From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #700 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, January 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 700 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Buffalos and sinew question -       MtMan-List: cannon wheels -       MtMan-List: Indian prayer -       Re: MtMan-List: Buffalos and sinew question -       MtMan-List: Introduction -       Re: MtMan-List: Buffalos and sinew question -       Re: MtMan-List: Buffalos and sinew question -       Re: MtMan-List: Buffalos and sinew question -       Re: MtMan-List: cannon wheels -       Re: MtMan-List: Introduction -       Re: MtMan-List: Introduction -       Re: MtMan-List: cannon wheels -       MtMan-List: sinew question -       Re: MtMan-List: sinew question -       Re: MtMan-List: cannon wheels -       MtMan-List: Greetings -       MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS -       Re: MtMan-List: cannon wheels -       Re: MtMan-List: sinew question -       Re: MtMan-List: Introduction -       Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS -       Re: MtMan-List: Introduction -       MtMan-List: Elk hides -       Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides -       Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides -       Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides -       Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides -       Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides -       MtMan-List: Happy New Year!!!!!! -       Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides -       Re: MtMan-List: Introduction -       Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS -       Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 12:06:26 -0800 From: Randal J Bublitz Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalos and sinew question Wow, what a morning...! You lucky mountain Man you..... What'e the buff die of??? Just curious. I have used sinew for sewing, but have never prepared it. I assume one would scrape it down good and let it dry? The sinew I have used comes in narrow 'sheets'. I pounded it with a hammer to spread it out and break up the glue, once this is done the 'threads' can be pulled apart. When sewing I keep it slightly damp, so it will be more pliable. Hope this helps some...? an envious hardtack - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:41:12 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: cannon wheels Dick James wrote, Dick, you have a website or address for Twigg? I am needing a couple cannon wheels. Thanks, Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:59:48 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: Indian prayer The reference to this prayer being credited to Dr. Whitecloud in 1971 seems a bit dubious to me. My information about the prayer came from a Masonic publication. It certainly would be easier for someone in 1971 to 'borrow' the prayer from a 1776 source than visa versa. And the (original) wording has definite Masonic references which, I am sure, were readily recognized by Masons reading this list. Frank G. Fusco FOB #221 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:29:36 -0700 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalos and sinew question On the fresh sinew, scrape off as much of the meat and fat as you can. Lay it so it will dry flat and it will naturally dry itself in about 1 week. Like Randy said, pound it with a blunt object, so you won't tear it or break it. After pounding, it might still a little hard, thats ok. It will split in thin fibers like the artifical stuff, and you can make it any thickness you want. It can be made into longer strings by wetting and twisting (or rolling) it in your hands. It will be harder to use than regular thread and may even have a few burrs in it. But, works great and lasts a long time. I have never beaded with it, maybe someone else can help you with that. mike. Randal J Bublitz wrote: > Wow, what a morning...! You lucky mountain Man you..... What'e the > buff die of??? Just curious. I have used sinew for sewing, but have > never prepared it. I assume one would scrape it down good and let it > dry? The sinew I have used comes in narrow 'sheets'. I pounded it with > a hammer to spread it out and break up the glue, once this is done the > 'threads' can be pulled apart. When sewing I keep it slightly damp, so > it will be more pliable. Hope this helps some...? > an envious hardtack > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:08:36 -0500 From: Tim Jewell Subject: MtMan-List: Introduction Hello the list, My name is Tim and I thought it would be proper to introduce myself before I start asking questions. I feel like I already know a lot of you folks because I have spent the last week or two reading all the archives for the year 2000. I have been to several of the big NMLRA Easterns and have what is a passable outfit for such events. I have recently developed a real interest in devloping a legitmate persona (as opposed to the generic mountain man) and adjusting my gear to become more "PC". I have found a wealth of information in the list archives but I still have a lot of questions that I hope some of you can help me with. ymos, Tim p.s. being new to the list and this computer stuff, please let me know if I make any breaches of form or etiquite - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:35:16 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalos and sinew question In a message dated 12/30/0 12:04:09 PM, northwoods@ez-net.com writes: <> Very importaint to make sure it is clean.. Scrape it, scrub it - whatever - to get all the membrane and other fibers off of it. When it is satisfactory, lay it flat and let it air dry as quickly as possible. Keep turning it so it doesn't mildew. But then you just described the weather there - Do all the above and it will probably just freeze-dry -- just takes a little longer. R. James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:40:05 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalos and sinew question In a message dated 12/30/0 12:04:09 PM, northwoods@ez-net.com writes: <> Sorry - left off the last part of the message. When it is powder dry you can pound it with a mallet and see the fibers separate into threads. To sew with it , get it wet again EXCEPT for a piece of the end a couple of inches - keep this hard and stiff as it is your needle. Sioux ladies of another century would keep the piece curled up in their mouth to soften it, except for the dry piece sticking out to stay dry . . . or so I've been told. RJames - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:49:18 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalos and sinew question In a message dated 12/30/0 06:33:54 PM, amm1616@earthlink.net writes: <> What is significant is that writers of a few decades ago insisted only the=20 larger beads were available and used and that Indians didn't have needles=20 small enough for the little holes. Here we have a reference to beading, and= =20 . . . you need no needle. Smaller holes use a smaller split of sinue. It i= s=20 a pain, though, that the pieces are so short, but that's the way they=20 quilled, also. Incidentally, I have handled and measured beads that were in= =20 Jim Bridger's trading post - trampled into the dirt beneith the ashes when i= t=20 was burned. They are an Italian 4=B0 in every appearance - closer to a Czec= h=20 #12 than a #11, but very irregular and quite a variety even in this one size= .=20 Not really big holes, but sinue could handle it. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:00:52 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cannon wheels In a message dated 12/30/0 05:45:07 PM, frankf@centurytel.net writes: <> Frank - I'm not sure that he has one asI dealt with him on several things before Al Gore invented Web sites. I just went to see if I could find you a regular address/phone, etc. and it is hiding from me. I'll save this message, though and look it up for you tomorrow. Anyway, he is Bill Twig - Moscow Carriage Works, in Moscow, Idaho. Been at it for years and knows just what we need. He doesn't just do standard sizes, but will make any size you want. I have a 40mm which is about an inch and a half so it it much smaller than a 6 pounder. To make it to scale I needed 35" wheels, and that is just what I got. I'll get back to you after church tomorrow. Dick James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 20:28:09 -0800 From: Randal J Bublitz Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Introduction Tim, Welcome to the list. Good to see you. Ask away.... there are very imformative fellows and ladies here. Where do you live? hardtack - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:34:06 EST From: Wind1838@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Introduction Hallo Tim. Breaches. Breeches. Sir, you couldn't possibly make more breaches of ettiquette than any of us on the list have not already made before you. And that, Tim, is why we all take an oath not to dwell on one another's foibles and recollections of posts that we make to the list made late at night, under the influence of whiskey, or while we are otherwise out of our minds or bodies. Welcome to the fire, Tim. It keeps us all warm while we are away from one another. Happy New Year, whatever year you prefer to live (or remember). Laura Jean Glise Wind1838@aol.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:45:42 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cannon wheels Frank, I found an old card Bill Twigg 3240 Lenville Rd Moscow, ID 83843 208-882-2445 YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: "Frank Fusco" >To: "AMM" >Subject: MtMan-List: cannon wheels >Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000, 5:41 PM > >Dick James wrote, > > > >Dick, you have a website or address for Twigg? I am needing a couple cannon >wheels. >Thanks, >Frank G. Fusco >Mountain Home, Arkansas > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:25:36 -0500 From: "Two Crows" Subject: MtMan-List: sinew question Yep, Get it as clean of meat as you can and just let it dry hard. It's the most wonderful material. You can strip off any size thread you want. Wish I had some buffalo sinew. Two Crows David Brown & Kristin Poulsen Wollendael 4419 Gore-Subligna Rd. Summerville, GA 30747 "There is nothing more exhilarating than to be shot at without result." - --Winston Churchill dbrown@wavegate.com http://www.2crows2.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:22:04 -0500 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: sinew question Don't forget the leg tendons!!!!!! Clean & dry them, then pound them with a maul... Separate the fibers... Short for sewing, but I use these almost exclusively for wrapping hafts or repairs of knives... D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:47:55 -0500 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cannon wheels Depending on the size wheels, PAnther Primitive has wheels up to 36" I believe... Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:01:11 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Greetings To Dean: Once again, thanks for keeping us all together, and in line (sometimes) . Your efforts are greatly appreciated. To everybody on the list, thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge. From my family to you and yours, we wish you a HAPPY NEW YEAR, CENTURY AND MILLENNIUM (finally)!!! Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 15:48:56 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS Does anyone have a source for Guernsey Frocks. Hell, it's snowing here, and I may need one. Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:52:44 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cannon wheels In a message dated 12/30/0 05:45:07 PM, frankf@centurytel.net writes: <> Now I have what you asked for last night: Moscow Carriage Co. Bill Twigg, Owner 3240 Lenville Rd. Moscow, Idaho 83843 (208)882-2445 Also - Wind River Wagon & Harness Gary & Tonya Bevers 1210 Major Avenue, Riverton, Wyoming 82501 (307)856-7901 Let me know how you make out. Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:23:00 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: sinew question In a message dated 12/31/0 08:19:54 AM, dbrown@wavegate.com writes: <<"There is nothing more exhilarating than to be shot at without result." - --Winston Churchill>> I have no buff sinue for you, but I am saving the quote. Great! Thanks Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 15:56:22 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Introduction . And that, Tim, is why we all take an oath not to dwell on one another's foibles and recollections of posts that we make to the list made late at night, under the influence of whiskey, or while we are otherwise out of our minds or bodies. >>Laura Jean, I don't recall taking such a oath. LP - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:07:49 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS Larry, Chance Tiffe posted this site recently. Apparently it is an original source of Guernsey Frocks. Chance said that Clay Landry had received one of the frocks as a gift from one of his children. I looked at all the sweaters and they look pretty modern to me, but maybe the pattern hasn't canged much over the years. I've been thinking of having someone knit me one in natural color woolen yarn. Anyway...there you go. http://www.letricoteur.freeserve.co.uk/ "Teton" Todd D. Glover - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:43:14 -0500 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Introduction I don't recall taking such a oath. >>You was drunk, with me, Larry... D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:50:14 -0500 From: Tim Jewell Subject: MtMan-List: Elk hides I have three nice big elk hides that I bought to make some clothing and such out of. The problem is, I bought them before I knew better and they are that wonderful, gold, slick on one side commercial stuff (UGH!). Is there any way to re-tan, dye, or smoke them to make them so that they are acceptable until I can afford/make some brain tan? I checked for info. on braintan.com but didn't see anything. Thanks and Happy New Year to all, I remain... Tim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:58:50 -0800 (PST) From: hsteven-pepke@webtv.net (H Steven Pepke) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides - --WebTV-Mail-26699-10204 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Tim, You may wish to do as I have done with my similar hide. Use two, or better yet, three bags of Rit dye remover in your washing machine, and wash the hides through several washing cycles, rinse, then let them spin. Tumble dry on delicate, or low cycle with or without wood blocks or old tennis shoes, and you will find a nice difference in the color and texture of your hides, much closet to brain tan color. I stretched my hide after both washing, and drying, but have heard it isn't necessary. Good luck, and Happy New Year to all. Steve Pepke (Truebear) - --WebTV-Mail-26699-10204 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-8.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.45) by storefull-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtpin-102-8.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id D0765200; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:50:10 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: hsteven-pepke@webtv.net Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by smtpin-102-8.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 206DF1DC; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:50:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Ct9z-0002eT-00 for hist_text-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:49:11 -0700 Received: from [24.2.2.66] (helo=mail.rdc1.md.home.com ident=imail) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Ct9x-0002eH-00 for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:49:09 -0700 Received: from home.com ([24.3.52.244]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010101004907.QHOC10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:49:07 -0800 Message-ID: <3A4FD446.6000008@home.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:50:14 -0500 From: Tim Jewell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: Elk hides Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com I have three nice big elk hides that I bought to make some clothing and such out of. The problem is, I bought them before I knew better and they are that wonderful, gold, slick on one side commercial stuff (UGH!). Is there any way to re-tan, dye, or smoke them to make them so that they are acceptable until I can afford/make some brain tan? I checked for info. on braintan.com but didn't see anything. Thanks and Happy New Year to all, I remain... Tim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --WebTV-Mail-26699-10204-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 20:10:16 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides > The problem is, I bought them before I knew better and > they are that wonderful, gold, slick on one side commercial stuff > (UGH!). Is there any way to re-tan, dye, or smoke them to make them so > that they are acceptable until I can afford/make some brain tan? Tim, You can throw them into the washing machine with several packets of Rit Dye Remover and end up with white hides. You can then smoke them if you want. You can also overdye them if you go with a darker color. Walnut hulls will turn them a nice brown. Once they come out of the washing machine, put them in the dryer on low heat and they will tumble dry. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:30:40 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides Tim Like Steve Pepke advised, use Rit dye remover. I had three elk hides and four mule deer hides given to me that were commercially tanned and were the color of ear wax. I used all the dye remover that my store had.....5 or 6 boxes. I turned up the thermostat on my water heater to it's highest setting then washed the hides with a tiny amount of plain soap. Then I filled the washer with the hot water and added the dye remover and ran the hides through a wash cycle but kept a close eye (and ear) on the washer and when the wash cycle was finished, but before it started draining the wash water, I stopped the washer and set it to the wash cycle again. I repeated this until the color of the hides was suitable.....use a broom handle to lift then out of the water. After the color suited me I let the washer complete it's entire cycle. I then ran the hides through another entire wash cycle with only the hides in the washer.....no dye remover, no soap, no bleach. (I was warned that bleach would make the hides slimy, but I don't know if this true or not. I took no chances and used no bleach at all.) Steve's method of drying them worked for him and would presumably work for you, too. I simply hung the hides on cotton ropes strung all over my garage. The hides turned out be completely free of the dyes added by the tannery. My elk skin coat obviously isn't brain tan but it also doesn't look like a Tandy Ranger suit. Good Luck Lanney Ratcliff ps: Don't forget to reset you water heater to it's regular temperature. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:30:38 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Jewell" To: Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 4:50 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Elk hides > I have three nice big elk hides that I bought to make some clothing and > such out of. Tim, I see you have gotten plenty of directions on how to take the color out of your hides. Follow those directions as necessary. One other thing you can do to make them much more serviceable as clothing is to take the scarf skin or epidermis layer off. Brain Tan has no epidermis layer and so it does not shrink and stretch as does top grain commercially tanned leather. Get the hide wet and staple it securely to a flat surface, probably a sheet of plywood, with the hair side up (that is the scarf skin and the part that is removed with the hair in brain tan). It must be very flat and the hides only need to be damp through. Let the hide dry completely. Put a sheet of sheet rock sanding screen in an oscillating (rather than orbiting) sander and very carefully sand off the scarf skin. Do not work in one place too long and do not push too hard. When you get it right the hair side will not be smooth with a grain pattern any more but look like soft velvet. You can now take the color out or dye it or smoke it or all three. With the scarf skin removed the hide will be much more fluffy, just as strong, lighter, and warmer. If you smoke it, it will act much like brain tan. And it will look almost like brain tan. Wear it with the old hair side out. If you choose not to do this and want to make clothing that looks a bit like brain tan, then make the clothing with the flesh side out. It will still be just as cold and clammy as any commercial leather but at least will look more like brain tan. Hope this helps. I remain... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 21:53:57 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides I had an outfit out of white elk one time. Too heavy. I was glad to sell it off to a guy who knew he needed it. I have improved color on some by using clorox in the washer. There is a "color stripper" that the dye people put out that might be more effective and less caustic. Elk will make some nice pouches if you have a stiffer leather such as latigo as the back. Also, they are great for mocs - especially winter mocs, waterproofed with an inner moc of hair-on buffalo or sheep. R. James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:22:35 -0500 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: MtMan-List: Happy New Year!!!!!! To all of our friends out there, the Mouse and I wish to pass along our heart felt wishes for a very happy and prosperous 2001 (the actual new Mellineum). 2000 was been a year of major changes for us.... selling our home and business in Florida, moving to West "By God" Virginia, starting a new business, buying a beautiful old Victorian style home, etc... So far, all is well, and we look forward to meeting more of you at the various 'Vous and events, and seeing again those we have already met. Just remember to ask around for the Mouse House at the Alafia, Eastern, and SouthEastern... we know we will be there for those.... :) May whatever God or Gods (or Goddess) you believe in keep you safe in the coming year, and my Grandfather watch over and protect you... Especially you, Ms Grace... :)) Warmest regards to all.... Addison and Vicki Miller Alderson, WV - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:40:12 -0500 From: "Maryln Adams" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides - ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C073DF.387EA8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What info on brain tan are you looking for? How to do it or where to buy= it? Red Hawk - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Jewell Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 7:51 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: Elk hides I have three nice big elk hides that I bought to make some clothing and such out of. The problem is, I bought them before I knew better and they are that wonderful, gold, slick on one side commercial stuff (UGH!). Is there any way to re-tan, dye, or smoke them to make them so that they are acceptable until I can afford/make some brain tan? I checked for info. on braintan.com but didn't see anything. Thanks and Happy New Year to all, I remain... Tim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html
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I have three nice big elk hides that I bou= ght to make some clothing and
such out of.  The problem is, I bou= ght them before I knew better and
they are that wonderful, gold, slick= on one side commercial stuff
(UGH!).  Is there any way to re-tan= , dye, or smoke them to make them so
that they are acceptable until I = can afford/make some brain tan?  I
checked for info. on braintan.= com but didn't see anything.


Thanks and Happy New Year to all,=
I remain...
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- ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C073DF.387EA8E0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 09:31:37 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Introduction - --------------F8AA7BDC0AA010FCA57A02E2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis Miles wrote: > I don't recall taking such a oath. > > >>You was drunk, with me, Larry... > D > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html who was what !!!!! oath ???? B - --------------F8AA7BDC0AA010FCA57A02E2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis Miles wrote:
   I don't recall taking such a oath.  <GG>

>>You was drunk, with me, Larry...
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  - --------------F8AA7BDC0AA010FCA57A02E2-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 18:12:31 From: "Chance Tiffie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS

Larry,

I received a frock from these people just a few days ago.  It is important that you request the "Traditional Guernsey" when ordering.  The one I received is based off of early Frocks these people have in their posession.  They are entirely hand knitted, and the wool is dyed naturally. Early frocks were Navy in color according to the man I spoke with.  The quality is exceptional, I have worn mine around the house, but plan on giving a field test at the upcoming territorial.

When I say early, I mean approximately 1857, most of the surviving examples are from that year, as the garment gained military popularity.  Is what I have an exact replica of the one Osborne Russel purchased??? I don't know; but I will say that it is as close as you will find today.
They are hand knitted , the wool is from a source that has been around since the 16th century, and they originate in the isles of Guernsey,  the same source of Osborne Russels.

Cliff Tiffie
PO Box 5089
Durant, OK
74702
580-924-4187
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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 12:59:04 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3061198745_25239_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Chance, Can you describe it? does it look like the ones we had in the early 1900's? YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- From: "Chance Tiffie" To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS Date: Mon, Jan 1, 2001, 11:12 AM Larry, I received a frock from these people just a few days ago. It is important that you request the "Traditional Guernsey" when ordering. The one I received is based off of early Frocks these people have in their posession. They are entirely hand knitted, and the wool is dyed naturally. Early frocks were Navy in color according to the man I spoke with. The quality is exceptional, I have worn mine around the house, but plan on giving a field test at the upcoming territorial. When I say early, I mean approximately 1857, most of the surviving examples are from that year, as the garment gained military popularity. Is what I have an exact replica of the one Osborne Russel purchased??? I don't know; but I will say that it is as close as you will find today. They are hand knitted , the wool is from a source that has been around since the 16th century, and they originate in the isles of Guernsey, the same source of Osborne Russels. Cliff Tiffie PO Box 5089 Durant, OK 74702 580-924-4187 - --------------------- Aux Aliments de Pays! Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --MS_Mac_OE_3061198745_25239_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS Chance,
Can you describe it? does it look like the ones we had in the early 1900's?=
YMOS
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From: "Chance Tiffie" <bossloper@hotmail.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS
Date: Mon, Jan 1, 2001, 11:12 AM


Larry,

I received a frock from these people just a few days ago.  It is impor= tant that you request the "Traditional Guernsey" when ordering. &n= bsp;The one I received is based off of early Frocks these people have in the= ir posession.  They are entirely hand knitted, and the wool is dyed nat= urally. Early frocks were Navy in color according to the man I spoke with. &= nbsp;The quality is exceptional, I have worn mine around the house, but plan= on giving a field test at the upcoming territorial.

When I say early, I mean approximately 1857, most of the surviving examples= are from that year, as the garment gained military popularity.  Is wha= t I have an exact replica of the one Osborne Russel purchased???  I don= 't know; but I will say that it is as close as you will find today.
They are hand knitted , the wool is from a source that has been around sinc= e the 16th century, and they originate in the isles of Guernsey,  the s= ame source of Osborne Russels.
Cliff Tiffie
PO Box 5089
Durant, OK
74702
580-924-4187
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