From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #941 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, January 28 2002 Volume 01 : Number 941 In this issue: -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: By request -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: California Horse Source -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Western History Association -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: stock oil -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Egyptian cotton -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Egyptian cotton -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Some help needed -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Some help needed -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List:Frog Holler -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: By request -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: stock oil -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: By request -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Stock Oil -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Top 3 Mtn Man skills. -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Egyptian cotton -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: =?UTF-8?Q?toboggans?= -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: toboggans -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: By Request -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List:Frog Holler -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: anhydrous eggs -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: toboggans -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: toboggans -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: toboggans -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: toboggans/snow -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Western History Association ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:06:25 EST From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: By request In a message dated 1/26/02 10:55:32 PM, amm1769@hotmail.com writes: <> Not sure what you are asking: just little vignettes for tale-telling or something about the film itself. I was in a part of that film and had some limited recollection (1979 makes me forgetful). Richard James South Weber, Ut p.s. Keith is spelled e before i - not the old rule whidh reverses the order. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:49:35 -0700 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: California Horse Source Ned Eddins wrote: > Wynn, > > > > If as Leonard mentions, the horses were sold to Missouri traders, could > these be the horses used in the pack strings from St. Louis to rendezvous > and for the trappers to use????? It is for this possibility that I used the idea of no "direct" route to the mountains. > Like you, I have never seen any reference > to stolen horses coming out of California other than the ones over the Old > Spanish Trail. It does leave an interesting possibility doesn't it. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:40:34 -0700 From: Mike Moore Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Western History Association Jim, I am a hour and half north of the Springs. And would like to go if possible, is for members only? If you are interested, I can take you on a tour of the museums and historical sites localy. I also have a extra room for you to use either coming or going if needed. Keep me informed on details, and how to get in. Thanks for the info! mike. Casapy123@aol.com wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Ever hear of the Western History Association? Their annual conference is > Oct. 11, 12, & 13 (I haven't confirmed the dates but it's usually the second > weekend of Oct.) and will be in Colorado Springs. I am going to try to go. > > Bill Swaggerty is in charge of the fur trade presentation. So far, he has > lined up Janet LeCompte to talk about writing all the fur trade biographies > sh'es done and working with Leroy Hafen, Mark Gardner (a Santa Fe Trail > historian) to speak on the Fur Trade in Colorado, and Barton Barbour (not > sure exactly what he's talking on yet. > > Should be good. How close are you to Colorado Springs? I plan to be at the > AMM Museum of the Mountain Man expo and at least a few days of the Nationals, > so I'll see you there for sure. > > Jim Hardee > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:49:29 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: stock oil Frank I don't know what was used in the 1800's, others will probably chime in with that info. But for walnut, to darken and keep a nice 'olde' finish, I have found that good quality, pure tung oil is hard to beat. It is tough and moisture resistant and more can be added any time you want. It naturally darkens as you apply. Then sand or steel wool to a finish smoothness that suits your taste. [the other]Frank Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:21:36 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Egyptian cotton Figure on about a half gallon of boiled linseed oil and near a pound of red or yellow iron oxide for a piece that size. I'm gonna make at least one more to keep the gear dry for the Missouri River trip.... Ymos, Magpie Magpie, What is the finished weight of your 7.5' x 7.5' tarp ? Every attempt I've made at makin oil cloth, I've ended up with something that waaaay too heavy. Pendleton " Freedom has a flavor, the protected will never know . " - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:55:19 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Egyptian cotton In a message dated 1/27/02 8:20:30 AM, yrrw@airmail.net writes: << What is the finished weight of your 7.5' x 7.5' tarp ? Every attempt I've made at makin oil cloth, I've ended up with something that waaaay too heavy. Pendleton >> Right around 4 pounds...mebbe a bit less. This was made from a sheet, so with the edges hemmed for strength, and the corners and center reinforced, it makes a good, small, light, one man fly. I set it up as a diamond, and there's plenty of room for me and my gear. I think the next one I make will be just a 9'X9' canvas, (no loops or sewn hem), oil and red iron oxide, to use mostly to cover gear in my canoe....probably to heavy to pack, but a good camp or cover for a long trip. Gotta wait till it stops raining (or snowing now) to do it (around July the sun comes out fer a week) ...and it only takes 7-10 days to dry to the touch in the shade. Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:12:24 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Some help needed In a message dated 1/26/02 8:34:08 PM, rtlahti@msn.com writes: << If a 17' + lodge impresses you, then apparently you have not been in one of Rick and Jean Linseys' lodges. I'll have to remedy that. I don't think they ever built anything much less than a 25/26 footer. >> Haaaaaa....no, it ain't the 17' size that impresses me (mine's 20') it's what Linda does to it.... great paint work outside, and just beautiful inside with all her stuff! Way cool... I saw Rick and Jean's lodge at Frog.....huge! ...need a horse just to git from one side to the other. < >> Yeah..... I'm still bummed out about that. If you hadn't let em sweet-talk you (we had bigger guns) outta the chocolate....they'd have still been swimmin over nicked for it... At least the sweat lodge for the girls is still right next to our camp..... Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:00:57 -0800 From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Some help needed > Chocolate!!!!!!!!! >> > Yeah..... I'm still bummed out about that. If you hadn't let em sweet-talk > you (we had bigger guns) outta the chocolate....they'd have still been > swimmin over nicked for it... Magpie, I'm thinkin it was all the hooligans and ruffians standing about. When it were only Old Tom and me, they wasn't scared. You and the rest of that rabble that was tagging after our success's looked like you could run fast and might still be functional! Dangerous lookin as it were. At least the sweat lodge for the girls is still > right next to our camp..... Yea sure, even with that screen that Brother George put up for them. All of, what would you say, knee high? That George, what a kidder. Got a post from Old Blue saying he'd gotten a flier for Frog and speculating that with all the weather they've had of late, there will likely be a premium on dry ground. I think I'll pass this year and wait for another drought year. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:13:37 -0800 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Frog Holler Cap't L., I have a copy of a video tape taken at frog holler rdvs.. It is probably from about 15 years ago? Some fellow got his canoe heisted and the hoisted way up a tree. Some englisher came up with a smooth bore, took one shot which cut the rope and that canoed landed right on the water line, as if someone had just pulled up in it. I hear there is some friendly rivalry with the Canadians vs. the Americans. That rdvs. looks like a fun one? I like the idea of a canoe rdvs.. > - --- Randal Bublitz - --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers, we are Borrowing it from our Children - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:27:51 -0700 From: "Michael Powell" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: By request - ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1A747.2EF4DB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Just little vignettes would be great of your favorite fur trade stories. = And I won't mind if things aren't quite spelled right, that's not a real= big concern of mine. Perhaps the sharing of stories may foster some exc= itement into doing some research. Which reminds me, I would like to do a little opinion poll of those on th= e list as to what each of you feel were the top three skills a mountainee= r could have to enable him to survive in the Rockies year round between 1= 810-1840. Thank you YMHOS Mike =20 =20 - ----- Original Message ----- From: SWzypher@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 1:08 AM To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: By request =20 In a message dated 1/26/02 10:55:32 PM, amm1769@hotmail.com writes: <> Not sure what you are asking: just little vignettes for tale-telling or something about the film itself. I was in a part of that film and had so= me limited recollection (1979 makes me forgetful). Richard James South Weber, Ut p.s. Keith is spelled e before i - not the old rule whidh reverses the order. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.htmlGe= t more from the Web. 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All,

Just little vignettes would be great of your favorite fur trade stories= . And I won't mind if things aren't quite spelled right, that's not= a real big concern of mine. Perhaps the sharing of stories ma= y foster some excitement into doing some research.

Which reminds me, I would like to do a little opini= on poll of those on the list as to what each of you feel were t= he top three skills a mountaineer could have to enable him to surviv= e in the Rockies year round between 1810-1840.

Thank you

YMHOS

Mike

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Not sure what you are = asking: just little vignettes for tale-telling or
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- ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1A747.2EF4DB40-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:14:17 EST From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: stock oil In a message dated 1/27/02 7:50:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, frankf@cox-internet.com writes: << >> Birchwood Casey's "Tru Oil" works nicely, but don't think it's at all period correct. It's too thick & dries too fast. "The other" Frank's suggestion of tongue oil is period. There are a couple of linseed oil based oil concoctions that are much more period correct than Tru Oil. They're both simple to make & work very well -- just takes many coats. The simplest is half linseed oil & half turpentine. Wahkon Bay makes a stock oil finish that smells & acts like it's this mix. I'm out of it right now, & don't remember what they call it, but it works well. John Cramer, who's on the list is our resident period finish expert -- surprised he hasn't answered on this one. One of the mixes he gave us several years ago is one-third linseed oil, one-third turpentine, & one-third vinegar. He also suggests we buy raw linseed oil & boil it ourselves. He recommended buying wife a new crock pot & using her old one for the task OUTSIDE -- cook at a low simmer 24 hrs if I remember right. He says this enhances the oil's natural drying agents that work much better than the synthetic stuff that's added to modern boiled linseed oil. He also says use genuine turpentine, not the modern substitute stuff that's made of naphtha & other petroleum products. Petroleum products don't "feed" the wood like the natural vegetable based oils & solvents do. Of course the vinegar should be either wine or apple cider based, not the distilled. John says the vinegar balances the pH for a better finish. I still haven't managed to boil my own oil because I haven't found raw oil in the local stores, but I had some heirloom wooden wood plains that were getting dried out here in the desert's low humidity. Sunk them in a big tub of John's 3 part mix & let 'em soak about a week (had to stir it up periodicaly -- the vinegar settles). The loose handles tightened right up & the sole of the planes doesn't scratch & gouge like they did before the soak. I'm partial to oil finishes because a scratch is so easily repaired -- just wipe another coat of oil mix on & it's visually gone. Over a period of time, it will fill too. My favorite rifle has MANY coats of oil & it looks like it's been varnished. When it gets dull looking, I can simply rub it with the heel of my hand or a LIGHT coat of oil restores it natural glow. Apply the first few (10 or so) coats warm & with your hands so it'll penetrate better. Thin coats work better than heavy ones. Use 000 steel wool when it's dry between the first few coats to get rid of the "whiskers". Just the warmth of your hands will help warm the wood & oil a lot. 'Course wash thoroughly afterward. I like to keep the stock warm between coats too -- on top of the refrigerator or a book shelf works this time of year. As for stain on walnut - -- I think you'll find just the oil will darken it to what you want. I did the same project several years ago. In addition to what you're doing, I also stripped the blue off all the "iron" parts & browned them. Made quite a difference in how it looked. NM - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:55:36 +0000 From: "don secondine" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: By request Howdy Michael, The three most important skills in my opinion would be ...#1 Fire making under any circumstances.(still working hard on this one) #2 Would be snare setting for grub(in case you lost everything like Ol' Hugh Glass did. #3 would be how to collect water in in difficult situations. This question has made me think hard about what skills I really need to sharpen. Thanks for the post. Don in the Ohio Country >From: "Michael Powell" >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: "History List" >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: By request >Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:27:51 -0700 > >All, >Just little vignettes would be great of your favorite fur trade stories. >And I won't mind if things aren't quite spelled right, that's not a real >big concern of mine. Perhaps the sharing of stories may foster some >excitement into doing some research. > >Which reminds me, I would like to do a little opinion poll of those on the >list as to what each of you feel were the top three skills a mountaineer >could have to enable him to survive in the Rockies year round between >1810-1840. > >Thank you >YMHOS >Mike > >----- Original Message ----- >From: SWzypher@aol.com >Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 1:08 AM >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: By request > > >In a message dated 1/26/02 10:55:32 PM, amm1769@hotmail.com writes: > ><Mountain >Men" w/ Heston and Kieth>> > >Not sure what you are asking: just little vignettes for tale-telling or >something about the film itself. I was in a part of that film and had some >limited recollection (1979 makes me forgetful). > >Richard James >South Weber, Ut >p.s. Keith is spelled e before i - not the old rule whidh reverses the >order. > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.htmlGet >more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:11:55 -0500 From: Subject: MtMan-List: Stock Oil This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1A76E.DDEE2EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gents, Thanks for all the info. After sanding down and wiping the inside of = the stock with Tung Oil, I have decided to use it. It darkend the stock = perfectly and brings the grain right out. I am surprised as I have used = tung oil on bows int he past and did not like it. Ten coats should do = it. Thanks again for all your help, Frank V. Rago - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1A76E.DDEE2EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gents,

Thanks for all the info. After = sanding down=20 and wiping the inside of the stock with Tung Oil, I have decided to use=20 it. It darkend the stock perfectly and brings the grain right = out. I=20 am surprised as I have used tung oil on bows int he past and did not = like=20 it. Ten coats should do it.

Thanks again for all your = help,

Frank V. = Rago
- ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1A76E.DDEE2EE0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:35:08 -0500 From: hikingonthru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Top 3 Mtn Man skills. >I would like to do a little opinion poll of those on the list as to what< >each of you feel were the top three skills a mountaineer could have to< >enable him to survive in the Rockies year round between 1810-1840.< That is a very well-put question. I would imagine that it was more of the top three "tasks" he had to accomplish...these would be: 1)Finding water 2)Putting food in his belly 3)Sheltering himself from elements as needed Same as anyone who goes in the wilderness today needs to accomplish. These are the basic human needs. All while keeping his hair attached to his head and the air moving in and out his lungs. So many skills had to be emplyed simultaneously: observing nature, observing for man sign, keeping gear dry and in working order, paying attention to what his body was telling him, caring for his animals, making fire, marksmanship, watching the lay of the land...and on and on. And that is just to keep himself ALIVE so he could be about the business of pulling beaver out of streams. - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:59:07 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Egyptian cotton Magpie wrote ; Right around 4 pounds...mebbe a bit less Thanks for the info. Pendleton " Youth, is wasted on the young ! " - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:00:47 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: =?UTF-8?Q?toboggans?= Klahowya boys, I just finished making some bindings for me snow shoes, and fixen to go out=20 and git frost bit. It's sometimes easier to pull a sled loaded with gear=20 rather than in a back pack, so I'm looking for a wooden toboggan. Anyone got= =20 a recommendation as to size, material (no plastic!), etc.? I found one made=20 of ash, around 4' long that looks like it may work... Also see a wooden sled= =20 that's kinda neat, (PC) but could break in rough country or sink in deep=20 snow...=20 Ymos, Magpie=20 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:40:39 +0000 From: "don secondine" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: toboggans Dadburn Magpie, You have enuff snow for snowshoes? Where you live? We haven't had snow worth a plug this year in N. W. Ohio. I enjoy huntin' in it. Have fun, Don in the Ohio Country >From: SWcushing@aol.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com, ammlist@xmission.com >Subject: MtMan-List: toboggans >Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:00:47 EST > >Klahowya boys, > >I just finished making some bindings for me snow shoes, and fixen to go out >and git frost bit. It's sometimes easier to pull a sled loaded with gear >rather than in a back pack, so I'm looking for a wooden toboggan. Anyone >got >a recommendation as to size, material (no plastic!), etc.? I found one made >of ash, around 4' long that looks like it may work... Also see a wooden >sled >that's kinda neat, (PC) but could break in rough country or sink in deep >snow... > >Ymos, >Magpie > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:54:54 -0700 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: By Request Mike Powell Wrote >I would like to do a little opinion poll of those on the list as to what< >each of you feel were the top three skills a mountaineer could have to< >enable him to survive in the Rockies year round between 1810-1840.< That is a very well-put question. I would imagine that it was more of the top three "tasks" he had to accomplish...these would be: C Kent wrote: 1)Finding water 2)Putting food in his belly 3)Sheltering himself from elements as needed Don wrote: .#1 Fire making under any circumstances.(still working hard on this one) #2 Would be snare setting for grub(in case you lost everything like Ol' Hugh Glass did. #3 would be how to collect water in in difficult situations. I think this is a good question and these are excellent and logical answers. I think my input may be a little different because rather than thinking what do I think is important I am going try to remember what they thought was important. 1. Sagacity. Ferris writes: Every man carries here emphatically his life in his hand, and it is only by the most watchful precaution, grounded upon and guided by the observation of every unnatural appearance however slight, that he can hope to preserve it. The footmark may indicate the vicinity of a war party hovering to destroy; the report of firearms may betray the dangerous neighbourhood of a numerous, well armed, and wily enemy; strange horsemen may be but the outriding scouts of a predatory band at hand and in force to attack; the rising smoke may indeed curl up from the camp of friends or an accidental fire, but it more probably signals the gathering forces of an enemy recruiting their scattered bands for the work of plunder and massacre. Thus every strange appearance becomes an important indication which the ripest wisdom and experience are needful to interpret; and the most studious care and profound sagacity are requisite to make the most advantage from. It is only in this manner that the hunter's life is rendered even comparatively secure, and it is thus that the most trivial occurrence assumes a character of the gravest moment, freighted as it may be with the most alarming and perilous consequences. 2. Ability to travel long distances quickly. I can not remember in any of the desert crossings I have read, of comments about one person or another being better able to find water. They seem more likely to split up and just push through it hoping to stumble on water if there is any. One of Jed抯 strengths was his ability to keep traveling when others lay down to die. It was this ability that got him killed down on the Cimmeron. Ogden admired his mens ability to keep going in intense cold with poor clothing. Leonard tells of I believe Fitspatricks run from Indians. In other instances men who could push through snow or outrun Indians or drag their broken bodies another mile appear better able to survive. Sometimes they would hole up or hide but almost always this was followed by continued travel. 3. I don抰 know yet. Maybe I will come up with another one in the next couple of days. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:56:11 -0800 From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Frog Holler Hardtack, If you'd like I'll send you the registration form as an attachment. The Rendez. runs from April 24 to the 28th. Capt. L - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal Bublitz" To: "hist_text" Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Frog Holler > Cap't L., I have a copy of a video tape taken at frog holler rdvs.. It > is probably from about 15 years ago? Some fellow got his canoe heisted > and the hoisted way up a tree. Some englisher came up with a smooth bore, > took one shot which cut the rope and that canoed landed right on the water > line, as if someone had just pulled up in it. I hear there is some friendly > rivalry with the Canadians vs. the Americans. That rdvs. looks like a fun > one? I like the idea of a canoe rdvs.. > > > > > > --- Randal Bublitz > --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net > we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers, > we are Borrowing it from our Children > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:31:11 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: anhydrous eggs Some time ago....a year or more, I think....there was considerable discussion about locating dried whole eggs. I found a source at Albertson's. Now, did anybody document the use of dissicated eggs in the mountains and in our period? Clay Landry cited whole eggs being shipped west in barrels of corn meal and lard, but I don't remember any facts about dissicated eggs. Anybody?? Lanney Ratcliff amm1585@hyperusa.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:32:39 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: toboggans In a message dated 1/27/02 8:41:25 PM, dmdhsecondine@hotmail.com writes: << You have enuff snow for snowshoes? Where you live? We haven't had snow worth a plug this year in N. W. Ohio. I enjoy huntin' in it. >> In the Great North West Don,.... Washington State. We only have a couple inches at my camp, but enough to light the fire for a trip or two. The Cascades have a ton of snow, and that's where we do the Winter Camps.... Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:16:20 -0800 From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: toboggans Klahowya Magpie, If your set on a toboggan go short and wide. I've watched a number of guys fight them through soft snow, they tend to tip over if loaded too high. They also have more resistance on the snow surface but it's still better than carrying. Don't know if you ever saw that "dog sled" I made. It's from the Ben Hunt book and not all that hard to lash up if you have some elm or etc. to bend into a few shapes and some rawhide to lash it up with. Sure pulls nice compared to a toboggan. And you make a solid trail for it with your snow shoe track so it don't fall over in soft snow. If your interested I'll send you a scan of the instruction page. But right off I don't know of anyone who has either for sale or trade. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:57:39 -0800 From: "rtlahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: toboggans The NW Brigade of the RMM is having it's winter camp this weekend up on the Teanaway just north of Cle Ellum and I bet they are breechclout deep in snow where they are. They are having a grand time of it too. Go in with no food other than jerk and parched corn. You fight your way into camp via a "combat course" of hostiles and game and if your good enough the food is provided. Otherwise it's trail rations. Last week when we were coming back over the Mt.s after the Ft. Nisqually dinner I was not impressed with the amount of snow at that elevation in the Yakima drainage but we had us some kind of winter storm this past few days and now it's clear skies to cool it off. Bet its well below freezing up there and probably 3 ft. of snow where they are. Fun times if your up to it. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:18:03 -0700 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: toboggans/snow don secondine wrote: > Dadburn Magpie, > You have enuff snow for snowshoes? Where you live? We haven't had snow worth > a plug this year in N. W. Ohio. I enjoy huntin' in it. > Have fun, > Don in the Ohio Country Got so much snow in Cache Valley last night I can not get out the driveway to go to work. +/- 18" still snowing. Found the horses but you could come hunt for the dogs. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:24:18 -0700 From: Joe Brandl Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Western History Association Where can I receive information on the Assoc? joe - -- Have a look at our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com Call us about our tanning, furs & leather and lodgepole furniture 307-455-2440 New leather wildlife coasters and placemats - ther're great!! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #941 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.