From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #735 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, February 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 735 In this issue: -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: skirts with slits -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Research -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: skirts with slits -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Years Supply -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls) -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls) -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls) -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls) -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls) -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Fooferaw -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:38:59 EST From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: skirts with slits In a message dated 2/2/01 9:10:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes: << The slits of the sides drive me crazy as well as the short short > dresses. >> Linda, I believe this may not be totally inaccurate. depending on which tribe and what period the person (presumable and hopefully a lady) is trying to depict. Women of the tribes in the (now) northeast parts of the US and on up into Canada - tribes of the "longhouse" would wear leggings and skirts to the calf...with a slit to the knee or mid thigh. They had access to thier bare thigh upon which they could work fiber or animal hide whangs into cord, etc. Pretty ingenious. - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:09:15 EST From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research - --part1_7e.106c7e00.27ae05bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well - I'd start in the Williamsburg-Jamestown area. The archaeologists are very active so something new turns up each season. And, the museum guides etc. don't mind talking with you. - --part1_7e.106c7e00.27ae05bb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well - I'd start in the Williamsburg-Jamestown area. The archaeologists are
very active so something new turns up each season. And, the museum guides
etc. don't mind talking with you. - --part1_7e.106c7e00.27ae05bb_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:20:55 -0800 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: skirts with slits Unforturatly 95% of the women who do Native American are trying to portray Western Indian Women, this does not include the Colonial Women, and not Eastern. And even what you describe is on the rare side. Some women look like they just got out of the Daytona Beach Biker Week. Some dog soldiers are looking more at the "skin" that what is covering the surface. Linda HikingOnThru@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/2/01 9:10:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rtlahti@email.msn.com writes: > > << The slits of the sides drive me crazy as well as the short short > > dresses. >> > > Linda, > > I believe this may not be totally inaccurate. depending on which tribe and > what period the person (presumable and hopefully a lady) is trying to depict. > Women of the tribes in the (now) northeast parts of the US and on up into > Canada - tribes of the "longhouse" would wear leggings and skirts to the > calf...with a slit to the knee or mid thigh. They had access to thier bare > thigh upon which they could work fiber or animal hide whangs into cord, etc. > Pretty ingenious. > -C.Kent > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:32:54 -0600 From: "Ethan Sudman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Years Supply This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C08E18.1AE8D640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, homesickness can happen to anyone. For example, in the American = Civil War it was extremely prevalent, to the extent that it contributed = to deaths from disease (weird but true). Sincerely, Ethan Sudman (ethansudman@home.com) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wynn & Gretchen Ormond=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:01 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Years Supply Couple more things that have not been mantioned for the list. Paper, pen and ink or pencils. =20 I have been reading some of Jed's letters home this week end and I am = surprised at how home sick he was.=20 Picket pins for the stock out on the plains My list should have a better meantion of items for the squaw also like = warm clothing etc. After some thought I wonder if you were serious about trading if you = really needed much beads and fuffaraw. I think we underestimate the = craftiness of Indian traders. If you wanted a muckrat pelt or a pair = of mocs maybe those little items would have worked but let's face it = those Natives got the fussils that they carried by trading horses, = beaver, bison, and women. If you wanted the big trade items you had = better have guns, ammo, alochol, horses, kettles....well now that is = getting to far into another subject. =20 Anyway, It is sure fun to now look at some of the additions others = have made and say "Oh hell I can't believe I forgot a shovel, etc."=20 WY - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C08E18.1AE8D640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, homesickness can happen to anyone. = For=20 example, in the American Civil War it was extremely prevalent, to the = extent=20 that it contributed to deaths from disease (weird but = true).

Sincerely,
Ethan Sudman (ethansudman@home.com)

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wynn &=20 Gretchen Ormond

To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Saturday, February 03, = 2001 1:01=20 AM

Subject: MtMan-List: Years = Supply

Couple more things that have not been = mantioned=20 for the list.

Paper, pen and ink or pencils. =20

I have been reading some of Jed's = letters home=20 this week end and I am surprised at how home sick he = was.

Picket pins for the stock out on the=20 plains

My list should have a better meantion = of items=20 for the squaw also like warm clothing etc.

After some thought I wonder if you = were serious=20 about trading if you really needed much beads and fuffaraw. I = think we=20 underestimate the craftiness of Indian traders. If = you wanted=20 a muckrat pelt or a pair of mocs maybe those little items would have = worked=20 but let's face it those Natives got the fussils that = they carried by=20 trading horses, beaver, bison, and women. If you wanted the = big=20 trade items you had better have guns, ammo, alochol, horses,=20 kettles....well now that is getting to far into another=20 subject.

Anyway, It is sure fun to now look at = some of the=20 additions others have made and say "Oh hell I can't believe I forgot a = shovel,=20 etc."

- ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C08E18.1AE8D640-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:41:25 -0700 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls) For those folks who don't believe me about fringes, kindly dig out your copy of _The Mountain Man's Sketch Book, volume 1_, by James Austin Hanson & Kathryn J. Wilson. Turn to page 24 & note the caption: "The old [Blanket Capote] specimens are tailor cut rather than 'Indian' cut. Sleeves are two-piece and shaped rather than square-cut tubes...None of the pre-1840 pictures show any fringing." And none of the capotes in the two Mounatin Man's Sketch Books show any fringing either. The article in Book of Buckskinning 2 on how to make a capote cites absolutely no references; it just tells how to make one. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:22:36 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls) Well folks, there it is. Case closed. Thanks Angela ! Pendleton For those folks who don't believe me about fringes, kindly dig out your copy of _The Mountain Man's Sketch Book, volume 1_, by James Austin Hanson & Kathryn J. Wilson. Turn to page 24 & note the caption: "The old [Blanket Capote] specimens are tailor cut rather than 'Indian' cut. Sleeves are two-piece and shaped rather than square-cut tubes...None of the pre-1840 pictures show any fringing." And none of the capotes in the two Mounatin Man's Sketch Books show any fringing either. The article in Book of Buckskinning 2 on how to make a capote cites absolutely no references; it just tells how to make one. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 19:26:39 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? Gentelmen, Terpantine and boiled Linseed Oil mixed 50/50 YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: hawknest4@juno.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? >Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 12:31 PM > >have tried the olive oil---doesnt seem to want to penitrate as well as >the thinner coil oil or decil would take a bit of the other oil and dont >have any at hand or i would try it---as long as you fill the pores of the >wood complete it makes a more homogenious rod thus the flexibility and >strength and toughness in my estimation either would work in that contex >but would have to test it over time to prove its reliability in my >estimation---- > >just my humbel opiunion of course > >Hawk > >On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:53:33 -0500 (EST) JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon >Marinetti) writes: >> Hey Hawk, >> This may be a wild, bizarre idea, but how about soaking one ramrod >> in a >> small pan of 100% extra virgin olive oil, and one ramrod in a small >> pan >> of jojoba oil to see if the flexibility (or other mechanical >> properties) >> of the hickory rod is greater than with soaking in diesel fuel for >> one >> month. also more period correct? >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> from Michigan >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: >> http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 19:33:42 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls) Larry, The case is never closed, just on hold for now. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: "larry pendleton" >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls) >Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 9:22 PM > >Well folks, there it is. Case closed. >Thanks Angela ! > >Pendleton > >For those folks who don't believe me about fringes, kindly dig out your >copy of _The Mountain Man's Sketch Book, volume 1_, by James Austin Hanson >& Kathryn J. Wilson. Turn to page 24 & note the caption: > >"The old [Blanket Capote] specimens are tailor cut rather than 'Indian' >cut. Sleeves are two-piece and shaped rather than square-cut tubes...None >of the pre-1840 pictures show any fringing." And none of the capotes in the >two Mounatin Man's Sketch Books show any fringing either. > >The article in Book of Buckskinning 2 on how to make a capote cites >absolutely no references; it just tells how to make one. > >Your humble & obedient servant, >Angela Gottfred > > > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:40:58 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls) Larry, The case is never closed, just on hold for now. YMOS Ole # 718 Ole, Yeah, I know. Like Buck said, some where there may be a capote with fringe, but for now, we gotta go with what we've got. Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 19:46:21 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls) Larry, Dito. YMOS Ole #718 - ---------- >From: "larry pendleton" >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls) >Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 9:40 PM > >Larry, >The case is never closed, just on hold for now. >YMOS >Ole # 718 > >Ole, >Yeah, I know. Like Buck said, some where there may be a capote with fringe, >but for now, we gotta go with what we've got. >Pendleton > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:08:33 EST From: BrayHaven@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? In a message dated 2/3/2001 11:47:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com writes: << BrayHaven@aol.com wrote: > > What, no diesel fuel... How did they get to Rendezvous? Gasoline engines were used in the RVs made at the time :-) Possum >> Could be, but we'll need a 40 ton diesel semi to haul all that stuff you guys are ading to the years list :o). Greg - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:10:30 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! Allen, I have pondered youre question for a few days, I have looked at the lists you have received. Senario= 4 men (without squaws) leaving fort Hall in 1830 around August 20. The following is my list. 2 pair footwear ea 3 t0 4 horses or mules per man 1 riding saddle 3 pack saddles 6 to 8 traps 1- long arm ea 1 or 2 pistols ea 50 lbs powder for 4 men 15 lbs bar lead (4 men) bullet molds as needed per person 1- bullet laddle 500" x1/2" rope 5 lbs soap 1 dozen gun flints 1 skining knife 1 scalping knife 4 wool blankets per person 4 yards patch material 4 lbs tobaco Chewing tobaco for horse wounds 1- fire steel per person 2 sets tin pots/copper/cauldron 2-frying pans 1-felling axe 1-hand axe 500'0" linnen thread 12 sewing needles 1 doz awls 1-cup each tin or copper 3-shirts each 2-pair trousers or knee breaches ea 4lbs coffee 4lbs suggar 10lbs salt 1/2 lb pepper 10 lbs floure 1 journal per man for record keeping and notes 6- lead pencils 20 hanks of beeds for trade vermilion for trade 4 12'x12' pcs of canvas 2-wedge tents 1-hat ea 1-Bible 1-compass toiletries as group wanted 1-capote ea, or some kind of coat 1-west ea (optional) socks (optional) fishing gear (optional) reading glasses as nessecarry smoking pipe's 1 ea or moore There are probably things I have forgoten, all the horses were there to hall plews out after the season was over. YMOS Ole #718 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:13:23 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? Greg, Allens original outline was for 3 to 4 months. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: BrayHaven@aol.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? >Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 8:08 PM > >In a message dated 2/3/2001 11:47:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, >icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com writes: > ><< BrayHaven@aol.com wrote: > > > > What, no diesel fuel... How did they get to Rendezvous? > > Gasoline engines were used in the RVs made at the time :-) > > Possum > >> > >Could be, but we'll need a 40 ton diesel semi to haul all that stuff you >guys are ading to the years list :o). > >Greg > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:27:31 -0800 From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? Greg wrote: > > Could be, but we'll need a 40 ton diesel semi to haul all that stuff you guys are ading to the years list :o). Oh I travel light! Just one 8Ft bed Dodge pickup truck full for me :-) Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:30:48 -0800 From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NADA Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility? Ole B. Jensen wrote: > Greg, > Allens original outline was for 3 to 4 months OH! I thought that all of that stuff was for 3 to 4 DAYS!!!!!!! Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:42:19 -0700 From: "Buck Conner" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! "Ole B. Jensen" wrote: > Allen, > I have pondered youre question for a few days, I have looked at the lists > you have received. > Senario= 4 men (without squaws) leaving fort Hall in 1830 around August 20. > The following is my list. > 2 pair footwear ea > 3 t0 4 horses or mules per man > 1 riding saddle > 3 pack saddles > 6 to 8 traps > 1- long arm ea > 1 or 2 pistols ea > 50 lbs powder for 4 men > 15 lbs bar lead (4 men) > bullet molds as needed per person > 1- bullet laddle > 500" x1/2" rope > 5 lbs soap > 1 dozen gun flints > 1 skining knife > 1 scalping knife > 4 wool blankets per person > 4 yards patch material > 4 lbs tobaco > Chewing tobaco for horse wounds > 1- fire steel per person > 2 sets tin pots/copper/cauldron > 2-frying pans > 1-felling axe > 1-hand axe > 500'0" linnen thread > 12 sewing needles > 1 doz awls > 1-cup each tin or copper > 3-shirts each > 2-pair trousers or knee breaches ea > 4lbs coffee > 4lbs suggar > 10lbs salt > 1/2 lb pepper > 10 lbs floure > 1 journal per man for record keeping and notes > 6- lead pencils > 20 hanks of beeds for trade > vermilion for trade > 4 12'x12' pcs of canvas > 2-wedge tents > 1-hat ea > 1-Bible > 1-compass > toiletries as group wanted > 1-capote ea, or some kind of coat > 1-west ea (optional) > socks (optional) > fishing gear (optional) > reading glasses as nessecarry > smoking pipe's 1 ea or moore > > There are probably things I have forgoten, all the horses were there to hall > plews out after the season was over. > YMOS > Ole #718 > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Hey Ole, Did you ever look at what the L&C group carried according to Jefferson's letter to Lewis 1803. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Inside the Corps has three sections: Circa 1803, To Equip an Expedition and the Corps. To Equip an Expedition provides a partial list of the supplies Lewis and Clark brought on the expedition. Once he was named by President Thomas Jefferson to head the Corps of Discovery, Meriwether Lewis began preparations for the long trip ahead. Much of that preparation involved education; in the months prior to his departure, Lewis would learn astronomy, botany, navigation, medicine and biology, among other scientific disciplines. In addition, Lewis spent his time accumulating all the supplies that the expedition was going to need. He wrote list after list of provisions, which included guns, ammunition, medical supplies and scientific instruments. While still on the East Coast, Lewis accumulated almost two tons of goods using the $2,500 Congress had allocated for the expedition. The following list is only a sampling of the supplies taken west by the Corps of Discovery, but it should give a sense of what an undertaking the expedition was. Mathematical Instruments: surveyor's compass hand compass quadrants telescope thermometers 2 sextants set of plotting instruments chronometer (needed to calculate longitude) Camp Supplies: 150 yards of cloth to be oiled and sewn into tents and sheets pliers chisels 30 steels for striking to make fire handsaws hatchets whetstones iron corn mill two dozen tablespoons mosquito curtains 10 1/2 pounds of fishing hooks and fishing lines 12 pounds of soap 193 pounds of "portable soup" (a thick paste concocted by boiling down beef, eggs and vegetables) three bushels of salt writing paper, ink and crayons Presents for Indians: 12 dozen pocket mirrors 4,600 sewing needles 144 small scissors 10 pounds of sewing thread silk ribbons ivory combs handkerchiefs yards of bright-colored cloth 130 rolls of tobacco tomahawks that doubled as pipes 288 knives 8 brass kettles vermilion face paint 33 pounds of tiny beads of assorted colors Clothing: 45 flannel shirts coats frocks shoes woolen pants blankets knapsacks stockings Arms and Ammunition: 15 prototype Model 1803 muzzle-loading .54 caliber rifles knives 500 rifle flints 420 pounds of sheet lead for bullets 176 pounds of gunpowder packed in 52 lead canisters 1 long-barreled rifle that fired its bullet with compressed air, rather than by flint, spark and powder Medicine and Medical Supplies: 50 dozen Dr. Rush's patented "Rush's pills" lancets forceps syringes tourniquets 1,300 doses of physic 1,100 hundred doses of emetic 3,500 doses of diaphoretic (sweat inducer) other drugs for blistering, salivation and increased kidney output Traveling Library: Barton's Elements of Botany Antoine Simon Le Page du Pratz's History of Louisiana Richard Kirwan's Elements of Mineralogy A Practical Introduction to Spherics and Nautical Astronomy The Nautical Almanac and Astronomical Ephemeris a four-volume dictionary a two-volume edition of Linnaeus (the founder of the Latin classification of plants) tables for finding longitude and latitude map of the Great Bend of the Missouri River Circa 1803 puts the expedition into a historical and political context, investigating popular misconceptions of the West, as well as Jefferson's motivations for exploring it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wonder how much of this got lost or stolen ? A trapper a few years later would have cached 2/3 of it outside St. Louis. Buck. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:55:48 -0800 From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! Why on earth did they carry off of that junk with them? Seems to me it would be awfully hard to move that much stuff through undeveloped land. I am just too LAZY to tote that much stuff :-) When I go woods loafing, all I take is my possibles bag, shootin' bag, powder horn, shootin' iron, a knife, and a blanket. Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:55:32 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! >Senario= 4 men >3 t0 4 horses or mules per man >6 to 8 traps > all the horses were there to hall plews out after the season was over. Ole, 2 traps per man is a pretty heavy trap line for a man to run everyday. Do you suppose they would be able to handle it, and still fill all them horses? Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:14:22 -0700 From: Allen Hall Subject: MtMan-List: Fooferaw WY, Dean did an interesting paper a while back. Seems that everytime ol' Osborne Russel was about to go out he bought quite a few blue beads. Hmmm........... Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:18:40 -0700 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have! Ole, Excellent list, thankyou. Allen At 08:10 PM 02/03/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Allen, >I have pondered youre question for a few days, I have looked at the lists >you have received. >Senario= 4 men (without squaws) leaving fort Hall in 1830 around August 20. >The following is my list. >2 pair footwear ea >3 t0 4 horses or mules per man >1 riding saddle >3 pack saddles >6 to 8 traps >1- long arm ea >1 or 2 pistols ea >50 lbs powder for 4 men >15 lbs bar lead (4 men) >bullet molds as needed per person >1- bullet laddle >500" x1/2" rope >5 lbs soap >1 dozen gun flints >1 skining knife >1 scalping knife >4 wool blankets per person >4 yards patch material >4 lbs tobaco >Chewing tobaco for horse wounds >1- fire steel per person >2 sets tin pots/copper/cauldron >2-frying pans >1-felling axe >1-hand axe >500'0" linnen thread >12 sewing needles >1 doz awls >1-cup each tin or copper >3-shirts each >2-pair trousers or knee breaches ea >4lbs coffee >4lbs suggar >10lbs salt >1/2 lb pepper >10 lbs floure >1 journal per man for record keeping and notes >6- lead pencils >20 hanks of beeds for trade >vermilion for trade >4 12'x12' pcs of canvas >2-wedge tents >1-hat ea >1-Bible >1-compass >toiletries as group wanted >1-capote ea, or some kind of coat >1-west ea (optional) >socks (optional) >fishing gear (optional) >reading glasses as nessecarry >smoking pipe's 1 ea or moore > >There are probably things I have forgoten, all the horses were there to hall >plews out after the season was over. >YMOS >Ole #718 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #735 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.