From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #784 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, April 16 2001 Volume 01 : Number 784 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Magazines for sale or trade -       MtMan-List: Larua Glise Update -       MtMan-List: Subject: Stand up!! -       Re: MtMan-List: arrow moccasins. -       Re: MtMan-List: Larua Glise Update -       Re: MtMan-List: arrow moccasins. -       Re: MtMan-List: arrow moccasins. -       Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant -       Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant -       Re: MtMan-List: Larua Glise Update -       MtMan-List: Mtn. Man education -       Re: MtMan-List: arrow moccasins. -       Re: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man education -       Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant -       MtMan-List: Laura Glise Update -       Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant -       Re: MtMan-List: Larua Glise Update -       Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant -       Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant -       MtMan-List: Womens Clothing Revisited ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:11:47 -0500 From: "Paul W. Jones" Subject: MtMan-List: Magazines for sale or trade As I face the threat of more pain, or at least continuing to have to sleep outside (the dogs get to stay indoors), if I do not substantially clean out my pack-rat collection of boxes (before we finish our move to a new cave) containing heavens knows what, I have the following to offer: Assorted original and copied volumes from the Museum of the Fur Trade (back to the early '70's) and volumes from The Backwoodsman (1980's). Have not sorted them by date or prepared an inventory yet, but when I finish digging through another 8 or so boxes I should be able to list out what I have should anyone be interested. First come, first serve. Price and/or trade value subject to whatever variables we care to interject. Regards, Pablo - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:43:30 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Larua Glise Update This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C0C50A.6B41E7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My wife just TALKED to Laura Glise. They're almost sure they got all = the tumor. The complete pathology reports won't be back until Wednesday. = They still are not sure if this was a malignant tumor. She's actually = going to be temporarily released from the hospital this afternoon, with = restrictions, of course. They're going to a hotel. Once they get the = full report, her surgeon will then decide what course of treatment to = use as follow up. Her sister said that Laura is in a state of grace and = that she's positive it's is from all the prayers. Everyone there at the = hospital can't believe how fast she's recovered from this surgery. = She's up walking and getting her own diet Dr Pepper from the nurses = station. The woman is incredible. =20 She said that she's well enough to sit up and take nourishment!! For = breakfast this morning she had grits, with no cheese, and some really = BAD coffee. She said that really pissed her off, her own words. She = sends her love to each of you and wants us to be sure to eat something = chocolate in her honor for Easter. She can't stay on the phone very long = she's having a slight problem with being confused, which is = understandable. She wishes all of you a Happy Easter and says to tell = you that she'll be back in the silver smoke in no time! This isn't over = for her by any means, she's still going to need further treatment = regardless of a malignancy. Please keep her in your prayers. She's going = to call again sometime tomorrow afternoon. We can pass along any = messages you might have. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C0C50A.6B41E7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

My wife just TALKED to Laura=20 Glise.  They're almost sure they got = all the=20 tumor. The complete pathology reports won't be back until Wednesday. = They still=20 are not sure if this was a malignant tumor. She's actually going to = be=20 temporarily released from the hospital this afternoon, with = restrictions, of=20 course. They're going to a hotel. Once they get the full report, her = surgeon=20 will then decide what course of treatment to use as follow up. Her=20 sister said that Laura is in a state of grace and that she's = positive it's=20 is from all the prayers. Everyone there at the hospital can't believe = how =20 fast she's recovered from this surgery. She's up walking and getting her = own=20 diet Dr Pepper from the nurses station. The woman is=20 incredible.  
She said that she's well enough to sit up and = take=20 nourishment!!  For breakfast this morning she had grits, with no = cheese,=20 and some really BAD coffee. She said that really pissed her off, her own = words.  She sends her love to each of you and wants us to be sure = to eat=20 something chocolate in her honor for Easter. She can't stay on the phone = very=20 long she's having a slight problem with being confused, which is = understandable.=20 She wishes all of you a Happy Easter and says to tell you that she'll be = back in=20 the silver smoke in no time! This isn't over for her by any means, she's = still=20 going to need further treatment regardless of a malignancy. Please = keep her=20 in your prayers. She's going to call again sometime tomorrow afternoon. = We can=20 pass along any messages you might have.
 
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C0C50A.6B41E7C0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:39:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Buck Conner Subject: MtMan-List: Subject: Stand up!! Received this last week and I think this is a good idea from an old Special Forces buddy, and member of this list Mike Rock. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subject: Stand up!! In 1775 a band of American Colonists, disguised as Indians, tossed a load of British tea in the Boston harbor and America became a coffee drinking country. As Communists China is violating international law and illegally detaining 24 US Military personnel it occurs to me that the time is right to teach the Chinese Communists the capitalist golden rule: "He who has the gold, makes the rules". The American consumer has the gold, and the Chinese have tons of goods for sale on our retailers shelves. Probably so many goods, that it is not possible to boycott all Chinese goods cold turkey. That is not an insurmountable problem. If you absolutely need it and there is not a viable alternative - buy it. However, if the item is luxury or a deferrable purchase - leave it on the shelf. If this boycott of Chinese goods is successful, two things will happen: 1) After our military personnel are released, there will be one hell of a sale. 2) Retailers having learned of the danger of their profits being held hostage to an international political situation, will diversify their suppliers and provide goods from alternative non Chinese sources. I don't normally get involved in letters of this kind, however in this case, I am making an exception. I am sending copies of this email to several people on my mailing list. If everyone who in turn receives it did likewise, by the 8th generation, we would have sent this message several billion times. Who knows, we might even inspire a world wide consumer revolt against Chinese goods. As JFK said, "Ask not what your country can do for you - but what you can do for your country." Stand up and be counted - pass this along . Thanks for your time, take care. Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ AMM ~ LENAPE ~ NRA ~ HRD ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://pages.about.com/conner1/ http://pages.about.com/buckconner/ "Rival the best - Surpass the rest". ___________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:51:49 EDT From: WSmith4100@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: arrow moccasins. - --part1_6b.12c4eaa7.280a58b5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pardon my ignorance, I know it runs deep. Where does one find, get or acquire arrow mocs? thanks in advance. SLeeps loudly Boise, ID - --part1_6b.12c4eaa7.280a58b5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pardon my ignorance,  I know it runs deep.  Where does one find, get or
acquire arrow mocs?
thanks in advance.

SLeeps loudly
Boise, ID - --part1_6b.12c4eaa7.280a58b5_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:19:11 -0700 From: "Lyle Horne" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Larua Glise Update This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0C520.2AE1F290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lanney, Please forward to Laura that she is still in the thoughts and = prayers of the Men of the Canot du Nord, Northwest Brigade, AMM. YHS = Lyle Horne Party Clerk. Thank You. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lanney Ratcliff=20 To: AMM=20 Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Larua Glise Update My wife just TALKED to Laura Glise. They're almost sure they got all = the tumor. The complete pathology reports won't be back until Wednesday. = They still are not sure if this was a malignant tumor. She's actually = going to be temporarily released from the hospital this afternoon, with = restrictions, of course. They're going to a hotel. Once they get the = full report, her surgeon will then decide what course of treatment to = use as follow up. Her sister said that Laura is in a state of grace and = that she's positive it's is from all the prayers. Everyone there at the = hospital can't believe how fast she's recovered from this surgery. = She's up walking and getting her own diet Dr Pepper from the nurses = station. The woman is incredible. =20 She said that she's well enough to sit up and take nourishment!! For = breakfast this morning she had grits, with no cheese, and some really = BAD coffee. She said that really pissed her off, her own words. She = sends her love to each of you and wants us to be sure to eat something = chocolate in her honor for Easter. She can't stay on the phone very long = she's having a slight problem with being confused, which is = understandable. She wishes all of you a Happy Easter and says to tell = you that she'll be back in the silver smoke in no time! This isn't over = for her by any means, she's still going to need further treatment = regardless of a malignancy. Please keep her in your prayers. She's going = to call again sometime tomorrow afternoon. We can pass along any = messages you might have. YMOS Lanney Ratcliff - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0C520.2AE1F290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lanney, Please forward to Laura that = she is still=20 in the thoughts and prayers of the Men of the Canot du Nord, Northwest = Brigade,=20 AMM. YHS Lyle Horne Party Clerk. Thank You.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lanney=20 Ratcliff
To: AMM
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 = 3:43=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Larua = Glise=20 Update

 

My wife just TALKED to Laura=20 Glise.  They're almost sure they got = all the=20 tumor. The complete pathology reports won't be back until Wednesday. = They=20 still are not sure if this was a malignant tumor. She's actually = going to=20 be temporarily released from the hospital this afternoon, with = restrictions,=20 of course. They're going to a hotel. Once they get the full report, = her=20 surgeon will then decide what course of treatment to use as follow up. = Her=20 sister said that Laura is in a state of grace and that she's = positive=20 it's is from all the prayers. Everyone there at the hospital can't = believe=20 how  fast she's recovered from this surgery. She's up walking and = getting=20 her own diet Dr Pepper from the nurses station. The woman is=20 incredible.  
She said that she's well enough to sit up = and take=20 nourishment!!  For breakfast this morning she had grits, with no = cheese,=20 and some really BAD coffee. She said that really pissed her off, her = own=20 words.  She sends her love to each of you and wants us to be sure = to eat=20 something chocolate in her honor for Easter. She can't stay on the = phone very=20 long she's having a slight problem with being confused, which is=20 understandable. She wishes all of you a Happy Easter and says to tell = you that=20 she'll be back in the silver smoke in no time! This isn't over for her = by any=20 means, she's still going to need further treatment regardless = of a=20 malignancy. Please keep her in your prayers. She's going to call again = sometime tomorrow afternoon. We can pass along any messages you might=20 have.
 
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0C520.2AE1F290-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:27:12 -0700 From: "Lyle Horne" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: arrow moccasins. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0C521.49AD7130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.arrowmoc.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: WSmith4100@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 6:51 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: arrow moccasins. Pardon my ignorance, I know it runs deep. Where does one find, get = or=20 acquire arrow mocs?=20 thanks in advance.=20 SLeeps loudly=20 Boise, ID=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0C521.49AD7130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://www.arrowmoc.com
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Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 = 6:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: arrow=20 moccasins.

Pardon my = ignorance,=20  I know it runs deep.  Where does one find, get or =
acquire arrow=20 mocs?
thanks in advance.

SLeeps loudly
Boise, = ID=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0C521.49AD7130-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:31:56 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: arrow moccasins. If you want Arrow mocs http://www.arrowmoc.com/ If you want Dyer mocs http://www.carldyers.com/ I don't perceive any qualitative difference between the two in historic accuracy of material, manufacture or design. The "Soulier de Boeuf" Arrow makes is simply one of their basic tailored moc bottoms with a sloppy top. Michel Viger who was making real "Bottes Sauvages" in Canada a couple of years back seems to have disappeared from the web. The Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly had an article on bottes back about '77 or '78. The basic boote sauvage was what country folk made for themselves -- to think no one wore them in the Rocky Mountains during 1800-1840 is pretty unlikely; they were too widely known. Years ago I wore a couple pair of Dyers out and learned they last longer if you don't use bear oil on them (the stitching pulls through the leather). Sure they'll repair them -- BUT -- they never fit again. English chrome tan leather is not superior to other leather particularly when treated with animal base oil and grease; it is also not correct to the period. Another option for commercially made mocs is: http://www.kaibabmocs.com/ Kaibab's are a little more like SW mocs than either of the above are to anything made back when. They are also not exactly as mocs were. If you want something really inappropriate try: http://www.sodhoppers.com/ A four piece Wellington boot would be more appropriate, and they aren't remotely correct. I've had several pair of plains style mocs last a few days. Pucker toes, center seams and side seams wear better for me. I really don't like making moccasins they wear out so fast it seems like wasted labor. The Stichin' Scotsman makes a much more correct moccasin for a lot less money than any of the above mentioned. http://www.stitchinscotsman.com/ As I age and grow stouter, Jefferson shoes and two piece boots become more desirable. John... At 09:51 PM 4/14/01 -0400, you wrote: >Pardon my ignorance, I know it runs deep. Where does one find, get or >acquire arrow mocs? >thanks in advance. > >SLeeps loudly >Boise, ID Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:04:04 EDT From: TerryTwoBear@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant Im glad i dont have one of those silly ass indian names. Two BEAR - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:38:04 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant Im glad i dont have one of those silly ass indian names. Two BEAR "one of those sillly-assed PSEUDO indian names" is what I said......like Blue Stone In Water. Lanney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 02:10:10 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Larua Glise Update Lanney tell Laura, Crazy and Jill and the rest of the crew from the Fort Hall and Poisson River country wanted to let her know that our thoughts & prayers have been with her threw this. I could tell she had the hair of the bear in her. Waugh! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:35:39 -0600 From: "Steve Banks" Subject: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man education Hello the brigade, My name is Steve Banks, I am new to the list and have enjoyed the opportunity to listen in on the conversations. I've been involved in the quest for the mountain men for over 30 years, no expert, just a child of the story. With your permission I would like to add one more name to the list of mountain men with education. He is Warren A. Ferris. His term was 1830 - 1835. He was trained as a surveyor, with education in the fine arts - music, literature and art. He left his mark as a surveyor on Dalles, Texas. (early day layout of the town along the Trinity River) One of his biggest contributions was his journal and his MAP. The story of the journal and map is a story by itself. See the 1983 copyrighted version of "LIFE IN THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS" by Warren Angus Ferris. YMOS Steve (no stupid nicknames either) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:50:24 -0400 From: "Fred A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: arrow moccasins. On Saturday 14 April 2001 21:51, you wrote: > Pardon my ignorance, I know it runs deep. Where does one find, get > or acquire arrow mocs? > thanks in advance. > > SLeeps loudly Got to: http://www.arrowmoc.com/ Fred - -- Winbloze: 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand 1-bit of competition. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:15:03 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man education Steve wrote : With your permission I would like to add one more name to the list of mountain men with education. He is Warren A. Ferris. Steve, you're absolutely right about Ferris. Did you know he is buried in a small cemetery in Dallas ? Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:14:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant D. Miles wrote on 4/13/01 19:09: >Yeah, lets be like the rest of the world and worry about bruising = someone's ego a little, or God forbid, a camp name or a little ribbing = might damage ones "self esteem" OH NO! Here I go agreeing with the blacksmith again! A Person would have to have a pretty low self image to be bothered by a = camp name. A person that depressed should not be around all of them = black powder guns anyway. They might hurt themselves. > >join a sewing circle, but beware, them old wimmin have sharp tongues!!! Go ahead and say it Dennis. Them old wimmon are mean as hell! > > Most of the people in this hobby are the salt of the earth, I cannot think of a better group of people to be around. Most will do = anything to help a new person. > >and a damned fair amount of them will tell you what they think in a = New York minute, This goes double when you ask for it! > >so if you can't take the heat, well, stay the hell outta the kitchen. Well said Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:27:25 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Laura Glise Update Laura Glise called today....said her husband had to dial the phone. The pathology report still isn't back on the tumor, but at least it's out of her head. She is scheduled to meet with her Doctor tomorrow to discuss what happens next. She is temporarily out of the hospital but will re-enter Duke U. Hospital later this week. She sounded great and is in good spirits. She is VERY glad to be back where grits are routinely served....even in hospital cafeterias. She learned to love grits as a girl in Texas and during the two decades she lived in Georgia. The only thing harder to find in the Seattle area than grits is Alex Rodriguez so she has them shipped in. That's about all I know. Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:29:41 EDT From: TerryTwoBear@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant Brother. ok . Two BEAR - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:36:52 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Larua Glise Update This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C0C658.C4BFCDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lanney.... Thanks SO much for keeping us updated on Laura's progress. I have not = been lucky enough to meet her in person, but she went out of her way to = send me her book via friends at the South Eastern Ronny. It was a GREAT = book, and I think somewhat describes her.The next time you talk to her, = please tell her Ad Miller sends his best wishes for a speedy recovery, = and that she is in my thoughts and prayers.=20 Thanks Ad Miller - ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C0C658.C4BFCDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lanney....
 
Thanks SO much for keeping us updated = on Laura's=20 progress. I have not been lucky enough to meet her in person, but she = went out=20 of her way to send me her book via friends at the South Eastern Ronny. = It was a=20 GREAT book, and I think somewhat describes her.The next time you talk to = her,=20 please tell her Ad Miller sends his best wishes for a speedy recovery, = and that=20 she is in my thoughts and prayers.
 
Thanks
 
Ad Miller
- ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C0C658.C4BFCDE0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:57:54 -0400 From: "'bella" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant Since I missed the beginning of this 'rant'... let me offer my airheaded half ducat's worth........ my camp name was/is ''shameless'' ::LOL:: why? because of a statement I made. ''hel, I have NO shame, I will ask anyone to sign my petition" that petition was to make a spot in the state of colorado a wilderness area. I eventually happened, the eagles nest is forever closed to motorized vehicles. That nick could have and has been taken in more than one way. Usually it gets corrected in right quick fashion and not by me. In my case, I do NOT tease people unless I like them.. for the most part nicknames usually come from something valid. my dance name of Sabella (I do middle eastern dancing) was shortened by a BF to 'bella. Italian for 'beautiful woman'... now he and i no longer speak and truth be told if he and I were in a room together, HE would not come out alive. but the nick still sticks. It is my own opinion, but not that of my evil twin skippy, that those who balk at affectionate or teasing or even earned nicknames, especially in this particular scenario... need to get a life. I mean, if the nick were a nasty put down, well, yes, it might be offensive. I have been involved with AMM and buckskinning since 1976, not once have I ever seen or heard of anyone give a nick that was done in a malicious manner meant to hurt. HI Mike! now I am gonna go back to my lurking... and I am glad to be 'home'... signed off whilst I made a move a yr ago.. lost the url... sigh...... well I _am_ a blonde.. 'bella susanne Possum Hunter wrote: > D. Miles wrote on 4/13/01 19:09: > > >Yeah, lets be like the rest of the world and worry about bruising someone's ego a little, or God forbid, a camp name or a little ribbing might damage ones "self esteem" > > OH NO! Here I go agreeing with the blacksmith again! > A Person would have to have a pretty low self image to be bothered by a camp name. A person that depressed should not be around all of them black powder guns anyway. They might hurt themselves. > > > >join a sewing circle, but beware, them old wimmin have sharp tongues!!! > > Go ahead and say it Dennis. Them old wimmon are mean as hell! > > > > Most of the people in this hobby are the salt of the earth, > > I cannot think of a better group of people to be around. Most will do anything to help a new person. > > > >and a damned fair amount of them will tell you what they think in a New York minute, > > This goes double when you ask for it! > > > >so if you can't take the heat, well, stay the hell outta the kitchen. > > Well said > > Possum > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:03:35 -0400 From: "D. Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant Pleased ta meet cha' Bella. D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:32:44 -0600 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Womens Clothing Revisited Some time back we had a discussion about women’s clothing and there was a limited amount of documentation presented. I have recently found two quotes by other authors of original sources that discribe the clothing worn by women. The first was written in 1841 about the group leaving the Red River Settlement for the Columbia. These women were Indian and mixed bloods who had long term ties to the fur trade. They could be considered Eastern by some, but there so many ties to the Northern Rockies that I believe it bares attention. The smartly dressed men were riding their showiest steeds, their wives and daughters were traveling in the carts, enthroned on high heaps of baggage. Many of the women were clearly of unmingled Indian blood, tall and anangular, long masses of straight black hair fell over their backs, blue and white cotton gowns, shapeless, stayless, uncrinolined, displayed the flatness of their unprojecting figures. Some wore gaudy handkerchief on the head, the married, one also across the bosum. Children of the Fur Trade. John C Jackson Quote of: Earl of Southesk, Saskatchewan and the Rocky Mountains (Rutland,Vt.: Charles Tuttle Co. 1969),44. The other quote was of Lieutenant Charles Wilkes, United States Navy, who visited the Columbia during the summer of 1841. He wrote of the Indian wives he encountered: The ladies of the country are dressed after our own bygone fashions with the exception of leggins made of red or blue cloth, richly ornamented. Their feet, which are small and pretty, are covered with worked mocasins. Many of them have a dignified look and carriage: their black eyes and hair, and brown ruddy complexion, combined with a pleasing expression give them an air of independence and usefulness that one little expects to see. As wives, they are spoken of as most devoted, and many of them have performed deeds in the hur of danger and difficulty, worthy of being recorded. . . Peter Skene Ogden: Fur Trader: Archie Binns. Binfords & Mort 1967. These quotes may leave as many questions as answers but is always nice to have something at least. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #784 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.