From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #818 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, June 18 2001 Volume 01 : Number 818 In this issue: - MtMan-List: Tin - RE: MtMan-List: Tin - Re: MtMan-List: Tin - Re: MtMan-List: Period Shovels - Re: MtMan-List: Period Shovels - Re: MtMan-List: tribute - MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can - Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. - Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. - Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. - Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can - Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 08:12:24 -0600 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Tin Found a reasonably priced 9 quart tin bucket, straight up sides with a lid. Looks pretty close for period correct to me. Will I use something that big? Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 9:53:19 -0700 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Tin - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Wynn, Get it...then you can cook for everyone?..... make sure it's food safe though... hardtack - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gretchen Ormond To: Hist mail Sent: 6/17/01 7:12:24 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Tin Found a reasonably priced 9 quart tin bucket, straight up sides with a lid. Looks pretty close for period correct to me. Will I use something that big? Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- - --- Randal Bublitz - --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Wynn, Get it...then you can cook for everyone?..... make sure it's food safe though... hardtack

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From: Gretchen Ormond

To: Hist mail

Sent: 6/17/01 7:12:24 AM

Subject: MtMan-List: Tin

Found a reasonably priced 9 quart tin bucket, straight up sides with a

lid. Looks pretty close for period correct to me. Will I use something

that big?

Wynn Ormond

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- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:10:55 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tin Wynn wrote: Found a reasonably priced 9 quart tin bucket, straight up sides with a lid. Looks pretty close for period correct to me. Will I use something that big? Wynn, I could find many uses for such a bucket. A water reservoir comes to mind. In camps where water is un-handy, having nearly two gallons in camp will save lots of trips to the spring. And if your fire escapes from its pit having that much water handy can make the difference between a humorous story and a catastrophe. I had a fair portion of a camp burn up before I could beat it out with a copy of Neihardt's "The Mountain Men". I still have the book, soot stains and all. I also keep a bucket of water hard by the fire pit. my $0.02 Lanney Ratcliff ps: "The Mountain Men" is three epic poems: "The Song of Three Friends", The Song of Hugh Glass" and "The Song of Jed Smith" They make magnificent reading. If you think you don't appreciate poetry you should give this verse from "The Song of Jed Smith" a try: The scene is a fire with men gathered 'round, not unlike many we all remember. The failing flare Across the elder's grizzling beard and hair, Revealed the mien of one whom many snows Would leave green-hearted. "No, I didn't doze," He said; "and I was thinking nothing more Than what to do about that saddle sore The old mare's got; and it was only now, All still and empty. Suddenly, somehow, I tell you, it was eighteen twenty-five! This valley came alive with fires, alive With men and horses! Rings on glowing rings Of old-time faces sang as liquor sings After a drought; and laughter shook the night Where someone, full of meat and getting tight, Spun lies the way Black Harris used to do. Then it was now again, and only you Were sitting yonder." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:16:02 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Shovels In a message dated 6/15/1 8:59:45 PM, troberts@gdi.net writes: < Picks, iron bars, etc., likely much more effective. >> Your recollections are sound. I've lived here well over sixty years and can say with authority the Rockies are well named. Now try digging in this stuff with a hatchet shaped shovel of pine or cottonwood - the only two options - it is beyond practical or even possible. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:10:47 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Shovels The only thing most forget to mention is the location of where old, historical caches were dug, in bottoms. The "Caches" and there were two or three location called this, were where you could dig a hole (large enough to have a man in side of it) were in the bottoms of river drainages and old beaver ponds. Yes, low lands. Here in the Rockies, you can find drainages and even level land which can give you up to six feet of digable soil. This is also why so many of the caches were spoiled when they returned to open them up. Check out some of the descriptions of how they made them and the materials and goods stored in them. They were set up off the bottom to allow some moisture to get in. I would agree that alot of the land you see in the west would not be the best place to cache things (unless you did it in a tree), but even Miller's painting of a cache being made is next toa river.("Wind Scenery", (making a cache), page 112, The West of Alfred Jacab Miller). and the notes which go along with it, describe a river valley and some simple notes of how they did it. Hiram Chittenden tells of the most common places named the "Caches" and where they are found, again mostly bottom land, some in the side of banks of rivers.(Volume one, pages 41, 502 and 536). Don't be fooled. Good spots were probably looked for and remembered when found. It wasn't too long ago that one of our party members (Jim Linn) found a old buffalo leg bone about five feet down the side of a drainage, near Kiowa, Colorado. mike. SWzypher@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/15/1 8:59:45 PM, troberts@gdi.net writes: > > < recall that there ain't too much Rocky Mountain > terrain readily dug with a shovel. Picks, iron > bars, etc., likely much more effective. > >> > > Your recollections are sound. I've lived here well over sixty years and can > say with authority the Rockies are well named. Now try digging in this stuff > with a hatchet shaped shovel of pine or cottonwood - the only two options - > it is beyond practical or even possible. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:28:22 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tribute - --------------E2F00675E16BE1CF3FC6413A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charlie, It was good to see you name again. I enjoyed our last visit and will be more than glad to do your request. I held off in replying till I recieved some info from Terry's wife, Vannette. In case some would like to do the same in the future, I'll quote her directions. "Terry is buried at Yellowsone Valley Memorial Gardens, which is on Grand Ave. and near 36th st. If you go west on Grand past the Albertson's at Reherg the cemetery will be on your right. If you get to Shiloh Rd you went too far. This cemetery is only two years old, so there are very few graves there. When you pull in the drive turn to the left and Terry's grave is at the back of the circle drive you will come to. There is no headstone yet since it will be a couple months before it is finished, but there is a small name plate surrounded by flowers". Take care, Charlie. I'll let you know more when I return from the trip. mike. Charlie Webb wrote: > Mike,If you are able to visit Terry's grave would you do a tobacco or > pipetribute for me also? I already miss his letters and the chatting > on thephone. Please mention, Mother Earth, Father Sun, and our > FourGrandfathers, I know he will get the message. Mike I'll square > withyou later for any inconvenience or out of pocket costs. To > Terry, I was "Cherokee Charlie" rather than the "Old Coyote"Doreen of > course was "Rainfeather".Thank you Mike, I would appreciate greatly if > this was in your power.Charlie Been rereading Terry Johnston's > books in tribute to him. Like > many of you, he helped ignite the spark in me to learn about the > fur trade. Was wondering Hardtack- will we be close to where > he is buried at? If so, might be nice to swing by and leave trinket > at his resting place. Any thoughts? > mike. > > > - --------------E2F00675E16BE1CF3FC6413A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charlie,
    It was good to see you name again. I enjoyed our last visit and will
be more than glad to do your request. I held off in replying till I recieved
some info from Terry's wife, Vannette. In case some would like to do the same
in the future, I'll quote her directions.
    "Terry is buried at Yellowsone Valley Memorial Gardens, which is on Grand
Ave. and near 36th st. If you go west on Grand past the Albertson's at Reherg
the cemetery will be on your right. If you get to Shiloh Rd you went too far. This
cemetery is only two years old, so there are very few graves there. When you
pull in the drive turn to the left and Terry's grave is at the back of the circle drive
you will come to. There is no headstone yet since it will be a couple months before
it is finished, but there is a small name plate surrounded by flowers".
    Take care, Charlie. I'll let you know more when I return from the trip.
                                mike.

Charlie Webb wrote:

Mike,If you are able to visit Terry's grave would you do a tobacco or pipetribute for me also? I already miss his letters and the chatting on thephone. Please mention, Mother Earth, Father Sun, and our FourGrandfathers, I know he will get the message. Mike I'll square withyou later for any inconvenience or out of pocket costs. To Terry, I was "Cherokee Charlie" rather than the "Old Coyote"Doreen of course was "Rainfeather".Thank you Mike, I would appreciate greatly if this was in your power.Charlie Been rereading Terry Johnston's books in tribute to him. Like
many of you, he helped ignite the spark in me to learn about the
fur trade. Was wondering Hardtack- will we be close to where
he is buried at? If so, might be nice to swing by and leave trinket
at his resting place. Any thoughts?
mike.

- --------------E2F00675E16BE1CF3FC6413A-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:43:09 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can I can get a tin lard can or two...the kind with the thin wire bail. Does anyone know if this style is one that has been around that long...back in the 1830's that is. It would make a handy bucket/cook pot if it would pass PC muster and not cost an arm and leg to boot!!! - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:05:59 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0F779.B0DDC000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Cliff, This time your location is at the other end of Montana in North Dakota = north of the Missouri. Did not hear a word about Larpenteur and Simon. = Wonder if Simon came up river on a steam boat as did race horses which = was part of the conversation with Barry McPherson of Winnipeg about the = Rocky Mountaian Fur Trade while at the 19th Fort Union Trading Post = gathering. Walt ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chance Tiffie=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 1:46 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. Walt, I won't argue the location of Clark to the Yellowstone, I just might = be wrong. I hope you enjoy your trip to Ft. Union, and enjoy finding = out that Charles Larpenteur rode a mule named Simon. Crazy, I believe mule meat would be to rich for ya', and you would = kill over from the squattin' trots.... Cliff - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0F779.B0DDC000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Cliff,

This time your location is at the other = end of=20 Montana in North Dakota north of the Missouri. Did not hear a word = about=20 Larpenteur and Simon. Wonder if Simon came up river on a steam = boat as did=20 race horses which was part of the conversation with Barry McPherson of = Winnipeg=20 about the Rocky Mountaian Fur Trade while at the 19th Fort Union = Trading=20 Post gathering.

Walt

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Chance=20 Tiffie

To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 = 1:46=20 AM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules = north of=20 the yellowstone.

Walt,

I won't argue the location of Clark to the Yellowstone, I just = might be=20 wrong. I hope you enjoy your trip to Ft. Union, and enjoy = finding out=20 that Charles Larpenteur rode a mule named Simon.

Crazy,

I believe mule meat = would be=20 to rich for ya', and you would kill over from the squattin'=20 trots....<BG>

Cliff

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---------------------- hist_text list info:=20 = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0F779.B0DDC000-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:39:01 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C0F77E.4DDC5840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Clay, I assume you are addressing me in your statement below. I just returned = from Ft Union where I accomplished my primary trade the first hour of = the first day. Giving me plenty of time to ask my questions about mules = and cast iron cook ware. By the way my first statement about this = subject focused on Mules North of the Yellowstone and South of the = Missouri. You are talking about west of the Missouri. Not south of it. = The Piegans' are not the falls Indians that sought out American = trappers from the time Coulter and particularly from 1825 - 1840. My = wife is mixed blood with Piegan in her. They were west and north for = the most part. Not south of the Missouri. On my way home from Ft. = Union I turned up the Tongue near Moorhead, MT. Is that the same = Moorhead, Montana where you live? If so can you tell me what has = happened to the game? I saw a few goats all the way to Ashland. A = trapping party would have been on short red meat rations moving through = what was previously supper rich beaver country along the Toungue River = bottom. Over the south hill on Pryor Creek the Crows trapped out a few = miles of the upper portion. They took out 1300 beaver. The Rose Bud = between Lame Deer and Busby must have been equally as rich a trapping = stream. As for mules. I thought the trappers moved before sun up in = the morning and rode until it started to get hot. Then camped through = the hot part of the day. Then moved on again a ways. Ate and moved on = again after dark to a safe sleeping spot. What mountains do you like to = take horse errr... mule trips that the trappers were on? Is your outfit = based on the 1825 - 1840 rendezvous period? Be helpful to know. Nice = rain here in Park City, Montana. Walt ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clay J. Landry=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:32 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. If you do not have John Ewers book entitled "The Horse in Blackfoot = Indian Culture" you should get a hold of a copy. Like all of Ewers' = works it is well researched and full of interesting information. Anyone = interested in the use (I would guess that means by both Anglos and = Indians) and availability of mules north of the Yellowstone River in the = early nineteenth century I would refer you to page 341 of this book. = This page starts the "Appendix"=20 "Use of Mules". Just a few of the quotes from this appendix---=20 "David Thompson wrote of a Piegan raid on a Spanish party far to the = southward, which may have occurred as early as 1787, in which these = Indians captured many mules as well as horses". "He also describes = another raid by the Piegan on the Shoshoni in 1787, during which the = raiders took horses and 15 mules".=20 In another chapter of the book Ewers gives information about how mules = were prized by the Blackfoot because they could carry more weight than a = horse. My personal preference for mountain trips is of course a Mule and has = been so for many years. The Book of Buckskinng 7 contains several = photos of myself and my all time favorite matched pair -"Peaches and = Cream". Peaches rode like dream an Cream could haul more than any two = horses-not to mention the fact that they were just getting warm and = loose when the horses traveling us were ready to call it a day!! Clay Landry Moorhead MT ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chance Tiffie=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 1:19 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. Clark wrote "...one man met me with a mule and spanish saddle to ride, I gave = him a westcoat a mule is considered of great value among these = people..." August 19th 1805 I belive this would be a tad north of the yellowstone, and some what = early. Cliff - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C0F77E.4DDC5840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Clay,

I assume you are addressing me in your = statement=20 below. I just returned from Ft Union where I accomplished my = primary trade=20 the first hour of the first day. Giving me plenty of time to ask = my=20 questions about mules and cast iron cook ware. By the way my first = statement about this subject focused on Mules North of the = Yellowstone and=20 South of the Missouri. You are talking about west of the = Missouri. =20 Not south of it. The Piegans' are not the falls Indians that = sought out=20 American trappers from the time Coulter and particularly from 1825 - = 1840. =20 My wife is mixed blood with Piegan in her. They were west and = north for=20 the most part. Not south of the Missouri. On my way home = from Ft.=20 Union I turned up the Tongue near Moorhead, MT. Is that the same = Moorhead,=20 Montana where you live? If so can you tell me what has happened to = the=20 game? I saw a few goats all the way to Ashland. A trapping = party=20 would have been on short red meat rations moving through what was = previously=20 supper rich beaver country along the Toungue River bottom. Over = the south=20 hill on Pryor Creek the Crows trapped out a few miles of the upper=20 portion. They took out 1300 beaver. The Rose Bud between = Lame Deer=20 and Busby must have been equally as rich a trapping stream. As for = mules. I thought the trappers moved before sun up in the morning = and rode=20 until it started to get hot. Then camped through the hot part of = the=20 day. Then moved on again a ways. Ate and moved on again = after dark=20 to a safe sleeping spot. What mountains do you like to take horse = errr...=20 mule trips that the trappers were on? Is your outfit based on the = 1825 -=20 1840 rendezvous period? Be helpful to know. Nice rain here = in Park=20 City, Montana.

Walt

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clay J. = Landry
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 = 10:32=20 PM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules = north of=20 the yellowstone.

If you do not have John Ewers book entitled = "The Horse=20 in Blackfoot Indian Culture" you should get a hold of a copy. Like all = of=20 Ewers' works it is well researched and full of interesting = information. Anyone=20 interested in the use (I would guess that means by both Anglos and = Indians)=20 and availability of mules north of the Yellowstone River in the early=20 nineteenth century I would refer you to page 341 of this book. This = page=20 starts the "Appendix"

"Use of Mules". Just a few of the quotes from = this=20 appendix---

"David Thompson wrote of a Piegan raid on a = Spanish=20 party far to the southward, which may have occurred as early as 1787, = in which=20 these Indians captured many mules as well as horses". "He also = describes=20 another raid by the Piegan on the Shoshoni in 1787, during which the = raiders=20 took horses and 15 mules".

In another chapter of the book Ewers gives = information=20 about how mules were prized by the Blackfoot because they could carry = more=20 weight than a horse.

My personal preference for mountain trips is = of course a=20 Mule and has been so for many years. The Book of Buckskinng 7 = contains=20 several photos of myself and my all time favorite matched pair = - -"Peaches and=20 Cream".

Peaches rode like dream an Cream could haul = more than=20 any two horses-not to mention the fact that they were just getting = warm and=20 loose when the horses traveling us were ready to call it a = day!!

Clay Landry
Moorhead MT

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chance=20 Tiffie
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 = 1:19=20 AM

Subject: MtMan-List: Mules = north of the=20 yellowstone.

Clark wrote

"...one man met me with a mule and spanish saddle to ride, I = gave him a=20 westcoat a mule is considered of great value among these people..." = August=20 19th 1805

I belive this would be a tad north of the yellowstone, and some = what=20 early.

Cliff

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- ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C0F77E.4DDC5840-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:49:59 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C0F77F.D664A040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crazy, you are far west of the Yellowstone. The Shoshone have not = called any of the land north of the Yellowstone home since the Crows = settled here about 500 years ago. Certainly not durning the time of the = Americans in the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade. The Lemhi Band did range up = to the Sun River until the Blackfeet drove them south. The Crows traded = with all those tribes you mention. Nothing you have said has anything = to do with mules North of the Yellowstone and South of the Missouri as = of yet. Walt Walt=20 I was just giving Cliff and Wynn a hard time about mules. But no means = am I=20 in agreement with you. About Mules not being north of the Yellowstone. = The=20 Yellowstone country was part of the lands where the Shoshoni called = home. On=20 August 14th Lewis is in the Camp of the Lemhi Shoshoni on the Lemhi = River=20 around present day Salmon Idaho. On the Aug. 19th they are on the = Forks of=20 the Jefferson making preparations to go over Lemhi pass back to the = Lemhi=20 village. The Lemhi tribe traded with the Flat Head and Nez Perce who's = home=20 lands are a bit north of the Yellowstone country.=20 It appears the Nez Perce had Mules too. Lewis August 20th He is = talking to a=20 Nez Perce man living with the Lemhi who said that he's tribe Traded = for=20 horses, mules cloth, metal, beads and shells.=20 Walt =20 See ya on the trail=20 Crazy Cyot=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C0F77F.D664A040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Crazy, you are far west of the = Yellowstone. =20 The Shoshone have not called any of the land north of the Yellowstone = home since=20 the Crows settled here about 500 years ago. Certainly not durning = the time=20 of the Americans in the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade. The Lemhi Band did = range up to=20 the Sun River until the Blackfeet drove them south. The Crows = traded with=20 all those tribes you mention. Nothing you have said has anything = to do=20 with mules North of the Yellowstone and South of the Missouri as of=20 yet.

Walt

Walt
I was just giving Cliff = and Wynn a=20 hard time about mules. But no means am I
in agreement with you. = About=20 Mules not being north of the Yellowstone. The
Yellowstone country = was part=20 of the lands where the Shoshoni called home. On
August 14th Lewis = is in=20 the Camp of the Lemhi Shoshoni on the Lemhi River
around present = day=20 Salmon Idaho. On the Aug. 19th they are on the Forks of
the = Jefferson=20 making preparations to go over Lemhi pass back to the Lemhi =
village. The=20 Lemhi tribe traded with the Flat Head and Nez Perce who's home =
lands are a=20 bit north of the Yellowstone country.
It appears the Nez Perce had = Mules=20 too. Lewis August 20th He is talking to a
Nez Perce man living = with the=20 Lemhi who said that he's tribe Traded for
horses, mules cloth, = metal,=20 beads and shells.
Walt
See ya on the trail =
Crazy=20 Cyot - ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C0F77F.D664A040-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 07:20:48 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can Folks, At our local farm store (Intermountain Farmers Coop) they sometimes sell English tin Milk buckets and also Cream buckets with lids. The cream bucket is smaller and would make a good large boiler. I use my milk bucket to haul water into camp. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: HikingOnThru@cs.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can >Date: Sun, Jun 17, 2001, 8:43 PM > >I can get a tin lard can or two...the kind with the thin wire bail. Does >anyone know if this style is one that has been around that long...back in the >1830's that is. It would make a handy bucket/cook pot if it would pass PC >muster and not cost an arm and leg to boot!!! >-C.Kent > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:59:05 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can C. Kent, If it is the shape I think your talking about, (slightly bigger at the rim than at the bottom, the shape is close enough. I can't think of any one who would object to it in the camps I go to but then I have never tried to get into a "juried" event back east. Remember that general shape can still leave something "not quit right". Your long rifle is the "general shape" of a Russian Mosin Nagant rifle from WW1 but that don't make the Nagant acceptable. Maybe a bad example but you know what I mean. Use the lard bucket until you can find something better. Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Was Tin Now Lard Can > I can get a tin lard can or two...the kind with the thin wire bail. Does > anyone know if this style is one that has been around that long...back in the > 1830's that is. It would make a handy bucket/cook pot if it would pass PC > muster and not cost an arm and leg to boot!!! > -C.Kent > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #818 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.