From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #604 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, August 9 2000 Volume 01 : Number 604 In this issue: -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Happy Birthday -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Hunley -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Fire victims OFF TOPIC -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: A gun manufacturer that is true to their word and their product. -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: mad hatters -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: A gun manufacturer that is true to their word and their product. -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: CToakes --traditions -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: A gun manufacturer that is true to their word and their produ... -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Mind set -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Mind set -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Mind set -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Mind set -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Coconut used in the New world. -牋牋牋 Re: [MtMan-List: Coconut used in the New world.] -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Fire victims OFF TOPIC -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: mad hatters and use of mercury -牋牋牋 Re: [MtMan-List: Coconut used in the New world.] -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Custom guns ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:54:16 -0400 From: manbear Subject: MtMan-List: Happy Birthday On this day in 1762 - John J. Astor was born. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:49:34 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: MtMan-List: Hunley This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C00115.9338FB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just watched on the news, the folks raise the Confederate Submarine = Hunley to the blue skies once more.. In one piece... Facinating.... D - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C00115.9338FB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just watched on the news, the folks raise the = Confederate=20 Submarine Hunley to the blue skies once more.. In one piece...=20 Facinating....

- ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C00115.9338FB60-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:40:13 -0700 From: "John C. Funk, Jr." Subject: MtMan-List: Fire victims OFF TOPIC Friends, As you are aware, there are some outrageous fires which are out of control in many parts of the country. One fire in particular looms deadly in the Bitterroot Valley of Montana. They're are many friends of the Hist List and "brothers" to some of you, who reside in the valley. Talked with Bob Schmidt and Rick (Hawk) Hurst last night regarding their circumstances. Bob is not immediately threatened, apparently, as he lives on the opposite side of the valley. He states he can see "many" fires which are out of control along the mountain ridges west of the valley. Rick is not as lucky. He and his family are preparing to evacuate. I had the privilege of staying with Rick and Tammi for a short while last year in their log home. They are on the west side of the Hamilton valley and reside up a heavily wooded canyon. Things are not good for them right now. Keep them in your prayers. John Funk - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:25:23 EDT From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: A gun manufacturer that is true to their word and their product. Every once and a while the question comes as to what gun a beginner with limited resouces ($) should get. I, and my family, have all been doing this hobby/life style for the past 10 years and never could afford to buy custom made guns for the family. And quite honestly I am not a good enough craftsman to waste the money on perfectly good parts to make a bad/sloppy home made gun. Many can, and will, but I just do not have that talent. So years ago we purchased a couple of traditions flintlock .50 cal rifles. I got the Pennsylvania and my wife got the shorter Tennessee .50 cal. Both are now over 5 years old and have been used in competitions, fun shoots and have put a lot of deer in the freezer. Some of you may remember I wrote some time back that I felt that FOR THE MONEY (less than $300) they are a good gun. Well at our last club shoot my wife was having a lot of problems, no spark or weak spark. I took the lock off and found a lot of side to side motion in the cock (hammer for those of you from the 1800's) and there was also some slop (looseness) front to back as well. Traditions advertizes a lifetime warrentee on all moving parts but I have always felt those warrentees were just so much wasted ink. Well think again, I fax'd them to ask what to do and they said send in the whole lock which I did via US Mail 3 weeks ago. And today I recieved via UPS a NEW replacement lock at no charge from Traditions. So for those of you that have to wait years to get that special custom gun, you can get started, have a great deal of fun with a good, AFFORDABLE, flintlock from Traditions and know that you will have a working gun to hand off to your son or daughter the day you finally get enough saved to buy your first (and possibly last) custom gun. Oh and for those of you that have the money, after 10 years I finally put aside enough to go down to CenterMark Guns in Fredonia NY and ordered a built for me new .62 cal/20 guage Tulle. Paul (owner of CenterMark) let me pick my wood from all the stock blanks he had on hand and was extremely helpful with getting proper length of pull/fit figured for my body and shooting style. He is also customizing it to my needs/wants/desires (rear sight for old eyes) steel ram rod, and sling swivels. I knew they made a wonderful gun but after driving down to order my gun in person, meeting the guys that make them and seeing the operation I can tell you these are good folks to get a gun from. They make Tulles, Early American Fowlers (shotguns) and Lancaster rifles as well as other special orders. You can see their work on display in the armory at Ft. Niagara in NY when you go there. Oh yes my Traditions flintlock will now be used by my 15 year old and when he graduates it will go to his younger sister. And based on Traditions warrentee it may just be around for my grand kids, wouldn't that be nice. Your Humble and Obediant Servant C.T. Oakes - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:02:10 -0600 From: Joe Brandl Subject: MtMan-List: mad hatters Why was mercury used in making felt hats causing thus the term mad hatters joe Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture 307-455-2440 New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:25:28 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A gun manufacturer that is true to their word and their product. In a message dated 8/8/00 8:27:48 AM, CTOAKES@aol.com writes: << He is also customizing it to my needs/wants/desires (rear sight for old eyes) >> Hallo CTOAKES.... Glad to see you're finally getting a Tulle! I've had mine from CenterMark for mebbe 15years and dearly love it. Great shooter and throws enough sparks to start a brush fire with a good flint.... I'm wondering if you really want to put a rear sight on the gun though...us old timers can't see the rear sights anyway and it sure would keep you out of some great trade gun shoots.... Ymos, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:10:52 -0400 From: "John Hunt" Subject: MtMan-List: CToakes --traditions After reading Mr. Oakes comments about traditions, I must add info about Northstar. Due to bad tinkering by me trying to get a better fit between the frizzen and pan on my northwest (mfg. by Curly) I created a POORER FIT. This was about two weeks before deer season. Called northstar and explained about me working on my tradegun. Sent the lock to Nevada and they only charged me for the parts. Fit it correctly and put it together, I had it back in time to go deer hunting. The price of parts was cheap I thought. Won`t mention price due to inflation. Wasn`t charged for machine work. Extremely good and quick service. Can`t speak highly enough of the more than fair way I was treated. John (BIG JOHN) Hunt longhunter mountainman Southwest, Ohio - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:58:11 EDT From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A gun manufacturer that is true to their word and their produ... Hey, CT! By "Custom rifle" ya mean like the middle one in the July/Aug Muzzleloader "center fold" by Steve Lodding? That example of what Steve's capable of hangs above my fire place when it ain't making noise & smoke up on the mountain. When I got my settlement for my work induced hearing loss, I ask Steve for a reproduction of Fredric Sell's Pegasus rifle, & with a few minor changes, got what I ask for. The Muzzleloader article mentions the lock plate isn't brass as on the original, & the picture shows the lock as a brown color. However it isn't brown -- Steve heat colored it to straw yellow, so it isn't as far off as it looks. Another change is the swamped barrel. We discovered through our research, the original had a tapered barrel -- after we'd already ordered the Coleran. For anyone who's seen pictures of the original, you know Fredric's version of the eagle on the cheek piece looks like a "ruptured duck" -- Steve rebelled at putting "that abortion" on "HIS" rifle, so the eagle is much better looking on the copy. I'm very pleased with the way it looks, handles & shoots. As for builders sticking behind their creations, I know Steve will back this rifle as long as he's able to pick up a tool. Other manufacturers I'm aware of who stand behind their goods are T/C (with the exception of their patriot pistol & Senica rifle which are no longer in production), North Star West, & Caywood. A friend was building a Caywood kit when his house was broken into & ransacked. The scum even killed his little dog. Anyhow, when he's straightened up the mess, he discovered the lock for his Caywood was missing. He called Danny & explained his dilemma, & Danny sent him a new lock FREE! MN - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:45:37 EDT From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Mind set Just to show how sometimes we get a case of tunnel vision, the wife just asked me: "Is your Cannon a 610?" I replied: "Trade gun is a .62, & while I normaly shoot .600's, I can shoot .610's if I patch a little thinner." She sez: "No, silly -- your printer -- you said you were out of ink!" NM - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:38:52 -0700 From: Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mind set ROTFLMAO. Thanks. Rick - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:14:07 -0700 From: "Bruce S. de Lis" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mind set Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com wrote: > ROTFLMAO. Thanks. > Rick > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ROTFLMAO What does ROTFLMAO mean????? Penny Pincher Sun City West, Arizona The land of the Senior Citizens, but a place where you are only as old as you act. Visit My Home Page, and Links of Interest. http://sites.netscape.net/pennyinarizona/micasa - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:32:26 EDT From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mind set Rollin On The Floor Laughing My A-- Off Longshot "Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage" http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:38:14 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives At 08:16 PM 01/31/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Hello All, > >A good friend of mine who has too much spare time on his hands, is >thinking of making some replica "I.Wilson" knives. (Of course I know it's >really "J. Wilson", spare me) Todd, Anything from this guy yet? Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 2000 18:58:54 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: MtMan-List: Coconut used in the New world. Here's something for you craftsman like the Capt., Goebel, etc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FOR SALE The George Washington dipper from the spring near Valley Forge, Pennsylvanis. Brass, fitted coconut shell, with long wooden handle to be auctioned off at Christy's, only bids taken of over $5,000.00. Value estimated upwards of over $10,000.00. Written authentication along with brassmaker's name, and the year 1771. In family of the farm owners since the Revolution and proof of General Washington's use of the ladel. Call for picture 804-361-9166. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is very interesting as members of a fur trade list we think of gourd's and their uses, but remember the French used coconut shells in the same way when serving in this country; water containers, dipper (like the one above), storage containers, etc. Anyone have any reference to coconut uses in the fur trade like those uses in the F&I War and Rev. War just mentioned ??? Have read of coconut in the east and on the west coast being used, was a big trade item on the coastal areas of North America. Later. Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ AMM ~ NRA ~ Lenape Society ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 00 22:12:16 EDT From: Concho Smith Subject: Re: [MtMan-List: Coconut used in the New world.] Hey Buck, I remember reading about coconut canteens, and day food containers that t= he French used in the North and in the colonies, forgot all about that. I'll= go to the library after work and see what we have in this Ma & Pa library he= re in PA. Thanks. Concho. - -------------------------------------------------- buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: Here's something for you craftsman like the Capt., Goebel, etc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FOR SALE The George Washington dipper from the spring near Valley Forge, Pennsylva= nis. Brass, fitted coconut shell, with long wooden handle to be auctioned off = at Christy's, only bids taken of over $5,000.00. Value estimated upwards of= over $10,000.00. Written authentication along with brassmaker's name, and the= year 1771. In family of the farm owners since the Revolution and proof of Gen= eral Washington's use of the ladel. Call for picture 804-361-9166. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is very interesting as members of a fur trade list we think of gourd= 's and their uses, but remember the French used coconut shells in the same w= ay when serving in this country; water containers, dipper (like the one abov= e), storage containers, etc. Anyone have any reference to coconut uses in the fur trade like those use= s in the F&I War and Rev. War just mentioned ??? Have read of coconut in the = east and on the west coast being used, was a big trade item on the coastal are= as of North America. Later. Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ AMM ~ NRA ~ Lenape Society ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:09:59 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire victims OFF TOPIC John Funk wrote: "Friends, As you are aware, there are some outrageous fires which are out of = control in many parts of the country. One fire in particular looms deadly in = the Bitterroot Valley of Montana. They're are many friends of the Hist List = and "brothers" to some of you, who reside in the valley. Talked with Bob Schmidt and Rick (Hawk) Hurst last night regarding their circumstances. Bob is not immediately threatened, apparently, as he = lives on the opposite side of the valley. He states he can see "many" fires = which are out of control along the mountain ridges west of the valley. Rick = is not as lucky. He and his family are preparing to evacuate. I had the privilege of staying with Rick and Tammi for a short while last year in their log home. They are on the west side of the Hamilton valley and = reside up a heavily wooded canyon. Things are not good for them right now. Keep them in your prayers. John Funk" John Keep us updated on the fires and how they effect Rick, Grandpa and the = others in the area and if there is anything we can do....besides pray. =20 Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:22:18 -0600 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I. Wilson knives Well, he got everyone all stirred up , then sorta forgot the whole thing cause he needed around $250.00 to get started. He had enough commitments to recoup his money, but just got cold feet. "Teton" Todd D. Glover Poison River Party - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:22:43 EDT From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mad hatters and use of mercury In order to use lesser quality or cheaper grades of fur to make hats, the mercury "carrot" was introduced in the eighteenth century. The surface of hair consists of a hard , keratin substance, similar to that of a finger nail but much finer. Before furs could be turned into felt, the keratin surface had to be destroyed. To do this, hair was soaked in a solution of salts of mercury, diluted in nitric acis. The development of this process allowed domestic sources of fur to become a fairly close substitute for beaver fur. (MuzzleBlasts, Jan. 1999. "From Pelt to Felt." p. 61) Jim Hardee, AMM#1676 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 2000 05:02:20 -0700 From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net Subject: Re: [MtMan-List: Coconut used in the New world.] Talked to Goose Bay Workshops, Peter Goebel last night, he called the phone number on this sale of Washington's dipper, turns out the owner is selling many items as he gets ready to enter a rest home, family members aren't into history whether it's family or otherwise. The location of the dipper is only a few hours away from GBW, so Peter has made an appointment to go see the dipper, handle it, photo, and it may be in next years catalog (a cousin per say - for sale). Later Buck. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Tue, 08 August 2000, Concho Smith wrote: > Hey Buck, > I remember reading about coconut canteens, and day food containers that the > French used in the North and in the colonies, forgot all about that. I'll go > to the library after work and see what we have in this Ma & Pa library here in > PA. > > Thanks. > Concho. > -------------------------------------------------- > buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: > Here's something for you craftsman like the Capt., Goebel, etc. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > FOR SALE > > The George Washington dipper from the spring near Valley Forge, Pennsylvanis. > Brass, fitted coconut shell, with long wooden handle to be auctioned off at > Christy's, only bids taken of over $5,000.00. Value estimated upwards of over > $10,000.00. Written authentication along with brassmaker's name, and the year > 1771. In family of the farm owners since the Revolution and proof of General > Washington's use of the ladel. Call for picture 804-361-9166. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This is very interesting as members of a fur trade list we think of gourd's > and their uses, but remember the French used coconut shells in the same way > when serving in this country; water containers, dipper (like the one above), > storage containers, etc. > > Anyone have any reference to coconut uses in the fur trade like those uses in > the F&I War and Rev. War just mentioned ??? Have read of coconut in the east > and on the west coast being used, was a big trade item on the coastal areas of > North America. > Later. > Buck Conner > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ AMM ~ NRA ~ Lenape Society ~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ > Aux Aliments de Pays! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Later. Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ AMM ~ NRA ~ Lenape Society ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ Aux Aliments de Pays! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:11:25 EDT From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Custom guns In a message dated 8/8/00 4:00:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NaugaMok@aol.com writes: << Hey, CT! By "Custom rifle" ya mean like the middle one in the July/Aug Muzzleloader "center fold" by Steve Lodding? >> Well that sure does qualify as a custom gun but what I mean by a custom gun is any gun that is built for you rather than a mass produced off the shelf retail type gun. My good reliable Traditions .50 cal flintlock was a non custom gun. If you bought one in your sportings good store it would look the same and be the same. My definition of a custom gun is one that is assembled and finsihed from parts to the individual taste and desires of the person that ordered it. And that does not mean it has to be fancy. The Tulle I ordered is being built with the right pull for my arm and shooting style. It is stocked with the wood I picked out. It will have a 38" barrel length (just the right length to fit in my gun rack in my truck without breaking glass and short enough to get thru the brush and woods where I hunt). But it is not a fancy gun like the one you refer to, my persona is a working man and I have ordered a plain servicable tool that can protect me, my family and put meat on the table. So I did not go for extra curly maple or fancy cherry etc. just plain maple with the grain running straight thru the wrist for strength. And I did not get brass or silver hardware just good old iron fittings that will wear well. The gun should go with my style. I sewed my own bag for it and the horn that will go with it is one I am carving myself. I carve the horn with my hunting knife and patch knife and vent pick well sitting between battles at forts or as a show and tell demo at events just as a bored (hurry up an wait) Rev War soldier my have done to pass the time. So yes it is a custom gun and I am paying to have it made my way but its not a center fold gun it is a Center Mark gun. YHOS C.T. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #604 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.