From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #627 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, September 17 2000 Volume 01 : Number 627 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood -       RE: MtMan-List: suitable wood -       MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men -       Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood -       Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood -       RE: MtMan-List: suitable wood -       MtMan-List: metis/gary -       Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood -       Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood -       MtMan-List: transport for mt man -       MtMan-List: Swan Shot -       Re: MtMan-List: Swan Shot -       RE: MtMan-List: Swan Shot -       RE: MtMan-List: metis/gary -       RE: MtMan-List: suitable wood -       Re: MtMan-List: Swan Shot -       Re: MtMan-List: Swan Shot -       RE: MtMan-List: Swan Shot -       Re: MtMan-List: Swan Shot -       MtMan-List: rendevous -       RE: MtMan-List: Swan Shot -       RE: MtMan-List: rendevous -       Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood -       MtMan-List: beginnings of the mountain men -       Re: MtMan-List: beginnings of the mountain men -       Re: MtMan-List: American Fur Trade Chittenden 2 Vol. 1935 -       Re: MtMan-List: American Fur Trade Chittenden 2 Vol. 1935 -       RE: MtMan-List: beginnings of the mountain men -       RE: MtMan-List: beginnings of the mountain men ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:43:38 EDT From: GHickman@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood > I have read several articals on what type of wood is good for bows, but > >none of the woods are common or even present in Washington state.>> Try Yew or Vine Maple. Vine Maple has been the "rage" with some. Have also found walnut and ash, with occassionally locust and mulberry being cut out of yards. YMOS Ghosting Wolf - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 11:46:27 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: suitable wood The most common bow wood from here Montana to there Washington is Chokecherry. Yew is difficult to find and expensive. Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 02:20:55 -0600 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Transportation for mountain men This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C01F84.BE2035E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Steve gave you a very good transportation list. I beg to in = only one respect." He claimed "horses speed, comfort (sometimes); can eat them if needed mules are = tougher." I do not have an original source but I understood that the Apache ate = mules but not horses, hense maybe they preferred the taste. Myself I = have both but doubt I will ever find out which is better eating since I = made that mistake of naming them. Sides I kinda like that baby mule. So Steve how you know that mules are tougher? Taste like chicken? YMOS WY=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C01F84.BE2035E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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- ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C01F84.BE2035E0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:19:03 -0500 From: "jdearing" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood > I have read several articals on what type of wood is good for bows, but none > of the woods are common or even present in Washington state. I would like to > know what types of wood common to Washington are good for biulding bows. > There are quite a few good woods for bows. Oak, Hickory, Osage(bodark, hedge apple) red mulberry, yew, vinemaple, pecan, red cedar, just to mention a few. Try the folk at the stickbow site; http://www.bowsite.org/stickbow/tf/threads.cfm?forum=19,1,4 Or, try this one for your first bow, http://residents.bowhunting.net/sticknstring/brdbows.html Bows made from hardwood boards are as good as any, and boards are MUCH less expensive and MUCH easier to work than staves. J.D. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:34:07 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood Larry, Though I am not an accomplished bow maker I know the following woods may be obtained naturally in WA. Yew, Locust, Cedar, Juniper, and there may be some others that don't come to mind. Hope that helps. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:33:58 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: suitable wood Hi John, I have been making bows like the one on the second link below since 1955. The problem with this method of making a bow is it is not period correct. Chokecherry, Vinemaple, Yew, or board can be use to make horse bows backed with sinew that would be pc in most the area covered by the mountain men. That is a good rendition of bow making in the late 40s and early 50s. I would still say that Chokecherry would make a good pc bow in Washington. Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - -----Original Message----- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of jdearing Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 2:19 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood > I have read several articals on what type of wood is good for bows, but none > of the woods are common or even present in Washington state. I would like to > know what types of wood common to Washington are good for biulding bows. > There are quite a few good woods for bows. Oak, Hickory, Osage(bodark, hedge apple) red mulberry, yew, vinemaple, pecan, red cedar, just to mention a few. Try the folk at the stickbow site; http://www.bowsite.org/stickbow/tf/threads.cfm?forum=19,1,4 Or, try this one for your first bow, http://residents.bowhunting.net/sticknstring/brdbows.html Bows made from hardwood boards are as good as any, and boards are MUCH less expensive and MUCH easier to work than staves. J.D. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:38:59 MDT From: "Terrance Luff" Subject: MtMan-List: metis/gary walt" i was there and gary make a great present of metis.i injoyed the talk it was history correct and presented to the unkowning people super. i was the one that wanted to hold garys coat while he cooled off,with only good uses in mined for metis flock coat."on my back"!! i could not see were the blonde ladys talk had anything to do with the fur trade let a lone the metis. i am sorry i butted in. i should of shut up and just ground my teeth together{i am not good at that}. was going to sneek up on you but the two that i thought might be you splite up out side{i am in the shadows }. allways watch the back that were i like it. ponyrider _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:44:42 -0500 From: "jdearing" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood > I have been making bows like the one on the second link below since 1955. > The problem with this method of making a bow is it is not period correct. > Chokecherry, Vinemaple, Yew, or board can be use to make horse bows backed > with sinew that would be pc in most the area covered by the mountain men. > That is a good rendition of bow making in the late 40s and early 50s. I > would still say that Chokecherry would make a good pc bow in Washington. > > > Yep Walt, chokecherry will make a pretty good bow, as will any medium hard wood to hard wood...if the bow is designed with the limitations of that species of wood in mind. i.e brittleness, flexibility, properties of compression and tension, and a couple of other properties I can't think of at the moment. Board bows are not pc, in any way shape or form, however, using boards for bowstaves is probably the easiest way to go for a first time bowyer. And no, most folks wouldn't know a board bow from a stave bow if they were hit over the head with it. I only mentioned making bow from boards as a means for a beginer to get started. A first step to a 100% pc primitive bow. Gotta walk before you can run. J.D. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 2000 19:46:24 -0700 From: Buck Conner Subject: Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood Back East we use to use "Osage Orange", "Cherry" and any "berry" type of tree for good bows, some of the other hardwoods would split if pulled to far when compare to those mention above. Now in the West we have used again "Osage Orange", "Cherry" and "Hackberry" which seems to work very nicely being a straight grained wood. Have had a "Chokecherry" bow but the couple I have had where old and was afraid to put much strain on them like Walt does. A local bow maker - writer, Ken Wee uses chokecherry a lot, have taken several of his classes and he real braggs about its qualities. Following our ancestors, Barry "Buck" Conner Resource & Documentation for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers, before production". ________________________________________HRD__ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:54:40 MDT From: "Terrance Luff" Subject: MtMan-List: transport for mt man maybe just a few words from book ref. and from an ole horse, muleman, reading joe meeks travels ,thought trip threw paradise,ect. there are alot of referance s to mule s {rockymountain canarys}{rockymountain camals} being used. horse needlles to cover. bull boats were used alot by differant men coming down stream . bull boats tyed together carry pelts and goods and make a steader ride instead of one bull boat. in montana fort rose and fort union would be were easy traval with conoo would end ether upstream or downstream. we can not forget the foot travel which was done on a steady time lapes. a good mule is best for steady everyday packing or riding. a old type breed of mule was not as fast as a horse.a good mule will not hurt it self and most of the time knows when to quit. a good horse will run untel it drops then you can run the rest the of way to get help or save your skin.i ridding and packed both the mule seems to keeps footing beter in mountains. you can make better time with horse and not have side ack .As for eating willllll i like both to be on the young side.both make pretty good steaks.don't forget alot of euro countrys injoy horse meet as the indians did in slim times. and alot of books ref. eating horse meat. hiverant metis billings,mt _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:48:20 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: MtMan-List: Swan Shot Hello the Camp, Anyone out there have any experience with "swan shot"? From making it to using it. Thanks, Allen in Fort Hall country. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:03:59 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Swan Shot Allen, Done both. Like it. If the lead is too hot or doesn't have far enough to fall to the water you won't get nice round shot with tails: but, mis-shapen flattened shrapnel. I use a tablespoon with a bunch of holes (of an appropriate size) punched in the bowl. It is not a pretty tool -- it is not a pretty load. Rips and tears as it tumbles in flight; doesn't hold tight patterns over distance. I use dry over powder and greasy scraps of buckskin for wadding, when I need it I run a round ball down on top of a shot load. John... At 10:48 PM 9/16/00 -0600, you wrote: >Hello the Camp, > >Anyone out there have any experience with "swan shot"? From making it to >using it. > >Thanks, > >Allen in Fort Hall country. > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 03:49:15 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Swan Shot Hello the Camp, Anyone out there have any experience with "swan shot"? From making it to using it. Thanks, Allen in Fort Hall country. Hi Allen, I have made and used swan shot since the mid 70s. Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 03:49:20 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: metis/gary Hi Ponyrider, Glad you could make it. Brain pressure always makes me want to head out. Gary did a great job of representing the Metis. Good stuff. Quite the blonde. Walt - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 03:49:18 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: suitable wood Another bow wood that should be common to Washington is Ash. Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2000 07:43:54 -0700 From: Buck Conner Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Swan Shot On Sat, 16 September 2000, Allen Hall wrote: > > Hello the Camp, > > Anyone out there have any experience with "swan shot"? From making it to > using it. > > Thanks, > > Allen in Fort Hall country. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We have used swan shot for 30 years, have made it for close to that. Easiest I have found is to use a large serving spoon with holes drilled in the bowl (have to play around with size as the holes will grow smaller with lead gathering around the edges), heat will be another thing that you'll learn to control after a short period of time. Have tried using larger and smaller containers, even a cast iron frying pan(thinking we could make a large amount faster) with 5' angle iron legs on it, with shot passing through a screen half way down to the water bucket (a hell of a mess after a while), the best is due small amounts - it's easier. The shot acts much different than round shot, lots of tearing, blood wounds, etc. - not like modern shot, poor patterns, touchy for distance, etc. If you want to be period correct use it, if you want game on a regular schedule - use round shot and carry a small bag of swan for the camp fire lectures. Goose Bay Workshops carries swan shot in small pillow ticking bags, if you just want to have some to carry that would be the fastest and easiest way to go. Following our ancestors, Barry "Buck" Conner Resource & Documentation for: ______________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT "Research & field trials in the manner of our forefathers, before production". ________________________________________HRD__ Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 08:36:04 -0700 From: "Poorboy" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Swan Shot Klahowya My Friends, Lots of good general information on this topic. Can anyone offer a few more specifics i.e.: a good size hole to start with in the spoon, a good distance to start holding the spoon from the water, do you lock the spoon in one position and ladle the hot led to the spoon, cautions have been offered as to the best temperature of the lead, what is a good temperature range? Thank you in advance for your time and efforts. YMOS PoorBoy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:58:18 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Swan Shot > > Hello the Camp, > > Anyone out there have any experience with "swan shot"? From making it to > using it. Thanks, Allen in Fort Hall country. Allen, I do not use any special equipment to make so called swan shot except the same lead ladle that I use to melt lead from the camp fire and pour from into my round ball mold blocks. I free pour the molten lead over the edge of the ladle into water. Remelt the bigger stuff. I do not try to make up pounds and pounds of the stuff. I run just enough for what I think are my immediate needs. Ron Tewalt makes swan shot. He makes lots of it. Hand picks out the odd ball stuff and ends up with a consistence mixture of sizes. Very nice stuff. My experience in using swan shot out of a rifle with a low powder charge on grouse at close range has been pretty good in terms of results. The swan shot works better out of my trade gun which is 24 gauge. Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:54:01 -0500 From: "jdearing" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Swan Shot > > Anyone out there have any experience with "swan shot"? From making it to > > using it. > > > > > We have used swan shot for 30 years, have made it for close to that. Easiest I have found is to use a large serving spoon with holes drilled in the bowl (have to play around with size as the holes will grow smaller with lead gathering around the edges), heat will be another thing that you'll learn to control after a short period of time. Have tried using larger and smaller containers, even a cast iron frying pan(thinking we could make a large amount faster) with 5' angle iron legs on it, with shot passing through a screen half way down to the water bucket (a hell of a mess after a while), the best is due small amounts - it's easier. > > The shot acts much different than round shot, lots of tearing, blood wounds, etc. - not like modern shot, poor patterns, touchy for distance, etc. If you want to be period correct use it, if you want game on a regular schedule - use round shot and carry a small bag of swan for the camp fire lectures. Goose Bay Workshops carries swan shot in small pillow ticking bags, if you just want to have some to carry that would be the fastest and easiest way to go. > > I have had fair luck making "swan droppings", swan shot was a size of shot, not a type of shot, by punching holes in the bottom of a tin can. I ended up punching four more holes about half way up the side of the can to insert two wires to support a baffle with about half the number of holes as the bottom of the can. Got more good usable shot that way. I suspended the can about 4-6 inches over the water and slowly poured HOT lead into the can. The best I could get was about 60-70% good shot to the balance of flat misshapen junk. Separating the good from the junk took more time than making the rig and pouring the shot. Next time, I think I'll use a coffee can with holes punched in the bottom and filled with hot coals, and drop the shot somewhere between 5 and 15 feet. Nasty stuff to get hit with, and produces nasty wounds. Good game getter though, I haven't lost a single squirrel hit with this stuff. Had to shoot a couple a second time, but I had plenty of time to reload as the squirrels seemed to be in shock, and didn't run very far before hunkering down on a limb. Anyone else experience anything like this. How about loading the shot in paper cartridges? Might not be pc, but should improve patterns quite a bit. J.D. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:03:34 MDT From: "Terrance Luff" Subject: MtMan-List: rendevous ho camp!! hiverant metis are thinking of haveing a metis rondy. what is the most poplar event in your rendevous area. would like to get from other area s so we can look at something new. sure would like your input, you the silent reader to! hiverant metis p.o. 31222 billings, mt59101 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:54:28 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Swan Shot JD, you and Buck seem to be getting very different results than I do by using small amounts working over the campfire. In my opinion, small is beautiful this case. Sounds like you guys are building a shot tower VBG. For you who are interested. Try my way and then use thin blanket patching. I use less than a 1/2 ounce of shot out of my shot scoop and pour the shot in my palm on top of the thin blanket material for wad patch. I twist the patch closed and insert the twist first. All this seems period correct to me. Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:57:25 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: rendevous ho camp!! hiverant metis are thinking of haveing a metis rondy. what is the most poplar event in your rendevous area. would like to get from other area s so we can look at something new. sure would like your input, you the silent reader to! Ponyrider, You hold the event near Lewistown, the heart of Montana Metis Country and I think you have the making of a great event. The more of the old time skills represented the better. Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:35:26 -0700 From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: suitable wood larry sherman wrote: > I have read several articals on what type of wood is good for bows, but none > of the woods are common or even present in Washington state. For what it's worth..... According to "Indians of Idaho", by D. Walker, the Kutenai bows were of wild cherry or cedar, and reinforced with sinew (page 48). The Nez Perce (who wandered Oregon and Washington) favored Syringa and Yew (page 79), these were also backed with sinew as were the bows of the Couer D'Alene, Kalispel, and Kutenai. Regards from Idaho Lee Newbill - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:35:18 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: MtMan-List: beginnings of the mountain men The Montana Archaeological Society, federal, state, corporate and private co-sponsors are pleased to present you with the Montana Archaeology Week 2000 poster. This year Becky Timmons, Kootenai National Forest Archaeologist, was responsible for the design and production of the Archaeology week 2000 poster on behalf of the Montana Archaeological Society. The illustration itself is copyrighted to the Jesuit Archives, St. Jerome, Quebec, Canada -ASJCF. Bureau of Indian Affairs, Montana Bureau of Land Management, Montana Ethnoscience Inc., Billings Ethos Consultants, Havre GCM Services Inc., Butte Montana Archaeological Society Montana Department of Transportation Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks, Parks Division Museum of the Rockies U.S.D.A. Forest Service, Northern Region Western Cultural, Missoula Williston Basin Interstate Pipeline Company Montana Historical Society, State Historic Preservation Office Clark Bottom Rendezvous completed a week of presentations including current activities around Pomp's Pillar a crown jewel in the history of Lewis and Clark. Look for Japan and the grain growers association to construct mammoth grain silos along with a railroad siding that will dominate the landscape erasing the one mark of the Corp of Discovery known all over the world as a symbol of the American dream of independence. To bad more mountain men do not live in Montana. It takes man power to over come this visual pollution factor that would push this bicentennial history into the background. If any of you would like to see a autocad representation of how big this phallic symbol thrust up above the historic landmark. I will send you one off line. Talking about history Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:58:08 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones Subject: Re: MtMan-List: beginnings of the mountain men You aren't referring to Pumpelly's Pillar in Glacier National Park, are you? That's by Two Medicine Lake heading out to Dawson Pass. Either way, I still detest commercial development since WE still have to scrabble for a living ANYWAY. - --- Walt Foster wrote: > Clark Bottom Rendezvous completed a week of > presentations including current > activities around Pomp's Pillar a crown jewel in the > history of Lewis and > Clark. Look for Japan and the grain growers > association to construct > mammoth grain silos along with a railroad siding > that will dominate the > landscape erasing the one mark of the Corp of > Discovery known all over the > world as a symbol of the American dream of > independence. ===== defstones "Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past, Wisdom is of the future." - -Native American Proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:59:45 -0400 From: tom roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: American Fur Trade Chittenden 2 Vol. 1935 Ratcliff wrote: > The Chittenden set is available in paperback for about $25. The set is full of good stuff. Gen. Chittenden was in the Corps of Engineers and laid out the roads in Yellowstone Park. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:02:58 -0400 From: tom roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: American Fur Trade Chittenden 2 Vol. 1935 Oops! I hit "send" before adding my comment that the set on Ebay just went for $98. That will buy lot's of other things after getting the paperback version. Thanks for the tip! Tom tom roberts wrote: > Ratcliff wrote: > > > The Chittenden set is available in paperback for about $25. The set is full of good stuff. Gen. Chittenden was in the Corps of Engineers and laid out the roads in Yellowstone Park". - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:27:18 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: beginnings of the mountain men You aren't referring to Pumpelly's Pillar in Glacier National Park, are you? That's by Two Medicine Lake heading out to Dawson Pass. Either way, I still detest commercial development since WE still have to scrabble for a living ANYWAY. ===== defstones I refer to Pomp's Pillar located along the Yellowstone River in Montana. It was a known landmark to the mountain men but it is best known for it's history associated with Captain William A. Clark on July 25, 1806. It would be a great place to hold a mountain man camp. I have reduced the picture to a gif format set in 1-7. It is a good perspective and shows what will be the polluted view, if erected. They can move the location a few miles in either direction. They made their building move without the required permits. Walt ORMC 1836-1837 Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:32:56 -0700 (PDT) From: S Jones Subject: RE: MtMan-List: beginnings of the mountain men Thanks for your reply. have not been along that stretch of the Yellowstone River yet. Will search out the journals and read it again for the first time. Hope you or others succeed in staging a camp for Metis and Mountain Men. > I refer to Pomp's Pillar located along the > Yellowstone River in Montana. It > was a known landmark to the mountain men but it is > best known for it's > history associated with Captain William A. Clark on > July 25, 1806. > > It would be a great place to hold a mountain man > camp. I have reduced the > picture to a gif format set in 1-7. It is a good > perspective and shows what > will be the polluted view, if erected. They can > move the location a few > miles in either direction. They made their building > move without the > required permits. > > Walt > ORMC 1836-1837 > Yellowstone Canoe Camp > On the Lewis & Clark Trail > Park City, Montana > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ===== defstones "Seek wisdom, not knowledge. Knowledge is of the past, Wisdom is of the future." - -Native American Proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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