From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #840 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, August 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 840 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: problem??? need help -       Re: MtMan-List: problem??? need help -       Re: MtMan-List: problem??? need help -       RE: MtMan-List: problem??? need help -       Re: MtMan-List: problem??? need help -       MtMan-List: The Mt. Men on History Channel -       MtMan-List: OFF LIST....watch your parents closely -       Re: MtMan-List: OFF LIST....watch your parents closely -       Re: MtMan-List: OFF LIST....watch your parents closely -       MtMan-List: Swiss Army Shovel -       Re: MtMan-List: Swiss Army Shovel -       Re: MtMan-List: OFF LIST....watch your parents closely ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:40:11 EDT From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: problem??? need help - --part1_6f.1905350f.289fea2b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/01 9:18:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tipis@mediaone.net writes: > to the building codes. > This has basically outlawed tipis in my town. > > You may want to do a little research into the code to see how it applys to "temporary structures". I have had some dealings in the past (touring theatre companies and rock and roll out doors) and most of the building codes apply to "permanent" structures. And if you are using it to do boy scout demos etc you may be able to put it up for the days of the demo. Unfortunately if you leave it up they will get you as a permanent structure. So research that. Also see if you can find a member of the town board that was or is a scout and ask the scouts to ask that board member for assistance. Town boards can overrule or give exemptions to the code enforcement. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes - --part1_6f.1905350f.289fea2b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/01 9:18:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
tipis@mediaone.net writes:


to the building codes.
This has basically outlawed tipis in my town.

I am asking for help,


You may want to do a little research into the code to see how it applys to
"temporary structures".   I have had some dealings in the past (touring
theatre companies and rock and roll out doors) and most of the building codes
apply to "permanent"  structures.  And if you are using it to do boy scout
demos etc you may be able to put it up for the days of the demo.  
Unfortunately if you leave it up they will get you as a permanent structure.  
So research that.  Also see if you can find a member of the town board that
was or is a scout and ask the scouts to ask that board member for assistance.
 Town boards can overrule or give exemptions to the code enforcement.

Y.M.O.S.

C.T. Oakes - --part1_6f.1905350f.289fea2b_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:55:17 -0700 From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: problem??? need help This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C11E5D.E5AB86E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Along with the good advice C.T. Oakes gives below, keep this thought in = mind...... Building Departments etc. are in the business of enforcing codes not = looking for ways to let you do what you want. If you want to do = something that they initially recognize as not permitted by the code = they enforce, it's your right and responsibility to find a way that will = allow them to permit your activity or project and once you find it they = are usually more than happy to let you proceed. It's the nature of the = beast. As a Fire Inspector years ago, I saw the Building Inspector disallow = certain things that, with some searching of the Code on my part for the = benefit of the citizen, could be allowed via the right route through the = Rules. And remember that 'sometimes it's easier to get forgivness than = it is to get permission'. (Old Fire Captain saying) Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: CTOAKES@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:40 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: problem??? need help In a message dated 8/5/01 9:18:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 tipis@mediaone.net writes:=20 to the building codes.=20 This has basically outlawed tipis in my town.=20 I am asking for help,=20 You may want to do a little research into the code to see how it = applys to=20 "temporary structures". I have had some dealings in the past = (touring=20 theatre companies and rock and roll out doors) and most of the = building codes=20 apply to "permanent" structures. And if you are using it to do boy = scout=20 demos etc you may be able to put it up for the days of the demo. =20 Unfortunately if you leave it up they will get you as a permanent = structure. =20 So research that. Also see if you can find a member of the town board = that=20 was or is a scout and ask the scouts to ask that board member for = assistance.=20 Town boards can overrule or give exemptions to the code enforcement.=20 Y.M.O.S.=20 C.T. Oakes=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C11E5D.E5AB86E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Along with the good advice C.T. Oakes = gives below,=20 keep this thought in mind......
 
Building Departments etc. are in the = business of=20 enforcing codes not looking for ways to let you do what you want. If you = want to=20 do something that they initially recognize as not permitted by the code = they=20 enforce, it's your right and responsibility to find a way that will = allow them=20 to permit your activity or project and once you find it they are usually = more=20 than happy to let you proceed. It's the nature of the = beast.
 
As a Fire Inspector years ago, I saw = the Building=20 Inspector disallow certain things that, with some searching of the Code = on my=20 part for the benefit of the citizen, could be allowed via the right = route=20 through the Rules. And remember that 'sometimes it's easier to get = forgivness=20 than it is to get permission'. (Old Fire Captain saying) = <G>
 
Capt. Lahti'
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 CTOAKES@aol.com=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 = 5:40=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = problem??? need=20 help

In a = message dated=20 8/5/01 9:18:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
tipis@mediaone.net writes: =


to the building codes.
This has basically outlawed = tipis in=20 my town.

I am asking for help,

You may = want to do=20 a little research into the code to see how it applys to
"temporary = structures".   I have had some dealings in the past (touring =
theatre companies and rock and roll out doors) and most of the = building=20 codes
apply to "permanent"  structures.  And if you are = using it=20 to do boy scout
demos etc you may be able to put it up for the = days of the=20 demo.  
Unfortunately if you leave it up they will get you as = a=20 permanent structure.  
So research that.  Also see if = you can=20 find a member of the town board that
was or is a scout and ask the = scouts=20 to ask that board member for assistance.
 Town boards can = overrule or=20 give exemptions to the code enforcement.

Y.M.O.S.

C.T. = Oakes - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C11E5D.E5AB86E0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:00:03 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: problem??? need help This problem is not just in the cities. I ran into the same situation with the Forest Service when preparing to do my week-long Living History Presentation for a YMCA Camp in the San Bernardino Mountains, outside of Los Angeles. They (the USFS) have prohibited ANY temporary structures on private and/or leased land within the forests. This does not apply to public campgrounds or wilderness areas, where an Adventure Pass is required, but created quite a problem for the Y Camp, which is on the land pursuant to a 99-year lease. Fortunately, the local Ranger was very understanding and basically turned the other way, giving me the OK to set up and live in my lodge for the week. Needless to say, the camp, children and I were very appreciative. And by the way... thanks to the input I received from many of the members of this list, the presentation was a great success, and I have been invited back to do it again next year! Y'all ARE the best! Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:54:20 -0700 From: "De Santis, Nick" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: problem??? need help I can't not respond to these tall tails! Man o man, can some communities be narrow. In my book (Poles + Canvas) = Tent; "temporary structure"? I don't get it. You can't camp in the US Forest? If you screwed two little lawnmower wheels to a couple of lodge poles, does that make it a travel trailer? Couldn't help myself, Travler - -----Original Message----- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com [mailto:LivingInThePast@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:00 AM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: problem??? need help This problem is not just in the cities. I ran into the same situation with the Forest Service when preparing to do my week-long Living History Presentation for a YMCA Camp in the San Bernardino Mountains, outside of Los Angeles. They (the USFS) have prohibited ANY temporary structures on private and/or leased land within the forests. This does not apply to public campgrounds or wilderness areas, where an Adventure Pass is required, but created quite a problem for the Y Camp, which is on the land pursuant to a 99-year lease. Fortunately, the local Ranger was very understanding and basically turned the other way, giving me the OK to set up and live in my lodge for the week. Needless to say, the camp, children and I were very appreciative. And by the way... thanks to the input I received from many of the members of this list, the presentation was a great success, and I have been invited back to do it again next year! Y'all ARE the best! Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:53:33 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: problem??? need help No, I think it makes it a "BattleBot". Any one seen the new Robot battle bots on tv.???? Linda Holley "De Santis, Nick" wrote: > I can't not respond to these tall tails! Man o man, can some communities be > narrow. In my book (Poles + Canvas) = Tent; "temporary structure"? I don't > get it. You can't camp in the US Forest? If you screwed two little lawnmower > wheels to a couple of lodge poles, does that make it a travel trailer? > > Couldn't help myself, > > Travler > > -----Original Message----- > From: LivingInThePast@aol.com [mailto:LivingInThePast@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:00 AM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: problem??? need help > > This problem is not just in the cities. I ran into the same situation with > the Forest Service when preparing to do my week-long Living History > Presentation for a YMCA Camp in the San Bernardino Mountains, outside of Los > > Angeles. > > They (the USFS) have prohibited ANY temporary structures on private and/or > leased land within the forests. This does not apply to public campgrounds or > > wilderness areas, where an Adventure Pass is required, but created quite a > problem for the Y Camp, which is on the land pursuant to a 99-year lease. > > Fortunately, the local Ranger was very understanding and basically turned > the > other way, giving me the OK to set up and live in my lodge for the week. > Needless to say, the camp, children and I were very appreciative. > > And by the way... thanks to the input I received from many of the members of > > this list, the presentation was a great success, and I have been invited > back > to do it again next year! Y'all ARE the best! > > Barney > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:07:53 -0700 From: "rtlahti" Subject: MtMan-List: The Mt. Men on History Channel This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C11E89.9128AF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Friends, I see that "The Mt. Men" is now playing on the History Channel out west = here. I'll be missing it as I need to leave the house for a few hours. = Enjoy. Capt. Lahti' - ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C11E89.9128AF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Friends,
 
I see that "The Mt. Men" is now playing = on the=20 History Channel out west here. I'll be missing it as I need to leave the = house=20 for a few hours. Enjoy.
 
Capt.=20 Lahti'
- ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C11E89.9128AF40-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:47:50 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: OFF LIST....watch your parents closely Ho the list This is a long way from being pertinent to any current discussion but I am throwing it out anyhow. Hit DELETE now if you object. I just returned from several days at Port Aransas on the Texas gulf coast where my 78 year old mother is a long time resident. I got a call Thursday that she had been in a auto accident and was in ICU so I went down there to see about the problem. Turns out she was having some sort of occasional heart rhythm problems and her brain wasn't getting enough blood and had been functioning very poorly from time to time for God knows how long. The result was that she more or less passed out while approaching the ferry landing at Aransas Pass and she ran her pickup through a barricade and off into the briny deep. Luckily the water was not very deep where she landed and she suffered no physical damage (the truck was another story) and a pacemaker was installed on Saturday to fix the heart problem. Her prognosis is good. I didn't say all that to elicit sympathy for my dear ol' sainted mom, but to say that we should remember that the elderly need a careful eye cast on them by somebody who has know them for years to notice fundamental changes in their demeanor, habits, thinking ability and general personality. My mom has chosen to live away from any family and her new neighbors failed to notice the changes that would have signaled me or my brother that something was seriously wrong. Had these changes been noticed a near fatal accident could have been averted. I'm not sure if anything could have been done in my mom's case because after decades of alienating just about everybody who ever know her, she is harder to corner that a shit-house rat. Some of you have heard me say that where she spits, grass never grows. Hopefully the elders in your family don't pose the problem my mom does and you can keep a weather eye on them to make their Winter days a little less scary. Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:18:37 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OFF LIST....watch your parents closely Right you are Lanney. Thanks for the reminder.... Ad Miller Alderson, WV - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:08:27 -0600 From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OFF LIST....watch your parents closely I had not thought of it, but I will. Thanks. GENE - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Addison Miller" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:18 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OFF LIST....watch your parents closely > Right you are Lanney. Thanks for the reminder.... > > Ad Miller > Alderson, WV > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:44:34 -0500 From: "no" Subject: MtMan-List: Swiss Army Shovel This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C11F8A.25BBD820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would any list member know where else to get a Swiss Army shovel? Cheaper than Dirt is sold out. Thanks Frank - ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C11F8A.25BBD820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Would any list member know where else to get a Swiss Army = shovel?
Cheaper than Dirt is sold out.  Thanks
 
Frank
- ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C11F8A.25BBD820-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:07:38 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Swiss Army Shovel This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C11F8D.5E9A39E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Go to Google.com and enter a search for "swiss army shovel"......don't = forget the quotes..... and get the following results. Lanney Ratcliff Outdoor Adventure ... Swiss Army Shovel When you purchase this authentic Swiss Army shovel = for your son, you will not only be getting a handy tool, perfectly sized for a boy or = a man ...=20 www.visionforum.com/boysadventure/productlist.asp?dept=3D23 - 20k - = Cached - Similar pages Military Gear Specials ... Folding Shovel w/Pick+Leather Case German Army, 10.00, SN-158, Swiss = Army Shovel w/Leather Case WWII Era, 20.00, SN-161, WWII British Pattern 37 Web Set, = 25.00, SN-163, ...=20 www.northridgeinc.com/sp_gear.htm - 101k - Cached - Similar pages Llama Life II, No 53 - Spring 2000 ... On the Trail. Eastern Pack Llama Trials Expand - Viv Fulton; The Swiss Army Shovel - Jay Rais. People. ...=20 www.llamalife.com/archives/spring2000.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages The War On Boys ... even things like "The Bushman Adventure Knife," the "Trumark = Slingshot, " and a "Swiss Army Shovel." In fact, the very first entry in the catalog says that "A = ...=20 www.stirling.u-net.com/awoboy14.htm - 7k - Cached - Similar pages - ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C11F8D.5E9A39E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Go to Google.com and enter a search for "swiss army=20 shovel"......don't forget the quotes..... and get the following=20 results.
Lanney Ratcliff
 

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- ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C11F8D.5E9A39E0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:36:54 EDT From: WSmith4100@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OFF LIST....watch your parents closely Thanks Lanney, I'm kinda in the same boat. Just went to SE Washington to visit My folks and my grandma (she turned 86 on July 4}. The folks said she was "not long for this ol' world." Turns out the old gal still has a lot of fight left in her and it's my dad I need to keep an eye on. He's got the same "spit to kill grass" attitude. What to do? What to do? Sleeps Loudly - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #840 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.