Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones

From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #831 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, July 20 2001 Volume 01 : Number 831 In this issue: -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: shellac -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: shellac -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Hobble stones -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Re Hobble Stones -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:47:33 -0500 -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Winter Song -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:28:29 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: shellac I always thought that shellac was made from the boiled shells [wings] of a particular beetle. Ya know, 'shell'-ac. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:40:53 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shellac NOPE. It is the exudations of insects gathered off trees. It's first designation in it's least processed form; is as stick lac. Cochineal is derived from insect body parts but not by the method you describe. John... At 05:28 PM 7/18/01 -0500, you wrote: > I always thought that shellac was made from the boiled shells [wings] of >a particular beetle. Ya know, 'shell'-ac. >Frank G. Fusco >Mountain Home, Arkansas >http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html "A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on Earth... and what no just government should refuse." --Thomas Jefferson - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:54:17 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Hobble stones - --part1_80.d3d4516.28877ba9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saw what they called hobble stones in a fire place at the Mormon hand cart museum near Independence Rock Wyo. how did they use them. They looked a lot like tomahawk stones. Roadkill - --part1_80.d3d4516.28877ba9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saw what they called hobble stones in a fire place at the Mormon hand cart
museum near Independence Rock Wyo. how did they use them. They looked a lot
like tomahawk stones.
Roadkill - --part1_80.d3d4516.28877ba9_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:06:27 -0400 From: "Tim Jewell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C10FC5.20A14B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Saw what they called hobble stones... Hey Roadkill, Could that have been cobble stones? If so, they were used to pave = streets. If not, I have no clue. Tim - ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C10FC5.20A14B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>Saw=20 what they called hobble stones...

Hey=20 Roadkill,

Could that=20 have been cobble stones? If so, they were used to pave =20 streets. If not, I have no clue.

Tim

- ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C10FC5.20A14B60-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:07:05 -0700 From: Pat Quilter Subject: MtMan-List: Re Hobble Stones As far as I know, a "hobble", in the form of a stone or iron weight, was something you tied to your horse's lead rope (or reins?) and dropped on the ground. A trained horse would stay put, thinking he was tied securely to a picket. Laurel and Hardy had an amusing gag where their Model T refused to move until they picked up their hobble and set it in the car. Pat Quilter. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:57:13 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones In a message dated 7/18/01 5:08:29 PM, tjewell@home.com writes: << Hey Roadkill, Could that have been cobble stones? If so, they were used to pave streets. If not, I have no clue. Tim >> Ain't that what they tie to a horse to slow em down a bit? .... Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:43:04 +0800 From: buck_conner@email.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones - -----Original Message----- From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Hobble stones > Saw what they called hobble stones in a fire place at the Mormon hand cart > museum near Independence Rock Wyo. how did they use them. They looked a lot > like tomahawk stones. > Roadkill > Mark, The Amish use to use and may still use "hobble stones", they would have a heavy canvas bag with a loop to tie the reins to, inside they would place "hobble stones". Depending on the animal, horse or ox as to the number of stones required to keep them in one spot. I know they where still in use at least 25 years ago in PA and OH and had been around for 100's of years. Dennis Miles may be able to shed more light to the subject, as he deals with the clans back in that area. Todays cowboys would laugh at such things, as you know with your wife's family, John would have shot the animal if it wouldn't stay "ground tied", right. - -- Take care, Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ AMM ~ LENAPE ~ NRA ~ HRD ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Rival the best - Surpass the rest". ___________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ Make PC-to-Phone calls with Net2Phone. Sign-up today at: http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?121 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:37:18 -0400 From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones Mark, As Buck said, Hobble Stones are still used here to some extent. Generally at the Farm Fleet or Wally World stores, where there is nowhere to tie off. Of course, nowadays, there is also generally a boy used to hard work with the rig to discourage the unseemly crowd. Those boys can be good discouragers.. Right Buck?? Well, back outside, like working in a sauna today. But Brother Magpie will be a happy man later. D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:10:47 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones In a message dated 7/19/01 7:38:25 AM, deforge1@bright.net writes: << Well, back outside, like working in a sauna today. But Brother Magpie will be a happy man later. D >> Haaaaaaa....ya know, I'm feelin better already! Ymos, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:54:46 -0600 From: "Paul W. Jones" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:47:33 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C11048.98F27200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I have also started a new egroup. Right now I am the lone member. You may subscribe at: colonialangling-subscribe@yahoogroups.com The group is about: A continuing dialogue about fishing in Colonial = America, both course and with fly, the equipment, techniques and = concepts then practiced, and a practical recreation of that era by = modern angler/historians. Frankly, I intend to deal with broader issues within the general = framework of fishing as practiced in the new world from point of first = contact through about 1850. We will deal with bait (course) fishing, = fly fishing, period tackle and how to make it, and simply anything that = is of interest to reenactors, fisherpersons, museum personnel,and etc. Please spread the word if you are interested or know of someone who is = interested in fishing as it relates to our America fishing history.=20 Regards. Paul W. Jones CLARK & SONS MERCANTILE, INC. "One Who Trades" "Uno quien negocia" "Unqui commerce" English Spanish = French Visit our Web-Page at http://www.clarkandsons.com/ P.O. Box 270844 Houston, Texas 77277-0844 (713) 839-7884 = Fax (713) 668-9589=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C11048.98F27200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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- ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C11048.98F27200-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:44:18 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones At 07:43 PM 7/19/01 +0800, Buck wrote: >The Amish use to use and may still use "hobble stones", they would have = a=20 >heavy canvas bag with a loop to tie the reins to, inside they would plac= e=20 >"hobble stones". Around here most Amish use iron hitching weights. Cast iron weights in=20 various shapes and sizes from 15 to over 50 lbs. When you park horses ne= xt=20 to cars it helps to have a small reminder on the end of the tie rope or=20 reins if you don't have something more substantial to tie to. I have see= n=20 some folks using old scale weights for the purpose, others have weights=20 that were specifically cast to the chore. A well trained horse will ground tie as long as it isn't spooked. A=20 spooked horse is a spooked horse and a small reminder of its training (a=20 hitching weight) can help return calm. Every horse can be spooked by=20 something, at least a little. I had one I was riding go 12 feet sideways= =20 because a mouse crossed in front of us; a spooky day set off what was=20 usually a calm animal. I think old timers on the trail used the stones that Roadkill asked about= =20 differently. Someone ought to take a few out on the trail and find out=20 exactly how best they work. Every horse & mule I ever owned in about 30 minutes or less figured out h= ow=20 to move almost as fast with hobbles as without. If they offered any=20 restriction it only could have been measured in miles and top speed. When you are dependent on forage to feed your animals they need to be abl= e=20 to forage. If you enjoy the luxury of a large remuda you can feed in=20 shifts and always keep one under saddle. If all your animals work every=20 day they all need a goodly amount of time to eat everyday. The mountains= =20 ain't got many spots belly deep in oat grass. The poorer the landscape t= he=20 more time they need. It can be difficult maintaining control and keeping= =20 the animals fed. It don't take much to set a horse to running, often you never know for su= re=20 what done it. If one does they all will, if they can. A whiff of lion o= r=20 bear on the wind is a pretty certain long hike for you; if you aren't=20 firmly in control. Seismic exploration assholes setting off explosions,=20 within 100 yards, at dawn; will do it for certain. It's when you turn yo= ur=20 saddle horse out to graze you are most vulnerable. I think hobble stones were tied in with probably cross or side lined=20 hobbles so they would bounce around the animals feet if they got to movin= g=20 fast and discourage them from traveling far. They could have been=20 suspended knee high and perhaps work as well? I am not sure how they wer= e=20 best used, I just don't think they were used like Amish portable hitching= =20 posts. Smooth, rounded, grooved stones (like berry mashers) were chosen (or made= )=20 so as to offer the least opportunity to snag and still tie securely. John... John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<< mail to: - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:56:34 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones John, I sen't Lance Grabowski's paper work to John Link, looks like Lance is bac= k among the living. This is a great thing. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- >From: John Kramer >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones >Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2001, 4:44 PM > >At 07:43 PM 7/19/01 +0800, Buck wrote: >>The Amish use to use and may still use "hobble stones", they would have a= >>heavy canvas bag with a loop to tie the reins to, inside they would place= >>"hobble stones". > > >Around here most Amish use iron hitching weights. Cast iron weights in >various shapes and sizes from 15 to over 50 lbs. When you park horses nex= t >to cars it helps to have a small reminder on the end of the tie rope or >reins if you don't have something more substantial to tie to. I have seen= >some folks using old scale weights for the purpose, others have weights >that were specifically cast to the chore. > >A well trained horse will ground tie as long as it isn't spooked. A >spooked horse is a spooked horse and a small reminder of its training (a >hitching weight) can help return calm. Every horse can be spooked by >something, at least a little. I had one I was riding go 12 feet sideways >because a mouse crossed in front of us; a spooky day set off what was >usually a calm animal. > >I think old timers on the trail used the stones that Roadkill asked about >differently. Someone ought to take a few out on the trail and find out >exactly how best they work. > >Every horse & mule I ever owned in about 30 minutes or less figured out ho= w >to move almost as fast with hobbles as without. If they offered any >restriction it only could have been measured in miles and top speed. > >When you are dependent on forage to feed your animals they need to be able= >to forage. If you enjoy the luxury of a large remuda you can feed in >shifts and always keep one under saddle. If all your animals work every >day they all need a goodly amount of time to eat everyday. The mountains >ain't got many spots belly deep in oat grass. The poorer the landscape th= e >more time they need. It can be difficult maintaining control and keeping >the animals fed. > >It don't take much to set a horse to running, often you never know for sur= e >what done it. If one does they all will, if they can. A whiff of lion or= >bear on the wind is a pretty certain long hike for you; if you aren't >firmly in control. Seismic exploration assholes setting off explosions, >within 100 yards, at dawn; will do it for certain. It's when you turn you= r >saddle horse out to graze you are most vulnerable. > >I think hobble stones were tied in with probably cross or side lined >hobbles so they would bounce around the animals feet if they got to moving= >fast and discourage them from traveling far. They could have been >suspended knee high and perhaps work as well? I am not sure how they were= >best used, I just don't think they were used like Amish portable hitching >posts. > >Smooth, rounded, grooved stones (like berry mashers) were chosen (or made)= >so as to offer the least opportunity to snag and still tie securely. > >John... > >John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 > >Kramer's Best Antique Improver > >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<< > > > >mail to: > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:21:06 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones - --part1_68.1193db52.2888fda2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John You have described what they look like and how the lady at the museum explained there use. Attached to the hobble hitting against the horses legs when moving too fast. Was hoping someone could verify her thoughts. This is just one of the neat things I saw on the way to National. An other was a clay pipe uncovered while I was present at an excavation of a trading post, just west of Hells Gate, burnt by the Mormons during the time Bridger Post was burnt does anyone have any information on it. Better to count rib than horse tracks Mark 'Roadkill" Loader - --part1_68.1193db52.2888fda2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John
You have described what they look like and how the lady at the museum
explained there use. Attached to the hobble hitting against the horses legs
when moving too fast. Was hoping someone could verify her thoughts. This is
just one of the neat things I saw on the way to National. An other was a clay
pipe uncovered while I was present at an excavation of a trading post, just
west of Hells Gate, burnt by the Mormons during the time Bridger Post was
burnt does anyone have any information on it.
Better to count rib than horse tracks
Mark 'Roadkill" Loader - --part1_68.1193db52.2888fda2_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:38:24 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones Roadkill, Dug up stuff seems to show up when you're around. Why is that? John... At 11:21 PM 7/19/01 -0400, you wrote: >John >You have described what they look like and how the lady at the museum >explained there use. Attached to the hobble hitting against the horses legs >when moving too fast. Was hoping someone could verify her thoughts. This is >just one of the neat things I saw on the way to National. An other was a clay >pipe uncovered while I was present at an excavation of a trading post, just >west of Hells Gate, burnt by the Mormons during the time Bridger Post was >burnt does anyone have any information on it. >Better to count rib than horse tracks >Mark 'Roadkill" Loader "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." Napoleon Bonaparte. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:46:25 +0800 From: buck_conner@email.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones - -----Original Message----- From: "Dennis Miles" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones > Mark, > As Buck said, Hobble Stones are still used here to some extent. Generally at the Farm Fleet or Wally World stores, where there is nowhere to tie off. Of course, nowadays, there is also generally a boy used to hard work with the rig to discourage the unseemly crowd. Those boys can be good discouragers.. Right Buck?? > D > ---------------------- Most of those young boys/men are brother Miles size, they don't believe in fighting per say, but a brotherly hug will break a few of your ribs if need be. I think of those earlier years Dennis when in your country and my ribs still hurt from their friendlyness . "say not". - -- Take care, Buck Conner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ AMM ~ LENAPE ~ NRA ~ HRD ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Rival the best - Surpass the rest". ___________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:50:04 -0400 From: slikrickabn@netscape.net (rick dixon) Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Song Guys Did a Winter Song magazine ever come out this year? I had heard that a final one was going to be issued, but I haven't received anything yet- anyone heard any thing? Rick __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:58:44 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3078460725_85167_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Mark, The U.S. Army was sen't out to put down a Mormon uprising in the 1850's. The uprising did not exist, but Brigam Young figured that the U.S. had declared war on the Mormons. To keep the Army from doing it's work Brigham Young sent a detatchment of Militia to scorch the earth in front of the Army to keep supplies and animal feed from them. Fort Bridger had been sold to the Mormons earlier so when they burned it down, they were burning there own property. Hell's gate I do not know about but it was destroyed for the same reason. There was also a large convoy of supplies following the army that the mormon's destroyed by loosing the animals and burning the wagons. It is interesting that Bill Cody was an employee of the convoy when it was destroyed. By destroying the supply train the Army ground to a halt and dam near starved to death during the winter. YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------- From: MarkLoader@aol.com To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2001, 8:21 PM John You have described what they look like and how the lady at the museum explained there use. Attached to the hobble hitting against the horses legs when moving too fast. Was hoping someone could verify her thoughts. This is just one of the neat things I saw on the way to National. An other was a clay pipe uncovered while I was present at an excavation of a trading post, just west of Hells Gate, burnt by the Mormons during the time Bridger Post was burnt does anyone have any information on it. Better to count rib than horse tracks Mark 'Roadkill" Loader - --MS_Mac_OE_3078460725_85167_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones Mark,
The U.S. Army was sen't out to put down a Mormon uprising in the 1850's. Th= e uprising did not exist, but Brigam Young figured that the U.S. had declare= d war on the Mormons. To keep the Army from doing it's work Brigham Young se= nt a detatchment of Militia to scorch the earth in front of the Army to keep= supplies and animal feed from them. Fort Bridger had been sold to the Mormo= ns earlier so when they burned it down, they were burning there own property= . Hell's gate I do not know about but it was destroyed for the same reason. = There was also a large convoy of supplies following the army that the mormon= 's destroyed by loosing the animals and burning the wagons. It is interestin= g that Bill Cody was an employee of the convoy when it was destroyed. By des= troying the supply train the Army ground to a halt and dam near starved to d= eath during the winter.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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From: MarkLoader@aol.com
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hobble stones
Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2001, 8:21 PM

John
You have described what they look like and how the lady at the museum
explained there use. Attached to the hobble hitting against the horses legs=
when moving too fast. Was hoping someone could verify her thoughts. This is=
just one of the neat things I saw on the way to National. An other was a cl= ay
pipe uncovered while I was present at an excavation of a trading post, just=
west of Hells Gate, burnt by the Mormons during the time Bridger Post was <= BR> burnt does anyone have any information on it.
Better to count rib than horse tracks
Mark 'Roadkill" Loader

- --MS_Mac_OE_3078460725_85167_MIME_Part-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:30:41 -0700 From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning Thanks Pendleton. What's per usual is that it worked for the old timers and it works for the "new timers"! No sense in complicating a simple operation. Modern life is complicated enough as it is without cluttering up our "hobby" with modern ideas too. Capt. Lahti' (newly back from the Slopes of the Shinin' Mountains high up on the N. Fork Flathead) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry pendleton" To: Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 4:39 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Cleaning > 1. slush it out with water. > 2. dry it out with extra patches/tow > 3. coat it good with bear grease, olive oil (sweet oil), any vegetable oil, > bee's wax and some kinda oil mix, et. > 4. check it after a while if your worried > > Capt. Lahti' > > > >As per usual Capt. , you have hit the nail squarely on the head. That > program, if followed to the "T", will work every time. > > Pendleton > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #831 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.