From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #792 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, April 23 2001 Volume 01 : Number 792 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: good handy tarp size -       Re: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size -       MtMan-List: Re: MtMan-tarp size- diamond tent -       Re: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size -       Re: MtMan-List: Tents -       Re: MtMan-List: Tent's -       Re: MtMan-List: Pedersoli Brown Bess -       Re: MtMan-List: Tents -       Re: MtMan-List: Tents -       MtMan-List: Fw: Laura Glise's Head Trip -       Re: MtMan-List: Tents -       MtMan-List: Pedersolli Brown Bess -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan-tarp size- diamond tent -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan-tarp size- diamond tent -       Re: MtMan-List: Tents -       MtMan-List: tents -       Re: MtMan-List: tents -       Re: MtMan-List: Tents -       MtMan-List: Rondevous -       Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent -       Re: MtMan-List: Rondevous -       Re: MtMan-List: Rondevous ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:14:26 -0600 From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" Subject: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size Thanks gentleman! For all your useful input. Since I am only 5' 8" and 200 #, I've decided to go with 9'x9' or thereabouts. Tom - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:35:22 -0400 From: "CrookedHand" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0CB28.B308C280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ad... you are bi enought hat a 10'x10' will hardly work as a BLANKET! = heh... Miss ya buddy... Mark "Crooked Hand" Toigo /aka/ Wethlee-Enk=E9 http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699 http://members.nbci.com/crookedhand/gallery.htm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Addison Miller=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size Like Hardtack, I am 6'4", and found that an 8x8 just was not big = enough. I use a 10x10 fly and set it up in a "plow" style. Works great = for me. I know it can be used like a "tent" or as a lean-to style, but = have not tried those ways yet. =20 Ad Miller - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0CB28.B308C280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ad... you are bi enought hat a 10'x10' = will hardly=20 work as a BLANKET! heh... Miss ya buddy...
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Like Hardtack, I am 6'4", and found = that an 8x8=20 just was not big enough.  I use a 10x10 fly and set it up in a = "plow"=20 style. Works great for me. I know it can be used like a "tent" or as=20 a lean-to style, but have not tried those ways = yet.
 
Ad = Miller
- ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0CB28.B308C280-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:37:31 From: "wayne anderson" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan-tarp size- diamond tent List, What size tarp do you reccommend for a diamond tent. I know TOF and Stickwalker used them at the last MLML at Snappers but don't remember the dimension. What do you recommend? Wayne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:54:07 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: good handy tarp size This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0CB22.EF9F6060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am 6' 6" ;and proportioned similarly to a Volkswagen Bus and I, too, = use a 10 X 10 piece of canvas, usually set as a diamond (or plow), with = good success. The diagonal of that size tarp is 14 feet and if the = front is set at a sensible height the sides spread out plenty far enough = to store any reasonable plunder...and a little dry firewood...with a = little living room at the front. A few springs back I pretty much lived = under such a set during a 30 hour rain. A small fire can be made near = the front, making life a little better under such conditions. Horace = Kephart's "Camping and Woodcraft" made it even better. The diamond set is very common today and works good but I don't recall = ever reading a description of such a set in old accounts. Can anyone = verify the use of the diamond set during the rendezvous period? Miller = depicts trappers lounging under canvas or blankets but not set as = diamonds in the scenes I can recall. I have wondered if some of the = more meticulous journal keepers ever described anything like a diamond. = Anybody know of such a passage? Just Curious Lanney Ratcliff - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0CB22.EF9F6060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am 6' 6" ;and proportioned similarly to a = Volkswagen Bus and=20 I, too, use a 10 X 10 piece of canvas, usually set as a diamond (or = plow), with=20 good success.  The diagonal of that size tarp is 14 feet and if the = front=20 is set at a sensible height the sides spread out plenty far enough to = store any=20 reasonable plunder...and a little dry firewood...with a little living = room at=20 the front.  A few springs back I pretty much lived under = such a=20 set during a 30 hour rain.  A small fire can be made near the = front, making=20 life a little better under such conditions.  Horace Kephart's = "Camping and=20 Woodcraft" made it even better.
 
The diamond set is very common today and works good = but I=20 don't recall ever reading a description of such a set in old = accounts.  Can=20 anyone verify the use of the diamond set during the rendezvous = period? =20 Miller depicts trappers lounging under canvas or blankets but not set as = diamonds in the scenes I can recall.   I have wondered if some = of the=20 more meticulous journal keepers ever described anything like a = diamond. =20 Anybody know of such a passage?
 
Just Curious
Lanney Ratcliff
- ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0CB22.EF9F6060-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:18:04 -0600 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents For those who are interested, here's a nice image of bell-backed wedge tents being used near modern Winnipeg in 1821: http://www.canadianheritage.org/reproductions/23244.htm If you just look at the bell of a bell-backed wedge, might it look like a one-pole tent? Perhaps this is what Miller's sketches show. Your humble &c &c Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:36:42 EDT From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tent's - --part1_ca.13e3df9a.281470aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/21/01 10:23:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, olebjensen@earthlink.net writes: > The Pyramid tent has been excepted without much complaint, but it has yet to > Wedge tent or tarp or wall tent or marquee all are documentable (DEPENDING ON YOUR PERSONNA) and cause not nit picking, holley ere than thou problems. Get a Peter Marques "Tentsmiths" bell back wedge or one of their tarps. Work well. no lip and last. YMOS C.T. Oakes - --part1_ca.13e3df9a.281470aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/21/01 10:23:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
olebjensen@earthlink.net writes:


The Pyramid tent has been excepted without much complaint, but it has yet to
be authenticated to the fur trade.


Wedge tent or tarp or wall tent or marquee all are documentable (DEPENDING ON
YOUR PERSONNA) and cause not nit picking, holley ere than thou problems.  Get
a Peter Marques "Tentsmiths" bell back wedge or one of their tarps.  Work
well. no lip and last.

YMOS

C.T. Oakes

- --part1_ca.13e3df9a.281470aa_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:36:40 EDT From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pedersoli Brown Bess - --part1_24.124cdfb6.281470a8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/21/01 11:44:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com writes: > a 24 Gauge Trade Gun. > Go for 20 gauge, more lead, wads, patches ready made and available and it was the "other" popular military load and readily available to the civilian market. As long as you get along or stole from the FRENCH. YMOS C.T. - --part1_24.124cdfb6.281470a8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/21/01 11:44:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com writes:


a 24 Gauge Trade Gun.


Go for 20 gauge, more lead, wads, patches ready made and available and it was
the "other" popular military load and readily available to the civilian
market.  As long as you get along or stole from the FRENCH.

YMOS

C.T. - --part1_24.124cdfb6.281470a8_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:52:49 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents In a message dated 4/22/01 10:25:48 AM, agottfre@telusplanet.net writes: << For those who are interested, here's a nice image of bell-backed wedge tents being used near modern Winnipeg in 1821: >> Great picture Angela! Have you seen any more of Rindisbacher's prints/paintings? I gather he did quite a few drawings in 1820 or so... Ymos, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:38:33 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents Angela wrote: For those who are interested, here's a nice image of bell-backed wedge tents being used near modern Winnipeg in 1821: http://www.canadianheritage.org/reproductions/23244.htm Rindisbacher must have been a shooting star of a talent.....died at 28 and painted this scene when he was only 15. Pretty cool. At that age I was busy being dumbfounded by Algebra I and the intricacies of the trap block. Lanney Ratcliff RINDISBACHER, Peter (1806-1834), born in Upper Emmenthal, Canton Bern (Switzerland). He received some art training before the Rindisbacher family went to western Canada in 1821. During the five years in the frontier settlement Peter helped to support his family by the sale of drawings and watercolors which depicted frontier life. The Rindisbachers moved south into Wisconsin in 1826. In 1829 they settled in St. Louis. Peter always recorded his new environments in his paintings. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:07:49 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: Laura Glise's Head Trip I just got this post from Laura Jean. Sounds pretty good. Lanney - ----- Original Message ----- From: Dear Friends: > > I have become my own "Science Experiment!" > > Your love and prayers have been well received. I thank you for the > affection and love you have sent to me and to my family. > > Needless to say this entire episode/event/experience was a surprise. I > didn't have plans for spring break, but having a team of surgeons take a > peak inside my "gray" matter hadn't even occurred to me. I do have some > concerns now that I will set off alarms in International airports because I > now have titanium screws in my head. Ain't life an adventure! Well, as > most of you know it always has always been an adventure for me and this has > been no exception. > > It still seems unreal to me that I had surgery to remove my malignant brain > tumor ten days ago. As most of you know I am at Duke University. I am > most appreciative to my brother, Charles, and to my husband, Phillip for > not taking "NO" for an answer and getting me across the country to the > number one medical center for research and clinical trials in this area. I > am doing very well. I was released from the hospital within three days of > surgery. > > Now, this is the really cool part. They have lots of very unusual medical > procedures in store for me. But I am not going to get into lots of details > except to tell you about the really humorous slant. This Thursday, Friday > and Saturday I will go back into the hospital and go into a type of > "microwave," where I will be "nuked." Any remaining cancer cells left > after the "resection" will be sent to the "dark side." After I come out of > the microwave I will go back to Duke, be examined (after the "geiger" > counter stops quits clicking) and then will have to recover for a month > before chemotherapy is added. At this point plans are for me to recuperate > at my Mother's. I will have to return to Duke before the end of May to be > reexamined again, then I will fly home to Olympia. Although I will have to > return to Duke every six-8 weeks, depending on my condition, I will receive > my treatment in Olympia. > > I can tell you my spirits are high. I am humbled by the courage I see > around me. I am humbled by the kindness that I see given by healthcare > workers to patients unable to take care of themselves. > I miss home. Please assured I will come home with lots of stand up comedy > material after dealing with these doctors. One physician from Indian at > the University of Washington actuall told me, "Well, if you have to have a > tumor, it is in a very, very good place." That guy was lucky I let him > LIVE. > > Take care of one another. > Love, Laura Jean > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:21:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Sega Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents In reply to Ole, I never said Mtn men did not stay safe and dry, my comment was that modern uses of tents and such is for comfort, not necessity. Often the tent is used to conceal non period equip etc. Obviously a hivernant would have needed shelter, and if they were to stay in an area for an extended time, shelter would be built. If 5-10 guys are spending the winter together, and they all have tarps, a shelter can be made that is quite servicable and warm. I also think natural shelter was sought and used. It just comes down to what type of shelter is needed for the season and circumstances. I've hunted in December near Ely nevada (Damn cold place) and been just fine in a sleeping bag with a tarp rigged as a wind break. I think the tent issue needs to be looked at in terms of practicality as well as documentation. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:30:11 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: Pedersolli Brown Bess Possum said, Possum, I have a BB bought in kit form from Navy Arms many years ago. It is Italian made and I presume was made by Pedersoli. Except for newer ones having "Made by Pedersolli" stamped on the side, mine is identical to the current models. BBs were popular 'back then' because they held up, stout and dependable affairs, they are. After about 26 years of regular shooting mine just recently gave me its first problems. The face hardening on the frizzen wore through to soft metal. Dunno how many thousands of flint strikes it took to do that. For reliability, I can reccomend the Italian made BB. Can't speak for the Jap version. But you are comparing a 28 guage Trade musket to an 11 guage BB. Ye will probably do OK with either, but ye need to decide what ye want. Big or little. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:59:44 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan-tarp size- diamond tent > What size tarp do you reccommend for a diamond tent. I know TOF and > Stickwalker used them at the last MLML at Snappers but don't remember the > dimension. What do you recommend? Wayne, Mine is 10'x10'.........you might ask why? Most sheet goods come in 60" widths. If you buy two 10' long pieces and have them sewn together with a good., waterproof, overlap seam, you only have one seam to worry about. If you purchase painter's tarps, they are often odd sizes and of multiple small pieces. I also had a piece of elk hide sewn in the exact center of mine to prop the center pole against. I don't have any dohickeys hanging off mine. I tie rope around musket balls for my attachments. TOF - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:21:16 EDT From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: MtMan-tarp size- diamond tent - --part1_3f.13f5818b.2814c16c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/22/01 12:38:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wanders66@hotmail.com writes: > I think you will find that anything less then 10x10 is to small in a heavy rain. Mine is 11x11 and big enough to get in out of the wet for me, my son and our gear. YMOS C.T. Oakes - --part1_3f.13f5818b.2814c16c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/22/01 12:38:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wanders66@hotmail.com writes:


What size tarp do you reccommend for


I think you will find that anything less then 10x10 is to small in a heavy
rain.  Mine is 11x11 and big enough to get in out of the wet for me, my son
and our gear.

YMOS

C.T. Oakes - --part1_3f.13f5818b.2814c16c_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:21:38 -0600 From: "Steve Banks" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents Thanks for a great website. The Canadian history very much affected the RMFT. My wife (of the past 6 years is Canadian, Lethbridge - Fort Whoop-Up) Alberta. This has given me several great opportunities to expand my horizons! I am also interested in the De la Verendryes who came into my stomping grounds (Wind River Mtns - Dubois) in 1743. Much obliged to you. Steve Banks - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Gottfred" To: Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents > For those who are interested, here's a nice image of bell-backed wedge > tents being used near modern Winnipeg in 1821: > http://www.canadianheritage.org/reproductions/23244.htm > > If you just look at the bell of a bell-backed wedge, might it look like a > one-pole tent? Perhaps this is what Miller's sketches show. > > Your humble &c &c > Angela Gottfred > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:35:27 -0400 From: "'bella" Subject: MtMan-List: tents was off surfing today.. this site.. they have wall tents.. check their hot deals section. www.reliabletent.com for those who are not purists.. they have am aluminum frame that one can slip a wall tent over. Interesting idea anyway. panther primitives - has 'used' tents from time to time for sale. here is their phone 1-800-487-2684 lady told me that they have a new catalog coming out and that I can plan on about a 20% increase in prices. here is a website.. while it is NOT geared to this list.. it is an interesting site about tents and pavilions and shelter for all time periods... this lady is on a list that is geared to sca type tenting, she mentioned that she has plans to eventually include post sca era tenting in the future. lots of information that can be gleaned from it. not to mention data that will back up how far back some types of tents go. this is the site index... lots of stuff here.. lots... don't let the title put you off. I was given this site a few yrs back by another black powder person. http://www.teleport.com/~tguptill/index.htm I do have to say this... one of my bitches with the ronny set is that a lot think that the only type tents 'period' are white canvas.. mmmmmm, got a pic at my mom's painted in the early 1700's, shows a striped tent at a family gathering in south carolina. They still would not let me bring my striped pavilion into site, made me put it in modern tenting. Same thing that year with the guy who had a period brown canvas tent.. he had done the research for Spanish Florida of the late 1700's... they used brown tents.. no go.. they were soooooo anal, that I have yet to attend another Alafia. That was in 1998. I am planing on the Eastern Primitive at the end of September though. It is an easy drive from where I live in Pittsburgh.. btw, Lanny? you seen mike rock lately? He seems to have dropped of the face of the flat earth again.. sigh...... 'bella - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:11:16 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tents If you want about every site that has a tipi or tent maker....here you are. They all will tell you what is authentic or not. There is even some of the multi stripe canvas tents to more modern. http://www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com/tipi_makers.htm As for Alafia, as long as you can document with first person information and a good right fist, you can use it. Unfortunately they cannot read and are very selective about enforcement of their own rules. Good luck with the Eastern. Linda Holley 'bella wrote: > was off surfing today.. this site.. they have wall tents.. > check their hot deals section. > www.reliabletent.com > for those who are not purists.. they have am aluminum frame that one can > slip a wall tent over. Interesting idea anyway. > > panther primitives - has 'used' tents from time to time for sale. here is > their phone 1-800-487-2684 > lady told me that they have a new catalog coming out and that I can plan on > about a 20% increase in prices. > > here is a website.. while it is NOT geared to this list.. it is an > interesting site about tents and pavilions and shelter for all time > periods... this lady is on a list that is geared to sca type tenting, she > mentioned that she has plans to eventually include > post sca era tenting in the future. > lots of information that can be gleaned from it. > not to mention data that will back up how far back some types of tents go. > this is the site index... lots of stuff here.. lots... don't let the title > put you off. > I was given this site a few yrs back by another black powder person. > http://www.teleport.com/~tguptill/index.htm > > I do have to say this... one of my bitches with the ronny set is that a lot > think that the only type tents 'period' are white canvas.. mmmmmm, got a > pic at my mom's painted in the early 1700's, shows a striped tent at a > family gathering in south carolina. They still would not let me > bring my striped pavilion into site, made me put it in modern tenting. Same > thing that year with the guy who had a period brown canvas tent.. he had > done the research for Spanish Florida of the late 1700's... they used > brown tents.. no go.. they were soooooo anal, that I have yet to attend > another Alafia. That was in 1998. > > I am planing on the Eastern Primitive at the end of September though. It is > an easy drive from where I live in Pittsburgh.. > > btw, Lanny? you seen mike rock lately? He seems to have dropped of the face > of the flat earth again.. sigh...... > 'bella > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:53:44 EDT From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tents In a message dated 4/21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, chrissega1@yahoo.com writes: << ----( stuff deleted )----- Another form of shelter that we don't use today in large encampments is shelter made of local materials such as brush bowers, lean tos of branches and limbs etc. ----( stuff deleted )----- >> I might point out that the impracticallity of this has led to the acceptance of the Whelan style tent as it was based on this type of shelter. Longshot ******************************************************** "Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage" (Newly Redesigned) http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html ******************************************************** - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 02:37:14 -0400 From: "'bella" Subject: MtMan-List: Rondevous You are closer to the Eastern Primitive in Jax.. http://www.nrlhf.org/epr2001/ I am in Pittsburgh.. for me it is drive south on I-79 to Clarksburg w.v and then go west on I-50 a ways... From Jax, you are looking at a 15 hr drive I think. I make Tampa to pennsic.. which is an hour north of pgh in 20 hrs.. 'bella > When is The Western and which one. I have been stranded here in Fla. for a while > and have not kept up with the where abouts on encampments. The Doctors and my > job my let me loose for a few weeks to get of of town and would like to go back > to a Western. > > Linda Holley > > "Ole B. Jensen" wrote: > > > Larry, > > If you can get away with it, go for it. Show and Tell Rendezvous are what > > they are. Will I be looking at youre smiling face at the Western? This is > > one camp I wouldn't miss, the chance will only happen once. > > YMOS > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 02:39:51 -0400 From: "'bella" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent what makes you think a marquee what NOT in use prior to the fur trade era? what sort of documentation and how much do you want.. ::grins:: round or rectangle? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kramer" To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent Somebody asked for a conclusion: At one time Whelen leantos were common. Most camps back when (early '70's) were tipis, Whelens, a few Bakers, and fewer still wall tents. I didn't see the first Marquee at a doin's until the late '70's or early '80's. Tents at rendezvous are enough of an anomaly without including tents out of their historic time, not to mention place. At public gatherings where folks want a private place to get naked it seems only reasonable that the tents should have at least some relevance as to time period. The documentation just doesn't exist for a miners (pyramid) tent, as it doesn't for a leanpee, or a Whelen, or any one of a few dozen other designs to have been in use prior to 1840. If one wants a single center pole design either the pavillion style or a simple conical tent should suffice nicely. Given the quality of Miller's details either could be what some want to see as a pyramid. Both were at least known before 1840 though it is still questionable if they made it to rendezvous; the conical is probably more likely than the pavillion. A fur company might have had a wall tent or one of the many variations thereof. At best a trapper might have had a tarp. An adventurer might have carried a wedge or conical. Only someone with a native born wife would have a tipi. In essence the pyramid is no more correct for rendezvous than a Whelen, Forester or Baker tent. There are a great many styles available depending on the size needed. It seems silly to choose one with no pre-1840 historic precedent. Any other interpretation, in the face of a lack of relevant evidence, is only wishful thinking. If you are portraying a 49er miner; the pyramid is perfect. John... John T. Kramer, maker of: Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< >>>As good as old!<<< mail to: - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:07:08 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rondevous I am closer, but cannot get the time off to go. Will be going to the Plains Seminar in Great Falls. http://www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com/seminar_on_native_american_mater.htm When I retire, when I retire, when I retire.......I hope to do everything............if still alive. Teaching is hell. Linda Holley - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 05:23:49 -0500 From: trapper@cillnet.com (Brad Everett) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rondevous Yea so is getting up this early! Trapper, Trek'n through time, backwards! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Holley To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 5:07 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rondevous > I am closer, but cannot get the time off to go. Will be going to the Plains > Seminar in Great Falls. > http://www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com/seminar_on_native_american_mater.htm > > When I retire, when I retire, when I retire.......I hope to do > everything............if still alive. > Teaching is hell. > > > Linda Holley > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #792 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.