From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #879 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, October 26 2001 Volume 01 : Number 879 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Excursion -       Re: MtMan-List: Horseflesh & Excursions -       Re: MtMan-List: A computer at a Rendezvous ! -       MtMan-List: RMFT/NATIVE AMERICAN/HOOF CARE -       MtMan-List: Fwd: FW: [discoveryexpedition] A light has gone out -       MtMan-List: Horseflesh & Excursions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:11:58 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Excursion At 05:08 PM 10/23/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Lesson 3: When having this much fun in the wilds always do so in the >very best of company. >(See Allen I got at least one thing right last weekend!) > >Wynn Ormond Why Wynn, you truly did shine this weekend. You're a fine trapping partner. And heck, it could have been bad ropes on the packing part of the deal................ Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:29:30 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horseflesh & Excursions - --part1_12f.6771ff2.2908628a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn sorry I miss the camp would have loved to see you and your Mule getting a long so well. Lee This what I do when dealing with a pack horse. First off I carry a short barrel Rifle 32". (less to get hung up) I use a sling and wear it on my back and no I haven't been pulled of my horse yet. Be careful and aware of it and no problem. Second if the pack horse is not pulling back much you can take one wrap around the horn with the lead rope and tuck the tail end under your thigh. If the pack horse does pull back all you have to do is let the rope go from under your thigh and there won't be a wreck. This has worked well for me. If ya got a good pack horse that will keep it place in line ya don't need a lead rope let it have it's head. It ain't going to leave the other horses but this should only be done with a horse you can trust and only when the trail is safe to do so. see ya on the trail Crazy Cyot - --part1_12f.6771ff2.2908628a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn
sorry I miss the camp would have loved to see you and your Mule getting a long so well.

Lee
This what I do when dealing with a pack horse. First off I carry a short barrel Rifle 32".
(less to get hung up) I use a sling and wear it on my back and no I haven't been pulled of my horse yet. Be careful and aware of it and no problem.
Second if the pack horse is not pulling back much you can take one wrap around the horn with the lead rope and tuck the tail end under your thigh. If the pack horse does pull back all you have to do is let the rope go from under your thigh and there won't be a wreck. This has worked well for me.
If ya got a good pack horse that will keep it place in line ya don't need a lead rope let it have it's head. It ain't going to leave the other horses but this should only be done with a horse you can trust and only when the trail is safe to do so.
see ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot - --part1_12f.6771ff2.2908628a_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:13:33 -0600 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A computer at a Rendezvous ! I will get to work on my Lady Ada Lovelace impression immediately! ;-) Your humble computer-obsessed servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:04:04 -0400 From: "DAVID ALBAUGH" Subject: MtMan-List: RMFT/NATIVE AMERICAN/HOOF CARE THANKS, To all who responded to my question about hoof care. I "blew-out" my biceps, techincally "ruptured my biceps at the insertion". I was unloading some big pine saw logs from the p.u. and well surgery on Fri. I can't even curl my 8cup coffe pot, I had to try, but not as much pain as you would expect, although the initial popping, ripping, and tearing with blinding white light was rather exquisite, then the drive to the hospital-1) I was alone at the time, 2) I never buy trucks with automatics, was creative. We're getting a little snow today in the U.P. of Michigan today, can you tell I'm already bored. I'm going to catch up on my reading. Thanks again, YMHOS Dave, AMM (injured reserve)1736 AUX ALIMENTS DU PAYS _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:28:31 EDT From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: FW: [discoveryexpedition] A light has gone out - --part1_54.1cf47c05.290a94cf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - --part1_54.1cf47c05.290a94cf_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (rly-yc02.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.34]) by air-yc04.mail.aol.com (v81.9) with ESMTP id MAILINYC43-1025172754; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:27:54 -0400 Received: from mail.yhti.net (ppp086018.yhti.net [207.41.86.18]) by rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (v81.9) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYC25-1025172737; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:27:37 -0400 Received: from [204.214.12.17] (ppp012017.yhti.net [204.214.12.17]) by mail.yhti.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25228; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:20:41 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:22:04 -0700 Subject: FW: [discoveryexpedition] A light has gone out From: David Hommes To: Jim Davis , Crosby Brown , Rick Petzdolt Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <89.de5d45d.2908e8aa@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) - ---------- From: pgeeryktj1@aol.com Reply-To: discoveryexpedition@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:01:46 EDT To: discoveryexpedition@yahoogroups.com Subject: [discoveryexpedition] A light has gone out Dear friends, This night at about 10pm, our founder Mr. Glennon Bishop passed on to his God. Glenn was an inspiration to all of us. He shared his dream and his vision, and in doing so, gave light, energy, and excitement to many of us who traveled on the rivers in the name of Lewis and Clark. Glenn's dedication to his dream, and his ability to be willing to share his dream with all of us made him unique among men. We have all lost a friend and a guide who showed us how men should live. He was a peaceful and friendly man, who genuinely liked people. He will be missed. I do not have any information regarding funeral arrangements, but will let you all know as soon as I know. Glenn will not be with us as we fulfill his dream, but I am sure, he will be completing the voyage with us. Peter Geery Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ - --part1_54.1cf47c05.290a94cf_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:55:50 -0600 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Horseflesh & Excursions Mr Newbill wrote: On another note... what do folks do with the flinter when your handling reins, and packhorse leadrope. I tried tying it muzzle down on the left side of the pommel. That worked Ok, but maybe there's something better? Mr Hanson shows a leather holder that hooks to the saddle horn and holds the rifle perpendicular across the saddle. I made one and it worked alright but even though you can turn it quite a ways I still worried about getting sideways between trees. Also I still had to babysit it. Next, Miller shows a horseman crossing a bog by holding his rifle cradled against his chest. This worked real well when things are exciting but it still leaves you one handed. Some of the guys I have ridden with just deal with it and let it set across their laps when traveling. There is a couple pictures in Kurtz stuff with rifles in “cloth” scabbards including one that shows a sling that circles around both shoulders, rifle in rear, hanging cross ways about shoulder blade height. I have stared and stared at that pic trying to figure out how that guy keeps that thing from becoming a death trap. If it slide down it would pin both arms to your side. One of Millers pictures shows two trappers making serious time (Blackfeet I think) and one of them is carrying his rifle barrel down on a sling over his shoulder. On a ride with Rick Palmer he warned me that putting the sling crosswise over the shoulders can be dangerous because he knew of someone that others here on the list may be able to name who was thrown and landed flat on his back breaking the stock when he landed on it. Not to mention what it did to his back. So I tried hauling mine just hanging down from the left shoulder, but it still caused plenty of problems requiring babysitting and beating the hell out of me at a gallop. So when I expect to have my hands full–pack horse/s, young mount, rough terrain, speed– I have gone back to hanging the smoke pole across my shoulders with the barrel generally down by my left leg. If I tense up jus right it locks it in place and I can go to work without it bothering me to much. I have never tried your idea of tying to the saddle. I would be to worried that unless it was well protected by a heavy scabbard it would take a beating. I have not seen any evidence for heavy scabbards until later time frames but they must have had some way of carrying extra rifles for trade, spares etc. Another idea I have read and seen is using a short saddle gun, generally, smooth bore. The Indians in Catlins painting sawed them off real short. Maybe some day I will spend the money and join them, even if it does seem kinda like cheating. Unless of course you would be willing to carry that gun when hunting big game and/or your life depended on it . That is my two cents. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #879 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.