From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #871 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, October 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 871 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: dictionary -       Re: MtMan-List: dictionary -       MtMan-List: 19cWoman list -       MtMan-List: NASA -       MtMan-List: Bodice reminder -       Re: MtMan-List: NASA -       MtMan-List: J.P.Gemmer Ramp Sight? -       Re: MtMan-List: NASA -       Re: MtMan-List: J.P.Gemmer Ramp Sight? -       MtMan-List: FW: Fishing pole & Real -       MtMan-List: Historical Question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:49:24 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: dictionary Would someone please post the url for that 1823 dictionary. Thanks. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:34:11 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: dictionary Here ya go Frank... www.christiantech.com and here's the link Websters 1828 Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 09:59:10 -0600 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: MtMan-List: 19cWoman list Here's a friendly reminder to listmembers about the standing invitation to join my list, 19cWoman@yahoogroups.com. As the name suggests, this list focuses on women in the 19th Century. Suitable topics for discussion include period literature, manners and deportment, costume, social standards, historic recipes, child care, and anything else relating to 19th century women of all stations and nationalities. We already have over 150 members, and have had some fascinating discussions, ranging from bed gowns in the 19th century, to 19c male impersonators, to the proper preparation and use of hair rats! This list is modelled on the highly successful 18cWoman list at yahoogroups.com, which has been a source of information and inspiration for the last two years. Like 18cWoman, 19cWoman expects listmembers to be civil and remain on topic. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/19cWoman/join Thank you. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred List-owner, 19cWoman - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:43:59 -0500 From: "Glenn Darilek" Subject: MtMan-List: NASA Is the following just another way to burn tax dollars? What physical remnant could possibly be sensed from space that could identify a site as a 200-year-old camp site? And if something was detected, what would distinguish it as a Lewis and Clark campsite rather than that of some other trappers? >JACKSON, Miss. (AP) - The Lewis and Clark expedition was a two-year journey into a new frontier that >helped put the West on the map. Now NASA is trying to do the same for the historic trek. >Scientists are using high-resolution satellite images to help pinpoint and map possible camp sites along the >trail of the expedition, which is approaching its 200th anniversary. . . . . >Color is extremely important in locating historic sites. For example, a slight difference in the shade of wheat in >a large field may indicate the location of an outpost. Yeah right -- or more likely where the fertilizer sprayer sputtered a little. Glenn Darilek Iron Burner - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:25:06 -0600 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: MtMan-List: Bodice reminder Since things seem mighty slow, here's a friendly reminder regarding what has been labelled the BFH or "Bodice from Hell", aka the "French Bodice". Most of you guys know what I mean, I'm sure, but for those who don't, here's a picture of it: http://www.jastown.com/womens/fbodice.htm And here's its equally disreputable cousin, the "English Bodice": http://www.jastown.com/womens/ebodice.htm You see these garments so often that it's easy to be fooled into thinking that they're fully documented. Unfortunately, nothing can be further from the truth. An article that neatly sums up the problems with the BFH can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/18cWoman/files/BAR-Courier-articles/mythbodc.html (You may have to join the 18cWoman list to read this article; to do so, go to www.groups.yahoo.com/group/18cWoman/join and follow the instructions, then look up the article under the 18cWoman 'files' heading.) To summarize Ingrid's article, the BFH isn't jumps (it isn't boned), and it isn't a waistcoat (hasn't got the right styling), is often made in the wrong fabric, and even if it *were* correct, it would be considered underwear, and not worn in public. I know a lot of folks use the fall & winter to get their clothes & other gear ready for next season; here's one garment which you needn't waste your time on, if you're interested in historically accurate costuming. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:44:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Sega Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NASA - --- Glenn Darilek wrote: > Is the following just another way to burn tax > dollars? Probably not as many dollars as you might think. The sattelites weren't launched for this reason, but they can be used for many different things. Once the film is shot for a USGS survey, for instance, the data may be shared with archaeologists and no real hard dollars are spent specifically for this task. I'm not certain that this was the case, but it is a common occurence that discoveries are made in one scientific field while looking for something else in another. What physical > remnant could possibly be sensed from space that > could identify a site as a > 200-year-old camp site? Aerial and sattelite imagery can be used to determine soil composition via infrared film. High concentrations of carbon and wood will show up as different wavelengths on developed film. We have used similar techniques, not as sophisticated, and can identify plant species just by analysing the film. However, it is not intended to replace hard evidence and digging, just another tool. > detected, what would > distinguish it as a Lewis and Clark campsite rather > than that of some other > trappers? It wouldn't, but it narrows the search, and archaeologists can then investigate likely sites with traditional methods. But unlesss they find something they know for certain is of the L&C exp. They will just have another campsite dated to the period in question, or possibly just some discolored dirt. > >JACKSON, Miss. (AP) - ................................... in locating historic > sites. For example, a > slight difference in the shade of wheat in >a large > field may indicate the > location of an outpost. > > Yeah right -- or more likely where the fertilizer > sprayer sputtered a > little. If they take film of the same spot during different seasons, and years, it is quite easy to determine if the feature is permanent or "fertilizer" C'mon Ironburner, arent you the least bit curious? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 03:01:04 +0000 From: "darlene secondine" Subject: MtMan-List: J.P.Gemmer Ramp Sight? Howdy fellows, Does anybody have a J.P. Gemmer elevation ramp sight made by the late Dutch Schillinger of Wichita, Kansas for sale? If so, please contact me off list. Thank you kindly, Don Secondine _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:01:47 -0500 From: Lee Newbill Subject: Re: MtMan-List: NASA Glenn Darilek wrote:
Is the following just another way to burn tax dollars?  What physical
remnant could possibly be sensed from space that could identify a site as a
200-year-old camp site?
Hallo Glenn

Nope... it's the real deal.  This is the same technology that has pinpointed Mayan ruins and other interesting sites.  As far as I know, there is no way for the space jockeys to figger out if it's a Lewis & Clark camp, or another camp of similiar time frame.  They find "possible" sites, and then they send in folks on the ground to check the sites.

Regards

Lee Newbill of Idaho
- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:33:39 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: J.P.Gemmer Ramp Sight? don believe the people at track of the wolf or one of their vendors took one of his sights and used it as a model for a mold---also l & R has one but not like shillingers reont of the sight different---see page 272 of the track catalog----the jp gemner sight is also refered to as a hawken rear sight as a couple of hawkens have them on them and as you know gemner bought out the hawken shop and even stamped hawken on a few rifles---befor they got to putting gemner on them---gemner bought into the hawken business in 1962 if i am not mistaken---old man shillinger hachined his sights out of stock as you well know and they were works of art---I have 3 guns with his locks in them ---the ones with the short throw---I built a hawken for erwin davis and he has a shillinger lock and a sight on his gun just like the one you are looking for---I may have one in the shop will dig around but the one i have may be browned because i took it off of a rifle ---will drop you a offline if i find it if not jog my memory in a couple of days offline and i'll let you know if i find it---I know i have one of the track ones around--- one other place to possibly find one is from Don Steith in vergenia---he builds a few hawkens and even has his version of a kit he has his own castings for trigger guard and butplate and breech plug---taken from his original he has---the guard is thinner than most and the bow is slightly bigger than the ones you normally see---the butplate is thinner and smaller than most of them on the market today ---don's e-mail address is - ---- ONTARGETS@aol.com ----he is a close friend of mine so tell him i told you to drop him a line---bet if anyone has a shillinger it will be him or me---I had a half dozen of them but may have used them up---I still have one set of cherry corners hawken triggers--- if you need hawken parts get with me off line or give me a call--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 07:33:03 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: MtMan-List: FW: Fishing pole & Real - ---------- From: "Ole B. Jensen" To: Bill Cunningham , Allen Hall <> , Billy Keith , Larry Price , Lynn Stokes , Brad Freeze , dean rudy , John Kramer , Ronald Schroter , Ferrell Peterson , Rick Williams , Ken Stanley , Randy Bublitz , Tom Balastat , Mike Branin , Richard Ashburn Subject: Fishing pole & Real Date: Wed, Oct 3, 2001, 7:30 AM Hello the camp, Does anyone know where I can get a replica real and pole for the period around 1830? YMOS Ole # 718 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:29:33 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Historical Question A topic came up at work that we are searching for an answer for. Does anyone know when the United States adopted the Bald Eagle for it's National Symbol? Also, why and when? Thanks! Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #871 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.