From: Paul M Watson Subject: Mass Poisoning? An UPDATE (fwd) Date: 01 Feb 1999 07:34:15 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I just got the following message from William Thomas (http://www.islandnet.com/~wilco) a veteran journalist covering military activity who broke the story on wide- spread accounts of spraying from USAF jets that makes people sick and leaves local hospitals overflowing. USAF Jets Said To Be Spraying Something That Sickens: http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-12-01.html http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-08-05.html Since the story broke, William has been flooded with accounts from around the nation of massive jet-spray operations followed by widespread illness below. I've received many such accounts and I don't know what to make of this: Are these false associations? Are people pulling my leg? Or is this true? Will Thomas says yes! To get an idea of how widespread these jet-poisoning reports are, listen to the 1/25/99 Art Bell show here: http://ww2.broadcast.com/artbell/archive99.html#jan99 As we have seen, with respect to the now-repealed U.S. Code 10(1520), the use of entire "civilian populations" for the testing of any chemical or biological warfare agent has been fully permitted, subject only to minor conditions. The new law, USC 10(1520(a)), puts limits only on any public poisoning conducted by one official. If mass poisoning is defined in the law, can we really say that reports of jets spraying sickness down from the skies is such a big surprise? -- Ian Goddard This could be the biggest and most-covered-up story ever: ================== FORWARDED MESSAGE ====================== Hi Ian, . . . please issue the following alert. The clock is tickin... Something huge is going on. In many regions, I can confirm that hospital emergency rooms are filled to overflowing with a sudden epidemic of acute respiratory patients suffering from something doctors cannot diagnose - and that is NOT the flu. Newspapers in Bakersfield, California are reporting jammed emergency rooms. Here's a typical story from a North Carolina newspaper: "FEELING ROTTEN? Outbreak of respiratory illnesses has doctors' offices full, but it's probably not the flu." by Rebecca Lentz, Staff Writer "Call it the creeping crud. Call it a virus. Call it whatever you'd like. But whatever it is, it's miserable. "Adults and children alike are down for the count with the virus. Upper respiratory infections are keeping doctors' offices hopping and the hospital seeing record numbers of patients. "Medac, a walk-in clinic, has been busy with patients complaining of similar symptoms. New Hanover Regional's patient count has been at its highest level in history, with 503 of its available 504 inpatient beds filled on Jan. 7. On Sunday, the patient count stood at 454. Even so, the majority of illnesses aren't influenza, health officials said. This much we know: 1. Reports of odd "contrails" are coming in from 22 states so far. Many sightings occurred months or years before this story was made public - prompting impromptu snapshots and video recordings and calls to the attention of friends and bystanders by people who are quite used to seeing commercial airplanes and normal contrails - and were astonished to see giant X's and grid-patterns woven "like Tic-tac-toe" by large aircraft criss-crossing the sky, often for hours over the same area. 2. These are not "contrails" being reported. The aircraft have been positively identified as USAF Boeing KC-135 and KC-10 air-to-air refueling aircraft spraying an unidentified substance from their tail-booms. 3. The observed tanker aircraft are not engaged in routine formation flying or air-to-air refueling. JP8 fuel inadvertently spilled or dumped to lower landing weights atomizes at jet speeds and does not fall as "cobwebs" observed by police officers and other reliable witnesses. Routine fuel dumping does not continue over hours by multiple aircraft weaving furrows over the same area until clear blue skies are completely hazed over. 4. Now occurring daily, this extremely expensive nationwide "spraying" is deliberate and laid down in specific patterns over hours. 5. These are not "cloud-seeding" activities as no clouds are present and local weather does not turn to rain immediately after these events. 6. In some notable cases, violent and unseasonal storms such as the recent flurry of "summer" tornadoes over Tennessee and heavy snowfall in Bakersfield, CA and Phoenix, AZ have occurred within days of documented (videotaped) spraying. Sharp "spikes" in power output from the USN/USAF "ionospheric heater" known has HAARP have were recorded just before last December's "horizontal snowstorm", localized around Turret Peak, AZ. These weather anomalies - and HAARP - may be related to aerial spraying using fast-dissolving, "smart plastic" polymers to catch HAARP's high-intensity radio waves to heat the atmosphere. Or these may be separate experiments. 6. What is definitely known and verifiable is that thousands, quite possibly tens of thousands of Americans - and perhaps more - are becoming ill enough to seek medical attention after these fly-overs, which are continuing at a stepped-up pace as I write. PLEASE get back on your network right away and ask your conscientious subscribers to once again come through for all of us and bombard their Congressional representatives with an avalanche of faxes and e-mails and phone calls demanding an immediate Senate and House investigation into the deliberate large-scale spraying currently going on across America. This is a national emergency. Thank you, and all Americans concerned for the fate of their children and their country. God bless you all, William Thomas Independent Investigative Journalist Spraying story: www.islandnet.com/~wilco See also my 4-hour interview with Art Bell: www.artbell.com ================ END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ===================== Hear the 1/25/99 Art Bell show with William Thomas here: http://ww2.broadcast.com/artbell/archive99.html#jan99 USAF Jets Said To Be Spraying Something That Sickens: http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-12-01.html http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-08-05.html **************************************************************** Visit Ian Williams Goddard ----------> http://Ian.Goddard.net ________________________________________________________________ GODDARD'S JOURNAL --> http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm ________________________________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: INVESTIGATORS 'AFRAID OF PHYSICAL RETALIATION' (fwd) Date: 01 Feb 1999 07:50:42 -0600 (CST) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---559023410-758783491-917877042=:16069 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=x-user-defined Content-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Reply-To: texas-gun-owners@Mailing-List.net WITNESS: HOUSE INVESTIGATORS 'AFRAID OF PHYSICAL RETALIATION' 01/31/99 02:18 UTC -- Investigators in the Senate impeachment trial are in fear that there will be direct retaliation against them, according to a witness that was questioned last week in Washington. Former Clinton adviser Dick Morris said on FOX NEWS CHANNEL's DRUDGE that during questioning, investigators told him that they are "physically afraid of retaliation" for their role in the impeachment trial. Joined in progress... 1/30/99 9:11 PM ET MORRIS: When I was called by the House Judiciary Committee just last weekend to testify or to meet with them I met with 3 investigators of the committee. They asked me not to use their names and I won't but they were each 50 years of age or over, they weren't kids. They had decades of experience working for the IRS, the FBI, and all kinds of other investigative organizations; they told me that they were physically afraid of retaliation. They asked me if I would testify_ DRUDGE: The ones questioning you were afraid?! MORRIS: Exactly, they asked me if I would testify and I said yea. And they said aren't you afraid of retaliation? And I said what are they going to expose, my sex life? You know we have done all that. I've taken the trouble to not sin since then. And they said no, no. I mean don't you know the list of the 25 people who have died in mysterious circumstances in connection with this investigation? And I said are you guys out of your minds? And they said no, no. And one of them said I guarantee you that each of us will have an IRS audit when this is over, he said I'm saving my receipts I know that I am going to have an audit. And I said, how does that work? And he said well the head of the IRS and Hillary are very good friends. DRUDGE: Let me get this straight, those even questioning people at this point are afraid. MORRIS: Yes. And we are not talking here about some right wing nuts, or some people who are really paranoid. We are talking about guys who have spent 20 or 30 years as top level investigators for the IRS and the FBI who have retired and are now on leave and brought back by the Judiciary Committee and they specifically asked me not to mention their names on the air. DRUDGE: Well we won't. ---- ---559023410-758783491-917877042=:16069 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Content-Description:
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WITNESS: HOUSE INVESTIGATORS 'AFRAID OF PHYSICAL RETALIATION'=20

01/31/99 02:18 UTC -- Investigators in the Senate impeachment = trial are=20 in fear that there will be direct retaliation against them, according to = a=20 witness that was questioned last week in Washington.

Former = Clinton=20 adviser Dick Morris said on FOX NEWS CHANNEL's DRUDGE that during = questioning,=20 investigators told him that they are "physically afraid of=20 retaliation" for their role in the impeachment trial. =

Joined in=20 progress...

1/30/99 9:11 PM ET

MORRIS: When I was called = by the=20 House Judiciary Committee just last weekend to testify or to meet with = them I=20 met with 3 investigators of the committee. They asked me not to use = their names=20 and I won't but they were each 50 years of age or over, they weren't = kids. They=20 had decades of experience working for the IRS, the FBI, and all kinds of = other=20 investigative organizations; they told me that they were physically = afraid of=20 retaliation. They asked me if I would testify_

DRUDGE: The ones=20 questioning you were afraid?!

MORRIS: Exactly, they asked me if = I would=20 testify and I said yea. And they said aren't you afraid of retaliation? = And I=20 said what are they going to expose, my sex life? You know we have done = all that.=20 I've taken the trouble to not sin since then. And they said no, no. I = mean don't=20 you know the list of the 25 people who have died in mysterious = circumstances in=20 connection with this investigation? And I said are you guys out of your = minds?=20 And they said no, no. And one of them said I guarantee you that each of = us will=20 have an IRS audit when this is over, he said I'm saving my receipts I = know that=20 I am going to have an audit. And I said, how does that work? And he said = well=20 the head of the IRS and Hillary are very good friends.

DRUDGE: = Let me=20 get this straight, those even questioning people at this point are = afraid.=20

MORRIS: Yes. And we are not talking here about some right wing = nuts, or=20 some people who are really paranoid. We are talking about guys who have = spent 20=20 or 30 years as top level investigators for the IRS and the FBI who have = retired=20 and are now on leave and brought back by the Judiciary Committee and = they=20 specifically asked me not to mention their names on the air. =

DRUDGE:=20 Well we won't.

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---559023410-758783491-917877042=:16069-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: In the Wilderness - 31 Jan 99 (fwd) Date: 01 Feb 1999 12:22:50 PST On Jan 31, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] IN THE WILDERNESS (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ HERE BE DRAGONS Who can predict the ultimate outcome of current events? It may have been fairly simple to predict that the Denver Broncos would win the Super Bowl (he wrote, with the game still being played), but who can say how events will play out surrounding, say, the approaching reckoning in Washington? Pundits and Democrats have been saying for months that without 67 Republicans in the Senate there would never be a guilty verdict in an impeachment trial. But before that they were saying there would never be an impeachment trial in the first place -- and before that, that there would never even be an impeachment, much less a trial. Who could have anticipated two years ago that a casual act of presidential perjury, committed in casual contempt of a citizen's civil rights, would lead to this decidedly un-casual point? Back then the buzz was about campaign corruption and abuse of executive orders to benefit Chinese and Indonesian interests at the expense of companies owned and run by U.S. citizens. Who could have guessed back then that a television network would elevate an impassioned and openly avowed pro-Clinton partisan to host two separate regular shows on which to defend the President? Who could have guessed back then that this same network would record, and then spike, an interview with a woman who claims that the President raped her when he was Arkansas' state attorney general? Who could have guessed that the sleaziest man alive would become the most visible defender of the President's morality -- by airing innuendoes against his critics? Who could ever have guessed two years ago that William Jefferson Clinton, then newly inaugurated as President after his 49-percent popular vote re-election victory (a record for him), would sink to such depths? Who among them would have been believed? Those who claim that Vince Foster was murdered, are frequently dismissed as paranoid conspiracy theorists. Those who circulate the lists of people close to Clinton who have died under mysterious circumstances, are laughed off as fanatic Clinton-haters taking a vacation from their surveillances of Area 51. And perhaps rightly so. But aside from those types of people, who would have foreseen the spectacle that Clinton 1999 would degenerate to? After all, these are the ones who have made the most noise about those purloined FBI files. These are the ones who have followed the Clinton scandal front since 1992, who believed Gennifer Flowers and Paula Jones the instant their stories broke. And these are the people at whom Clinton's defenders point in this hour of desperation, to explain why they stay with him. As Andy Rooney put it, they like Clinton's friends more than they like his enemies. His enemies, therefore, cannot be allowed to be right, not even when the evidence actually comes down on their side of the story. It's as though Clinton called up all of his high-profile supporters in Hollywood and the media, and demanded, "Who are you gonna believe, me or a bunch of right-wing facts?" In their hyper-politicized world view, even truth has a political spin to it, and when the spin goes against their way of thinking, it has to be denied, disparaged, demolished and despised. To the rest of the world, truth and facts are neutral, and only the actions and words of men and women carry a spin. If the facts say that Clinton is a felon and unfit to hold office, the bad reflection is not on the facts, but on Clinton. And people to whom this is clear, have a hard time understanding those for whom politics, and especially Left-wing politics, is more important, and more pure, than the truth. The recent past, up to about this time last year, seems in hindsight to have been as easy to anticipate, seven years ago, as the outcome of today's football game. After his 90-percent post-Desert Storm approval ratings blew over, President Bush suffered from the more durable memory of his "no new taxes" betrayal, and from the unprecedented partisan spin of television news reporting surrounding the 1992 election campaign. Bush ran a lackluster campaign, and tried ineptly and belatedly to pander to his base -- which only played into the spin of the hostile media while offending the Right (which unlike the Left does NOT appreciate being pandered to). Meanwhile Clinton's character issues were passed off by the same media as being irrelevant to the campaign. Character didn't matter, we were told. Today these same media voices allow that maybe character does matter after all, while more die-hard Clinton partisans argue that policy lip-service matters more than the trustworthiness and mental stability of a man whose finger rests on the nuclear button. (Perhaps that button seems less dangerous today than ten years ago, but what of North Korea? What of Saddam Hussein? Can we afford to keep a President who makes Saddam look positively sedate and predictable?) But today, no one can guess what will happen tomorrow. Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr has concluded, rightly I think, that he *can* indict a sitting president -- but he hasn't decided whether he will. The pundits having assured us that witnesses would never be examined in the impeachment trial, perhaps we could have guessed at what has proven to be the case: there will be witnesses. The Juanita Broaddrick story is said to have influenced wavering House members to vote for impeachment in December, and now it reposes like a powder keg on the shelf at NBC News. Who knows what tomorrow will bring? Events of the past have been converging on this point, from long before the 1960s. Historical trends set in motion by occurrences before the Vietnam war, before the Kennedy assassination, before the birth of Billy J. Blythe, have developed a momentum that will contribute to an unfathomable crescendo some time between now and the end of the century -- and even lifelong observers of the political, cultural and social scene are at a loss as to what to expect. We are entering into *terra incognita*, where all the lessons of the past seem useless in preparing for what is to come. If there we find dragons, who will be surprised? -30- January 31, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the IN THE WILDERNESS archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/wilderness/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ Date: 01 Feb 1999 12:23:35 PST This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 2/1 (fwd) Date: 01 Feb 1999 23:46:28 PST On Feb 1, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] -----Original Message----- The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU=C9 =97 February 1, 1999 + The Council for School Performance, a research agency funded by the St= ate of Georgia, released its annual report cards on the state's public school= s. The council generated the first standards for identifying "consistently l= ow- performing" public schools. Last week, the council was happy to inform reporters that 100 state schools failed to meet those standards =97 but r= efused to name the schools. "We are not a standard-setting body," said CSP resea= rch director Gary Henry. "We just thought the public needed to have the numbe= rs and the criteria." Why announce the existence of 100 failing schools, then force the public = to go through an arduous process to discover their identities? Well, both na= ture and EIA abhor a vacuum. The crack EIA "staff" spent two full days going o= ver the council's standards, examined its individual school report cards, one= by one, for the last three years, and released to most of the Georgia press = the names of the schools that failed to meet the standards. The information i= s available to interested parties in other states by contacting EIA. + In a widely covered press conference that featured basketball legend Michael Jordan, the National Foundation for the Improvement of Education announced a new partnership with Jordan Fundamentals to provide grants of $2,500 to teachers serving underprivileged students. NFIE is a nonprofit foundation wholly owned and operated by the National Education Associatio= n, while Jordan Fundamentals is wholly owned and operated by The Jordan Bran= d. "NEA members created NFIE," said NEA President Bob Chase, "and the men an= d women in our nation's public schools are proud to count Jordan Brand amon= g the corporations working hard to make things better for young people." A nice little story, right? But there's an entirely unexamined angle to this story. The Jordan Brand = is not a stand-alone corporation. Jordan is the CEO, but he has no money inv= ested in The Jordan Brand. The Jordan Brand is a division of Nike Inc., which h= as been excoriated by organized labor for years because of "sweatshop" pract= ices in Asian nations. Jordan himself has been mildly criticized by the left-w= ing, specifically the Rev. Jesse Jackson, for his seeming lack of interest in = the issue. The American Observer noted that "Nike's operations in Indonesia h= ave received a particularly large amount of scrutiny and criticism from labor groups because union organizing is a near impossibility in the country, u= nless it is authorized by the government." And it didn't take EIA long to find = an issue of Human Rights News, a publication of the American Federation of Teachers, in which Michael Jordan is called upon to "Do the Right Thing!" "Jordan is paid $20 million a year to endorse Nike products, including hi= s Air Jordan sneakers," reads the story. "Air Jordans are made by workers earning $2.23 a day. When Michael was approached with this issue, he said= , =91It's not my problem.' So, whose problem is it? Don't be like Mike. Hel= p stop worker abuse." The story then provides a sample protest letter for the Coalition of Labor Union Women to forward to Nike. Is it merely a coincid= ence that NFIE's press release does not mention Nike? The merits of the charges against Nike are certainly arguable. However, w= hen one of the nation's largest labor unions establishes a joint venture with= one of the nation's largest labor union foes, it should inspire a series of questions which currently are not being asked. + Three years ago, billionaire Walter H. Annenberg launched the Annenber= g Challenge, a huge national program to provide hundreds of millions of dol= lars to public schools in more than 30 states. Last year, Patrick Reilly of th= e Capital Research Center wrote an editorial in which he claimed the additi= onal money had produced no improvement in student achievement. Reilly was roya= lly lambasted by the establishment, most notably by officials running the Annenberg project. Last week, Annenberg program administrators for the Lo= s Angeles County schools admitted that the $53 million donated to 247 L.A. schools has had virtually no impact. When the grant money runs out in Jun= e of next year, the Los Angeles Annenberg officials want to turn the program i= nto an educational watchdog group. "Our hope is to commission research in key areas such as literacy and governance and issue reports and recommendatio= ns," said L.A. program president Maria Casillas. "We would expect to monitor performance of everyone from reading coaches to boards of education, even unions." Let's see... research... issue reports... monitor performance... even unions... The insights you can buy for $53 million are just amazing! What would be a good name for the group? I know, Education Information for Annenberg! + The 11/16/ 98 EIA communiqu=E9 told the story of 300 members of a dissi= dent local in Mexico's national teachers' union seizing control of the Mexican Senate, smashing windows and doors, and holding five senators hostage for several hours. Five teachers were arrested. The arrests sparked even larg= er demonstrations. Last week, some 9,000 teachers protested outside the resi= dence of President Ernesto Zedillo, calling for the immediate release of the fi= ve prisoners. In a related (?) story, striking teachers in Volgograd, Russian, locked t= wo city officials in their office for 12 hours, demanding back wages. The officials were ultimately released unharmed. International teachers have evidently found a response to the lock-out: the lock-in. + In Burgettstown, Pennsylvania, a student was suspended from school and charged by police with disorderly conduct for tossing a single french fry= in the cafeteria. New Jersey and South Carolina both reported increases in s= chool crime. Why? "The school districts are reporting every incident to us," sa= id South Carolina Education Superintendent Inez Tannenbaum, "incidents that = in years past, they may not have reported as school crime." The top two "cri= mes" listed are "disturbing school" and "possession of a pager." Meanwhile, in Columbia, Tennessee, a middle school resource officer was charged with four counts of rape of two 14-year-old male students. A Los Angeles Unified School District employee and a district retiree were arre= sted on bribery and embezzlement charges. In exchange for gifts such as vehicl= es and a boat, the two men approved payment for maintenance work that was ne= ver done. Zero tolerance policies for students are becoming more widespread, but sc= hool officials are surprisingly tolerant of their own ignorance of employee cr= ime. EIA's latest report, Rotten Apples: School Crime from a Different Angle, examines the anecdotal evidence, through newspaper stories, public docume= nts and other sources. Rotten Apples is available for free. Contact EIA at th= e numbers listed below. + The next communiqu=E9 will be published February 15. + Quote of the Week: "Thus far, the leading writers of the current schoo= l reform movement have shirked from a critical examination of teachers' uni= ons and collective bargaining. With very few exceptions, one will search in v= ain in the school reform literature for even the appearance of the word union= ." =97 Todd A. DeMitchell and Richard Fossey, from their book "The Limits of Law= - Based School Reform." # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, ana= lysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. Fax: 916-392-1482. E-Mail: EducIntel@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Why Republicans are not supporting your 2nd Amendment Date: 02 Feb 1999 12:10:42 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- MALAISE OF THE GOP -- IS THERE A CURE? by PATRICK J. BUCHANAN FEBRUARY 2, 1999 Not since the Roaring Twenties, when the Republican Party was still "America's Party," has the GOP controlled so many seats in the House and Senate and in governors' chairs. Yet, to many Republicans, this seems the very winter of their discontent. Inside the party, observers detect a near despair, which is reinforced by the polls, that the GOP has run out of great issues and indefinitely forfeited the vital center of politics to Bill Clinton. There is a malaise within the GOP. Among governors, it is seen in exasperation with a Congress focused on impeachment; among GOP senators, it is manifest in a desperate desire to be rid of the trial. House Republicans are openly nostalgic for the days of Reagan, when America was united behind their agenda, and it was the Democratic Party that seemed off-balance and out of touch. It is time to grow up. Ronald Reagan was a good man and a great president, but the Gipper is gone forever, and his time, like JFK's time, and FDR's, is gone forever. We cannot relive the past. The unacknowledged reason the GOP Establishment has failed to meet the challenge of Clinton is that, deep in its heart, it does not disagree with him on the issues that deeply roil Middle America. On trade, the GOP leadership is as pro-NAFTA, GATT and fast track as Al Gore. At last week's gathering of globalists at Davos, Switzerland, Republicans had a full complement. "Responsible Globality" was the theme at Davos, which is like posting a sign calling for "Safe Sex" on the door of a San Francisco bath house. On foreign policy, the GOP leadership is as enthusiastic as Clinton about expanding NATO from the Baltic to the Black Sea. Republicans provided the political cover for Clinton to move troops into Bosnia and Macedonia and are urging him to order air strikes on Serbia and put 5,000 U.S. troops into Kosovo. Most Americans oppose military intervention where vital U.S. interests are not at stake. But the GOP leadership cadres stand with Clinton. On foreign aid, the least popular of federal programs, Congress readily agreed to Clinton's request for expansion in 1998. Republicans believe in free markets, so they opposed a bailout of Orange County when it faced bankruptcy from failed investments. Yet Republican leaders backed the $41 billion bailout of a Jakarta regime that had robbed its own of billions and slaughtered 250,000 in East Timor, and supported the $41 billion bailout of a Brazilian government that is still running a deficit of 8 percent of gross domestic product. On both occasions, the GOP threw out free-market principles to stand beside Clinton and did so again when Clinton asked for $18 billion to continue the socialist bailouts ad infinitum. On NAFTA, GATT, fast track, surrender of sovereignty to the World Trade Organization, NATO expansion, intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo, foreign aid and International Monetary Fund bailouts, the Republican elite is, with a few exceptions, remarkably close to Clinton- Gore. Eighty percent of Americans want reform of immigration laws under which 1.3 million legal and illegal aliens enter each year. Yet, terrified of being called xenophobes, Republicans are paralyzed. So, Clinton celebrates a coming century where immigration will turn America's white majority into a minority. In Tibet, massive immigration by Han Chinese is denounced as "cultural genocide." In the United States, an immigration invasion that will alter the ethnic character and Western culture of America forever, risking a breakup of the nation, is not even open for debate. Racial preferences are defeated everywhere they are put to a vote. Yet national Republicans recoil from the battle. The life issue and the right of citizens to keep and bear arms to protect their lives and families have powerful constituencies, but many in the GOP -- trained in the local obedience school run by the national press -- reflexively reject such issues as "divisive." There is no dearth of issues on which a party with a glint in its eye, fire in its belly and steel in its spine could confront this capital city. But taking them up means taking on a cultural-media elite that has no compunction about branding as sick, bigoted or extremist any who dare resist the fate that elite has in store for our republic. There is another factor inhibiting Republicans from risking an all-out confrontation with Clinton: dread of the loss of power. The GOP knows its hold on Congress is tenuous and narrow. Why risk it for causes in which they do not truly believe? Thus, the next great rebellion in U.S. politics is likely to come from without and not to distinguish between the Beltway parties. c 1999 Patrick J. Buchanan FOR MORE NEWS AND INFO VISIT OUR WEB SITE! http://www.theamericancause.org *********************************************** Please feel free to forward this email across the USA! *********************************************** Join our new "FTC" - FOR THE CAUSE - List!!! Send an email to: ftc-request@Majordomo.net In the body of your email type: subscribe *********************************************** The American Cause Internet Headquarters Web: http://www.theamericancause.org WebMaster - Linda Muller - linda@theamericancause.org Smail: 6862 Elm Street, Suite 210, McLean, VA 22101 Email: hq@theamericancause.org Tel:703.556.7737 Fax:703.827.0592 *********************************************** c NOTICE In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107 -- Any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. [Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml] *********************************************** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: "An Elephant Never Forgets" (fwd) Date: 03 Feb 1999 17:09:55 PST On Feb 3, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Which party's voters tend to have longer memories? Here's a hint: by and large, single issue voters tend to be disengaged from politics except during the final weeks of a campaign. Once they receive their single-issue voter guides and learn that Candidate A supports continued toenail fungus subsidies while Candidate B does not, their voting decisions are made. If, a year before the election, Candidate A also cast a whole series of votes that these single-issue voters found repugnant and outrageous, it makes no impact. A single-issue voter who supports continued toenail fungus subsidies will vote for any candidate, however reprehensible he might be on any other issue, who supports the toenail fungus subsidy program. It also doesn't matter if Candidate A is a proven liar, cheater, consorter with the nation's enemies, and sexual exploiter of girls who make less than minimum wage. Single-issue policy is all that matters. So which party's voters tend to have longer memories? Single-issue *activists* are an exception to this rule. They track the voting records of officeholders so they can mobilize their voters, and so will have somewhat longer memories than the rank-and-file single-issue voter. But because they are single-issue activists, they too tend to be unconcerned with other matters. These are the sorts of people who would cause to be known to the world a willingness on their part, for example, to orally service a sleazy President who defends current law on abortion. Generally, single-issue voters and activists tend to gravitate to the Democratic Party, because most single-issue advocacy focuses on the deliberate redistribution of poverty from specific favored groups to the taxpayers at large. The Omnibus Broadcasting System would have Americans believe that the GOP has the most single-issue constituencies; they focus on abortion and gun control. However, while pro-life single-issue voters in the Republican Party do outnumber the GOP's single-issue pro-choice voters -- both of them -- the vast m ajority of pro-life *and pro-choice* Republicans are not single-issue voters. Likewise those who hold strong opinions on gun control or other issues important to the GOP agenda. Most *single-issue* opponents of gun control are not all that serious about politics -- they're Libertarians, which tells you how many of *them* there are. Politicians who benefit from the votes cast by single-issue "gimme" types generally don't want to admit that their careers are based on a simple transaction of benefit -- it sounds too much like bribery, and it doesn't allow them to proclaim with due pomposity the superiority of whatever they have that passes for a philosophy. So they tend to overestimate their base. That by itself wouldn't be so bad. But when the other side begins to *underestimate* the intelligence of their own base, assuming that their voters won't remember a courageous stand taken, a risky but principled vote cast (or conversely, an unusually cowardly action), by the time the next election comes around -- then trouble develops. That's when you see Senators acting like they've undergone a surgical procedure to remove their spinal cords and viscera, and acting as though being spineless and gutless makes them better than those in the lower house. In particular, I think of the two Senators from Utah. One recently announced that there need be no witnesses examined in the impeachment trial (every trial I've ever seen had witnesses, but I suppose if the jurors had been Republican Senators from Utah things might have been different). The other has been casting about desperately for months to find a way to let himself and his colleagues off the hook of actually coming to a verdict in the trial (every trial I've ever seen also either came to a verdict, or ended in a hung jury -- usually followed by a RETRIAL). Messrs. Bennett and Hatch are by no means alone, but it would be salutary for the nation if Utah voters, at their next opportunity, found another pair of butts to occupy those two seats. I just hope they don't choose anyone who arranged bribes to IOC members. That would only confirm the low opinion Bennett and Hatch -- and increasingly the entire nation -- already have of them. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Let any man who shrinks from his duty, retire now! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The Constitution is not a menu (fwd) Date: 03 Feb 1999 23:13:51 PST On Feb 3, JHill1776@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The Constitution is not a menu By Jim H. Hill Jr. After years of neglect and abuse, the Constitution has finally returned to our public discourse. The topic is presidential impeachment and the Constitution is the rulebook. In spite of all the evidence, the vote to remove Bill Clinton from office will, for some Senators, be the toughest vote of their entire careers. Yet, we as conservatives rightfully insist that our Senators stick to principle and uphold the Constitution. This has created a perplexing situation. If we demand that Congress obey the Constitution in this most difficult area, why do we not demand it on other occasions when the issues are less heated? Are we not practicing a double standard when we insist on constitutional purity during this impeachment process and then ignore the same document when debating other legislation? Daily, we allow the Federal government to extort money from Americans to maintain government's Social Security pyramid scheme, HUD, Planned Parenthood, Departments of Commerce, Energy, Education, etc. - none of which are authorized by the Constitution and all of which are outright violations of the 10th Amendment. Yet, we fail to raise even a murmur of protest over these gross acts which are far more destructive to the Constitution, and our everyday lives, than a lying president. The Constitution is not a menu from which we can pick and choose items according to our tastes, while ignoring other selections. It is a recipe for a full course meal that must be followed in its entirety, without omission, in order to savor the full experience. The Clinton trial will pass. Hopefully, the Clinton dynasty will pass with it. The question, however, is whether this short excursion into the Constitution will be "today's special" that temporarily gratifies our appetites for the moment - or the first step in the return to "a more perfect Union." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jim Hill can be reached at 8 W 3rd St., Suite 700, Winston-Salem, NC 27101; Tel: (336) 727-2597 x3043, or by email at: JHill1776@aol.com. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Call, write, or email if you have any questions or comments. Not copyrighted. Permission granted to edit, reproduce, and distribute as desired. Okay to publish name and email address. If this was sent to the wrong address or department, please forward or let me know. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For updates on Zachary Martin, send email to Michelle Moore at: Mdm1962@aol.com Zach's web site: http://www.nealstudio.com/zack/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Other editorials by Jim Hill: Education: http://capo.org/opeds/jhill312.html 2d Amendment: http://jhardin.home.mindspring.com/onerule.htm Legislating morality: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2320/art03.html Life/Abortion: http://w3.nai.net/~mpomerle/Pro-Life/Do_We_Hold_These_Truths_Today.htm A new breed is needed in the GOP: http://www.patriottrading.com/commentaries.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You can vote every day in the Internet polls: USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nfront.htm MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.com/news/op_front.asp CNN: http://www.cnn.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Excited about Liddy Dole? Read this: http://www.nationalreview.com/09feb98/ponnuru020998.html Is GWB a conservative? You be the judge: http://www.worldmag.com/world/issue/01-30-99/national_2.asp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ron Paul's Legislative Updates & Weekly Column: http://www.house.gov/paul/index.html Or listen to them toll free at: 1-888-322-1414 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: ACLU's Role in Planned Parenthool v. ACLA (fwd) Date: 04 Feb 1999 08:17:06 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Thursday, February 4, 1999 Atlanta, Georgia MULTIPLE RECIPIENTS Dear M R, Yesterday I broadcast the "Annotated AP story," in which I corrected a few of the mistatements of fact contained therein. Chris Sullivan re-mailed it and received an inquiry about the role of the ACLU in the case. He responded with this: >I haven't heard about the ACLU jumping into this with both feet on behalf >of free speech yet. I'm sure I just missed it. > >Actually I think the ACLU did side with the defendants, although I don't >know how vigorous they were. I may be wrong about this, but I'm sure [Harvey] >can correct me if so. > >Chris > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< I'll be happy to, Chris. I apologize for neglecting this aspect of the story in the first place. In the case of Planned Parenthood et al. v. American Coalition of Life Activists et al., the ACLU file an amicus brief. The phrase derives from the Latin "amicus curiae" (friend of the court). The ACLU has long represented itself to be the guardian of free speech and, in this guise, it filed an amicus brief in PP v. ACLA. It represented to the defendants that it was filing the brief in support of the defendants, then eviscerated them by suggesting that this was a case unlike any that had preceeded it -- a case of first impression. In other words, the First Amendment didn't protect the speech of the pro-lifers. They failed to reveal to the court that the ACLU is, indeed, a partisan in the issue of abortion, strongly and vigorously supporting legalized abortion. This is a violation of legal ethics (pardon the oxymoron). But no censure or disbarment will issue in the case of the ACLU's attorneys. Rules are for your enemies. That was all the encouragement this judge needed. Instead of throwing the case out of court as a matter of law -- as he should have -- he jumped at the chance to step into the limelight for a while. He invited his friends and his wife to come to court and watch him preside in this historic "case of first impression." He even set aside one pew for "VIP seating." During the trial, he even invited the jury to step into the other courtroom to watch him impose sentence on criminal defendants. One was sentenced for issuing threats. He put a gag order on the participants during the trial, but allowed the press to sit in the trial and report all the irrelevant and prejudicial "evidence" in the newspapers of the Nation. The defendants were not allowed to talk to the reporters nor correct the record themselves through press releases. Part way through the trial, the defendants discovered that Judge Robert E. "Bobby" Jones was releasing some trial documents to the press. And what was he releasing? It was the Plaintiffs' attorney's summaries of the defendants' pre-trial depositions. Let me explain. Prior to the trial, the defendants were required to give sworn testimony to questions posed by the plaintiffs' attorneys (depositions). The depositions typically ran over 250 pages. In order to get this testimony admitted at trial "efficiently," the judge allowed the plaintiffs' attorneys to summarize the depositions of the defendants. The plaintiffs got to characterize the defendants' testimony to the jury!!! It was these statements that Judge Jones released to the press during the trial WITHOUT THE DEFENSE REBUTTALS. During the trial, I met a couple of Portland lawyers in the courthouse. After a while, they asked what I was doing in Portland. I explained. They knew nothing about the trial. They asked who the judge was, and I told them. Then I said I was trying to figure out whether he was stupid, ignorant of the law, or malevolent. They glanced at each other, then senior lawyer said, "All of the above." The younger one nodded assent. During and after this mockery of justice, the ACLU has remained curiously silent. Their role in the trial was to build and deploy a Trojan horse. Rituals of law do not constitute Justice. -- Harvey Wysong - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Why the Senate is Corrupt...by Rockwell (fwd) Date: 04 Feb 1999 08:23:24 -0600 (CST) =20 =20 THURSDAY FEBRUARY 04 1999=20 =20 =20 =20 Why the Senate is corrupt=20 There's been a lot of yammering in the Senate chambers about the Constitution, as if anyone there takes its original structure seriously. In fact, the Senate itself is no longer what the framers intended. If it were, most of these birds wouldn't even be in office.=20 The Senate was once an appointed body whose purpose was to guard the interests of the states against the central government. Thanks to the horrible 17th Amendment, it became a national body caught up in the usual election rackets and in thrall to special-interest groups.=20 The process by which this dramatic transformation took place is one of the least-known aspects of constitutional history. But the effects were devastating for the cause of human liberty. In the federal form of government, the people as citizens of their respective states controlled Washington. Today, the people in their states have no effective means to restrain the federal government that controls them.=20 The original structure was laid out in Article 1. "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof." The idea of an appointed Senate was deliberate. The people to whom they were responsible were the elected representatives closest to the people. State legislatures consisted of friends and neighbors, and they appointed respected and landed members of the community they represented, who in turn fought against taxes and other federal intrusions.=20 A vote cast in the states had direct impact on affairs in Washington. The U.S. Senate's primary attention was directed, not toward Washington or a national constituency or the next election, but toward the states as independent juridical units. The senators' concern was protecting the rights of these units, and guarding the liberties of the citizens of the states against encroachments by a rapacious executive and judiciary.=20 Through the Senate, the states wielded massive control over the central government. The Senate has always been the "aristocratic" body of Congress, but in a real if indirect sense, it was once the body closest to average people. Senators did not have campaign war chests to fill and spend. They didn't worry about paying back election bribes because there were no mass elections.=20 The disaster occurred in 1913, at the height of the progressive era when the great god of American politics became not liberty but democracy. Law and legislation in the 19th century was too fixed, the progressives claimed. What was needed was a much more expansive government that directly reflected the day-by-day democratic passions of the public -- precisely what Tocqueville warned against.=20 For the advocates of big government, the model was the House of Representatives. Before Lincoln's war, it had distinguished itself as a hotbed of centralist sentiment. It advocated and obtained war against the South. After the war, the House imposed a military dictatorship on the Southern states, and impeached a president who was trying to stop the tyranny. For good reason, the statists dreamed of making the Senate a carbon copy of the House.=20 Woodrow Wilson, consistent with the times, had also come to believe that it was God's plan that all governments should be directly elected by the people. Monarchy was out; in fact it had to be destroyed wherever it existed. Even the traditional American republic was insufficiently democratic in the Rousseauian sense. The Senate as an appointed body was a standing rebuke to this maniacal vision.=20 Nearly overnight, the character of the U.S. system of government changed. We got the income tax, which made all income vulnerable to confiscation and invited the government to pry into our private lives. We got the Federal Reserve, which in time would destroy the gold standard, the best check on government power ever known. In addition, we got U.S. entry into a European conflict that was none of our business, and a vast step-up in statism at home (the usual result of war).=20 With the 17th Amendment, we suffered a fundamental and permanent attack on the original character of the Senate itself. The new amendment read: "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof." It seemed to be a small change, but its effects would alter the entire federal arrangement constructed by the framers.=20 Suddenly, state legislatures were disempowered from the affairs of the central government. They were reduced in stature from powerful bodies that played an essential watchdog role into mere lobbyists dependent on favors from the Congress and the executive. The U.S. Senate did indeed become like the House: grasping, conniving, and slavish in its attachments to special-interest legislation.=20 Today, as the Senate examines the question of whether Clinton should be removed from office, its members are not thinking about what is best for the liberty of the citizens of the states. They are loathe to apply the law independent of establishment opinion. And what they fear is not the consternation of their state legislators, but the next election and their national standing. It should not surprise anyone when they play the coward in the face of media and executive branch pressure.=20 In light of this history, it is preposterous for the Senate to be blabbing on about the Federalist Papers and the framers' intentions with regard to the impeachment power. It is not even the body it was established to be. Hence it cannot and will not exercise the power over the executive state that it was supposed to wield by its very structure.=20 Terrible amendments to the Constitution were added early this century, but history has shown that they need not do permanent damage. The 18th amendment imposed prohibition in 1919, but in a great triumph for freedom, it was repealed with the 21st Amendment in 1933. As the Senate caves to the usual pressure groups and lets Clinton off the hook, citizens should retaliate by reversing the 17th Amendment, too.=20 Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr. is president of the Ludwig von Mises Institute in Auburn, Alabama.=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =A9 1999 Western Journalism Center=20 This page was last built 2/3/99; 11:39:25 PM Site script= ed with UserLand Frontier=20 Direct corrections and technical inquiries to webmaster@w= orldnetdaily.com=20 =20 Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 _________________| 1175 N Altadena Dr | ____________ Jack@Minerva.com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Harry E. Barnett" Subject: Your United Nations at Work and the View from Abroad Date: 04 Feb 1999 08:42:50 -0800 Here is an example of what your tax dollars are doing in foreign climes. Notice the discrepancy between this propaganda and US-published propaganda regarding "firearm-related murder rate". In the US, we seem to be deluged with agit-prop that emphasizes how barbaric we are, having the "highest murder rate in the world" and so on. I don't think South Africa's "new" Constitution contains any provision regarding RKBA such as our Second Amendment. ["SA" == South Africa] ===Begin excerpt=== HAVING A GUN DOES NOT MAKE YOU SAFER: THE STAR, 19990204, P.2 - SA has the second highest firearm-related murder rate in the world, second only to Colombia, according to a 1998 United Nations survey. On average about 11 000 people - 30 people each day - are killed yearly by people armed with guns. SA also has the highest number of law enforcement officers killed - 212 in 1997 and 223 last year. Gun Free SA recently commissioned research on the effectiveness of firearms as a form of defence, which was released at a seminar yesterday. The conclusion of the research showed that while owning a gun made people feel safer, it did not translate into actual security. ===End excerpt=== This from a country where "actual security" equates to "observation of Traffic Control Devices [stop signs, etc.] betwenn 6:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. is optional, to avoid car-jackings". You can run, but you can't resist? Here is an example of the view on "Constitutions" from across the pond. This is excerpted from a post in soc.war.civil.usa posted by mwstone@aol.com 2/3/99 (a British (?) subject) ===Begin excerpt=== "Given the public attitudes of the time, the [Reconstruction] amendments were more of a promise for the future than anything. In the end, a Constitution means what the public opinion of the day *wants* it to mean. If people were not yet ready to take race equality seriously, then no amount of legislation could make it work. The converse is also true. If public opinion (including judicial opinion) is firmly in favour of, say, gun-control laws, then no amount of quoting the 2nd Amendment will stop them coming." mwstone@aol.com ===End excerpt=== In other words, the Constitution is so much twaddle, a sop for the sophomoric masses, according to this fellow. Given the fact that the English concept of "Government by Constitution" is drastically different from the United States concept, nevertheless, doesn't this adequately express the majority AMERICAN opinion right now, also? ------- Harry E. Barnett harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - Mencken - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FBI Director Freeh Warns Of Millennium Violence (fwd) Date: 05 Feb 1999 04:07:13 PST On Feb 5, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] RKBA Defenders, If you read between the lines, this looks and sounds like "psycho- politics" at work (i.e. the careful phrasing and word usage which has the effect of demonizing your enemy and justifying whatever course of action you wish to resort to). Watch how Freeh/Reno carefully frame their attack on Conservative America and paint with a broad brush to include Christians and those associated with militia as being: "..."a disturbing trend" toward the pseudo-religion of Christian Identity -- and other hate philosophies." That being the case, Americans with guns, particularly Christians with guns, are being redefined as "extremist" and "terrorist" elements. Even those NOT associated with any militia, but religious 'individuals' are included in the ambit of a possible terrorist threat. Make no mistake, while they are talking about fringe elements, who they *mean* to include are people like ourselves. Remember, these are people from the same administration that blamed Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich for the Oklahoma City bombing and used this latter-day Reichstag Fire to push through the 'Counterterrorism' Bill, which brushed aside many Constitutional protections against Governmental spying and rights of the accused. It is also the same administration that pushed through the "assault weapons" ban after immolating some 80-odd American men, women and children. Pay close attention how words can be used as weapons through simple redefinition: A home can be attacked if it is redefined as a "compound." A semi-automatic rifle can be banned after it's redefined as an "assault rifle," a pistol a "junk gun" or Saturday night special," shotguns as "alley sweepers," hunting rifles as "sniper rifles" and Christians, once redefined as "cultists," "extremists" or as a pseudo-religion, can be hunted down and killed with impunity. I don't consider myself as racist, overly religious, nor extreme. However, I can read the plain language of the Constitution, even if they cannot. The trends and indicators are not encouraging. I find it very disturbing, very disturbing indeed, when the premiere law enforcement organization in the United States are targeting Americans who are patriotic, religious and who exercise their God-given Rights under our Constitution. This is the same Justice Department who cannot see the obvious glaring problems of Chinese Communist dollars supporting the Clinton/Gore campaign, nor the treasonous transfer of highly-sensitive nuclear, encryption and multi-stage ICBM technology to the Red Chinese. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/story.html?s=v/nm/19990205/ts/millennium_3.html It is absolutely imperitive that we take Clinton out of office. This is what he has done to the nation and how he has corrupted our law enforcement. In liberty, Rick V. A few words on psychopolitical warfare: >"The effect you care about is the one upon officials. You must recruit every agency of the nation marked for slaughter into a foaming hatred of religious healing. You must suborn district attorneys and judges into an intense belief as fervent as an ancient faith in God that Christian Science or any other religious practice which might devote itself to mental healing is vicious, bad, insanity-causing, publicly hated and intolerable... >"...Remember, all lands are governed by the few and only pretend to consult with the many. It is no different in America. The petty official, the maker of laws alike can be made to believe the worst. It is not necessary to convince the masses. It is only - CHAPTER XIV THE SMASHING OF RELIGIOUS GROUPS* > [*] "This book was used in underground schools, and contains the address of Beria to the American students in the Lenin University prior to 1936. The text in the book in general is from the Communist Manual of Instructions of Psychopolitical Warfare, an The Words They Use (Ideological, Political Warfare) http://www.founding.org/column37.html -- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Date: 05 Feb 1999 14:48:05 PST On Feb 5, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] As I write this, it appears that the impeachment trial will end with either no verdict, or an acquittal largely engineered by gutless members of the Senate's Republican "leadership." Clearly those members, along with a sizeable proportion of the populace, believe that once they can "put this behind us" everything will return to whatever they think things were like before the Lewinsky matter first arose. Like all nostalgia, this is rooted in fantasy. Bill Clinton has been proven to be nearly as horrible a human being as his most extremist critics have been saying for years. The four major divisions of the Omnibus Broadcasting System, or OBS, have demonstrated beyond a shadow of doubt among persons with better than a room-temperature IQ, that they are devoted to the preservation and perpetuation of the Clinton presidency, if only because its well-deserved early termination would constitute a victory for those e-e-e-e-evil Republicans who swarmed over the walls of the citadel in 1994. Worse, a number of Republican Senators (and a handful of their brethren in the House) have been proven beyond a doubt to lack the fortitude God gave pond scum. Even though OBS has portrayed the House managers as fanatical witch-hunters, the queasy "moderate" wing of the Republican Party has made itself look worse by fleeing from even the slightest chance of short-term political difficulty, no matter the demands of long-term public duty. A few years ago I predicted to an acquaintance that history would label the 20th Century as the Era of Nonsense. In 1999, my prediction is given credence that I could not -- and certainly would not -- have expected back then. Every aspect of our lives is beset by bureaucratic idiocy -- rules and regulations having no basis in achieving any public good. The law is subjected to a series of twists and knots that look less like George Orwell's vision than Lewis Carroll's. With all the information at their fingertips that they could possibly need to be informed members of civilization, the vast majority of Americans prefer to concern themselves with the grim future facing the profession of supermodeling. "In the Wilderness" is hereby placed on indefinite hiatus. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: SLICK_ ON THE cOMMON cONSERVATIVE (fwd) Date: 06 Feb 1999 14:10:05 PST What Tom discribes as Republican ideas could better be discribed as Conservative, and Social Security investing in the stock market could more accurately be discribed as Fascism instead of Communism, but otherwise, it's a pretty fair post. On Feb 6, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Ordinarily, when I come across something interesting on the internet, I give their WWW site a plug near the end of the Slick e-zine, but there is nothing ordinary about Tom Adkins' The Common Conservative. Below is his take on the prez blueprint for his last 2 yrs. Tom's Snappy Answers will serve you well between now and the next election. You may want to get on his mailing list. Rich Martin Editor of Slick Subj: Tom Adkins- the Common Conservative BCC: RichSlick the Common Conservative 2/1/99 http://commonconservative.com orclick here-----> the Common Conservative Snappy Answers to the Stupid State of the Union Speech by Tom Adkins When Bill Clinton gave his State of the Union speech, were you grinding your teeth? And when those talking heads started fawning afterwards, were you screaming at your TV? Once again, the Common Conservative is compelled to answer with our "Snappy Answers to the Stupid State Of The Union Speech." Bill Clinton s excerpts are bolded, and we respond. America has created the longest peacetime economic expansion in history... Thanks to the capital gains cut, a $500 per child tax credit, welfare reform, and... ...say, weren't those Republican ideas? For the first time in three decades, the budget is balanced... It s been three decades since the last time Republicans controlled the congress. Coincidence? I think not. We have the lowest violent crime rate in a quarter century... Thanks to "three strikes," mandatory drug sentencing, and tougher law enforcement and... ...say, weren't those Republican ideas? Thanks to the leadership of Al Gore, we have a government for the information age. Al Gore can t even turn on a computer. Ask him. It s true. The state of our union is strong. Thank God. Otherwise, Bill Clinton would have ruined us. I propose we make the historic decision to invest a small portion of Social Security in the private sector. It s been tried. It s called Communism. This will earn a higher return and keep Social Security around for 55 years. The average government investment returns about 3%. Put the stock page on the wall, and I can beat 3% with a monkey and 5 darts. This is the same government that invested 2 million to study drunken gold fish. I propose we use 1 out of every 6 dollars to guarantee Medicare until the year 2020. The free market could fix this in a year. And guarantee it forever. And cost less. I propose a USA account, to give all Americans the means to save. I have a better idea. Give our damn money back. We passed the 100,000 new teachers legislation. And I can find them in the same place I can find the 100,000 new cops ...the Room of Smoke and Mirrors. Our fourth graders outperform their peers, our 8th graders are around average, our 12th graders are at the bottom. Then money obviously isn t the problem. Each year, congress invests 15 billion in our schools Then, the education bureaucracy pays itself 12 billion, and gives what s left to the kids. That s about 60 dollars for each child, if you are counting. We will end social promotion... A Republican idea. We will shut down our worst-performing schools... A Republican idea. States and school districts must be held responsible for the quality of the teachers. A Republican idea. Parents should have a choice in selecting their public schools... A Republican idea. All states and schools must adopt discipline policies. A Republican idea. Again. I can t wait until Clinton visits the next teachers union convention. Two words, Bill - "Flak jacket." Help our communities build 5,000 schools... We could do this ourselves. Just cut our taxes. Let s raise the minimum wage to 6 dollars an hour... Why stop at 6 bucks? Let s raise it to 500 dollars an hour. I ve always wondered what a $1,200 pizza tastes like. You should have the right to a specialist. You should have the right to emergency care. I should have the right to free beer, too. But if the government is brewing it, I d rather pay for it myself. We must continue to ensure access to family planning. We must continue to pay for partial-birth abortions. The justice Department is preparing a plan to take tobacco companies to court Tobacco is legal. Bribery is illegal. If Janet Reno really wants to chase crooks, she could investigate the DNC. We must bring the spark of private enterprise to every community in America. Spark? Hell, you could lite a torch with a tax cut Government investment led to the creation of the internet. And government staying away from the internet allowed it to flourish. We will continue to work on a global basis to build a financial system for the 21st Century. Fat-cat dictators and the Russian Mafia need our help, so give freely to the IMF. We must tear down barriers, open markets and expand trade. Is that why we sold secret rocket guidance technology to China? We must insist that international trade organizations be open to public scrutiny. Good. Let s start with American trade organizations; the Unions. Americans can be proud that our leadership renewed hope for lasting peace in the Middle East. He showed up. They took pictures. He went home. Big Deal. We will work to keep terrorists from disrupting computer networks Why bother? Our 15-year-old government computers will do that all by themselves in 11 months. We must increase our efforts to restrain the spread of nuclear weapons and missiles By bombing aspirin factories. America will continue to contain Saddam. "Bow wow wow." America needs a strong and effective United Nations. America needs to get out of the United Nations. My budget will help put 50,000 more police on the beat. You ll find them right next to the 100,000 cops that aren t there, and the 100,000 teachers that aren t there and the 1 billion dollars that isn t there I ask congress to restore the 5 day waiting period. Sure all criminals will respect a waiting period. "Excuse me, sir you can t rob me for 5 more days that s when I get my gun " I propose a one billion dollar Livability Agenda to help communities grow in ways that enhance every citizen s quality of life. As defined by which government bureaucrat? A one billion dollar Lands Legacy, to preserve places of natural beauty. So people in Pennsylvania are buying open land in Oklahoma? Or will this be another way to pay off Indonesia for campaign contributions, like the Escalante coal region in Utah? I call on congress to make the Employment Non-discrimination Act the law... Oh, no another quota system. And pass the Hate crimes prevention act To reverse that "Happy Crimes" legislation we passed awhile back. Let s have a census that uses the latest modern scientific methods. Like the polls that told us Democrats would keep control of the Congress in 1994. Perhaps in the daily press of events, in the clash of controversy we do not see our own time for what it truly is - a new dawn for America. Let s just say this presidency will "Go Down" in history, and leave it at that. There you are. Your "Snappy Answers to the Stupid State of the Union Speech." Use them often. Use them wisely. But above all, use them. Tom Adkins [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: The Ten Commandments (fwd) Date: 06 Feb 1999 14:12:22 PST Given a lot of people's level of reading comprehension these days, it's unfortunately needed. On Feb 6, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] A friend sent me this but doesn't know who came up with the commentary. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ >I AM THE LORD THY GOD ... THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. >You shall not place earth spirits, nor power, nor pleasure, nor social position, >nor political ideology first in your life before God, nor shall you give >yourself over to drugs lest they push everything else out of your life, >including God. > >THOU SHALT NOT BOW DOWN BEFORE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE, NOR SERVE THEM. >You shall not serve money, nor images of the rich or famous, nor rules made by >men contrary to God's Law. You shall not serve any creature or thing except God. > >THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN. >You shall not proclaim good evil, nor evil good, nor right wrong, nor wrong >right, for this is the power only of God, not of men. > >REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY AND KEEP IT HOLY. >You shall not make use of the Lord's Day, nor His Word, nor symbols of His Word, >nor men of God, to enhance your own image among men or to excuse your misdeeds. > >HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER. > >THOU SHALT NOT MURDER. >Nor shall you see murder done and fail to justly punish the murderer. > >THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY. >It doesn't matter that you may convince yourself that a certain thing done a >certain way isn't adultery. Again, God alone is the Judge. > >THOU SHALT NOT STEAL. >You shall not take that which is not your own, whether by lawless force or by >wrongful law. You shall not excuse theft by calling it by another name, nor >shall you seek to make a virtue of it. > >THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS. >You shall not seek to deceive nor mislead, even if your words are "legally >accurate." > >THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, NOR HIS WIFE, NOR ANY THING THAT IS >THY NEIGHBOR'S. >You shall not even *want* to take that which is not your own. You shall not be >envious or resentful that another has more things than you have. You shall not >deceive yourself or others into believing that others are less deserving of such >things, or that you are more deserving. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Clinton Wants Gun Show Crackdown (fwd) Date: 06 Feb 1999 21:49:28 PST On Feb 6, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] By SANDRA SOBIERAJ Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Clinton requested legislation Saturday to require background checks on all firearms buyers at gun shows, which he says have become ``cash-and-carry convenience stores for weapons used to maim and kill.'' The new national policy, Clinton said, should be: ``No background check, no gun. No exceptions.'' The National Rifle Association called his proposal a ``public relations stunt'' and said the federal government is not enforcing existing gun control laws. http://www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpwh0y.htm Comment: Pissed off enough yet? I am. So with over 70 million gunowners we are going to let this happen? May I make some suggestions? 1) Contact Congress. It may work, it may not , but it's certain NOT to work if you do nothing. http://www.gunowners.org/mailerx.html 2) Organize. If you are not part of a state, regional or National RKBA Rights organization, make one. Write letters, advertise - if only on the internet - raise money, seek out attorneys and bring lawsuits. If you don't know how to make one contact any one already in existence and ask ho they got started. If you don't know of any groups, contact me and I will send you a list of know State RKBA groups. I will post the list on the Net. 3) Communicate - with all the OTHER RKBA Rights groups, share information, tactics and resources. 4) Recruit, proselytize. Each one of us must become emmissaries for the Second Amendment and let others know, without the Second Amendment, the rest are useless. Grab an armload of voter's registration forms and ask your gunshop, rifle range, skeet range, outfitter and CCW training school to have such forms handy, as well as URLs to major RKBA Rights pages. Take some Voter's registration forms to gunshows as well. It's not about guns, it's about Freedom. 5) Attorneys - we need you. If there are any attorneys who specialize or devote a substantial portion of their practice to Constitutional defense, the Second Amendment and need an associate for research and as a litigation understudy, please contact me. Jurist@attymail.com I will relocate to any state that honors CCW. I am a member of the Florida Bar and will be a candidate for the Virginia Bar in 1999. In liberty, Rick V. jurist@attymail.com http://freeweb.digiweb.com/pages/RKBA/commies.htm -- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fwd: Free Republic needs your Help!] (fwd) Date: 06 Feb 1999 21:50:40 PST On Feb 6, Charlie Mealy wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6952E25FCD54A8FA105B7528 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- NRA\ILA Member Council of Tampa Bay Charlie Mealy 727-441-4251 Fax 727-444-4452 Web Site http://home.tampabay.rr.com/membercouncil --------------6952E25FCD54A8FA105B7528 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from www55.linkexchange.com (www59.linkexchange.com [216.32.177.236]) by mail-atm.tampabay.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8+RoadRunner) with SMTP id UAA12489 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5321 invoked by uid 100); 7 Feb 1999 01:44:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 18868 invoked from network); 7 Feb 1999 01:44:40 -0000 Received: from smtp1.gte.net (207.115.153.30) by www61.linkexchange.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 1999 01:44:40 -0000 Received: from bob (1Cust181.tnt12.tampa.fl.da.uu.net [63.10.182.181]) by smtp1.gte.net with SMTP id TAA19254 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:44:36 -0600 (CST) Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact membercouncil-help@listbot.com Delivered-To: mailing list membercouncil@listbot.com Message-ID: <001501be523b$def68ac0$0100010a@bob> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BE5211.E51A99C0" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BE5211.E51A99C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Member Council of Tampa Bay - http://home.tampabay.rr.com/membercouncil Senatevote.com is holding a poll on the Clinton senate trial. 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Barnett" Subject: Re: Clinton Wants Gun Show Crackdown (fwd) Date: 07 Feb 1999 10:36:20 -0800 >The new national policy, Clinton said, should be: ``No background check, >no gun. No exceptions. Pretty catchy phrasing. Maybe it can be reworked into a bumper sticker. "New National Policy: No background check, no inauguration, no exceptions." ------- Harry E. Barnett harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com I support Alan Keyes and Keyes 2000! Learn more at http://www.Keyes2000.org - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Re: Clinton Wants Gun Show Crackdown (fwd) Date: 07 Feb 1999 11:27:35 -0800 Harry E. Barnett wrote: > > "New National Policy: No background check, no inauguration, no > exceptions." > Well said, Harry. Skip. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Clinton Wants Gun Show Crackdown (fwd) Date: 07 Feb 1999 18:08:46 PST On Feb 07, Skip Leuschner wrote: >Harry E. Barnett wrote: > >> "New National Policy: No background check, no inauguration, no >> exceptions." >> > >Well said, Harry. > >Skip. Ditto! -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Should the Senate remove Bill Clinton from office? (Poll & Sen. E-mail) (fwd) Date: 07 Feb 1999 18:11:12 PST On Feb 7, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Despite overwhelming evidence of guilt, the US Senate appears deadlocked 56-44, insufficient to remove the President. What can we expect to happen to the Constitution, to the Second Amendment, to Liberty, once Clinton dodges this bullet? Voice your opinion on how your senators should vote and on any other aspects of the impeachment trial. With the Senate impeachment trial final vote now expected on or before February 12th, there is limited time to voice your opinion to your senator. Post your message now and your message will be printed and hand delivered to your senator's office prior to the final vote. Your message will be a part of history as SenateVote.com will record the contents of all messages on CD-ROM and make them available to the Senate and Library of Congress. Cast Your Vote Should the Senate remove Bill Clinton from office? Yes No (Sitting at 49% - 51%) as of 05:35 hrs. 01/07/1999 View poll results http://www.senatevote.com/ The time is NOW to mobilize for the next round of elections. ******* 100 Percent Gunowner VOTER Registration in 1999! ******* -- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: URGENT! Olympic Gun Ban Imminent! (fwd) Date: 07 Feb 1999 18:13:10 PST On Feb 7, S. Thompson wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE! PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL GUN-RIGHTS, PATRIOT, CONSTITUTIONAL, LIBERTARIAN, AND RELATED LISTS AND PEOPLE! (If you don't want to read the whole thing, scroll down to "What You Can Do" - for people who DON'T live in Utah. If you DO live in Utah, and didn't get the Utah alert, let me know and I'll send it.) The people of Utah need YOUR help to stop Olympic Gun Control. The internationalist socialists who run the Olympics, and the gun-grabbing Clinton administration are trying to make an example of Utah. They want to prove that they can enact gun control and disarmament anywhere, anytime, without any regard for laws, constitutions, state or national sovereignty. This is NOT a "local issue". If it can happen in Utah, it can happen anywhere else. First it will be the Olympics, and then all international competitions, then the Superbowl, the NBA playoffs, the World Series, all sports events, all concerts, and eventually any gathering of three or more people (the current definition of a "gang"). Traitorous Sen. Mike Waddoups, who bills himself a "pro-gun" legislator, is sponsoring SB 122, Controlled Access Areas in Olympic Venues. He now publicly attacks his former supporters as "gun nuts". The legislature has been ordered (probably by Gov. Leavitt) to pass Olympic Gun Control THIS SESSION, and this bill is on the fast track. It will be heard by the Senate Energy, Natural Resources and Agriculture Committee soon. (Pro-gun Senate President Lane Beattie dumped it into this inappropriate committee to get it rubber-stamped.) This bill must be STOPPED! An analysis of the bill follows. You can read the actual bill at: http://www.le.state.ut.us/~1999/htmdoc/sbillhtm/SB0122.htm 1. Current Utah law provides that a concealed carry permit is valid "without exception". This bill would destroy "without exception" by providing that "a person with a permit to carry a concealed firearm may not carry a concealed firearm in "certain locations including..." This will allow the legislature to add absolutely anyplace to the list of places where firearms may not be carried. 2. SB 122 grants complete authority to an "Olympic Law Enforcement Commander". The Olympic Commander has the authority to decide which areas (up to and including the entire state) are "off-limits" to firearms. He oversees all law enforcement, peace officers, the Utah National Guard, and "all other security and public safety personnel". He may "carry out any other action" deemed "necessary to protect the health, safety and welfare of the public". This sounds an awful lot like martial law to me. I have so far been unable to find any requirement that the Olympic Commander be an American citizen, a sworn peace officer, or that he take an oath to uphold the Constitutions of the Unites States or Utah. 3. The bill restricts "dangerous weapons". And a dangerous weapon is not just a firearm. At the discretion of security, it may also include pocket knives, fingernail clippers, nail files, rat-tail combs, pepper spray, ball-point pens, sticks, or "any item which is capable of causing death or serious bodily injury". 4. SB 122 does not require the state or the Olympics to accept any liability for persons injured or killed as a result of being forceably disarmed, or as a result of negligence on the part of "official" security. 5. State law requires that secure facilities provide safe storage for the firearms of permit holders. SB 122 exempts "Olympic venues" from this requirement. Thus anyone planning on attending events will not only be disarmed at the event, but while traveling to and from events. This will turn thousands of Olympic attendees into perfect targets for criminals. 6. There is absolutely no reason for this bill. It is being enacted at the request of international (IOC) and federal (Clinton, the BATF, the Secret Service, etc.) advocates of universal disarmament. NO holder of a Utah concealed carry permit has EVER used a firearm to injure another person or commit a violent crime. 7. If this bill is passed, it will set a dangerous precedent for international and/or federal agencies to enact gun bans and disarmament at will, anytime, anywhere, without any accountability or oversight. All of these provisions are also present in Rep. David Jones's HB 92, which also requires action, but SB 122 is more likely to actually pass. HB 92 also includes a ban on firearms in private residences (including your own), schools, and churches. (Churches have no discretion, they MUST ban guns. Apparently Rep. Jones is unaware of the First Amendment too.) This will effectively create "free-fire" zones for criminals in schools and churches. HB 92 can be found at: http://www.le.state.ut.us/~1999/htmdoc/hbillhtm/HB0092.htm This bill will be heard Tuesday, Feb. 9 at 8 AM. Rep. Jones's email is: djones@le.state.ut.us WHAT YOU CAN DO! (Assuming you don't live in Utah) Voice your opposition to SB 122 and HB 92. No gun control. No amendments. No compromise. 1.Contact Gov. Leavitt. Apparently there's now evidence that he knew about the Olympic Bribery scandal all along, so he's vulnerable. He also wants to run for national office, so he actually cares more about what YOU think than about what his own consituents think. If we can exert NATIONAL pressure on him, he can call off this nonsense - at least until next year. Gov. Mike Leavitt 210 State Capitol Salt Lake City, UT 84114 801-538-1000 801-538-1528 - fax governor@state.ut.us 2. Contact Sen. Waddoups and let him know what you think of this bill, and of his betrayal of gun owners. He won't "see the light" until he "feels the heat"! Sen. Michael Waddoups (R) 2005 W 5620 S Salt Lake City UT 84118 Home 801-967-0225 Office 801-355-1136 Fax 801-531-9011 3. Write to your local newspapers as well as the Utah papers. Call talk radio shows. Contact national media outlets, both print and TV. I don't want to append my entire media contact list (it's long) but if you want it, let me know. (righter@therighter.com) The Salt Lake Tribune letters@sltrib.com The Deseret News letters@desnes.com The Standard Examiner letters@standard.net More contact info is available at the Nolympics site, http://www.therighter.com/nolympics. We desperately need YOUR help to stop this abomination! Thanks in advance! Sarah Sarah Thompson, M.D. http://www.therighter.com Stop the Gun Ban! NO-lympics 2002! Check out http://www.therighter.com/nolympics And now you can link directly to the Nolympics page and join the nolympics mail list! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: Jury Trials Too Expensive Date: 08 Feb 1999 19:10:03 -0800 FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED FEB. 10, 1999 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Jury trials too costly ... or just too hard to control? The authors of the United States Constitution considered the right to trial by jury - more accurately, the prohibition on government taking away a citizen's life, liberty or property (start ital)without(end ital) the unanimous consent of a randomly chosen citizen jury - so important that it's the only right to which they devoted two of the first 10 amendments. The Sixth Amendment guarantees the right to jury trial "in all criminal prosecutions"; the Seventh Amendment extends that right to all suits in common law "where the value of the controversy shall exceed twenty dollars." And, of course, the 14th Amendment forbade the individual states from depriving American citizens of any of these civil rights. Here in Nevada (as in many states), the authors of the state Constitution were similarly forceful in defending the institution that has made Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence a thousand-year wonder of the world. Section 3 of the 1864-vintage Nevada Constitution declares: "The right of trial by Jury shall be secured to all and remain inviolate forever; but a Jury trial may be waived by the parties in all civil cases in the manner to be prescribed by law. ..." Still, lawyers wouldn't be lawyers (and judges wouldn't be even bigger lawyers) if they didn't try from time to time to convince us the plain meaning of simple words isn't what the mere unwashed commoner thinks it is. The United States Supreme Court, for instance, has held for many years that when the Sixth Amendment guarantees a right to a jury trial in "all" criminal prosecutions, it doesn't mean "all," at all - it merely means all those cases in which the defendant might face six months in jail. If the prosecutor promises to ask for only a five-month sentence, no such right exists. There, wasn't that easy? Then, just a few years back, "conservative" Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor discovered and revealed that even (start ital)that(end ital) isn't quite what the Founders meant: It now turns out they meant it's OK to deny a criminal defendant a jury trial even if he faces more than six months in jail on multiple charges, so long as no (start ital)single(end ital) charge against him carries a penalty of more than six months. Isn't this fun? Constitutional law used to be such drudgery, back before our jurists adopted the motto of Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty, that "When (start ital)I(end ital) use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less." Not wanting to miss out on all the revisionist fun, a group of Clark County (Las Vegas) District Court judges and justices of the peace are now hoping the 1999 Nevada Legislature will agree to see things their way, and start to whittle down the right of Nevadans to demand jury trials in state courtrooms, as well. Whether the Nevada Constitution actually guarantees a right to jury trial (you remember, that hard-to-understand phrase "shall remain inviolate forever"?) "is in dispute," explains District Judge Mark Gibbons, who's sheepdogging this proposed evisceration of one of our most precious liberties up in the state capital in Carson City. The judges complain that it costs the state as much as $5,000 per day to conduct a jury trial, and that just doesn't make sense in civil matters where the jury award may actually end up being less than the trial cost. With appeals, the volume of trials is already dragging out some cases as long as five years, they complain. "If you're fighting over $100 and it's costing everyone else $5,000, how much does public policy matter?" asks Judge Gibbons. Substitute the words "a citizen's basic rights" for the euphemism "public policy," and chew on that question a bit. Besides, none of this could have anything to do with the trend on which Joan Biskupic of The Washington Post penned a major feature on Feb. 8, headlined "In Jury Rooms, A Form of Civil Protest Grows: Activists Registering Disdain for Laws With a 'Not Guilty' " ... could it? The nerve! Jurors refusing to cooperate when "the law" says we have to send away a teenager for years for being caught with a joint in her purse? Why, if juries had been allowed to act as the conscience of the community in this same way back in the 1850s, how would they ever have enforced the Fugitive Slave Act? And once we cave in here, how many other rights would we be willing to give up in the interest of making the jobs of paid government bureaucrats (yes, I am referring to judges) "more efficient"? Does Judge Gibbons also believe (for instance) that it's not worth putting an armed robber on trial if he only netted $3,000 in his crime spree, since that's also not a cost-effective use of a courtroom that costs "everyone else" $5,000 per day? Wouldn't it more cost-effective to just let him walk? In an era when government has expanded till more than 90 percent of what it spends money on is not constitutionally authorized, it's pound foolish to cry poverty in attempting to restrict citizen access to one of the few remaining services which government actually (start ital)is(end ital) authorized and mandated to provide - justice in the courts, including jury trials. Yes, "20 dollars" in 1787 generally meant an ounce of gold. So adjusting for inflation and reading that phrase to mean $300 in today's dollars may be justifiable. And yes, encouraging litigants in cases of lesser value to go to arbitration, or to voluntarily use small claims courts (appearing only before a justice of the peace) is worth a try. But if our state government lacks the money to build enough courtrooms to provide fair and speedy justice, it had just darned well better close down half the bureaucratic ant farms it's erected without any constitutional authorization in the past 60 years, and shift a lot more of its current revenues back to its proper business. The backlog in civil cases is only a symptom of the real problem, anyway: that being the vast increase in (start ital)criminal(end ital) cases due to a hundredfold increase in laws criminalizing previously legal activities. "Unfortunately the criminal stuff is taking most of our time," confirms Las Vegas Justice of the Peace Douglas Smith. "We can't have people sitting in jail while we are doing a car accident trial." If our state legislatures would stop dreaming up new crimes, and instead repeal most of the fanciful new enactments they've dreamed up since about 1913 (Armed robbery was outlawed by then, wasn't it? And murder and rape and fraud?) Judge Gibbons might be amazed at how quickly the courts could deal with the small minority of defendants who would remain in custody. You know ... the ones who have actually hurt someone? Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin@lvrj.com. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. -- John Hay, 1872 The most difficult struggle of all is the one within ourselves. Let us not get accustomed and adjusted to these conditions. The one who adjusts ceases to discriminate between good and evil. He becomes a slave in body and soul. Whatever may happen to you, remember always: Don't adjust! Revolt against the reality! -- Mordechai Anielewicz, Warsaw, 1943 * * * Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 _________________| 1175 N Altadena Dr | ____________ Jack@Minerva.com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: URGENT! SB 122 FRIDAY! (fwd) Date: 11 Feb 1999 05:10:28 PST And you might add the following two paragraphs as well..... "On the whole, citizens are more successful gun users than are the police. When police shoot, they are 5.5 times more likely to hit an innocent person than are civilian shooters." (CATO Institute Policy Analysis No. 109, TRUST THE PEOPLE: THE CASE AGAINST GUN CONTROL, by David Kopel) "The maintenance of civil order and social democracy is in our hands. It has been there all along. In a nationwide study, Don Kates at the St. Louis University School of Law found that police succeed in wounding or driving off criminals only 81% as often as armed citizens and are 15% more likely to be wounded or killed themselves. \More than FIVE TIMES \ as many cops shoot some innocent individual in the process as civilians do.\" (L. Neil Smith's "The Atrocity Engineers") On Feb 10, Maxwell Smart wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] To All Out There Who Care ! ! ! This alert is as much for you and your state as it is for me and mine. If you let these tyrants and international interests destroy Utah, your hour can not be far behind. This alert provided via Sarah Thompson. Thanks, Sarah! Maxwell Smart Utah >Subject: URGENT! SB 122 FRIDAY! > >NATIONAL ALERT from Sarah Thompson > >Here we go again! This is the BIG ONE! > >SB 122, Controlled Access Areas in Olympic Venues, sponsored by Sen. Mike >Waddoups, will be heard Friday, Feb. 12, at 8AM, in Rm 414 State Capitol. >It is being heard by the Senate Energy, Natural Resources and Agriculture >Committee. > >This bill will ban all firarms and dangerous weapons at the Olympics. SB >122 as it currently exists is entirely unacceptable. Although USSC and >Sen. Waddoups are working on a revision, it has not been released yet, and >I honestly don't know that it will be ready by Friday. And with all due >respect to USSC's heroic efforts, there is no such thing as a GOOD gun >control law. > >Arguments against SB 122 >1. SB 122 was intended to be a "last-ditch" alternative in case HB 92 was >passed. HB 92 has been effectively killed. Therefore no additional >legislation is necessary. Utah's concealed carry laws work perfectly well, >and they should not be changed to accomodate a corrupt, gun-grabbing >internationalist Olympics organization. Worse, Olympics officials will >have their OWN bodyguards, but they want to disarm US! > >2. There is no such thing as "reasonable" gun control, much less >"Constitutional" gun control. The Utah Constitution and the US >Constitution say quite plainly that our right to keep and bear arms may not >be infringed. Either you support gun control or you support gun RIGHTS. I >choose to support gun RIGHTS. > >3. No gun control organization, and no gun rights legislator, has any >business sponsoring gun control legislation, even so-called "compromise" >legislation. > >4. Gun owners are not criminals. We are not second class citizens. We >have done exactly NOTHING to deserve being singled out for special >restrictions. By supporting SB 122, we are saying that we AGREE that >law-abiding CCW holders ARE a threat to the Olympics and should not be >permitted to attend. This is simply not true. No CCW holder has ever >committed a violent crime involving a firearm, and there's no reason to >conclude that the Olympics will be an exception. CCW holders are currently >permitted at all sporting events (despite the U. of U's unlawful ban). Why >should the Olympics be any different than the NBA finals? > >While I've posted the "official media reports" on the HB 92 hearings >yesterday, you should know what the advocates of gun control are really >saying. They are saying that we are some sort of "vermin", that we should >not be permitted to participate in "civilized society". People like us >"don't belong" in schools. We "don't belong" in churches or synagogues. >We should "warn" people before we enter their homes. (Perhaps we should be >required to walk around shouting "Leper" like in Biblical times!) We are >"setting a bad example" by allowing our children to see us carrying >firearms responsibly. We "endanger" any place we might happen to enter. >We are an affront and an offense to decent people. They would prefer that >we crawl into holes and stay there. > >What I heard was nothing but hate speech. Gun owners are the new scapegoat >for all of society's ills, and the new "boogeyman" on which the terrified >sheep can project all their fears. We're no better than Jews were to the >Nazis or Blacks were to the segregationists. We're just harder to kill >because we're armed! > >I'm not willing to publicly say: "You're right. I'm a threat to the >Olympics and I'm willing to be disarmed." Because it's NOT TRUE! > >PLEASE HELP! > >1. Contact Gov. Leavitt and express your objections to his support for >disarming law-abiding citizens, his support of the corrupt Olympic >officials, and his blatant attempt to bully the legislature. Apparently >he's never heard of separation of powers. Ask him if he'd be willing to >attend the Olympics without his armed bodyguards. Let him know gun owners >will NEVER support his aspirations to national office. > 2. Write to the media - your local newspapers, national newspapers, gun >magazines, and the Utah newspapers and express your outrage at the >continued arrogance of the Olympics. They're the criminals, but they want >to disarm law-abiding citizens! (DO NOT bulk-mail letters or copy them to >me or the list!) > >3. If you are a member of a gun rights organization, contact that >organization and ask for its support in opposing SB 122. So far GOA >opposes SB 122, the NRA apparently supports it, and the rest have not >responded to my requests for assistance. > >4. While it's unlikely that Sen. Waddoups will listen to people from >outside Utah, you may want to try anyway. If you do, be polite and thank >him for agreeing to try to fix the bill. Politely, but firmly, let him >know that the bill is no longer needed, and that it needs too much work to >be revised so quickly. Ask him to hold the bill. > >Remember that Olympic gun control affects ALL of us. If we can be disarmed >at the Olympics, we can be disarmed at all international competitions, or >even all sporting events, public arenas etc. This needs to STOP NOW! > >Contact info: >Governor Leavitt: governor@state.ut.us > >Deseret News letters@desnews.com >Salt Lake Tribune letters@sltribune.com >Standard Examiner letters@standard.net > >Sen. Waddoups waddoup@le.state.ut.us > >If you have any other suggestions, please feel free to post them! > >Thanks! >Sarah > >Sarah Thompson, M.D. >http://www.therighter.com > >Stop the Gun Ban! >NO-lympics 2002! >Check out http://www.therighter.com/nolympics >And now you can link directly to the Nolympics page >and join the nolympics mail list! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: JIM BOHAN: A PERSONAL REMEMBRANCE (fwd) Date: 11 Feb 1999 09:01:30 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I meant to send this out earlier. A remembrance of the death of a great American Patriot, Jim "LOBO Blue Wolf" Bohan 1-29-98. RIP Regards, Paul Watson ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From THE LIBERTARIAN ENTERPRISE [February 1, 1998] JIM BOHAN: A PERSONAL REMEMBRANCE By L. Neil Smith Exclusive to _The Libertarian Enterprise_ The Old Blue Howler is dead. James Frederick Bohan of Yoakum, Texas, passed away Thursday, Jan. 29, at his computer keyboard of a heart attack. He was 52 years old. Many people knew Jim Bohan (pronounced as if it were written "Bowen") by the "handle" that appeared in one form or another in his various e-mail addresses: "Lobo Azul", or "Blue Wolf". He was a singularly valuable individual, a valiant freedom fighter, and a great man who will be sorely missed, both as a public figure and a personal friend. For my family, for me and my wife Cathy and my daughter Rylla, this is a bitterly painful loss. Jim was one of those colorful, larger-than-life personalities of whom there are all too few in the pitiable weenieocracy that America has become. As Robert Heinlein advised us all, Jim took "big bites" of life and knew without having been told that anything worth doing is worth overdoing. He was a true son of the Texas prairie who reflexively displayed that "you paid for the drinks, I'll pay for the Cadillacs" attitude that Heinlein described. Although we often disagreed on strategy and tactics -- my recent suggestion that libertarian candidates "pick off the stragglers" among Republican office holders who were elected by a 5% margin or less made him pretty mad at me -- one principle we never disagreed about was the central political importance of the individual right to own and carry weapons. We didn't know Jim well in some ways -- I had to get his age and middle name from his aunt, who called me with the terrible news -- but he and I liked each other from the outset of our acquaintance several years ago and respected one another as professionals. He took an immediate shine to my womenfolk when he met them at a Second Amendment leadership conference in Denver and never failed to ask about them afterward. No more will we swap insults, jokes, and other messages over what, to a large degree, was home to both of us, the internet. No more will I have what almost amounted to real-time conversations with him, notes back and forth for hours at a time as each of us tended to his other e-mail. No more will we have the long telephone conversations that both of us used to enjoy and that became more frequent last year when I was offline for so long owing to the flood. Whenever I went too long without sending e-mail, he always called to see if we were all right. As I say, the loss was bitter and personal. But there's another aspect to it. Jim was a pivotal participant in DeFoley8, the effort that set an historical precedent by successfully deposing then House Speaker Tom Foley as punishment for that politician's turnabout on victim disarmament. He went on to be a cofounder of NOBAN -- a mailing list on the internet grimly dedicated to repeal of the Clinton and Brady gun laws -- which he was proud to say amounted to the largest, most powerful, and diverse political coalition ever put together. Jim was one of those background movers-and-shakers no historian ever makes an adequate accounting of, important and well respected in the highest councils of the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association, both of which he served energetically in many ways, especially as a grass-roots conduit to those organizations, both of which have lost touch with their constituencies and reality itself. I knew if I wanted NRA leadership, or even key Republicans, to be aware of something I said, I could tell Jim and sooner or later they'd hear it. An established master of the gruff, curmudgeonly, marshmallow- centered style of charm, he genuinely had little patience for fools. He didn't have much use for libertarians, either, having been put off by some of our liberaloid type in southern California, and I was never able to convince him that I am more typical of the breed than they are. Jim regarded himself as a practical man. He was remarkable in that he maintained amiable relations with leaders of the GOP and the NRA (all of whose foibles and limitations he had no illusion about -- any more than he had illusions about mine), and at the same time remained in touch with rugged individualists like me, a libertarian disgusted with both groups, yet never gave up a micron of his own hard-edged principles. His low voice and soft Texas accent made an interesting and effective counterpoint to his imposing physical appearance. In addition to his other accomplishments, Jim was a cattle man, running a spread that has been in his family for generations, and an oil man, as well. He wrote novels that have been compared with the works of Elmore Leonard and Quentin Tarrantino, but which are so forthright and true to reality that he was still trying to sell them, with the help of a New York agent, at the time of his death. He also wrote screenplays, the option money for one of which, he said, kept his ranch afloat during the long Texas drought of a few years back. He even had an acting credit, having appeared briefly in _American Grafitti_. He meant to write an investigative book dealing with corruption in high places that should have been exposed long ago, but I never learned how far he got. The undertaking would have been very, very dangerous. Jim was one of a kind, a man who can never be replaced. The Republican Party and National Rifle Association have a long, long way to go before they're worthy of the love and loyalty he lavished on them. And I will miss him terribly. =================================== L. Neil Smith is the publisher of _The Libertarian Enterprise_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Fed Black Helicopters exercise in Kingsville,Texas (fwd) Date: 11 Feb 1999 10:16:26 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- soldiers dropping from ropes=20 By David M. Bresnahan =A9 1999 WorldNetDaily.com KINGSVILLE, Texas -- Local residents are distraught over a near disaster during a secret Army training exercise. Local officials claim they were sworn to secrecy. Getting factual information about what happened is next to impossible. Reports from residents told of low flying, unmarked helicopters and soldiers dropping down from ropes in the center of the town after dark Monday night. WorldNetDaily was told that the police station burned and a commercial building was severely damaged.=20 The assistant police chief confirmed what no one else would admit. "The United States Army Special Operations Command was conducting a training exercise in our area," admitted Arthur Rogers when the police chief was unavailable for comment. He refused further details. That was more than Mayor Phil Esquivel would disclose. He said he was sworn to secrecy for national security reasons. His answers were evasive and without detail. When Esquivel was asked about damage he denied there was any. When he was told that damage was reported by a witness, he revised his comments. "If there was any damage done, they were going to repair it, but I haven't gotten an assessment of the properties," the mayor stated. He then admitted there was a fire, but would not comment on the cause or the extent of damage. Was there damage to a building?=20 "Possibly," said Esquivel. "An abandoned building that was going to be torn down anyway." It was learned from another witness that the damaged building was a commercial building that is not going to be torn down. Witnesses reported that black helicopters with no identification markings flew into the city just after dark. They arrived in the center of the city, which had been evacuated by police. The secret training exercise lasted several hours. When it was over an abandoned police station had been accidentally set on fire and the Exxon building was badly damaged when one or more helicopters landed on the roof. Windows of buildings were also broken. "I live out in the country and they flew right over us and our house just trembled. That's how low they were going," said Thelma, a resident who would give only her first name. Esquivel claims he is just being a good citizen by not giving the details. He confirmed that he had granted permission for the exercise, but he refused to say how long ago permission was granted or which branch of the military was involved. "They asked me to keep it secret," repeated Esquivel several times. "I respect national security. It was very well controlled and no one was hurt. "It didn't expend city taxpayers dollars. It did not put citizens of Kingsville in jeopardy. The police department warned all surrounding neighbors. We're supporting national security."=20 Many residents have been complaining extensively. In between life insurance sales appointments, the mayor has been fielding angry phone calls. "I'm glad that this gets out. This is total B.S. If we don't stop it now it's going to get worse," John Rohmfeld, who lives there, told WorldNetDaily. "Apparently this was a secret operation. "They meant to come in here and see what the hell they can get away with. I'm not going to let them get away with it," he stated. The mayor tells all the concerned callers the same thing:=20 "It was a training exercise that would insure national security if we ever need it. It was asked not to disclose what armed services or what division of the armed services it was in, but it is supporting national security." There are 25,000 residents of Kingsville, a town near Corpus Christi and home of the Kingsville Naval Station. Residents are used to seeing military people around town, but not repelling down from helicopters. They want to know what happened in their town. Not knowing causes fear, and refusal to answer questions causes them to lose trust in their leaders. The local barber shop is usually the center of gossip and discussion of current events. The day after the exercise there were only questions and doubt, which were the result of no official word on what happened. "I don't like something like that. I don't like what was going on," said barber Joel Gant. For now, the questions remain. The army public relations officer failed to return calls from WorldNetDaily, and no one in an official position was willing to explain what happened. -- For help with Majordomo commands, send a message to majordomo@mailing-list.= net with the word help in the message body. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: JIM BOHAN: A PERSONAL REMEMBRANCE (fwd) (fwd) Date: 11 Feb 1999 09:36:08 PST I'll add my agreement here. Besides myself, Jim was the only other guy I knew, who could huck ordinary playing cards like shuriken. Not such a big deal you might think, till reminded that there are such things as steel playing cards. Nothing quite like a 54 shot magazine. Jim's loss to us is still evident as few come close to his measure in any way whatsoever. On Feb 11, Paul M Watson wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I meant to send this out earlier. A remembrance of the death of a great American Patriot, Jim "LOBO Blue Wolf" Bohan 1-29-98. RIP Regards, Paul Watson ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From THE LIBERTARIAN ENTERPRISE [February 1, 1998] JIM BOHAN: A PERSONAL REMEMBRANCE By L. Neil Smith Exclusive to _The Libertarian Enterprise_ The Old Blue Howler is dead. James Frederick Bohan of Yoakum, Texas, passed away Thursday, Jan. 29, at his computer keyboard of a heart attack. He was 52 years old. Many people knew Jim Bohan (pronounced as if it were written "Bowen") by the "handle" that appeared in one form or another in his various e-mail addresses: "Lobo Azul", or "Blue Wolf". He was a singularly valuable individual, a valiant freedom fighter, and a great man who will be sorely missed, both as a public figure and a personal friend. For my family, for me and my wife Cathy and my daughter Rylla, this is a bitterly painful loss. Jim was one of those colorful, larger-than-life personalities of whom there are all too few in the pitiable weenieocracy that America has become. As Robert Heinlein advised us all, Jim took "big bites" of life and knew without having been told that anything worth doing is worth overdoing. He was a true son of the Texas prairie who reflexively displayed that "you paid for the drinks, I'll pay for the Cadillacs" attitude that Heinlein described. Although we often disagreed on strategy and tactics -- my recent suggestion that libertarian candidates "pick off the stragglers" among Republican office holders who were elected by a 5% margin or less made him pretty mad at me -- one principle we never disagreed about was the central political importance of the individual right to own and carry weapons. We didn't know Jim well in some ways -- I had to get his age and middle name from his aunt, who called me with the terrible news -- but he and I liked each other from the outset of our acquaintance several years ago and respected one another as professionals. He took an immediate shine to my womenfolk when he met them at a Second Amendment leadership conference in Denver and never failed to ask about them afterward. No more will we swap insults, jokes, and other messages over what, to a large degree, was home to both of us, the internet. No more will I have what almost amounted to real-time conversations with him, notes back and forth for hours at a time as each of us tended to his other e-mail. No more will we have the long telephone conversations that both of us used to enjoy and that became more frequent last year when I was offline for so long owing to the flood. Whenever I went too long without sending e-mail, he always called to see if we were all right. As I say, the loss was bitter and personal. But there's another aspect to it. Jim was a pivotal participant in DeFoley8, the effort that set an historical precedent by successfully deposing then House Speaker Tom Foley as punishment for that politician's turnabout on victim disarmament. He went on to be a cofounder of NOBAN -- a mailing list on the internet grimly dedicated to repeal of the Clinton and Brady gun laws -- which he was proud to say amounted to the largest, most powerful, and diverse political coalition ever put together. Jim was one of those background movers-and-shakers no historian ever makes an adequate accounting of, important and well respected in the highest councils of the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association, both of which he served energetically in many ways, especially as a grass-roots conduit to those organizations, both of which have lost touch with their constituencies and reality itself. I knew if I wanted NRA leadership, or even key Republicans, to be aware of something I said, I could tell Jim and sooner or later they'd hear it. An established master of the gruff, curmudgeonly, marshmallow- centered style of charm, he genuinely had little patience for fools. He didn't have much use for libertarians, either, having been put off by some of our liberaloid type in southern California, and I was never able to convince him that I am more typical of the breed than they are. Jim regarded himself as a practical man. He was remarkable in that he maintained amiable relations with leaders of the GOP and the NRA (all of whose foibles and limitations he had no illusion about -- any more than he had illusions about mine), and at the same time remained in touch with rugged individualists like me, a libertarian disgusted with both groups, yet never gave up a micron of his own hard-edged principles. His low voice and soft Texas accent made an interesting and effective counterpoint to his imposing physical appearance. In addition to his other accomplishments, Jim was a cattle man, running a spread that has been in his family for generations, and an oil man, as well. He wrote novels that have been compared with the works of Elmore Leonard and Quentin Tarrantino, but which are so forthright and true to reality that he was still trying to sell them, with the help of a New York agent, at the time of his death. He also wrote screenplays, the option money for one of which, he said, kept his ranch afloat during the long Texas drought of a few years back. He even had an acting credit, having appeared briefly in _American Grafitti_. He meant to write an investigative book dealing with corruption in high places that should have been exposed long ago, but I never learned how far he got. The undertaking would have been very, very dangerous. Jim was one of a kind, a man who can never be replaced. The Republican Party and National Rifle Association have a long, long way to go before they're worthy of the love and loyalty he lavished on them. And I will miss him terribly. =================================== L. Neil Smith is the publisher of _The Libertarian Enterprise_ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Words for Amoral America Date: 11 Feb 1999 16:23:21 -0600 (CST) his guy is a Professor at Yale. He survived one of the disfiguring Unibomber explosions. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- New York Post COMMENTARY WORDS FOR AMORAL AMERICA By DAVID GELERNTER ______________________________________________________________ OUR language shows the character of our thinking, like a pond surface transmitting disturbances below. A Democratic senator announced recently that he ''didn't agree'' with some of the president's behavior (although naturally he was opposed to conviction on the impeachment charges). Now you can ''disagree'' with a proposition, but not an action. It makes no sense to say ''I agreed with the president at first, when he walked his dog; when he fell down the stairs, I disagreed with that.'' But of course it's easier to ''disagree'' with a man than disapprove of him. Disagreement is morally neutral. The judge doesn't tell the defendant ''The jury has found you guilty, and I disagree with your crimes. I therefore sentence you to ... '' The priest doesn't tell the penitent in the confessional ''I disagree with your sins, and accordingly ... '' At least I don't think he does. This senator was talking the new language of American amorality. He was a good spokesman for a society that is in steady retreat from the idea of duty. Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) laid it on the line in an interview that is already passing into legend and will one day be recounted in history books. He explained that, yes, the president was guilty of impeachable crimes - but he should not be (or at any rate could not be) convicted and removed because he is popular and the economy is strong. I'm sure many other senators think the same thing but don't have the courage to admit it. Henceforth any defendant should be allowed to plead ''not guilty by reason of popularity,'' and criminal lawyers will have to study up on the Soaring Dow defense. When the murderer O.J. Simpson was acquitted and set free, most Americans assumed that the verdict was a fantastic anomaly. Many white Americans assumed also that it was a piece of ugly, vicious racism on the part of a black jury. Today they owe the Simpson jury an apology, of sorts. No less an authority than the U.S. Senate has endorsed the idea that if the facts say ''guilty!'' you are duty-bound to convict - assuming you feel up to it. Otherwise, never mind. The Simpson jury evidently reasoned: ''It doesn't matter whether this man is innocent or guilty; we don't want to convict him. Some people regard him as a hero. We hate his accusers. And we'd be unpopular with our neighbors if we voted to bring him down.'' Many congressional Democrats seem to feel the same way about the president. Of course there is a large moral difference between Clinton's crimes and Simpson's. I assume that if the president's crimes had been truly Simpsonian, even Sen. Byrd would have favored conviction. But I'm not sure where the switch-over would take place. Once you are cleared to commit obstruction of justice and perjury, what other crimes can you get away with? There's a thought to cheer a president on a rainy day. What have we learned? Where does impeachment leave us? It leaves us (speaking for southern New England) on a pale day threatening snow, with a pair of solemn mallards cruising a forest pond. I visited the pond a few days ago with my boys, and we watched contentedly for a long time as nothing happened. The outcome of the impeachment trial merely reflects (like the pond reflecting bare branches) the nation's spiritual emptiness. The president himself, having no character of his own, reflects the nation's mood like a mirror. (He is famous for reading an audience and adjusting his tone accordingly.) He has made the White House small, mean and cheap, but eventually it will recover - when the nation does. In the meantime, there is this pond reminding us of the once and future dignity of the United States of America, and preserving a small piece of it. Now is a good time for ducks and quiet. A NEWS story over the weekend made such a strange assertion, I had to read it three times to make sure I had understood it. Ultimately it's a good indication of our state of mind. The National Archives in Washington has determined that the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights (the actual parchment originals) need new cases; otherwise they might suffer long-term damage. Fair enough. Musing on the Founding Fathers and the Declaration, the New York Times said this: ''Surely few thought that the text they wrote would survive for more than two centuries.'' Why should they have doubted that their parchment text ''would survive for more than two centuries''? Many medieval manuscripts survive today, and they were all on hand in 1776 - housed mainly in Europe; but the Founding Fathers were worldly, cultivated men. I can only guess that this news story projects onto 1776 the world-view of today's cultural leaders. Most old parchment texts are religious documents, but editors and reporters rarely think about religion, or medieval manuscripts - and they assume that the Founding Fathers approached life on the same basis. Today's cultural leaders rarely take words seriously, or choose them carefully, or expect them to last - and they can barely imagine men who did. ______________________________________________________________ MORE COMMENTARY - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Re: Garden: CNN Poll (fwd) Date: 13 Feb 1999 16:07:04 PST On Feb 13, Eugene Gross wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hey Folks, Not that it will change the reality of what has happened, but send a message from the heartland!! Please go over to this site and VOTE!!! CNN may not like the results if the word gets out to loyal, patriotic Americans -- so, let's get over and VOTE!! May be the last vote you are free to cast! En Agape, Gene P.S. At this point, the Yes crowd is larger than the No -- so if you disagree with what the Senate did, you need to go over and vote No! rocco angelo wrote: > OK Folks, let's go to this website and vote. So far we are losing. > Thanks, > Mark > http://www.cnn.com/ > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ira Wilsker Subject: Re: CNN Poll (fwd) Date: 13 Feb 1999 21:06:15 -0600 It is no longer on the MAIN CNN page - in order to vote, you MUST go to the impeachment page at: http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/12/impeachment/ Ira Wilsker iwilsker@ih2000.net ICQ: 1641171 HEAR my radio show 10-11am Central Thurs. at 560AM or http://klvi.com Weather Page: http://www.ih2000.net/ira/bmt-wth.htm International Police Conf.: http://www.ih2000.net/ira/sharjah.htm Law Enforcement Page: http://www.ih2000.net/ira/ira.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Wyoming Legislature gives state AG power to help those attacked by anti-gun lawsuits (fwd) Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:29:13 PST On Feb 13, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] State attorney to have discretion to support suits against gun makers (c) 1999 Wyoming Tribune-Eagle (Cheyenne, WY) CHEYENNE -- The state=92s attorney general is closer to being allowed to = support people or industries being sued by plaintiffs who want to outlaw gun manufacturing. Senate File 128 passed the House on a 54-3 vote Friday, with three excuse= d. If the governor signs it, the bill will give the attorney general the discre= tion to legally support Wyoming citizens and firms defending a suit against the industry. Pass it around. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: In the Wilderness - 13 Feb 99 (fwd) Date: 14 Feb 1999 01:12:55 PST On Feb 13, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] IN THE WILDERNESS (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ THE FIRST COMMANDMENT A middle-aged woman in Sedona, Arizona holds a crystal and meditates on Gaia, the earth goddess. A slightly deranged White House aide pauses in his whisper campaign about a "vast right-wing conspiracy" to contemplate his idea of utopia -- by perusing The Communist Manifesto. A 19th-Century American poet writes, "As man's creeds are a disease of the intellect, so are his prayers a disease of the will." An avid reader of myriad pop-science magazines argues fervently that since God can't be proven scientifically to exist, he must NOT exist. A middle-aged man in Washington, D.C. risks everything that he's worked for his entire life for an illicit sexual encounter with a girl who works for him without pay. A television executive retreats to his office to perform what he jokingly calls his "worship service" -- over a line of cocaine. The second and third verses of the 20th Chapter of Exodus contain the words of the First Commandment: "I am the Lord thy God ... thou shalt have no other gods before Me." Ultimately, any rival raised up against God is never more (though often less) than an effigy of man himself, even when labeled a goddess. In Judeo-Christian thought, man has a dual nature: part sacred, part profane. The caution embodied in the First Commandment is that man must not turn away from the divinity placed within him by his Creator. Yet so easily do we make the transition from knowing that we have a little bit of God in each of us, to conceiving that we are, therefore, God. When we look aside from the fact of duality, from the recognition that where there can be good in this world there can also be evil, we fail of the First Commandment. At that point, it is only natural -- if ridiculously Orwellian -- to convince ourselves that it is more godly to be less like God. And when are we less like God than when we know nothing but hunger, cold, and fear? Each of us passes through a time in our lives -- at least once -- when our world revolves entirely around an excruciating need to be fed, comforted, and kept safe. We neither know nor care that others around us have needs and desires and wishes of their own; they must serve us as we demand or else! Any unmet need unleashes a savage anger that is sure to distress all. God may be within us at such times, but we don't know Him. We are tiny, noisy, quivering masses of instincts and hormones and impulses. We are infants, slaves to a few basic forms of pleasure. And so it is that in a nation that was wracked thirty years ago with the tumultuous rise of the Cult of Youth, there has arisen a "leader" who panders to a superannuated version of the instincts, hormones and impulses of the infant -- and he is deemed indispensable because of this pandering, whereas rules and standards that guide and protect the mature adult are despised and cast into ruin. Normally, growth, learning, experience and wisdom eventually awaken that part of us that is like God. Maturity, if achieved, enables us to glimpse -- however fleetingly -- the selfless love that made Him bring us into existence, and to send His own son to die for us. If it is staved off, however, the self-absorption of the infant becomes in later years self-worship -- and ultimately self-destruction. Nothing comes without a price. Maturity comes at the expense of innocence. But again we have to bear in mind the duality of our nature. We were told to go forth and multiply, for example. Being mortals, we have to do certain not-very-God-like things to accomplish this. Likewise, it was only by achieving the knowledge of the difference between good and evil that we came to have free will. The question is whether we should give in to the animal side of being human and give up on the divine. If the First Commandment is any guide, the answer must be NO. Last month on TV there was an interesting movie on television called "Purgatory." Its premise was unique and probably not altogether right, but there was a line spoken that rang true: "The Creator is tough, but He ain't blind." None of us is perfect, in other words, but what matters is not whether we have sinned, but whether we have EMBRACED sin. Those who haven't -- those whose failures have not been excused or justified or exalted as making them better people -- have much less to fear. When looked at seriously, the First Commandment turns out to be the first for a good reason. It can almost stand alone, and certainly is the deepest, most fundamental of the Ten. It assures us that although we as mortals are incapable of perfection, we can be better than we might. But it also warns us that the temptation to look away from our divinity, to embrace our fallibility, will always be strong. -30- February 13, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the IN THE WILDERNESS archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/wilderness/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Humor: Y-to-K Date Change Project Status Date: 15 Feb 1999 06:57:04 PST Found on another list..... -----Original Message----- >Let's Chat About Y2K - http://www.lifetel.com/y2k2000.htm > >If it were only that simple! > >***** > >>Okak guks, I hope kou enjok this one! >> >>Y-to-K Date Change Project Status >>"Our staff has completed the 18 months of work on time and on budget. We >have gone through every line of code in every program in every system. We >have analyzed all databases, all data files, including backups and historic >archives, and modified all data to reflect the change. We are proud to >report that we have completed the "Y-to-K" date change mission, and have now >implemented all changes to all programs and all data to reflect your new >standards: >>Januark, Februark, March, April, Mak, June, Julk, August, September, >October, November, December >> >>As well as: >>Sundak, Mondak, Tuesdak, Wednesdak Thursdak, Fridak, Saturdak >> >>I trust that this is satisfactory, because to be honest, none of this Y to >K problem has made any sense to me. But I understand it is a global problem, >and our team is glad to help in any way possible. And what does the year >2000 have to do with it? Speaking of which, what do you think we ought to >do next year when the two digit year rolls over from 99 to 00? >> >>We'll await your direction." > >Shirley >****** >Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the hills of Kentucky >ICQ #26952217 >thehavens@highland.net >http://www.thehavens.com/ >606-376-3363 -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: unity (fwd) Date: 15 Feb 1999 14:33:24 PST On Feb 15, Walter L Myers wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Dear friends, associates and activists: The following was a reply to an e-mail I received this AM. I thought you might find it of interest as well. Best wishes: Walt Myers Dear ________ We in the CNC are in general agreement with all that Col. Roberts advocates. This isn't to imply that we think he has all the answers but he certainly has some. But then, we also believe many others, including the single issue organizations focusing on a symptom of our problem, are also a part its solution. Our biggest concern is the Constitutionist movement's lack of unity. With all do respect to Col. Roberts, to David Horton and to all CRC members, I suggest that the history of the CRC and the Constitutionists' movement is clear; the "go it alone" approach ignoring the benefits of unified action has failed. Thousands of organizations going in hundreds of different directions at any given point in time hasn't provided the answer. Hopefully, unity of spirit and action will IF A WAY IS FOUND TO ACHIEVE IT! If unity is to be realized, we in the CNC think it will come via a carefully and jointly devised plan that will incorporate many essential items; not the least of which are these. 1. It will provide a mechanism that will insure every voice sharing a carefully defined goal can be heard. 2. It will insure every individual and organization retains their independence to pursue their special interests while working with others on items of mutual interest. 3. It will include a provisions that will facilitate the networking of individuals and organizations from the local level on up and which will insure that each of them have a voice and are kept aware of others current activities so they can be mutually supportive on those of mutual interest. Upon entering the movement in the early 80's, I joined many organizations (including the CRC) and began looking for what I perceived to be a comprehensive plan having the potential to solve our problem if it were supported. I found none. Ergo, the Constitution day (9-17-93) conference which resulted in the CNC. Though the CRC was invited to the conference, it, like many other organizations which were invited and are named in my book, chose not to attend. I don't know if it's because these groups are motivated by egos or money or are supporting the enemy camp by helping to keep people divided. I only know they've shown no interest in helping to develop a comprehensive and mutually acceptable plan dedicated to "returning government to within the limits prescribed by the Constitution" through UNITY of spirit and action. Most organizations have a plan saying COME JOIN US. And if everyone would join a given group, their plan might work IF they correctly identify the problem we must solve and IF they chose the proper goal. But unfortunately, this hasn't happened and I suggest it won't happen. People should - and thanfully do - show loyalty and allegiance to organizations working on their "pet peeve." So again, if unity is to be realized, we believe it will be through members of many groups networking with one another. In doing so, they will give strength to one another. It's one of several reasons that the CNC is a membership by invitation only organization. We want to work with all who share our concerns and goal. This would be impossible if we were trying to proselytize their members. We've proposed the networking be through small teams at the local level who are committed to Taking America Back to lawful government (TAB teams). When tied together via an acceptable structure and networked via an efficient and effective system of communication, these local TAB teams will become an undeniable political force. It is our prayer that others will critic the plan we have proposed and offer constructive comments for unless and until "we the concerned" zero in on a plan and begin to work together in implementing it, I suggest we will continue to lose ground. I'll sign off by saying the CNC believes that the three most important items to be agreed upon if a team capable of Taking America Back is to evolve are: 1. agreement on a set of premises. 2. agreement on a definition of the problem we must solve. 3 agreement on a clear goal. Those proposed by the CNC can be found at www.idir.net/~cnc/ I ask that you review them and if you feel they can be improved upon, please provide your suggested changes in writing. Sincerely, Walt Myers PS - If you go to our web site, please be sure to study EO 13107 which I believe is - if accepted as law - the legislation that will usher in Global governance throughout America. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Owen Wister on equality (fwd) Date: 16 Feb 1999 02:11:48 PST On Feb 15, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] =================================== >From THE VIRGINIAN by Owen Wister (1902) from Chapter XII: Quality and Equality "All men are born equal," he now remarked slowly. "Yes," she quickly answered, with a combative flash. "Well?" "Maybe that don't include women?" he suggested. "I think it does." "Do yu' tell the kids so?" "Of course I teach them what I believe!" He pondered. "I used to have to learn about the Declaration of Independence. I hated books and truck when I was a kid." "But you don't any more." "No. I cert'nly don't. But I used to get kep' in at recess for bein' so dumb. I was most always at the tail end of the class. My brother, he'd be head sometimes." "Little George Taylor is my prize scholar," said Molly. "Knows his tasks, does he?" "Always. And Henry Dow comes next." "Who's last?" "Poor Bob Carmody. I spend more time on him than on all the rest put together." "My!" said the Virginian. "Ain't that strange!" She looked at him, puzzled by his tone. "It's not strange when you know Bob," she said. "It's very strange," drawled the Virginian. "Knowin' Bob don't help it any." "I don't think that I understand you," said Molly, stiffly. "Well it *is* mighty confusin'. George Taylor, he's your best scholar, and poor Bob, he's your worst, and there's a lot in the middle -- and you tell me we're all born equal!" Molly could only sit giggling in this trap he had so ingeniously laid for her. "I'll tell you what," pursued the cow-puncher, with slow and growing intensity, "equality is a great big bluff. It's easy called." "I didn't mean---" began Molly. "Wait, and let me say what I mean." He had made an imperious gesture with his hand. "I know a man that mostly wins at c'yards. I know a man that mostly loses. He says it is his luck. All right. Call it his luck. I know a man that works hard and he's gettin' rich, and I know another that works hard and is gettin' poor. He says it is his luck. All right. Call it his luck. I look around and I see folks movin' up or movin' down, winners or losers everywhere. All luck, of course. But since folks can be born that different in their luck, where's your equality? No, seh! call your failure luck, or call it laziness, wander around the words, prospect all yu' mind to, and yu'll come out the same old trail of inequality." He paused a moment and looked at her. "Some holds four aces," he went on, "and some holds nothin', and some poor fello' gets the aces and no show to play 'em; but a man has got to prove himself my equal before I'll believe him." =================================== from Chapter XIII: The Game and the Nation - Act First There can be no doubt of this: All America is divided into two classes -- the quality and the equality. The latter will always recognize the former when mistaken for it. Both will be with us until our women bear nothing but kings. It was through the Declaration of Independence that we Americans acknowledged the *eternal inequality* of man. For by it we abolished a cut-and-dried aristocracy. We had seen little men artificially held up in high places, and great men artificially held down in low places, and our own justice-loving hearts abhorred this violence to human nature. Therefore, we decreed that every man should thenceforth have equal liberty to find his own level. By this very decree we acknowledged and gave freedom to true aristocracy, saying, "Let the best man win, whoever he is." Let the best man win! That is America's word. =================================== Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ "There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, as an error which proceedeth from the ruler." Ecclesiastes 10:5 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Subject: [Fwd: FW: Editorial] Date: 18 Feb 1999 10:08:22 -0800 My son sent me this one. Thought ROC-ers might appreciate it. Regards, Skip. > > * A well worded Marine reply to a San Diego editorial on noise > * complaints... > * > * San Diego Union Tribune > * February 8, 1999 > * > * Re: "Is harassment of resident the role of the military? > * (Letters, Feb > > 4): > * Responding to Maura Harvey's letter wondering if the > * Marine helicopter training flights that passed above > * her Del Mar home were simply to harass residents, I can > * say that, yes, our mission is to harass residents, > * specifically Mrs. Harvey. > * > * We do not train 24 hours a day, seven days a week to > * provide freedom and security to all residents of the > * United States. We exist only to annoy the very people > * we are sworn to protect, against all enemies, foreign > * and domestic. We spend months and years overseas, away > * from our families and loved ones, in some cases making > * less than minimum wage, choosing to live a life in > * which many qualify for food stamps, just to have the > * chance, one day, to annoy people like Mrs. Harvey. > * There is no more sought-after position in the military > * than the Maura Harvey Annoyance Task Force. As a matter > * of fact, the Marines who spent Christmas dug into > * fighting positions in northern Kuwait and their > * brothers in the sky, braving anti-aircraft missiles > * and artillery, were just training to come back to the > * States and fly missions over Mrs. Harvey's house. It > * has nothing to do with the security of the nation. It > * has no impact on our ability to carry out missions in > * Africa, the Middle East and Eastern Europe, and it > * has no bearing on Mrs. Harvey's ability to enjoy > * "nature and peaceful, quiet living." The "strange, > * almost science fiction war scene" she described was > * put on solely to make noise and to destroy her "scenic > * view corridors" in Del Mar Terrace. > * > * It certainly was not valuable and necessary training > * to help sustain the lives of those who ensure this > * nation's freedom, should they ever be sent into > * harm's way to do just that. Next time, Mrs. Harvey > * may want to look upon those loud machines and think > * about the men and women, who fly, ride in, and > * maintain them. Ponder the sacrifices they make in > * providing this nation with the warm blanket of > * freedom we all enjoy. Maybe she might even imagine > * how much more disturbing it would be if she were > * not sure what country the helicopters were from, > * or whether they were going to attack her beautiful > * neighborhood. But she shouldn't worry too much > * about that, because we will not let it happen. > * > * Capt. JOHN F. PETERSON, USMC > * Pacific Beach > * > * > * - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: The real cost of government, gasoline is 35 cents Date: 18 Feb 1999 13:17:26 -0600 (CST) I am getting quotes for un-leaded gasoline 6000 gallons While we are all loving prices at the pump of 85 cents guess what the real price is wholesale? Old enough to remember 35 cent gas or less? Well we have it today, the rest of the price is state and federal taxes. .3435 price per gallon .20 state of Texas tax .18 federal tax - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Subject: Re: The real cost of government, gasoline is 35 cents Date: 18 Feb 1999 13:42:37 -0800 Paul M Watson wrote: > I am getting quotes for un-leaded gasoline 6000 gallons > While we are all loving prices at the pump of 85 cents guess what the real > price is wholesale? > > Old enough to remember 35 cent gas or less? Well we have it today, the > rest of the price is state and federal taxes. > > .3435 price per gallon > .20 state of Texas tax > .18 federal tax > > - And most of those tax dollars required by law to go into state and federal highway trust funds to build and maintain infrastructure. Only one problem. Those "trust funds", like the Social Security "trust fund" exists only on paper. The money has been spent on social programs and the "trust funds" contain only IOUs. IOUs can be spent on transportation infrastructure. It takes real money, which has to come out of new tax revenues to repay the IOUs. And since the gas tax burden is "per gallon", it doesn't make any difference whether the wholesale gas price is today's $.35 or last year's $.68, we provide the same tax revenues for politicians to spend on social programs and lie to us about. Skip. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Subject: Re: The real cost of government, gasoline is 35 cents Date: 18 Feb 1999 13:42:37 -0800 Paul M Watson wrote: > I am getting quotes for un-leaded gasoline 6000 gallons > While we are all loving prices at the pump of 85 cents guess what the real > price is wholesale? > > Old enough to remember 35 cent gas or less? Well we have it today, the > rest of the price is state and federal taxes. > > .3435 price per gallon > .20 state of Texas tax > .18 federal tax > > - And most of those tax dollars required by law to go into state and federal highway trust funds to build and maintain infrastructure. Only one problem. Those "trust funds", like the Social Security "trust fund" exists only on paper. The money has been spent on social programs and the "trust funds" contain only IOUs. IOUs can be spent on transportation infrastructure. It takes real money, which has to come out of new tax revenues to repay the IOUs. And since the gas tax burden is "per gallon", it doesn't make any difference whether the wholesale gas price is today's $.35 or last year's $.68, we provide the same tax revenues for politicians to spend on social programs and lie to us about. Skip. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: http:--www.cnn.com-ALLPOLITICS-stories-1999-02-18-war.ap- (fwd) Date: 18 Feb 1999 16:03:14 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- CNN/AllPolitics - Storypage, with TIME and Congressional Quarterly Analysis: New battle over who can wage war -- Congress or Clinton? By WALTER R. MEARS AP Special Correspondent February 18, 1999 Web posted at: 9:47 a.m. EST (1447 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- When the United States sent a peacekeeping force to Bosnia, the House and Senate grudgingly agreed in a resolution pointedly calling it President Clinton's commitment, not theirs. That line may be drawn again should Clinton send troops to Kosovo. It is part of the unending strain between the White House and Congress over war-making, or war-risking, powers. This one isn't partisan, it is institutional. The Kosovo mission is on hold at the moment, contingent on a peace deal that would be backed by a NATO force Serbs are resisting. There is a Saturday noon deadline for them to accept or face NATO air strikes. But the debate about the U.S. role didn't wait. Nor did Clinton, who said in a radio address on Saturday that he is prepared to send nearly 4,000 American troops to join about 24,000 from other NATO nations to enforce peace between Serbs and ethnic Albanians. "Now, a final decision on troops, which I will make in close consultation with Congress, will depend upon the parties reaching a strong peace agreement," Clinton said. But any consultations will be on a commitment that already has been made. Clinton said he believes that with an agreement, there should be an American role. And while promising to work with Congress on it, the administration isn't seeking authority to send forces. Like his White House predecessors, Clinton maintains that power is inherent in his office. George Bush narrowly won congressional approval for the Persian Gulf War against Iraq just before it began, and said he welcomed the expression of support although he didn't need it to act. "This administration, like previous administrations, takes the view that the president has broad authority as commander in chief, and under his authority to conduct foreign relations, to authorize the use of force in the national interest," Undersecretary of State Thomas Pickering told the House International Relations Committee a week ago. He cited as precedents the operations ordered by Republican presidents without action by Congress. "Previous constitutional violations do not justify subsequent ones," replied Republican Rep. Tom Campbell of California. While that has been argued since the end of World War II, the decisions have been made by presidents, sometimes with use of force resolutions approved by Congress, more often, without. Congress tried to change the balance 25 years ago with the War Powers Act, seeking to require congressional approval to keep U.S. forces in danger spots abroad. That hasn't worked; presidents can simply certify that the operations they order don't trigger its terms. Clinton advised congressional leaders, but did not seek consent, in ordering U.S. air strikes against Iraq on Dec. 17, the day the House was to have started debating his impeachment, which was voted two days later. Nor was there prior approval of an earlier peacekeeping mission to the Balkans, in late 1995. That was to enforce the U.S.-brokered peace settlement of ethnic wars in Bosnia, and at one point involved 22,500 Americans. There are still about 6,700 U.S. troops there. Ten days after Clinton approved the operation, Congress adopted a resolution agreeing to it, "notwithstanding reservations" about his decision. The resolution, which wasn't binding, said "the president may only fulfill his commitment" for about a year, the duration he'd set but could not keep. "We really learned a lesson in Bosnia that setting an artificial deadline doesn't work," Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said. There would be no deadline on a peacekeeping mission to Kosovo, she added. Republicans who argue that Clinton's foreign policy credibility was shaken by the impeachment charges despite his Senate acquittal say the long-missed Bosnia deadline adds to their mistrust. "We knew that wasn't quite as honest as it needed to be," said Sen. Don Nickles, the Republican whip. "And so that is affecting right now his request for troops into Kosovo." But it isn't a request. The next step is contingent on a peace deal for Kosovo, not permission from Congress. "I look forward to working with Congress in making this final decision," Clinton said. But he would make it, and he's already said what it would be. ------ EDITOR'S NOTE -- Walter R. Mears, vice president and special correspondent for The Associated Press, has reported on Washington and national politics for more than 30 years. For continuous breaking news, see AP Newstream Associated Press news material shall not be published, broadcast, rewritten for broadcast or publication or redistributed directly or indirectly in any medium. _________________________________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Will America go through another Revolution? (fwd) Date: 19 Feb 1999 03:16:54 PST On Feb 19, Omegamarc@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Patriots of the First Kind Gary Hunt, Outpost of Freedom February 18, 1999 I had the opportunity, recently, to sit and talk with a fellow I had first met a few years ago. I had met him during my travels around the country. He called, out of the blue, just the other day - concerned over the rumors that I was videoed in Oklahoma City, shortly after the bombing. He said that he and Jack McLamb had viewed the video footage and discussed the picture and their knowledge of me - and had determined that I could not have been the one in the pictures. As always, I welcome truth, and was relieved to find others had concluded it was not, could not be me. Our conversation, however, led into that realm that comes so frequently to the front. Brian showed me a picture of a FBI agent's picture from Waco. I had seen the picture before Ron Cole had sent it to me, along with a picture of Timothy McVeigh. Speculation that the man was McVeigh, or that McVeigh was the agent, ran through the community back in mid 1995. I pointed out to Brian what I had shown Ron. McVeigh's nose turns slightly downward, unlike the other picture, and the ears were completely different. This demonstrates, however, that the desire to 'create' a sinister tie can, sometimes, override the obvious. The conversation continued into a realm just recently discussed on the list - that of whether it is proper to 'violate' simple rules, burdening the court; to politic for change; and, the inevitable, is it time to do what is necessary to effect change. Over the years, every since standing on the balcony of the New Road Inn, on April 19, 1993, I have been of one mind. In the subsequent two years, as I traveled the country, the most often spoken solution was to 'take on' the government, and restore what is, was our birthright. The creative minds of the patriot toiled for the means to activate what would become the Second American Revolution - until one early April morning, just two years after the fateful events at Waco. Suddenly, the backs of the patriots were turned to the reality that they had been so actively pursuing. The reality of blood and death, though this time the blood and death of the enemy, repulsed the many who had claimed that they SHOULD have gone to Waco to protect the innocent. In the meantime, a fellow who had been sitting, alone, in the restaurant, eating his sandwich and awaiting a friend, since before either Brian or I had arrived, ventured over to our table to query whether we were talking about the government conspiracy to take our rights away. We joined him in conversation for, perhaps, fifteen minutes, until his sweetheart arrived, and they left, hand in hand. What came of our discussion, however, still lingers. The man had been concerned about what happened to the Branch Davidians, the Weavers and others who have been so maliciously affected by the actions of government. He was willing to do anything, say anything - to do whatever was necessary to effect the change we all desire - until I suggested that Tim McVeigh had the right idea. His defense, then, of non-violence became almost humorous. At the same time, they struck a nerve in me, since I have seen so many imprisoned for their peaceful efforts to effect change. As I pondered these circumstances, over the next few days, my mind revisited the past few years and the apathy that was a consequence of the Oklahoma City Bombing. Now, when I say 'apathy, I don't mean the mental activity that has been invested in attempting to find a means, nor the energy expired in attempting to disprove the obvious about McVeigh. I mean the apathy from, or towards reality. Through history, effective change has never come without great cost. As Thomas Paine explained to us, some two hundred twenty-three years ago, "Tis dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated." Though I try to put my sentiments into words, I keep going back to the best-laid explanation of the reality that I have yet run across. Washington was encamped at Fort Lee. It was the winter of 1776-77, and Thomas Paine, a foreigner, had joined the American forces to fight for Freedom, Liberty and self-government. There is little doubt that he was directing his message to the patriots of the second kind, those who had still sought lip service as the means, when he said: "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it NOW, deserves the love and thanks of man and women. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly -- Tis dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated." I suppose that time matures all true Patriots, eventually, into Patriots of the First Kind. Those who have come to the reality that it is not for our sake that we take the task; rather, it is for the sake of our posterity. Those who have borne children, and who have decided that, whatever the cost, their children will not grow up to become 'subjects' of the government, rather, men of free will and destiny, who mature into the latter. Like those who provided a constant flow of articulated gestures, intending, then, to create what has become our destiny, now, there are those who will do little more than posture toward that same end. On the other hand, there were those, then, who accepted the reality that if their goal was to be achieved, the price would, indeed, be very dear. Likewise, there are those, today, who know that the means is within their grasp. It is time for the manifestation our Thomas Paine's words, and our Heritage, to move those who believe - to action. It is only among these Patriots of the First Kind that I can feel honored by their presence. -- Gary Hunt, Outpost of Freedom http:www.illusions.com/opf [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Polio Vaccine and Cancer (fwd) Date: 19 Feb 1999 16:27:12 -0600 (CST) > >From: Patricia Hittner >Subject: Polio Vaccine and Cancer >To: AUTISM@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU > >This was sent to me by a concerned parent. > >Patricia > > >Polio Shots in '50s, '60s are linked to cancer Tainted vaccine given to >millions >Source: Washington Times February 17, 1999 >By Robert Matthews London Sunday Telegraph > >LONDON - The mass vaccination campaigns of the 1950s and 1960s may be >causing hundreds of deaths a year because of a cancer-causing virus that >contaminated the first polio vaccines, according to scientists. Known >as SV40, the virus came from dead monkeys whose kidney cells were used >to culture the first Salk vaccines. > >Doctors estimate that the virus was injected into tens of millions >during mass vaccination campaigns before being detected and screened out >in 1963. Those born between 1941 and 1961 are thought to be most at >risk of having been infected. Now a new study of the effects of SV40 >points to disturbing evidence that the monkey virus causes a number of >human cancers. It concludes that there is "compelling" evidence linking >SV40 to mesothelioma, a once-rare type of lung cancer whose prevalence >is rapidly increasing. > >Dr. Janet Butel of the Baylor College of Medicine in Waco, Texas, the >lead author of the study, said in an interview: "I feel strongly that >research is warranted to determine how common human infections by SV40 >may be, and what factors might predispose individuals to SV40-related >tumors." Her study, published in the Journal of the National Cancer >Institute, also suggested that the monkey virus may be passing from >those given the contaminated vaccine to their children, spreading the >cancer risk still further. > >Blood samples analyzed by Dr Butel and her colleagues point to the >steady spread of the cancer causing virus in the human population, with >10 percent of those never exposed directly to the contaminate vaccine >testing positive for SV40. Dr. Butel said : "I believe SV40 is present >in the human population today and is being spread among >individuals by an unknown route." > >The Sunday Telegraph has learned that scientists in Britain have joined >an international effort to confirm the findings. According to Gordon >McVie, the director general of the Cancer Research Campaign in Britain, >researchers have thus far uncovered evidence linking SV40 to a number of >cancers, including brain tumors and bone cancer. "I've a feeling that >the virus might be implicated in more such as non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and >prostate cancer.' he said. > >The study is also likely to prompt a radical re-evaluation by doctors of >what happened 40 years ago, during the early days of polio vaccination. >Until now, SV0 was regarded as harmless, with no evidence of long-term >health effects emerging in follow up studies of those vaccinated. Now it >appears that these studies may not have been conducted over a long >enough period. New highly sensitive laboratory tests have disclosed the >presence of SV40 in many different types of human tumor. > >The most startling results center on mesotheliomas , until recently >linked primarily with asbestos. Studies have found that around 70 >percent of mesothelioma cases test positive for SV40 virus. Over the >past 30 years the number of mesothelioma cases has risen 10-fold, to >about 1,000 cases a year, and is forecast to reach 4,000 early next >century. Until now the increase was blamed on the asbestos industry. > >But the new findings are leading scientists to suspect that SV40 may >account for a substantial number of mesothelliomas. Dr Butel said : >"The consistent association of SV40 with that tumor is compelling." Some >scientists remain skeptical of the link however, Robin Weiss, a >professor of viral oncology at University College in London said that >SV40 is widely used in laboratories and could easily contaminate tumor >samples, fooling the ultrasensitive tests used to detect the virus. > >Dr. Weiss said "Many of the positive results are probably false >positives. We've looked at mesothelioma and did find it in some cases, >but then we got bogged down in whether they were due to contamination or >not." However, Dr Bjarat Jasani, a teaching expert on SV40 and >mesotheliomas at the University of Wales College of Medicine in Cerdiff, >said that new reliability tests rule out contamination as a possible >explanation. Dr. Jasani said he had little doubt that the mass polio >vaccination campaigns were to blame >for SV40 entering the human population. He added, however, that this >could bring a new hope to hundreds of cancer patients as it suggests >that many might be treated by a vaccine that attacked SV40. > >*************************************************************** >Karin Schumacher >Vaccine Information & Awareness (VIA) >12799 La Tortola >San Diego, CA 92129 >619-484-3197 (phone/voicemail) >619-484-1187 (fax) >via@access1.net (email) >http://www.909shot.com (NVIC website) >http://www.access1.net/via (VIA website) >*************************************************************** >We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice >*************************************************************** >Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical >OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you >implement that decision is yours and yours alone. >*************************************************************** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: This is it - a clear *proven* pro-RKBA Presidential Candidate! (fwd) Date: 19 Feb 1999 14:32:46 PST On Feb 19, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Ladies and Gentlemen of the RKBA, Our opportunity to put a Pro-RKBA Candidate in the White House! We are angered by Leftists attacking our Right to Arms, and particularly incensed by 'turncoat' Republicans who suddenly turn on us and vote with the enemy. Well here it is... the opportunity to put in a PROVEN Pro-RKBA candidate into the White House! This is how it is done. Find the right candidate and then put *them* into office. Far too often we sit passively and hope that whichever candidate emerges will support our pleas for assistance. As a result, we are saddled with the likes of Dole, Bush, Warner and Kasich, who all too often fail us. You will recall Sen. Bob Smith of New Hampshire valiantly fought and won for us 69 out of a 100 Senate votes to place his amendment into Brady II that would have forbidden an FBI registration tax, forbidden gunowner registration, and best of all, afforded standing to sue against any public official who disobeyed it's prohibitions. Smith did so (if I recall correctly) against NRA and GOP urging. He did this on his own and performed magnificently, only to have his Amendment and our Rights, killed in Gingrich's committee. I urge your support for Senator Smith. Deeds -- not empty words -- have proven him worthy of our support. Now our task is to get the 70 million American Gunowners registered and voting for this man! In Liberty, Rick V. jurist@attymail.com Reuters [OL] Friday, February 19, 1999 12:24AM WOLFEBORO, N.H. (Reuters) via NewsEdge Corporation - Speaking at the high school where he once taught, conservative New Hampshire Sen. Bob Smith Thursday announced his candidacy for the 2000 Republican presidential nomination. http://companies.newspage.com/item.cfm/c0219002.500?heads=yes Letter from GOA http://www.gunowners.org/bilet.htm The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental* Human Right - RKBA * Rights, when Fundamental, are subjected to "strict scrutiny" Supreme Court review, and are almosts always struck down under that standard. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Subject: Re: This is it - a clear *proven* pro-RKBA Presidential Candidate! (fwd) Date: 19 Feb 1999 16:41:07 -0800 Bill Vance wrote: > On Feb 19, Jurist wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > > Ladies and Gentlemen of the RKBA, > > Our opportunity to put a Pro-RKBA Candidate in the White House! > > [snip, snip] > > I urge your support for Senator Smith. Deeds -- not empty words -- have > proven him worthy of our support. Now our task is to get the 70 million > American Gunowners registered and voting for this man! > > In Liberty, > > Rick V. > jurist@attymail.com > Rick, Do you know of any other stands on issues to recommend Smith to conservatives, Repubs and the Independent majority, or are you asking us to support him for his appealing RKBA stand alone? Your single- issue endorsement didn't elaborate. The single-issue road is far more likely to lead to wasted resources and humiliating defeat than to the White House. Skip. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: SLICK: Petition No ---"Know Your Customer" Banking Regulation (fwd) Date: 22 Feb 1999 03:23:30 PST On Feb 22, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] In a message dated 99-02-21 16:48:03 EST, you write: << Date: 99-02-21 16:48:03 EST From: SanityMad BCC: RichSlick Please assiSt in this Internet campaign to stop a regulation which would require your bank to spy on you, and I'd like to invite you to join me. We now have less than 20 days to contact the FDIC and demand that it kill its proposed "Know Your Customer" rule. Please forward this message to any friends, family, co-workers, neighbors, or other people you know who may be interested, then go to http://www.defendyourprivacy.com and sign the petition. It will be submitted directly to the FDIC. Plus, a copy will be sent to your representative in the U.S. House and to both your U.S. Senators. >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: JUST DO IT! (fwd) Date: 22 Feb 1999 13:43:00 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hi -- I'm taking a moment out of a very busy schedule to ask you to go to the following web site: http://www.DefendYourPrivacy.com/ ... and participate in the commentary going on there. As you may know, the government wants to turn the country's banks and credit unions into spies, informing them about every transaction they regard as "too large" or "unusual". The excuse, of course, is the illegal and irrational War on Drugs. An early version of this proposal would eventually have outlawed any cash transaction larger than $100. I'm sure if they get away with what they want now, we'll be hearing about the $100 deal again. When I offered my comment, I observed that there isn't much bank privacy now, and that this idea takes things in the wrong direction. I proposed that the kind of relationship should exist between you and your bank that supposedly exists between you and your lawyer, clergyman, or doctor. I also proposed the abolition of all the agencies supporting this nonsense. I urge you to go back me up, or propose your own notions. Give 'em hell! Neil -- ====================================================================== L. Neil Smith is the award-winning author of _THE PROBABILITY BROACH_, _PALLAS_, _HENRY MARTYN_, _BRETTA MARTYN_, _THE MITZVAH_ (forthcoming, with Aaron Zelman), and 15 other novels. Order them from Amazon.com via or from Laissez Faire Books at or just call Laissez Faire toll free, 1-800-326-0996. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: Vote for Reagan! (fwd) Date: 22 Feb 1999 16:48:56 PST On Feb 22, David Sagers wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] It's come to our attention that President Ronald Reagan is running behind in votes in a CNN Poll. Please take time to vote! Vote for the most influential President of the 20th Century. Currently, Reagan is running second to FDR, we must do all we can to correct this! http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/2K/virtual/poll.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Suited Barbarians (fwd) Date: 23 Feb 1999 22:16:29 PST On Feb 23, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] So tell me again which country is Oz? Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Given a choice, I'd rather be undergoverned. -----Original Message----- US Report, Telling it like it is -- The New Australian By James Henry No. 108, 21-27 February 1999 In my article column Clinton and Machiavelli's Prince* (No. 106, 8-14 February) I thought I had made it clear that Clinton was not in himself the real menace to the Republic and why there is no danger of him becoming our first dictator. He is certainly ruthless and ambitious enough for the role, but lacks the necessaries qualities and, above all, the right social and political environment. I pointed out that it is not the Constitution that defends our lives and liberty but our faith in the Constitution. This is something the Founding Fathers fully understood and that is why they built checks and balances into our system of government. They were astute observers of of human nature as well as keen students of history. They knew how people can be deceived or moved by the passions of the moment. But more than anything else, they understood how seductive power can be and the attraction it holds for the worst of men and women. There are only two ways in which a people lose their liberty: from within or from without. The threat to American liberty will not spring from militant Chinese nationalism or a resurgent Russia 97 it will come from a gradual loss of faith in liberty as Americans succumb to the blandishments of the state and sink into moral degradation. The latter does not mean Roman-like orgies or taking delight in gladiatorial contests. It does mean abandoning basic moral values and severing one's ties from tradition. This process can only leave a society morally adrift, subject to philosophical absurdities such as relativism, which invariably degenerates into nihilism. When this begins to happen people at first lose their moral courage; fearing ridicule and being portrayed as ignorant they allow the sophistries and outright lies of the emerging orthodoxy to go unchecked; eventually, their own lack of moral courage is transformed into a lack of moral conviction and they lose their capacity to make moral judgements. This opens the door to despotic government. We have not reached the final stage of moral collapse. Most people still see Clinton for the creature he really is. Yet a great many people were either unable or feared to make the final moral judgement. Is this because they accepted the dominant intellectual belief that moral judgements are expressions of intolerance (except when made by left-wing intellectuals) or is it because they are now incapable of making moral judgements? Or is it because they fear ridicule? I just do not know. But I do know that when moral values collapse barbarism moves in. Totalitarian ideologies have been the curse of the twentieth century. The havoc they wreaked and their death toll vastly exceeds anything caused by all of history's other barbarians. The Nazis were this century's barbarians par excellence, not because of the numbers they murdered (communist states murdered vastly more people) but because they epitomised modern barbarism. Men who could casually murder men, women and children and then go home and cuddle their children, listen to Bach, play Mozart, read Goethe or discuss nineteenth century art. Barbarians in neatly tailored uniforms and highly polished boots. Barbarians wearing glasses, smoking pipes and with leather patches on the elbows of their jackets lecturing students on National Socialism and Aryan superiority. Barbarians in silk shirts and ties and oozing smarmy charm, exhibiting impeccable manners and convincing English aristocrats and naive politicians that their intentions were honorable and their ambitions limited 97 and all the while their thugs swaggered through the nation's streets. What made this possible was, in a nutshell, Germany's moral collapse. A country noted for its high culture, universities and high level of education was turned virtually overnight into a nation of suited barbarians. Nothing so dramatic or murderous is going to happen in America. No, it will strike us like a cancer that if left unchecked becomes terminal. Are we seeing the signs? Perhaps. The first target of any totalitarian movement is the media, including film studios. Unlike the Nazis or communists, America's totalitarian Left has not had to capture government to control the means of communications, it has virtually done that already. It also controls nearly all of the country's humanities departments. From these it has poured out thousands of left-wing graduates who go into law, journalism, teaching, entertainment 97 even advertising. The mainstream media's uniform defence of Clinton and the savagery of its ideological assault on his critics and victims clearly demonstrates who is really in control. These journalists are just some of Clinton's suited barbarians. For them there is no truth, only a cause and a pathological hatred of conservatism. True, the barbarians' control of the media is not complete, but it doesn't have to be. It only needs to be effective. There is no doubt that our leftist dominated media has had a pernicious effect on public opinion. I recall how William Shirer described that while living in Nazi Germany even he had been misled by "a steady diet over the years of falsifications and distortions" (The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich) despite his ready access to foreign sources of information, especially British and American. Then, of course, we have the Hollywood network. Its support for left-wing causes is as legendary as its scorn for conservative values. Not content with publicly cheering Clinton on, it has joined his smear squad with NBC productions Law & Order and Homicide being used to libel Ken Starr and belittle the accusations against Clinton. Do these actors, producers and directors have any shame or any common decency? Of course not. This piece of lying pro-Clinton propaganda is all in the cause. (But it sometimes makes me wonder who will be the Hollywood Leni Riefenstahl). So is Hollywood dominated by suited barbarians? I think so. Just recall Alec Baldwin's antics. This now leaves us with the universities. The extent of open support for Clinton in academia, mainly the humanities, has shaken quite a few people. It shouldn't have. Twentieth century academics in general have not really been noted for their devotion to democracy. German universities were so ideologically corrupt by 1933 that the great majority of those holding university chairs had already joined the Nazi Party along with thousands of other academics. The recent outbreak of academic support for Clinton suggests that the mentality many of our academics is not much better than that of those German academics of the '20s and '30s. Once again demonstrating besuited barbarism was not just a German phenomenon, especially when one considers how many American academics supported Marxist regimes that murdered scores of millions of their own citizens. The one thing people must learn is that they are not facing a political party or a conspiracy. What they are facing is the deadliest of all political movements. The type that spontaneously emerges overtime, gradually spreading, like a plague, through civic society and the body politic. What members of this movement share is a common ideology and that is why they seem to act as if they are being directed. People who share the same ideas tend to react the same way. Therefore the movement has no head and no plan, just a self-organising network. This is much easier to understand if you think of the ideology as a plague and the ideologues as carriers. Hillary Clinton is one such carrier while Bill is basically a political parasite. If this political plague is not stopped, and it can be stopped, it will eventually kill off American democracy. The first step in defeating this movement is to understand what it is. Fortunately, its nature is well understood in many quarters. The really good news is, it cannot withstand the antidote 97 and that is honest and open debate. Without a doubt, the Net will play a vital role in defeating this totalitarian disease, as Matt Drudge has already shown. I firmly believe that the good news will get even better. *Clinton and Machiavelli's Prince The New Australian [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: 2nd UN Small Arms Regulatory/Seizure/Destruction Conference (fwd) Date: 23 Feb 1999 22:17:12 PST On Feb 23, Mike Riddle wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://www.ssaa.org.au/undc2627.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: FCC / Long Distance (fwd) Date: 24 Feb 1999 17:24:48 PST On Feb 24, Terry A. Hurlbut, III, MD wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] At 10:46 PM 2/23/1999 -0800, you wrote: > >>Ed, I hate ta tell ya, but... >> >>Whaddya expect the FCC to say? >> >>Don't believe me? Follow this link: >> >>http://www.heritage.org/ >> >>and ask them. >> >> >>Terry A. Hurlbut, III, MD > >Hi, > >How do we know that the Heritage Foundation wasn't taken in by the hoax >too? I have heard this story and heard this story since I've been on the >Net...for about three years now. It has always been "urgent". The vote >was always going to be "very soon". Yet, three years later, the *same* >e-mail is being sent. Truly...every single word! > >While it may be possible that this is true (or someday will be), I would >more likely suspect the Heritage Foundation was also taken in by the hoax. >The people on the Internet Hoax pages generally do very thorough research. > >Love, > >Tammy S. > <>< Not this time. The Heritage Foundation said nothing about a per-call access charge. Rather, they said that the FCC's E-rate ("the Gore Tax") would be tacked on to your monthly telephone bill, and would amount to five percent of that bill. This, whether you were an Internet user or not. The FCC evidently had hoped the telcos would simply increase their own basic services charges and fold this E-rate into those charges. But a sufficient number of the telcos chose instead to itemize their bills. There was the E-rate, clear as day. All I ask of you is: Follow the Heritage link: http://www.heritage.org/ and read for yourself(ves) the evidence they have. Take that evidence under advisement in deciding whether this is yet another variation on an urban legend--or the real McCoy, and a blatantly unconstitutional attempt by a quasi-legislative agency to lay and collect a tax (technically, an excise). Take this under advisement as well, if you please: Sometimes an urban legend can act as the stalking horse for the real thing. Terry A. Hurlbut, III, MD [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: A REPUBLICAN INVESTMENT STRATEGY (fwd) Date: 25 Feb 1999 01:53:36 PST On Feb 24, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] A recipe for putting prosperity first -- and reaping the cultural dividends later. Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Given a choice, I'd rather be undergoverned. -----Original Message----- Washington Bulletin: National Review's Internet Update for 2/24/99 http://www.nationalreview.com/ by Ramesh Ponnuru and John J. Miller A REPUBLICAN INVESTMENT STRATEGY A year ago, Richard Nadler wrote in our pages ("Stocks Populi," March 9, 1998) about the massive expansion of the stockholding class and about the possible political consequences of that expansion. As the number of Americans involved in capital markets, and the extent of their involvement, increased, he speculated, so would the constituency for free markets. Interestingly, changes in the demographic profile of investors during the '90s mirrored changes in the composition of the Republican electorate. (The puzzling uptick in the Republicans' share of voters over age 60 in the last election, for instance, coincided with the end of the historic pattern in which investors began to draw down their assets around that age.) But it remained frustratingly difficult to determine whether stockholding was an independent variable affecting political behavior or merely a proxy for other factors such as income, race, or sex. There isn't much evidence on the question. But in a forthcoming paper for the Cato Institute, Nadler presents some evidence for the independent-variable thesis. He draws on a January survey of the public by Rasmussen Research that broke down the results among 6,400 respondents to two simple questions-party affiliation and stance on a capital-gains tax cut-not only by race, sex, etc., but by whether the respondent owned more than $5,000 in stocks, bonds, and mutual funds. Unsurprisingly, owning a portfolio increased a person's likelihood of favoring a capital-gains tax cut from 45.9 to 65.7 percent, and increased support was found among 43 of the 44 demographic groups. More strikingly, the likelihood of being a Republican rose from 27.1 to 37.9 percent, and this effect obtained among 42 of the 44 groups. Among married men without portfolios, for instance, the Republican-Democrat breakdown is 31.8 to 33.2 percent; among married men with portfolios, it's 41.3 to 28.6: a 7.1 percent swing to the Republicans. Among people making between $20,000 and $40,000 a year, portfolio ownership made for a 7.8 percent swing in favor of the GOP. Among blacks, there was a 15.1 percent swing. Outreach, anyone? In his NR article, Nadler argued that Republicans' interest probably lay in promoting policies that appealed to the new investors as a constituency and that increased the width and depth of the class. In the same issue, Ramesh Ponnuru used this point as one argument for a Republican tax policy that moved incrementally toward a universal IRA in which people could invest toward homeownership, their children's education, health expenses, and their retirement with no taxes on the accumulating balances. This turns out to be wrong. As Nadler reports in a draft of the Cato paper, Gallup surveyed investor-class preferences on taxes for PaineWebber in April 1997. Investors favored a capital-gains tax cut, of course, with support rising along with portfolio size. President Clinton's tax credit for college was also popular, especially among small investors and young investors. But universal IRAs, with 82 percent support and 10 percent opposition among investors, were more popular than either the capital-gains tax cut or targeted credits with both small and large investors. Incrementalism turns out to be unnecessary; these investors are ready to dispense with intermediate steps like education savings accounts and go for the full-blown policy. If Republicans offer this constituency nothing but opposition to Clinton's USA Accounts, however, they will be throwing away support that should naturally be theirs. A final thought: There have been increasing murmurings on the social Right that maybe all this prosperity isn't such a good thing. Let us only note that much of our current prosperity is bound up with the expansion of the investing class; and that in their economic behavior and their self-reports of their motives for this behavior, these new investors are displaying frugality, a long-term orientation, and a concern for their children and parents. Investors are more likely to be married, homeowners, have a stake in the community, etc. If we still place any value whatsoever on bourgeois virtues, we should be not just exploiting this trend but celebrating it. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Australia: Truth Alone Is Not Enough (TiM GW Bulletin 99/2-7, 2/23/99) (fwd) Date: 25 Feb 1999 07:55:54 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA The Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletin, such as the one enclosed below, can also be accessed at our Web site: www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins99/ NOTE: To cancel the e-mail editions of our reports, just reply REMOVE or UNSUBSCRIBE, followed by your e-mail address. Truth in Media's GLOBAL WATCH Bulletin 99/2-7 24-Feb-99 Topic: AUSTRALIAN AFFAIRS Death of Freedom of Speech in Australia Now a Matter of Fact DYMOCKS: TRUTH ALONE IS NOT ENOUGH! "Red Rupert" Also Assaulted Freedom of Speech - More Than Once PHOENIX, Feb. 23 - In our TiM GW Bulletin 99/2-3 (Feb. 11, 1999), filed from Western Australia, we said: "Writers who told the truth under the oppressive Soviet regime were called dissidents. The West cherished them and toasted them as heroes. Writers who tell the truth nowadays under the oppressive New World Order regimes around the world face the fate worse than death for a writer - silence!" Well, Dymocks, a national book store chain in Australia, has now broken its silence. The Truth in Media has obtained a copy of the Feb. 12, 1999 fax-letter from Keith Perkin, Dymocks' managing director, to Scott Balson, author of the book, 'Murder by Media,' now banished from all Dymocks' stores by a top executive's order. Perkin's letter is a shameful admission of Dymocks' cowardice in the face of the truth, and a sad example of the state of affairs in Australia's media. Here's, for example, what Dymocks' managing director had to say about the rewards of writing the truth these days: "Even if that is in fact the case (that the book contained the truth about the slanderous articles which the establishment 'reporters have written over the last three years'), we have been advised that truth alone is not a defence to defamation actions in Australia." Let us repeat in bold print Dymocks' devastating admission: "Truth alone is not a defence to defamation actions in Australia." Neither it was in the Soviet Union. Nor in Red China. Nor in Nazi Germany. Are those the kinds of societies the contemporary Australia is modeling herself after? Dymocks' ban of a book which told the truth about the corruption and collusion between the establishment media and the establishment parties in Australia, is a case of self-censorship which would make the communist commissars proud. And would make the likes of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, or the former Hong Kong governor, Chris Patten spit nails. Okay, everybody can see why a dissident Russian writer, like Solzhenitsyn, might be upset to see that the contemporary West, which he had sometimes idealized, is not much better than the communist dictatorship against which he had rebelled. But why the former Hong Kong British governor? Because he also happens to have become a writer. After having served as the last British governor of Hong Kong, Patten wrote a book of memoirs which told the truth about Red China, the western New World Order's partner in crime against freedom, as it turns out. In other words, it was critical of the Chinese communist government which western multinationals have showered with over $202 billion in investments during the 1990s. That's about $51 million per head of each Tiananmen Square pro-democracy victim. Well, guess who tried to pull the "Dymocks trick" on Gov. Patten's book back then? None other than Rupert Murdoch, one of the two Australian media moguls whose transgressions and manipulations were detailed in the book "Murder by Media" (the other "mogul" being Kerry Packer, reportedly a chum of Dymocks chairman, John Forsyth). In February 1998, Murdoch ordered Harper Collins, the publishing company he owns, to cancel a scheduled fall publication in Britain of Gov. Patten's memoirs. The reason? Fear that the book would offend the Red Chinese with whom Murdoch's business ventures are happily in bed (e.g., his Star TV satellite service). "I'm extremely angry," Doris Lessing, a British novelist also published by Murdoch's Harper Collins, one of several authors who had threatened to leave this publisher, told London's Daily Telegraph last February. "Rupert Murdoch's attitude is very unprofessional. It is so shocking I can't find words for it." Unlike the Dymocks' executives, however, Gov. Patten was no pushover. He basically told Murdoch to stuff it, sued Harper Collins for a breach of contract, and signed on with MacMillan's, a rival publisher. His book was eventually published last October and sold well, even in Hong Kong. The Patten scandal was not the first time Murdoch, who has major business interests in China, has deferred to Beijing. In 1994, he removed the British Broadcasting Corporation programs from his STAR satellite system's offerings to China, reportedly because the Chinese government was upset by a documentary about Mao, among other things. Patten didn't mince any words about how he felt about this "Red Rupert" move. "'It was 'the most seedy of betrayals' for those who champion freedom of speech in one country 'to curtail it elsewhere for reasons of inevitably short-term commercial expediency'," the New York Times reported on Feb. 28, 1998. Until now, it seems. For, Dymocks' decision to murder the "Murder by Media," maybe even tops "Red Rupert's" spinelessness. Because it happened in Murdoch's native country which ostensibly "champions (the) freedom of speech," according to Patten. So why would a bookseller perform such an unnatural act as to voluntarily deprive itself of a book's sales and profits? "The sole ground of its decision in this case is the possibility that the book is defamatory," wrote Dymocks' Perkin in this Feb. 12 letter. Well, if that's the case and is so obvious to everybody, why then would the bookseller's managing director feel compelled in the next sentence to threaten the book's author with legal action if he continued to tell the truth? (i.e., if Balson makes any statement "which suggests that Dymocks decision resulted in any way from an attempt to censor your book and prevent the views expressed in it from being circulated"). Besides, doesn't Dymocks check out the books before agreeing to sell them? Assuming that it did do so in the case of the "Murder by Media" (which would be normal practice for book distributors), why did Dymocks suddenly get cold feet over the book's allegedly defamatory content only AFTER it had already placed it on its stores' shelves? Could it be that the bookseller is now trying to intimidate the author into silence because it is itself feeling threatened? If so, by whom? Maybe Scott Balson should add a "Murder by Dymocks" chapter, and then take a page out of Gov. Patten's book, and get himself a new book distributor, preferably a direct rival of Dymocks'. Surely Dymocks is not the only book chain in Australia? And even if it were, or even if all other distributors were equally scared from the truth coming out, there is still the amazon.com. No longer just an alternative way to market books, this Internet high flyer is threatening to put the traditional booksellers out of business. Meanwhile, just in case you were tempted to dismiss the above book controversy as some peculiar "Down Under," Australian media censorship quirk, don't! Here's, for example, what the Truth in Media wrote to the Wall Street Journal on Apr. 26, 1998, regarding its duplicitous attitude toward the truth (see www.truthinmedia.org/Activism/wsj4-26-98.html ): "Where was the Wall Street Journal's righteous indignation when one of your media brethren, Rupert Murdoch, ordered Harper Collins last February to cancel a scheduled fall publication in Britain of a memoir by Chris Patten, the last British Governor of Hong Kong, for fear it would offend the same Red Chinese government? Why was the Journal AWOL? Your silence in defense of Murdoch's assault on free speech was deafening." Birds of a feather flock together? You bet! And not just in the establishment media circles. ------------ Meanwhile, there is nothing like controversy to help sell a book, especially one which, now that it has been "banned" by Dymocks, is likely to become a "collectors' item." So here's how you can get your copy of it: The book may be ordered by sending a payment of A$27 or US$25 (which includes airmail postage) to Scott Balson, P.O. Box 11, Mt. Crosby News 4306, Queensland, Australia (E-mail: gwb@gwb.com.au). If you identify yourself as a TiM reader when ordering the book, you will be entitled to a SPECIAL TRUTH IN MEDIA DISCOUNT OF US$5, for a net price of US$20 per book. International inquiries may be directed to Scott Balson by dialing (from the US) 011-61-7-3201-1353; or 011-61-015-477-609 (mobile phone); or by e-mail any time to: gwb@gwb.com.au. ------------ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Schooling..... Date: 25 Feb 1999 17:11:22 PST For those into School Reform/Home Schooling, check out: http://www.sepschool.org Where they ask, "where did you hear about us?", type, "Weissbach", for that extra good deal, don't cha know.....:-) -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: In the Wilderness - 26 Feb 99 (fwd) Date: 26 Feb 1999 03:43:42 PST On Feb 25, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] IN THE WILDERNESS (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ AN AGENDA FOR DOMESTIC FREEDOM Bill Clinton can claim credit for the good economy, and the vast majority of the people can give him that credit -- but no one can alter the fact that a rabbit's foot would be more responsible for it than Clinton is. Certain policies pursued by Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan have certainly contributed to the longevity of these good times, but even if Mr. Greenspan were Merlin reincarnated he could not have made these times this good, even for a minute much less so many years, if the people of America did not spend their time working, investing, and buying things. In fact, if the American people were as dependent on our Feckless Leader as he and his toadies at the Omnibus Broadcasting System (OBS) would have everyone believe, the truth of the matter is that Clinton and Greenspan couldn't have made this prosperity happen if they were God and Jesus. The engine would never have started, let alone revved up to its present sustained pitch. What the conservative movement needs now is to start articulating an agenda aimed at reinforcing prosperity-making behavior and awakening the people to the importance of their own role in the present economy, and in America as a whole. We need candidates who will offer to represent the creators of prosperity *as such,* not as feeders at the government trough. This was the magic of Ronald Reagan's message and appeal: that he made average Americans realize that they are responsible for America's greatness, simply because they make a living, make homes for themselves, raise their families, and take part in the public arena. After four squishy years under George ("Kinder and Gentler") Bush, the American people forgot the message Reagan had brought to them, and thus were susceptible to the government-as-Big-Nanny agenda offered by Bill Clinton. But we're not going to reclaim the Reagan magic with "Morning in America" mood rhetoric. If we try, we'll get more of what we got in 1998. What is needed is a substantive agenda that will turn the attention of the nation away from "what my government can do for me" and back to "what can I do for myself, my family, and my community". An across-the board tax cut is a no-brainer, but there's more. People need to know that the *decisions* they'll be making with their tax savings are *their own,* not subject to second-guessing by our Feckless Leader. And that requires an agenda for domestic freedom. * KEEP THE INTERNET FREE OF GOVERNMENT REGULATION AND TARIFF. Thanks to information technology, the Internet represents the revival of the village marketplace and town square. Participation should not be subject to constraints imposed either on content or through taxation. As despicable as some websites may be for the messages they promote, their owners are not aggressively carrying those messages into anyone's homes -- unlike the Clintonistas at OBS. This nation dumped the Fairness Doctrine for broadcast television; speech codes for the Internet are even less reasonable. By the same token, the government should not be invited in to "help" the Internet to grow. There's an old saying: "He who pays the piper calls the tune." Government has no business calling the tune on the Internet. * BAN ATTACK LAWSUITS THAT AIM TO DESTROY ENTIRE INDUSTRIES. What state governments managed to do to the tobacco industry, city governments are now trying to do to the firearm industry. Next, the nutrition gestapo will target beef. Environmentalists will take on energy industries and automakers. In retaliation, family-values groups will try to put Hollywood out of business. Ultimately both Congress and the White House will be superfluous -- all economic policy will be made in the trial courts. * DISMANTLE LAWS THAT UNDERMINE PROPERTY RIGHTS. In particular I mean the Endangered Species Act and the wetlands protection law (which was enacted with the support of the "right-wing" Bush Administration). Tear them down and, if a need remains to be addressed, enact new laws that take a more *American* approach to saving endangered species and mitigating habitat loss. * DECRIMINALIZE NORMAL HUMAN BEHAVIOR. It's obvious that the draconian laws aimed at, for example, sexual harassment, have not put a stop to crude behavior in the American workplace. Instead of making men and women criminals for noticing one another, we need to get back to expecting people to behave like grown-ups. There's nothing "grown up" about having sex in the office with a girl who works for you without pay -- and there's nothing "grown up" about acting like an infant because a co-worker of the opposite sex makes an adolescent comment. It would be wise across the board for conservatives to stop being defensive about wanting normal, mature behavior to be more acceptable -- and more prevalent -- than abnormal or childish behavior. * COME TO THE DEFENSE OF PUBLIC CHRISTIANITY. The predominant religious faith in America should have as much right in the public square as any non-Christian faith. Conservatives, even those who shrink from the "culture war," need to speak and act confidently in opposing those who have long sought -- once subtly, now openly -- to drive professed Christians into hiding. The idea that people who hold strong Christian beliefs should not apply them to public policy questions, should be attacked and stamped out; it is nothing more than bigotry, and should be denounced as such before it leads to an anti-Christian *Kristallnacht.* I'm sure there are more planks that can be added to this platform, but in my opinion these are the most essential and should be addressed first. They will certainly draw fire from the extremists who have worked so hard to turn conservatives into the Public Enemy #1 of the 1990s, but anyone worthy of the title of leader should be ready, willing and able to do battle. Any would-be presidential contender or GOP leader who lacks the stomach for this agenda should stay home and tend to his knitting. -30- February 26, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the IN THE WILDERNESS archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/wilderness/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: FCC reclassifies calls to ISPs as Long Distance Calls Date: 26 Feb 1999 04:41:19 -0800 Friday, February 26, 1999 FCC Reclassifies Internet Calls as Long-Distance, Provoking Protests Telecom: Agency denies consumer advocates' assertion that the decision will lead to higher charges for Web users. By KAREN KAPLAN, Times Staff Writer The Federal Communications Commission said Thursday that phone calls made to connect to Internet service providers should be considered long-distance instead of local, a ruling that big local phone companies have sought based on the argument that they are not recouping all their costs for handling Internet calls. While FCC officials say consumers won't have to pay long-distance charges in order to reach the global computer network, others--including one FCC commissioner--warned that the decision could ultimately shift fees now borne by the industry to consumers. That could lead to higher prices for people who access the Internet through services such as America Online. "This will inevitably lead to price increases for consumers for Internet services, and most likely it will be in the form of per-minute charges," said Gene Kimmelman, co-director of the Washington office of Consumers Union. Although a customer usually dials a local phone number to reach an Internet service provider, that call could ultimately wind up connecting to a computer server anywhere on the World Wide Web. That means that calls to ISPs must be considered interstate, not local, in nature, the FCC said. Commissioners said the intent of the action is to give the FCC the regulatory authority to set fees that local phone companies must pay one another as they hand off calls from one network to another en route to the Internet. Until now, those fees have been determined by state regulators, and the FCC said its decision won't change any of the so-called reciprocal compensation agreements that are already in effect. FCC Chairman William Kennard said the decision also wouldn't change the way calls to Internet service providers are charged. "I know that rumors have been spread by some people about adding per-minute charges for long-distance charges for the Internet," Kennard said. "These rumors are totally false." But consumer advocates insist that the decision opens the door for local phone companies to find a way to charge the kind of per-minute access fees that long-distance companies such as AT&T, MCI WorldCom and Sprint pay for voice calls. If the Baby Bells and GTE go to court over the matter, the FCC will have fewer legal defenses to protect consumers, said Mark Cooper, director of research for Washington-based Consumer Federation of America. "The biggest fear for consumers is that this is the first step toward metered Internet access," said Paul Misener, chief of staff for FCC Commissioner Harold Furchtgott-Roth, who did not support Thursday's decision. "The telephone companies would charge your local friendly ISP per-minute access fees, and those access fees would be passed along to yours truly," he said. The U.S. Telephone Assn., a Washington lobbying group that represents local phone companies, hailed the FCC's decision to classify calls to Internet service providers as interstate calls. SBC Communications, the San Antonio-based parent company of Pacific Bell, does not support charging per-minute long-distance fees for Internet access, said spokesman Selim Bingol. Companies that provide Internet access said they are confident the FCC decision won't result in higher prices for their customers. "The FCC made it perfectly clear that they did not intend any change in the current regime for Internet access pricing," said George Vradenburg, general counsel for AOL in Dulles, Va. The decision could also harm consumers if the FCC does away with the fees that monopoly local phone companies pay to the upstart local phone providers that serve ISPs, said David Eiswert, an Internet consultant with the Strategist Group in Washington. Those fees totaled $600 million last year and are estimated to top $1 billion this year. But if they can't be collected, the upstarts would probably raise the prices they charge to ISPs, Eiswert said. The ISPs, in turn, could raise prices for consumers, although he added that competition among Internet service providers would probably keep prices in check. Copyright 1999 Los Angeles Times. All Rights Reserved Search the archives of the Los Angeles Times for similar stories about: FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION, INTERNET (COMPUTER NETWORK), TELEPHONE CALLS, TELEPHONE INDUSTRY, GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS, FEES, TELECOMMUNICATIONS. You will not be charged to look for stories, only to retrieve one. Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 _________________| 1175 N Altadena Dr | ____________ Jack@Minerva.com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Fwd: Claremont Institute Precepts: Politics and the Culture War Date: 26 Feb 1999 07:49:38 -0600 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Claremont Institute--PRECEPTS | | February 25, 1999 Visit | | No. 146 Last week Paul Weyrich, of the Free Congress Foundation, issued a much-publicized letter conceding and lamenting that American conservatives have lost the "culture war." In the early 1980s, he writes, conservatives could speak with assurance of a "moral majority." Today it is a minority. Proof positive is the lack of outrage at the president's perverted behavior in the Oval Office with a girl just past her teens. Weyrich goes on to suggest that conservatives have been wrong to think that politics provides an answer. Despite successes at the polls, America's moral decline has continued. "Politics itself has failed," he concludes, "because of a collapse of culture." It is hard to argue with Weyrich's assertion that America's popular culture is an "ever-widening sewer." But he is wrong to suggest that culture has failed politics--or better put, that society has failed government--rather than the other way around. It is certainly true that good government requires virtue in society. James Madison recognized this in _Federalist_ 55: "republican government presupposes the existence of [virtue] in a higher degree than any other form." But where does this virtue come from? In _Federalist_ 49 Madison explained that government must "control and regulate" the people's passions, in order that the people's reason might "control and regulate" the government. The Founders were of a long line of Western statesmen and philosophers, traceable all the way back to Aristotle, who understood that virtue is formed by good laws, and undermined by bad ones. We must recall that the American people did not clamor for the radical policies that have transformed our society since the 1960s: the building of a regulatory bureaucracy that undermines property rights, welfare policies that undermine the work ethic, liberalized abortion and pornography laws that undermine sexual morality and family integrity, or affirmative action programs that undermine the idea of equality under law. These policies were imposed by America's political leadership, with the backing of academic and media elites who held the majority's opinions and interests in contempt. It is important that we understand that bad government has undermined decent society, rather than indecent society undermining good government. Only then can we see our only hope of setting things aright: the replacement of bad laws with good, based on the principles of limited government and ordered liberty that were abandoned in the 1960s. There is no reason to regard this enterprise as hopeless. Much depends upon the quality of the people who run for public office. We have been in a dry patch lately, but Reagan was not so long ago, and there has been a lot of eloquence and commitment to principle in the U.S. House just lately. There is no reason to think, as Weyrich gloomily suggests, that the mission of America is finished, or that Providence will not smile upon our efforts to do right. Institute Senior Fellow John Marini has written an article called "The Recent Impeachment Crisis and the Future," a unique analysis that focuses not on the failings of society, but of our political institutions. I invite you to read it at , or go to our home page at . Sincerely, Larry P. Arnn President, The Claremont Institute ====================================================================== Copyright (c) 1999 The Claremont Institute To subscribe to Precepts, go to: http://www.claremont.org/subscrib.cfm , or e-mail us at info@claremont.org . To be removed from this list, go to : http://www.claremont.org/remove_public.cfm , or e-mail us at info@claremont.org . For general correspondence or additional information about the Claremont Institute, e-mail : info@claremont.org , or visit our website at : http://www.claremont.org . Changing your e-mail address? Please let us know at : info@claremont.org . For press inquiries, contact Nazalee Topalian at topalian@msn.com or (909) 621-6825. The mission of the Claremont Institute for the Study of Statesmanship and Political Philosophy is to restore the principles of the American Founding to their rightful, preeminent authority in our national life. The Claremont Institute | 250 West First Street | Suite 330 | Claremont, CA 91711 | Phone (909) 621-6825 | Fax (909) 626-8724 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0.2 for non-commercial use Comment: Get my public key from iQA/AwUBNtamXu0M/FuXc0xJEQIA2ACfV8JoqEsZ/fuxaT25pSu0PSivMhEAoNE1 ORnoU3cZTqeBDIvtjsrNzgJG =LQf3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: KING COUNTY GUN POLL (fwd) Date: 27 Feb 1999 00:25:40 PST Ron, "Tax To The Max", Sims, needs to hear about this..... On Feb 24, Joe Waldron wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] King County Executive Ron Sims is conducting a poll at his web site asking if guns seized by the County Sheriff should be sold at auction (to licensed dealers). Please visit the site and vote. The site is http://www.metrokc.gov/exec All guns sold are auctioned to licensed dealers and are subject to all federal and state controls regarding resale. Joe Waldron [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [piml] Fwd: IRS SPECIAL AGENT finds NO INCOME TAX LAW EXISTS!!! (fwd) Date: 28 Feb 1999 03:44:08 PST On Feb 28, by way of Bill Utterback wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > From: BILL BENSON <"bbenson1@ix.netcom.com"@ix7.ix.netcom.com> > Subject: [Fwd: IRS SPECIAL AGENT finds NO INCOME TAX LAW EXISTS!!!] > > To All > > Remember as Bill Benson always tells the world, TOGETHER WE SHALL WIN!!!! > have a happy day. > > BILL BENSON > ***************************** > >**Joseph R. Banister, Special Agent of the IRS finds NO LAW THAT REQUIRES > >ANY AMERICAN TO FILE AND PAY INCOME TAX!*** > > > >Where: At the Freedom law School's Freedom Rally www.freedomlaw.org to be > >held at Sheraton Hotel in Newport Beach, California on March 13-14th, Mr. > >Banister will share his findings and Report with the American People. > > > >To: All Freedom Loving Americans Date: February 25, 1999 > >From: Peymon Mottahedeh, President > > Freedom Law School > > > >Dear Fellow American, > > > > Over the last 14 months, Freedom Law School along with Bill Conklin, > >Free Enterprise Society, Attorney Larry Becraft, Devvy Kidd and Bill Benson > >have been in communication with Joseph R. Banister, who is a SpecialAgent > >(Criminal Investigation Division) of the IRS in San Jose, California, and > >educated Mr. Banister as to how and why there is NO LAW THAT REQUIRES ANY > >AMERICAN TO FILE AND PAY INCOME TAX! > > > > Mr. Banister with his own time and money has verified that: > > 1) There is NO federal STATUTE (law written by Congress of the United > >States) which REQUIRES ANY AMERICAN TO FILE AND PAY INCOME TAX. > > 2) The 16th (the INCOME TAX) AMENDMENT of the U.S. Constitution, > >which was NOT PROPERLY RATIFIED INTO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. > > 3) The U.S. Government operates NOT by revenues from the Income Tax, > >but by borrowing MONEY, which has been CREATED OUT OF THIN AIR, from the > >Federal Reserve Banks. > > > > At the bottom of this message you will find a copy of the E-Mail which > >Mr. Banister sent me. Mr. Banister had written a 90 page report of his > >investigation of the Income Tax on February 11, 1999. This report is > >fully backed up by references to the U.S. Constitution, the IRS Code, > >Internal Revenue Manuals and court cases. > > > > Mr. Banister presented this 90 page report to his superiors and asked > >them to present it to the highest ranks of the IRS, up to and including > >the Commissioner of IRS, Mr. Charles O. Rossotti. Mr. Banister informed > >the IRS leadership that unless they could point-by-point refute his > >findings, Mr. Banister would resign from his position INSTEAD OF > >ENFORCING A NON-EXISTENT LAW! > > > > Apparently the Commissioner of IRS, Mr. Charles O. Rossotti and the > >high level officials of the IRS, who each have taken an oath to "uphold > >and defend the U.S. Constitution from all enemies, foreign or domestic", > >have VOLUNTARILY chosen to COMMIT TREASON on the American People by > >refusing to review and consider the findings of Mr. Banister, which > >squarely challenged the lawful basis of the IRS enforcing a NON-EXISTENT > >and VOLUNTARY INCOME TAX on the American people by use of VIOLENT > >FORCE!!! > > > > On February 17, Mr. Banister was called into his Chief's office. Mr > >Banister was informed that his report had been reviewed "by the highest > >levels of the IRS". Mr. Banister was given a memorandum which in part > >read: "The Internal Revenue Service will not be responding to your > >request and will provide you with the necessary paperwork to tender your > >resignation. You will be placed on administrative leave effective upon > >receipt of this memorandum for a period of seven calendar days to > >consider what actions you wish to take." > > > > Today, February 25, 1999, the anniversary of the alleged ratification > >of the 16th (income tax) Amendment, Mr. Banister resigned from the IRS > >so that he may freely and fully inform the American people of his > >findings regarding the income tax and the U.S. Government. > > > > Mr. Banister will be appearing at Freedom Law School's 1999 Freedom > >Rally on March 13-14th, at Sheraton Hotel (949)833-0570, 4545 Mac Arthur > >Blvd, Newport Beach, California to share his findings and release his > >report: "INVESTIGATING THE INCOME TAX: A PRELIMINARY REPORT" to the > >American People. > > > > To find out the latest developments and findings of Mr. Banister you > >may contact Freedom Law School at www.freedomlaw.org freedomlaw@home.com. > >You may also call us at (714)838-2896. However, since we have limited > >number of phone lines and staff, please use our web-cite and E-Mail > >whenever possible. > > > > > > > >"All that is needed for Evil to conquer, is for good men to do nothing!" > >"Price of liberty is eternal vigilance." > >"If not now, when?" > >"If its to be, its up to me." > > > > We at Freedom Law School encourage you to investigate this Report of > >Mr. Banister regarding the Income Tax and the U.S. Government, and let > >your local IRS agents/officials, Congressmen, Senators and President > >know what you want them to DO in response to Mr. Banister's Report. You > >can find the E-Mail and phone number of your congressmen at > >www.house.gov . > > > > Please share this message with the Freedom Loving American People. > > > > > > > >**Below is the full text of Mr. Banister's E-Mail to Freedom Law School** > > > >Dear Friends: > > > >Well, the day of reckoning has arrived. On February 11, 1999, in my > >capacity as a Special Agent and federal law enforcement officer sworn to > >support and defend the Constitution of the United States, I submitted a > >"preliminary report" to the Chief of the IRS Criminal Investigation > >Division for the Central California District. My report summarized my > >findings regarding allegations that the income tax and filing of federal > >income tax returns is voluntary, that the 16th Amendment was never > >ratified, and that income taxes are not used to pay for daily government > >operations. > > > >In order to ensure that unnecessary and unwarranted delay would not > >occur, I requested that my report be forwarded to top officials in the > >IRS up to and including Commissioner Charles O. Rossotti, and I > >respectfully requested that the Commissioner or his designee respond to > >the evidence in my report within 30 days. Today, my Chief called me into > >his office and gave me a memorandum. The memorandum dated February 17th, > >1999, read in part: > > > >The Internal Revenue Service will not be responding to your request and > >will provide you with the necessary paperwork to tender your resignation. > >You will be placed on administrative leave effective upon receipt of this > >memorandum for a period of seven calendar days to consider what actions > >you wish to take. > > > >I was told that officials at the highest levels of the Internal Revenue > >Service were consulted regarding a response to my report. Apparently, I > >have now joined the ranks of every other taxpayer who ever was ignored or > >otherwise rebuffed by the Internal Revenue Service when they petitioned > >the IRS for a reasonable explanation. The only conclusion that I can > >reach is that those officials thought it was better to rebuff my request > >and pass up a golden opportunity to prove my research wrong than to have > >to admit that so-called "tax-protesters" and other supporters of the > >U.S. Constitution have been right all along. Ironically, had the IRS > >taken the time to address my concerns, or perhaps perform the simple > >task of proving the allegations wrong, I would have gladly been their > >spokesman advising taxpayers not to fall for these untrue allegations > >for the rest of my career. > > > >As the memorandum states, I have until Friday, February 26th, 1999, the > >day after the 86th anniversary of the alleged ratification of the 16th > >Amendment, to tender my resignation. This is certainly a sad day in my > >life. Although I was hoping for a better result, I learned today after > >over two years of investigation that the Internal Revenue Service is > >everything that the so-called "tax protesters" said it was; non- > >responsive, unable to withstand scrutiny, tyrannical, and agency > >oblivious to the rule of law and the U.S. Constitution. > > > >May God help us all. > > > >Joseph R. Banister Internet FileZone: Always FREE! Instantly store & access your valuable PC files on the net, from any Web browser. 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