From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #893 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, November 26 2001 Volume 01 : Number 893 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: turtle bags -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags -       MtMan-List: Events in the Northwest -       Re: MtMan-List: Events in the Northwest -       Re: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags -       MtMan-List: Whitetail vs. Mule Deer -       Re: MtMan-List: Whitetail vs. Mule Deer -       MtMan-List: Glass mountain -       Re: MtMan-List: Glass mountain -       Re: MtMan-List: Glass mountain -       Re: MtMan-List: Glass mountain -       Re: MtMan-List: Glass mountain -       MtMan-List: contact request ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:02:51 -0800 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: turtle bags S. Gilbert said, <. Everyone "was told" they were correct by someone else or a vendor.> Sadly, there was once a time when one could build an outfit based on personal observation and oral tradition. Now, it seems, that one must carry a library of 'documentation' to even be allowed on the grounds of some pre-1840 events. Even then your clothes and camp might be scorned because they do not fit someones notion of what an RMFT trappers camp and dress might/should have been. That there were styles, equipage and an America other than the Rockies is denied by some and scorned by others. I suggest you do what you wish, within the bounds of what your observations and common sense dictate. Continue seeking advice from others, and learning on your own, but weigh the soundness of what you are told. If someone is openly critical of what you are doing, most likely that person is not one you would want to count among your friends. Build the turtle bag and let your niece enjoy. Good luck. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:22:17 -0500 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags S. Gilbert, I can honestly say that I do not know of documentation other than seeing one worn on Dr. Quinn medicine woman. I have however made many and carried them to a variety of rendezvous down here in Georgia. Only responses that were made of them was how nice they were. I think I remember seeing one in the local Cherokee museum in Bartow Co. Georgia. Good Luck, Frank V. Rago - ----- Original Message ----- From: S. Gilbert To: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:46 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags > Hallo the List, > > I need help. My 7 year old niece has started going to events with us and is > very enthusiastic. She is helping make her own kit and clothes. She wants > a turtle shell bag, having seen several being carried/worn by others. I > cannot find any documentation for these things and the folks I asked who had > them could not document them. Everyone "was told" they were correct by > someone else or a vendor. > We are trying to start her out right and teach the need for documentation. > She has gone through all my books and suggested I ask you all, as she has > seen me reading all the posts and help you have provided. > Christmas is coming and she wants a bag. Help! > > Sue Gilbert > 6 Beaver Camp > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:46:11 -0500 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags - --------------6DDFF89F954C5D0AD12F0B5B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, why are we perpetuating a very non documented item? Too many turtles have given their lives for this item. [Image] There have been turtle shells used for cups and bowls, but have not seen a one in the museums that was made into a bag in the 18th or 19th. cent. But, have I ever seen them at Rendezoux. [Image] Make the shell into a cup she can drink out of and make sure you bleach it out real good. Then make her a leather pouch to hang from her belt that will be more to "period" and I also do not mean one out of the fur skins either. Linda Holley Ikon@mindspring.com wrote: > S. Gilbert, > > I can honestly say that I do not know of documentation other than seeing one > worn on Dr. Quinn medicine woman. > > I have however made many and carried them to a variety of rendezvous down > here in Georgia. Only responses that were made of them was how nice they > were. I think I remember seeing one in the local Cherokee museum in Bartow > Co. Georgia. > > Good Luck, > > Frank V. Rago > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S. Gilbert > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:46 AM > Subject: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags > > > Hallo the List, > > > > I need help. My 7 year old niece has started going to events with us and > is > > very enthusiastic. She is helping make her own kit and clothes. She > wants > > a turtle shell bag, having seen several being carried/worn by others. I > > cannot find any documentation for these things and the folks I asked who > had > > them could not document them. Everyone "was told" they were correct by > > someone else or a vendor. > > We are trying to start her out right and teach the need for documentation. > > She has gone through all my books and suggested I ask you all, as she has > > seen me reading all the posts and help you have provided. > > Christmas is coming and she wants a bag. Help! > > > > Sue Gilbert > > 6 Beaver Camp > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --------------6DDFF89F954C5D0AD12F0B5B Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------C4A757EE09B8B682FAC75D99" - --------------C4A757EE09B8B682FAC75D99 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, why are we perpetuating a very non documented item?  Too many turtles have given their lives for this item.  There have been turtle shells used for cups and bowls, but have not seen a one in the museums that was made into a bag in the 18th or 19th. cent.  But, have I ever seen them at Rendezoux.  Make the shell into a cup she can drink out of and make sure you bleach it out real good.  Then make her a leather pouch to hang from her belt that will be more to "period" and I also do not mean one out of the fur skins either.

Linda Holley

Ikon@mindspring.com wrote:

S. Gilbert,

I can honestly say that I do not know of documentation other than seeing one
worn on Dr. Quinn medicine woman.

I have however made many and carried them to a variety of rendezvous down
here in Georgia.  Only responses that were made of them was how nice they
were.  I think I remember seeing one in the local Cherokee museum in Bartow
Co. Georgia.

Good Luck,

Frank V. Rago

----- Original Message -----
From: S. Gilbert <sgilbert@avalon.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:46 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags

> Hallo the List,
>
> I need help.  My 7 year old niece has started going to events with us and
is
> very enthusiastic.  She is helping make her own kit and clothes.  She
wants
> a turtle shell bag, having seen several being carried/worn by others.  I
> cannot find any documentation for these things and the folks I asked who
had
> them could not document them.  Everyone "was told" they were correct by
> someone else or a vendor.
> We are trying to start her out right and teach the need for documentation.
> She has gone through all my books and suggested I ask you all, as she has
> seen me reading all the posts and help you have provided.
> Christmas is coming and she wants a bag.  Help!
>
> Sue Gilbert
> 6 Beaver Camp
>
>
>
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The ornately decorated rattles, hand painted and adorned with feathers, beads and other shells were filled with dried corn kernels, and would also be used as dance sticks or ceremonial rattles. (She indicated that this is still done today....) Apparently her GGM had learned this art in her childhood. As this was close to 50 years ago, and her GGM was 90+ at the time, it's nearing the period. Though none of these are documented as far as I know, from her description the baby rattle/dance stick are close in design to a bag, so the idea wouldn't be very far-fetched. To aid in your search, here are a couple of links to people that make and/or sell Turtle bags. Keep in mind that they are SELLING, so press for sources of primary documentation, etc. Maybe you could spend some time online with your Niece watching; teaching her how to do some research with you by her side. It may be frustrating if you don't find the necessary documentation, but would be a valuable learning experience for your Niece. Hope this is of some help. Barney Manataka American Indian Council TWO BEARS- LEATHER, TURTLE AND MORE! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:00:56 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags Sue, I for one commend you on your efforts to teach you niece to do research from the get go. If more people would do like wise and teach the young kids and beginners to start out correctly, then eventually there would be fewer folks out there portraying the "fantasy" mountain man. Be safe and continue to base your decisions on facts and not fantasy. "Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784 http://tetontodd.tripod.com On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:46:14 -0600 (CST) "S. Gilbert" writes: > Hallo the List, > > I need help. My 7 year old niece has started going to events with > us and is > very enthusiastic. She is helping make her own kit and clothes. > She wants > a turtle shell bag, having seen several being carried/worn by > others. I > cannot find any documentation for these things and the folks I asked > who had > them could not document them. Everyone "was told" they were correct > by > someone else or a vendor. > We are trying to start her out right and teach the need for > documentation. > She has gone through all my books and suggested I ask you all, as > she has > seen me reading all the posts and help you have provided. > Christmas is coming and she wants a bag. Help! > > Sue Gilbert > 6 Beaver Camp > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > "Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784 http://tetontodd.tripod.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:14:14 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags Todd Glover wrote : If more people would do like wise and teach the young kids and beginners to start out correctly, then eventually there would be fewer folks out there portraying the "fantasy" mountain man. >> AMEN ! ! ! ! Pendleton " Freedom has a flavor, the protected will never know . " - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:56:49 -0800 From: "Lee Newbill" Subject: MtMan-List: Events in the Northwest This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C175DA.8E22CC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo folks... just passing on some info on events of interest that = happen in the Pacific Northwest, they're also getting posted to the = website at http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle/bnb/ as they come in. Coeur D'Alene, Idaho Muzzleloader & Primitive Crafts Show for the year 2002 At the Fairgrounds 17-18 Feb 2002 Enumclaw, Washington Cascade Mt. Men's Annual Muzzleloader Arms & Pioneer Show At the King County Fairgrounds 9-10 March 2002 Bend, Oregon 2002 Pacific Primitve Rendezvous Send mail to: 67455 Cloverdale Rd., Bend Oregon 97701 Or call: (541) 382-2098 Tightball or (541) 863-4482 Uncle Bill = (Booshway) 21-30 June, Preregistration required by no later than June 1, 2002. Regards from Idaho Lee Newbill WPH Party - ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C175DA.8E22CC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hallo folks... just passing on some = info on events=20 of interest that happen in the Pacific Northwest, they're also getting = posted to=20 the website at http://users.potlatch= .com/bluethistle/bnb/ as=20 they come in.
 
Coeur D'Alene, Idaho
Muzzleloader &=20 Primitive Crafts Show for the year 2002
At = the=20 Fairgrounds
17-18 Feb 2002
 
Enumclaw, Washington
Cascade Mt. = Men's Annual=20 Muzzleloader Arms & Pioneer Show
At the = King=20 County Fairgrounds
9-10 March 2002
 
Bend, Oregon
2002 Pacific Primitve = Rendezvous
Send mail=20 to: 67455 Cloverdale Rd., Bend Oregon 97701
Or call: (541) = 382-2098 Tightball or (541) 863-4482 Uncle Bill = (Booshway)
21-30=20 June, Preregistration required by no later than June 1, = 2002.
 
Regards from Idaho
 
Lee Newbill
WPH Party
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Whups... fergot to send the website for = the Pacific=20 Primitive... it's at:
http= ://eddies.grrtech.com/rendezvous/ppr/Current/index.html
Bend, Oregon
2002 Pacific Primitve = Rendezvous
Send=20 mail to: 67455 Cloverdale Rd., Bend Oregon 97701
Or = call: (541)=20 382-2098 Tightball or (541) 863-4482 Uncle Bill = (Booshway)
21-30=20 June, Preregistration required by no later than June 1,=20 2002.
Regards from Idaho
 
Lee = Newbill
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C175DB.9F6F6590-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:28:22 -0800 (PST) From: mark scribner Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags Si Ya, Sue and Camp, So far as the use of the turtle shell goes, it has been in use by the Cherokee people sence before the arrival of the europeans. The shell of the turtle was used for every day utinsels, tobacco pouches, medicine bags, rattles, etc., as well as in ceremonies and rites of passage. The reason the shell was, and is, important to the Cherokee is that in the story of the creation of the earth, it was the turtle that swam down below the water to bring back mud from the bottom to be dried by the wings of the buzzard to create solid ground for all creatures to walk on. By using the turtle shell in every day use, the user is reminded of how the turtle helped in the creation of mother earth and reminds the user of it's closeness to the creator. For more information on the use of turtle shells, you might try the book "The Cherokee People" By; Thomas E. Mails or others at your public library. Should you chose to use the shell of the turtle for your niece's kit, please pass on the story to her so that she may wear it with reverance and pride. Wa do, Gray Bear Top Warrior Deer (A-Whi) Clan Over-Hill Cherokee Nation - --- Ikon@mindspring.com wrote: > S. Gilbert, > > I can honestly say that I do not know of > documentation other than seeing one > worn on Dr. Quinn medicine woman. > > I have however made many and carried them to a > variety of rendezvous down > here in Georgia. Only responses that were made of > them was how nice they > were. I think I remember seeing one in the local > Cherokee museum in Bartow > Co. Georgia. > > Good Luck, > > Frank V. Rago > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S. Gilbert > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:46 AM > Subject: MtMan-List: Question about turtle bags > > > > Hallo the List, > > > > I need help. My 7 year old niece has started > going to events with us and > is > > very enthusiastic. She is helping make her own > kit and clothes. She > wants > > a turtle shell bag, having seen several being > carried/worn by others. I > > cannot find any documentation for these things and > the folks I asked who > had > > them could not document them. Everyone "was told" > they were correct by > > someone else or a vendor. > > We are trying to start her out right and teach the > need for documentation. > > She has gone through all my books and suggested I > ask you all, as she has > > seen me reading all the posts and help you have > provided. > > Christmas is coming and she wants a bag. Help! > > > > Sue Gilbert > > 6 Beaver Camp > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:48:56 -0700 From: Allen Hall Subject: MtMan-List: Whitetail vs. Mule Deer Hello the List, A friend (?) dropped off 3 white tail deer hides a while back, and as I fleshed them out over a beam, I saw the hair was slipping, so I went ahead and de-haired them as well. My question is this, has anyone noted any big difference in brain tanning white tail hides vs. mule deer hides? We mostly get mule deer out here in the West, and my experience has been with them. I'd like to hear other folks thoughts. Allen out in Fort Hall country - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:27:14 -0500 From: "Tim Jewell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Whitetail vs. Mule Deer - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Hall" > My question is this, has anyone noted any big difference in brain tanning > white tail hides vs. mule deer hides? > > We mostly get mule deer out here in the West, and my experience has been > with them. I'd like to hear other folks thoughts. Allen, Hereabouts in Maryland we only have whitetail so I can't make a direct comparison. That said, I have brain tanned several whitetail hides using the "standard" method and have had pretty good luck. I used info. off this list and from the braintan.com website. Ie: dehair, mash brains, work into hide, roll hide and let sit, lace it in a frame and work your a** off rubbing until dry. Tim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:31:29 -0700 From: "Bill Klesinger" Subject: MtMan-List: Glass mountain This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1765D.2073CA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a story about Jim Bridger he is a hunting and finds a Glass mountain. dose anyone have a link to this story. And is there such a mountain ? Bill Klesinger - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1765D.2073CA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There = is a story=20 about Jim Bridger he is a hunting and finds a Glass mountain. dose = anyone have a=20 link to this story. And is there such a mountain ?

Bill Klesinger

 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1765D.2073CA60-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:22:40 -0800 From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Glass mountain This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C1765B.E592F700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, Sorry, I don't have a link or book to reference but the story has basis = in fact. There are a number of "glass" mountains around the volcanic = west. There's one in Yellowstone National Park, (which may be the one = Bridger is referring to and I'm not sure that Colter didn't see it too) = which is really an obsidian "cliff face" and then there is the one in = Central Or. SSE of Bend. It is a part of Volcano National Monument and = is more of an outpouring of chunks of Black Obsidian in the face of a = jumbled lava flow. I doubt that Bridger saw that particular spot but I = admit that I am not sure. But yes there are such "mountains" though they are not a solid mountain = of glass but large outcrops of obsidian which is very glass like in the = purest forms. Sorry I don't have more specific info for you. Capt. Lahti' - ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C1765B.E592F700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
 
Sorry, I don't have a link or book to = reference but=20 the story has basis in fact. There are a number of "glass" mountains = around the=20 volcanic west. There's one in Yellowstone National Park, (which may be = the one=20 Bridger is referring to and I'm not sure that Colter didn't see it too) = which is=20 really an obsidian "cliff face"  and then there is the one in = Central Or.=20 SSE of Bend. It is a part of Volcano National Monument and is more of an = outpouring of chunks of Black Obsidian in the face of a jumbled lava = flow. I=20 doubt that Bridger saw that particular spot but I admit that I am not=20 sure.
 
But yes there are such "mountains" = though they are=20 not a solid mountain of glass but large outcrops of obsidian which is = very glass=20 like in the purest forms. Sorry I don't have more specific info for=20 you.
 
Capt. Lahti'
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C1765B.E592F700-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:23:13 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Glass mountain Bill, Here's a link to the California trail, but I haven't found the link to the story yet. IIRC, this is an area through which Bridger traveled on his way to Southern California. This 'Glass Mountain' is located near Modoc, California, and like many of the others is made of Obsidian, formed from a volcanic flow. Barney GORP - Glass Mountain - Native Californian Trails - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:43:26 EST From: TEXASLAZYB@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Glass mountain I don't know of a link but the story is that Bridger was looking for meat when he saw an elk grazing in a beaver park. He got off his horse and crept within shooting distance. Taking a good rest he shot. The elk not only didn't fall, he didnt run or look up. The elk acted as if he hadn't heard the shot. Bridger crept closer and shot again with the same results. Finally in desperation he ran at the elk intending to kill it with his knife. He ran smack into an invisible mountain made entirely of glass. Looking on the ground Bridger saw dead birds that had flown into the mountain and fallen to the ground. The shape of the mountain was such that it magnified the image of the elk which was actually 25 miles away. If you find a link with this story I'd like to have it. Cheers, Blue Lodge - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:46:46 +0000 From: "darlene secondine" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Glass mountain Howdy Fellas, If I remember right, Ol' Gabe said he saw a elk and kept shootin' and missin' 'cause it appeared to be closer than it really was through the glass mountain. Now.....Most Obsidian is black and kinda hard to look through. How was he so sure it was a Elk? Heck, it might have been a buffalo! I don't know, Don >From: "rtlahti" >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Glass mountain >Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:22:40 -0800 > >Bill, > >Sorry, I don't have a link or book to reference but the story has basis in >fact. There are a number of "glass" mountains around the volcanic west. >There's one in Yellowstone National Park, (which may be the one Bridger is >referring to and I'm not sure that Colter didn't see it too) which is >really an obsidian "cliff face" and then there is the one in Central Or. >SSE of Bend. It is a part of Volcano National Monument and is more of an >outpouring of chunks of Black Obsidian in the face of a jumbled lava flow. >I doubt that Bridger saw that particular spot but I admit that I am not >sure. > >But yes there are such "mountains" though they are not a solid mountain of >glass but large outcrops of obsidian which is very glass like in the purest >forms. Sorry I don't have more specific info for you. > >Capt. Lahti' > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:20:31 -0800 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: contact request Would Lanney Ratliff please e-write me off-digest again? But before you do, scan your computer for viruses. The first post you sent me had the '32' virus and I deleted without reading. Thanks, Frank Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #893 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.