From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #626 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, September 16 2000 Volume 01 : Number 626 In this issue: -       RE: MtMan-List: leggin,s and hoss tack -       MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men -       Re: MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men -       MtMan-List: Symposium 2000 -       Re: MtMan-List: Symposium 2000 -       Re: MtMan-List: Symposium 2000 -       Re: MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men -       Re: MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men -       MtMan-List: huntin pal -       MtMan-List: strang pain killer -       Re: MtMan-List: strang pain killer -       Re: MtMan-List: Symposium 2000 -       MtMan-List: Stuff For Sale -       MtMan-List: For those Near Libby Montana.... -       Re: MtMan-List: Stuff For Sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Stuff For Sale -       Re: MtMan-List: strang pain killer -       MtMan-List: suitable wood -       Re: MtMan-List: Stuff For Sale -       Re: MtMan-List: American Fur Trade Chittenden 2 Vol. 1935 -       Re: MtMan-List: Stuff For Sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Stuff For Sale [off topic] -       Re: MtMan-List: American Fur Trade Chittenden 2 Vol. 1935 -       Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:45:43 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: leggin,s and hoss tack Ponyrider, Good points about the animal fat used on general purpose mountain man equipment. Joint oil from the knees and feet is a far more practical oil for ML purposes. That is shooting the ML with this oil on the patch. Period correct. On the northern plains and in the mountains. Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:08:47 GMT From: "Ethan Sudman" Subject: MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men What were the most common types of transportation for mountain men? What were the advantages and disadvantages of each? Thanks, Ethan Sudman (ethan_sudman@springmail.com) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:45:35 EDT From: Huss931@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men The mountain men used: mules (strength, endurance, speed) Robert Campbell would never use anything else even after he was a wealthy St. Louisian. riverboat (speed, ability to carry large loads; limited to selected rivers and time of year) subject to inspection bull-boats made from buffalo hides, hard to control, but okay for some river travel canoes/dugouts dugouts are easily made, fairly comfortable, hard to portage; canoes are more delicate, still comfortable and hard to portage; each allow carrying goods more easily horses speed, comfort (sometimes); can eat them if needed mules are tougher. Hope this helps. Steve - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:13:23 -0600 From: Todd Glover Subject: MtMan-List: Symposium 2000 Just wondering who's planning on attending the Fur Trade Symposium at Fort Union next week. Rick Williams and I are heading out on Wedensday with plans to drop by Chadron on the way. I hope to meet some of you folks just like last time in Pinedale. Let's hear from you. "Teton" Todd D. Glover Poison River Party - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:28:21 GMT From: "Chance Tiffie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Symposium 2000 Todd, I will be arriving in Williston on the night of the 19th, or early on the 20th. I will be traveling with Bob Schmidt, and meeting a few other brothers there. Hope to see you. Cliff Tiffie PO Box 5089 Durant, OK 74702 580-924-4187 - --------------------- Aux Aliments de Pays! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:12:43 EDT From: GHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Symposium 2000 tetontodd@juno.com writes: > Just wondering who's planning on attending the Fur Trade Symposium at > Fort Union next week.>> If all goes well I'll be there starting Wed. night. Look forward to meeting you. Ghosting Wolf aka Gene Hickman - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:27:08 -0700 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men ETHAN, Steve gave you a very good transportation list. I beg to differ in only one respect. I disagree that canoes were difficult to portage. The canoes of the Eastern tribes were covered with bark, which made them fragile but it also made them light. One man could carry a Northern canoe and two or three could manage a huge Montreal canoe. They might be difficult to maneuver but I'm sure they weighed less than the packs the rest of the brigade was carrying. Respectfully, Larry Huber - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men > The mountain men used: > > mules (strength, endurance, speed) Robert Campbell would never use anything > else even after he was a wealthy St. Louisian. > > riverboat (speed, ability to carry large loads; limited to selected rivers > and time of year) subject to inspection > > bull-boats made from buffalo hides, hard to control, but okay for some > river travel > > canoes/dugouts dugouts are easily made, fairly comfortable, hard to portage; > canoes are more delicate, still comfortable and hard to portage; each allow > carrying goods more easily > > horses speed, comfort (sometimes); can eat them if needed mules are > tougher. > > Hope this helps. > > Steve > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:41:10 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Huber" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:27 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men > ETHAN, > Steve gave you a very good transportation list Larry added a couple good points to consider but I wonder how much Birch Bark Canoes were used up and down the rivers on what would become the American side of the boarder. Not that they weren't used but even David Thompson (British) had to build plank boats (bateau's) to continue down the Columbia because of a lack of suitable birch that far west. I believe that along with the boats mentioned, there were far more plank built boats in the form of the classic bateau in various sizes used compared to the number of dugouts, bull boats, etc. There are shipping records that show pitch pine and oakum being sent to the Rendezvous and trading posts and the primary use of those two items is in the sealing of the seams of a plank built boat. I remain... Respectfully YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:30:23 GMT From: "larry sherman" Subject: MtMan-List: huntin pal Names Larry Sherman, live in Sedro-Woolley, Washington. I would like to git in touch with some mountain folk from Washington, do some huntin an some jaw'n, learn somethin new. Please contact. e-mail: ljs97@hotmail.com phone: 360-856-4605 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:52:26 GMT From: "larry sherman" Subject: MtMan-List: strang pain killer An old scottsman one told me if I had a split lip or nuckle pain to rub a slug on it. It seems the slime acts like a sort of novacain. I never tried it, but wonder if it's true. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:36:59 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: strang pain killer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry sherman" To: Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 1:52 AM Subject: MtMan-List: strang pain killer > An old scottsman one told me if I had a split lip or nuckle pain to rub a > slug on it. It seems the slime acts like a sort of novacain. I never tried > it, but wonder if it's true. Larry, Don't know if it's true or not but I would imagine you will find out fast enough if you slip and fall on any sidewalk in your neigborhood. Can't help but put your face into a herd of slugs on your side of the mountains. From "almost but not quite completely slug free" dry Eastern WA. I remain.... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:21:38 -0600 From: Joe Brandl Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Symposium 2000 I am going and looking for a great time joe Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture 307-455-2440 New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:11:56 -0700 From: "Bruce S. de Lis" Subject: MtMan-List: Stuff For Sale I have several item for sale, that if you would like information on please contact me off list. 1 Two Cotton Long Sleeved Shirts suitable for Rendezvous, Friendship, Buckskinning etc. or? Both Size 46 One is Blue, & One Red New Condition, will sell both. 2. Throwing Knife & Hawk made by The Famous Beaver Bills Forge Works- In Ohio. Both Weight Approx. 14-1/2 ounces each, and comply with Weight, Size, Size of Blade Proportion Legal for NMLRA Competition (NMLRA Competition Legal). Like New Condition. Also included are two Extra Hawk Handles. Will Not Break Apart, Only Sold as SET... 3. 60 Extra 3/4=94 English Gun Flints Fits Large Siler, L & R Classic, Type Locks. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:50:03 -0700 From: Lee Newbill Subject: MtMan-List: For those Near Libby Montana.... Friends; What sounds like a really neat symposium is coming up next weekend, I'd be going, but I have duties as a Best Man in a friend's wedding that weekend.... ARGGHHH! One of their guest speakers is Jack Nisbett, Author of Sources of the River =93Tracking David Thompson across Western North America=94 Anyhow... here's the info..... Windows on the Past Explorers, Trappers, and Traders of the Kootenai and Clark Fork Rivers Symposium Sponsored by the Kootenai National Forest & Seattle District, Corps of Engineers September 22-24th, 2000 Point of Contact: Becky Timmons, 406-293-6211, email: btimmons@fs.fed.us - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:51:12 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Stuff For Sale Ok, Bruce, I'll bite again- what are you asking for the flints and what kind (and color) are they? mike. "Bruce S. de Lis" wrote: > I have several item for sale, that if you would like information on > please contact me off list. > > 1 Two Cotton Long Sleeved Shirts suitable for Rendezvous, Friendship, > Buckskinning etc. or? Both Size 46 One is Blue, & One Red New > Condition, will sell both. > > 2. Throwing Knife & Hawk made by The Famous Beaver Bills Forge Works- > In Ohio. Both Weight Approx. 14-1/2 ounces each, and comply with > Weight, Size, Size of Blade Proportion Legal for NMLRA Competition > (NMLRA Competition Legal). Like New Condition. Also included are two > Extra Hawk Handles. Will Not Break Apart, Only Sold as SET... > > 3. 60 Extra 3/4=94 English Gun Flints Fits Large Siler, L & R Classic= , > Type Locks. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:17:23 -0700 From: "Bruce S. de Lis" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Stuff For Sale 60 Extra 3/4=94 English Gun Flints Fits Large Siler, L & R Classic, Type Locks. $45.00 Deliver Color is Dark Bluish Grey Mike Moore wrote: > Ok, Bruce, > I'll bite again- what are you asking for the flints > and what kind (and color) are they? > mike. > > "Bruce S. de Lis" wrote: > > > I have several item for sale, that if you would like information on > > please contact me off list. > > > > 1 Two Cotton Long Sleeved Shirts suitable for Rendezvous, Friendshi= p, > > Buckskinning etc. or? Both Size 46 One is Blue, & One Red New > > Condition, will sell both. > > > > 2. Throwing Knife & Hawk made by The Famous Beaver Bills Forge Works= - - > > In Ohio. Both Weight Approx. 14-1/2 ounces each, and comply with > > Weight, Size, Size of Blade Proportion Legal for NMLRA Competition > > (NMLRA Competition Legal). Like New Condition. Also included are tw= o > > Extra Hawk Handles. Will Not Break Apart, Only Sold as SET... > > > > 3. 60 Extra 3/4=94 English Gun Flints Fits Large Siler, L & R Class= ic, > > Type Locks. > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.ht= ml > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:35:30 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: strang pain killer Any old scottsman (or any other coon) who could stomach slug slime on the lips probly wouldn't be bothered by a spit lip or knuckle! :) - -HikingOnThru - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:32:02 GMT From: "larry sherman" Subject: MtMan-List: suitable wood I have read several articals on what type of wood is good for bows, but none of the woods are common or even present in Washington state. I would like to know what types of wood common to Washington are good for biulding bows. Larry _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 06:27:35 -0700 From: Buck Conner Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Stuff For Sale On Fri, 15 September 2000, "Bruce S. de Lis" wrote: > > I have several item for sale, that if you would like information on > please contact me off list. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bruce, Why not list your wares on the trade lists the rest of us use, they are free and you'll have a better chance of moving your goods. http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb106703 http://www.klesinger.com/forums/Trade_Blanket/ http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Geyser/3216/trader.htm http://www.tradersblanket.com/ http://www.auctionarms.com/PostItem/AuctionItem.cfm At times have used all of these with very good success and fast results for clearing the shelves, plus you'll get more people with an interest in what you have and not tie up this hist_list. Good Luck. Following our ancestors, Barry "Buck" Conner Resource & Documentation for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers, before production". ________________________________________HRD__ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 06:33:11 -0700 From: Concho Subject: Re: MtMan-List: American Fur Trade Chittenden 2 Vol. 1935 On Wed, 13 September 2000, Buck Conner wrote: > > On Wed, 13 September 2000, James Lockmiller wrote: > > > > > > > > > Here is another set of old fur trade books that I found on Ebay. > >
Manbear > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=431437403 > > ANYONE INTERESTED IN THIS SET SHOULDN'T SPEND OVER $45-$50 AS THE DUST COVERS ARE POOR, A SET IN GOOD CONDITION WILL BRING $10 MORE/ AROUND $65. > > > Following our ancestors, > > Barry "Buck" Conner - --------------------------------------------- Just picked up this set at a used book store for $62.00 in good condition, 1st edition. In the footsteps of others, D. L. "Concho" Smith Historical Advisor for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers, before production". ________________________________________HRD__ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 06:39:24 -0700 From: Concho Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Stuff For Sale On Sat, 16 September 2000, Buck Conner wrote: > > On Fri, 15 September 2000, "Bruce S. de Lis" wrote: > > > > > I have several item for sale, that if you would like information on > > please contact me off list. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Bruce, > > Why not list your wares on the trade lists the rest of us use, they are free and you'll have a better chance of moving your goods. > > http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb106703 > > http://www.klesinger.com/forums/Trade_Blanket/ > > http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Geyser/3216/trader.htm > > http://www.tradersblanket.com/ > > http://www.auctionarms.com/PostItem/AuctionItem.cfm > > At times have used all of these with very good success and fast results for clearing the shelves, plus you'll get more people with an interest in what you have and not tie up this hist_list. > > Good Luck. > > > Following our ancestors, > > Barry "Buck" Conner - ------------------------------------ Good point, you listed a few I have not tried before, thanks. Hear your headin' out again according to the little gal that covers for you while your on the road - she said the islands south of Florida ? She mentioned something about looking at items from a sailing ship wreck, now what are you doing ! In the footsteps of others, D. L. "Concho" Smith Historical Advisor for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers, before production". ________________________________________HRD__ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 09:08:20 -0700 From: Buck Conner Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Stuff For Sale [off topic] > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Bruce, > > > > Why not list your wares on the trade lists the rest of us use, they are free and you'll have a better chance of moving your goods. > > > > http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb106703 > > > > http://www.klesinger.com/forums/Trade_Blanket/ > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Geyser/3216/trader.htm > > > > http://www.tradersblanket.com/ > > > > http://www.auctionarms.com/PostItem/AuctionItem.cfm > > > > At times have used all of these with very good success and fast results for clearing the shelves, plus you'll get more people with an interest in what you have and not tie up this hist_list. > > > > Good Luck. > > > > > > Following our ancestors, > > > > Barry "Buck" Conner > ------------------------------------ > > Good point, you listed a few I have not tried before, thanks. > > Hear your headin' out again according to the little gal that covers for you while your on the road - she said the islands south of Florida ? She mentioned something about looking at items from a sailing ship wreck, now what are you doing ! > > > In the footsteps of others, > > D. L. "Concho" Smith ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ These lists really get attention, and they work; have listed items on Friday afternoon and am sold out by noon on Sunday. That's if it's not main events going on that has pulled many away from the lists. Yea, headin' south for the Disneyland Cruise, Mrs. wanted to do that one, and I agreed if we could take a few days to visit Capt. John Abbott at his place in the Bamaha's and see his collection of recovered sailing ship items from the hey day of that period. Pretty good deal - she gets what she wants and I get to see the neat stuff from the old ships, looks like a win, win deal. Plus may get to kick one big fat mouse's ass on the way, never did like him - always bad mouthing the other characters, only kidding Dennis and Lanney - he's your hero. Following our ancestors, Barry "Buck" Conner Resource & Documentation for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers, before production". ________________________________________HRD__ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:16:31 EDT From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: American Fur Trade Chittenden 2 Vol. 1935 In a message dated 9/16/00 6:34:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, concho@uswestmail.net writes: << > > ANYONE INTERESTED IN THIS SET SHOULDN'T SPEND OVER $45-$50 AS THE DUST COVERS ARE POOR, A SET IN GOOD CONDITION WILL BRING $10 MORE/ AROUND $65.> > > >> If you're just intrested in Chittenden's information, not in getting an origional copy, reprints are available from Amazon.Com for about $18 per volume. Wife just got me Vol 2 to finish my set. NM - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:12:49 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood It had to be yew. John... At 08:32 AM 9/16/00 +0000, you wrote: >I have read several articals on what type of wood is good for bows, but >none of the woods are common or even present in Washington state. I would >like to know what types of wood common to Washington are good for biulding >bows. > >Larry >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #626 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.