From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #587 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, July 11 2000 Volume 01 : Number 587 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Fwd: More on fort orleans -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: List is slow - [OFF TOPIC] -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Re: List is slow - [OFF TOPIC]] -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Re: List is slow - [OFF TOPIC]] -       Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Re: List is slow - [OFF TOPIC]] -       MtMan-List: fort Orleans -       Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Re: List is slow - [OFF TOPIC]]] -       MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #585 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:16:29 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: More on fort orleans - --part1_c1.4edd2de.269bb34d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_c1.4edd2de.269bb34d_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb05.mx.aol.com (rly-zb05.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.5]) by air-zb04.mail.aol.com (v75.18) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:35:17 -0400 Received: from frank.harcourtbrace.com (frank.harcourtbrace.com [167.208.101.32]) by rly-zb05.mx.aol.com (v75.18) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:34:52 -0400 Received: from harcourtbrace.com (orl-hbc-mta.harcourtbrace.com [167.208.101.14]) by frank.harcourtbrace.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA02521 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by harcourtbrace.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256918.00769FEE ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:35:41 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HARCOURT From: david.graybill@harcourt.com Sender: david.graybill@harcourt.com To: traphand@aol.com Message-ID: <85256918.00769C01.00@harcourtbrace.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:30:42 -0500 Subject: More Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown - ---------------------- Forwarded by David Graybill/MOS/STL/HARCOURT on 07/10/2000 04:28 PM --------------------------- From: David Graybill on 06/05/2000 12:52 PM To: traphand@aol.com cc: Subject: More Andreas' History of the State of Nebraska EARLY HISTORY Produced by Gary Martens and Laurie Saikin Part 1: Discovery of Nebraska | The Cities of Cibola | Stephen the Moor Part 2: Coronado, the Brilliant Cavalier | The Realm of Tartarrax First Glimpse of Nebraska Part 3: Description of Nebraska in 1541 | Discovery of the Mississippi Jean Nicolet at Green Bay | Jesuit Endeavor Re-Discovery of the Mississippi Part 4: La Salle's Undertakings | Hennepin's Journey Louisiana under French and Spanish Rule Cession of Louisiana to The United States The Treaty of Cession | District of Louisiana Part 5: The Lewis and Clark Expedition Part 6: The Territory Of Louisiana | The Territory of Missouri Maj. Long's Explorations | A Period of No Government Ashley's Expedition Part 7: Col. Fremont's Explorations | Indian Tribes and Treaties Part 4 LA SALLE'S UNDERTAKINGS The work left unfinished by Joliet--the discovery of the mouth of the Mississippi-was accomplished by the indomitable La Salle. The discovery of a water-route to China, the planting of colonies in the West, the building of a fort at the point where the Mississippi flows into the Gulf of Mexico--these were the magnificent schemes revolving in his mind while at Fort Frontenac, Canada. Having first obtained a royal commission for perfecting the discovery of the great river, La Salle, with the necessary compani= ons and stores, ascended Lake Ontario, entered the Niagara River and, passing around the falls, selected a sp= ot at the mouth of a stream now known as Cayuga Creek, on the America site, about two leagues above the catarac= t, where he commenced building the "Griffin," a bark of sixty tons. This craft, after many delays, was finally fully equipped, and spreading her sails, boldly stood on her way westward--the first vessel to navigate Lake Er= ie. This was in August, 1679. A pleasant and rapid run brought them to the mouth of the Detroit Rive= r. Thence they passed into Lake Huron, and, after a rough voyage upon that lake, the "Griffin" was safely moo= red in the Straits of Mackinaw. In September, La Salle passed westward into Lake Michigan, and cast ancho= r, finally, near one of the islands at the entrance of Green Bay. From this point the vessel was sent back with a rich cargo of furs, under orders to return with provisions and supplies, to be conveyed to the head of Lake Michi= gan. But the "Griffin" and her crew were never more heard of. She probably foundered and all on board perished.= La Salle, with fourteen men, after parting with his vessel, started up Lake Michigan in four canoes deepl= y laden. After terrible hardships, he reached the head of the lake, and, circling around it, paddled his way into the mouth of the river. St. Joseph--called by him the "Miamis." From this river, La Salle crossed to a branch of the Illinois, down wh= ich he floated to the main stream, on whose banks, below what is now Peoria, he finally rested. Leaving all his companions except five, he then determined to return to Canada to bring forward supplies. This return trip was undertaken on foot in the month of March, 1680; and has been much commented upon for the daring and hardihood necessary for its successful accomplishment, but more especially as to the route pursued. La Salle followed up the Illinois, crossed over to Lake Michigan and was soon at the mouth of the St. Joseph. Here he was assured of the fate of the "Griffin" by two men whom he found; so he pushed onward with his big party through=20= the unknown wilds of what is now Southern Michigan. Finally, the Detroit River was reached and crossed,= and the persevering Frenchmen, taking a direct line thence to Lake Erie, came to its northern shores at a plac= e not far from Point Pelee, he having sent two of his men from the Detroit to Mackinaw. Upon the lake he embarked= in a canoe made as best he could, and in it reached the Niagara River in safety. Thence he made his way without accident to Fort Frontenac, at the foot of Lake Ontario, after sixty-five days of incessant toil from his place of starting on the Illinois--the most ardous journey perhaps ever made by Frenchmen in all their expeditions= , either in the valley of the St. Lawrence or the Mississippi. HENNEPIN'S JOURNEY. Previous to LaSalle's leaving the Illinois, Louis Hennepin, a Francisc= an friar, had been sent down that river to explore it to its mouth, and, after reaching the Mississippi, to move=20= up that river and report his discoveries. Hennepin journeyed as far as the Falls of St. Anthony, which he named,= and returned after much suffering and many narrow escapes by way of the Wisconsin River to Lake Michigan--wintering (1680-81) upon the Straits of Mackinaw, and finally, in the last-mentioned year, reaching, by way of Lake Huron and the lower lakes, the River St. Lawrence in safety. On the 6th day of February, 1682, there stood at the mouth of the Illi= nois River, gazing out upon the silent waters, La Salle. He had returned from Canada by way of the lakes to t= he point where he then was, his destination being the mouth of the Mississippi. Although fully satisfi= ed that the great stream flowed onward to the gulf, yet, as before mentioned, he was resolved to complete the work b= egun by Joliet and explore it to its mouth. Boldly he and his party embarked in their canoes. Onward they floated, every stage of their adventurous progress being marked with strange sights, but they hesitated not. The= y had many adventures with the savages; many hardships to encounter; many obstacles to overcome; but, finally,= in the early part of April, the great gulf opened before them. They had reached what the sad followers of De Soto= had seen 150 years previous--the mouth of the Mississippi. Thereupon the whole country drained by the Mississippi was taken possession of in the name of the French King. In the autumn of 1683, La Salle, by way of th= e Illinois, once more returned to the St. Lawrence. Thus Europeans explored, from the Falls of St. Anthony to th= e Gulf of Mexico, a country to which La Salle gave the name of Louisiana. "We have given the name Louisiana to this great discovery," said Hennepin to the King of France, in 1682, "being persuaded that Your Majesty would=20= not disapprove that a part of the earth watered by a river more than eight hundred leagues in length, and much greater than Europe, which we may call the Delight of America, and which is capable of terming a great Empire= , should henceforth be known under the august name of Louis, that it may thereby have some show of right to aspire to the honor of your protection, and hope for the advantage of belonging to you." The vast area watered by the Missouri was, as yet, an undiscovered country. "As we were descending the river," wrote Marquette of his voyage down the Mississippi, in 1673, with Joli= et, "we saw high rocks with hideous monsters painted on them and upon which the bravest Indians dare not l= ook. They are as large as a calf, with head and horns like a goat; their eyes red; beard like a tiger's and a face like a man's. Their tails are so long that they pass over their heads and between their forelegs under their bell= y and ending like a fish's tail. They are painted red, green and black. They are so well drawn that I cannot bel= ieve they were made by the Indians. And for what purpose they were made seems to me a great mystery. As we fel= l down the river, and while we were discoursing upon these monsters, we heard a great rushing and bubbling= of waters, and small islands of floating trees coming from the mouth of the Pekitanoni [the Missouri] with such rapidity that we could not trust ourselves to go near it. The water of this river is so muddy that we could not d= rink it. It so discolors the Mississippi as to make the navigation of it dangerous This river comes from the northwes= t and empties into the Mississippi, and on its banks are situated a number of Indian villages. * * The Indians to= ld us that by ascending the Pekitanoni, about six days' journey from its mouth, we would find a beautiful prairie tw= enty or thirty leagues broad, at the end of which, to the northwest, is a small river which is not difficult to navigate. This river runs toward the southwest for ten or fifteen leagues, after which it enters a small lake, which is t= he source of another deep river, running to the west, where it empties into the sea." Such was the first description e= ver given to civilized man of the country of the Missouri; vague and indefinite it is, but bearing some resemblance= to the region as it was afterward seen. The hope entertained by Father Marquette was to find communication wit= h the California Sea, "in order to be able to publish the Gospel to all the nations of this New World, who h= ave so long been plunged in heathen darkness." This avenue, he was led to believe, might be found through=20= what are now called the Missouri and Platte Rivers; for, from the Indians he had learned that by advancing=20= up the Missouri five or six days, "you come to a beautiful prairie twenty or thirty leagues long, which yon must c= ross to the northwest. It terminates at another little river, on which you can embark, it not being difficult to trans= port canoes over so beautiful a country as that prairie. This second river runs southwest for ten or fifteen leagues, after which it enters a small lake, which is the source of another deep river running to the west, where it empties int= o the sea." The brave Christian worker was not correctly informed as to the geography of the region beyond Nebras= ka, but his spirit shines out as one of the most glorious in the annals of devout endeavor through the pages of hi= s journal. Such men are the rare exemplars for the people of all time to shape their lives by. Patient, hopeful, courageous, sincere--the name of Marquette is one to be cherished because of what he was, as well as what he did. The first effort at cartography in the West was made by Father Marquet= te, in 1673. This crude map contains a much closer resemblance to the later and more scientifically designed charts than does that of any of the early maps to the regions attempted to be described. "We found," says the historian of La Salle's voyage down the Mississip= pi, in 1682, " the Ozage [Missouri] River coming from the west. It is fully as large as the River Colbert [Mississippi], into which it empties, troubling it so that from the mouth of the Ozage the water is hardly drinkable." From the St. Lawrence, La Salle returned to France to make arrangement= s for colonizing the country he had explored. In July, 1684, he left Rochelle with a fleet of four vessels= for the mouth of the Mississippi. Being ignorant of the coast, his vessels went too far westward and landed at Matagorda Bay, Texas. This was February 14, 1685. He was fully 120 leagues away from the great river=20= he was in search of. His expedition proved a failure; for one of his vessels was shipwrecked and, on the 1= 4th of March, his principal associate determined to abandon the project of establishing a colony. He left La Salle without mechanical implements and other necessary articles to commence operations with in an uncultivate= d region. He was in an unknown country, on an inhospitable shore, surrounded by savages and exposed to the mos= t imminent dangers. A fort was erected to protect them on the Rivere aux Vaches, which was named St. Louis, i= n honor of the French King. Early in 1686, La Salle decided to return to Canada, taking with him seventeen persons, and leaving twenty at Fort St. Louis, including men, women and children--the wretched remnant of the=20= 180 persons who had accompanied him from France. On his journey from Fort St. Louis, La Salle was assassin= ated by one of his own men and his colony left behind was afterward broken up--nearly all perishing miser= ably at the hands of merciless savages. Thus ended the first attempt at colonizing Louisiana. Any further attempt at colonization of the Lower Mississippi was interrupted by a war between the Iroquois and the British colonies on the one side and the French of Canada on the other, commencing in 1689, which was terminated by the peace of Ryswick in 1697; however, several Canadians= , attracted by the beauty and fertility of the country had, meanwhile, established themselves during this period along the shores of the great river. Settlements were also formed in the Illinois country, east of the Mississippi. As soon as peace was re-established on a solid and permanent basis, the French court bestowed its attentio= n upon the affairs of the New World. On the 27th of February, 1699, Iberville, with a small colony consisting mostly of Canadians, entered the Mississippi from the Gulf. In May, he planted his colony on the Bay of Biloxi, wit= hin the limits of the present State of Mississippi. Sauvolle was the first Governor. He was succeeded by Bienville. LOUISIANA UNDER FRENCH AND SPANISH RULE. On the 17th of September, 1712, the entire province of Louisiana inclu= ding the vast country between the Rocky Mountains on the west and the Alleghanies on the east--in short, the entire area drained by the Mississippi--was granted to Anthony Crozart, a wealthy French merchant. Of course, with= in his grant was the whole of the territory now constitutingthe State of Nebraska. Crozart agreed to sen= d every year two ships from France with goods and emigrants. In his grant, the river "heretofore called Mississippi," is named "St. Louis;" the "Missourys" is called '' St. Phillip;" and the ''Ouabache" (the Ohio and Wabash united) is named "St. Jerome." Louisiana was made dependent upon the General Government of New France (Canada). The laws of Paris were to be observed and enforced in the province. Crozart's patent extended sixte= en years, but was resigned after five years. A short time after its relinquishment, the colony of Louisiana=20= was granted to the Mississippi Company, projected by the celebrated John Law, with authority to monopolize all= the trade and commerce of the province--to declare and prosecute wars and appoint officers. The comp= any built Fort Chartres, about sixty-five miles below the mouth of the Missouri, on the east side of the Mississippi. Miners and mechanics were encouraged to emigrate, and the city of New Orleans was founded in 171= 7. Settlements now began to extend along the banks of the "mighty river," and the Illinois country receiv= ed a considerable accession. Dutisne, a French officer, was sent from New Orleans, in 1719, by Bienville, the Governor of Louisiana, into the country west of the Mississippi. He visited a village of the Osage Indians, five miles from the Osage River, at eighty leagues above its mouth. Thence he crossed to the northwest 120 miles, over prairies abounding with buffaloes, to some Pawnee villages. Fifteen days more of westward marc= hing brought him to the Padoucahs, a brave and warlike nation. Here he erected a cross with the arms of the king, September 27, 1719. If Dutisne did not actually set foot upon what is now the State of Nebraska, he could= not have been very far away on that day. "On the 10th [of October, 1721], about 9 o'clock in the morning, after= we had gone five leagues on the Mississippi," writes Charlevoix, "we arrived at the mouth of the Misso= uri, which is north-northwest and south-southeast. I believe this is the finest confluence in the world.= The two rivers are much of the same breadth, each about half a league; but the Missouri is by far the most rapid, a= nd seems to enter the Mississippi like a conqueror, through which it carries its white waters to the opposite shore, without mixing them; afterward, it gives its color to the Mississippi, which it never loses again, but carries it quite down to the sea." "The Osages," continues Charlevoix, "a pretty numerous nation, settled= on the side of a river which bears their name and which runs into the Missouri about forty leagues from its junction with the Mississippi, send, once or twice a year, to sing the Calumet amongst the Kaskaskias, and are actu= ally there at present. I have also just now seen a Missouri woman, who told me that her nation is the first we mee= t with going up the Missouri, from which she has the name we have given her, for want of knowing her true name.= It [the Missouri nation] is situated eighty leagues from the confluence of that river [the Missouri] with the Mississippi. As early as 1719, the Spaniards in New Mexico, alarmed at the rapid encroachments of the French in the Upper and Lower Mississippi Valleys, made strenuous exertions to dispossess them. In order to accomplish this, they thought it necessary to destroy the Missouri nation, who were in allia= nce with the French. Their plan was to excite the Osages against their neighbors--the Missouris--and then tak= e part in the contest against the latter. An expedition was fitted out in 1720 at Santa F=E9; it was a moving carav= an of the desert. The Spaniards were led to the very tribe they would have destroyed, supposing them to be Osages.= The result was that all were killed except one, who succeeded in making his escape. This boldness of the Spaniards caused the French under M. de Bourgmont to erect a fort on an island in the Missouri, above the m= outh of the Osage River, which post was called "Fort Orleans." But the stockade was attacked after its complet= ion and occupation, and all the garrison slain--by whom was never known. The builder of Fort Orleans, before it= s destruction, passed many leagues up the Kansas River, and made firm friends of the Padoucahs--who had previously been seen by Dutisne. The Indians had previously traded with the Spaniards in New Mexico. The first information extant of the tribes of Indians inhabiting the Missouri River above the Missouri nation, is that given by Charlevoix in 1721: "Higher up we find the Cansez [Kansas]; t= hen the Octotatas [Otoes], which some call Mactotatas; then the Ajouez [Iowas] and Panis [Pawnees], a very populous nation, divided into several cantons, which have names very different from each other. * * All the people I have mentioned inhabit the west side of the Missouri, except the Ajouez, which are on the east side, neighbors of the Sioux, and their allies." It is evident, that, during the first half of the seventeenth century, the country now forming the State of Nebraska was inhabited along its southern border by the Kansas Indians; that the Pl= atte River, then called the Rivere des Panis, was the home of the Pawnees, who had also villages to the northward--a= t a point a considerable distance up the Missouri River. But to the westward, on the head-waters of the Kansas River, of the Platte River and of the Niobrara, lived the Padoucahs--a tribe long since extinct. In the beginning of her history, the State of Kansas is more fortunate than her sister State north. We know to a certainty that as early as 1719, Dutisne visited her territory and tha= t Bourgmont was there in 1724. Now, while it is almost as certain that what is now Nebraska was visited by Frenchme= n not long subsequent to this period, yet the names of these visitors we shall never know. They were traders, hunters and trappers from the Mississippi River and from Canada. They cannot be called explorers, much less colonists. They left no record behind them of the Missouri country and its various tribes. The Mississippi Company, in 1732, surrendered their charter to the Fre= nch Government. Then it was that the "Mississippi bubble" burst. The company had held possession of Louisia= na for fourteen years and left it with a population of 5,000 whites and half as many blacks. The French King, o= n the 10th day of April of that year, declared the province free to all his subjects, with equal privileges=20= as to trade and commerce. But, though the company of the West did little for the enduring welfare of the Mississ= ippi Valley, it did something; the cultivation of tobacco, indigo, rice and silk was introduced; the lead mines of Missouri were opened, and, in the Illinois country, the culture of wheat began to assume some degree of stability= and importance; but the immediate valley of the Missouri still remained wholly in possession of native tribes.=20= For the next thirty years, very little transpired in the upper portions of Louisiana worthy of especial mention. St. Genevieve, on the west side of the Mississippi, within the present limits of the State of Missouri, was founded, and, during the year 1762, the first village was established on the Missouri River within the same State, named "Villag= e du Cote," now St. Charles. In the same year, the Governor General of Louisiana granted to Laclede and others=20= a charter under the name of the "Louisiana Fur Company," which, among other things, conferred the exclusive privilege of trading with the Indians of the Missouri River. But, just before this time, momentous events had transpired in Canada. This country was conquered by the English, and, as we shall now see, Louisi= ana became the property of other powers. CESSION OF LOUISIANA TO THE UNITED STATES. By the British conquest of Canada, in 1760, the province of Louisiana alone remained to France; but even this she was not in a position to hold. Therefore, it was, that, on the 3d=20= of November, 1762, she ceded it to Spain, shorn, however, of its eastern half, which fell to the English. The en= tire region of the Missouri River, including, of course, all that is now the State of Nebraska, was thenceforth, for thirty-seven years, Spanish territory. But Spain did not at once take possession of her portion of Louisiana, as=20= the sequel shows. On the 15th of February, 1764, Laclede's company established itself on the present site of St. Louis, where he founded that city and gave it its name. Two years after this, Don Antonio d'Ulloa, the Spanish Governor, arrived at New Orleans, but was so coldly received that he departed without having produced his credentials. Two years after, a company of Spanish troops took possession of St. Louis in the name of the King of Spain; and, in 1770, French sway was at an end in so mnch of Upper Louisiana as lay west of the Mississippi; f= or, in that year, a Lieutenant Governor arrived at St. Louis and extended his authority over the whole region.= But Great Britain did not long remain the possessor of the country east of the Mississippi; for, by the definite treaty of peace, signed September 3, 1783, the United States was declared to extend from the Atlantic Ocean westw= ard to the Mississippi River, and from a line along the great lakes on the north southward to the thirty-first parallel and southern border of Georgia. Still, the territory now constitnting the State of Nebraska was no part of th= e United States. The vast region bordering upon the Missouri (beginning a short distance above the confluence wit= h the Mississippi) and watered by its tributaries, remained a possession of Spain, and the home of savage nations, visited only by the vagrant trader to traffic in furs with the different tribes. These traders were mostly Frenchmen. Sometimes they would have houses and remain stationary for one, two, and even more years; but, sooner o= r later, they all departed the country. - --part1_c1.4edd2de.269bb34d_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 2000 18:02:26 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: List is slow - [OFF TOPIC] On Sun, 09 July 2000, "John Hunt" wrote: > >have him tell you the story about his grandfather's brother that rode with Villa and then ended up in the movies, cool stuff. ********How about sharing it with the rest of us, sounds interesting.*************** > > ---------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------- You asked for it, it's not this "lists" time period, but still early history for those on the list that do the "cowboys shoots", thanks for asking John. Those that are not interested Please delete. - ------------------------------------------------------- George "Buck" Connor ( Leroy N. Conner, Sr.’s older brother[my grand father]) was a bantam rooster of a man when standing next to his brother of 6’1”, he served in the Spanish-American War, had ridden in the Buffalo Bill Wild West Shows and had been a Texas Ranger. During the Mexican Revolution he was commissioned to go to Mexico and take movies of the battles. His final assignment was to cover the War as close as possible in Mexico near the end of the century, he was known to be somewhat of a hot head and had had several run ins with the local Federales. The Federales issued orders that anyone caught with a camera would be shot as a spy. George sent the camera back to the States, instead of returning, and known to like a good fight he ended up as a revolutionary riding with the “army of peons”, wearing the crossed bandoleers of his now famous friends and ex-bandit outlaws Pascual Orozco and Doroteo Arango (Pancho Villa). Upon returning to the U.S. he rode in the Pawnee Bill Wild West Show, his ability and horsemanship landed him in the early years of the movie westerns, he was a stunt man and later a pardner of Buck Jones and Bob Steel in the "Saturday Afternoon Cliff Hangers" that thrilled the kids nation wide. He died in 1947 on the streets of Yuma, AZ as a deputy sheriff, still carrying one of the old Colt’s used in the Villa War, an 1873 Colt Peacemaker, now on display in a Yuma AZ museum. Found in his belongings was an 1862 Colt 36 cal. conversion rimfire and flap holster and belt that was also carried in Mexico, which we now have in a collection with several other items that where given to my father. I knew of some of his life but the family records didn't show a lot about him, other than he had problems with his father J.W. and had changed his last name to Connor. A good article on him in the 1985 Annual Guns & Ammo issue, shows him with his friends in Mexico, armed to the teeth, titled "The Last of the Gunfighters". Hey Hawk is this good facts or just hear say !!! - ------------------------------------------------------- SEE LETTERS AND REPLY BELOW: - ------------------------------------------------------- Date 07-12-97 Ladies & Gentlemen, I was at one of the local video stores in our area, looking for information on “Buck Jones” movies (# 170 your number), mainly one’s that had a co-star by the name of “George Buck Connor”. After checking with several stores a young lady gave me your address and suggested writing you of what I was looking for, as your catalog showed only the main stars and not co-stars. “George Buck Connor”, was a camera man before the turn of the century covering the Villa war in Mexico, when word was put out to kill all camera men and reporters George sent the camera and other material home, joined the revolt until able to cross over into the US. He did many movies as a stuntman before teaming up with Buck Jones. As you have guessed by now we are related, my Grand Father’s brother, George changed the spelling of our name, thinking family won’t know of his fighting with Villa. Any help in finding any of the movies he was in would be great. Barry “Buck” Conner - ------------------------------------------------------- Thu, 29 Jan 98 18:24:40 +0000 e-mail: Dear Mr. Conner: Let me first apologize for the delay in responding to your inquiry about your Grand Father’s brother, Buck / George Connor’s movies. You were given an out-of-date address; the correct one follows at the end of this message. I did some additional research and found a filmography for George. We did not have him listed in our database since the information we receive from suppliers is often very limited, particularly with older titles. I will be adding him to all the titles we list as currently available on video, after a little research I found he has an interesting career in the movie industry, plus his role with Villa in earlier years. Some of his filmography includes: The Westerner (1940) West of Santa Fe (1939) The Law Rides (1936) Alias John Law (1935) No Man's Land (1935) The Last Round-Up (1934) The Thundering Herd (1934) Desert Vengeance (1931) The Dawn Trail (1930) Trails of Peril (1930) Grit Wins (1929) Hell's Heroes (1929) The Crimson Canyon (1928) The Fearless Rider (1928) The Phantom Flyer (1928) The Mojave Kid (1927) Jaws of Steel (1927) The Fighting Three (1927) The Bronco Buster (1927) Hands Off (1927) Hidden Loot (1925) Biff Bang Buddy (1924) Fighting Fury (1924) The Back Trail (1924) The Duke of Chimney Butte (1921) Action (1921) The Phantom Riders (1918) The contiues, but this will give you an idea of how much in demand your great uncle was, very common for thoses with his horseman skills and ability with a gun. Sincerely, Marrit Howard, Video Editor Muze/VideoLog 5665 Oberlin Dr., Ste. 100 San Diego, CA 92121 - ------------------------------------------------------- Later. Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "One who trades" "Uno quien negocia" "Unquil Commerce" English Spanish French * Phila * St.Louis * Trade West * Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 00 21:14:29 EDT From: Concho Smith Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Re: List is slow - [OFF TOPIC]] On Sun, 09 July 2000, "John Hunt" wrote: > >have him tell you the story about his grandfather's brother that rode = with Villa and then ended up in the movies, cool stuff. ********How about sha= ring it with the rest of us, sounds interesting.*************** > > ---------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------- buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: You asked for it, it's not this "lists" time period, but still early hist= ory for those on the list that do the "cowboys shoots", thanks for asking Joh= n. Those that are not interested Please delete. - ------------------------------------------------------- Hey Buck, You should have waited for Dennis and Pablo, shown one of these two movie= s; "The Westerner" or "West of Santa Fe", then told them the story and done = a "dog and pony show" with the other stuff. Thanks for sharing. Concho. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:55:52 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Re: List is slow - [OFF TOPIC]] Thanks for sharing that with us, Buck... I always love a good story, especially when it is family history. Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 2000 20:23:05 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Re: List is slow - [OFF TOPIC]] On Mon, 10 July 2000, "Addison Miller" wrote: > Thanks for sharing that with us, Buck... I always love a good story, especially when it is family history. > > Ad Miller > ---------------------- Thanks Ad, I really liked this post before we got [OFF TOPIC], the LaSalle venture is very interesting, got to talk to some of the gentlemen that made a trek/canoe trip following their path in 1988 or 1989 at Ft. deChartre, ILL, very interesting. Anybody got more information on the original or follow ups on this !!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Forwarded by David Graybill/MOS/STL/HARCOURT on 07/10/2000 04:29 PM --------------------------- From: David Graybill on 06/05/2000 12:49 PM To: traphand@aol.com cc: Subject: More on Fort Orleans From www.ukans.edu/carrie/kancol About the close of the year 1714, M. Du Tissenet [11], a young Canadian,arrived at the post of Mobile to enter the service of M. Crozat. He brought with him specimens of lead from the mines in the neighborhood of Kaskaskia, which had been given to him by his countrymen who resided at that place. These specimens he tool to M. De la Motte, and on being assayed they were found to contain some silver. He afterward took charge of a grant of land, where he remained until M. Crozat was succeeded by Law,and M. De Boisbriant was appointed Governor of the Illinois district of Louisiana. In October, 1718, M......... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Later. Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "One who trades" "Uno quien negocia" "Unquil Commerce" English Spanish French * Phila * St.Louis * Trade West * Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:27:06 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: MtMan-List: fort Orleans Traphand, Thanks for the info. Historic information, no matter which time peroid, can be interesting. A note for us a later time frame- the "Padoucas" listed in the information that he gave to us is a very early name of a tribe which we know better as the Comanches. mike. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 00 23:33:45 EDT From: Concho Smith Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: MtMan-List: Re: List is slow - [OFF TOPIC]]] the LaSalle venture is very interesting, got to talk to some of the gentl= emen that made a trek/canoe trip following their path in 1988 or 1989 at Ft. deChartre, ILL, very interesting. Anybody got more information on the ori= ginal or follow ups on this !!! - ----------------------------- We ran into the same group at Kaskaskia, after deChartre, didn't they hav= e an adventure, very knowledgable of the LaSalle ordeal, that was a good bit o= f information from "traphand". Concho. Got more ? ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:05:17 -0500 From: "Karl Kroll" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #585 I could not agree more with Paul Harvey's comments. JB Sierra with all due respect, I don't think that you should be pushing your religious views (evolution) on Paul Harvey or the rest of us. Calling "evolution" science and Creationism religion, just because it is mentioned in the Bible, tells me that you have much more faith than I have. As an engineer, I was trained in the scientific method. Basically, come up with an idea and examine all the information available to see if the information backs up your original idea. Evolutionists have a different idea they "know that they are correct" and any information that they see backs up their beliefs and ignore information that backs up Creationism. As an example, the PBS TV show NOVA, aired a "science" program that set out to settle the small problem that evolutionists have regarding flight. There were two "scientists" arguing weather animals started flying by jumping out of trees or by waving their arms when they are being chased by another animal. Think about the logic of these arguments and the faith required to belive something that does not make any sense. I would like to experiment with these experts and have the tree jumper jump out of trees and the flapper run away from bears with his arms flapping and see which one passes on more genetic material to their offspring. Finally at the end of the program the jumper said, "look we know that birds evolved some how, so they had to jump out of trees." A scientist in any other disipline would ask themselves, neither of these ideas make any sense so lets look at the fossil record and see that we have a sudden apperance of birds and insects not a gradual change from one animal to another. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #587 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.