From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #896 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, December 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 896 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Hunting shirts -       Re :MtMan-List: "Metis" ??? -       Re: MtMan-List: Hunting shirts -       MtMan-List: metis?? -       Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton -       MtMan-List: Bitteroot timber sale -       Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton -       Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton -       Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:33:08 -0700 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Hunting shirts I may be jumping the gun but now that I have three hides brained I am getting excited about making a buckskin hunting shirt. So I am looking for suggestions or tips. For those of you who have already made one what would you do different? Is it important to keep all the hides with the head in the same position before cutting out or is it alright to rotate the leather? How many strands of lenin thread are best to sew with? Or should I use artificial sinew? (Sorry I just couldn’t resist that one.) Sorry to say but this wont be the last time you will here about this project. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:41:51 -0700 From: Angela Gottfred Subject: Re :MtMan-List: "Metis" ??? > How do you pronounce it ??? > Is it me tis,like the moon of Mars, or ma-tees ?? I always flub & say may-TEE, but wiser heads and my Canadian Oxford Dictionary both say it's properly pronounced MAY-tee (think "matey"). I'm jealous about your Alfred Silver books--I was hoping to try some over Christmas holidays, but both Amazon.com and Chapters.indigo.ca say that all his titles are temporarily unavailable. *sigh* Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:20:03 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hunting shirts Wynn wrote ; Or should I use artificial sinew? (Sorry I just couldn't resist that one.) >>Ye Gads ! ! ! Wynn, It is very important to run the hides all in the same direction, because the skins will stretch differently in different directions. It's usually best to have the head end of the hide at the top of the garment. Good luck ! Pendleton " Freedom has a flavor, the protected will never know . " - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:25:50 -0700 From: "Terrance Luff" Subject: MtMan-List: metis?? I would have to agree with angela on metis. on the state side metis the history books and societies show and say to say May Tee. some of the native amer say may tis. in some case's metis will say Ma Chif , this seems to be a tutle mountain chipewa metis. most of your authors use that word to identify the metis language. your books by alfred silver are realy good on metis history. i have often used the statement silver and terry johnsons comparson, with metis history forms. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 07:03:51 -0700 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton Wynn, What delightful books Ruxton's are. Many researchers use his books for some of thier work, but lately one part of his writting has come to their attention, how he records his subjects conversations. Some people think that the style he uses when having his people talk in his books is exagerated. And that what they were really using was a southren slang. I don't know. His books were made to be read for the enjoyment of his audiences and probably not for any historical research. I enjoy his writing and feel that he has done alot to promote the west as it was- wild and adventureous. His death is what I think a tragic ending to a rich lived life (he died in St.Louis, on his was back to a place he loved, the americn west). Another writer who share the same time frame and adventures (and style) is Francis Parkman. If you have not read any of his, try it. mike. p.s. I live on the northern edge of where he traveled and it is always a good adventure to retrace his steps here! Gretchen Ormond wrote: > I have been reading Ruxton’s Wild Life in the Rocky Mountains down > loaded from Dean’s wonderful site. I find myself curious about what > brought Ruxton to Mexico and why he went to the mountains. Also how > long afterward did he write his story dwon? Other than he was there in > 1846-47 instead of pre 1840 is there any other weaknesses to his > accounts? In short does anyone have some information about Ruxton? > > Wynn Ormond > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 10:16:47 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg Subject: MtMan-List: Bitteroot timber sale 1. BITTERROOT: ADMINISTRATION TRYING TO SLAM THE DOOR ON PUBLIC PARTICIPATION The Chief of the Forest Service is working behind the scenes with the Bush Administration to eliminate the public appeals process on the largest timber sale pending in the country -- a proposed 181 million board feet salvage logging timber sale on the Bitterroot National Forest in western Montana. Please contact Forest Service Chief Dale Bosworth and tell him to follow the law and retain the appeals process for the Bitterroot and all other national forest projects: http://www.wilderness.org/takeaction/?step=2&item=883 BACKGROUND In November 2001, Chief Bosworth asked Mark Rey, the under-secretary of Agriculture who oversees the Forest Service, to co-sign the decision on the Bitterroot. If Rey signs the decision, it would eliminate the opportunity for the 2,500 people and organizations who commented on the timber sale to file any appeals. This salvage logging sale would be the largest in Forest Service history, and allows for more timber to be pulled from the Bitterroot than was taken off the Forest in the last 15 years combined. **But having Rey sign the decision would also set a terrible precedent, potentially allowing the Forest Service to avoid appeals of controversial decisions *anywhere* on our country's National Forests.** TAKE ACTION Please write Chief Bosworth by December 9 from http://www.wilderness.org/takeaction/?step=2&item=883 and ask him to: - - Withdraw his request that Agriculture Under-Secretary Mark Rey sign the Record of Decision on the Bitterroot Burn Area Recovery Plan. - - Not circumvent the Forest Service appeals process. Send your comments to: Forest Service Chief Dale Bosworth c/o Forest Service Northern Region Public and Governmental Relations P.O. Box 7669, Missoula, MT 59807 EMAIL: emc@fs.fed.us FAX: 202-205-8517 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 02:11:08 EST From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton Read Lewis Garrard's Wah-To-Yah and the Taos Trail. He wrote about the same places at the same point in time. His nearly identical descriptions of mountain man idiom should put to rest any notions about Ruxton having made-up their speech. Comparing Ruxton's non-fiction stuff with Garrard's book makes for a fascinating and telling picture of the southern Plains and Rockies in the mid-40s, John R. Sweet - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 05:59:18 -0800 From: JW Stephens Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton A good look at the whole subject of the mountain man lingo is: The Mountain Man Vernacular: Its Historical Roots, Its Linguistic Nature, and Its Literary Uses; by Richard C. Poulsen; Peter Lang Publishing, Inc., New York 1985; ISBN 0-8204-0197-8. B'st'rd - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:52:33 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ruxton That's what i was gonna say! Todd > A good look at the whole subject of the mountain man lingo is: > > The Mountain Man Vernacular: Its Historical Roots, Its Linguistic > Nature, and Its Literary Uses; by Richard C. Poulsen; Peter Lang > Publishing, Inc., New York 1985; ISBN 0-8204-0197-8. > > B'st'rd > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > "Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784 http://tetontodd.tripod.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #896 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.