From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #726 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, January 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 726 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Straight Edge Razor -       Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series -       MtMan-List: Powder -       Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Straight Edge Razor -       Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -       Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna -       Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna -       Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -       MtMan-List: Re: short starters -       MtMan-List: Antique preserval -       Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series -       Re: MtMan-List: coon bone humor -       MtMan-List: French bodice &other don'ts -       MtMan-List: French Bodice's -       MtMan-List: French Bodices -       Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters -       Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -       Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters -       Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels -       Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts -       Re: MtMan-List: Antique preserval ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 05:58:58 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels hawknest4@juno.com wrote: > guys > did you ever look at the medical side of salt---such as to gargle salt > water for a sore throat---and i do rank salt as a pretty important thing > in a shooting bag and if going out for a extended period feel it is real > important---also if you get a bad cut salt will clean out the wound and > even help the blood to clot...... Good point Hawk, "Potts" being a hunter of meat chances are in cold weather he cut himself more than a few times in the length of time he ran his business. > believe you need to do some more thinking of the importance of a long > hunter or a mountain man carrying salt---I bought a horn that was suposed > to belong to d boon from the guy that owned the boon rifle many years ago > I thought it was a priming horn for a long time until i pulled the plug > and it wasnt black in it it was salt---so i guess all i can say is ???? > must have been important to them--- > > Nuff said------ > YMHOSANT > =+= > "HAWK" I have several small "priming" horns that I have gotten over the years, and like you found out twenty years later that at one time they had salt not powder in them. Later, Buck Conner Research page: http://pages.about.com/conner1/ _______HRD__ Personal page: http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ ____________________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:20:00 EST From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Straight Edge Razor - --part1_60.b249943.27a81980_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/29/01 9:18:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, poorboy@ieway.com writes: > Although I have not worked up the nerve to use my straight razor as of yet, > it was suggested by a barber to use balloons to practice on. When you can > scrape all of the shaving cream away from the surface of a balloon without > cutting it then you are ready to try on skin. > I used one many years ago and found that the least number of cuts come from the sharpest razor. Learning to hone and strop a razor to an extremely sharp cutting edge will make it easier to safely shave with. I'm no expert on sharpening and this was all discussed before so it is in the archives. But if you find an older barger working in your area they can teach you as it used to be part of the training to beome a barber. Y.H.O.S. C.T. Oakes - --part1_60.b249943.27a81980_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/29/01 9:18:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
poorboy@ieway.com writes:


Although I have not worked up the nerve to use my straight razor as of yet,
it was suggested by a barber to use balloons to practice on.  When you can
scrape all of the shaving cream away from the surface of a balloon without
cutting it then you are ready to try on skin.


I used one many years ago and found that the least number of cuts come from
the sharpest razor.  Learning to hone and strop a razor to an extremely sharp
cutting edge will make it easier to safely shave with.  I'm no expert on
sharpening and this was all discussed before so it is in the archives.  But
if you find an older barger working in your area they can teach you as it
used to be part of the training to beome a barber.

Y.H.O.S.

C.T. Oakes - --part1_60.b249943.27a81980_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:30:01 -0700 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series - --------------F60687343D88F107F709FE9C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis, Do you have a reprinted copy of the first volume? I do and love it. I don't have to worry about using up and tearing a nice old book, and the paper is good quality. The book seller I use who specializes in old west has my name down for the next volume. mike. my web apges Dennis Fisher wrote: > The Authur H. Clark publishing company is reprinting > the 10 volume set of books on the mountain men. I > think they will only reprint 750 sets, so if you what > a very good set of reference books, get in touch with > them up in Spokane. This is the same company that > printed the original series. > > Dennis Fisher > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --------------F60687343D88F107F709FE9C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis,
    Do you have a reprinted copy of the first volume? I
do and love it. I don't have to worry about using up and
tearing a nice old book, and the paper is good quality.
The book seller I use who specializes in old west has my
name down for the next volume.
                                mike.

 my web apges

Dennis Fisher wrote:

The Authur H. Clark publishing company is reprinting
the 10 volume set of books on the mountain men.  I
think they will only reprint 750 sets, so if you what
a very good set of reference books, get in touch with
them up in Spokane.  This is the same company that
printed the original series.

Dennis Fisher

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- --------------F60687343D88F107F709FE9C-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:05:01 -0600 From: "Best, Dianne" Subject: MtMan-List: Powder I can remember when I was a little girl in southern Ontario (40+ years back) seeing a large number of small wooden barrels stacked in an old (1830's) warehouse that had been abandoned. Each keg was about 8 to 10" in diameter and about 16 or 18" high. They were all made in the same technique as the old wooden barrels except the hoops were brass or copper instead of iron. They had one "bung" in the top with a real honest-to-god cork stopper. These barrels were empty when I saw them but I was told they were the way "gunpowder" (black powder I presume) was shipped from the factory. You fellows would know better what weight of powder that would have been. I would guess 25 or 50 Lbs per keg. I can only guess at the vintage of the kegs but I would say 1900. They were definitely well before WW1. Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:24:36 EST From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts - --part1_f5.6f88eb8.27a828a4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I may be wrong in all this but to my understanding these items have not > Capt Lahti' you forgot one thing on your list. Invariably the person that is most vocal about what is wrong with someones camp is smoking a cigarette. My wife has spent 20 years teaching history at a major museum and is a history teacher at the local High School. We too try (like all of you to make our personna as correct as possible) but we choose to lead by example not by preaching. This hobby/life style/sport/avocation is in need of participants if we are going to keep the excitement of American History alive into the next several generations. And we have found that if you get an individual hooked with the joy we get from our experiances we can steer them with our example. I have had many new participants come up and ask us how we got all the period correct items in our camp and what should they do and what should they look at for the growth of their experiance. My wife never starts out with "Get rid of the speckle ware it was not even made yet." Instead we show them the items we use to cook and even point out where we violate the rules (we have a wonderful sheet steel fry pan, original, but later then our period) to make life more livable. I keep plans for the rope bed that we use to give people that want to use something other than an air mattress with its noisy pump. But I don't believe in marching over to tell someone to change. When you do that you will either find someone that is perfectly content with what they do and you will not shame them for having a ketshup bottle out in full view, or you will drive someone away from the fun by proving we are all obnoxious, load mouth, bores. I remember one rev war reinactor who looked at my cotton shirt and proceeded to tell me how expensive cotton was in the 1700's and that a man of my station would have been commonly dressed in linen or hemp or raw silk or linsey woolsey. I let he go on and on and on and then smiled and said yes you are right, but my wife did not want me going out to die for my country in my everyday work shirt. A lot of the time people just don't know where to find the info to help them document the items they use for their personna. The great thing about this group is that at its best we can all learn new items to help us be better examples for those that come after. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes - --part1_f5.6f88eb8.27a828a4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I may be wrong in all this but to my understanding these items have not
been documented.


Capt Lahti' you forgot one thing on your list. Invariably the person that is
most vocal about what is wrong with someones camp is smoking a cigarette.  My
wife has spent 20 years teaching history at a major museum and is a history
teacher at the local High School.  We too try (like all of you to make our
personna as correct as possible) but we choose to lead by example not by
preaching.  This hobby/life style/sport/avocation is in need of participants
if we are going to keep the excitement of American History alive into the
next several generations.  And we have found that if you get an individual
hooked with the joy we get from our experiances we can steer them with our
example.  I have had many new participants come up and ask us how we got all
the period correct items in our camp and what should they do and what should
they look at for the growth of their experiance.  My wife never starts out
with "Get rid of the speckle ware it was not even made yet."  Instead we show
them the items we use to cook and even point out where we violate the rules
(we have a wonderful sheet steel fry pan, original, but later then our
period) to make life more livable.  I keep plans for the rope bed that we use
to give people that want to use something other than an air mattress with its
noisy pump.  But I don't believe in marching over to tell someone to change.  
When you do that you will either find someone that is perfectly content with
what they do and you will not shame them for having a ketshup bottle out in
full view, or you will drive someone away from the fun by proving we are all
obnoxious, load mouth, bores.  I remember one rev war reinactor who looked at
my cotton shirt and proceeded to tell me how expensive cotton was in the
1700's and that a man of my station would have been commonly dressed in linen
or hemp or raw silk or linsey woolsey.  I let he go on and on and on and then
smiled and said yes you are right, but my wife did not want me going out to
die for my country in my everyday work shirt.  

A lot of the time people just don't know where to find the info to help them
document the items they use for their personna.  The great thing about this
group is that at its best we can all learn new items to help us be better
examples for those that come after.

Y.M.O.S.

C.T. Oakes - --part1_f5.6f88eb8.27a828a4_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:29:12 EST From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Straight Edge Razor - --part1_21.6c26920.27a829b8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/30/01 8:21:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, CTOAKES@aol.com writes: > Opps make that BARBER Y.M.O.S. (and poor speller) C.T.Oakes - --part1_21.6c26920.27a829b8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/30/01 8:21:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, CTOAKES@aol.com
writes:


if you find an older barger working


Opps make that BARBER

Y.M.O.S. (and poor speller)

C.T.Oakes - --part1_21.6c26920.27a829b8_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:27:12 -0700 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts "Roger Lahti" wrote: >>If the examples of women's clothing articles are not documented, what is? ... The examples you gave via website at JasTownsen seem to be in keeping with what Beth and others show appropriate for the Coastal States and previously Original Colonies. If that is not the case then what did the ladies of various classes wear?<< My Dear Captain Lahti, I'm so glad you asked! First, the only time I've seen Beth Gilgun support the UFB, was in her article in _Book of Buckskinning 1_, and I think we've ALL learned a lot since 1981. Some people look at the picture at the top right of p.45 in Beth's book _Tidings of the 18th Century_ and see a French bodice. But read Beth's caption! "The jumps are _not_ a short, waist-length garment. They have skirts that come over the hips. It is generally accepted that these are an undergarment, because they are not seen on women in paintings and engravings." Beth is not alone in this; Sharon Ann Burston, author of _Fitting & Proper : 18th Century Clothing from the Collection of the Chester County Historical Society_ is a member of the 18th Century Woman list, and she has repeatedly stated that she hasn't seen any documentation for English-speaking ladies wearing the UFB. If you want to know how to dress like an Eastern lady, *read* Tidings (instead of just looking at the pictures ;-) . Instead of a bodice, wear a shortgown; it's just as easy to sew, and much more accurate. (Townsend sells them, too.) If you're interested in dressing like a frontier lady, check out Beth's article "A Wardrobe for the Frontier Woman 1780-1840" in _Book of Buckskinning 7_. And if you wish to dress like the Metis (half-breed) wife, mother, or daughter of a fur trader, the best I can suggest is to wear a shirt (NOT a shift), short gown, petticoat (i.e. skirt), leggins, & moccasins. Your very humble & most obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:34:09 -0600 From: "Paul W. Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna Lanney's answer was on point, but I want to tell a story on myself that relates to Raccoon penis bones. When my son was 4 and I was trapping a 800 acre ranch North of Austin on a regular basis, I often took him with me to check the traps. When I skinned out the first male Raccoon I trapped when he was along I gave him the penis bone. Thereafter he bugged me for more (I guess they gained him points at the kindergarten show and tell). On fine Saturday morning I had 9 Raccoons, the best single day haul I ever had. He sat watching me as I merrily skinned away. I was next to a huge maze of briars and scratchy vines. As I finish with each Raccoon, I tossed the skinned-out carcass deep into the thicket. After I finished and was cleaning up, my son asked me why I had not given him any of the penis bones. I spent the next 30 minutes crawling and fighting through the briars and brambles searching out each and every carcass. Not a single one was a male Raccoon. As they say in Southern Ohio, that "ain't" much of a story, but I recall those hours with my son fondly, and still get a smile on my face as I see my much younger self fighting through the brush in that vain search for penis bones. Regards to the list, Pablo - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna > In a message dated 1/29/01 7:28:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dullhawk@texomaonline.com writes: > > << I skin 'em and remove the penis bone >> > > I will go ahead and show my ignorance ("Ignorance can be educated; stupididty > is forever"). What is the reason for removing the penis bone? Does it have a > particular application? (And all of you amateur comedians, JUST LET THAT ONE > GO!!!) The coon did get skinned and fleshed and is awaiting further > processing in the freezer. The carcass was thrown in a gully in the field > beside my home where the rest of nature can recycle it. I am leary of doing > anything with the skull because of any present rabies (which resides in the > brain and salivary glands). Thanks for the info. > > -C.Kent > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:03:55 -0600 From: "Richard J. Holliday, DVM" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: skinning raccoons and my moral dilemna - --=====================_2509716==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >It would be much appreciated if someone would explain how penis bones were >prepared and if they were ever used in other ways such as awl handles. Regards, Doc ******************************* Richard J. 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It would be much appreciated if someone would explain how penis bones were prepared and if they were ever used in other ways such as awl handles.

Regards,
Doc

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Holistic Dairy Veterinarian
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319 568 3624
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 - --=====================_2509716==_.ALT-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:52:00 -0700 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts P.S. Of course, I will completely understand if you don't want to dress like a woman at all. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:29:35 -0600 From: "Henry B. Crawford" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: short starters On short starters. When I first started shooting muzzzleloaders many years ago it seemed peculiar that some shooters would use short starters. As I did more reading and shooting I came to the conclusion that a short starter was an unnecessary and unhistorical piece of equipment. I never came across a single pre 1860 reference for short starters (I never looked into post 1860 sources). I don't use one, although I have two of them, one I made, the other I traded for early on. I think they are like adjustable ramp sights, sabots, and wonder wads. Just something to make shooting a bit easier and safer for some shooters, but not necessarily historically correct. I use short starters to tamp down the powder in .45-70 cartridge cases when I handload. When I'm shooting muzzleloaders I load by placing the ball on the patch and grasping the ramrod near its base, carefully pushing the ball in. Then I tamp the ball further and finally ram it the rest of the way. I am convinced, through much field work and common sense thought, that this was the way it was done. By not using a short starter I have really cut my firing time, and I have fewer gismos to fumble with. In a match I can load and fire relatively quickly. my two cents. HBC ********************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University Box 43191 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 henry.b.crawford@ttu.edu 806/742-2442 FAX 742-1136 Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum *** Living History . . . Because It's There *** - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:39:15 -0600 From: "Ethan Sudman" Subject: MtMan-List: Antique preserval This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C08AB9.A7933840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone. Does anyone know where I can get information on the preserval of = antiques? Also of interest would be how they value, date, etc. antiques. Thanks, Ethan Sudman (ethansudman@home.com) - ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C08AB9.A7933840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Thanks,
Ethan Sudman (ethansudman@home.com) - ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C08AB9.A7933840-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:45:42 -0600 From: "Ethan Sudman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series Hello. Why only 750 sets? Also, how do I contact them? Do they have a web site? How much does the series cost? Who is/are the author(s) of the series? Thanks, Ethan Sudman (ethansudman@home.com) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Fisher To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Man book series > The Authur H. Clark publishing company is reprinting > the 10 volume set of books on the mountain men. I > think they will only reprint 750 sets, so if you what > a very good set of reference books, get in touch with > them up in Spokane. This is the same company that > printed the original series. > > Dennis Fisher > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:26:32 -0500 From: "John Hunt" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: coon bone humor Many years ago I wore a necklace of all coon bones in graduated sizes. At camp two couples stoped at my camp to talk and ask questions. One woman noticed my coonbone necklace and ask what the bones were. I replied their coon bones. The other man "not with her" says the indians believed that if you kiss them they will bring you good luck. Well, she kissed them very passionately. She ask what part are they from? I said just coonbones. Are they rib bones? No say I. Well just exactly what part are they? Welllll, just the male coon has one of these. The woman about puked, her husband, I thought was gonna hit me, the other man and woman laughed their ass`es off. As they all walked away they were argueing very hotly and the one couple were still laughing. This is true. It still brings many laugh`s when told in camp by others or myself. Dumb flatlanders!!!!! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:48:56 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: MtMan-List: French bodice &other don'ts - ----- Original Message ----- From: CTOAKES@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 6:24 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts I may be wrong in all this but to my understanding these items have not been documented. Capt Lahti' you forgot one thing on your list. Invariably the person that is most vocal about what is wrong with someones camp is smoking a cigarette. C.T., How could I have forgotten. And your so right about trying to go up to someone and telling them without having been asked what they may or may not be doing right. Just doesn't work. Setting a good example in camp is probably the only effective way in camp and discussing the subject here in a non-judgemental way is probably the best way here. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:50:45 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: MtMan-List: French Bodice's > My Dear Captain Lahti, > > I'm so glad you asked! My Dear Mistress Gottfred, It was entirely my pleasure. How could I have refused such an invitation from such an admired and Gracious Lady.:) > If you want to know how to dress like an Eastern lady, *read* Tidings > (instead of just looking at the pictures ;-) . Instead of a bodice, wear a > shortgown; it's just as easy to sew, and much more accurate. (Townsend > sells them, too.) If you're interested in dressing like a frontier lady, > check out Beth's article "A Wardrobe for the Frontier Woman 1780-1840" in > _Book of Buckskinning 7_. And if you wish to dress like the Metis > (half-breed) wife, mother, or daughter of a fur trader, the best I can > suggest is to wear a shirt (NOT a shift), short gown, petticoat (i.e. > skirt), leggins, & moccasins. Now we're getting some where! Thank you so much for this sharing. I particularly like what you have included about the Metis. I suspect that this style of dress was seen quit regularly where women other than Tribal female members were often present (which I suspect was more often than we realize considering the number of non-anglo/American people engaged in supporting roles in the fur trade). I remain indebted to you as do we all and I am of course......... YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:54:49 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: MtMan-List: French Bodices P.S. There are some things that go without saying. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Gottfred" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:52 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts > P.S. Of course, I will completely understand if you don't want to dress > like a woman at all. > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:49:19 -0600 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters http://www.kcnet.com/~kramers/images/boxlock.jpg HMMMM????? John... At 10:11 PM 1/29/01 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 1/29/1 04:27:02 PM, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes: > >< > short starters are in fact ramrods for pistols? > > >> > > > > No. They are not. > > RJ > >Guess that pretty much settles that! > >Capt. Lahti' > >> > >WHAT-T-T??!! You are going to let it go at THAT?? > >(You must be getting tired of this - too.) > >RJames - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so. -- Hitler, April 11 1942, revealing the real agenda of "gun control" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:38:37 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts Angela, Very interesting question, but good Lord what a can of worms, to get into. Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:49:08 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Short Starters In a message dated 1/29/1 09:25:29 PM, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes: < Capt. Lahti' >> YOU BEING AS BUSY AS YOU ARE - HOW DO YOU FIND TIME FOR THIS TIME-WASTER DIALOGUE? R. James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:59:02 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: salt barrels I remember reading it - now will someone else come along who remembers the reference: The scenario was one trapper telling the other (this is not a joke) about a common acquaintance that had turned Indian - married into the tribe and gone to live with them by their ways. The statement was mad that it wasn't such a bad life - the worst part of it was the first six months during which you had to get used to living without salt and without sugar. After that, things were O.K. . Sounds like they all maintained what supply they could for their own personal "needs". R. James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:09:33 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French bodice & other don'ts In a message dated 1/30/1 07:25:48 AM, CTOAKES@aol.com writes: <<. . . . one thing on your list. Invariably the person that is most vocal about what is wrong with someones camp is smoking a cigarette. >> Mr. Oaks. You got to me with that one. My reaction was a spontanious, very audible laugh. You are a very perceptive fellow and I'm guessing you've been to camp enough to recognize this is the pattern. Good Shot! R.James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:33:13 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Antique preserval In a message dated 1/30/1 11:38:19 AM, EthanSudman@home.com writes: <> Ethan - Aminta Neal has written two paper-bound books related to the subject: Exhibits for the Small Museum and Help! for the Small Museum. Help is from Pruitt Publishing Co. In Boulder Colorado and there is a link with the noted Denver Art Museum. You might start there. I got these years ago when I was a member of the Colorado/Wyoming Museum Assn.. There are also some notes in the back of the Collector's Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Rev War (or something like that). If this isn't what you want, write me again. Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #726 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.