From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #699 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, December 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 699 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels,off topic -       MtMan-List: Anchorage Fur Rendezvous -       Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? -       Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? -       Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels,off topic -       Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? -       Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels,off topic -       Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? -       Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? -       Re: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? -       Re: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? -       Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? -       MtMan-List: Indian prayer -       MtMan-List: Buffalos and sinew question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:40:59 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels,off topic > I know this has been mentioned to death but don't you find it > strange that the Amish have a website??? They don't. The mercenaries who sell their stuff do. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:58:13 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Anchorage Fur Rendezvous For a break from cabin fever, check this out... annual Fur Rendezvous in Anchorage... different than most, and looks like lots of fun.... www.furrondy.net Barn - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:02:34 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? Ole I have heard that the Amish make reproduction parts for carriages and waggons, does anyone have a source for such items? YMOS Ole # 718 There was a guy at Ft. Bridger from Riverton Wyoming that will make anything you want and at a good price. Also there is Bill Twig in Moscow, Idaho. They are in that country story catalog out of Tennessee where DeLoy sells his courting candles. If this is what you want I have these addresses but no direct connections. Maybe John does. There is a guy up in Peterson (Morgan) that got wheels from the Amish, but they were more expensive than Twigg, who is more expensive than the Riverton guy. Twigg did my cannon wheels. Now I am having some stuff done in Riverton Dick James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:31:18 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? "Ole B. Jensen" wrote: > Gentelmen, > I have heard that the Amish make reproduction parts for carriages and > waggons, does anyone have a source for such items? > YMOS > Ole # 718 > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Ole, Lehmans' www.lehmans.com info@lehmans.com Brother Dennis Miles lives close to these folks and maybe of help also, living in the Amish country. Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:39:33 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels,off topic Stitchin' Scotsman wrote: > Lanney: I know this has been mentioned to death but don't you find > itstrange that the Amish have a website??? Long John John, A good part of my mother's family are Amish/Quaker in Pennsylvania, drive cars, have tractors, etc. but are still considered "plain people", nothing fancy other than their quilts. I know of several web sites that are Amish/Quaker owned and operated, handling clothing, edibles, etc. for their needs. I write to several family members by e-mail on a monthly routine, they are smarter and more advanced than most realize, just keep a low profile. May be there's a lesson to be learned from that !!! Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 21:18:58 -0800 From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? Ole B. Jensen wrote: > I have heard that the Amish make reproduction parts for carriages and waggons, does anyone have a source for such items? You will get screwed by those who re-sell Amish made buggy parts they often double prices. Buy from an Amish owned shop such as: Troyer's Carriage Shop 4558 TWP 628 Millersburg, OH 44651 or Neal's Harness Shop R.D.1 New Wilmington, PA 16142 Note: Real Amish shops have no phone or electricity Another very good buggy shop is at DollyWood...No kidding...They do quality work. Write to: Merchandise Division DollyWood 1020 Dollywood Lane Pigeon Forge, TN 37863-4101 or phone (423) 428-9445 Hope this helps, Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:33:35 -0800 From: "Stitchin' Scotsman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels,off topic Buck:: I 'm just outside Amish Country here { Yoders}. You forgot to mention that they are hard workers. An Amish group sided and painted my barn {in the dead of winter} and when I asked the foreman if they had insurance (after seeing two of the younger ones run across the barn roof) he said that they took responsibility for themselves! Very refreshing in a time where quite a few folks are trying to place the blame on everyone else. A lot of their 'bad press' comes from the 'old timers' that consider anyone that doesn't join in community events to be an 'outsider' and thus people to be ridiculed. My apologies to anyone who took my 'stab at wit' as slander. Long John - -----Original Message----- From: Buck Conner To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, December 28, 2000 3:37 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels,off topic >Stitchin' Scotsman wrote: > >> Lanney: I know this has been mentioned to death but don't you find >> itstrange that the Amish have a website??? Long John > >John, >A good part of my mother's family are Amish/Quaker in Pennsylvania, drive >cars, have tractors, etc. but are still considered "plain people", nothing >fancy other than their quilts. I know of several web sites that are >Amish/Quaker owned and operated, handling clothing, edibles, etc. for their >needs. I write to several family members by e-mail on a monthly routine, >they are smarter and more advanced than most realize, just keep a low >profile. May be there's a lesson to be learned from that !!! > >Later, >Buck Conner >Research page: >http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ >Personal page: >http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ >____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 07:10:36 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? Possum Hunter wrote: > Ole B. Jensen wrote: > > I have heard that the Amish make reproduction parts for carriages and > waggons, does anyone have a source for such items? > > You will get screwed by those who re-sell Amish made buggy parts they often > double prices. Buy from an Amish owned shop such as: > > Troyer's Carriage Shop > 4558 TWP 628 > Millersburg, OH 44651 > or > Neal's Harness Shop > R.D.1 > New Wilmington, PA 16142 > > Note: Real Amish shops have no phone or electricity > That's not always true anymore, have a cousin that's in Lancaster PA - owns a TV/computer repair store (his wife is Amish), 20% of his trade is Amish/Quaker (new belief). He says they hang around in front of the store until closing then come in, go through the store to the back and stand there. John closes up and goes to the back, where they have a TV or radio that won't change channels - usually full of hay dust from being used in the barn - out of sight from rest of family. In many of the settlements there are pay phones at a general store for emergency service and tourist needs. Saw a black Buick - no chrome - all painted black, emergency rig with red cross on it (use to white with red cross) at a settlement house a few years ago outside York PA a few years ago. So not everything is plain as TV tries to show it. Back in the early 60"s I worked for an outfit installing exhaust fans in "plain & fancy" eating places in York and Lancaster - they would blow the fumes from the bake ovens up a stack in the wind mills to the hungry community - nothing like fresh pies baking to make one think about eating. As a group or clan of people that own a large percentage of the farm ground around the country, they are pretty good businessmen, not as backwards or low key as they try to appear. Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:25:27 -0500 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? To add to Buck's comments about the Amish... Don't even TRY to out horse trade them or make the Brothers of the family fightin' mad.. Pacifists my arse.. D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:01:42 -0700 From: "Daniel L. Smith" Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?

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From: "Dennis Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>

To add to Buck's comments about the Amish...
Don't even TRY to out horse trade them or make
the Brothers of the family fightin' mad..
Pacifists my arse..<G>
D

- ---- End Original Message ----

Hey Dennis,

When Buck and yours truely where young dudes, (he
just got his drivers lic.) we traded for a couple
of Amish "flat hats" and got a couple of the
blue/tur. shirts - had ideas of slipping in on
some of the young Amish ladies.  Wrong like you
say "Pacifists my arse..<G>", those boys may not
fight, but they sure can give you one hell of a
brotherly hug, ask Buck about his ribs <G><G><G>.







Later,
Daniel L. "Concho" Smith
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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:17:13 -0700 From: "Daniel L. Smith" Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels?
Possum Hunter wrote:
> > Note: Real Amish shops have no phone or
electricity
> >
Buck Conner wrote:
> TV or radio that won't change channels -
usually full of hay dust from being used in the
barn...........
>
- ------------------------------
Many of the younger folks do have elect., used
for some items where required, two months ago a
barn burned down from a elect. short - never said
what shorted out causing the problem.

The burned building was cleared in a weekend and
foundation was rebuilt, new timbers where readied
and last week the clan put that 4-5,000 sq ft
barn backup, even painted it on a warm day, while
I went over and watched and ate, was told "this
was for the younger men to do - say not". Love
these people Dennis, they ask and answer all in
the same sentence.

"Looks like it may snow, say not".








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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:11:56 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Carriage Wheels, and Axels? - --------------4D3FEC6D085F0C3CA18EF512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "Dennis Miles" wrote: > > To add to Buck's comments about the > Amish... > Don't even TRY to out horse trade them > or make > the Brothers of the family fightin' > mad.. > Pacifists my arse.. > D > > "Daniel L. Smith" wrote: > Wrong like you say "Pacifists my > arse..", those boys may not fight, > but they sure can give you one hell of > a brotherly hug, ask Buck about his > ribs . > Thanks for the memories pal, had forgotten all about those unsuccessful ventures, that - I think was your "brain storm" that got my "arse" as Dennis would say "kicked". "With friends like this, who needs anything else, say not." Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - --------------4D3FEC6D085F0C3CA18EF512 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
"Dennis Miles" wrote:

To add to Buck's comments about the Amish...
Don't even TRY to out horse trade them or make
the Brothers of the family fightin' mad..
Pacifists my arse..<G>
D

"Daniel L. Smith" wrote:
Wrong like you say "Pacifists my arse..<G>", those boys may not fight, but they sure can give you one hell of a brotherly hug, ask Buck about his ribs <G><G><G>.

Thanks for the memories pal, had forgotten all about those unsuccessful ventures, that - I think was your "brain storm" that got my "arse" as Dennis would say "kicked". "With friends like this, who needs anything else, say not."

Later,
Buck Conner
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Personal page:
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  - --------------4D3FEC6D085F0C3CA18EF512-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 08:55:19 -0000 From: "Glenn Darilek" Subject: MtMan-List: Indian prayer http://muweb.millersville.edu/~columbus/papers/sanguinito.html says the "Indian's Prayer" was created by Dr. Tom Whitecloud II, a contemporary and founding father of the Association of American Indian Physicians in 1971. Glenn Darilek Iron Burner >Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:41:40 -0600 >From: "Frank Fusco" >Subject: MtMan-List: Indian prayer > Below is a prayer attributed to Sioux Indian Chief, Yellow Lark. > As I understand the history of this prayer, Yellow Lark was one of very >few American Indians, of the time, admitted to Freemasonry. He offered this >prayer during one of the rituals admitting other men [Indian or white, I >don't know]. This was sometime during the Revolutionary period, I have been >told. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:10:41 -0600 From: "northwoods" Subject: MtMan-List: Buffalos and sinew question I had a rather eventfull morning as about seven A.M. one of our neighbors who raises buffalo called with the unfortunate news that one of his 21/2 year old bulls died last night. He wanted my wife to come over and autopsy it to look for possible reasons for its untimely demise, (our vet clinic takes care of his herd health). I tagged along to help and, more importantly, because he said I could have the hide and the head if I wanted it. That was great news to me as I have wanted a good winter hide for some projects. I got the hide off no problem and on the way home I stopped at the local quick wash and sprayed it off to remove dirt and blood, boy did I ever get some strange looks from folks as they walked by since they hide still had the head and horns on. I have other tanned full size hair on Buffalo hides but I could never bring myself to cutting one up for smaller projects. Now I have one suitable for that. As I was skinning it all I could think about was projects, two hair on flintlock covers made from the knee, shooting pouch with hair on flap made from the buffalos forehead, Priming horn and knife scales from one horn, and many more projects to come. I couldn't believe the size and amount of sinew that came from this one animal and my question is regarding how to go about using this for thread. Do you just dry it and tear it into pieces or what exactly should I do to it? Northwoods ( In balmy northern WI where it is above freezing today for the first time since early November) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #699 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.