From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #829 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, July 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 829 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning -       Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning -       Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning -       Re: MtMan-List: National Pictures -       Re: MtMan-List: National Pictures -       MtMan-List: boone & crockett on History channel -       Re: MtMan-List: More Mules! -       MtMan-List: Miller's sketches -       Re: MtMan-List: Miller's sketches -       MtMan-List: Working a hat without messing it up. -       Fwd: MtMan-List: Working a hat without messing it up. -       RE: MtMan-List: Working a hat without messing it up. -       Re: MtMan-List: Working a hat without messing it up. -       Re: MtMan-List: Working a hat without messing it up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:17:51 -0700 From: "Larry Huber" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning Like Ole, I too use bear grease or whale oil if I can get it. I field clean my rifle with braided tow wrapped around a worm. First the rinsed, stained tow used from previous cleanings, then cleaner tow to check the result. I like the rinse water to be near boiling (careful as you touch the barrel). Tipped upside down to drain, the heat evaporates any moisture left in the barrel. While still warm, I run a greased tow worm down the barrel and run the retrieved tow over the metal external parts. This works for me. When I get home, I repeat the process except I use cloth patches. I use animal grease as described as it is most compatible with black powder. I do NOT recommend petroleum based lubricants which cause "gumming" in black powder arms. If you must use synthetics use a vegetable based oil like "Bore Butter". Larry Huber - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ole B. Jensen" To: Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:49 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning > Sir, > Bear grease or whale oil. > YMOS > OLe # 718 > ---------- > >From: "Gretchen Ormond" > >To: Hist mail > >Subject: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning > >Date: Thu, Jul 12, 2001, 7:24 PM > > > > >I know I may be kicking a dead horse but here goes. > > > >While an appreciative guest at Nationals I wondered over and burned a > >little powder with Scott Hall and some friends from Nevada. I decided > >to put my new found knowledge from the list to the test, so when I > >returned to camp I barrowed a bucket of cold water from Teton Todd > >moistened some patches and cleaned my rifle. Followed with a couple dry > >patches then pointed it down fer a while called it good. That sounded > >like what was suggested on-list a while back. > > > >On returning to Cache Valley I decided to check it out; before putting > >my rifle away > >I ran a dry patch down the barrel. After one hell of a lot of trouble I > >got the damn thing back out and she was covered with rust. > > > >I can call rust patina on the outside but rust pits aint cool in the > >business part of my rifle. If just plain water is all it takes what did > >I do wrong. Maybe it was that Todd Water that I need to avoid in the > >future but doubt it. > > > >Lastly if a "Moose Milk" is needed to oil and finish a cleaning job how > >do you carry it in the field. "Just do it when you get home" is > >unacceptable for me. > > > >Wynn Ormond > > > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:35:33 -0700 From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning Wynn, Who told you to quit before you wiped it out with bear grease or some other natural oil/wax combo? 1. slush it out with water. 2. dry it out with extra patches/tow 3. coat it good with bear grease, olive oil (sweet oil), any vegetable oil, bee's wax and some kinda oil mix, et. 4. check it after a while if your worried Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gretchen Ormond" To: "Hist mail" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 7:24 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning > I know I may be kicking a dead horse but here goes. > > While an appreciative guest at Nationals I wondered over and burned a > little powder with Scott Hall and some friends from Nevada. I decided > to put my new found knowledge from the list to the test, so when I > returned to camp I barrowed a bucket of cold water from Teton Todd > moistened some patches and cleaned my rifle. Followed with a couple dry > patches then pointed it down fer a while called it good. That sounded > like what was suggested on-list a while back. > > On returning to Cache Valley I decided to check it out; before putting > my rifle away > I ran a dry patch down the barrel. After one hell of a lot of trouble I > got the damn thing back out and she was covered with rust. > > I can call rust patina on the outside but rust pits aint cool in the > business part of my rifle. If just plain water is all it takes what did > I do wrong. Maybe it was that Todd Water that I need to avoid in the > future but doubt it. > > Lastly if a "Moose Milk" is needed to oil and finish a cleaning job how > do you carry it in the field. "Just do it when you get home" is > unacceptable for me. > > Wynn Ormond > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:39:37 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning 1. slush it out with water. 2. dry it out with extra patches/tow 3. coat it good with bear grease, olive oil (sweet oil), any vegetable oil, bee's wax and some kinda oil mix, et. 4. check it after a while if your worried Capt. Lahti' >As per usual Capt. , you have hit the nail squarely on the head. That program, if followed to the "T", will work every time. Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:35:38 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: National Pictures - --part1_98.17984c83.288109fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello the camp I would like to get a set of the pictures that Lanney is selling and the profit goes to the land fund. But I need his address. Better to count ribs than tracks Mark "Roadkill" Loader - --part1_98.17984c83.288109fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello the camp
I would like to get a set of the pictures that Lanney is selling and the
profit goes to the land fund. But I need his address.
Better to count ribs than tracks
Mark "Roadkill" Loader - --part1_98.17984c83.288109fa_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:59:29 -0700 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: National Pictures - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello the camp I would like to get a set of the pictures that Lanney is selling and the profit goes to the land fund. But I need his address. Better to count ribs than tracks Mark "Roadkill" Loader Mark, Lanney's e-mail is amm1585@hyperusa.com I just received his set of pics yesterday, and I'm quite pleased with them. hardtack - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Hello the camp
I would like to get a set of the pictures that Lanney is selling and the
profit goes to the land fund. But I need his address.
Better to count ribs than tracks
Mark "Roadkill" Loader
 
Mark, Lanney's e-mail is amm1585@hyperusa.com
 
I just received his set of pics yesterday, and I'm quite pleased with them.   hardtack
- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 03:01:50 EDT From: WSmith4100@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: boone & crockett on History channel Hello the Camp! Wanted to remind everyone that the History Channel is replaying the show "Boone & Crockett, The Hunter Heroes" on Sat. 7/14/01 @ 12-2pm EST. Set your VCR's boys and girls ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ "Sleeps Loudly" - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:35:21 -0600 From: "Walt Foster" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: More Mules! Hi Allen, You might enjoy the Hafen book French Fur Traders & Voyageurs in the American West. The index shows 10 listing for mules. And it has a rich introduction by Janet Lecompte. On page 16, Introduction, "By 1834 the fur trade had shifted from beaver to buffalo, from the mountains to the plains, and from trappers to traders." The geography of your post below seems to indicate the North Platte route west. This is the same year the American Fur Company took over the Rendezvous from those who carried on from the original hands starting with Ashley 1822. Great book well worth reading. Including links to Martin Chittenden, who spent six years scanning fur trade papers, estimated that at least four-fifths of approximately five thousand men in the American fur trade were of French-Canadian or Mississippi Valley Creole background pg. 11. Cheers, Walt Park City, Montana - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Hall" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:22 PM Subject: MtMan-List: More Mules! > Hello the List, > > Came across this and thought some of you may be interested. From the 1836 > journal of Narcissa Whitman, on her way to Oregon country, by way of > rendezvous. Page 150-1 of Vol. 1 of Mountain Men and the Fur Trade by LeRoy > Hafen. > > "The Fur Com. is large this year. We are really a moving village - nearly > four hundred animals with ours, mostly mules and seventy men. The Fur Com. > has seven wagons and one cart, drawn by six mules each, heavily loaded; the > cart drawn by two mules carries a lame man, one of the proprieters of the > Com. We have two waggons in our com. Mr. and Mrs. S and Husband and my > self ride in one, Mr. Gray and the baggage in the other. Our Indian boys > drive the cows and Dulin the horses. Young Miles [Goodyear] leads our > forward horses, four in each team. Now E. if you wish to see the camp in > motion, look away ahead and see first the pilot and the Captain Fitzpatrick, > just before him - next the pack animals, all mules loaded with great packs - > soon after you will see the waggons and in the rear of our company. We all > cover quite a space. The pack mules always string along one after the other > just like Indians. There are several gentlemen in the Com. who are going > over the Mountains for pleasure. Capt. Stewart, Mr. Lee speaks of him in > his journal - he went over when he [Mr. Lee] did and returned. He is an > Englishman, - Mr. Chelam. We had a few of them to tea with us last Monday > eve - Capts. Fitzpatrick, Stuart, Maj. Harris and Chelam." > > Interesting stuff. She paints a picture of what the pack train looked like! > > Allen, who still prefers horses..... > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:34:08 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Miller's sketches Hallo the List, Does anyone know where the original sketches done by Alfred Miller are located? I think someone once said they were in France somewhere, and I've got a kid over there that would take some pictures of them, if she knew where to go.... Ymos, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:05:41 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Miller's sketches - --------------682CE6B87B738DF11DBC8704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Magpie, Maybe this will help you out. http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/miller_alfred_jacob.html SWcushing@aol.com wrote: > Hallo the List, > > Does anyone know where the original sketches done by Alfred Miller are > located? I think someone once said they were in France somewhere, and I've > got a kid over there that would take some pictures of them, if she knew where > to go.... > > Ymos, > Magpie > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --------------682CE6B87B738DF11DBC8704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Magpie,
    Maybe this will help you out.
http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/miller_alfred_jacob.html
 
 
 

SWcushing@aol.com wrote:

Hallo the List,

Does anyone know where the original sketches done by Alfred Miller are
located? I think someone once said they were in France somewhere, and I've
got a kid over there that would take some pictures of them, if she knew where
to go....

Ymos,
Magpie

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- --------------682CE6B87B738DF11DBC8704-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 00:44:46 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Working a hat without messing it up. Ho Camp, I know that many of you who portray both free trappers and long hunter types of each respective period wear wool felt hats as part of your gear. I recently bought a good wool felt hat blank and it was shipped it a box that sort of warped the brim. I wanted to straighten/shape it, but thought I would ask if anyone knew a way to do this without damaging the hat. I have many times started out to do something in a seemingly innocuous way only to learn a very expensive lesson. Thought maybe some of you have messied with shaping hats before and could offer some advice! Thanks, - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 01:35:31 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Fwd: MtMan-List: Working a hat without messing it up. - --part1_a1.1828dc6f.288285a3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On your hat ,try steaming it.Use a old coffee are tea pot and let the steam hit the area you would like to fix. A steam iron will also work ,hope this help. Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - --part1_a1.1828dc6f.288285a3_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by air-yb05.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINYB54-0715004539; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 00:45:39 -0400 Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (v79.20) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYB39-0715004527; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 00:45:27 -0400 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15Ldm5-0000AW-00 for hist_text-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:44:57 -0600 Received: from [152.163.225.103] (helo=imo-r07.mx.aol.com) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15Ldm0-0000AF-00 for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:44:53 -0600 Received: from HikingOnThru@cs.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id f.11b.194dd9c (4380) for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 00:44:47 -0400 (EDT) From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Message-ID: <11b.194dd9c.288279be@cs.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 00:44:46 EDT Subject: MtMan-List: Working a hat without messing it up. To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 107 Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Ho Camp, I know that many of you who portray both free trappers and long hunter types of each respective period wear wool felt hats as part of your gear. I recently bought a good wool felt hat blank and it was shipped it a box that sort of warped the brim. I wanted to straighten/shape it, but thought I would ask if anyone knew a way to do this without damaging the hat. I have many times started out to do something in a seemingly innocuous way only to learn a very expensive lesson. Thought maybe some of you have messied with shaping hats before and could offer some advice! Thanks, - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --part1_a1.1828dc6f.288285a3_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:30:27 -0700 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Working a hat without messing it up. - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII C. Kent, I have restored hats using water, and also using rubbing alcohol in an atomizer (recommended by a friend). I simply laid the hat out on something to lay flat on and wet it, then let it dry.If you want a slightly down turned shape to the brim try laying the hat on a pillow, or some such. Hope this helps. hardtack - --- Randal Bublitz - --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net We have NOT inherited the Earth from our Fathers, we are Borrowing it from our Children - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
C. Kent,   I have restored hats using water, and also using rubbing alcohol in an atomizer (recommended by a friend).  I simply laid the hat out on something to lay flat on and wet it, then let it dry.If you want a slightly down turned shape to the brim try laying the hat on a pillow, or some such.  Hope this helps.   hardtack
--- Randal Bublitz
We have NOT inherited the Earth from our Fathers, we are Borrowing it from our Children
 
- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:16:51 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Working a hat without messing it up. C.- I recently watched a sutler using a steam wand, and it was amazing. Albeit the guy had lots of experience, but he seemed to work miracles shaping hats to folks exact desires. Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:17:18 EDT From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Working a hat without messing it up. The felt hat I wear is old and the brim is getting really floppy. It has a lot of personality though, plus it's "aprk service issue period wear" so I'm stuck with it. Is there any way to stiffen the brim a little? John R. Sweet - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #829 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.