From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #951 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, February 10 2002 Volume 01 : Number 951 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Trapper article -       MtMan-List: Beaver lure recipe -       Re: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Houses - research -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver catch (Trapper productivity) -       Re: MtMan-List: ARTICLE - Trapper Productivity -       Re: MtMan-List:trapping and other stuff ! (baits) -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver on the Brain! -       Re: MtMan-List: ARTICLE - Trapper Productivity -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver on the Brain! -       Re: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Houses - research -       MtMan-List: Take me off the list -       Re: MtMan-List: ARTICLE - Trapper Productivity -       Re: MtMan-List: ARTICLE - Trapper Productivity -       Re: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Houses - research -       MtMan-List: Cougar Explosion in California -       MtMan-List: hardtack recipe? -       RE: MtMan-List: hardtack recipe? ARCHIVES!!!!! -       Re: MtMan-List: hardtack recipe? -       Re: MtMan-List: Beaver on the Brain! -       RE: MtMan-List: hardtack recipe? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:52:07 -0600 From: "Jody & Scott" Subject: MtMan-List: Trapper article Mssr. Hardee, Please put me on the "list" as well. Thank you in advance, Scott C sjsdm@conpoint.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 21:02:43 -0500 From: hikingonthru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Beaver lure recipe Who wanted a beaver lure recipe? Contact me offlist. Mr. Enos, who is one of the most ardent and knowledgable trappers I have had the pleasure of meeting, told me how to make an easy bait that does not freeze and works GREAT. - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:02:33 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Houses - research Dick, Have you got some fort building project in mind somewhere locally? If so, there are a lot of folks who would be interested in helping. Todd On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:34:52 EST SWzypher@aol.com writes: > With all the knowledge accumulated in the group, I am sure someone > can help > me with some research: > > I am trying to piece together a composit of what a fur trade post > would be > like - west of the Mississippi, American influence and strong > Hudsons'Bay > influence. In size smaller than Fort Union, but larger than > Astoria. > > Information I am trying to accumulate includes: what activities were > housed > within the palasades such as Factor's quarters, storehouse, trade > house, > staff quarters, clerk's accomodations, blacksmith shop, "utilities" > shop, > root cellar, etc. and assign floor plan dimensions to each. > > The composite structure that will come from this is to be correct in > every > way that building codes will allow, realizing the public must be > "protected". > Similarly the materials inside and the activites will be correct to > the > period - not Hollywood and not contemporary "wannabes". > > Right now it is the architecture that is getting the attention to > plan for > budget. I have as reference good details from Fort Ross, Fort > Osage, Fort > Michilimakinac, and Fort Ligoner (not geographically correct nor > correct in > purpose in all cases, but how the problems of structure and needs > were met. > > This is a serious project and any and all input will be very much > appreciated. > > Richard James > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > "Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:52:30 -0700 From: Todd Glover Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver catch (Trapper productivity) Jim, Always interested in your writing. I'd say post to everyone, but at least shoot me a copy! Todd On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:38:49 EST Casapy123@aol.com writes: > I once wrote on article on trapper productivity during the fur trade > era. If > anyone is interested, I could post it ont the list. Could do it as > an > attachment, just post it, or make it available to those who request > it. > Anybody have a preference? (does anyone want to see it?) > > Jim Hardee, AMM#1676 > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > "Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 19:07:58 -0800 From: "SUE RAVEN" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: ARTICLE - Trapper Productivity



Mr. Jim Hardee,
     I think you are correct as I found a document that describes the failure of total dependence upon the 'tanglestick' technique, and alternatives.  It is obvious before the steel trap the chiseltooth was like the buffalo before the horse; eating and breeding without much fear of man.  Surely, the brigades and free trappers trapped what was missed or trap educated on later dates in different expeditions; collecting the the missed beaver.
 
    This is from Washington Irving's "Adventures of Captain Bonneville", chapter 26:
 

Practice, says Captain Bonneville, has given such a quickness of eye to the experienced trapper in all that relates to his pursuit, that he can detect the slightest sign of beaver, however wild; and although the lodge may be concealed by close thickets and overhanging willows, he can generally, at a single glance, make an accurate guess at the number of its inmates. He now goes to work to set his trap; planting it upon the shore, in some chosen place, two or three inches below the surface of the water, and secures it by a chain to a pole set deep in the mud. A small twig is then stripped of its bark, and one end is dipped in the "medicine," as the trappers term the peculiar bait which they employ. This end of the stick rises about four inches above the surface of the water, the other end is planted between the jaws of the trap. The beaver, possessing an acute sense of smell, is soon attracted by the odor of the bait. As he raises his nose toward it, his foot is caught in the trap. In his fright he throws a somerset into the deep water. The trap, being fastened to the pole, resists all his efforts to drag it to the shore; the chain by which it is fastened defies his teeth; he struggles for a time, and at length sinks to the bottom and is drowned.

Upon rocky bottoms, where it is not possible to plant the pole, it is thrown into the stream. The beaver, when entrapped, often gets fastened by the chain to sunken logs or floating timber; if he gets to shore, he is entangled in the thickets of brook willows. In such cases, however, it costs the trapper diligent search, and sometimes a bout at swimming, before he finds his game.

Occasionally it happens that several members of a beaver family are trapped in succession. The survivors then become extremely shy, and can scarcely be "brought to medicine," to use the trapper's phrase for "taking the bait." In such case, the trapper gives up the use of the bait, and conceals his traps in the usual paths and crossing places of the household. The beaver now being completely "up to trap," approaches them cautiously, and springs them ingeniously with a stick. At other times, he turns the traps bottom upwards, by the same means, and occasionally even drags them to the barrier and conceals them in the mud. The trapper now gives up the contest of ingenuity, and shouldering his traps, marches off, admitting that he is not yet "up to beaver."

    Evidently this could be another avenue where the float stick could have been used.  As from Bonneville's account, there were a lot of traps drug off and extensive searches if one did not flag them in some manner.  Of course, due to Indians, markers of anything too obvious would only invite stealing trapped beaver.

You guys never would have guessed I was a Tom-boy as a child would you?

Sue Raven


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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:48:09 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List:trapping and other stuff ! (baits) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ----__JNP_000_365a.291b.1c01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks for your input sue--- hawk-- On Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:41:34 -0800 "SUE RAVEN" writes: >From: hawknest4@juno.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List:trapping and other stuff ! (baits) >Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:04:45 -0500 > >sue--- >I had to trap several areas in the ozarks that there was no way to drive >a stake in the creek bottom or the lake bottom and what i normally did >was tie a drag rock to the chain and place it out into the water and i >would tie some light cord on to the rock---when the beaver would get >cought they have a tendency to go to deep water and when they do they >drag the rock into deeper water and thus drownd then-- when i come by the >set and the trap is gone i would grab the light rope and pull the beaver >in which was attached to the trap and the drag rock I tried the tangle >method a few times but didnt have much success with it in the area i was >trapping--- My brother Eric told me years ago about when he hunted and ran traps in the Blue river(eastern Arizona-south of Alpine), of how he made a simular set. He told me of a non-target racoon that came into his set. The rock he had xmas wrapped with double wire was setting on a ledge under water. The racoon did not pull the heavy rock in the water. Evidently Rocky knew of his fate if he swam for it. Eric said it was sure funny seeing this racoon rock and wobble that rock as he approached. I was so mad at him because he didn't bring it home alive and call me. He said you can't domesticate grown wild animals that easy. He said the pull out problem was so bad on coons that he usually drowed them if near water. He said he caugh ducks, muskrat, and racoons many times on beaver sets. This method makes good sense for a trapper on limited technology. Besides, I do not know if a beaver would chew the rope off a rock; but they did have wire a Fort Union prior to 1840. I'll e-mail Eric and see if he will share his formulae for making beaver lure or medicine as ye mountaineers say. I'm really jealous of you guys having all the fun, Sur Raven Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of the "Old Grizz (C) product line & "the Arkansas Underhammers" 854 Glenfield Dr Palm Harbor, Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site:http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce - ----__JNP_000_365a.291b.1c01 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks for your input sue---
 
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:41:34 -0800 "SUE RAVEN" <blond40ddqhearts@hotmail.com>=20 writes:



>From: hawknest4@juno.com=20
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List:trapping and other stuff ! (baits)= =20
>Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:04:45 -0500=20
>=20
>sue---=20
>I had to trap several areas in the ozarks that there was = no way=20 to drive=20
>a stake in the creek bottom or the lake bottom and what i= =20 normally did=20
>was tie a drag rock to the chain and place it out into the= =20 water and i=20
>would tie some light cord on to the rock---when the beaver= =20 would get=20
>cought they have a tendency to go to deep water and when = they=20 do they=20
>drag the rock into deeper water and thus drownd then-- = when i=20 come by the=20
>set and the trap is gone i would grab the light rope and = pull=20 the beaver=20
>in which was attached to the trap and the drag rock I = tried the=20 tangle=20

>method a few times but didnt have much success with it in the area= i=20 was

>trapping---

     My= =20 brother Eric told me years ago about when he hunted and ran traps in the = Blue=20 river(eastern Arizona-south of Alpine), of how he made a simular set.&= nbsp; He=20 told me of a non-target racoon that came into his set.  The rock he = had=20 xmas wrapped with double wire was setting on a ledge under water.  = The=20 racoon did not pull the heavy rock in the water.  Evidently Rocky = knew of=20 his fate if he swam for it.  Eric said it was sure funny seeing this= =20 racoon rock and wobble that rock as he approached.  I was so = mad at=20 him because he didn't bring it home alive and call me.  He said= you=20 can't domesticate grown wild animals that easy.  He said the pull = out=20 problem was so bad on coons that he usually drowed them if near water.&= nbsp;=20 He said he caugh ducks, muskrat, and racoons many times on beaver sets.&= nbsp;=20 This method makes good sense for a trapper on limited technology. =20 Besides, I do not know if a beaver would chew the rope off a rock; but = they=20 did have wire a Fort Union prior to 1840.

       I'll= e-mail=20 Eric and see if he will share his formulae for making beaver lure or = medicine=20 as ye mountaineers say. 

I'm really jealous of you= guys=20 having all the fun,
 
Sur Raven

Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click=20 Here
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"HAWK"
Michael Pierce   "= Home of=20 the "Old Grizz  (C) product line & "the Arkansas Underhammers"
= 854=20 Glenfield Dr
Palm Harbor,   Florida   =20 34684           &= nbsp;=20 Phone: 1-727-771-1815
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- ----__JNP_000_365a.291b.1c01-- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:29:36 EST From: Traphand@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver on the Brain! Sometime its all in where you are at and what the conditions are. I'm in Missouri and only trapping in small streams, mud-bottomed lakes, etc. You go with what you have the most susccess with. Or the most access to. I.E. the large rivers here (Missouri, Mississippi) have beavers, but getting access to the land areas to trap them is a problem, as well as finding the time to cover vast miles of river. It's like they say.........You can read it in a book, but until you've done it, you've not done it! Love using conibears. As you can tell by my handle....Long story. Traphand Rick Petzoldt Traphand@aol.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:34:49 EST From: Lwchavis@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: ARTICLE - Trapper Productivity - --part1_14a.8a6a7ec.29975269_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/02 7:42:22 PM Central Standard Time, Casapy123@aol.com writes: > Here is the article in its entirety. It was published in The Trapline, vol. > > 3, #3, Spring 2000. I hope you find it helpful. > Thanks much. Larry In MS - --part1_14a.8a6a7ec.29975269_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/02 7:42:22 PM Central Standard Time, Casapy123@aol.com writes:


Here is the article in its entirety.  It was published in The Trapline, vol.
3, #3, Spring 2000.  I hope you find it helpful.


Thanks much.
Larry In MS - --part1_14a.8a6a7ec.29975269_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:14:37 -0500 From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver on the Brain! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0175_01C1B1D0.4E984340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sue, I was not able to open the page as I got an error message saying = there is a problem with the URL. Perhaps you could re-check your source = and get a corrected URL, and I would be happy to give you my 2 cents = worth. =20 Sincerely, John Enos TrapRJohn traprjon@mediaone.net=20 "The saddest epitaph which can be carved in memory of a vanished = liberty,=20 is that it was lost because it's possessors failed to stretch forth a = saving hand,=20 while yet there was time." -- Justice George Sutherland, 1938=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SUE RAVEN=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver on the Brain! Mr. John Enos, I would like your critique of the quality of the info on this site on = beavers. =20 http://deal.unl.edu/icwdm/handbook/handbook/allPDF/ro_b1.pdf=20 =20 Sue Raven - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click = Here ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_000_0175_01C1B1D0.4E984340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Sue,
    I was not able to open the page = as I got an=20 error message saying there is a problem with the URL.  Perhaps you = could=20 re-check your source and get a corrected URL, and I would be happy to = give you=20 my 2 cents worth. 
Sincerely,
John Enos
TrapRJohn
traprjon@mediaone.net
"The = saddest=20 epitaph which can be carved in memory of a vanished liberty,
is that = it was=20 lost because it's possessors failed to stretch forth a saving hand, =
while=20 yet there was time."    -- Justice George Sutherland, = 1938=20
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 SUE RAVEN
Sent: Saturday, February 09, = 2002 7:49=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver = on the=20 Brain!



Mr. John Enos,
 
I would like your critique of the quality of the info on this = site on=20 beavers.
 
Sue Raven

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Larry,
You forgot to put the article with your = note.
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lwchavis@aol.com=20
Sent: Saturday, February 09, = 2002 10:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = ARTICLE -=20 Trapper Productivity

In a = message dated=20 2/9/02 7:42:22 PM Central Standard Time, Casapy123@aol.com = writes:


Here is the article in its entirety.  It was = published in=20 The Trapline, vol.
3, #3, Spring 2000.  I hope you find it=20 helpful.


Thanks much.
Larry In MS=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1B213.87BB3400-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:54:13 EST From: Lwchavis@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: ARTICLE - Trapper Productivity - --part1_178.35c487d.2997ffb5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/10/02 9:18:29 AM Central Standard Time, tvenden@etex.net writes: > Larry, > You forgot to put the article with your note. > Terry > Actually, I was just thanking Mr. Hardee, who had posted the article to the list. ;-) Larry in MS - --part1_178.35c487d.2997ffb5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/10/02 9:18:29 AM Central Standard Time, tvenden@etex.net writes:


Larry,
You forgot to put the article with your note.
Terry


Actually, I was just thanking Mr. Hardee, who had posted the article to the list. ;-)
Larry in MS - --part1_178.35c487d.2997ffb5_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 10 Feb 2002 10:46:04 -0700 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Houses - research On Sunday, March 30, 1941, SWzypher@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 2/9/02 7:13:36 PM, tetontodd@juno.com >writes: > ><locally?>> > >Yes. Not for publication at the moment but it will be good. Do you have = any=20 >of the source material I am seeking??? >Dick > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:31:26 -0500 (EST) From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti) Subject: MtMan-List: Cougar Explosion in California Amen, Hardtack (Randy Bublitz) and Trapper John (Enos). Thanks for posting that very insightful information. The hunters, trappers and shooters in that state are up against unbelievable resistance. You brothers in Cal must feel at times like living in the country's largest outdoor insane asylum. God help us. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Michigan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:45:29 -0700 From: "p monty" Subject: MtMan-List: hardtack recipe? Hello All, Does any one have a good period recipe for hardtack? Thanks, Paul Montgomery _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:00:45 -0500 From: hikingonthru@cs.com Subject: RE: MtMan-List: hardtack recipe? ARCHIVES!!!!! , > >Does any one have a good period recipe for hardtack? God question, but for the sanity of all who have experienced this line of questioning MANY times, please check the archives. There are TONS of info. there if you jsut look. Good recipes and good advice. Good question...just that it has an answer that is easy to find and gives you quicker information. - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:25:54 -0500 From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hardtack recipe? Randy??? D - ----- Original Message ----- From: "p monty" To: Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 6:45 PM Subject: MtMan-List: hardtack recipe? > > > Hello All, > > Does any one have a good period recipe for hardtack? > > Thanks, > Paul Montgomery > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:49:31 -0800 From: "SUE RAVEN" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver on the Brain! >From: >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver on the Brain! >Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:14:37 -0500 > >Hi Sue, > I was not able to open the page as I got an error message saying there >is a problem with the URL. Perhaps you could re-check your source and get >a corrected URL, and I would be happy to give you my 2 cents worth. >Sincerely, >John Enos >TrapRJohn >traprjon@mediaone.net >"The saddest epitaph which can be carved in memory of a vanished liberty, >is that it was lost because it's possessors failed to stretch forth a >saving hand, >while yet there was time." -- Justice George Sutherland, 1938 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SUE RAVEN > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 7:49 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver on the Brain! > > > > > > > Mr. John Enos, > > I would like your critique of the quality of the info on this site on >beavers. > > > http://deal.unl.edu/icwdm/handbook/handbook/allPDF/ro_b1.pdf > > > Sue Raven > > Mr. John Enos, I see what you mean. My first click failed on this site. However my 2nd click got me right in. try it again and if it fails I'll send as much data as possible to get you there. Sue Raven _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:55:56 -0800 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: hardtack recipe? Hardtack Recipe: From the New Ulm Minnesota Militia 1863 3 Cups Milk (raw, or buttermilk) 8 Cups Flour (3 whole wheat, 5 unbleached) 2 tablespoons Sugar (brown, or raw) 1 tablespoon salt 4 Tablespoons Lard (vegetable shortening) Mix well and roll out 1/4" thick. Cut into 3" x 3" squares. Punch holes into a grid pattern with a wooden spoon Handle, think saltine crackers. Bake at 400 dg. for 35 minutes (to taste). The ( ) are mine. This recipe was given to me by my Garndma, her Dad served in this Militia Unit, which was formed after the Sioux uprising of 1862 in the Minnesota Territory.I've had good luck with it. All dogs and some people like it. hardtack > [Original Message] > From: p monty > To: > Date: 2/10/02 3:45:29 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: hardtack recipe? > > > > Hello All, > > Does any one have a good period recipe for hardtack? > > Thanks, > Paul Montgomery > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --- Randal Bublitz - --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers, we are Bo - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #951 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.