From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #929 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, January 17 2002 Volume 01 : Number 929 In this issue: -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: new tread - horses -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: a later day buckskinner -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: new tread - horses -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: a later day buckskinner -牋牋牋 Re: Sue MtMan-List: new tread - horses -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Riding a "Stallion" -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: looking for a ball mold -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: -horses of the fur trade & Stallion -牋牋牋 Re: Sue MtMan-List: new tread - horses -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: looking for a ball mold -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: looking for a ball mold -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: new tread - horses -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: French Dumplings -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: looking for a ball mold -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: French Dumplings -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: French Dumplings -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: a later day buckskinner -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Double Edge Forge -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: A Bawdy Tale -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: A Bawdy Tale -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Re: not historical just for grins, but true of how we all treat history at one time or another ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:37:05 -0700 From: "Ned Eddins" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new tread - horses This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C19E60.98546000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sue, I am changing internet companies and just found out my site will be off = line until later today or tomorrow...sorry. Ned=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C19E60.98546000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sue,

I am changing internet companies = and just=20 found out my site will be off line until later today or=20 tomorrow...sorry.

Ned

- ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C19E60.98546000-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:45:12 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: a later day buckskinner An interesting story in the March issue of Hunting Magazine about a fellow nicknamed Buckskin Bill who died in 1980. The story is by Grits Gresham and can be seen at: http://www.huntingmag.com/dynamic.asp?intSectionID=324&intArticleID=1762 Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:22:41 -0800 From: "SUE RAVEN" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new tread - horses

>From: "Ned Eddins"

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>To:

>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new tread - horses

>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:37:05 -0700

>Sue,

>I am changing internet companies and just found out my site will be off line until later today or tomorrow...sorry.

> Ned

Thank you Ned sweetie,

My brother, a trainer of horses for a decade, has said around the dinner table discussions that the morgan was a good mountain man's horse. He used to debate with Dad that the myth of the stallion used by trappers would have been both dangerous and have worn out the rider. Of course, many fiction based novels would have the public accepting this as contrary to many book's mythic enchantment. Have you ran across many references to stallions being rode?

Sue

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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:14:18 -0700 From: "BARRY CONNER" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a later day buckskinner Frank, There have been several books written about Sylvan Hart and dozen of articles about him and his life style on the Salmon River in Idaho, Dick "Keelboat" Whitmer (AMM brother, now gone to the other side with Sylvan) was a personal friend of Hart's, Dick showed me several muzzle loading pistols and a couple of knives that Sylvan had made and gave him. His work was not the neatest, but when one considers the working conditions and material he had at hand - then they where probably pretty darn good. Take care, Buck Conner "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" Thomas Jefferson 1771 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Fusco" To: "hist_text-digest" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: MtMan-List: a later day buckskinner > An interesting story in the March issue of Hunting Magazine about a > fellow nicknamed Buckskin Bill who died in 1980. The story is by Grits > Gresham and can be seen at: > http://www.huntingmag.com/dynamic.asp?intSectionID=324&intArticleID=1762 > > Frank G. Fusco > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:16:00 -0700 From: "Ned Eddins" Subject: Re: Sue MtMan-List: new tread - horses This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C19EA0.B47C8560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have not found any specific reference to the use of stallions by = Mountain Men. The Spanish explorers preferred to ride stallions, but I = think for the Indian, or the Mountain Man, they would have created real = problems. Except for the pack trains from St.Louis and the trapper = brigades to a new area, I am not sure how much horses were used. Once = the trapper was in the area he wanted to trap, horses would have been = more of a liability that an asset. Ned - ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C19EA0.B47C8560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have not found any specific reference = to the use=20 of stallions by Mountain Men. The Spanish explorers preferred to = ride=20 stallions, but I think for the Indian, or the Mountain Man, they would = have=20 created real problems. Except for the pack trains from St.Louis and = the=20 trapper brigades to a new area, I am not sure how much horses were used. = Once=20 the trapper was in the area he wanted to trap, horses would have been = more of a=20 liability that an asset.

Ned

- ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C19EA0.B47C8560-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:32:20 EST From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Riding a "Stallion" <> I don't know about any record of mountain man riding "Stallions" but I have to agree with the potential for a dangerous ride. My wife and I ride horses in company (Fox Hunting with Hounds) and Stallions are not appreciated in the hunt field. All it takes is one mare in season to create all kinds of havok. You just can't believe what it is like to have a Stallion (read that stud) try to mount the horse you are on. And when they (Mare and Stallion) get wind of each other they can be quite noisey which might attract unwanted attention from others. Another problem can occur if you get two or more stallions together as they need to establish alph domanance and that can get to be a mess on a picket line. So if it were me I would ride a mare or a gelding and leave the stallions out on the range. Y.M.O.S. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:16:04 -0800 From: "De Santis, Nick" Subject: MtMan-List: looking for a ball mold Sorry if this is not the place for this, but I am having a time finding a .520 round ball mold. Anybody got a idea? Thanks, Nick - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:28:23 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: -horses of the fur trade & Stallion - --part1_119.b08a981.297782b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ned said: (I have not run across any reference to Mountain Men using other than Indian horses until horses and mules were used to bring supplies to the rendezvous) Ned if you mean Spanish Barbs when you say Indian horses were used by the Mountain Men your absolutely right. But even after horses and mules were used to bring supplies to the Rendezvous they were most likely to be of Spanish Barb blood lines. For the stock that was used was out of St. Louis. Which was getting most of there stock out of Santa Fe. and Taos area. Why even the Missouri Mule early beginnings came out of the Santa Fe area. During the fur trade there was a lot of Horse trading and stealing going on in California. With the horses all headed for the Rockies. Read about Ewing Young, Jedediah Smith, Peg leg Smith, Beckworth and Walker just to name a few the men that engaged in this trade at one time or another. These horses too were of the Spanish Barb Blood. As for Stallions being used well I haven't read of any being used. But I haven't read of them not being used ether. Them Indians sure did have a lot of horses for not having any Studs around. (BG) I have used a Spanish Barb Stud on a couple of four and five day rides with a mix bunch of horses. With little to no problems. In fact I had him at the AMM Nationals this year. Course he is a good horse and you have to be aware of what your ridding at all times. So I think it would depend on the horse and ones ability to handle it. If it's a problem fix it! I also think a horse was used at all times. Trapping or whenever for if you were without a horse you were on hard times. Just my two Cents worth. See ya on the trail. Crazy Cyot - --part1_119.b08a981.297782b7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ned said:
(I have not run across any reference to Mountain Men using other than Indian horses until horses and mules were used to bring supplies to the rendezvous)
Ned if you mean Spanish Barbs when you say Indian horses were used by the Mountain Men your absolutely right.
But even after horses and mules were used to bring supplies to the Rendezvous they were most likely to be of Spanish Barb blood lines. For the stock that was used was out of St. Louis. Which was getting most of there stock out of Santa Fe. and Taos area. Why even the Missouri Mule early beginnings came out of the Santa Fe area. During the fur trade there was a lot of Horse trading and stealing going on in California. With the horses all headed for the Rockies. Read about Ewing Young, Jedediah Smith, Peg leg Smith, Beckworth and Walker just to name a few the men that engaged in this trade at one time or another. These horses too were of the Spanish Barb Blood.

As for Stallions being used well I haven't read of any being used. But I haven't read of them not being used ether. Them Indians sure did have a lot of horses for not having any Studs around. (BG)
I have used a Spanish Barb Stud on a couple of four and five day rides with a mix bunch of horses. With little to no problems. In fact I had him at the AMM Nationals this year. Course he is a good horse and you have to be aware of what your ridding at all times. So I think it would depend on the horse and ones ability to handle it. If it's a problem fix it!
I also think a horse was used at all times. Trapping or whenever for if you were without a horse you were on hard times.
Just my two Cents worth.
See ya on the trail.
Crazy Cyot - --part1_119.b08a981.297782b7_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:49:18 -0800 From: "SUE RAVEN" Subject: Re: Sue MtMan-List: new tread - horses >From: "Ned Eddins" >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: Sue MtMan-List: new tread - horses >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:16:00 -0700 > >I have not found any specific reference to the use of stallions by Mountain >Men. I found one meager reference: From "Three Years among Indians and Mexicans", by Thomas James, chapter 6, he writes: "This was the work of a few minutes, during which both horses and men were intermingled together in apparently inextricable confusion. The whole drove was taken at the first onset, except a fine black stud which flew like the wind, pursued by a hundred Indians, and in about two hours was brought back tamed and gentle. He walked close by the Indian who had captured him, and who led him by a rope and wished to sell him to me. I feared his wild look and dilated eye, but his Indian master and protector said he was gentle and gave me the end of the rope with which he led him, when the noble animal immediately came near to me as to a new friend and master. He seemed by his manner to have ratified the transfer and chosen me in preference to the Indian. In twenty-four hours after their capture these horses became tamed and ready for use, and keep near to their owners as their only friends. I could perceive little difference between them and our farm horses." Like many have said, even James initially feared the idea of riding the stud. Thanx Darlings, Sue Raven _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:09:45 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: looking for a ball mold Sorry if this is not the place for this, but I am having a time finding a .520 round ball mold. Anybody got a idea? Thanks, Nick Nick Mine is a Lyman but their web page doesn't show a .520. You might check some long-time Lyman dealers and try to find one. A good machinist might be able to enlarge a smaller caliber mold but I'm sure there are folks on the list more informed about than I. Good luck Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:15:38 -0700 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: looking for a ball mold Rapine makes a dandy .520 mold. I've got one and used it a fair bit. Allen At 05:16 PM 1/16/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Sorry if this is not the place for this, but I am having a time finding a >.520 round ball mold. Anybody got a idea? > >Thanks, Nick > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:33:46 -0700 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: new tread - horses Sue wrote: My brother, a trainer of horses for a decade, has said around the dinner table discussions that the morgan was a good mountain man's horse. He used to debate with Dad that the myth of the stallion used by trappers would have been both dangerous and have worn out the rider. . . . . Have you ran across many references to stallions being rode? Like the Cyot I have not seen references to stallions being used, but there is almost always a terrible shortage of useable horseflesh in the mountains. The Indians were not fooling when they told whites that they just did not have any extras to trade. I believe the RMFT used what they could get. Ned wrote: Except for the pack trains from St.Louis and the trapper brigades to a new area, I am not sure how much horses were used. Once the trapper was in the area he wanted to trap, horses would have been more of a liability that an asset. The only time horses were a liability was when they did not have them. Show me a trapping brigade that was not on the move 5 out of 7 days during the trapping season and I will show you three that were. Show me a trapper without some of Ned抯 liabilities and I will show you a foot sore, hungry, and poor fellow. There are mentions of 揂merican horses�, for instance, Wislizenus (1839) makes an interesting comparison between them. I agree that most horses were from Spanish origins but the American horses were often prized possessions. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:01:50 -0700 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: French Dumplings Out at Fort Hall with the PRP last week end I served up a dish and many a brother asked for the recipe. Since many of those can get it from here I will post it. French Dumplings Warren Ferris when writing about his 1834 New Year dinner told of their more common meals: Our common meals consist of a piece of boiled venison, with a single addition of a piece of fat from the shoulder of the buffalo; except on Sundays, when we have in addition a kind of French dumpling, made of minced meat, rolled into little balls enveloped with dough, and fried in the marrow of buffalo; which is both rich and pleasant to the taste. I found a recipe for Metis bread from a newsletter that Terrance Luff of this list sent me. I had to reduce the salt by half in order to make it edible and that is what I used for the dough. Here goes: Cook a steak Season as you desire. I used black and red pepper and allspice. Cut it up and mince it with a convenient rock or knife handle. Make the dough at increments of 1 cup flour 1/4 cup powdered milk 2 teaspoons salt Water to make a manageable dough Pull off a chunk of dough roll into a ball and then flatten Envelope it around a ball of meat Drop in hot oil I used a small cast iron pot because I have a shortage of tinware, and I can not vouch for all the ingredients in my recipe but you could vary it to your own level of authenticity. They was good stuff. Went well with Mike Powell抯 buffalo balls. I can not wait fer to try huckleberries in place of the meat. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 04:40:33 -0500 From: "John Hunt" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: looking for a ball mold Dixie gun works has a mold that comes in one thousands increments - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:14:03 +0000 From: "darlene secondine" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French Dumplings Howdy Wynn, What do you mean "vary it to your own level of authenticity," didn't they have powdered milk on the trade list for the Upper Missouri Outfit in 1810? :) Thanks for the recipes, they DO sound good. Kinda like lttle meat pies. Don in the Ohio Country >From: "Gretchen Ormond" >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: Hist mail >Subject: MtMan-List: French Dumplings >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:01:50 -0700 > >Out at Fort Hall with the PRP last week end I served up a dish and many >a brother asked for the recipe. Since many of those can get it from >here I will post it. > >French Dumplings > >Warren Ferris when writing about his 1834 New Year dinner told of their >more common meals: > >Our common meals consist of a piece of boiled venison, with a single >addition of a piece of fat from the shoulder of the buffalo; except on >Sundays, when we have in addition a kind of French dumpling, made of >minced meat, rolled into little balls enveloped with dough, and fried in >the marrow of buffalo; which is both rich and pleasant to the taste. > >I found a recipe for Metis bread from a newsletter that Terrance Luff of >this list sent me. I had to reduce the salt by half in order to make it >edible and that is what I used for the >dough. Here goes: > >Cook a steak >Season as you desire. I used black and red pepper and allspice. >Cut it up and mince it with a convenient rock or knife handle. >Make the dough at increments of > 1 cup flour > 1/4 cup powdered milk > 2 teaspoons salt > Water to make a manageable dough >Pull off a chunk of dough roll into a ball and then flatten >Envelope it around a ball of meat >Drop in hot oil > >I used a small cast iron pot because I have a shortage of tinware, and I >can not vouch for all the ingredients in my recipe but you could vary it >to your own level of authenticity. They was good stuff. Went well with >Mike Powell抯 buffalo balls. > >I can not wait fer to try huckleberries in place of the meat. > >Wynn Ormond > > > > > > > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:13:35 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French Dumplings On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:01:50 -0700 "Gretchen Ormond" writes: > > I can not wait fer to try huckleberries in place of the meat. > Wynn Ormond huckelberry dumplins---or dewberry dumplins---sounds like a 1800 version of a fried pie but smaller---made me hungry just thinking of them---goin to get the better half to make up a batch---I wonder if grape or apple ones would be good---best not let my better half get started she might turn me int a chubby "old" person---as she knows I like my fruit stuff thanks for sharing--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line " trademark (C) & "The Arkansas Underhammers" 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor florida 34684 Phone Number: 1-727-771-1815 E-Mail: hawknest4@juno.com Web site: http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:32:35 -0700 From: "Ole B. Jensen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a later day buckskinner Buck, Give me youre phone number off list, so that patch can call you. at= olebjensen@earthlink.net Ole - ---------- >From: "BARRY CONNER" >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a later day buckskinner >Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 3:14 PM > >Frank, > >There have been several books written about Sylvan Hart and dozen of >articles about him and his life style on the Salmon River in Idaho, Dick >"Keelboat" Whitmer (AMM brother, now gone to the other side with Sylvan) was >a personal friend of Hart's, Dick showed me several muzzle loading pistols >and a couple of knives that Sylvan had made and gave him. His work was not >the neatest, but when one considers the working conditions and material he >had at hand - then they where probably pretty darn good. > >Take care, >Buck Conner >"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" Thomas Jefferson 1771 > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Frank Fusco" >To: "hist_text-digest" >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:45 AM >Subject: MtMan-List: a later day buckskinner > > >> An interesting story in the March issue of Hunting Magazine about a >> fellow nicknamed Buckskin Bill who died in 1980. The story is by Grits >> Gresham and can be seen at: >> >http://www.huntingmag.com/dynamic.asp?intSectionID=324&intArticleID=1762 >> >> Frank G. Fusco >> > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:45:40 -0500 From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: MtMan-List: Double Edge Forge (insert appropriate trumpet music here) As of today, Double Edge Forge is back in operation and in full production. (not bad for only 2 walls..) And accepting orders (hint,hint) . I want to that y'all that have pending orders for you patience, your items are first on the list and you will be notified soon of the status. Excuse the cross-post, please Thanks Dennis "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:56:11 -0700 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: A Bawdy Tale On Tuesday one of our suppliers took us to lunch. Went to Maddox, a real nice fancy home town steak house that serves buffalo steaks. So there we are a bunch of construction types and pipe suppliers setting in a busy restaurant. After ordering buffalo I could not help mentioning that I had eaten different parts of buff this last weekend. Of course, it did not take them long to figure out which parts. As to be expected someone asked what oysters were like. I told them it was pretty good, very tender, more like veal than beef. Then I give them a good pause to chew on it a little then I said, 揃ut I抣l tell ya, next time I抦 going to kill the damn thing first.� James Beckworth would抋 been proud. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 02:55:47 +0000 From: "darlene secondine" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Bawdy Tale Heh, Heh, Yep and Bridger and Meek would have been proud of ya too. Don >From: "Gretchen Ormond" >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: Hist mail >Subject: MtMan-List: A Bawdy Tale >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:56:11 -0700 > >On Tuesday one of our suppliers took us to lunch. Went to Maddox, a >real nice fancy home town steak house that serves buffalo steaks. So >there we are a bunch of construction types and pipe suppliers setting in >a busy restaurant. After ordering buffalo I could not help mentioning >that I had eaten different parts of buff this last weekend. Of course, >it did not take them long to figure out which parts. > >As to be expected someone asked what oysters were like. I told them it >was pretty good, very tender, more like veal than beef. Then I give >them a good pause to chew on it a little then I said, 揃ut I抣l tell ya, >next time I抦 going to kill the damn thing first.� > >James Beckworth would抋 been proud. > >Wynn Ormond > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:28:04 EST From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: not historical just for grins, but true of how we all treat history at one time or another Forgive me but sometimes we all, myself included get a little up tight and need a smile concerning our historical hobby. My wife forwarded this to me on the road > >From the pages of Field and Stream. > > (R-R-R-I-I-N-N-N-G-G-G) > > MAN: Hello, Lone Wolf Blackpowder Emporium, "Lobo" speakin'. What can I do for ya' pilgrim? > CALLER: Hi Lobo. Filbert-"Big Griz" Stemmish here. A fella I met at a rondezvous said i should call your outfit next time I need to buy some authentic gear. > LOBO: Okay, whatcha need, Big Griz? > GRIZ: Well, quite a bit. My outfits are showing a lot of trail wear, what with all the blackpowder hunting I do, plus the rondezvous and reenactments and such. Thing is though, I'm a real purist, so all the stuff I use has to be legit, you know, authentic. It's all gotta be done the old way, nothing modern or phony, just the real mccoy. > LOBO: You've come to the right place, big Griz. That's our specialty-- Exact reproduction in everything! What's your first item? > GRIZ: Well, I need a new set of buckskins... > LOBO: What style? > GRIZ: Mountain Man-- Early fur trade period, southern Rockies, ah, made with brain-tanned Wyoming elk, hand sewn with genuine sinew-- none of that waxed nylon look-alike stuff. Size, ah, 44 long, 33-inch inseam on the trousers, heavy on the fringe. Oh yeah, and I want the parts cut from the hides using a forged Green River knife, Dadley pattern blade. No scissors! > LOBO: No problem, we've got'em in stock. How about some beadwork? You get 20 percent off any beadwork when you buy a complete set of 'skins. > GRIZ: Are the beads genuine, hand-blown Venetian "seed" beads? > LOBO: You betcha, pilgrim! > GRIZ: Okay. give me a two inch strip down each sleeve, cobalt blue and white, Lakota style, hand stitched with No.401 English cotton trade thread. > LOBO: How about waterproofing? Hand-rendered bear grease, tallow- beeswax blend, or Scotchgard(laughter) Jus' kiddin! > GRIZ: Heavy on the bear grease, ah, grizzly if ya got it, but black'll do. > LOBO: Okay, what next? > GRIZ: Well...two pair of moccasins. Plains Indian style--sinew-sewn elk, size 12-13 wide. No beads, light fringe. > LOBO: How're ya set for headgear? We can work something out on one of our full-pelt coyote hats. They were real common among the mountain men. > GRIZ: Are they eastern or western coyote? > LOBO: Think they're eastern. > GRIZ: Sorry, it's gotta be western. Told you, I'm a purist! > LOBO: That's the only way to be. What else? > GRIZ: I'd like half a dozen 5/8-inch flints, but they've gotta be english, hand-knapped--not machine cut--and medium grey. > LOBO: We've got'em. What else, pilgrim? > GRIZ: Well, i just lost my patch knife... Have ya got any that are hand-forged near St.Louis an' have a linseed oiled oak handle that's held on with two rough-hammered brass rivets? Oh yeah, and with a sheath that's barktanned calfskin and harness stitched with linen thread about ten stitches to the inch? > LOBO: How many do you want? > GRIZ: Just one. > LOBO: Anything else? > GRIZ: I'd like 300 .50 caliber balls, but they've gotta be pure lead, hand cast from a single cavity mold over a cottonwood fire. > LOBO: Those only come in a poke of 500. > GRIZ: Oh, are the pokes hand-sewn? > LOBO: Yep. > GRIZ: Okay. > LOBO Next? > GRIZ: Ten pounds of pemmican--the pre-1870 recipe. Also gimme 15 pounds of parched corn, ah, Indian blue to be specific. > LOBO: Anything else? Possibles pouch? hatchet? Ramrod? Calico? Trade silver? Beads? > GRIZ: No thanks. Just give me the total. > LOBO: I'll figure that out when I get your order. > GRIZ:When you get my order? What do you mean? > LOBO: I only use the phone as a customer convenience-- to let you know if we've got what you're looking for, but we only accept orders that are hand-written in India ink with a quill on parchment. Gotta be hand- delivered by horse. > GRIZ: My God, that'll take forever! I need this stuff by the end of the week! I wanted it shipped second day FedEX or UPS! > LOBO: We don't use 'em. > GRIZ: You don't use 'em? Well, when would my order show up? > LOBO: Oh, could be six, maybe nine months. Depends on whether the mule train has any trouble with snow in the mountain passes. Word has it the southern Sierras are--- > GRIZ: Mule train!? Mule train! You ship by ^^&*#$$^ mule train?!?! > LOBO: Sure do pilgrim, Whatja expect--- we're purists, too > GRIZ: Aaaggh, #@*#@. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #929 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.