From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #690 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, December 10 2000 Volume 01 : Number 690 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes -       Re: MtMan-List: She's nakid! -       Re: MtMan-List: She's nakid! -       Re: MtMan-List: Wire Coat Hangers -       RE: MtMan-List: She's nakid! -       RE: MtMan-List: "Cultural Appropriation" -       RE: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes -       Re: MtMan-List: please take me off the list -       RE: MtMan-List: "Cultural Appropriation" -       RE: MtMan-List: "Cultural Appropriation" -       Re: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes -       RE: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes -       Re: MtMan-List: Period Instrument Picks -       Re: MtMan-List: Period Instrument Picks -       Re: MtMan-List: She's nakid! -       Re: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes -       Re: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes -       Re: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes -       MtMan-List: Miss. Stuff -       Re: MtMan-List: Miss. Stuff -       MtMan-List: cultural appropriation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:22:21 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes Jim, Sorry I didn't get back to you any sooner but what you ordered is what is described in the Ben Hunt book. He calls them Alaskan Eskimo Snow Shoes but it probably don't matter all that much as long as they are wood and rawhide. I have a pair of "Alaskan" shoes and "Ojibway" shoes as shown on that Adirondack web site. I generally always use the Alaskans as they have slightly more carrying cap. I also use an "Indian hitch" as described in the Ben Hunt Book to fasten the shoes to my feet rather than the leather strap and buckle system that is normally sold. I also like to use them with puckertoe/centerseam/vamped brain tan mocs rather than rubber shoe packs. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:22:08 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: She's nakid! Hallo Dennis, <> That's funny....A while back Buck asked me if I had any I'd let go! ....din't know you got his... I've been terrorizing critters for about 30 years with a bow, but have been out smarted more often than not....still great fun! Ymos, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:01:51 -0500 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: She's nakid! Magpie I got it and I am a keepin' it.. I had always shot recurves... Got my first "good" one back in 1971, a #55 pound pull from Herters in Minn. While on vacation... $125. Alot of dinero for an 11 yr old. Man, did I have to work my butt off that Summer.. (My Dad was a Surveyer & Civil Engineer and I was a "chain boy" which included driving iron spikes in pavement, tote'n stuff, chopping thru weeds and anything else he didn't want to do.... Come to think about it, I paid for that bow for several years..) I have taked several deer with that bow, and still use it on occassion, but the self bow has stolen my heart.. D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:31:25 -0800 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wire Coat Hangers I agree. Of course I assume Glenn's friend was a trader and had a rack of capotes hung up for sale. I've seen wire coat hangers in traders' tents for that purpose...and I've seen sticks and cord used the same way. Depends on the Rendezvous rules. Also, the friend seemed embarrassed by the "modern" intrusion into the period world. I thought it showed concern and a desire to learn. I learned something by Glenn's post and would like to know more. Got any pictures? Larry Huber - ----- Original Message ----- From: Addison Miller To: Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 6:32 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wire Coat Hangers > Once again we fall back on... "Whats in my tent is nobodys business..." If > some dog soldier wants to come into my tent (not dianond fly, etc... but > TENT), and inspect whats in there, then they are gonna have a fight on their > hands. Outside where the public or other reenactors can see, I am period as > can be. > > Ad Miller > Alderson, WV > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:38:32 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: She's nakid! She's nakid, beautiful, and on the cover of "Instinctive Archer" magazine... well, mebbe "bare" is a better word. The bow was built for me by Dean Torges out of osage, and backed with bamboo. For a self bow, it's a rocket launcher, and primitive enough for most rendezvous... Now if I could just learn to shoot!... Ymos, Magpie Magpie, Bring that bow along with your archery tackle for that bow over here and I will bet I can make a better shooter out of you overnight. Big gamble huh? Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Clark Bottom Rendezvous Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:38:34 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: "Cultural Appropriation" In a message dated 12/5/0 03:36:39 PM, deafstones@yahoo.com writes: <> Love It!! R. James Hello Deafstones and R. James, Where are you seeing this kind of activity? Walt Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Clark Bottom Rendezvous Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:42:13 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes I generally always use the Alaskans as they have slightly more carrying cap. I also use an "Indian hitch" as described in the Ben Hunt Book to fasten the shoes to my feet rather than the leather strap and buckle system that is normally sold. I also like to use them with puckertoe/centerseam/vamped brain tan mocs rather than rubber shoe packs. Capt. Lahti' Hello Capt', I like the way you have your snowshoes set up. The big long so called Alaskan or trail snowshoe was the only one I found that would carry my weight and a quarter of elk. Over deep soft snow as can be found on the front range of the mountains around the Original Lewis and Clark pass near Alice Creek and Green Mountain. The one where they said they could see the cloud moisture of the 5 great falls of the Missouri about 80 miles away. Good hunting. Walt Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Clark Bottom Rendezvous Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 21:54:02 From: "Matthew Hawley" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: please take me off the list
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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:58:22 -0800 (PST) From: S Jones Subject: RE: MtMan-List: "Cultural Appropriation" - --- Walt Foster wrote: > Hello Deafstones and R. James, > > Where are you seeing this kind of activity? > > Walt > Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 > Clark Bottom Rendezvous > Yellowstone Canoe Camp > On the Lewis & Clark Trail > Park City, Montana The two High Plains NMLRA National Rendezvouses held in Camp Jordaan by Larned, KS. The first in 1985 put on by the Jedediah Smith Muzzling Club of Dodge City, Kansas where I was a first time visitor. Twas the best Rendezvous I've ever attended and I joined that club though I lived 90 miles away. The second one sponsored by the Kansas Muzzleloading Association; I was on the work crew then. Another good run run by a different crew and philosophy. A few regional ones in Kansas and one in Northwest Oklahoma. The second National is the one I was referring to. No names of witnesses will be offered, probably forgotten by others anyway. Save for a great State Shoot in Missouri, two Kansas-Nebraska Joint Rendezvous Nebraska, Primitive Rendezvous in Holly, Colorado and Laverne, Oklahoma, I haven't been to alot. The best ones were out of state due to new history, locales and people of course. Got to get out of our wagon wheel ruts, you know? ===== deafstones What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is. Vice President Dan Quayle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:09:57 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: "Cultural Appropriation" When I needed to be recharged I would seek a redevous. The Big timber Montana redevous of !976 (?) was a week long epiphany. A 100 lodges, 75 or more lean-tos---waking up to the bag pipes, fire-walking with canucks and people that had rode in from far away left memories that have never been duplicated at any pow wow . Hello DRB Hays, The rendezvous near Big Timber, Montana was at the Phariss's place was it not? Do you remember any of the Montanans? Did you ever get to the winter rendezvous near Park City, Montana? Walt Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Clark Bottom Rendezvous Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:14:48 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes > Good hunting. > > Walt Walt, Thanks. The hunting was good. The killing was poor. Eating leftover jerk from last years kill. Maybe some fresh meat next year. Capt. Lahti' At the Forks of the Columbia on the Lewis and Clark Trail - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:05:50 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes Walt, Thanks. The hunting was good. The killing was poor. Eating leftover jerk from last years kill. Maybe some fresh meat next year. Capt. Lahti' At the Forks of the Columbia on the Lewis and Clark Trail Good Capt', Last Saturday we had 12 pounds of this years jerked meat and three 8 pound cakes. Cooked in guess what. Yep, a 10" cast iron camp oven. I sure have had fun hunting this year. It is not over yet. We have some good cold weather hunting coming up over the weekend. They have been selling 8 dollar B tags in some areas around here. Been passing me by. My family is so small and my teeth so pore that I cook the jerk like chipped beef on toast. We had a good time at the museum up on the rimrocks. Walt Original Rocky Mountain College 1836-1837 Clark Bottom Rendezvous Yellowstone Canoe Camp On the Lewis & Clark Trail Park City, Montana - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:41:02 -0800 From: "Jay Geisinger" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Instrument Picks Klahowya My Friends, Lee, The guitar and other percussion instruments have been around for centuries. Early (How early I have not been able to assertain) picks were made from very large fish scales. You may remember years ago seeing picks that were somewhat translucent and had various swirling designs in them. The cheap ones were plastic, but the good ones were fish scales. Most are made from the scales of the drum fish (no pun intended). The black drum and the red drum are found along the Atlantic coast, can reach 40+ pounds and exceed 50 inches in length. they are quite edible, and at one time were a full fledged industrial interest. In our part of the country one could possible obtain a large carp scale that could be dried, heat hardened, and shaped. YMOS PoorBoy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:24:39 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Instrument Picks In our part of the country one could > possible obtain a large carp scale that could be dried, heat hardened, and > shaped. No need to go to any special trouble finding a carp scale around here. Just walk the banks of the Snake or Columbia with your dog. He will find a carp laying along the bank and start rolling in it. You simply pick off the scale of your choice. If it is very late in the spring, I assure you it has been dried and heat hardened already! Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:33:15 EST From: JSeminerio@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: She's nakid! In a message dated 12/7/00 4:40:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, Wfoster@cw2.com writes: > She's nakid, beautiful, and on the cover of "Instinctive Archer" magazine... > well, mebbe "bare" is a better word. PICTURES PICTURES PICTURES where are the pictures? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 07:55:00 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes My snowshoes arrived, they did have the plastic where the front and back decks attach. Other than that they're fine. Just a bit dis-appointed because I specifically asked if there was any plastic on them. Jim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:50:56 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes Jim, Sorry to see that you didn't get what you wanted. I am at a bit of a loss to picture how plastic would be used where wood and raw hide should work just fine. Have you considered replacing the "plastic" with rawhide? The material is very easy to work with and after it's dry, a coat of varnish will make it look like it belonged there. Still scratching my head, I remain........ YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lindberg" To: Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 5:55 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes > My snowshoes arrived, they did have the plastic where the front and back > decks attach. Other than that they're fine. Just a bit dis-appointed > because I specifically asked if there was any plastic on them. > > Jim > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:25:57 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ojibway style snowshoes In a message dated 12/8/00 5:55:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, jal@cray.com writes: << Just a bit dis-appointed because I specifically asked if there was any plastic on them. >> if'n it was me, I'd specifically return them, get a credit and save the money for the ones that you want. I don't know where you got them, but both Cabela's and Sportsman's Guide are really good about backing their stuff up. Barn - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 21:27:18 -0700 From: Allen Hall Subject: MtMan-List: Miss. Stuff Hallo the list, Reading through Warren A. Ferris' book again, I came across a few interesting things. A while back someone on the list was asking about spurs. From page 243: "Dashing my spurs rowel deep into the flank of my noble steed....." For Jill, documentation for mountain men doing stomach cooking: from page 315, "Taking the digestive ventricle of a deer, which had previously been cleaned for food, we filled it with snow, and then putting in heated stones, continued operation until we were at length proprietors of a whole gallon of water, which auspicious event, was duly celebrated by proper rejoicings." From Nathaniel Wyeth's journal, on page 78, we have mountain men digging and using camas; "Killed some dusky grouse and dug some kamas which assisted our living a little..." Also from Wyeth, pg 94, the first time I actually found a mountain man eating beaver tail, "...this morning breakfasted on two beaver tails which I had laid by..." Can anyone explain this treatment? From Wyeth, pg 98, "...traded 8 dogs for their fat to kill the lice onmy horses." The interesting thing about Wyeth's journal is that he was always trading fish hooks for things from the Natives. Well, that's all for now. Take care everyone, Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:54:44 -0800 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Miss. Stuff Good stuff, Allan. Thanks. Larry Huber - ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Hall To: Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 8:27 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Miss. Stuff > Hallo the list, > > Reading through Warren A. Ferris' book again, I came across a few > interesting things. > > A while back someone on the list was asking about spurs. From page 243: > "Dashing my spurs rowel deep into the flank of my noble steed....." > > For Jill, documentation for mountain men doing stomach cooking: from page > 315, "Taking the digestive ventricle of a deer, which had previously been > cleaned for food, we filled it with snow, and then putting in heated stones, > continued operation until we were at length proprietors of a whole gallon of > water, which auspicious event, was duly celebrated by proper rejoicings." > > From Nathaniel Wyeth's journal, on page 78, we have mountain men digging and > using camas; "Killed some dusky grouse and dug some kamas which assisted our > living a little..." > > Also from Wyeth, pg 94, the first time I actually found a mountain man > eating beaver tail, "...this morning breakfasted on two beaver tails which I > had laid by..." > > Can anyone explain this treatment? From Wyeth, pg 98, "...traded 8 dogs for > their fat to kill the lice onmy horses." > > The interesting thing about Wyeth's journal is that he was always trading > fish hooks for things from the Natives. > > Well, that's all for now. > > Take care everyone, > > Allen > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 05:28:10 -0700 From: "Terrance Luff" Subject: MtMan-List: cultural appropriation well well now!!! sorry i have to come out of the shadows, prezz forgive my bad spelling and grammer. and please do not get mad if i plase my words wrong. has everyone knows i am of the hiverent metis and have relitives on both sides of the rez border. i have ran both sides for most of my long years. in my home there is the pipe and the bible also i have been to the church and the sweat. the sun dance, 100 rock sweats and differents churchs. because of my mix blood i have been asked before ,to try and show the way of bridge between the indian and white and belief me there are very narrow minds on both sides. buckskinning i like and have been a part of sence it came to montana. buckskinning has done alot of helping in save some of the native culture. on some rez i see some old ways comeing back and some need to surface yet ,but will come back when the time is right. but on some rez's no interest of the old ways. but also on both sides i see alot of people that do not want to open there mined to a different way. religion is a very personal thing. what ever your is , is yours, mine is mine, but if it helps you be a better persons to your fellow man then stay with it and respect mine. this one statment i have trouble with but have found it true to have someone copy your ways or whatever is the biggest complement. of the different tribes, their are different as a englishman and a gearmen. if some one ask to be paid for a sweat or pipe cerom.(then it is not a religous man that is running that cerom. but at the same time you should give him four thing (none which are whiteman monye) i see the new agers and buckskinners that are doing in tipis and sweat. but becarefull there are guys like me that been at the real ceroms. i will speak out if you claim real and can,t show me real. there are also indians that have became bible preachers to . one for montan that is repected by bouth sides of table Joe walksfare. so we have cross roaders on both side of talbe. as i try and show the bridge to people i have run into calments. that i think come from not not knowing full story. one, but for every small remark, i have hear a hundred good ones. and yes untell a few years ago you did not let people know your had indian blood and i still watch want i say in a group. but it getting so on the rez you want to keep the white blood under cover. i see more more indians in buckskinning the slownes maybe because of lack of money and not knowing about buckskinning.so spread the word. long live buckskinning, i love it. ponyrider (french) cavalier de poney (crow) ejla galgna ejla galgna _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. 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