From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #760 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, March 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 760 In this issue: - Re: MtMan-List: jerky - Re: MtMan-List: OT : Mad Cow / Chronic Wasting Disease - Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber - Re: MtMan-List: jerky - Re: MtMan-List: jerky - Re: MtMan-List: jerky - Re: MtMan-List: OT : Mad Cow / Chronic Wasting Disease - =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20MtMan-List:=20OT=20:=20=20Mad=20Cow=20/=20Chroni?= =?UTF-8?Q?c=20Wasting=20Disease?= - Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber - Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber - MtMan-List: Mad Cow/Chronic Wasting Disease - Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber - MtMan-List: Fur Trade Symposium - Re: MtMan-List: jerky - Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber - Re: MtMan-List:humility - Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber - Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber - Re: MtMan-List: jerky - Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber - Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber - Re: MtMan-List: Basic BS/NADA - Re: MtMan-List: Basic BS/NADA - MtMan-List: ACROSS THE SEASONS - Off Topic ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:29:50 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky Mark, Once the meat "skins over" or gets a dry surface on it, the flies can't lay eggs and don't mess with it all that much. The smoke helps keep them away but it isn't all that necessary for the basic job of letting the meat air dry. It takes as long as it takes. Cryptic I know but it is all tied in with the ambient humidity, etc. Dry windy conditions will cause the meat to dry much faster than if it's raining. If your worried about flies crawling all over it, just cover with cheese cloth which you should be able to get in a fabric store and perhaps even in a hardware store. Just remember, the thinner you slice it, the quicker it will dry. Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: "CrookedHand" To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:52 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky > thanks Roger... what about flies? we got cows and horses and goats.. duh.... - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:34:38 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT : Mad Cow / Chronic Wasting Disease Anybody have any more info? Don't wanna give up Caribou > sausage or Venison steaks, but don't wanna end up on the ground doin' the > chicken either. Barney Barney, We are watching it closely out west here but for now, cook the meat and be careful of cuts when butchering. Magpie was the only one in our circle who made meat this year and I don't think he was all that careful with his cooking or cutting techniques. Been making some funny sounds and doing a silly dance where he flaps his arms as he jumps around randomly. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:37:45 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Newbill" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 1:22 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber > Welcome Tod > > A few y'alls are nice to hear... don't hear that many since planting myself in > the great Northwest, and folks still look at me funny once in a while when they > hear 'em. Lee, Thats not why we look at you funny when we see you. But if it means all that much to you, we will start "y'all" ing you a bit more. BTW, Bonnie Lake is March 23/25, the Palouse Run is April 6/8. Be there. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:27:45 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky Reg Laubin's Indian Tipi book goes into some detail including how to take a "roast" and unroll it with a knife sharpened on one side. Side note: really cheap trade knives were made of iron that was casehardened. If you sharpened both sides you lost all the hardness - one side, still worked a bit. Anyway - salting and smokeing was the way the earliest european-contact meat was preserved by the French who fished the outer banks, and it was Nathanial Wyeth's plan to send salted salmon back from Oregon by ship along with the beaver hides he would have had if Sublet hadn't beat him out of the rendezvous business that year. Same preservation methods as the early French (and many others). Some Indians had it - some did not. Mostly the meat was dried on the smokey side of the fire, though, to keep the flies off of it. RJames - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:51:54 -0500 From: "CrookedHand" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky OK!!!!!!!! Thanks... when the wind dies down. I have a bunch of beef and venison jerked and frozen.. will go for it.. I have a lovely pit set up here with grates. iron feet, spits and the works that a good friend and buckskinner/iron smith made for me.... can surely get it directly over the fire... wish me luck Mark "Crooked Hand" Toigo /aka/ Wethlee-Enké http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699 http://members.nbci.com/crookedhand/gallery.htm - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky > Crooked Hand, > In camps, we have done this and found that the preparation of the > process (how you do it) to be more important than how you do the meat. > The easiest way it to build a rack out of green sticks about four - six inches > off the fire. We usually use four forked sticks as corner posts and then lay > stickes over it to make a grill. Keep the fire low (if you can't keep your hand > > over it, it is too hot). The meat should be cut thin, to dry faster, but we > have used > thicknesses up to 3/8 inch and it still work, just takes longer and the outside > > will get done but the inside still alittle raw. Lean meat is the best. If in a > primitive > camp, we don't meranade the meat or add salt or pepper, just plain. I think > this > it the best way, you can then use it in many different foods and the meat won't > > pass on any flavor but it's own to the mix. Or make you thirsty when eating it. > > Turn the meat regualrly and keep the dogs away. If bugs are a problem in your > area, make the fire smoky and this will help. I am used to doing this in the > rockys, > and the humility is pretty low here (maybe 8-10%), so can't help with any ideas > > for doing this in a high humility area. > Roger is right, most meat will dry on by it's self in a few days, but by > using a small > fire you can speed up the process. Most of the time in camp you can do a good > batch > in about 4 hours. It does take some one watching the fire during this time, but > they > usually get to do the taste testing! > mike. > Oh, many people don't know what to do with all the hard, small bits of old (who > > knows how old) jerky that always ends up in the bottom of the jerky bag. This > is the perfect stuff for the winter trail food. Why spend the time and the > effort to > pound up jerky for pemmican? You already have it. > > Roger Lahti wrote: > > > Crooked Hand, > > > > >From what I have read, you just cut the meat in long strips with the grain > > and drape it over a pole above the smoke of the fire. No heat is really > > involved. > > > > Crawdad and I jerked some buffalo at the AMM Nationals a couple years back > > by just hanging it on ropes around camp. Dried out in a couple days. > > > > Capt. Lahti' > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:56:17 -0500 From: "CrookedHand" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky I am so advised... will so do.. and thanks Mark "Crooked Hand" Toigo /aka/ Wethlee-Enké http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699 http://members.nbci.com/crookedhand/gallery.htm - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Lahti" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 11:29 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky > Mark, > > Once the meat "skins over" or gets a dry surface on it, the flies can't lay > eggs and don't mess with it all that much. The smoke helps keep them away > but it isn't all that necessary for the basic job of letting the meat air > dry. It takes as long as it takes. Cryptic I know but it is all tied in with > the ambient humidity, etc. Dry windy conditions will cause the meat to dry > much faster than if it's raining. > > If your worried about flies crawling all over it, just cover with cheese > cloth which you should be able to get in a fabric store and perhaps even in > a hardware store. > > Just remember, the thinner you slice it, the quicker it will dry. > > Capt. Lahti' > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CrookedHand" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:52 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky > > > > thanks Roger... what about flies? we got cows and horses and goats.. > duh.... > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:05:54 -0600 From: "jdearing" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT : Mad Cow / Chronic Wasting Disease This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0A3DA.4C91DE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Deer heads were to be turned in the CDOW for test of the=20 >brain to determine if the deer had CWD. "There is no evidence that = chronic=20 >wasting disease affects human, but the Division of Wildlife advises = hunters=20 >to take simple precautions when handling the carcass of any deer or = elk=20 >harvested in the units where CWD occurs. "Were rubber gloves when = field=20 >dressing Carcasses, minimize handling brain pr spinal tissues and = wash hands=20 >afterwards." =20 It's my understanding that the prion that causes this disease is = confined to the brain and spinal cord, so avoid eating those parts of the animal. And = since=20 infected spinal cord material _could_ be smeared on the various cuts = of meat by commercial meat processors when they cut through the spine, that = caution _could_ include meat cut by commercial processors. I debone all my meat, and this, as of this time, appears one way to = avoid contracting=20 the disease. The experts claim that CWD does not affect humans, but = why take=20 chances? BTW, I wonder how the anti's will put their spin on this to "prove" = that eating wild meat is=20 bad for us. =20 J.D. - ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0A3DA.4C91DE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>Deer heads were = to be turned=20 in the CDOW for test of the
>brain to determine if the deer had = CWD.=20 "There is no evidence that chronic
>wasting disease = affects=20 human, but the Division of Wildlife advises hunters
>to take = simple=20 precautions when handling the carcass of any deer or elk =
>harvested in=20 the units where CWD occurs. "Were rubber gloves when field=20
>dressing Carcasses, minimize handling brain pr spinal tissues = and wash=20 hands
>afterwards."

It's my understanding that the prion = that causes=20 this disease is confined to the

brain and spinal cord, so avoid = eating those=20 parts of the animal. And since

infected spinal cord material = _could_ be=20 smeared on the various cuts of meat by

commercial meat processors when = they cut=20 through the spine, that caution _could_

include meat=20 cut by commercial processors.

I debone all my meat, and this, as of = this time,=20 appears one way to avoid contracting

the disease. The experts claim that = CWD does not=20 affect humans, but why take

chances?

BTW, I wonder how the anti's will put = their spin=20 on this to "prove" that eating wild meat is

bad for us.

J.D.

- ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0A3DA.4C91DE80-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:03:33 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20MtMan-List:=20OT=20:=20=20Mad=20Cow=20/=20Chroni?= =?UTF-8?Q?c=20Wasting=20Disease?= In a message dated 3/3/01 8:31:33 AM, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes: << Magpie was the only one in our circle who made meat this year and I don't think he was all that careful with his cooking or cutting techniques. Been making some funny sounds and doing a silly dance where he flaps his arms as he jumps around randomly. >> SQUAAAAARK!!!..... Seems to me you ate your share of that critter when=20 you were here last...... only put Crawdad down with an ulcer. That ain't ba= d=20 meat...with the right amount of "sauce".... Magpie =20 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 11:14:52 -0800 From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber > Roger Lahti wrote: > Thats not why we look at you funny when we see you. But if it means all that > much to you, we will start "y'all" ing you a bit more. Capt. Y'all have truly wounded my poor, tender feelings. Me poor, abused heart weeps silent tears. And to think of all those miles us pilgrims had to lug you in that Sedan chair.... with the poles cutting into our shoulders, and you laying the whip freely upon us.... I still haven't found that requirment on the pilgrim's list at Dean's site. My suspicions grow..... Lee Newbill Humble Pilgrim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:16:00 -0500 From: "D. Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber ". I still haven't found that requirment on the pilgrim's list at Dean's site." Lee, Keep lookin'... I hadda make my Brigade Booshway's bed, keep him "watered" and attempt to keep alive one of the Hiveranno's that signed my papers.. I never found those in there either, but I was told that they are "implied"... So I figger if I can find a Pilgrim that sticks, I will live cushy.. Cause in the last few years my eyesight has gotten some better and I can see ALL those requirement writ down plain as the nose on yer face.. D P.S. Rog, The sedan chair sure sound a mite more comfortable than the travois I had in mind... D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:51:42 EST From: GHickman@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Mad Cow/Chronic Wasting Disease This was a response I made on another list to a question on Mad Cow/Chronic Wasting Disease, seen recently on a TV report. There are more questions than answers and it is something to be aware of. "They have it in Colorado and Wyoming in the wild populations. Game farm elk in Montana were destroyed this year with it. I believe that game farm elk have also had it in Oklahoma, one other state, and in 2000 it appeared in one of the Canadian provinces, I think Saskatchewan. It was also found on a game farm there. The disease was traced back to Montana from animals shipped to Oklahoma that came down with the disease. The Wyoming Game & Fish Department has an informational flyer on the disease and I'm sure that Colorado must too. Montana has a new flyer out, but it is mostly a copy of the Wyoming flyer. It is not a new disease and has been known for +20 years in Colorado then into Wyoming. I have worked for the Montana FWP in collecting CWD (Chronic Wasting Disease) samples for the past to years in our local check station and on confiscated game in our area. So far Montana has not found the disease in the wild populations, but we are very concerned about it. The disease cannot be detected without killing the animal and taking brain, tonsil and/or spinal samples. Brain, tonsil and spinal samples are put in formaldehyde and on ice. They are usually processed at the lab within 48 hours of kill. There is no cure for CWD and we aren't even sure what causes it or how it is spread. We do know it is manifested as a prion, which is a "mutated' or altered protein. We don't know what causes the protein to be different. Animals may not even be symptomatic for years (7-12 years) and are probably passing it to their off spring during that period. When they do become symptomatic they are dying and usually do die within weeks or days. There is more that we don't know than we do know about this disease. In recent years it has most commonly been found in game farm animals. It does not seem to kill all animals that get it and it seems that not all animals will get it. So far CWD has not been linked to humans although neither was mad cow disease, initially. As much as I love brain tan I would be very reluctant to handle brains now. As a minimum I would wear rubber gloves, insure I had no cuts or open wounds, and disinfect everything when I was through. I would also be concerned about disposal of the left over brain material. A friend who brain tans says he has been doing it for years and he doesn't have it. I say you don't know you have it until you become symptomatic and then it is too late. I don't want to be an alarmist and I don't want to say much more and get it any more wrong than I already have. All of my information and notes are at the office. I would contact your state game agencies for the latest information within your area. In closing I'm still eating elk and deer I kill here in Montana. I always cook meat well, and I also did not make any elk or deer jerky the last two years. I made all of my jerky from antelope. However, I've given up handling brains and probably will not brain tan this year. I also wear gloves and disinfect my hands, knives and saws after gutting, and again after any butchering. Including putting all clothes in the laundry with a little bleach. I carry some disposable rubber gloves in a zip lock to wear when gutting/dield dressing deer and elk. At work we disinfect all tools, gloves, aprons, rubber boots, and work areas with Novasol (sp.). Then we wash hands with 70% isopropyl alcohol followed by antibacterial soap. To give this some historic/black powder content I did kill all of my deer in Montana with black powder for the past 4 years (that's 8 deer). Be careful." YMOS Ghosting Wolf - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:02:31 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber > And to think of all those miles us pilgrims had to lug you in that Sedan > chair.... with the poles cutting into our shoulders, and you laying the whip > freely upon us.... Lee!!!!!!!!! For crying out loud! That's secret AMM stuff that we don't want the public to know about. I still haven't found that requirment on the pilgrim's list > at Dean's site. Of course not. It's secret stuff! Now if you want to discuss this, do it off list just with me. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:00:15 EST From: GHickman@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Symposium Here is a reply I got from Randy Kane at Fort Union regarding when the 2000 Fur Trade Symposium proceedings would be available. If you didn't go you missed a fantastic 3 days of fur trade history. Good news is that the proceedings will cover most topics, if you've already forgotten or couldn't go. YMOS Ghosting Wolf AKA Bead Shooter AKA Gene Hickman The Symposium Proceedings will be printed at the end of March. Cost will be $5.00 for each Symposium participant and $8.95 for everyone else. The $5.00 rate is for one book each for each Symposium participant. Add $1.30 for shipping and 5% sales tax for North Dakota residents. Make check out to Fort Union Association and send check to: Fort Union Trading Post 15550 HWY 1804 Williston, ND 58801 or order by credit card: 1-800-434-0233. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 14:58:27 -0700 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky Randy, Well, you should be glad that you are a good friend. Like always, Denise who does my proofing and editing on the articles will kill me. By the way, remind me not to spell your name right or say anything good about you on the next article, when we meet again. You know, 8- 10 % is pretty good for us writers! See you on the canoe trip. mike. Randal J Bublitz wrote: > Mike, You impressed me as a pretty humble man........ > > "the humility is pretty low here (maybe 8-10%), so can't help with any > ideas > > for doing this in a high humility area." > > hardtack > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:45:43 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber Capt, I didn't know you were a Democrat! I smell a cover up....... "Teton" Todd D. Glover www.homestead.juno.com/tetontodd/index.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:39:53 -0800 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:humility > [Original Message] > From: Mike Moore > To: > Date: 3/3/01 1:58:27 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky > > Randy, > Well, you should be glad that you are a good friend. Like always, > Denise who does my proofing and editing on the articles will kill me. > By the way, remind me not to spell your name right or say anything > good about you on the next article, when we meet again. > You know, 8- 10 % is pretty good for us writers! See you on the > canoe trip. > mike. Hi Mike, sorry..... couldn't resist . You do write fine articles... Especially the one that mentions me . We are looking forward to the canoe trip on the Upper Missouri. Did you receive the newsletter? We will see "Scenes of Visionary Enchantment" (Lewis & Clark Journals). The White Cliffs are worth seeing. We'll be nearly to Canada, a long ways off.... I also look forward to seeing Ft. Benton again. Lots of Fur Trade History there. See you soon amigo mio. hardtack - --- Randal Bublitz - --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net - --- EarthLink: It's - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:58:44 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Glover" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 2:45 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber > Capt, > > I didn't know you were a Democrat! I smell a cover up....... I'm not but then you must not know Republicans all that well..... Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:10:00 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber well....ahem...there was that one Nixon feller, but I wasn't old enough to vote then. "Teton" Todd D. Glover www.homestead.juno.com/tetontodd/index.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:30:49 EST From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky In a message dated 3/3/01 9:01:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, chand@alltel.net writes: << now, how LONG do you smoke the stuff >> Till it looks and feels like dried meat. No particular time limit. Obviously, a wet, damp day does not lend itself to dry meat. Just have to do it and learn. Applewood or green hickory chips on the fire lend a nice taste. It is fun to do and try. Not a task for a 30 minute time limit, though!!!! - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:59:45 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber In a message dated 3/3/01 11:59:57 AM, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes: << For crying out loud! That's secret AMM stuff that we don't want the public to know about. >> I guess me having to root through the briar patches to flush out pheasants for you to shoot at was secret stuff too...... ! Hang in there Lee.... we'll be Bossloper's ....hell, HIVERANNO's, soon, and then they'll dance to a different tune! Ah... Good Capt Lahti.....you need me to pack another jug of Capt Morgan's finest to the Enumclaw show....sir? Ymos, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:03:51 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question from new subsciber In a message dated 3/3/01 11:16:58 AM, deforge1@bright.net writes: << Cause in the last few years my eyesight has gotten some better and I can see ALL those requirement writ down plain as the nose on yer face.. D >> Dennis, You boys are putting new meaning into the term "indentured servant".... Magpie Rank Pilgrum AMM - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:36:22 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Basic BS/NADA > Ah... Good Capt Lahti.....you need me to pack another jug of Capt Morgan's > finest to the Enumclaw show....sir? Magpie, Naw, I foisted you off on another Party so you don't have to kiss up anymore. Besides I only need to be drunk when I'm camped with you. We really should take this personal bs off this list. It's ok on the members list but it can get to be too much quick on here. A little goes a long ways. Sorry folks for the banter amongst brothers. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 20:43:05 -0500 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Basic BS/NADA I like it. Linda Holley Roger Lahti wrote: > > Ah... Good Capt Lahti.....you need me to pack another jug of Capt Morgan's > > finest to the Enumclaw show....sir? > > Magpie, > > Naw, I foisted you off on another Party so you don't have to kiss up > anymore. Besides I only need to be drunk when I'm camped with you. > > We really should take this personal bs off this list. It's ok on the members > list but it can get to be too much quick on here. A little goes a long ways. > Sorry folks for the banter amongst brothers. > > Capt. Lahti' > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:47:30 EST From: Wind1838@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: ACROSS THE SEASONS - Off Topic - --part1_7c.1266c034.27d2f8b2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends: There's only one thing better than finally having my novel, ACROSS THE SEASONS, in print, and that is a positive review from Dr. Fred Gowans (ROCKY MOUNTAIN RENDEZVOUS and many, many others), and a personal letter from Charlton Heston. Charlton Heston: "I, too, have been intrigued by Osborne Russell. And the first film my son, Fraser, wrote was THE MOUNTAIN MEN. I must say, it was a thrill for me to do that film with my son. I wish you well with your book as with all else." I don't have Dr. Gowans' written review, but I talked to him this week and he said he thoroughly enjoyed the novel and would never think of Osborne Russell the same way again. I found much of my encouragement and found the answers to many of my questions on this "history list." I heartily thank you. If any of you are interested in purchasing a copy of my book, it would be my pleasure to send you a copy. The cost is $17.95. Shipping is $1.50 (7 day delivery) or $3.50 for Priority Mail (2-3 days). My address is Laura Glise, 5289 Lake Hills Street SE, Olympia, WA 98513. I would be happy to autograph your copy if you will send me the particulars. You may also ask your local bookstore to order you a copy. Again, thank all of you for helping me find my way across the seasons. Laura Glise ACROSS THE SEASONS ISBN 1-55212-625-0 Trafford Publishing - --part1_7c.1266c034.27d2f8b2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends:

There's only one thing better than finally having my novel, ACROSS THE
SEASONS, in print, and that is a positive review from Dr. Fred Gowans (ROCKY
MOUNTAIN RENDEZVOUS and many, many others), and a personal letter from
Charlton Heston.

Charlton Heston: "I, too, have been intrigued by Osborne Russell. And the
first film my son, Fraser, wrote was THE MOUNTAIN MEN. I must say, it was a
thrill for me to do that film with my son. I wish you well with your book as
with all else."

I don't have Dr. Gowans' written review, but I talked to him this week and he
said he thoroughly enjoyed the novel and would never think of Osborne Russell
the same way again.

I found much of my encouragement and found the answers to many of my
questions on this "history list." I heartily thank you. If any of you are
interested in purchasing a copy of my book, it would be my pleasure to send
you a copy. The cost is $17.95. Shipping is $1.50 (7 day delivery) or $3.50
for Priority Mail (2-3 days). My address is Laura Glise, 5289 Lake Hills
Street SE, Olympia, WA 98513. I would be happy to autograph your copy if you
will send me the particulars. You may also ask your local bookstore to order
you a copy.

Again, thank all of you for helping me find my way across the seasons.
Laura Glise
ACROSS THE SEASONS
ISBN 1-55212-625-0
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