From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #701 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, January 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 701 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Spurs? -       Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS -       MtMan-List: cannon wheels -       Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS -       Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides -       Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? -       Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS -       Re: MtMan-List: 69 MT camp -       Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? -       Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? -       MtMan-List: Indian prayer -       MtMan-List: leather braiding -       Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding -       MtMan-List: Edible Plants -       Re: MtMan-List: Edible Plants -       Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding -       Re: MtMan-List: Edible Plants -       Re: MtMan-List: Edible Plants -       Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? -       Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? -       Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? -       Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? -       Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS -       MtMan-List: Spurs. -       Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? -       Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding -       Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding -       MtMan-List: Re: Priming the Pan -       Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides -       MtMan-List: Re: America from a Canadian's view ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 13:03:42 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: MtMan-List: Spurs? Gentelmen & Ladies Does anyone know of some authentic style Spurs being made and sold? (English front and with a Western style Rowl?. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:05:35 -0800 From: Randal J Bublitz Subject: Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS Hi Cliff, What you have to give for the frock? I checked out the website, but prices were in English pounds. Is it a pullover sweater? hardtack - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 16:53:47 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: cannon wheels Thanks to those who responded with names and addresses of cannon carriage makers. I am sure my cannon will soon have wheels. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:39:18 -0600 From: "Paul W. Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS Would you please post the web-site again. Thanks. > Hi Cliff, What you have to give for the frock? I checked out the > website, but prices were in English pounds. Is it a pullover sweater? > hardtack > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 18:50:37 -0500 From: Tim Jewell Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides Thanks to all for the great responses to my question. I should have some good hides by the weekend. Was going to start on them today, but I'm just not quite up to it. For some reason that damn washing machine is just way too loud today (VBG). Sure hope there is nothing wrong with it. Anyway...Hope you all had a safe New Years eve. I remain.... Tim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:12:18 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? Try Beverly at The Cloak Drummer Co. 267-B East 29th St. # 508 Loveland, CO 80538 (970)622-9557 They are on the road doin' 'vous and SASS stuff, so you may have to be patient, but she had a bunch of styles and it was IMO some nice stuff. Barney Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:20:47 -0800 From: Randal J Bublitz Subject: Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS Hi Paul, here is the web site fro guernsey frocks which was posted earlier...... hardtack www.letricoteur.freeserve.co.uk - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:03:36 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 69 MT camp This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C07425.8B76BB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Buck were you at the Pharriss rendezvous Big Timber camp in 69? I am = still looking for persons who attend this event. John Kramer, were you = at this event? 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Buck were you at the Pharriss = rendezvous Big=20 Timber camp in 69?  I am still looking for persons who attend = this=20 event.  John Kramer, were you at this event?
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C07425.8B76BB00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 19:18:18 -0700 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? Hi Ole, Warren Ferris specifically refered to roweled spurs at the scene of Vanderburgh's death. Doesn't describe them in any further way. It's a clue at least...... Allen At 01:03 PM 01/01/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Gentelmen & Ladies >Does anyone know of some authentic style Spurs being made and sold? (English >front and with a Western style Rowl?. >YMOS >Ole # 718 > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:02:15 -0800 From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? Hey Ole; I found some "OK" styled spurs at the tack shop and reworked them in to a more authentic look. the "OK" style goes back to the early 1800's or earlier and has the rowel and shank angle up so they can be worn with brogans or low heeled boots, [moccasins to]. the modern version of "OK" spur is basically the same, but with a few changes in decoration and on how they attach the bibs. there is a good example of a similar style in the B.O.B. #4 in C Hansen's article on rendezvous goods. I'll show you mine next time I see you. Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ole B. Jensen To: hist_text Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Spurs? > Gentelmen & Ladies > Does anyone know of some authentic style Spurs being made and sold? (English > front and with a Western style Rowl?. > YMOS > Ole # 718 > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:24:39 -0000 From: "Glenn Darilek" Subject: MtMan-List: Indian prayer Dr. Tom Whitecloud is also credited with creating the Indian prayer in http://www.ipl.org/cgi/ref/native/browse.pl/A464 http://www.aaip.com/whoweare/prayer.html http://www.main.org/boyscout/cacrev.htm#apttgs http://muweb.millersville.edu/~columbus/papers/sanguinito.html http://bluelady2.homestead.com/Native_American_Wisdom.html http://members.nbci.com/Mim.1/indians/ http://nativenet.uthscsa.edu/archive/nc/9509/0343.html I also saw where Tom Whitecloud died in 1972. He was a doctor, artist, poet, and writer. Glenn Darilek Iron Burner >Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:59:48 -0600 >From: "Frank Fusco" >Subject: MtMan-List: Indian prayer > The reference to this prayer being credited to Dr. Whitecloud in 1971 >seems a bit dubious to me. > My information about the prayer came from a Masonic publication. It >certainly would be easier for someone in 1971 to 'borrow' the prayer from a >1776 source than visa versa. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:51:09 -0800 From: "atthesea" Subject: MtMan-List: leather braiding Hello the list. Am going to try to braid a leather shoulder strap for my and my son's horn. Am interested in a round braid style. I think I can accomplish the braid but am wondering what length of lace to start with. Will be doing a 3-strand braid. Is there a magic ratio of starting length to finished length? Thanks and Happy New Year to all. Regards, Ghostrider in mild (64 degrees today) Coos Bay, Oregon. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:13:58 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding Ghostrider, I'm not sure I have a book that says one way or another. I did a three strand braid of brain tan for my horn strap and probably just allowed about three to one for the length lost in braiding. Do a short stretch and see how much is used in a given distance. Multiply that times the total distance wanted. Allow for miscalculation and go long. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 23:13:08 -0700 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Edible Plants This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C07448.676C6C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My wonderful wife was so kind as to get me a book on edible plants for = Christmas, but unfortunately it covers the eastern US not western. I = first feared she might be sending me packing and this was my notice. = But know I believe it was just a simple mistake. The problem is that we = do not know what is a good book (ideally with color pictures) for the = edible and inedible plants in the Rockies. Knowing the bad ones may be = as important as knowing the good ones. After all Crazy's beloved Jill = frowned on us both for our idea that if it tasted good it couldn't to = bad. WY - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C07448.676C6C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My wonderful wife was so kind as to get = me a book=20 on edible plants for Christmas, but unfortunately it covers the eastern = US not=20 western.  I first feared she might be sending me packing and this = was my=20 notice. But know I believe it was just a simple mistake.  The = problem is=20 that we do not know what is a good book (ideally with color pictures) = for the=20 edible and inedible plants in the Rockies.  Knowing the bad ones = may be as=20 important as knowing the good ones.  After all Crazy's beloved Jill = frowned=20 on us both for our idea that if it tasted good it couldn't to = bad.
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C07448.676C6C00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:46:32 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Edible Plants > The problem is that we do not know what is a good book (ideally with color > pictures) for the edible and inedible plants in the Rockies. The only one I have ever seen is entitled, "Potions, Portions, Poisons.....Indian and Settler plant uses." It's a nicely written and illustrated booklet of 64 pages long. Probably out of print now, but it was written by Gretchen Cutts, 2336 Sunset Lane, Greeley, CO 80631. Copyright 1976 There are a few promising books listed in the biblio that were published pre-64 and are also probably now out of print. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:38:49 -0800 From: Randal J Bublitz Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding Love that response Capt ., Reminds me of the old plumbers advise, turn it as tight as you can get it, then give it another 1/4 turn...... hardtack - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 23:11:01 -0800 From: Randal J Bublitz Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Edible Plants WY, have a few books... Common and Edible Plants of the West Muriel Sweet ISBN 0-87961-046-8 How Indians Use Wild Plants for Food , Medicine & Crafts Frances Densmore ISBN 0-486-23019-8 Field Guide to Edible Wild Plants Bradford Angier ISBN 0-8117-0616-8 Field Guide to Medicinal Wild Plants Bradford Angier ISBN 0-8117-2076-4 hope this helps.......... hardtack - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 05:54:14 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Edible Plants Randal J Bublitz wrote: > WY, have a few books... > Common and Edible Plants of the West Muriel Sweet ISBN > 0-87961-046-8 > How Indians Use Wild Plants for Food , Medicine & Crafts Frances > Densmore ISBN 0-486-23019-8 > Field Guide to Edible Wild Plants Bradford Angier ISBN > 0-8117-0616-8 > Field Guide to Medicinal Wild Plants Bradford Angier > ISBN 0-8117-2076-4 > hope this helps.......... hardtack > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One of the best books covering edibles of the Stoney Mountains (Rockies) is: "Meet the Natives" by M.Walter Pesman (1887-1962) ISBN 1-879373-31-9. now in it's 9th addition, considered by the Denver Botanic Gardens as the amateur's field guide for the Rocky Mountains, this is the book used and is required reading in most of the edible classes available around here. Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 06:53:51 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? Allen, I have a drawing of them, I just need someone to make them. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: Allen Hall >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? >Date: Mon, Jan 1, 2001, 7:18 PM > >Hi Ole, > >Warren Ferris specifically refered to roweled spurs at the scene of >Vanderburgh's death. Doesn't describe them in any further way. It's a clue >at least...... > > >Allen > > >At 01:03 PM 01/01/2001 -0700, you wrote: >>Gentelmen & Ladies >>Does anyone know of some authentic style Spurs being made and sold? (English >>front and with a Western style Rowl?. >>YMOS >>Ole # 718 >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 06:56:13 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? Tom, Are you comming to the camp this next weekend? I will be comming up Saturday. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? >Date: Mon, Jan 1, 2001, 9:02 PM > >Hey Ole; >I found some "OK" styled spurs at the tack shop and reworked them in to a >more authentic look. the "OK" style goes back to the early 1800's or >earlier and has the rowel and shank angle up so they can be worn with >brogans or low heeled boots, [moccasins to]. the modern version of "OK" >spur is basically the same, but with a few changes in decoration and on how >they attach the bibs. there is a good example of a similar style in the >B.O.B. #4 in C Hansen's article on rendezvous goods. I'll show you mine >next time I see you. >Tom >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ole B. Jensen >To: hist_text >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 12:03 PM >Subject: MtMan-List: Spurs? > > >> Gentelmen & Ladies >> Does anyone know of some authentic style Spurs being made and sold? >(English >> front and with a Western style Rowl?. >> YMOS >> Ole # 718 >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 06:58:51 -0700 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? Ole, Check with Rex Norman at Fort Laramie. If I remember right they sell a old military spur which is just like the ones pictured in the Mountain Man Sketch book. If they don't, there is a tack shop north of me where I purchsed mine a few years ago. mike. "Ole B. Jensen" wrote: > Gentelmen & Ladies > Does anyone know of some authentic style Spurs being made and sold? (English > front and with a Western style Rowl?. > YMOS > Ole # 718 > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 07:05:18 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? Mike, Do you have any phone numbers or e-mail info?. YMOS Ole #718 - ---------- >From: Mike Moore >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? >Date: Tue, Jan 2, 2001, 6:58 AM > >Ole, > Check with Rex Norman at Fort Laramie. If I remember >right they sell a old military spur which is just like the ones >pictured in the Mountain Man Sketch book. If they >don't, there is a tack shop north of me where I purchsed >mine a few years ago. > mike. > >"Ole B. Jensen" wrote: > >> Gentelmen & Ladies >> Does anyone know of some authentic style Spurs being made and sold? (English >> front and with a Western style Rowl?. >> YMOS >> Ole # 718 >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 14:34:59 From: "Chance Tiffie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: GUERNSEY FROCKS I paid 68 pounds for my frock including shipping. The currency converter on the internet estimated that to be around $96.00. The Frock is a pullover, I would say it was similar to a sweater, but the bottom is not fitted. Cliff Tiffie PO Box 5089 Durant, OK 74702 580-924-4187 - --------------------- Aux Aliments de Pays! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 14:38:09 From: "Chance Tiffie" Subject: MtMan-List: Spurs. Ole, Roman Gillitzer of Montana is making correct fur trade era spurs, tin dipped or plain. I do not have his address in front of me, but someone on this list will. Cliff Tiffie PO Box 5089 Durant, OK 74702 580-924-4187 - --------------------- Aux Aliments de Pays! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:54:01 EST From: BrayHaven@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spurs? In a message dated 1/2/2001 8:55:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, olebjensen@earthlink.net writes: << Allen, I have a drawing of them, I just need someone to make them. YMOS Ole # 718 >> Can you send me a scan of the drawing? I might be able to make em. Have made some bits and modified some spurs but never tred to make a set. Might be easier & cheaper to find something close and modify them in the forge & machine shop Greg Sefton, Gunsmith Blacksmith Mule lover BJ1 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:51:47 -0600 From: Victoria Pate Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding What would we do without Capt. Lahti' ??? I can't bear the thought of being without Capt. Lahti's words of wisdom. Victoria On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:38:49 -0800 Randal J Bublitz writes: > Love that response Capt ., Reminds me of the old plumbers > advise, > turn it as tight as you can get it, then give it another 1/4 > turn...... > hardtack > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:26:22 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victoria Pate" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 9:51 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding > What would we do without Capt. Lahti' ??? > > I can't bear the thought of being without > Capt. Lahti's words of wisdom. > > Victoria Now Ms. Victoria, your making me blush! Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:24:19 -0500 (EST) From: SpiritoftheWood@webtv.net Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Priming the Pan Good evening to all! I just wanted to thank all that gave such good advice on firing my Flint lock for the first time. I did not have a single miss fire,due no doubt to the excellent advice I received from List members! I only had two small mishaps. I lost a flint because I forgot to tighten my Cock (ouch!!) and broke a ram rod. Due to the fact that it was very windy as well as cold we were loading and cleaning in a low roofed shed,I suppose you can guess what happened next (crack!!!) Over all had a great time and can honestly say I am hooked on Flint Locks!!! We finished off the day with a bond fire some good Brandy and the sale of my Cap Lock to my buddy so I can start saving up for a custom Flinter!!! Thanks again ad Happy New Year to all!!!! I Remain, M.A Smith "In Wildness Is the Preservation of the World" Thoreau http://community.webtv.net/SpiritoftheWood/THEBUCKSKINNERSCABIN - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:57:12 -0800 From: "Stitchin' Scotsman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides Tim, At the risk of raining on someone's parade;Try the recipe on a small to medium piece of one of your hides instead of the whole lot just in case something should go wrong and you change all of your hides to a lovely shade of light green. Just a thought. Long John - -----Original Message----- From: Tim Jewell To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, January 01, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Elk hides >Thanks to all for the great responses to my question. I should have >some good hides by the weekend. Was going to start on them today, but >I'm just not quite up to it. For some reason that damn washing machine >is just way too loud today (VBG). Sure hope there is nothing wrong with >it. Anyway...Hope you all had a safe New Years eve. > >I remain.... >Tim > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:19:54 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: America from a Canadian's view - --------------3039ABDC46465A2FF528C17C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's an article of interest for us in the lower 48, though I would share with the Yankee's. >> America: The Good Neighbor. >> >> Widespread but only partial news coverage was given >> recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from >> Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television >> commentator. What follows is the full text of his >> trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional >> Record: > > America from a Canadian's view > >> "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the >> Americans as the most generous and possibly the least >> appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, >> to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy >> were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans >> who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other >> billions in debts. None of these countries is today >> paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the >> United States. When France was in danger of collapsing >> in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and >> their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the >> streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. > >> When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United >> States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American >> communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. >> The Marshall Plan and the Truman >> Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged >> countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing >> about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to >> see just one of those countries that is gloating over >> the erosion of the United States dollar build its own >> airplane. Does any other country in the world have a >> plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed >> Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they >> fly them? Why do all the International lines except >> Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on >> earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? >> You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. >> You talk about German technocracy, and you get >> automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and >> you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - >> and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the >> Americans put theirs right in the store window for >> everybody to look at . Even their draft-dodgers are not >> pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and >> most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, >> are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to >> spend here. > >> When the railways of France, Germany and India were >> breaking down through age, it was the Americans who >> rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New >> York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old >> caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times >> when the Americans raced to the help of other people in >> trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else >> raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there >> was outside help even during the San Francisco >> earthquake. > > The only case in point that comes to mind, is the French > coming to the Americans aid during the Rev. War. > > >> Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one >> Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked >> around. They will come out of this thing with their flag >> high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their >> nose at the lands that are gloating over their present >> troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." >> >> Stand proud, America! > Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - --------------3039ABDC46465A2FF528C17C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's an article of interest for us in the lower 48, though I would share with the Yankee's.
America: The Good Neighbor.

     Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

America from a Canadian's view
    "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy
were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
   When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman
Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?  If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at . Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.  They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
    When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
The only case in point that comes to mind, is the French coming to the Americans aid during the Rev. War.
 
    Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!


Later,
Buck Conner
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