From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RAPTUS: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ Date: 01 May 1999 02:41:41 PST This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Miss O'Donnell's websites (fwd) Date: 01 May 1999 12:14:30 PST On May 1, Douglas Davis wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] What the Hey... I decided to take Miss O'Donnell's offer of a web site up. I tried using their page builder, but couldn't figure it out, or at least make it do what I wanted. So... I made my own and after getting some hints from the FAQ's I found out the FTP transfere protocal can be used, much easier than the file manager that is there. I must return and add a thank you note to Miss O'Donnel, as soon as I get around to it. http://rosie.acmecity.com/luck/382 PS I only have about 75K there now!! I really must get busy, 19 meg to go. doug davis ****************** Why do liberals trust the bad guys to be good and the law- abiding to be bad? ****************** Firearms, self-defense, and other information, with LINKS are available at: http://shell.rmi.net/~davisda Latest additions are found in the group NEW with alerts under the heading ALERTS. Previous E-mail message are being archived. ******************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: RE: Miss O'Donnell's websites (fwd) Date: 01 May 1999 17:14:37 -0700 Guys -- If you want Personal Web Pages, try GoPlay.com. I confess to a conflict of interest here, since I own part of it. Nevertheless, IMHO, we have one of the nicest and fastest web-based email and PWP sites on the net. Lew > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 1999 1:15 PM > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Miss O'Donnell's websites (fwd) > > > On May 1, Douglas Davis wrote: > > [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows > --------------------] > > What the Hey... I decided to take Miss O'Donnell's offer of a > web site up. > I tried using their page builder, but couldn't figure it out, or at least > make it do what I wanted. So... I made my own and after getting > some hints > from the FAQ's I found out the FTP transfere protocal can be used, much > easier than the file manager that is there. I must return and add a thank > you note to Miss O'Donnel, as soon as I get around to it. > > http://rosie.acmecity.com/luck/382 > > PS I only have about 75K there now!! I really must get busy, > 19 meg to go. > > doug davis > > ****************** > Why do liberals trust the bad guys to be good and the law- > abiding to be bad? > > ****************** > Firearms, self-defense, and other information, with LINKS are > available at: http://shell.rmi.net/~davisda Latest additions are > found in the group NEW with alerts under the heading ALERTS. > Previous E-mail message are being archived. > ******************** > > [------------------------- end of forwarded message > ------------------------] > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- > ---------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | > sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- > ---------- > > - > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: Miss O'Donnell's websites (fwd) Date: 01 May 1999 22:03:51 PST Not to detract from your efforts, or your site, but you missed the point, which is: To put Pro-Gun/Patriot/Christian/etc., Web Pages on _Rosie's_ site, which has offered them for free. This uses up her resources, surrounds her dreck with with properly righteous stuff to impress her usual cast of suckers, and probably fries her buns in the bargain.....:-) Of course there's nothing against your putting up a page on her site advertizing your own, but if you do, don't forget to use your full 20 megabytes. I'd probably do it myself if I new anything about it, and had something worth putting up there.....:-) On May 1, Lew Glendenning wrote: >Guys -- > >If you want Personal Web Pages, try GoPlay.com. > >I confess to a conflict of interest here, since I own part of it. > >Nevertheless, IMHO, we have one of the nicest and fastest web-based email >and PWP sites on the net. > >Lew > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com >> [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance >> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 1999 1:15 PM >> To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Miss O'Donnell's websites (fwd) >> >> >> On May 1, Douglas Davis wrote: >> >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows >> --------------------] >> >> What the Hey... I decided to take Miss O'Donnell's offer of a >> web site up. >> I tried using their page builder, but couldn't figure it out, or at least >> make it do what I wanted. So... I made my own and after getting >> some hints >> from the FAQ's I found out the FTP transfere protocal can be used, much >> easier than the file manager that is there. I must return and add a thank >> you note to Miss O'Donnel, as soon as I get around to it. >> >> http://rosie.acmecity.com/luck/382 >> >> PS I only have about 75K there now!! I really must get busy, >> 19 meg to go. >> >> doug davis >> >> ****************** >> Why do liberals trust the bad guys to be good and the law- >> abiding to be bad? >> >> ****************** >> Firearms, self-defense, and other information, with LINKS are >> available at: http://shell.rmi.net/~davisda Latest additions are >> found in the group NEW with alerts under the heading ALERTS. >> Previous E-mail message are being archived. >> ******************** >> >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message >> ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Observations Date: 02 May 1999 10:43:08 -0500 point your browser to http://www.msnbc.com/news/261055.asp This is a story on the anti-NRA demonstrations in Denver. The interesting thing to note is the professional quality of the signs some of the demonstrators are carrying. Anybody remember seeing anything quite so slick, to use an appropriate term, at any pro-gun rally? The point is not the usefullness of such professional signs, but rather the fact that possesion of the signs, especially on such short notice indicates some substantial backing or (CONSPIRACY MODE ON) planning prior to the actual event in Littleton. A second observation is the scaling back the convention did the NRA and gun owners absolutely no good, in terms of positive PR, and instead sent the message that the NRA, and by implication it's members, feel some resonsibility for the attack at Columbine HS. If the reports of 8,000 demonstrators are correct, according to the report from cnn, they outnumbered those attending the convention by about 3.2 to 1. If the full convention had been held, and the expected number attened there would have been about 10 times more NRA folks present. (http://www.cnn.com/US/9905/01/nra.protest.02/ A third observation is the almost universal referance to the incident as a "shooting" or "shooting rampage" and the two scrots as "shooters", never as "bombers". AFIK, they have not yet determined, or at least released information as to which weapons, including the bomb, where used in how many of the killings. We know that at least a couple of the deaths were indeed shootings, but even in those cases we don't yet know if the perps used the dreaded assault weapon (The Tech-9, since the high-point carbine doesn't qualify, despite it's paramilitary look), a simple semi-auto carbine, or converted hunting arms, i.e. the literally sawed off shotguns. Meanwhile, how many innocent children has Bill Clinton killed in his "Don't look at that Chinese agent behind the curtain" war in the land of the south slavs? Thirty-four civilians just in yesterday's hit on a civlian bus as it crossed a bridge. Why weren't the 8,000 protesting that killing? How much do you suppose an F-117, and F-16, and a Harrier cost? Way more than the $1.5 million that Billy boy sent to Littleton that's for sure. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Observations Date: 02 May 1999 10:11:45 +0100 Not to pop any balloons here, but if you are planning a pro gun rally I highly recommend you contact the Citizens Committee for the Right To Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) here in Bellevue Wa. They have really sharp (as opposed to slick, I've opposed Slick each time he ran) professional signs that you should have in your crowd. Boyd (part of the evil conspiracy ; ) Kneeland Joe Sylvester wrote: > > point your browser to > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/261055.asp > > This is a story on the anti-NRA demonstrations in Denver. The interesting > thing to note is the professional quality of the signs some of the > demonstrators are carrying. Anybody remember seeing anything quite so > slick, to use an appropriate term, at any pro-gun rally? The point is not > the usefullness of such professional signs, but rather the fact that > possesion of the signs, especially on such short notice indicates some > substantial backing or (CONSPIRACY MODE ON) planning prior to the actual > event in Littleton. > > A second observation is the scaling back the convention did the NRA and gun > owners absolutely no good, in terms of positive PR, and instead sent the > message that the NRA, and by implication it's members, feel some > resonsibility for the attack at Columbine HS. If the reports of 8,000 > demonstrators are correct, according to the report from cnn, they > outnumbered those attending the convention by about 3.2 to 1. If the full > convention had been held, and the expected number attened there would have > been about 10 times more NRA folks present. > > (http://www.cnn.com/US/9905/01/nra.protest.02/ > > A third observation is the almost universal referance to the incident as a > "shooting" or "shooting rampage" and the two scrots as "shooters", never as > "bombers". AFIK, they have not yet determined, or at least released > information as to which weapons, including the bomb, where used in how many > of the killings. We know that at least a couple of the deaths were indeed > shootings, but even in those cases we don't yet know if the perps used the > dreaded assault weapon (The Tech-9, since the high-point carbine doesn't > qualify, despite it's paramilitary look), a simple semi-auto carbine, or > converted hunting arms, i.e. the literally sawed off shotguns. > > Meanwhile, how many innocent children has Bill Clinton killed in his "Don't > look at that Chinese agent behind the curtain" war in the land of the south > slavs? Thirty-four civilians just in yesterday's hit on a civlian bus as > it crossed a bridge. Why weren't the 8,000 protesting that killing? How > much do you suppose an F-117, and F-16, and a Harrier cost? Way more than > the $1.5 million that Billy boy sent to Littleton that's for sure. > > The Second Amendment is the RESET button > of the United States Constitution. > ---Doug McKay" > > Joe Sylvester > Don't Tread On Me ! > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Observations Date: 02 May 1999 10:11:45 +0100 Not to pop any balloons here, but if you are planning a pro gun rally I highly recommend you contact the Citizens Committee for the Right To Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) here in Bellevue Wa. They have really sharp (as opposed to slick, I've opposed Slick each time he ran) professional signs that you should have in your crowd. Boyd (part of the evil conspiracy ; ) Kneeland Joe Sylvester wrote: > > point your browser to > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/261055.asp > > This is a story on the anti-NRA demonstrations in Denver. The interesting > thing to note is the professional quality of the signs some of the > demonstrators are carrying. Anybody remember seeing anything quite so > slick, to use an appropriate term, at any pro-gun rally? The point is not > the usefullness of such professional signs, but rather the fact that > possesion of the signs, especially on such short notice indicates some > substantial backing or (CONSPIRACY MODE ON) planning prior to the actual > event in Littleton. > > A second observation is the scaling back the convention did the NRA and gun > owners absolutely no good, in terms of positive PR, and instead sent the > message that the NRA, and by implication it's members, feel some > resonsibility for the attack at Columbine HS. If the reports of 8,000 > demonstrators are correct, according to the report from cnn, they > outnumbered those attending the convention by about 3.2 to 1. If the full > convention had been held, and the expected number attened there would have > been about 10 times more NRA folks present. > > (http://www.cnn.com/US/9905/01/nra.protest.02/ > > A third observation is the almost universal referance to the incident as a > "shooting" or "shooting rampage" and the two scrots as "shooters", never as > "bombers". AFIK, they have not yet determined, or at least released > information as to which weapons, including the bomb, where used in how many > of the killings. We know that at least a couple of the deaths were indeed > shootings, but even in those cases we don't yet know if the perps used the > dreaded assault weapon (The Tech-9, since the high-point carbine doesn't > qualify, despite it's paramilitary look), a simple semi-auto carbine, or > converted hunting arms, i.e. the literally sawed off shotguns. > > Meanwhile, how many innocent children has Bill Clinton killed in his "Don't > look at that Chinese agent behind the curtain" war in the land of the south > slavs? Thirty-four civilians just in yesterday's hit on a civlian bus as > it crossed a bridge. Why weren't the 8,000 protesting that killing? How > much do you suppose an F-117, and F-16, and a Harrier cost? Way more than > the $1.5 million that Billy boy sent to Littleton that's for sure. > > The Second Amendment is the RESET button > of the United States Constitution. > ---Doug McKay" > > Joe Sylvester > Don't Tread On Me ! > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: McGehee's News & Comment - May 2, 1999 (fwd) Date: 02 May 1999 15:53:15 PST On May 2, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ "IT WAS ALWAYS BURNIN' SINCE THE WORLD'S BEEN TURNIN'" The '80s anthem of the pot-bellied Baby Boomers who survived the '60s and '70s was a song by Billy Joel titled, "We Didn't Start the Fire" -- and the more I hear from the pre-eminent pot-bellied Baby Boomer of the 1990s the more I realize that Billy Joel's whiny don't-blame-us tune was right on target. Did the plight of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo get worse after the air strikes began? "We didn't start the fire -- no we didn't light it but we tried to fight it." Did hostile Chinese espionage operations in our defense labs become so routine they were almost a vacation for the spies? "We didn't start the fire -- it was always burnin' since the world's been turnin'." Now consider the President's call for massive curtailments on the rights of millions of innocent Americans because of the evil, demented acts of a handful of unhinged kids. How many kids died in Littleton? How many civilians died when U.S. jets blasted a bus off a bridge in Serbia? The King of the Baby Boomers may not have ignited the conflagration that has come more and more to exemplify the 20th Century, but even if we give him the benefit of the doubt it's undeniable that he has done more to fan the flames wherever they have smoldered. And indeed this is the legacy of the entire political complex of which Bill Clinton is the most prominent living representative. In the name of peace, they abetted those who made war on their own country. In the name of love, they planted the seeds for the rage and hate that was expressed in Littleton. In the name of equality, they have doomed entire communities in America to the stigma of being unable to measure up without special, *unequal* help from the law. Let any member of the WW2 generation point this out, though, and the Baby Boomer Political Front retorts, "YOU raised us. It's YOUR fault." I suspect that the BBPF's hostility to the very idea of religion grows out of their overwhelming terror at the thought they might ever be held accountable for anything that has resulted from their actions. Can you imagine an abortion advocate being confronted with the souls of the millions of babies whose lives were never to be, because of Roe v. Wade? Can you imagine an opponent of our part in the Cold War being confronted with the souls of those killed by the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, or by the Red Army in Afghanistan, or by the KGB in the gulags? Now contemplate the souls of innocent bus-riding Serbian civilians confronting the Senators who voted to acquit Bill Clinton -- demanding to know why the power to order air strikes was left in that man's hands. I don't know who will be confronted with the souls of the Littleton victims, but I'm sure it won't be 80 million law-abiding American gun owners. -30- May 2, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/news&comment/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: Observations Date: 02 May 1999 22:02:41 -0500 At 10:11 AM 5/2/99 +0100, boyd@seanet.com wrote: >Not to pop any balloons here, but if you are planning a pro gun rally I >highly recommend you contact the Citizens Committee for the Right To >Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) here in Bellevue Wa. They have really sharp >(as opposed to slick, I've opposed Slick each time he ran) professional >signs that you should have in your crowd. Boyd (part of the evil >conspiracy ; ) Kneeland I have one of their signs, and yes they are quite nice. But they are not anywhere near as expensive appearing as the signs I saw in the picture of that crowd. Just so y'all know, I'm listening to (a replay on ABC radio of) Sam D interviewing Moses. Moses said that the "NRA is in favor of instant checks at gun shows", in the context of the Presidents proposals. Another slip of the tongue? Or another stab in the back. He's pushing project Exile too, strict enforcment of all gun laws. Hand your kid an "assault weapon" go to jail, zero tolerance. He also just said that "he's not against" a ban on over 10 round magazines "per se", just that it wouldn't do any good. He's also not up on Emerson, as the talking heads are trying to pass off the old lie, the courts have "never" said the second amendment protects an individual right. He is defending the Second, but it would be so nice if he could just say "you are wrong" and quote chapter and verse of the cases stating just that. I only through in that pre-planning aspect to yank y'all's chain, I'm more concerned with who's suppling the money and organization to these things on such short notice. That said, don't forget what Neal Knox recently wrote, quoting some unknown person. (paraphrasing) "Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action". We are well past three times. It doesn't really matter if these events are being pre-arranged, or merely prepared for. The result is the same, the Second amendment gets ripped to shreds, along with several other parts of that "living" document, written by dead white slave owners. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: Observations Date: 02 May 1999 22:02:41 -0500 At 10:11 AM 5/2/99 +0100, boyd@seanet.com wrote: >Not to pop any balloons here, but if you are planning a pro gun rally I >highly recommend you contact the Citizens Committee for the Right To >Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) here in Bellevue Wa. They have really sharp >(as opposed to slick, I've opposed Slick each time he ran) professional >signs that you should have in your crowd. Boyd (part of the evil >conspiracy ; ) Kneeland I have one of their signs, and yes they are quite nice. But they are not anywhere near as expensive appearing as the signs I saw in the picture of that crowd. Just so y'all know, I'm listening to (a replay on ABC radio of) Sam D interviewing Moses. Moses said that the "NRA is in favor of instant checks at gun shows", in the context of the Presidents proposals. Another slip of the tongue? Or another stab in the back. He's pushing project Exile too, strict enforcment of all gun laws. Hand your kid an "assault weapon" go to jail, zero tolerance. He also just said that "he's not against" a ban on over 10 round magazines "per se", just that it wouldn't do any good. He's also not up on Emerson, as the talking heads are trying to pass off the old lie, the courts have "never" said the second amendment protects an individual right. He is defending the Second, but it would be so nice if he could just say "you are wrong" and quote chapter and verse of the cases stating just that. I only through in that pre-planning aspect to yank y'all's chain, I'm more concerned with who's suppling the money and organization to these things on such short notice. That said, don't forget what Neal Knox recently wrote, quoting some unknown person. (paraphrasing) "Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action". We are well past three times. It doesn't really matter if these events are being pre-arranged, or merely prepared for. The result is the same, the Second amendment gets ripped to shreds, along with several other parts of that "living" document, written by dead white slave owners. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Dole a gun-controller, too. (fwd) Date: 02 May 1999 20:48:49 PST On May 2, RHill@MICKEY.GC.WHECN.EDU wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/story.html?s=3Dv/nm/19990502/ts/= politi cs_newhampshire_2.html Elizabeth Dole Calls For Gun Control, Earns Boos Full=A0Coverage Presidential=A0Election=A02000 By Alan Elsner, Political Correspondent MANCHESTER, N.H. (Reuters) - Former cabinet member Elizabeth Dole went = out on a limb Sunday by urging stricter gun control, earning herself = scattered boos at the first major Republican presidential forum of the 2000 = campaign. Eight actual and potential candidates addressed a crowd of 1,200 in New Hampshire, which next February will stage the first-in-the-nation presidential primary when citizens cast early and closely watched votes = for their preferred nominee. Texas Gov. George W. Bush, the early frontrunner, was absent as were = Arizona Sen. John McCain and columnist Pat Buchanan, who won the 1996 primary. The recent massacre at Columbine High School in Littleton, Co, = dominated the speeches of former vice president Dan Quayle, former Tennessee Gov. = Lamar Alexander, publisher Steve Forbes, Ohio Rep. John Kasich, conservative activist Gary Bauer, radio host Alan Keyes, New Hampshire Sen. Bob = Smith as well as Dole. But Dole, wife of defeated 1996 Republican nominee Bob Dole, was the = most controversial, declaring her support for a ban on assault weapons which = many conservatives bitterly oppose and want to overturn. ``I don't think you need an AK-47 to defend your family,'' she said to = tepid applause and a few boos. ``I also favor safety locks on guns to protect = our children.'' Dole, who shunned the podium to address the crowd from the middle of = the hall, was taking a risk because the powerful gun lobby is an important Republican constituency. Although she is running second to Bush in most polls, her campaign has started slowly, raising doubts about whether it = will be viable. ``I don't know where she's going. Every time she opens her mouth, she = seems to move a little more to the left,'' said Dave Carney, a New Hampshire political consultant who ran Bob Dole's campaign in the state in 1996 = but is staying neutral this year. All the candidates addressed the Littleton shootings by two high school students but drew very different lessons. Bauer, a Christian activist, = said God had to be returned to the center of American life. ``We're making more millionaires than at any time in the history of = this country but if we do not remember that America was built by God and He = is the author of our liberty ... nothing else will matter,'' he said. Alexander focused on education reform in a well-received speech which = ended with a sideswipe against Bush, son of former president George Bush. ``Our nomination can't be bought, it can't be inherited. It has to be = earned and I'm here to earn it,'' he said. Quayle said the United States needed a spiritual renewal. ''If you have = a child who loves God, honors his parents and respects his neighbors, = that child will never kill anyone,'' he said. Keyes said America's moral corruption began with its toleration of = abortion while Forbes said citizens should seek solutions within themselves = rather than looking to Washington for solutions. Most candidates also fiercely attacked the U.S. role in Kosovo, none = more bitterly than Keyes who called it an immoral attack on a country that = had never harmed the United States. Here too, Dole stood out from the rest by declaring that the United = States should persist with the air campaign until it won. By contrast, Quayle = said a superpower had no business getting involved in what he termed a = ``civil war''. The New Hampshire primary, tentatively scheduled for Feb. 15, 2000, is different from any other event in a presidential race. The state is = small and a large proportion of its voters expect to meet the candidates personally, sometimes more than once, rather than learn of their views through paid television advertisements, as is the case in most other = parts of the country. The Republican race is more complicated than the two-man contest being = waged among Democrats between Vice President Al Gore and former New Jersey = Sen. Bill Bradley. But Bush remains the Republican man of the moment, not least because he = is perceived as the candidate with the best chance of capturing the White = House for Republicans in 2000 after what will be eight years of Democratic control. ``Every Republican I've talked to wants a winner. That's why Bush has = such momentum right now -- because he looks like a winner even though people don't know where he is on the issues,'' said Carney.=20 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 5/3 (fwd) Date: 03 May 1999 21:14:02 PST On May 3, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 11:35 AM The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU=C9 - May 3, 1999 Now on the Web at http://members.aol.com/educintel/eia + Research from the Organization for Economic Development often makes international comparisons of teacher salaries. OECD uses various measures= , but the most often cited is teacher salary compared to per capita income.= The United States usually fares poorly by this measure. That aside, it seems = such a comparison made state-by-state would also produce some useful informati= on. The Bureau of Labor Statistics recently released the state rankings of pe= r capita personal income in 1998. Since we have pretty good teacher salary figures from NEA for the same year, it is a simple equation. The followin= g table ranks the 50 states and the District of Columbia by how much (expre= ssed as a percentage) the average teacher salary exceeded per capita personal income. It's important that you don't confuse these figures with the tabl= e from One Yard Below, which compared teachers and workers. These figures include everyone -- non- workers, children and retirees. Again, the idea = is not to judge what the gap should be, but how state teachers compare relat= ive to their population base and to other states' teachers. 1) Alaska 101.5 2) Michigan 83.7 3) Pennsylvania 77.4 4) West Virginia 72.5 5) Oregon 70.4 6) Rhode Island 65.3 7) Indiana 64.1 8) California 62.1 9) Kentucky 60.9 10) Wisconsin 59.1 11) South Carolina 58.1 12) Idaho 55.8 13) Arkansas 55.3 14) Ohio 55.1 15) Utah 54.1 16) New York 53.5 17) Alabama 53.1 18) Montana 51.8 19) Mississippi 51.35 20) Illinois 51.32 21) New Mexico 51.2 22) Georgia 50.16 23) Vermont 50.15 24) Tennessee 50.0 25) Maine 49.7 26) Arizona 49.2 27) New Jersey 48.6 28) Kansas 47.4 29) Hawaii 46.8 30) Oklahoma 45.7 31) Iowa 42.5 32) Delaware 42.3 33) Minnesota 42.1 34) Louisiana 41.0 35) Maryland 39.4 36) Missouri 39.0 37) Washington 38.63 38) North Carolina 38.60 39) Wyoming 38.2 40) Texas 36.8 41) Nevada 36.4 42) Connecticut 34.9 43) Massachusetts 33.9 44) Virginia 33.8 45) Florida 33.4 46) Nebraska 32.0 47) North Dakota 30.2 48) Colorado 30.0 49) New Hampshire 26.3 50) D.C. 24.3 51) South Dakota 23.6 + A measure that would have allowed NEA members to designate where the political portion of their dues would go was ruled "out of order" by the union's Committee on Constitution, Bylaws, and Rules. Submitted by Ed Web= er of the Ohio Education Association and supported by at least 50 other delegates to NEA's Representative Assembly, the proposed bylaw amendment would have read: "All members shall be given the opportunity to designate where the political contribution portion of their dues money is to be allocated." NEA's committee ruled that "political contribution" meant "contributions to candidates for elective office" and concluded, "Since n= o dues money is used for that purpose, the amendment is ruled out of order.= " NEA's political action committee handles all candidate contributions. NEA does, however, spend a large portion of its general fund (dues money) on politics and other activities unrelated to collective bargainin= g -- as much as 40 percent according to its own U.S. Supreme Court-mandated disclosures. By quashing Weber's amendment, NEA avoids what would have be= en a very interesting secret ballot vote on the conduct of its political activities. + This July, the NEA Representative Assembly will vote on whether member= s with disabilities will comprise three percent of the union's board of directors. The 167-member board meets five times annually to vote on NEA policies. The current NEA constitution requires the board to have at least 20 percent racial and ethnic minority representation. If minority representa= tion ever falls below this level, additional minority directors are elected at-large by the RA or the board itself. The proposed constitutional amend= ment would extend this procedure to members with disabilities. A two-thirds majority of NEA delegates would have to approve the change via secret bal= lot. NEA's biggest concern about the amendment is the same one currently occup= ying the U.S. Supreme Court -- the definition of a disability. The union will = have to determine whether to allow candidates to self-identify as disabled or = to institute a test or standard. + The Washington Education Association, which has tied the state legisla= ture in knots in an attempt to get a two-year, 15 percent pay increase for teachers, will soon start gathering signatures to put an initiative on th= e November ballot. The measure would guarantee annual cost-of-living raises= to all public school employees and faculty at two-year colleges. The propose= d initiative received its first organized opposition. No, not the chamber o= f commerce. No, not a taxpayers' organization. No, not the state GOP. It wa= s the Washington Federation of Teachers, the 4,000-member state AFT affilia= te. The WFT is worried the WEA initiative will reduce the money available for other programs -- notably pay increases for the four-year faculty and classified staff that WFT represents. + People have been using the Columbine High School massacre to advance a= ll sorts of political and social agendas, so it came as no surprise that som= eone would use it to justify pay increases for teachers. The Wilson Daily Time= s published an editorial about the increasing burden of local supplements t= o teacher pay on county taxpayers. The local supplements are tied to state appropriations for teacher pay. With Gov. Jim Hunt raising pay 6 to 8 per= cent a year as part of a pledge to bring North Carolina teacher salaries to th= e national average, the local contribution is rising fast. North Carolina Association of Educators President Joyce Elliott scripted a reply to the editorial, noting that the supplements were "essential investments," then threw in this little tidbit: "If there is a= ny doubt of how important teachers are to our young people, consider the tra= gic events in Littleton, Colorado; Jonesboro, Arkansas; Springfield, Oregon, = and West Paducah, Kentucky. Our teachers consistently show us that they are worthy." + From yesterday's New York Times: "Generally, tuition-paying students a= re admitted only in classes where there are vacancies. Most districts screen= out students with academic or behavioral problems." But reporter Joseph Berge= r isn't describing voucher schools. He's writing about programs in some sta= tes that allow parents to buy their way into affluent, suburban public school= s. Another sixteen states require districts to accept out-of-town students f= ree of charge if there is space. School officials from low- performing distri= cts dislike the programs. "It removes the better kids from the system," said Ronald O. Ross, superintendent of Mount Vernon School District in New Yor= k State. "Whatever problems we have, it makes it more difficult." + Education Daily ran a story last week on EIA's report, Measure for Measure: A Magnified Look at Standardized Test Scores. Still available through the mail, free, from EIA. + Quote of the Week: "Certainly, some will oppose competition -- just as AT&T once fought the breakup of its monopoly. Others will reflexively res= ist the redistribution of power to poor families. Still others will wave thei= r worn-out ideologies to defend a system of educational apartheid while demonizing anyone who promotes a parent's right to choose." -- former U.N. Ambassador Andrew Young. # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, analysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. = Fax: 916-392-1482. E-Mail: EducIntel@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Laws Violated at Columbine (fwd) Date: 03 May 1999 22:34:39 PST On May 3, Jim Zoes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: Alan Korwin Subject: Laws Violated at Columbine Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 16:59:24 +0000 To: Alan Korwin > Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 16:59:24 +0000 > From: Alan Korwin > Reply-To: alan@bloomfieldpress.com > Organization: Bloomfield Press > To: Alan Korwin > Subject: Laws Violated at Columbine > > It seems my early review draft of this is already circulating. > Here's the genuine article. > > An attorney asked me to make a list of crimes apparently committed by > the assailants at Columbine High School in Colorado. I drew up this > generic list and I was surprised by how long it was. Feel free to > include this info in any contact you might have with your local media. > > ----------------------------------------------- > > Alan Korwin, author of Gun Laws of America, prepared this list of types > of crimes committed during the high school attack in Colorado. > > Premeditated murder > Murder > Attempted murder > Aggravated assault > Assault with a deadly weapon > Assault and battery > Assault > Threatening and intimidating > Conspiracy to commit felony > Conspiracy to commit misdemeanor > Aiding and abetting > Providing firearm to minor > Providing handgun to minor > Possession of firearm by minor > Possession of handgun by minor > Possession of firearm by minor without federally > required permission slip from parent or guardian > Possession of NFA weapon (sawed off shotgun) > Possession of explosives > Possession of explosives by minor > Possession of explosives with malicious intent > Making of explosives > Placing of explosives > Use of explosives > Concealed carry without permit > Gun on school grounds > Another gun on school grounds > Yet another gun on school grounds > Possession of ammunition on school grounds > Obtaining guns and ammo through bogus means > Discharging firearm in city limits > Disturbing the peace > Committing a hate crime > Multiple counts of all of the above > Multiple torts (harm suffered that is subject to civil lawsuits; > Colorado prohibits lawyers from soliciting clients within 30 days > of an injury, out-of-state lawyers are reportedly already calling > relatives for potential clients.) > > And of course, aggravating circumstances and anything a reasonable > Colorado prosecutor could no doubt add to this list. For instance, > Colorado law includes two to six years for the parents if they allowed > the boys to possess a firearm, knowing of substantial felony risk. > > In the rush to enact more laws, we perhaps overlook the fact that > everything criminal about this heinous attack is already totally > illegal. If you want to fix the laws, it helps to know what they are. > We keep such information posted at our newly beefed-up website, > gunlaws.com. > > It is also critical to realize that 6,000 kids brought weapons to school > in 1997 (according to the Dept. of Education), in complete violation of > the federal Gun-Free School Zones law -- calling for at least five years > in prison -- but the kids were just sent home. One of these was Kip > Kinkle, who came back the next day to commit most of the crimes listed > above. > > Representatives in government are well aware that we barely enforce the > perfectly good laws we have. So what, you must wonder, is their motive > for instantly seeking more laws? What other agenda could they possibly > have, using this tragedy to stir up support? > > > > Alan Korwin, Author > Bloomfield Press > 12629 N. Tatum #440 > Phoenix, AZ 85032 > Fax 602-494-0679 > http://www.gunlaws.com > 1-800-707-4020 > > Alan Korwin is the author of seven best-selling books on gun law, > including "Gun Laws of America--Every Federal Gun Law on the Books, with > Plain English Summaries," and state gun-law guides for AZ, CA, FL, TX, > VA. This paper is part of an ongoing series, click Position Papers on > the home page, or write or call for copies. > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > When you disarm your subjects > you offend them by showing that > either from cowardliness or lack of faith, > you distrust them; and either conclusion > will induce them to hate you. > Niccolo Machiavelli > "The Prince" > > Only the rulers should be armed. > U.N. agenda > > ~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~ > > IF YOU'VE GOT A GUN > YOU'RE NOT A CROOK > AND THE GUN'S NOT ILLEGAL, > THAT'S NOT A CRIME. > The Committee to Arrest Criminals > and Leave Decent People Alone. > > Another idea from http://www.gunlaws.com > Click "POSITION PAPERS" for news, views and updates > > Bloomfield Press > We publish the gun laws. ---------------End of Original Message----------------- Jim Zoes I watched the numbers roll up in 10's on this one. Appears 3 people >from HCI are wearing out their mouses on it. > >http://www.bouldernews.com/cgi-bin/pollvault/pv_vote.cgi >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA >---------------------------------------------------------------- Didn't get me there. Try: http://www.bouldernews.com/news/statewest/421shoot1.shtml and vote from the "Reaction" column on the right-hand side. We are really losing this one -- 12%-88% against CO CCW. -- Tavares@alum.mit.edu http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: [Fwd: What youcan do to stop the war] (fwd) Date: 04 May 1999 11:17:47 PST On May 04, MarkAnge wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Greetings, all! Within five minutes of receiving this email, YOU can take a shot at the North Atlantic Terrorist Organization and the NWO! Pass it on! FREEDOM! Steve McNallen Seth Fehrs 04/30/99 04:00 PM cc: [letter to forward to your friends and family] I'm participating in an Internet campaign to stop the war in Yugoslavia before ground troops are deployed, and I'd like to invite you to join me. Please forward this message to any friends, family, co-workers, neighbors, or other people you know personally who may be interested. Then go to http://www.StopTheWarNow.com and sign the petition. You can add your personal comments to the petition. It will then be submitted directly to your representative in the U.S. House and to both your U.S. Senators. Every day that this undeclared war continues, it becomes more likely that ground troops will be deployed, and that we will find ourselves in another Vietnam-style quagmire. As the war escalates, it will become increasingly difficult for politicians to admit that they made a mistake, end the war, and bring our troops home. The bombing of Yugoslavia is a textbook example of the folly of foreign intervention: So far, the US-NATO air assault has accomplished the exact opposite of what President Clinton promised. Our bombardment has prompted more attacks on innocent civilians, worsened the plight of refugees, caused the conflict to spill over to neighboring nations, and inflamed anti-American sentiments around the world. Bombing errors have resulted in the deaths of refugees -- the very people we are supposed to be protecting. We acknowledge the terrible human suffering of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo -- suffering which has been exacerbated by our reckless attack on Yugoslavia. However, that tragedy does not justify American military intervention that puts our nation at risk. The job of the American military is to defend the United States and to keep Americans safe. Instead, our air assault on Yugoslavia has reduced our military preparedness, reignited Cold War tensions with Russia, and made us a more tempting target for terrorists. If the American people don't speak out, the war will continue to escalate, ground troops will be eventually be deployed, and American casualties will rise. If we don't want that to happen, we must persuade our representatives in Congress to stop the war now. Please forward this e-mail to everyone you know who might be interested in helping, but please don't send it indiscriminately -- spam will only hurt our campaign. Then go to our web page (http://www.StopTheWarNow.com) and sign the petition. Thank you. The Libertarian Party http://www.lp.org/ 2600 Virginia Ave. NW, Suite 100 voice: 202-333-0008 Washington DC 20037 fax: 202-333-0072 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Clinton don't approve of Milosevic's methods (fwd) Date: 04 May 1999 11:18:36 PST Do you know anyone down in Salt Lake City? We can't afford to let this sort of thing happen unremarked, anywhere, but we can't just jump salty over nothing either. On May 4, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Subj: Fwd: Salt Lake City - SWAT Teams attack park patrons Youth & Family Services; Held Hostage by Darlene Stewart. 201- 868-6237) >From: >Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:06:54 EDT >Subject: Fwd: Salt Lake City - SWAT Teams attack park patrons >To: elan@carroll.com > > >Return-Path: >Received: from rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (rly-zd01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.225]) > by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Mon, 03 May 1999 14:48:40 > -0400 >Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net > [207.217.120.12]) > by rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id OAA17758; > Mon, 3 May 1999 14:48:33 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from chuckm (1Cust60.tnt7.phoenix.az.da.uu.net [63.14.199.60]) > by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17885; > Mon, 3 May 1999 11:47:20 -0700 (PDT) >Message-Id: <199905031847.LAA17885@harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >Comments: Authenticated sender is >From: "Solutions International" >To: freedom@earthlink.net >Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:46:41 +0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Subject: Salt Lake City - SWAT Teams attack park patrons >Priority: normal >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) > >Dear Friends, > >A few days ago, I receive this rather disturbing e-mail forwarded >from a friend. It sounded so outlandish that I didn't feel >comfortable forwarding it at that point. However, I have now >confirmed this information is indeed true and is something to which >we should all pay close attention. This is an example of how >pseudo-Martial Law was implemented for all the wrong reasons in the >wrong place at the wrong time. Will we stand by and let more of this >abuse happen in other parts of the country? > >Please read and take whatever action you deem appropriate. > >Peace and Prosperity, > >Jeff > > > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 06:57:07 -0700 (PDT) >From: "L.D. Parable" >To: Jeffrey Howard > >Jeff, > >Please pass this along to your group: > >Date: 29 Apr 1999 18:44:46 GMT>Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberties >>To: BobHirschfeldJD@how2.org>Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com >>References: <01be914a$38d45700$e83384ce@kfvtjuml>>From: >itsmoi@aol.com (ItsMoi) >>Subject: MARSHALL LAW PROVEN IN UTAH SOS >>X-UIDL: 52ec387f2720c939c6c3935b4b99a4c9> >> My name is Claudia K. White. I am a 35 yo female, with a >Bachelorsdegree of >>science. I live in SLC, Utah. One week ago sunday Cheif of >policeOrtega, >>sent a swat teamm into Liberty park. The religious and the rest ofthe >>community go to the park every sunday. Which consists of >mostlyfamilies, >>Vetrans, indians, young teens and small children. ( This is our >1stamendment >>right).> The Swat team proceed to sweep the park as if it was Penn >State or >Ten..>Square. The Swat team was fully armed in riot gear and weapons. >People where>bulgened with billy clubs. Ticketed and force out of the >park. >> I personall y was attacked hit 6 times and was hit by a billy >clubwhich >>factured my fibula on my left leg. My library book " The >USConstitution and >>Case Summaries" was torn from my hands and ripped apart. >> We where marched out of the park by the Swat team. At no time >didwe resist >>arrest orshow any violence towards the officers. >> We left the boundaries of the park as ordered to do. At which >timewe got >>permission from the property owner ( approx 1300 so. & 600 East) >tostay on his >>property. He too goes to the drum circle. >> At this time cheif of Police Ortega arrived at the scene. >Ipersonally >>tried to reason with him to no avail. Police Cheif Ortega would >noteven speak >>with us, me or anyother Adult at the scene; for by this time >thecrowd had >>dispersed and only a handful of mostly under age kids where present. >> Cheif Ortega ordered his troops to began a military type attack >onthe crowd >>of teens and the few adults left. The officers, approximately 20 >withfull >>riot gear, had fully loaded semi automatic weapons pointed >executionstyle at >>our backs as they marched us off the private property and up the >cityowned >>street,( 4 city blocks) protecting themselves with bullet >proofsheilds. The >>Swat team forced us across the street to another park and left >thescene. >> At no time did the Police return and tell any of us we could >reenter the >>park to gather our belongings, our vehicles, or did they tend to >theinjured. >> . 16 citations were issued for alcohol and small amounts of >maujuana.None for >>weapons. The city as of this time has not taken any action >agianstOrtega the >>officers or Mayor Deedee Corridini, Nor offered any type of >publicapology. >> The Mayor, Cheif of police and the Governer hold equal liability >inthis >>incidence. For the evening before was Earthday at the Liberty Park. >> At the Earth Jam festival Mayor Deedee Corridini sent >arepresentative to >>speak on her and the IOC plans of building a apatheater in the park. >This >>would entail digging up a old burial ground and A historic home >ofIsaac Chase >>and Brigham Young, built in the early 1800's. >> I personally have contacted the ACLU and NPR radio. The News mediais >>rufusing to run this as a National emergency. >> The Attorney General of Utah< Jan Graham, has no Civil authority >inthe State >>of Utah. As Governer Mike Leavitt and the house of represntatives >ofUtah voted >>and stripped her of these rights. >> This proves the well known theory that the United States of >Americais no >>longer and hasn't been for quite sometime, governed by >theConstitution of the >>United States of America, nor Virginia Bill of Rights. Otherwise >putthe United >>States at least for the early 60's has been under Marshall Law. >APolice >>state, as was Vietnam. >> I believe I speak for all Americans when isay we are not >AntiPolice, We >>are Anti Police State. We are willing to give to Ceasar what >isCeasar's. >>But after that the federal government is requied to acts >asMagistrates, just >>and the Bill of rights directs them to do " Serve the People"..... >Inother >>worlds they are to be Noble and act as our waiters, (ie. servants,civil >>servants).> Please contact your Local and federal government on this >matter. >And please>contact the Media. As I have tried with no avail in Salt >Lake City >Utah. Be>reassured I have contacted everyone in my State and the ACLU. >> We all must speak out on this matter or the proverbial they >willcontinue >>running, destroying, and robbing us of our " inalienable, >infeasible"rights >>of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". >> I would also like to note on behalf of Utah State that Senator >OrinHatch, >>Mayor Deedee Corridini, and Cheif of Police Ortega, are not even >fromthe State >>of Utah. The aforementioned, Governer Mike Leavitt, President >Clintonand VP Al >>Gore. are refusing to face this as a matter of Nation Importance >andState of >>Emergency. This I hold to be of gross Maladministeration > >SOLUTIONS INTERNATIONAL >Maximizing Personal Potential >http://www.1999.com/solutions > >"No man is free until he learns to do his own thinking >and gains the courage to act on his own personal initiative." >- Napoleon Hill > A PUBLIC DEFENDER IS A "JUDAS GOAT" FIND AND POST THE LINCOLN PRIVATE PAPERS NON-CONSTITUTIONAL, AND UN-CONSTITUTIONAL ARE NOT THE SAME THING To receive posts from this list send an E-MAIL to me with the word "subscribe" in the subject box. To be removed from this list send a post to me with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject box. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: More Police State Horrors in Britain (fwd) Date: 04 May 1999 15:50:17 PST On May 4, Dr Sean Gabb wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is a review article by Edward Hume from the latest issue of Free Life: Explanatory Paper on Draft Regulations to Restrict the Use of Lead Shot Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions DETR, London, April 1999, 28pp., free (pbk) (No ISBN) Published on the 6th April 1999, this seems from its name a comparatively harmless proposal. The Regulations - effective as of the 1st September 1999 unless they are defeated - would ban the use of lead shot on "Sites of Special Scientific Interest" and below high water of ordinary spring tides, and ban the use of lead shot for hunting various game birds. It is regrettable that most laws nowadays are never debated in Parliament, but simply issue in the name of a Minister under some enabling act that may have been taken through Parliament but was never itself discussed there. It is regrettable that the authorities should not only have banned most guns from private ownership, but also be regulating the composition of what may be fired from the few that remain. Even so, this surely is small stuff compared with the horrors pouring almost daily out of the Home Office. Or is it? Let us look at Regulation 4: (1) A person who appears suitable to the Secretary of State or a local authority may be authorised in writing by the Secretary of State of that local authority to exercise, in accordance with the terms of the authorisation, any of the powers specified in paragraph (2) below for the purpose of determining whether any provision of these Regulations is being, or has been, complied with. These powers include: (a) to enter at any reasonable time any premises which he has reason to believe it is necessary for him to enter;... (c) to make such examination and investigation as may in any circumstances be necessary It is not necessary for authorised persons to obtain warrants for entry onto private property, or to have good cause for entry, or to be limited in what they may inspect and seize. There is provision made later on for obtaining warrants, but this is only if entry has been or probably will be refused and force may be needed to effect an entry. In any event, the mere act of requiring authorised persons to obtain warrants is to be a crime. According to Regulation 5(2), Any person who intentionally onstructs a person acting in the exercise of any power under regulation 4 above shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale. "Summary conviction" - that means trial by Magistrate, not by Jury, and therefore the near certainty of conviction without hearing. And just to complete the bundle of powers given to these authorised persons, see Regulation 4(9): An authorised person, including a person designated under paragraph (4) above, shall not be liable in any civil or criminal proceedings for anything done in the purported exercise of any power conferred by this regulation if the court is satisfied that the act was done in good faith and that there were reasonable grounds for doing so. We are talking, therefore, about an arbitrary power of entry, search and seizure, with criminal punishments for resistance, and no legal redress for abuse of this power. Not even under Jack Straw have the normal Police yet been given all the powers of a Gestapo. Such powers have been given to these faceless and uniformed authorised persons under a piece of delegated legislation that, but for the efforts of the Countryside Alliance, would have slid silently into the laws of this country. There are about 20,000 pages of other delegated legislation made every year in the same way. No one reads it all. No one knows what it contains. So much for parliamentary democracy! Edward Hume (Editor's Note: Comments on these proposed Regulations may be made in writing to Mr J. Chorley, DETR, Room 902a, Tollgate House, Houlton Street, Bristol, BS2 9DJ, Fax: 0117 987 8182, e-mail: species@detr.gsi.gov.uk. Comments should reach Mr Chorley before the 14th May 1999. The Countryside Alliance can be reached on 0171 582 5432. -- Dr Sean Gabb | "Over himself, over his own | E-mail: old.whig@virgin.net | body and mind, the individual| | is sovereign" | Mobile Number: 0956 472199 | J.S. Mill, On Liberty, 1859 | [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Let the PTA know your th (fwd) Date: 05 May 1999 08:40:04 PST On May 4, by way of Douglas Davis wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The national PTA has come out in support of Clintons anti-gun agenda. See the item below to find out how you can provide your feedback. You can also find what others think. When I checked it, there were a lot of posts from our side of the issue. David Adams NRA-ILA-EVC, VA 7th http://www.geocities.com/CaptiolHill/Senate/8358/ ______________________________________________ At http://www.pta.org/programs/crisis/stand.htm the National PTA takes this position on firearms, and are using the Littleton event to drum up support: Firearms Due to the increasing ease of access to firearms and the lack of firearm safety awareness programs, PTAs are encouraged to alert parents and communities to the harm of handgun violence, and to collaborate with other groups concerned with gun violence. National PTA supports a waiting period for the purchase of any firearm and opposes the manufacturing and/or ownership of certain semiautomatic assault weapons, look-alike weapons, non-powder firearms, and Saturday Night Specials. If you want to let them know what you think, go to their "Sound Off" page at: http://www.pta.org/programs/crisis/soundoff.idc ****Owning a firearm is a RIGHT, not a privilege**** The NRA ILA EVC closed mailing list is NOT an official list of the NRA, but is offered as a tool by Jim Kendall (WA-1st District EVC) and Telebyte NW. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send an email request to NRA-1st@telebyte.com *********** Victory 1998! *************** __________________ Robert P. Firriolo ****************** Why do liberals trust the bad guys to be good and expect the law- abiding to be bad? ****************** Firearms, self-defense, and other information, with LINKS are available at: http://shell.rmi.net/~davisda Latest additions are found in the group NEW with alerts under the heading ALERTS. Previous E-mail message are being archived. ******************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Another School-Yard Killing Date: 05 May 1999 08:57:39 PST << Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 4:47 AM Subject: Another Shcool-Yard Killing >Strange how this one did not get ANY press play. Even the headline >down-plays the intent of the driver. ... Warren >> >CAR HITS SCHOOLYARD; 2 TODDLERS DIE > >By Deborah Hastings >Associated Press Writer >Tuesday, May 4, 1999; 7:05 p.m. EDT > >COSTA MESA, Calif. (AP) -- A man who told police he wanted to `execute'' >innocent children plowed through a day care center playground with his >car, killing two toddlers and injuring five people, authorities say. > >When the big Cadillac finally came to a stop, pinning several children >underneath, he calmly sat behind the wheel until police arrested him >Monday. > >'`Why he picked yesterday, why he picked this school, why he picked >these kids, we don't know,'' Lt. Ron Smith said Tuesday. > >Steven Allen Abrams, 39, of Santa Ana was arrested for investigation of >murder and assault with a deadly weapon after driving his car into the >Southcoast Early Childhood Learning Center schoolyard. He was held >without bail pending his arraignment Wednesday. > >``I was going to execute these children because they were innocent,'' >Abrams told detectives, according to Smith. > >Abrams didn't know anyone in the school but was familiar with the >neighborhood, where he lived five years ago before a split with his >girlfriend, Smith said. He was eventually convicted of stalking the >woman. > >``In his mind he associated the school with the neighborhood he used to >live in,'' Smith said. > >Sierra Soto, 4, and Brandon Wiener, 3, were killed. Nicholas McHardy, 2, >and Victoria Sherman, 5, were in critical condition with head injuries. >Danielle Knecht, a 24-year-old teacher's aide, was in fair condition >with a broken leg. > >Two other children, ages 2 and 3, were treated for scrapes and bruises >and released. > >`I've been a cop for 20 years and I have never seen anything where >someone deliberately drove a car into a playground and killed children. >It's unfathomable to me,'' Smith said. > >Abrams worked at a concert ticket agency that was owned by his >brother-in-law. > >Forty-five minutes before the schoolyard killings, he rammed his car >into another vehicle that cut him off on a freeway, Smith said. > >At the day care center, an angry crowd of neighbors, parents and workers >from a nearby church jeered as he was led away in handcuffs. > >There was no sign Abrams was under the influence of drugs or alcohol, >police said. > >Meanwhile, the school was closed indefinitely Tuesday, and a memorial >service was scheduled for Wednesday night at the church across the >street. > >A shrine formed at the school -- a mount of bouquets, balloons, stuffed >animals and cards. A cross erected in the playground read, ``Dear God, >please protect our children.'' > >``A man who would do something like this doesn't deserve to live,'' said >Ann Pecora, fighting back tears as gripped the hand of her 4-year-old >daughter, Gina, who was one of the lucky toddlers Monday. -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: From the Denver Post, about parents of the Tec-9 seller Date: 05 May 1999 09:31:12 PST Well, there we have it. Now where are the headlines, "Anti-Gun Morons raise Colorado Killer"? Perhaps some sort of bumper sticker or protest sign could made out of this: "Gon Owners raise responsible kids, Gun Controllers raise Colorado KILLERS!" Hmmmmm, maybe with a little work..... On May 5, RHill@MICKEY.GC.WHECN.EDU wrote: >http://www.denverpost.com/news/shot0505c.htm > > >Ransome said Manes' parents, Diann and Michael, are devastated. > >Diann Manes is a longtime member of the anti-handgun group Handgun Control. > >"Their feelings and prayers go out to everybody affected by the events at >Columbine,'' Ransome said. "Mark grew up in a house where no weapons were >present. Both parents preached to Mark the evilness of handguns.'' > >Ransome said he couldn't explain "Mark's fascination with handguns.'' Maybe >it was a child's rebellion against his parents. "Mom said one thing and he >did another.'' > >The lawyer said he expects his client will plead guilty to some charge. -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Thomas Sowell - Holding parents responsible (fwd) Date: 05 May 1999 11:41:59 PST On May 5, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 8:49 AM May 4, 1999 /18 Iyar 5759 Thomas Sowell Holding parents responsible OF ALL THE IRRATIONAL IDEAS that have been thrown around in the wake of the high school shootings in Littleton, Colorado, one of the most reckless is the proposal to hold parents legally responsible for what their children do. Whether the particular parents of the particular young killers who committed this particular massacre had knowledge in advance that would make them criminally liable is something for a court of law to decide. What is at issue is whether parents in general should be held legally liable for their children's acts. Responsibility and control go together. For decades now, our laws and our educational system have consistently undermined parental authority. Yet new legal responsibilities for parents are being proposed after parental control has been eroded. Preschoolers are taught that their parents have no right to spank them. All sorts of propaganda programs in the schools -- from so-called "drug prevention" to "sex education" -- stress that each individual makes his or her own decisions, independently of parental or societal values. Most people have no idea how pervasive and unremitting are the efforts to drive a wedge between children and their parents and to replace parental influence with the influence of teachers, counselors and even the children's similarly immature peers. Many of the books, movies, and other materials used in the public schools mock parents as old windbags who are behind the times. "Trust-building" exercises teach students to rely on their classmates. Handing out condoms in school and giving girls abortions behind their parents' backs are just isolated manifestations of this underlying philosophy, which reaches far beyond sexual matters. Nor are these just idiosyncrasies of particular teachers or schools. There are nationwide networks -- some of them government-sponsored -- which have disseminated pre-packaged programs designed to wean school children away from the values with which they have been raised and mold them to the values of self-anointed agents of "change." The materials used and the things said in these materials would simply have to be seen to be believed. I certainly would never have imagined such things before doing research for my book "Inside American Education." My assistant said she had trouble sleeping after seeing some of the movies shown to school children. Invasions of family privacy with diary assignments and other intrusions are all part of the same mindset. So are groups like the so-called Children's Defense Fund, which seek legal powers to impose their notions of how children should be raised. Hillary Clinton's pious hokum that "it takes a village" to raise a child is more of the same. What all these efforts have in common, aside from an arrogant presumption of superiority, is a drive for power without responsibility. They don't even take responsibility for their own activities, which are hidden, denied or camouflaged. Above all, they are not prepared to be held accountable for the consequences of their playing with children's minds. Columbine High School was in the news long before the recent tragic shootings there. It was featured in a "20/20" broadcast about "death education" back in 1991. This macabre subject is one of the endless procession of brainwashing programs that are taking up time sorely needed for academic work in schools across the country. One of the Columbine students who is now grown blames the course's morbid preoccupation with death for her own unsuccessful attempt at suicide. Zealots who are pushing New Age notions of death under the guise of "education" are undeterred by parental protests that their children are having nightmares or depression. The "educators" who have been on a brainwashing ego trip have done their best to cover their own tracks. Manuals accompanying some of these programs show how to evade and mislead parents and the public. Running through all these programs is the notion that morality is optional: If it feels good to you, do it! We will never know how good it felt to those young killers to shoot down those around them. Nor can we know how much the school's own reckless experiments with brainwashing contributed to the tragedy. But it is truly galling to have those who have been undermining both morality and parents for years now demand that parents be held legally responsible for the acts of their children. (JWR) ---- (http://www.jewishworldreview.com) [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Economist editorial on privacy in the information age Date: 05 May 1999 15:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Good editorial here on the terrors and travails of essentially no privacy in the electronic age. jcurtis http://www.economist.com/editorial/freeforall/current/sf1247.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: One injured at Columbine was Shooter..If he'd only had his (fwd) Date: 06 May 1999 10:45:40 PST I'm not sure about how to find out what their e-addr is, but most hospitals are connected to the internet these days, so maybe someone can arrainge for Sean and others to have a temporary email account there at the horse pistol. Just a thought..... On May 5, by way of Joe Sylvester wrote: >Posted by Screw the Anti's on May 02, 1999 at 18:44:26: >If you were a shooter and needed to recuperate in a hospital, wouldn't it >help you to know there were other shooters out there pulling for you ? > >Sean Graves, 15, was injured critically in the Columbine HS shootings. His >status has been upgraded to serious and improving. He is a member of High >Plains Marksmen, a CMP club in Colorado. >Letters and cards can be sent to: >Sean Graves >c/o Swedish Hospital >501 E. Hampden Ave. >Englewood, Co 80110 >or faxed to (303) 788-6029 >Let him know we care! >******************************** > > >Dennis J. (Joe) Sylvester >Senior Research Engineer >Div. 09 X2188 >DJSylvester@swri.org -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: LEGISLATIVE ALERT (fwd) Date: 06 May 1999 21:40:04 PST On May 6, Paul A. Miller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ----- Forwarded message from Neal Knox ----- May 6 Legislative Alert Congress has put gun legislation on a high-speed track. The present plan is for the Senate to vote May 18-20 on a string of gun and other amendments to the Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Act, which is up for reauthorization. The House will vote on the bill the following week. Some are talking about having a bill on President Clinton_s desk before the Memorial Day recess. I can_t believe Congress will move that quickly, but this thing will be moving quickly. Amendments will be offered to cover everything from total registration to one-gun-per-month to "instant check" on private gun show and black powder transfers, and about everything else you can think of. To set the tone, Clinton will have a White House conference Monday, but I don_t know who all will be there. According to one report I picked up from a reliable source this morning, the Republican leaders have agreed to the accelerated schedule, but they_re trying to talk about the cultural problems that cause kids to shoot their classmates, while the Democrats are focussing on guns and gun laws. House Judiciary Chairman Henry Hyde, who will hold hearings next week, is no friend of gunowners. A lot more Republicans are trying to put togeter a "proactive package," which scares me. NRA staff has virtually agreed to some of the less-sweeping provisions that have been proposed, judging from Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre_s speech Saturday. This is coming from the Columbine High School massacre, of course, for the anti-gun crowd is never happier, nor more effective, than when dancing in the fresh blood of victims. SPREAD THE WORD [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Littleton: Another Perspective (fwd) Date: 07 May 1999 08:09:39 PST On May 7, BludyRed@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] WHAT DOES COLUMBINE SAY ABOUT US? The president said yesterday that the tragedy at Columbine should make us look critically at ourselves as a society and as a nation. That we should search out our obvious weaknesses and failings as a people and as a culture. The president saw Tuesday as a day of national shame. I don't see it that way at all. I look at Columbine and I am proud to be an American. I am touched and inspired by the goodness and courage of average people, and the extent to which decency and faith spring from the American breast. I mean no disrespect, and I am not overlooking the great pain Tuesday's carnage wrought on so many lives and families, but as I look at what happened in Littleton I see proof not that things are going wrong in America, but that things are going right. Countless people, from Joe and Betty America to their politicians and commentators, have waxed gravely about what the Columbine murders "say about us." A Utah state legislator said it all started when "they took prayer out of schools." Rosie O'Donnell ranted angrily that we must "stand up to the NRA." A minister at a Denver memorial service said "gun manufacturers must be held accountable for this tragedy." For two days on my radio show I have heard from people who blame abortion, poor parenting, a lack of personal responsibility, Bill Clinton, liberals in general and a growing lack of spirituality in our society. Each of them has seen some great flaw in the American heart that gave rise to the butchers of Columbine. And each of them has been wrong. Because to see the two murderers and the evil they did as a product of our national soul, and then to simultaneously ignore the hundreds of heroes and the goodness they did is to misrepresent the truth. If the tiny evil minority is a product of this society, so too is the overwhelming good majority. If you look at our failures, you must also look at our successes. I'm humbled to belong to a society which produced a hero teacher who, shot through the chest, his lifeblood glugging away, led a group of students to the barricaded safety of a classroom. For three and a half hours, as he knew he was dying, he calmed the students, and gave them direction. I am proud to know that my country raised the youngsters who clustered around that teacher, tending his wounds as best they could, keeping him conscious, using a cellular phone to call paramedics for advice. I am honored to share citizenship with the boy who thought to pull out the teacher's wallet so that he might look upon pictures of his family as he fought to stay alive. It was this culture which produced another teacher, his charges hiding in a room, brave enough to stand with nothing more than a fire extinguisher to drive away a threat to his students' safety. The teen-agers who knelt to shield and comfort their wounded classmates grew up in this society. As they carried the injured to safety and stopped to pray with the frightened, they were acting out of a set of values they learned as Americans. One boy in the library threw himself on top of a fellow student, whispering to her to be calm, saying he would protect her body with his own. That boy, that hero, grew up in a world with legal guns, violent video games, hateful rock'n'roll, no prayer in schools, countless abortions, grizzly movies, Bill Clinton in the White House and record divorce rates. Yet he, and hundreds of others, acted with the purest of human virtues and in a noble and selfless fashion. What does that "say about us?" It says we are a good people. And while we have weaknesses and challenges, we are fundamentally strong. Our heart is essentially good, our children are raised with natural decency. Lunch ladies shouted directions for students to flee, ninth-graders organized into groups for protection, children's cell phones told cops where the shooting was and when it had died down. And in the wake of it all, children with shattered lives stood before cameras and politely and clearly told a nation what they had seen. Strong enough to care, strong enough to endure, strong enough to witness. As the tears are wiped away and the shock and grief begin to fade, Columbine will leave me with pride. Pride in the students and teachers of that suburban school, one little community that represents us all. With dignity, compassion and courage. The America those kids grew up in helped them to be some of the best and strongest people in the world. They are not the product of a failed society, they are the offspring of the greatest culture and nation on earth. The president who saw no flaw in himself is too quick to see a flaw in us. Those who hate our way of life, or who seek to use tragedy to advance their political causes, will see deep trouble in the American soul. But their perception is not true. It doesn't reflect us, it reflects them. This is a good land. We are a good people. The children we raise are overwhelmingly decent and pure. For us to mistakenly assert otherwise is to deny them and their virtue. It is to deny the testament of the heroes of Columbine. - by Bob Lonsberry c 1999 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RAPTUS: [Fwd: If I Were the Devil...by Paul Harvey] (fwd) Date: 07 May 1999 22:54:10 PST On May 07, Krioni wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > "If I Were the Devil..." by Paul Harvey > >If I were the Prince of Darkness, I would want to engulf the whole world in >darkness. And I would have one-third of the real estate and four-fifths of >the population , but I wouldn't be happy until I had the ripest apple on the >tree. So I'd set about, however necessary, to take over the United States. > >I'd subvert the churches first; I'd begin with a campaign of whispers. >With the wisdom of a serpent I would whisper to you as I whispered to Eve: >"Do as you please." > >To the youth I would whisper, "The Bible is a myth." > >I would convince them that man made God instead of the other way around. > >I would confide that what's bad is good and what's good is "square." > >In the ears of the young married I would whisper that work is debasing, >that cocktail parties are good for you. > >And to the old I would teach to pray after me: "Our Father, who art in >Washington..." > >And then I'd get organized; I'd educate authors in how to make lurid >literature exciting, so that everything else would appear dull and >uninteresting. > >I'd threaten television with dirtier movies and vice versa. > >I'd peddle narcotics to whom I could; I'd sell alcohol to ladies and >gentlemen of distinction; I'd tranquilize the rest with pills. > >If I were the Devil I'd soon have families at war with themselves, >churches at war with themselves, and nations at war with themselves; until >each in its turn was consumed. And with promises of higher ratings I'd have >mesmerizing media fanning the flames. > >If I were the Devil I'd encourage schools to refine young intellects but >neglect to discipline emotions: let those run wild. Before you know it, >you'd have to have drug-sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every school >house door. Within a decade I'd have prisons overflowing. > >With flattery and promises of power I would get the courts to do what I >construe as against God and in favor of pornography. > >I'd designate an atheist to front for me before the highest courts and I'd >get the preachers to say, "She's right." Thus, I could evict God from the >courthouse, then from the school house, and then from the Houses of >Congress. > >And in His own churches I would substitute psychology for religion and >deify science. I would lure priests and pastors into misusing boys, girls, >and church money. > >If I were the Devil I would make the symbol of Easter an egg and the >symbol of Christmas a bottle. > >If I were the Devil I'd take from those who have and give it to those who >want it, until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious. > >What'll you bet that I couldn't get whole States to promote gambling as >the way to get rich? > >I would caution against extremes: in hard work, in patriotism, and in >moral conduct. > >I would convince the youth that marriage is old-fashioned, but swinging is >more fun; that what you see on television is the way to be; and thus I could >undress you in public and I could lure you into bed where there are diseases >for which there is no cure. > >Then I would separate families, putting children in uniform, women in coal >mines and objectors in slave-labor camps. > >In other words, if I were the Devil, I'd just keep doing what he's doing. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: SLICK: An idea whose time has come (fwd) Date: 07 May 1999 22:54:59 PST On May 8, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Just in case you are the only one on the internet who doesn't know who Ron Paul is, he's one the new generation of conservative Congressmen=20 that the mass media thinks is an aberration of the electoral process.=20 Rather than tell you why I like and respect the man, I'll let him tell you=20 him self. Rich Martin Editor of Slick Liberty Study Committee Dear Friend of Liberty - Rep. Ron Paul asks,=20 "Will you help me save America from the United Nations?" I have reintroduced H.R. 1146 - American Sovereignty=20 Restoration Act of 1999. Last year, the Establishment was taken=20 by surprise when we got 54 votes in favor of getting us out of the U.N. This year, if we do our job, we can leave the hate-America=20 bureaucrats at the U.N.in shock. Here's the plan on how we get things moving. Legislation has sponsors and co-sponsors. I'm the sponsor of H.R. 1146. =20 Co-sponsors are other U.S. House Members who put their names=20 on the legislation after it is written to say, "Yes, I'm for this too!" Like ground troops in hand-to-hand battle, the more co-sponsors=20 we have signed up with the American Sovereignty Restoration=20 Act of 1999, the better our chances of breaking through enemy=20 Lines. Make no mistake, the enemies of freedom will be armed with all=20 the dirty tricks in the book of Capitol-Hill politics. They will try=20 to kill our legislation before it can come up for a vote. Why? Because H.R. 1146 would shut down the U.N.=20 Headquarters and cut off all American funding for the U.N. Including all of its agencies as well as its funding and participation In U.N. "peacekeeping" operations. H.R. 1146 would also revoke Diplomatic immunity for U.N. bureaucrats. H.R. 1146 makes our message crystal clear: U.S. out of the U.N. The global-government types will go nuts. Here's our strategy. Each Member of Congress who voted for=20 H.R. 1146 last year should be urged to become a co-sponsor this=20 Year. Please contact your Representative first, and then as many=20 others as you can. The more co-sponsors we have, the better=20 chance we have for victory. (If you do not know the name of your Representative, send the number of your district, and state, and we will supply you with the name) We're already ahead of the game with 14 current co-sponsors. =20 But that's not good enough. If you do your job now, we have a=20 chance to get over 50 co-sponsors of this legislation to ditch=20 the U.N. This means your Liberty Study Committee is open for business - with a BANG. Our mission is=85to improve the well-being of=20 humankind by defending and advancing liberty. Can you think of a better way of accomplishing our mission than by defending=20 American Sovereignty? Since its founding 52 years ago, Americans have poured over=20 $30 billion into the U.N. monstrosity. Americans pay 25% of all U.N. bills and a whopping 31%of all "peacekeeping" costs. Now, U.N. bureaucrats want $2 billion in "back dues" and the=20 Right to tax us directly on airline tickets, phone calls and=20 international transactions! They want to put their hand directly=20 into our pockets without having to go through the U.S. Congress=20 to pay for their lavish lifestyles=85And I haven't even mentioned=20 the U.N. "standby" army for which the Clinton administration=20 gave the U.N. seed money last year. =85And all this says nothing about the U.N. conventions and=20 treaties that endanger individual rights and are designed to take=20 control of U.S. lands and property rights, as well as regulate=20 human behavior. Help me tell the globalists: "Pack your bags!" You are a Liberty Study Committee activist. What you do today =20 Counts for Liberty tomorrow. I have good news! Over 10 fellow Members of Congress have=20 officially signed up with the LSC team! That's twice the number=20 we had expected. I'll be writing more about who these courageous and determined fellow crusaders are. This is an important moment. You have a decision to make. Will you tell other like-minded=20 friends about the Liberty Study Committee? Show them this letter. Urge them to sign up as an activist. Make up your mind to take this letter to three more potential=20 activists and become a recruiter for Liberty. Ask your friends to=20 send me their address, telephone, fax and E-mail information so=20 they can promptly receive "Liberty Updates" and "Liberty Alerts." Use the address and E-mail below to contact me. Have them mail or E-mail that information as soon as possible. This information is vital as very often we have only 24-hours notice before an=20 important vote. The enemies of freedom know this time constraint=20 makes it difficult to rally our troops which is the very reason they=20 spring critical votes on us with little notice! We're organizing the resistance! You are working with us, ten=20 other Members of the U.S. House of Representatives and with=20 thousands of other Americans - who have had enough. It's up to=20 you. Contact as many Members of the Congress as possible,=20 encourage them to co-sponsor H.R. 1146. Next, recruit three=20 friends, and their three friends to help swell the ranks of the Army=20 of Liberty. E-mail: p51@wi.net Address: Liberty Study Committee PO Box 085692 Racine, WISC 53408-5682 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: U.S. Senate Vote Coming (fwd) Date: 10 May 1999 08:32:49 PST On May 10, ASSETNJ@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Reply-To: Gun Owners of America U.S. Senate Set To Vote On Gun Control -- Ask your Senator to oppose Clinton's anti-gun agenda Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org (Friday, May 7, 1999)-- It's been a busy week. You guys did an outstanding job directing attention upon the Second Amendment compromises occurring in Austin, Texas. Gov. George Bush's office stated they received hundreds upon hundreds of phone calls and other contacts from concerned gun owners. This sends a tremendous message to a man who aspires to the presidency in the year 2000. But now it's time to shift your focus from Texas to Washington, D.C. As you well know, the Colorado tragedy has spawned a feeding frenzy among the political left, and next week, gun control is going to be the topic in the United States Senate. Debate over a juvenile crime bill (S. 254) is scheduled to begin on Tuesday. Your hard work last year has resulted in the virtual sanitizing of this crime bill. But the greatest danger now is that many Senators are planning to offer anti-gun amendments-- many of them containing the President's proposals. Legislative contacts in the Senate have told GOA that some Republicans are wilting. Some feel that they have to vote for something; that they have to support some kind of gun control. So it is important that you start contacting your Senators right away. According to legislative and media sources on Capitol Hill, four issues where Republican Senators could "buckle under" are the following: imposing instant "registration" checks for private sales at gun shows, banning the imports of large-capacity magazines, banning young adults from possessing semi-autos, and holding parents responsible for crimes that a minor commits with their firearm. To make matters worse, former NRA first Vice President Neal Knox reported in the Shotgun News (6/1/99) that the NRA might be willing to consider extending the instant check to private sales at gun shows. Knox writes that at the recent NRA convention in Denver: "[NRA Executive Vice President Wayne] LaPierre clearly offered a compromise with President Clinton's campaign to require 'Instant Checks' on private sales at gun shows. He said: 'We will consider instant checks at gun shows when, and only when, this Administration stops demanding new gun taxes and stops illegally compiling the records of millions of lawful gun buyers.' "President Charlton Heston went even further this morning on ABC 'This Week' by saying he was 'in favor' of gun show background checks if the government does not keep records on buyers." If this is the NRA's official position, it will make it very difficult for Senators to see that background checks are ALWAYS a constitutional infringement, and to see that such checks will ALWAYS give officials an opportunity to register gun buyers-- regardless of how many "protections" are printed in the law. [Note: USA Today also reported Heston's position on the young adult gun ban (one of the amendments mentioned above that Republicans might help pass). The paper reported today (5/7/99) that "NRA President Charlton Heston says he supports a ban on juvenile possession of semiautomatic assault weapons"-- or in other words, a ban on any semi-auto Clinton deems is politically incorrect.] Senate staffers have told GOA that Senators not only need to hear opposition to gun control from the grassroots, but that Senators need to hear what they can vote IN FAVOR of-- what they can support. GOA has responded in the following manner: Support a repeal of the School Zones Gun Ban. This law, prohibiting the possession of a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school, has not stopped kids from shooting up schools. But it does threaten to penalize decent Americans like Joel Myrick of Pearl, Mississippi who used his firearm to subdue a gunman in 1997. Good people should not have to face the prospects of felony charges for defending the lives of others. Consider how absurd such a ban would be if we applied it to cars. More Americans die in cars than by guns every year. And just recently, a nut in California intentionally ran over several children on a play ground-- killing two. Should we now ban cars within 1,000 feet of a schoolyard? Why are these suggestions absurd when applied to cars, but not to guns? HERE'S WHAT TO DO: Please contact your two Senators (202-224-3121; see the GOA website for fax and e-mail info). Ask them to vote against any and all infringements of the Second Amendment-- no matter how "minor" the infringement may appear on its face. Ask them to support a repeal of the Gun Free Zones law which punishes law-abiding citizens for defending themselves-- and which does nothing to keep guns out of the "wrong hands." P.S. There is also a proposal being considered in some Senate offices that would halt the march toward more gun control by requiring a two-thirds supermajority vote in the U.S. Senate before any gun control measure can be considered. It is unclear at this time whether such a proposal has enough votes to pass. But such a requirement would permanently destroy the effectiveness of HCI in the Congress' most powerful chamber. Moreover, this requirement would have ample precedent in the U.S. Senate, since currently spending caps can be exceeded only if a Senate supermajority allows it to happen. This should also pass Constitutional muster under Article I, Section 5. While your Senator might not have heard about this proposal yet, you can make him or her favorably predisposed to it by mentioning your support of the idea. P.P.S. Handgun Control, Inc. is also asking its members to call the Senate. It's important that you show your Senators that there are more of the good guys who support the Constitution. ************** Did someone else forward this to you? To be certain of getting up to date information, please consider subscribing to the GOA E-Mail Alert Network directly. There is no cost or obligation, and the volume of mail is quite low. To subscribe, simply send a message to goamail@gunowners.org and include the state in which you live, in either the subject or the body. To unsubscribe, reply to any alert and ask to be removed. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Legislative Auto-E-Mail (fwd) Date: 10 May 1999 15:30:22 PST On May 10, Paul A. Miller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >From another list.... ----Forwarded Message(s)---- Grass Roots South Carolina has set up an auto E-mailer with prewritten letters to Senators and Representatives opposing more gun legislation in response to the Colorado incident. It's easy to use because all you have to do is highlight your Senators and Represenatives and hit the send button to automatically send them a pre-written letter. Try it and blitz their e-mail boxes on this issue - it will only take you 30 seconds! The Auto-E-mailer can be found at: http://www.scfirearms.org/mailer/fed/mailerx.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 5/10 (fwd) Date: 10 May 1999 22:40:46 PST On May 10, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Don't forget to check out The McGehee Clan website http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/family/ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 11:16 AM The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU=C9 - May 10, 1999 Now on the Web at http://members.aol.com/educintel/eia + Over the weekend NEA held one of its semi-annual collective bargaining conferences, this time in Albuquerque, New Mexico. The agenda illustrated= the continuing tug-of-war between new unionism and old. The 24 workshops were split fairly evenly between collaboration and confrontation. There were seminars on interest-based bargaining, labor-management partnerships and "win-win bargaining" (in which one of the steps was the helpful "develop options to satisfy interests on pertinent issues"). But other sessions we= re keeping with the industrial union tradition -- in fact, the keynote speak= er was a representative of the Industrial Areas Foundation, which was create= d in 1939 by labor legend Saul Alinsky. The juxtaposition of new unionism and old led to some amusing contrasts. In one room, a staffer from the Indiana State Teachers Associa= tion discussed "different approaches that have been used successfully to inspi= re school boards to negotiate," while in another room, officials of NEA's lo= cal affiliate in Las Cruces, New Mexico, talked about strategies to elect pro-education school board members (a month too late for the Milwaukee union). In still another room, people from the Fairfax Education Associat= ion in Virginia advised participants about the techniques they used to obtain "the clout to elect school board members who work in collaboration with F= EA." Clearly, negotiation and collaboration are a lot easier with school board members hand-picked by the union. No NEA conference would be complete without at least one workshop with the word "Attacks" in the title (in this case, "Attacks on Collectiv= e Bargaining" by Tom Taylor of the Michigan Education Association) and NEA staffer Lee Berg's traveling voucher conspiracy show (by now, most NEA officials can probably identify J. Patrick Rooney in a line-up). But Berg's presentation was not as out of place as it may seem. Collective bargaining may have been the topic of the conference, but vouc= hers were very much the topic of conversation outside the conference room. NEA= has just finished court battles in Arizona and Maine (one loss, one win) and = both may be reviewed by the U.S. Supreme Court. Its affiliates are fighting voucher legislation in Florida, Texas, Pennsylvania and New Mexico. And seemingly out of nowhere came the passage of a voucher bill in Louisiana'= s Senate Education Committee. Teachers' unions are being fed a steady diet = of school voucher bills and they don't like it. Voucher supporters and opponents are spending vast amounts of time and resources on the issue. EIA asks this question: With opposing forces fully engaged in a voucher frontal assault, who will be the first to try = to work an agenda item around the flank? + Last week, EIA reported on the plans of the Washington Education Association to put a cost-of-living raise initiative on the state ballot. Other labor unions, including the Washington Federation of Teachers, immediately opposed the idea. Over the weekend, WEA delegates voted by a = 2 to 1 margin to abandon the initiative. WEA President Lee Ann Prielipp showed= the usual gift of understatement required of a union president when a leaders= hip initiative is about to go down in flames. "I'd say that they have some mi= xed feelings," Prielipp told The Columbian before the delegate vote. + WEA has other problems. The union is on trial in a suit brought by the Evergreen Freedom Foundation, a conservative public policy foundation. EF= F charges that WEA is, in itself, a "political committee" as defined by sta= te law and is subject to the same reporting requirements as other political committees. + Lu Battiglieri, a Michigan representative on the NEA Board of Director= s, was elected the new president of the Michigan Education Association. Battiglieri plans to "step up efforts to expose and challenge the motives= of the critics of public education." God knows the union hasn't been doing enough of that lately. + Union elections in Newark, New Jersey, led to a lawsuit filed by the presidential challenger and her slate of candidates. Antoinette Baskervil= le, running for the presidency of the Newark Teachers Union against incumbent Joseph Del Grosso, filed a defamation suit for statements made in Del Grosso's campaign literature. The literature reportedly claims Baskervill= e and her caucus have misappropriated millions of dollars in union dues. "I= t's beyond distortion," Baskerville told the Newark Star-Ledger. "It's fabrication. I think they're desperate and totally unable to stand on the issues." Ballots will be counted on May 21. + Unusual reports can lead to unusual reviews. Case in point: the review= of Rotten Apples: School Crime from a Different Angle by Michael J. Petrilli= of the Thomas B. Fordham Foundation in the foundation's quarterly compendium Selected Readings on School Reform. "Antonucci reports on sex and drug offenses, violence, thievery, cheating, and false accusations," Petrilli writes. "The examples he cites are sometimes stomach-turning. Reading thi= s report is, in fact, so painful that we do not exactly recommend it. But w= e should all heed its lesson: school people can be criminals, too, and all schools certainly need systems to screen out the 'rotten apples' and to m= ake sure our kids are protected." Rotten Apples and EIA's latest report, Measure for Measure: A Magnified Look at Standardized Test Scores (no stomach-turning, but could hurt your brain), are still available through the mail from EIA. + Quote of the Week #1: "Voucher programs would allow for splintering al= ong ethnic and racial lines. Our primary concern is that voucher programs cou= ld end up resembling the ethnic cleansing now occurring in Kosovo." -- David Berliner, dean of Arizona State University's College of Education, speaki= ng before the New Mexico Legislature. + Quote of the Week #2: "There are few things in education you can't fix with common sense." -- Gayle Fallon, president of the Houston Federation = of Teachers. Amen, Ms. Fallon. If only we could increase both the supply and= the demand. # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, analysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. = Fax: 916-392-1482. E-Mail: EducIntel@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: We are the scapegoats... (fwd) Date: 10 May 1999 22:42:42 PST On May 10, Jim Zoes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] True. We are definitely the scapegoats on t.p.g However, gun owners are giving it back. Since the gun grabbers are being uncivil, so are gun owners. Personally, I've not been holding back with those a**holes. I'm especially relishing the fact that the child of an HCI activist is a gun runner. I've also taken a shot at Dick Durbin (which I posted here). And, I've gone after my local media. I'm holding just short of advocating that gun grabbers and those who *still* support Clinton (and I've run into a few via private email), be taken outside, and given 20 lashes with a whip made of barbed wire. Sweet reason isn't going to work any more....and I'm no longer reasonable. In my non-so-humble opinion, we need to get in the media's face, in the gun grabbers faces, and defend our position. We need to remind them that *WE* didn't kill anyone. We didn't sell gun to teen aged killers and that won't tolerate being scapegoats. All gun owners must become as unreasonable as hell when dealing with those who advocate "sensible gun controls" -- even if they are friends and relatives. Being reasonable hasn't worked, didn't work, and won't work. It's time for 80 million gun owners to start being pushy and unreasonable.... I like Don Cline's tag line: "Do you have the right to free speech?" "Yes." "Do you own a gun?" "No." "Shut up. ------------------------ From: ataylor@nmsu.edu Subject: We are the scapegoats... Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:03:52 -0600 To: fap@world.std.com > I've been dipping into talk.politics.guns > a bit lately, and the level of sheer hatred > aimed at anyone who owns a firearm is as high > or higher than immediately after the OKC bombing. > > Many, if not most, of the most vituperative, > nasty, and ugly posters call themselves "liberal". > Such subject lines as: > > "JOIN THE NRA:: FREE HIGH SCHOOL MASSACRE" > and > "LITTLETON IS THE NRA'S GODDAM FAULT" > > to pick but two examples, are common. Many of > the posters are the same people who, in other > newsgroups, routinely denounce "hate speech", > and call for understanding, peace, and caring. > > I would like to personally invite anyone who reads > this e-list that claims to be a liberal (I know > that some are lurking...) to go and sample these > threads, then please explain to me why I should > not regard the word "liberal" to be a synonym > for "lying, hate-filled hypocrite". > > Please explain this to me. I'm clearly just too > stupid to figure it out on my own. > > ataylor@nmsu.edu ---------------End of Original Message----------------- Jim Zoes Date: Sunday, May 09, 1999 10:27 PM >> >> >>>I just got back from our weekend gun show here in Las Vegas. What >>>excitement!!! A news crew sent a 17 year old in to buy a gun, a rifle, >>>which he did from a private individual. The guy selling it did ask for >>>and was given ID, but apparently failed to add the years right. He was >>>wired and had hidden cameras filming him. As he started to leave, he >>>was apprehended by the local police AND they ended up busting the whole >>>crew, cameraman, reporter and all!!!!! Tomorrow morning they are having >>>a meeting with the district attorney to see just how many charges can be >>>leveled against them. Dan rattled off a bunch of charges in our >>>conversation. He is the head of the pawn detail, which works with the >>>pawn and gun shops here, and he is very much pro-gun. So is the >>>district attorney. They have promised to press long and hard on >>>this!!!! The show is HQ'd here, Access, but is syndicated across the >>>country in many markets. >>> >>>Now, what are the chances we will see the footage of the reporter be >>>busted for breaking the law?!?!?!?!???? >>> >>>I will keep you posted as more comes out. The cop in charge was the >>>last one I talked with as I was leaving the show. News crews were all >>>over the show the entire weekend. >>> >>>Glen >> >>================================ >> ****************************************************************************** Send submissions to nj-rkba@toto.com. Administrative requests (subscribe, unsubscribe, etc.) should be sent to nj-rkba-request@toto.com. The human maintainer is behanna@fast.net. For emergencies outside of working hours, reach him at behanna@fast.net. Chris BeHanna maintains this list and disclaims all formal and legal responsibility for its content. ****************************************************************************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RKBA Defenders - seen through the eyes of a Leftist Politician (fwd) Date: 11 May 1999 23:03:08 PST On May 11, jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] RKBA Defenders, This was an essay by Barney Frank in the aftermath of the Capitol Hill Shootings. I sense we have a general feeling of being ineffectual to stop the Leftist antigun steamroller. There is truth to that when we vacillate, complain only to ourselves and not to our congressmen, don't write letters to the editor and fail to punish corporations who - through their actions and financial support -- attack this most fundamental right. However, it is those times when we actually make the phone calls, bring legal actions and put the pressure on Congress (as one pol was quoted as saying "... when I feel the heat, I see the light..") that, for a little while longer, our freedom is secure. If we feel weak, the Left sees us quite differently. Thought you'd enjoy this as much as I did. In Liberty, Rick V. >"...Liberals must remember, however, that the political costs of gun control are also high. There are a large number of people who care fiercely about what they believe to the their right to own guns without restrictions as long as they use them lawfully. And one of the major political problems liberals face today is a failure fully to understand what this means. These people will cast their votes primarily according to a candidate's position on gun control; they vote this way because of their commitment to the issue, not because of some clever manipulation by the National Rifle Association. >"The power of these voters is what makes even moderate gun-control measures so difficult to pass. It was resentment of Senator Kennedy's position on gun control that led large numbers of union members in Iowa and Maine to oppose him in the presidential caucuses of 1980 despite his leadership on virtually every other issue that mattered to them. The total focus on the issue of unrestricted gun ownership leads many voters to support Republicans for president despite pro-Democratic sentiments on economic and environmental issues. In many Western states, for instance, it is the strength of these voters that leads many liberal Democrats to vote against gun control, not some need for PAC money from the NRA. >"This does not mean that liberals should abandon all support for gun control. But I do believe that an insufficient appreciation of the strength of these feelings leads many on the left to put far too much emphasis on this issue. Given the regional variations on the subject, when liberals insist on using gun control as a litmus test, they punish progressives in the Mountain states without in any way advancing the cause of gun control. The choice in most western states is not between liberals who favor gun control and liberals who oppose it; it is between a liberal who opposes gun control and a conservative. >"At the presidential level the more fervently Democrats advocate gun control, the more we hurt ourselves with swing votes, especially in the western states. And by trying to make anti-gun laws serve as our example of how to be tough on crime, we end up losing ground on both issues. >From "Speaking Frankly: What's Wrong with the Democrats and How to Fix it", by Barney Frank, Random House, 1992 Reprinted with permission. http://www.arcrafts.com/think/Essays/frank.html The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Guns are porno (fwd) Date: 12 May 1999 00:46:51 PST On May 12, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Subj: Re: GSL> Fw: Anti Gun Thought Police on AOL --- AOL initiates war on licensed dealers - Russ Tucson, AZ russ45@primenet.com & russ357@juno.com Prevent drunk driving deaths. Register cars and license drivers. - On Mon, 10 May 1999, Nancy wrote: > http://resistance.to > http://thePentagon.com/FullBookJacket > http://GunsSaveLives.com > | > AOL IS anti-gun folks..... Those of you on AOL might want to find another > provider.... > If you know a pro gun person on AOL , you might want to pass this on..... > > First I get this: AOL sits down with Clinton????????? > ======== > >From today's AP wire: > > > > Clinton and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, along with Vice > President Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, sat down in the White > House East Room with about 60 participants ranging from > America Online' s chief executive to poet Maya Angelou. > > ============== > Then this: > When I was on Compuserve Firearms list we had several people switch from AOL > to compuserve because "compuserve was more gun friendly/progun". > nh > =============== > > -----Original Message----- > From: > Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 1:40 PM > Subject: FW: Anti Gun Thought Police on AOL --- AOL initiates war on > licensed dealers > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: BEDFORDTEC@aol.com [SMTP:BEDFORDTEC@aol.com] > >> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 1999 4:19 PM > >> Subject: Anti Gun Thought Police on AOL --- AOL initiates war on > >> licensed dealers > >> > >> Gents, > >> > >> Pass this around. My website on AOL was shut down yesterday. The site > >> was > >> in compliance with their standards until after the Colarado School > >> Shootings. > >> The following is the E-mail they sent me. It puts gun owners in the > same > >> > >> category as sex offenders. Their representative said "someone complained > >> and > >> didn't like it" > >> It seems that the Shumer/Gore muscle is being exerted on AOL. Two other > >> small businesses (both FFL holders I know) were also shut down. All of > >> us > >> were told our content was accecptable but now you can't advertise > >> firearms. > >> > >> AOL has a Community Action Team apparently to monitor sites that people > >> complain about..... people like HCI!!!!! Discussions with their > >> representatives indicate a liberal anti gun sentiment. > >> > >> Anyone know a good provider in Northern Va. > >> > >> Text of their E-mail follows: > >> > >> Jim Schindler, BEDFORDTECH > >> > >> > >> Dear Hometown Member: > >> > >> As this mail has been sent to all of your screen names, you may have > >> already > >> read it under another screen name. If so, please disregard this copy. > >> > >> We have become aware of a webpage site that is part of your account. This > >> webpage violates Hometown AOL's Community Standards, which prohibits > >> sexually > >> explicit graphics, links to other sites which Hometown deems offensive, > >> harassment, the use of vulgar or sexually oriented language, discussion > of > >> > >> illegal activities, and/or other activities that may impair the enjoyment > >> of > >> our community's members. > >> > >> We have placed a note of this incident on your account history and > >> consider > > >> this a first warning. We have removed all the file(s) from your > >> webpage/ftp > >> site. A second occurrence will result in termination of your account > with > >> no > >> chance of reactivation. > >> > >> Please refer to > >> >> > HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/flanker.adp?sessionId=903974804%2e86413&resu > >> ltOr > >> der=1&cid=10000&fType=tos&findP=1&fPage=tos2a">Hometown AOL: Know the > >> Guidelines > >> for more information on our community standards. > >> > >> This Screen Name cannot accept replies, therefore if you have any > >> questions > >> please write to screen name > >> TOSGeneral. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Shannan > >> Community Action Team > >> America Online, Inc. > > > -------------------------- > GUNSSAVELIVES(TM) IS A PRIVATE, UNMODERATED LIST GOVERNED BY AN ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY AVAILABLE FROM GSL-OWNER@LISTBOX.COM. SUBSCRIPTION CONSTITUTES CONSENT TO RECEIVE SOME EMAIL THAT IS UNSOLICITED. THE OWNER TAKES NO RESPONSIBILTY FOR CONTENT. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE, SEND EMAIL TO MAJORDOMO@LISTBOX.COM WITH "UNSUBSCRIBE GSL" IN THE MESSAGE. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Guns are porno (fwd) Date: 12 May 1999 09:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Re: AOL terminating web pages that are legally discussing fireearms or legally advertising firearms for sale. This smells like private Facism to me. I think that a boycott of AOL by all gun owners would be a good start (Run the boycott on an AOL page, just because it would be good publicity if they canned that page.) AOL doesn't show any sign of having a clue w.r.t. individual rights. "If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem." jcurtis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Re: Guns are porno (fwd) Date: 12 May 1999 12:28:42 -0400 At 09:54 AM 5/12/99 -0400, you wrote: > > Re: AOL terminating web pages that are legally discussing > fireearms or legally advertising firearms for sale. > > This smells like private Facism to me. > That's the way they have been since I first signed on back in 1992. Today that has changed, I just cancelled my account with those socialists and said so when I called them. The guy acted like he didn't know a thing about the dropped web page, but he sure sounded like the typical liberal bozos running that joint. If you want to cancel, the phone number is 1-888-265-8008, gotta have an account, though. Glad to be rid of AOHell, Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Neal Knox Post-Columbine Alert (fwd) Date: 12 May 1999 10:33:27 PST On May 12, J. Neil Schulman wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is what you need to tell your Senators and Representative about, while they're considering amending the Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Act. This is a federally-funded study which found that, "Boys who own legal firearms have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use and are even slightly less delinquent than nonowners of guns." Kids and guns? Here's what a 1995 federal study investigating juvenile crime found after looking at 20,000 randomly selected households: From http://www.tyc.state.tx.us/prevention/urbdelin.htm A Summary of "Urban Delinquency and Substance Abuse Initial Findings Research Summary" March 1994 Prepared by David Huizinga, Ph.D. Denver Youth Survey Rolf Loeber, Ph.D. Pittsburgh Youth Study Terence P. Thornberry, Ph.D. Rochester Youth Development Study This research summary is sponsored by the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, and presents initial findings regarding urban delinquency and substance abuse. Three research teams were competitively selected to participate in this program, launched in fall 1986. To order, please call the Juvenile Justice Clearinghouse at (800) 638-8736 and request Research Summary NCJ 143454. Relationship between type of gun owned and percent committing street, drug and gun crimes. Illegal gun: Street crimes = 74% Drug use = 41% Gun crimes = 21% No gun: Street crimes = 24% Drug use = 15% Gun crimes = 1% Legal Gun: Street crimes = 14% Drug use = 13% Gun crimes = 0% "The socialization into gun ownership is also vastly different for legal and illegal gunowners. Those who own legal guns have fathers who own guns for sport and hunting. On the other hand, those who own illegal guns have friends who own illegal guns and are far more likely to be gang members. For legal gunowners, socialization appears to take place in the family; for illegal gunowners, it appears to take place 'on the street.'" "Boys who own legal firearms have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use and are even slightly less delinquent than nonowners of guns." Source: U.S. Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, NCJ-143454, "Urban Delinquency and Substance Abuse," August 1995. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Free Life 28 & 29 now available in html (fwd) Date: 12 May 1999 16:31:23 PST On May 12, Dr Sean Gabb wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Free Life issues 28 and 29 are now available on my web page in html format. Issues 29 and 30 are additionally available in Acrobat 3 format. All files are available from: http://freespace.virgin.net/old.whig/fl.htm As a sample, here is an aricle from Free Life issue 28 - a review by Nigel Meek of Down to Earth II by Matt Ridley Sean Gabb Editor Free Life London 13th may 1999 >From Free Life, Issue 28, September 1998 ISSN: 0260 5112 Down to Earth II: Combating Environmental Myths, Matt Ridley Institute of Economic Affairs, London, 1996, 102pp, £8.95 (pbk) (ISBN 0 255 36383 4) The forerunner to this excellent book, the equally good Down to Earth: A Contrarian View of Environmental Problems, was reviewed by Paul Anderton in Free Life 25. Like its predecessor, it consists of a number of Dr Ridley's articles on environmental matters that appeared in The Sunday Telegraph between 1994 and 1996. The central messages of the two books are essentially the same. First, that the defeat of ideological socialism has not inevitably meant the triumph of liberal economics, but instead those with a passion for centralised economic and social planning have slithered-off into various special interest groups. Second, that they are prepared to use what has rightly come to be known as 'junk science' to further their cause. In simple terms this means publishing 'facts & figures' which range from being speculative and/or partial to outright falsehoods. Dr Ridley has some satisfyingly nasty things to say about the so-called environmental groups themselves, particularly Greenpeace (sic). He notes that Greenpeace is not really an 'environmental' group at all, but a commercial organisation whose prime concern is simply to raise money which it spends on more stunts to obtain publicity to raise more money. Much of the sound and fury surrounding the Brent Spar, about which Greenpeace was wholly wrong, had more to do with reversing a dramatic decline in its membership from 5 million in 1990 to less than 3 million by 1995. As for the junk science ... In the case of Brent Spar Greenpeace appear to have simply made it up so I suppose that cannot really count. But what about global warming, acid rain, the greenhouse effect et al? Firstly, being hopelessly wrong is a time-honoured tradition amongst many environmental doom-sayers. Remember the 'coming ice-age' fiasco put about by a now-prominent exponent of global warming? Or the predictions of the late 1960's that millions would die in wide-spread famines in the 1980's in the USA? Or that by the 1970's the oil would have run out (proven reserves are larger than ever before)? Their more recent record is little better. Carefully controlled experiments (you know, like proper, grown-up science) in this country have clearly demonstrated that 'acid rain' never existed as such at all but was rather a result of disease and drought. Indeed, spraying compounds containing sulphur onto groups of trees improved their health! With 'global warming', satellite data, which is more reliable than that from ground stations, has detected no world-wide warming trend; carbon dioxide levels actually fell during the 1990's. Computer models here and in Germany which claimed to be able to show global warming patterns did so by being programmed in the first place on the assumption that global warming was a reality. In fact, as much as we can tell, climate change this century has been no more severe than in most other centuries. Yet scientists who dare to dispute the new Environmentalist orthodoxy are treated in a manner with which Galileo would have been very familiar. The Greens never admit that they are wrong, never apologise. The nearest they and their tame 'scientists' ever get is to 'revise' their predictions in an ever more 'conservative' direction. When discussing the melting ice caps and the resultant rise is sea-level, in 1980 it was confidently predicted that this would be all of 5 metres (16'5"). By 1989 this was down to 1 metre (1'3"), by 1990 0.65 metres (2'1"), and by 1993 0.2 metres (8"). Oh yes, and they were not too sure about this either because of other variables involved that could not fully control for. Mainstream politicians fare little better in Dr Ridley's critique. Environmentalism is now clearly the zeitgeist and politicians have played a leading part in bringing this about. To start off with, such is the regrettable level of moral prestige possessed by groups such as Greenpeace, Oxfam and Compassion in World Farming that politicians are terrified of receiving any adverse comments from them. Then they, along with the media and the Environmentalists themselves, tend to be appallingly ignorant about basic science and the proper use of statistics. The complete hash made by just about everyone of the BSE scare is a recent example. Even if BSE can cross the species barrier is can only do so with very great difficulty between two such different species as cattle and humans and the numbers affected can only ever be tiny. Besides, the panic was too late anyway since the cattle appear to have got the BSE from eating infected sheep which we have continued to munch away at all the while. Politicians are also not above misusing environmental concerns when it suits them, often for crudely nationalistic and protectionist reasons. Dr Ridley notes the sick joke of German and Dutch politicians latching on to the Brent Spar controversy when more pollutants flow out of the mouth of the Rhine every ten minutes than was ever in the Brent Spar. Dr Ridley also takes aim at the fraudulent sanctimoniousness of the Danes. They turn out to have a dreadful record due to the pollution caused by the run-off of manure into the sea which they simply do not measure in the way that Britain does and which allows them to claim, via this piece of methodological legerdemain, their place as arch-environmentalists. Another of Dr Ridley's targets is the Rousseauian fantasy of the 'myth of mystical conservation'. Proper anthropological studies have shown that the Amazon Indians, for example, practice decidedly non eco-friendly methods but simply lack the technology to do too much damage. Even so, those much-extolled natural conservationists the 'Native Americans' had nonetheless almost managed to exterminate large game from the Rockies before any Europeans got in on the act. Also, as the case of the Yanomamo indicates, these 'noble savages' are rather more of the latter than the former, often possessing shockingly violent social systems where warfare, feuds and sexual competition are endemic. Dr Ridley also spends time talking about more nuts-and-bolts issues, which are no less important for all that. The catastrophe that has been the EU's Common Agricultural and Common Fisheries Policies; the confusion between sensible and unsentimental natural conservation and bunny-hugging animal welfare; the whole issue of 'public choice' in the current bureaucratic political settlement; the nationalisation-by-stealth of land carried out under the former Conservative government; the relentless support for interventionist 'solutions' to environmental issues and the equally relentless opposition to market-led ones; and so on. The inchoate but essentially statist political creed that is Environmentalism, in contrast to a sensible concern for, and the scientific study of, mankind's impact on the environment, stands as a metaphor for modern anti-liberalism and Dr Ridley's two volumes are a majestic sword and shield against its effects. Now, if only we could give a copy of each to every school-child in this country before their 'teachers', the media et al have fully brain-washed them ... Nigel Meek -- Dr Sean Gabb | "Over himself, over his own | E-mail: old.whig@virgin.net | body and mind, the individual| | is sovereign" | Mobile Number: 0956 472199 | J.S. Mill, On Liberty, 1859 | [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: McGehee's News & Comment - May 13, 1999 (fwd) Date: 13 May 1999 13:14:55 PST On May 13, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ PROPORTION Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold violated more than a dozen gun laws that were already on the books, even before they fired a single shot or set off a single explosion. There are thousands of gun laws in this nation, and enforcement of these laws has virtually ceased since Bill Clinton has become President. But it isn't just the President's misfeasance that is responsible for the lack of enforcement; many gun laws are left unenforced because they're *unenforceable.* This is the fact that is so often ignored in the hysterical aftermath of a notorious violent act by a criminal: while demagogues like the President rant and rave about the need for *more* laws, reality demonstrates that we can easily afford *fewer* laws. Reduction of the volume of laws on the books would save money by reducing the amount of time needed by lawyers, congressional aides and consultants to research the law, would simplify the jobs of police and regulators who are bound to follow the law, and would simplify the lives of ordinary citizens by making it easier to obey the law. But you'll rarely if ever hear this being argued, because the concept of proportionality has no place in post-modern politics. Even now, after the Senate has responded to the President's call for more laws by suggesting that existing laws ought to be more diligently enforced, the proportionality of those existing laws isn't in play. The presumption is that all the laws we have now are right and proper, and it's only the *new* laws Clinton wants that cross the line. Given the Senate's squishy record, and the sheer ridiculousness of where it has chosen to draw the line, I fully and reasonably expect that body to cave under aggressive pressure from the White House. The moral of the story: One unnecessary and unenforceable law justifies an infinite number of additional unnecessary and unenforceable laws. A sense of proportion would have been useful in 1968, that most hysterical of years, after the assassinations of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy. The men who committed these acts did not represent all gun owners, and the millions of mainstream, innocent, law-abiding American gun owners should not have had to pay for the acts of Ray and Sirhan with even one shred of their constitutional and moral rights. A sense of proportion would also have been useful in the 1930s, that most hysterical of decades. America didn't need to turn its back on the constitutional limits on the size and scope of the federal government to weather the Depression. This was a nation that wrenched itself free of the world's supreme imperial power in the 1770s (over the strenuous objections of that empire, let's not forget), built itself from the ground up as a federal republic, and withstood a bloody Civil War. An economic crisis, no matter how Great or how Depressing, was no excuse for introducing panic into the legislative process. Nor was the violence associated with the recently ended experiment with alcohol prohibition any excuse for scapegoating an inanimate object. I am sick and tired of suffering for the infamous acts of others. I am sick and tired of Government By Panic Button. I have had more than my fill of watching my freedom be whittled away because of the sustained hysteria of a woman whose husband had the misfortune of being in the path of a bullet intended for Ronald Reagan -- a bullet that was fired, not by a mainstream, innocent law-abiding gun owner, but by a @#$!!-ing LUNATIC, of the same breed as Harris and Klebold. It is high time for an unmistakable message to be sent to those like Clinton who scramble to be at the front of every stampeding mob, that we will no longer sit still for these circuses. Bury their offices in protest mail. Organize *MASSIVE* counter-demonstrations wherever hysterical rent-a-mobs gather. Maybe even interfere with TV crews who try to play up the rent-a-mobs instead of reporting what's *really* happening. In other words, borrow a few hysterical tactics from Clinton's "wonder years." If proportion is no longer in vogue, perhaps what is needed is a *disproportionate* response. -30- May 13, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/news&comment/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: AP story on NRA fold Date: 13 May 1999 17:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Looks like Senator Larry Craig, an Idaho Republican and Director of the NRA has folded to pressure to make background checks for private sales at gun shows mandatory. draw your own conclusions from this one. jcurtis AP wire story at ~4:15 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Under pressure from the White House and some wavering Republicans, Senate GOP leaders today moved to reverse an earlier vote and require background checks for all private firearm sales at gun shows. Sen. Larry Craig, the author of the original legislation that rejected mandatory checks for certain sales, told reporters today that he decided to ``correct'' that legislation after a half-dozen Republicans complained to him Wednesday night. ``I am back making those corrections now,'' said Craig, R-Idaho, a member of the National Rifle Association's board of directors. Republicans were making the change as part of a package of amendments to Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch's juvenile violence bill in its third day of debate on the Senate floor. The new proposal ``requires 24-hour background checks for all transfers of firearms at gun shows,'' according to a summary distributed by Hatch's aides. Craig's amendment, passed on Wednesday, made background checks voluntary for private gun sales. Craig told reporters that the NRA ``grudgingly'' supported the new language. [balance of article deleted] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Executive Orders (fwd) Date: 13 May 1999 23:40:18 PST On May 13, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] When you look at just the executive orders *Bill Clinton* has signed -- never mind any similar orders that may have been signed by previous presidents -- it's not hard to understand why so many people are scared to death of this guy. My comments are in brackets: [...] Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mcgeheezone.com/ *New URL!* (same old website) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 9:07 PM >From the Augusta Chronicle Our president has drafted and signed 10 executive orders, to be activated in times of increased international tension or economic or financial crisis. ["...economic or financial crisis." I refer you to http://www.mcgeheezone.com/news&comment/990513.htm, in particular my comments on the Depression of the 1930s. No economic crisis justifies restrictions on the freedom of law-abiding Americans; in fact, that very freedom is the most potent weapon America has for dealing with such crises.] EO10995; Authorized seizure of communications and media in the U.S. [And judging from the way the "news" is reported on TV, this one has already been invoked. I wish I could be 100% kidding...] EO10997; Authorizes seizure of all electrical power, fuel, and minerals, public and private, in the U.S. [I guess declaring them national monuments is no longer an option.] EO10999; Provides for seizure of all means of transportation, including personal cars and trucks. [Especially, I'm sure, those eeeeeeeeevil SUVs.] EO11000; Provides power to assign citizens to work forces under federal supervision, and authorizes separation of family members, if deemed necessary. [Arbeit macht frei.] EO11001; Authorizes seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, both public and private. [No more competition for those teachers' unions.] EO11002; Empowers the Postmaster General to register all residents of the nation, men, women, and children. [This is redundant. We already have Social Security numbers.] EO11003; Authorizes seizure of all airports and aircraft, both public and private. [There's that business of seizing private property again. I don't know why he bothers with these when he can eliminate the problem simply by redefining the word "private" -- again.] EO11004; Authorizes creation of Housing and Finance Authority to "establish forced relocation from designated areas to be abandoned as unsafe". [A Housing and *Finance* Authority to force relocation from unsafe areas? I guess the finance part is the campaign contributions you'll have to give to get your home and property back.] EO11005; Authorizes seizure of railroads, waterways, and storage facilities. EO11051; Authorizes creation of and designates responsibility of, Office of Emergency Planning; Establishes the authority to put all Executive Orders in effect in times of "increased international tensions, and times of economic and financial crisis. [Office of Emergency Planning -- a.k.a. "Gore 2000"] [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: Time Magazine poll.......... (fwd) Date: 14 May 1999 09:54:33 PST On May 14, Bob Mueller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] It dawned on me while looking at the results that we should be answering NO to question 1 - that way they can't necessarily pass it off as "gun owners stacking the results." Not that we ever WOULD do something like that... -----Original Message----- Behalf Of RHill@MICKEY.GC.WHECN.EDU Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 11:03 AM Got this from another shooter...... > Time is conducting one of those net polls. Figures a not what they > wanted, so I'm told they reset the counters, and started over. While > this kind of poll is highly unscientific, the media types love to use it > as propaganda. Go screw up their day for them at > http://www.pathfinder.com/time/polls/gunpoll.html. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!! (fwd) Date: 14 May 1999 09:55:14 PST On May 14, Bill Utterback wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The NRA has compromised away more of our rights as they have been doing for years. See the next to last paragraph with stars. The Republican Senators have clearly shown that they do not honor the Bill of Rights, something they have demonstrated for years also. The Second Amendment says "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." It seems to me that if a person can no longer buy arms that it makes it very difficult to either keep or to bear arms. Understand this clearly - this unconstitutional so-called "law" says that a private individual can not sell a gun to another private individual at a gun show unless they first get the approval of the federal government, approval that is supposed to be immediate but is not. From that point it is a very small step to where no private individual can sell a gun to another without federal government approval. Then it is another very small step to where nobody can sell a gun unless they are licensed by the federal government. The ATF has eliminated the majority of Federal Firearms License holders (dealers) in the past few years. Do you get the picture? Do you like where we are clearly headed? THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BETTER REASON TO VOTE LIBERTARIAN OR TO SUPPORT GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA . Right now there is a slim chance that house Republicans can stop this. I suggest you contact your representative if you value your rights. for Liberty, Bill Utterback Senate Republicans Change Stance On Gun Shows 9.10 p.m. ET (111 GMT) May 13, 1999 WASHINGTON =97 In a remarkable day of rapid shifts that had the powerful gun lobby on the defensive, the U.S. Senate Thursday passed two new gun control measures and reversed itself on the controversial issue of requiring background checks on buyers at gun shows. Pounded by Democrats who accused them of caring more about the National Rifle Association than the public outrage over 15 deaths in a Colorado high school, Republicans closed a loophole, voted for a ban they had previously rejected, and accepted the mandatory gun show background checks that they had repudiated only one day earlier. But Democrats remained skeptical, particularly on the gun show question. They said the Republicans' revised gun show plan still contains concessions to the NRA, and that the gun lobby might have had a bad day but was by no means defeated. Administration experts who studied the new Republican plan said they had found loopholes, or at least ambiguities, that could allow some gun purchasers to evade checks. They also said the lack of record-keeping could hamper law enforcement. Under current law, people buying guns from licensed dealers must undergo background checks. No such checks are required from more informal vendors at gun shows, and the Senate rejected changing that Wednesday. "In the aftermath of their victory over common sense, Republicans are scrambling around the Senate floor trying to figure out how to explain yesterday's appeasement at the hands of the gun lobby,'' said New York Democrat Charles Schumer. "They are truly the gang that couldn't shoot straight,'' he added. The gun show controversy will not be resolved until at least Friday when the Senate resumes work on its juvenile crime bill. But the Senate did vote on gun measures that had foundered in the past. By a 96-2 vote, the Senate closed a loophole in a law that bans anyone under age 18 from buying a handgun. They extended that prohibition to youth purchases of semi-automatic assault weapons like Uzis or AK-47s. Two Republicans, Bob Smith of New Hampshire and Mike Enzi of Wyoming, voted no on the amendment by Missouri Republican John Ashcroft. They also accepted a Democratic ban on importing all high-capacity ammunition clips. Those clips, which let people fire scores of bullets without stopping to reload, cannot now be manufactured in the United States but are still imported. "The NRA said no and it passed anyway,'' said its sponsor, California Democrat Dianne Feinstein. But she noted that there are still many hurdles `and opportunities for the NRA to flex its muscles' before the measure gets enacted into law. "I've been down this road before,'' she said. "It's not over until the thin lady sings.'' Outlining the new Republican gun show proposal, Idaho Republican Larry Craig, who is an NRA board member, shunned words like reversal but said he was "making corrections.'' The Senate Wednesday narrowly rejected a measure by New Jersey Democrat Frank Lautenberg to make background checks mandatory at shows. Senators in both parties reported intense lobbying by the NRA against it although opinion polls show broad public support for it after Littleton. Later that night, the Senate went a step further, voting for a Craig amendment that called for voluntary background checks and also contained several elements that Democrats, including Attorney General Janet Reno, said undermined existing gun law and gave new breaks to gun dealers. Earlier Thursday President Clinton had urged the Senate to reconsider, "For the life of me I can't figure out how they did it, or why they passed up this chance to save lives,'' he said at the White House. "There is simply no excuse for letting criminals get arms at gun shows they can't get at gun stores.'' A few hours later, Craig was on the Senate floor arguing for a new Republican package of gun measures =97 and making the case for mandatory background checks at gun shows. Craig said his office had not received angry calls about Wednesday's vote. But he acknowledged that fellow Republicans had received calls, and that some were "not happy in totality'' with his original measure. Craig in his revised version dropped some, but not all, of the other provisions to which Democrats had objected. For instance, the FBI now keeps records of background checks for up to several months. The NRA opposes such a data base, and Craig's revised amendment still does away with any such record-keeping, which he said infringes on rights of law-abiding private gun-owning citizens. *NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre said in a telephone interview *that the organization has said it would accept the gun show background checks* if the FBI records, which he said were illegal, were dropped. He also repeated the NRA attack on the Clinton administration for failing to enforce current laws while drafting new ones. "It's a little bit disingenuous,'' he said, saying the government was letting criminals "walk out the door scot-free'' instead of throwing them in jail. comments@newsdigital.com 1999, News America Digital Publishing, Inc. d/b/a Fox News Online. All rights reserved. Fox News is a registered trademark of 20th Century Fox Film Corp. Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: The Pluperfect Virus/Humor (fwd) Date: 14 May 1999 10:41:22 PST On May 13, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] LOL! Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mcgeheezone.com/ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 11:06 PM The Pluperfect Virus By Bob Hirschfeld Special to The Washington Post A new computer virus is spreading throughout the Internet, and it is far more insidious than last week's Chernobyl menace. Named Strunkenwhite after the authors of a classic guide to good writing, it returns e-mail messages that have grammatical or spelling errors. It is deadly accurate in its detection abilities, unlike the dubious spell checkers that come with word processing programs. The virus is causing something akin to panic throughout corporate America, which has become used to the typos, misspellings, missing words and mangled syntax so acceptable in cyberspace. The CEO of LoseItAll.com, an Internet startup, said the virus has rendered him helpless. "Each time I tried to send one particular e-mail this morning, I got back this error message: 'Your dependent clause preceding your independent clause must be set off by commas, but one must not precede the conjunction.' I threw my laptop across the room." A top executive at a telecommunications and long-distance company, 10-10-10-10-10-10-123, said: "This morning, the same damned e-mail kept coming back to me with a pesky notation claiming I needed to use a pronoun's possessive case before a gerund. With the number of e-mails I crank out each day, who has time for proper grammar? Whoever created this virus should have their programming fingers broken." A broker at Begg, Barow and Steele said he couldn't return to the "bad, old" days when he had to send paper memos in proper English. He speculated that the hacker who created Strunkenwhite was a "disgruntled English major who couldn't make it on a trading floor. When you're buying and selling on margin, I don't think it's anybody's business if I write that 'i meetinged through the morning, then cinched the deal on the cel phone while bareling down the xway.' " If Strunkenwhite makes e-mailing impossible, it could mean the end to a communication revolution once hailed as a significant timesaver. A study of 1,254 office workers in Leonia, N.J., found that e-mail increased employees' productivity by 1.8 hours a day because they took less time to formulate their thoughts. (The same study also found that they lost 2.2 hours of productivity because they were e-mailing so many jokes to their spouses, parents and stockbrokers.) Strunkenwhite is particularly difficult to detect because it doesn't come as an e-mail attachment (which requires the recipient to open it before it becomes active). Instead, it is disguised within the text of an e-mail entitled "Congratulations on your pay raise." The message asks the recipient to "click here to find out about how your raise effects your pension." The use of "effects" rather than the grammatically correct "affects" appears to be an inside joke from Strunkenwhite's mischievous creator. The virus also has left government e-mail systems in disarray. Officials at the Office of Management and Budget can no longer transmit electronic versions of federal regulations because their highly technical language seems to run afoul of Strunkenwhite's dictum that "vigorous writing is concise." The White House speechwriting office reported that it had received the same message, along with a caution to avoid phrases such as "the truth is ... " and "in fact ...." Home computer users also are reporting snafus, although an e-mailer who used the word "snafu" said she had come to regret it. The virus can have an even more devastating impact if it infects an entire network. A cable news operation was forced to shut down its computer system for several hours when it discovered that Strunkenwhite had somehow infiltrated its TelePrompTer software, delaying newscasts and leaving news anchors nearly tongue-tied as they wrestled with proper sentence structure. There is concern among law enforcement officials that Strunkenwhite is a harbinger of the increasingly sophisticated methods hackers are using to exploit the vulnerability of business's reliance on computers. "This is one of the most complex and invasive examples of computer code we have ever encountered. We just can't imagine what kind of devious mind would want to tamper with e-mails to create this burden on communications," said an FBI agent who insisted on speaking via the telephone out of concern that trying to e-mail his comments could leave him tied up for hours. Meanwhile, bookstores and online booksellers reported a surge in orders for Strunk & White's "The Elements of Style." -- Kort E Patterson http://www.hevanet.com/kort [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: cnn poll (fwd) Date: 14 May 1999 11:21:16 PST On May 14, Shimm, David wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] It may be like closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out, but there is a poll on the "gunshow loophole" on the CNN website. BTW, we're losing. --david [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: PETITION: Gun Control and Crime (fwd) Date: 14 May 1999 17:35:52 PST On May 14, C.D.Tavares@www.nynow.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hop over and sign it -- it can't hurt. The petition is located at: http://www.e-thepeople.com/petition.cfm?PETID=132035 --------------------------- This petition is hosted by E- The People, http://www.e-thepeople.com, a free, nonpartisan Web service promoting better communication between citizens and their government. At E- The People, you can: -Send a letter to any one of 170,000 local, state, and federal officials in 9,600 towns and cities! -Start a petition to fix a pothole or change a policy, and promote it on our national site! -Sign a petition about a cause you care about! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: URGENT -- Need Guns Save Lives Storries for Atlanta Journal Date: 15 May 1999 15:45:48 PST On May 15, 206140826@worldnet.att.net wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > Prevent drunk driving deaths. Register cars and license drivers. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:16:09 -0400 > From: Nancy > To: Undisclosed.Recipients@mindspring.com > Subject: URGENT -- Need Guns Save Lives Stories for Atlanta Journal Constitution > > Ray: Please forward to as many as possible! > > Thanks! > > The Atlanta Journal-Constitution is soliciting letters and e-mail > relating to TRUE stories about the personal ownership and use of firearms. > > The letters need to be signed, 600 words or less, and true stories - not > opinion or debate. > > They want to know if you used a gun to protect yourself or someone else from > a carjacker, mugger or rapist or if the weapon you used for protection was > involved in an accident or suicde. > > Submissions to oped@ajc.com , fax to 404-526-5611 , or mail to: 72 Marietta > St., NW Atlanta, GA 30303. > > This is a great chance for all those who have used firearms for protection > to make their voice heard. You read these stories every month in American > Rifleman - but that's like preaching to the choir. Let's make believers out > of the rest! > > Thanks. > > Don Cely > When women are disarmed, a rapist will never hear - Stop or I'll shoot! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Spotted Al's FCC, "Internet", Tax is back! Date: 15 May 1999 15:47:19 PST The FCC seems to be intent on bringing back the, "Internet", Tax, so that the, "glory", of making our schools available to child molestors can go towards Spotted Al's Presidential Campaign, and the bucks to his Cronies. What they aren't saying, is that the schools are _allready_wired_in_ to the Internet, thanks to the extra phone fees we've allready payed! When are those extra phone fees going to disapear? The Vote takes place, (I think he said), on the 27th, so there's not a lot of time to waste. Another good point to bring up is that the FCC _cannot_Legally_ levy Taxes. There's a lot more to it, but I could only catch so much of it as I had a phone call. :-( Heard about on the Rush Limbaugh show..... -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Surviving a Heart Attack When Alone (fwd) Date: 16 May 1999 20:00:45 PST On May 16, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] On its face it seems like a kind of do-it-yourself heart massage... Kevin McGehee Fairbanks/North Pole, AK mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mcgeheezone.com/ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 15, 1999 10:02 PM ------begin forwarded message---------- HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE (Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart attack, this article seemed in order.) Without help the person whose heart stops beating properly and who begins to feel Faint, has only about 10 seconds left before losing consciousness. However, these victims can help themselves by coughing repeatedly and very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before each cough, and the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing sputum from deep inside the chest. A breath and a cough must be repeated about every two seconds without let up until help arrives, or until the heart is felt to be beating normally again. Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs and coughing movements squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating. The squeezing pressure on the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm. In this way, heart attack victims can get to a phone and, between breaths, call for help. Tell as many other people as possible about this, it could save their lives! --from Health Cares, Rochester General Hospital via Chapter 240's newsletter AND THE BEAT GOES ON... (reprint from The Mended Hearts, Inc. publication, Heart Response) -- Kort E Patterson http://www.hevanet.com/kort [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: *Re: Fwd: CONTACT INFO - LIBBY DOLE (fwd) Date: 17 May 1999 11:44:46 PST On May 17, David Gonzalez wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] On Mon, 17 May 1999, by way of Douglas Davis wrote: > Dear Fellow Shooters, > > Many of us are very upset over finding out that Elizabeth Dole > believes that law abiding Americans should not even carry a > firearm for self defense. Some of us are not surprised. If you > would like to "enlighten" her and share you viewpoints... If what I heard in the radio a few minutes ago is true, she's going to be too busy chasing old Bob around the mulberry bush, trying to swat him in the kiester with the transportation she borrowed from Hillary, to pay any attention to us! According to what I heard, it seems that Mr. Dole had no better sense than to tell some reporters that he doubted Liddy's ability to maintain her campaign posture if elected and that he (Bob) had even contributed to the campaign of John McCain, which fact he *hopes* that Liddy doesn't find out about (he tells the reporters)! ---David the amused Troglodyte [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: *Re: Fwd: CONTACT INFO - LIBBY DOLE (fwd) Date: 17 May 1999 15:05:35 -0400 (EDT) > >According to what I heard, it seems that Mr. Dole had no better sense than >to tell some reporters that he doubted Liddy's ability to maintain her >campaign posture if elected and that he (Bob) had even contributed to the >campaign of John McCain, which fact he *hopes* that Liddy doesn't find out >about (he tells the reporters)! > Ms. Dole is running for VP, make no doubt about it. That's the reason her stances are so "infomercial", don't want to contradict the principal candidate's position. ciao, jcurtis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 5/17 (fwd) Date: 18 May 1999 10:54:29 PST On May 17, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 11:28 AM The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU=C9 - May 17, 1999 Now on the Web at http://members.aol.com/educintel/eia + Over the weekend in Tampa, delegates to the Florida Teaching Profession-NEA convention voted to merge the union with the Florida Educa= tion Association/United, the state's AFT affiliate. The margin was 84% to 16%. You'll find this news nowhere else. EIA scoured three dozen Florida newspapers, the FTP- NEA, FEA/United, NEA and AFT web-sites all weekend t= o find one report on the convention. All unsuccessfully. FEA/United will ho= ld its vote this weekend. + The Florida delegates were very much up in arms about vouchers -- to t= he point that some of them want the NEA delegates (who will be in Orlando fo= r the national convention in July) to spend as little money as possible in = the state, so as not to indirectly contribute to vouchers. There is a minor movement to get the national delegates to vote against staging any future= NEA conventions in Florida until the state's new voucher law is overturned. The unions are also upset about Gov. Jeb Bush's authorization for alternative teacher associations to have access to public school teacher meetings, mailboxes, and payroll deduction of dues. The Professional Educators Network of Florida plans to take immediate advantage. PEN's byl= aws do not allow it to bargain collectively for teachers. Its annual dues are $95, compared to more than $400 for the state's two major teachers' union= s (destined to rise because of the upcoming merger). + Teacher union delegates in Rhode Island finally had their fill. The delegate assembly of NEA Rhode Island voted long-time President Harvey Pr= ess out of office and replaced him with Vice President Larry Purtill. The vot= e was 148 to 128. The election turned on the pension scandal, in which Pres= s continued to pursue a court case to get state pensions for high-ranking u= nion officers. The delegates also voted to cut off funding for that effort, wh= ich was denied review by a federal appeals court last week. What will Purtill bring to the union? Well, one of his first initiatives will be, you guessed it, a PR campaign. "Our members want to = see us promoting ourselves more," he told the Providence Journal-Bulletin. "W= e need to look at ways to improve and address our public perception." Meanwhile, the fraud trial of Press' predecessor, Ronald L. DiOrio, and former NEARI executive director Donald C. Hill, concluded last week. = A ruling is expected next month. + Delegates in North Dakota voted to go ahead with support for a ballot initiative that would raise the state's income tax from 14% to 17% of the federal income tax. In an effort to make it palatable to the voters, half= the projected $81 million raised would go towards property tax relief, while = the other half would be targeted to improve teachers' salaries. + The Washington Education Association dropped its plan for automatic cost-of-living increases for teachers, but the Tennessee Education Association immediately picked up the ball. The union's delegate assembly passed a measure to lobby for legislation that would give all public scho= ol employees an annual COLA pay hike. + Two teachers' unions in the suburbs of Buffalo, New York, have stopped endorsing candidates for school board seats, joining a growing trend in t= he area. The reason? The endorsements were having detrimental effects on the= ir candidates. The unions in Williamsville and Kenmore-Town of Tonawanda joi= ned unions in Lancaster, West Seneca and Orchard Park in the "no endorsement" camp. "There's the perception that if you endorse, the person's in your pocket," Kenmore Teachers Association President Donald Benker told the Buffalo News. "That's not true, but that's the common perception." Over t= he last two years, union endorsements have raised voter turnout for opposing candidates. + The New York Post is stirring things up (well, that's what it does), f= irst by publishing some awful writing samples of Queens middle-school students= , and yesterday by publishing writing samples of some Brooklyn teachers. "I= n sample after sample," writes Post reporter Andrea Peyser, "one teacher af= ter another demonstrates a grasp of written language that one might reasonabl= y expect from a low-functioning second- grader." Here is a small example, w= arts and all, from a teacher concerned about a student's inability to keep up = in class: "Why is he not learning or learning so but so little, with my help. How comes his past teachers have been passing him from grade to grade wit= hout he advancing or progressing academicly. I will like to know what is causi= ng the mental blockage." Peyser contacted United Federation of Teachers spokesman Ron Davis, who knew exactly why this had happened. "With some of the lowest wages in= the state, we have difficulty attracting and retaining the best and brightest teachers," he said. + With all the post-Columbine High massacre hysteria, it was inevitable.= A high school teacher in Howell, New Jersey, was arrested for fabricating a bomb threat. Dana Kukielka told police she was frightened for her safety because of what had happened in Littleton. Her phony bomb threat led to a two-hour evacuation of the school. She was summarily fired. + Quote of the Week: "Our citizens say they don't want an income tax, bu= t they stampede across the state line every weekend into other lower sales = tax states to spend Tennessee money." -- Tennessee Education Association President Velma Lois Jones. # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, analysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. = Fax: 916-392-1482. E-Mail: EducIntel@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: TO BILL - THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES (fwd) Date: 18 May 1999 11:25:40 PST On May 18, Rae Starr wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Received a copy of the following, no date, no way to check authenticity. But the argument probably stands on its own. >Subject: TO BILL - THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES > >As I was making my daily journey to the Post Office the other day, >I patiently waited for a car to vacate a parking space near the door. >As the rear of the vehicle came toward me, I noticed a bumper sticker, >which read, in big, bold letters, "THANK ME. I VOTED CLINTON-GORE." > >Pondering the message of the brave, stubborn soul in the car ahead of >me, I considered all the things I could be thankful for as a result of >the Clinton-Gore regime. Indeed, I discovered the list was long and >varied. > >Thank you for reminding us that the government that gave us the Internal >Revenue Service and welfare also lusts for control of the greatest >healthcare system in the world. > >Thank you for reminding that the FBI, who has a file on millions >of Americans, including myself, can give those files to people powerful >enough to demand them. > >Thank you for giving us a President who supports partial-birth abortions. > >Thank you for introducing us to Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica >Lewinsky and about two dozen other names that we might not have met and >known otherwise. > >Thank you for allowing a WAR HERO and the author of one of the most >successful military campaigns in history to leave the presidency >because, no matter how successful he was, in all our moral outrage, we >just wouldn't tolerate someone who would lie to the American people by >promising "no new taxes" and then going back on his word. We certainly >can't have a liar in the White House, now can we? > >Thank you for giving us a President who discusses his choice of >underwear with teenagers. We always wondered if presidents wore boxers >or briefs. > >Thank you for installing a man who reminds us of those good old days of >pot smoking (without inhaling, of course) and war PROTESTING. > >Thank you for showing us that the ridiculous plot of the movie, "Wag the >Dog," could really be plausible after all. > >Thank you for showing all the men and women in America that sexual >harassment in the workplace, and on the job, is okay as long as it >involves powerful middle-age executives and young women half their age >under their power. It is, after all, a "private matter." > >Thank you for revealing that the agenda of the National Organization of >Women only includes some women. Women like Anita Hill and not women >like Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, et al. > >Thank you for reintroducing the concept of "impeachment" to a new >generation that missed the discussion surrounding it the last time it >was brought up. > >Thank you for curing me of my addiction to the evening news. > >Thank you for reminding us that, when all is said and done, >"CHARACTER" really, really DOES matter. > >And, in comparison to recent days: > >Thank you for making Dan Quayle look like a Rhodes Scholar. >Thank you for making Jimmy Carter look competent. >Thank you for making Gerald Ford look graceful. >Thank you for making Richard Nixon look honest. >Thank you for making Lyndon Johnson look truthful. >Thank you for making John Kennedy look moral. >Thank you for making Al Gore look positively presidential. >Thank you for reminding us of the importance of term limits. > >And really, thank you not once, but twice! Why, if not for YOU, instead >of the current, interesting discussion all over the television networks >and newspapers, we would be focused on a whole slew of trivial matters >such as global defense, the economy, nukes in North Korea, genocide in >Africa, the containment of terrorism, and all those other boring topics. > >So, thank you, thank you, thank you! Oh, and if you voted for Ross >Perot, thank you, too. You deserve just as much of the credit as my >friend with the bumper sticker. > >Since Bill Clinton took office, here are some of the "GOOD" things that >have happened: > >*72 House and Senate witnesses have plead the fifth. >*17 witnesses have fled the country to avoid testifying. >*19 foreign witnesses have refused to be interviewed by > US investigative bodies. >*19 prosecutions from Whitewater investigations. >*14 convictions from Whitewater investigations. >*8 imprisonments from Whitewater investigations. >*55 total charges in all Clinton scandals. >*32 total convictions (so far) in all Clinton scandals. >*14 total imprisonment's (so far) in all Clinton scandals. >*938 overnight stays at the White House for Clinton donors. >*$40 million-cost of Clinton's trip to China. >*62 House of Representative seats that have changed > from Democrat to Republican. >*12 Senate seats that have changed from Democrat to Republican. >*13 Governorships that have changed from Democrat to Republican >*1,200 state legislative seats that have changed > from Democrat to Republican >*353 elected Democrats who have switched parties > since Clinton took office. > >Yes, it's been an interesting six years for "the most ethical >administration in the history of the Republic." But then ... >everybody knows it's ALL the fault of the "Vast right-wing conspiracy." >Go figure...! > >(By an Episcopalian Minister in Georgia) [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Slightly off subject, but... (fwd) Date: 18 May 1999 16:47:10 PST On May 18, Doug Spittler wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Sen. Smith: GOP at risk of third-party rebellion >By Ralph Z. Hallow >THE WASHINGTON TIMES > > >New Hampshire Sen. Robert C. Smith, a candidate for the >Republican presidential nomination, yesterday warned that fellow >conservatives are on the verge of rebellion against the party's >leadership in Congress. > >That rebellion, Mr. Smith said, could coalesce into a third party >that would run a conservative presidential ticket against the GOP >and Democratic nominees next year. > >In an unusual move for a declared candidate for his own party's >presidential nomination, Mr. Smith did not rule himself out as the >man who would head the 2000 ticket of the threatened new party. > >"Once in a while, things happen, the horse begins to gallop and >you have no choice but to ride and hold on," he said at a luncheon >meeting of editors and reporters at The Washington Times. > >"It's going to get to that point if this keeps up, because the >impression out there is that [Republicans] do not stand up for what >we believe in, that we let [President] Bill Clinton win time and >again," he said. "He wins on closing down the government, on >Kosovo, on guns, on abortion. > >"All the Republican pollsters come in to tell us to stay away from >abortion, don't talk about controversial issues," he said. > >Many Republicans contend that Ross Perot's third-party candidacy >cost President Bush re-election in 1992. > >"I am not leading or advocating this, but I believe you may well >have seen the beginnings of a third-party movement in this >country, which will spell the end of the Republican Party," Mr. >Smith said. "There's a lot more people talking about it than you >think, and it's serious talk." > >"Do I support doing it today? No. But do I support talking about >it? Yes," he said. > >He contended that third-party talk was not necessarily suicidal for >conservative Republicans because, if conservatives formed a third >party before the 2000 presidential elections, a competitive three- >way general election would not assure the victory of Vice >President Al Gore or former Sen. Bill Bradley, the two >Democratic presidential hopefuls. > >He argued that a conservative party headed by a credible candidate >would be more formidable than was Mr. Perot's Reform Party. > >"I'm worried for the sake of my party. I don't want the Republican >Party to go away," he said. "I want our values and our beliefs to be >what the party is all about. But if it's not going to be about that, >then we have no choice." > >He said the Republican establishment takes conservatives like >himself "for granted." > >"We're the guys that are there for you. When the [GOP] leaders >need somebody, they don't whip [conservative senators such as] >Bob Smith, Jim Inhofe, Tim Hutchinson or Jesse Helms," he said >of his fellow senators from Oklahoma, Arkansas and North >Carolina, respectively. > >Mr. Smith complained that GOP moderates are constantly wooed >by the party's leadership. "They get all the attention. We've got to >do this for them. . . . There's a lot of anger about it." > >"If you take the pro-life, pro-gun and Christian conservative >people out of the Republican party, well, you don't have a >Republican Party," he said. > >He said he told Sen. Arlen Specter, the liberal Pennsylvania >Republican who is chairman of the Senate Veterans Affairs >Committee: "You're the chairman of a major committee because >of 'those people.' " > >He said "moderates" in the party are frustrated, too, and that a >realignment is shaping up that would see the moderates switch to >the Democratic Party, just as conservative Democrats have >switched to the GOP. > >"Unfortunately, all the conservative Democrats we can get, we >have already gotten," he said. > >Mr. Smith, like many Republicans, has been a hawk on military >defense, but a dove on the Yugoslav war. Yesterday, he criticized >the GOP leadership for ducking the question of whether to declare >war on Yugoslavia. House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert voted with >the Democrats on a resolution backing Mr. Clinton's policy of >bombing Serbia. House Whip Tom DeLay and a majority of other >GOP House members voted against it. > >"Congress has the power to declare war and we are abrogating a >tremendous responsibility at grave risk," he said. "We attacked a >sovereign nation, unprovoked, as far as I'm concerned." [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: "James Boyes" : CEANet917: Let My Date: 20 May 1999 07:52:01 PST On May 19, E. Ray Moore wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Message-ID: <02e501be99e6$bbeaaf00$c6780ccf@default> ======================================= Christian Education Awareness Network (CEANet) Message 917 ======================================= Internet: http://www2.whidbey.net/jmboyes E-mail: jmboyes@whidbey.net ======================================= Exodus 2000 VIDEO RELEASE For Immediate Release, May 9, 1999 Contact Information: Exodus 2000 PO Box 6646 Columbia, SC 29260 Phone: (803) 714-1744 Internet: http://www.exodus2000.org ==================== "LET MY CHILDREN GO" ==================== A Jeremiah Films Video Production by Exodus 2000, May 7, 1999 Exodus 2000 Director, E. Ray Moore, Jr., has written a script for a new video entitled "Let My Children Go," produced and distributed by Jeremiah Films, one of the leading evangelical Christian video companies in the US. "Let My Children Go" has been prepared to encourage Christian families to forsake Pharaoh's school system (government schools) for the promised land of Christian schools or home-schooling. It is hoped that friends and supporters of Exodus 2000 will show "Let My Children Go" in local churches, before civic groups, and on their local cable access or Christian TV stations. Also, it is requested that special showings be made for pastors, church deacon/elder boards, and denominational or ministry leaders. This excellent VHS outreach tool can be ordered immediately by calling Jeremiah Films at (800) 828-2290. Also, you may wish to order extra copies of the "Let My Children Go" promotional flyer to give to your friends, family, and post on church bulletin boards. Exodus 2000 supporters who function as CERT's (Christian Education Renewal Teams), will want to use this video in their communities and local churches as a primary means to promote the Exodus 2000 vision and plan. There are approximately 12-15 million evangelical Christian children remaining in Pharaoh's school system (perhaps over 80-percent of evangelical Christian families). "Let My Children Go" can be used to assist these Christian families in building a Biblical world-view on education, such that they will recognize the need to free themselves from the bondage of government schools. Supporters of Christian schools and home-schooling can use this video as a major tool in helping them win their families, friends, pastors, and fellow church members to join the children's exodus. Early support and circulation of this video is important as the summer months are needed to win over reluctant or hesitant Christian families. We hope to reach these parents with our message before they place their children in Pharaoh's school system for another year where they are in harm's way physically, spiritually, morally, and academically. Many families make these sorts of decisions about their children's education during the summer months. Some pastors and church boards will make decisions to start Christian schools over the summer, given sufficient demand and support from their memberships. Those who have conservative or Christian newsletters, publications, or E-mail loops are also asked to help distribute the news of this challenging new video. ORDERING INFORMATION: NOTE: Please order this video and promotional flyer through Jeremiah Films. Video Title: "Let My Children Go" (VHS, 43 min.) Cost: $24.95 (Remember to order extra copies of the promotional flyer to help advertise this excellent video production.) Jeremiah Films PO Box 1710 Hemet, CA 92546 Order Line: (800) 828-2290 Phone: (909) 652-1006 Fax: (909) 652-5848 Internet: http://www.jeremiahfilms.com Please allow 2-to-3 weeks for delivery. 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Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: 40 years ago we had no school yard massacres (fwd) Date: 20 May 1999 10:17:24 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- A NEW AMERICA Forty years ago when I was a first grade school child guns were as common as dirt. Many, if not most, adult males had a rifle or shotgun in the closet or in a rack in an unlocked truck. Many, if not most, had a .38 revolver in the nightstand drawer near their bed or in the glove box of the car. You could buy a revolver or even a 20mm anti-tank rifle through the mail from advertisers who placed ads in popular magazines. There were no school yard massacres in those days. In those days the possession of so much as a Tijuana stag film could get an adult a few days in the pokey. Booze could not be sold from after midnight Saturday until Monday morning. Stores closed up by 6 PM on every other evening, 9 PM on Fridays and Saturdays. No stores were open on Sunday. The vagrancy laws were enforced, as were the curfew laws for children. If you spoke a racial slur or derogatory remark about someone's family you were likely to get a broken nose for your pains. And then get whipped when you got home and had to explain yourself. Children were not allowed to talk back to their parents, nor were they allowed to run like a pack of wild animals through the stores or up and down the streets. Parents were the authorities you had to answer to. Punishment was a bar of soap in the mouth for lesser crimes and a belt across the buttocks for more serious offenses. All adults in the community were to be obeyed and respected. All adults in the community held themselves to be responsible for all the children. Credit was something precious and hard to get, a badge of higher standing in the community. Bankruptcy was shameful. As was illegitimate birth. A young man who got a girl pregnant and didn't do right by her would never get a responsible job in his own town and would have to spend years proving himself again as trustworthy. Thrift and virtue, virginity and self-restraint, self-reliance and moral character were hallmarks of respect and public esteem. Ministers, school authorities, parents, all firmly believed that they had a moral responsibility to live and conduct themselves, and hold others to high standards of moral conduct and good character. They believed that setting an example for others was a civic obligation. The badge of authority of adulthood. There were no schoolyard massacres in those days. America, since that time you have universalized every form of pornography and filth. You now have normalized every kind and type of perversion and deviancy. You have taught and rewarded Moral Relativism from kindergarten through university for the last four decades. America you have made the murder of babies in the womb a routine substitute for moral character and an acceptable form of birth control, and in so doing proclaimed to all your children that their lives are worthless to you. You have allowed them to become the wards of the state by abandoning them to the public schools and turning your teachers into daycare workers and baby-sitters. You have encouraged and rewarded your children for remaining in a state of immaturity long into their adult years by remaining in that state of self-absorbed immaturity yourself. You have tolerated, and rationalized, and justified self-indulgence as an enshrined right. You, America, planted the seeds of wanton greed, lust, self-glorification, self-righteousness, and arrogance. You have pacified your military into garbage collectors and traffic cops. You have militarized your policemen into paramilitary goon squads and unsupervised spy organizations. You have turned your face away and allowed priests to molest children and go unpunished. You have allowed your judges to become Skinner-Ian social experimenters. You have allowed your leaders to commit flagrant and public crimes and shouted down and demonized those who would hold them accountable. You have closed your eyes to blatant criminal activity and acts of war by your elected representatives so long as your wealth and positions are not harmed. You have labored mightily for forty years and defended your choices against any and all who tried to stop the evil. You have made yourselves into indentured servants to unlimited desires and enslaved yourselves to mindless passions. You have elevated the most corrupt to the highest positions and persecuted those who would try to undo the horrors. Now in your advancing years the fruits of your labors have come home to you. Now the seeds of destruction you sowed, and nurtured, and defended have flourished and are reaching their appointed harvest. Why are you now surprised? You have reached the ultimate fulfillment of all your desires and dreams. Your aspirations have reached maturity. These are your children America. They are everything you raised them to be. They are the epitome of everything you slaved for all these years. The children who have been performing these hideous acts of evil, these schoolyard massacres are not nice, normal, "good kids " who suddenly became deranged, slavering psychotics after touching a gun. Each and every one of them signaled their intent through their behavior months, years in advance. Each of them was known to parents, teachers, police, other children as being twisted, perverse, dangerous, and blatantly so. Each had a long history of flagrantly violent and dangerous behavior that was known to everyone they ever came into contact with. Where were the adults all those years? This is your reward for your lifetime's success at sabotaging, betraying, denying, and overturning a thousand years of law, morality, religion, and culture. Embrace your legacy, your monstrous offspring. They are the mirror image of you, their parents and the society you have reshaped. For a generation you have fought long and hard to achieve this day, You have succeeded. Now those other days are gone. Then, children respected their elders. Parents respected themselves, each other, and their leaders. America was respected by her friends, and by her enemies. There were no schoolyard massacres in those days. Author Unknown - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: 2 CNN quickvotes (fwd) Date: 20 May 1999 10:11:09 PST On May 20, Bob Mueller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] If the juvenile justice bill dies in the Senate whose fault will it be? http://cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/05/18/gun.control/ Should people buying weapons from non-licensed gun show vendors be subject to mandatory background checks? http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/05/17/gun.control/ Bob Mueller - Consultant Compuware Corporation The United States Trotting Association 614-224-2291 Ext. 3234 bmueller@ustrotting.com Get into Harness Racing at http://www.ustrotting.com [-----------------------Forwarded text ends---------------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The NEA's Vision (fwd) Date: 20 May 1999 20:39:50 PST On May 20, Mumpsimus wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The National Education Association released this statement today. For Immediate Release May 20, 1999 Contact: Susan Whitmore, (202) 822-7251 Steve Wollmer, (202) 822-7239 Kathleen Lyons, (202) 822-7213 Statement of Bob Chase National Education Association President on Georgia Shooting and Need for Stricter Gun Laws Our hearts and prayers go out to the students, teachers, parents and families of the victims of the shooting today at Heritage High School, outside Conyers, Georgia. We join all Americans in hoping for a complete recovery of the injured children. We all hoped against hope that the tragic shooting at Columbine High School one month ago today would be the last time this nation had to see the faces of children fleeing from a school in panic. The last time we would hear horrific stories of children shooting classmates. The last time we would have to comfort parents, children and teachers in the aftermath. We hoped. But we feared it wouldn't be the last. For despite the good intentions, the discussion about safety precautions, the coming together of law enforcement, schools and the community in search of answers, the bottom line is that today, guns in America are still much too easily falling into the hands of children. Congress cannot continue to throw up roadblocks to passage of desperately needed, common-sense gun laws. How many more students - children - must be maimed or killed before sensible gun laws are passed? Today, the National Education Association and its 2.4 million members call on Congress to take immediate action on the Children's Gun Violence Prevention Act of 1999 and other pending legislation to keep guns out of the hands of children. Congress must: 7 Establish a Federal Child Access Prevention (CAP) law holding adults responsible if a child gains access to a loaded firearm that has not been properly stored and uses it in the commission of a crime; 7 Require that child safety locks and devices be sold with all new handguns purchased in the United States; 7 Outlaw the transfer to and possession of semi-automatic assault rifles and large capacity ammunition magazines by juveniles; 7 Reinstitute the Brady Law's minimum three-day waiting period for handgun purchases; 7 Close the "gun show," "pawn shop," and all other loopholes by mandating background checks of gun purchasers at these venues; 7 Raise the age of handgun possession to 21 years of age; 7 Extend the Brady Law's background check requirements to the purchase of explosives; 7 Reduce illegal gun trafficking by limiting handgun sales to one per month; 7 Create anonymous tiplines so that students will feel free to alert adults to potential problems. For too long, Congress and our state legislators have been cowed by the gun lobby. Now is the time for them to show some courage. No excuses. No loopholes. They owe it to the students of Springfield, Edinboro, Jonesboro, West Paducah, Pearl, Bethel, Moses Lake, Littleton, Conyers, and children in every community. So do we. Our children need moral direction. But they need more. Our children need a safe and healthy environment in which to grow. At the end of the day, a good moral upbringing will not stop a bullet. Today, we must all take responsibility and personal action to stop gun violence. ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [donb@netcom.com: Democrats for the 2nd Amendment anti gun control petition] (fwd) Date: 20 May 1999 20:41:50 PST On May 20, Bill Campbell wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Cc: donb@netcom15.netcom.com (Don Baldwin) N.B. If this post is appropriate for other Libertarian Party lists, could you either send me their addresses or forward it? Thanks, Don You all may have heard that MOVEON.ORG is sponsoring a petition asking Congress to assume their duties and adopt gun control measures. Well, Democrats for the 2nd Amendment has just launched a site OPPOSING those gun controls. This petition is completely non-partisan in nature, its sole intent being to help preserve our rights. Please drop by our site and sign: Go to: http://www.d2a.org At the top left of the page is a link to the petition. PLEASE sign and let the denizens of DC know what a horrible mistake they're making by attacking our rights. Then tell a few friends about it and ask them to sign. And then please join them in printing it out and distributing some copies to gun stores and gun shows. Best regards, Don Baldwin Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Resignation from NRA (fwd) Date: 21 May 1999 09:46:28 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I am a life member of the NRA, my membership number is FCE 4812IJ. I am sick, tired, and disgusted with NRA's pandering to the gun control crowd and their sellout and endorsement which culminated in the Senate vote that made me, a 25 year retired L.A. Sheriff's Investigator and a Vietnam Veteran a criminal after a lifetime of public service. How did it make me a criminal? I simply will not obey these voodoo laws. In reaction to the NRA's betrayal of the Constitution and the alleged premise upon which you exist, I forthwith resign from the NRA. Because of your penchant to work hand-in-hand with the government and would likely hand over member's names, I want certification from you that my name is removed from the rolls and that I no longer receive the American Rifleman. I wish to be removed from all records of the NRA. Lapierre, you, none of you speak for me or my fellow citizens, and we're much smarter, angrier and disgusted with you and the Beltway Royalty than you are willing to admit. That, or you are secure in your indifference. Please process my resignation immediately, you no longer represent me. Thank you. Joseph A. Horn NRA Life FCE 4812IJ. Address phone fax email - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Resignation from NRA (fwd) Date: 21 May 1999 09:41:33 +0100 Still voting Republican Joe? Or, like most Republicans did you just stay home last election? Boyd Kneeland, NRA JPFO GOA Paul M Watson wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:06:44 -0600 > From: Joe Horn > Subject: Resignation from NRA > > I am a life member of the NRA, my membership number is FCE 4812IJ. > > I am sick, tired, and disgusted with NRA's pandering to the gun control > crowd and their sellout and endorsement which culminated in the Senate vote > that made me, a 25 year retired L.A. Sheriff's Investigator and a Vietnam > Veteran a criminal after a lifetime of public service. How did it make me a > criminal? I simply will not obey these voodoo laws. > > In reaction to the NRA's betrayal of the Constitution and the alleged > premise upon which you exist, I forthwith resign from the NRA. Because of > your penchant to work hand-in-hand with the government and would likely > hand over member's names, I want certification from you that my name is > removed from the rolls and that I no longer receive the American Rifleman. > I wish to be removed from all records of the NRA. Lapierre, you, none of > you speak for me or my fellow citizens, and we're much smarter, angrier and > disgusted with you and the Beltway Royalty than you are willing to admit. > That, or you are secure in your indifference. Please process my resignation > immediately, you no longer represent me. Thank you. > > Joseph A. Horn > NRA Life FCE 4812IJ. > Address > phone > fax > email > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Resignation from NRA (fwd) Date: 21 May 1999 09:41:33 +0100 Still voting Republican Joe? Or, like most Republicans did you just stay home last election? Boyd Kneeland, NRA JPFO GOA Paul M Watson wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:06:44 -0600 > From: Joe Horn > Subject: Resignation from NRA > > I am a life member of the NRA, my membership number is FCE 4812IJ. > > I am sick, tired, and disgusted with NRA's pandering to the gun control > crowd and their sellout and endorsement which culminated in the Senate vote > that made me, a 25 year retired L.A. Sheriff's Investigator and a Vietnam > Veteran a criminal after a lifetime of public service. How did it make me a > criminal? I simply will not obey these voodoo laws. > > In reaction to the NRA's betrayal of the Constitution and the alleged > premise upon which you exist, I forthwith resign from the NRA. Because of > your penchant to work hand-in-hand with the government and would likely > hand over member's names, I want certification from you that my name is > removed from the rolls and that I no longer receive the American Rifleman. > I wish to be removed from all records of the NRA. Lapierre, you, none of > you speak for me or my fellow citizens, and we're much smarter, angrier and > disgusted with you and the Beltway Royalty than you are willing to admit. > That, or you are secure in your indifference. Please process my resignation > immediately, you no longer represent me. Thank you. > > Joseph A. Horn > NRA Life FCE 4812IJ. > Address > phone > fax > email > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Clinton Signs New EO!! (fwd) Date: 21 May 1999 13:35:33 PST On May 21, Eugene Gross wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hi Folks, I have more BAD news. President Clinton recently signed Executive Order (EO) 13107, "Implementation of Human Rights Treaties." The new EO requires federal, state, and local governments to comply immediately with all United Nations treaties, whether or not those treaties have been confirmed (ratified) by the U.S. Senate as required by the Constitution. One of these treaties, the UN Treaty on Genocide, says that persuading someone to change his or her religion is a hate crime punishable by international law. The new EO 13107 is expected to be used by the newly established Office of Religious Persecution Monitoring to arrest and imprison Christian missionaries and witnesses anywhere in the world who preach Jesus only. From now on, this will be considered a hate crime -- genocide. So, Clinton now has the means to punish his one great enemy, according to him (see note I posted a month back) his only real enemy are the right-wing fundamentalists -- namely, Christians who do not compromise their faith!! And with the ability to impose martial law at will, he can at any time move to take full control of the nation as the fascist dictator he really is! En Agape, Gene [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Please Vote. Date: 21 May 1999 14:13:05 +0100 A close friend of mine used to do some database work for a large Republican "think tank" in Washington state. I certainly understand the desire to simply avoid the polls but I hope those of you not voting for principled reasons will reconsider that plan. Most americans have abandoned the voting process for less important reasons then those wich we on this list might adopt. They don't like missing their sitcom, they don't like going out when it's raining and dark etc. If, like me, you're sick and tired of supporting the idiots destroying our republic (or, for those agents reading the list; those who tire of the incremental change to collectivism) your abstinence won't be counted as a dislike of the choices. Political planners will simply assume you had to wash your hair or were afraid of the rain or some such. A far more effective plan IMHO is to go and vote for one thing. All of us can find one small non partisan office to throw a vote away on. Doing that and leaving the other choices blank will have far more effect on political planning then joining the majority who simply stay home. All IMO. Boyd - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Re: Please Vote. Libertarian Date: 21 May 1999 15:03:35 -0700 At 02:13 PM 5/21/1999 +0100, you wrote: >A close friend of mine used to do some database work for a large >Republican "think tank" in Washington state. I certainly understand the >desire to simply avoid the polls but I hope those of you not voting for >principled reasons will reconsider that plan. ... >All of us can find one small non >partisan office to throw a vote away on. Doing that and leaving the >other choices blank will have far more effect on political planning then >joining the majority who simply stay home. All IMO. Boyd Bad suggestion. Nobody will even notice if you leave choices blank. Want to make a difference? Vote LIBERTARIAN. Only the Libertarian party is absolutely dedicated to the Second Amendment. Don't like the Libertarian position on other topics? Don't worry; we Libs hardly ever actually _win_ elections. So you can vote for us even if you disagree with us. Just don't vote for the "lesser of two evils" between a Remocrat and a Depublican. Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. " Buy This Stamp! http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/99/ayn_rand.htm Check out http://www.jewishworldreview.com for your favorite conservative columnists! Worried about the "Good Times" or "AOL4FREE" viruses? Check out the Urban Legends page at http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ for the facts! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Dear NRA Date: 21 May 1999 17:11:20 -0700 Tanya Metsaka of the NRA/ILA used to hang out on this list, 'til she was canned; is there anybody official with the NRA still here? Or can anybody forward it? The NRA's web site doesn't seem to have e-mail addresses for actual people. Dear NRA: Here in Sacramento, CA, the most popular radio talk show host (in fact, the area's most popular radio show, period) is a local fellow named Tom Sullivan. He's a former Marine, former California Highway Patrol officer, who is now a stock broker and does the financial news for a local TV station, and has his own 3-hour radio talk show on KFBK Radio (AM1530) from 1 PM to 4 PM daily. How did an ex-Marine, ex-CHP stock broker get his own radio talk show? Seems he was offered the job after his close friend and fellow KFBK-er Rush Limbaugh left Sacramento in 1987 to start a national talk show; Sullivan took over Rush's afternoon time slot. He's as fair, honest, and level-headed as anybody could be, and is a delightfully refreshing person. He's a defender of the Second Amendment, as you might expect, and has devoted the last couple of days of his show to the discussion of gun control. I called his show yesterday, and he made a stunning point. The _FACTS_, Tom said, are 100% in favor of gun ownership, but in America today, facts aren't important. Kleck's and Lott's statistics about how many times each year people use guns to defend themselves from crimes are boring, because there aren't any dead bodies of people who WERE NOT killed by defending themselves; there are no battered, crying, bruised women who were NOT raped because they had legal guns. The emotional appeal of the bloody bodies trumps the dry facts and statistics every day. Sullivan suggests that the NRA needs to change its advertising. The recent ad campaign with Tom Selleck et. al. focuses on facts; it's not enough. We need to get the message out about how guns PREVENT crimes. I faxed Tom this month's "Armed Citizen" column, and he's not impressed. "Tiny type", he said, "preaching to the choir", and "boring". What we need, Tom suggests, is an ad campaign showing our mothers, grandmothers, sisters, and fathers with their stories of how they defended themselves with firearms. Show photos of Granny in her wheelchair with her gun, and show, Dragnet-style, the photo and rap sheet of the perp she shot. Show the woman who defended herself against her abusive husband, and let her tell, in her own words, how he threatened her, how she called the cops and they couldn't do anything until AFTER he killed her, and how she shot him when he attacked her with a knife. (There's a story like this every other month in "Armed Citizen".) Show the murdered bodies of the women who _couldn't get_ a gun because of the Brady waiting periods, and were murdered while waiting. Show the burned car of Carol & Julie Sund and Silvina Peloso, the murdered Yosemite tourists, with the legend "For want of a gun..." or perhaps "Gun control killed these women." A few years ago, a woman posted her story to the talk.politics.guns newsgroup: how she stopped at a remote interstate rest stop, how, coming out of the ladies room, she was confronted by a big guy with a rope who said "We're going to have a REAL FUN evening!", and how he fled when she pulled a .45 from her purse. Find her, and get her to tell her story on camera. Today on Tom Sullivan's radio show, a fellow talked about being taken hostage with his parents when he was 19, and shooting one of the criminals with his concealed handgun, and how they would have been murdered otherwise. Get that tape; play it. Make it emotional. Make it gut-wrenching. Put it on national TV in prime time. Make it controversial and sensational. I've given a lot of money to the NRA in the last few years, and I'm disappointed in the results. In the last few weeks the NRA has supported ever more restrictions on the rights of law-abiding citizens to own guns and defend themselves, and we're losing the PR war badly. We're supposed to be this big, bad Gun Lobby, all powerful; we're being too nice. I'll pledge ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS to the NRA, on the condition that the NRA make and run a series of emotional, dramatic commercials and advertisement showing real-life armed citizens and their true stories of how they defended themselves. I challenge the rest of my ROC readers to pledge as much as possible on the same condition. Finally, radio talk-show-host Tom Sullivan holds Charleton Heston in great esteem, and would probably be delighted to have Heston on the show for an hour's discussion of the gun rights issue. How about getting Heston on Sullivan's show? Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. " Buy This Stamp! http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/99/ayn_rand.htm Check out http://www.jewishworldreview.com for your favorite conservative columnists! Worried about the "Good Times" or "AOL4FREE" viruses? Check out the Urban Legends page at http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ for the facts! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Re: Dear NRA Date: 22 May 1999 07:05:06 -0500 Kenneth Mitchell wrote: [snip...] >What we need, Tom suggests, is an ad campaign showing our mothers, >grandmothers, sisters, and fathers with their stories of how they >defended themselves with firearms. > > Show photos of Granny in her wheelchair with her gun, and show, >Dragnet-style, the photo and rap sheet of the perp she shot. Show the [snip...] Mike Foster ran a commercial of this type during his gubernatorial campaign in Louisiana. An older woman, probably 70-ish, held a pisol and told how she protected herself against a robber. Perhaps the NRA should contact his PR people and get a clue. --Bob in Mississippi State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: E.T. Poll (fwd) Date: 22 May 1999 07:53:24 PST On May 22, Travis L. Hambach wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Entertainment Tonight poll about Rosie O'Donnell & Tom Selleck. We're slightly ahead. http://www.etonline.com/html/NewsItems/19037.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Re: Dear NRA Date: 22 May 1999 10:08:22 -0700 At 07:05 AM 5/22/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Kenneth Mitchell wrote: >[snip...] >>What we need, Tom suggests, is an ad campaign showing our mothers, >grandmothers, sisters, and fathers with their stories of how they >defended themselves with firearms. >> >> Show photos of Granny in her wheelchair with her gun, and show, >Dragnet-style, the photo and rap sheet of the perp she shot. Show the >[snip...] > >Mike Foster ran a commercial of this type during his gubernatorial >campaign in Louisiana. An older woman, probably 70-ish, held a pisol >and told how she protected herself against a robber. Perhaps the NRA >should contact his PR people and get a clue. Good idea. Tanya Metaksa _did_ contact me; she forwarded my suggestion to someone at NRA HQ. (And gently took me to task for misspelling her name, so please permit me to apologize publicly and to get it _right_ this time.) And yes, the NRA needs to "get a clue"; we're losing the PR war, which is being fought on a strictly EMOTIONAL basis. And since the NRA is trying to use LOGIC and REASON, we're essentially fighting with both hands tied. Speaking of emotionalism: the ultra-liberal Sacramento Bee newspapepr (available online at http://www.sacbee.com) ran an article about Richmond, VA's "Project Exile" experiment, which has been heavily hyped by the NRA. Somebody with detailed knowledge of the genesis of "Project Exile" needs to read the article and comment, because a major sub-point of the article is that the NRA is a Johnny-come-lately, merely promoting the program as a way to avoid having "reasonable gun controls" enacted. Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. " Buy This Stamp! http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/99/ayn_rand.htm Check out http://www.jewishworldreview.com for your favorite conservative columnists! Worried about the "Good Times" or "AOL4FREE" viruses? Check out the Urban Legends page at http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ for the facts! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: McGehee's News & Comment - May 22, 1999 (fwd) Date: 22 May 1999 21:12:48 PST On May 22, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT (c) 1999 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mcgeheezone.com/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ FREE MEN DON'T WORK FOR WAGES I get tired of talking about what's wrong with America, and I can't imagine you have infinite stamina for hearing about it. So this week I'm going to start summer vacation a little early and talk about something else entirely. In the days before the Industrial Revolution, wealth, freedom and power all had tangible roots in a single concept: ownership. Any man who owned the means of his livelihood was regarded as a man of importance, because so long as no one could challenge his ownership he need bow to no man. Before the Industrial Revolution it would have been utterly unimaginable that landowners would work for wages. Land ownership was freedom; wage work was a much softened form of serfdom. The two simply could not go together. Yet today the vast majority of landowners -- homeowners -- are also wage-earners. One could say this proves that the pre-industrial view was wrong, but I don't. Freedom of the halfway sort is like being sick, and taking a painkiller instead of seeking a cure. The American Dream has been too narrowly defined. It's not the house with the white picket fence and two-car garage, it's the freedom once represented by ownership of the means of one's own livelihood. In the late 20th Century that means is one's own business, and in the coming century it will be even more so. Entrepreneurship is the key to the kind of true freedom represented by Jefferson's often misunderstood phrase, "pursuit of happiness." Time being a non-renewable resource, and the most precious asset anyone owns, it shouldn't be sold routinely for the enrichment of someone else, but invested for one's own enrichment. Of course, most businesses fail within a few years of starting. But that's why entrepreneurship is so attractive -- because of the risk, the rewards are proportionally greater. Still, the whole idea of America was always that everyone would be free, not just a lucky few... In the 20th Century entrepreneurship has been represented by the little Mom-and-Pop store on the corner, or such variations thereof as the times might suggest, such as a restaurant franchise, or a storefront in a mini-mall. The face of entrepreneurship is changing dramatically, though, as the dawn of the 21st Century looms. Electronic commerce, the buying and selling of goods and services over the Internet, is already booming, accounting for a share of the gross domestic product that grows by leaps and bounds with each passing month. The outfit rightfully calling itself "Earth's biggest bookstore" is an Internet e-commerce venture. And it encourages small-scale e-commerce entrepreneurship by offering commissions to any webmaster who directs would-be book buyers to them from his or her own website. The principle is simple, and Amazon isn't alone in pioneering this concept. In effect, my own McGehee Zone Bookstore is the Internet version of a traditional franchise, without the huge start-up costs associated with opening a bricks-and-mortar McDonald's. Any business concept that has worked in the pre-electronic marketplace can be adapted to e-commerce. And all of them ARE being adapted. Free men don't work for wages. Those who wish to be free are, I'm sure, always looking for an opportunity to win their freedom. The place to be looking right now is cyberspace. My Amazon-associated bookstore certainly isn't the only opportunity I'm exploring. In a day when it seems that the freedom of wage-serfs is constantly being squeezed into nothingness, it's reassuring to know that there are alternatives. You just need to know where to look, or whom to ask. -30- May 22, 1999 ================================================================ **Visit the McGEHEE'S NEWS & COMMENT archives** http://www.mcgeheezone.com/news&comment/ The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: TRIVIA: who is our highest paid civil servant? (fwd) Date: 22 May 1999 23:27:15 PST On May 23, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] It used to be that all tax bills had to originate in the House of Representatives. That was when the Constitution was in effect. It has been declared irrelevant (eg gun control, the impeachment farce) and we are at the mercy of thousands of fedl agencies who need to tax us to promote their individual agendas. Is there any way we can make these bureaucrats run for office before they tax us? Rich Martin Editor of Slick On Thursday, May 27, the Federal Communications Commission is set to approve a doubling of the Gore Tax. One day before the FCC will double the Gore Tax, the Senate Commerce Committee is scheduled to hold an oversight hearing. It is urgent that taxpayers across the country contact the Senators on the Commerce Committee and urge them to force the FCC to account for the fact that the FCC and Gore have wasted countless taxpayer-dollars by paying Gore's old political crony, Ira Fishman, $250,000 a year to run the program (more than any other federal employee - including Bill Clinton), and just 4 percent of the $2 billion that schools requested so far has gone to pay for actual Internet access - the rest went for bureaucratic overhead, and ripping up walls, repairing carpets and other extra costs. The FCC should also be called to account for whether the program is even necessary due to the fact that over 70 percent of schools are already on the Net. And most importantly, the FCC must be called to account for the fact that they are directly violating Article 1, Section 8 of Constitution, which says only "Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes." 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Show your love of liberty by flying the 13 star Betsy Ross flag. 3 ft X 5ft polyester with metal gromets. $14.95 + $2.50 S&H. Wholesale prices available to dealers. E-mail for dealer information, or send order to: P. Long, Dept. S, PO Box 23963, Tucson, AZ 85734 russ45@primenet.com And don't forget, June 14 is Flag day. It flies upsidedown as well as rightside up. RichSlick If you have your own web site, you know it's not enough to be on the internet with 30,000,000 geeks. Oh, search engines are great---for the other guy, but wouldn't you prefer to be a little more direct? Instead of trying to reach millions of people who can't spell your name, here's your chance to target thousands of politically active people like yourself. Send e-mail for details to RichSlick. THE TRUTH IS... A. Powerful. C. In the eye of the beholder. B. Irrelevant. D. All of the above. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Please Vote. Libertarian Date: 23 May 1999 16:51:10 +0100 In response to people bailing on major political orgs and talking about not voting I explained why I thought voting was important. Since I explained -why-, and gave my credibility on it maybe you could explain why leaving blanks is worse then not voting? -Boyd (who hasnt ever suggested not voting LP) Kenneth Mitchell wrote: > > At 02:13 PM 5/21/1999 +0100, you wrote: > >A close friend of mine used to do some database work for a large > >Republican "think tank" in Washington state. I certainly understand the > >desire to simply avoid the polls but I hope those of you not voting for > >principled reasons will reconsider that plan. ... > >All of us can find one small non > >partisan office to throw a vote away on. Doing that and leaving the > >other choices blank will have far more effect on political planning then > >joining the majority who simply stay home. All IMO. Boyd > > Bad suggestion. Nobody will even notice if you leave choices blank. > > Want to make a difference? Vote LIBERTARIAN. Only the Libertarian party is absolutely dedicated to the Second Amendment. > > Don't like the Libertarian position on other topics? Don't worry; we Libs hardly ever actually _win_ elections. So you can vote for us even if you disagree with us. Just don't vote for the "lesser of two evils" between a Remocrat and a Depublican. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net > 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) > --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ > "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created > equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain > unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the > pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments > are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the > consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government > becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People > to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, > laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers > in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their > Safety and Happiness. " > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Buy This Stamp! http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/99/ayn_rand.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Check out http://www.jewishworldreview.com for your favorite > conservative columnists! > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Worried about the "Good Times" or "AOL4FREE" viruses? Check out the > Urban Legends page at http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ for the facts! > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Re: Please Vote. Libertarian Date: 23 May 1999 21:21:08 -0700 At 04:51 PM 5/23/1999 +0100, you wrote: >In response to people bailing on major political orgs and talking about >not voting I explained why I thought voting was important. Since I >explained -why-, and gave my credibility on it maybe you could explain >why leaving blanks is worse then not voting? It's not _worse_; it's just no _better_. The thing is, nobody will notice! The ballots are machine-tabulated, and I'd be REALLY surprised if anybody bothers to compare the vote totals for one race to another. And if they did, what message would they get? If a protest marcher is carrying a BLANK sign, what's he saying? I suggest that what the viewer reads into that sign, or that blank on the ballot, will reflect what HE believes, rather than what the PROTESTER/VOTER believes. It would be an interesting psychological experiment, perhaps. Now, if there was a "None of the Above" option..... Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. " Buy This Stamp! http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/99/ayn_rand.htm Check out http://www.jewishworldreview.com for your favorite conservative columnists! Worried about the "Good Times" or "AOL4FREE" viruses? Check out the Urban Legends page at http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ for the facts! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Please Vote. Libertarian Date: 23 May 1999 21:58:42 +0100 Well, saying it was a bad idea seemed worse then "no difference" to me when I read it. In my original I was trying to imply that I had first hand knowledge that exactly "...anybody bothers to compare the vote totals for one race to another". Both parties buy election data at every cycle and among the first tests run (at least in my _friends_ experience in the GOP in Washington) are "who voted" and "wha'd they vote for" including races left blank. My original message was about people showing up. We've seen a couple messages lately from people who don't want to show up and don't want to "be on lists". I encourage people to "be on lists" at every turn and I think a lot of that target audience (wich I was surprised to see we have right here on ROC) are less willing to respond to the Libertarian message (wich I wholeheartedly endorse) then to the more basic "just show up" wich is more general and every bit as valid. The enemies of freedom have done very well indeed with incrementalism and I think it's valid to consider showing up to the polls for whatever reason works for you. If it's statistical and vague-ish like leaving most races blank then good on ya. If you can accept, like me, what some people in our freedom starved reality call the "Radical" Libertarian platform then more power to you! But both roads lead to the same result, a turning away from the demopublicans who got us here and are digging us in with the efficiency of a well oiled beuracracy. Boyd NRA JPFO GOA LP (among other fine lists) Kenneth Mitchell wrote: > > At 04:51 PM 5/23/1999 +0100, you wrote: > >In response to people bailing on major political orgs and talking about > >not voting I explained why I thought voting was important. Since I > >explained -why-, and gave my credibility on it maybe you could explain > >why leaving blanks is worse then not voting? > > It's not _worse_; it's just no _better_. The thing is, nobody will notice! The ballots are machine-tabulated, and I'd be REALLY surprised if anybody bothers to compare the vote totals for one race to another. And if they did, what message would they get? > > If a protest marcher is carrying a BLANK sign, what's he saying? I suggest that what the viewer reads into that sign, or that blank on the ballot, will reflect what HE believes, rather than what the PROTESTER/VOTER believes. It would be an interesting psychological experiment, perhaps. > > Now, if there was a "None of the Above" option..... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net > 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) > --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ > "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created > equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain > unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the > pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments > are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the > consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government > becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People > to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, > laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers > in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their > Safety and Happiness. " > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Buy This Stamp! http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/99/ayn_rand.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Check out http://www.jewishworldreview.com for your favorite > conservative columnists! > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Worried about the "Good Times" or "AOL4FREE" viruses? Check out the > Urban Legends page at http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ for the facts! > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Re: Please Vote. Libertarian Date: 24 May 1999 09:47:36 -0700 At 09:58 PM 5/23/1999 +0100, you wrote: >Well, saying it was a bad idea seemed worse then "no difference" to me >when I read it. In my original I was trying to imply that I had first >hand knowledge that exactly "...anybody bothers to compare the vote >totals for one race to another". Both parties buy election data at every >cycle and among the first tests run (at least in my _friends_ experience >in the GOP in Washington) are "who voted" and "wha'd they vote for" >including races left blank. Interesting; I was unaware that anybody paid attention to vote total discrepancies. I still think that the message sent by a blank on the ballot is open to misinterpretation. I remember some friends from the early '70's who decided to "screw with the minds" of some Illinois highway department people. Their grand idea? They'd drive HALFWAY OVER one of those vehicle counting strips, and then CARRY the back of their VW Beetle over the strip so that it would register 1/2 of a car. They weren't really happy when I pointed out that this would make them look like a 2-wheeled trailer to the car before them. >If you can >accept, like me, what some people in our freedom starved reality call >the "Radical" Libertarian platform then more power to you! But both >roads lead to the same result, a turning away from the demopublicans who >got us here and are digging us in with the efficiency of a well oiled >beuracracy. Boyd NRA JPFO GOA LP (among other fine lists) Well, I've never supported the idea of trying to hide from the government; I always figured that if the government was out to get me, I wanted to be fairly high-profile, since at least this way somebody would miss me! Ken (who belongs to EACH of those same fine lists, and who is < a subscriber to American Spectator as well! :-) ) Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (vm) 916-729-0966 (fax) --------------http://www.gvn.net/~creative/------------------------ "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. " Buy This Stamp! http://www.usps.gov/images/stamps/99/ayn_rand.htm Check out http://www.jewishworldreview.com for your favorite conservative columnists! Worried about the "Good Times" or "AOL4FREE" viruses? Check out the Urban Legends page at http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ for the facts! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 5/24 (fwd) Date: 24 May 1999 22:38:06 PST On May 24, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 11:14 AM The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU=C9 - May 24, 1999 Now on the Web at http://members.aol.com/educintel/eia + The AFT-affiliated Florida Education Association/United approved merge= r with the Florida Teaching Profession-NEA at a special meeting in Orlando = over the weekend. The vote was unanimous, which once again points out the structural differences between the two unions. The NEA Representative Assembly will take up the issue of state mergers this July, and will be asked to vote on the report of the NEA Advisory Committee on Unity. The committee was formed after last year's national merger vote and directed to survey the delegates in an effort to determine how future merger negotiations should proceed. The survey resul= ts have been closely guarded, but NEA President Bob Chase did say this durin= g his National Press Club speech in March: "It was very interesting at the Representative Assembly, one of the requests that was made was that we po= ll our members to see where they are on a whole host of questions, and one o= f the questions that was asked amounted to a 'do you or don't you favor merger?' and there were an overwhelming number of folks -- it was in the = 80 percent, 86 percent, I think -- who indicated to one degree or another th= at they did, and only 14.6 percent who said they opposed it in any way, shap= e or form." It's difficult to see why these numbers encourage Chase. Since merger opponents need only 33.4 percent of the delegate vote to defeat merger, t= hese numbers indicate that almost half of what they need is rock solid no matt= er what deal NEA and AFT negotiate. Throw in AFL-CIO affiliation and/or open ballots and/or increased centralization and you've got another loser. + "I wonder if the average teacher knows what happened and the significan= ce and impact of it," said Bob Boyd, general counsel and vice chairman of th= e Professional Educators Network of Florida, an alternative teachers association. He was speaking about the Florida merger vote but the same question can be asked of many union issues. And, if the members of the Alabama Education Association are any measure, member understanding of th= eir union should not be overestimated. AEA released the membership survey it conducted in December, and the results were startling, even for seasoned teacher union observers. Here i= s a sample: "How much do you participate in your local education association? Would y= ou say that you are:" Very active 13% Somewhat active 47% Not active 40% "Do you consider the Alabama Education Association to be part of organize= d labor and the labor movement?" Yes 42% No 46% Don't know 12% "Do you consider the National Education Association to be part of organiz= ed labor and the labor movement?" Yes 49% No 39% Don't know 12% "Which of the following would you say best describes the Alabama Educatio= n Association or AEA?" A labor union 2% A professional union 10% A professional association 13% A professional association that bargains for and represents its members 7= 5% Don't know 1% "Which of the following would you say best describes the National Educati= on Association or NEA?" A labor union 5% A professional union 14% A professional association 48% A professional association that bargains for and represents its members 2= 9% Don't know 4% If AEA members are representative of teacher union members elsewhere, in that they either don't know or don't believe that their union is part = of organized labor and the labor movement, it has significant implications f= or public education reform as well as for union merger. Additional questions provided other eye-opening answers: "If NEA merged with the American Federation of Teachers and required affiliation of AEA with the AFL-CIO, would you remain a member of AEA?" Yes 68% No 15% Don't know 18% "Currently, AEA and NEA are unified. To join one, you must be a member of both. If you were not required to join NEA to be a member of AEA, would y= ou choose to be a member of NEA?" Would join NEA 53% Would not join NEA 42% Don't know 5% It was the unified dues issue that turned the Missouri State Teachers Association from an NEA affiliate into an independent union in the 1970s. Judging by these two questions, one wonders if AEA is pondering a similar move should the national merger ever take place. + Charter school advocates will rally today in front of the California S= tate Capitol to protest a union-sponsored bill that would require all charter schools to abide by the collective bargaining agreements of the district = in which they are located. Both NEA and the California Teachers Association = have alternately praised and damned charter schools. Fortunately, there's a ne= w EIA report to straighten out the union position. Commissioned by the Alex= is de Tocqueville Institution, the study appears on its website at http://www.adti.net + The Illinois Education Association's delegate assembly approved a plan= to make the union's vice president and secretary-treasurer full-time employe= es. IEA will also add an organizer for higher education and a full-time webma= ster. + I highly recommend an extensive report in Sunday's Seattle Times by Jol= ayne Houtz on teacher dismissals in Washington state. It's fair and well-reaso= ned and can be accessed at http://www.seattletimes.com/news/education/html98/badd_19990523.html + Due to the Memorial Day holiday, next week's communiqu=E9 will appear = on Tuesday, June 1. + Quote of the Week #1: "Bush and the Legislature are no more interested= in fairness for education than President Milosevic is interested in fairness= for the Kosovar Albanians." -- Florida Teaching Profession-NEA President Maur= een Dinnen. + Quote of the Week #2: "This is one of the best things that can happen = to the teacher unions, to me as state party chairman and to the Democratic Party." -- Florida Democratic Party Chairman Charles Whitehead, expressin= g his glee over the merger votes of FTP-NEA and FEA/United. # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, analysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. = Fax: 916-392-1482. E-Mail: EducIntel@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: rkba-list: Alan Gottlieb on CBS evening News Tonight! (fwd) Date: 25 May 1999 11:12:36 PST On May 25, NRAMCKCWA@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] <> - <> - <> - <> - <> - <> Please forward <> - <> - <> - <> - <> - <> Friends, Alan Gottlieb of "Citizens for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms" and the "Second Amendment Foundation" will be on CBS Evening News with Dan Rather tonight. He will discuss pro-gun view of the Colorado shootings and the Senate's passage of S. 254. Maybe we should flood CBS with our "positive" reactions to the show. Cordially, Charles Long Political Action Director & Webmaster Council For Legislative Action, Washington claw@halcyon.com http://www.halcyon.com/claw Political Action Director & Webmaster NRA Member Council of King County http://members.aol.com/NRAMCKCWA Member the Website Team for WE CARE, the PAC created to DEFEAT INITIATIVE 676 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: L.A. DA Jim Hahn: No Guns For Niggers & Spics . . . (fwd) Date: 26 May 1999 00:40:35 PST Well, we allways knew gun control was racist to the core, but even for off the cuff, this is a bit much. _Especially_ for a Public Official..... On May 26, Nramancpe@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] My sources were able to get me an account of an off-the-cuff, off-the-record=20 session between Los Angeles City Attorney James K. Hahn and a few reporters.=20 Hahn was in an ebullient mood, having just announced that L.A. was going to=20 sue gun manufacturers. Here's how it went: =09Freely admitting that his office had failed miserably in dealing with=20 gun-wielding criminals, L.A. City Attorney James K. Hahn today announced tha= t=20 Los Angeles will sue gun makers for the actions of criminals.=20 =09=93We=92ve been outsmarted and just plain had our asses kicked by all=20 these spic and nigger gangs in the city,=94 said Hahn. =93I need to save fac= e=20 somehow, so I figured we could blame the gun manufacturers for gun crimes.= =94=20 Lack of Talent, Effort in D.A.=92s Office Cited=20 Hahn and Los Angeles joined a growing list of cities that conceded defeat in=20 enforcing existing gun laws. Hahn agreed with journalists present at the=20 press conference announcing the suit that his department, like so many other= s=20 big-city D.A. offices, was loaded with dead-weight, no-talent, inefficient=20 and unethical personnel who lacked the competence to prosecute gun crimes.=20 =93I won=92t deny that we=92re clearly sucking hind tit to all these wetback = and=20 spook gangbangers who keep getting away with murder, =93he said, =93but do y= ou=20 really expect us to put people in jail?=94 =93Jeez, that takes some effort a= nd=20 we=92re on the public payroll. You should know we can=92t be expected to do = a=20 decent job,=94 Hahn added.=20 Gun Makers at Fault The decision by the D.A.=92s office to join other cities, including San=20 Francisco,=20 represents a new focus in the gun control movement. Hahn claimed that gun=20 manufacturers =93need to be psychic.=94 =93If they were doing their jobs rig= ht,=20 they=92d be able to tell me the names and addresses of the criminals that=20 bought their guns,=94 Hahn whined. =93As it is, now me and my staff have to=20 shuffle all sorts of papers, and staple them together, and all that stuff.=20 It=92s almost like work!=94 Hahn also said that the suit against the gun ind= ustry=20 was =93more about changing the way they do business than about money.=94=20 Keeping Guns Away from Hispanics and Blacks Important=20 When asked to clarify that statement, Hahn answered,=94 Well, right now we=20 really can=92t ban guns, unfortunately. But we can start to make it harder f= or=20 all the goddamned spics and niggers to get hold of them.=94 Hahn didn=92t se= em at=20 all fazed when asked how such statements would sit with LAPD Chief Bernard=20 Parks, an African-American, and various Hispanic City Council members, Hahn=20 replied, =94Bernie=92s a good nigger, and a lot of those beaners also know I= =92m=20 just looking out for their best interests. These people are too stupid and=20 crime-prone to own guns. They=92ll thank me in the end.=94=20 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: L.A. DA Jim Hahn: No Guns For Niggers & Spics . . . (fwd) Date: 26 May 1999 20:53:06 PST The truth outs..... On May 26, Nramancpe@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Dear Dave - This is a parody. I wrote it. Sorry you took it to be true. I deliberately made it so outrageous that it would seem that it's obviously a parody. Actually, it comes from a one-page "mock" edition of the "Lost Angeles Timid" (spoofing the L.A. Times) which I composed and faxed off to some fellow activists - and Jim Hahn's office as well. Cordially, Craig Edwards [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: "IN YOUR LIFETIME" (fwd) Date: 26 May 1999 21:13:23 PST On May 26, JASPAR@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ***** Please Cross-Post ***** IN YOUR LIFETIME Letter from Joel Friedman, President of the NRA Members Council of Pasadena-Foothills, CA. It has been posted here at his request. He can be e-mailed at Joel has defended the Second Amendment on numerous television news programs and radio talk shows. ----- May 26, 1999 Dear Fellow RKBA Activist: Like most of you I have been watching and reading about the events over the last month. Like most of you I have been thinking about what it means. I have read some well-written articles and posts and have thought about them as they relate to pending legislation, the coming elections, and the next 20 years. While forming new political parties or starting boycotts and other ideas are important and might need to be done, I also have an idea I must put forth. I want to propose a concrete, hands-on project that I believe can make a major, long term impact in defending our rights. And we need to do it NOW. The event that brought this idea to fruition for me was Rosie O Donnell s attack on Tom Selleck like he was a monster for supporting the NRA. I am told O Donnell apologized. The apology means nothing. What does matter is that O Donnell actually lost control. She is a professional who could not manage her mouth and made herself look mentally deranged over the issue of firearms. If the gun issue is so emotionally intense that even so-called professionals can lose it, what about John and Jane Q. Public? Not so long ago, a dear friend of mine talked and wrote about winning the hearts and minds of those people not committed to our cause. He asked the single most important question of our time: "Who have you TALKED to and tried to convince that gun control is wrong?" My friend taught me that the gun rights movement is ultimately a war of words. There are two ways that words are used. They can be written (such as this post) or they can be spoken. Like it or not, the truth is that most of us are not SPEAKING enough. I don't mean speaking to each other. I mean going out into the general population, and going to different clubs and gatherings, like women's clubs, social clubs, business and civic groups, and many others. I know this is not a new idea. I know that many of you who are reading this post will think that it is a great idea--but that it is not for you. My response is, IT HAD BETTER BECOME YOU. Too much time already has passed. Our cause needs missionary people, and we need them NOW. Even if you think you can't do this, you had better take a moment and have a real heart to heart talk with the person in the mirror -- because if it is not YOU, then who? If it is not NOW ... WHEN? How bad does it have to get for you? You might consider getting together with others right away and have some practice sessions "out loud" where you can improve your verbal and arguing skills. Will you ever be perfect? NO! Will there be room for improvement? DEFINITELY! Would you like a professional to help you learn how to do this effectively? ABSOLUTELY! But ... guess what? In the last analysis, you are on your own. I am not a full-fledged expert, but I do know that I only got better with a lot of practice. Remember, we are trying to win the hearts and minds of average people who know little or nothing about firearms and frankly could not care less. These people only get interested at a time like this, when the media and the politicians are driving another wave of gun control. Average people are scared by words like "from my cold dead fingers," but many love to hear about SAFETY, RESPONSIBILITY, AND FREEDOM. This is going to have to be a grassroots program. None of the national organizations are able to spend the time and money necessary to whip a bunch of activists into a lean, mean, missionary machine. Stop worrying about where you might hide, or where should you move, or should you, should you .... Go to the mirror and tell the person you see that YOU have to do this, and just start doing it NOW. This is the ONLY way YOU can make a difference over the long haul. It is the only way when another Littleton and Georgia occur. Then there will more of us out there to calm the politicians, argue with the media, and keep our rights. I have had experience in dealing with the media and have done public speaking. I don't know all the answers, but I probably know some that can help you. I want to start this project by offering a forum which I will moderate. I am presently creating a very private, by-invitation-only email list for people interested in REALLY WORKING on this idea. Send me an email right away if you are interested. The email list will be extremely focused. The work that needs to be done is tremendous, but it can be done. The initial purposes of the email list will be to: 1. Identify our short term and long term goals; 2. Identify the different types of groups we want to target; 3. Arrange for people to work with each other to practice and improve their skills; 4. Share in the work of processing the requests for speakers and/or debaters; and, MOST IMPORTANT, 5. Gather and share information IMMEDIATELY on what our opponents are saying and exactly what we need to say for an effective response. If we can get this project off the ground, we can look at having ACTUAL TRAINING SESSIONS taught by people who are experts in this field. I firmly believe that this effort is something that must be done. Our opponents are well-financed and dedicated. They will not rest until they have won. I am a longtime NRA supporter, but this project is NOT an NRA project. (But I would have no problem asking the NRA for help.) Your choice is simple: Get with the program, or stand by and watch your rights disappear in your lifetime. --Joel Friedman email: MOCHI1@ix.netcom.com ***** Please Cross-Post ***** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: NRA on Lautenberg (fwd) Date: 27 May 1999 08:19:18 PST On May 26, RHill@MICKEY.GC.WHECN.EDU wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://www.nraila.org/research/rilaut.htm Lautenberg -- Massive New Powers for Federal Gun Police Don't believe Clinton's deceptive media spin -- Lautenberg is not about "instant check" at gun shows. "Offering" to "exchange" a single firearm = at an "event" would be banned. Not one of these words is defined in = Federal law, but they all describe crimes that could send you to federal = prison. The National Matches -- Camp Perry -- is an "event!" So is your gun club's Sunday trap shoot. Even talking about a gun at an "event" could be seen = as an "offer" -- all banned under Lautenberg. Lautenberg is an unprecedented danger to your civil liberties. It establishes a huge tangled maze of new regulations, and gives enormous = power to Federal firearms police to interpret a host of undefined terms that = have never appeared in firearms law -- terms that can be used to prosecute = and imprison honest gun owners. Lautenberg registers gun owners. If you are not a licensed firearms = dealer and attend a gun show, even without bringing a gun, and you so much as discuss the possibility of selling a gun, you would be required to sign = "a ledger with identifying information." Gun show promoters would be = required to retain these ledgers indefinitely for federal police inspection. Lautenberg registers gun collectors. If you are at home with a firearm collection of fifty or more firearms, it would be a five-year felony to "offer" or "exchange" a single gun -- even between family or friends -- unless you first registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and pay an unlimited fee. Lautenberg requires the impossible. A gun show promoter is somehow = expected to be able to read the mind of every show attendee who intends to = discuss selling a firearm. Since that's impossible, gun show promoters would = have to check the identification of every show attendee, and would be required = to keep massive records on gun owners. Lautenberg invades the privacy of honest citizens. It orders the = federal government to retain for 90 days personal information about a = law-abiding citizen who clears an instant check. Current law demands that = information be destroyed immediately. Lautenberg authorizes a new, unlimited federal tax =D0 letting the = government charge whatever fee it likes to perform an instant background check. Lautenberg is not just about gun shows. If, as a private citizen, you display a firearm at a gun show, but make a sale months later to = someone you met at the show, you would be subject to all the same requirements = imposed on a sale that occurs at a show. None of these provisions have anything to do with school violence or = violent crime of any kind. They would create an enormous maze of complex new = federal regulations, designed to trap you and fellow gun owners in a snare of obscure restrictions for activities that have always been lawful and constitutionally protected. Failure to comply with any of these = restrictions will mean five years of federal jail time and crippling fines -- and permanent loss of gun ownership rights. No matter when you read this, call your Congressman immediately! Call 202/225-3121 and tell him to oppose Lautenberg! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: call your congresscritter (fwd) Date: 27 May 1999 09:48:04 PST On May 27, Shimm, David wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Below is a snippet from today's Washington Post. Call your congressman NOW (call the local office as well as the DC office) and let's show them they're wrong. A Gun Bill in the House Thursday, May 27, 1999; Page A38 THE MAILBAGS and e-mail baskets of House members continue to reflect strong public pressure for protection from gunfire [and] have forced at least some Republicans to change their tunes. ...GOP leaders in the House -- while not exactly stampeding toward serious regulation of America's outlandishly loose gun markets -- have budged a bit. ...[and] announced support for the modest measures included in the legislation passed by the Senate... More members are finding out that they can stray from the hard line of the NRA gun-pushers and live politically to tell about it. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Women Against Gun Control Needs Help (fwd) Date: 27 May 1999 10:09:51 PST On May 26, Ned Kelly wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Women Against Gun Control Needs A Volunteer Webmaster If you, or know someone, who can help them let them know at this site: http://www.wagc.com/email/email-comments.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Call to arms (fwd) Date: 27 May 1999 23:56:01 PST I don't recall the exact refs at the moment, but it is also Federal Law that: 1. Females may also be in the Militia on condition that they are Officers. 2. Those of us who are Veterans are Officially in the Militia until the age of 65. Just a couple of lesser known points..... On May 27, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] "They tell us, Sir, that we are weak unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of People, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Beside, Sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of Nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, Sir, is not to the strong alone. It is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, Sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable. and let it come! I repeat, Sir, let it come! It is in vain, Sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace! -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the North will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our breathren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that Gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery! Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" http://thePentagon.com/FullBookJacket > http://GunsSaveLives.com | This immortal speech has just as much meaning in 1999 as it did in 1775. http://tod.newportnet.com/lady/LIBERTY.htm [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: K-Mart reponse, a female point-of-view (fwd) Date: 28 May 1999 06:56:12 PST Ok guys, check this out. Sister Alia seems to be one sharp cookie. Now for the 64 cent question, (inflation): Does this suggest any approaches we might take in getting _our_ messages across? On May 27, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Forwarded Message: Subj: Re: Why K-Mart isn't #1 any more Okay. Another bullet from me. K-Mart is not being dumb. K-Mart knows the overwhelming purchasing group with power in America is female. And, the overwhelming amount of females would/could never get the attention of such a hunk of male as Tom Selleck (read George Gilders' Men & Marriage for more data on this). Rosie was used because she is so little-sisterish and unattractive that a majority of females will not feel threatened or intimidated by this "helpless" sister who cannot find a man to cherish her. They will back this sister up. Why? In doing so, the femmes get to feel more beautiful and powerful than Rosie. This is classic female behavior. And they get to "payback" at Tom Selleck for all the males they loved but who rejected them. So, bring on Rosie to go after the hunk Selleck and his pistol; and many jealous women feel vindicated. And of course, would want to shop at K-Mart -- who understands their female rages. It was a set-up job, and all about bottom-line profit. Further, if more ugly femmes demand, now, that K-Mart STOP selling guns. K-Mart can rail in defense to the 2nd Amendment Supporters -- "our client base asked us to: we are a private business". "Sorry guys, we are business, we did all we could... blah blah" What Rosie did as a host was extremely rude. That she is also stupid was only magnified. She got used. Her own ignorance was used by powers beyond her ability to fathom. This is just SOB as usual. ...Alia [snip] >v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ > THE MICHAEL NEW ACTION FUND > P.O. Box 100 > Iredell, Texas 76649 > MICHAEL NEW Home Page > v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ > MEMORIAL DAY > > Memorial Day is coming. Show your love of liberty by flying > the 13 star Betsy Ross flag. 3 ft X 5ft polyester with metal > gromets. $14.95 + $2.50 S&H. Wholesale prices available to > dealers. E-mail for dealer information, or send order to: > P. Long, Dept. S, PO Box 23963, Tucson, AZ 85734 > russ45@primenet.com > > And don't forget, June 14 is Flag day. It flies upsidedown > as well as rightside up. RichSlick > > If you have your own web site, you know it's not enough > to be on the internet with 30,000,000 geeks. Oh, search > engines are great---for the other guy, but wouldn't you > prefer to be a little more direct? Instead of trying to > reach millions of people who can't spell your name, here's > your chance to target thousands of politically active > people like yourself. Send e-mail for details to RichSlick. > > * * * * * > > Subscribe to this Slick e-zine featuring Kathie's Korner, > and receive absolutely free, a copy of Rich's Major Media > Mailing List containing over 400 e-mail addresses. To > subscribe, send your check for $12.50 to the address at the > top of this message. Be sure to include your e-mail address. > > THE TRUTH IS... > > A. Powerful. C. In the eye of the beholder. > B. Irrelevant. D. All of the above. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Fighting back (fwd) Date: 31 May 1999 06:01:56 PST On May 31, Jim Zoes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From: "Joel A. Butler, MD" Subject: Fighting back Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:37:28 -0500 To: Undisclosed.Recipients@Edison.EBICom.Net > Any hope of getting the trial liar-yars enlisted to go after gummint on > behalf of plantiffs injured by criminals with guns 'after' not being > prosecuted for felonies gummint discovered in the course of background > checks? Nope. My wife received the Trial Layers Associaton's most recent journal. It simply ooozes vitrol for the evil gun makers. [Translation: Follow that ambulance...quick!] > If law prohibits this, shouldn't we lobby to get it changed and turn the > tables regarding trial liar-yars? > > Opinions anyone? Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to have tort reform to prevent these things. And, with careful introspection, you probably wouldn't want to. Look, many product liability suits are bullshit. However, occasionally companies get caught with a serious breach of civil ethics when they deliberatly manufacture items that they know are dangerous, but refuse to fix. The Firestone 500 tire comes to mind, but that's another story... In our zeal to deal with these lawsuits, we must be careful to not foreclose on our rights for future product liability redress. In otherwords, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. There only a few things that intimidate a lawyer that are within the law, I think. One is a suit against him/her personally. There are two kinds of suit that might be applicable: A RICO action against him/her for conspiracy, or a malpractice suit. A second type of action (not actually a suit, but a legal action) is a complaint against the lawyer before his/her state bar's attorney registeration and discliplinary board. Such complaints must have grounds, and if the allegations are egregious enough and can be proved, they can be disbarred -- either permanently or for a period of several years, and or heavily fined. The third type of action would be for the gun makers (if they prevail, like Baretta did last year) to ask for sanctions against the attorneys and the plaintifs bringing the suit. Baretta was awarded their legal costs by the 9th District. Before any of the above can be done, though, there has to be a thing called "standing" -- which is a legal term for being a victim (in this case) of the lawyers, foundations, and/or cities in question. As individual gun owners, we do not have standing to start a legal proceeding against the lawyers and foundations attacking the gun makers. But the gun makers do. If they chose to. Collectively, however, we *might* have standing, if we can show that the activities of the cities and anti-gun groups have harmed us as a group. But a class action suit can't be brought overnight. It took the abortionists years before they were able to sue "Operation Rescue." And then it took years to win in the district court -- and the appeal process may take even more years. Arguing that the activities of the gun grabbing attornies, foundations, and cities affect our rights, while true, would be difficult to prove in court, absent a smoking gun of conspiracy, in my humble and legally uneducated opinion. The fourth kind of thing is bad publicity and/or demonstrations that affect their professional and personal lives. This we can do! We can exercise our 1st Amendment rights to protest what is going on. Provided we can get our gun owning brethern to put aside their laziness and apathy, and get them off their butts to do something other than simply bitch, that is. We can demonstrate against the lawyers, foundations, and cities filing these suits. We can protest directly by mailing, faxing, or emailing them. We can ask other gun owners who do business with them get involved and refuse goods and services to them in a boycott. We can make it known that there is a price to pay outside of the courthouse and the foundation board room. That kind of pressure we can and should use against the trial lawyer community, the foundations, and the cities who are suing the gun makers. Now, foundations can much pretty do what ever they want to do. They have the money and money talks and bullshit walks. BUT, if a RICO connection can be discovered, then they have deep pockets that can be bled dry by OUR lawyers. However, we will never be able to find it out unless someone who today has standing in the courts to get in their files via discovery. So, unless the gun makers start the counter attack, or unless the Second Amendment Foundation goes ahead with their lawsuit against the cities, then there is very little *we* as individuals can do to stop the lawsuits, outside of protesting .... Here's some specific ideas we can use to fight back. As individuals, we can write/email the lawyers and foundations and protest their activities. A strong, but polite letter or email message is a perfectly proper way to protest their actions. See below for some of the lawyer and foundation contact information. It's fair to tell them that you object to what they are doing. In their pridefull arrogance, they'll ignore this, of course. But many of these lawyers have aspiratins beyond chasing ambulances. I personally know a number of lawyers who think they are the next Oliver Wendel Holmes or ought to be the next Senator or Governor. I think it's a perfectly fair thing to do to remind the gun owning voters should any of these lawyers decide to reach for elective or appointive office. There must be a political price to pay for trying to disarm us. As an aside, I think a public campaign of opposition to trial lawyers who are suing a legal business has the capability disuading other trial lawyers from taking up the cause for gun control. In addition, we can press for legislative action to make such suits illegal. We must be careful because it could turn into a pro-business, anti-consumer effort for general tort reform. I think the suits against gun makers are illegal, and should be stopped, so don't get me wrong. We can picket the lawyers and foundations offices and hold rallys. But, you can bet that the media will either not cover it or diminish the size of the protest like they did in Chicago a few months ago. Here's a list of some of the lawyers and foundations involved in trying to make the 2nd Amendment academic (a guarenteed individual right, but with no guns on the market to buy). Also, you can go http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-05/19/012r-051999-idx.html for further information, and NRA Members should read their May magazines, which has pictures and bios of some of these enemies of ours. Foundations: Soros: Open Society Institute - New York 400 West 59th Street New York, NY 10019 tel: (212) 548 0350 fax: (212) 548 4677 Aryeh Neier, President Gara LaMarche, Director of U.S. Programs Amy Yenkin, Associate Director, U.S. Programs Center on Crime, Communities & Culture Nancy Mahon, Director e-mail: nmahon@sorosny.org Joyce: The Joyce Foundation Three First National Plaza 70 West Madison Street Suite 2750 Chicago, Illinois 60602 Phone: (312) 782-2464 Fax: (312) 782-4160 General Information: info@joycefdn.org MacArthur Foundation: The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation Office of Grants Management 140 S. Dearborn Street Chicago, IL 60603 USA Phone: 312/726-8000 Fax: 312/920-6258 TDD: 312/920- 6285 4answers@macfdn.org Wellness Foundation: Ezra C. Davidson, Jr., MD, Chairman of the Board Barbara Marshall, R.N., Vice Chair Gary L. Yates, President and CEO Thomas G. David, Executive Vice President The California Wellness Foundation. 6320 Canoga Avenue, Suite 1700, Woodland Hills, CA 91367. Phone: (818) 593-6600 Fax: (818) 593 6614 Ambulance Chasers: JOHN P. COALE Coale Cooley Lietz McInerny & Broadus Suite 857 818 Connecticut Ave Washington, District of Columbia 20006 Phone: (202) 887-4770 Fax: (202) 686-9739 jcoale@sprynet.com WENDELL H. GAUTHIER Gauthier, Downing, LaBarre, Beiser & Dean, A Professional Law Corporation 3500 North Hullen Street Metairie, Louisiana 70002 (Jefferson Parish) Telephone: 504-456-8600 Telecopier: 504-456-8624 Web-Site: http://www.Gauthier-Downing.com whg@gauthier-downing.com DENNIS A. HENIGAN Center To Prevent Handgun Violence Suite 1100 1225 Eye St Washington, District of Columbia 20005-3914 Phone: (202) 862-5300 (This asshole is HCI's legal director, but he doesn't publish his email address -- wonder why...) Elisa Barnes 51st Floor 20 Exchange Place New York, New York 10005-3201 Fax: (212) 483-0876 ebarnesesq@aol.com Jim Zoes