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hist_text-digest       Saturday, April 29 2000       Volume 01 : Number 527



In this issue:

-       Re: MtMan-List: double edge forge
-       Re: MtMan-List: Building Flintlocks
-       Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners
-       Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners
-       Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
-       Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]
-       Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
-       Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
-       Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]
-       Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]
-       Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
-       Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs and TLR
-       Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]
-       Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
-       Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs and TLR
-       Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]
-       Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs and TLR
-       Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs
-       Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs and TLR
-       Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]
-       Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]
-       Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]
-       Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:18:39 -0400
From: "D Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: double edge forge

Gee guys... Shucks..<kicking dirt with me toe..>.<G>....
D

"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:24:59 EDT
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Building Flintlocks

Squinty54@aol.com writes:
> I have done some research and have developed some interest in 
>  the Pecotonica Long Rifle Company.  They produce several different guns 
one 
>  of which, the southern mountain rifle, has drawn my interest.  Has anyone 
> had  any experience with this particular company

Steve,
I never saw anyone answer your questions.  I'll give it a crack.  Pecatonica 
does NOT sell guns.  They sell component kits.  Their specialty is making 
gunstocks.  Their kits are beyond the scope of a new builder unless you have 
considerable woodworking and metal skills.  Their's is NOT the one to buy if 
you are making your first gun.

>   can you direct me to some 
>  place I could find a great shooting rifle?  I'm looking for something that 
>  would be found during the early 1800's (1810 to 1830).

Go the the homepage of the Muzzleloader Mailing list :
http://members.aol.com/illinewek
Others might want to bookmark the page.....this is it's new location.

Scroll down the the Sutlers and Craftsmen link.  both Jackie Brown and 
Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading make the kind of gun you are looking for.  
There are also several other links to excellent gunmakers.  The reason I 
mention these two, is because they will build you a gun "in the white"  
meaning it is all assembled.  All you have to do is stain the stock, apply a 
finish to the wood, and brown or blue the metal.  This way you get a quality 
built gun to which you can add your own personal touches.

Dave Kanger

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:39:46 -0600
From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners

Lanney, I am not a reenactor. I do these things because I have for years
been on a quest to become the best survivalist I can be. Not because I fear
Armageddon or anything, or fear that the government is out to enslave us and
those who would be free will have to run to the mountains, but because I
like it. I shot my first deer with a flintlock rifle (an original) over 50
years ago. At the time I was wearing moccasins of braintanned moose that my
great grandfather (an immigrant) had made. I study the history of the U.S.,
especially the colonial and fur trade times, to gain insight into the skills
and techniques those people used so that I may become better with survival
skills also. My college minor was in history, and I taught history as well
as English. I have an abiding interest in history for history's sake. My
personal library is large enough that it is a bit embarrassing. At least a
third of it is of history books. So I feel that although I am not a
reenactor, history is important to me so that I can learn. But learning does
not mean that as a buckskinner ( a term I use inadvisably and very loosely)
I need be concerned about the types of stitches used in my shirt, or the
amount of carbon in the steel of my blade. I do the best I can historically
when I go out, but my main concern is survival skills. Although reenactors
positions are not, of themselves, important to me, I give them all the room
they need. But when I hear inconsiderate or exclusive comments from any
faction or interest, I just consider that the person making them is
extremely narrow in their outlook and social skills. That's fine. They are
welcome to their exclusivity or lack of compassion or understanding. Just
not in my camp.
Bill C.
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From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, April 27, 2000 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners


Amen, Angela
Nothing loses the "essence" quite as much as having to stay home because
walking in moccasins is impossible without the modifications you need.  You
continue to do what you need to do and let the others have their opinions.
It amazes me that people can't separate comfort from necessity.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 1980 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners


> "Larry Huber" <shootsprairie@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>I've tried the double soles, the triple liners, the modern foam pads
> and I found that it was like wearing a pair of shoes that looked like
> moccasins.  It 'aint the same.  The essence is lost. <<
>
> Larry,
> It's great that you can get out often enough that you can walk properly in
> the woods with your moccasins. It really does bring you closer to nature.
I
> had that skill once, but have lost it because I haven't been able to keep
> in practice.
>
> I know that if I were to wear my moccasins with a single sole and a wool
> liner, I would be experiencing pain & discomfort which the Natives & fur
> traders did not. The extra layers on the bottom & inside of my moccasins
> make up for the thin soles on my feet, my lack of skill in walking, and
the
> unhistoric surfaces at some of the events which I regularly attend. Also,
I
> can't keep afford to replace my mocs when the soles wear out quickly due
to
> being worn on pavement or sharp gravel for a week.
>
> There's still a world of difference between my moccasins + extra sole +
Dr.
> Scholl's liners and the Vibram-soled walking shoes I ordinarily wear.
>
> Your humble & obedient servant,
> Angela Gottfred
>
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:55:02 EDT
From: Mtnman1449@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccasin liners

Yes!!!!, Bill.

Patrick J. Surrena
Jim Baker Party, The American Mountain Men, #1449
Colorado

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:55:46 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs

Hello in the camp This warm weather sure does feel good don't it. Back on the 
farm when I was a kid I'd kick off my shoes and be headin for the creek. My 
feet were a lot tougher then from not warein shoes much. As were the feet of 
our 18 and 19th century counter parts. If you go bare foot a lot or ware 
light mocs a lot your feet will Calais up. I use to be able to get by with 
one layer side seams but got tired of all the patchin and going threw three 
pare in a season. Then the 90lb jackhammer danced across my foot and a couple 
of years later I trys to fly, Cyots don't fly ya know. So I shattered my heel 
on the landin. After some cuttin screwin pinnin and some fusein the Doc 
called it good as new almost. Need less to say I have altered my side seem by 
adding layers of light cow hide to the out side and inside and covering it 
all with brain deer or elk the only one how know is my feet and all of you.
    First and for most the Army always says take care of your feet. Going out 
on a walk about in the mountains for a few days covering some ground you had 
better take care of your feet or you will pay. Believe me I know.
                                                        See ya on the trail
                                                         Crazy Cyot 

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Date: 28 Apr 00 09:19:15 EDT
From: Concho Smith <conchosmith@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]

"Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> wrote:
I didn't have the opportunity to meet Turtle Boyer, but I knew Brass Turt=
le. =

That man was a piece of work and I miss him.  I know he is holding court =
on
the other side every chance he gets.
Lanney Ratcliff
- -------------------------------------------------------
Lanney,
If you knew one, you knew both of them, get this pair on a canoe trip, at=
 an
event or just out for an evening was something you would always remember.=

Never a duel moment, usually one would come away sore from laughting at t=
he
experience. They'll both be missed.

Did you see some of the new toys on C&SM page, not you Larry. You got one=
 of
the shaving sets, didn't you Lanney ? Think I need one of them and a Thom=
as
Jefferson compass to find my way to Texas to see you boys.

Later
Concho


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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:49:15 -0600
From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs

Hey, Cyot, Got your envelope - thanks, but you overpaid. I'll settle up the
difference next time I see you.
Now I am going to 'fess up. I have a couple of pair of plains style mocs I
made. I've worn out a heap of them. But nowadays I usually stick a pair of
them in my pack for use around camp. While doing research over the years,
especially in the southwest, I came to believe that the southwest Dyer moc
(that's the one that laces up the front) is as close to what came out of
that area as most can get. There is more to it than that but I'm not listing
it - much to long - Anyway, that's what I wear on the trail, afoot or
horseback. They have never let me down, and that is one of my prime
requisites. I'm out there to survive using historical skills and equipment.
I believe that moc is of a historical style and is available today.
On another idea, what is the use of learning to use something historical to
survive on or with, if it ain't gonna be available in a survival situation?
But I digress. . . .
- -----Original Message-----
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com <GazeingCyot@cs.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs


>Hello in the camp This warm weather sure does feel good don't it. Back on
the
>farm when I was a kid I'd kick off my shoes and be headin for the creek. My
>feet were a lot tougher then from not warein shoes much. As were the feet
of
>our 18 and 19th century counter parts. If you go bare foot a lot or ware
>light mocs a lot your feet will Calais up. I use to be able to get by with
>one layer side seams but got tired of all the patchin and going threw three
>pare in a season. Then the 90lb jackhammer danced across my foot and a
couple
>of years later I trys to fly, Cyots don't fly ya know. So I shattered my
heel
>on the landin. After some cuttin screwin pinnin and some fusein the Doc
>called it good as new almost. Need less to say I have altered my side seem
by
>adding layers of light cow hide to the out side and inside and covering it
>all with brain deer or elk the only one how know is my feet and all of you.
>    First and for most the Army always says take care of your feet. Going
out
>on a walk about in the mountains for a few days covering some ground you
had
>better take care of your feet or you will pay. Believe me I know.
>                                                        See ya on the trail
>                                                         Crazy Cyot
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:04:41 -0600
From: <conner1@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs

Bill Cunningham wrote:

> Now I am going to 'fess up. I have a couple of pair of plains style mocs I
> made. I've worn out a heap of them. But nowadays I usually stick a pair of
> them in my pack for use around camp. While doing research over the years,
> especially in the southwest, I came to believe that the southwest Dyer moc
> (that's the one that laces up the front) is as close to what came out of that
> area as most can get. There is more to it than that but I'm not listing it -
> much to long - Anyway, that's what I wear on the trail, afoot or horseback.
> They have never let me down, and that is one of my prime
> requisites..............

Bill,
Charley  Hanson had a sketch of a French Marine moc in his office from a friend
that ran one of the Canadian museums (can't remember which one now), anyway the
moc can be duplicated using one of Dyers old style tie behind mocs (one's like
we have all had). If you want I can send you a copy of that sketch for the
Tomahawk & Long Rifle.

What is needed to change from the Dyer pattern is to cut down that wide strap
that goes around the foot into a narrow one inch band that ties with just a
couple of holes (leave your thong long enough to make a loop to hang them up),
this is a fast an easy modification to make a good pair of footwear more correct
for period use, not perfect but closer than in original form.

The best part, like you say Dyer's are hard to beat when traveling or just
working in and around camp, so why not make them fit the period. Showed Carl
Dyer at an event years ago - the sketch Hanson had and he went off the deep end
about f.... up his mocs.

Anymore on water trips (canoe, flat boat or bateau) I wear them in and out of
the water, too much tin, metal and glass to take a chance of getting cut -
aren't some camper's and boater's wonderful !

Later
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:06:58 -0600
From: <conner1@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]

Concho Smith wrote:

> Did you see some of the new toys on C&SM page, not you Larry. You got one of the shaving
> sets, didn't you Lanney ? Think I need one of them and a Thomas Jefferson compass to find my
> way to Texas to see you boys.
>
> Later
> Concho

Get your money out - paper or plastic Concho.    $$$$$$$$$$
Buck




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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:34:23 -0400
From: "D Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]

Concho,

 I fell in heat with that Jefferson Compass as well., but blew my wad on
corn & rice.. Mebby later.... Even told my better half about it, hinting
heavily as a b.d. gift. seein's how I am gunna be 40 soon, I thought I was
worth it! She asked what direction my old compass pointed when I looked at
it, I responded with
 "North, most of the time".. She said it wasn't broke and I don't need a new
compass....<G>

D
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
   http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:34:09 -0600
From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs

Thanks, Buck. Why not send that sketch along. I'm sure there are plenty
who'd be interested. I never owned a pair of those. The ones I get are the
ones that lace up the front and whose likeness can be found in old paintings
and even the occasional museum.  Hanson's books have near copies as well.
They are brutes for taking punishment, are made by several companies besides
Dyers. And the truth is, I see many people wearing them - they just don't
talk about them. I had a pair made by Carl Dyer's dad back when they were
making them for LL Bean. But they finally wore out. Oh well. .  .
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From: conner1@uswest.net <conner1@uswest.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs


>Bill Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Now I am going to 'fess up. I have a couple of pair of plains style mocs
I
>> made. I've worn out a heap of them. But nowadays I usually stick a pair
of
>> them in my pack for use around camp. While doing research over the years,
>> especially in the southwest, I came to believe that the southwest Dyer
moc
>> (that's the one that laces up the front) is as close to what came out of
that
>> area as most can get. There is more to it than that but I'm not listing
it -
>> much to long - Anyway, that's what I wear on the trail, afoot or
horseback.
>> They have never let me down, and that is one of my prime
>> requisites..............
>
>Bill,
>Charley  Hanson had a sketch of a French Marine moc in his office from a
friend
>that ran one of the Canadian museums (can't remember which one now), anyway
the
>moc can be duplicated using one of Dyers old style tie behind mocs (one's
like
>we have all had). If you want I can send you a copy of that sketch for the
>Tomahawk & Long Rifle.
>
>What is needed to change from the Dyer pattern is to cut down that wide
strap
>that goes around the foot into a narrow one inch band that ties with just a
>couple of holes (leave your thong long enough to make a loop to hang them
up),
>this is a fast an easy modification to make a good pair of footwear more
correct
>for period use, not perfect but closer than in original form.
>
>The best part, like you say Dyer's are hard to beat when traveling or just
>working in and around camp, so why not make them fit the period. Showed
Carl
>Dyer at an event years ago - the sketch Hanson had and he went off the deep
end
>about f.... up his mocs.
>
>Anymore on water trips (canoe, flat boat or bateau) I wear them in and out
of
>the water, too much tin, metal and glass to take a chance of getting cut -
>aren't some camper's and boater's wonderful !
>
>Later
>Buck Conner
>
>
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:05:33 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs and TLR

Glad it got through to ya Bill put the extra in the kitty for the TLC. Jill 
really likes her gift you sent. Really enjoyed this Issue keep up the good 
work. I think a lot of people could benefit by reading and taking to heart 
Spoons article. I have been involved in clean ups in national forest camp 
grounds and after some big Rendezvous and even after a couple of AMM 
nationals. So I have seen how people on a hole leave their camps. The general 
public are pigs and don't have clue how to leave a camp. Rendezvous are lot 
better and on the most part do good job but there are some who are really 
lacking. The AMM camps wear by far the best on a hole but still there are 
some Brothers out there that could gain by his article. I always leave my 
camp as if Blackout are on my hide trail leave as little sign as possible. 
Spoons I would die before I would do your laundry.
  On mochas I like the feal of brain tan on my feet even if I have to beef up 
the souls. The side seem fit my out fit and wear the most common out here in 
my area. So that is what I use. But no matter what type of moc system you be 
sure they work for you before going out on any long jaunts in the wilderness 
for without a horse or feet your just gone beaver.
                                 See ya on the trail
                                  Crazy Cyot. 

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:05:11 -0600
From: <conner1@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]

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D Miles wrote:

> Concho,
>
>  I fell in heat with that Jefferson Compass as well., but blew my wad on
> corn & rice.. Mebby later.... Even told my better half about it, hinting
> heavily as a b.d. gift. seein's how I am gunna be 40 soon, I thought I was
> worth it! She asked what direction my old compass pointed when I looked at
> it, I responded with
>  "North, most of the time".. She said it wasn't broke and I don't need a new
> compass....<G>
> D

finishing breaking it, is this hard.





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<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Concho,
<p>&nbsp;I fell in heat with that Jefferson Compass as well., but blew
my wad on
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hinting
<br>heavily as a b.d. gift. seein's how I am gunna be 40 soon, I thought
I was
<br>worth it! She asked what direction my old compass pointed when I looked
at
<br>it, I responded with
<br>&nbsp;"North, most of the time".. She said it wasn't broke and I don't
need a new
<br>compass....&lt;G>
<br><a href="http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html">D</a></blockquote>
finishing breaking it, is this hard.
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:08:43 -0600
From: <conner1@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs

Bill Cunningham wrote:

> Thanks, Buck. Why not send that sketch along. I'm sure there are plenty
> who'd be interested. I never owned a pair of those. The ones I get are the
> ones that lace up the front and whose likeness can be found in old paintings
> and even the occasional museum.  Hanson's books have near copies as well.
> They are brutes for taking punishment, are made by several companies besides
> Dyers. And the truth is, I see many people wearing them - they just don't
> talk about them. I had a pair made by Carl Dyer's dad back when they were
> making them for LL Bean. But they finally wore out. Oh well. .  .

me too, used to work with a guy that grew up with Carl and worked with Carl and
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:21:35 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs and TLR

Sorry about that some times this spell check gets away from me that's TLR not 
TLC blackfeet not blackout mocs not mochas 
                                    Crazy

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:25:29 -0400
From: "D Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]

B. Conner Wrote:
finishing breaking it, is this hard.

Buck
>>Hmm, good idea, but I am afeared she may see thru this ploy, as I have had
the compasss for 15 yrs and all of the sudden it "broke" soon after I found
something I fancy... Acourse, considering my propensity to flipping my canoe
in fast, deep water, it may "fall" outta my bag....<G>
D







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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:52:43 -0600
From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs and TLR

True, true, true, Cyot. Sure hope to see you guys this summer. The Poison
River Party is at the top of my list.
Bill
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From: GazeingCyot@cs.com <GazeingCyot@cs.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Friday, April 28, 2000 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs and TLR


>Glad it got through to ya Bill put the extra in the kitty for the TLC. Jill
>really likes her gift you sent. Really enjoyed this Issue keep up the good
>work. I think a lot of people could benefit by reading and taking to heart
>Spoons article. I have been involved in clean ups in national forest camp
>grounds and after some big Rendezvous and even after a couple of AMM
>nationals. So I have seen how people on a hole leave their camps. The
general
>public are pigs and don't have clue how to leave a camp. Rendezvous are lot
>better and on the most part do good job but there are some who are really
>lacking. The AMM camps wear by far the best on a hole but still there are
>some Brothers out there that could gain by his article. I always leave my
>camp as if Blackout are on my hide trail leave as little sign as possible.
>Spoons I would die before I would do your laundry.
>  On mochas I like the feal of brain tan on my feet even if I have to beef
up
>the souls. The side seem fit my out fit and wear the most common out here
in
>my area. So that is what I use. But no matter what type of moc system you
be
>sure they work for you before going out on any long jaunts in the
wilderness
>for without a horse or feet your just gone beaver.
>                                 See ya on the trail
>                                  Crazy Cyot.
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:53:45 -0600
From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs

It's a small, small world, ain't it?
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>Bill Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Buck. Why not send that sketch along. I'm sure there are plenty
>> who'd be interested. I never owned a pair of those. The ones I get are
the
>> ones that lace up the front and whose likeness can be found in old
paintings
>> and even the occasional museum.  Hanson's books have near copies as well.
>> They are brutes for taking punishment, are made by several companies
besides
>> Dyers. And the truth is, I see many people wearing them - they just don't
>> talk about them. I had a pair made by Carl Dyer's dad back when they were
>> making them for LL Bean. But they finally wore out. Oh well. .  .
>
>me too, used to work with a guy that grew up with Carl and worked with Carl
and
>his dad in learning the business when still in Mass.
>
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:54:15 -0600
From: bcunningham@gwe.net (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs and TLR

I knew what you meant.
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Date: Friday, April 28, 2000 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Warm weather Mocs and TLR


>Sorry about that some times this spell check gets away from me that's TLR
not
>TLC blackfeet not blackout mocs not mochas
>                                    Crazy
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:31:39 -0400
From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]

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Dennis, maybe she wanted you to go North, so I could have the cute and =
sweet Gwen. he he he GGG


John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
Longhunter
Mountainman
southwest  Ohio                                              =20
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    D

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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:59:57 -0400
From: "D Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]

J Hunt Wrote:

Dennis, maybe she wanted you to go North, so I could have the cute and sweet
Gwen. he he he GGG

>>>John,
 What 'cha gots to trade??... Robe and rifle-gun does not go with deal..
D



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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:30:00 -0400
From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]

>
> Dennis, maybe she wanted you to go North, so I could have the cute and
sweet
> Gwen. he he he GGG
>
> >>>John,
>  What 'cha gots to trade??... Robe and rifle-gun does not go with deal..
> D
>
>Dennis, won`t need robe as she is young, got plenty guns. Will trade, trade
gun, handmade packbasket, one hudson bay blankie, two gourd canteens, and a
rusty truck that don`t run. Truck could look good setting in back yard, oh
yes truck has shell.

I feel this is a fair trade for a young woman who has all of her teeth
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Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:39:43 -0600
From: <conner1@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Lewis and Clark beads]]

D Miles wrote:

> J Hunt Wrote:
>
> Dennis, maybe she wanted you to go North, so I could have the cute and sweet
> Gwen. he he he GGG
>
> >>>John,
>  What 'cha gots to trade??... Robe and rifle-gun does not go with deal..
> D
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keep the porringer too D.



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