From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #571 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, June 5 2000 Volume 01 : Number 571 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: VIRUS--thanks for help -       Re: MtMan-List: VIRUS--thanks for help -       MtMan-List: Walnut dye? -       MtMan-List: canteens -       MtMan-List: Re: mordant for walnut hulls -       Re: MtMan-List: VIRUS--thanks for help -       Re: MtMan-List: more info- Beaver in Arizona -       Re: MtMan-List: VIRUS--thanks for help -       Fw: MtMan-List: VIRUS--thanks for help -       Re: Fw: MtMan-List: VIRUS--thanks for help -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Wyoming State Museum Discovery Trunk -       RE: MtMan-List: more info- Beaver in Arizona -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Wyoming State Museum Discovery Trunk -       Re: MtMan-List: Asphaltum Update -       Re: [Re: [MtMan-List: gone under???]] -       RE: [Re: [MtMan-List: gone under???]] -       MtMan-List: Bean Rifle -       Re: MtMan-List: Asphaltum Update ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:34:05 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: VIRUS--thanks for help > List members, I got the monday nite virus. Not being very literate on > computers I was sunk. > I urge all to stay up dated on your virus program. I didn`t and got caught > with the virus. I now have an up to date Norton program. It simply boggles my mind that folks get caught with these viruses, yet folks whom I know have been on the internet for some time still seem to get caught. I was accused by one listmember on this list, that if I am so smart about computers, then why don't I try to teach everyone else how to use them. We can, of course, see the fallacy in that statement. My advice in the past seems to have fallen on deaf ears, yet I will try once again. Most of you never take the time to configure your email program. You just load it up and accept the default settings. This is obvious in your postings, because you send messages to the list with colored backgrounds, html attachments, and a variety of other arcane settings which serve no useful purpose and just waste bandwidth, both of the reader and the storage space on the server. Open your email program................. Somewhere in the header bar is a choice called options. Go into it and it to "plain text" Turn off all the other choices including html, text/multipart, colored backgrounds, and all the other choices. There is a choice for "quoting back the entire message." Turn it off too. That will eliminate all the postings which contain the previous 5 messages that everyone else quoted. When you answer a posting, hold your left mouse button down and pass it over a sentence or two, which illustrate what you are posting to. Release the button. That block of text should be highlighted. If you are using MS, then you can click the right mouse button. A screen will pop up. Choose copy. Hit reply and you will get a blank message with the proper subject header. Then hit your right mouse button again. The popup menu will appear again. This time choose "paste." The lines which you want to quote will appear in your message. You can then type in your response and send it. If you are using another email program, then you can do the same thing, however, you must click on the "edit" button in the header bar. You should get the same options. This will result in a simple message to the list, with a couple of quoted lines, and your reply. Using the same left mouse button to highlight text, you can hit the backspace arrow. This will erase all the highlighted text. There are many ways to accomplish the same task. Now, somewhere in the that options menu is also a choice for automatically downloading attachments, or to open them only when you choose to. Turn off the automatic selection. This is where you receive the viruses on your computer. You CAN NOT receive a virus unless you download the attachment which contains it. NEVER download any attachment which you have NOT specifically requested from the sender. ALL viruses come as attachments. This may change in the future, but it is a fact at this point in time. If you receive an email with an attachment that you did not request, just delete it. I have been on the internet ever since correspondence was done by dial up bulletin boards. I ran one back in the 80's. I am listowner of two mailing lists like this one....one has 800 members and one has 150 members. I DO NOT nor have I ever used any type of virus program. They are not necessary unless you make it a habit of downloading attachments. I have never been infected, and I have had email addresses since AOL on had 25K subscribers, as well as several other ISP's. There is nothing that anyone can teach you about computers that an hour or two of clicking the various choices in your program, and reading what the choices are and what they do, won't accomplish. 99% of all the options and choices are self-evident. We spend hours of our valuable time doing research and passing on our knowledge using this electronic medium, yet we fail to even spent a few hours to learn how to use it to communicate effectively. Not doing so denigrates the efforts of all who do take the time to do so. To become a member of the AMM, you must meet certain requirements which show you have the basic skills. If you are a computer pilgrim, then make the same effort to acquire the basic skills required to communicate with others who have done so. No one has to teach them to you. They are there waiting for you to discover them. You only have to "want' to do it. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:22:11 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: VIRUS--thanks for help Dave Klanger wrote. "It simply boggles my mind that folks get caught with these viruses, yet = folks=20 whom I know have been on the internet for some time still seem to get = caught.=20 I was accused by one listmember on this list, that if I am so smart = about=20 computers, then why don't I try to teach everyone else how to use them. = We=20 can, of course, see the fallacy in that statement. My advice in the = past=20 seems to have fallen on deaf ears, yet I will try once again. Most of = you=20 never take the time to configure your email program. You just load it = up and=20 accept the default settings. This is obvious in your postings, because = you=20 send messages to the list with colored backgrounds, html attachments, = and a=20 variety of other arcane settings which serve no useful purpose and just = waste=20 bandwidth, both of the reader and the storage space on the server....." Dave Your post contains some good information and some very good advice. = Thanks for taking the time to send it to the list. Hopefully it will be = put to good use by those who need it.=20 However, it comes across as a lecture delivered by a dour professor to a = classroom full of nit wits. I don't know if that is how you intended = it, but that is how it reads to me, at least. I have discovered that = when I "lecture" my "advice" falls less on deaf ears than on ears that = just don't want to hear it. I know of a Army Colonel whose every = sentence is a lecture and only the only people who listen to him are = those whom he outranks, and therefore have no choice.=20 But, like I said, the information is good and I thank you for posting = it. Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:02:14 -0500 From: Todd Subject: MtMan-List: Walnut dye? Has anyone found a way to make walnut dyes a bit more permanent? What = do you add to the dye as a mordant? I'll be dyeing canvas if it makes = a difference. Todd - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:41:26 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: canteens I made the comment about "e-coli is not a modern invention". I prefaced that with my opinion that a container made of animal 'bladder', whether pericardium, urinary, stomach, skin or whatever might not be too hygienic. The point is that 'they' did not understand why it was necessary to practice hygiene back then. Animal product water containers would probably acquire any number of unhealthy buggies with use. Even a modern plastic canteen can become unhealthy if not properly cared for. At least they wouldn't have caught a 'KAK' virus back then. Frank - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 18:01:10 -0500 From: "John McKee" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: mordant for walnut hulls Todd: If you are using English Walnuts you aren't going to get much dye. Best is black walnut. For dying, the soft outer hull is used, not the hard shell. Ferrous Sulfate which is copperas (a water soluble powdered copper) available at a good pharmacy or dye suppliers {contact me off list for a list of those suppliers} is a good mordant for darker colors. Long John - ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd To: MtMan Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 3:02 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Walnut dye? Has anyone found a way to make walnut dyes a bit more permanent? What do you add to the dye as a mordant? I'll be dyeing canvas if it makes a difference. Todd - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 19:23:01 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: VIRUS--thanks for help Something I'd add to Daves 'lecture' ;)... those of you using any Microsoft mail program (Outlook or Outlook Express for instance) might wanna think about raising e-mail holy he*l with Microsoft for their inability or should I say unwillingness to update their software to make sure these virus's aren't accidentally received/transmitted. Also, be aware that many of the newest 'worm' or 'trojan' type bugs are not caught by the most common anti-virus programs, like Norton or McAfee, even with updated 'DAT' files. So, if you do like to download attachments, click on links contained in e-mail or just 'surf' the web, check into other programs designed to protect your system. I'm in no way affiliated with DiamondCS, but can attest that their TDS-2 program has identified stuff the AV's have missed, as well as having intercepted 'probes' of my system and automatically notified the offending hackers ISP so they can be dealt with accordingly. Because these worm and trojan 'bugs' are being written and released on the unsuspecting daily, it couldn't hurt to have a program designed to catch the scripts used to write them, a process entirely different than what an anti-virus does. Also, an anti-virus or trojan defense program is not the same as a firewall, another thing you should consider if you have a network setup or have your file and printer sharing open. The internet is a modern day wilderness, and these type programs are the equivalent of carrying a rifle, pistol and knife into that wilderness to protect yourself. Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:26:15 EDT From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: more info- Beaver in Arizona Any evidence for beaver in the San Pedro besides JO Pattie (Weber merely cites Pattie?) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 01:48:45 -0400 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: VIRUS--thanks for help LivingInThePast@aol.com wrote: > > Something I'd add to Daves 'lecture' ;)... those of you using any Microsoft > mail program (Outlook or Outlook Express for instance) might wanna think > about raising e-mail holy he*l with Microsoft for their inability or should I > say unwillingness to update their software to make sure these virus's aren't > accidentally received/transmitted. Also, be aware that many of the newest > 'worm' or 'trojan' type bugs are not caught by the most common anti-virus [snip] I have to give credit where credit is due...Dave IS correct! DO NOT open attachments and you WON'T get "hurt!" Of course, it is BEST to NOT use any MickySoft mailers nor web browser, as there are holes that can be exploited WITHOUT you're opening an attachment. Even better....get away from ALL MickySoft products...period. Fred - -- It said "Needs Windows 98 or better". So I installed Linux... - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:08:29 -0400 From: "John Hunt" Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: VIRUS--thanks for help *****Microsoft has a free download patch to correct the hole where the worm got in. The worm was spread by attaching it`s self to the automatic signature that many of us use. > > I have to give credit where credit is due...Dave IS correct! DO NOT open > attachments and you WON'T get "hurt!" Of course, it is BEST to NOT use > any MickySoft mailers nor web browser, as there are holes that can be > exploited WITHOUT you're opening an attachment. Even better....get away > from ALL MickySoft products...period. > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:43:20 -0400 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: Fw: MtMan-List: VIRUS--thanks for help John Hunt wrote: > > *****Microsoft has a free download patch to correct the hole where the worm > got in. The worm was spread by attaching it`s self to the automatic > signature that many of us use. > > > > > I have to give credit where credit is due...Dave IS correct! DO NOT open > > attachments and you WON'T get "hurt!" Of course, it is BEST to NOT use > > any MickySoft mailers nor web browser, as there are holes that can be > > exploited WITHOUT you're opening an attachment. Even better....get away > > from ALL MickySoft products...period. The MANY other holes are not patched. - -- MickySoft released W2K with OVER 23,000 KNOWN "issues!" - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 08:56:51 -0700 From: "Gary A. Bell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Wyoming State Museum Discovery Trunk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------4234BF180B91DF33888DE484 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello the list, I struggled with the URL in Dick's message, searched around a little and found: http://spacr.state.wy.us/cr/wsm/mount.htm My printer is busily churning out the Mountain Man materials and a different topic Dick didn't mention on the Plains Indians. Happy Trails! DickSummers@aol.com wrote: > The Wyoming State University Museum has put together lesson plans and a > "Discovery Trunk," for teachers wishing to present instruction on the > American Fur Trade and Mountain Men. > > Those of you working with Boy Scouts or presenting to school-age children, > might want to check out this web site, print the lesson plans, and duplicate > the contents of the trunk. There is no problem using any of the materials, > the university just wants credit to be given to them when used. The web site > is: > > commerce.state.wy.us/cr/wsm/mount.htm > > Dick Summers > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --------------4234BF180B91DF33888DE484 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="microptics.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Gary A. 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I had done the initial research many years back and had since made a map tracing the routes listed in these publications that I now use for living history demos. The Journey never ends... Barkin Dawg >===== Original Message From hist_text@lists.xmission.com ===== >Any evidence for beaver in the San Pedro besides JO Pattie (Weber merely >cites Pattie?) > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 17:25:56 EDT From: DickSummers@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Wyoming State Museum Discovery Trunk Well, that's the web address but I had trouble myself when I tried to get there -- I found the site using the search engine "google." Which I suggest everyone bookmark and use whenever you're trying to find a topic. So to find the Wyoming State Museum Mountain Man or Plains Indians Discovery Trunk(s) - go to google. Type in Wyoming+Museum+Discovery+Trunk+Program the first four hits will connect you to either the Plains Indians or Mountain Man Teachers Manuals. It's interesting the artifacts they put in their trunks to illustrate the time period. Sorry for the confusion, but I've been in more confusing situations by far. Dick Summers - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:17:49 -0700 From: Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Asphaltum Update John, Is this the same type asphaltum used in the process of "jappanning"? And how does one do this? I guess it's a paint and bake affair eh? Rick - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jun 00 13:32:34 EDT From: Concho Smith Subject: Re: [Re: [MtMan-List: gone under???]] "larry pendleton" wrote: You Boys have just gotta try possum on the half shell. Ya just don't kno= w what yer missing. Pendleton - --------------------------------- TALK ABOUT GONE UNDER, ANYONE TALK TO BUCK LATELY. CONCHO. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:38:54 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: [Re: [MtMan-List: gone under???]] Beaver liver and possum. Sounds like poor meat. I like looking at the buffalo and elk across the way. Walt On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana You Boys have just gotta try possum on the half shell. Ya just don't know what yer missing. Pendleton - --------------------------------- TALK ABOUT GONE UNDER, ANYONE TALK TO BUCK LATELY. CONCHO. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:54:11 -0500 From: Matt Porter Subject: MtMan-List: Bean Rifle To all, Does anyone know how popular rifles made by Bean were during the Fur Trade and if there are any documented cases of their use in the mountains? Thanks. YMHS Matt Porter ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:59:19 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Asphaltum Update - --=====================_5247669==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick, I don't have a clue. The can claimed the active ingredient is asphalt, how= =20 thin it is, or whether it contains sufficient hardeners and/or driers to=20 use for japanning I don't know. I don't have anything I need to japan at the moment and I've only seen it=20 in 5 gallon cans. Maybe someone who has a few corral poles to protect can= =20 try some out on a scrap or two of tin. The old product I used which was sold as "asphaltum varnish" didn't require= =20 any baking only air drying. John... At 08:17 AM 6/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >John, >Is this the same type asphaltum used in the process of "jappanning"? And= how >does one do this? I guess it's a paint and bake affair eh? >Rick John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<< mail to: - --=====================_5247669==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick,

I don't have a clue.  The can claimed the active ingredient is asphalt, how thin it is, or whether it contains sufficient hardeners and/or driers to use for japanning I don't know. 

I don't have anything I need to japan at the moment and I've only seen it in 5 gallon cans.  Maybe someone who has a few corral poles to protect can try some out on a scrap or two of tin.

The old product I used which was sold as "asphaltum varnish" didn't require any baking only air drying.

John...


At 08:17 AM 6/5/00 -0700, you wrote:


John,
Is this the same type asphaltum used in the process of "jappanning"?  And how
does one do this? I guess it's a paint and bake affair eh?
Rick

John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0

Kramer's Best Antique Improver
>>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<<


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