From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #925 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, January 7 2002 Volume 01 : Number 925 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Re:a few understand, most do not care too! -       Re: MtMan-List: a few understand, most do not care too! -       MtMan-List: Footwear/Saddles -       Re: MtMan-List: surcingles -       Re: MtMan-List: surcingles -       MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot" -       Re: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot" -       =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20MtMan-List:=20"The=20Great=20Buffallo=20Shoot"?= -       Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20MtMan-List:=20"The=20Great=20Buffallo=20Shoot"?= -       Re: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot" -       Re: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot" -       Re: MtMan-List: restoring lanolin to wool -       Fw: MtMan-List: restoring lanolin to wool ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:27:16 -0700 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Re:a few understand, most do not care too! Paul W Jones wrote: > > > Some say he is from Dillon, Mt. I have been told that his last name is or > might be Soule, but that is still subject to some further digging. Of all the lies I have heard he/she/it claim to, being from Montana has got to be at the top of the list. Surely the good men in Montana would never allow for such bad manners. I believe any man who spoke as badly of those men's wives and mothers as he has of ours would not be capable of typing would he? It would be a pleasure to get on the ground with him. Wynn Ormond Sorry I will go back to ingoring him. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 17:55:41 -0600 From: Todd Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a few understand, most do not care too! Same here. This guy's a typical troll. They thrive on the "attention" they get from their annoying posts. I just added him to my auto-delete rules, and I won't have ot worry about him. Todd Missouri Territory At 12:58 PM 1/6/02 -0500, you wrote: >PErsonally, I am going to block him from my email server... then I don't >have to even use the DELETE key... > >Ad Miller >Alderson, WV > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 17:38:13 -0700 From: Allen Hall Subject: MtMan-List: Footwear/Saddles At 10:12 AM 1/6/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Frank, > >One of our AMM list members makes some excellent boots. These vendors usually do not market their own products on the discussion groups, so we will do it for them. I hope Bob doesn't mind, but try contacting Bob Schmidt: bobschimidt@cybernet1.com, he may be able to help you out. > >Bead Shooter I'd also like to add that Bob makes some very fine saddles that are period correct and comfortable to ride. Allen - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:15:09 -0700 From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles Ole; those dimensions you gave for a surcingle sound alot like a horse hair cinch. to bad you sold it. those are pricey to get a hold of. Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ole B. Jensen" To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles > Clay/Tom > I sold a surcingle made of Horse Hair about 5 years ago. I figured it was > cavelry in oregin made around the 1870's about 28" lond with 5" iron rings > in both ends. > YMOS > Ole # 718 > ---------- > >From: "Clay J. Landry" > >To: > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles > >Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2002, 8:58 AM > > > > >Tom > > > >Cotton or hemp webbing would be period materials--based on what I have seen > >in the Grimsley ledgers. I have also encountered some Indian wars cavalry > >re-enactors using a surcingle made from webbing with-just as you described- > >a roller buckle, leather billet that tapered down to 2 inches to fit through > >the roller buckle. The buckle was also attached via a leather strap. Their > >webbing was 4 inch cotton duck and dyed blue. Evidently there are purveyors > >of period Indian wars cavalry tack that sell this item. > > > >Clay Landry > >Moorhead MT > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Thomas Ballstaedt > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:10 AM > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles > > > > > >> webbing sounds like a damn good idea for a surcingle. Its cheaper, less > >> bulky and would likely breath a lot better. mine is made out of leather > >and > >> is pretty near 7' or 8' long, and it used to slip back of the girth and > >gall > >> the horses belly till I put a little loop on the bottom of my cinch. I > >> could see a nice strip of cotton webbing with a roller buckle and 2 > >leather > >> billets neatly stitched to the ends. I believe I'm going to have a go at > >> one, thanks Clay! for mentioning that. > >> Tom > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Clay J. Landry" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 12:20 PM > >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles > >> > >> > >> > Jerry > >> > > >> > A surcingle (spelled numerous ways in the trade ledgers of the Rocky > >> > Mountain fur trade) was a large belt 3 to 4 inches wide-Grimsley made > >them > >> > from webbing or leather- that was strapped around the saddle and the > >> > horse/mule to further secure the saddle. They passed trhough the saddle > >> seat > >> > and around the grith of the horse/mule. Based on the drawings and art > >work > >> > of Alfred Jacob Miller the mountaineers used a surcingle to hold the > >> > ephismore -a piece of buffalo robe used to cover the saddle-in place. If > >> you > >> > study the military horse equipment books done by Randy Steffen you will > >> see > >> > that a surcingle was used over the military saddles from the early > >> dragoons > >> > clear into late Indian wars period. > >> > > >> > Clay Landry > >> > Moorhead MT > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:43 PM > >> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Center Fire Saddles > >> > > >> > > >> > > Clay, > >> > > > >> > > Good to hear from you. As far as the Jed Smith reference, Tom Nichols > >> > made > >> > > my saddle. He is a Brother here in California and that is what he > >told > >> > me. > >> > > I should see him in March at the Mission Doings and will specifically > >> ask > >> > > him for the reference at that time. I know it is not in his Journal, > >> "The > >> > > Southwest Expedition of Jedediah S. Smith, His Personal Account of the > >> > > Journey to California, 1826-1827" or I missed it when I read it. > >> > > > >> > > As far as the sircingle, I have never used one because although I > >recall > >> > > hearing the term, I can't remember where I saw it and don't remember > >> > exactly > >> > > what it is. Is it a type of breast collar or something different? > >> > Actually > >> > > after getting used to my saddle (about 4 years ago) I have not had any > >> > > problem with it slipping anymore. That was more when I first started > >> > riding > >> > > it. I also use a couple of blankets and that seems to have fixed the > >> > > problem with slipping. Tell me more about the sircingle, though. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks and Best Regards, > >> > > > >> > > Jerry Zaslow #1488 > >> > > > >> > > >> > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ > >> > ____ > >> > > > >> > > At 09:41 PM 01/03/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >> > > >Jerry > >> > > > > >> > > >Have you ever tried to stabilize that center fire saddle with a > >> > sircingle? A > >> > > >sircingle was a very common item as it appears is just about all of > >the > >> > > >inventories and trade goods lists that I have studied --- I wonder if > >> > this > >> > > >extra strap helped hold those light center fire saddles in position. > >> > > > > >> > > >Can you direct me to the source of the "description of a saddle Jed > >> Smith > >> > > >acquired in California in 1826 or 27" ?? I am always looking for > >first > >> > > >person descriptions of fur trade saddles. > >> > > > > >> > > >Clay Landry > >> > > >Moorhead MT > >> > > >----- Original Message ----- > >> > > >From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow > >> > > >To: > >> > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:19 PM > >> > > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Center Fire Saddles > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> Dog, > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I ride a reproduction 1826 Gourd Horn Mexican Saddle. It is 3/4 > >> rigged > >> > > >and > >> > > >> was built based on a description of a saddle Jed Smith acquired in > >> > > >> California in 1826 or 27. It would slip all over the place if I > >> didn't > >> > > >use > >> > > >> an old style breast collar since it has no sheep skin underneath. > >> All > >> > of > >> > > >my > >> > > >> gear is period correct with the exception of the breast collar. I > >> > doubt > >> > > >> that it is but I will still use it anyway because it has kept the > >> > saddle > >> > > >> from slipping back to my horse's ass on many occasions. I ride in > >> some > >> > > >> really hilly country and it is a necessity. In the end, though, > >all > >> > the > >> > > >> breast collars in the world won't really matter if you don't have a > >> > good > >> > > >seat. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Best Regards, > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Jerry Zaslow #1488 > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >>__________________________________________________________________________ _ > >> > _ > >> > > >____ > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> ---------------------- > >> > > >> hist_text list info: > >> http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >---------------------- > >> > > >hist_text list info: > >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ---------------------- > >> > > hist_text list info: > >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ---------------------- > >> > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >> > >> > >> ---------------------- > >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:39:38 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles Tom, There use to be a lady in SLC that would make them if you gave her a horse hair rope for material. Ole - ---------- >From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles >Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2002, 6:15 PM > >Ole; > those dimensions you gave for a surcingle sound alot like a horse hair >cinch. to bad you sold it. those are pricey to get a hold of. >Tom >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ole B. Jensen" >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 9:29 AM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles > > >> Clay/Tom >> I sold a surcingle made of Horse Hair about 5 years ago. I figured it was >> cavelry in oregin made around the 1870's about 28" lond with 5" iron rings >> in both ends. >> YMOS >> Ole # 718 >> ---------- >> >From: "Clay J. Landry" >> >To: >> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles >> >Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2002, 8:58 AM >> > >> >> >Tom >> > >> >Cotton or hemp webbing would be period materials--based on what I have >seen >> >in the Grimsley ledgers. I have also encountered some Indian wars cavalry >> >re-enactors using a surcingle made from webbing with-just as you >described- >> >a roller buckle, leather billet that tapered down to 2 inches to fit >through >> >the roller buckle. The buckle was also attached via a leather strap. >Their >> >webbing was 4 inch cotton duck and dyed blue. Evidently there are >purveyors >> >of period Indian wars cavalry tack that sell this item. >> > >> >Clay Landry >> >Moorhead MT >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Thomas Ballstaedt >> >To: >> >Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:10 AM >> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles >> > >> > >> >> webbing sounds like a damn good idea for a surcingle. Its cheaper, >less >> >> bulky and would likely breath a lot better. mine is made out of >leather >> >and >> >> is pretty near 7' or 8' long, and it used to slip back of the girth and >> >gall >> >> the horses belly till I put a little loop on the bottom of my cinch. I >> >> could see a nice strip of cotton webbing with a roller buckle and 2 >> >leather >> >> billets neatly stitched to the ends. I believe I'm going to have a go >at >> >> one, thanks Clay! for mentioning that. >> >> Tom >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Clay J. Landry" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 12:20 PM >> >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles >> >> >> >> >> >> > Jerry >> >> > >> >> > A surcingle (spelled numerous ways in the trade ledgers of the Rocky >> >> > Mountain fur trade) was a large belt 3 to 4 inches wide-Grimsley made >> >them >> >> > from webbing or leather- that was strapped around the saddle and the >> >> > horse/mule to further secure the saddle. They passed trhough the >saddle >> >> seat >> >> > and around the grith of the horse/mule. Based on the drawings and art >> >work >> >> > of Alfred Jacob Miller the mountaineers used a surcingle to hold the >> >> > ephismore -a piece of buffalo robe used to cover the saddle-in place. >If >> >> you >> >> > study the military horse equipment books done by Randy Steffen you >will >> >> see >> >> > that a surcingle was used over the military saddles from the early >> >> dragoons >> >> > clear into late Indian wars period. >> >> > >> >> > Clay Landry >> >> > Moorhead MT >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow >> >> > To: >> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:43 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Center Fire Saddles >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Clay, >> >> > > >> >> > > Good to hear from you. As far as the Jed Smith reference, Tom >Nichols >> >> > made >> >> > > my saddle. He is a Brother here in California and that is what he >> >told >> >> > me. >> >> > > I should see him in March at the Mission Doings and will >specifically >> >> ask >> >> > > him for the reference at that time. I know it is not in his >Journal, >> >> "The >> >> > > Southwest Expedition of Jedediah S. Smith, His Personal Account of >the >> >> > > Journey to California, 1826-1827" or I missed it when I read it. >> >> > > >> >> > > As far as the sircingle, I have never used one because although I >> >recall >> >> > > hearing the term, I can't remember where I saw it and don't >remember >> >> > exactly >> >> > > what it is. Is it a type of breast collar or something different? >> >> > Actually >> >> > > after getting used to my saddle (about 4 years ago) I have not had >any >> >> > > problem with it slipping anymore. That was more when I first >started >> >> > riding >> >> > > it. I also use a couple of blankets and that seems to have fixed >the >> >> > > problem with slipping. Tell me more about the sircingle, though. >> >> > > >> >> > > Thanks and Best Regards, >> >> > > >> >> > > Jerry Zaslow #1488 >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >>___________________________________________________________________________ >_ >> >> > ____ >> >> > > >> >> > > At 09:41 PM 01/03/2002 -0700, you wrote: >> >> > > >Jerry >> >> > > > >> >> > > >Have you ever tried to stabilize that center fire saddle with a >> >> > sircingle? A >> >> > > >sircingle was a very common item as it appears is just about all >of >> >the >> >> > > >inventories and trade goods lists that I have studied --- I wonder >if >> >> > this >> >> > > >extra strap helped hold those light center fire saddles in >position. >> >> > > > >> >> > > >Can you direct me to the source of the "description of a saddle >Jed >> >> Smith >> >> > > >acquired in California in 1826 or 27" ?? I am always looking for >> >first >> >> > > >person descriptions of fur trade saddles. >> >> > > > >> >> > > >Clay Landry >> >> > > >Moorhead MT >> >> > > >----- Original Message ----- >> >> > > >From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow >> >> > > >To: >> >> > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:19 PM >> >> > > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Center Fire Saddles >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> Dog, >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> I ride a reproduction 1826 Gourd Horn Mexican Saddle. It is 3/4 >> >> rigged >> >> > > >and >> >> > > >> was built based on a description of a saddle Jed Smith acquired >in >> >> > > >> California in 1826 or 27. It would slip all over the place if I >> >> didn't >> >> > > >use >> >> > > >> an old style breast collar since it has no sheep skin >underneath. >> >> All >> >> > of >> >> > > >my >> >> > > >> gear is period correct with the exception of the breast collar. >I >> >> > doubt >> >> > > >> that it is but I will still use it anyway because it has kept >the >> >> > saddle >> >> > > >> from slipping back to my horse's ass on many occasions. I ride >in >> >> some >> >> > > >> really hilly country and it is a necessity. In the end, though, >> >all >> >> > the >> >> > > >> breast collars in the world won't really matter if you don't >have a >> >> > good >> >> > > >seat. >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> Best Regards, >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> Jerry Zaslow #1488 >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >>>__________________________________________________________________________ >_ >> >> > _ >> >> > > >____ >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> ---------------------- >> >> > > >> hist_text list info: >> >> http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >---------------------- >> >> > > >hist_text list info: >> >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > ---------------------- >> >> > > hist_text list info: >> >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ---------------------- >> >> > hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------- >> >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > >> > >> >---------------------- >> >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:05:30 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot" Klahowya boys, Figuring the baby Blacktail wouldn't feed my tribe fer a week, let alone a winter, Kamosuk Poo (Gene Hickman) and I hooked up a bit North of the National Bison Range in Montana, and shot a couple bulls with our muzzle loaders. Mine was about a 700lb yearling that went under with one .62cal round ball to the heart, from my Tulle , and Genes fell with two, double lung shots, from his 1803 Harpers Ferry! The jpg of my critter is a bit large, but I will reduce the size when I have more time. I've got to flesh and salt the hide in the morning, and then it's off to Wes Housler to have it brain tanned.....it'll make a beautiful robe. More details of the "Great Buffalo Shoot" are to follow.... Magpie bpbuff.jpg http://members.aol.com/swcushing/bpbuff.jpg - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:40:00 -0800 From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot" Magpie, Congratulations. I knew if you kept shooting you'd hit something big. BTW, I could open the second link fine but the first one just won't open. Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 7:05 PM Subject: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot" > Klahowya boys, > > Figuring the baby Blacktail wouldn't feed my tribe fer a week, let alone a > winter, Kamosuk Poo (Gene Hickman) and I hooked up a bit North of the > National Bison Range in Montana, and shot a couple bulls with our muzzle > loaders. Mine was about a 700lb yearling that went under with one .62cal > round ball to the heart, from my Tulle , and Genes fell with two, double lung > shots, from his 1803 Harpers Ferry! > > The jpg of my critter is a bit large, but I will reduce the size when I have > more time. I've got to flesh and salt the hide in the morning, and then it's > off to Wes Housler to have it brain tanned.....it'll make a beautiful robe. > > More details of the "Great Buffalo Shoot" are to follow.... > Magpie > > bpbuff.jpg > http://members.aol.com/swcushing/bpbuff.jpg > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:00:17 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20MtMan-List:=20"The=20Great=20Buffallo=20Shoot"?= In a message dated 1/6/02 8:32:44 PM, rtlahti@msn.com writes: << Congratulations. I knew if you kept shooting you'd hit something big. BTW, I could open the second link fine but the first one just won't open. Capt. Lahti' >> Thanks Capt..... The heart on them critters are a pretty big target, eve= n=20 at 30 yards, off a knee.=20 Interesting the first "hypertext" wouldn't work for you. It should have come= =20 up as a blue text, that I get by dragging the "favorite places icon" on to=20 the email.....then just double click, and the page comes up....works for som= e. You boys gonna camp over here for the Gresham show? Think I might have a hum= p=20 steak or two around... actually 3-4 hundred pounds of prime buffalo. Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:14:50 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20MtMan-List:=20"The=20Great=20Buffallo=20Shoot"?= Steve, Sure would like a bit o' buff jerk at the National in May to celebrate! Teton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:49:27 -0800 From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot" Thanks Capt..... The heart on them critters are a pretty big target, even at 30 yards, off a knee. Magpie, You done fin son. I knew that sneak'in stuff I taught you would work out some day. Got mighty close for that fine shot. I'm not sure but I think it's the " marks and such that mess it up for me. If I clear them and some other punctuation marks away then I can open it but it is the same picture as the first. Our plan for now is to come to your place Friday night like last year. Clawpapa has pretty much made up his mind to come, I think Kevan Bowen is coming and probably Duncanson but I haven't heard from anyone else and Taos hasn't made a firm commitment yet. I got to come to the show for no other reason than Ric Tabor is bringing me a big sheet of copper to play with. Nuff of this on line, we'll make our plans off line cause I got to send you our Mid Winter Report so's you know what we plan for the year. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:17:10 EST From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot" In a message dated 1/6/02 10:07:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, SWcushing@aol.com writes: << Mine was about a 700lb yearling that went under with one .62cal round ball to the heart, from my Tulle >> Congratulations to you and GENE. Makes me feel all the better about deciding on a Tulle in the same caliber as you have (may I ask where you got yours?) Also, GENE!!! It would've only taken ONE Atl-atl dart!!! I hear those cane/bamboo darts fly pretty well!!! Course, you got to lull them into a sleep with a bamboo flute! Congrats on the buff kills!!! C. Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:35:57 -0600 From: jdearing Subject: Re: MtMan-List: restoring lanolin to wool At 10:12 AM 12/26/01 -0800, you wrote: >---> > > wilderness are of a peculiar kind, very thick and > > > almost impervious to water> > > > >in a conversation the other day with a member of > >our brigade, it came up that the wool blankets of that > >time had lanolin rich in there fibers. something > >pretty much removed in modern processing. this he > >said included the huds bay and whitney. he aluded to > >that one can add back the lanolin to bring back the > >watersheding effect. how one would do this i do not > >know at the moment. Sorry it took so long to respond, as I have been away for too long. I received this e-mail a while back with the information on reconditioning wool blankets. Be aware that I have not tried this, but it should work. The instructions are as follows; I have had success restoring lanolin to my woolen articles. At a health food outlet, I purchased some liquid castille soap (a pure non detergent type of soap made from vegetable oil), and some liquid lanolin. (They also had a paste form of lanolin, which I have also tried, with success.) I don't remember the exact formula which I used, but it was part HOT water, part lanolin, in a quart jar, covered. Shake. This warms up the lanolin and makes it thinner (it was pretty thick). Then I added a portion of the castille soap. Shake. By now it was a frothy mixture like a thin milk shake. Pour mixture into washing machine filled with warm water. Stir around. Add woolen articles. Wash on GENTLE cycle. Lay out cleaned and lanolin restored woolen articles on towels to dry. Worked great! If anyone does decide to try this out, let everyone know how it works. J.D. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:39:44 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: restoring lanolin to wool Ho the list, In his great book "Camping and Woodcraft" Horace Kephart addressed the process of restoring lanolin to wool....both in clothes and in blankets. He used anhydrous lanolin (as opposed to cosmetic lanolin which has a higher water content) which he dissolved in benzene or gasoline. Benzene is no longer available since it is a rather vigorous carcinogen, but gasoline is still available...at least in Texas. For a hot, rainy climate he used 4 ounces of lanolin to a gallon of gasoline, for average conditions in the temperate zone he used 3 ounces of lanolin, for cold climates or winter use exclusively he used 2 ounces to the gallon (stating that cold has a tendency to stiffen cloth that had been treated with a strong solution) He goes on to state that 3 ounces per gallon is best for blankets. To use "simply make a solution of anhydrous lanolin in benzene or gasoline, soak the garment in it about three minutes, wring out gently, stretch to shape, and hang up to dry, shifting position of garment frequently, until nearly dry, so that the lanolin will be evenly distributed" Kephart was a master camper and I have used many of his tips to good advantage. However, this little trick has a vast potential for disaster so if you decide to try it BE CAREFUL. Furthermore, I would strongly suggest that you not do this at all if She Who Must Be Obeyed has even a remote chance of hearing about it. You would enter family lore in the most permanent way imaginable. good luck Lanney Ratcliff ps: No Smoking - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jdearing" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:35 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: restoring lanolin to wool > At 10:12 AM 12/26/01 -0800, you wrote: > > >---> > > > wilderness are of a peculiar kind, very thick and > > > > almost impervious to water> > > > > > > >in a conversation the other day with a member of > > >our brigade, it came up that the wool blankets of that > > >time had lanolin rich in there fibers. something > > >pretty much removed in modern processing. this he > > >said included the huds bay and whitney. he aluded to > > >that one can add back the lanolin to bring back the > > >watersheding effect. how one would do this i do not > > >know at the moment. > > > Sorry it took so long to respond, as I have been away for too long. > > I received this e-mail a while back with the information on > reconditioning wool blankets. Be aware that I have not tried this, > but it should work. The instructions are as follows; > > I have had success restoring lanolin to my woolen articles. > At a health food outlet, I purchased some liquid castille soap (a pure non > detergent type of soap made from vegetable oil), and some liquid lanolin. > (They also had a paste form of lanolin, which I have also tried, with > success.) > > I don't remember the exact formula which I used, but it was part HOT water, > part lanolin, in a quart jar, covered. Shake. This warms up the lanolin and > makes it thinner (it was pretty thick). Then I added a portion of the castille > soap. Shake. By now it was a frothy mixture like a thin milk shake. > > Pour mixture into washing machine filled with warm water. Stir around. > Add woolen articles. Wash on GENTLE cycle. Lay out cleaned and lanolin > restored woolen articles on towels to dry. Worked great! > > If anyone does decide to try this out, let everyone know how it works. > J.D. > > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #925 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.