From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #582 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, July 1 2000 Volume 01 : Number 582 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: patch knife documentation -       MtMan-List: NOVA -       Re: MtMan-List: NOVA -       Re: MtMan-List: Hides -       Re: MtMan-List: Hides -       Re: MtMan-List: Hides -       MtMan-List: When did it end? -       Re: MtMan-List: When did it end? -       Re: MtMan-List: Hides -       Re: [MtMan-List: Moving] -       MtMan-List: Flint doubles -       Re: MtMan-List: NOVA -       Re: MtMan-List: NOVA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:19:32 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: patch knife documentation At 03:09 PM 6/27/00 -0500, Matt Porter wrote: >To whomever it may concern, > Here is all the info about patch knives I mentioned. I know there is >stuff you all know but I'm sure it can't hurt. Matt, I still have my signed first edition of Grant's fine and extensive work. I have a few points of disagreement with a few of his conclusions. Not really over patch knives; he says anything that will cut a patch is a patch knife. He doesn't make the claim that the term is old. What you quote is terminology he learned from paper punchers at Friendship. People who use plastic tackle boxes and wear blue stripe overalls; a common specie known as "blue stripe whistlers". They set the terminology back in the 30's and when the old farts kept repeating it -- it became the gospel of old. That there were many types of knife used no one has ever disagreed with. Only modern authors like Madison Grant ever called them a patch knife. The point was and is: it is not an old term. Many of the blades shown were rehandled and remade from broken blades, some were local blacksmith made; I still maintain the terminology is a modern invention. I've seen nothing to change my mind. John... "A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on Earth... and what no just government should refuse." --Thomas Jefferson - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:23:06 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: MtMan-List: NOVA This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFE1A3.40782E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did anyone watch the NOVA special last night on the archeological work = on the La Salle ship "La Belle" Facinating.. Had some nice nesting kettles with a nesting collander in = it.. Plenty of trade goods, still packed in the crates.. Great stuff! D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning" - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFE1A3.40782E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BFE1A3.40782E00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:42:41 -0400 From: manbear Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NOVA - --------------5ECDF538C64B6EC189B365CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't see it but I checked out the PBS site. Click on the following link and when you get there click on "Explore The Shipwreck" and then on the highlighted items on the ship map to see pictures. Great stuff. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lasalle/ Dennis Miles wrote: > Did anyone watch the NOVA special last night on the archeological work > on the La Salle ship "La Belle"Facinating.. Had some nice nesting > kettles with a nesting collander in it.. Plenty of trade goods, still > packed in the crates.. Great stuff!D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu > math e" > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE > http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the > beginning" - --------------5ECDF538C64B6EC189B365CD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't see it but I checked out the PBS site.  Click on the following link and when you get there click on "Explore The Shipwreck" and then on the highlighted items on the ship map to see pictures.  Great stuff.

 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lasalle/
 

Dennis Miles wrote:

Did anyone watch the NOVA special last night on the archeological work on the La Salle ship "La Belle"Facinating.. Had some nice nesting kettles with a nesting collander in it.. Plenty of trade goods, still packed in the crates.. Great stuff!D  "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
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- --------------5ECDF538C64B6EC189B365CD-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:19:56 -0600 From: Joe Brandl Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hides I have several green salted deer, elk hides. Deer are $25, elk are $50 Joe Have a look at our web site @ www.dteworld.com/absarokawesterndesign/ Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture 307-455-2440 New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:43:33 EDT From: Huntershorn1@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hides how many would I need to make a buckskin shirt? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:32:23 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hides How big are you. A normal sized man, (not one of those metabolism challenged individuals) will require 4 deer hides. One for the front, one for the back and one for each arm. One big elk hide will make a front and back if it is long enough but you will still need a couple deer hides for the arms. I remain..... The Four Hide Capt. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:31:16 EDT From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: When did it end? Here are some questions that I hope folks feel inspired to respond to.... When did the Rocky Mountain fur trade-era actually end? Did it end, as Hafen argues (Mountain Men and the Fur Trade, v.1), that the era essentially ended at the close of the 1840 roundezvous? Although it seems clear that buffalo robes surpassed beaver plews in economic importance sometime during the 1840s-50s, trade in beaver and other fine furs never stopped (continued down to today, or course.) Carson, Williams and others were leading trapping expeditions into the mountains well after the last roundezvous. So when should we set the historic "cut-off date" for the era? Or more specifically, were the trappers that remained in the west still to be considered "mountain men," or is that a title that should be reserved for the pre-1840 days? What about men that came west after 1840, hooked-up with older mountaineers, made their way as trappers and Indian fighters, later served as scouts for the Army-- can they be accurately called "mountain men"? John R. Sweet - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:11:26 -0600 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: When did it end? John, The "Rendezvous Period" of the Rocky Mountain fur trade has generally been considered the "Golden Age" of the trade. Of course the trapping of furs continued on a smaller scale in the following decades as you mentioned. The "Robe Trade" in buffalo hides to me is a completely different venture. Hunting versus trapping. For our purposes in historical reenactment or anthropological experimenting if you will, it becomes necessary to assign dates to a period to enable us to focus our research and portrayals. The "Pre-1840" rule has been the norm for any years and does offer a logical cut off date for the Western Fur Trade. "Teton" Todd D. Glover Poison River Party - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:00:21 -0600 From: Joe Brandl Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hides 3-4 hides, one for front, one for back and if 3rd hide is big enough and your arms are short enough, one for the sleeves. otherwize one hide for each sleeve Joe Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture 307-455-2440 New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jun 00 20:12:44 EDT From: Concho Smith Subject: Re: [MtMan-List: Moving] Todd Glover wrote: Buck, If you do end up over here in Utah, you'll have to trap with the Poison River Party, a fine bunch of men. You'd fit right in. Looking forward to sharing a fire perhaps. "Teton" Todd D. Glover Poison River Party _______________________________ Todd, Just talked to him on the cell phone, said he made a few offers on severa= l pieces of ground around Payson Utah ! He driving in as we speak, should b= e on line later this evening I would think. Concho. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jun 00 20:37:29 EDT From: Concho Smith Subject: MtMan-List: Flint doubles John, Not only does Buck have a nice original flint side by side made by TWIGG = in 16ga., he has a nice repro of a West Richards flint side by side in 20ga.= I remember a half dozen years ago he got all fired up on them (flint guns) = was buying and trading every few weeks on flint anything until he got what he= wanted. He had more side by side flint parts than Dixie, in fact Jack G. = [TVM] traded for a bunch of that suff, giving him repro flint guns in the white= , then Buck finished them and sold or trade them. Concho. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 02:30:12 EDT From: WSmith4100@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NOVA hello the list! Yes Dennis I saw the show it was pretty interesting. My question is, If the frenchman couldnt make it on the Tx gulf coastcause of the Indians and gators and such, how the blazes did they make it all the way up the big muddy to Canada?? ZZZZZZZZZ Sleeps Loudly Wade Smith - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 07:43:43 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NOVA Wade Wondered that myself.... I would like to hear the story of THAT journey... D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning" - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #582 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.