From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ Date: 01 Jan 1999 03:57:10 PST This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. 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The results do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the sponsors, Shop-By- Email.com or the Web Service Provider, ConWeb.com ======================================================= [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: In the Wilderness - 3 Jan 99 (fwd) Date: 03 Jan 1999 13:24:49 PST On Jan 3, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] IN THE WILDERNESS (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ WHERE IS THE LOVE? Shortly after winning the 1996 presidential election, Bill Clinton told a gathering of fellow Democrats that his opponents constitute a cancer on American politics, and swore to excise them from the political scene during the next four years. Before that, he claimed that our Constitution is "radical," and that its authors may have set aside too many freedoms and rights for ordinary American citizens. On the evening of Dec. 31, 1998, a reporter for CNN Headline News named Candy Crowley was talking about the dimming prospects for a Senate censure of the recently impeached Clinton, in the face of insistence from "conservatives" that the Constitution requires that the President stand trial. Crowley bemoaned the fact that censure, "a popular, mainstream idea," was going down in flames on Capitol Hill. Political discussion (and "reporting") throughout 1998, and indeed since 1992 by some odd coincidence, has been brim-full of such indictments of conservatives and the things we hold dear. We're "extremists," they say. We revere a "radical" Constitution and use it to shoot down "popular, mainstream" ideas. One might be excused for getting the impression that those speaking don't like us much. Indeed, they despise conservatives and conservatism. They hold the Constitution in contempt as an obstacle to their imposing on us uneducated, unenlightened, unwashed masses the kind of shining bureaucracy on a hill that they believe will bring about Heaven on Earth. So much for the separation of church and state. But what's most disturbing to someone like me, someone who though young at the time nevertheless remembers quite well the message of the New Left in 1968, is that the price of one Summer of Love seems to be a decade-long Winter of Hate from the same bunch. Of course, the Summer of Love was only one face of the Boomer Left -- that same splinter of American society also gave us the terrorist Weather Underground, the thuggish Students for a Democratic Society, and the murderous Black Panther Party (ask David Horowitz if you don't want to believe me). The gentle, dope-smoking hippie popularized in those songs by the Mamas & Papas, or in "Hair," was simply the benign face that the movement's darker elements found useful to win acceptance of their agenda by once-mainstream liberals and their successors, the moderates. The Summer of Love icon remains strong with many in politics and media who have rationalized the devastation caused by their "ideas," and by their constant suppression of opposition, on moral grounds rooted in the presumption of their own moral unimpeachability. After having gained ascendancy preaching that "the end does not justify the means," they have come around 180 degrees to the certainty that any means, however foul, are justified if they help to keep themselves on top and their opponents in the gutter. After all, their opponents are, by definition, evil; they want to stop The Anointed from carrying out their mission, which would be divine if there were a god, which of course there isn't, but it's still a moral imperative that brooks no dissent. Thus their slavish devotion to The Impeached One. In their view, he stands like a colossus, between us e-e-e-e-e-evil conservatives and the people at large, blocking our message with an unprecedented talent for distraction, and co-opting any ideas that threaten to be popular with the hoi polloi on whose goodwill his power depends. His interests may have nothing real in common with those of the true Boomer Leftists, but he frustrates us conservatives, and that's enough. Since we have no claim on the Summer of Love heritage that he and his supporters have wrapped themselves in, we are by definition hateful, and therefore fair game for their own hate. At the same time they tut-tut over the vengefulness of capital punishment, and argue that "an eye for an eye" is an outdated ethic, in politics they return real hate for perceived hate, real evil for alleged evil. And when the bombs are being dropped by their guy, and promise to derail efforts to punish him for his crimes, suddenly it's a "good" war. They don't want Albert Gore, Jr. to be president before 2001 -- and many of them don't want him at all. They know that he does more damage than good to the Green agenda with his lack of knowledge, his rhetorical clumsiness, and his lackluster persona. They know that as president Gore would be unable to carry off the kind of hate campaign on which Clinton has thrived. Where Clinton comes off (God help us!) as a good-ole-boy trying to do right, Gore would be perceived more accurately: as a hack politician trying to manipulate public opinion for his own benefit. Where Clinton has succeeded beyond anyone's wildest nightmares, Gore would be the conservative commentator's dream. And with Clinton no longer in the spotlight to distract the people, Gore would be recognized instantly as the reality that is the flip side of Dan Quayle's reputation. And so they are afraid. And fear is a primal emotion, far more basic than love. The modern face of the Boomer Left is that of a prince past his prime, soured on life and bereft of his ideals, blaming his misfortunes on those whom he once claimed to love -- and plotting their destruction in revenge. And that is where the love went. -30- January 3, 1999 ================================================================ EDITOR'S NOTE: "In the Wilderness" is going on a brief hiatus, but will return in two weeks' time. ================================================================ **Visit the IN THE WILDERNESS archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/advance.htm The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Rehnquist (fwd) Date: 04 Jan 1999 11:20:03 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Reply-To: texas-gun-owners@Mailing-List.net Posted to texas-gun-owners by JWallace@karta.com > This was in last week's Wash. Post, and is reprinted in today's World Net > Daily. . > > Personally, this puts my "hypocrisy monitor" beeping on Red Alert. Unlike > the rest of us, who really can't do much except bellyache amongst > ourselves & write an occasional letter to an editor or congresscritter; > Mr. Rehnquist is in a unique position to actually *DO* something about Big > Government, if he really wanted to -- Like enforcing the 9th & 10th > Amendments, for example. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++= > Rehnquist: Too Many Offenses Are Becoming Federal Crimes > By Roberto Suro > Washington Post Staff Writer > Friday, January 1, 1999; Page A02 > Demanding a fundamental change in the nation's crime-fighting strategy, > Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist yesterday called on Congress to halt > the politically popular practice of enacting federal laws against an > ever-greater number of crimes once handled in state courts. > > "The trend to federalize crimes that traditionally have been handled in > state courts . . . threatens to change entirely the nature of our federal > system," Rehnquist said in his year-end report on the federal judiciary. > > The chief justice was unusually blunt in questioning the motives behind > recently enacted statutes that have made federal crimes out of misdeeds > ranging from carjackings to failure to pay child support. And while > Rehnquist has occasionally expressed concern about the growing > jurisdiction of the federal courts, his new report is by far the most > explicit and represents his first formal complaint to Congress on behalf > of the federal judiciary. As a result, legislators and others who follow > the courts said it appears certain to frame legislative debate in the > coming year. > ***SNIP**** > > -- For help with Majordomo commands, send a message to majordomo@mailing-list.net with the word help in the message body. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: larry ball Subject: CNN gun poll--VOTE!! Date: 05 Jan 1999 07:27:10 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FC4FB71EA156F3DED5131A8D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------FC4FB71EA156F3DED5131A8D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from ns.shelfspace.com (majordom@ns.shelfspace.com [209.133.53.102]) by falcon.inetnebr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26954 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:55:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.shelfspace.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA10290 for c-r-ffl-outgoing-mrc; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:03:23 -0800 Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by ns.shelfspace.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA10284 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:03:22 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA22526 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:03:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from den-co61-31.ix.netcom.com(206.214.74.31) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma022397; Mon Jan 4 22:02:58 1999 Message-ID: <36919043.5648@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: denarius@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NC320 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-c-r-ffl@serge.shelfspace.com Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1998/guns/overview/ ______________________________ C&R FFL LIST ______________________________ E-mail: subscribe c-r-ffl to majordomo@shelfspace.com to be ADDED E-mail: unsubscribe c-r-ffl to majordomo@shelfspace.com to be REMOVED ------ Home Page: http://www.shelfspace.com/~c-r-ffl/ Mailing List Archives: http://www.shelfspace.com/~c-r-ffl/archives/ --------------FC4FB71EA156F3DED5131A8D-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: NSA,Webster Hubbell,Hillary Clinton,CIA,Red China,Vince, Foster,Lippo,Jackson Stephens,John Huang,Ron Brown (fwd) Date: 05 Jan 1999 09:08:35 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- (CharlesSmith) Subject: CAS: NEW FBI Document Links Chinagate To Whitewater Figure Webster Hubbell http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/19990105_xcsof_administra.shtml A newly de-classified document from the FBI confirms that Attorney General Reno appointed Webster Hubbell to a secret computer chip project intended to bug America. The document, a 1993 letter from FBI Director William Sessions to Janet Reno, was obtained from the Department of Justice using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The FBI letter to Reno states "During the June 30, 1993 meeting with the National Security Council staff to discuss the status of the Presidential Decision and Review Directives concerning key-escrow encryption technology and telecommunications trends, which was attended by Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell, the issue of a recommended solution to the law enforcement access problem, or the digital telephony issue, was discussed." The Department of Justice withheld many of the documents seen by Hubbell, including a SECRET report from the FBI on "Requirements For the Surveillance of Electronic Communications." The June 30, 1993 letter from Sessions to Reno states that the Whitewater figure attended a secret White House briefing on U.S. computer chip policy. In 1993, President Clinton considered mandatory legislation for a special computer chip called CLIPPER to be manufactured into all U.S. computers. According to a SECRET FBI report from 1992, the CLIPPER chip contained a "exploitable feature" which allowed the Federal Government to intercept and decode computer communications. The letter proves Ms. Reno appointed her trusted Assistant Attorney General Webster Hubbell to over-see the secret National Security Agency (NSA) encryption chip project in 1993. According to documents obtained using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Hubbell attended at least one other meeting at the National Security Agency (NSA) Headquarters in May 1993, along with White House lawyers Vince Foster and Bernard Nussbaum. Ms. Reno has been heavily involved in the making of computer security policy of interest to China since 1993. She has also supported a view to monopolize the computer security industry under the Federal government. One 1996 CIA report noted that Ms. Reno wanted to monitor all American domestic computer communications such as e-mail, using a technique to secretly intercept and decode any messages. According to CIA Director John Deutch, the government would mandate all computers be equipped with a special "back-door" system called "key recovery". Federal agents would use a secret "key" to secretly enter a back door and read any computer communication. According to the 1996 report to V.P. Gore by CIA Director Deutch, Ms. Reno proposed an all out Federal take-over of the computer industry. The Justice Department, proposed "legislation that would ... ban the import and domestic manufacture, sale or distribution of encryption that does not have key recovery." Prime targets for monitoring would be foreign governments, banks, corporations, and individuals opposing the Clinton administration. The keys were to be held by "key recovery agents" licensed by the Commerce Department. According to Congressional investigators, documents from Hubbell's personal schedule for 1993 show that the Whitewater figure met multiple times at the White House on a top secret computer chip project called CLIPPER. Hubbell met with the then National Security Council (NSC) advisor George Tenet. Tenet is currently the Director of the CIA. According to George Tenet's SECRET White House email, Ron Brown insisted that the Commerce Department be one of the key holders or be in charge of licensing key holders. Hubbell resigned from the Justice Department in April of 1994. In late June 1994, Lippo boss James Riady met with John Huang and Bill Clinton during five days of White House visits. Early the next week, a Lippo unit paid Hubbell about $100,000. In December 1994, Hubbell pled guilty to several felony charges relating to illegal billing in the Whitewater affair. Webster Hubbell also cited his Fifth Amendment rights to not testify before the Senate Congressional hearings. Two weeks after the Lippo money was given to Mr. Hubbell, John Huang got his job at the Commerce Department as Assistant Secretary. Huang's position determined technology transfers that went to places such as Indonesia and Communist China. Mr. Huang has taken the Fifth Amendment. His wife, Jane Huang, has taken the Fifth Amendment. Commerce/Lippo/DNC fundraiser and secret cleared John Huang was briefed 37 times on encryption communications by the CIA while working at the Brown controlled Commerce Department. Immediately after each briefing, Huang would walk across the street to the Lippo/Stephens Group offices and make long distance phone calls and send faxes to points unknown. Key recovery or key escrow is a government back door system designed to secretly monitor computers. Key recovery has a big downside, according to a former top Clinton official. Key Recovery can be abused by foreign powers to perform economic espionage against the U.S. or worse, to monitor political opponents around the world. "Can Key Recovery be used against dissidents and political opponents?" questioned Admiral William McConnell, the former National Security Administration Director under President's Bush and Clinton. "In a word, YES." Admiral McConnell is considered the father of the CLIPPER chip. McConnell ran the NSA under Clinton. The role of Webster Hubbell in CLIPPER raises the specter of economic and military espionage at the highest level. Orwellian computer chip technology abused by oppressive foreign governments, targeting their citizens and Americans around the globe. In fact, it was the "exploitable" feature of CLIPPER that worried U.S. government officials. The FBI Director wrote two major papers to Clinton NSC advisor George Tenet early in February of 1993. The FBI documents reveal that CLIPPER had flaws which could compromise all the computers so equipped. The FBI Director wrote "This design means that the list of chip keys associated with the chip ID number provides access to all CLIPPER secured devices, and thus the list must be carefully generated and protected. Loss of the list would preclude legitimate access to the encrypted information and compromise of the list could allow unauthorized access." The CLIPPER flaw worried other U.S. government officials. NASA decided to decline to use any CLIPPER device. In 1993 NASA Associate Administrator for Management Systems and Facilities, Benita A. Cooper, wrote "There is no way to prevent the NSA from routinely monitoring all encrypted traffic. Moreover, compromise of the NSA keys, such as in the Walker case, could compromise the entire system." Please note, Ms. Cooper referred to Soviet spy John "Walker" who is serving life in prison for disclosing U.S. Navy secret codes. In 1993 Ms. Cooper did not know of Lippo, Huang, nor Hubbell but her prophetic prediction was not so remarkable in retrospect. The role of Webster Hubbell and the First Lady at the Rose office law firm goes much deeper than Whitewater land fraud. During the 1980s, Mrs. Clinton and Webster Hubbell worked on a secret NSA project for a Rose office law firm client. This too is also clearly documented by FOIA request. Mrs. Clinton, Hubbell and Vince Foster worked on a NSA contract for Systematics of Arkansas, a firm then owned by Riady partner Jackson Stephens. Nor is the involvement of the Riadys, Huang, Hubbell, Foster, and Mrs. Clinton in a White House scandal a conspiracy theory. In 1993, the Arkansas travel firm Wide World Travel was selected by Hillary Clinton to replace the illegally fired Presidential Travel Office staff. Wide World Travel was then owned by the Lippo Group. The new FBI letter is clear evidence that Ms. Reno is in conflict of interest. She is NOT investigating the penetration of Chinese military agents inside the Clinton White House. A real investigation of the Chinese intelligence operations involving advanced U.S. secure communications should involve Webster Hubbell, General Reno, Bill Clinton and the First Lady. However, no FBI agent wishing to keep his job will show up at Janet Reno's door to ask questions - much less try to interview Mrs. Clinton. General Reno can only avoid charges of direct conflict by immediately appointing an independent Special Counsel to investigate possible treason by the President of the United States. ================================================================ New Hubbell Document released by FBI and other references - http://www.softwar.net/ fbi.html ================================================================ 1 if by land, 2 if by sea. Paul Revere - encryption 1775 Charles R. 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Newt did a lot of damage to your gun rights: 1) Newt sank the pro-gun Smith amendment 2) Newt passed the Lautenberg gun ban 3) Newt passed the anti-gun "Terror" bill 4) and the list goes on and on. Now you and I have a chance to elect a true pro-gun member of Congress in Newt's place. Dr. Christina Jeffrey (a professor at Kennesaw State University in Georgia) has recently announced her candidacy for this seat. CHRISTINA JEFFREY IS MORE THAN JUST A PRO-GUN LADY -- SHE'S A GUN RIGHTS ACTIVIST LIKE YOU AND ME. THE OTHER CONTENDER IS A PROVEN ANTI-GUNNER AND A PROVEN LOSER: former Georgia State Senator Johnny Isakson (R-Marietta). He's already lost twice in two attempts to step up to higher office. The bottom line is Christina Jeffrey's campaign needs to raise $150,000 immediately. The election will most likely be held sometime in February -- just 6 weeks away. The election will be over before you know it. So please, send the most generous contribution you can: $1,000, $500, $250, $100 or whatever you can afford to: "CHRISTINA JEFFREY FOR CONGRESS" P.O. BOX 1445 KENNESAW, GA 30144 Christina Jeffrey's opponent is a multi-millionaire with a long anti-gun history. As State Senator, Johnny Isakson co-authored the Handgun Control, Inc. version of the so-called Georgia "Brady Registration" bill. In 1993, Mr. Isakson got it passed through the Georgia Senate. But gun rights activists in Georgia managed to kill it later in the Georgia House of Representatives. Unfortunately in 1995, the so-called "Brady Registration" passed into law in Georgia. Johnny Isakson also pushed to let cities and counties all over the state impose 3-day waiting periods. When that didn't fly, he voted to let local governments impose gun control on their own citizens or people driving through. Fortunately, local gun control didn't pass either. The bottom line is: As bad as things are now, if Johnny Isakson had his way, they'd be much worse. Now, Johnny Isakson wants to move up to the U.S. Congress. As you know, anti-gunners got a big boost in the 1998 elections -- thanks largely to Newt Gingrich's contempt for pro-gun voters who had put Republicans in control of Congress back in 1994. That's why it's vital that you join me to help stop anti-gun Johnny Isakson from being elected to Congress. Mr. Isakson must be stopped now, or he may forever be a knife in our back. You see, Georgia's Sixth Congressional District is overwhelmingly Republican. The Democrats have never been able to win there. That's why this time the Democrats are running their man as a Republican. Johnny Isakson has been endorsed by the Georgia Democrats' party leader: Governor Zell Miller, a close friend of Bill Clinton. Other bosses are lining up behind the Governor. And liberal fat cats are pouring money into Mr. Isakson's war chest in an attempt to buy the election. But they've got one big problem: they don't know who they're up against. I know Christina Jeffrey, and let me tell you: she's a rare breed. Christina was born in 1947 at Fort Bliss, Texas, the daughter of a career United States Army officer. Eldest of eight children, she excelled at everything she did, from her classwork to being a champion swimmer. Christina won numerous scholarships, married in college, yet still managed to achieve the near impossible feat of getting her Ph.D. while working and raising four children. Christina began her academic career as Assistant Professor at Troy State University and she's been moving up ever since. She's been twice elected President of the American Society of Public Administration Georgia Chapter. Christina's one of the top experts in her field -- which is management of government. CHRISTINA CAN MAKE BUREAUCRATS SWEAT BULLETS. The liberals in Washington are nervous at the very thought of seeing the full power of the Office of a Congressman in the hands of somebody like Dr. Jeffrey. I've met with her on a number of occasions recently. She radiates graciousness and charm. One thing that's consistently surprised me about Christina Jeffrey is how tough she is: No matter what's put in her way, she jumps the hurdle and keeps on fighting. I think the word that best describes Christina Jeffrey is "formidable." IN SHORT, MY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN WASHINGTON HAVE CONVINCED ME THAT WHAT WE HAVE IN CHRISTINA JEFFREY IS THE ANTI-GUNNERS' WORST NIGHTMARE: A HARDLINE FEMALE PRO-GUN CHAMPION. You and I've got a rare opportunity to take a wide-open Congressional seat in a conservative district. And we're facing a hack politician: a Democrat in Republican drag. Meanwhile, wherever she goes in the district, Christina is surrounded by excited voters who sense something is happening. Women and young people love her; the only thing I know to compare it with is the Jesse Ventura phenomenon that swept Minnesota this fall. This race is ours to win. That's why I've helped Christina retain two of the best professionals in the field to organize her campaign and manage the scores of enthusiastic volunteers who are turning out to work for her. Her team has prepared a winning plan to defeat Johnny Isakson: a grass-roots program that takes the message straight to the people. We can't be stopped, no matter how much money Mr. Isakson squanders on TV. But unlike in Minnesota, where the state had to pay $300,000 in public funding to Jesse Ventura's campaign, this time the government won't be giving her a dime. And you know Christina's teacher's salary won't be enough to do the job. HERE'S HOW YOU CAN HELP: As I said, this is a rare opportunity to capture a great prize: an open congressional seat. You and I can help win it if we raise money for the Christina Jeffrey campaign. The Christina Jeffrey campaign needs to raise $150,000 immediately. That's why I'm asking you to make a rare gift, more than you'd ordinarily give. This is because of the great benefits you and I will reap when Dr. Jeffrey defeats anti-gun Johnny Isakson and goes to Washington as a constitutional leader and a champion for gun owners. Please send the most generous contribution you can: $100, $250, $500, or whatever you can afford. Remember the maximum legal limit for direct campaign donations is $1,000 per person. For example a husband and wife can give $1,000 each for a total of $2,000. Please make your check or money order payable to: "CHRISTINA JEFFREY FOR CONGRESS" Mail your check or money order right away to: CHRISTINA JEFFREY FOR CONGRESS P.O. BOX 1445 KENNESAW, GA 30144 Please write somewhere on your check or money order the word "GOA" so Christina will know exactly where her support is coming from. Also, if you give $200 or more, please write in the memo area of your check your occupation and employer. As you know, for disclosure purposes, election laws require campaigns to report that information. I hope you will give as much as you can. I also hope you will mail your contribution today. The election will most likely be held sometime in February -- just 6 weeks away. Newt has said he'll resign effective January 3rd, and the election is expected 30+ days after that. Christina needs to hear from you right away so she can plan effectively. Please respond, there is no time to lose. Yours for the Second Amendment, Larry Pratt P.S. The special election to replace Rep. Newt Gingrich who is retiring from Congress will be held soon. Please act quickly to help pro-gun leader Dr. Christina Jeffrey. She needs your help to raise money for her campaign to defeat anti-gun politician Johnny Isakson. Please mail your contribution today. ******************************** Paid for and Authorized by Gun Owners of America Political Victory Fund 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 E-Mail: goamail@gunowners.org http://www.gunowners.org - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: CNN gun poll--VOTE!! Date: 06 Jan 1999 05:28:24 PST http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1998/guns/overview/ Should Gun Manufacturers be sued by Cities? Option Percent Votes Yes 7% 536 No 90% 6719 Sometimes 3% 239 Total 7494 -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [4824434] NRA to Ax Members Council - #1 (fwd) Date: 06 Jan 1999 22:58:16 PST On Jan 06, Weldon Clark wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] NRA to Decertify Santa Barbara Members Council Former NRA Director Russ Howard sent the following to me. For the sake of your right to own firearms you should take this very seriously. Weldon Clark =96 Second Amendment Action (presently an NRA Board Member) December 27, 1998 Dear 2nd Amendment Activist: I thought you should know that the NRA Members Council of Santa Barbara California, one of the most effective councils in the nation, is being stripped of its NRA status. It's thought within the council that the action was taken in reaction to various "offenses," such as: Maintaining their independence and failing to tow the NRA's "Winning Team" party line. Refusing to support anti-gun politicians. Former NRA Finance Committee Chairman Richard Carone is an influential member. Former council President Larry Rankin was a plaintiff in last year's lawsuit that forced NRA to obey one of its own bylaws. One of Richard Carone's business partners, Steve Coombs, is the council's founder and first President. Decertification for such reasons would indicate a deplorable contempt for the American spirit of free dissent, particularly for an organization like NRA that claims to support Constitutional liberty and purports to be democratically controlled by its voting members. Even the ostensible reason for the action is authoritarian and hypocritical: The council refused to sign an agreement that would've allowed NRA's Sacramento hacks to fire and replace its elected volunteer officers at will and without reasonable cause. Meanwhile, other councils and state associations are not given the same oppressive treatment. And decertification is being done by the same NRA management that opposed last years' conflict of interest bylaw changes, accusing bylaw proponents of trying to abridge 1st Amendment rights, even likening them to the Nazi SS. The Santa Barbara Members Council is in one of the more left-chic parts of California, yet it has successfully defeated all the usual local anti-gun forays that other areas have been subjected to. Council leaders feel the decertification is another indication that the "Winning Team" is willing to sacrifice the 2nd Amendment in favor of Machiavellian internal political games, alliances with [Republican] gun rights traitors, financial self-dealing by directors, mismanagement by staff, non-competitive sweetheart deals for NRA vendors, and the return to control of the sellout "Old Guard, sporting- use-only" club as represented by Charlton Heston. [Digression: Note that while his home state of California was going to the anti-gun wolves this election, Heston was as usual missing in action. This great freedom fighter did have time, however, to hose us down yet again, this time by supporting leftist Hollywood Producer Rob Reiner's oppressive 50-cent-a-pack cigarette tax initiative, drawing out statist voters and irritating smoking gun rights supporters (see www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/3649/alerts.html). He also had time to go to other states like Ohio & Georgia to support squishy Republican opponents of NRA - endorsed Democrats.] The council is now considering affiliation with GOA or going independent. I received a copy of their final newsletter from the editor. Excerpts are included as a note. You may wish to distribute and post these on web sites. E-mail me at the address below if you need the more information or additional files or files unzipped or graphical versions etc. Sincerely, Russ Howard russ.howard@usa.net * * * * * * * Note from SBMC Newsletter Editor: Dear fellow Members Councils, I am a member of the Santa Barbara NRA. I am also the Events director and the editor of the December Santa Barbara NRA Liberty's Teeth newsletter. I have been asked by Larry Rankin a past president of the Santa Barbara NRA to give to you the final issue of what looks like the Santa Barbara's Members Council's last paper. Please realize that our organization is strong, active and well funded. We are just being thrown out of the NRA's member's council arena. We will be forced to align with another organization or we may go independent all together to defend our 2nd Amendment rights. The purpose of sending you this last newsletter is to spread the word to all members councils as to what happens to a defender of the gun rights movement when you get too strong and learn too much. Judge for your self. You can e-mail me at ajm@rain.org or better yet contact Tom Banks (current President) of our organization at tbanks@impulse.net Editor See the following web sites. www.2ndamendment.net www.nealknox.com/ Vote for NRA director candidates who will oppose this. SECOND AMENDMENT ACTION - Candidates for NRA Board Michael J. Beko Sally Drews Brodbeck William Dominguez Howard J. Fezell Dr. Daniel B. Fiora David M. Gross Fred E. Gustafson Robert E. Hodgdon Michael S. Kindberg Albert C. Ross Frank H. Sawberger Thomas L. Seefeldt John H. Trentes Glen I. Voorhees Please feel free to forward this information to all your friends and all your discussion groups. Thanks. Second Amendment Action Neal Knox =96 Chairman Weldon Clark =96 Treasurer 100 Heathwood Drive Liberty, SC 29657 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: DISAPPEARED NEWS (fwd) Date: 07 Jan 1999 08:23:16 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- DISAPPEARED NEWS - THE ORWELLIAN NIGHTMARE (c) (01/07/99) Ian Williams Goddard One of the more disturbing issues surrounding the TWA Flight 800 crash has been the claims made by some people that on the night of the crash they saw reports on TV that confirmed a missile hit, yet the reports apparently disappeared into an Orwellian black hole. NOW a news cameraman has spilled-the-beans on one of these disappeared TV reports, indicating that what people have been saying they saw on TV really was on TV. People have claimed they saw an interview right after the crash of an Air National Guard pilot as he stood on a tarmac in front of an aircraft where the pilot said the jet was hit with a missile and that Navy-missile exercises were being conducted at the time. Consistent with such an interview, the Long Island paper Suffolk Life reports [1]: "Long Island's Channel 55 cameraman James Hughes, said during an interview that he and another camera crew from one of the networks were at the airport when the C130 landed. The crew, he said, stated they saw a missile heading toward FL800 just before they witnessed the explosion. The C130 crew members were pulled away from the two camera crews by what Hughes said appeared to be their superiors and came back claiming they had seen nothing." This not only confirms TV-witness accounts of a truth-leaking interview of a pilot at an airport, but it also clearly indicates that the truth was known that night and, with the immediate censure of the pilots, it also reveals that a massive cover-up was activated immediately, which must explain why the media forgot about that explosive interview. (The C-130 was piloted by Col. William Stratemeier. Major Frederick Meyer, who said he saw a meteor-like streak, piloted an HH-60 helicopter. After retiring from the ANG, Meyer said that the first blast looked like "the detonation of an anti-aircraft shell."[2]) It would seem that if military command says forget that news, it is forgotten and any who remember it and/or who believe what those pilots said they saw are smeared by the GovtMedia as lairs, criminals, or nuts... as one who might have to be locked away. The evidence suggests military control of society. Maybe that's why the same week Pierre Salinger's report came out CNN reported [3]: "The FBI this week launched a criminal investigation, hoping to stop missile theorists." The government of a civil nation does not activate "criminal investigations" to "STOP THEORISTS" (!!), but the U.S. Govt does! MORE CONFIRMATION OF PILOTS INTERVIEW The sudden change of the pilots story is consistent with a report from Aviation Week & Space Technology [4] that the ANG C-130 pilot "said he had seen what appeared to be the trail of a shoulder-fired SAM ending in a flash on the 747," and then in the next issue, Aviation Week reports that the pilot had a sudden change of mind, now saying: "We did not see smoke trails [from a missile], any ignition source from the tail end of a rocket nor anything..." [5] And the media filmed the witness intimidation [1]: "The C130 crew members were pulled away from the two camera crews by what Hughes said appeared to be their superiors and came back claiming they had seen nothing." Anyone capable of rational thought can see (a) that the military pilots were pressured to say they did NOT see what they'd ALREADY said they saw, and (b) that this is prima facie evidence of a cover-up, and (c) specifically, a cover-up of a missile hit. If X says he saw a missile hit P, and then X gets a talking-to by superiors, and then X says he did NOT see a missile hit P, one of his two statements must be false and it stands to reason that it's the second. If the media taped those pilots changing their story under pressure and yet forget that event and portray those who believe there's a cover-up as nuts & liars, then the media are choosing to promote the cover-up. THE MAJOR MEDIA: VOICE OF THE MILITARY STATE If the media could forget about a widely-televised interview of military pilots saying FL800 was hit by a missile, pilots who are then quickly whisked away by superiors only to return saying they saw nothing, could we trust the major media to report it if someone with inside information contacted them with a major scoop? If they'd cover-up the former, they should also cover-up the latter. In fact, when James Sanders gave CBS a patch of the rocket-fuel-covered seat cushion [6] so that they too could test it, CBS gave it to the FBI instead and then assisted with the FBI's efforts to jail Sanders by spreading FBI disinformation about him. So when people say there could not be such a large cover-up since someone would come forward, it stands to reason that if someone with critical evidence did come forward and in so doing contacted a major media network to get his/her story out, the network would contact the FBI and then forget about the incident. STILL MORE DISAPPEARED AND CENSORED NEWS Speaking of news the media ignores, last September the agent who headed the FBI's "investigation" said that the "boats" below FL800 seen on the NTSB radar plot that the FBI cited the Privacy Act to conceal the identities of, were "Navy vessels that were on classified maneuvers." An outright admission by the top FBI agent of a cover-up, and recorded on tape! Would that make headlines? Not one. 100% black out! (See http://www.erols.com/igoddard/coverup4.htm) The evidence indicates that the major media operate as a team, advancing the agenda of the military-state. Consistent with that hypothesis is the fact that the day after FBI agent James Kallstrom called Hollywood director Oliver Stone a "bottom-feeder" for his plan to interview eyewitnesses of the FL800 crash in an upcoming TV program looking into the missile theory, ABC canceled the program. Other TV networks chimed in to denounce Stone's shameful effort to allow eye- witness accounts to evade the military black out, which the on-the-spot censure of the C-130 pilots proves went into effect on the night of the crash. In Closing... Our military-government may or may not have good reasons to keep the Navy maneuvers under the TWA 800 crash classified, but we as citizens do have good reason to hold up the light of free inquiry to the darkness of military-state secrecy: secret government endangers truth, freedom, and democracy. __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ [1] SUFFOLK LIFE: "Flight 800: Accident Or Terrorist Attack? - Part 4 Was There A Cover-up?" By Joey Mac Lellan. December 17, 1998. http://www.suffolklife.com/Top%20Stories/FL800_3.html http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1998/12/17/43518 [2] AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY: ANG Pilot: Jet Hit by Object. By David Fulghum, March 10, 1997. [3] CNN admits that: "The FBI this week launched a criminal investigation, hoping to stop missile theorists." http://cnn.com/US/9703/13/twa/index.html [4] AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY: Terrorist Fears Deepen With 747's Destruction. E.Phillips, P.Mann (7/22/96) p.20. [5] AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY: ANG Eyewitnesses Reject Missile Theory. By David Fulghum, July 29, 1996, page 32. [6] The Facts About the Seat Cushion J. Sanders Liberated: http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/CRASH/TWA/GLUETESTS.html FBI's Op: http://magnet.fsu.edu/~stalcup/synopsis3.htm Report On Some Of The Disappeared Evidence In The TWA 800 Case: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/coverup3.htm Recommended Site: http://www.angelfire.com/hi/TWA800 ************************************************************ Visit Ian Williams Goddard ------> http://Ian.Goddard.net (+) Something can come from nothing, if, and only if, (-) (-) that something is equal to nothing ((-)+(+) = 0). (+) ____________________________________________________________ "[I]n any closed universe the negative gravitational energy cancels the energy of matter exactly. 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  --------------B1E4E362193378A49F82B88B-- --------------CE8487ADBC82A7E2EBEA0B74-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: larry ball Subject: [Fwd: Bill of Rights Day] Date: 10 Jan 1999 18:26:34 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------56627F98B3D6BB05092A99EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------56627F98B3D6BB05092A99EE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from dbeatty.worldweb.net (doug@[209.211.80.133]) by falcon.inetnebr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24732 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:31:54 -0600 (CST) Received: (from doug@localhost) by dbeatty.worldweb.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) id SAA13250; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:31:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199901102331.SAA13250@dbeatty.worldweb.net> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by falcon.inetnebr.com id SAA04638 ALERT: Help A Political Prisoner Who Opposed "Gun Control" in=20 England If you are reading this alert, then you can help a man imprisoned=20 because he dared to publish and prove that "gun control" laws cannot work= . =20 Here is your chance to stand up for principle -- and it will cost you alm= ost=20 nothing. Philip Luty, an Englishman, was appalled at the British government=92s=20 response to a lone criminal=92s killing spree in Dunblane. Because the c= riminal=20 used a firearm to kill several people, the government took that opportuni= ty to=20 outlaw all handguns and privately owned long guns. That=92s right -- the= =20 British government outlawed all handguns and most long guns (except for=20 those held by police and military personnel). Philip Luty was opposed to gun prohibition. Philip also was fairly=20 handy with the tools in his workshop. To prove that outlawing firearms=20 cannot stop people (especially dedicated criminals) from getting firearms= ,=20 Philip set out to build a home-made machine gun. He built the gun using=20 common tools and readily available materials. He tested it safely and ne= ver=20 intended to harm anyone. Philip then wrote a book about how to build a home-made machine=20 gun. Of course, manufacturing and possessing a machine gun is highly=20 illegal in England, but Philip felt he was proving the futility of "gun c= ontrol."=20 He hired a man to take photos of the component parts and the machine gun= =20 itself, to be included in his book. Unfortunately, the photographer did = not=20 sympathize with Philip=92s cause, and informed the police of the whole=20 operation. The police swooped down with a SWAT team, but found Philip=20 missing. Nevertheless, they searched his home and found the evidence of = the=20 machinegun and its components and ammunition. Philip disappeared into=20 hiding. The police eventually captured Philip, and he was tried and=20 convicted for making and having a machinegun and ammunition. Philip had no prior criminal record. The judge acknowledged that=20 Philip had no evil or criminal intent, that he had made the gun as an act= of=20 protest. Even the arresting detective was willing to speak on Philip=92s= behalf.=20 To set an example to all would-be protesters, the judge sentenced Philip= =20 Luty to 4 years in prison this past Spring. Philip=92s attorneys appeale= d, but=20 lost. At the local prison, the authorities assessed Philip to be fit in securi= ty=20 category "D" which means "low risk." Category "D" prisoners are=20 appropriately kept in an "open" prison, with opportunities to work outsid= e=20 prison and even to visits to home on leave. =20 During the first four weeks of his imprisonment, Philip was moved=20 through five prisons. These moves put Philip at risk and highly stressfu= l and=20 disruptive to his mental state. Philip is not a hardened criminal. He h= as=20 considered suicide; he has lapsed into severe depression. =20 The prison authorities also did not treat Philip as though he fit in=20 Category "D". Instead, they erroneously (or deliberately) have treated h= im as=20 a "locksmith." Locksmiths are put in Category "B", a much higher securit= y=20 rating. Philip has never been a locksmith, and he could prove it. One o= f the=20 prison wardens apparently got the false notion that Philip was a gun-maki= ng=20 locksmith, and thus moved Philip to other, higher security prisons as soo= n as=20 possible. The false reputation has followed Philip throughout the system= . =20 Being in Category "B" means that he is confined with hardened dangerous=20 career criminals. The jailers insist on treating Philip as a high securi= ty risk,=20 when he is actually a political prisoner -- he never committed a violent = crime=20 or even attempted one. =20 Philip=92s family members have sought every legal and bureaucratic=20 means to downgrade his security rating to "D" so that Philip would not be= =20 treated like an axe murderer. The family has contacted members of=20 Parliament, for example, to no avail. =20 Philip=92s mother worked hard to try to either free Philip or to act lea= st=20 ameliorate the harsh conditions of his confinement, but the authorities t= urned=20 a deaf ear. She developed a brain tumor, and even when her condition was= =20 diagnosed to be terminal, the authorities would not even allow the harmle= ss=20 Philip to visit her before she died this Fall. Family members are asking for our help to pressure the British Home=20 Secretary (who is in charge of domestic affairs) to downgrade Philip=92s=20 security rating. Please, before you sign off today: **> send an E-mail to the Right Honorable Jack Straw MP, Home Secretary,=20 House of Commons, England. =20 **> Ask Mr. Straw to investigate why Philip Luty is being held in Categor= y=20 "B" prisons when=20 (1) Philip was originally categorized as Category "D", (2) Philip has no history of violent crime, and=20 (3) Philip is a political prisoner being punished to make a point, rather= than to=20 protect society. =20 **> Point out that the Labor government has promised to be a more=20 compassionate administration, and that Mr. Straw should show some=20 compassion to a young man being so severely punished for a non-violent ac= t=20 of political protest. You can E-mail Mr. Straw at Gen.ho@gtnet.gov.uk Or, you can fax Mr. Straw at 44 - 0171 - 273 - 3965 or 44 - 0171 - 273 = -=20 2190 (You will probably need to dial 011 first -- ask your operator if = you=20 have questions about the procedure. The country code for the UK is "44" = as=20 indicated). =20 If you are interested in reading Philip Luty=92s Book, it is entitled "Ex= pedient=20 Homemade Firearms: The 9mm Submachine Gun" and is available from=20 Paladin Press, Boulder, Colorado=20 Click on http://www.paladin-press.com =20 JPFO is America's aggressive civil rights organization. How long will we wait before horror stories like this one are even more commonplac= e in America than they are today? You can help JPFO to destroy "gun contro= l". To learn more, visit our web site at http://www.jpfo.org , or call us at (414) 769-0760, or fax us at (414) 483-8435. =20 Sincerely, =20 The Liberty Crew at JPFO P.S.-- Please post this alert everywhere throughout the world! =20 =20 =20 =20 --------------56627F98B3D6BB05092A99EE-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Sara Lee Body Count Climbs (fwd) Date: 10 Jan 1999 16:50:14 PST On Jan 10, JASPAR@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Reuters reported on Friday that "The number of U.S. deaths linked to bacteria- contaminated hot dogs and other meat products included in a nationwide recall has risen to eight." The CDC "said that six adults have died and two pregnant women have had spontaneous abortions since August because of [Sara Lee] meat products containing Listeria bacteria. More than 40 other people in 11 states have developed listeriosis, the illness cased by the bacteria." Eight dead and more than forty injured! Shall we call this the *Sara Lee slaughter?* Meanwhile, it was also reported that "Goldman Sachs food industry analyst Nomi Ghez said Friday she lowered her rating on food and consumer products maker Sara Lee ... from buy and removed the stock from the recommended list." Ghez said the deadly meat recall " ... is not likely to help the overall picture for the company's operations.'' On Thursday, there was more bad news for Sara Lee: "BOSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 7, 1999--The stakes surrounding a product recall are extremely high and rising quickly. Sara Lee Corporation ... is facing precedent setting legal allegations of negligence. The charge arises out of a December 22, 1998 recall of hot dogs and other packaged meat products .. that allegedly could contain Listeria bacteria. This suit, regardless of its outcome, raises significantly the standard of responsibility to which companies will be held. Sara Lee also faces a pre-tax charge of $50 million to $70 million in the second quarter, ending December 26, 1998 to cover the anticipated cost of the product recall." Finally, on the same day (Jan. 7), the 1998 Food Awards were announced. Sara Lee's Golden Pound Cake (a new non-frozen, non-butter pound cake that can sit on the shelf for up to 21 days) was a given a "Double Forks Down" award--a designation as one of the worst new food products introduced in 1998. *Sarah Lee foods have killed and injured more people than my handguns.* [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 1/11 (fwd) Date: 13 Jan 1999 10:32:16 PST On Jan 13, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] -----Original Message----- The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU=C9 =97 January 11, 1999 + Last August 17, EIA reported on a workshop for teachers and school officials in Pinellas County, Florida, which offered tips for dealing wit= h African-American male students. The tips included such statements as "Bla= cks tend to be expressive and emotional. As they become excited they become louder. This does not mean they are becoming aggressive." One of the ques= tions I raised: "Are these insights or stereotypes?" The question came to mind = again as I read about the teach-in controversy in Oakland. To bring you up-to-date: The Oakland school district approved a voluntary teach-in (to be held this Thursday) sponsored by members of the Oakland Education Association concerning what role race plays in capital punishme= nt. The centerpiece of the lesson will the case of Mumia Abu-Jamal, convicted= in 1982 of murdering police officer Daniel Faulkner in Philadelphia. The cas= e has become a cause c=E9l=E8bre for the American left-wing, who believe Mumia = to be innocent. The organizers claimed the lessons will be balanced, then acknowledged th= ere are no pro-capital punishment materials in the lesson plans. Mumia appear= s prominently in the materials, but neither his crime nor Officer Faulkner'= s name is mentioned. The teach-in is also in jeopardy due to the murder yesterday of Oakland Police Officer James Williams by an unidentified gun= man. "I think it would be really insensitive to proceed with this considering = the shooting of one of our local police," said School Board President Noel Ga= llo. "Our students are predominantly African American, and I think we have a responsibility to prepare them for things they will encounter in the worl= d," said Bob Mandel, a teacher who is one of the prime movers behind the teac= h-in. Putting Mumia and capital punishment aside, what are we to make of Mandel= 's statement? What are the consequences of teaching black children they need= to know more about prison than white children? And what racial message does = that send to white children? On one coast a teacher receives death threats for reading from a children's book called "Nappy Hair," and on the other coas= t some teachers want to teach African-American children they have a one in = four chance to go to prison. Which is more harmful? "Students don't need to know about prison. They need to know how to read = and write," said Shannon Reeves, president of the Oakland chapter of the NAAC= P, adding that Mandel is "a misguided liberal." Perhaps school officials wil= l compromise with a teach-in about Officer Williams =97 his life, his devot= ion to duty, and his example to students of all races. I'm not holding my breath. + Oakland not only has a problem with capital punishment, but with corpo= ral punishment. Activist Jordan Riak is petitioning the city council to make Oakland a "no spanking zone." Couple these events with the election of Je= rry Brown as mayor, and Berkeley is beginning to look staid in comparison. + One of the symbols of the capital punishment debate is the candlelight vigil. Teachers in western Washington State have co-opted the symbol for = a worthier cause =97 higher salaries. Last night, organizers from the Washi= ngton Education Association's Riverside UniServ Council placed people with cand= les along the overpasses on Interstate 5 to call attention to their tragic national ranking of 19th on the teacher salary scale. + Public Agenda released its latest survey, but don't expect NEA, AFT or= the American Association of School Administrators to be lauding its findings.= In general, the survey shows a huge opinion gap between employers and parent= s on the one hand, and teachers on the other (college professors mostly split = the difference). Healthy majorities of parents and employers endorsed reconstitution of failing schools and tying financial incentives to stude= nt improvement. Teachers oppose these measures by vast majorities. Only 33% = of employers think local public schools are doing a good job, compared to 76= % of parents and 92% of teachers. But, according to the report, "Parents read= ily admit having limited knowledge on specific questions of academic quality = and how their children and schools are performing compared with others." One = more interesting point: Asked if principals should be held accountable for improving their schools, 33% of teachers agreed. When the word "teachers" replaced "principals" in the question, support among teachers dropped to = 22%. + The Massachusetts Teachers Association has brought out the long knives = for State Rep. Hal Lane (D- Holden), a former high school principal and House chair of the legislature's Joint Committee on Education. Lane introduced = a bill that would make teachers eligible for tenure after five years (inste= ad of the current three), allow dismissals after two unsatisfactory annual evaluations, and remove a number of topics from the purview of collective bargaining. MTA appointed a special task force to plan a "grassroots camp= aign to stop the attacks on teachers and public education and to promote MTA's legislation to help improve student achievement and enhance teacher quali= ty." High on MTA's list: "competitive salaries to attract and retain highly qualified teachers." + Always bubbling underneath, resentment about class-size reduction has = begun to appear on the surface among California's intermediate grade teachers w= ho have classes of 30 students or more. There is virtually no chance the pro= gram will be expanded to include them, and their compensation and prep time re= mains the same as their less burdened colleagues. The Saddleback Valley Educato= rs Association wants to negotiate a $500 stipend for teachers with class enrollments over 33. But salary differentials of any kind still hit a raw nerve among some union officials. "I think that pits one teacher against another," said Day Higuchi, president of United Teachers Los Angeles. + Hats off to reporter Mike Bowler for his "Nine myths about education" = in last Wednesday's Baltimore Sun. Among the myths: Poor urban districts spe= nd less per-pupil than suburban districts, and schools are making steady pro= gress in hiring black teachers. "Like it or not," wrote Bowler, "the teaching f= orce in America is dominated by middle-age, white females." Sounds vaguely familiar... + The New Jersey Supreme Court began to hear arguments in State Senator J= ohn Lynch's defamation suit against the New Jersey Education Association. Lyn= ch, a Democrat, was Senate president in 1991 when he introduced a bill which wo= uld have capped salary hikes for teachers. That fall, NJEA ran a newspaper ad calling Lynch "The Boss of Bosses," claiming he controlled three mob-owne= d companies that were illegally dumping toxic waste. Lynch won re-election,= but sued NJEA anyway. Union officials calling politicians mobsters? There's a switch. + Quote of the Week: "About one-half of 1 percent of California teachers= have met the challenge." =97 California Gov. Gray Davis, informing the public = that 130 of 264,000 state teachers are nationally certified. Daniel Weintraub = of the Orange County Register pointed out that the governor was off by a fac= tor of ten. The numbers cited are one-twentieth of 1 percent. # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, ana= lysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. Fax: 916-392-1482. E-Mail: EducIntel@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: HR 109 (fwd) Date: 13 Jan 1999 10:33:33 PST On Jan 13, Bill Campbell wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] To better regulate the transfer of firearms at gun shows. (Introduced in the House) HR 109 IH 106th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 109 To better regulate the transfer of firearms at gun shows. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES January 6, 1999 Mr. BLAGOJEVICH (for himself, Mr. CASTLE, Mr. SHAYS, Mr. MORAN of Virginia, Mr. WEXLER, Mr. STARK, Mr. KENNEDY of Rhode Island, Ms. DEGETTE, Mr. JACKSON of Illinois, Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York, Mr. NADLER, Mrs. MORELLA, Mr. LIPINSKI, Ms. KILPATRICK, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. OLVER, Mrs. MALONEY of New York, Mr. UNDERWOOD, Mr. ENGEL, Mr. DAVIS of Illinois, Mr. MARKEY, Ms. DELAURO, Ms. CHRISTIAN-GREEN, Mr. FORD, Ms. CARSON, Mr. CONYERS, Ms. LEE, and Ms. LOFGREN) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary A BILL To better regulate the transfer of firearms at gun shows. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. REGULATION OF GUN SHOWS. (a) IN GENERAL- Section 923 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: `(m)(1) A person shall not hold a gun show unless-- `(A) the person is licensed to do so under this subsection; and `(B) at least 30 days have elapsed since the person, using a form which shall be prescribed by the Secretary, has notified the Secretary and the chief law enforcement officer of the postal address and the dates and times at which the gun show is to be held. `(2) A person desiring to be licensed to hold a gun show shall submit to the Secretary an application which-- `(A) contains a certification by the applicant that-- `(i) the applicant meets the requirements of subparagraphs (A) through (D) of subsection (d)(1); and `(ii) any gun show to be conducted under the license is not prohibited by State or local law, and will be conducted in accordance with the requirements of State and local law; `(B) contains a photograph and fingerprints of the applicant; and `(C) is in such form as the Secretary shall by regulation prescribe. `(3)(A) The Secretary shall approve an application submitted pursant to paragraph (2) which meets the requirements of paragraph (2). On approval of the application and payment by the applicant of such fee as the Secretary shall establish to ensure that the fees collected under this subsection are sufficient to cover the costs of issuing licenses under this subsection, the Secretary shall issue to the applicant a license which, subject to the provisions of this chapter and other applicable provisions of law, entitles the licensee to hold gun shows in interstate or foreign commerce during the 3-year period that begins with the date the license is issued. `(B) The Secretary shall approve or deny an application submitted under paragraph (2) within 60 days after the Secretary receives the application. If the Secretary fails to so act within such period, the applicant may bring an action under section 1361 of title 28 to compel the Secretary to so act. `(4)(A) Before a person not licensed under this section transfers a firearm at a gun show-- `(i) the person shall provide to the holder of the gun show written notice of-- `(I) the name, age, and address of the person and of the prospective transferee (or, in the case of a party who is a corporation or other business entity, the identity and principal and local places of business of such party); `(II) the serial number, make, and model of the firearm; and `(III) the date and location of the transfer; and `(ii) the holder of a gun show shall comply with the requirements imposed on licensed dealers by section 922(t) and subsections (g)(1)(A) and (g)(3)(A) of this section with respect to the transfer. `(B) Within 30 days after the end of a gun show for which a license is issued under this subsection, the licensee shall deliver to the Secretary all records or documents which the licensee collected pursuant to subparagraph (A) during the gun show. `(5) For purposes of this subsection, the term `gun show' means an event or function that is-- `(A) sponsored by-- `(i) a national, State, or local organization devoted to the collection, competitive use, or other sporting use of firearms; or `(ii) an organization or association that sponsors functions devoted to the collection, competitive use, or other sporting use of firearms in the community; and `(B) held at a location-- `(i) which is not specified in any license issued under subsection (b) or (c); `(ii) at which a firearm is offered for sale or transfer; and `(iii) at which 50 or more firearms are present, 1 or more of which has been shipped or tranported in interstate or foreign commerce.'. (b) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following: `(7)(A) Whoever knowingly violates section 923(m)(1) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both. `(B) Whoever knowingly violates subparagraph (A)(i) or (B) of section 923(m)(4) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both. `(C) Whoever violates section 923(m)(4)(A)(ii) by knowingly failing to comply with a provision of law specified in such section shall be punished as otherwise provided under this section for knowingly violating the provision of law.'. (c) EFFECTIVE DATE- The amendments made by this section shall apply to conduct engaged in after the 1-year period that begins with the date of the enactment of this Act. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: EIA Communique - 1/11 (fwd) Date: 13 Jan 1999 12:53:22 -0800 On Wednesday, January 13, 1999 10:32 AM, Bill Vance [SMTP:roc@xpresso.seaslug.org] wrote: > On Jan 13, Kevin McGehee wrote: > > > Putting Mumia and capital punishment aside, what are we to make of Mandel= > 's > statement? What are the consequences of teaching black children they need= > to > know more about prison than white children? And what racial message does = > that > send to white children? On one coast a teacher receives death threats for > reading from a children's book called "Nappy Hair," and on the other coas= > t > some teachers want to teach African-American children they have a one in = > four > chance to go to prison. Which is more harmful? Perhaps, that would be more tactfully put to the brats as telling them that they have a choice to learn how reading and algebra work....or how prisons work. One also feels that telling / teaching the truth is the best way....even if upsets some Jack - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Re: EIA Communique - 1/11 (fwd) Date: 13 Jan 1999 13:30:08 -0800 On Wednesday, January 13, Jack Perrine wrote: >On Wednesday, January 13, 1999 10:32 AM, Bill Vance [SMTP:roc@xpresso.seaslug.org] wrote: >> On Jan 13, Kevin McGehee wrote: >> >> >> Putting Mumia and capital punishment aside, what are we to make of Mandel= >> 's >> statement? What are the consequences of teaching black children they need= >> to >> know more about prison than white children? And what racial message does = >> that >> send to white children? On one coast a teacher receives death threats for >> reading from a children's book called "Nappy Hair," and on the other coas= >> t >> some teachers want to teach African-American children they have a one in = >> four >> chance to go to prison. Which is more harmful? > >Perhaps, that would be more tactfully put to the brats as telling them that >they have a choice to learn how reading and algebra work....or how prisons >work. One also feels that telling / teaching the truth is the best way....even >if upsets some > >Jack People get upset and "feel" bad because they cannot agree on how they "feel about" education. In fact, they can't even discuss education except in terms of how people "feel". How people think, how they reason, isn't even considered. One camp "feels" that education should socialize the young within an existing culture and offer them the basic means to succeed in that culture. This is basically the classical conservative position. The other camp "feels" that education should give the young the means to challenge and overthrow the existing culture, presumably in order to achieve a better life. This is basically the classical liberal position. Considered rationally, these points of view are not necessarily incompatible or opposed to one another, and Roger Shattuck succinctly explains why: "We can reasonably expect a liberal education in our colleges and universities to serve two principal functions. The first is to present the historic basis of our complex culture and the political and moral standards it has evolved. The second is to offer students the intellectual basis for an evaluation of that culture, its ideals and realities. The first explains and even justifies the status quo. The second questions it. Both are essential in a democracy. Those two functions can take place together, almost simultaneously, thanks in great part to a collection of written works that founds our Western tradition and challenges it. In this respect the dialogue form in Plato, Montaigne's essays and Dostoevsky's narratives are similar. They do not pronounce: They probe and reflect. The shared reading of such foundational works gives us a basis for finding the principles and "values" by which we can live together as one country and one culture containing many parts and divisions, many classes and races." Roger Shattuck - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/4942/Shatuck1.html Though Shattuck's remarks apply to colleges, the expectations should hold nevertheless right on down to the beginning of formal schooling for a child. What passes for education now has become so politicized, so linked to agendas, that most young people in the public school system are having their heads filled with mush amounting to little more than propaganda. And when you get right down to it, one variety of mush is about the same as another, whether it is mush about prisons, or mush about reading and algebra. The people teaching the kids can do little else: their heads are full of mush, too. ------- Harry E. Barnett harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com I support Alan Keyes and Keyes 2000! Learn more at http://www.Keyes2000.org - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Liberty Web pages you need to visit: Date: 14 Jan 1999 14:15:26 -0600 (CST) http://www.judicialwatch.org http://www.worldnetdaily.com http://www.newsmax.com http://www.freerepublic.com http://www.conservativenews.org http://www.reagan.com http://www.devvy.com http://www.velasquez.com http://www.stratfor.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Senatevote.com - communication resource (fwd) Date: 15 Jan 1999 13:50:52 PST On Jan 15, Bob Mueller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Don't know anything about the site - haven't visited it yet, but it sounds interesting... ==================================================================== ========= Senatevote.com Delivers Citizens' Messages Directly to Senate U.S. Newswire 15-JAN-99 WASHINGTON, Jan. 15 /U.S. Newswire/ -- SenateVote.com ( senatevote.com) launched Thursday as thousands of people logged on to the Internet to speak out to their senators on the first day of the impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton. SenateVote.com was created as a forum for people to send their opinions on the impeachment trial to their senators. SenateVote.com collects messages that constituents post on their senators' pages, prints them, and then sends them directly to the senators' offices throughout the trial, ensuring that all opinions registered at the site get to their destination in the Senate. In addition, the site's content will be recorded and stored on CD-ROM to capture the state of the nation during this historic event, the first time an elected president has been impeached and tried. "This history-making trial comes at a time when the Internet and e-mail theoretically provide a unique opportunity for virtually all citizens to voice their opinion to their senators," said William "Sam" Sneed, spokesman for SenateVote.com. "Yet, many question what happens to the e-mails they take the time to write and send to their senators. Some question whether they are ever received. Most importantly, recent studies have documented that e-mail has the least impact upon a member of Congress." "SenateVote.com was created to provide citizens with a more effective voice in the Senate," said Sneed. Policy.com () and IntellectualCapital.com (), two of the Internet's leading nonpartisan political sites, created SenateVote.com to provide individuals with an alternative method to deliver their opinion to their senators and permanently record their opinions on this history-making event. In addition to collecting and delivering messages to the Senate, SenateVote.com serves as a resource for up-to-date news and information about the impeachment trial. Organizations with Web sites are encouraged to participate and provide their audience with a voice in the Senate by placing a SenateVote.com icon on their homepage that links to SenateVote.com. ------ Editors: SenateVote.com can be found at Please contact Steve Gilman [steve(at)a2s2.com] or Amy d'Oliveira [amyd(at)a2s2.com] with questions at 202-737-4900. ==================================================================== ========= Bob Mueller - Consultant Compuware Corporation THE UNITED STATES TROTTING ASSOCIATION 614-224-2291 Ext. 3234 bmueller@ustrotting.com Get into Harness Racing at http://www.ustrotting.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Fwd: Checkpoints for seat belt compliance? Date: 16 Jan 1999 09:15:34 -0500 Papers please These guys are making themselves nice, stationary, convenient targets for some kook with a grudge against the "authorities". Wonder if they thought about that? Tom >Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:20:40 -0500 >From: E Pluribus Unum >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) >To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network >Subject: Checkpoints for seat belt compliance? > >FRIDAY > JANUARY 15 > 1999=20 > > Checkpoints for=20 > seat belt compliance?=20 > Federal government=20 > spends millions on new plan=20 > > > By Jon E. Dougherty > =A9 1999 WorldNetDaily.com=20 > > The U.S. Department of Transportation is > spending millions of dollars to help states and > local police agencies establish random > checkpoints on the nation's highways solely for > the purpose of enforcing seat belt compliance.=20 > > DOT is calling the plan "High Visibility > Enforcement," and, according to information > posted on its Website, "High visibility > enforcement means using stepped up > enforcement, such as safety checkpoints or > other enforcement strategies, in coordination > with an earned or paid media campaign > supporting the enforcement effort.=20 > > "When people in the community understand > that law enforcement is serious about enforcing > occupant protection laws -- and actually > witness officers enforcing those laws -- they are > more likely to buckle up and buckle up their > children," DOT said.=20 > > The department has initiated a program called, > "Buckle Up, America," which encourages local > police agency use of checkpoints to gauge > compliance with state seat belt laws. DOT > literature repeatedly stresses the importance of > such measures "to ensure the safety of > children."=20 > > The provisions enabling funding for the > "Buckle Up, America" program are contained > within the Transportation Equity Act for the > 21st Century, signed into law by President > Clinton June 9, 1998. A total of $2.7 billion was > authorized for non-construction highway safety > programs, $500 million of which was budgeted > "for a new program of incentive grants to > encourage states to increase seat belt use rates" > through fiscal year 2003.=20 > > The DOT also encourages "Members of 'Buckle > Up, America' [to] help law enforcement in their > efforts to develop enforcement programs that > are both effective and visible. It might mean > assisting them with safety checkpoints, > promoting enforcement activities, or donating > merchandise or coupons that law enforcement > officers could distribute to properly buckled > occupants."=20 > > Liz Neblett, a public information officer with > the National Highway and Traffic Safety > Administration, said that members of the > "Buckle Up, America" program consisted of > local volunteers who help police administer > the program.=20 > > Asked what volunteers actually do to "assist > law enforcement personnel with safety > checkpoints," Neblett said, "Volunteers make > sure seat belts and child safety seats are > properly installed in your car." She said police > officers themselves were also able to provide > such assistance, but "sometimes it's easier to > get a volunteer" to do it.=20 > > Neblett also said that the "High Visibility > Enforcement" aspect of the Transportation > Equity Act was the primary aspect of enforcing > seat belt laws, but could not explain what > "other enforcement strategies" mentioned in > NHTSA literature actually meant.=20 > > "I'll have to get back to you on that," she told > WorldNetDaily. She did not.=20 > > Critics have questioned the legal validity of > such random enforcement measures in the > past. They say that without probable cause, > agencies and police departments violate basic > constitutional protections against illegal search > and seizure when they stop motorists they > otherwise would not suspect of being guilty of > any crime.=20 > > Others are merely skeptical of the Clinton > administration's ability to execute these kinds > of laws.=20 > > "One can't trust the Clinton administration to > administer any program in an efficient and/or > non-corrupt manner," said Tom Fitton, > president of Judicial Watch.=20 > > > > See Jon E. Dougherty's daily column. He may be > reached through E-mail at jon@usajournal.com. >--=20 >****************************************************************** > E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group =20 > P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 =20 > Grove City, OH 43123 =20 > > Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse =20 > 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.) =20 > =20 >http://www.infinet.com/~eplurib eplurib@infinet.com =20 >****************************************************************** >=20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Dr. Mengele and the FDA (fwd) Date: 17 Jan 1999 15:51:56 PST On Jan 17, Jim Zoes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Today's Chicago Tribune front page had a story about FDA sanctioned medical experimentation (specifically the testing of a new drug from Baxter) on emergency room patients without their, or their family's, consent. It seems that in 1996, the Clinton's FDA changed the rules to allow drug companies to test drugs on people without the individuals knowing about it. Clinton's got to go..... See: http://chicagotribune.com/business/businessnews/article/0,1051,ART-21855,00.h tml (sorry if the URL wraps) Jim Zoes "The Founders provided impeachment to cope with the likes of Clinton, a president who, by recidivist lying without remorse, has fallen below the threshold of minimal truthfulness and has traduced political discourse. He cannot speak credibly on grave matters, such as war. He should go, for the public good. Public opinion is neither sufficient nor necessary to justify that." George Will, 12/20/1998 "Only in Arkansas does a suicide victim use two shots -- not to mention two weapons -- to kill himself." Joseph Farah, ["Another very suspicious 'Arkancide'"] 1/12/99 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Elect ProGunner to Congress (fwd) Date: 17 Jan 1999 15:46:49 PST On Jan 17, Weldon Clark wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] [mailto:goamail@gunowners.org] Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 3:08 PM Gun Owners of America Political Victory Fund RE: PLEASE HELP GOA-PVF GET A PRO-GUN CHAMPION TO CONGRESS. January 15, 1999 Dear gun rights supporter: I have an urgent update on the pro-gun candidate (Christina Jeffrey) running to fill Newt Gingrich's vacated seat. Last time I wrote you, I told you "The bottom line is Christina Jeffrey's campaign needs to raise $150,000 immediately." I have good news. Then, I will ask you to take action. THANKS TO PRO-GUN SUPPORTERS LIKE YOU-- AND CHRISTINA JEFFREY'S HARD WORK-- CHRISTINA HAS ALREADY RAISED TWO-THIRDS OF HER IMMEDIATE GOAL. That's right. Christina Jeffrey has raised $100,000 in just three weeks time. Already the major newspapers in the district and in the state are saying that Christina Jeffrey is Johnny Isakson's biggest contender. That sounds good, right? Yes it is good. In fact, it's an amazing accomplishment. But that is just the beginning. You see, Christina Jeffrey is locked in a tight battle with Johnny Isakson, a liberal Republican who thinks he can just sell out Constitutional Principles and then buy elections. So far he has lost two statewide elections. But Johnny Isakson does not give up so easily. In fact, he has already "loaned" himself $500,000. He claims he will spend upwards of $1 million. You know what the media will do if a gun-grabber like Johnny Isakson wins. Headlines will declare "Gun Activists Lose Again." TO STAY COMPETITIVE, CHRISTINA JEFFREY'S CAMPAIGN PLAN CALLS FOR HER TO RAISE $500,000. That means Christina Jeffrey needs to raise at least $13,000 per business day to meet this aggressive budget. As you may recall from my last e-mail, Christina Jeffrey is not wealthy. So in order to run a campaign Christina has been asking virtually all her family and friends to donate to her campaign. It's paying off. IF YOU HAVE NOT YET SENT A CHECK OR MONEY ORDER TO THE JEFFREY CAMPAIGN, I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO DO SO RIGHT NOW. If you and I want to stop the gun-grabbers in Washington, we've got to elect a hard-charging, no apologies pro-2nd Amendment candidates like Christina Jeffrey to Congress. Christina Jeffrey is not your ordinary candidate. In fact, two pro-gun champions-- Congressmen Ron Paul and Helen Chenoweth-- both endorse and support Christina Jeffrey's candidacy. This race is a tremendous opportunity to elect a strong, unflinching pro-gun candidate to Congress. I hope you agree it would be such a wasted opportunity if Johnny Isakson takes this over 70% Republican seat. In the Georgia legislature, Johnny Isakson's anti-gun record includes co-authoring the Handgun Control, Inc. version of the Georgia "Brady" Registration bill. In 1993, Mr. Isakson got it passed through the Georgia Senate. But gun rights activists managed to kill it later in the Georgia House of Representatives. Unfortunately in 1995, the "Brady" Registration passed into law in Georgia. Johnny Isakson also pushed to let cities and counties all over the state impose 3-day waiting periods. When that didn't fly, he voted to let local governments impose gun control on their own citizens or people driving through. Fortunately, local gun control didn't pass either. The bottom line is: as bad as things are now, if Johnny Isakson has his way, they'll be much worse. Now, Johnny Isakson wants to move up to the U.S. Congress. IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY CONTRIBUTED TO THE CHRISTINA JEFFREY CAMPAIGN PLEASE TAKE THE FOLLOWING 2 ACTIONS FOR ME. Please take both actions-- not just 1 of them. First, in order to reach Christina's $500,000 campaign plan goal, I want you to help her campaign financially. And if you can, do so in a big way. The maximum legal limit for direct campaign donations is $1,000 per person. For example: A husband and wife can give $1,000 each for a total of $2,000. Remember: Send a personal check or money order-- not a company one. However, if you can not "max" out, please help Christina Jeffrey's campaign with as much as you can-- even if it turns out to be $500 or less. RIGHT AWAY, PLEASE MAIL YOUR MOST GENEROUS CONTRIBUTION-- whether that be $1,000 per person, $500, $250, $100, $50 or whatever you can afford-- to: "CHRISTINA JEFFREY FOR CONGRESS" Mail your check or money order as soon as possible to: CHRISTINA JEFFREY FOR CONGRESS P.O. BOX 1445 KENNESAW, GA 30144 Second, PLEASE, use the attached reply form to "print and fill out" so the campaign will know exactly who is supporting her. If you can't print out the reply form then please, write somewhere on your check or money order the word "GOA" so Christina will know exactly where her support is coming from. Also, if you give $200 or more, please write in the memo area of your check your occupation and employer. As you know, for disclosure purposes, election laws require campaigns to ask for that information. I hope you will give as much as you can. I also hope you will mail your contribution today. The election will be on February 23rd-- just a few weeks away now. Christina needs to hear from you right away so she can plan effectively. Please respond, there is no time to lose. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: In the Wilderness - 17 Jan 99 (fwd) Date: 17 Jan 1999 17:17:48 PST On Jan 17, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] IN THE WILDERNESS (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ WHEN LEFT IS RIGHT AND RIGHT IS WRONG... It's no accident that the same word describes both a particular form of liberty, and the opposite of wrong. In the old days before people could reasonably expect to exercise their God-given rights, it was possible for people, who had weapons, to force others, who didn't have weapons, to do things that were wrong. Actually, the old days persist in most of the world, and judging from recent events it appears the old days are back in the good old U. S. of A., but I'm getting ahead of myself. The concept of rights is based on the idea that people should be free to use their own judgment in matters of right and wrong. We can't defend ourselves from our Creator's judgment by blaming our deeds on the advice of others, not even the holiest of priests -- who is, after all, a fallible mortal. When all advice is given and weighed, we make the final choice ourselves, and our rights do not only *free* us to choose right, they *oblige* us to do so. The presumption here is that everyone has two things going for them: the capacity to make moral distinctions, and the desire to do the right thing. If each of us, in conducting our own lives, is free to apply these traits to the subtle moral dilemmas that come up in everyday life, we should be able to act in a moral fashion, and the result should be a society that is right and good and just. It hasn't always worked that way, but we don't always make the right choices anyway. As I've said before, this is what comes of being born of ashes and dust. We're supposed to do our best, and forgiveness is there for those who fail after having tried in all good faith, as well as for those who willfully do wrong -- if their repentance is genuine. That is His judgment to make, and His alone. Do animals have rights? Wolves don't choose their prey so as to give them a fighting chance, they go after the easiest pickings: the old, the sick, the lame. They cannot distinguish right from wrong in a moral context, unless we humans first redefine the word "morality" so as to make animal instinct the highest calling. But redefining a word doesn't change the fact that right and wrong are beyond the reach of non-sentient creatures. The only thing it does change is our understanding of morality -- and the change it wreaks is total destruction. Animals cannot have rights unless we first redefine the word "right" as it pertains to particular forms of liberty, and we cannot so redefine that word unless we totally divorce it from its sibling, "right" as in the opposite of wrong. When the former meaning of "right" becomes "the freedom to do as you please," the moral component of liberty is abolished because you may "please" to steal, or murder, or commit adultery, or bear false witness, all things that are known to be wrong, regardless of culture. (Pop quiz: How many Commandments has Bill Clinton NOT broken since becoming President, assuming innocence in the presence of reasonable doubt? If he's not batting at least .700, I'll be very surprised.) An example of the havoc that can be wrought by this sort of disconnect exists in our nation's own history: the Civil War. The Confederacy claimed that its member states' prerogatives under the U.S. Constitution had been unilaterally abrogated by Northern interests, and that therefore they were entitled to consider the contract implicit in the Constitution to have been breached. Looked at in a vacuum, they were absolutely right -- there is nothing in the Constitution, then or now, that empowers the federal government to force a state to remain a part of the Union. But their grasp of the constitutional principle of federalism was undermined by the moral contamination represented by the practice of slavery. Even though the U.S. Constitution did not ban the practice, and even though federal law could not in those days touch a state that allowed slavery, the mere fact that the Southern states held to the practice, impeached them morally when they argued about such things as justice and liberty. They argued for their states' right to permit and encourage something that was morally wrong. And, oh by the way, they also lost the war. A nation that claims the stature to be the world's political leader, must not make such a claim from a position of moral impeachment. If our leaders see fit to endorse the moral contamination that has befallen our nation during the latter half of this century, they will in effect set the stage for an inevitable collapse of American prestige and power. Being right politically is no substitute for being right morally. The Clinton Left believes that it is, and that is why they and their leader MUST be repudiated. -30- January 17, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the IN THE WILDERNESS archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/wilderness/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. Larry Flynt is the perfect moral voice for the Clinton Administration [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: The parallels between Clinton and Hitler (fwd) Date: 18 Jan 1999 16:13:22 PST On Jan 18, Eugene Gross wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hi Folks, Thought you might find this worth chewing upon! The 'New American' (8/17/98) wrote in an article entitled, "The Imperial President," in which they said that the attempted preemption of state and local governments by EO 13083 offers an ominous echo of the campaign of gleichschaltung (coordination) through which Germany's National Socialist Party (Nazi) abolished federalism and created a totalitarian state in 1933. "The plan was deceptively simple and had the advantage of cloaking the seizure of absolute power in legality," wrote left-wing historian William Shirer in "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." "The Reichstag would be asked to pass an 'enabling act' conferring on Hitler's cabinet exclusive legislative powers for four years. Put more simply, the German Parliament would be requested to turn over its constitutional functions to Hitler and take a long vacation. But since this necessitated a change in the constitution, a two-thirds majority was needed to approve it." Like Bill Clinton, Adolf Hitler urged the German Parliament to choose "progress" over "partisanship." He also exploited a "terrorist attack" (the burning of the Reichstag in February 1933) to obtain legislative support for expanding his executive powers. And, like Bill Clinton, Hitler pursued his consolidation of power through executive decrees. Beginning on March 9, 1933 -- two weeks before passage of the Enabling Act -- Hitler's government evicted sitting state governments and installed Reich Commissars to replace them. On March 31, usi9ng the powers granted through the Enabling Act, Hitler dissolved all state diets or assemblies (except for the previously Nazified diet in Prussia). On April 7, Hitler issued a law appointing Reich governors in all states and granting them power to reconstitute state and local governments. Each new governor was a National Socialist Party member and was required to follow "the general policy laid down by the Reich Chancellor." "Thus," concluded Shirer, "within a fortnight of receiving full powers from the Reichstag, Hitler had achieved what Bismarck, Wilhelm II and the Weimar Republic had never dared to attempt: he had abolished the separate powers of the historic states and made them subject to the central authority of the Reich, which was in his hands. He had, for the first time in German history, really unified the Reich by destroying its age-old federal character." By January 30, 1934, Hitler fully consummated his triumph over Germany's federal constitution by issuing a "Law for the Reconstruction of the Reich." Under that measure, according to Shirer, "Popular Assemlies' of the states were abolished, the sovereign powers of the states were transferred to the Reich, all state governments were placed under the Reich government and the state governors put under the administration of the Reich Minister of the Interior" -- that is, under the head of Germany's nationalized police. As Interior Minister Wilhelm Frick triumphantly observed on that date, "The State governments from now on are merely administrative bodies of the Reich." The parallels between Hitler's executive tyranny and that being fashioned by Bill Clinton are inexact, but instructive nonetheless. In fact, it may be that President Clinton's bid to consolidate executive power and abolish federalism by decree actually displays greater audacity than Hitler's, given that Hitler's most decisive actions were taken after the German legislature had formally surrendered power through the Enabling Act. [End of the 'New American' article] Would President Clinton attempt to make such a monstrous seizure of power through which he becomes President-for-life, and Robert Mugabe did in Zimbabwe? People who know Clinton intimately believe that he has no intention of leaving office in the year 2000, and he certainly will resist any attempts to remove him from office over the recent scandals and impeachment by the house. A study of the various Executive Orders and Presidential Decision Directives issued by Clinton shows what appears to be a pattern of setting up an environment through which he can take full control as a tyrant. En Agape, Gene [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 1/18 (fwd) Date: 18 Jan 1999 22:56:47 PST On Jan 18, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] -----Original Message----- The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU=C9 =97 January 18, 1999 + Thousands want to know: Whatever happened to EIA's fourth quarterly re= port for 1998? Okay, no one really asked; commitments to other projects merely delayed the report for a few weeks. EIA will now take your orders for Rot= ten Apples: School Crime from a Different Angle. The 32-page study recounts t= he extraordinary measures being taken in the name of school safety and compi= les evidence of crimes committed in the public education system that often go unpunished, unreported and undetected. The report is available for free. However, the continuing demand for One Yard Below, ten months after its release, forces me to add the qualifier: while supplies last. It is my ho= pe to produce Internet editions of each of EIA's reports in the near future. Co= ntact EIA at the numbers listed at the bottom of this communiqu=E9. The first r= eports will be mailed next week. + The Oakland Education Association teach-in on Mumia Abu-Jamal and the = death penalty ended with a whimper on Thursday, with only a small number of tea= chers participating. The poor reporters at the Associated Press were driven nut= s early last week, as every few hours they were forced to release stories t= hat read "it's on," followed by another that read "it's off." There was one a= spect of the debate that caught the eye of EIA. It was widely reported that the representative council of the Oakland Education Association voted 48-42, with 11 abstentions, to go ahead with = the teach-in. The San Francisco Chronicle reported that the council has about= 160 representatives, while the San Francisco Examiner reported that it had 25= 0 members. This disparity alone speaks volumes about press coverage of teac= hers' unions, but the vote says even more about union democracy at the local le= vel. In a close, contested vote, with broad public relations consequences and national media attention, the Oakland union could muster only 101 representatives. Depending on whose numbers you believe, that's either a = 63% or a 40% participation rate. Assuming Oakland teachers know who their cou= ncil reps are (a big assumption), one might ask the 60 percent who were disenfranchised on the teach-in vote how they feel about it... or whether= they care. + Philadelphia Federation of Teachers President Ted Kirsch and his entir= e slate were elected by acclamation this week. No other candidates filed nomination papers. Kirsch now begins his fourth three- year term as PFT president. "These election results reflect the desires of the membership,= " said PFT Director of Staff Jerry Jordan. + In two weeks the Florida Teaching Profession-NEA and the Florida Educa= tion Association/United will mail copies of the proposed constitution and by-l= aws for a merged state affiliate of both NEA and AFT. Next month, FTP-NEA pla= ns to hold regional hearings on the documents in order to hold a final merger v= ote at its representative assembly in May. A one-year transition period would follow a positive vote. FTP- NEA's campaign mirrors that of NEA's nationa= l merger campaign of last year. "Children have the most to gain from FTP-NE= A and FEA/U unity," reads one FTP-NEA document. Unlike last year's national vot= e, the Florida merger is expected to pass with little opposition, thus makin= g it the second state (after Minnesota) to finalize a merger. It would also be= the second NEA state affiliate to violate the provisions of New Business Item= #1, passed at the 1998 NEA Representative Assembly, which forbids state merge= rs until guidelines are established and voted on by the 1999 NEA RA. That ev= ent doesn't take place until July =97 in Orlando, Florida. + Friction between the Columbus Education Association and its parent, th= e Ohio Education Association, continues to grow. Columbus staffers returned= from their holiday break to find the fax lines disconnected, Internet access c= ut off, video conferencing center shut down, security system disabled, and telephones unable to make outgoing calls. Y2K problem a year early? No. According to the union's newsletter it was caused by "an official of the = Ohio Education Association who had negotiated for a new phone system and had imposed it on every affiliate in the state without the knowledge or permi= ssion of those affected." Columbus has threatened legal action and says "the le= vel of trust is very low." + No one involved in the public education debate can take much solace in= a poll conducted by the Public Policy Institute of California. Oh, the resu= lts had something for everyone to argue about: 36% said public education was = the most important issue in the state; more people blamed teachers for school= s' problems than any other cause; more than 80% said teachers should be paid more, but based on merit rather than seniority; more than half approved o= f vouchers; 93% believe state government wastes "some" money or "a lot," mo= re than 60% believe government is run by special interests, et al. But the same people who offered these widely divergent and often contradictory opinions had another problem: only 53% percent of them coul= d name the new governor. Clearly, we can credit the state's schools with on= e major accomplishment: creating an entire class of citizens who hold stron= g opinions based on no knowledge. Political parties can now strategize on h= ow to win the "forcefully ignorant" vote. + Quote of the Week: "They [Americans] should not be forced to pay taxes= for schools which teach religious views they disagree with." =97 former NEA President and current Executive Director of the Florida Teaching Professi= on- NEA John Ryor, explaining, in part, his opposition to school vouchers. Fair enough. How about a system where taxpayers pay for vouchers through payroll deduction, but are allowed to "object" and receive a reimbursemen= t of that portion of their taxes that go to vouchers? We can call these people= , um, "fee-payers." State and local government attorneys would determine what percentage of taxes were "chargeable" to fee-payers and what were "non- chargeable." Fee-payers would have a one-month window each year to file objections to these voucher calculations, which would be settled by arbitrators appointed by state and local legislators. Of course, these fe= e- payers would not be allowed to vote in any state or local election pertai= ning to education. Nah, who would ever go for such a cockamamie system? # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, ana= lysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. Fax: 916-392-1482. E-Mail: EducIntel@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: How to Argue in Defense of the Second Amendment (fwd) Date: 19 Jan 1999 17:17:12 PST On Jan 19, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This has been around a while, but its merit is evident in that it's still making the rounds. A little blast from the past... Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Larry Flynt is the perfect moral voice for the Clinton Administration -----Original Message----- >How to Argue in Defense of the Second Amendment -- and Win! > >For far too long, supporters of individual rights have let those who >favor state control define the terms of the argument. This a big mistake >and it is particularly evident in debate concerning the Second Amendment. > >Proponents of Second Amendment Rights have claim to the moral high >ground; it is bitter irony that, all too often, we cut our own throats in >our attempts to argumentatively defend them. > >by John Ross > >THEY SAY: "We'd be better off if no one had guns." > >WE SAY: "You can never succeed at that, criminals will always get guns." > >(FLAW: The implication here is that if you COULD succeed, it would be a >reasonable plan.). > >WE SHOULD SAY: "So, you want to institute a system where the weak and >elderly are at the mercy of the strong, the lone are at the mercy of the >gang. You want to give violent criminals a government guarantee that >citizens are disarmed. Sorry, that's unacceptable. Better we should >require every citizen to carry a gun." > >THEY SAY: "Those assault rifles have no sporting purpose. You don't >need a 30-round magazine for hunting deer --- they're only for killing >people." > >WE SAY: "I compete in DCM High Power with my AR-15. You need a >large-capacity magazine for their course of fire. My SKS is a fine deer >rifle and I've never done anything to give my government reason not to >trust me blah blah blah." > >(FLAW: You have implicitly conceded that it is OK to ban any gun with >no sporting use. And eventually they can replace your sporting arms with >arcade-game substitutes). > >WE SHOULD SAY: "your claim that 'they're only for killing people' is >imprecise. A gas chamber or electric chair is designed for killing >people and these devices obviously serve different functions than guns. >To be precise, a high-capacity military-type rifle or handgun is designed >for CONFLICT. When I need to protect myself and my freedom, I want the >most reliable, most durable, highest-capacity weapon possible. The only >thing hunting and target shooting have to do with freedom is that they're >good practice. > >THEY SAY: "If we pass this concealed carry law, it will be like the Wild >West, with shoot-outs all the time for fender benders, in bars, etc. We >need to keep guns off the streets. If doing so saves just one life, it >will be worth it." > >WE SAY: "Studies have shown blah blah blah." > >(FLAW: You have implied that if studies showed CCW laws equaled more >heat-of-passion shootings, CCW should be illegal). > >WE SHOULD SAY: "Although no state has experienced what you are >describing, that's not important. What IS important is our freedom. If >saving lives is more important than anything else, why don't we throw out >the Fifth Amendment? We have the technology to administer an annual >truth serum session to the entire population. We'd catch the criminals >and mistaken arrest would be a thing of the pas. How does that sound?" > >THEY SAY: "I don't see what the big deal is about a five day waiting >period." > >WE SAY: "It doesn't do any good, criminals don't wait five days. It's a >waste of resources blah blah blah." > >(FLAW: You have implied that if waiting periods DID reduce crime, they >would be a good idea)> > >WE SHOULD SAY: "How about a 24-hour cooling-off period with a government >review board before the news is reported? Wouldn't that prevent lives >from being ruined, e.g. Richard Jewell? An the fact that this law >applies to people who ALREADY own a handgun tells me that it's not about >crime prevention, it's about harassment. Personally, I want to live in a >free society, not a 'safe' one with the government as the chief nanny." > >THEY SAY: "In 1776, citizens had muskets. No one ever envisioned these >deadly AK-47s. I suppose you think we should all have Atomic bombs." > >WE SAY: "Uh, well, uh..." > >WE SHOULD SAY: "Actually, the Founders discussed this very issue --- >it's in the Federalist Papers. They wanted the citizens to have the same >guns as were the issue weapons of soldiers in a modern infantry. >Soldiers in 1776 were each issued muskets, but not the large field pieces >with exploding shells. In 1996, soldiers are issued M16s, M249s, etc. >but not howitzers and atomic bombs. Furthermore, according to your >logic, the laws governing freedom of the press are only valid for >newspapers whose presses are hand-operated and use fixed type. After >all, no one 1776 foresaw offset printing or electricity, let alone TV and >satellite transmission." > >THEY SAY: "We require licenses on cars, but the powerful NRA screams >bloody murder if anyone ever suggests licensing these weapons of mass >destruction." > >WE SAY: Nothing, usually, and just sit there looking dumb. > >WE SHOULD SAY: "You know, driving is a luxury, whereas firearms >ownership is a right secured by the Constitution. But let's put that >aside for a moment. It's interesting you compared guns and vehicles. >Here in the U.S. you can AT ANY AGE go into any state and buy as many >motorcycles, cars, or trucks of any size as you want and you don't need >to do anything if you don't use them on public property. If you DO want >to use them on public property, you can get a license at age 16. This >license is good in all 50 states. No waiting periods, no background >checks, nothing. If we treated guns like cars, a fourteen-year-old could >go into any state and legally buy handguns, machine guns, cannons, >whatever, cash and carry and shoot them all with complete legality on >private property. And at age 16 he could get a state license good >anywhere in the country to shoot these guns on public property." > >FINAL COMMENT: Useful with most arguments: > >YOU SAY: "You know, I'm amazed at how little you care abut your >grandchildren. I would have thought they meant more to you than >anything." > >THEY SAY: "Huh?" > >YOU SAY: Well passing this proposal won't have a big immediate effect. >I mean, in the next couple of years neither Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich >is going to open up internment camps for Americans like Roosevelt did >fifty-odd years ago. But think of your worst nightmare of a political >leader. Isn't it POSSIBLE that a person like that MIGHT be in control >here sometime in the next 30, 40, or 50 years, with 51 percent of the >Congress and 51 percent of the Senate behind him? If that does happen, >do you REALLY want your grandchildren to have been stripped of their >final guarantee of freedom? And do you really want them to have been >stripped of it BY YOU? > >These are the things we need to tell the control culture over and over >and over again. Many of them have lived all their lives under the false >impression that anything is acceptable if you can get 51 percent of the >voters or legislators to agree to it. It may take some time before they >are finally dragged, kicking and screaming, in front of the truth. > >Mr. Ross is the author of the novel Unintended Consequences which follows >several American families through decades of responsible gun ownership >all the way through to, and beyond, the day "our" government decided that >the Second Amendment no longer existed. > >Unintended Consequences can be ordered by contacting Jefferson Adams at >The Idaho Observer office. > >The only logical reason to take guns away from responsible people is to >give irresponsible people an edge in the perpetration of their crimes >against us. > >The Idaho Observer, Vol. 1, No. 2 February 1997 > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: (fwd) IP: Fw: Making Government Immune from Law (fwd) Date: 20 Jan 1999 07:44:21 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Reply-To: texas-gun-owners@Mailing-List.net Posted to texas-gun-owners by chasm@insync.net (schuetzen) On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:17:31 -0800, Jon Roland wrote: For other examples of abuse of this kind see http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/snitch/ ------------------------ Making Government Immune from Law Paul Craig Roberts January 14, 1999 If President Bill Clinton were being tried by the U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, he would be home free. In a horrendous ruling devastating for justice, fair play and the rule of law, the 10th Circuit has ruled (9-to-3) that the laws of the United States do not apply to officers and agents of the government unless Congress specifically designates that the law applies to the government. "Statutes of general purport do not apply to the United States unless Congress makes the application clear and indisputable," says the court, citing a 1873 case that "it is a familiar principle that the King is not bound by any act of Parliament unless he be named therein by special and particular words." At dispute in the case, Singleton v. U.S., is the federal statute that specifies punishment for "whoever" promises anything of value to a witness in exchange for testimony for or against another person. Under the normal reading of the statute, prosecutors who promise defendants reduced sentences in exchange for testimony against others are violating the prohibition. According to the majority opinion, federal prosecutors are not bound by the law against bribing witnesses, because they serve as alter ego for the government and "the word 'whoever' connotes a being," whereas " the U.S. is an inanimate entity, not a being. The word 'whatever' is used commonly to refer to an inanimate object. Therefore, construing 'whoever' to include the government is semantically anomalous." In other words, "whoever" doesn't mean "whoever" if the "whoever" is an officer of the government. This Clintonesque word-play is necessary because, as the court acknowledges, "no practice is more ingrained in our criminal justice system" than convicting people with purchased testimony. Faced with an emptying of the prisons, the court ruled that the U.S. government is not a government accountable to law, but a "sovereign" above the law. Prosecutors have found that it is far easier to purchase with leniency the testimony of accomplices against their confederates than to build a case against the confederates. When this practice began it was aimed at known criminals against whom evidence was lacking. But once the practice began, it has taken on a life of its own. Today many innocents are ensnared by untrue accusations from criminal defendants seeking reduced charges by producing more fodder for prosecutors. Less and less does the criminal justice system work by police investigating a known crime and building a case. All too often, the first knowledge of the "crime" occurs when a defendant seeking reduced charges accuses others. In these cases, the accusation is the sole "evidence" of the crime, and prosecutors, who serve career instead of justice, are increasingly destroying innocents with purchased testimony. A recent example is Khem Batra of Burke, Va. Mr. Batra, married with two children, came to the U.S. in 1974 from New Delhi, India. He has been a U.S. citizen since 1981 and was successfully operating his own travel agency. His troubles began when the husband of one of his employees approached him for loans to enable him to purchase distressed properties at auction. Soon Mr. Batra found himself in partnership, pooling money to bid on properties. Unbeknownst to Mr. Batra, his sometime partner was illegally obtaining multiple mortgages on the same property. When the partner was apprehended, instead of being indicted, he was wired and promised leniency in exchange for implicating others. The partner managed to implicate some mortgage companies in technical infractions and apparently made an unsuccessful attempt to implicate the Burke and Herbert Bank in Alexandria, Va. Mr. Batra was never implicated in the illegal financing schemes, but his partner, desperate to earn his leniency, testified that his money-pooling partnership with Mr. Batra was a conspiracy to under-bid the properties. On the basis of his partner's plea-bargained testimony, Mr. Batra was convicted in federal court of one count of violating the Sherman Anti-trust Act. It is a definite sign of prosecutorial abuse when the Sherman Anti-trust Act, designed to bust up large monopolies, is applied to a small-time local partnership speculating in distressed properties sold at auctions where Mr. Batra and his partner comprised one of many bidders. Such a dubious interpretation of the anti-trust statute shows an extraordinary determination to convict. But justice is forfeited when, in addition, the conviction is obtained solely through the purchased testimony of a defendant who committed a real crime and is seeking to reduce his charges. Until the Glorious Revolution when Parliament established the supremacy of law over the sovereign, kings dealt with enemies by bribing or compelling witnesses to testify against them. Once law and not the king's government was supreme, Matthew Hale established the maxim that testimony purchased with reward has no standing in court. It is an abomination that the 10th Circuit has enabled unscrupulous prosecutors to resurrect the ancient practice of convicting defendants with paid testimony. COPYRIGHT 1999 PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS DISTRIBUTED BY CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC. ? 1998, NewsMax.com Site Design by David Grumm/Luke Kelly ---------------End of Original Message----------------- ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml =================================================================== Constitution Society, 1731 Howe Av #370, Sacramento, CA 95825 916/568-1022, 916/450-7941VM Date: 01/19/99 Time: 23:17:32 http://www.constitution.org/ mailto:jon.roland@constitution.org =================================================================== **************************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address **************************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **************************************************** -- For help with Majordomo commands, send a message to majordomo@mailing-list.net with the word help in the message body. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: In the Wilderness - 20 Jan 99 (Special Edition) (fwd) Date: 20 Jan 1999 13:32:07 PST On Jan 20, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] IN THE WILDERNESS (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ THE STATE OF THE CIVILIZATION It's hard not to think malicious thoughts about some of the players in this impeachment business, but it's a temptation to be resisted at all costs. Everything we've tried in hopes of overcoming the cult of personality surrounding Bill Clinton, has failed. The Omnibus Broadcasting System -- with its subsidiaries ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN -- has made use of its influence over the passive majority in our country to keep his popularity high despite everything. Truth has made no impact on the people largely because it hasn't been told to them. And even if we had the means to reach them, they've been so thoroughly indoctrinated that they would refuse to listen to it, rejecting it as propaganda rather than truth. Clearly if there is to be a happy ending to all this, we're not capable of writing it into the script. We are faced with a test of forebearance, a lesson in the folly of pride. All through the century that is about to end, we as a civilization have convinced ourselves that we can understand all that needs to be understood -- that we can learn all that is to be known. We've decided that we can set our sights on any goal and achieve it through the determined application of will and know-how. And this is where it has gotten us. Having been warned that the Devil can quote Scripture to suit his purpose, we are nevertheless eager to debate him when he reminds us about turning the other cheek, judging not lest we be judged, and not casting stones if we are not without sin. We forget that Jesus also said, "Cast not your pearls before swine." How can we make sense of this without judging the character of those to whom He referred? The point of His comment was that there are some whose hearts we can never hope to turn with words, and that it would be a waste, not to say a sin of pride, to preach to them rather than to those whose hearts and minds are open. In our Information Age, words fly like bullets and bounce off the Kevlar that OBS has thoughtfully placed over the ears of the narcoleptic majority. Having placed our faith in The People, we find they have feet -- and heads -- of clay. Faced with such futility, we are tempted to give in to malice. That part of ourselves inherited from long-dead pagan ancestors whispers to us that if we can't persuade them, we must destroy them, or at least wish them ill. After all, the voice points out, we already are seeking to punish their leader. Why not also wish to punish those who support him, for their work in trying to shield him from justice? When the hogs trample the pearls into the mud, do we get angry at them? Do we blame all hogs everywhere, and campaign to have them all slaughtered? The matter is beyond our best powers of persuasion. We can't turn the hearts of those determined to avoid doing the right thing. God alone can move them, and if He chooses, He will. It's out of our hands. Maybe it always was. -30- January 20, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the IN THE WILDERNESS archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/wilderness/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Bilderbergers' Secret Agenda Revealed (fwd) Date: 22 Jan 1999 07:10:35 PST Here they go again..... On Jan 22, Omegamarc@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The secretive Bilderbergers held their 1997 meeting in Alanta, Ga. on June 12-15. A reliable correspondent has obtained files on what transpired at that meeting of 120 of the world's conspiratorial elite and has provided startling information to "Living Truth Ministries". The revealed material indicates that the Bilderbergers set forth six goals for their short-term agenda of global domination. These six goals severly inpact the future of the United States and it's people. Look what they have in store for us....... First goal.....It was decided that the US would promptly pay back it's so- called "black debt" of billions owed the United Nations. The US would also cough up billions more for tthe IMF (International Monetarty Fund). This money will be used to bribe the wealthy in Asia and South America to cooperate with the plotters' New World Order objectives. However, the international bankers will be the real profit-makers. Politicians from the US were instructed to make these payments to the UN and the IMF a top priority in the current session of Congress. Second goal....It was decided that NATO would be converted into a United Nations military force. However, to deceive the wary American public, the politicians and news media in the US must never reveal that NATO is an adjunct of the UN and it's New World Order. The term "NATO" must always be employed. The Bilderbergers reasoned that the American public are already propagandized to love NATO but most have come to distrust and dispise the UN. The American people will, therefore, unwittingly allow foreign commanders to be put in charge of US fighting forces as long as the deceptive term "NATO" is used as a cover. Third goal....The Bilderberger insiders decided that "Corporate Governance" would proceed at a rapid pace. A proposed multinational investment treaty will bring all the earth's corporations under a single global order,ending national sovereignty and terminating local control by nation-states over their own corporations. The giants of finance and industry-----AT&T, Lucent, Microsoft, McDonald-Douglas,IBM,Toshiba,Sony,Seiman,etc.----will be able to entirely avoid and to snub the laws and dictates of national governments, including that of the US. Thus, a global system of "Fascism" shall quickly emerge as the new millennium dawns. The new system will be pitched to the ignorant masses as "Democratic Capitalism" and will be embraced by people as free trade wisdom from the top brains and giants of the corporate world. Fourth goal....In the field of religion, an unprecedented "world ecumenical initiative" would be launched, culminating in a 200 AD global spectacle centered in Jerusalem. That city is to become the earth's spirtual center for all religions. Under the direction of the Illuminati, America's most famous- name Christian evangelist and charismatics, working closely with the Vatican, with Islamic "moderates", and with Jewish cheif rabbis and organizations, will meld together an unstoppable ecumenical juggernaut. Moreover, the Pope was to go to Cuba in 1998 and demonstrate the power of global religion,with former atheist, communist dictator Fidel Castro bowing to the Pontif's vaunted spirtual powers. The Bilderbergers also decreed that, in America, the politically powerful evengelical leaders----the Falwells, LaHayes, Robertsons, Dobsons, Colsons, Brights, Grahams,and others....would work together with the Christian charismatics, Jews, and Catholics to lobby for legislation creating a "Religious Czar." The Religious Czar, to be a puppet of the elitist organizations, such as the CFR, Freedom House, and the Jewish ADL, will be given vast 1984-styled law enforcement powers. This Czar will take the title of Director and head of a US federal agency to be called the "Office of Religious Persecution Monitoring" (ORPM). This agency will be given power by law to monitor, harass, control, and eventually "shut down" all fundamentalist religious groups and churches opposing the Illuminati's design for the global, ecumenical unity of all religions. As determined by the Illuminati and the Bilderberger insiders, the ultimate goal of the "World Ecumenical Initiative" is to cause all people of the world to accept a hazy, undefined "God" while suppressing attempts by fundalmentalists who advocate their unique deity. Bildeberger attendees were instructed that Christian and Islamic fundalmentalists are to be considered a grave threat to the world peace and order. They are to be branded by the ecumenicals and their friends in the world press both as ,"religious fanatics" and as a terrible menace to the advent of a tolerance-based, nonjudgmental "Faith Community" composed of all religions. Fifth goal....The Bilderbergers approved the Red Chinese model of economic development and administration to become the perferred model for the USA. Dissidents in America who oppose Red Chinese integration will be severely dealt with. President Bill Clinton and a pliant Congress will quickly implement Clinton's long cherished goals of a Marxist America to be set up according to what the elite know to be Red China's "CommuNazi" system. The CommuNazi ideology is the result of Hegelian synthesis. In practice, it is remarkably similar to the Illuminati's much desired, bureacratically structured, Fascist system of "Corporate Governance". Sixth goal....The Bilderberger elite made plans to insure that the police powers of all governments will be exponentially increased. Project L.U.C.I.D. will be imposed by Dec. 31, 2000 AD, with citizens in every nation being issued the controllers' Universal biometric ID Card. Funding for people of all nations to be administered this card will come from USA sources, specifically funneled into the foreign nations by the CIA. In turn, the CIA's secret "black budget" annually approved by Congress, will be greatly increased. Another item of police state business covered at the meeting had to do with Christian patriots' influence on the worldwide net. US delegates to the Bilderbergers conclave were warned about the internet troublemakers in America who are spreading "rumors, gossip, and other unfavorable information" on the Worldwide Web. The elite complained that the American dissidents are effectively exposing the elite's agenda. Thus, they must be snuffed out. It was generally acknowledged by the Bilderberger elite that it is Americas patriotic "conspiracy theorists" who almost single-handedly, are preventing the elitist's grand plan for global domination from becoming a reality. One Bilderberger leader complained: "The Pesky American resisters are very persuasive. They know too much. They have been able to convince citizens in England, Germany, Italy, Japan, and around the globe to reject our initiatives. Their use of the world computer net must be stifled before it is too late!" The fact that the six goals of the Bilderbergers' secret agenda have been executed so very neatly since the Atlanta meeting in 1997, gives us an astonishing picture of Antichrist type power being excercised on an unheralded, planetary scale. Everything is proceeding just as planned, except that, as fas as the Illuminati is concerned, there is one stubborn and irritating obstacle to their plan. The one fly in the ointment is tose menacing religious fundamentalists in America and their patriotic counterparts, the loathsome "conspiracy theorists". Especially troublesome, from the Illuminati's perspective, are the dogmatic Christians they label, "conspiracy-mongerers". People like Texe Marrs and readers of the Flashpoint Newsletter are labeled the enemy because we believe exclusively in Jesus Christ and refuse to bow and worship at the twin alters of money and power. Increasingly, the police powers can be expected to come against anyone telling the truth concerning the New World Order. Pray for them. My prayer is that God will give us all the strength and the courage to be overcomers for the Truth in this epic battle now shaping up between good and evil. May God, our deliverer, help us all as we strive for freedom and liberty in the name of Christ Jesus our Lord. "For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith" (I John 5:4) There it is guys...Mary B [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: URGENT MESSAGE! Date: 22 Jan 1999 23:00:14 PST Ok folks, it's coming down to the wire. Pass the following message around to every appropriate email list, newsgroup, and everyone you know. Tell them to phone/fax/mail/email the message to the Senate and House Prosecutors. Do this each day till Clinton gets the boot! Sorry, I don't have the Prosecutors list at this time. You can use the following email addresses for the Senate, or simply email them all at once from: http://www.in-search-of.com/frames/government/files/mail_by_demand.hts?7 email@murkowski.senate.gov, Senator_Stevens@stevens.senate.gov, senator@sessions.senate.gov, senator@shelby.senate.gov, Senator.Hutchinson@hutchinson.senate.gov, info@kyl.senate.gov, Senator_McCain@mccain.senate.gov, senator@boxer.senate.gov, senator@feinstein.senate.gov, senator_allard@exchange.senate.gov, administrator@campbell.senate.gov, senator_lieberman@lieberman.senate.gov, sen_dodd@dodd.senate.gov, senator@biden.senate.gov, comments@roth.senate.gov, connie@mack.senate.gov, bob_graham@graham.senate.gov, senator_max_cleland@cleland.senate.gov, senator_coverdell@coverdell.senate.gov, senator@akaka.senate.gov, senator@inouye.senate.gov, tom_harkin@harkin.senate.gov, chuck_grassley@grassley.senate.gov, larry_craig@craig.senate.gov, senator_fitzgerald@fitzgerald.senate.gov, dick@durbin.senate.gov, senator_lugar@lugar.senate.gov, pat_roberts@roberts.senate.gov, sam_brownback@brownback.senate.gov, jim_bunning@bunning.senate.gov, senator@mcconnell.senate.gov, senator@landrieu.senate.gov, senator@breaux.senate.gov, john_kerry@kerry.senate.gov, senator@kennedy.senate.gov, senator@mikulski.senate.gov, senator@sarbanes.senate.gov, senator@collins.senate.gov, Olympia@snowe.senate.gov, michigan@abraham.senate.gov, senator@levin.senate.gov, mail_grams@grams.senate.gov, senator@wellstone.senate.gov, john_ashcroft@ashcroft.senate.gov, kit_bond@bond.senate.gov, senatorlott@lott.senate.gov, senator@cochran.senate.gov, conrad_burns@burns.senate.gov, max@baucus.senate.gov, jesse_helms@helms.senate.gov, senator@dorgan.senate.gov, senator@conrad.senate.gov, chuck_hagel@hagel.senate.gov, qmail@kerrey-cms.senate.gov, mailbox@gregg.senate.gov, opinion@smith.senate.gov, senator@torricelli.senate.gov, Frank_Lautenberg@Lautenberg.senate.gov, Senator_Bingaman@bingaman.senate.gov, senator_domenici@domenici.senate.gov, senator@bryan.senate.gov, senator_reid@reid.senate.gov, senator@dpm.senate.gov, senator_voinovich@voinovich.senate.gov, senator_dewine@dewine.senate.gov, administrator@inhofe.senate.gov, senator@nickles.senate.gov, Oregon@gsmith.senate.gov, senator@wyden.senate.gov, senator_specter@specter.senate.gov, jack@reed.senate.gov, senator_chafee@chafee.senate.gov, qmail@hollings-cms.senate.gov, senator@thurmond.senate.gov, tim@johnson.senate.gov, tom_daschle@daschle.senate.gov, senator_frist@frist.senate.gov, senator_thompson@thompson.senate.gov, senator@hutchison.senate.gov, administrator@gramm.senate.gov, senator@bennett.senate.gov, senator_hatch@hatch.senate.gov, senator@robb.senate.gov, senator@warner.senate.gov, vermont@jeffords.senate.gov, senator_leahy@leahy.senate.gov, senator_murray@murray.senate.gov, Senator_Gorton@gorton.senate.gov, russell_feingold@feingold.senate.gov, senator_kohl@kohl.senate.gov, senator@rockefeller.senate.gov, senator_byrd@byrd.senate.gov, senator@enzi.senate.gov, craig@thomas.senate.gov To the Honorable United States Senate Honorable United States Senate United States Senate Washington, DC 20510 Dear Honorable Members of the United States Senate, When Senator Bumpers recently cited Madison's Criteria for Impeachment and Removal from Office, he locked you all into one course of action. You, and most especially those of you who have been calling for Censure, have, in the Censure Documents, cited Bill Clinton of being Guilty of _those_same_criteria_. As this is now a matter of Public Record, you _must_ now remove the President from Office, or go down to Posterity as being even bigger Liars and Hypocrites than Bill Clinton ever thought of being in his wildest dreams. Respectfully, Your name your address city, State ZipCode - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Fwd: Claremont Institute Precepts: Reverence for the Constitution Date: 23 Jan 1999 11:58:50 -0600 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Claremont Institute--PRECEPTS | | January 19, 1999 Visit | | No. 141 The impeachment of the President poses a constitutional crisis, but not in the way commonly thought. Defenders of the President raise the specter of a constitutional crisis by referring to a "coup." They say that Republicans are obstructing the "business of the country" and are trying to "overturn an election." But--as we have mentioned before--if Mr. Clinton is removed from office it will be he, the president, who has overturned the election, because he has subverted the rule of law and betrayed the purposes for which he was elected. And of course a vice-president of his own party--not some Republican opponent--will succeed him. What is happening now is spelled out in the Constitution. It is, to be sure, a rare event; the present example being only the second in our history and the first in 130 years. And it is a grave thing, deserving of the solemnity that the Senate has demonstrated...so far. But the matter of impeachment and conviction, by itself, is not a constitutional crisis. There may prove to be a crisis of another sort, however. That is the state of public opinion and popular reverence for the Constitution. Polls show that the president remains popular, even as he faces the most serious of charges and the possibility of removal from office. The same polls show the impeachment process to be unpopular. Large majorities of people do not want Mr. Clinton removed and want the whole matter to end. Perhaps this can be explained by the good economy, or a reaction against the sexual harassment laws that Mr. Clinton first supported and then was sued for violating; or perhaps something else. In any case, the Senators are not bound to the polls but to the special oath they took, and to their larger constitutional duties. Yet constitutional duty is not without risk. Consider the case of Congressman James Rogan, one of the House managers, who won re-election in November with only 50.8% of the vote. He is a young man with a long future before him, in a district that voted heavily for Clinton's re-election. If Mr. Rogan and others in the House who voted for impeachment, and those in the Senate who may vote to convict, are punished at the polls, it will not mean the end of the country, or even of the Republican Party. It will, however, make it harder next time to cultivate, to call up, and to depend upon a sense of constitutional duty in the Congress. And it will become harder to resist the momentary passions of a majority, on matters small as well as great. Even graver, if resentment against the Congress, and against the impeachment proceeding, becomes resentment against the Constitution then we will have lost something too precious to be counted in votes. The alternative is that in the end the public will regard Congress' action as justified and appropriate. They will recall that the Constitution has a purpose and integrity of its own, and that its authority is greater than whatever the latest poll numbers--or even the latest election-- decree. Through their statements and conduct, the House managers, the Chief Justice, and the Senators can remind the people that the Constitution deserves our reverence, because it requires the equal application of the law, even when popular passion would exempt its chief enforcer. We have some reason to believe that this will be the case. As Mark Helprin has written in the _Wall Street Journal_, "the American sense of justice, which though at times slow to awake has, like the long gray line, never failed us." Senior Fellow Charles Kesler and Adjunct Fellow Arnold Steinberg explore different aspects of the current impeachment proceedings in recent articles. I urge you to read them at and , or go to our home page at . Sincerely, Larry P. Arnn President, The Claremont Institute ====================================================================== Copyright (c) 1998 The Claremont Institute To subscribe to Precepts, go to: http://www.claremont.org/subscrib.cfm , or e-mail us at info@claremont.org . To be removed from this list, go to : http://www.claremont.org/remove_public.cfm , or e-mail us at info@claremont.org . For general correspondence or additional information about the Claremont Institute, e-mail : info@claremont.org , or visit our website at : http://www.claremont.org . Changing your e-mail address? Please let us know at : info@claremont.org . For press inquiries, contact Nazalee Topalian at topalian@msn.com or (909) 621-6825. The mission of the Claremont Institute for the Study of Statesmanship and Political Philosophy is to restore the principles of the American Founding to their rightful, preeminent authority in our national life. The Claremont Institute | 250 West First Street | Suite 330 | Claremont, CA 91711 | Phone (909) 621-6825 | Fax (909) 626-8724 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use Comment: Get public key from iQA/AwUBNqoNuu0M/FuXc0xJEQKMIgCfWWjRmpIPi4W/xolW7Y7m2YAbt0EAnilf QccSZf2tY2kV2BPf7XLbXjP7 =QIsD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Gun control in Australia fails] (fwd) Date: 24 Jan 1999 01:05:47 PST On Jan 23, Bill Campbell wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Interesting stuff from down south posted recently on the King County Libertarian discussion list. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``No matter how much I may exaggerate it, it must have a certain amount of truth...Now rumor travels fast but it don't stay put as long as truth'' Will Rogers Organization: Grassroots Liberty,http://libertyissues.com ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:14:07 -0800 This is part of an article that was posted on the web from talk show host Geoff Metcalf. Website address: http://www.calnews.com/archives/Metcalf12.htm Gun Control Failure Geoff Metcalf January 23, 1999 . . . Over a year ago, Australia forced gun owners to surrender 640,381 personal firearms. The confiscation included semi-automatic .22 rifles and shotguns. The program cost the government over a half BILLION dollars. Here is what happened: 1. There was a significant and dramatic increase in criminal activity (which continues). The response from the gun control advocates to the crime wave they precipitated was "Just wait....we'll be safer...you'll see..." 2. In the wake of 12 months of data, here is what anyone can see: Australia wide, homicides are up 3.2%. Assaults are up 8.6%. Armed robberies are up 44% (yeah, a 44% increase in armed robbery). Gee, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws have (and use) guns. 3. The state of Victoria saw "homicide with firearms" increase 300%. Not point 3 percent....not 3 percent.....THREE HUNDRED PERCENT INCREASE. 4. Previous to this Australian legislative brain flatulence, there had been a steady decline in homicides with firearms, and a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms. The statistic changed ONLY in the past 12 months subsequent to the gun ban. Additionally, there has been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. 5. Australia's Prime Minister, at the time of the ban, was quoted as saying "self-defense is not a reason for owning a firearm". Remember, subsequent to his comment one state saw a 300% increase in homicide with firearms. 6. Before the ban, going back to 1910, homicides in Australia averaged about 1.8-per-100,000 or lower.....a pretty safe society by any contemporary standard. Politicians down under are now between the rock and the hard place. They are at an absolute loss to manufacture an explanation for why and how there has been no improvement in 'safety' realized....especially in the wake of such a monumental, draconian effort and expense. Creative writing won't make a purse out of a sows ear. Please folks.....it is imperative that we refuse to "sacrifice a little freedom for a little security" (or the hollow promise of more security). . . . ========================= Richard Rider Economy Telcom Voice: (619) 530-1777 Fax: (619) 530-3030 Email: RRider@san.rr.com 10969 Red Cedar Dr. San Diego, CA 92131 -Mike Hihn GRASSROOTS LIBERTY... http://libertyissues.com =============================================== "Libertarians must be prepared to GOVERN now, or we're waiting for somebody else to create a free society." [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: In the Wilderness - 25 Jan 99 (fwd) Date: 25 Jan 1999 16:51:04 PST On Jan 25, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] IN THE WILDERNESS (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ PRESS RELEASE ISSUED BY HELLPAC -- THE PAC FROM HELL It is with profound satisfaction that we learn of doubt among Republican Senators as to the wisdom of their pursuit of the President's impeachment. The polls clearly show that if the impeachment trial is not ended soon, there will be Hell to pay -- so to speak. In a nation where public opinion is the law, the Republican prosecutors are acting in a lawless manner, contemptuous of the will of the people. We have invested billions in educating the public through our communications subsidiaries, and are profoundly displeased at the prospect that the newly found wisdom of the American people is now so cavalierly challenged and disregarded by elected officials. In a sane world (as we see it), a political party would do everything to secure and perpetuate its pre-eminence, and nothing to threaten it. The Republicans, by defying public opinion in their single-minded pursuit of abstract concepts that put no food on America's table, are acting in an insane manner, rushing to surrender their political position in the name of "doing the right thing." Please! When was the last time anyone heard of a politician doing the right thing? We don't elect politicians to do the right thing, we elect them to RUN THE COUNTRY! The President's private misdeeds are exactly that: private. We have always viewed as troubling the campaign by uptight, strait-laced, puritanical feminists to criminalize the natural drives and desires of the human male, and it is now clear that the sexual harassment laws enacted at their urging have turned out to be a bad idea. We believe that the same fate should befall military laws against fraternization, and workplace rules against high-ranking men engaging in intimate relations with willing minimum-wage- (or less) earning girls in the office. Mother Nature is a glorious (and gloriously sexy) woman, and she would not have created Man as the rutting beast he is if she did not intend him to rut like a beast. Nor is it reasonable to claim that deliberately misleading statements under oath rise to the level of impeachment, particularly if they are intended to conceal private conduct from prosecution under laws that should never have been enacted. The entire case against the President is based on the fact that he is true to his nature, a nature that was wrongly criminalized by Congress itself when it passed the illegitimate laws against sexual harassment. We are mystified that anyone can believe this case has merit. The Republicans bent on destroying their party claim that the President should be held to the same legal standards as anyone else, conveniently overlooking the fact that he is the President. With great power comes great responsibility, and with great responsibility must come great privilege to offset the burden. In particular we believe a President who is true to his nature must be defended against all partisan attempts to discredit or remove him, even if we may have argued FOR the removal of previous presidents who lived their lives in constant denial of their nature as rutting beasts. A nation is like a herd -- the leader has to be the rutting-est beast of them all. Nixon, Reagan and Bush were beta males in an alpha job, as proven by the fact they never boffed anyone other than their wives. The Republicans also insist that a President who commits felonies while in office is by definition unfit to serve as President. Presumably the Republicans do not consider crimes against humanity -- such as adding fuel to the nuclear arms race, or kicking millions off the welfare rolls -- to be felonies. Compared to such evil deeds, telling a sex lie under oath in an illegitimate lawsuit becomes akin to a parking ticket. And if Presidents are to be disqualified for getting a parking ticket, who shall ever qualify? Therefore, we at HellPAC -- the PAC from Hell -- urge all of the Senators to be true to their nature. Have the courage to surrender your silly individual scruples in favor of perpetuating your career and your perks. It is far more heroic to put aside petty personal morality than to be a slave to it. And remember: Everyone alive today knows what it's like to live under a bloated, oppressive leviathan of government, while almost no one knows what it's like to live under the alternative. And as we say at HellPAC, "Better the Devil you know." -30- January 25, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the IN THE WILDERNESS archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/wilderness/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Please join no_ssn@egroups.com Date: 26 Jan 1999 04:30:06 PST On Jan 26, eGroups User wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is the eGroups.com service. The moderator of the no_ssn@egroups.com group would like to invite you to join the group. To join, YOU MUST REPLY to this message. If you join, you can read group messages in your e-mail in-box or on the Web. Here is a welcome statement provided by the group moderator: ------ Thank you for joining Social Security Number Not Required. Be sure to visit our web site at http://www.semantechs.com/nossn/ for the latest information. Social Security Number Not Required is a non-partisan grassroots group formed for the purpose of publicizing the fact that there is no law requiring a person to obtain, have or use a social security number to live or work in the United States. We believe Our members have diverse opinions regarding the merits of Social Security: some believe it is good, some believe it is bad. 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The eGroups.com Team --- FREE Web-based e-mail groups! http://www.egroups.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Your Poll Totals (fwd) Date: 27 Jan 1999 05:55:44 PST On Jan 26, cpsmith@conweb.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Thanks for casting your vote back on 02-Jan-1999. We promised to send you the final totals. With the Senate now close to voting on the witness proposal and the dismissal proposal, we think it's a good time to say goodbye to this chapter of American History. Our question was posed just after the House voted the for the two articles of impeachment in late December.

The question was: Now that the President has been impeached by the House of Representatives, Should the President be removed from office by the Senate?

The final total vote total was: Yes Votes = 2177 No Votes = 559 We appreciate your participation. If you would like to be informed about our next poll, please send an email message to cpsmith@conweb.com. Put the words "Next Poll" in the subject and put your email address in the body of the message. We will send you notice of our next poll.

We thank you for your support and ask that you make a visit to our sponsor, SHOP-BY-EMAIL.com...absolutely the easiest shopping on the internet!!! http://www.shop-by-email.com/index.cfm?zn=211 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Pope Exorcises Clinton! (fwd) Date: 28 Jan 1999 14:32:58 PST On Jan 27, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] It speaks for itself. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Larry Flynt is the perfect moral voice for the Clinton Administration -----Original Message----- >Snip........ > >RITES AND WRONGS >The Vatican released its updated exorcism ritual on Tuesday, several >hours before President Clinton met privately with Pope John Paul II for >20 minutes in St. Louis. The 84-page Latinate book is the first revision >since 1614. Examples of possession by the devil are "rather scarce," >explained Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estevez, but the devil's >influence can be seen in "the idolatry of sex and power." Furthermore, >"the use of the lie is his preferred strategy.".....snip. >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Taken from the Washington Bulletin: National Review's Internet Update for >1/27/99 >http://www.nationalreview.com/ > >by John J. Miller and Ramesh Ponnuru [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: larry ball Subject: Re: Fw: Pope Exorcises Clinton! (fwd) Date: 28 Jan 1999 18:40:07 -0600 Did he first service himself? He has need. Larry Ball lball@inetnebr.com Bill Vance wrote: > On Jan 27, Kevin McGehee wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > It speaks for itself. > > Kevin McGehee > Fairbanks/North Pole, AK > mcgehee@mosquitonet.com > http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ > > Larry Flynt is the perfect moral voice for the Clinton Administration > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Williams > To: David L. Williams > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 6:29 PM > Subject: Pope Exorcises Clinton! > > >Snip........ > > > >RITES AND WRONGS > >The Vatican released its updated exorcism ritual on Tuesday, several > >hours before President Clinton met privately with Pope John Paul II for > >20 minutes in St. Louis. The 84-page Latinate book is the first revision > >since 1614. Examples of possession by the devil are "rather scarce," > >explained Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estevez, but the devil's > >influence can be seen in "the idolatry of sex and power." Furthermore, > >"the use of the lie is his preferred strategy.".....snip. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Taken from the Washington Bulletin: National Review's Internet Update for > >1/27/99 > >http://www.nationalreview.com/ > > > >by John J. Miller and Ramesh Ponnuru > > [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Fw: Pope Exorcises Clinton! (fwd) Date: 28 Jan 1999 18:11:34 PST Unknown, though some might consider that it would come under the heading of self abuse.....:-) On Jan 28, larry ball wrote: >Did he first service himself? He has need. > >Larry Ball >lball@inetnebr.com > >Bill Vance wrote: > >> On Jan 27, Kevin McGehee wrote: >> >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >> >> It speaks for itself. >> >> Kevin McGehee >> Fairbanks/North Pole, AK >> mcgehee@mosquitonet.com >> http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ >> >> Larry Flynt is the perfect moral voice for the Clinton Administration >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Williams >> To: David L. Williams >> Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 6:29 PM >> Subject: Pope Exorcises Clinton! >> >> >Snip........ >> > >> >RITES AND WRONGS >> >The Vatican released its updated exorcism ritual on Tuesday, several >> >hours before President Clinton met privately with Pope John Paul II for >> >20 minutes in St. Louis. The 84-page Latinate book is the first revision >> >since 1614. Examples of possession by the devil are "rather scarce," >> >explained Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estevez, but the devil's >> >influence can be seen in "the idolatry of sex and power." Furthermore, >> >"the use of the lie is his preferred strategy.".....snip. >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >Taken from the Washington Bulletin: National Review's Internet Update for >> >1/27/99 >> >http://www.nationalreview.com/ >> > >> >by John J. Miller and Ramesh Ponnuru >> >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) Date: 28 Jan 1999 18:13:16 PST On Jan 28, Dennis Justice wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] A friend sent me the following info. So far every time I try to access this page it shuts down Netscape. I don't think it is a problem with my computer, but I just don't know. If it is NOT a problem with my computer, someone does not want me to see the info. Makes me REALLY want to see it! If you can access it, please let me know. ================== I know many of you have been following this event. Jackie Siege of Andrews N.C. X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 THE FEDERAL SIEGE OF ANDREWS, NC http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/albania/287/index.html by Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) This web page is a joint effort of the 1st Unit of TN and the 91st Brigade of NC. There are pictures and information here that you won't hear on CNN (Communist News Network) or any other news channel. The things that are going on there are appalling. Anyone who visits will tell you that if feels like a scene out of Red Dawn. Federal agents are everywhere. They do not want the truth to get on this because it is there biggest takeover since Waco and they would like to make it end in the same way. That will not be allowed to happen. Some Americans are much more awake now. Most are blind and always will be. I have made many web pages and love doing it. I am not trying to win any awards with this one. I am purposely making low on graphic content, outside of the Andrews pictures themselves of course. So even people with slow modems can see these and navigate this site quickly. Please send the link to this site to as many people you can or link it from your own web site. Let everyone know what is going on in Andrews. If there's anything a cockroach or evil hates, it's the light. So please put them in it every chance you get. Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) Commander of TN Southeastern States Alliance ================================== Pictures on the WEB SITE: For pictures of the federal home base in Andrews Click here! For pictures of their helicopters that they are using to terrify the citizens of Andrews, night and day Click here For pictures that prove the feds plan on a long stay in Andrews Click here! Nice 4wd vehicles Click here! To view pictures of their HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) vans Click here! To view pictures of the feds marching and such Click here! For Miscellaneous pictures Click here! For pictures of a very tasteless sign that the fire department of Andrews displayed Click here! For an article on Andrews that was in USA today Click here! For an article in the Charlotte Observer Click here! ===================================== CONNECT THE DOTS Dot Bibee (DotHB@aol.com) Knoxville, TN Ph/FAX (423) 577-7011 "To Deny the Constitution is to Provoke Revolution" [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Re: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) Date: 28 Jan 1999 20:50:07 -0800 You can' t get the "information" because there is no information to be got. It's a hoax, and a pretty obvious one at that. After punching through some aliases, it turns out the domain "meltingpot.fortunecity.com" is registered to someone in London, England, . It is highly unlikely that any information like the site purports to show would be available there (England) before the local press knows anything about it, wouldn't you say? Just some jolly old Brits having a bit of a leg pull with us spoofable Yanks, wot? I suspect this is a troll to get people to access the WebSite which has in it some kind of ActiveX program which perhaps exploits a security hole in Netscape (or Win95) thus allowing it to kill Netscape. In any event, the content of the message(s) are the stuff of which Urban Legends are made ("The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!), and neither message is even very well done for that limited purpose. The lure is...well, mediocre. Your three minutes are up...but it's possible to chase the origin of the hoax down if it interests you. ------- Harry E. Barnett harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com -----Original Message----- >On Jan 28, Dennis Justice wrote: > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > A friend sent me the following info. So far >every time >I try to access this page it shuts down Netscape. >I don't >think it is a problem with my computer, but I just >don't >know. If it is NOT a problem with my computer, >someone >does not want me to see the info. Makes me REALLY > >want to see it! If you can access it, please let >me know. > >================== > >I know many of you have been following this event. > >Jackie > > > >From: DotHB@aol.com >Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:55:10 EST >To: DotHB@aol.com >Subject: [ANDREWS N.C.] Website: The Federal >Siege of Andrews N.C. >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 > >THE FEDERAL SIEGE OF ANDREWS, NC >http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/albania/287/index.html > >by Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) > > This web page is a joint effort of the 1st >Unit of TN and the 91st >Brigade of NC. > There are pictures and information here that >you won't hear on CNN >(Communist News Network) or any other news >channel. The things that are >going on there are appalling. Anyone who visits >will tell you that if >feels like a scene out of Red Dawn. > Federal agents are everywhere. They do not >want the truth to get on >this because it is there biggest takeover since >Waco and they would like to >make it end in the same way. That will not be >allowed to happen. Some >Americans are much more awake now. Most are blind >and always will be. >I have made many web pages and love doing it. I >am not trying to win any >awards with this one. I am purposely making low on >graphic content, outside >of the Andrews pictures themselves of course. So >even people with >slow modems can see these and navigate this site >quickly. Please send the >link to this site to as many people you can or >link it from your own web >site. Let everyone know what is going on in >Andrews. If there's anything a >cockroach or evil hates, it's the light. So please >put them in it every >chance you get. > >Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) >Commander of TN >Southeastern States Alliance >================================== >Pictures on the WEB SITE: >For pictures of the federal home base in Andrews >Click here! >For pictures of their helicopters that they are >using to terrify the >citizens of Andrews, night and day Click here For >pictures that prove the >feds plan on a long stay in Andrews Click here! >Nice 4wd vehicles Click here! >To view pictures of their HRT (Hostage Rescue >Team) vans Click here! >To view pictures of the feds marching and such >Click here! >For Miscellaneous pictures Click here! >For pictures of a very tasteless sign that the >fire department of Andrews >displayed Click here! >For an article on Andrews that was in USA today >Click here! >For an article in the Charlotte Observer Click >here! >===================================== > CONNECT THE DOTS > Dot Bibee (DotHB@aol.com) > > Knoxville, TN Ph/FAX (423) >577-7011 > "To Deny the Constitution is to Provoke >Revolution" > >[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** >----------------+----------+--------------------------+-------------------- - >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >----------------+----------+--------------------------+-------------------- - > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC" Subject: Re: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) Date: 29 Jan 1999 00:04:16 -0500 > You can' t get the "information" because there is no information to be got. > It's a hoax, and a pretty obvious one at that. > > After punching through some aliases, it turns out the domain > "meltingpot.fortunecity.com" is registered to someone in London, England, . > It is highly unlikely that any information like the site purports to show > would be available there (England) before the local press knows anything > about it, wouldn't you say? Just some jolly old Brits having a bit of a leg > pull with us spoofable Yanks, wot? > > I suspect this is a troll to get people to access the WebSite which has in > it some kind of ActiveX program which perhaps exploits a security hole in > Netscape (or Win95) thus allowing it to kill Netscape. > > In any event, the content of the message(s) are the stuff of which Urban > Legends are made ("The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!), and neither > message is even very well done for that limited purpose. The lure > is...well, mediocre. > > Your three minutes are up...but it's possible to chase the origin of the > hoax down if it interests you. > > ------- > Harry E. Barnett > harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com > I am a little bit confused I went to that site and there was a bit on this Andrews NC thing with pictures and all and links to USA Today and Charlotte Observer articles on why the Feds are there... Chad Chad Leigh Pengar Enterprises, Inc and Shire.Net chad@pengar.com info@pengar.com info@shire.net Full service WWW services from just space to complete sites. Low cost virtual servers. DB integration. Email forwarding -- Permanent Email Addresses. POP3 and IMAP Email Accounts. mailto:info@shire.net for any of these. *************** Macintosh: It Just Works ****************** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Re: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) Date: 28 Jan 1999 21:17:50 -0800 I suspect that you are simply not vulnerable to whatever security hole the site is exploiting, and the web site, which actually exists, of course, may have some nominal normal links thereconnected to some "sort-of" real happening, giving it all plausibility, or pass you off to the links if you're not vulnerable and if the hoax doesn't suck you in. Do an nslookup on the site domain and follow the trail as far as you care to. The hysterical tone of the "alerts" turned me off to going very far with it. I went far enough to convince myself that this was a typical "Chicken Little" story started by someone with a overactive imagination, a genetic predispostion to leg-pulling, and too much time on their hands. "Somethin' strange...in the neighborhood....who ya gonna call?...Ghostbusters!" ------- Harry E. Barnett harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com "A lie travels seven times around the world while the truth is still getting its boots on." Old Irish proverb. -----Original Message----- >> You can' t get the "information" because there is no information to be got. >> It's a hoax, and a pretty obvious one at that. >> >> After punching through some aliases, it turns out the domain >> "meltingpot.fortunecity.com" is registered to someone in London, England, . >> It is highly unlikely that any information like the site purports to show >> would be available there (England) before the local press knows anything >> about it, wouldn't you say? Just some jolly old Brits having a bit of a leg >> pull with us spoofable Yanks, wot? >> >> I suspect this is a troll to get people to access the WebSite which has in >> it some kind of ActiveX program which perhaps exploits a security hole in >> Netscape (or Win95) thus allowing it to kill Netscape. >> >> In any event, the content of the message(s) are the stuff of which Urban >> Legends are made ("The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!), and neither >> message is even very well done for that limited purpose. The lure >> is...well, mediocre. >> >> Your three minutes are up...but it's possible to chase the origin of the >> hoax down if it interests you. >> >> ------- >> Harry E. Barnett >> harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com >> > > >I am a little bit confused I went to that site and there was a bit on >this Andrews NC thing with pictures and all and links to USA Today >and Charlotte Observer articles on why the Feds are there... > >Chad >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Chad Leigh Pengar Enterprises, Inc and Shire.Net >chad@pengar.com info@pengar.com info@shire.net >Full service WWW services from just space to complete sites. >Low cost virtual servers. DB integration. >Email forwarding -- Permanent Email Addresses. POP3 and IMAP >Email Accounts. mailto:info@shire.net for any of these. >*************** Macintosh: It Just Works ****************** >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) Date: 28 Jan 1999 23:27:08 PST On Jan 28, Harry E. Barnett wrote: >You can' t get the "information" because there is no information to be got. >It's a hoax, and a pretty obvious one at that. > >After punching through some aliases, it turns out the domain >"meltingpot.fortunecity.com" is registered to someone in London, England, . >It is highly unlikely that any information like the site purports to show >would be available there (England) before the local press knows anything >about it, wouldn't you say? Just some jolly old Brits having a bit of a leg >pull with us spoofable Yanks, wot? > >I suspect this is a troll to get people to access the WebSite which has in >it some kind of ActiveX program which perhaps exploits a security hole in >Netscape (or Win95) thus allowing it to kill Netscape. > >In any event, the content of the message(s) are the stuff of which Urban >Legends are made ("The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!), and neither >message is even very well done for that limited purpose. The lure >is...well, mediocre. > >Your three minutes are up...but it's possible to chase the origin of the >hoax down if it interests you. > >------- >Harry E. Barnett >harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com You're probably right, though it has to be said that the Britnews has been a lot more forthcomming and accurate WRT the Clinton administration et al. -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) Date: 29 Jan 1999 04:42:29 -0800 On Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:27 PM, Bill Vance [SMTP:roc@xpresso.seaslug.org] wrote: > On Jan 28, Harry E. Barnett wrote: > > >You can' t get the "information" because there is no information to be got. > >It's a hoax, and a pretty obvious one at that. > > > >After punching through some aliases, it turns out the domain > >"meltingpot.fortunecity.com" is registered to someone in London, England, . > >It is highly unlikely that any information like the site purports to show > >would be available there (England) before the local press knows anything > >about it, wouldn't you say? Just some jolly old Brits having a bit of a leg > >pull with us spoofable Yanks, wot? > > > >I suspect this is a troll to get people to access the WebSite which has in > >it some kind of ActiveX program which perhaps exploits a security hole in > >Netscape (or Win95) thus allowing it to kill Netscape. > > > >In any event, the content of the message(s) are the stuff of which Urban > >Legends are made ("The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!), and neither > >message is even very well done for that limited purpose. The lure > >is...well, mediocre. > > > >Your three minutes are up...but it's possible to chase the origin of the > >hoax down if it interests you. > > > >------- > >Harry E. Barnett > >harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com > > You're probably right, though it has to be said that the Britnews has been a > lot more forthcomming and accurate WRT the Clinton administration et al. I had no difficulty in going to the website with NETSCAPE sitting on top of NT 4.0 with SP3....tho I did not go down a level and activate any of the CLICK HEREs. Perhaps, your ISP just has had complaints / suggestions about that www site and filters it so you can get to it Jack > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) / Pictures are there Date: 29 Jan 1999 04:58:01 -0800 On Thursday, January 28, 1999 8:50 PM, Harry E. Barnett [SMTP:harryb@hbbse.com] wrote: > You can' t get the "information" because there is no information to be got. > It's a hoax, and a pretty obvious one at that. > > After punching through some aliases, it turns out the domain > "meltingpot.fortunecity.com" is registered to someone in London, England, . > It is highly unlikely that any information like the site purports to show > would be available there (England) before the local press knows anything > about it, wouldn't you say? Just some jolly old Brits having a bit of a leg > pull with us spoofable Yanks, wot? > > I suspect this is a troll to get people to access the WebSite which has in > it some kind of ActiveX program which perhaps exploits a security hole in > Netscape (or Win95) thus allowing it to kill Netscape. > > In any event, the content of the message(s) are the stuff of which Urban > Legends are made ("The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!), and neither > message is even very well done for that limited purpose. The lure > is...well, mediocre. > > Your three minutes are up...but it's possible to chase the origin of the > hoax down if it interests you. > > ------- > Harry E. Barnett > harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Vance > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > > Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 8:20 PM > Subject: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) > > > >On Jan 28, Dennis Justice wrote: > > > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message > follows --------------------] > > > > A friend sent me the following info. So far > >every time > >I try to access this page it shuts down Netscape. > >I don't > >think it is a problem with my computer, but I just > >don't > >know. If it is NOT a problem with my computer, > >someone > >does not want me to see the info. Makes me REALLY > > > >want to see it! If you can access it, please let > >me know. > > > >================== > > > >I know many of you have been following this event. > > > >Jackie > > > > > > > >From: DotHB@aol.com > >Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:55:10 EST > >To: DotHB@aol.com > >Subject: [ANDREWS N.C.] Website: The Federal > >Siege of Andrews N.C. > >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 > > > >THE FEDERAL SIEGE OF ANDREWS, NC > >http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/albania/287/index.html > > > >by Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) > > > > This web page is a joint effort of the 1st > >Unit of TN and the 91st > >Brigade of NC. > > There are pictures and information here that > >you won't hear on CNN > >(Communist News Network) or any other news > >channel. The things that are > >going on there are appalling. Anyone who visits > >will tell you that if > >feels like a scene out of Red Dawn. > > Federal agents are everywhere. They do not > >want the truth to get on > >this because it is there biggest takeover since > >Waco and they would like to > >make it end in the same way. That will not be > >allowed to happen. Some > >Americans are much more awake now. Most are blind > >and always will be. > >I have made many web pages and love doing it. I > >am not trying to win any > >awards with this one. I am purposely making low on > >graphic content, outside > >of the Andrews pictures themselves of course. So > >even people with > >slow modems can see these and navigate this site > >quickly. Please send the > >link to this site to as many people you can or > >link it from your own web > >site. Let everyone know what is going on in > >Andrews. If there's anything a > >cockroach or evil hates, it's the light. So please > >put them in it every > >chance you get. > > > >Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) > >Commander of TN > >Southeastern States Alliance > >================================== > >Pictures on the WEB SITE: > >For pictures of the federal home base in Andrews > >Click here! > >For pictures of their helicopters that they are > >using to terrify the > >citizens of Andrews, night and day Click here For > >pictures that prove the > >feds plan on a long stay in Andrews Click here! > >Nice 4wd vehicles Click here! > >To view pictures of their HRT (Hostage Rescue > >Team) vans Click here! > >To view pictures of the feds marching and such > >Click here! > >For Miscellaneous pictures Click here! > >For pictures of a very tasteless sign that the > >fire department of Andrews > >displayed Click here! > >For an article on Andrews that was in USA today > >Click here! > >For an article in the Charlotte Observer Click > >here! > >===================================== I went back and checked and the pictures are certainly there .....but then a friend who had been near had also sent pictures and there seems no doubt that this operation is spending thousands of dollars more than could be justified to look for one person Jack - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) / Pictures are there Date: 29 Jan 1999 06:57:47 PST On Jan 29, Jack Perrine wrote: [snip] >I went back and checked and the pictures are certainly there >.....but then a friend who had been near had also sent pictures >and there seems no doubt that this operation is spending thousands >of dollars more than could be justified to look for one person > >Jack More likely millions by now; Tens of thousands when they built a nearby base of operations for this farce, months ago. I wonder whose dick he _really_ stepped on. -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) / Pictures are there Date: 29 Jan 1999 07:14:51 -0800 On Friday, January 29, 1999 6:58 AM, Bill Vance [SMTP:roc@xpresso.seaslug.org] wrote: > On Jan 29, Jack Perrine wrote: > > [snip] > > >I went back and checked and the pictures are certainly there > >.....but then a friend who had been near had also sent pictures > >and there seems no doubt that this operation is spending thousands > >of dollars more than could be justified to look for one person > > > >Jack > > More likely millions by now; Tens of thousands when they built a nearby > base of operations for this farce, months ago. I wonder whose dick he > _really_ stepped on. An issue or so ago of Privacy there was a long article about what I think is causing this mystery site. In particular several ISPs had banned access to privacy because a rating service they used had decided that telling people how to protect their privacy was an anti-government activity and therefore such a site should be on a restricted list. Obviously, the same rules apply to a a site with pictures of Andrews NC. Moreover, the effect was like you described the ISP simply disconnects transfers to such a site and certainly makes no effort to tell their customer that they are censoring what they download...nor did they tell the sites like PRIVACY that they had been blacklisted. Jack > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Kruse Sun Oklahoma SSE Subject: Re: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) Date: 29 Jan 1999 12:24:39 -0600 (CST) Bill, I was sent the same message - from the same source - about two days ago. I had the same symptoms as you describe - Netscape crashed upon loading. Seems to be related to either the counter or the spinning email image, though I didn't spend alot of time trying to troubleshoot it.. I was able to view the page using HotJava, however, thus indicating that it is probably not an ISP issue. Rick Kruse Rick Kruse KC5UVS Enterprise System Support Engineer rick.kruse@Central.Sun.COM Sun Microsystems Voice: (918) 561-5194 Enterprise Services FAX: (918) 587-6837 321 S. Boston, Suite 600 Tulsa, OK 74103 "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" -- Aristotle > X-Charset: iso-8859-1 > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) > > On Jan 28, Dennis Justice wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > A friend sent me the following info. So far > every time > I try to access this page it shuts down Netscape. > I don't > think it is a problem with my computer, but I just > don't > know. If it is NOT a problem with my computer, > someone > does not want me to see the info. Makes me REALLY > > want to see it! If you can access it, please let > me know. > > ================== > > I know many of you have been following this event. > > Jackie > > > > From: DotHB@aol.com > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:55:10 EST > To: DotHB@aol.com > Subject: [ANDREWS N.C.] Website: The Federal > Siege of Andrews N.C. > X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 > > THE FEDERAL SIEGE OF ANDREWS, NC > http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/albania/287/index.html > > by Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) > > This web page is a joint effort of the 1st > Unit of TN and the 91st > Brigade of NC. > There are pictures and information here that > you won't hear on CNN > (Communist News Network) or any other news > channel. The things that are > going on there are appalling. Anyone who visits > will tell you that if > feels like a scene out of Red Dawn. > Federal agents are everywhere. They do not > want the truth to get on > this because it is there biggest takeover since > Waco and they would like to > make it end in the same way. That will not be > allowed to happen. Some > Americans are much more awake now. Most are blind > and always will be. > I have made many web pages and love doing it. I > am not trying to win any > awards with this one. I am purposely making low on > graphic content, outside > of the Andrews pictures themselves of course. So > even people with > slow modems can see these and navigate this site > quickly. Please send the > link to this site to as many people you can or > link it from your own web > site. Let everyone know what is going on in > Andrews. If there's anything a > cockroach or evil hates, it's the light. So please > put them in it every > chance you get. > > Don Bunch (bronco1@bellsouth.net) > Commander of TN > Southeastern States Alliance > ================================== > Pictures on the WEB SITE: > For pictures of the federal home base in Andrews > Click here! > For pictures of their helicopters that they are > using to terrify the > citizens of Andrews, night and day Click here For > pictures that prove the > feds plan on a long stay in Andrews Click here! > Nice 4wd vehicles Click here! > To view pictures of their HRT (Hostage Rescue > Team) vans Click here! > To view pictures of the feds marching and such > Click here! > For Miscellaneous pictures Click here! > For pictures of a very tasteless sign that the > fire department of Andrews > displayed Click here! > For an article on Andrews that was in USA today > Click here! > For an article in the Charlotte Observer Click > here! > ===================================== > CONNECT THE DOTS > Dot Bibee (DotHB@aol.com) > > Knoxville, TN Ph/FAX (423) > 577-7011 > "To Deny the Constitution is to Provoke > Revolution" > > [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Re: Mystery Wep Page (fwd) Date: 29 Jan 1999 13:35:48 -0800 > >Bill, > >I was sent the same message - from the same source - about two days ago. >I had the same symptoms as you describe - Netscape crashed upon loading. >Seems to be related to either the counter or the spinning email image, >though I didn't spend alot of time trying to troubleshoot it.. > >I was able to view the page using HotJava, however, thus indicating that it >is probably not an ISP issue. > >Rick Kruse > To Bill, Jack, Rick, Chad, all who responded, you are probably right. It could be something like an HTML script error (innocent, not necessarily malicious) that the Netscape interpreter doesn't handle gracefully, and does a catatrophic shutdown of Netscape without any notice or warning. (Catastrophic errors tend to do that sort of thing.) In this event, the site regresses to making mountains out of molehills instead of being a hoax. Netscape is as bad as Microsoft when it comes to tossing code over the wall and letting the unsuspecting customer debug it. Careless Web Site programmers are worse. A pox on all their houses. ------- Harry E. Barnett harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com I support Alan Keyes and Keyes 2000! Learn more at http://www.Keyes2000.org - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Senate Vote (fwd) Date: 29 Jan 1999 16:29:06 PST On Jan 29, RHill@MICKEY.GC.WHECN.EDU wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This might have shown up here before, but here is the URL for Senate Vote, with links to all senators, and a poll on Clinton's removal. http://www.senatevote.com/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: re:Heads up on a poll (fwd) Date: 29 Jan 1999 16:29:46 PST On Jan 29, lobo@riolink.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Current results for the poll: Created: Thu Dec 31 13:54:25 EST 1998 Should gun manufacturers be held liable for gun violence? Yes 8% 2817 votes No 88% 31960 votes Sometimes 4% 1517 votes Total: 36294 votes This poll is not scientific and reflects the opinions of only those Internet users who have chosen to participate. The results cannot be assumed to represent the opinions of Internet users in general, nor the public as a whole. Lobo [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: HJ 17 Full text (fwd) Date: 29 Jan 1999 20:24:02 PST On Jan 29, CHURSEY@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] from Library of Congress THOMAS system -- HJ 17 IH 106th CONGRESS 1st Session H. J. RES. 17 Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES January 6, 1999 Mr. SERRANO (for himself and Mr. SHAYS) introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary -- JOINT RESOLUTION Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President. Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification: `Article-- `The twenty-second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.'. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: [Fwd: IP: ANOTHER TERM FOR CLINTON] (fwd) Date: 29 Jan 1999 20:22:25 PST On Jan 29, Y2J wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I just hung up from talking with Congressman Burr's office. This is a real animal. Get on the horn NOW! Let's kill this joint resolution!!!!!! We don't need another 4 years of Klinton. Not now, not ever!!!!! Jay Mary Lynn Bailey wrote: > >From Nealz Nuze, January 29, 1999 > http://boortz.com/nealznuz.htm > > ANOTHER TERM FOR CLINTON > > Rep Serrano, Jose E. has introduced H.J. Res 17 in the House of Representatives. It is > a joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to > repeal the twenty second article of amendment. That would remove the limitation on the > number of terms an individual may serve as President. > > Yesterday, during his press briefing, Clinton spokesman Joe Lockhard said that the > effort has the support of the White House. > > There you have it. Clinton's whole life has been wrapped up in the acquisition of political > power. Now that he has it he clearly doesn't want to let go. > > There is no way such an effort could succeed in time for the Year 2000 election. But by > 2004? Who knows! > > **************************************************** > To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: > majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com > with the message: > (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address > > or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address > **************************************************** > www.telepath.com/believer > **************************************************** -- ------- Sent to you by JVS aka Y2J "REMEMBER, HALF THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE ABOVE AVERAGE." "OTHER THAN THAT, MRS. LINCOLN, HOW WAS THE PLAY?" The latest survey shows that three out of four people make up 75% of the population. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Re: Fratrum: [Fwd: IP: ANOTHER TERM FOR CLINTON] (fwd) Date: 29 Jan 1999 23:55:53 -0800 At 08:22 PM 1/29/1999 PST, you wrote: >On Jan 29, Y2J wrote: > >I just hung up from talking with Congressman Burr's office. This is a real >animal. Get on the horn NOW! Let's kill this joint resolution!!!!!! We don't >need another 4 years of Klinton. Not now, not ever!!!!! > >> Rep Serrano, Jose E. has introduced H.J. Res 17 in the House of >>Representatives. It is a joint resolution proposing an amendment to the >>Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty second article of >>amendment. That would remove the limitation on the number of terms an >>individual may serve as President. It's been my experience that things like this are hardly ever true, so I check them all out before I react. But it's right there, at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r106:1:./temp/~r1069nAxD7:e155457:. (Since you probably won't be able to duplicate this URL, try http://thomas.loc.gov, then select "Congressional Record Text, Most Recent Issue", look at the House record for January _7_, "Public Bills & Resolutions", Page H243, and then "Forward" at the bottom of the page. However: Also proposed are Constitutional amendments to ban the desecration of the flag, a Right-to-Life amendment, three on term limits for Congress, one to reconfirm Federal judges every 10 years, one to deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal aliens, two balanced budget amendments, two to regulate campaign contributions, and one to allow school prayer. None of these has a snowball's chance in hell, so a routine "I oppose frivilous amendments to the Constitution" letter might be in order. Personally, I note that in the first two days of the 106th Congress, Members of the House proposed 319 news laws and 19 Constitutional amendments. Some are harmless, such as HR31, requiring the Treasury to jointly mint a coin with Iceland to celebrate the millennial anniversary of Leif Ericsson's discovery of North America, or HR64, requiring coins marking the bicentennial of the Lewis & Clark expedition, or HR 92, a bill to designate the Federal building and United States courthouse located at 251 North Main Street in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, as the `Hiram H. Ward Federal Building and United States Courthouse`. A few others may be worthwhile, such as HR 104, to reduce individual income tax rates by 10 percent, or HR235, to eliminate automatic pay hikes Congresscritters. But the vast majority are not, such as HR87, banning mail-order or Internet sale of ammunition without an FFL and requring dealers to report sales of over 1,000 rounds of ammunition, or HR16, National Health Insurance, or HR35, a "Saturday Night Special" ban, or HR85, banning the transfer of a handgun to a minor, or HR109, banning firearms sales at gun shows, to name only a few. How about a Constitutional amendment requiring that every Senator and Representative who shall propose a new law in Congress shall forfeit $5,000 of his annual salary, and that every Senator or Represenative who shall propose the REPEAL of an existing law shall, upon repeal, receive a bonus of $10,000. A financial sting might dampen their enthusiasm for new laws, and an incentive might help to get some bad old laws off the books. Couldn't hurt! Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ "The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, ... or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press." "The Living Thoughts of Thomas Jefferson", pp.46 - 47, Presented by John Dewey Buy This Stamp! http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/99/ayn_rand.htm Worried about the "Good Times" or "AOL4FREE" viruses? Check out the Urban Legends page at http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ for the facts! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Now That's Telling Them! :-) Date: 30 Jan 1999 16:58:22 PST Free Republic is going to put up a three line sky writing message over the Senate. It's going to read: This Is GOD. Convict And Remove. Or Else! -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- -