From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #704 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, January 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 704 In this issue: -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Leather Braiding -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: shoes, boots -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Leather Braiding -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Leather Braiding -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Wilson Price Hunt/Antelopes -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Wilson Price Hunt/Antelopes -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Wilson Price Hunt/Antelopes/rabbits -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Book Source -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Book Source -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Book Source -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Re: Currency -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Book Source -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Re: Currency -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Re: Currency -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Leather Braiding -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Book Source -牋牋牋 Re: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Re: Gun Cleaning -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Tow linen source -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: shoes, boots -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Re: MtMan-Book -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Re: Gun Cleaning -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: CBC TV--Fur trade episode ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:36:17 -0700 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Leather Braiding This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C076A7.2293C720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "atthesea" Subject: MtMan-List: leather braiding Hello the list. Am going to try to braid a leather shoulder strap for = my and my son's horn. Am interested in a round braid style. I think I = can accomplish the braid but am wondering what length of lace to start with. Will be doing a 3-strand braid. Is there a magic ratio of starting = length to finished length? Thanks and Happy New Year to all. Regards, Ghostrider in mild (64 degrees today) Coos Bay, Oregon. I apolagize for being so slow at responding to this post but I would = like to make a couple of comments on braiding that might help you Ghost = (or should it be Mr Rider). You meantioned a three strand round = braid, that I am not familair with but I will attest to the merits of = the four strand round. It is simple and aethetically pleasing and = allows a nice wall and crown terminal knot on the end Bruce Grants book "How to Make Cowboy Gear" is an excellant source for = braids and how to use them. Another hint that I learned from some = friends the other day is that it really works best to pull the braid = tight with the thong you are going to work with then braid it in. And = they do pull. It looks like they are going to break the thong before = they quit. But then you can twist that braid round all you want and you = wont see daylight through it. If you do break a thong it can be fixed = but I wont go into that here. Lastly, my experience is that if you double the length of the thongs you = will be fine for the finished length, but I have not braided brain tan = yet so I would defer to the Capt on that. At least for a little while = (The brain tan just needs smoking and I can start using it). I hope this helps WY - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C076A7.2293C720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From: "atthesea" <atthesea@gte.net>
Subject: = MtMan-List:=20 leather braiding

Hello the list. Am going to try to braid a = leather=20 shoulder strap for my
and my son's horn. Am interested in = a round=20 braid style. I think I can
accomplish the braid but am = wondering what=20 length of lace to start with.
Will be doing a 3-strand braid. = Is there=20 a magic ratio of starting length
to finished length?
Thanks and = Happy New=20 Year to all.
Regards,
Ghostrider in mild (64 degrees today) Coos = Bay,=20 Oregon.

I apolagize for being so slow at responding to this post = but I=20 would like to make a couple of comments on braiding that might help you = Ghost=20 (or should it be Mr Rider<g>). You meantioned a three strand = round=20 braid, that I am not familair with but I will attest to the merits of = the four=20 strand round. It is simple and aethetically pleasing and allows a = nice=20 wall and crown terminal knot on the end

Bruce Grants book "How to Make Cowboy = Gear" is an=20 excellant source for braids and how to use them. Another hint that = I=20 learned from some friends the other day is that it really works best to = pull the=20 braid tight with the thong you are going to work with then braid it = in. And they do pull. It looks like they are going to break = the=20 thong before they quit. But then you can twist that braid round = all you=20 want and you wont see daylight through it. If you do break a thong = it can=20 be fixed but I wont go into that here.

Lastly, my experience is that if you = double the=20 length of the thongs you will be fine for the finished length, but I = have not=20 braided brain tan yet so I would defer to the Capt on that. At = least for a=20 little while (The brain tan just needs smoking and I can start using=20 it).

I hope this helps

- ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C076A7.2293C720-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:04:17 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: shoes, boots Richard James, said, Richard, most of the time, I don't believe lack of caring or interest is the reason at all. I think the issue of proper [or 'perceived' improper] footwear comes from a variety of factors. Depending on the type of event some participants simply may not have the proper footwear. And many people are able to attend only one or two primitive events a year, others less. Good period footwear is expensive and putting shoes on baby at home takes a priority. Also, the original guys 'back then' were young and resigned to hardship. That does not mean they survived the hardship, but simply had no other choices. Today we are probably much older on the average and we do have a choice. I am not going to destroy my health for the sake of being 'authentic'. And finding appropriate footwear for all bad weather conditions is very difficult. One member of this list recently boasted about some very nice cold weather mocs he had just received or made. That is great. But in some climates even heavy fur mocs or pacs simply will not do the job. Our friends fur mocs may be great in dry, frozen and zero degree weather. But come to Arkansas in early spring and the first step into a semi-frozen mud and slush puddle in thirty degree weather will give him wet and very cold feet. A dangerous and uncomfortable situation. In a case like that modern water resistant boots, hidden best the wearer can do are the only wise alternative. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 08:34:27 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots Frank, Most of the modern footwear has only been around for 70 years, but most of the foot problems have been around forever. Our ancestors have delt with things far worse then we can imagine while in the process of seateling the land. Research will discover ways of dealing with whatever problem we have. A good pair of boots or shoes fitted with internal supports designed by a foot Doctor can solve most any problem, the bigger problem that most of us have is cost.I have found a couple of sources for boots and three sources for period shoes. Boots cost around 300.00 and shoes are less than 100.00 it may take time to save the money or a few trade deals, but it can be done. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: "Frank Fusco" >To: "AMM" >Subject: MtMan-List: shoes, boots >Date: Fri, Jan 5, 2001, 7:04 AM > >Richard James, said, > > to turn my head so many times to men with outfits where they just kinda lost >interest below the ankles. Reasons? Didn't know? Didn't Care?> > > Richard, most of the time, I don't believe lack of caring or interest is >the reason at all. I think the issue of proper [or 'perceived' improper] >footwear comes from a variety of factors. > Depending on the type of event some participants simply may not have the >proper footwear. And many people are able to attend only one or two >primitive events a year, others less. Good period footwear is expensive and >putting shoes on baby at home takes a priority. > Also, the original guys 'back then' were young and resigned to hardship. >That does not mean they survived the hardship, but simply had no other >choices. Today we are probably much older on the average and we do have a >choice. I am not going to destroy my health for the sake of being >'authentic'. > And finding appropriate footwear for all bad weather conditions is very >difficult. One member of this list recently boasted about some very nice >cold weather mocs he had just received or made. That is great. But in some >climates even heavy fur mocs or pacs simply will not do the job. Our >friends fur mocs may be great in dry, frozen and zero degree weather. But >come to Arkansas in early spring and the first step into a semi-frozen mud >and slush puddle in thirty degree weather will give him wet and very cold >feet. A dangerous and uncomfortable situation. > In a case like that modern water resistant boots, hidden best the wearer >can do are the only wise alternative. >Frank G. Fusco >Mountain Home, Arkansas > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:49:34 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Leather Braiding This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C076F4.6D158AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lastly, my experience is that if you double the length of the thongs = you will be fine for the finished length, but I have not braided brain = tan yet so I would defer to the Capt on that. At least for a little = while (The brain tan just needs smoking and I can start using it). I hope this helps Ghostrider, Go with Wynn's doubling suggestion. If you use brain tan you will find = that it stretches and holds that length. So stretch it to take all that = out and calculate your length accordingly. Should work fine. I like = Wynn's idea of using a 4 strand braid with a nice wall and crown finish. = Should be plenty of old sailors around Coos Bay that could help if = needed.=20 Capt. Lahti' - ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C076F4.6D158AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Lastly, my experience is that if you = double the=20 length of the thongs you will be fine for the finished length, but I = have not=20 braided brain tan yet so I would defer to the Capt on that. At = least for=20 a little while (The brain tan just needs smoking and I can start using = it).

I hope this helps

Ghostrider,

Go with Wynn's doubling suggestion. If you use = brain tan you=20 will find that it stretches and holds that length. So stretch it to = take all=20 that out and calculate your length accordingly. Should work fine. I = like=20 Wynn's idea of using a 4 strand braid with a nice wall and crown = finish.=20 Should be plenty of old sailors around Coos Bay that could help if = needed.=20

Capt. Lahti'

- ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C076F4.6D158AC0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:22:58 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Leather Braiding > I like Wynn's idea of using a 4 strand braid with a nice wall and crown > finish. Should be plenty of old sailors around Coos Bay that could help if > needed. Capt. Perhaps one of you old anchor clankers could explain what a "wall and crown" is. I know how to do a crown knot, but have never heard of the other term. Dave - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:06:29 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Wilson Price Hunt/Antelopes Hallo the List, I'm reading Washington Irving's "Astoria" , which gives an excellent account of Wilson Price Hunt's journey over land to the coast. In June 1811, Hunt mentions seeing two kinds of antelope on the Plains... "one nearly the size of the common deer, the other not much larger than a goat"..... Hmmmm....can't say that I've ever seen more than ONE kinda antelope. Do you reckon he was looking at the young of the year? Ymos, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:17:58 -0700 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wilson Price Hunt/Antelopes > Hmmmm....can't say that I've ever seen more than ONE kinda antelope. Do you > reckon he was looking at the young of the year? Ymos, Magpie Hi Magpie, I have a book by a Dr. Allen who was early in the Billings area. He writes about 2 different antelope. One much smaller than the other. The little antelope were rubbed out. How is your weather over there? Super warm here. I am cutting up a buffalo hide to make up some more winter mocs. Those last 2 winter storms were pretty had on the wildlife. Would have been hard on any mountain men caught up in it unprepared. Where was Hunt at when he saw the antelope? Walt - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:49:43 -0700 From: Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wilson Price Hunt/Antelopes/rabbits List Ho, Osborne Russell's journal has an account about black rabbits with a white spot on their chests in the Greys River country. Might be a good biological study waiting for someone if they could find out. Rick - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:53:50 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: MtMan-List: Book Source Can any body steer me to a source for the book "Scotsman in Buckskins" about Sir William Drummand Stuart? Thanks, Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:06:19 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Book Source Capt. I found Two. One on www.bibliofind.com and the other on www.alibris.com. Neither are cheap but both are hardbacks in good shape. "Teton" Todd D. Glover - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:27:35 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Book Source Thanks Teton, I'll pass the info off to my buddy. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:54:53 EST From: Wind1838@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Currency We all know that the currency of the Rocky Mountains during the fur trade was the furry banknote, but, did you know In 1792 the U.S. Congress created the U.S. Mint. The Mint was the first federal building built under the new Constitution. when the Mint was ready to open in Philadelphia, there was no silver. It is said that President George Washington donated some of his personal family silver tableware to the U.S. Mint to make the first silver coins. The silver was melted down and made into five-cent coins. In 1793, the very first coins created at the Mint were 11, 178 copper cents. the first forty-four years of its life, the penny was made of pure copper. In 1837, the composition of the cent was changed to bronze. Interestingly today, there is very little copper in a copper penny. The penny is actually copper-plated zinc. So any of those pennies you've collected during the fur trade, that were in the pockets of Jim Bridger, Osborne Russell, or Joe Meeks have quite a history behind them. Just thought I'd mention it. Fair weather to you, Laura Glise - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:46:05 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots I suspect that Richard referred to the wearing of modern shoes and boots rather than mocs or period boots. Good period footwear is expensive and > putting shoes on baby at home takes a priority. After a couple of events most folks have spent more on gas, groceries and smokes to get there than would have been spent on some inexpensive leather. Mocs are not expensive, most styles are acceptable as long as they are personally hand crafted, mocs are not hard to make. First timers might expect some slack. But after a while one wonders at their commitment to the standards of the group and their willingness to embrace the rules in spirit and in deed. I am not going to destroy my health for the sake of being > 'authentic'. I think it has been made abundantly clear that even in the most hard core venu's a lot of slack is cut for some one with a medical or even a perceived medical need. It has been shown that mocs can and are worn over more supportive modern shoes when age or condition will not admit to wearing unsoled mocs. . But > come to Arkansas in early spring and the first step into a semi-frozen mud > and slush puddle in thirty degree weather will give him wet and very cold > feet. A dangerous and uncomfortable situation. Our experiences and woods practices seem to be different. I don't step into semi-frozen mud and slush puddles in our equally wet and cold 30+- degree weather out west. When I do get into such situations as can not be avoided, my winter mocs get a bit wet but my feet do not get cold because of how they are constructed and how they are worn. If one insists on doing it an ineffective way then the results will be predictable. > In a case like that modern water resistant boots, hidden best the wearer > can do are the only wise alternative. A fine solution to someone who will not learn. Respectfully, Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:06:51 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Book Source In a message dated 1/5/01 12:53:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes: << a source for the book "Scotsman in Buckskins" >> Cap't, Try pacificbook.com, zelacom.com, bibliofind.com, alibris.com and amazon.com. I think most of them, if they don't have it in stock, will search for the item for you and then quote you a price when they find it... hope this helps, Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:32:11 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Currency Very interesting Laura, I have an 1816 penny. How about paper currency? What do you think was the most common paper currency being used in St. Louis and Prepare du Chen during the period? Any others care to comment? "Teton" Todd D. Glover - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:38:17 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Currency Darn spell checker..... "Teton" Todd D. Glover - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:44:21 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Leather Braiding TOF and List, The Wall and Crown is a knot woven into the end of a line somewhat back on itself. The Wall Knot is also known as a "Pig-Tail" and the common French name is " Cul de Porc". The Wall and Crown is a somewhat more complex continuation of the basic Wall Knot and is also known as a "Skull Pig-Tail" and in the French, as "Cul de Porc avec Tete de Mort. An adaptation of the three strand or multi strand Wall Knot is used by electricians to secure the two or three wires at the end of a cable run (in the box) so they do not continually strain to separate. The two strands of the "electricians knot" is an easy way to see how the multi strand knot would be tied. In the case of fiber lines, a wall knot would be used to "stop" the end of the line so that the three strands making up the line would not "unlay". So you can see that such knots can be used in any flexible strand be it leather, wire, or fiber line. A "crown knot" is the same knot we use to start a "back splice" in small stuff. When the three strands are tied into the starting "crown" they point down or more back along the "mother line". This allows us to start "weaving" the strands back into themselves. It allows us to turn the corner or turn back. When we tie a Wall Knot, the strands turn up or seem to continue again in their original direction within the "mother line". This provides the decorative bump or stopper in a continuing run of line. Were you to tie either knot alone, it would be an unfinished temporary knot. As you would use the crown knot to start a splice as mentioned, you would or could use a wall knot to form a "bump" in the running length of the line. Specifically, you would tie the Wall Knot, relay (retwist) the strands together again and whip them at their ends. This would give you a line with a whipped end but with an attractive "stopper" knot just short of the end. Again, you can combine both Wall and Crown at the very end of the line to finish it without having a whipped end. One might make a quirt of leather having a number of free strands with which to encourage the horse to greater efforts. One would provide for those free strands, tie a wall and crown to secure them, braid an attractive "several strand" braided section for a handle, and finish with another wall and crown to form a "knot" at the end of the handle so the quirt did not fly out of your hand in the heat of the buffalo chase. There are a zillion variations to the basic crown knot and wall knot that can be added within the running part of a line and at the end. A diagram of both knots and their variations would take many pages. Most good knot tying books will show the basic knots and some variations. Such knots are often used to decorate lanyards onboard ships and even sailors personal gear and equipment. A Boatswains Pipe will be suspended from a cleverly braided lanyard made up of a series of such "fancy" knots and braids. Simple macram� work is very similar though not quite as complicated in comparison. A trip to a library might turn up a reference copy of "The Ashley Book of Knots" by Clifford W. Ashley, which will keep any budding knot tier busy for the next 90 years learning how to tie the several thousand knots within and all their variations. I remain........ YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:51:28 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Book Source I will Barney, Thanks. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:35:34 -0700 From: "Daniel L. Smith" Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots
MtMan-List: shoes, boots: Frank wrote: I am not going to destroy my health for the sake of being 'authentic'..... Roger wrote: I think it has been made abundantly clear that even in the most hard core venu's a lot of slack is cut for some one with a medical or even a perceived medical need........ - ------------------------- Frank, like Roger has stated, many of us have bad feet, mine from a land mine, Buck's from a Seabee's 4 ton loader. We both wear special inserts in our period footwear, again mine is for the arches and balls of my feet, Buck has to wear a cup on one heel - as the meat on that area has never reattached to the bone, even after 35 years. I don't think we have ever been hasseled at events or AMM doings, you do the best you can with what you got and be damn proud of making an attempt at doing it. We have friend that has one leg and one arm off from his service as a Navy Seal, he is now known as "Capt. Hook" in the rendezvous circles with his peg leg and sterling silver cup and large fish hook used to replace missing limbs, if there's a will - there's a way. Don't give up trying different ideas, you'll find one that works for, good luck.

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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:55:26 EST From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Gun Cleaning In a message dated 1/4/01 11:56:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes: << You can also fold the tow into a ball and screw the worm into it. When your through unwind the tow and wash and dry it for further use. >> Capt. Lahti, I have heard of using tow a lot now and sounds like a good way to start learning to clean my new flinter (learn the HC way that works well and you don't have to relearn any "modern" ways, right?) I knew a person over in NC that mad linsey-woolsey shirts from the flax plant to finsished shirt but do not know of any other sources of tow!!! Any suggestions on places to get tow? (Maybe I need to plant flax down by the pond, go ahead and make a "breaking block" and get ready to card? ) Thanks for your help (on this and many other issues you have helped on!!!) - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 21:08:42 -0500 From: tom roberts Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots Capt'n, I enjoyed the whole post, but was intrigued by one part in particular. Thankfully, I've never had occasion to get my feet wet during freezing conditions, but I'm wondering what footwear would offer reasonable protection in that circumstance. In your experience do you find that a hair-in moc (buff for example) behaves similar to wool by insulating well even when wet or are you lining a regular moc with wool wrapping? Tom Roger Lahti wrote: > > Our experiences and woods practices seem to be different. I don't step into > semi-frozen mud and slush puddles in our equally wet and cold 30+- degree > weather out west. When I do get into such situations as can not be avoided, > my winter mocs get a bit wet but my feet do not get cold because of how they > are constructed and how they are worn. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:10:11 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: MtMan-List: Tow linen source For good flax and tow fiber contact: Silver Shuttle ML 2547 Madison Memphis, TN 38112 They sell a good size bundle for a few bucks. "Teton" Todd D. Glover - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:14:23 -0600 From: Victoria Pate Subject: Re: MtMan-List: leather braiding > Ms. Victoria, > > I remember the repartee. I get the joke. I still want to know what > it means. > Perhaps you could turn on some of that Southern Bell charm and > get them > to tell you. Then you can tell me. > > Capt. Lahti' > I'll do my bay-est. Victoria > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:25:01 EST From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: shoes, boots In a message dated 1/5/01 9:05:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, frankf@centurytel.net writes: << In a case like that modern water resistant boots, hidden best the wearer can do are the only wise alternative. >> Mr. Fusco, I am glad to hear that someone understands that people (especially those of us "just starting out" in life) don't have the resources to get ALL our pc 'vous gear at once. Does this means that those people should not attend or be excluded from the camp fun? I hope not!! And also that one must think of one's long-term health (does not do one any good to get oneself in such a condition that they cannot enjoy the outdoors anymore!!! If one were going to wear modern footwear for one reason or another...what would be a good way of making it "blend" better? (solid colors? Buff tan boots?) Thanks for your input. - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:36:16 -0600 From: Victoria Pate Subject: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan-Book Capt. Lahti', Beins you're so popular tonight and are such an unending source of data and wisdom , perhaps you can answer a query I have. I'm reading " This Reckless Breed of Men-The Trappers and Fur Traders of the Southwest" by Robert Glass Cleland. On page 240, there is a mention of the Russian-American Fur Company. Do you, or anyone on the list, know the history of this company and who were the Americans involved in it? Thanks, Victoria - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:50:21 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Gun Cleaning Any suggestions on places to get tow? > (Maybe I need to plant flax down by the pond, go ahead and make a "breaking > block" and get ready to card? ) While I am reading the rest of my email, do a search of all the suttlers listed on the home page and various other places and do a web search for "linen", "flax" and "hemp". When you find them talking about raw flax or hemp or tow, you are home free. Let me know how the search goes. I'll be right back. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 19:46:13 -0700 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: MtMan-List: CBC TV--Fur trade episode At last! On Sunday, from 8-10 p.m. (in each time zone), CBC will air the episode of _Canada: A People's History_ which deals with the Canadian fur trade. Jeff & I had a minor part in this show--we did informal consulting, rented them some props (the cassette on the tumbling dogsled is Jeff's), and it's Jeff's sextant (and hands!) in any shots showing David Thompson using 'his' sextant. There is already some stuff on the CBC's website to go with this episode (Episode 6 - The Pathfinders); if you're interested, check out http://cbc.ca/history/?MIval=EpisodeHome.html&episode_id=6&lang=E Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #704 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.