From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #865 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, September 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 865 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: EASTERN RONNYVOUS -       MtMan-List: I thought this list would appreciate this -       MtMan-List: fall gathering - NWC -       Re: MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire -       MtMan-List: Faustino Gonzales -       Re: MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire -       MtMan-List: AMM-List: The Bush Doctrine -       Re: MtMan-List: AMM-List: The Bush Doctrine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:07:03 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: MtMan-List: EASTERN RONNYVOUS The Eastern Ronnyvous is still on.... I'm making last minute preperations, packing the smoke pole and possibles, etc... to go and have a good time. At the opening ceremonys there are special things planned for those who gave their lives in the first battle of this "new war"... I invite everyone on this list that attends to come by the Mouse House and raise a glass of spirits, or a cup of cofee with The Mouse and me. I'll be unsubscribing from the list until we get back. Last time I forgot and over 250 emails from this list along.... *grins* Soon as I know where we are gonna set up, I'll make a map and post it on the Bulletin Board at the NRLHF Tent so's y'all will be able to find us. See ya at the 'Vous!!!! Ad Miller Alderson, WV - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:14:29 -0500 From: Jim Lindberg Subject: MtMan-List: I thought this list would appreciate this This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------41103DD0B38AB5910BD6B1D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------41103DD0B38AB5910BD6B1D3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from relayb.mw.cray.com (relayb [172.31.27.12]) by badger.mw.cray.com (8.11.6/ASC-news-1.1) with ESMTP id f8EMVZt2388435; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:31:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail1.cray.com (mail1.mw.cray.com [192.168.252.104]) by relayb.mw.cray.com (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f8EMVZU11235 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:31:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tgw-ict.com (unitymail.tgw-ict.com [12.31.195.151]) by mail1.cray.com (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id f8EMTfN13309 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:29:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200109142229.f8EMTfN13309@mail1.cray.com> X-Mailer: UnityMail Originator: Errors-To: X-UnityID: <20010914163220.INVCBBLEMADACOEunitymail.290916@unitymail.tgw-ict.com> X-UnityUser: The Golf Warehouse X-Mailer-Version: 5.0.30 Reply-To: "The Golf Warehouse Message" From: "TGW Golf Update" To: "jal@cray.com" Subject: Our thoughts and prayers... Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:32:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thread-Index: AcE9ZLwpUusIKXoHThWrIjow5amt2A== Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000

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- --------------41103DD0B38AB5910BD6B1D3-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:01:25 -0500 From: Jim Lindberg Subject: MtMan-List: fall gathering - NWC Went to the fall gathering at the North West Fur trade post near Pine City, Minnesota. A good rest after the week. Had a good number of camps, there was supposed to be a ground breaking ceremony Saturday, but that was canceled in leiu of the events Tuesday. We did put a couple of wooden boxes in the middle of the field and put lanterns on it, it looked nice. One couple from Canada, that usually bring a canon and firearms thought better and left those behind. None of the Canadians had trouble coming into the country. This couple did bring red, white and blue ribbon and made small rosettes that they gave away, accepting donations. The $120 over cost of the ribbon they had was donated to the Red Cross. That was very nice and appreciated. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:58:02 -0500 From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire Lee wrote:
How have the list members with horses familiarize their mounts and
packstock with gunfire?
Wynn wrote:
Now I hope enough time has passed for me to post something completely
unrelated to the events of the last week without appearing insensitive
or uncaring.
Wynn...

This list has always been a sort of therapy for me.... It allows me to turn for a while from the cares of the world to a "quiet" spot in my mind.  I think it is good to talk of something else beside the tragedy of last week for a bit.

On horses and getting them used to gunfire... my concerns are with them just getting used to gunfire so they won't head for parts unknown when a gun is fired nearby.  Wouldn't think about trying to shoot off of the back of one.  The shooting platform they provide is too unstable, and I've heard too many stories of horses moving at the wrong time when the trigger was squeezed.... like raising their head into the muzzle of the gun... not pretty.

I did go out on Friday and work a bit with them.... fed 'em dinner and then sat and worked the trigger of my flinter... that went Ok... so I switched to dropping the hammer on the frizzen.... that didn't go so well with the big gelding, but the mare and the yearling stood for it.  I finally got the gelding to quit running everytime I dropped the hammer... so I tried a pinch of powder in the pan.  A very small pinch.  The first time it went well, no one even twitched... so I primed the pan normally and dropped the hammer again.  I guess the gelding wasn't looking the first time.  I thought I was going to have to replace about 30 feet of barbed wire fence, and spend the rest of the day patching the big guy up.  Fortunately, the fence held, and the gelding switched course after bouncing off the fence.

      
I'm not sure he'll ever get used to guns going off, at least not without a great deal more work. 
I'll have to try something different with him.  The rest of the horses don't seem to mind it much, which is a good thing.

Go in Peace

Lee Newbill of Idaho
- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:01:40 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Faustino Gonzales - --part1_e4.1b0561a5.28d7e8e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello the camp Does anyone know the ware abouts of Faustino Gonzales? Keep your nose to the wind Mark "Rosdkill" Loader - --part1_e4.1b0561a5.28d7e8e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello the camp   
Does anyone know the ware abouts of Faustino Gonzales?
Keep your nose to the wind
Mark "Rosdkill" Loader
- --part1_e4.1b0561a5.28d7e8e4_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:25:23 -0700 From: "pat broehl" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_6f85_49fa_4906 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Lee Newbill < >Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:58:02 -0500 > Lee, I believe you were on the right track with the small clicks and small pan fires. I do believe the small fiasco with the gelding may have erupted from too prompt of an rate of increase. I think you would continue to have increased success if you were to remain at a light pan charge for a longer training session. Begin a session once they know you and the gun are there by shooting off a small pan charge as far across the corral as seems comfortable. Followed by a treat of oats or carrots or apples or what ever they look forward to and that you have available. And continue at that level for the entire session. Til they actually look forward to hearing the shot for they associate it with treats. We would actually "call" our horses in from the range with a shot. They'd come a runnin' Hope this helps Itsaquain _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ------=_NextPart_000_6f85_49fa_4906 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:51:16 -0700 Received: from [198.60.22.7] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD6FD71D008540043149C63C16078CC00; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:49:55 -0700 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15j88R-0000FM-00 for hist_text-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:49:07 -0600 Received: from [207.141.26.9] (helo=whale.fsr.net ident=root) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15j88O-0000FH-00 for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:49:04 -0600 Received: from potlatch.com (pppl162.moscow.com [199.245.242.162]) by whale.fsr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14083 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:49:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bluethistle@potlatch.com) Message-ID: <3BA671EA.9020307@potlatch.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:58:02 -0500 From: Lee Newbill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire References: <3BA568E2.B5B16777@sourceoneinternet.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Lee wrote:
How have the list members with horses familiarize their mounts and
packstock with gunfire?
Wynn wrote:
Now I hope enough time has passed for me to post something completely
unrelated to the events of the last week without appearing insensitive
or uncaring.
Wynn...

This list has always been a sort of therapy for me.... It allows me to turn for a while from the cares of the world to a "quiet" spot in my mind.  I think it is good to talk of something else beside the tragedy of last week for a bit.

On horses and getting them used to gunfire... my concerns are with them just getting used to gunfire so they won't head for parts unknown when a gun is fired nearby.  Wouldn't think about trying to shoot off of the back of one.  The shooting platform they provide is too unstable, and I've heard too many stories of horses moving at the wrong time when the trigger was squeezed.... like raising their head into the muzzle of the gun... not pretty.

I did go out on Friday and work a bit with them.... fed 'em dinner and then sat and worked the trigger of my flinter... that went Ok... so I switched to dropping the hammer on the frizzen.... that didn't go so well with the big gelding, but the mare and the yearling stood for it.  I finally got the gelding to quit running everytime I dropped the hammer... so I tried a pinch of powder in the pan.  A very small pinch.  The first time it went well, no one even twitched... so I primed the pan normally and dropped the hammer again.  I guess the gelding wasn't looking the first time.  I thought I was going to have to replace about 30 feet of barbed wire fence, and spend the rest of the day patching the big guy up.  Fortunately, the fence held, and the gelding switched course after bouncing off the fence.

      
I'm not sure he'll ever get used to guns going off, at least not without a great deal more work. 
I'll have to try something different with him.  The rest of the horses don't seem to mind it much, which is a good thing.

Go in Peace

Lee Newbill of Idaho
- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_000_6f85_49fa_4906-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:23:23 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: MtMan-List: AMM-List: The Bush Doctrine Here's a plan that could work. I particularly like the Hammer of Thor. John... > > Subject: Fw: THE BUSH DOCTRINE > > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:01:38 -0700 > > > > THE BUSH DOCTRINE > > Subject: THE BUSH DOCTRINE > > > > > > THE BUSH DOCTRINE > > > > Jack Wheeler > > > > Freedom Research Foundation > > > > September 14, 2001 > > > > > > > > The "Reagan Doctrine" was the title the media > (first > > by Charles Krauthammer in the May 1, 1985 issue of > > Time Magazine) bestowed upon a strategy adopted by > > the Reagan White House to assault and destroy the > > entire structure of Soviet colonial imperialism. > > This strategy was successful. > > > > > > > > What is required now, in the wake of the September > > 11 atrocity, is a strategy to assault and destroy > > the entire structure of Moslem Terrorism. If > > adopted and put into action by President George W. > > Bush and his Administration, it would become known > > as the Bush Doctrine. > > > > > > > > Prior to the Reagan Doctrine, the strategy of the > > United States towards the Soviet Union was that of > > Containment developed by George Kennan. It was > > essentially a defensive policy, to "contain" > Soviet > > expansionism as much as possible and wait them > out. > > As the Soviets went on the imperial march during > the > > Vietnam-Watergate-Jimmy Carter 1970s, converting > 14 > > countries into Soviet colonies from > > Brazzaville-Congo in 1969 to Afghanistan in 1979, > > this policy was proven an abject failure. With > the > > election of Ronald Reagan in 1980, the possibility > > of an offensive strategy towards the Soviets > > emerged. The basic concept was to identify the > most > > vulnerable weaknesses of the Soviet Empire and > > actively pursue methods to exacerbate those > > weaknesses as much as possible. > > > > > > > > The goal of the Reagan Doctrine's architects (of > > which I was one) was clear: to rid the world of > > Soviet imperialism. We did not want peace with > the > > Soviet Union, we did not want to get along with > it, > > we were totally sick and tired of its murderous > > tyranny and threats to our existence, so we wanted > > it gone, eliminated, eradicated, and off the world > > map entirely. We looked upon the Soviets as we > did > > the Nazis. Just as the U.S. did not want to > > "contain" Nazi Germany but wanted - and got - > > victory over it, we did not want to "contain" the > > Soviet Union but wanted victory. So did Ronald > > Reagan. Because Ronald Reagan wanted victory, and > > had a clear, practical strategy to achieve it, we > > got it. The Soviet Union no longer exists. > America > > won the Cold War. > > > > > > > > President George W. Bush has announced that he and > > America will settle for nothing less than victory > > over Moslem Terrorism. This can only mean that > from > > now on we will not accommodate it, tolerate it, > > attempt to contain it, make excuses for it, nor > shy > > away from fighting it with lily-livered "we can't > > be ruthless or we're just as bad as them" drool. > > Further, it also means that President Bush must > put > > into action a specific blueprint -- a Bush > Doctrine > > -- for such a victory. > > > > > > > > The Bush Doctrine would be a comprehensive > strategy > > employing various kinds of tactics. Among them > > could be the following: > > > > > > > > a.. Arm the flight crews. Why do MTs (Moslem > > Terrorists) never hijack the planes of El Al (the > > Israeli airline)? It is because the flight crews > > (pilots and attendants) are armed and trained. > > Flight crews of US airlines are not allowed to be > > armed. This is a result of the "Victim > Disarmament" > > policy of the gun-control lobby. US flight crews > > aren't even permitted to carry pepper spray or > > tasers - either one of which could have > immobilized > > the September 11 hijackers. All flight attendants > > on US airlines should now be required to carry > > pepper spray or tasers and be trained in their > use. > > All pilots on US airlines should now be armed with > > guns and trained in their use. The ammo should be > > either frangible rounds or #12 birdshot shot > shells, > > which break up on contact so that a terrorist's > face > > would be blown off but the plane's fuselage or > > plastic windows won't be penetrated. We must make > > sure that an MT would be as terrified of trying to > > hijack an American plane as he would an Israeli > one. > > > > b.. Rescind the Presidential Executive Order > > prohibiting assassination. This is a necessary - > > repeat, necessary - condition for the defeat of > > Moslem Terrorism. The American Government must > now > > be in the assassination business. The operative > > word is "must." Individual MTs must be targeted > and > > personally killed. No trials, no "bringing them > to > > justice." The Anti-Terrorist Policy of the United > > States should be summed up in six words: HUNT > THEM > > DOWN AND KILL THEM. The Israelis have figured > this > > out. It's about time we do. President Bush can > > rescind the no-assassination EO with a stroke of > the > > pen; he does not need the permission of Congress. > > > What Congress can do, however, is: > > c.. Issue Letters of Marque. Article II, > Section > > 8, of the Constitution grants Congress the power > to > > "Declare War and Grant Letters of Marque and > > Reprisal." It goes without saying that there must > > be a formal Declaration of War against Moslem > > Terrorism by Congress. Beyond that, Congress > should > > issue documents of legal permission - "Letters of > > Marque" - to competent private organizations > > authorizing them to capture or terminate specific > > identified MTs. In other words, there should be > an > > official US Government list of MTs who are Wanted > > Dead or Alive, bounties in the millions of dollars > > placed on their heads, and private bounty hunters > > authorized with Letters of Marque to collect the > > rewards. There are a number of highly > professional > > "risk-management" companies, such as > > GlobalOperations in Washington DC, who are capable > > of fielding teams of ex-Delta Force and ex-Navy > SEAL > > commandos to perform this task. > > d.. Launch the Hammer of Thor. Despite the > > protestations of anti-missile defense types, full > > funding and rapid deployment of missile defense > > systems is now a given. Further, however, these > > systems must be quickly put to anti-terrorist > > purposes. High Energy Chemical Lasers (such as > the > > US Army's THEL, which has been successfully > tested) > > can be positioned in space to target individual > > terrorists. Small enough to be carried by a 747 > in > > flight or the Space Shuttle to be placed in orbit, > a > > HECL is essentially a rocket engine burning > special > > fuels such as deuterium/fluorine, with mirrors > > lasing the gases into focused infra-red energy. > The > > resultant coherent IR laser beam delivers roughly > > one pound of TNT energy for every one pound of > > rocket fuel at twenty pounds per fraction of a > > second. The beam diameter from orbit to ground is > > only a few feet, making extremely selective > > targeting possible. Hit by such a beam, all the > fat > > molecules in an individual terrorist's body would > be > > instantly vaporized in a pillar of fire, leaving > > only a small pile of charcoal and ashes as > residue. > > Terrorists would have to remain hidden in deep > > bunkers to prevent their vaporization, as the beam > > can penetrate vehicles and most buildings. Such a > > space-deployed anti-terrorist HECL system would > > appropriately be called The Hammer of Thor. > > > > > > These are a few examples of what elements the Bush > > Doctrine would contain. One unifying theme is > that > > of individual retaliation, not massive > retaliation. > > We do not need to level Baghdad or nuke Kabul. We > > do not need B52 strikes. That's so 20th Century. > > As President Bush has noted, this is the first war > > of the 21st Century - and it requires going after > > specific individuals, not groups, peoples, and > > cities. We need to kill Saddam Hussein > > individually, kill Osama bin Laden individually, > > kill every Taliban assisting Osama bin Laden, > kill > > every member of every cell of Osama bin Laden, > kill > > every member of Hezbollah, kill every Iranian > > government sponsor of Hezbollah, kill every member > > of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, kill every > Syrian > > government sponsor of the Palestinian Islamic > Jihad > > - all of them must be located, hunted down, > > targeted, and personally put to death. > > > > > > > > This requires not huge armies. This requires > > Special Operations teams of the various U.S. > > military services equipped and trained to target > > these individuals. This requires the private > > mobilization of those Americans who have the > skills > > and training, but no longer serve in the US Armed > > Forces, such as former SEALs, Marines, Rangers, > > Green Berets, Delta Force, and others. This > > requires the Pentagon Brass to focus their efforts > > and funding on Special Operations, rather than > > continuing to prepare for a land war in Europe. > > This requires a mammoth funding of HUMINT (human > > intelligence) resources for the CIA to provide > > reliable targeting information. And most of all > it > > requires of the American people to have the will > and > > the steel for such a struggle. This is a struggle > > that will not be won in the light of day, in > > glorious battle with the troops storming Mount > > Suribachi. It will be won in the darkness, with > > spies and assassins. The only way to win this > war, > > the way to destroy the entire structure of Moslem > > Terrorism, is to terrify the terrorists > > individually. > > > > > > > > What we must all keep in clear focus is that > America > > is not at war with Moslems, but with Moslem > > Terrorists. America is not at war with any > nation, > > nor with any ethnic, racial, or religious group, > but > > with individuals who have made a choice, a choice > to > > suffuse their souls with murderous, envious evil. > > These individuals have freely chosen to become our > > enemies. We now have no choice but to ensure that > > they suffer the mortal consequence of that choice. > > > That should be the essence of the Bush Doctrine. > > > > > > > > Jack Wheeler > > > > Freedom Research Foundation > > > > =A9copyright 2001 Dr. Jack Wheeler and the Freedom > > Research Foundation. > > > > =20 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 05:14:00 +0000 From: "darlene secondine" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM-List: The Bush Doctrine Thanks for sharing that letter with us John. The hammer of Thor would definitely make those terrorists think twice about screwing with the U.S. or any of our allies ever again. Don >From: John Kramer >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: ammlist@lists.xmission.com, hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: MtMan-List: AMM-List: The Bush Doctrine >Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:23:23 -0500 > >Here's a plan that could work. > >I particularly like the Hammer of Thor. > >John... > > > > Subject: Fw: THE BUSH DOCTRINE > > > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:01:38 -0700 > > > > > > THE BUSH DOCTRINE > > > Subject: THE BUSH DOCTRINE > > > > > > > > > THE BUSH DOCTRINE > > > > > > Jack Wheeler > > > > > > Freedom Research Foundation > > > > > > September 14, 2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > The "Reagan Doctrine" was the title the media > > (first > > > by Charles Krauthammer in the May 1, 1985 issue of > > > Time Magazine) bestowed upon a strategy adopted by > > > the Reagan White House to assault and destroy the > > > entire structure of Soviet colonial imperialism. > > > This strategy was successful. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is required now, in the wake of the September > > > 11 atrocity, is a strategy to assault and destroy > > > the entire structure of Moslem Terrorism. If > > > adopted and put into action by President George W. > > > Bush and his Administration, it would become known > > > as the Bush Doctrine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Prior to the Reagan Doctrine, the strategy of the > > > United States towards the Soviet Union was that of > > > Containment developed by George Kennan. It was > > > essentially a defensive policy, to "contain" > > Soviet > > > expansionism as much as possible and wait them > > out. > > > As the Soviets went on the imperial march during > > the > > > Vietnam-Watergate-Jimmy Carter 1970s, converting > > 14 > > > countries into Soviet colonies from > > > Brazzaville-Congo in 1969 to Afghanistan in 1979, > > > this policy was proven an abject failure. With > > the > > > election of Ronald Reagan in 1980, the possibility > > > of an offensive strategy towards the Soviets > > > emerged. The basic concept was to identify the > > most > > > vulnerable weaknesses of the Soviet Empire and > > > actively pursue methods to exacerbate those > > > weaknesses as much as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > The goal of the Reagan Doctrine's architects (of > > > which I was one) was clear: to rid the world of > > > Soviet imperialism. We did not want peace with > > the > > > Soviet Union, we did not want to get along with > > it, > > > we were totally sick and tired of its murderous > > > tyranny and threats to our existence, so we wanted > > > it gone, eliminated, eradicated, and off the world > > > map entirely. We looked upon the Soviets as we > > did > > > the Nazis. Just as the U.S. did not want to > > > "contain" Nazi Germany but wanted - and got - > > > victory over it, we did not want to "contain" the > > > Soviet Union but wanted victory. So did Ronald > > > Reagan. Because Ronald Reagan wanted victory, and > > > had a clear, practical strategy to achieve it, we > > > got it. The Soviet Union no longer exists. > > America > > > won the Cold War. > > > > > > > > > > > > President George W. Bush has announced that he and > > > America will settle for nothing less than victory > > > over Moslem Terrorism. This can only mean that > > from > > > now on we will not accommodate it, tolerate it, > > > attempt to contain it, make excuses for it, nor > > shy > > > away from fighting it with lily-livered "we can't > > > be ruthless or we're just as bad as them" drool. > > > Further, it also means that President Bush must > > put > > > into action a specific blueprint -- a Bush > > Doctrine > > > -- for such a victory. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Bush Doctrine would be a comprehensive > > strategy > > > employing various kinds of tactics. Among them > > > could be the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. Arm the flight crews. Why do MTs (Moslem > > > Terrorists) never hijack the planes of El Al (the > > > Israeli airline)? It is because the flight crews > > > (pilots and attendants) are armed and trained. > > > Flight crews of US airlines are not allowed to be > > > armed. This is a result of the "Victim > > Disarmament" > > > policy of the gun-control lobby. US flight crews > > > aren't even permitted to carry pepper spray or > > > tasers - either one of which could have > > immobilized > > > the September 11 hijackers. All flight attendants > > > on US airlines should now be required to carry > > > pepper spray or tasers and be trained in their > > use. > > > All pilots on US airlines should now be armed with > > > guns and trained in their use. The ammo should be > > > either frangible rounds or #12 birdshot shot > > shells, > > > which break up on contact so that a terrorist's > > face > > > would be blown off but the plane's fuselage or > > > plastic windows won't be penetrated. We must make > > > sure that an MT would be as terrified of trying to > > > hijack an American plane as he would an Israeli > > one. > > > > > > b.. Rescind the Presidential Executive Order > > > prohibiting assassination. This is a necessary - > > > repeat, necessary - condition for the defeat of > > > Moslem Terrorism. The American Government must > > now > > > be in the assassination business. The operative > > > word is "must." Individual MTs must be targeted > > and > > > personally killed. No trials, no "bringing them > > to > > > justice." The Anti-Terrorist Policy of the United > > > States should be summed up in six words: HUNT > > THEM > > > DOWN AND KILL THEM. The Israelis have figured > > this > > > out. It's about time we do. President Bush can > > > rescind the no-assassination EO with a stroke of > > the > > > pen; he does not need the permission of Congress. > > > > > What Congress can do, however, is: > > > c.. Issue Letters of Marque. Article II, > > Section > > > 8, of the Constitution grants Congress the power > > to > > > "Declare War and Grant Letters of Marque and > > > Reprisal." It goes without saying that there must > > > be a formal Declaration of War against Moslem > > > Terrorism by Congress. Beyond that, Congress > > should > > > issue documents of legal permission - "Letters of > > > Marque" - to competent private organizations > > > authorizing them to capture or terminate specific > > > identified MTs. In other words, there should be > > an > > > official US Government list of MTs who are Wanted > > > Dead or Alive, bounties in the millions of dollars > > > placed on their heads, and private bounty hunters > > > authorized with Letters of Marque to collect the > > > rewards. There are a number of highly > > professional > > > "risk-management" companies, such as > > > GlobalOperations in Washington DC, who are capable > > > of fielding teams of ex-Delta Force and ex-Navy > > SEAL > > > commandos to perform this task. > > > d.. Launch the Hammer of Thor. Despite the > > > protestations of anti-missile defense types, full > > > funding and rapid deployment of missile defense > > > systems is now a given. Further, however, these > > > systems must be quickly put to anti-terrorist > > > purposes. High Energy Chemical Lasers (such as > > the > > > US Army's THEL, which has been successfully > > tested) > > > can be positioned in space to target individual > > > terrorists. Small enough to be carried by a 747 > > in > > > flight or the Space Shuttle to be placed in orbit, > > a > > > HECL is essentially a rocket engine burning > > special > > > fuels such as deuterium/fluorine, with mirrors > > > lasing the gases into focused infra-red energy. > > The > > > resultant coherent IR laser beam delivers roughly > > > one pound of TNT energy for every one pound of > > > rocket fuel at twenty pounds per fraction of a > > > second. The beam diameter from orbit to ground is > > > only a few feet, making extremely selective > > > targeting possible. Hit by such a beam, all the > > fat > > > molecules in an individual terrorist's body would > > be > > > instantly vaporized in a pillar of fire, leaving > > > only a small pile of charcoal and ashes as > > residue. > > > Terrorists would have to remain hidden in deep > > > bunkers to prevent their vaporization, as the beam > > > can penetrate vehicles and most buildings. Such a > > > space-deployed anti-terrorist HECL system would > > > appropriately be called The Hammer of Thor. > > > > > > > > > These are a few examples of what elements the Bush > > > Doctrine would contain. One unifying theme is > > that > > > of individual retaliation, not massive > > retaliation. > > > We do not need to level Baghdad or nuke Kabul. We > > > do not need B52 strikes. That's so 20th Century. > > > As President Bush has noted, this is the first war > > > of the 21st Century - and it requires going after > > > specific individuals, not groups, peoples, and > > > cities. We need to kill Saddam Hussein > > > individually, kill Osama bin Laden individually, > > > kill every Taliban assisting Osama bin Laden, > > kill > > > every member of every cell of Osama bin Laden, > > kill > > > every member of Hezbollah, kill every Iranian > > > government sponsor of Hezbollah, kill every member > > > of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, kill every > > Syrian > > > government sponsor of the Palestinian Islamic > > Jihad > > > - all of them must be located, hunted down, > > > targeted, and personally put to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > This requires not huge armies. This requires > > > Special Operations teams of the various U.S. > > > military services equipped and trained to target > > > these individuals. This requires the private > > > mobilization of those Americans who have the > > skills > > > and training, but no longer serve in the US Armed > > > Forces, such as former SEALs, Marines, Rangers, > > > Green Berets, Delta Force, and others. This > > > requires the Pentagon Brass to focus their efforts > > > and funding on Special Operations, rather than > > > continuing to prepare for a land war in Europe. > > > This requires a mammoth funding of HUMINT (human > > > intelligence) resources for the CIA to provide > > > reliable targeting information. And most of all > > it > > > requires of the American people to have the will > > and > > > the steel for such a struggle. This is a struggle > > > that will not be won in the light of day, in > > > glorious battle with the troops storming Mount > > > Suribachi. It will be won in the darkness, with > > > spies and assassins. The only way to win this > > war, > > > the way to destroy the entire structure of Moslem > > > Terrorism, is to terrify the terrorists > > > individually. > > > > > > > > > > > > What we must all keep in clear focus is that > > America > > > is not at war with Moslems, but with Moslem > > > Terrorists. America is not at war with any > > nation, > > > nor with any ethnic, racial, or religious group, > > but > > > with individuals who have made a choice, a choice > > to > > > suffuse their souls with murderous, envious evil. > > > These individuals have freely chosen to become our > > > enemies. We now have no choice but to ensure that > > > they suffer the mortal consequence of that choice. > > > > > That should be the essence of the Bush Doctrine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack Wheeler > > > > > > Freedom Research Foundation > > > > > > ©copyright 2001 Dr. Jack Wheeler and the Freedom > > > Research Foundation. > > > > > > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #865 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.