From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #822 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, June 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 822 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation -       Re: MtMan-List: correct headwear new post -       MtMan-List: unsubscribe -       RE: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation -       Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation -       Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation -       Re: MtMan-List: AMM National -       RE: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation -       Re: MtMan-List: need infor about baynton,wharton and morgan -       Re: MtMan-List: E.P.R. -       Re: MtMan-List: Newby here...question please -       Re: MtMan-List: Newby here...question please -       Re: MtMan-List: Newby here...question please -       Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation -       Re: MtMan-List: need infor about baynton,wharton and morgan -       Re: MtMan-List: AMM National -       Re: MtMan-List: need infor about baynton,wharton and morgan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:58:48 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation In a message dated 6/25/01 6:33:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LivingInThePast@aol.com writes: << c, but am looking for other ideas as well. >> If you can show then how dough was mixed "in the sack" by making a well, adding liquid and stirring with a stick tilla doguhball formed, then let them make "bannock" bread by twisting it over the end of a smooth green 1 inch limb and holding over coals, they will get a thrill out of that! Have squeeze butter and jelly on hand to fill it with!! Any questions, get with me offline. - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:09:52 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: correct headwear new post In a message dated 6/26/01 6:27:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, WSmith4100@aol.com writes: << I've heard or read somewhere that silk was also used. >> check the trade manifests. Silk cloth (if not bandanas) was listed on several I have seen. Anyone seen any authentic drawings or documentation of this stuff? A lot of the guys who portray even earlier periods...longhunter, farmer, militia from the F&I use linsey-woolsey or osnaburg bandanas. Be interested to know y'alls thoughts on this. - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:28:13 -0700 From: "Dana Parker" Subject: MtMan-List: unsubscribe This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0FE97.AB6AE4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are just too many emaios. They are clogging my mail box. I need = to unsubscribe from this format. If you have a weekly newsletter, I = would like to receive it. - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0FE97.AB6AE4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0FE97.AB6AE4C0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:41:19 -0700 From: Pat Quilter Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation I think it's all been in the T&LR. All I've got from the Moc Mail is a brief extract from Crazy's "Some One has to Get the Wood" notice from Jan 01. " The place will be on West Dry Creek, thirty-six miles east and a little north of Dubois, Idaho. Elevation is around 6700 ft." I'll have to dig up my own TLR. Let me know tomorrow if you don't find the T&LR. Pat - -----Original Message----- From: Larry Huber [mailto:shootsprairie@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 7:17 PM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation Pat, Help me out. I'm leaving Thursday for the Nationals and I can' t find the directions to the doin's...I've lost the Mocassin Mail! Can I get you to Email me those directions? Or anyone else out there? Much appreciated. Larry Huber - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Quilter" To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 6:05 PM Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation > Cordage (hand twisted, or using the simple cranked machine if available), > and a selection of furs if available, always go over well with that age > group. > Pat Quilter > > -----Original Message----- > From: LivingInThePast@aol.com [mailto:LivingInThePast@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:33 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation > > > I have the opportunity to do a living history presentation during a week > long > YMCA camp in the San Bernardino Mountains. The groups will be about 10 > campers each, twice a day, for an hour or so, and the campers are in the > 8-11 > age range. > > I have slated some Dutch Oven Cooking, flint and steel fire-starting, hands > on display of primitive tools and weapons i.e. traps, flint knives, > flintlocks, sundial, etc, but am looking for other ideas as well. > > Any suggestions? Thanks, Barney > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 04:35:23 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation In a message dated 6/26/01 8:59:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, HikingOnThru@cs.com writes: << let them make "bannock" bread >> Thanks Compadre', another GREAT idea for the cooking theme the camp directors want me to lead with... Much appreciated. Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:20:16 -0700 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation Pat, Thank you. I found my T&LR and, sure enough, there it was, directions and all. I'm all set to go, just short of cash. $200 just for gas!!! Larry Huber - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Quilter" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation > I think it's all been in the T&LR. All I've got from the Moc Mail is a brief > extract from Crazy's "Some One has to Get the Wood" notice from Jan 01. > " The place will be on West Dry Creek, thirty-six miles east and a little > north of Dubois, Idaho. Elevation is around 6700 ft." > I'll have to dig up my own TLR. > Let me know tomorrow if you don't find the T&LR. > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Huber [mailto:shootsprairie@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 7:17 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation > > > Pat, > Help me out. I'm leaving Thursday for the Nationals and I can' t find the > directions to the doin's...I've lost the Mocassin Mail! Can I get you to > Email me those directions? Or anyone else out there? > Much appreciated. > Larry Huber > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Quilter" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 6:05 PM > Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation > > > > Cordage (hand twisted, or using the simple cranked machine if available), > > and a selection of furs if available, always go over well with that age > > group. > > Pat Quilter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LivingInThePast@aol.com [mailto:LivingInThePast@aol.com] > > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:33 PM > > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation > > > > > > I have the opportunity to do a living history presentation during a week > > long > > YMCA camp in the San Bernardino Mountains. The groups will be about 10 > > campers each, twice a day, for an hour or so, and the campers are in the > > 8-11 > > age range. > > > > I have slated some Dutch Oven Cooking, flint and steel fire-starting, > hands > > on display of primitive tools and weapons i.e. traps, flint knives, > > flintlocks, sundial, etc, but am looking for other ideas as well. > > > > Any suggestions? Thanks, Barney > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:32:11 -0700 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM National Allen, Is Fort Hall open on Fridays? I'll be passing through there on the way to the Nationals. Kinda like to stop in. Nice place? Larry Huber - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Hall" To: Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM National > At 08:50 PM 06/23/2001 EDT, you wrote: > >Going to Idaho Got any sugestions for must see places between there and > >Colorado. > >I got a few in mind Henry's 1910 camp and 1911 fort, Fort Hall, Fort Bridger,& > > Pine Dale Museum Of the Mountain Man. May be just good places to stop and > >think. > >Thanks Roadkill > > When you head west from Pinedale, you'll overlook the site of several of the > Green River rendezvous. There's an overlook point there. A bit further > down the road you take about a 3 mile cut off to Bonneville's fort site. > Worth the short hop for a historical spot and site of one of the original > rendezvous. From there go west down the Hoback, you'll go through Jackson's > Little Hole, and when you reach the Snake River, turn north and go to > Jackson's big hole and visit. Then head over the Teton Pass that every > mountain man who travelled this bit of the country went over, and you'll > drop into Pierre's Hole, now known as the Teton Valley. There's some > dispute about where the Battle of Pierre's Hole took place, but following > Ferris and Wyeth's description, it's just west of Victor in Pierre's Hole. > > From there go north to Driggs and continue on. Just past Tetonia, there a > "senic byway" that that and you'll go right past Camp Henry on Conant > Creek. Our party has "diggin rights" to a nice patch of camas just north of > there. This cut off will drop you off in Ashton, ID. Turn right there and > go to Island Park and the Yale-Kilgore highway will get you the rest of the > way to the doin's. > > Enjoy the trip, you're going through mountain man country the whole way, WAUGH! > > Allen > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:12:59 -0700 From: Pat Quilter Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation When I drove to the Property, gas was running $1.50-$1.75 once you got out of California. But $200 is probably a reasonable allowance. - -----Original Message----- From: Larry Huber [mailto:shootsprairie@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 8:20 AM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation Pat, Thank you. I found my T&LR and, sure enough, there it was, directions and all. I'm all set to go, just short of cash. $200 just for gas!!! Larry Huber - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Quilter" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation > I think it's all been in the T&LR. All I've got from the Moc Mail is a brief > extract from Crazy's "Some One has to Get the Wood" notice from Jan 01. > " The place will be on West Dry Creek, thirty-six miles east and a little > north of Dubois, Idaho. Elevation is around 6700 ft." > I'll have to dig up my own TLR. > Let me know tomorrow if you don't find the T&LR. > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Huber [mailto:shootsprairie@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 7:17 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation > > > Pat, > Help me out. I'm leaving Thursday for the Nationals and I can' t find the > directions to the doin's...I've lost the Mocassin Mail! Can I get you to > Email me those directions? Or anyone else out there? > Much appreciated. > Larry Huber > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Quilter" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 6:05 PM > Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation > > > > Cordage (hand twisted, or using the simple cranked machine if available), > > and a selection of furs if available, always go over well with that age > > group. > > Pat Quilter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LivingInThePast@aol.com [mailto:LivingInThePast@aol.com] > > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:33 PM > > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation > > > > > > I have the opportunity to do a living history presentation during a week > > long > > YMCA camp in the San Bernardino Mountains. The groups will be about 10 > > campers each, twice a day, for an hour or so, and the campers are in the > > 8-11 > > age range. > > > > I have slated some Dutch Oven Cooking, flint and steel fire-starting, > hands > > on display of primitive tools and weapons i.e. traps, flint knives, > > flintlocks, sundial, etc, but am looking for other ideas as well. > > > > Any suggestions? Thanks, Barney > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:37:06 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need infor about baynton,wharton and morgan > does anyone know of a website on baynton,wharton and morgan.Looking for > infor on what morgan may have carried in his store a kaskaskia. I have the "Kaskaskia Records, 1778-1790" and also Alvord's "Illinois Country, 1673-1818" I recall the company being mentioned in the latter, but haven't finished reading either yet. Will do an index check and see what I can come up with. From the "Illinois Country" "The enterprise of Baynton, Wharton, and Morgan should not be estimated as a small trading venture, for it was one of the notable commercial undertakings of 18th century America. The partners soon had one hundred and fifty thousand dollars tied up in their Illinois project. "Some idea of the elaborateness of the preparation may be obtained from a confidential letter to one of the agents in Sept., 1766, and from correspondence with their partner, George Morgan. In the year 1766, they sent down the Ohio four convoys to Kaskaskia. For the fall expedition they forwarded to Pittsburg a large number of wagons and six hundred pack horses laden with merchandise. At Pittsburgh they maintained a force of carpenters and sawyers to build their boats, sixty five of which were ordered for November. According to a later estimate---the building of a boat cost 55 pounds, Pennsylvania currency; this was a dead loss since it cost more than the boat was worth to bring it back. The crew of such a boat consisted of 5 men, whose wages at four pounds per month for four months amounted to eighty pounds and provisions with rum to over fifty more. The whole expense of sending a boat to Kaskaskia, reckoned in pounds Sterling, was 115 pounds, 18 shillings, and 9 pence. The firm maintained over 300 boatmen on the Ohio at one time. Usually the convoys floated down the Ohio in early spring at the time of high water, but the company sometimes found it necessary to send them at other seasons. The merchandise carried to the Illinois included all manner of dry goods and clothing, shoes being in particular demand, household utensils for both kitchen and living room, musical instruments, wines, and rum --at one time the firm had 8000 gallons in their store -- guns and munitions, hair trinkets, brooches, earrings, crosses, brass piping, and wire; for the Indians, medals tomahawks, silver arm and wrist bands, half-moon gorgets, nose crosses, vermilion, and wampum." Need anything else? There's a whole chapter on them, but most has to do with Morgan. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:53:15 EDT From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: E.P.R. - --part1_c0.165004da.286b859b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/25/01 9:24:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sardog1@att.net writes: > anyone going to the eastern primitive in Sept? > My wife and I will be there (we hope) for the first weekend only. For those that did not go two years ago when they first used this site IT IS A BEAUTIFUL place. Camp layout was and will be excellent with water, wood, port a johns conveniently located together at regular intervals. And the camp layout is real nice for strooling and visiting. We will be camped at the head of the road leading to the "Asylum" which puts us close to the music all night long, which we love. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes - --part1_c0.165004da.286b859b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/25/01 9:24:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sardog1@att.net
writes:


anyone going to the eastern primitive in Sept?


My wife and I will be there (we hope) for the first weekend only.  For those
that did not go two years ago when they first used this site IT IS A
BEAUTIFUL place.  Camp layout was and will be excellent with water, wood,
port a johns conveniently located together at regular intervals.  And the
camp layout is real nice for strooling and visiting.  

We will be camped at the head of the road leading to the "Asylum" which puts
us close to the music all night long, which we love.

Y.M.O.S.

C.T. Oakes - --part1_c0.165004da.286b859b_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:38:40 EDT From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Newby here...question please - --part1_c.17b734a7.286b9040_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/25/01 9:38:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cd252@ptd.net writes: > ... are there any "primitive" events here in the East? I live > in Northeastern Pennsylvania. > > Regards to all, > Big Dave > > That all depends on how far you are willing to drive for your fun. We just got back from a gathering of 1100 French and Indian War re-enactors up at Ft. Ticondaroga and that was a 6.5 hour drive for us but well worth it. The battles on Saturday and Sunday were great. So if you are willing to drive a little you could be at a pre 1840 event of some type almost every weekend. You really should subscribe to Smoke & Fire News for a comprehensive listing of events, only $18 for 12 issues, send to PO Box 166, Grand Rapids, Oh 43522. July 27-29 there is a Black Powder Shoot with Primative camp (and a modern area) at the Land of the Senecas just east of Watkins Glen NY. Aug 16-19th there is a Black Powder Shoot with Privative camp (and a modern area) at Whispering Pines which if memory serves is off of Route 15 by Arnot PA (N.E. Penn). Sept 8-15th, is the 6th Great North American Rendezvous, Ft. Loundon State Park (S.E. Penn), http//www.geocites.com/gnarnra/index.html Or phone Sam Mumma at 302-674-0977, E-mail scmummavi@juno.com 500 or so participants. Sept 21-30 is the NMLRA Eastern Primative Rendezvous in Doddridge County WV. Just south of Pittsburg. Largest rendezvous in North America with over 3,500 attending. Write for info to NRLHF, PO Box 100, Auburn, WV 26326 You should also plan on attending the Market Fair at Ft. Frederick Maryland next spring. Anything you need for your persona can be purchased at that event. It is held the last weekend of April and my wife and I will not miss it. See you around the campfire. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes - --part1_c.17b734a7.286b9040_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/25/01 9:38:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cd252@ptd.net
writes:

... are there any "primitive" events here in the East? I live
in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

Regards to all,
Big Dave



That all depends on how far you are willing to drive for your fun.  We just
got back from a gathering of 1100 French and Indian War re-enactors up at Ft.
Ticondaroga and that was a 6.5 hour drive for us but well worth it.  The
battles on Saturday and Sunday were great.  So if you are willing to drive a
little you could be at a pre 1840 event of some type almost every weekend.  
You really should subscribe to Smoke & Fire News for a comprehensive listing
of events, only $18 for 12 issues, send to PO Box 166, Grand Rapids, Oh
43522.  

July 27-29 there is a Black Powder Shoot with Primative camp (and a modern
area) at the Land of the Senecas just east of Watkins Glen NY.  

Aug 16-19th there is a Black Powder Shoot with Privative camp (and a modern
area) at Whispering Pines which if memory serves is off of Route 15 by Arnot
PA (N.E. Penn).

Sept 8-15th, is the 6th Great North American Rendezvous, Ft. Loundon State
Park (S.E. Penn), http//www.geocites.com/gnarnra/index.html
Or phone Sam Mumma at 302-674-0977, E-mail scmummavi@juno.com
500 or so participants.

Sept 21-30 is the NMLRA Eastern Primative Rendezvous in Doddridge County WV.  
Just south of Pittsburg.  Largest rendezvous in North America with over 3,500
attending.  Write for info to NRLHF, PO Box 100, Auburn, WV 26326

You should also plan on attending the Market Fair at Ft. Frederick Maryland
next spring.  Anything you need for your persona can be purchased at that
event.  It is held the last weekend of April and my wife and I will not miss
it.

See you around the campfire.

Y.M.O.S.

C.T. Oakes

- --part1_c.17b734a7.286b9040_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:10:00 EDT From: WSmith4100@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Newby here...question please hey C.T., There was a blurb on one of the morning news shows about the F&I reenactment this past weekend. look like lot of fun. Good to get some national exposure too. ZZZZZZZZ W Smith Boise ID - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:13:05 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Newby here...question please Big Dave, Get to know your local black powder group first. There is something going on everywhere. There is something going on somewhere every week of the year. Go to "GOOGLE" type in (the name of your state in place of Missouri. "Missouri Mountain Man Club" (leave off the quotes) I got 26,400 hits and in the first ten were lists of links to local resources. Vary the search with terms relevant to where you live, or blackpowder, historic, &c. "Missouri Blackpowder Club" got 292 hits. You will sometimes find connections to the local blackpowder shooters at gunshows, and to those with historic interest at historic sites, in particular over the holidays. Go somewhere historic this next big holiday, and talk to the people all dressed up in them funny clothes. If you don't know where the primitive rendezvouss' are: you are probably not ready to go. John... At 03:38 PM 6/27/01 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 6/25/01 9:38:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cd252@ptd.net >writes: > >>... are there any "primitive" events here in the East? I live >>in Northeastern Pennsylvania. >> >>Regards to all, >>Big Dave Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:38:47 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation Pat, I am paying 1.47 per gallon regular in Salt Lake/Ogden. Ole - ---------- >From: Pat Quilter >To: "'hist_text@lists.xmission.com'" >Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation >Date: Wed, Jun 27, 2001, 10:12 AM > >When I drove to the Property, gas was running $1.50-$1.75 once you got out >of California. But $200 is probably a reasonable allowance. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Larry Huber [mailto:shootsprairie@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 8:20 AM >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation > > >Pat, > >Thank you. I found my T&LR and, sure enough, there it was, directions and >all. I'm all set to go, just short of cash. $200 just for gas!!! > >Larry Huber > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pat Quilter" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:41 PM >Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation > > >> I think it's all been in the T&LR. All I've got from the Moc Mail is a >brief >> extract from Crazy's "Some One has to Get the Wood" notice from Jan 01. >> " The place will be on West Dry Creek, thirty-six miles east and a little >> north of Dubois, Idaho. Elevation is around 6700 ft." >> I'll have to dig up my own TLR. >> Let me know tomorrow if you don't find the T&LR. >> Pat >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry Huber [mailto:shootsprairie@hotmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 7:17 PM >> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation >> >> >> Pat, >> Help me out. I'm leaving Thursday for the Nationals and I can' t find the >> directions to the doin's...I've lost the Mocassin Mail! Can I get you to >> Email me those directions? Or anyone else out there? >> Much appreciated. >> Larry Huber >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pat Quilter" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 6:05 PM >> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation >> >> >> > Cordage (hand twisted, or using the simple cranked machine if >available), >> > and a selection of furs if available, always go over well with that age >> > group. >> > Pat Quilter >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: LivingInThePast@aol.com [mailto:LivingInThePast@aol.com] >> > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:33 PM >> > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> > Subject: MtMan-List: Youth Presentation >> > >> > >> > I have the opportunity to do a living history presentation during a week >> > long >> > YMCA camp in the San Bernardino Mountains. The groups will be about 10 >> > campers each, twice a day, for an hour or so, and the campers are in the >> > 8-11 >> > age range. >> > >> > I have slated some Dutch Oven Cooking, flint and steel fire-starting, >> hands >> > on display of primitive tools and weapons i.e. traps, flint knives, >> > flintlocks, sundial, etc, but am looking for other ideas as well. >> > >> > Any suggestions? Thanks, Barney >> > >> > ---------------------- >> > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > >> > ---------------------- >> > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:32:27 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need infor about baynton,wharton and morgan Dave, Loved the infor. you sent me and yes I an looking into morgans store in kaskaskia. Any information on the goods he kept in the store would be helpful and and also, what he charged for the goods. Thanks! Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:24:45 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM National Larry, Far as I know they are. See ya soon! Allen At 08:32 AM 06/27/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Allen, > >Is Fort Hall open on Fridays? I'll be passing through there on the way to >the Nationals. Kinda like to stop in. Nice place? > >Larry Huber > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:24:50 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need infor about baynton,wharton and morgan Traphand@aol.com writes: > Loved the infor. you sent me and yes I an looking into morgans store in > kaskaskia. Any information on the goods he kept in the store would be > helpful and and also, what he charged for the goods. Nothing more on the store or goods themselves, just stuff about Morgan and his underhanded dealings and the reasons for failure of the company. Here's another little tidbit I ran across in another source: "The Story of Illinois" by Theo. Pease. "As early as 1766 Illinois had begun a trade connection with the seaboard English colonies. In 1765, the shifty Samuel Wharton, of the Philadelphia firm of Baynton, Wharton, and Morgan, had listened to private representations from George Croghan that he would take a secret partnership with them and buy their goods at high prices to be given in the king's name as presents to the western Indians whom he was descending down the Ohio to pacify. The firm dreamed of 200% profits. Wharton tumbled all the firm's unsalable stock in dry goods, fine groceries, and other commodities, whether suited to the Indian trade or not, into wagons and sent them off by back roads to Pittsburgh. Although attempts were made to conceal the transaction, rival firms which were still barred from the Indian trade as a military measure protested to the British commander-in-chief, Major General Thomas Gage. Despite protestations of innocence from Wharton and Croghan, Gage made no attempt to conceal his opinion that both were lying." "meanwhile unsupervised wagoners had forded rivers with loads of chocolate and tea and had liberally helped themselves to the goods in their charge. The lawless Paxton Boys plundered what the wagoners had spared....a much reduced stock of damaged goods unsuited to the Indian trade had reached Pittsburgh too late and were wasted on fair and frail ladies by the rascally agents of the firm." "In 1766.......Morgan found himself at length in the Illinois Country with a poorly assorted lot of goods in competition with skilled French merchants who were in debt to New Orleans firms and therefore bound to deal with them." After not being able to secure the provisioning of the post because of differences and a dislike by LC John Reed, BW&M fell into difficulties and had to carry on its business under the supervision of creditors. In an attempt to generate funds, Morgan returned east and secured a quantity of Jamaican Negroes which he, in turn, sold to the Illinois French for 400 pounds each. Dave - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #822 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.