From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #995 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, February 20 2002 Volume 01 : Number 995 In this issue: -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Who shoots a Tulle? -牋牋牋 Re: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Trapper NOT!! -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Site Update -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Trapper NOT!! -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Laura Jean's Washington Funeral -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Shooting Stance -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Laura Jean's Washington Funeral -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Beaver catch (Trapper productivity) -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Shooting Stance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:23:43 EST From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Who shoots a Tulle? <> Well said, I use 75 grains 3F, load and prime from one horn. .60 ball with pillow ticking patch and have not found a ball in a deer yet at 50 yard or less. I still hunt and don't like shooting if I can't get in close. But I have also loaded in a timed shoot with most balls in the paper plate at 30 yards, where I used powder and ball no patching and it is amazing how many shots hit the plate compared to the careful loading shooters on line with me. So even unpatched I would say you can make meat of save your scalp. Y.M.O.S. C.T.Oakes - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:32:12 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Trapper NOT!! Thanks Guys, Luckily when I saw the critter on the road, I checked the trapping and hunting laws that I carry. In Georgia, otter trapping is legal. Now, I did find him on the last day of the trapping season. Lucky for me, but I have contacted the local WMA / DNR manager and he is getting back with me later this week. The DNR manager knows I am an upstanding guy and if it is illegal, I have no problem donating it to the local Cherokee museum. Just a shame to let such a monster get trashed on the road. Critters this big need to be immortalized. In Georgia, ya better not buy or sell any black bear parts. You can have bear parts if you kill the bear, but that is it. A gent at a rendezvous 4 years ago tried to trade me a bear skin. Almost made the trade but a kindly old buckskinner set this greenhorn straight. I will let ya'll know how it works out. Thanks, Frank hist_text@lists.xmission.com wrote: > Greets Hawk is totally right on having certain animals and or parts although Native Americans can have parts with documentation from state...in most cases.. Run into this few years back on a griz claw necklace. Otter is protected in some states... I think {not sure} certain items can be had if documentation is had from the Native source Dont get caught in Fl woth Panther parts... big time trouble.. Sam - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Trapper NOT!! > FRANK--- > nice you saved that big otter skin---sure wish i had one---but i would > sincerely suggest you do a bit of checking in your local area you > live---some areas it's not legal to catch or possess otters---in some > areas of the US they are considered as endangered species---like eagles > and egal feathers---those feathers can cost you $1000 a piece or more if > they are not legal ones------and in some areas its legal to trap otters > and such---also there is a season for trapping when it is legal---it gets > kina hard to explain where and when you got a nice pelt like that to a > game and fish guy if they saw itor began to question you about it---the > game and fish guys came thru friendship a few years back and relly played > havvock with some of the hide---hair claw and such peddlers---most otter > skins wolf skins i have seen for sale come from canida and alaska and > have a number inscribed inside them to verify that they are legal---dont > want to pour gass on a fire but you might do some checking befor you do > anything with the skin---and as i say in some states it is legal to trap > and in some states it is not---in some states it is against the law to > have specific animal parts in your possession.in florida i believe that > otters are protected in some areas-- > > sorry pard just wanted to make you awair of the neat thing you have in > your possession---may or may not be a problem--- > > "HAWK" > Michael Pierce "Home of the "Old Grizz (C) product line & "the > Arkansas Underhammers" > 854 Glenfield Dr > Palm Harbor, Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815 > e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web > site:http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:04:50 -0500 From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: MtMan-List: Site Update Sorry for any cross-posting & crass shameless self promotion... I have a rather large site update, mostly on the knife page. If you want to take a look... Go to http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 Thanks Much D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:47:36 -0500 From: "traprjon" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Trapper NOT!! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_035F_01C1B93B.39E36F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I threw him in the back of the truck (f-150) and I notice that his = nose or what is left of it was touching one side of the bed while his = tail is touching the other. Workers on the job site mention that this = is the largest they have ever seen and tried to buy the darned thing = from me. Ho Frank, That does indeed sound like a bigun!!! A pelt to be proud = of. =20 > I managed to skin him okay, kept the feet on and started the hide = right behind the eyes as the face was kind of torn up. Sounds like you did the best that could be done with the otter, = given the circumstances!!! You will need to flesh it at some point = before you tan it. The easiest way I have found to flesh otter is with = a 6" fleshing beam and a good fleshing knife. Make sure that there are = no burrs or pine pitch or anything in the fur before fleshing, or a burr = will cause you to tear a hole in the hide. =20 Also (Maybe the most important thing) Handle the fur side just as = little as possible with your hands until the hide is tanned. Stroking = or much handling the fur of an otter will cause the ends of the fur to = bend or turn at an angle and is called "singed" because it looks just = like you got it too close to a fire and the hair singed!!! Not only = does this detract from the looks of a fine pelt, but if it was to be = sold to a fur buyer or auction, would greatly reduce the value of the = pelt. =20 > He is in the freezer right now. I am just going to make a cape. > Frank V. Rago =20 Good luck with the cape, it should be a beauty!!! Sorry I am so late = commenting here, I just got back from a long weekend away last night and = had so much e-mail, I am just getting to this one. =20 Sincerely, John Enos TrapRJohn traprjon@attbi.com=20 "The saddest epitaph which can be carved in memory of a vanished = liberty,=20 is that it was lost because it's possessors failed to stretch forth a = saving hand,=20 while yet there was time." -- Justice George Sutherland, 1938=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_035F_01C1B93B.39E36F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> I threw him in the = back of the=20 truck (f-150) and I notice that his nose or what is left of it was = touching one=20 side of the bed while his tail is touching the other. Workers on = the job=20 site mention that this is the largest they have ever seen and tried to = buy the=20 darned thing from me.

Ho Frank, That does indeed sound = like a=20 bigun!!! A pelt to be proud of.

> I managed to skin = him okay, kept=20 the feet on and started the hide right behind the eyes as the face was = kind of=20 torn up.

Sounds like you did the best that could be done = with the=20 otter, given the circumstances!!! You will need to flesh it at = some point=20 before you tan it. The easiest way I have found to flesh otter is = with a=20 6" fleshing beam and a good fleshing knife. Make sure that there = are no=20 burrs or pine pitch or anything in the fur before fleshing, or a burr = will cause=20 you to tear a hole in the hide.

Also (Maybe the most important thing) Handle the = fur=20 side just as little as possible with your hands until the hide is = tanned. =20 Stroking or much handling the fur of an otter will cause the ends of the = fur to=20 bend or turn at an angle and is called "singed" because it looks just = like you=20 got it too close to a fire and the hair singed!!! Not only does = this=20 detract from the looks of a fine pelt, but if it was to be sold to a fur = buyer=20 or auction, would greatly reduce the value of the pelt.

> He is in the freezer right = now. I am=20 just going to make a cape.
> = Frank V.=20 Rago

Good luck with=20 the cape, it should be a beauty!!! Sorry I am so late commenting = here, I=20 just got back from a long weekend away last night and had = so much=20 e-mail, I am just getting to this one.

Sincerely,
John Enos
TrapRJohn
traprjon@attbi.com
"The = saddest epitaph=20 which can be carved in memory of a vanished liberty,
is that it was = lost=20 because it's possessors failed to stretch forth a saving hand,
while = yet=20 there was time." -- Justice George Sutherland, 1938=20

- ------=_NextPart_000_035F_01C1B93B.39E36F20-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:05:48 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Laura Jean's Washington Funeral Laura Jean's funeral is being directed by Woodlawn Funeral Home, Lacey, WA, 360-491-3000. Phillip Glise, also know as Colonel Glise, is commander of a Brigade at Ft Lewis and Phillip told me the Laura's funeral will be attended by the entire Brigade. He is nearing retirement from the Army and since it is customary to present the wife of a retiring Brigade commander with a medal.......I am sure he said Legion of Merit........ the army will present the medal posthumously. I think this is rock solid awesome. Lanney Ratcliff amm1585@hyperusa.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:23:53 -0700 From: "Gretchen Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Shooting Stance Hardtack, You gave some good advice on the way to stand while shooting. I tried the close the eye thing but fairly consistantly find my aim has lowered not moved left or right. Is there something to do to correct that? Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:23:28 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura Jean's Washington Funeral thanks pard for the input---wish i could be there HAWK-- On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:05:48 -0600 "Lanney Ratcliff" writes: > Laura Jean's funeral is being directed by Woodlawn Funeral Home, > Lacey, WA, > 360-491-3000. > Phillip Glise, also know as Colonel Glise, is commander of a Brigade > at Ft > Lewis and Phillip told me the Laura's funeral will be attended by > the entire > Brigade. He is nearing retirement from the Army and since it is > customary > to present the wife of a retiring Brigade commander with a > medal.......I am > sure he said Legion of Merit........ the army will present the > medal > posthumously. I think this is rock solid awesome. > Lanney Ratcliff > amm1585@hyperusa.com > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of the "Old Grizz (C) product line & "the Arkansas Underhammers" 854 Glenfield Dr Palm Harbor, Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site:http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:31:33 EST From: Casapy123@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver catch (Trapper productivity) - --part1_10d.db8af7a.29a48eb5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Say, I posted the article on trapper productivity about a week agao but have seen no reposne to it. Did anyone read it? Surely it wasn't so good that no one wanted to rebut it? Jim Hardee - --part1_10d.db8af7a.29a48eb5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Say, I posted the article on trapper productivity about a week agao but have seen no reposne to it. Did anyone read it? Surely it wasn't so good that no one wanted to rebut it? <grin>

Jim Hardee - --part1_10d.db8af7a.29a48eb5_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:41:58 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shooting Stance On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:23:53 -0700 "Gretchen Ormond" writes: > Hardtack, > > You gave some good advice on the way to stand while shooting. I > tried > the close the eye thing but fairly consistantly find my aim has > lowered > not moved left or right. Is there something to do to correct that? > > Wynn Ormond pard--- I assume you are speaking of obtaining your natural point of aim ---if that is what you are speaking of there is two things that can be done to rasise the front of the barrel of your gun---one move the rear foot slightly to the rear---this is only good for real minor ajustments---the next thing is to move your support hand closer to your body if you need a lot of ajustment then you may have to use your fingertips to support your forstock that is rotate your hand where instead of sitting in the crotch of your hand to laying on your palm with your fingers forward or even your fingers supporting the forstock ---but remember no stress on the fingers---the most positive bone to bone support is the steadiest and you need to look for the position that requires less tention and is natural in your shooting stance---remember natural is the word--- "HAWK" Michael Pierce "Home of the "Old Grizz (C) product line & "the Arkansas Underhammers" 854 Glenfield Dr Palm Harbor, Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815 e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site:http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #995 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.