From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #872 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, October 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 872 In this issue: - Re: MtMan-List: Historical Question - Re: MtMan-List: Historical Question - Re: MtMan-List: dictionary - MtMan-List: historical question - MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:44:09 -0700 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Historical Question Try this site..... http://www.baldeagleinfo.com/eagle/eagle9.html Hope this helps! Colleen - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Historical Question > A topic came up at work that we are searching for an answer > for. Does anyone know when the United States adopted the > Bald Eagle for it's National Symbol? Also, why and when? > Thanks! > > Traphand > Rick Petzoldt > Traphand@aol.com > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:07:15 EDT From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Historical Question - --part1_b0.1b3f6897.28ed1043_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe the other option, proposed by Ben Franklin, was a turkey.. - --part1_b0.1b3f6897.28ed1043_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe the other option, proposed by Ben Franklin, was a turkey.. - --part1_b0.1b3f6897.28ed1043_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 19:36:45 -0600 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: Re: MtMan-List: dictionary Boy, I seem to be just brimming with friendly reminders this week! :-) The 1828 Webster's link, and others, are on the Bookmarks page of the backup to this list, MtMan@yahoogroups.com. To join, just go to www.groups.yahoo.com/group/MtMan/join and follow the easy instructions. Anyone can add a bookmark, it's just that I've been the only one interested enough to do so thus far. Your friendly reminder, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:21:43 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: historical question Rick Petzold asked, Rick, I believe that some readings about the post-Revolution will answer all your questions. Ben Franklin was a big part of that issue. There were those who wanted the wild turkey as our national (bird) symbol. I don't know if Ben was pro or anti-turkey. But those involved ended up with the bald eagle. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 21:38:28 -0600 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire This might be more appropriate off list but it may stimulate some conversations or be of interest to others who may not be familiar with horses. Mr Newbill I have been thinking a bit about your gelding. Of course I do not know how advanced he is in his training but from your descriptions of his wild behavior under a little stress I wonder if he needs to be sacked out. I will ramble a bit about sacking out, please do not be offended if you already know this stuff, I do not mean to insult your intelligence but you or others might find the information helpful. The principle of sacking out is in part to desensitize the horse to sudden movements, noises, big objects, etc. The other part is to teach the horse what behaviors are acceptable when they are stressed while in your presence. There are articles and books that give better details than I will one of them is my latest find which is written by Charles O Williamson. I recently worked my baby mule using methods similar to his descriptions. She is not especially concerned with boogie monsters so it went pretty well. I put her in a small rickety old corral (less than ideal). Putting the beginning touches on by teaching her to accept being petted all over and handled was started shortly after she hit the ground for the first time so now that she is a two year old its old hat, but after putting a good bosal on with a couple wraps taken off to make it plenty loose and the reins shortened to act like a fiador and keep it from pulling off her nose. I asked her to lunge around in a circle. After a couple of rounds I said “whoa” just like I do when I am riding. Then I flicked the lead rope a couple of times to slap the bosal against her jaw and nose. Waiting for a response after each flick until she planted her feet. Then I approached her and petted her and talked real nice. Then we repeated it again until she understood going either way that whoa meant to plant them feet. After that I started petting all over and then petting all over with my hat (which is pretty scary). Then a saddle blanket and finally an old blind that was handy, it was big and noisy and stiff (even tied it on her and let her walk around with it on her back). During it all I insisted she stand still, unless otherwise directed to move, by saying whoa if she looked to move and used the bosal to reinforce it. I would start gently and work up to more wild antics. I would also frequently stop and pet and talk nice to her and let her move around. Then back to work. It is ok if she was worried about this stuff but not ok if she bolted etc.. This sort of training may be very helpful with your gelding who sounds pretty worried about things. Remember to never use an object you are using as a scary stimuli to hurt the horse. That only proves it should be feared. I used a hide that Rick Williams was dehairing to work a three year old at nationals. When I was finished he was enjoying the rubbing. Being away from his herd he never did settle down like his ussual self but he remained manageable and did not throw me a mile high in front of everyone. But I would never have been able to ride him into the whiskey tent and light a cigar before shooting my way back out, like some famous/infamous horseman have been known to do. So there is still work to do. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #872 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.