From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #691 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, December 12 2000 Volume 01 : Number 691 In this issue: -       Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: camp names -       Re: Re: MtMan-List: Holidays with the Corp of Discovery Christmas -       MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       RE: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       MtMan-List: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:32:39 -0600 -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:32:39 -0600 -       Re: MtMan-List: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:32:39 -0600 -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       MtMan-List: A great man passes -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       Re: MtMan-List: A great man passes -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       Re: MtMan-List: A great man passes -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       RE: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       Re: MtMan-List: A great man passes -       Re: MtMan-List: A great man passes -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? -       Re: MtMan-List: "Cultural Appropriation" -       Re: MtMan-List: A great man passes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:47:44 -0700 From: "Daniel L. Smith" Subject: Re: Re: Re: MtMan-List: camp names - ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Dennis Miles" Sent: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:28:12 -0500 To: Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: camp names - ------------------------ "how many times has one's name changed through the years and not by choice, right Dennis." Concho, - ------------------------------ Yup...<>G D (Deux Espouses, A name that is seldom used by anyone other than close friends, but has endured for many a year) - ---- End Original Message ---- Hey Dennis, Just walked in the house from Colorado, went to see Buck and a few other old friends in that territory, colder than all get out one day - then sweat your tailfeathers the next, love it. Talk about name changes over the years, Mr. Conner started out with a christian name of Barry, nick name "Buck" when a kid - after his great uncle, "Wounded Barr" when writing for Buckskin Report, "Governer" when doing F&I period, "Trader" when in the positon several times, a few that can not be used on the internet and now back to "Buck". Myself like you Dennis have always been "sweetie" to the ladies and "butthole" to all others. Glad to be back home, got the fire going and getting warm. Later, Daniel L. "Concho" Smith Research & Documentation for: _____________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT ________________________________________HRD__ Visit these period camp sites at: http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ http://pages.about.com/conner1/ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ _____________________________________________ Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:54:55 -0700 From: "Daniel L. Smith" Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Holidays with the Corp of Discovery Christmas - ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: Jim Lindberg Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Holidays with the Corp of Discovery Christmas Buck, I think you were the one who posted the Thanksgiving of the Corp of Discovery. =A0I used it as a Scoutmaster's Minute last week at our Troop meeting and the boys applauded. =A0I was pleasantly surprised by that. =A0I thought others in the group may be interested too. Thanks for the postings, Jim - ---- End Original Message ---- Jim, Buck's computer went on the blink and he couldn't reply and asked me to let you know that several like yourself have replied with like messages. He wanted to thank you for your remarks. Interesting how the youth respond to such readings, they seem to not be paying any attention and then they surprise you like this. Makes you feel good that something has made a dent in their little pumpkin's, wonder if our parents felt the same? Later, Daniel L. "Concho" Smith Research & Documentation for: _____________________________________________ HISTORICAL RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT ________________________________________HRD__ Visit these period camp sites at: http://pages.about.com/dlsmith/ http://pages.about.com/conner1/ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ _____________________________________________ Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:43:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Susan Gilbert" Subject: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? Hello the list, I would like the collective wisdom of the group. My husband and I are planning a trip to Yellowstone next year. We want to go to several Voo events on the way out and back. We don't want to pack all our camping gear, modern and period, for the trip. What experience do you all have with camping in a modern campground with period gear? Does it attract too much attention? Is it safe to leave camp to go exploring? We have no problems or worries at a re-enacting event, but are afraid the place will be stripped if we don't stay in camp all the time when we need to camp in a modern campground. Am I being paranoid, or are these concerns real? Any advice or experience would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Sue Gilbert 6 Beaver Camp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:14:37 -0700 From: louis.l.sickler@lmco.com Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? Hello Sue, My first question is, if you have all your camping gear with you, why are you staying in a camp ground at all? In the national forest, you can camp almost anywhere you want to. I have camped all over the Rocky Mtn west my entire life and have only stayed in a campground a handful of times. But, if you must, let me say that I have also NEVER had any problems with leaving my camp behind while I spent the day exploring. Around here, if you venture too far into anyone's "space", you better be prepared to defend yourself. I would never imagine poking around someone's tent when not invited. The thought of picking buck shot from my behind and everywhere else is not something I would enjoy. Anyway, a primitive camp in a modern campground does attract some attention. My family camps with most all of our primitive accoutrements on a regular basis. I've met some great people who just wanted to come and see what was going on. One tip, though, I don't leave very expensive things in or around my tent when leaving for the day. My precious semi-custom flintlock goes with me. Are you traveling through Colorado? If you want some places to camp that are "off the beaten path", contact me off list and I can probably steer you to some places that not too many pork eaters even know about. Have a great trip, Lou SIckler Colorado Territory > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Gilbert [SMTP:sgilbert@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 3:44 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? > > Hello the list, > > I would like the collective wisdom of the group. My husband and I are > planning a trip to Yellowstone next year. We want to go to several Voo > events on the way out and back. We don't want to pack all our camping > gear, modern and period, for the trip. > What experience do you all have with camping in a modern campground with > period gear? Does it attract too much attention? Is it safe to leave camp to > go exploring? We have no problems or worries at a re-enacting event, but > are afraid the place will be stripped if we don't stay in camp all the time when > we need to camp in a modern campground. > Am I being paranoid, or are these concerns real? Any advice or experience > would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Sue Gilbert > 6 Beaver Camp > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:38:51 -0800 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? Dear Sue, If you have a tent with door flaps that tie, you are about as safe as you can expect to be in a public place. I generally camp with a tarp lean-to with all my gear exposed but that is only when camping with my party away from public campgrounds. When I go to Rendezvous that admit the public, I take a wedge tent so I can tie my door flaps shut. This should say "stay out-private" to most folks. If you camp in a tipi be prepared for visitors no matter if you close the door or not. Now most of my experience has been with the public that go to events that expecting to see primitive gear. They think their day-pass entitles them to free-access to everything. It's important to be around to explain "canvas courtesies" to them. I haven't camped much in public campgrounds in primitive gear except for hunting camps. I admit to a paranoia about public campgrounds and generally require a "camp guard" be left behind (Dog, wife, surly friend). Louis, here, has had different experiences and I hope his version of the world is the correct one. I agree that you should lock valuable stuff up in the car, out of sight. Canvas is only as thick as a person's conscience. Larry Huber - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 3:14 PM Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? > Hello Sue, > > My first question is, if you have all your camping gear with you, why are you staying in a camp ground at all? In the national forest, you can camp almost anywhere you want to. I have camped all over the Rocky Mtn west my entire life and have only stayed in a campground a handful of times. But, if you must, let me say that I have also NEVER had any problems with leaving my camp behind while I spent the day exploring. Around here, if you venture too far into anyone's "space", you better be prepared to defend yourself. I would never imagine poking around someone's tent when not invited. The thought of picking buck shot from my behind and everywhere else is not something I would enjoy. > > Anyway, a primitive camp in a modern campground does attract some attention. My family camps with most all of our primitive accoutrements on a regular basis. I've met some great people who just wanted to come and see what was going on. > > One tip, though, I don't leave very expensive things in or around my tent when leaving for the day. My precious semi-custom flintlock goes with me. > > Are you traveling through Colorado? If you want some places to camp that are "off the beaten path", contact me off list and I can probably steer you to some places that not too many pork eaters even know about. > > Have a great trip, > > Lou SIckler > Colorado Territory > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Susan Gilbert [SMTP:sgilbert@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu] > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 3:44 PM > > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? > > > > Hello the list, > > > > I would like the collective wisdom of the group. My husband and I are > > planning a trip to Yellowstone next year. We want to go to several Voo > > events on the way out and back. We don't want to pack all our camping > > gear, modern and period, for the trip. > > What experience do you all have with camping in a modern campground with > > period gear? Does it attract too much attention? Is it safe to leave camp to > > go exploring? We have no problems or worries at a re-enacting event, but > > are afraid the place will be stripped if we don't stay in camp all the time when > > we need to camp in a modern campground. > > Am I being paranoid, or are these concerns real? Any advice or experience > > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Sue Gilbert > > 6 Beaver Camp > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:53:03 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? > One tip, though, I don't leave very expensive things in or around my tent > when leaving for the day. My precious semi-custom flintlock goes with me. Louis, I think she said she was going to Yellowstone. Perhaps the thought of carrying a firearm into said park should be addressed. Good way to end up in jail with a felony conviction hanging over your head and all your gear confiscated. I don't know about other national parks, but guns ain't allowed in Yellowstone. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:25:41 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: December 11, 2000 6:53 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? > . I don't know about other national parks, but guns ain't allowed > in Yellowstone. I think that if you left them cased and in your automobile it wouldn't be a problem. northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:21:44 -0800 From: Randal J Bublitz Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? Hi Susan, All I have is 'primitive' camping gear. I have camped in public campgrounds, and Nat. Forest type campgrounds with it. I have not received much extra attention due to my camp equip.. I find that most folks politely ignore you, except for your immediate 'neighbors'. They are usually just being polite when giving any attention. I would not leave anything especially valuable in a nylon, or canvas, tent. Either will only keep an honest person honest. So, I say...go for it.... don't be embarrassed. Be Proud. hardtack - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:37:05 -0700 From: "Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:32:39 -0600 Ho the list Beware that there is a worm being circulated. Email with attachments = from Bruce Mikesell is one source. Bruce's computer is down because of = the problem and possibly Larry Pendleton's too. =20 It is always a good idea not to open attachments from people you don't = know, but someone you DO know might be passing along a worm without = knowing about it. Remember the KAK worm last year? I have an online, = continously updated virus scan (McAfeel.com) that has kept me clean = since I got it. That and other scan programs seem to work. Just a Word of Caution Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:49:13 -0800 (PST) From: S Jones Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:32:39 -0600 - --- Ratcliff wrote: > Ho the list > Beware that there is a worm being circulated. Email with attachments > from Bruce Mikesell is one source. Bruce's computer is down because of > the problem and possibly Larry Pendleton's too. > It is always a good idea not to open attachments from people you don't > know, but someone you DO know might be passing along a worm without > knowing about it. Remember the KAK worm last year? I have an online, > continously updated virus scan (McAfeel.com) that has kept me clean > since I got it. That and other scan programs seem to work. > Just a Word of Caution > Lanney Ratcliff For an excellent free virus scan, try, Computer Associates' InoculateIT Personal Edition http://antivirus.cai.com/ For business use, you have to pay. For private use, it's free and IMHO, better than Norton's and McAfee, no offense to Lanney. *grin* ===== deafstones The most merciful thing in the world . . . is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. H. P. Lovecraft __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:07:42 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:32:39 -0600 > For an excellent free virus scan, try, Computer Associates' InoculateIT > Personal Edition > > http://antivirus.cai.com/ > > For business use, you have to pay. For private use, it's free and IMHO, > better than Norton's and McAfee, no offense to Lanney. *grin* This is the anti-virus program I am using and it seems to be working fine. They send me updates quite frequently and it is free. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:00:51 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? > I think that if you left them cased and in your automobile it wouldn't be a > problem. I think that you could be mistaken. You would do so under penalty of law. I know!! I took the chance. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:03:20 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: December 11, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? > I think that you could be mistaken. You would do so under penalty of law. > I know!! I took the chance. > Dave Kanger Check out this website Dave: www.americanparknetwork.com/parkinfo/ye/aag/regulations.html In part it says: "Firearms are not allowed in Yellowstone. Unloaded firearms may be transported in vehicles when weapons are cased, broken down, or rendered inoperable, and kept out of sight. Ammunition must be placed in a separate compartment of the vehicle." northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:05:52 EST From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: A great man passes Ho list, I know this is not exactly a "mtn. man topic" but maybe it is. All of us have folks in our past who contributed to our path of loving and revering the old ideals and ways of doing some things and buckskinning. My Uncle Ray was one of those...he showed respect for the land, hard work and doing things right. He helped give me these ideals that I find I love and that drew me towards buckskinning. He also believed in "doing the right thing" - and when country and duty called him to Korea he went and fought. Today, he crossed over after a long and well-fought battle with cancer...taking a lifetime of experiences with him and leaving a lifetime of memories to be shared around our fires with family and friends. Thanks for listening. - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:27:02 EST From: JSeminerio@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? Hey Sue My wife and I go more to "other" events than Rendezvous these days. All we have is the primitive gear. The gent that mentioned not leaving any thing valuable laying around is certainly using good sense. We have some expensive lanterns that get put in the trunk when we are not at camp. We go to a lot of dance festivals. So everybody there is in the same boat. I do have to say that we have been going to a zydeco/Cajun festival for about 5 years now and we are known as the people with the canvas tents. Also if anyone there is a re enactor they will immediately come up to you and introduce themselves. Go have a good time, use your head Have a great Holiday John - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:07:09 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A great man passes Thanks for sharing. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:28:23 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? > Check out this website Dave: > www.americanparknetwork.com/parkinfo/ye/aag/regulations.html > In part it says: > "Firearms are not allowed in Yellowstone. Unloaded firearms may be > transported in vehicles when weapons are cased, broken down, or rendered > inoperable, and kept out of sight. Ammunition must be placed in a separate > compartment of the vehicle." I only know from experience. My family and I went on a backpack trip in the primitive buffer zone which surrounds Yellowstone. It was an area where I had hunted elk and where I had observed numerous griz traps to capture renegade bears who kept escaping from the park. For this reason, I carried a 44 Mag on the trip. Probably not sufficient, but insurance just the same as it was loaded with very hot handloads. After our trip, we went into Yellowstone via the NE entrance. They had a small customs type station set up. The signs plainly read, "NO FIREARMS IN PARK." The ranger asked if we had any firearms with us. I said no, as it was well hidden in the trailer. I got the impression that had we not been a family group, they might have searched our vehicle. I also got the impression that if one entered with a firearm, one would leave it at the station and recover it when leaving. As I said, I can only base this on my personal experience, not something that is written on a webpage. Anyone else is free to believe what they want. Dave - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:15:02 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? sue--- can give you a couple of places in new mexico to camp and a couple in arkansas if the need arizes---not KOA Type of places--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home Of the " Old Grizz " Product line TRADEMARK (C) 854 Glenfield Drive, Palm Harbor, Florida 34684 E-Mail: Hawknest4@juno.com Phone: 1- 727-771-1815 Web Site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 05:22:19 -0700 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A great man passes - -C. Kent, It is always a shame when a good man dies- sorry to hear it. I hope he continues to live on many years in your family by the telling and retelling of his stories and the sharing of the articles which were dear to him. In your last email you commented on making leggings with wool at the bottoms. There wasn't much comment on them, but I had never seen any of these. With leggings, they come off so easily that added cloth to the bottom is something unusual. Unless you had just out grown them. On my girls' leather dresses you can see how they were lengthened and addded to a couple times. And this is fairly typical on old children's clothes. I wonder too, who told you that leather can split and crack? I hadn't had that happen (except at the seams, which were under alot of stress). Leather will stretch, bag, even pick up all kinds of stickers which plague you for days; but alot of misconceptions are around about leather garments. mike. HikingOnThru@cs.com wrote: > Ho list, > > I know this is not exactly a "mtn. man topic" but maybe it is. All of us > have folks in our past who contributed to our path of loving and revering the > old ideals and ways of doing some things and buckskinning. My Uncle Ray was > one of those...he showed respect for the land, hard work and doing things > right. He helped give me these ideals that I find I love and that drew me > towards buckskinning. He also believed in "doing the right thing" - and when > country and duty called him to Korea he went and fought. Today, he crossed > over after a long and well-fought battle with cancer...taking a lifetime of > experiences with him and leaving a lifetime of memories to be shared around > our fires with family and friends. > > Thanks for listening. > -C.Kent > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 07:13:13 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: December 12, 2000 12:28 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? > As I said, I can only base this on my personal experience, not something that > is written on a webpage. Anyone else is free to believe what they want. > > Dave I here what your saying Dave. I went in under the same circumstances more than once. Last evening I did e-mail an official at the park and ask about firearms in the park and he said, "Mr. Clark, Firearms are OK as long as they are unloaded, broken down, and remain in the vehicle at all times. Check with rangers when you enter. Also, hope you are talking about next summer, b/c you cannot drive through in winter (too much snow!)" Thanks, Tim Bradshaw Jackson Hole Net >northwoods - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:01:57 -0700 From: louis.l.sickler@lmco.com Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? Dave, I didn't tell her to take a gun, it was only an example of something I wouldn't leave behind for the unscrupulous. Lou > -----Original Message----- > From: ThisOldFox@aol.com [SMTP:ThisOldFox@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:53 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? > > > One tip, though, I don't leave very expensive things in or around my tent > > when leaving for the day. My precious semi-custom flintlock goes with me. > > Louis, > I think she said she was going to Yellowstone. Perhaps the thought of > carrying a firearm into said park should be addressed. Good way to end up in > jail with a felony conviction hanging over your head and all your gear > confiscated. I don't know about other national parks, but guns ain't allowed > in Yellowstone. > > Dave Kanger > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:48:18 EST From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A great man passes In a message dated 12/12/00 7:26:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, amm1616@earthlink.net writes: << I wonder too, who told you that leather can split and crack? I hadn't had that happen (except at the seams, which were under alot of stress). I had read this in a book actually written about mtn. men for juveniles. The author's name was Don Berry (I believe) and the rest of his information (re: trading, trapping methods, rifles, voos, etc.) agreed with what I have read in a variety of other "adult" resources. In this he commented on trappers clothing and stated that some trappers wore full-length leather leggings while others put woolen fabric on the lower half of each legging because it dried faster after repeated dunkings in streams and was less likely to crack afters weeks and weeks of this. My question is was this PC s I have enough hides to get a knee/shin length set of leggings but not full length. If it was pc I could put woolen on the bottom of the leggings when I make them and have a pair of pc britches. Hope that explains it well. - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:13:31 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A great man passes My question is was this PC s I have enough > hides to get a knee/shin length set of leggings but not full length. If it > was pc I could put woolen on the bottom of the leggings when I make them and > have a pair of pc britches. > Hope that explains it well. C.Kent, With that further explanation...... A more "PC" solution to your query would be to make a pair of drop front knee length britches or full length pantaloons and use the leather for "above the knee" leggings. There does not seem to be a whole lot of documentation if any for Mt. Men wearing full length leggings with breechcloth, though it was done back east in earlier times and may have been done out west as an expedient. Even so, no one gets particularly excited if clout and leggings are worn out west. Even though it has been written that wool was added to the bottom of Leggings and Britches I personally don't see it as being very practical. Much easier to take off wet knee length leggings to dry while still dressed in knee britches. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:34:01 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about camping with period gear in modern setting? Sue Gilbert You were wise to ask about your planned trip. Guns - you got the"official word". I have been through Yellowstone many times over the last 40 years and was asked perhaps twice if I had guns. I always did. Many years ago I understand they used to put a seal on them that had to remain unbroken when you left, but no more. Just keep them packed away - never to be seen in the park. South of Yellowstone is Teton national park. This is also a no-shooting area. I don't know where else you are going but in the Yellowstone area there are the conservative western Wyoming folks that have a high regard for gun ownership. But concentrated in Yellowstone are the tourists that come in from everywhere. I can more easily trust foreigners in these circumstances than I can big city northeasterners or Californios. Tipis will attract attention but the locals in a broad radius around Yellowstone are used to them. Moose Wyoming was the home of the Laubins, when they were still with us, and they left a heavy mark - lots of tipis in the area (and a few yurts). Most people who camp in the Yellowstone campgrounds leave their camps during the day to tour the park. One of the best things you can do there - or in similar other camp grounds is to try to establish a friendly relationship with your neighbor campers so they will know who are the authorized inhabitants of your camp. I have never had any problem with theft in any of these camps but you never know when that one "slicky-boy" will be moving around to take advantage. Best you can do is keep as much of the high value stuff in your vehicle and button your shelter up tight. And, of course, secure all your food or take it with you. Not all "invaders" are two-footed. And if you are around the west entrance to the park - specifically Cody, Wyoming - be sure to stop at Old Trail Town and visit John "the liver eater" Johnston's grave. Many people who go to Cody are so overwhelmed (rightly so) with the Buffalo Bill Museum they can't imagine another remarkable site would be in that small town. I wish you a good trip Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:38:19 -0800 From: "DRB Hays" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Cultural Appropriation" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt Foster" To: Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: RE: MtMan-List: "Cultural Appropriation" > Hello DRB Hays, > > The rendezvous near Big Timber, Montana was at the Phariss's place was it > not? The name sounds right. That would be an honoring as those that host such doings are special people. Do you remember any of the Montanans? Not by name , other than Baird and a fella named mike-- think he was trapping in the bitterroots full time. Remember a Montanan that walked thru camp one day and said, "boys you might want to throw a rope over them lodge poles cause a storm was on the way". We listened. It came hard. A hide lodge was a long time drying. Remember the grasshoppers hitting the side of the lodge like rain , and later finding them in the camp stew. It was good stew. Did you ever get to the winter > rendezvous near Park City, Montana? No, never did get to Winter Park. Still miss NAPR and the Buckskin Report. Came back to California and started a magazine called the Voice of the Mountains. Too many rules. Gave it up. Had a high mountain rendevous a while later and a couple of the candadians from Big Timber came down. One fella got his new rig stuck in the middle of a stream trying to ford it. Left it there with the doors open to let the water run thru and walked the next three miles in to camp. Thats what I remember about a lot of the people I met that year at Big timber. It was good meeting people that understood it was important to say what you mean , and mean what you say. Doc - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:00:16 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A great man passes In a message dated 12/12/0 09:51:31 AM, HikingOnThru@cs.com writes: << My question is was this PC s I have enough hides to get a knee/shin length set of leggings but not full length. If it was pc I could put woolen on the bottom of the leggings when I make them and have a pair of pc britches. Hope that explains it well. >> Didn't we do this last week? Anyway - read Osborn Russell's "Journal of a Trapper". He talks about the lower part of the buckskin britches goin rotten well into the season and it was replaces with a piece of blanket. He also says their moccasins - having been equally soaked - would dry up in the night shrink, causing such pain as to wake the wearer who would go get them wet again and return to his reverie. Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #691 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.