mnichols1@cinci.rr.com<= /DIV> - ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01BFCAD2.8D1575C0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:08:56 -0400 From: Darla Subject: MtMan-List: Re:Virus The name of the Virus being passed on the list is "KAK". It's not too bad, but can be an annoyance. Look on your C drive. If you have a file called C/Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\kak.hta, delete it. That will take care of your system problems, but I'm not too sure how to keep in from spreading. (Lanney, you definitely have it -- it's at the end of your most recent message) Darla Sublette List Lurker, Geek, and Mountain-person wanna-be (gotta be, with this name) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:08:31 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Virus Hallo the list: You should all be aware that virus scanners (McAfee, Norton, Dr. Solomon, etc) do NOT do well in intercepting 'worms' or 'trojan horse' type infections. Check out a website and program called TDS-2, available at www.diamondcs.com.au. It is a 'script scanner' which does have a very high chance of catching these others, and it's designed to be used in conjunction with an 'anti-virus' program. I would still appreciate it if someone would let me know which e-mail contained the original instance of this 'kak' virus, and possible even send it back to me so that i can put a couple of programs to the test.... I have TDS set on automatic, and it caught and killed it before I was even aware it had been sent. Also, was it a link included in the mail, or an attachment that had to be downloaded or what? Thanks. Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:55:55 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil Ole, Sounds reasonable to me. Capt. L - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ole B. Jensen" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 5:38 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil > Capt, > It seems to me that if I were back in those day's I would trade for plews > more than trap for them, having the local indians do the work wrather then > having to wade into a frozen stream myself. As most of the traders know, it > is hard to antisipate what will sell so you bring a lot of diferent items. > The question a while back was, why haul cast iron cooking gear to the > mountains? > To trade and to use, then use the animals that hauled the trade goods in to > haul the pelts out. > Ole # 718 > ---------- > >From: "Roger Lahti" > >To: > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil > >Date: Tue, May 30, 2000, 8:02 PM > > > > >Ole, > > > >OK pard, got ya! Way it was worded I was thinking otherwise. I see the logic > >in your response below and don't have much trouble seeing that sort of thing > >being done either. Now back to our regularly scheduled program. I > >remain..... > > > >YMOS > >Capt. Lahti' > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ole B. Jensen" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 5:52 PM > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil > > > > > >> Capt" > >> Not Even! > >> Just making a statement as to what they would and could have hauled in on > >> horse back or by cart. > >> An anvil would weigh from 60 to 150 pounds and there are journals that > >> memtion them being hauled into the mountain's. On that note they could > >have > >> hauled 20 pots made of cast iron to equal one 120 pound anvil. It's > >amazing > >> to me what they hauled in. > >> If I were traping and trading for beaver I would haul in all sorts of > >goods > >> for trade including cast iron. > >> Ole # 718 > >> ---------- > >> >From: "Roger Lahti" > >> >To: > >> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil > >> >Date: Tue, May 30, 2000, 6:14 PM > >> > > >> > >> >Ole, > >> > > >> >Mind if I wonder a bit about the thought process here a little? I > >> >presume that you are suggesting the idea that the anvil was made into > >cast > >> >iron pots? > >> > > >> >>From what little I know about cast iron foundry work, it is a very > >> >specialized process that requires not only special equipment in the form > >of > >> >a smelter but also just the right fuels to get the metal to melt and > >pour, > >> >etc. not to mention the special sands and molds that would be required. > >> > > >> >I would respectfully submit that such would not have been even remotely > >> >possible anywhere west of the Great River during that time. Only > >supposition > >> >on my part but I think that is correct. I remain..... > >> > > >> >YMOS > >> >Capt. Lahti' > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "Ole B. Jensen" > >> >To: > >> >Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:41 PM > >> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil > >> > > >> > > >> >> Jerry, > >> >> Just came back from Cache Valley Rendezvous (Park and Drop) it was held > >up > >> >> Black Smiths Fork south east of Logan Utah (Willow Valley) Why is it > >> >called > >> >> Black Smiths Fork? > >> >> 120 lb Anvil= 20 Cast Iron pots/keatles ? ya think, maybe > >> >> Ole # 718 > >> >> ---------- > >> >> >From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow > >> >> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > >> >> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate > >> >> >Date: Sat, May 27, 2000, 10:23 PM > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >Well looks like you guys want to get into the Dutch Oven authenticity > >> >stuff > >> >> >again. Maybe you should think about logic also. > >> >> > > >> >> >I've said this before (and let me make it clear that this is ONLY my > >> >> >opinion) but what would an average mountaineer have carried? A Dutch > >> >Oven, > >> >> >a brazier or any other kind of heavy shit like that? Well if I were > >> >there > >> >> >back then, that would be the last thing I would carry with me. Sure > >some > >> >of > >> >> >it was out there and available during the time period, but so was a > >> >> >submarine, hot air balloon and a bunch of other stuff that would not > >be > >> >> >appropriate in the mountains. > >> >> > > >> >> >My view is, just because you can document something only proves it was > >> >> >there, not that it was common. I can document a lot of stuff that > >> >William > >> >> >Drummond Stewart took to Rendezvous in 1837. Does it mean if everyone > >> >wants > >> >> >to have something at Rendezvous that he brought, which was uncommon, > >it > >> >> >would be OK? Only if you think it would be OK for half the people at > >> >> >Rendezvous to portray Stewart. > >> >> > > >> >> >I cook with stuff as simple as possible. That means with sticks over > >the > >> >> >fire, a small tin boiler and maybe a small folding steel frying pan. > >I > >> >also > >> >> >bring as little as possible. I've learned that less is more and my ho > >rse > >> >> >agrees. > >> >> > > >> >> >Just my 2 cents. > >> >> > > >> >> >Best Regards, > >> >> > > >> >> >Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488 > >> >> > >> > >>>_________________________________________________________________________ _ > >_ > >> >_____ > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >>No Sir, > >> >> >> > >> >> >>The facts have already been established once and for all by the Fort > >> >Union > >> >> >>Trading Post. Cast iron artifacts of both types were present in the > >> >> >>mountain man period. > >> >> >>Walt > >> >> >>Park City, Montana > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> You guys aren't really serious about starting round > >> >> >>> two of the dutch oven debacle, are you??? > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Tom > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >>---------------------- > >> >> >>hist_text list info: > >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >---------------------- > >> >> >hist_text list info: > >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> ---------------------- > >> >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >---------------------- > >> >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >> > > >> > >> ---------------------- > >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >> > > > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:30:49 -0700 From: hail.eris@gte.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Virus 0100,0100,0100On 31 May 00, at 11:08, LivingInThePast@aol.com wrote: 7F00,0000,0000> TDS set on automatic, and it caught and killed it before I was even aware it > had been sent. Also, was it a link included in the mail, or an attachment > that had to be downloaded or what? Thanks. Barney Another MS integrated product problem. I use a non-MS mail reader, and did not have any such problems with scripts infecting me. I didn't even notice them, and would have not been aware there was a problem if not for the warnings on the list. Try http://www.pegasus.usa.com/ for a good non-MS mailer. Kristopher K. Barrett - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:14:43 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:Virus - --=====================_81528906==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed On my current email machine, I'm running Win98, Norton & Eudora. I haven't seen the first sign of the virus you folks are talking about. I have kept my virus definition files fairly up-to-date. My Norton logs don't indicate it ever entered my systems. I can find nor see any trace of it. I have noted all (except Darla) who have it -- seem to be running MS Outlook Express 5.0 as their mail client. Maybe this is another present from Mr. Bill? Ohhh, thanks again Mr. Bill! Any wonder why I'm switching to Linux as we speak? John... At 09:08 AM 5/31/00 -0400, you wrote: >The name of the Virus being passed on the list is "KAK". > It's not too bad, but can be an annoyance. Look on >your C drive. If you have a file called >C/Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\kak.hta, delete >it. That will take care of your system problems, but >I'm not too sure how to keep in from spreading. >(Lanney, you definitely have it -- it's at the end of >your most recent message) > >Darla Sublette >List Lurker, Geek, and >Mountain-person wanna-be (gotta be, with this name) > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ___________________________________ If Microsoft was plumbing -- it wouldn't pass code. - --=====================_81528906==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" On my current email machine, I'm running Win98, Norton & Eudora. I haven't seen the first sign of the virus you folks are talking about. I have kept my virus definition files fairly up-to-date. My Norton logs don't indicate it ever entered my systems. I can find nor see any trace of it.

I have noted all (except Darla) who have it -- seem to be running MS Outlook Express 5.0 as their mail client. Maybe this is another present from Mr. Bill? Ohhh, thanks again Mr. Bill!

Any wonder why I'm switching to Linux as we speak?

John...

At 09:08 AM 5/31/00 -0400, you wrote:

The name of the Virus being passed on the list is "KAK".
It's not too bad, but can be an annoyance. Look on
your C drive. If you have a file called
C/Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup\kak.hta, delete
it. That will take care of your system problems, but
I'm not too sure how to keep in from spreading.
(Lanney, you definitely have it -- it's at the end of
your most recent message)

Darla Sublette
List Lurker, Geek, and
Mountain-person wanna-be (gotta be, with this name)

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- --=====================_81528906==_.ALT-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:50:08 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:Virus This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFCB31.0AA53B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are right... the KAK.HTA virus seems to be written for MS Emailers = only...=20 Ad Miller On my current email machine, I'm running Win98, Norton & Eudora. I = haven't seen the first sign of the virus you folks are talking about. I = have kept my virus definition files fairly up-to-date. My Norton logs = don't indicate it ever entered my systems. I can find nor see any trace = of it. I have noted all (except Darla) who have it -- seem to be running MS = Outlook Express 5.0 as their mail client. Maybe this is another present = from Mr. Bill? Ohhh, thanks again Mr. Bill! =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFCB31.0AA53B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You are right... the KAK.HTA virus = seems to be=20 written for MS Emailers only...

Ad Miller

On my current email machine, I'm running Win98, = Norton &=20 Eudora. I haven't seen the first sign of the virus you folks are = talking=20 about. I have kept my virus definition files fairly = up-to-date. My=20 Norton logs don't indicate it ever entered my systems. I can = find nor=20 see any trace of it.

I have noted all (except Darla) who have = it =20 -- seem to be running MS Outlook Express 5.0 as their mail = client. Maybe=20 this is another present from Mr. Bill? Ohhh, thanks again Mr.=20 Bill!

- ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFCB31.0AA53B20-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:05:50 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil One Question way don't any of these Dutch Ovens show up on any trade lists? Who in there right mind would trade for a heavy cast iron pot when a tin, copper or sheet metal pot would do the same job? I can't remember herrin of or reading of any Indians having a Dutch Oven cook off. Just because you want it to be, does not make it so. Maybe in a fort, but out in the mountains I think not. Coverin ground and packin light Crazy Cyot - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:03:50 -0400 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:Virus John Kramer wrote: > > On my current email machine, I'm running Win98, Norton & Eudora. I > haven't seen the first sign of the virus you folks are talking about. > I have kept my virus definition files fairly up-to-date. My Norton > logs don't indicate it ever entered my systems. I can find nor see > any trace of it. > > I have noted all (except Darla) who have it -- seem to be running MS > Outlook Express 5.0 as their mail client. Maybe this is another > present from Mr. Bill? Ohhh, thanks again Mr. Bill! > > Any wonder why I'm switching to Linux as we speak? [snip] Quite right! ANYTHING from MickySoft is full of gaping holes. 'Bad design followed by bad code. Linux can be broken into, but IF you take proper measures to secure it, you'll be fine, and you'll find out for the first time what "stable" means. :) SuSE has the best distribution, IMHO, and is not only my choice for here at home, but for my dept. at Cornell Univ., where I'm a Systems Admin. If you have any questions, contact me off list. Best, Fred - -- It said "Needs Windows 98 or better". So I installed Linux... - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:04:19 -0600 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil Crazy, Packing a cannon, lead powder keg's, kegs of grain alcohol, glass bead's is far from light. The way we use horses and mules to day is light, the way they used them back then was "hauling freight" (Teamster's) Etc. I will repeat what I said a long time ago, I would not bring a "Dutch Oven on a primitive horse trip today". Now think of this, if there is evidence of cast Iron pots at Bent's fort, Fort Union, Astoria, and there were but a handfull of white women, Who cooked in those pots? The trapers? or was in Indian women?. As it was then it is now, it may not be practical but I have seen many women that have to keep up with there neighbor. As for trade lists I don't know but more information comes forword every year. Your Humble Servant. Ole #718 - ---------- >From: GazeingCyot@cs.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil >Date: Wed, May 31, 2000, 6:05 PM > >One Question way don't any of these Dutch Ovens show up on any trade lists? >Who in there right mind would trade for a heavy cast iron pot when a tin, >copper or sheet metal pot would do the same job? I can't remember herrin of >or reading of any Indians having a Dutch Oven cook off. Just because you want >it to be, does not make it so. Maybe in a fort, but out in the mountains I >think not. > Coverin ground and packin light > Crazy Cyot > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:27:39 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:00:34 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil Sorry about that, it got plum away before I even got started. Ole my Friend you talked of a trader so lets look at it from a traders point of view. Besides buying the goods in St. Louis the biggest expanse he had was getting his goods to the Mountains. Weight meant money why would you take a few cast iron pots when for the same amount of weight you could take a hole lot of lighter weight pots and have more trade goods to sale. There for making more off your trade goods. The Indian women had to do all the packing and what advantage did the cast Iron pot offer her for type of cooking she did? I don't think a trader could take fast enough to talk her in to one my self. Crazy Cyot - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 07:38:42 -0600 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil Cracy, We know by the drawing's made by Catlin and Miller that Cauldrons were used. But remember St Louis was not the only source of supply, American fur at fort union was supplied by steam boat. Astoria was supplied by ship and it would depend on how close you lived around one of those forts and who you were alligned with. I agree that it makes no sence and you could haul a lot more tin,steel but like that bead's cost money and quils are free. Back in 1983 I worked in the Alaska for 6 months, I was at a place called Port Heiden. The natives that live there are a mix of Aliute and Norwigan fishermen (Half Breeds) they are verry insecure as they are neither white nor Indian. One of the young men had made a lot of money fishing for Salmon and purchased a new Ford 3/4 ton 4-wheel drive truck, the truck cost about 26000.00 to buy and 6000.00 to have flown out to the village. Now here is the catch, Port Heiden has 3 miles of road, no mountains and serounded by wetlands. Funny thing there were about 4 of these new truck's in the village. All dressed up but no place to go. I don't know why, but vanity will make people do strange things. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: GazeingCyot@cs.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil >Date: Wed, May 31, 2000, 10:00 PM > >Sorry about that, it got plum away before I even got started. Ole my Friend >you talked of a trader so lets look at it from a traders point of view. >Besides buying the goods in St. Louis the biggest expanse he had was getting >his goods to the Mountains. Weight meant money why would you take a few cast >iron pots when for the same amount of weight you could take a hole lot of >lighter weight pots and have more trade goods to sale. There for making more >off your trade goods. The Indian women had to do all the packing and what >advantage did the cast Iron pot offer her for type of cooking she did? I >don't think a trader could take fast enough to talk her in to one my self. > Crazy Cyot > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 07:37:15 -0700 From: hail.eris@gte.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil On 31 May 00, at 21:04, Ole B. Jensen wrote: > Packing a cannon, lead powder keg's, kegs of grain alcohol, glass bead's is > far from light. > long time ago, I would not bring a "Dutch Oven on a primitive horse trip > today". Now think of this, if there is evidence of cast Iron pots at Bent's > fort, Fort Union, Astoria, and there were but a handfull of white women, Who I think we may be confusing trade goods with gear carried by trappers. I guess if you are re-enacting, it all depends on your persona. A trader would likely be carrying anything, including the kitchen sink. Someone living in a fort or a lodge in a village would be justified in packing almost as much stuff. A trapper would lose potential profit for each pack animal not carrying either consumables or pelts. I would not be surprised if a lone trapper's personal goods simply rode on the same horse he was on. A company of trappers would be able to split the load for more comfort ( i.e., those two carry half the cook gear each, and the rest of us lug pieces of the tents, ect....), but that is also dependent your persona. Kristopher K. Barrett - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 10:33:22 -0500 From: jc60714@navix.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil Washtahay- At 06:38 AM 5/31/00 -0600, you wrote: >It seems to me that if I were back in those day's I would trade for plews >more than trap for them, having the local indians do the work wrather then >having to wade into a frozen stream myself. The reality of the situation was that the natives were aware of the trade opportunities, and frequently found that raiding--for goods or for items sought in trade-- was more productive than trapping. A few references to be considered on this subject are "The Cheyenne in Plains Indian Trade Relations 1795-1840" by Joseph Jablow (get the Bison Press edition instead of the original, its about $8 vs around $50), "Counting coup and Cutting Horses--Intertribal Warfare on the Northern Great Plains 1738-1889" by Anthony McGinnis, and "Changing Military Patterns of the Great Plains Indians" by Frank Raymond Secoy. I can get ISBN numbers if anyone wants. >As most of the traders know, it >is hard to antisipate what will sell so you bring a lot of diferent items. But the lists of trade goods taken to the mountains, the forts, and the trading posts tell us what was sought by the buyers. For a later discussion of this topic you might look at "Metal weapons, tools, and ornaments of the Teton Dakota Indians" by James Austin Hanson. I'm curious, and am hoping someone will have some knowledge on this: what was the US military using in the west during the period in question? I've seen sheet iron pots with US markings that date from the 1860s, but don't know what was in use earlier. Accounts of the Revolutionary War discuss the "heavy" pots and seem to indicate cast iron, but I have no idea what was used in between. So far, I haven't found records of the governement purchasing cast iron for the military but I think it likely that I haven't yet found the right foundry records. LongWalker c. du B. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jun 00 12:15:38 EDT From: Concho Smith Subject: Re: [MtMan-List: gone under???] Ok, here is something. I have read numerous references to beaver tail being a "delicacy" or a "dainty" or some such. Until I know from first hand experience I will re= main skeptical about how tasty beaver tail is. Seems like a beaver filet or a= drumstick would be a more likely meal. I would appreciate some first han= d info. Lanney Ratcliff - ------------------------------------------------- Lanney, =46rom Buck's page "Meat's Meat" article at: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/edibles.htm#meat A few folks we have read about had some comments about beaver. - --------------------------------------------------------- Osborn Russell reported that "beaver feeding on wild parsnips were poison= ous and those that ate of the meat, within a few hours became sick at the sto= mach and the whole system became cramped..." Rev. Samuel Parker said "that while flesh of the beaver was usable, the f= ore part is of a land animal while the hind part is of the taste of fish like= =2E.." - --------------------------------------------------------- I'm sure there's more than these two that made mention of the animal when= prepared for the dinner table. Concho. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:33:44 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: [MtMan-List: gone under???] Beaver liver is GREAT!!! D - ----- Original Message ----- From: Concho Smith To: Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [MtMan-List: gone under???] - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 15:19:33 -0600 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil Kristopher, Most trappers traveled in a group however there were some that traveled alone due to circumstance. Having only one horse would make traping un proffitable, how do you get your hides out? walk and lead the horse with the plews on it's back?. They had a lot of pack animals with them because they had to. Trapers both traded and traped unless they were company hands YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: hail.eris@gte.net >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Great Dutch Oven Debate/Anvil >Date: Thu, Jun 1, 2000, 8:37 AM > >On 31 May 00, at 21:04, Ole B. Jensen wrote: >> Packing a cannon, lead powder keg's, kegs of grain alcohol, glass bead's is >> far from light. > >> long time ago, I would not bring a "Dutch Oven on a primitive horse trip >> today". Now think of this, if there is evidence of cast Iron pots at Bent's >> fort, Fort Union, Astoria, and there were but a handfull of white women, Who > >I think we may be confusing trade goods with gear carried by >trappers. I guess if you are re-enacting, it all depends on your >persona. A trader would likely be carrying anything, including the >kitchen sink. Someone living in a fort or a lodge in a village would >be justified in packing almost as much stuff. A trapper would lose >potential profit for each pack animal not carrying either >consumables or pelts. > >I would not be surprised if a lone trapper's personal goods simply >rode on the same horse he was on. A company of trappers would >be able to split the load for more comfort ( i.e., those two carry half >the cook gear each, and the rest of us lug pieces of the tents, >ect....), but that is also dependent your persona. > >Kristopher K. 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