From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #708 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, January 11 2001 Volume 01 : Number 708 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: TOF??? -       Re: MtMan-List: TOF??? -       MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blanket -       Re: MtMan-List: hudson bay blanket -       MtMan-List: Antique Dealers -       Re: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers -       Re: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers -       MtMan-List: Pipes -       Re: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers -       Re: MtMan-List: hudson bay blanket -       Re: MtMan-List: hudson bay blanket -       MtMan-List: Pipes -       Re: MtMan-List: gun parts & supplies? -       Re: MtMan-List: Ponyrider and LeRoy Haftn -       Re: MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blanket -       Re: MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blanket -       Re: MtMan-List: Sinew -       Re: MtMan-List: Sinew -       Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots -       Re: MtMan-List: Sinew -       Re: MtMan-List: Sinew -       Re: MtMan-List: Sinew -       Re: MtMan-List: Sinew -       Re: MtMan-List: Sinew -       MtMan-List: hudson bay blkt -       MtMan-List: hudson blkt. anqt dealer -       MtMan-List: Some Interesting Pictures -       Re: MtMan-List: Some Interesting Pictures -       Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots -       MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:02:06 -0600 -       Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:08:43 -0600 From: "Henry B. Crawford" Subject: MtMan-List: TOF??? >Hey Ponyrider, > >Here is a book [blah, blah, blah] The book may be optained from TOF in >soft cover, 336 >pages, 6" x 9" format, illustrated with maps for only $15.00 Please excuse my ignorance, but what is TOF? HBC ********************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University Box 43191 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 henry.b.crawford@ttu.edu 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum *** Living History . . . Because It's There *** - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:12:05 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TOF??? > Please excuse my ignorance, but what is TOF? I was wondering the same thing. Maybe he means TOW (Track of the Wolf). In this case, TOF is not me. TOF - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:22:27 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blanket Ponyrider asked, The Hudson Bay company still sells the blankets. They have an Internet site which you can find with a simple search. I am sure they have the answers you need. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:33:38 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hudson bay blanket James A. Hanson of The Museum Of The Fur Trade published some great information on the history of blankets. Taken from his writings, and as others have mentioned, the small thin 'point stripes', first noted by the French Canadian in about 1694, are what was used to determine the size, weight and/or value of the blanket. The three are in direct relationship to each other, meaning bigger and heavier cost more. The original point stripes were done in colored wools, and were about an inch long. Later (1890), the US Offise Of Indian Trade specified that point marks should be about the length of a finger (3-4 inches). Today there are sometimes five inches or more and done in black. To back up your argument Ponyrider, it should be noted that there is even a correct place for the point marks on a blanket. If one holds the blanket vertically, THE POINTS APPEAR AT THE LOWER RIGHT of the blanket. These points were made by hand, AND WERE SEEN ON ONLY ONE SIDE OF THE BLANKET. These two things would prove to your 'antique dealer' that the broad, full width colored stripes were NOT the point stripes. The value factor of the points changed over time, depending on the value of pelts, but it was generally thought that one stripe = one beaver pelt. As to size, the point stripes varied in their meaning somewhat, but generally were about these sizes, depending on the manufacturer and whose specifications they were made to: 1 point = 32x46, 1 1/2 = 36x50, 2 point = 42x56, 2 1/2 = 52x66 3 point = 60x74, 3 1/2 = 63x81, 4 point = 72x90 As time went on, and especially after WWII, the sizes changed to what are referred to as 'modern sizes'. For example the 1 1/2 became 42x60, 3 1/2 became 60x90, 5 = 80x95 and 6 point = 90x100. The wide colored stripes can be used to help determine when and by who the blanket was produced, but have no relationship to their size or trading value. Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:14:57 -0600 From: "harddog" Subject: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers Capt. L, Ad Miller, others, About antique dealers, it is probably better, when you see something offered as antique, that you know isn't antique, to just smile to yourself and walk away with the satisfaction that you really know the item isn't an antique. Like the antique dealers who supposedly know all about Hudson Bay blankets. Trying to tell them they are wrong is a lost cause and will just probably tick them off. Think about it, if one of you were at a big major rendezvous and some total stranger came up to you and began telling you that your rifle was the wrong time period, your clothes were not right and can't be documented, your tipi is not only inappropriate, but also set up wrong, and your primitive glasses are actually Civil War period instead of RMFT period, would you be ticked off at this stranger??? You would think that this stranger is some self righteous bastard who should just move on and leave you alone, right?? Antique dealers get this treatment all the time from well meaning people. Along with this they get thousands of stories about how "my grandmother had the very same thing" or "you want a hundred dollars for that! I just bought one at a rummage sale for $5." In all cases it is better to just bite your tongue and leave well enough alone. For every dealer who doesn't know anything about an item and has it priced to high, there is two or three dealers that have something that they don't know about and have it priced way to low. Isn't that what we are all looking for? The original signed Hawken rifle in the hands of some dealer who doesn't know squat about muzzleloaders? I like this last kind of dealer and I am not about to explain that his original Hawken rifle priced at $300 is really worth $5,000 and that he should raise his price so I can buy it at $5,000. Would you??? If Capt. L's example of a Ft. Meigs belt axe was a real original Ft. Meigs and he could have bought it for $10 or $15 dollars would that be cause to tell the dealer he didn't know his merchandise? Just some advise about life and antique dealers and a little ranting from the Harddog, who has been a store front antique dealer for 35 years. YMH&OS, Harddog - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:06:32 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers > Just some advise about life and antique dealers and a little ranting from > the Harddog, who has been a store front antique dealer for 35 years. HardDog, There are two saying which cover everything: 1. Caveat Emptor 2. Ignorance is bliss. Dave - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:16:41 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers In a message dated 1/9/1 11:16:26 AM, harddog@mediaone.net writes: <> Years ago at a Henry's Fork rendezvous, that classic trader of traders - Jim Bond - made the statement: "you have to make up your mind - are you a collector or a trader ? I can't afford to be a collector so I am a trader." Trader - dealer. Some are just starting out and don't have the experience. Some have been at it a while and know what they are talking about. Some, however, are like lawyers and will do anything to turn a buck. (If there are any lawyers on the site and I have offended them . . . . good!) Richard James #79 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:15:31 -0500 (EST) From: SpiritoftheWood@webtv.net Subject: MtMan-List: Pipes Good Afternoon to all, Recently there was a good discussion on tobacco and smoking. One part of the conversation was about clay pipes, I was wondering if there was any documentation on pipes other than clay being used? My every day pipe is a store bought corn cob from which I have removed the plastic mouth piece made a new one from a bored out stick and removed the plastic cuff from the stem which I then wrapped with sinew now I have a nice plastic free pipe .I am particularly interested to find out if any one has any info on Corn Cobs being used in the Pre 1840 period as its such a good smoke I can't believe no one came up with it sooner. It seems like you don't come across ref. to corncobs or other types of pipes till the Civil war and after. I did once see a picture of an Iroqouis wooden pipe from about 1800 but caption stated that such were rare! If any one has any Ideas or Info. t'would be much appreciated! Y.M.O.S, M.A. Smith "In Wildness Is the Preservation of the World" Thoreau http://community.webtv.net/SpiritoftheWood/THEBUCKSKINNERSCABIN - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:15:59 EST From: BrayHaven@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Antique Dealers In a message dated 1/9/2001 2:08:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, ThisOldFox@aol.com writes: << HardDog, There are two saying which cover everything: 1. Caveat Emptor 2. Ignorance is bliss. Dave >> You left out a couple Dave, "life's too important to be taken seriously" & "Life's too short to dance with ugly squaws" Greg (the mule man) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:17:22 -0600 From: "Jason and Kathy" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hudson bay blanket Barney wrote: > The wide colored stripes can be used to help determine when and by who the > blanket was produced, Where could a person find more information about this? Jason Kendrick - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:07:05 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hudson bay blanket In a message dated 1/9/01 1:23:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, kendrick@mddc.com writes: << Where could a person find more information about this? >> The article I quoted from is titled "Point Blankets" by James A. Hanson, which was, I believe, published in The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly (date unknown), and the bibliography in the article shows: Adney, E.T. "The Blankets of the Frontier and Indian Trade with Especial Reference to the 'Point' Blankets of the Hudson's Bay Company." Unpublished 1927 manuscript in Museum Of The Fur Trade Library Avis, Walter S. "A Dictionary of Canadianisms on Historical Principals". Gage Educational Publishing Co. 1991 Back, Francis "The Trade Blanket in New France", Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, Vol 26, No 3 (Fall 1990) pp 2-8. Brain, Jeffrey P. "Tunica Treasure", Harvard University, 1979. Buecker, Thomas "A Indian Department Marked Issue Blanket", Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, Vol 32, No 2 (Summer 1996) pp 7-11 Dodman, A.E. "Hudson's Bay Point Blankets" The Beaver, December 1926 pp 22-25 Eckford, T.D. Manager, Staples Department, NBC, Vancouver BC to James A. Hanson, Curator, Museum of the Fur Trade, August 28, 1972 Engage, The. "Notes on the Physical Appearance of American Point Blankets for the Plains Indians in the 1860's", Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, Vol 16, No3 (Fall 1980) pp 5-9 Gaede, Frederick C. and E. Bryce Workman "Notes on Point Blankets in the Military Service". Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, Vol 15, No 2 (Summer 1979) pp 1-5 Hanson, Charles E. Jr. "Some Additional Notes on Trade Blankets", Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, Vol 24, No 4 (Winter 1988) pp 5-11 "The Point Blanket" Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly, Vol 12, No 1 (Spring 1976) pp 5-10 Mackay, Douglas "Blanket Coverage" The Beaver, June 1935 pp 45-52 Montgomery, Florence M. "Textiles In America 1650-1870" W.W. Norton & Co. 1984 Hope this is of some help, Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:19:08 -0600 From: "harddog" Subject: MtMan-List: Pipes >I was wondering if there was any documentation on pipes other >than clay being used? Micmac pipes were used around the Great Lakes. These pipes were carved from soapstone and had reed stems. Excavations at Michalamackinaw have found many examples. They were named after the Micmac Indians. Neumann's book on the Rev War, "Collectors Illustrated Encyclopedia of the American Revolution", page 244, shows a classic example of the bowl. A small ribbon was tied to the bottom of the bowl and to the stem so if the bowl fell off the stem while smoking the bowl didn't fall and get broken. Many times the ribbon was strung with beads or wampum shell. They are quite easy to make if you have some soapstone. It took me a couple of hours to make one. Harddog - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:59:11 -0600 From: "Ethan Sudman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: gun parts & supplies? Yes certain types of guns do have a tendency to burn you... for example, the guns that the British army used (muskets of some type, I think - please correct me if you're wrong) would burn you and/or the person next to you. That's why their hats only had the tassels on one side... they kept catching fire! Thanks, Ethan Sudman (ethansudman@home.com) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: MtMan-List: gun parts & supplies? > Howdy folks, > > I'm getting back into ML activities after a 15 year hiatus in the corporate > ratrace. My mule talked me into leaving those digs and getting back to the > things I enjoy like blacksmithing and gunsmithing. I always built & used > caplocks after trying a flinter once. I recall it burning my hat brim and > singeing my eyebrows off and if I had been shooting at meat, I would have > starved plumb to death waitin fer it to go off. Well I've since seen some > real nice flints and now want to build (or buy) one. I recall using a lot of > parts from Log Cabin back then. Who's a good purveyor (s) of gun parts > these days and what's a good lock that works? As I recall, Siler was always > thought purty highly of. Anyone have any thing along these lines to sell? > Any help from you "resident experts" appreciated. Have enjoyed this list. > > Greg Sefton > Best "Ass" In America BJ1 > > http://members.aol.com/BrayHaven/bj.htm > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:15:23 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ponyrider and LeRoy Haftn Like John has stated, this is French country just look at the names of towns in and around St. Louis, go there today - go to and around Ft. deChartre ILL along the Mississippi and listen to the locals, many still have the French in their voices, eat, sell and have the great cooking of the French. Go to the fort in the spring and watch the colors raised, 1st the French, then the British and last the Americans, in that order as it was occupied in history. The French built and ran Ft. deChartre, sold it to the English and the Americans took it from them, this is a great event to watch - the units march into the fort, the colors change and so on, the best part is when the Americans come in and raise our flag the chill goes up your spine and your eyes will fill, every time. I've seen this more than a dozen times and have the same reaction with every visit, one that everyone needs to experience at least once. Look in the grave yards, check the names Joe, the oldest grave stones are French and lots of them, much earlier than what John has stated, you'll see more English, Irish and common names than Spanish, few Spanish names compared to the others. If you talk to the historians, like Crosby Brown (State of Missouri Historical Society-retired), he'll tell you the frogs where thick in this country, they even ran Ft. deChartre for the English, just because of their numbers and worked at that fort after the Americans took over. The Spanish appeared only after the territory was released to Spain by the French when loosing the F&I War, because of this some of the French living in the area recorded or changed their names to a Spanish like name. Look at the fight that the French and Indian friends kicked the crap out of the Spanish in the south-eastern corner of Kansas/Missouri - the buffalo robe recording this fight can be seen in Santa Fe at the Governor's Palace. The Spanish where not as welcome as they like to think. Buck - ------------------------------------ Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ponyrider and LeRoy Haftn From: "John L. Allen" TrapRJoe and others, With all due respect, St. Louis was founded by Pierre Laclede, a French fur trader, in 1764. His adjutant was his 13-year old stepson, Rene Auguste Chouteau, founder of the great French fur trading dynasty. Earlier French settlements in the area were Ste. Genevieve (1750) and a series of settlements in the lower Ohio River valley dating to the 1730s. After the French and Indian War, France (the loser) ceded the territory of Louisiana to Spain. But Spanish never outnumbered Frenchmen in St. Louis and the city remained French in culture and language until the 19th century. Part of what is confusing is that most French inhabitants of St. Louis and Louisiana Territory swore allegiance to Spain and simply recorded their names in the Spanish version. Thus, the early explorer of the Missouri River, Jacques d'Eglise, became, in the historical records of St. Louis, Santiago de Iglesia (both names mean the same thing and translate into English as "James Church"). The Spanish were not first in St. Louis--either as founders or in numbers of inhabitants or in importance in the fur trade on the Missouri River. Manuel Lisa was a late-coming exception to the domination of the Missouri River trade by the French house of Chouteau and others. A good documentary history of the Missouri fur trade before the American possession of Louisiana Territory is A.P. Nasatir, BEFORE LEWIS AND CLARK, 2 vols., paperback edition available from Bison Books, University of Nebraska Press. John Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: TrapRJoe@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ponyrider and LeRoy Haftn Before the French in St. Llouis there were the Spanish. Same city different name. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:11:27 -0800 From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blanket Ponyrider asked, >could someone give us the offical material on the hundson bay blanket Go to http://www.hbc.com/ Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:30:43 -0800 From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hudson Bay blanket Possum Hunter wrote: > Go to http://www.hbc.com/ It's an interesting site. Would love to be able to roam through their archives for about a year or so =) The exact web address for the point blankets is http://www.hbc.com/hbc/e_hi/historic_hbc/point_blankets.htm Regards from Idaho Lee Newbill - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:21:19 -0600 From: Victoria Pate Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew Hello the list, Where can I purchase period correct sinew? Thanks, Victoria - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 21:48:40 -0800 From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew Victoria Pate wrote: > Where can I purchase period correct sinew? Victoria I've seen several sources, the one that comes to mind is Moscow Hide and Fur, on the web at: http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/7945.html Regards from Idaho Lee Newbill - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:52:36 -0500 From: "TrapRJohn" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots Hi Frank, Last year I bought some regular leather at Prime Tanning in Berwick, ME. At that time they told me they have waterproof leather for sale. I was in a hurry that day and didn't see it, and haven't gotten back there since. I don't have the address or phone number right off hand, but if you are interested, I'll be glad to get it for you. Let me know. John Enos TrapRJohn - YMHS - traprjon@mediaone.net - AMM - White Mountain Party "Don't Compromise Your Civil Rights, They are Yours! Stand Up for What's Right!" -- TrapRJohn, Free Trapper -- "No Free Man Shall Ever be Debarred the Use of Arms!" -- Thomas Jefferson -- "The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance!" -- General John Stark -- "Any People that would give up Liberty for a Little Temporary Safety, Deserves Neither Liberty nor Safety!" -- Benjamin Franklin -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Fusco" To: "AMM" Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: MtMan-List: shoes, boots > > At one time someone sold a leather that was [supposedly] completely > waterproof. Not just moisture resistant but truly "waterproof". > Enneybody know if it was for real and if it is still available? > Frank G. Fusco > Mountain Home, Arkansas > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 03:35:44 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew Victoria.... Try Three Rivers Archery....<www.3riversarchery.com) they have deer and ek sinew that we use to back bows.... Or, mebbe shoot a critter, and pull the sinew from the legs or back...road kills are good too. Ymos, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:47:47 -0800 From: "Stitchin' Scotsman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew Victoria: I think I have some lying around here that you can just have. Contact me off list. Long John - -----Original Message----- From: Victoria Pate To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew > > >Hello the list, > >Where can I purchase period correct sinew? > >Thanks, >Victoria > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:33:55 -0600 From: Virden High School Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew Crazy Crow sells it also.......donnie they are on the net SWcushing@aol.com wrote: > Victoria.... Try Three Rivers Archery....< HREF="http://www.3riversarchery.com/">www.3riversarchery.com) they have > deer and ek sinew that we use to back bows.... Or, mebbe shoot a critter, and > pull the sinew from the legs or back...road kills are good too. > > Ymos, > Magpie > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:45:34 -0600 From: Victoria Pate Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew > Victoria.... Or, mebbe shoot a > critter, and > pull the sinew from the legs or back... Ymos, > Magpie Hey Magpie, Of the 4 million white tail deer in Texas, I saw about 150 of them walking through my parent's property during the holidays. My parents live in a gated community in Central Texas where the deer are free to roam unmolested--no shooting allowed. I sorely wished I knew how to use a bow and arrow. Victoria - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:48:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sinew Victoria Pate wrote on 1/9/01 21:21: >Hello the list, > >Where can I purchase period >correct sinew? The K Company 1-800-977-2788 has it in stock Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:42:07 -0700 From: "Terrance Luff" Subject: MtMan-List: hudson bay blkt THANKS TO ALL i don,t care what the rumors are, yu all are good looking and smart on top of it all all kidding a side, thanks to all harddog..will said buck..you gave me fast amo capt.l. i guess im a fast bucker and injoy good fights. i am not like vectora , you jab me with spurs(verb or steel) i will buck and not if. just how hard. i have scares and moss on my back and few years humor and elder. grin, pony rider _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:50:51 -0700 From: "Terrance Luff" Subject: MtMan-List: hudson blkt. anqt dealer whats that story, last laugh??? little ole lady walks in (we know is dealer) bought tha blakt. and two others. didn t whine about price . you got to love that gray power. just thought you would like the rest of the story. ter _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:02:22 -0800 From: Lee Newbill Subject: MtMan-List: Some Interesting Pictures Just put up some interesting pictures on the web regarding blackpowder. Makes for some sobering viewing. They can be viewed at: http://www.mountaintoptradingco.com/safety_problems.htm Regards from Idaho Lee Newbill Clerk, HHML - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:55:55 EST From: BrayHaven@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Some Interesting Pictures In a message dated 1/11/2001 2:03:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, bluethistle@potlatch.com writes: << Just put up some interesting pictures on the web regarding blackpowder. Makes for some sobering viewing. >> Thanks Lee, Could be a Darwin award nominee in here! I'd bet on the smokeless powder theory. There just seems to be too much devastation to be a short seated ball but it's certainly possible. Was this gun made by one of Mussolini's relatives?? Greg (mule man) Sefton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:41:08 -0700 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots Richard James (SWzypher@aol.com) wrote: >Any way you cut it - army boots just aren't Fur Trade Period. Well, I have no idea what U.S. army boots are like; perhaps they have no resemblance to the boots my husband got when he was with the Air Cadets in Canada. These boots are smooth black leather, with leather soles, and lace to just above the ankles. They are identical, except for the seam lines, to 'shoes' sold by a couple of sutlers as being suitable for War of 1812, and to an illustration of 'shoes' from the period which I found in a book on historic footwear. In the Canadian fur trade, we know that moccasins were not the only footwear, since excavations of fur posts have turned up shoe buckles; "English shoes" are also mentioned in the journal of a Canadian fur trader, Philip Turnor I believe. If you'd like more details, I'd be happy to supply them; I'm vague right now just because this research is a couple of years old. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:01:27 -0700 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:02:06 -0600 I am leaving this morning for the far northern tundra of Indian Territory to throw down with my brothers of the Texas/Oklahoma Brigade on the soggy banks of Lake Humphries, near Duncan. We are expecting no fewer than a dozen or more brothers and guests with high hopes for upwards of twenty. The booshway has provided fifty pounds of buffalo meat for our roasting sticks. Sounds like what we call down south "a big time". Therefore, don't expect answers to any personal email until Sunday evening...if then. Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:57:45 -0800 From: Randal J Bublitz Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shoes, boots sounds like Brogans to me..... I bet most of us were assuming US Military... hardtack - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #708 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.