From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ Date: 01 Sep 1999 10:24:05 PST This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] Mike McNulty to be on Nightline Tonight] (fwd) Date: 01 Sep 1999 14:13:18 PST On Sep 01, D. D. wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FYI, Rick Reply-To: militia@montana.com Organization: Militia of Montana Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:30:28 -0500 From: Michael Boone To: (Recipient list suppressed) Mike McNulty just called to say he will be on Nightline tonight! In case some of you do not know who Mike McNulty is, he is the guy who found the evidence that is causing all this stir about the Feds lies about Waco! -- Join the Militia of Montana Email Alert List by writing to: militia@montana.com with SUBSCRIBE in the Subject Line! Visit our web site at: http://www.montana.com/militiaofmontana to stay informed with the latest news on the topics of MARTIAL LAW; UN TROOPS; GUN LEGISLATION; UNAMERICAN ACTIVITIES, plus much more. Visit our Patriot Calendar of Events at: http://www.montana.com/militiaofmontana/calendar.htm to stay abreast of all the great meetings, conferences and expos that are held nation-wide. 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Box 1486, Noxon, MT 59853 Tel: 406-847-2735 n Fax: 406-847-2246 http://www.montana.com/militiaofmontana militia@montana.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: Gun Rights Poll Link! Please Distribute! (fwd) Date: 02 Sep 1999 10:59:35 PST On Sep 2, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Return-path: NJGunsRus@aol.com Full-name: NJGunsRus Often)! http://civilliberty.about.com/library/blgpoll.htm?pid=3D2771&cob=3Dhome HREF=3D"http://civilliberty.about.com/library/blgpoll.htm?pid=3D2771&cob=3Dh= ome">Arm s and Government Abuses Poll - Civil Liberti=85 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Bill Clinton's Third Term (fwd) Date: 03 Sep 1999 10:12:11 PST We've all had our occaissional suspicions about Bubba, but now it's getting into the news. Maybe it's time we call/fax/write our Critters, and _demand_ the removal of this Administration, as well as repeal of the Emergency/War Powers Act..... On Sep 3, John Fisher wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hi folks, I've hesitated for days to pass this on, knowing all the while I probably would. There are a few (myself included) that have been putting forth this possibility for months upon months, not wondering IF martial law would be declared and elections suspended, but WHEN. The usual response from those that don't believe in fairy tales of the rich and famous is a massive eyeroll and a blatant whatEVER look on their faces. But lest we forget.... China is looming large as a threat, with "outposts" in Long Beach California and the Panama Canal. Russia and China have signed agreements and working on others to be best buddies. The US military, by many accounts, is spread way too thin and underfunded and most of this has happened in the last seven years. There are enough executive orders written by Bubba that if all were instituted, would reduce this country from a Constitutional Republic to a Communist State. Overnight. Or sooner. Its just a matter of time. Some of you may say I'm spreading needless propaganda, but if the 80 people in Waco or the 165 people in Oklahoma City or the hundreds elsewhere that have been victimized by US could speak, I don't believe they would agree. The following is presented unedited. John ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 4:53 PM Note from Bill Koenig: I typically don't distribute news like this, but with the United States at such a critical point in many world events, and the fact this information is from the credible Newsmax.com news service, I decided to pass this on to you for your thought and prayer. **** Sunday August 29, 6:03 PM Bill Clinton's "Third Term" http://216.46.238.34/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/8/29/171120 With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff- For the story behind the story... Sean David Morton is a futurologist. He says he can predict the future. Morton, no doubt, has many friends in Hollywood that like such new age stuff. A NewsMax reader sent us a copy of Morton's "The Delphi Associates Newsletter." The following caught Inside Cover's eye: "I have now heard confirmation from three different sources who are very close to the Clintons that Bill has no intention of leaving the White House! At first I thought it was just right-wing paranoia. But a powerful woman friend of mine in entertainment (who must remain nameless!), who is a friend of Hillary's 'special friends,' was at the White House recently for a holiday. She said that Clinton spoke openly about finding a way to circumvent the Congress and the Constitution and find a way to stay on for another term, or stay president indefinitely. Incredulously, she asked how he was going to swing this feat of magic, and she said he got the most chilling, evil, demonic look in his eye that she had ever seen come from a human being, and he said, 'World War III.'" "This same story I heard from my lady friend, and another relation of the Clintons, was recently confirmed in an article by Ralph Forbes. It seems Clinton has been running this scheme past a number of his inner circle, and is actively seeking ways to implement his goal." Koenig's International News - Bill Koenig - http://watch.org/ Post Office Box 671127, Dallas, TX 75367 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Professional Viewpoint on Gun Control (fwd) Date: 03 Sep 1999 21:48:29 PST On Sep 03, David Wisniewski wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Professional viewpoint Sammy "the Bull" Gravano, the Mafia turncoat, was asked about gun control in an interview in Vanity Fair. "Gun control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters," Gravano said. "I want you to have nothing. If I'm a bad guy, I'm always gonna have a gun. Safety locks? You will pull the trigger with a lock on, and I'll pull the trigger. We'll see who wins." [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: PA-RKBA! History Channel Poll (fwd) Date: 03 Sep 1999 21:43:53 PST On Sep 03, by way of Richard Mase wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Just saw this poll on tv. Should the right to bear arms be repealed? we are WINNING! 81% NO! Rick http://features.yahoo.com/historychannel/ -- -- Be sure to visit RKBA UNDER ATTACK! A web page containing copies of all the news clips, (Now includes text transcriptions for easier reading) dedicated to Brian Mase who is now serving 8.5 to 20 years in a state penetentiary for defending his home against a deranged intruder. http://www.leba.net/people/rickmase Contributions can be mailed to Brian S. Mase Defense Fund 254 S. 12th St. rear Lebanon, PA 17042 Over 150 World-Class= Brands Should the right to bear arms be repealed? A. Yes B. No ---------- Yahoo! is a trademark of Yahoo! Inc. Copyright =A9 1999 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. http://features.yahoo.com/historychannel/
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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [richslick] SLICK *** CLINTON QUOTE *** (fwd) Date: 03 Sep 1999 23:23:26 PST On Sep 3, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The Calif GOP is considering the use of the following quote which they lifted from an E-amil I sent out. As much as I wich I had thought of it myself, I did not. Nor have I been able to identify from whom I scooped. If you know where the below quote first appeared, please contact Daryl.Thomas@SEN.CA.GOV "I was frankly surprised to see that anyone would suggest that the Attorney General should resign because some religious fanatics murdered themselves. There is unfortunately a rise in this sort of fanaticism all over the world, and we may have to confront it again." -- President Bill Clinton, regarding the fiery conclusion to the seige at WacoSubj: *** CLINTON QUOTE *** Dear Mr. Martin: This E-mail is in response to our telephone discussion, concerning attribution for the following quote which you recently distributed: "I was frankly surprised to see that anyone would suggest that the Attorney General should resign because some religious fanatics murdered themselves. There is unfortunately a rise in this sort of fanaticism all over the world, and we may have to confront it again." -- President Bill Clinton, regarding the fiery conclusion to the seige at Waco I would greatly appreciate it if you could provide an attribution, so that we may use it as our "quote of the day" in Sen. Haynes' floor alert to the Senate Republican members of the California Legislature. You can review samples of our Watchlist at http://WWW.sen.ca.gov/htbin/testbin/member_infodated?sen.senator.hayne s.1watch Thank you, Daryl Thomas [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The Waco Solution (fwd) Date: 04 Sep 1999 08:58:40 PST On Sep 04, Bill Utterback wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Friends: The news is full of =93WACO=94 and =93RENO=94 and government= =93INVESTIGATIONS=94 which will bring us =93JUSTICE.=94 Janet Reno is now trying to select an =93independent=94 investigator because the Department of Justice now =93wants to get to the bottom of this and discover the real truth.=94 Let=92s try to get some of this stuff in perspective: There are seven Branch Davidians who stood trial for Murder and Conspiracy to Commit Murder. They were found =93NOT GUILTY=94 of those crimes.by a jury who examined tons of evidence and heard testimony of about one hundred witnesses. Despite the fact that they were found innocent of these crimes by the jury, they were found guilty of Voluntary Manslaughter, the charge for killing in self defense. The judge, Walter S. Smith, at the urging of the prosecutor, William Johnston, assessed five of these Branch Davidians 40 years in prison because he said that they had defended themselves with illegal automatic weapons. Now we are hearing that the evidence will be re-examined =96 that the evidence will be placed under the authority of that same federal judge. We are told that the same federal prosecutor has known all along of this new evidence that pyrotechnic rounds were fired into the compound. Of course he did!!! He was the one who called FBI Special Agent R.J Craig to the trial to testify about the events on that final fatal day. They both heard Craig tell how his instructions were to first destroy the trapdoor and tunnel entrance into the underground bus at the north end of the building. Then Johnston and Smith both heard Craig testify under oath that four Bradley vehicles (armored personnel carriers) fired 300 - 400 ferret rounds into that flimsy church/dormitory/gymnasium complex that the media has taught us to call =93THE COMPOUND.=94 Ferret rounds are 40 millimeter mortars containing CS gas that is exploded on contact by a pyrotechnic charge. Do not be deceived. The people who are now acting like investigators: Reno, Smith and Johnston, are foxes disguised in chicken costumes. They have been cavorting in the hen house for the past six years. If they have their way we will have a new effort to find a few scapegoats and complete the Waco Whitewash and bury it forever. We, the People, must demand that the investigator be named by us. Otherwise, he will be one whose FBI file has been examined and who can be manipulated and controlled. We, the People, must demand someone who will fearlessly expose every complicit federal criminal or we will simply have more wool pulled over our eyes. Our Constitution, which was violated by those sworn to defend and protect it, will be ground into the junkyard of history along with the Magna Carta, the Common Law, and the Ten Commandments if we fail to act. We, the People, have this opportunity to demand peacefully and responsibly the restoration of proper order by seeing to it that a man with unassailable integrity is appointed by the Congress to examine witnesses and evidence =96 without regard to whomever Janet Reno may appoint. Congressman Dan Burton has the authority to appoint such a man. GERRY SPENCE! Gerry Spence was the defender of Randy Weaver after Ruby Ridge. Gerry Spence has demonstrated that he can identify and defeat the federal liars. Waco was a violation of us all =96 not just those besieged, burned out and slaughtered Branch Davidians. Please join me in besieging our representatives in Washington and tell them that we want Gerry Spence to be the Lead Investigator for the House Committee. Call your representative. Call your Senators. Call Congressman Dan Burton. They can all be reached toll-free at 1-888-449-3511 Write to Congressman Dan Burton 2185 Rayburn House Office Bldg. Washington, DC 20515 Peaceful action now can avert future Ruby Ridges, Wacos, and Oklahoma Cities. Thanks, Jack PLEASE FORWARD THIS MSG TO EVERYONE WHO IS CONCERNED AND MIGHT RESPOND. ******************************************************************* "We have the greatest opportunity the world has ever seen, as long=20 as we remain honest -- which will be as long as we can keep the=20 attention of our people alive. If they once become inattentive to=20 public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and=20 governors would all become wolves." - Thomas Jefferson >From time to time I forward messages that I consider to be=20 worthwhile. Occasionally I may be moved to write a brief=20 editorial. If you do not want to receive these messages, send me a message=20 with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject field. If you would like to begin receiving these messages, send me a message with SUBSCRIBE in the subject field. for Liberty (for all), Bill Utterback butterb@connecti.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #150 (fwd) Date: 04 Sep 1999 22:22:37 PST On Sep 04, Doug Fiedor wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Heads Up A Weekly View from the Foothills of Appalachia September 5, 1999 #150 by: Doug Fiedor fiedor19@eos.net Previous Editions at: http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/list-hu.htm RAMBLING ABOUT WACO The news made me so proud I dug through my stuff to find my old buddy's badge. Maybe I just wanted to hold it, but I used the excuse that it might need polishing, or something. He gave me the badge just before he died. I always meant to send it back to his department, but never seemed to get around to it. This was a guy who looked sort of like an old John Wayne -- tall, but you just know he must have done a lot of hard work in his life. I met him in a Michigan bar one night, many years ago. During a bar brawl. As it turned out, we both knew the establishment's owner. When the fight started, I meandered over to the far end of the bar -- down where the older man was talking with the owner -- to stay away from the action. The man yelled at them to stop. Foolish of the old man, I thought. Then, he looked at the owner and asked if he should stop it. The next thing I knew, this old guy gets up, briskly walks to the middle of the action and decks the two biggest guys. Everything stopped and he came back and sat down. That was it. We were introduced. He said he was retired. Over the next few weeks, we became friends. I was somewhat good with a handgun. He made me look like a Cub Scout at a pistol range. I knew dozens of "come-along" holds, he knew dozens more. I knew boxing and Judo, he quickly showed me how to make that knowledge inoperative. I noticed most of what was happening around me, he missed nothing. He was a retired Texas Ranger. An officer with a quarter century of street experience. He died before the Waco killings, and I'm almost glad. If there are more like him down there in Texas, I can imagine the string of expletives over the years. The Texas Rangers screwed up. They allowed those BATF cowboys to attack Texas citizens. Then, they allowed the FBI military squad-fire team and the Army Special Forces to come in and kill even more Texas citizens. The chain of command was FBI to Webster Hubbell at the Justice Department. Hubbell reported to Vincent Foster in the White House. Foster reported to his favorite squeeze, Hillary. Janet Reno and Bill Clinton are essentially out of this equation. The Army Special Forces disgraced their uniform by participating -- fully armed helicopters, Bradley Fighting Vehicles, tanks, automatic weapons, grenade launchers, "illumination" and "high explosive" grenade rounds, listening equipment, the whole ball of wax. There was a full company of them there. It was a disgrace. Criminal. Any cop on the street knows that tear gas canisters cause fire when shot into a building. The Justice Department admits to two large military canisters fired -- they fired them at a "bunker" because they thought it was protecting a group of small children. The sorry fact is, there were over one-hundred of the smaller tear gas canisters used that terrible day, too. All can and will cause fire. One Special Forces "Observer" drove his Army tank right into the center of the building, where people (read children) were expected to be. That can also cause fire. Death by crushing, too. The military and FBI shooters then used their guns to pick off those people who tried to escape the fire. That they intentionally killed those people is beyond a doubt. They made war on American people, conducted a full assault, tried to take no prisoners. But, there are some eye witnesses. There also are films, as the American public shall soon see. In a nutshell, what we saw at Waco was government totally out of control. A group of thugs, with badges, assaulted people who were not bothering anyone. Government agents tried a military-style sneak attack using aircraft, automatic weapons, and grenades. The people defended themselves, as was their right. The BATF was routed. So, Hillary sent in the FBI military trained squad fire team and the Army Special Forces. And, as per their training, they killed everyone they could. Then, they covered up as much of the evidence as they could. Buried it. Burned it. Destroyed it. But, like the people, not all of it went away. Suddenly, some Texas Rangers got religion, or something. They started looking at the "evidence." Expletives flowed all around for a while. They had been negligent. They allowed this to happen on their watch. Now, they want to "fix" it. It's about damn time! That was not homicide at Waco. It was murder. It was premeditated murder. Just because the men had badges and/or military shoulder patches does not change the situation one iota. They made war on American citizens who were bothering no one. They committed murder. That "authority" came from the White House does not change anything. That only means that even more people are involved in these war crimes. And, as for the Texas Rangers: Ain't it time for a grand jury yet? What are you guys waiting on, the FBI to investigate again, maybe? Shame! If there is to be yet another "investigation," Let's get Judicial Watch and/or Landmark Legal Foundation to act as public prosecutors. Then, swear in a company of Texas Rangers as federal officers. That is the only way people will believe the results. Otherwise, it will just be another Washington cover-up. Meanwhile, I'll polish that old badge in hopes that it still means something to someone down there in Texas. That badge belonged to an honorable man and shall be treated as such. Do the others? CHOOSING A PRESIDENT -- Paul? It would really be nice if we could pick a president who would actually honor and defend the Constitution. But, that seems difficult. For instance, the Tenth Amendment reads: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Contrary to the current belief of most of those in Washington, the United States Constitution does not give the federal government the authority to regulate our personal firearms. Therefore, that power is "reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The United States Supreme Court says that we may look to the Federalist Papers for interpretation of the intent of the Constitution's authors. Well, in The Federalist Papers No. 78, Alexander Hamilton instructs: "There is no position which depends on clearer principles than that every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid. To deny this would be to affirm that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid." We find it a problem when, even before winning the primary election, those who would be president admit publicly that they would violate the Constitution -- as some have done by proposing strict federal gun laws. Because, if the Constitution is not their standard for government, someone had better ask them what will be, if elected. Americans have a right to ask these types of inconvenient questions. Or, maybe that will not be necessary. There is one person in Washington who seems a consistent friend of the original intent of the Founding Fathers. He believes in all the things the Republican Party once used as a platform: smaller government, less taxes, fewer laws and regulations and personal freedom. He favors the right to "life, liberty and property" for all; the reason our Constitution was written. Of course, Rep. Ron Paul is not running for president. Not now, anyway. However, if a group called the "Grass Roots Committee to Draft Ron Paul" for President has its way, that may change. "Our purpose is simple, our goal will take much planning -- to draft sitting U.S. Representative Ron Paul of Texas, a reform and liberty-minded Constitutionalist, to run for President in 2000 as the nominated fusion candidate resulting from an alliance of the Reform Party and Libertarian Party, and any other parties (U. S. Taxpayers?) if they so desire. Our idea is that if we show Dr. Paul enough momentum and grass roots support that he will accept and run in 2000." http://www.majority.com Drafting Dr. Paul may be the toughest part of their plan. But, we would bet that if a couple thousand people from each State volunteer to work in the campaign five or six hours a week, it would look very attractive to him. Their idea of combining two or three of the smaller political parties is also workable. Most interesting, though, would be the campaign itself. What would the American people say of a candidate with a proven track record of protecting and defending the Constitution? We have not had a presidential candidate who actually wanted to run the federal government as intended by the Founding Fathers for a very long time. Do Americans want freedom? Do many of us even know what that means? (Find someone old to ask, it was neat.) What a concept! As a man mentioned last week, picture someone like Larry Klayman or Mark Levin as Attorney General. A lot of Washington insiders would certainly get real worried very fast and government would sure change in a hurry! Or. Consider someone like Professor Walter Williams as budget director or in a cabinet position. Then, consider three new Supreme Court justices who actually believe the Constitution shall limit the activities of the federal government. Such a dream! But, a doable dream. It only depends on how much Americans cherish their freedom. LAW BY FIAT IS A DICTATORSHIP Our federal government has not just changed over the past few years, it has metastasized. The federal government is now a sick parody of that which was intended by the Founding Fathers. For instance, consider the Marxist-tyrannical remark made recently by former Clinton advisor Paul Begala: "Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kind of cool," Begala said about one of Clinton's executive orders. No it's not. The unilateral making of law is not only unconstitutional and un-American, it's an outward sign of a trend toward dictatorship. House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX) seems to agree: "With a stroke of the pen, he may have done irreparable harm to individual rights and liberties. President Clinton seems bent on using his powers until someone says stop. President Clinton is running roughshod over our Constitution." Exactly. The administrative branch is tasked with enforcing the law. Not with making law. "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress," states part of the very first sentence of our Constitution. The words "All legislative Powers" are rather straightforward and easy to understand. No exceptions are granted. Now, contrast the uninformed remark of Paul Begala, above, with that of a Great American who completely understood our Constitution: "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether on one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny." So said James Madison in The Federalist Papers, No. 4. Madison labels the making and enforcement of law, by any one branch of government, as tyranny. Adding insult to injury, the power of issuing executive orders was invented by an executive order. And, one of the obvious problems with this process is that there are no clear boundaries on how far a President can go. It appears to be government by fiat, much as was the way of kings and emperors. Clinton vowed to pick up the law making process where Congress leaves off. To that end, Clinton has passed at least 301 formal executive orders since taking over the White House -- or about 46 executive orders a year. Actually, Congress could pass a bill blocking an executive order. But, if vetoed by the President, Congress would then need a two-thirds majority in both houses to override the veto. Don't hold your breath on that one. It will not be happening anytime soon. Still, there is an element of protest brewing in Congress. "Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has essentially ruled over time that the executive orders have the force and effect of law," said Rep. Jack Metcalf (R-WA), a leader in the House of a new uproar against executive orders. "Well, they don't, but if nobody's there to challenge them they continue to carry the effect and force of law." Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), filed a bill seeking to designate executive orders only as advisory, without the force of law, unless Congress approves. Paul's proposed "Separation of Powers Restoration Act" would limit their effect except in cases of pardons, military orders or directives required by a specific federal law. The bill, H. R. 2655, states that, "A Presidential order neither constitutes nor has the force of law and is limited in its application and effect to the executive branch," which is exactly what executive orders should be about. Because, "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress," is the law of the land. The President, on the other hand, is instructed by the Constitution to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." There is no Constitutional authority for a President to make laws, only to enforce them. The President, as any executive, may send orders (memos) of instruction to those offices under his control. But, these executive orders should have absolutely no effect on the life, liberty or property of the American people. LIBERAL HYPOCRISY Last Thursday morning, I received a call from someone from another county who appears to be a charter member of the bureaucratic hall of shame. She called to take me to task for publicly referring to two of her fellow bureaucrats as "idiots" and "morons" because they cannot seem to understand the law they are supposed to uphold. Unfortunately, this woman called me early in the morning when, due to a physical ailment, I am not in the best of moods and not in top mental form. Therefore, the conversation was a bit terse. "Some people may take offense at being called an idiot or moron," she started on me. "Great!" I replied. "That was my intent." "Now, wait a minute . . . you can't just go around calling people names like that," She continued. "We have to use a little common sense here." Wrong thing to say to me. . . . "Why not," I asked. "What are they going to do, arrest me for speech? Besides, there is no such thing as common sense. If common sense were common, everyone would have some and there wouldn't be any liberals." Silence. Evidently she was trying to think. By that time, I was trying to get coffee and did not want to be bothered any more, so I lit into her a little to make her go away. "If you liberals would start teaching American government properly in school again, you would know about things like the Tenth Amendment, State's Rights and the separation of powers. It is not my fault if you do not understand and refuse to learn." Something else was said, but I could not hear it clearly because I was hanging up the telephone at the time. It was time for me to sit down and read e-mail and newspapers until I got to feeling a little better. Soon I was laughing about the incident because it reminded me of something said in a presidential campaign I worked in 19 years ago: "I would never accuse our political opponents of ignorance. It's just that there are so many people in Washington who know so many things that aren't true." That was Ronald Reagan at his best, of course. And it still applies to many people in all levels of government. When it comes to following the law, government officials demand the full compliance of citizens, but public officials usually do as they please. Then, when it looks like they may get exposed publicly, they compound the issue with a cover-up. The reason there are so many scandals in government is simply because so many public officials sometimes act like idiots and then do moronic things to cover it up. If every public official were required, under pain of imprisonment, to obey every law completely, we would soon have a lot less laws. ~ End ~ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Waco Smokescreen (fwd) Date: 05 Sep 1999 09:43:27 PST I don't know about this, but it's certainly worth a check up by those concerned..... On Sep 05, Don Cline wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Goodyear, Arizona (near Phoenix) As significant as the Waco revelations may be, Chris Stark has raised the question of why now? Why not a year and a half ago, when the information first (allegedly) became available? He ties it, tentatively, to the candidacy of George W. Bush, Jr. I consider it far more likely that it is a smokescreen to distract the media from what may be the biggest story of all: It appears the Internal Revenue Service is "down". So far I have about a quarter-ton of anecdotal evidence to indicate the IRS computers are either down across the board or, alternatively, they have simply lost access to their taxpayer database. The latest indication arrived yesterday in the form of a typewritten letter on blank paper (no IRS letterhead; no standard IRS computer format) advising me (without going into details) that "It will take us about three weeks to retrieve (the information you request) together with any audit reports." This is the third manually-typed letter I have received from the IRS in the last month. The information I requested should be staring them in the face from their computer screen. It _was_ staring them in the face from their computer screen, along with several other pieces of information they still haven't picked up, prior to July 1st, which was the beginning of their fiscal year 2000. Since July 1st, they have claimed to have no record of it -- I had to provide them with copies. And now they want three weeks to retrieve the information I just gave them. The anecdotal evidence does not derive entirely from _my_ interaction with the IRS. Ever heard of the IRS returning a check to a known "tax protester"? It has now happened to an individual in New Mexico, with the comment that the IRS "has no record" of any tax liability involving that individual. Numerous contacts with the IRS by other people with whom I am in communication have resulted in what amounts to pure-dee "stonewalling". The IRS has no information about someone; the taxpayer has to provide the information the IRS should have already had, and then the IRS comes back with a dismissive answer designed to keep the taxpayer on hold for another three-four weeks. This appears to be a holding operation, as though the IRS is waiting for some other element to position itself, as though "when TSHTF what we do here won't matter any more". The Department of Justice may also be "down", or otherwise distracted: My lawsuit against the IRS had a hard deadline for the Department of Justice last Thursday. They failed to meet it. They failed to call me and request an extension. I haven't heard from them. The IRS being down, if it is down, is a you-bet National Security Issue. I figure the "STUFF" is going to hit the FAN sometime within the next 30 seconds to 30 days. WACO is being used as nothing but a temporary distraction, in my view, to keep us from paying attention. Keep your powder dry. -- Don Cline Homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~frdmftr The Right to Keep and Bear Arms brought about The Parliamentary Revolution The Magna Carta The American Revolution The world's first and only nation of liberty. Without it you are naught but a feudal serf. EXERCISE your Right to Keep and Bear Arms or KNEEL BEFORE YOUR MASTER. RKBA! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RAPTUS: The green commandos (fwd) Date: 08 Sep 1999 20:16:00 PST On Sep 8, FrizBMG@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] WEDNESDAY SEPTEMBER 08 1999 Joseph Farah is editor of WorldNetDaily.com and executive director of the Western Journalism Center, an independent group of investigative reporters. The green commandos In March, 40 officers divided into 10 four-man teams swooped in with helicopters in a pre-dawn raid to seize six suspects in Dorchester County, Md. The principal suspect, Robert Gootee, was hauled from his bed and led away in chains. His wife was not allowed to call anyone, nor were her neighbors allowed to come in to comfort her, for four and a half hours. What was the offense that precipitated this action? Was the four-year investigation that led to the armed raid concerned with terrorism, serial homicide or a major drug ring? What type of criminal offenses were involved? Who were these brave law-enforcement agents who defied death to make the arrests? You had better sit down. Gootee was charged with possession of an undersized striped bass, striped bass out of season, untagged striped bass, possession of summer flounder out of season, failure to tag and check deer within 24 hours and possession of a loaded weapon in a vehicle. The agents involved were from the state and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. And the target for the raid was the Golden Hills Hunt Club. Gootee, the club treasurer, was hauled away with such "evidence" as deer and duck mounts and a framed photograph of his retriever bringing in a duck. Eventually, 24 other club members were charged with related offenses, including failure to wear sufficient fluorescent orange while hunting. We're in serious trouble, folks. Even as more Americans wake up to the reality of the dangers posed by the gun-toting federales who brought us Waco, a new breed of armed-and-dangerous green commandos is turning our forests into police states. Check out a report in this month's issue of usually low-key Field & Stream Magazine: "Looking for firepower, firefights and other fun stuff? Forget the SEALs; Fish and Game is the place to be." "Wardens may be watching too many cop shows. How else can one explain why increasing numbers of them seem to reject their workday reality and the routine of dealing with essentially law-abiding people in favor of a world in which the everyday sportsman is an ex-army commando ready for a shoot-out or a high-speed car chase?" The story continues: "Recruits to wildlife law enforcement now spend more time learning how to break down the doors of alleged poachers than how to differentiate the various species of sunfishes. The April 1999 issue of Wildlife in North Carolina describes the boot camp that would-be officers go through in that state: 'Relentless physical exercise, material training and plenty of barracks inspections are the norm for the first two weeks of wildlife recruit school ... this includes 40 hours of firearms training as well as many hours mastering defensive tactics to disarm suspects.'" The piece goes on to explain that the rationale used by many agencies for such official militancy is a claim that game wardens are "seven times more likely to be killed during an assault on the job than any other type of law officer." Trouble with that statistic is that there is no basis for it in fact. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, in 1997, 65 law enforcement officers of all kinds nationwide were killed in the line of duty. Not one was a warden. Whoops! There seems to be an active effort by government to portray hunters and other sportsmen as dangerous hombres -- all potential killers. That was the picture painted by some involved in the planning of the Maryland raid. Richard McIntire, spokesman for the state's Department of Natural Resources, explained: "We were dealing with people who are known to have weapons," he said, "and who are proficient in their use." Yeah, so? America is a land free precisely because the people have historically been armed and self-trained in how to use firearms. The Constitution not only protects the rights of individual Americans to bear arms, it actually suggests -- and, I believe, accurately -- that it is akin to a sacred duty for citizens to be armed and vigilant. Of course, the picture of the woods as territory occupied by armed anti-government militiamen and dangerous scofflaws doesn't hurt one bit when it comes time to convince legislators that the green cops need more money for training, weapons and manpower. (Remember, the initial assault on Waco was a public relations dog-and-pony show designed to persuade Congress the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms needed more funds.) It's not surprising, then, that after the raid in Maryland some American flags in Dorchester County were flying upside down. Not surprising and not unwarranted. A daily radio broadcast adaptation of Joseph Farah's commentaries can be heard at http://www.ktkz.com/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: New Book Date: 09 Sep 1999 20:12:17 PST There's a new book out called, "The Cloning Of The American Mind". I think they said the Authors name was Bev Ekman, but I was in and out of there when they were talking about it. It's about why we're losing the Culture War, and what to do about it. What little I heard of the interview was good. Check it out. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] SLICK recd from Alan Keyes (fwd) Date: 10 Sep 1999 22:41:55 PST On Sep 10, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From the Desk of Rich Martin P O Box 531918 972/263-6631 Grand Prairie, TX 75053 RichSlick@aol.com _______________________________________________ FORWARDED Some time ago, I tried to enunciate in a 13-part series entitled "Why We Will Fight" the bases for our resistance to the impending tyranny the Clintonistas and their friends seem to intend for us. Since then, in a number of other letters and essays I've tried to enunciate why the Second Amendment is the lynchpin of our liberty. Taken all together, I never came close to accomplishing that task as Dr. Keyes has in this short but brilliant piece below. He is truly our Thomas Paine. My sincere thanks to Arlin Adams for forwarding it to me. -- Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR The Armed Defense of Liberty By Dr. Alan Keyes Despite the heroic efforts of Sen. Bob Smith to turn it back, the latest batch of irrational and servile restrictions on the Second Amendment continues to ooze its way through that allegedly deliberative institution, the Congress. Perhaps because the gun control debate is now so entirely drenched in the emotive sludge that is the principal intellectual food of our political establishment, this seems a good moment to recall the deep reasons, the fundamental context, that must inform any responsible deliberations on the question of an armed citizenry. I believe that underlying all of the prominent issues of the day -- abortion, the breakdown of the family and of our educational institutions, the betrayal of our national sovereignty and military readiness, and the ongoing expansion of government's tyrannical claims to tax and regulate -- we can discern what is essentially one moral challenge which manifests itself in many areas. Simply stated, that challenge has to do with the corruption of our understanding of freedom, which leads to the abandonment of respect for law and individual responsibility, the twin pillars which ought to under-gird true freedom. As a free people, our way of life depends upon certain moral ideas. As a matter of personal conscience, I believe that Christianity most perfectly embodies those ideas. But since Americans come from many different religious backgrounds, in dealing with issues of public policy, we must derive these ideas from sources that are open to support from all the people. Nothing meets this purpose more completely than the principles and logic of our own Declaration of Independence, so American citizens and statesmen should make it the explicit basis for dealing with the moral crisis we now face. The Declaration is fundamentally a statement of the principles of justice that define the moral identity of the American people. It presents a certain concept of our human nature and draws out the political consequences of that concept. All human beings are created equal. They need no title or qualification beyond their simple humanity in order to command respect for their intrinsic human dignity, their "unalienable rights." The purpose of government is to secure these rights, and no government is just or legitimate if it systematically violates them. But the Declaration is more than just an assertion of rights. It also makes a clear statement about the ultimate source of authority which commands respect for those rights. God, the Creator, the author of the laws of nature, is that source. Thus the effective prerequisite for human rights is respect for God's authority and His eternal laws. This is also the prerequisite for the idea of government based upon consent, which includes free elections, representation, due process of law, etc. If we accept the logic of our Declaration of Independence, this reverence for God is not just a matter of religious faith. It is the foundation of justice and citizenship in our republic. Therefore, our freedom is derived from our respect for law, especially the highest law as embodied in the will of the Creator. Thus freedom, rightly understood, cannot be confused with mere licentiousness. It first of all involves the duty to respect its own foundations in the laws of nature and nature's God. That's why our rights are "unalienable," which means that we do not have the right to surrender or destroy them by our choice or actions. Indeed, if we make the judgment that our rights are being systematically violated, we have the duty to resist and overthrow the power responsible. This duty involves both the judgment and the moral and material capacity to resist tyranny. These principles constitute our character as a free people, which it is our duty to maintain. It is in the context of these principles that we must understand the purpose of the Second Amendment, and the duties that it implies. The Founders added the Second Amendment to the Constitution so that when, after a long train of abuses, a government evinces a methodical design upon our natural rights, we will have the means to protect and recover those rights. If we make the judgment that our rights are being systematically violated, we have not merely the right, but the duty, to resist and overthrow the power responsible. It is very hard to do this if the government has all the weapons, something that our Founders and the generations before and after them knew from repeated and first-hand experience, as well as from a study of history. A strong case can be made, therefore, that it is a fundamental DUTY of the free citizen to keep and bear arms. The claim that the Second Amendment is principally concerned with the maintenance of state militias -- military bodies under the direction and control of state governments -- is not just historically false, it is also fundamentally incoherent. It would make no sense whatsoever to restrict the right to keep and bear arms to state governments, since the principle on which our polity is based, as stated in the Declaration, recognizes that any government, at any level, can become oppressive of our rights. And we must be prepared to defend ourselves against its abuses. The gun control movement is incompatible with the sovereignty of the people, because it aims to eliminate one of the key material supports of that sovereignty. This is not the principal danger of the gun control movement, however. Perhaps more important than the physical disarmament the government is attempting is the moral disarmament that accompanies it. If we accept the view that the American people cannot be trusted with the material objects necessary to defend their liberty, we will surely accept as well the view that the American people cannot be trusted with liberty itself. Why should a man who can't be trusted to refrain from murder be trusted with the much more difficult and morally subtle task of choosing his leaders responsibly? The advocates of gun control take as their first principle that the American people are morally incompetent creatures of passion. The America they envision for us is, accordingly, more like a national 24-hour day-care center than a self-governing republic of free men and women. If we agree to accept this apparently comfortable arrangement, we will have to check our citizenship at the door along with our guns. If, on the other hand, we intend to exercise the duties of self-government and justice that are our patrimony as free and rational creatures, then we will need to think clearly and coherently about securing the means necessary to do so. We must defend the moral self-confidence of America by reasserting the capacity of our people to make the most important decisions and bear the most important responsibilities themselves. And we must retain the material means necessary to shoot the windows out of the national day-care center, if it comes to that. Second Amendment rights are sacred because of their connection to higher rights and higher duties, which are the very substance of liberty and justice, and to the God that America has always acknowledged as the source of both. We cannot surrender our guns without surrendering the vision of human dignity under God which is our national soul. The slow erosion of our national understanding of this fact is continuing in the Congress. Only a citizenry armed with a clear understanding of what is at stake can ultimately save us from the civic imbecility to which the gun control movement leads. By disarming, we will confess to our government that we no longer aspire to sovereignty, and wish our rulers to take up this burden in our stead. We will be signaling with great clarity that we wish to be comfortable slaves -- and slaves, at least, we will soon become. The terrible history of the 20th century should make clear enough that subjection to unlimited government is not desirable. But a clear and thoughtful examination of our national principles teaches us also that it is our duty to shun such servitude. It is our right, and it is our duty, to remain free. To join the Waco discussion group, Click here ----> waco-group-subscribe@egroups.co m To join the Slick discussion group, Click here ----> slick-d-subscribe@egroups.com MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. Start with up to 150 Points for joining! http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/805 To subscribe to the Slick e-zine, send e-mail to RichSlick@aol.com for details. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: skip Subject: Re: [slickplus] SLICK recd from Alan Keyes (fwd) Date: 11 Sep 1999 03:20:11 -0700 Bill Vance wrote: > > On Sep 10, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: > > > From the Desk of Rich Martin > > P O Box 531918 972/263-6631 > Grand Prairie, TX 75053 RichSlick@aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > FORWARDED > > Some time ago, I tried to enunciate in a 13-part series entitled "Why We > Will Fight" the bases for our resistance to the impending tyranny the > Clintonistas and their friends seem to intend for us. Since then, in a > number of other letters and essays I've tried to enunciate why the Second > Amendment is the lynchpin of our liberty. Taken all together, I never > came close to accomplishing that task as Dr. Keyes has in this short but > brilliant piece below. He is truly our Thomas Paine. My sincere thanks > to Arlin Adams for forwarding it to me. -- Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR > I agree that Alan Keyes does it well, although IMO, a bit too religiously and intellectually for general consumption and broad effectiveness. Hopefully you recall Charleton Heston's earlier explanation, but if not, a copy follows. It also hits the nail on the head. Regards, Skip. > Why We Have Guns > > By Charlton Heston > Address delivered at the National Press Club, September 11, 1997 > > Today I want to talk to you about guns: Why we have them, why the > Bill of Rights guarantees that we can have them, and why my right to > have a gun is more important than your right to rail against it in the > press. > > I believe every good journalist needs to know why the Second > Amendment must be considered more essential than the First Amendment. > This may be a bitter pill to swallow, but the right to keep and bear > arms is not archaic. It's not an outdated, dusty idea some old dead white > guys dreamed up in fear of the Redcoats. No, it is just as essential > to liberty today as it was in 1776. These words may not play well at > the Press Club, but it's still the gospel down at the corner bar and > grill. > > And your efforts to undermine the Second Amendment, to deride it > and degrade it, to readily accept diluting it and eagerly promote > redefining it, threaten not only the physical well-being of > millions of Americans but also the core concept of individual liberty our > founding fathers struggled to perfect and protect. > > So now you know what doubtless does not surprise you. I believe > strongly in the right of every law-abiding citizen to keep and > bear arms, for what I think are good reasons. > > The original amendments we refer to as the Bill of Rights contain > ten of what the constitutional framers termed unalienable rights. > These rights are ranked in random order and are linked by their > essential equality. The Bill of Rights came to us with blinders on. It > doesn't recognize color, or class, or wealth. It protects not just the > rights of actors, or editors, or reporters, but extends even to those we > love to hate. > > That's why the most heinous criminals have rights until they are > convicted of a crime. The beauty of the Constitution can be found > in the way it takes human nature into consideration. We are not a > docile species capable of co-existing within a perfect society under > everlasting benevolent rule. We are what we are. Egotistical, > corruptible, vengeful, sometimes even a bit power mad. The Bill > of Rights recognizes this and builds the barricades that need to be > in place to protect the individual. > > You, of course, remain zealous in your belief that a free nation > must have a free press and free speech to battle injustice, unmask > corruption and provide a voice for those in need of a fair and > impartial forum. > > I agree wholeheartedly ... a free press is vital to a free society. > > But I wonder: How many of you will agree with me that the right > to keep and bear arms is not just equally vital, but the most vital > to protect all the other rights we enjoy? > > I say that the Second Amendment is, in order of importance, the > first amendment. It is America's First Freedom, the one right that > protects all the others. Among freedom of speech, of the press, of > religion, of assembly, of redress of grievances, it is the first > among equals. It alone offers the absolute capacity to live without > fear. The right to keep and bear arms is the one right that allows > "rights" to exist at all. > > Either you believe that, or you don't, and you must decide. > > Because there is no such thing as a free nation where police and > military are allowed the force of arms but individual citizens > are not. That's a "big brother knows best" theater of the absurd that > has never boded well for the peasant class, the working class, or even > for reporters. > > Yes, our Constitution provides the doorway for your news and > commentary to pass through free and unfettered. But that doorway > to freedom is framed by the muskets that stood between a vision of > liberty and absolute anarchy at a place called Concord Bridge. > Our revolution began when the British sent Redcoats door to door to > confiscate the people's guns. They didn't succeed: The muskets > went out the back door with their owners. > > Emerson said it best: > > "By the rude bridge that arched the flood, Their flag to April's > breeze unfurled, Here once the embattled farmers stood, And fired > the shot heard round the world." > > King George called us "rabble in arms." But with God's grace, > George Washington and many brave men gave us our country. Soon after, > God's grace and a few great men gave us our Constitution. It's been > said that the creation of the United States is the greatest political > act in history. I'll sign that. > > In the next two centuries, though, freedom did not flourish. The > next revolution, the French, collapsed in the bloody Terror, then > Napoleon's tyranny. There's been no shortage of dictators since, > in many countries. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, Castro, > Pol Pot. All these monsters began by confiscating private arms, then > literally soaking the earth with the blood of tens and tens of > millions of their people. Ah, the joys of gun control. > > Now, I doubt any of you would prefer a rolled up newspaper as a > weapon against a dictator or a criminal intruder. Yet in essence that is > what you have asked our loved ones to do, through an ill-contrived and > totally naive campaign against the Second Amendment. > > Besides, how can we entrust to you the Second Amendment, when you > are so stingy with your own First Amendment? > > I say this because of the way, in recent days, you have treated > your own -- those journalists you consider the least among you. How > quick you've been to finger the paparazzi with blame and to eye the > tabloids with disdain. How eager you've been to draw a line where > there is none, to demand some distinction within the First Amendment > that sneers "they are not one of us." How readily you let your lesser > brethren take the fall, as if their rights were not as worthy, > and their purpose not as pure, and their freedom not as sacred as > yours. > > So now, as politicians consider new laws to shackle and gag > paparazzi who among you will speak up? Who here will stand and > defend them? If you won't, I will. Because you do not define the > First Amendment. It defines you. And it is bigger than you -- big > enough to embrace all of you, plus all those you would exclude. > That's how freedom works. > > It also demands you do your homework. Again and again I hear gun > owners say, how can we believe anything the anti-gun media says > when they can't even get the facts right? For too long you have > swallowed manufactured statistics and fabricated technical support > from anti-gun organizations that wouldn't know a semiauto from a > sharp stick. And it shows. You fall for it every time. > > That's why you have very little credibility among 70 million gun > owners and 20 million hunters and millions of veterans who learned > the hard way which end the bullet comes out. And while you attacked > the amendment that defends your homes and protects your spouses and > children, you have denied those of us who defend all the Bill of > Rights a fair hearing or the courtesy of an honest debate. > > If the NRA attempts to challenge your assertions, we are ignored. > And if we try to buy advertising time or space to answer your charges, > more often than not we are denied. How's that for First Amendment > freedom? > > Clearly, too many have used freedom of the press as a weapon not > only to strangle our free speech, but to erode and ultimately destroy > the right to keep and bear arms as well. In doing so you promoted > your profession to that of constitutional judge and jury, more > powerful even than our Supreme Court, more prejudiced than the > Inquisition's tribunals. It is a frightening misuse of constitutional > privilege, and I pray that you will come to your senses and see that > these abuses are curbed. > > As a veteran of World War II, as a freedom marcher who stood with > Dr Martin Luther King long before it was fashionable, and as a > grandfather who wants the coming century to be free and full of > promise for my grandchildren, I am ... troubled. > > The right to keep and bear arms is threatened by political > theatrics, piecemeal lawmaking, talk show psychology, extreme bad > taste in the entertainment industry, an ever-widening educational > chasm in our schools and a conniving media, that all add up to cultural > warfare against the idea that guns ever had, or should now have, an > honorable and proud place in our society. > > But all of our rights must be delivered into the 21st century as > pure and complete as they came to us at the beginning of this century. > Traditionally the passing of that torch is from a gnarled old > hand down to an eager young one. So now, at 72, I offer my gnarled old > hand. > > I have accepted a call from the National Rifle Association of > America to help protect the Second Amendment. I feel it is my duty to do > that. My mission and vision can be summarized in three simple parts. > > First, before we enter the next century, I expect to see a pro- > Second Amendment president in the White House. > > Secondly, I expect to build an NRA with the political muscle and > clout to keep a pro-Second Amendment Congress in place. > > Third, is a promise to the next generation of free Americans. I > hope to help raise a hundred million dollars for NRA programs and > education before the year 2000. At least half of that sum will go > to teach American kids what the right to keep and bear arms really > means to their culture and country. > > We have raised a generation of young people who think that the > Bill of Rights comes with their cable TV. Leave them to their channel > surfing and they'll remain oblivious to history and heritage that truly > matter. > > Think about it -- what else must young Americans think when the > White House proclaims, as it did, that "a firearm in the hands of youth > is a crime or an accident waiting to happen"? No -- it is time they > learned that firearm ownership is constitutional, not criminal. In fact, > few pursuits can teach a young person more about responsibility, > safety, conservation, their history and their heritage, all at once. > > It is time they found out that the politically correct doctrine > of today has misled them. And that when they reach legal age, if they > do not break our laws, they have a right to choose to own a gun -- a > handgun, a long gun, a small gun, a large gun, a black gun, a > purple gun, a pretty gun, an ugly gun -- and to use that gun to defend > themselves and their loved ones or to engage in any lawful > purpose they desire without apology or explanation to anyone, ever. > > This is their first freedom. If you say it's outdated, then you > haven't read your own headlines. If you say guns create only > carnage, I would answer that you know better. Declining morals, > disintegrating families, vacillating political leadership, an eroding > criminal justice system and social mores that blur right and wrong > are more to blame -- certainly more than any legally owned firearm. > > I want to rescue the Second Amendment from an opportunistic > president, and from a press that apparently can't comprehend that > attacks on the Second Amendment set the stage for assaults on the First. > > I want to save the Second Amendment from all these nitpicking > little wars of attrition -- fights over alleged Saturday night specials, > plastic guns, cop killer bullets and so many other made-for-prime- > time non-issues invented by some press agent over at gun control > headquarters that you guys buy time and again. > > I simply cannot stand by and watch a right guaranteed by the > Constitution of the United States come under attack from those > who either can't understand it, don't like the sound of it, or find > themselves too philosophically squeamish to see why it remains > the first among equals: Because it is the right we turn to when all > else fails. > > That's why the Second Amendment is America's first freedom. > > Please, go forth and tell the truth. There can be no free speech, > no freedom of the press, no freedom to protest, no freedom to > worship your god, no freedom to speak your mind, no freedom from fear, no > freedom for your children and for theirs, for anybody, anywhere, > without the Second Amendment freedom to fight for it. > > If you don't believe me, just turn on the news tonight. > Civilization's veneer is wearing thinner all the time. > > Thank you. > > > Copyright 1997 by Charlton Heston. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: [slickplus] SLICK recd from Alan Keyes (fwd) Date: 11 Sep 1999 10:26:03 PST On Sep 11, skip wrote: >Bill Vance wrote: >> >> On Sep 10, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: >> >> From the Desk of Rich Martin >> >> P O Box 531918 972/263-6631 >> Grand Prairie, TX 75053 RichSlick@aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FORWARDED >> >> Some time ago, I tried to enunciate in a 13-part series entitled "Why We >> Will Fight" the bases for our resistance to the impending tyranny the >> Clintonistas and their friends seem to intend for us. Since then, in a >> number of other letters and essays I've tried to enunciate why the Second >> Amendment is the lynchpin of our liberty. Taken all together, I never >> came close to accomplishing that task as Dr. Keyes has in this short but >> brilliant piece below. He is truly our Thomas Paine. My sincere thanks >> to Arlin Adams for forwarding it to me. -- Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR >> > >I agree that Alan Keyes does it well, although IMO, a bit too >religiously >and intellectually for general consumption and broad effectiveness. >Hopefully you recall Charleton Heston's earlier explanation, but if >not, a copy follows. It also hits the nail on the head. > >Regards, Skip. I disagree. We need the Religious and Intellectual, just as much as we need the Joe and Jane Sixpacs; I.e., _all_ Americans to come on board. Thus comming together, we Americans will prevail on all fronts, not just one or two, here and there. No one can fight all battles everywhere, but when the people come together, many fronts can be addressed. Otherwise, as Ben Franklin put it, "We will all hang seperately". We need to recognize that the Lefts Culture War against Christianity in particular of all other religions, is just as much a touchstone/litmus test as RKBA is. The unstated goal/hallmark ofthe Left is Government of the Criminals, by the Criminals, for the Criminals, as long as they are the, "Government Approved", Politically Correct Criminals. It is then, no wonder that they are against Religion in general and Judaeo/ Christianity in particular. None of the other Religions push Duty, Responsibility, and accountability quite so hard, so naturally, they come under fire the most, (in this Country), as we are mostly Christian, in outlook if not in actuality. Whatever else you might think of Rush Limbaugh and his people, they do not put out false statistics. According to him, 95% of Americans consider themselves to be some variety of Christian. Thats not to say that that many actually _are_ Christians, just that they _see_ _themselves_ as such. As such, it's time a whole lot of us came out of the Prayer Closet, and take up once again, our proper place in the Public Square of Ideas, Philosophy, and Politics. We've allowed ourselves to be shouted down by a loud minority, and need to turn the tables. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: rkba-list: A VERY interesting read! (fwd) Date: 11 Sep 1999 13:14:40 PST On Sep 11, Dave Workman wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] What To Do If The Police Come To Confiscate Your Militia Weapons By Howard J. Fezell, Esq. This essay originally appeared in the June, 1990 issue of DOWNRANGE, the official publication of the Maryland State Rifle & Pistol Association. (Also check out a file put on the Net by the ACLU entitled Your Rights in an Encounter with the Police and download their pocket-sized Bustcard) As California and New Jersey have enacted bans on the sale and unlicensed possession of militia-style semi-automatic rifles, every Marylander who professes loyalty to the Constitution should consider what action he or she will take in the event that Congress, or our own General Assembly were to follow suit. The points addressed in this article are premised on three assumptions. 1. Either Congress, or our General Assembly has enacted legislation prohibiting or severely restricting the possession of weapons protected by the Second Amendment (eg., military pattern semi-automatic rifles). 2. The reader has already decided to uphold the Constitution and not turn over his or her "prohibited" firearms under any circumstances, nor to register such weapons in order to facilitate their future confiscation. The reader has also failed to respond to government directives to dispose of or surrender such firearms. 3. The reader has secured all "prohibited" firearms away from his or her principal residence so as to prevent their unconstitutional seizure by the authorities. What do you do when the police show up on your doorstep demanding the surrender of your militia weapons? In responding, bear in mind that you have two important rights guaranteed by the Fourth and Fifth Amendments to the United States Constitution. The Fourth Amendment protects you against unreasonable searches and seizures. If the police want to search your house without your consent, they need a warrant. Warrants may only be issued upon a showing of probable cause, supported by an affidavit. The facts contained in the affidavit must do more than support a mere suspicion. The test is whether the information in the affidavit would justify a person of prudence and caution in believing that an offense is being committed, e.g. that "prohibited" weapons can be found on your premises. The requirement of probable cause for the issuance of warrants is one of your most precious constitutional protections. NEVER GIVE THE AUTHORITIES YOUR CONSENT TO SEARCH YOUR HOUSE, YOUR CAR, YOUR PLACE OF BUSINESS, OR ANY OTHER PREMISES UNDER YOUR CONTROL. Consent dispenses with the necessity of probable cause. While lacking probable cause, if the police conduct a search with your consent and seize evidence for use against you in court, your lawyer will not be able to suppress it on the basis that the search was warrantless. The Fifth Amendment protects you against giving evidence against yourself, i.e., your right to remain silent. Just as you cannot be compelled to testify against yourself in a criminal trial, neither can you be compelled to answer a policeman's questions about that AR-15 you bought a couple of years ago and never surrendered. Don't be bashful about invoking this right. It's always better to remain silent and appear guilty than to open your mouth and prove it. At the outset of any contact with the police, ask them if they have a warrant to search your premises, or a warrant for your arrest. Without one or the other, don't let them inside your front door. If they have neither, politely request that they leave and gently close the door. If you have an attorney, keep one of his cards in your wallet. Give it to the officer in charge and request that all inquiries be made through your counsel. Remember, the police wouldn't be at your doorstep if you were not the target of a criminal investigation. You have no obligation whatsoever to cooperate with people who intend to unlawfully confiscate your property and put you in jail. They can't arrest you for keeping your mouth shut and going about your business. The police may still persist in trying to question you, or ask your consent to "take a look around". Again, if you have an attorney, give the officer in charge one of his or her cards and request that all inquiries be made through your counsel. Above all, remember that you have the right to break off this conversation. Do so immediately. In some instances where the police lack a search warrant, they will tell you that it's a simple matter for them to obtain one and they "just want to save everybody a lot of time". This is hogwash. Politely tell them to go get one, and close the door. If they suggest that it will "go a lot easier on you" should you give them your consent to search, tell them to call your lawyer, and close the door. In the event the police do in fact have a warrant either to arrest you or to search your premises, do not offer any resistance. You will have other battles to fight (presumably with the weapons you have hidden) and you want to be alive and kicking when the time comes. You are a member of the militia and we don't want to lose you or your weapon. You also don't want to do anything to endanger your family or deprive them of a home. Don't be foolish and engage the authorities in a firefight that you have no chance of winning. On the other hand, you are not obliged to do anything to make the officers' job easier, such as giving them the combintation to your gun safe. You have the right to remain silent and should take advantage of it. That may cause the authorities to forcibly open your safe, with resultant damage. But let them work at their task. After all, it's their search warrant. Politely request to see a copy of any warrants, and above all, remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in court. Tell the officers that you do not want to say anything or answer any questions -- and that you want to talk to an attorney immediately. If you already have a lawyer, request permission to telephone him or her. If you have been taken into custody, the police are obliged to cease and desist from interrogation once you have asserted your right to remain silent and requested the assistance of legal counsel. Your spouse and children will be natural targets of interrogation for the authorities. Do they know where your firearms are hidden? Although Maryland law generally prohibits your spouse from testifying against you in a criminal trial, that will be of no help of he or she breaks down under questioning and the authorities know where to retrieve your guns. Never forget that your objective is to safeguard your weapons and ammunition for the defense of the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. If you or a family members are subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury or other judicial or governmental body, get an attorney immediately. Legal counsel can be very helpful, either in trying to quash the subpoena or helping to invoke one's rights against self-incrimination. Never, under any circumstances, should you lie to the authorities. Simply exercise your right to remain silent. Don't try to snow them with phony bills of sale that can easily be checked out and used to impeach your credibility in court should you decide to testify. Above all, don't file a false police report that your guns were lost or stolen. Making a false report to a police officer that results in an investigation being undertaken is a criminal offense in Maryland. Remember, you are not a criminal. Your ultimate goal is to defend the Constitution. Likewise, don't fall for any of the authorities' lies. Police love to play "Mutt & Jeff" (also known as "Good Cop - Bad Cop"). One officer comes across as a real hardcase, telling you about all the jail time you're looking at. After a few minutes of this, his partner takes you aside, offers you a cigarette, and in a friendly tone tells you that he "only wants to help you". He only wants to help you confess. Tell Mr. Nice Guy you want to talk with a lawyer. Another police tactic is to tell you that a friend of yours has confessed and given them a statement implicating you for all all kinds of things. They're just trying to rattle your cage and make you blurt something out. Keep your mouth shut and let your attorney handle the police. If they really have such a statement, your counsel will be able to discover it. If the authorities have a warrant to search your home, they might imply (sometimes none too subtlely) that if you do not come across with that they're looking for they will tear the place apart. Don't give in. Just keep your mouth shut. If you hand over your "prohibited" weapons, you've just given them all the evidence they need to put you in prison. Even if you fall for this scare tactic, the police may still trash your house. Although this is the rare exception, not the rule, such conduct is not unheard of. In the event you are on the receiving end of a search warrant, do not be pressured into signing any inventories of property seized without first consulting with an attorney. There might be something on that list that is prohibited according to some obscure regulation that you've never heard of. Also be sure that you or some family member receive an itemized list of any property seized. Under Maryland law the police are obliged to sign one and leave it at the premises from which the property is taken. If it is subsequently determined that the authorities took anything that was not within the scope of their warrant, your attorney should motion the court for its prompt return. Hopefully, you will never have to avail yourself of the advice set forth above. The best thing you can do to keep the Free State really free is to make a healthy contribution to the cause, show up to testify in Annapolis next Winter, and keep up the pressure on your Delegate and Senator. Remember, the battle to defend our liberties has already begun - and you are one of the Constitution's foot soldiers. ___________________________________________________________________ Howard Fezell is a former member of the NRA Board of Directors [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #151 (2/2) (fwd) Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:53:58 PST On Sep 11, Doug Fiedor wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] His two "conservative" strengths were his tendency to vote for lower taxes and strong national security. However, "independent" from the bowels of government he is not. He is a Washington insider and can be expected to conduct the investigation in a way that will not cause many waves. On the other hand, John Danforth is known by many to be an honest man. The basic problem, as we see it, is that the "independent investigation" will be no more independent than Janet Reno wishes it to be. And, if Janet Reno wanted that information out, it would have been made public years ago. Danforth will be reporting to Eric Holder at Justice -- big government personified. Holder is expected to try to block as much public disclosure as possible. Therefore, if we see grand jury testimony, rather than public hearings, we will know a typical Washington cover-up is in progress. Right now, the best that we can hope for is that the outside "investigation" and the Congressional hearings feed on each other. That is, that they start different lines of inquiry early on and then share information and make it public. To insure this, we should start putting pressure on our Members of Congress immediately. Look for Holder to cover up everything possible and block Danforth as much as he can. Because, if all the evidence ever leaks out, many in government will be out of work and some will be heading for prison. That will probably not be allowed. Not unless we force it. THE TRUTH AS ITS OWN DEFENSE On September 3, 1999 at 8:06 p.m. ET, CNN ran this segment for the American public as "news." JIM MORET, CNN ANCHOR: Militia groups have long voiced conspiracy theories about the government's intentions at Waco. With the release of the FBI tapes, those theories and the militia movement are seeing a revival on the Internet. CHARLES BIERBAUER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Waco became a warning cry for the militia. Many believed then it was a government conspiracy to wipe out a non-conformist sect. Now, they have the FBI tapes. DEVIN BURGHART, CENTER FOR NEW COMMUNITY: A kind of propaganda victory, if you will. They're able to say, look, we were right all along about the situation, and it fuels their conspiracies about the federal government. BIERBAUER: Militia Web sites reflect that. The militia of Montana: "What do you want to bet the tactical uplink was being heard other than in the FBI headquarters, like in the White House situation room?" Free Republic: "The whole truth needs to come out, including the crushed kids, and this continues to be covered up." The news the FBI used potentially flammable grenades and some agents knew all along it had used them sustains the militia belief in other theories, Delta Force troops and armed helicopters. Two things are very interesting with this report: First, millions of good Americans nationwide, who may or may not be part of a "Militia," were exactly correct all along. They were correct because they have abilities, and a logical thinking process, much more advanced than the big government proponents and apologists in the national media. This includes many Americans who have never even met a member of a Militia. Second, we found it rather interesting that CNN mistakenly included Free Republic in with Militia groups. In fact, we found that comment so funny that we called Jim Robinson, the owner and operator of Free Republic, on the telephone. Jim wasn't upset at all. Rather he, like us, just considered the source. Jim's first comment resonated clearly: "I don't think I have ever even met someone in the Militia," he laughed. And even if he had, what's the point? The truth is still the truth. That does not change, just because the national media is only now catching on to the Waco cover up and seems to be upset they got snookered. With this and other stories, the national media let the American people down. That's the way it is. The national media has become complacent, part of the government system; and hence, part of the problem. In matters of government, many in the national media are slow and uninformed. They are but "repeaters," not reporters. There are very few actual "journalists" left in this country. Most who claim the title are but purveyors of socialist propaganda. Millions of Americans are beginning to realize that, with few exceptions, what is called news today is either a repeat of the liberal government line or what we called "entertainment" just a few years ago. Nonetheless, this CNN report requires some clarification. The Free Republic web site provides a great service for those interested in reading and commenting on the news of the day. Waco is but one topic addressed there. So, we asked Jim if he would like to "explain" the premise behind some of the comments on his Free Republic web site for Heads Up readers. Below is Jim's written reply: Free Republic is a pro-Constitution and anti- corruption web site. We feel that, over the last century and a half, the federal government has illegally usurped power from the states and the people. The Constitution clearly enumerates the powers of the federal government and leaves all remaining powers with the states and in the hands of the people. The framers feared an over-powering central government and so designed a system with three separate, but equal, branches with checks and balances to prevent usurpation and corruption. The Founders then left most of the responsibility and power for legislating and enforcing criminal law with the states. The Waco tragedy is a prime example of an out- of-control government at its worst. First of all, Congress has no power to infringe on the people's right to bear arms, or to assemble peaceably to practice their religion. Second, the federal gun laws are unconstitutional, as are the federal tobacco and drug laws. The Constitution was not intended to give the federal government the power to write laws restricting the people's use of arms, tobacco and drugs; much less the power to maintain an armed police agency such as the BATF. [NOTE: When the federal government wanted to prohibit intoxicating liquors, in 1918, they did it the correct way: by passing an Amendment to the Constitution authorizing federal regulation. No such Constitutional Amendment yet exists for federal regulation of personal firearms, tobacco or drugs. Therefore, the federal government has no such authority-- ed.] Third, using the military in the enforcement of civilian law is also prohibited. Thus, the illegal warrant should never have been written or approved, a federal police force should never have been used to serve it, the military should never have been used to enforce it and the federal government has no Constitutional power to legislate or enforce laws of this nature in the state of Texas. Had the government simply abided by the Constitution, these innocent men, women and children would not have been burned and/or shot to death and American citizens would not be living in fear of our own government today. We "right-wing wackos" on the Internet have known all this for years and we are trying to get the word out to the people that the government and their wholly owned propaganda arm (otherwise known as the major media) have been brainwashing the American people for years. Every agency of the government uses propaganda to justify and expand their illegal powers and control over us and to cover-up their own influence peddling, crime and corruption. The FBI/BATF's crimes and resulting cover-up of the Waco massacre is certainly no surprise to us. Our interest has not been revived nor opinions vindicat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #151 (1/2) (fwd) Date: 12 Sep 1999 10:55:50 PST On Sep 11, Doug Fiedor wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Heads Up A Weekly View from the Foothills of Appalachia September 12, 1999 #151 by: Doug Fiedor fiedor19@eos.net Previous Editions at: http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/list-hu.htm A SOCIALIST LESSON Hide the newspapers and turn off the televisions. There's a lesson being taught in the current news and it is most definitely not something we want American youngsters to learn. This lesson pertains to morals, honor, truth, justice, and what we once called "The American Way." That's why, running true to form, the far-left have it totally backwards. Liberals would have us believe that the worst part of American society are those among us who work towards a Constitutional form of government. We're actually called "extremists" for wanting that which was intended by the Founding Fathers and not embracing socialism. >From the left's point of view, anyone not immediately kowtowing to the expediency of big government is wrong. Even when we're specifically correct, we're wrong, according to the far left. For instance, in a September 1 New York Times piece by Jim Yardley, some of the new information concerning Waco was adequately related. But, rather than admit that the fine efforts of Michael McNulty and David Hardy were at last bearing fruit and receiving the attention they most definitely deserve, Yardley quotes two far-left big-government apologists who obviously know little or nothing of the topic: "It's really unfortunate,'' said Mark Potok, a spokesman for the Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that monitors the militia movement and other anti-government groups. "This has given credence to the rest of McNulty's views, which are unsupported." Then, Yardley quotes Mark Pitcavage, who recently graduated from school. While a student, Pitcavage set up a web page called The Militia Watchdog, which apparently makes him an expert to the New York Times. "The Waco documentary was highly publicized, but the inaccuracies were not," Pitcavage said. "I don't think the McNulty Waco documentary could even remotely be considered objective." Maybe so. But, objectivity is not necessary when "truth" is the criterion. And, McNulty is 99% correct. Contrast those on the far left with the opinion of someone who actually knows what he is talking about and you get a totally different picture: "Mike and Dave deserve the lion's share of the credit for coming up with the evidence," said Joe Phillips, a lawyer for the Branch Davidian families in a wrongful death lawsuit, scheduled to go to trial in federal court in Waco on Oct. 18. "They've been working on this for years." But, it gets better yet. Socialists, it seems are to get a free pass, but average Americans do not. President Clinton -- who has invited a steady stream of terrorists, illegal arms merchants, drug dealers, money launderers, socialists, and communists to the White House -- now wants to pardon 16 Puerto Rican terrorists. Most of these 16 are from the FALN, a guerrilla group. This is no rag-tag group of disgruntles, either. The Armed Forces of National Liberation, known by its Spanish initials, FALN, is a clandestine revolutionary organization orchestrated by the Cuban government and a member of Socialist International. Like its sister group, the Macheteros, FALN believes in the use of terrorist warfare to bring about political change. The FALN group was Founded in 1974 by members of three earlier guerrilla groups. The earlier groups were credited with trying to assassinate President Truman in 1950 and a 1954 shooting attack on the U.S. House of Representatives that wounded five Representatives. FALN was responsible for a series of 130 bomb attacks on U.S. political and military targets between 1974 and 1983. Most notably, FALN is known for bombing the Newark, NJ police headquarters and City Hall, the firebombings of five New York banks and the bombing of New York City's Fraunces Tavern -- which killed four people and wounded 60. Two of the prisoners were convicted in a $7.5 million armored-truck robbery in West Hartford, Conn. That 1983 robbery was to finance the separatist group Los Macheteros, or "Cane Cutters," which attacked U.S. government installations in Puerto Rico. At least two others were arrested while constructing bombs. Among other changes, the group was convicted of conspiring to overthrow the U.S. government. Defenders of this terrorist group now tell us that none was convicted of actually causing violence (except for the robbery), yet all of the bombings suddenly stopped. They received an average sentence of 70 years, so apparently the Court wanted the terrorist activity to stay stopped. But, alas, these are socialists. So, every left wing socialist group in the country wants Clinton to pardon them. So, 11 of these terrorists get out this weekend. And therein lies our lesson from the American media: Outstanding American citizens peacefully working for a Constitutional form of government are "right wing extremists." Socialist fanatics who bomb innocent people deserve mercy. A RIGHT TO BE LET ALONE AT HOME Except in an emergency, it is a violation of civil rights for government agents to enter a home without a search warrant when not invited in. So says at least one U.S. Court of Appeals. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals case, Calabretta v. Floyd (9715385), "involves whether a social worker and a police officer were entitled to qualified immunity, for a coerced entry into a home to investigate suspected child abuse, interrogation of a child, and strip search of a child, conducted without a search warrant and without a special exigency." The facts of the case are simple: Some neighbor called Social Services with a complaint that they heard the Calabretta's youngest child crying something like "No, no, no daddy" one night. Evidently, that's all it takes in California. The social worker, Floyd, went to the home to investigate but, as was her right, Mrs. Calabretta would not allow Floyd in. So, Floyd went to the office and made a report. Then, Floyd went on a two week vacation. Somewhere along the line, Floyd learned that the Calabrettas were a very religious family and home schooled their children. That being a red flag in the face of government social workers and teachers, Floyd called for police assistance in visiting the family. And, this is where things get a little uncomfortable: Many police officers follow the law and would not enter the Calabretta's home without either being invited in or having a warrant. Some police officers will bully their way in, via intimidation. Others will do anything it takes, including shooting, to get in. This police officer used intimidation. Well, social worker and police officer claimed they have something called "qualified immunity" for what they did and therefore are protected against any civil or criminal action -- even though they obviously violated the Calabretta's Fourth Amendment rights. Their theory was that an administrative search to protect the welfare of children does not carry the requirement that they first secure a warrant. The Court, however, did not agree. And now things get very interesting. The court said that "the facts in this case are noteworthy for the absence of emergency." No one was in distress. "The police officer was there to back up the social worker's insistence on entry against the mother's will, not because he perceived any imminent danger of harm." And he should have known better. Furthermore, "had the information been more alarming, had the social worker or police officer been alarmed, had there been reason to fear ed with recently published Waco information. We have never lost sight of the truth. What we are now is more determined than ever to get these illegal powers, laws and agencies repealed, abolished, rescinded and/or shut down forever -- and to restore our Liberty and faith in our Constitutional form of government. Wander over to Free Republic and look around. The site can be a bit overwhelming at first. But, as a repository for current information from many sources, it is unprecedented. The well written "help" section will walk you through any problems you may have maneuvering in the web site. http://www.freerepublic.com ~ End ~ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - imminent harm to a child, this would be a different case, one to which we have no occasion to speak. A reasonable official would understand that they could not enter the home without consent or a search warrant." And now the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals defines the law: "In our circuit, a reasonable official would have known that the law barred this entry. Any government official can be held to know that their office does not give them an unrestricted right to enter peoples' homes at will. We held in White v. Pierce County (797 F.2d 812 (9th Cir. 1986)), a child welfare investigation case, that 'it was settled constitutional law that, absent exigent circumstances, police could not enter a dwelling without a warrant even under statutory authority where probable cause existed.' The principle that government officials cannot coerce entry into people's houses without a search warrant or applicability of an established exception to the requirement of a search warrant is so well established that any reasonable officer would know it. Under White, appellants' claim, that 'a search warrant is not required for home investigatory visits by social workers,' is simply not the law." The Court continues later: "The Fourth Amendment preserves the 'right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses . . . .' without limiting that right to one kind of government official. It is not as though all reasonable people thought any government official could enter private houses against the occupants' will, without search warrant or special exigency, and then White said that police officers could not, without speaking about social workers. Rather, everyone knew that the government could not so enter houses, and White said that principle was well established, in the context of a child abuse investigation." And there we have it: "Any government official can be held to know that their office does not give them an unrestricted right to enter peoples' homes at will. The principle that government officials cannot coerce entry into people's houses without a search warrant or applicability of an established exception to the requirement of a search warrant is so well established that any reasonable officer would know it. The Fourth Amendment preserves the 'right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses . . . .' without limiting that right to one kind of government official." In other words, just say no. "A social worker is not entitled to sacrifice a family's privacy and dignity to her own personal views on how parents ought to discipline their children." The Courts reasoning for this ruling was simple and straightforward: "The reasonable expectation of privacy of individuals in their homes includes the interests of both parents and children in not having government officials coerce entry in violation of the Fourth Amendment and humiliate the parents in front of the children. An essential aspect of the privacy of the home is the parent's and the child's interest in the privacy of their relationship with each other." Read the complete opinion at http://laws.findlaw.com/9th/9715385.html WILL THEY COVER UP WACO? Operation Showtime was perhaps one of the best armed "police action" operations in American history. >From the newest in spy aircraft and listening devices to the best armored vehicles available, no expense was sparred. Fully automatic assault rifles, and ammunition, were plentiful -- many equipped with flash and noise suppressers. Many hundreds of assorted grenades and pyrotechnic devices were also available, as were at least four methods of delivering debilitating gasses. Any and all of these things can start a fire. Yet, government officials still maintain, with a straight face no less, that they were not responsible for the resultant fire at Waco. There were huge floodlights used in the operation, yet the Texas Rangers also found flares that were apparently fired by federal agents. Some of these flares were of the type favored by the FBI to intentionally start building fires. Evidence logs showed many such spent flares were recovered in the weeks after the Davidian compound burned following the FBI/Special Forces siege. Previous Congressional hearings on the Waco disaster learned nothing of any of these devices because those testifying from the FBI, the Justice Department and the Army covered it up. The fact is, they lied to Congress. They intentionally committed perjury. Repeatedly and continuously. Now there is proof that quite a number of Special Forces personnel were there. So many, in fact, they were even rotating through their British Army counterparts, as if they were proud of themselves, or something. Did the British help kill Americans? The FBI says it did not shoot into the building that last day. However, there is proof that at least two people were spraying automatic gunfire into the back of the building during the fire. Perhaps FBI plans to point the finger of blame at the Army. But, if that happens, yet another inconvenient question pops up: Who was in charge? Rep. Asa Hutchinson said of a new round of Congressional investigations, "We need to review first of all the cause of the fire." Sure. But before that there is that little matter of perjury before the first Congressional hearings. Then, we need to know exactly how many Army personnel were aiding the ATF attack and who gave the reinforcement order for the military to back up the FBI. The question of who started the fire will be answered with the FBI/Army's own films. Whoever was firing those flares from grenade launchers at the rear of the building started the fire. And no matter who that may have been, we are certain it was not the Branch Davidians. Experts were driving those tanks and Bradleys. That is evident to anyone who has ever been at the controls of one of those beasts. FBI agents did not drive the tanks. Which means, simply, Army personnel assaulted American citizens. Yes, there are quite a few questions to be answered, Rep. Hutchinson. But the question of who started the fire will be answered by the evidence withheld from the first round of Congressional hearings. When the above simple questions are answered, Congress must then be prepared to immediately charge half of those testifying before previous Waco hearings with both contempt of Congress and perjury. The American people will demand at least that. Now comes Attorney General Janet Reno's offer to former Senator John Claggett Danforth of Missouri to head an independent inquiry. Before entering the Senate (in 1976), he served as attorney general in Missouri for eight years. Evidently, that makes Danforth a skilled law enforcement officer to those in Washington. Generally speaking, Danforth was a middle of the road liberal who supported big government in many ways. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: ACLU: Privacy Battle Heats Up in the Senate (fwd) Date: 14 Sep 1999 21:56:51 PST On Sep 14, Don Cline wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Goodyear, Arizona (near Phoenix) Y'all might figure the ACLU ain't worth much, and a lot of the time you'd be right. But here is an issue on which they are on target. As for topicality to this list, remember that if they get a national drivers' license database, the issue of a national gunowners' database becomes moot, because the information will simply be added to that national drivers' license database. Forwarded from the ACLU list: ======================================== 1. Privacy Battle Heats Up in the Senate The struggle to protect personal information takes center stage for civil libertarians this week as the Senate considers a transportation spending bill that would prohibit the federal government from giving highway funds to states that sell drivers' personal information without the consent of the driver. The legislation arose after Florida, South Carolina and Colorado tried to sell digitized photographic images of 22 million drivers to a New Hampshire company -- partially funded by the Secret Service -- to establish a national database of drivers' images and personal information. Public outrage killed those state efforts to invade our privacy; only public outrage will ensure that no state ever again tries to sell our private data. Sen. Richard Shelby, R-AL, has inserted a provision in a massive transportation spending bill, S. 1143, which would protect our data. But we're up against a large and well-funded coalition of information brokers, junk mailers, insurance firms, check cashers and industry groups who are, as one Capitol Hill publication said, "desperate" to remove his provision. Act Now! We have an action alert with more information about the Shelby provision and a FREE FAX that you can send to your senators on the ACLU website at: http://www.aclu.org/action/drivers106.html ======================================== -- Don Cline Homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~frdmftr The Right to Keep and Bear Arms brought about The Parliamentary Revolution The Magna Carta The American Revolution The world's first and only nation of liberty. Without it you are naught but a feudal serf. EXERCISE your Right to Keep and Bear Arms or KNEEL BEFORE YOUR MASTER. RKBA! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: House Passes Campaign Reforms - write to your senator (fwd) Date: 15 Sep 1999 09:48:28 PST On Sep 15, Shimm, David wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Write to your Senator to oppose this bill. This is important -- if Shays-Meehan becomes law, it will be illegal for NRA or any other pro-gun organizations to run issue oriented ads within 60 days of an election House Passes Campaign Reforms 252 to 177 Vote Puts Pressure on Senate By Helen Dewar Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, September 15, 1999; Page A01 The House last night approved a bipartisan bill to overhaul the nation's scandal-scarred campaign finance laws by cutting off the flow of unregulated contributions to political parties and curbing attack ads by advocacy groups. Lawmakers passed the measure, 252 to 177, as proponents overcame adamant opposition from Republican leaders. The House action put new pressure on reluctant Senate Republicans to reverse themselves and approve a plan aimed at curbing special-interest influence on elections. As of now, the bill's supporters do not have the votes to overcome a Senate filibuster. The final vote came shortly before midnight, after a nearly day-long debate in which House members argued, often passionately, over whether the bill would strengthen or undermine democracy and citizens' rights to free speech and honest elections. The final margin, roughly the same as the vote by which the House approved the same bill last year, reflected lawmakers' continued concern over public reaction to fund-raising scandals in the 1996 presidential campaign and signs that spending on the 2000 race will set records. Fifty-four Republicans broke ranks with their leaders and joined most Democrats in supporting the measure. "We're going from a government by the people, for the people, to a government of lobbyists and special interests," said House Minority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) in arguing for the bill. "By passing [the bill], we will take a major first step toward restoring the American people's belief in their representative democracy and returning the agenda back to their needs." The bill, sponsored by Reps. Christopher Shays (R-Conn.) and Martin T. Meehan (D-Mass.), would bar the use of unregulated, unlimited "soft money" from corporations, unions and wealthy individuals in federal campaigns, shutting down a fast-growing source of campaign funding that figured prominently in the 1996 campaign finance scandals. It also would apply existing campaign rules to ads targeting specific candidates that are run by advocacy groups within 60 days of an election, which currently escape regulation because they do not call explicitly for the candidates' election or defeat. Other proposals would strengthen disclosure requirements, clarify laws governing foreign contributions to campaigns and create a commission to propose other reforms. GOP leaders balked at rescheduling the House debate on campaign finance for this fall and fought the legislation to the end, warning wavering Republicans that they would lose their edge in soft-money contributions if the bill passed. Democrats have strongly supported the measure, though they too have come to benefit heavily from soft money. Yesterday, both sides agreed that the system is a "mess," as Rep. John T. Doolittle (R-Calif.) put it, but they disagreed over whether the bill would make it worse or better: Worse, because it would threaten free speech and political participation, said Doolittle. Better, because it would help ensure that "elections are governed by law" and not "manipulated by loophole," argued Rep. Stephen Horn (R-Calif.) Some of the strongest criticism of the bill came from Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), who said: "Make no mistake about it. Shays-Meehan guts the First Amendment, threatens citizen participation in the political process and ends the ability of citizen groups to educate the public unless they file bureaucratic paperwork with the federal government." Supporters of the bill argued that free speech was being raised as a red herring. "This is not about freedom of speech, because we have retained free speech. It's about ending the corruption of politics," Shays said. Before the final vote, lawmakers beat back nine proposed amendments or substitutes that would have derailed the measure by killing it outright, gutting its key provisions or destroying its base of support. The House rejected amendments to raise individual contribution limits from $1,000 to $3,000, weaken proposed restrictions on printed attack ads, require candidates to raise at least half of their contributions from their home states, exempt Internet ads from regulation, and invalidate the whole bill if any part of it was struck down by the courts. Lawmakers also rejected three proposed substitutes that would have repealed existing contribution limits, offered narrower soft-money regulations or confined any changes to an updating of Federal Election Commission operations. But the House voted 242 to 181 to approve, as it did last year, a proposal to prohibit foreign-born persons who are legal permanent residents but not U.S. citizens from making contributions to federal campaigns. It also approved, 261 to 167, an amendment to require non-officeholders -- such as prospective New York Senate hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton -- to pay the full cost of travel when they fly on government planes to campaign. At a campaign event on Long Island, Clinton called the proposal a "diversionary attempt to try to take attention away from the important issue of campaign finance reform." Before the debate opened, President Clinton, whose controversial fund-raising practices in 1996 helped inspire the current reform effort, wrote all House members urging passage of the bill. Passage would "revitalize the political process by curbing the role of special interests, giving voters a louder voice and treating incumbents and challengers of both parties fairly," Clinton wrote. Across the Capitol, Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Russell D. Feingold (D-Wis.) were struggling to find a way of picking up Republican support for their version of the bill without alienating Democrats, who account for the vast majority of votes in favor of the legislation. Under an agreement worked out earlier by McCain, Feingold and Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.), the two sponsors were to submit their bill by yesterday. Yesterday, Feingold said he and McCain needed more time but would submit a bill later this week. One option is to drop the provision on issue ads and confine the bill to curbs on soft money, thereby deflecting some of the free-speech arguments against the bill. Key Democrats have strongly objected to any major scaling back of the bill. In two votes last year, a majority of senators voted for the McCain-Feingold bill, but it fell eight votes short of the 60 needed to cut off a GOP filibuster. No Republicans other than the seven who joined Democrats in trying to cut off the filibuster last year have said they will support the bill this year, though McCain has said at least two have expressed interest. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/15/198l-091599-idx.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Stand Together Or Fall Apart (fwd) Date: 15 Sep 1999 23:31:22 PST On Sep 15, Exegesis wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Exegesis A Compass For Moral Excellence Published Worldwide From Washington http://www.sm.org/exegesis September 15, 1999 ______________________________ Have you read our daily online newspaper? Every day, we scan the world's finest news sources and produce a=20 daily online newspaper just for you. We update it as events dictate. PAGE 1 NEWS Real News from the Real World http://www.sm.org/news or http://www.page1news.com ______________________________ ExTel The lowest ever long-distance rates! See our expanded range of=20 wholesale services! Unitel: 5.9 cents a minute anywhere in the US. Your own toll-free=20 number for just 5.9=A2 a minute - and no monthly fees!=20 http://unitelagent.com/?sm.org Opex (formerly PremierCom): 7.5 cents a minute anywhere in the US,=20 super-discounted international and instate rates. 6 second billing,=20 no monthly fees! http://ld.net/7.5/sm.org AccuLinq Calling Cards at 9.9 cents a minute - http://ld.net/linq/?sm.org See all our services at http://www.sm.org ______________________________ Stand Together Or Fall Apart What we have is a one-party system in Washington that is masquerading=20 as a two-party system, and I think what we need is a real opposition=20 party. Patrick Buchanan, Meet The Press, September 12, 1999 In the United States, a one-party system disguised as a two-party=20 system has replaced free elections. Exegesis, March 8, 1999 Has the time come to break the mold of America's corrupt two-party=20 system? It has become debilitating to the point of despair. As we=20 wrote a year ago, "as long as Americans are limited to a choice=20 between strong socialism or weak socialism, an increasing number of=20 them will vote by staying home. Neither major party seems willing to=20 offer a way back to limited, constitutional government." Nothing has=20 changed. The American political system has been reduced to a monolithic=20 politburo, in which the nation's founding principles, the=20 Constitution, innovation and excellence are eschewed in favor of a=20 nanny state, an apparently terminal national decline, and a deeply=20 desired mediocrity, primarily because the Elite who rule both parties=20 have no interest in change, principle or individualism. There is=20 only the weakest argument to be made for retaining the status quo. The Elite profits from chaos and drift, while their media distract=20 and entertain the masses with perpetual nothink. America has been=20 seduced into a trivia trance while even those few Republicans who=20 genuinely seek change find themselves trapped in a rigged system. George W. Bush is clearly different from Bill Clinton, but is he=20 different enough? What he seems to be proposing amounts to what=20 Margaret Thatcher called "milk and water socialism", the usual array=20 of watered down big government programs. He can certainly show=20 differences with the Democrats, but they seem marginal compared with=20 the similarities. Does America really need compassionate Conservatism, his father's=20 kinder, gentler nation? Or does it need a thorough legislative=20 spring cleaning to sweep away, once and for all, the unconstitutional=20 bureaucracy that overburdens taxpayers and stifles initiative? If he=20 wants conservative votes, Mr. Bush needs to state boldly that he is=20 very different, that he really means business. Is Mr. Bush suggesting that unqualified conservatism is uncaring? It=20 depends on how you define care, but surely the first act of caring is=20 good stewardship of public time, money and talents. Is it a good use=20 of public money, for example, to devote half the nation's income to=20 subsidizing the other half? Does that help people to help=20 themselves? There are many ways in which Mr. Bush outshines Bill=20 Clinton's grotesque, immoral character and Al Gore's dull liberalism,=20 but if he simply seeks to be a Clinton of the Right, America has had=20 quite enough of that, thank you. Conservative principles of limited, Constitutional government, low=20 taxes, Christian ethics and an end to corporate and personal=20 subsidies do not need to be qualified. They stand solid as a rock.=20 Wouldn't it be glorious to see the prosperous, self-sufficient,=20 well-disciplined nation that would result from their implementation=20 for a few decades? Come to think of it, wouldn't it be a terrific=20 step forward to be allowed the choice to vote for them in a free=20 election? William Rees-Mogg, writing with his usual perceptive pen in The Times=20 of London this week, says that "Americans feel that their federal=20 Government has become too distant and too corrupt, that crooks in=20 high places have taken it away from them." He is right, but can=20 anything be done, and if so, what? The media naysayers confirm beyond doubt that the time is right for a=20 strong third party challenge. Of course, the odds remain firmly in=20 George W. Bush's favor, and we see no reason to change our January=20 24, 1997 prediction that he will be the next President of the United=20 States. However, those who wish to see a return to a small, low cost=20 government can afford to wait no longer.. If the time is right to=20 challenge the two-party system, how it shall be done and what result=20 should be sought? The end of the system? Electoral Reform? Should=20 a third party seek merely the White House or should they seek to win=20 seats in Congress too? Can such a third party maintain its purity,=20 free from the influence and control of the Elite? There are three principal "third parties" in America: the=20 Libertarian Party, the Reform Party, started by Ross Perot, and the=20 Constitution Party, formerly the US Taxpayers' Party. All have=20 contested elections but, except for Jesse Ventura's gubernatorial=20 victory in Minnesota last year, none has ever won any significant=20 office. Yet can the three parties still afford the luxury of=20 separateness and perceived ideological purity, even if it means that=20 power will never be theirs? Indeed, is there a way in which at least=20 two of them could enter some kind of an alliance to gain a real=20 foothold with voters? In the last Exegesis, we proposed such a=20 possibility: an electoral alliance between the Reform Party and the=20 Constitution Party. As we predicted, Pat Buchanan's imminent defection to the Reform=20 Party will result in a solidly pro-life platform, whatever the=20 preferences of Governor Jesse Ventura. That removes the greatest=20 obstacle in the way of such an alliance. There remain differences,=20 but none as great as those within the Republican Party. As this=20 fascinating scenario develops, perhaps it is time for our friends in=20 the newly renamed Constitution Party to schedule a quiet meeting with=20 Mr. Buchanan. The former US Taxpayers' Party has a wonderful and extensive network=20 of devoted followers. The Reform Party has the financial backing of=20 Ross Perot and will soon have an articulate, nationally-known=20 candidate. If an agreement can be struck, could the Constitution=20 Party's vice-presidential candidate, Joseph Sobran, run on a joint=20 Constitution-Reform ticket with Pat Buchanan? Wouldn't the result be=20 worth a small sacrifice of pride? William Rees-Mogg again: "If voters simply want to clear Clinton and=20 Clintonism out of the White House they can vote for George W. Bush.=20 That would, however, only replace the Democrat establishment with the=20 Republican one." Are enough voters sufficiently disillusioned with=20 the elite to break ranks and vote their consciences? If a=20 Constitution-Reform Alliance came about, it would need a few favors. One helpful favor would be Gary Bauer's eventual endorsement. In=20 1996, the US Taxpayers' Party was supported by the influential Dr.=20 James Dobson. If he did so again and Gary Bauer joined him,=20 conservatives might find a home at last. There would still be=20 challenges, not the least of which would be to expose the vast amount=20 of electoral fraud and to overcome the establishment media.=20 Nonetheless, when natural allies join forces to combat a single=20 enemy, in this case, the two-party system, they strengthen themselves=20 and their cause. It's a challenge for Ross Perot, Howard Phillips, Pat Buchanan and=20 Joe Sobran to contemplate. Perhaps we may remind them of Edmund=20 Burke's words: "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else=20 they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible=20 struggle." As all are regular Exegesis readers, we shall await=20 developments with great interest and prayerful patience. =87 Steve=20 Myers =D7 Editor ____________________________________________________________________ Thank you so much for your kind prayers and letters of condolence=20 following the death of my mother on August 19th. She had been ill=20 for a while, but it all happened quite suddenly. The phone call=20 everyone dreads came at 4:45 am, and a few hours later, I was on my=20 way to London. We were never to meet again, but the last few=20 occasions we were together were all happy times, and I will fondly=20 remember those last meetings. Our final telephone conversation, about a week before she died,=20 summarized the last twenty years. "It's not your religious beliefs I=20 object to, it's the way you express them," she said. I replied that,=20 though I loved and respected her immensely, nothing was going to=20 change. I would not compromise the Gospel. So she died, still angry=20 and still defiant against God, as are many Jewish people. All I can=20 do is entrust her to His loving care and tender mercy. =87 SM ____________________________________________________________________ Have you read our daily online newspaper? Every day, we scan the world's finest news sources and produce a=20 daily online newspaper just for you. We update it as events dictate. PAGE 1 NEWS Real News from the Real World http://www.sm.org/news or http://www.page1news.com ____________________________________________________________________ ExTel The lowest ever long-distance rates! See our expanded range of=20 wholesale services! 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Your own toll-free=20 number for just 5.9=A2 a minute - and no monthly fees!=20 http://unitelagent.com/?sm.org Opex (formerly PremierCom): 7.5 cents a minute anywhere in the US,=20 super-discounted international and instate rates. 6 second billing,=20 no monthly fees! http://ld.net/7.5/sm.org AccuLinq Calling Cards at 9.9 cents a minute - http://ld.net/linq/?sm.org See all our services at http://www.sm.org _________________________________________________ =A9 Exegesis 1999 Post Office Box 789, McLean, Virginia 22101, USA Subscriptions: Fax $32.95, E-Mail $16.95 * E-Mail exegesis@sm.org To subscribe or unsubscribe please visit our web page at http://www.sm.org/exegesis/subscribe.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] [ HELP RON PAUL..] (fwd) Date: 16 Sep 1999 10:06:22 PST On Sep 16, D. D. wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Rick ;-)> Reply-To: militia@montana.com Organization: Militia of Montana Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:35:02 -0700 From: "MCAC" To: "Anthony Wayne" Forward to all: HELP RON PAUL <--Letter from Rep. Ron Paul !! Subj: HELP RON PAUL <--Letter from Rep. Ron Paul !! Congressman Ron Paul House of Representatives 203 Cannon Washington D.C. 20515 Dear Friend: The other day, I made a huge "gaffe" on national TV: I told the truth about the crimes of the U.S. government. As you can imagine, the ceiling fell in, and a couple of walls too. Congressmen are supposed to support the government, I was told. Oh, it's okay to criticize around the edges, but there are certain subjects a member of the House of Representatives is not supposed to bring up. But I touched the real "third-rail" of American politics, and the sparks sure flew. I was interviewed on C-SPAN's morning "Washington Journal," and I used the opportunity, as I do all such media appearances, to point out how many of our liberties have been stolen by the federal government. We must take them back. The Constitution, after all, has a VERY limited role for Washington, D.C. If we stuck to the Constitution as written, we would have: no federal meddling in our schools; no Federal Reserve; no U.S. membership in the UN; no gun control; and no foreign aid. We would have no welfare for big corporations, or the "poor"; no American troops in 100 foreign countries; no NAFTA, GATT, or "fast-track"; no arrogant federal judges usurping states rights; no attacks on private property; and no income tax. We could get rid of most of the cabinet departments, most of the agencies, and most of the budget. The government would be small, frugal, and limited. That system is called liberty. It's what the Founding Fathers gave us. Under liberty, we built the greatest, freest, most prosperous, most decent country on earth. It's no coincidence that the monstrous growth of the federal government has been accompanied by a sickening decline in living standards and moral standards. The feds want us to be hamsters on a treadmill -- working hard, all day long, to pay high taxes, but otherwise entirely docile and controlled. The huge, expensive, and out-of-control leviathan that we call the federal government wants to run every single aspect of our lives. Well, I'm sorry, but that's not America. It's not what the Founders gave us. It's not the country you believe in. It's not the country I believe in. So, on that TV interview, I emphasized not only the attacks on our property, but also the decline of our civil liberties, at the hands of the federal police. There are not supposed to be ANY federal police, according to the Constitution. Then I really went over the line. I talked about the Waco massacre.Bill Clinton and Janet Reno claim those 81 church members, including 19 children, burned down their own church and killed themselves, and good riddance. So they put the few survivors on trial, and threw them in prison for 40 years. We're not supposed to remember that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms -- talk about an unconstitutional agency -- rather than arrest David Koresh on his regular morning jog, called in the TV stations for a big publicity bonanza, and sent a swat team in black masks and black uniforms to break down his front door, guns blazing. They also sent in a helicopter gunship, to shoot at the roof of a church full of innocents. The Branch Davidians resisted, and after a heartless siege of almost two months, and after cutting off food, water, and electricity, and playing horrible rock and roll through huge speakers 24 hours a day, the feds sent in the tanks to crush the walls of the church, and inject poisonous CS gas. Now, CS gas is banned under the Paris Convention on Chemical Warfare. The U.S. could not use it in a war. But it could and did use it against American civilians. After the tanks did their work on the church, the place burst into flame, and all 81 people -- men, women, children, and babies--were incinerated in a screaming horror. Did some feds set the fire? Did the flammable CS gas ignite, since without electricity, the parishioners were using lanterns? Did a tank knock over a lantern, striking one of the bales of hay being used against the thin walls as a "defense" against bullets? or did the Davidians, as Clinton and Reno claim, kill themselves? A new documentary -- Waco: The Rules of Engagement -- may show, through FLIR infrared photography, FBI snipers killing the Davidians by shooting through the back of the church, where no media cameras were allowed. This film won a prize at the famed Sundance Film Festival. It was made by people who took the government's side, until they investigated. Whatever the truth, there's no question that an irresponsible federal government has innocent blood on its hands, and not only from Waco. And the refusal of corrupt and perverse liberals to admit it means nothing. In my TV interview, in answer to a caller's question, I pointed out that Waco, and the federal murders at Ruby Ridge -- especially the FBI sniper's shot that blasted apart the head of a young mother holding her baby -- caused many Americans to live in fear of federal power. Then I uttered the sentiment that caused the media hysteria: I said that a lot of Americans fear that they too might be attacked by federal swat teams for exercising their constitutional rights, or merely for wanting to be left alone. Whoa! You've never seen anything like it. For days, in an all-out assault, I was attacked by Democrats, unions, big business, establishment Republicans, and -- of course -- the media, in Washington and my home state of Texas. Newspapers foamed at the mouth, calling me a "right-wing extremist." (Say, isn't that what George III called Thomas Jefferson?) I was even blamed for the Oklahoma City bombing! And by the way, I don't believe we've gotten the full truth on that either. All my many opponents were outraged that a Congressman would criticize big government. "If you don't like Washington, resign!" said a typical big-city newspaper editorial. But the media, as usual, were all wet. (Do they ever get ANYTHING right?) The average Congressman may go to Washington to wallow in power, and line his pockets with a big lobbying job for a special interest (so he can keep ripping-off the taxpayers). But that's not why I'm in Congress. It's not why I left my medical practice as a physician. It's not why I put up with all the abuse. It's not why I refuse a plush Congressional pension. I'm in this fight for a reason. I want to hand on to my children and grandchildren, and to you and your family, a great and free America, an America true to her Constitution, an America worthy of her history. I will not let the crooks and clowns and criminals have their way. I'm in Congress to represent the ideas of liberty, the ideas that you and I share, for the people of my district, for the people of Texas, for the people of America. That's why I'm working to stop federal abuses, and to cut the government: its taxes, its bureaucrats, its paramilitary police, its spending, its meddling overseas, and every single unconstitutional action it takes. And not with a pair of nail scissors, but with a hammer and chisel. Won't you help me do this work? Not much of the federal leviathan would be left, if I had my way. But you'd be able to keep the money you earn, your privacy would be secure, your dollar would be sound, your local school would be tops, and your kids wouldn't be sent off to some useless or vicious foreign war to fight for the UN. But Jefferson and the other Founders would recognize our government, and our descendants would bless us. By the way, when I say cut taxes, I don't mean fiddle with the code. I mean abolish the income tax and the IRS, and replace them with NOTHING. Recently, I asked a famous Republican committee chairman -- who's always talking about getting rid of the IRS -- why he engineered a secret $580 million raise for the tax collectors. "They need it for their computers," this guy told me. So the IRS can't extract enough from us as it is! The National Taxpayers Union says I have the highest pro-taxpayer rating in Congressional history, that I am the top "Taxpayer's Best Friend." You know I won't play the Capitol Hill games with the Capitol Hill gang, denouncing the IRS while giving the gestapo more of your money. or figuring out some other federal tax for them to squeeze out of you. I also want to abolish the Federal Reserve, and send Alan Greenspan out to get a job. The value of our dollar and the level of our interest rates are not supposed to be manipulated by a few members of the power elite meeting secretly in a marble palace. The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional, pure and simple. The only Constitutional money is gold and silver, and notes redeemable in them. Not Fed funny money. Without the Federal Reserve, our money could not be inflated, at the behest of big government or big banks. Your income and savings would not lose their value. Just as important, we wouldn't have this endless string of booms and busts, recessions and depressions, with each bust getting worse. They aren't natural to the free market; they're caused by the schemers at the Fed. President Andrew Jackson called the 19th-century Fed "The Monster" because it was a vehicle for inflation and all sorts of special-interest corruption. Let me tell you, things haven't changed a bit. I also work to save our schools from D.C. interference. Thanks to the feds, new curriculums not only smear the Founders as "racist, slave-owning elitists," they seek to dumb down our students so they will all be equal. "Look-say" reading and the abolition of phonics has the same purpose, and so does the new "fuzzy" math, in which there are no right and no wrong answers. That must be what they use in the U.S. Treasury! It's certainly what they use in the U.S. Congress. But ever since the beginning of federal aid to education and accelerating with the establishment of the rotten Department of Education, SAT scores have been dropping. Schools, with few exceptions, are getting worse every year. To save our kids, we must get the sticky fingers of the feds off our local schools, and let parents rule. That's what the Constitution says, and the Bible too. And then there's my least favorite foreign topic, the UN. World government is obviously unconstitutional. It undermines our country's sovereignty in the worst way possible. That's why I want us out of the UN, and the UN itself taking a hike. After all, the UN is socialist and corrupt (many votes can be bought with a "blonde and a case of scotch," one UN ambassador once said). It costs many billions, and it puts our soldiers in UN uniforms under foreign commanders, and sends them off to unconstitutional, undeclared wars. When Michael New, one of the finest young men I've ever met, objected to wearing UN blue, he was kicked out of the American Army. What an outrage. Not one dime for the UN, and not one American soldier! Not in Haiti, not in Bosnia, not in Somalia, not in Rwanda. I know it's radical, but how about devoting American military efforts to defending America, and only America? Such ideas, said one newspaper reporter, make me a "maverick who will never go far because he won't 'go along to get along.'" Darn right.What does "go far" mean? Get a big government job? The heck with that. And I won't sell my vote for pork either. When I walked through the U.S. Capitol this morning, I got angry. The building is filled with statues and paintings of Jefferson, Madison, and the other Founders. Those great men sacrificed everything to give us a free country, and a Constitution to keep it that way. When I was first elected, I placed my hand on the Bible and swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. That's exactly what I'm fighting for. But such ideas drive the liberals crazy. That's why I badly need your help. I've been targeted nationally for defeat. The Democrats, the AFL-CIO, the teachers union, big business PACs, the trial lawyers, the big bankers, the foreign-aid .lobbyists, the big media, and the establishment Republicans want to dance on my political grave. The Fed, the Education Department, and the UN are anxious to join in. They can't stand even one person telling the truth. And they're terrified when that truth gains the people's support. Right now, four well-funded Democrats are competing to try to beat me, and a Republican is rumored to have been offered money at a secret meeting in Mexico(!) if he would try to knock me off in a primary. Won't you help me stay up here to fight? Frankly, I'm in trouble if you don't. My Texas district has 22,000 square miles (not a misprint). I've got to travel all over it, set up small offices to be manned by volunteers, advertise, pay phone bills, and distribute video and audio tapes to the people to get around the big-media lies. As I know from my last election, which I won by the skin of my teeth, the media will carry any smear, repeat any libel, throw any piece of mud, no matter how untrue. In fact, the less true, the more they like it. They are determined to silence me. But you can help me overcome all this. Together, we can beat the bad guys arrayed against our country and our freedom. We can support the Constitution. We CAN win. Your generous contribution of $25 or $50 would be great. $100, $250, or even $500 or $1,000 would be magnificent. Of course, any amount would help, and in return, I will keep you up-to-date on this fight as a member of my "kitchen cabinet." What great men founded this country. What great people have carried on their fight. That fight is not lost, not if you will join it. Washington, D.C., is a loser, but among the people, our ideas are gaining EVERY SINGLE DAY. Keep the tide turning in our direction. Please make your most generous contribution. Join this fight for the Constitution, and stop those who want to rip it up, and throw it in the Potomac. Together, we can join the Founders, fight. Together, we can make history. Sincerely, Ron P.S.: Without you, I may be lost, and they'll be breaking out the champagne in D.C. PLEASE, DON'T LET THIS FIGHT FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND LIBERTY FALTER. HELP ME WIN IT. -- Join the Militia of Montana Email Alert List by writing to: militia@montana.com with SUBSCRIBE in the Subject Line! M.O.M. Archived posts at: http://www.montana.com/militiaofmontana Visit our web site at: http://www.montana.com/militiaofmontana to stay informed with the latest news on the topics of MARTIAL LAW; UN TROOPS; GUN LEGISLATION; UNAMERICAN ACTIVITIES, plus much more. Visit our Patriot Calendar of Events at: http://www.montana.com/militiaofmontana/calendar.htm to stay abreast of all the great meetings, conferences and expos that are held nation-wide. Check out your state listing. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] S L I C K Fwd: Runaway Judges (fwd) Date: 16 Sep 1999 21:30:10 PST It should be noted that Judges can be Impeached..... On Sep 16, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Subj: Judicial Despotism BCC: RichSlick On Judicial Despotism by Sen. John Ashcroft Sen. Ashcroft, Chairman of Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution, "On Judicial Despotism" Courting Disaster: Judicial Despotism in the Age of Russell Clark CPAC Annual Meeting March 6, 1997 Senator John Ashcroft, Chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution, offers a sober analysis in a speech given in March to on America's need to curb the activities of judges who legislate from the Bench. Thank you, Bill Pascoe, for that warm introduction. And, David (Keene) thank you for all that you and the American Conservative Union have done for movement politics. Let me begin by welcoming you to Washington. I want to welcome you not just in terms of hospitality, but also in terms of what you represent, and the values that you bring: the values of industry and commerce; integrity and faith; love of family and of country. And, perhaps most of all, a recognition that America's best days lie ahead. All too often, the Congress thinks there is no end to the good they can do with your money and their brains It is time for us to put an end to this misguided belief. The Founding Father's vision was for a constitutional republic where the will of the people would be imposed on Washington, not the views of Washington imposed on the people. So, for those of us who toil under the dark cloud of this capital city, your presence here this morning is an inspiration. Part ofthe mythology surrounding our Constitution is the idea that its adoption was inevitable. Time and distance have made it difficult to imagine that the wisdom and insight that is our founding document could have been tossed on the ash heap of history. Our forefathers, however, suffered no such delusions. They understood that the ratification debate was about first things, fundamental principles, ideas purchased with patriots' blood. Alexander Hamilton predicted that a "torrent of angry and malignant passions" would be awakened by the debate. He was not disappointed. In Virginia, Patrick Henry decried the new Constitution, calling it a "resolution as radical as that which separated us from [the Crown]." In New England, opponents worried aloud about liberties lost, rights eroded, judicial power left like, quote, "a boundless ocean." But Hamilton and his allies would not yield to these sharply expressed fears of judicial despotism. Rejecting such concerns, Hamilton offered his now famous phrase, "Here, Sir, the people govern." But "here" in America today, can it still be said that "the people govern"? Can it still be said that citizens control that which matters most? Or have people's lives and fortunes been relinquished to renegadejudges, a robed, contemptuous intellectual elite fulfilling Patrick Henry's prophecy, that of turning the courts into, quote, "nurser[ies] of vice and the bane of liberty"? Consider just how far the federal judiciary has strayed. In 1987, the federal courts assumed the right to tax the American people. District Judge Russell Clark ordered a tax increase to "remedy vestiges of segregation" in the Kansas City, Missouri school system. The decree -- and two billion tax dollars -- turned the city's school district into a gold-plated Taj Mahal complete with editing and animation labs, vivariums and greenhouses, temperature-controlled art galleries, and a model UN wired for language translation. While satiating the judge's thirst for educational intermeddling, the reforms left student achievement unchanged. And so today, the planetariums, pools, and pay increases stand only as a testament to tyranny, an appalling judicial activism that is contrary to all that the Framers held dear. As Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas indignantly opined, "[Clark] has trampled upon the principles of federalism" and in turn the Constitution itself. Or, consider 1992 when the court challenged God's ability to mark when life begins and ends. Three Reagan appointees joined the majority in Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey to uphold a "woman's right to choose." So much for recapturing the Court. Together, Roe, Casey and their illegitimate progeny have occasioned the slaughter of thirty-five million children, thirty-five million innocents denied standing before the law. My friends, when the Court intervenes in such matters, debate in the public square does not end. The divide only deepens. Who among us would suggest that abortion is less divisive today than when the Court wrested control from the fifty states and the people? As Judge Bork asserts, the abortion rulings represent "nothing more than the decision of a Court majority to enlist on one side of the culture war. In 1995, the Supreme Court stole the right of self-determination from the people, throwing out Arkansas' congressional term limit law. No matter your thinking on term limits, consider only this: the Constitution is "silent" on limited tenure. And, as Justice Thomas recognized, "where the Constitution is silent it raises no bar to action by the states or the people. In recalling the term limits decision, I am always reminded of Ed Jaksha, a retired telephone company manager. Jaksha canvassed the state of Nebraska -- in authentic colonial garb -- imploring voters to Turnout for Term Limits. A year later, Jaksha's time and treasure were deemed ill-spent by five ruffians in robes who were kind enough to save him from himself. In 1996, the courts removed from the people the ability to establish equality under the law. District Court Judge Thelton Henderson prohibited the state of California from implementing Prop. 209. A Carter appointee who served on the ACLUs Board of Directors, Henderson held that if the California Civil Rights Initiative (CCRT) were implemented, minorities would "face an immediate possibility of irreparable harm." But, Judge Henderson, what of the "irreparable harm" racial preference programs are inflicting right now? What of the Asian high school students routinely rejected at Berkeley based solely on the color of their skin? And, what of the "irreparable harm" activist judges have visited upon the U.S. Constitution? Perhaps someone should remind Judge Henderson that the constituting doctrine of all truly free societies is that rights belong to individuals, not groups. This was the essence of Justice Harlan's dissent in Plessy v. Ferguson just over a century ago. "The Constitution is color-blind," wrote Harlan, "and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens." Tragically, the courts have turned your individual rights into group rights as the aggrieved rush to our least representative branch in search of entitlement. These cases are but a page of snapshots in an album of the liberties lost. Over the last half century, the federal courts have usurped from school boards the power to determine what a child can learn; removed from the people the ability to establish equality under the law; and challenged God's ability to mark when life begins and ends. The courts have made liars of Hamilton, Madison, and Morris, confirming our forefathers' worst fears. For what the Framers intended to be the weakest branch of government, the judiciary, has become the most powerful. What, then, can we do to put an end to judicial tyranny? We can begin by asking ourselves why modern judicial activism exists in the first place. Could it be that we have been lax in demanding that judges place our constitutional rights before their policy objectives? Could it be we have failed to rejectjudges who are willing to place their private preferences above the people's will? Could it be that we have populated the courts with judges who believe their intellect to be superior to that of the Framers? Could it be all of the above? It is time to heed the counsel of Ed Meese by scrutinizing fully the nominees who come before the Senate for "advice and consent." Meese is right: there must be a dialogue between the President and the Senate regardingjudicial nominees. And, if the White House fails to solicit our "advice," perhaps we should withhold our "consent." What of the current crop of would-be judges? Consider William Fletcher nominated by the President to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. What has Mr. Fletcher done with himself since his Rhodes Scholar days with the President? Tenure at Berkeley's Boalt Hall School of Law has provided Fletcher a forum to outline a judicial vision as bold as it is misguided. It seems Mr. Fletcher feels judges should be able to use what he calls "discretionary" powers to achieve desired policy goals. In other words, Mr. Fletcher wants to use a court appointment as a license to legislate. Americans have always believed efforts by the judiciary to legislate from the bench are illegitimate. To which Fletcher responds, "The presumption of illegitimacy may be overcome when the political bodies that should ordinarily exercise such discretion are seriously and chronically in default." Judge Russell Clark, meet "Willy" Fletcher; you two are sure to be fast friends. Frankly, the only thing "seriously and chronically in default," Mr. Fletcher, is your thinking on the United States Constitution. And then there is Margaret McKeown, another nominee for the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. It was McKeown, her ACLU marching orders in hand, who led the fight to disallow a Washington state ballot initiative denying special rights to homosexuals. Now, if McKeown's opposition had been confined to lobbying against the measure, so be it. That is her constitutionally protected right. But her efforts were far more sinister. She attempted to keep Washington voters from deciding on the measure at all. McKeown argued that the initiative process itselfwas unconstitutional and represented an "immediate and irreparable harm." The mere act of collecting signatures, it seems, would cause suffering, suicides, and substance abuse. Please! It's time to expose Mrs. McKeown and her ACLU friends for the liberal elitists that they are. Let me be clear: this is not about personality, it's not about ideology. It's about preserving our rights as they were indelibly inscribed in the Constitution. It is about not wanting more Russell Clarks on the federal bench. It is about a judicial legacy forged by the President and the Senate that will live well beyond the year 2000. We need nominees who care more about preserving and restoring the Constitution than running schools, parks, and prisons; more about the ACU than the ACLU. That is the essence of the pledge that my friend Paul Weyrich is circulating in the Senate. Paul's pledge simply and clearly offers the words of Senate Judiciary Chairman Orrin Hatch. It says, "Those nominees who are or will be judicial activists should not be nominated by the President or confirmed by the Senate, and I personally will do my best to see to it that they are not. What a tragic state of affairs when conservatives feel compelled to circulate a pledge to safeguard a constitution that every Senator was sworn to "preserve, protect, and defend." Nonetheless, let me talk to this issue, speaking for no individual save myself. When I laid my hand on the Bible to take the Oath ofOffice, I made my pledge to our Constitution. And as long as I have a voice and a vote in the U.S. Senate, I will fight the judicial despotism that stands like a behemoth over this great land. At its best, the Court is the guardian of the Constitution, a body to which all Americans look for the ultimate protection of their rights. At its worst, it is home to a "let-them-eat-cake elite" who hold the people in the deepest disdain. By guiding the judicial selection process, we can begin to reestablish the constitutional balance envisioned by the Framers. It is also time for us to take a broader, comprehensive look at the alarming increase in activism on the Court. As Chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution, I intend to convene hearings in the months ahead to examine this disturbing trend. Americans should not sit idly by as our individual rights are surrendered. We should enlist the American people in an effort to rein in an out-of-control Court. Our forefathers who warned of judicial power left like "a boundless ocean" were right. A half-century of unbridled judicial activism has made that danger clear to all but the intentionally ignorant. Experience is both the best and most expensive teacher. So, now that the costly lesson has been learned, "why stand we here idle" while the precious jewel of liberty is lost? Let us lend our voice to this cause. So that one day, in the not so distant future, we might once again say, "Here, Sir, the people govern." Thank you very much. ... the harsh truth is that... we may well be on our way to a society, overrun by hordes of lawyers, hungry as locusts, and brigades of judges in numbers never before contemplated. - Chief Justice of the United States Warren Burger ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY DON'T VOTE FOR LAWYERS! 250 FREE HOURS on AOL! So easy to use, no wonder its #1 Click here NOW! for 250 Free HOURS http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/913 To subscribe to the Slick e-zine, send e-mail to RichSlick@aol.com for details. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Tangential attack on Brady? (fwd) Date: 16 Sep 1999 22:51:09 PST On Sep 16, Don Cline wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Goodyear, Arizona (near Phoenix) When my employer handed around the government form requiring employees to prove they have a right to work in this country, I looked it over, noted that according to the Privacy Act Notice thereon their request for that information was "authorized" by (some U.S. Title Code Section). I went and read the cited U.S. Title Code Section. Then I wrote a letter to the Immigration & Naturalization Service pointing out that the section cited did nothing but make an illegal alien "illegal". In other words, it does not authorize a damned thing with regard to invasions of my privacy. I therefore informed the Immigration & Naturalization Service, cc'd to the Border Patrol, that if they thought I was an illegal alien, they should come out here and place me under arrest. Failing probable cause to do that, they should mind their own business and stop trying to intimidate me and others into waiving our right to privacy. I sent copies of the letter to the INS and the Border Patrol by snail mail and by e-mail. I stapled the letter original to the not-completed government form, handed it back to my employer, and told him to file it and be sure and provide government with it if they came calling. Strange ... I STILL haven't heard from government. At 08:10 PM 9/15/99 -0500, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >More power to them! I'm getting d*mn tired of proving I'm an >American citizen every time some conglomerate buys out my company. >M( >_________________________ >Still trying to figure out when it's >safe to go to sleep, >This is your old pal, >Jim >- -----Original Message----- >From: C. D. Tavares >To: Firearms and Politics >Cc: Mass. Firearms List >Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 7:25 PM >Subject: Tangential attack on Brady? > > >>Excerpted from the January LP News (yes, I'm catching up on my >>mail): >> >>Libertarian attorney Walker Chandler intends to file suit against >>the provisions of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 >>that require Americans to show identification and proof of >>citizenship before getting a job. >> >>The Libertarian Party is serving as the "employer entity" in whose >>name the suit will be filed. The LP is required to follow IRCA and >>faces criminal charges for noncompliance, giving it legal standing. >> >>The employment verification fails constitutional muster, said >>Chandler, because it "presupposes one's guilt" if a potential >>employee doesn't fill out a government form. "The main >>constitutional infirmity of IRCA is that it places the burden of >>proof on the employee." >> >>"If this case is successful, the exact same reasoning will be >>applied to the Brady Bill. There, Congress declared that every gun >>purchaser who doesn't fill out the Brady form is guilty of >>violating the Gun Control Act of 1968," he said. >> >>Chandler shot to national prominence in 1997 when he won a Supreme >>Court case that overturned (8-1) a Georgia state law mandating drug >>tests for political candidates. >>-- >> >>Tavares@alum.mit.edu | http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares | >>RKBA! > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.1 for non-commercial use > >iQA/AwUBN+BDcAZDFUc8Ys93EQL1OwCdFIZb2DjEuPGCELLT1AVo9ZlHDr4An0+P >TwsiMwTzI4RlgOYcONLcLDtL >=NC+3 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Don Cline Homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~frdmftr The Right to Keep and Bear Arms brought about The Parliamentary Revolution The Magna Carta The American Revolution The world's first and only nation of liberty. Without it you are naught but a feudal serf. EXERCISE your Right to Keep and Bear Arms or KNEEL BEFORE YOUR MASTER. RKBA! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: History of Bill of Rights now online (fwd) Date: 17 Sep 1999 16:34:18 PST On Sep 17, Rae Starr wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy cc: starr@rand.org Occasionally, issues of Constitutional original intent have arisen here. The following website might be relevant to some here as primary source data on the legislative history of the Bill of Rights in the U.S. (To the extent that you trust the transcriber.) Some other noteworthy features linked at the site: http://www.constitution.org/bor/sources.htm, It appears that bold items are provisions that passed as worded, and non-bold items are provisions that failed as worded. For example, the right to keep and bear arms passed, as worded; but the right to hunt and fish failed, as worded. http://www.constitution.org/afp.htm Text of some of the Anti-Federalist Papers (Federal Farmer, etc.). http://www.constitution.org/elliot.htm Table of Contents to Elliot's Debates, including an index of names: one source for identifying framers were who ratified the Federal Constitution in certain states. http://www.constitution.org/dfc/dfc_0000.htm Text of Madison's notes of the debates in the federal Convention. http://www.shsw.wisc.edu/publications/books/ratification_constitution.html Encyclopedic: "The Documentary History of the Ratification of the Constitution." (Alas, only a reference to a hardcopy, purchased series. But another possible source of framer material at the state level.) Side note: one source dates the adoption of the Bill of Rights to the Constitution on Dec. 15, 1791. Rae Starr - ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: Message-ID: Reply-To: Free Speech Discussion Sender: Free Speech Discussion Content-Length: 1857 Thought this site might be of interest to some on the list. And Happy Constitution Day! Regards to the former Fourth Amendment as well. Stephen Smith University of Arkansas - - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- On this Constitution Day, commemorating the completion of the work of the Federal Convention in Philadelphia in 1787, and the proposal of the Constitution to the States for ratification, we announce the online publication of the Documentary History of the Bill of Rights, which traces the evolution of the Bill of Rights, from the English Bill of Rights, through state bills of rights, through the amendments proposed by the state ratification conventions, through the versions of the bill of rights as they passed from James Madison, through the Select Committee, to each house of Congress. to the final version that was adopted by Congress and proposed to the States for ratification. It is at http://www.constitution.org/dhbr.htm By collecting all these documents together on one web site with a chart tracing the elements of various bills of rights proposals through the development and ratification process, the student will have a convenient way to examine how each clause of our present Bill of Rights came into be worded the way it is, and which provisions were not adopted, mainly because they were thought to be obvious or unnecessary. - - --Jon =================================================================== Constitution Society, 1731 Howe Av #370, Sacramento, CA 95825 916/568-1022, 916/450-7941VM Date: 09/17/99 Time: 05:02:19 http://www.constitution.org/ mailto:jon.roland@constitution.org =================================================================== - ------- End of Forwarded Message [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [2ndamendmentnews] Anti-Gun Hysteria, Go on the Offensive Part 2 (fwd) Date: 18 Sep 1999 09:39:46 PST On Sep 18, Weldon Clark wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] By Russ Howard - For me, deja vu is a good way to describe the climate since the Columbine massacre. After the 1989 Stockton schoolyard massacre, many firearms rights activists were horrified to see that NRA and the gun industry - to the extent that they were not missing in action - were engaged in active appeasement and pre-emptive surrender. Bill Ruger, for example - now an official NRA "hero" =96 proposed magazine size limits and cut special deals to get his "sporting" guns exempted from the Roos-Roberti "assault weapon" ban. 2nd Amendment supporters had to endure the TV spectacle of NRA's lobbyist testifying that NRA couldn't support the ban because it included too many "legitimate sporting and hunting guns." The anti-gunners heard him, reduced their opposition by removing some guns from the ban, and passed it by one vote. Chess anyone? Given the JFK, RFK, & MLK assassinations, the Texas Tower shootings, the McDonalds Massacre, etc., pro-freedom activists have known for decades that the anti-self-defense crowd intended to use high-profile gun crimes as pretenses to gradually disarm all decent citizens in America. As an NRA member since 1979, I was astonished that NRA - an organization that raises and spends 150 million dollars a year - seemed so unprepared, defensive, and even apologetic after such crimes. They acted as if each massacre was unique, as if there would never be another one. At best, the people who were so handsomely paid to be our best professional public speakers were like deer in the headlights, as if no good arguments had ever been written against gun control. Why couldn't they be prepared? Into that vacuum in 1989, dozens of grassroots groups sprang up nationwide. I was involved in one of them, Californians Against Corruption, the goal of which was to oust one-by-one the politicians who violated their oath to defend the Constitution and passed laws that left victims disarmed and vulnerable to crime and mass public shootings. CAC ended the political careers of both Roos and Roberti, and the "pain" message dried up California's anti-gun torrent for several years. Ultimately I was nominated to run for the Board of Directors of the NRA, on which I served for over two years with the goal of doing my part to help reform NRA and build up grassroots. Reform proposals were fought tooth & nail by staff and either killed or "implemented" in a such a way as to guarantee their failure. For example, I developed a modest board policy resolution to put an end to NRA's "thing" for giving "A" ratings and awards to anti-gun politicians. Even though NRA would still have been able to give them B ratings, money, and endorsements, NRA's "Winning Team" fought the reform as if it would've been the end of the world. It would not have been the end of the world, but it would've been the end of the gravy train for sellout Republicans who didn't want to ever have to take a stand and earn their grades. Staff, as usual, revealed contempt for membership, arguing that if NRA couldn't give phony grades, members were too unsophisticated to volunteer for lesser-of-two-evil Republicans. As other reform-minded directors discovered, and as many of you now know, NRA's ruling junta has no intention to allow itself to be reformed. The reformers were purged in an illegal coup d'etat lead by staff; by self-dealing, Feather bedding directors; by "moderate" country club & Hollywood sport shooters; by Republican Party operatives; and by the vendors who make millions of dollars a year bleeding the membership white. Local "activists" who had cozied up to NRA staff were put up to lying about reform-minded NRA board members in a smear campaign through the national "conservative" media. In at least one case one of the smearers, known in activist circles as a "thug", was immediately hired by NRA as an apparent reward for his dirty work. One of the much-vaunted changes that staff did supposedly accept was a quick response team that would be prepared to deal with situations like Columbine. Well, here we are 10 years after Stockton. "Going Postal" has entered the lexicon, and massacres have gone from a once-a-decade tragedy to annual, quarterly, weekly. Yet NRA and the gun industry are still, seemingly, unable or unwilling to deal with it. If the "Quick Response" to Columbine had been any better it would've been pathetic. Rather than taking the offensive and explaining how gun control facilitates public shootings, the annual meeting was curtailed as if we had something to be ashamed of. Worse yet, Charlton Heston and Wayne LaPierre both issued high-profile public endorsements of gun control, including the very same unconstitutional "gun free" school zones laws that help enable such massacres. LaPierre also reiterated his support for instacheck, effectively gun owner registration, flouting standing board policy that requires him to look for an alternative that doesn't involve trusting the Waco Killers not to keep the records illegally. And, of course, he again endorsed "Project Exile," the anti-gunners' dream come true of a Federal Gun Gulag System. NRA's lobbyist, Steve Helsley, said that California's latest landmark gun confiscation bills "weren't serious gun control" and we shouldn't bother fighting them. With exceptions, the gun rights community seems at best stuck in perpetual defensive mode. The anti-gunners - the very people whose anti-self-defense policies, media & video game violence, and permissive parenting theories facilitate massacres like Columbine - are allowed to accuse us of being responsible for them. Suppose you knew a man was planning to murder people and frame you for the crime. Would you go to the police first and accuse him of murder? Or would you let him go to the police first? Would you content yourself with trying to prove that you didn't do it? Or would you finally accuse him of murder and prove it? Would you let him frame you over and over and over again, defending yourself but never accusing? Or would you finally wake up, start going to the police first, warning them, and saying, "I told you so" after each murder? If you answered no, yes, yes, no, yes, no, then You're The NRA. Whatever the reason, NRA effectively functions as a sterile bee queen, leading the hive into oblivion. Millions of gun owners trust and look to NRA for policy guidance, giving NRA the power to gradually redefine what it means to be pro-gun, and which gun controls are "reasonable" and tolerable. If Wayne LaPierre and Charlton Heston say we need to help build the new American police state, most gun owners will learn to accept it. So what do we do? I for one will not donate to NRA until the entire current Board and top Staff is ousted and fired respectively. But what about in the meantime? Join and support other organizations that aren't selling us out. For example, I recently rejoined JPFO. Once again, as in 1989, new groups are being formed to fill the vacuum. As before, a common theme of these startups is not only preparedness, but also preparedness to go on the offensive. There are many advantages to being on the offensive. One is that it puts OUR assertions, facts, and allegations under discussion, as opposed to the enemy's: Make the enemies of freedom refute OUR accusations for a change. One of these new groups is called Citizens of America. A couple of weeks ago I attended a small presentation for Citizens of America, founded largely by leaders of the Lawyers Second Amendment Society along with a seasoned, successful, creative, pro-gun advertising writer named Jim Houck. Houck was the one who came up with a highly successful guerrilla ad campaign, which had gun activists chalking outlines of crime scene bodies on sidewalks. Inside the body is chalked "another unarmed victim" with a phone number to join or donate. COA's goal is to do hard-hitting, below-the-belt radio, TV, and guerrilla advertising designed to make people think twice about giving up their right to effective self-defense; to associate gun control with racism, genocide, and victimization; and to make supporting gun control as socially unacceptable as joining the Ku Klux Klan. From what I've seen of the ads that've already been developed, it will work, and may very likely be quickly self-funding. But it's going to need some serious seed money to get off the ground. Do yourself a favor and send them a check, even if it's only $5 or $10. I'm sending in $100 now, but I'm also issuing a "100-squared match" to raise $10,000: When 99 people on this list e-mail me back with a pledge to send in $100, I'll forward the e-mails to COA and send in another $100 too. My e-mail address is russ.howard@usa.net COA's address is: PMB 447 2118 WILSHIRE BLVD. SANTA MONICA, CA 90403 Please give generously. Russ Howard P.S. Please note that the opinions expressed above are my own and do not reflect the views of COA. I'm including an e- mail from COA below. *********************** Citizens of America "We're In Charge" Dear armed Americans, Advertising Creative Director, Jim Houck, working with the Lawyers Second Amendment Society (LSAS, www.rightguide.com/Links/lsas.htm), has formed a non-profit corporation for the sole purpose of giving all American firearms owners, big and small, a way to strike back and strike back hard against the Rights Killers. After repeated attempts to work with NRA and GOA, Mr. Houck made the decision, along with the LSAS, to form an elite commando-style organization in order to bypass bureaucracy and time-consuming political red tape and get into the fight. The NRA and GOA have a role in this fight and are doing all they can and are to be credited with such. But there is an overwhelming need for an operational group which can strike fast, strike hard and strike without fear of political reprisal. This is such a group. Every dollar received will go into extremely aggressive advertising, TV, print, radio, outdoor and guerilla, with a single purpose, to destroy those who are tampering with 2nd Amendment freedom. This campaign will not be apologetic, it will not play fair, it will hit below the belt whenever the opportunity presents itself, it will not take prisoners. In short, it will be very aggressive and very effective. There are some people out there who would like to get into the fight, but for career reasons or political reasons cannot. Here is your chance. There are many who would like to get into the fight, but have no way of doing so. Now you can take a swing directly at the teeth of people like Chuck Schumer, impeached-President Bill Clinton, Sarah Brady, you name it. The campaign will be created and managed by Creative Director, Jim Houck, a career advertising professional who has done work for bluechip clients like Toyota, DIESEL Jeans, Mitusibishi, Procter & Gamble, Sony, The Miami Heat Professional Basketball Team and Sunglass Hut International, to name a few. The company has been created by and will be managed by attorney Dan Schultz of the LSAS. Creative campaigns are in progress and will be operational as soon as a budget has been amassed and media buys can be made. Please make copies and forward to all concerned parties. Send your checks (NO CASH, WE'RE PLAYING BY THE BOOK AND EXPECT AUDITS AND CLAIMS OF THEFT FROM THE RIGHTS KILLERS) immediately... [Write your check to Citizens of America.] Going to war, Jim Houck Creative Director, Los Angeles sazebra@earthlink.net **************************** The 2ndAmendmentNews Team The way to protect your own rights is to protect the rights of others. Our right to own and use firearms is under attack. We receive e-mail addresses from various sources that represent the recipients as receptive to our timely, low-to- moderate volume gun-rights-related alerts (generally no more than weekly, never more than daily, depending on legislative and other circumstances). Occasionally recipients turn out to be not interested, and we remove them immediately with our sincere apology for any inconvenience. If you wish to be removed send an e mail to 2ndamendmentnews- owner@onelist.com and include "unsubscribe". If you know anyone who would appreciate these alerts, please let us know and we'll enroll them on a trial basis. Also, feel free to forward our alerts. If you've received this as a forward and wish to subscribe please send a reply to me at wh.clark@cwix.com or behanna@fast.net Cordially Yours, The 2ndAmendmentNews Team 2ndAmendmentNews is published by volunteer activists who support the full original individual rights intent of the 2nd Amendment and oppose any appeasement on gun rights. The moderators include Chris Behanna, Weldon Clark (an NRA director) and Steve Cicero. If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. -- Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- New!! Free E-mail @mail.com, @usa.com, @engineer.com and more! Mail.com makes it easy to set up a free, personalized e-mail address that you can access anytime and anywhere. http://www.onelist.com/ad/mailcom1 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [2ndamendmentnews] Legal Defenses Against Gun Confiscation Part 1 (fwd) Date: 18 Sep 1999 09:40:45 PST On Sep 18, Weldon Clark wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] We are offering methods besides writing your Congressman. You may want to save this as reference material. The following is applicable to California and other People's Republic states such as Connecticut, New Jersey, and Maryland. Coming will be other articles on the "how to" defend yourself against the tyranny that is coming: Running Campaigns, Unregistering Your Gun, and Effective Lobbying. Just Say, "Go Away." Rights are like muscles, you must exercise them or they gradually weaken. The following information is provided as a public service by The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society, Inc. Disclaimer: The following is not legal advice but is for informational purposes only. You should use your own judgment and/or consult an attorney before deciding what to do. August 20, 1999 The Attorney General of the State of California ("AG") is embarking on a massive effort to confiscate firearms (so-called "assault weapons") in the possession of United States citizens residing in the State of California. You may see evidence of this at http://www.sksbuyback.org. The Attorney General, Bill Lockyer, plans to have his agents attempt to trick the citizens into voluntarily handing over these firearms to them. Luckily for the citizens, they have protections from such trickery. You need to know how to assert your rights if you want to defeat this trickery, whether in this instance or in the future as the government becomes even more depraved as it tries to take away more and more of our inalienable rights. Following is some information about your rights that the government hopes you don't know. Our right to keep and bear arms is one of those inalienable rights "endowed by [our] Creator," as set forth in the Declaration of Independence. The GunTruths.com web site (http://www.GunTruths.com) provides ample evidence that our right to keep and bear arms is an inalienable, individual right retained by the people and protected and guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. We must use the Bill of Rights to preserve and protect our rights. We must not voluntarily cede our inalienable rights to the government. Inalienable rights, by their nature, cannot be given, or taken, away. The AG hopes that the good citizens residing in California will voluntarily cede their right to keep and bear arms. The government of California is embarking on a test of the citizens residing in California to see whether they will voluntarily turn in their SKS Sporters and register their "assault weapons." If the good citizens residing in California voluntarily turn in their SKS Sporters, and register these other weapons voluntarily, the AG will have achieved its goal at relatively little cost, and will have learned that even the gun- owning citizens are weak and ignorant of their rights. The ultimate goal of the current government of the State of California is to slowly, incrementally, confiscate all firearms of military pattern so that the citizens will no longer have the means to be the "well regulated militia, necessary to the security of a free State," referenced in the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. The AG hopes that the good citizens residing in California will not know, and assert, the rights their forefathers fought and died for. The AG hopes it will be able to intimidate the good people into voluntarily turning in, or registering, their weapons by threatening them with felony prosecutions, and jail sentences. These threats are being communicated on the internet, in letters to selected individuals and through advertisements on the radio and through other media. What The Government Hopes Won't Happen What if the good citizens did the following upon receiving a knock on their doors? The citizen calls through the door, "Who is it?" The reply is, "I'm police officer/deputy sheriff/special agent Smith." The citizen replies, "Go away. I'm not interested in spending any of my time talking to you. Get off my property." That should do it. The agent of the government might be a little more persistent, but if the good citizen understands, and asserts, his rights against the government, the above scenario is all that should happen. Why? Because no citizen is required to talk to anyone from the government unless he wants to. You have the right to be left alone. Unless the government has probable cause to suspect you of a crime, you are free to be left alone. You do not even have to produce "identity papers." Yet. The Fifth Amendment protects the citizen's right to be free from incriminating himself in a criminal case. What The Government Hopes Will Happen Upon knocking on your door, and you opening it, the police officer/deputy sheriff/special agent will say, "I'm Officer Smith and this is my partner Officer Jones. We understand you are in possession of an illegal assault weapon and we're here to retrieve it." They may wave papers in your face, such as a record of sale. You say, "Oh, well in that case, come on in. I'll show you where it is. I figured you'd find me." Then they will confiscate your firearm and arrest you. Later, when your attorney files a motion to suppress the evidence before your trial, the judge will deny the motion on the grounds that you volunteered the evidence to the police. You will then be convicted of being in possession of an "illegal" firearm. Other Things You May Want To Think About If you are in possession of a so-called "illegal" SKS Sporter or "assault weapon," you should consider purchasing an inexpensive dictation tape recorder and an inexpensive video camera, and keeping it near your front door. When the agents from the government (and they will come in pairs, as they are cowardly) come to your door, you should be in a position to gather evidence of their trickeries. They will try to trick you. For example, they may say, "We know you have an illegal firearm in your house. We want it. It is illegal for you to have it. You must let us in, pursuant to the new law." And, as mentioned above, they may say they have "evidence" that a certain weapon was sold to you. One response would be the same as above, "Go away. I'm not interested in spending any of my time talking to you. Get off my property. I'm recording this." Tell them you are recording this event. That will get their attention. You may want to set up a system whereby you can speed dial your phone to a neighbor who can also be videotaping the officers outside your door. Another alternative response could by, "Slide your search warrant under my door." The government agents will almost certainly not have a search warrant, provided you have been very circumspect in the recent past about what firearms you own. Why, then, would it be almost certain that the government agents will not have a search warrant? Because, according to the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution, "no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." Did you know that Article 1 of the California Constitution is a Declaration of Rights, and that section 13 of the Declaration of Rights says: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable seizures and searches may not be violated; and a warrant may not issue except on probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons and things to be seized?" (The full text of the California Constitution can be found at http://www.ca.gov/s/govt/govcode.html. You must ask yourself this question, "What judge is going to issue a search warrant to search my home for an allegedly illegal firearm, if I haven't had anyone in my home recently who might be a snitch, who would be able to say under oath, 'I saw this man in possession of an illegal firearm of a certain type, and it was stored in this location in his house and I saw it this morning?'" If the only "evidence" the government has is that months earlier you purchased a certain weapon, that in itself would only tell a judge that on that date you may have been in possession of that firearm. In the meantime, you could have disposed of it (you could have thrown it away in your trash), you might have dismantled it, thrown it in a lake, taken it out of state, etc., etc. If you have not advertised to anyone your possession of your "illegal" firearms, it is highly unlikely that the government will have sufficient evidence that probable cause exists that you are in possession of illegal contraband (that is, that you are in possession of an "illegal" firearm). Thus, you must ask yourself whether you are able to take the small risk that you are wrong. Even if the government agent has obtained a search warrant, after complying with the search, you may challenge the legal sufficiency of the search warrant. The government will have to sustain its burden of proof that the required showing of probable cause was actually based on credible, recent evidence. This will be a heavy burden, because in every case the eyewitness claiming that you were in possession of the "illegal" firearm would have to make a showing that your possession was close in time to the issuance of the warrant and that the eyewitness was in a position to "particularly describ[e] the place to be searched and the persons and things to be seized" according to the dictates of the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution and section 13 of the Declaration of Rights of the California Constitution. In every case, the government will only have reason to suspect that you are in possession of the "illegal" firearm based upon some information they received many months ago. It is just as likely that you are no longer in possession of the "illegal" firearm as it is that it is still in your possession; therefore, without more, there is no probable cause to believe you are currently violating the law. Since you may not be required to answer any of the government's questions about whether you are in possession of an "illegal" firearm, the government has no way of finding out whether its suspicions are correct. If you really want to have some fun, and burn up some of the government agents' time (taking away time they might otherwise use to try to trick other citizens of their firearms), you may want to do the following: When they identify themselves outside your door, slide a Public Servant Questionnaire under the door to each of them, and tell them you'd be happy to talk to them if they will answer each of the questions set forth on the form. You may get a copy of the Public Servant Questionnaire at http://www.GunTruths.com (click on the cartridge above "I Believe In Self Defense" and then scroll down to the "Get Involved" heading). If you do this, it is doubtful they will continue to talk to you. Probably, they will have been told not to waste their time on citizens who seem to understand their rights and they will leave and go to the next name and address on their list. Assuming they do fill out the form completely, you may want to then ask them whether they are armed with loaded firearms. If they say yes, you should tell them that you will let them into your house to talk with them only if they will return without their firearms. Then you should also tell them that you'd like to first obtain some witnesses to eyewitness the meeting in your home, and further explain that you'd like to have them sit in front of your pre-positioned video camera and near your tape recorder. If they tell you that you don't have the right to audiotape and videotape them, they will be lying. Remember, these are your public servants. Then let them come into your house, unarmed, to ask your permission to answer some questions. Let them ask whatever questions they choose. In response to each, simply say, "I choose not to answer that question." Or you might ask them, in response to every question they ask, whether you are required to answer the question. Again, you'll have this all on audio tape and videotape and have at least one witness. When they are finished, politely show them the door. Use your imagination. Another Right We Have At Our Disposal That The Government Fears Under Article VI of the United States Constitution, and Sections 15 and 16 of the Declaration of Rights in the California Constitution, all defendants in criminal prosecutions shall enjoy the right to a speedy trial, by an impartial jury of twelve jurors. The AG does not want to be faced with overcoming the foregoing hurdles, plus having to convince all twelve jurors on a jury that you ought to go to jail just because you were in possession of what just a few months earlier had been perfectly legal to own. The AG fears fully informed jurors who know that they have the power to judge both the law and the facts, and who will be willing to acquit you of the victimless crime of possessing an "illegal" firearm that was formerly perfectly legal to own. You should learn more about the Fully Informed Jury Association (FIJA), which is on the Links page at The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society, Inc. web site, http://www.thelsas.org. The Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution is short, to the point and written in English. The Fourth Amendment is easy to understand. The Attorney General hopes you don't understand any of your rights. Don't let them trick you. If the first one hundred attempts at trickery fail, the government will give up. Don't be fooled. Learn your rights and exercise them! Disclaimer: The foregoing is not legal advice but is for informational purposes only. You should use your own judgment or consult an attorney before deciding what to do. **************************** The 2ndAmendmentNews Team The way to protect your own rights is to protect the rights of others. Our right to own and use firearms is under attack. This list was created in a hurry due to the emergency presented by anti-gun politicians and the media dancing in the blood of those who died in the Colorado massacre. We receive e-mail addresses from various sources that represent the recipients as receptive to our timely, low-to- moderate volume gun-rights-related alerts (generally no more than weekly, never more than daily, depending on legislative and other circumstances). Occasionally recipients turn out to be not interested, and we remove them immediately with our sincere apology for any inconvenience. If you wish to be removed send an e mail to 2ndamendmentnews- owner@onelist.com and include "unsubscribe". If you know anyone who would appreciate these alerts, please let us know and we'll enroll them on a trial basis. Also, feel free to forward our alerts. If you've received this as a forward and wish to subscribe please send a reply to me at wh.clark@cwix.com or behanna@fast.net Cordially Yours, The 2ndAmendmentNews Team 2ndAmendmentNews is published by volunteer activists who support the full original individual rights intent of the 2nd Amendment and oppose any appeasement on gun rights. The moderators include Chris Behanna, Weldon Clark (an NRA director) and Steve Cicero. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- New!! Free E-mail @mail.com, @usa.com, @engineer.com and more! Mail.com makes it easy to set up a free, personalized e-mail address that you can access anytime and anywhere. http://www.onelist.com/ad/mailcom1 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Moscow taking Lessons from Washington? Date: 18 Sep 1999 13:10:59 -0500 Authorities demolish building damaged by bomb 1.18 p.m. ET (1722 GMT) September 18, 1999 Associated Press=20 =20 An appartment building, badly damaged in a suspected terrorist bomb attack, collapses after it was demolished by Emergency Situation Ministry workers, Moscow, Saturday, September 18, 1999. Demolition workers bored several thousand holes in the building's foundation to place explosives which will level the nine-story edifice where 93 people died in the September 9, 1999 explosion. The building in southeastern Moscow was one of four Russian appartment houses hit by a wave of explosions in recent weeks that claimed some 300 lives. (AP Photo/Maxim Marmur)=20 =20 =20 By Angela Charlton, Associated Press=20 MOSCOW (AP) =97 Demolition experts pulverized a nine-story Moscow apartment complex into chunks of concrete and dust Saturday, collapsing a building that had been badly damaged in a suspected terrorist bombing earlier this month.=20 Hundreds of teary-eyed relatives of the 93 people killed in the bombing, along with residents who survived the attack, watched as the sprawling apartment complex in southeastern Moscow collapsed to the ground.=20 The Sept. 9 attack destroyed a middle section of the building, leaving two flanking sections standing. Though many apartments remained unharmed, the building was deemed unsafe and the two side sections were demolished= Saturday ... from: http://www.foxnews.com/news/wires2/0918/n_ap_0918_535.sml=20 The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution.=20 ---Doug McKay"=20 Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [richslick] S L I C K Year 4, No. 42 (fwd) Date: 18 Sep 1999 14:21:02 PST On Sep 18, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] =A9 1999 Rich Martin Permission to repost in full, or in part, is granted. You are encouraged to pass this message on to anyone=20 who might be interested in its contents. Better yet, print a=20 copy for a friend who is not on-line. Any and all comments=20 on the subject matter are always welcome. Do NOT use your reply button. Send them to: Slick-D@egroups.com=20 Check out the Archives.=20 =20 richslick messages=20 15-27=A0of=A027=20 waco-group messages=20 97-109=A0of=A0109=20 From the Desk of Rich Martin P O Box 531918 972/263-6631 Grand Prairie, TX 75053 RichSlick@aol.com "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to=20 differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson=20 _______________________________________________=20 =20 Happy Football Season, 1999 We had some anxious moments last week when the breaking=20 news reports of a church shooting reached us. As I was=20 dialing, I was thinking how nice it would have been to have=20 one of those new fangled phones that would allow us to talk=20 to the whole family at a touch of a button. I'm relieved to=20 report the closest it came to our family was my youngest=20 graduated from Brewer H.S., where some of the victims=20 attended. As the FW Police Chief said, the word "anywhere",=20 as in "it can happen anywhere", has taken on a new meaning=20 to us.=20 It's tempting to dismiss it as the isolated act of a crazy=20 man, and forget it; but we all know this newest craze isn't=20 happening in a vacuum. First "fad" I can remember was when=20 jet travel was new. Planes were being blown out of the sky=20 by passengers bringing bombs aboard. Didn't take them long=20 to stop selling "flight insurance" at airports. (Okay, I=20 admit I thought it was stupid at the time, but with 20-20=20 hindsight I can see where selling $1,000,000 double=20 indemnity no-questions-asked insurance policy SOLD at=20 the departure gate could corrupt certain individuals, even=20 if they didn't have a terminal disease.) Likewise, there is=20 a cause(s) to today's rash of mass murders.=20 Of course, Larry Ashbrook was as crazy as a loon, but=20 internet stories of him being used by the govt as a patsy=20 are just as looney. There is a story out of Houston=20 connecting him to a religious hate group that might factor=20 in, but at first reading, it looks like another nut trying=20 to capitalize on the tragedy to advance his personal agenda=20 of hate. The truth of the matter is: Ashbrook was a 47-yr- old man unable to support himself; and when his father died,=20 no one cared [for him]. But that's another story. I want to=20 know why he chose a Baptist youth rally as his target. To=20 the best of my re-collection, this is one more precedent for=20 the Clinton watch, albeit Calif's Buford Farrow attack=20 included children.=20 My guess, the phenomenon is a logical extension of the=20 "politics of hate" we currently "enjoy". It's the opposite=20 side of the coin of that 20-yr-old that shot an abortion doc=20 in Mass. It's more intune with that kid who mowed down his=20 Christian classmates who dared to bring their religion to=20 school with them. It's road rage times ten. But the horrible=20 truth of the matter is, these horrific stories we read &=20 see, are just the tip of the ice berg. We are all being=20 affected by our new collective attitude toward others. We're=20 not only afraid to pick up a hitchhiker, we're afraid to=20 accept help when we break down.=20 =20 It has been said that being financially wealthy is a=20 relative process. A millionaire is rich only until he's in=20 the same room with a billionaire. An Ensign at the Pentagon may find himself carrying out boatswain's duties, washing=20 bulkheads or sharpening pencils. Some how, this same mindset=20 seems to have become part of our natl psyche as to what=20 makes US happy. Instead of enjoying a "drag", we get our=20 jollies off yelling about other peoples 2nd-hand-smoke.=20 Instead of offering/accepting "one for the road", we fine=20 and jail people for having an "open container" which hasn't=20 been sampled. I think it was the Little Blue Man who said it=20 first, "you don't wuv me any more."=20 How Slick is Slick?=20 Indonesia and a place called E Timor, watch out. We're=20 coming to get you. 7th nation the defenders of our nation=20 have invaded (not counting Waco, TX) under Clintons' watch.=20 Time to change the name of the DOD back to the Dept of War.=20 POLICE STATE Forget the conspiracy movies. It's happening in real=20 life now. The Clinton Administration wants the right to=20 break into your home and install a "listening device" on=20 your computer. Of course, they promise not to abuse the=20 privilege. (Right. Sure. Uh-huh.) Forget the Melissa virus.=20 Forget Y2K. This may be the scariest computer threat of the=20 year. I've got the full, frightening story -- plus a chance=20 to be heard -- waiting for you at the site.=20 Story: Now *Y= ou*=20 Are an Enemy of the State!=20 CHINA-GATE Did=20 Someone in Washington Make a Deal With China?=20 EDUCATION I am delighted to report the passing of the infamous=20 Fedl Judge Garrity of Boston, who single-handedly destroyed=20 on of the finest public school systems in the nation. Two=20 generations of Bostonians recd inferior educations because=20 of his fiats. Him and his cohorts on the bench are largely=20 the reason that the public school system as we've come to=20 know it, is beyond repair.=20 =20 ECONOMY 700,000 are scheduled to be laid off next year, most since the early days of the Bush Admin. HIDDEN TAXES Last week a woman in the news found $279,000---and=20 turned it in. The govt said it was theirs because they could=20 detect illegal drugs on the currency; but a judge disagreed.=20 She was awarded $321,000, which her lawyers took 1/3.=20 Figuring the lawyers pay taxes, the govt ended up with about=20 $200K for the govt, the lawyers $70K, and the honest citizen=20 $50K. Is there a lesson to be learned here? =20 WACO: RULES OF ENGAGEMENT Did you see the scene where the FIB inserted CS gas into=20 the center of the building, at the church vault/pantry? It=20 demonstrates how badly they misread the Davidians. They=20 figured that's where the Davidians would hide their most=20 valuable possessions. (Later the FIB claimed it held a=20 million rounds of ammunition.) Actually they were half=20 right. The vault did contain their most valuable=20 possessions, the women and children of Mount Carmel!=20 Pa= th=20 of Waco inquiry splits lawmakers=20 RETRO-ACTIVE EXECUTIVE ORDER? Looks like the BATF/FIB is going to need a retro-active=20 executive order authorizing the use of $1M worth of military=20 material & personnel to go along with the retro-active search=20 warrant they've already obtained. Fox NewsWaco=20 FRAUD Why shouldn't the $1,000,000 grant obtained from the=20 Pentagon to assault Mt Carmel by fraudulent means, be repaid=20 by the perp(s) committing that fraud?=20 WACO: INVESTIGATION Jack Danforth, as his friends call him, sez he's going=20 to use Postal Inspectors to investigate the fedl govts'=20 misdeeds at the end of the siege. (Like the Senate=20 Impeachment file before him, his investigation will be=20 limited to what is "allowed".) I suspect if they find=20 something important, like the Davidians re-cycled used=20 stamps, they'd find a way to put it in the "Final Report". WHY THE=20 BUREAU'S FLASH EXPLANATION IS NOT POSSIBLE=20 STARR-IZED It'll be easy to tell whether he is doing his job. If he is,=20 the Clinton press will jump all over him, and we'll think=20 a second time before letting him babysit our grandchildren.=20 COVER-UP OF COVER-UP By Michelle Mittelstadt Associated Press Writer Friday, September 17, 1999; 7:28 p.m. EDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- The special counsel investigating the=20 possibility of an official cover-up after the 1993 Branch Davidian=20 siege has asked a Texas judge to delay lawyers' fact-finding in=20 the civil lawsuit filed against the government by Davidian survivors=20 and relatives of the dead..... V-22 PROGRAM SAFE The feds have decided it is now safe to tell the=20 Congress and US the truth about the crash of a (take-off- like-a-helicopter, fly-like-a-plane) V-22. It wasn't pilot error after all, it was a mechanical problem in the Bell Helicopter Osprey. Wonder how many lies were told to=20 Congress during their budget hearings? Wonder how it=20 affected the falsely accused test pilot. Too bad perjury by=20 higher-ups isn't a crime. ANNUAL CONGRESSIONAL RAISE Congress would be hard pressed to pay themselves more=20 than they pay the prez, so they did the only logical thing,=20 they doubled the prez salary. That will leave plenty of room=20 to maneuver for many yrs to come. Of course, a Congress=20 can't raise their own salary, they can only raise the pay=20 scale for the "next" Congress, which will include 95+% of=20 the Congressmen who choose to be re-elected.=20 KATHIE'S KORNER When our county jumped on the bandwagon to ban gun shows=20 on county property, our county supervisor cast the only vote=20 against the ban. He argued that it made no more sense than=20 if they banned computer shows because of the child=20 abductions and other computer crimes. No more sense than if=20 they banned car shows just because a getaway car was used in=20 an armed robbery. Etc. And it got me to thinking - again! - about government's=20 intrusion into every aspect of our lives. Back in the good=20 old days of freedom, such shows were held on private=20 property, and so these issues never arose. But now, at least=20 here in California, a property owner could probably not get=20 permission from the government to hold such a show, or ANY=20 show. And meanwhile, the government keeps buying up the=20 property in order to control every aspect of our lives. Pray=20 for America!=20 Reply to: fishrap@netdex.com REMEMBER THE GOOD OLE DAYS... when l.s.m.f.t. meant Lucky Strikes means fine tobacco,=20 among other things. PEN PALS Last words of Texas 1999 executionee No. 24: "how 'bout=20 them Cowboys!" No kiddin'. BEST OF SICK-D Dear Rick, I left the Republican Party after the 1994 elections. I=20 had been a Republican for 30 years but I was smart enough to=20 figure out that the Republicans had become Democrats. I was=20 a Republican Precinct Committeeman but in the late '70's I=20 took a Republican Campaign Managers class and one of our=20 State Senators, who was teaching the class, said "tell the=20 people anything, just get yourself or your man elected. When=20 you get into office you can do what you want." I thought to=20 myself,"the Democrats tell their people the same thing. No=20 wonder we never get the truth from politicians." It was=20 after that class that I became uninvolved with the=20 Republican Party. The Party is beyond repair! You are=20 beating a dead horse. The Republicans of today call=20 themselves Libertarians. Wake up and smell the coffee.=20 Steve Porak THIS SPACE FOR RENT Reliable Internet Access for only $14.95 a month. Over 550 access numbers in 21 States and growing. Cyber77-ISP, web hosts, unlimited access,=20 high-speed servers=20 If you have your own web site, you know it's not enough=20 to be on the internet with 30,000,000 geeks. Oh, search=20 engines are great---for the other guy, but wouldn't you=20 prefer to be a little more direct? Instead of trying to=20 reach millions of people who can't spell your name, here's=20 your chance to target thousands of politically active=20 people like yourself. Send e-mail for details to RichSlick. FORT WORTH POLICE Something we can be deeply thankful for at Wedgwood is: the police were at the scene almost immediately, and they=20 did not cower around the perimeter of the building, like=20 they did at Columbine. They entered the bldg to confront the=20 shooter instead of letting him choose his time of=20 expiration, and tended to the wounded before they bled to=20 death.=20 Wedgwood Baptist Tragedy The following message was posted to the Wedgwood Baptist=20 Church (Fort Worth, Texas) website at 11:30pm, September 15th. ---------------------------------------------------------- =20 We serve an awesome God!=20 We don't understand why these things happen. An=20 incomprehensible tragedy occurred this evening at Wedgwood=20 Baptist Church.=20 A large group of teens were holding a rally in the church's=20 worship center, a follow-up to this morning's See You at the=20 Pole event. Many attending were visitors. Shortly before 7=20 p.m. a gunman entered the building near the youth rally and=20 began shooting. =20 The following results are known:=20 8 dead (including the gunman)=20 7 injured=20 everyone else - changed!=20 God, we don't understand. But you don't call us to=20 understand...just to serve.=20 We still serve and awesome God! PARTING THOUGHT Is Lon Horiuchi our nation's first mass-serial murderer? * * * * *=20 Subscribe to this Slick e-zine featuring Kathie's Korner, and receive absolutely free, a copy of Rich's Major Media=20 Mailing List containing over 400 e-mail addresses. To=20 subscribe, send your check for $24.95 to the address at the=20 top of this message. Be sure to include your e-mail address. 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Click here NOW! for = 250 Free HOURS http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/914 eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/richslick http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: (Fwd) Jews for Genocide (fwd) Date: 19 Sep 1999 12:20:47 PST On Sep 19, liberty_mls@softhome.net wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 02:05:05 -0600 Send reply to: the_righter@therighter.com Please distribute this widely! If you're Jewish, please let the American Jewish Congress know that they do not speak for you, and that you don't appreciate their support for disarming innocent Jews and others so they can be murdered. If you're not Jewish, ask them why a Jewish organization would want to promote genocide, and whether they realize that their un-American policies are likely to increase anti-Semitism. Write to: stern@ajcongress.org, pr@ajcongress.org, washrep@ajcongress.org, bellefaber@aol.com, pbaumajc@aol.com. A complete list of contacts is available at the AJC website, www.ajcongress.org. AJC needs to hear from a million people who OPPOSE gun control! Thanks! Sarah http://www.ajcongress.org/ros_stop.htm Remarks Delivered by American Jewish Congress President Jack Rosen at Press Conference to Announce AJCongress Gun Control Petition Drive, September 14, 1999 ---------- Good afternoon. I am Jack Rosen, President of the American Jewish Congress. We are here today to launch a grass roots initiative that is long overdue. We are here today to address gun violence in our nation. We are here today with proposals that will enhance, not restrict, freedom in our society. We are here today with concrete proposals that can help slow down a gun culture that is spiraling out of control and save lives. Most of all we are here today to protect our children both from the threats that exist today and those that could exist tomorrow if action is not taken. Of course, the American Jewish Congress has for many years been active in the support of gun control legislation. We are proud of that stand. Recent events, however, have underscored just how urgent the situation has become. The shootings this summer in Chicago in which citizens of our country were killed for no other reason than their race and religion were the first wake-up call. Then, the outrage in California at a Jewish day care center occurred. These events have galvanized the Jewish community. We are committed to leading a campaign to end this violence and to asserting the rights that all Americans share. The right to live their lives free of fear, to practice their religion openly and joyfully and to raise their children in security and safety. And the movement we launch today transcends race and ethnic heritage. Not just Jews, but blacks, Latinos, Asians and whites suffer under the burden of gun violence. It is pervasive in every corner of our society. Less than 14 months ago, this very Capitol, the symbol of all we as Americans hold most dear, was the scene of a senseless shooting that left two Capitol Hill policemen dead. When Americans cannot feel safe here, in the very cradle of their republic, the time for action has arrived. So today, AJCongress is proud to lead an effort to quantify the depth of feeling that we know exists among our fellow citizens in support of reasonable gun control laws. Here in Washington, and in New York, New Jersey, Boston, Philadelphia, Florida, Chicago, Dallas, and San Francisco, we are issuing a call for action. We are joined by our friends in the Reform, Conservative and Orthodox Jewish movements who have joined together to endorse this campaign. We intend to collect one million signatures on a petition demanding that the U.S. Congress pass legislation requiring licensing and registration of guns. The name of this campaign STOP THE GUNS: PROTECT OUR KIDS! underscores its importance. It is time our public officials in Washington understand that America's parents cannot tolerate what has happened in school after school in state after state. Everyone agrees that there must never be another Columbine, another North Hills Community Center. Yet what have we, collectively, as a nation of parents, done to prevent the possibility? As a generation, we must stand up to protect our children and succeeding generations from this scourge. We began this event with the blowing of the Shofar, which, throughout Jewish history, has been a call to action. This ceremony marks the Jewish High Holy Days, which began with the Jewish New Year last weekend. Next week is Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, the holiest and most sacred day on the Jewish calendar. So this is a time of reflection for Jews. It is a time to take stock, a time to identify shortcomings. And a time to take corrective action and to begin solving problems. So let me suggest it is also an appropriate time for all of us as Americans and parents to reflect upon what gun violence has wrought this past year. As we close in on the year 2000, surely it is time to stop the insanity that has brought automatic weapons into our day care centers and schools. What message do we as a generation send if we do not speak out and act now when our children are so clearly and frequently in danger? What we are proposing is simple, straightforward and reasonable. We want laws that: One, require all gun buyers to pass a federal background check before taking possession of any firearm from any gun dealer. Two, require all gun buyers to be licensed by an appropriate law enforcement agency. Three, require all gun dealers to register firearms with appropriate law enforcement agencies. And four, require gun makers to install safety devices that prevent accidental or inadvertent firing. Let me end by urging all parents to seek this petition out and sign it. Write your Congressmen and Senators, and tell them how important this issue is to you. You can obtain a petition by calling AJCongress at (212) 879-4500 or on the Internet at www.ajcongress.org. Join us as we react to the horrific events of the past year and work to prevent their reoccurrence. Help us take the weapons out of the hands of the hate groups. Work with us to foster a freer society for all our citizens. And most of all, support our efforts to protect our children. We are very fortunate to have with us today a number of public officials who are leaders on the issue of gun violence. We thank them for their courage and conviction and are proud to stand with them today. They will be instrumental in the success of our campaign for Congressional action. ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to righter-list-request@aros.net with the line unsubscribe righter-list in the body. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Politics is a game (fwd) Date: 21 Sep 1999 08:26:23 PST On Sep 21, Don Loftus wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I have been reading the news as of late and I see things beginning to hea= t up, especially the topic of gun control. We have seen Al Gore try to o= utdo Bradley on gun control and we see the Dems stepping up the pace of "= We NEED more gun control!" We even see the Republicans joining in and seeking some form of gun contr= ol. But WHY? It seems we have no friends left in politics. While the p= icture is not good, it is not hopeless either. In fact, we can really tu= rn this to our advantage. First here are some clips from an article on the Nando News service (http= ://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/0,1068,500035890-500057971-500031161= -0,00.html ) about the GOP strategy to stay in office. This helps to exp= lain why we don't see as much support for our side as we did before. --------- "ANALYSIS: GOP plans defensive strategy to stay alive in Congress=20 Copyright =A9 1999 Nando Media Copyright =A9 1999 Associated Press By DAVID ESPO=20 WASHINGTON (September 20, 1999 2:04 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, the man in charge of protecting the Republican majority in the House, summed up the legislative strategy in a few sentences in a recent speech.=20 "We'll join the issues" with the Democrats, he said, emphasizing a Republican tax cut bill and a measure to protect the Social Security surplus.=20 After that, "It all crystallizes next year when we get a presidential candidate. Then everything focuses on him." Davis added, "We try not to do any damage until then."=20 As Davis' comments suggest, the one-time revolutionaries in Congress are largely playing political defense this autumn, hoping to avoid antagonizing the country long enough for presidential front-runner George W. Bush to take command of the GOP team next spring. (snip) (snip)"The most important thing is be honest, get our work done, don't ra= id Social Security and don't raise taxes," he added.=20 Several of those spending bills are likely to be vetoed, and Republicans expect they will have to yield to Clinton's demands for more money in education and other areas before Congress adjourns for the year.=20 Their hope is to place Clinton into a political quandary by demanding that he outline ways to fund his priorities without spending the Social Security surplus or raising taxes.=20 And at a private leadership meeting on Friday, Lott emphasized his determination to avoid a summit meeting with the White House in which all unresolved issues are rolled into one complex negotiation.=20 Instead, according to congressional sources who spoke only on condition of anonymity, he and Hastert agreed that each spending bill will be dealt with separately, with Republicans and Democrats from the House and the Senate doing the negotiating.=20 In the long run, this grind-it-out strategy may produce a solid foundatio= n for success in next year's elections. Bush holds a commanding lead in the race for the GOP presidential nomination, and is ahead of both Vice President Al Gore and former Sen. Bill Bradley in the polls. The GOP assumption is that if they win the White House, they will hold the House and the Senate, as well. (snip) (snip)- Hastert has been saying for months that he favors passage of mode= st gun control provisions, even though a bill died in the House earlier in the year. GOP officials have been working quietly on a possible compromise expected to include a ban on certain high capacity ammunition clips and to require the sale of safety devices with weapons. The main sticking point has been background checks for gun show purchases.=20 Gun control either way (pro or con) for the Republicans is seen as just a= nother way to hold on to their majority in the House and Senate and get G= W Bush elected. OK, with all that said, what does that mean for us and how can be turn it= to our advantage. First because of all the hyperbole going on about gun= control we have a ready made opportunity to talk to friends, relatives a= nd coworkers about it. The Dems are helping us out be making outlandish = claims that we can disprove. We have a far greater impact than the newsp= aper editorial because we can discuss the topic one-on-one and in detail.= Don't miss this opportunity to talk to folks. Second, I sense a change in attitude about the Second Amendment and the i= ndividual right interpretation is becoming much stronger. I believe we w= ill see more decisions in the courts going our way once the Second Amendm= ent is debated in an honest, open forum, rather than in the court of publ= ic opinion - the newspapers and electronic media. But do keep those lett= ers going out to the newspaper and respond to all anti gun nonsense. Third, once we have a Republican President and congress, we will be in a = much better position to push for reform of the damage done by the last ei= ght years of Clinton. But we must hold the Republican feet to the fire o= n this reform. They will want to get out of it because there is no polit= ical points to be made by going back -- unless we make it a political poi= nt. George W. Bush is pro gun, maybe not as rabid as we would like, but = he will not veto the reforms we want. He is definitely an improvement o= ver Gore, Bradley and even Dole. I do worry about the split being caused= by Bucannon and the Reform Party. I really don't want another four yea= rs of Democratic rule=20 Folks, politics is a game! I don't like it either, but it is reality. A= lways has been, and in the foreseeable future, will continue to be. In c= hess you have to lose some pieces to win the game and the same is true in= politics. To win the overall game, we may have to put up with trigger l= ocks being sold with guns, but most manufacturers are going to do this on= their own anyway so it is not a big deal. HOW gun are stored is the big= deal and that is the point we don't compromise on. We may have to allow= for background checks at gun shows (in no more than one day) but we won'= t allow private sales at our homes or other places to be restricted. Unt= il the election is over, we are also in a "damage control" position due t= o the real push by the Democrates to get as much of their antigun agenda = passed before Clinton leaves office. The Dems are frantic because they s= ee the writting on the wall and know they are a poor position. Look for = the media to help them out as much as possible. It will take time to regain all the ground we have lost. After all, it h= as taken years and years of the anti's to get where they are. Public opi= nion changes slowly and, with the help of upcoming court decisions and cu= rrent research, opinions can change back. I think we may be on the verge= of the pendulum swinging back to the right. Sorry this is so long, but= we haven't had a good disscussion here in a while. OK, I'm ready...flam= e away. Don Loftus Gainesville, FL [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Drunken teenage drivers and the Ohio Supreme Court (fwd) Date: 21 Sep 1999 08:29:40 PST On Sep 21, Kissel, Roger W wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This article appeared in the September 21 1999 (Newark, Ohio) Advocate HEADLINE: Court rules blame falls on underage drivers COLUMBUS -- The Ohio Supreme has decided neither underage drinkers nor their families can blame bartenders and servers for giving them alcohol if they end up in an drunken-driving accident. The mother of a Canton teen killed in a 1986 accident after drinking at a wedding reception can't sue the restaurant that served her son, the court said in its unanimous Wednes-day ruling. The decision reversed the Fifth District Court of Appeals, which includes --Licking County (Ohio), that said those younger than 21 can't decide whether or not to drink, so those who serve them can be held legally responsible. But the high court saw things differently, arguing that teens and young adults -- especially those 18 and over -know what the laws are and should abide them. And in most drunken-driving accidents involving adults 21 and older, the person who served the alcohol can't be held liable, the court pointed out. Rather than characterizing an underage adult drinker as ... 'ineligible or not capable of making a legal decision to become voluntarily intoxicated, as did the court of appeals in this case, we think it more legitimate public policy to regard drinking by a 19-year-old as unlawful," wrote Justice Deborah Cook. The case originated when Patricia Klever sued Canton Sachsenheim, Inc. for her son's death. She alleged Sachsenheim's employees failed to verify his age prior to serving him and knew he was under-age. Jeffrey, 19, was killed when his speeding car crashed into a utility pole after the wedding reception, according to court records. There were no passengers. End of article Now consider the legal ramifications this makes for our passion - The Second Amendment and how guns are used.... Seems to me that this sets a precedent on (not) being able to sue dealers (and maybe even manufacturers). [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Politics is a game (fwd) Date: 21 Sep 1999 12:37:51 -0400 (EDT) > >Second, I sense a change in attitude about the Second Amendment and the i= >ndividual right interpretation is becoming much stronger. I believe we w= >ill see more decisions in the courts going our way once the Second Amendm= >ent is debated in an honest, open forum, rather than in the court of publ= >ic opinion - the newspapers and electronic media. But do keep those lett= >ers going out to the newspaper and respond to all anti gun nonsense. > I agree with this. At the same time that the NRA is being attacked (and pro-RKBA'ers find it too compromising) we have an undercurrent of changing sentiment. People are very distrustful of government at all levels and have a natural aversion to some of the spin being applied in the wake of recent shootings. We have Lawrence Tribe swinging towards pro-individual rights interpretation of the 2nd (reacting to underlying legal shifts). Justice Clarence Thomas is probably just dying for a 2nd Amendment case. GW Bush's record in Texas is reasonable. The radical in me wants to keep railing against compromise, but I do believe that getting past Clinton is the first priority. ciao, jcurtis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Politics is a game (fwd) Date: 21 Sep 1999 10:18:55 PST On Sep 21, John Curtis wrote: [snip] > People are very distrustful of government at all levels and have > a natural aversion to some of the spin being applied in the > wake of recent shootings. A lot more people used to be this way, and it kept them involved in Politics and riding herd on our Critters. Seems a good trait to encourage wherever possible..... -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Random House Modern Library Poll (fwd) Date: 22 Sep 1999 09:36:27 PST On Sep 22, C. D. Tavares wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Random House is holding a poll for the 100 best nonfiction books of the 20th century. Participants can vote multiple times, but only once per day* -- although they can vote for up to ten different books per day. I'm writing to you folks because "More Guns, Less Crime" has been hanging on to the number 11 spot... and could use a nudge from a few more gunnies to put it into the top ten. Voting instructions can be found at http://www.randomhouse.com/modernlibrary/100best/ Remember to type the title and author EXACTLY as shown in the list on that page, or else it will show up as a vote for an unrelated "book." And remember -- you have the privilege of voting every day! If you want to boost the cause of freedom just a little more while you're at their site, I would recommend additional votes for "Send in the Waco Killers" (Suprynowicz) and "Freedom in Chains" (Bovard). *Well, once per valid e-mail address that you have or can borrow, at any rate. :-) -- Tavares@alum.mit.edu | http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares | RKBA! There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. -- P.J. O'ROURKE (1993) [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Cops and Docs program (fwd) Date: 24 Sep 1999 10:55:29 PST On Sep 22, Bob Mueller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://www.seattletimes.com/news/local/html98/docs_19990922.html Cops and Docs program intends to inoculate students against guns by Ian Ith Seattle Times Eastside bureau Dr. Jean Marshall told the 32 eighth-graders fidgeting in their plastic chairs yesterday at Robinswood Middle School that they were about to see what happens when a handgun bullet blasts through a man's leg. The lights dimmed. The projector whirred and a slide clicked into position. Larger than life, the man's yellow, mangled, bloody shin shone out from the screen. The children gasped. Some of them covered their mouths with their shirts. None of them looked away. "That's a real-life gunshot wound," the doctor said. "Is this the image you see in the movies? Do you think this was painful? This did not have to happen in the first place. There were choices he could have made." Thus began the Bellevue School District's new Cops and Docs program, an hourlong session pairing a physician with a police officer for a blunt, no-holds-barred attempt at dispelling myths of gun violence. Every eighth-grader in the district is expected to see the program this year, in hopes of shocking them away from firearms. Organizers also hope the program will convince students that it's all right to tell a teacher or other adult about classmates who bring guns to school. "With kids, the worst fear is retaliation or to be labeled a `narc,' " said Bellevue police Officer Lisa Piculell, the school's resource officer who co-hosts the program. "My ultimate motive is to help those kids break down those barriers. It's OK to report guns in school. It's their obligation. It's their responsibility. You don't want to see a person you like or a teacher injured or killed." Littleton sparks demand The program was conceived and tested last year as an abridged version of the Seattle School District's Options, Choices, Consequences program, a much lengthier series of hard-hitting anti-violence presentations. After the massacre at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., earlier this year, the demand for the program skyrocketed. Cops and Docs turns on a series of increasingly gory scenarios that Marshall presents bluntly and clinically, donning a white doctor's smock and stethoscope for effect. Students have to get parental permission to attend and are free to leave if they are too repulsed. But none so far has opted out. "They know guns do bad thing, but if they don't experience it, they don't know how bad," said Marshall, a family practitioner at Group Health's Factoria clinic. "`Actually seeing a real life case, not one that's made up, really makes a big difference." The leg scene - a man accidentally shoots himself with a pistol - is followed by real autopsy photos of a Redmond boy, Isaac Lee, who was fatally shot in the head two years ago by a buddy who was playing with a pistol. "How do you think this boy felt, knowing he had killed his best friend?" Marshall asked the squirming, wincing students. And there's still more: Surgery scenes from a teen shot many times during a gang fight in Portland. A boy who shot himself in the chin. Dramatic photos from Columbine. After Marshall walked students through each scenario, Piculell followed up with a matter-of-fact recitation of the legal consequences people involved in the shootings faced. "Imagine being in this situation," she told the group. "You've stolen a gun, and you've killed someone because you were messing around with a gun." She clicked a grainy black-and-white photo of a prison on the screen. "This could be where you spend the rest of your life." Since testing the program, Piculell said, they have had at least one marked success: Last spring a 12-year-old boy who saw Cops and Docs informed on a student who had brought a pistol in a tote bag to the program. But not all the kids seemed eager to inform on gun-toting classmates. "I'd actually be scared to tell on somebody because he has a gun," one of the few girls in the class said. "I would be afraid of getting shot." And across the room, 13-year-old Sean Boyatt said a lot of people don't trust police enough to tell. "That's the biggest reason people don't call those tip lines, because they're afraid of being charged as an accomplice," he said. "What if you call that tip line, and they could come to your house and say you were an accomplice because you knew about the gun?" Piculell assured the class police respect and value anonymous tips. "You have a lot of resources to report," she said. "You can call 911. You can leave a note for someone. You can tell your parents. You just need to tell someone." Ian Ith's phone message number is 206-464-2109. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] [PBS: They'll come at night] (fwd) Date: 24 Sep 1999 10:54:46 PST On Sep 23, D. D. wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] What do you think of this ??? Rick ;-)> Reply-To: pbls41@wt.net "PBS, "Tony Brown's Journal," is set to reveal explosive allegations as early as this Friday. In the thirty-minute segment, already filmed, the former FBI Special Agent reveals one blockbuster allegation after another,..." For example:: Here is a quote from the referenced PBS show about government plans to mass move large segments of the population to "relocation centers." "About Y2K, the Special Agent says, 'Y2K presents a problem because... if you lose electricity, now you're talking about making movements under the cover of darkness. ...And they realize... they have an acceptable loss rate. In these movements during night, there may be some innocent people who are harmed and shot, but that's acceptable." Another quote from the referenced article is: "Plans for mass relocations of the population, "acceptable casualties" and removal of so-called "dissidents" after a declaration of Martial Law are only a surprise to the American public, not the intelligence community." Folks, this information about the FORCED roundup of American Citizens will be aired on PBS. This is not some camoflaged, middle aged militia member standing on a soap box and telling you this. This is credible information coming from a FBI Special Agent on PBS!!!!! Although, the Militia warnings that have been issued in the past NOW certainly take on new and improved credibility and value. Like so many revelations about government actions (Waco included), what we have scoffed at from the militias is being shown to be true. "The full story is unveiled on your local PBS station beginning this Friday. Shows may air any day from Friday, September 23 through Thursday, September 30th. Check your local listings for exact air times." More information regarding this upcoming PBS show can be seen at: http://www.y2knewswire.com/19990922br.htm Scroll down to the story under the caption, "Breaking News." Read it for more info about the upcoming PBS show. Question - What will be the reaction of the American People when they come for them in the middle of the night?? What will you do?? Will you "board the train meekly" as the Jews did in the late '30 and early 40's? Will you try to keep your family close to you so as not to be separated, unless those with the guns decide the children need to go to a separate facility, and the old and feeble to another?? Will you strain to glimpse the last fleeting view of your loved ones as they are hustled off?? Folks, the responsibility of this whole scenario can be laid at OUR FEET. We have failed in our responsibility to properly manage our government and our elected officials. We have been all to willing to trade our Liberty for some bureaucrat's promise for a little more security. The chickens have come home to roost. The mere fact that such a plan exists and government agents have been "training for years" to impliment such plans is an abomination to the very principles that founded this Nation, and should be a strong wake-up call to every American. What are your thoughts???????????????????????????? Find the time to watch this show (warning). Tell all your friends about this. Then let your elected officials know of your feelings about this. BUT, ABOVE ALL - - BE PREPARED IF THEY COME !!!!!! One other thing, for the sake of America, for the sake of your family, and for the sake of our Posterity, please get involved and vote out each and every Democrat and Republican in government. These politicians have place the welfare of their parties and the welfare of their masters - the globalist, multinational corporations and banks - above the welfare of this country and it's People for way too long!!! It's time to get rid of them. It is time to reform this government. Join together in a political party and let us take back our country. Jim Welch [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slickplus] SLICK Fwd: sick of government intervention into your lives (fwd) Date: 24 Sep 1999 14:19:44 PST On Sep 24, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > All: > > If you're sick of government intervention into your lives; if you're sick > of national ID cards; if you're sick of useless gun control legislation; > and if you're sick of an oppressive tax system, here's your chance to do > something about it. Send the message: > > What part of 'get the federal government out of our lives do you not > understand?' > > in both the subject and body of a single post to the government and media > addresses clipped below. Send this message and pass this post > along to others who you feel may be interested. Its high time we spoke in a > single voice against the ever increasing tyranny of this government. Here's > your chance. Make it count. Be sure to put the addresses in the Bcc field. > > Edward ><+> > > Government E-mail addresses: > > Senator_Stevens@stevens.senate.gov > senator@sessions.senate.gov > senator@shelby.senate.gov > blanche_lincoln@lincoln.senate.gov > Senator.Hutchinson@hutchinson.senate.gov > info@kyl.senate.gov > John_McCain@mccain.senate.gov > senator@boxer.senate.gov > senator@feinstein.senate.gov > senator_allard@exchange.senate.gov > administrator@campbell.senate.gov > senator@dodd.senate.gov > senator_lieberman@lieberman.senate.gov > senator@biden.senate.gov > comments@roth.senate.gov > bob_graham@graham.senate.gov > connie@mack.senate.gov > senator_coverdell@coverdell.senate.gov > senator@akaka.senate.gov > senator@inouye.senate.gov > tom_harkin@harkin.senate.gov > chuck_grassley@grassley.senate.gov > larry_craig@craig.senate.gov > dick@durbin.senate.gov > senator_fitzgerald@fitzgerald.senate.gov > senator_lugar@lugar.senate.gov > sam_brownback@brownback.senate.gov > pat_roberts@roberts.senate.gov 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) Date: 24 Sep 1999 19:03:42 -0700 I wish all my co RKBArs good luck with the GOP. I will caution that as a PCO (or any staff position) it is your job to elect republican politicians. This is not an "optional" feature of the job description. After 6 years as an area chair in the 41st and into my 3rd year of being a PCO I just couldn't take the idea that I might be pounding pavement for a gun banner. When they voted in the house for gun show checks and etc I stopped sending them money and limited the time I give them (No loss for them I guess, my internet ideas always seemed to be smilingly sucked into a black hole.). Boyd Kneeland, previously 41st region 1 area B chair, previously 41-3140 PCO still getting calls from my replacement. Bill Vance wrote: > > On Jul 21, skip wrote: > > >"Harry E. Barnett" wrote: > >> > >> Bill Vance wrote: > >> > >> >On Jul 21, skip wrote: > >> > > >> [***snip***] > >> >>The Christian Coalition and related organizations made great start, but > >> >>they failed to establish a broad power base by scaring people off (with > >> >>the help of the lefty media). IMO, their real mistake was impatience - > >> >>putting quick advancement of their agenda ahead of attracting widespread > >> >>support for a broad agenda. They looked like single issue zealots and > >> >>scared off people who might have agreed, but didn't share their > >> >>priorities. > >> >>They squandered their opportunity. Now they're a media-demonized > >> >>footnote > >> >>in the history books, whose principal value is to teach others what NOT > >> >>to do. > >> >> > >> >>FWIW, Skip. > >> > > >> >That may be, but I don't think we've seen the last of them yet. > >> > > >> > >> D'ya suppose they could be persuaded to work for the Democrats? > >> > >> Just a thought. harryb > > Not a bad one either. We need good folks engaging in Politics in _all_ > Parties, to oust/freeze out the Statists everywhere. The more the merrier! > > >Harry, > > > >I didn't go into it in my little sermonette, but you and I, as WA > >residents, have a case in point that others do not - Ellen Craswell's > >campaign for governor. Her solid 17% of devoted Christian supporters > >gave her a solid victory in a 7-candidate primary, but in the general > >election, her devoted Christian backing wasn't nearly enough to avoid > >a humiliating defeat. > > Having a bout with Cancer didn't help her chances much either. Her Hubby > engaging in a Spoiler race after that didn't endear him to nuch of anybody, > but then he didn't care. Such didn't help the 3P's reputation with a lot of > folks. > > > I can see the RKBA folks repeating that delusional > >mistake unless they adopt a "big tent" philosophy. Where's Loboazul (RIP) > >when we need him? He understood this politics crap perfectly. > > > >Skip. > > Kevin McGehee has, (by default), filled his shoes to some extent, over on > NoBan, but even though some of us voted him, "List Lobo", in recognition, it > was not unanimous, even though there were no negative votes, so he thanked > us and begged off. None of us can do all the things Jim did, in all ways, > but we all carry on as best we can. > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: [slick-d] [PBS: They'll come at night] (fwd) Date: 24 Sep 1999 19:03:54 -0700 Thanks for asking ; ) I think that if this happens at least two of my legislators will be loading mags too. Fine lady marksmen that -I- would not want to go up against ; ) Boyd OT PS- Unrelated to this post, I'm always interested in good deals on AR10 (.308/7.62mm) mags. Thanks for your time. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: Taking back OUR PARTY (was Re:_George_W_Bush, etc.) (fwd) Date: 24 Sep 1999 20:18:11 -0700 On Friday, September 24, 1999 7:04 PM, boyd@seanet.com [SMTP:boyd@seanet.com] wrote: > I wish all my co RKBArs good luck with the GOP. I will caution that as a > PCO (or any staff position) it is your job to elect republican > politicians. This is not an "optional" feature of the job description. > After 6 years as an area chair in the 41st and into my 3rd year of being > a PCO I just couldn't take the idea that I might be pounding pavement > for a gun banner. When they voted in the house for gun show checks and > etc I stopped sending them money and limited the time I give them (No > loss for them I guess, my internet ideas always seemed to be smilingly > sucked into a black hole.). > Boyd Kneeland, previously 41st region 1 area B chair, previously 41-3140 > PCO still getting calls from my replacement. This is a question more than anything else. At present many in California are eagerly getting signatures on a campaign to recall Gray Davis as governor. The Recall was put together over Davis' refusal to continue the appeal process over 187. But when looks about it is gun owners who seem to be working hardest to get signatures. But I wonder what the Republican leaders are going to do if the campaign gets the required signatures. All the people who want to get rid of Davis and give the Republicans a chance to win the Governor's office want him out for his favorable treatment of aliens against the sprit of 187 which passed with a large majority and gun owners and in both cases while the rank and file Republicans are strongly in favor of 187 and Guns the Republican leadership have consistently refused to take a stand on either issue to support the people who have voted for them for fear of irritating those who will never vote for them. Any ideas of who is waiting to oppose Gray Davis Jack - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd from Australia (fwd) Date: 25 Sep 1999 12:17:35 PST On Sep 25, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >From Chris, in Australia. May God be with us... >Patty > >************************************************** >Hi Pat; > >A year ago, members of the Federal Police, ASIO, entered my home, without a >warrant and showed me documentation that gave them the right to download the >contents of my hard drive to their portable drive. They hooked into my >printer port and in less time than it takes to defrag a drive they had a >full copy of my hard drive. I encrypt my hard drive with PGP and I run >other encryption programs under that yet again that cover such things as my >mailing list and my e-mail contacts, personal folders etc.. > >It was alleged that because I had been involved with anti-government groups >and because I am still anti-government that my hard drive may contain >information that was "in the best interest of the State to know". > >They would have been in for a shock when they tried to hack the system open, >I have it booby-trapped to fdisk all fixed drives, that would include their >main drive as well as the copy that they had of mine. > >I was asked for the entry codes, but I forgot the current ones. I then >moved all my data that they might use to contact others off of my computer >and over-wrote the files several times. > >In Australia the Police can enter your home without a warrant, copy your >hard drive, search the home for weapons and do it all without a warrant. > >If you want to take this path, then say nothing when your government passes >these motions before your parliament. If you desire not to have half a >dozen gun packing Feds wander through your home, frightening your wife and >kids, then speak up now! > >We can not even threaten them with a shotgun, well not a pump action or a >semi-auto anyway and unless we have a damn good reason for owning a gun, not >at all. Remember most Aussies thought the gun-grab was a good idea, after >all the adverts said it would save lives and cut down on crime. It did not! > >The excuse that was used when the computer access laws were passed is that >it would catch child pornographers, it has never caught a single one, but it >has been used to shut down many a political opponent of the corrupt system. > >Chris J. Bartle >Australian Revolutionary Movement. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To join the Waco discussion group, Click here ----> waco-group-subscribe@egroups.co m To join the Slick discussion group, Click here ----> slick-d-subscribe@egroups.com and read what others are saying about these issues. FREE To join the SlickPlus internet group, Click here ----> SlickPlus-subscribe@egroups.com and receive free e-mails from others about the same topics. FREE SUBSCRIPTION Any user can subscribe or unsubscribe to this group by sending mail to: slickplus-subscribe@egroups.com or slickplus-unsubscribe@egroups.com To subscribe to the Slick e-zine, send e-mail to RichSlick@aol.com for details. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #153 (fwd) Date: 25 Sep 1999 22:16:07 PST On Sep 25, Doug Fiedor wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Heads Up A Weekly View from the Foothills of Appalachia September 26, 1999 #153 by: Doug Fiedor fiedor19@eos.net Previous Editions at: http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/list-hu.htm WHEN FORFEITURE IS APPROPRIATE Here comes another example of big government playing fast and loose with our money again. Actually, this time they say they gave it away in good faith. But then it got stolen. This was a significant chunk of change, too. The amount represents somewhere between eighty and ninety bucks for each and every taxpayer in the country. Maybe more, actually. Let's low-ball it, though, and say eighty bucks. So: Mr. And Mrs. Taxpayer of the United States, you have all been ripped off for somewhere around eighty bucks each by foreign criminals and they were so good at it you didn't even notice. That's because our federal government helped. They gave over $10-Billion to the International Monetary Fund to give to Russia. But the IMF is not very good at paying attention to where the money ends up, so things get a little fuzzy after that. Anyway, IMF gave Russia a total of about $20-Billion in international aid over the past few years -- about $10-Billion of which came from the U.S. Treasury. Our tax dollars, in other words. Partially because we sent liberals from the Ivy League universities over to "help" Russia become a Democracy, and partly because the organized crime group we now call the Russian Mafia controls almost as much over there as the government does, Russia is in economic chaos. Those money watchers (AKA: Finance ministers) representing the 182 nations that belong to the IMF and World Bank kept right on sending good money after bad, without demanding accountability or results. Now there are accusations in financial circles that the organizations "failed to stem the mounting corruption in the Russian economy," which has shrunk by 40 percent since the fall of communism. That's the $20-Billion understatement of the decade! Knowing that Boris Yeltsin was "in charge" (when sober) over there should have been a hint. Knowing that Al Gore was advising his buddy, former Russian Prime Minister Viktor Cherynomyrdin (KGB), for most of the last six years could have been yet another clue. House Banking Committee Chairman James Leach (R-Iowa) -- who supported IMF programs for Russia -- called the scam "the greatest example of kleptocratic governance in modern history." The only issue, he said, was whether U.S. bankers and international oversight officials were "unwittingly duped or willing facilitators." Facilitators, Jim, facilitators. And you guys in Congress gave each and every one of those bozos running IMF and World Bank immunity against prosecution for anything they do -- even the ones who are American citizens. Now there is zilch you can do about them. The IMF counters by saying it has no evidence that any of the $20 Billion it has lent Russia over the last decade has been pilfered. It's just that IMF sort of "lost track" of part of it. Specifically, $15-Billion. But, that is not a big problem at IMF. They still recommend that the next installment on the current $4.5-Billion package to Russia be released. Russia was supposed to pay off some of its debt with that IMF welfare money. Instead, Russia defaulted on its government bonds and devalued its currency. One would think that might have also been a hint to those in the international banking community. But, IMF and the World Bank people didn't seem to notice. So, where was the money found? Well, last week Reuters reported that the head of Interpol said the alleged Russian money-laundering scheme involved a New York bank and was the biggest rip-off the agency had come across so far. "What is complex in the Russian situation is that you seem to be dealing with corruption taking place at such high levels that the normal ways of cooperation you'd use are not necessarily the valid ones," said Interpol's British Secretary General Raymond Kendall. It appears that it was a group activity over there. That is, Russian mobsters, businessmen and government officials all cooperated to launder the $15- Billion out of the country and quietly deposit it into accounts at the Bank of New York. We know that because Russian government officials received it from IMF and deposited it into local banks. From there, it was a member of the Russian Mafia who most probably laundered it to the Bank of New York. We know that because, conveniently enough, the wife of a member of the Russian Mafia was the bank official at the Bank of New York in charge of administrating the accounts in which that $15-Billion was deposited. But, just before getting caught, she sent a lot of it back out of the country. Now, here's a thought: Recently, an American citizen was stopped in a traffic stop and found to have $15,000 in cash. Simply because the motorist had the money, the police stole it. Forfeiture, they call that scam. Well, here sits the Bank of New York laundering billions of dollars. If the money laundering and forfeiture laws applied equally to all, the American People would now own that bank and its officers would have been arrested. Obviously though, forfeiture and "Know your Customer" laws do not apply to those who launder millions and billions of dollars. Those laws are, as we see, but population control devices, used specifically to frighten American citizens into genuflecting before the temple of big government. POLITICAL SPEECH IS PROTECTED The First Amendment should be rather clear to all: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or abridging the freedom of speech, or the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." That means two things to our personal liberty: Congress may do nothing to favor one religion over any other -- all 1,500 religions in the United States are to be equal under the law, and free to practice as they wish. And, Congress may not regulate our speech or how we express ourselves. The States can, depending on your State Constitution, but Congress may not. And, Congress is the only federal branch of government authorized by the Constitution to make law. Yet, in a display of total disrespect for the Constitution, Congress then went forth and passed a whole series of laws concerning religion, speech, assembly and how we shall be allowed to (or not) present grievances. Most interesting, at the moment, are two bills that effectively trash speech, assembly and the redress of grievances in one whack. Worse, they would regulate political speech -- our ability to publicly criticize the actions of politicians. According to the United State Supreme Court, political speech is the most protected of all speech. That is, citizens are free to display political signs as they wish, write either signed or anonymous texts for or against candidates or legislation and peacefully assemble with like minded people to propose and plan political action. Now comes the Shays-Meehan bill in the House and the somewhat similar McCain-Feingold bill in the Senate. Generally speaking, both would make it illegal for a citizen to spend a buck or two to influence the outcome of a federal election in the 60-day period prior to an election. In other words, the bills are designed to stifle the political speech of grassroots advocacy groups. The intent is to regulate and mandate the speech of any person or any group spending nearly any amount of money to get out their political message with a ton of regulatory red tape. And, if not obeyed, there is a threat of imprisonment, fines and/or forfeiture of property. All statists want to limit dissent, of course. They gain power by limiting the ability of the people speak and express contrary ideas. So, it's no surprise that these new campaign finance bills directly limit most any form of expression that requires money to support it. And, by the way, this will also include web sites that profess a certain political point of view. Just about anything a voter or citizen's group can do to influence the outcome of a federal election in the 60-days prior to an election would be banned. Elected officials will have all of that regulated money -- campaign funds -- to broadcast their views to the nation. But, "We the People" may have to keep our opinions to ourselves. Our personal money is to be called "independent expenditures" or "advocacy" advertising and will be strictly regulated. That is, "independent expenditure" is "an expenditure by a person expressly advocating the election or defeat of a clearly identified candidate that is not provided in coordination with a candidate." Any expenditure. The liberal media outlets get a free pass in this, though. There is an exception in Sec. 201 of the McCain-Feingold bill for "communications appearing in a news story, commentary, or editorial distributed through the facilities of any broadcasting station, unless such facilities are owned or controlled by any political party, political committee, or candidate." We suggest, therefore, that every group throughout the country immediately develop a history of publishing periodic newsletters and pamphlets -- and whatever else they can afford -- before this campaign finance atrocity is passed. That is, become an established publisher of political commentary so as to get grandfathered in as a legitimate news source. Surely, the Supreme Court will throw out any stupid laws limiting political speech by the people. But the cold hard fact of life in these United States is that many people could get arrested, convicted, fined and/or imprisoned before the case ever gets to the Supreme Court. So, we will all need to be protected in the interim as already established news publications. We are woefully in need of strong campaign finance laws -- with penalties that impact directly on candidates. And that is simple to arrange. Candidates should be restricted to accepting campaign funds only from registered voters in their respective districts, and from no other source. And even that should be capped at a maximum of $2,000 or less per individual registered voter. Else, it's business as usual in Washington and the graft will continue. The only ones they plan to freeze out of the equation are those of us who would criticize. SOME POLITICAL POINTS TO PONDER Wonders never cease! I turned on the radio last Tuesday afternoon and there was Rush Limbaugh talking with Pat Buchanan. Except, they weren't exactly "talking," they were in fact "debating" the political issues of the day. Yeah. The Rushmeister debating the fiery conservative star of Crossfire and perennial presidential candidate Pat Buchanan. On conservative issues, too -- and there wasn't a stinken liberal sound in the hour. It don't get no better than that, folks! No matter what you may have felt about what was said, it simply does not get any better than that for a political debate. Both stated their arguments clearly and defended their ground with debating expertise and an obvious knowledge of the topics discussed. Both made excellent points and sounded like they may have been converting the other on minor issues from time to time. Both debated with respect, honor and friendship for the other. And then the hour was up. Such a damn shame, too! We seldom hear discussions like that broadcast anymore without liberals butting in with their steady stream of inappropriate and snide remarks. So here's a thought we might all put forward to the man behind the EIB Golden Microphone: Have at them all, Rush. Debate each of them exactly the way you did with Pat Buchanan: Fair, friendly and firm. There are good and bad points, consistencies and inconsistencies, strong points and faults, in each of the Republican campaigns. These points are best debated and discussed with a good conservative commentator, rather than some sniveling liberal wanting more to play "gottcha" with a Republican candidate than allow interesting facts to come out. And, who better for that task than Rush Limbaugh? Rush has the knowledge, the gift of gab and the ready made audience of interested listeners. There's a great fit there. Fair, friendly and firm. That's where it's at in a truly informative debate. That's how Rush was with Buchanan and that is how he should be with all Republican candidates. But, there was yet another little point that came out in the great Rush-Pat debate: That is the mention of James P. (Jimmy Junior) Hoffa being considered as a candidate for Pat's running mate. Most people associate the name Jimmy Hoffa with organized crime, and it is true that he was a man to be feared when I was a kid. Some of us still remember that Hoffa appearing before the Senate labor-rackets committee back in 1957. We also remember how corrupt the Teamsters Union was back then and that Hoffa went to prison for (some of) his sins. But that was James R. Hoffa, and that was a greatly different time. Today it's James P. "Jimmy" Hoffa as President of the Teamsters Union. And Jimmy Junior is a world of different from Jimmy Senior. Being the same age, from somewhat the same neighborhood, having basically the same interests, and having attended the same school system, we had occasion to bump into each other from time to time over the years. Jimmy (Junior) Hoffa graduated from Detroit's Cooley High School as a member of the National Honor Society and was an All-City and All-State football player. From there, he attended Michigan State University, where he received a Bachelor's Degree in Economics. He even played football under the old MSU coach Duffy Daugherty. Anyway, from there he went to the University of Michigan Law School where he graduated with a LLB degree. After that, he did a bit of aide work for the Michigan State Senate -- constituent relations and research, they say. From there, he began a law practice. Later came involvement with the Teamsters Union, of which he is now President. Truthfully, I do not know what I think of the possibility of Jimmy Hoffa becoming Vice President of the United States. But, in fairness, I think I would be a bad person to ask. Two important points should be made, though: Unlike his father, Jimmy Junior is not a Democrat. Also, if there were more Republicans in Congress as conservative as James P. Hoffa, we would have a lot less stupid laws to worry about. THE LONE HORSEMAN OF THE COMMONWEALTH By: Craig M. Brown RRZH67B@prodigy.com His white Stetson framed against a blue gray September sky, Gatewood Galbraith rides again. Riding on the wings of grass roots support, his enemies are corruption, cronyism, big government and rising taxes. "Gatewood for the people" is the cry throughout Kentucky, as Galbraith gains support in his race for Governor, running against the odds to unseat a corrupt administration. Weeks ago, skeptics said Gatewood didn't have a chance. Now their minds are changing as working men and women who have been betrayed by broken promises from the incumbent Governor are lining up behind Galbraith. He is running as the Reform party candidate, but Republicans as well as Democrats, all longing for a change, see Galbraith as the man to clean out the stables of fat cat special interests in the state capitol. Galbraith is riding virtually alone, with no PAC money and contributions from large corporate interests. When elected, he will be indebted to no one but the thousands of small contributors who ask for nothing more than an honest government. Gatewood's message to the people is written in the words of the United States Constitution, with the emphasis on separation of powers and the Tenth Amendment. Gatewood believes in liberty -- our own personal freedom -- and the values that made this country great. In the next few weeks before the election, Gatewood anticipates an aggressive, vicious attack from the incumbent Governor, desperate to hold his power in the state capitol. The Governor, with his bankroll bulging with special interest money, is certain to fill the airwaves with attacks on Galbraith, his ideas and his vision for the Commonwealth. But it's hard to kill an idea that floats from town to town and door to door. Already the Internet and small town newspapers are crackling with the news that Gatewood is gaining, and in some cases has passed the incumbent. The grassroots are growing louder and will soon reach a crescendo. The nation should be watching this race. The "miracle" that occurred in Minnesota is likely to be repeated in Kentucky. The message is if the Republicans are going to abandon the principles of conservatism that they embraced during the Reagan era, then the Jesse Venturas and Gatewood Galbraiths of the nation are going to pick them up. See for yourself what Gatewood Galbraith and his running mate, Kathy Lyons stand for. Take a look at their web site at: http://www.gatewoodkathy99.com ~ End ~ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [richslick] S L I C K Year 4, No. 43 (fwd) Date: 26 Sep 1999 07:30:24 PST On Sep 26, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] =A9 1999 Rich Martin Permission to repost in full, or in part, is granted. You are encouraged to pass this message on to anyone=20 who might be interested in its contents. Better yet, print a=20 copy for a friend who is not on-line. Any and all comments=20 on the subject matter are always welcome. Do NOT use your reply button. Send them to: Slick-D@egroups.com=20 Check out the Archives.=20 =20 S L I C K E-ZINE=20 waco-group archives=20 From the Desk of Rich Martin P O Box 531918 972/263-6631 Grand Prairie, TX 75053 RichSlick@aol.com "The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be=20 needed until they try to take it." -- Thomas Jefferson _______________________________________________=20 =20 Happy Birthday Kerry, 1999 So Congress is in a quandary whether to allow HMO's to=20 be sued by their patients (customers). Other questions=20 confounding Congress are: should police be forced to get a=20 court order or a warrant before seizing medical records;=20 should the fedl law replace stricter state laws; should a=20 limit be placed on damages when health records are released=20 improperly, and do they need to prove they were released on=20 purpose. This is a no-brainer. (Tell me, can you be sued if=20 you cause an auto accident, if you didn't crash on purpose?)=20 All questions they are seeking answers can be found=20 written plainly and succinctly in the Bill of Rights from=20 which Congress powers derive/are limited. Senate Health,=20 Education, Labor and Pensions Committee Chairman, Sen=20 Jeffords (VT), has written the bill to compromise these once=20 cherrished rights. Privacy=20 Concerns Electronic Newsletter=20 On an unrelated subject, if Congress would like to=20 improve health services and cut costs for same, they should=20 remove the cap on the number of citizens allowed to become=20 doctors each year. Rangers could clinch the West Division today. I'm=20 looking forward to an I-45 series with Jeff Bagwell and the=20 Astros, aren't you? The only thing [owner] Tom Hicks and the=20 Rangers can't figure out is: how come attendance is down=20 400,000 despite leading their division for most of the year.=20 Well, maybe not. The Rangers just announced they are going=20 to forego next years scheduled ticket increases.=20 How Slick is Slick?=20 Clinton exercised his long-awaited veto of the GOP tax=20 bill saying that it would not protect Social Security.=20 Meanwhile, on another page of the newspaper, I read that=20 among the assistance the feds awarded the 14,129 Kosovo=20 refugees living in America, was $500/month in Supplemental=20 Security Income (SSI), paid from the FICA fund! TOBACCO SUIT Clinton has asked Congress to send $120 mil of our money=20 to Justice to pursue their case vs the tobacco industry. If=20 what they truly want is money to fund smoke-related=20 illnesses, or to re-imburse tax payers as they proclaim to=20 justify their suit, why not just raise the fedl tax on a pack of=20 cigs by a buck or two, and save the $120 mil to repay the=20 FICA "loan"?=20 BIG GOVT WANTS TO GET BIGGER President Clinton wants a billion dollars to acquire=20 more than 100 new parks in 40 states and territories, and he=20 will brook no dissent. Anyone who disagrees with the plan is=20 a threat to the environment, he says, and anyone who wants=20 to cut taxes is one of the biggest. ... But this controversy=20 is more than a routine budget fight. The fact is that one=20 could hardly do more damage to the environment than to put=20 more of it in government hands. The national park system=20 doesn't have the resources to manage what it has now. Why=20 give it even more to mismanage?=20 Washington Times Weekly editorial, 9/5/99 GOP TAX CUT We know the GOP hasn't the guts to confront Clinton,=20 but if they had a brain among them, they would pass a law=20 eliminating the Marriage Penalty Tax retroactive to Jan 1,=20 and dare the president to veto it. Taxing couples thousands=20 of dollars because they choose to live together with the=20 benefit of a marriage license, while exempting couples=20 "living in sin", doesn't make sense any more than making a=20 loophole that can only be taken by d-i-v-o-r-c-e. The law=20 should be repealed on Democratic grounds that it just isn't=20 "fair", and by Republicans because it is totally "immoral"=20 and repugnant to America's traditional family values.=20 HIDDEN TAXES As if there weren't enough hidden taxes on our telephone=20 bills, they just went up again. We got our quarterly beeper=20 bill (no out going calls on a beeper, you know). The tax=20 went up from $4.91 to $6.32, 28.7%!=20 WORLD TRAVELER Bill Clinton has spent 186 days out of the country so=20 far, not nearly enough. He also spent over 100 days last year attending fund raisers. WACO Shunned=20 Waco documentary now sees light=20 rem= ember=20 the Move =20 COVER UP OF THE COVER UP Sen John Danforth is going to use Postal Inspectors to=20 investigate the FIB, Delta Force and the infamous BATF, all=20 supported by the biggest govt propagandists (fondly known as=20 WH spinmeisters) the earth has ever known. His odds of=20 success vs this group are lot less than 0.01% of what=20 Koresh's were vs the same foes. Want to bet they've got his=20 raw FIB file? STOCK MARKET This week, when the stock market fell, those guys in the=20 rose colored glasses encouraging us to buy stocks sang a new=20 mantra: Bill Gates lost $5 bil of his $89 Bil. That's=20 supposed to make us feel good, I guess. (See Slick 42.)=20 GENOCIDE The last of the Serbs still living in Kosovo have said=20 they will take up arms to protect themselves from the U.N. financed ethnic cleansing campaign. LETTER TO THE EDITOR "Would gun control supporters explain to me how making=20 potential victims helpless will make them safer?" Kip Allen, Palm Springs - Los Angeles Times 9-24-99, page B8 TRADE DEFICIT $25.18 billion. That's 5 times more than Bill Gates lost=20 last week. It is the new one-month (July) record for largest=20 trade deficit in history. Japan & China ran for the biggest=20 profit at our expense. =20 Did=20 Someone in Washington Make a Deal With China? =20 ECONOMY =20 Pat Buchanan had this one right. After you get thru all=20 the propaganda how this is the best economy of all time,=20 what's left is the de-industrialization of this once great=20 nation. Followed to it's logical conclusion, we'll end up=20 supporting ourselves with money from the service industries,=20 private and public. Anybody think it is possible to survive=20 by waiting on each other and collecting taxes for it? MONOPOLIES The Justice Dept is making noises like it is going to=20 slow up the re-union of John D Rockefeller's former Standard=20 Oil subsidiaries, Exxon & Mobile. I'd feel a lot better=20 about that if I didn't know Ark Gov Rockefeller ran the=20 state when Clinton worked for Sen Fulbright. I suspect he is=20 still working for the Rockefellers. Does that sound too conspiracal? BRADLEY Bill Bradley sez he tried marijuana but not cocaine.=20 Sounds like he's pandering to the Clinton "I did not inhale"=20 constituency. JOBS 272,000 workers filed for unemployment benefits last=20 week, the fewest in 25 yrs. Must be a story behind those=20 numbers. I wonder what it is. How 'bout one factor being,=20 25 yrs ago it was easier to get a job "under-the-table"=20 while you collected unemployment benefits?=20 INFRASTRUCTURE Like most major cities, we have a major highway=20 construction program. Dallas has several, but this weeks=20 news is, the 9-year, $450 mil upgrade of I-35 will be=20 completed in Dec, ahead of schedule, and near budget. NASA Speaking of infra-structure, our Mars spacecraft that=20 NASA just reported MIA cost taxpayers $120M. Sometimes it=20 just doesn't pay to cut corners.=20 EDUCATION Every Texas public school teacher was given a $3,500 pay raise at the beginning of the semester. Grand Prairie=20 educators were given an addl $3,000 whether they had a=20 teaching certificate or not, on one condition. They must=20 speak fluent Tex-Mex. With all the extra pay, our teachers=20 will be smarter and I expect our SAT scores to soar next=20 year, don't you? And we owe it all to the smokers of=20 Texas, who will never be re-imbused after paying for=20 smoking-related illnesses. WEDGWOOD BAPTIST All video films of the shooting at Wedgwood have been=20 returned to the families. One of the picture takers who=20 didn't realize the attack was real, had his camcorder on=20 Larry Ashbrook, when the bullet(s) entered his body. It is=20 reported that the families destroyed the videos. Think any=20 dupes were made before the families copies were returned? HATE CRIMES The media sure got upset reporting how Texas didn't have=20 a hate crime law to prosecute the perps at Jasper. Fri, a=20 Texas jury condemned Lawrence Brewer, the 2nd of 3, to=20 death. What more could they want? How many times do they=20 want them killed? Mr. Shawn Elliot Berry will complete the=20 hat trick when his date with the needle is set. I guess=20 that's the last we hear from the media, until they protest=20 their eventual executions.=20 JUSTICE - OREGON STYLE I don't know if Oregon has a hate crime law, but Kip=20 Kinkel has pled guilty to killing his parents and 2 school=20 chums in Oregon. Despite the fact that he killed 3 more=20 people than the above trio, he can be a free man at age 42.=20 Now, if anyone wants to complain about weak laws, send your=20 complaint to the Gov of Oregon. Kip's crimes were 4 times=20 worse than the Jasper killing. (By the way, did you know=20 that it wasn't a random murder? James Byrd knew the guys now=20 on death row as fellow inmates? It's not pc to point that=20 out, you know.)=20 KATHIE'S KORNER How much of your daily routine is NOT regulated by the=20 government? You cannot name much, I'll wager. Your food is=20 regulated right down to the size of your bread loaf. Your=20 air and water are regulated, your transportation, your kids'=20 education, your home, your clothing. I wish I could offer a=20 prize to anyone who could come up with a list of 10=20 unregulated activities. I can think of five. 1. Reading, 2.=20 thinking, 3. smiling, 4. singing (the way I sing, it should=20 be a crime, but it isn't), and 5. praying. I engage myself=20 in these as often as possible, and I look forward to your=20 additions to the list. Pray and smile and sing for=20 America... while you still can. Reply to: fishrap@netdex.com REMEMBER THE GOOD OLE DAYS... when the USPS delivered mail twice a day, morning and=20 afternoon, to all residences. when penny post cards were. when it cost 2 cents to mail a letter, unless you sealed it.=20 Then you had to pay 3 cents. when everyone sent Christmas cards. when you could sit in the bleachers for one hr at minimum wage, the unreserved grandstand for 2 hrs, and the reserved=20 grandstand for 3 hours at minimum wage. Box seats cost=20 $4.50, equal to 6 hrs at the minimum wage. TEXAS JUSTICE When accused [wife] killer Patrick Richardson made bail,=20 $30,000, the Dallas prosecutors went to court and had it=20 raised to a million WITH a 24-hr hold, to allow them to=20 raise it further, if need be. He can expect to spend 15 to=20 18 mos behind bars waiting for his Constitutional right to a=20 speedy trial.=20 TEXAS COPS Outgoing Police Chief Click just triple demoted the=20 Dallas PD No. 3 man, Willard Rollins, over a fender bender=20 he didn't report, and assigned him jail night duty. But the=20 real stories are: 1) Rollins escaped any judicial punish- ment, and 2) as a captain he'll receive $20 - 30K less a=20 year. I guess cops can't claim they are underpaid any more.=20 BLONDE JOKES Hear any good Blondie jokes lately? Best of the lot will=20 be published in Blondie's 2YK calendar. Send your jokes to=20 BlondieJokes@egroups.com=20 To read same, send blank e-mail to BlondieJokes-subscribe@egroups.com=20 THIS SPACE FOR RENT Reliable Internet Access for only $14.95 a month. Over 550 access numbers in 21 States and growing. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Mad Max (fwd) Date: 26 Sep 1999 12:57:27 PST On Sep 26, Terry A. Hurlbut, III, MD wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Everyone: This morning (Sunday, September 26, 1999), at 11:30 a.m., the television station WHYY-TV, the Delaware Valley affiliate of the Public Broadcasting Service, aired one of its regular offerings, Tony Brown's Journal. For this segment, Mr. Brown had as his guest one Tyrone Powers, PhD, who was once, and not so very long ago either, Special Agent Powers of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Have a look at his background: a PhD in criminal justice, he has been with the FBI through all the recent Incidents which have of late caused many of us, including me, to question its reputation for integrity. He left the FBI after, among other reasons, some of his own colleagues raided the house of an elderly relative, who suffered a stroke on the strength of it. Mr. Brown began his segment by discussing individual civilian preparations for the Year Two Thousand problem, or Y2K for short. He stated that blacks are actually ahead of whites in the preparations they are making--though some might question whether they are prepared enough, even at that. And then he introduced Dr. Powers, who dropped a few--for lack of a better word--bombshells. The big one is that the FBI, the CIA, Naval Intelligence, and a host of other intelligence agencies are laying plans for mass arrests and forced relocations of inner-city residents, mainly black, should a Fall of Rome scenario (which they prefer to name "Mad Max," after the character in the series of post-nuclear horror films made by actor Mel Gibson) ensue. Apparently, their idea of the Fall of Rome would be that the power would go off and not return for half a year, or even throughout the entire year 2000. This would cause the blacks to start looting the local stores and/or rioting--for food and God knows what else--which in turn would "necessitate" a declaration of martial law by the President, the ratification of that state of martial law by Congress, and then the arrests of a whole bunch of people and their detention elsewhere. What is actually more chilling than that, is that Dr. Powers further alleges that the FBI's famous Counter-Intelligence Program (COINTELPRO) was never disbanded; its various pieces just got different names. Which means that the FBI has placed _agents provocateurs_ in the inner city. You can guess the type--the sort of "bro's" (and, for that matter, "hermanos") who would be all for talking about "big guns" and "action" (also spelled "accion"). Which means in turn that the FBI _wants_ riots and looting in the inner cities, just so they can round up a whole bunch of people and ship them away. Probably they look at it the same way as a doctor lancing a boil on someone's skin. Now the trouble with a forum like Tony Brown's Journal is that whites not of Hispanic origin will likely dismiss Tony Brown as "that black activist who wants to keep de goodies flowin' at whitey/gringo's expense"--and, as a larger problem, they will dismiss blacks' concerns, and Hispanics' concerns, about _provokatsiya_, mass arrests and all the rest of it, as something apart from whites' concerns. I dare say that plenty of my fellow whites would just _love_ to see a bunch of blacks and Hispanics shoved into open-bed trucks and trundled off to concentration camps, or something of that nature. I know, because when I was growing up during the turbulent Sixties, I felt exactly that way myself, seeing as I did a sea of angry faces belonging to persons not of my own race, who (a) wanted the Communists to win, not just in Viet Nam but here, too, and (b) would just as soon shoot me as look at me, just because _I_ was white and they were not. Well, Sun Tzu say, "Divide and conquer." More recently, a certain German said, "They came for the [fill-in-the-blank]s, but because I am not a [fill-in-the-blank] I did not speak up. Then they came for me, and by then there wasn't anyone left to speak up." And if that wasn't enough to make me think--_hard_--about certain people's attempts to drive wedges in this country in order to win votes--or to justify the unjustifiable when it comes to deadly force under cover of authority--then I can now cite the Ruby Ridge and Waco Incidents. Which--this may interest you to know--Tony Brown himself did. Specifically, Dr. Powers revealed that the Hostage Rescue Team is really the FBI's shock troops, and are only _called_ the Hostage Rescue Team as a euphemism. And Mr. Brown, for his part, definitely mentioned the presence of Delta Force at Waco--"They say they were there only as advisers, but we don't really know." (How amazing, that Tony Brown, who carries with him the reputation of being an antiwhite rabble-rouser, would so reach out and touch upon what might be construed, after all, as an exclusively _white_ concern. Mostly whites died at Waco, let us not forget.) So I look at those Mad Max plans, and I see myself riding in that open-bed prison-transport truck right along with those denizens of the inner city--if I do not act somehow to stop that truck before it even gets out of its garage. Unfortunately, Tony Brown's Journal transcripts are a little hard to get. Neither does Tony Brown have his own site. You might, however, be able to get a videotape of today's show by calling 1(800)524-3552, or writing to: Tony Brown Productions, Inc. 1501 Broadway, Suite 412 New York, NY 10036 Ask specifically for the show by its title ("Race and Y2K") or by its airdate (September 26, 1999). A few other random thoughts on what Tony Brown and his guest had to say: Apparently, blacks--so say the spooks to one another--have earned the reputation for being "emotional, and not intellectual." From which the spooks tell themselves that blacks are very likely to have a mass protest, but not think things through to any logical conclusion. In turn, they infer that the blacks are likely to have enough put by to last for three weeks--but after three months, they're going to start rioting, and looting, and so forth and so on. Well, I don't know about whether blacks actually deserve the reputation for emoting and not thinking. But _I_ can think. And what _I_ think amounts to: We're next! At the moment, I'm not sure what to recommend. Perhaps a few calls, letters, e-mails (if they take them), and/or FAXes to Congressmen and Senators might be in order. Perhaps just to ask them what about these allegations? And to let them know that we are not inclined to dismiss them just because they came from a "disgruntled black ex-agent who got out of the kitchen because he couldn't take the heat." Not after Waco, we're not! Beyond that--I'd say that our outreach into the inner city could stand some improvement. I certainly cannot condone looting or rioting--and, to his credit, Tony Brown closed his program by saying, in effect, "Don't do anything stupid, that would give them an excuse!" But I do say--as did the Gallic chieftain Vercingetorix, in his valiant effort to free his people from Roman (specifically, Caesarian) domination--that so long as we distinguish ourselves by color or race or national origin or whatever, and so long as we discriminate against one another on such flimsy bases, _we remain vulnerable!_ To be fair, I wasn't the first person to notice these things. I got the "Heads Up" to watch Tony Brown's program two days ago. Thank you again, whoever you are, if you happen to see this. I'm here to tell you that the Tony Brown program was every bit as explosive, and had information that was every bit as valuable, as you said. And to ask you to repeat the recommendations _you_ made at that time; the rest of us need to hear them and act on them, and to act aggressively, and _now._ Sincerely, Terry A. Hurlbut, III, MD [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Drop a Dime on Your Neighbor Date: 26 Sep 1999 15:17:51 -0500 (Or intended victim perhaps?? It seems to me we already have involuntary commitment laws, and laws making it illegal for those judged mentally incompetent to own firearms. Why do we need this, if those other laws were only utlized and enforced? Of course this law appears to violate basic due process, and would not always lead to a commitment, just a gun grab. Seems just another tool for unconstitutional (i.e.Unreasonable, warrant or no) searchs and seizures.) from: http://www.apbnews.com/newscenter/breakingnews/1999/09/25/gunlaw0925_01.html (this is a "Cop" site FWIW) Conn. Law Seeks to Disarm Dangerous Gun Owners Aimed at Those On a 'Descent Into Madness' Sept. 25, 1999 HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) -- Before Columbine High School, before the Atlanta day trader offices, before the Jewish community center in Los Angeles, there was Matthew Beck. Beck's suicidal shooting spree at the Connecticut Lottery headquarters in March 1998 had state lawmakers considering ways to prevent such rampages well before this year's bloody toll began to mount. In October, a new state law will allow police to take guns away from people considered an immediate danger to themselves or others. It is rooted in the notion that rampages such as Beck's are often preceded by a detectable descent into madness. Critics of the law brand it a "turn-in-your-neighbor" statute. Supporters say the standards for seizing someone's guns are so high that the law will seldom be used. First law of its kind Either way, Connecticut's law -- apparently the first of its kind -- is attracting attention as governments cope with the steady stream of school and workplace shootings. The law allows any state prosecutor or two police officers to ask a judge for a warrant to take guns away from someone believed to be an immediate threat. The warrant could be issued only after a police investigation concludes there is no other way to keep the person from doing harm. In deciding whether to issue the warrant, a judge must have evidence that the person recently tortured animals, threatened to kill himself or others, or acted violently. If guns are seized, a hearing must be held within 14 days to determine whether they should be returned. A threat carried out Beck had threatened to kill co-workers at the lottery several days before his March 8, 1998, rampage. He killed four supervisors before firing a bullet into his own head. "The people who worked with Matthew Beck were so nervous about him that one of them started bringing a gun to work for his own protection," said Rep. Michael Lawlor, the law's sponsor. "If he called the cops and said Beck was talking about guns and making threats, something could have been done before the shooting happened." More than mere suspicion is needed to put the law in motion, said Connecticut State Police Lt. Robert Kiehm. "You need probable cause just to begin an investigation," he said. "But it gives police officers the power to take some proactive steps instead of waiting for something to happen." Guns could be confiscated within hours Yet, if the law applies only when someone is an "imminent" threat, how much time do police have to conduct an investigation? "Depending on the severity of the situation, it could be done in several hours," Kiehm said. Rep. Richard Tulisano, a Democrat who was one of the most vocal opponents of the law, said the legislation will lead to hasty searches and bogus arrests. "Now police can say, 'We saw you kick a dog peeing on your petunias, so now we could go in your house and look for guns because you might be dangerous,"' Tulisano said. "What happens if they're looking for guns and they find drugs? This law becomes the basis for which people could invade your home." Other states looking at law Legislators in other states say the law's strength is its focus on prevention. The Columbine High School massacre in Littleton, Colo., prompted lawmakers in that state to withdraw proposals to make it easier to carry concealed weapons. "There are certainly situations where this law will save lives," said Rep. Ken Gordon, the Colorado House Minority Leader and a proponent of gun control measures. Steven Duke, a Yale University law professor, disagrees. Duke doubts the law would have prevented frustrated investor Mark O. Barton from killing nine people at two brokerage firms in Atlanta in July, or stopped Alan Eugene Miller, who allegedly killed three people at offices in Columbiana, Ala., in August. "What guy who wants to shoot somebody is really going to be deterred because his pet weapon has been confiscated?" Duke said. Opponents have argued that the law could be manipulated. The 'turn in your neighbor' law "Someone, anyone, can go to the police, state their belief (that) you are a danger, and they can take your guns away," said Alan Caruba, who posts his opinions on legislation and media coverage on the National Anxiety Center, a New Jersey-based Internet website. "Then there's a hearing in which you are essentially guilty until proven innocent. It's not gun control. It's the turn-in-your-neighbor law." Critics say authorities should rely on the state's civil commitment statutes if someone poses a threat to society. But in order to have someone committed and held against their will for more than 48 hours, the state must prove the person has a psychological disability. The new law allows police to take swifter action, Lawlor said. The legislation appeals to Rep. Tom Dart, a Chicago Democrat in the Illinois Legislature. Illinois next? "The thing that frustrates me is that when they're pulling bodies out of a house, neighbors are telling the police 'Yeah, the guy who shot them was nuts -- we all knew that,"' Dart said. "But everyone says that there's nothing that they could have done to stop the shooting." Dart said he will use the Connecticut law as the model for a proposal of his own in November. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Waco Meets The Kennewick Man (fwd) Date: 26 Sep 1999 16:46:46 PST On Sep 26, Carol A. Valentine wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] In 1996, a 9,300 year-old skeleton was found on the banks of the Columbia River, near Kennewick, Washington. Called the Kennewick Man, this ancient gentleman is thought to have been a Caucasian. You can read more about the Kennewick Man here: http://www.runestone.org/ and http://www.runestone.org/kmlinks.html The Kennewick Man has upset many politically correct applecarts. Why? He indicates that whites may have predated the American Indians as inhabitants of this country: Out the window, perhaps, goes part of a campaign to shame white Americans into subservience for stealing the land from "native" Americans. There is no doubt where the US government stands in the controversy. The US Army Corps of Engineers, which owned the property on which the remains were found, dumped tons of fill onto the site. They want no more research. The Corps wants to give the Kennewick Man to the Indians to be buried as an Indian. Two years ago some private citizens filed a law suit against the government, seeking to stop the internment. Among the plaintiffs is Dr. Douglas Owsley, division head of physical anthropology for the Smithsonian Institution's Museum of Natural History. http://x34.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=438607284 But Dr. Owsley's history shows he is a government man, and a dangerous man. Can he be trusted in Kennewick? Look what Owsley did in Waco. Recall that the FBI issued public statements that the Branch Davidians had killed each other and set themselves on fire on April 19, 1993. Given that the Mt. Carmel Center was (allegedly) the scene of a mass murder/suicide, highest professional standards should have been used to recover the bodies. Procedures for recovering bodies in a crime scene are of utmost importance. The environment in which bodies are recovered is packed with evidence of the time, circumstances, and cause of death, essential in murder investigations. http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_hb.html Dr. Owsley is trained in these methods. In fact the Smithsonian Institution's anthropology department has had a long standing relationship with the FBI for decades, ostensibly helping the FEB solve crimes and identify victims. Dr. Owsley's colleague, Dr. Douglas Ubelaker (the curator of anthropology at the National Museum of Natural History at the Smithsonian), has written a popular book on the work of forensic anthropologists ("Bones, A Forensic Detectives Casebook," Edward Burlingame Books, 1992.) The dustjacket tells us Dr. Ubelaker is a top consultant to the FBI. Says Ubelaker: "A smart detective knows how much may be learned from the environment in which a body has been found," (pg. 105). Both Dr. Owsley and Dr. Ubelaker were sent to Waco to help the locals recover the bodies of the Branch Davidians from the ruins of Mt. Carmel. http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_hf.html But instead of using world-recognized professional standards in recovering the bodies, Drs. Owsley and Ubelaker participated in the gross mishandling of the remains. Their acts of commission and omission make them full participants in the cover-up of the Waco Holocaust in its most heinous aspect: The murders of the mothers and children. Now, the details: Among forensic anthropologists, utmost emphasis is placed on examination of human remains at the site of discovery or "in situ." Once the relationship between the remains and the environment has been disturbed, it cannot be created again with accuracy, writes Dr. Ubelaker (pg. 107). Another well known forensic anthropologist, William Maples, echoes Dr. Ubelaker's words. In his book "Dead Men Do Tell Tales," Dr. Maples writes of a murder case in Florida. The sheriff's department had found remains at a burned out shack and mistakenly thought Dr. Maples was out of the country. A technician was sent out to pick up the remains. Dr. Maples laments: "If only I had been called in just two days sooner! The Alachua County Sheriff's Department thought I was out of the country, in Peru, and unreachable; in fact I had just returned to the United States the morning before the remains were discovered. I could easily have gone out to the burned shack and seen the remains in situ. Instead, an investigator from the medical examiner's office carefully gathered up every single bone fragment she could find . . . "When I finally opened the vinyl bag I was overwhelmed. Inside, totally commingled and crushed, were approximately ten thousand bone fragments . . . as matters stood, the remains had been jumbled twice, once by the fire and again by the evidence technician." (Maples, pgs. 151-152) Maples describes the great care he took in recovering bodies in a grave in Fort Myers, Florida: "The corpses would have to be disinterred very carefully if a case were to be made against their murderers. The details of the crime would have to be reconstructed from the stratigraphic evidence of the scene." Dr. Maples took great care to make sure that happened. ". . . In those days I was having some back trouble. I found it excruciating to stoop over these corpses for hours on end. I compromised by crawling down into the hole and lying alongside the bodies, digging them out while lying next to them, face to face . . ." The care with which the murder victims were excavated demonstrated that the victim buried deepest had been shot last (Maples, pgs. 57-58 and photo caption). According to government's testimony, Owsley was brought to Waco to help recover the bodies, http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_hf.html In the cases presented below, please note that all these bodies were found in the concrete room, an old records storage room that the Branch Davidians used as a pantry. You can see a picture of the concrete room (after the fire) at: http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/fig/d_fig07.jpg And you can see a diagram showing the locations of the bodies at: http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/map/d_map01.html We might have expected Dr. Owsley, like Dr. Maples, to be there recovering the bodies in situ, bending down over the corpses, digging them out with painstaking care, taking notes and recording the most minute details of stratigraphic evidence. He should have carefully noted any anomalous placement of body parts. "A smart detective knows how much may be learned from the environment in which a body has been found." Now let's look at what he did instead. * Cyrus Howell Koresh. Cyrus Howell Koresh (Doe 67-2) was the eight-year-old son of David and Rachel Koresh. Owsley's name appears on Cyrus's Autopsy Report. According this report (pg. 3) Dr. Owsley did the anthropological examination. http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/67-2/67-2_aut.html Now look at page 2 of the Autopsy Report for Doe 67-2. It says that Cyrus probably died of suffocation as a result of structural collapse. But the structure in which Cyrus's body was found did not collapse, as you have already seen in http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/fig/d_fig07.jpg So Cyrus could not have possibly died in the structural collapse of a building that had not collapsed. According to testimony in the 1994 trial of the Branch Davidians, recovery workers and a Texas Ranger were in the concrete room day after day removing bodies. Owsley could have been there, too, if he had wanted. http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_lc.html But there is no mention that Owsley (or Ubelaker) ventured into the concrete room themselves. Of course they should have been there to recover and examine the remains in situ. So Dr. Owsley's name on an Autopsy Report authenticates the false statement of the cause of death in the report (suffocation due to structural collapse.) There are several other problems with Dr. Owsley's signing off on Cyrus's Autopsy Report. Cyrus's head was missing. A structural collapse, even if it had happened, would ensure the head would remain in place. Owsley training as a forensic anthropologist would have led him to ask questions about the missing head, too, whether or not he was in the concrete room during recovery. Here's another problem with Dr. Owsley's signature: Cyrus's remains were found in an agglutinated mass, fused together with 10 other bodies of persons who had variously died of smoke inhalation, suffocation, and gunshot wounds. " . . . There were several other bodies that were intertwined that we just couldn't separate without tearing them up. And so, they were all packaged in one body bag and given numbers by the medical examiner later on," a Texas Ranger testified in 1994. (Transcript, pg. 935). Speaking of the commingled remains, the May 1, 1993 Dallas Morning News quotes Judge James Collier, Justice of the Peace for the Mt. Carmel Center district: "They were all in a mingle with one another. I was in the funeral business for 40 years, and I never saw anything like this. This is the worst because of the sheer numbers of it. It's mind boggling." How did the remains of all these people become fused together? There is no record in the Autopsy Report that Dr. Owsley raised this most interesting question. * Bobbie Lane Howell Koresh * Bobbie Lane was the one-year old baby of David and Rachael Koresh. Bobbie Lane's remains were shattered and found at sites approximately two feet apart in the concrete room. Hence Bobbie Lane has two Autopsy Report. (Doe 69 and Doe 67-5.) http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/67-5/67-5_aut.html The recovery workers were unaware at the time the remains were gathered that the body parts belonged to one person, and hence two separate numbers were assigned as the remains were collected. Dr. Owsley's name appears on both Autopsy Reports (pg. 4 of Doe 67-5 and pg. 5 of Doe 69) as having performed the anthropological examination. Doe 69 consisted of a nearly complete skull and jaw (the jaw had to be reconstructed), wavy medium brown hair, and a partial torso. Doe 67-5 was recovered from that same agglutinated mass from which Cyrus's remains emanated. Doe 67-5 consisted of a right foot, upper and lower legs, pelvis bones, and a right hand with attached lower arm. Was Dr. Owsley on the scene to recover the body of Bobbie Lane, as professional standards require? The Autopsy Report for Doe 67-5 says the remains were "presented to the County Morgue co-mingled with other bodies in the 'Bunker' with sorting performed by Dr. Owsley." So apparently Owsley stayed in the morgue, passive, waiting for the body bags to arrive, and then sorted the bones. Quite a deviation from those professional standards! There is no record in the Autopsy Report that Dr. Owsley addressed the question of how Bobbie Lane's body was found in separate pieces, two feet apart. Nor is there an explanation of why Bobbie Lane's body was left rotting in the elements and was not recovered until April 27-29. Star Howell Koresh Star Howell (Doe 67-1) was the six-year-old daughter of David and Rachel Koresh. Star's shattered remains were found in the agglutination mass in the concrete room, along with Cyrus and part of Bobbie Lane. Dr. Owsley's name appears on this Autopsy Report as having performed the anthropological examination, but there is no record of him recovering the remains in situ. What a shame he did not offer an opinion on why the body was found shattered, or why the body was allowed to rot in the elements before recovery on April 27-29. http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/67-1/67-1_aut.html (see pg. 5 for Dr. Owsley's name.) Hollywood Sylvia Dr. Owsley name appears on the Autopsy Report of remains identified as those of one year old Hollywood Sylvia, Doe 67-4. "Body is presented to the County Morgue co-mingled with other bodies in the 'Bunker' with sorting performed by Dr. Owsley. . . " (pg. 3) http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/67-4/67-4_aut.html The corpse weighed only 3.9 lbs, and it was so decomposed it was impossible to tell whether the sex organs were male or female. The child allegedly died on April 19, and the body allowed to rot in the concrete room until April 27-29. "Advanced postmortem decomposition," says the Autopsy Report. No doubt. But even so, the April weather in Texas is not hot. Why was the corpse so decomposed before Dr. Owsley started sorting the bones in the morgue? What a shame he wasn't there doing his exam in situ, as professional standards dictate, and what a shame he was not curious enough to ask any tough questions from his comfortable chair in the morgue. Paiges Gent Paiges Gent (Doe 64) was a baby girl. "The separated body parts are presented for autopsy wrapped in a white sheet." Body parts include "separated skull with disarticulated mandible. The skull is incomplete with missing occipital and left temporal bones . . . Separated and decomposing fragments of scalp are also present with long blond hair. . . . large mass of soft tissue and viscera with co-mingled ribs, vertebrae, scapulae, sternum and most of the bones of the extremities . . ." Paiges body was extracted from the agglutinated mass found in the concrete room. Dr. Owsley is listed as having done the anthropological examination. Was Dr. Owsley at the scene to recover the body? The Autopsy Report says: "Body is presented to County Morgue co-mingled with other bodies in the 'Bunker' with sorting performed by Dr. Owsley." http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/64/64_aut.html (see pg. 3) Again, no explanation for the shattered remains, and no explanation of how Paiges's body became agglutinated to the remains of 10 others. Dr. Owsley, where were you when America needed you? Melissa Morrison Melissa Morrison was about eight when she died at Mt. Carmel. Her Autopsy Report (Doe 74) reveals that only her lower legs were found. Dr. Owsley was joined by Dr. Ubelaker in the "anthropological examination" for this victim (pg. 3). No explanation of the state of the remains. What happened to the rest of her body? http://www.Public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/74/74_aut.html Indeed, a trained forensic anthropologist like Dr. Owsley should have become curious about the entire forensic scene in the concrete room. Some bodies found in the concrete room were virtually incinerated--puzzling, in that the Mt. Carmel fire lasted only 45 minutes. Other bodies found a short distance away in the same room were only slightly charred. In other cases, entire sections of bodies had been burned away, but the remaining sections were variously described as moist, liquefied, or badly decomposed. Some bodies were whole and easily recognizable as human forms. Others, as we have seen, were mutilated, dismembered, or shattered. In the concrete room we find heads without trunks, trunks without heads, limbs without trunks. John Bean (Doe 32), a man whose remains were found in the concrete room, was found without a head, arms, or legs. His extremities appear to have been cut cleanly from the trunk, as if with a mechanical saw. And no, tanks did not go into the concrete room and destroy the bodies. The door of the room was less than four feet wide, and undamaged after the April 19, 1993 fire. The bodies of the women and children found in the concrete room bear the marks of purposeful destruction by the murderers. The US government does not believe these Davidians were murdered by other Davidians, since no Davidians have been charged and the evidence at the crime scene destroyed. The lack of indictments and the mishandling of the forensic evidence speaks volumes about the identities of the murderers. They are in fact a public acknowledgement by the US that the US committed the murders. The fact that Dr. Owsley did not apply the standards of his profession also speaks volumes. He did not recover the bodies in situ. He sat in the morgue and waited for the body bags to arrive, sorted the bones, and never asked any questions. Then he allowed his name to be placed on Autopsy Reports which he must have known contained lies about the causes of death. Douglas Owsley must have known he was cooperating in the cover-up of murder of dozens of innocent mothers and children and he must have suspected the identity of the murderers. Authors Christopher Joyce and Eric Stover describe the death machine in Argentina under the military junta: "In most cases . . . military or police squads delivered the bodies of their victims to municipal morgues, where the police surgeon gave them a brisk examination. Many morgue workers were well aware of the atrocities committed around them. Army trucks would arrive at morgues late at night, carrying bodies, often mutilated and bearing signs of torture. Officers ordered the morgue workers not to perform autopsies and simply register the bodies as 'N.N.' for 'no name.' These were usually buried in unmarked graves . . . " (Witnesses From the Grave, Little, Brown & Co., 1991 pg. 224). Argentina has come to the United States. It came to Waco in the persons of the Smithsonian anthropology team. With his record of cooperating with the murderers of the Branch Davidian mothers and children, should we trust Douglas Owsley, Ph. D. in the Kennewick Man controversy? You jest . . . Carol A. Valentine President Public-Action.Inc. http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter Copyright, September, 1999 May be reproduced for non-commerical purposes. === Carol A. Valentine President, Public Action, Inc. Have you seen the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum? See what they did to the mothers and children-- http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter "In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Article forwarded to you from a friend (fwd) Date: 30 Sep 1999 08:35:07 PST I'll note that most Police are good folks, but their appointed leadership and the National organizations they've created, are not allways our friends. I haven't checked this site out yet, but it could have stuff from both sorts, so be aware. On Sep 27, referred@apbonline.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] fred connolly (assetnj@aol.com) has forwarded the following article to you from APBnews.com. Click on the address below to view the article: http://www.apbnews.com/cjsystem/1999/09/24/shooter0924_01.html?stf.mail fred connolly also adds the following message: Finally, a PRO gun story APBnews.com (http://www.apbnews.com) is the source for police and crime news, information and entertainment. APB 911 E-mail Alert subscribers can get up-to-the-minute details on the latest police and crime news and developments. Sign up for APB 911 E-mail Alerts at http://www.apbnews.com/email/index.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "." Subject: Re: Article forwarded to you from a friend (fwd) Date: 30 Sep 1999 11:28:46 -0700 I think you are living in the "good old days." I have never seen a police officer on the witness stand who did not lie through his teeth. I have never seen a police officer who thought that his first duty was to uphold the Constitution (or who had even READ the document since high school). I have never seen a police officer who was more concerned over my exercise of free speech than someone else's "being bothered" by it. As a friend of mine is wont to say, "If there were good cops, there would be no bad cops." -----Original Message----- >I'll note that most Police are good folks, but their appointed leadership >and the National organizations they've created, are not allways our friends. >I haven't checked this site out yet, but it could have stuff from both >sorts, so be aware. > >On Sep 27, referred@apbonline.com wrote: > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > >fred connolly (assetnj@aol.com) has forwarded the following article to you >from APBnews.com. Click on the address below to view the article: > >http://www.apbnews.com/cjsystem/1999/09/24/shooter0924_01.html?stf.mail > >fred connolly also adds the following message: >Finally, a PRO gun story > >APBnews.com (http://www.apbnews.com) is the source for police and crime >news, information and entertainment. APB 911 E-mail Alert subscribers can >get up-to-the-minute details on the latest police and crime news and >developments. Sign up for APB 911 E-mail Alerts at >http://www.apbnews.com/email/index.html > >[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! >----------------+----------+--------------------------+-------------------- - >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >----------------+----------+--------------------------+-------------------- - > >- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Article forwarded to you from a friend (fwd) Date: 30 Sep 1999 14:39:52 -0400 The cops where I live (in my town) in New Hampshire are for the most part, good guys. From what I hear the chief signs Class 3 applications on the spot if the person requesting has a NH pistol permit. One of the officers on the force is one of John Farnham's instructor helpers when Farnham is in the area, and they seem to be respectful of others and to support gun rights generally. Maybe big city cops are as described, but there are a lot of cops in the country who are good decent folk. (One of the Lieutenants in Salt Lake City, when I lived there, even went to DC to testify in front of Congress in favor of gun rights, much to his chief's unhappiness) Best Chad --On Thursday, September 30, 1999, 11:28 AM -0700 "." wrote: > I think you are living in the "good old days." I have never seen a police > officer on the witness stand who did not lie through his teeth. I have > never seen a police officer who thought that his first duty was to uphold > the Constitution (or who had even READ the document since high school). I > have never seen a police officer who was more concerned over my exercise > of free speech than someone else's "being bothered" by it. > As a friend of mine is wont to say, "If there were good cops, there would > be no bad cops." > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Vance > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 9:00 AM > Subject: Article forwarded to you from a friend (fwd) > > >> I'll note that most Police are good folks, but their appointed leadership >> and the National organizations they've created, are not allways our > friends. >> I haven't checked this site out yet, but it could have stuff from both >> sorts, so be aware. >> >> On Sep 27, referred@apbonline.com wrote: >> >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message > follows --------------------] >> >> fred connolly (assetnj@aol.com) has forwarded the following article to >> you from APBnews.com. Click on the address below to view the article: >> >> http://www.apbnews.com/cjsystem/1999/09/24/shooter0924_01.html?stf.mail >> >> fred connolly also adds the following message: >> Finally, a PRO gun story >> >> APBnews.com (http://www.apbnews.com) is the source for police and crime >> news, information and entertainment. APB 911 E-mail Alert subscribers >> can get up-to-the-minute details on the latest police and crime news and >> developments. Sign up for APB 911 E-mail Alerts at >> http://www.apbnews.com/email/index.html >> >> [------------------------- end of forwarded > message ------------------------] >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> --- > - >> RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** > RKBA! >> ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------------- >> --- > - >> An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath >> no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell >> his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and >> buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | >> sword.--Jesus > Christ >> ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------------- >> --- > - >> >> - >> > > > - > Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC Web and Macintosh Consulting -- full service web hosting Chad Leigh chad@pengar.com chad@shire.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FW: REP. SCHAFFER SPEECH ON DNC CHAIRMAN'S PRAISE OF COMMUNIST CH Date: 30 Sep 1999 12:11:09 PST Well, well, looks like a Gun Grabbing Mayor just came out of the closet..... On Sep 30, Graham, Brandi wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > REP. SCHAFFER SPEECH > > ON DNC CHAIRMAN'S > > RAISE OF COMMUNIST > > CHINA > "Do you think other Democrats denounced Rendell's celebration of communist > rule? > > WASHINGTON, D.C. -- U.S. Congressman Bob Schaffer (R-CO) today delivered > the following speech on the floor of the House of Representatives. > > "Two hundred and twenty-three years ago, the Declaration of > Independence was signed in Philadelphia. But just five days ago, there > was a different sort of revolt on the steps of Philadelphia's City Hall. > > A crowd of citizens gathered there to protest a far more pernicious > kind of tyranny than that which confronted the Founders themselves. > > It seems that the city's mayor, Ed Rendell, convened a "celebration" > to honor and commemorate "fifty years of communist rule in the People's > Republic of China," -- that according to the Philadelphia Enquirer. > > Now, Mayor Rendell is a Democrat. In fact, he's a prominent one. > Do you think other Democrats denounced Rendell's celebration of communist > rule? Did they reprimand him for praising the very regime which today > points 13 nuclear weapons at our country? Did they cry out about the > communist destruction of human dignity and human rights? No? > > Last week, Democrats made Rendell chairman of their party -- head of > the Democratic National Committee. I'm not making this up Mr. Speaker. > > What's next? Will Chairman Rendell print his party's platform in > little red books?" > > # # # > Congressman Schaffer was first elected to Congress in November of 1996. > He is a member of the Agriculture Committee, the Resources Committee and > the Education and the Workforce Committee. He is Vice Chairman of the > Education Subcommittee on Early Childhood, Youth and Families, Chairman of > the Western Caucus Water Working Group, Co-Chair of the Western Water > Caucus and President of the Republican Sophomore Class. 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