> (presumably referring to the radar track of the missile body
specifically and other "evidence" in general of its passage), I would have
said that the radar evidence of the second missile body after impact would
not be as graphic/relatively detetable as the passage through the aircraft
of the first missile body since the breakup due to the first missile would
have produced a lot of additional airfact debris that would obscure the
primary radar returns from the second missile body and the debris
associated with its impact on the aircraft.
Note that the positions of both the first surface boat to fire and the
second surface boat to fire (per the radar returns) are such that both
surface boats lunached relatively close to the time that TWA800 was at its
closest point of approach to each surface boat (the time to fire given the
very high speed of the missile relatively to the 747. Note, too, that to
insure at least one hit, the "triangulation" fire by the two surface boats
is the way to go (e.g., not just that you need to have more than one
shooter for a high kill probability, but also it's better to have your
shooters spread out in azimuth either side of the target's ground track
and ahead of the aircraft that is the target.
Warm regards,
Hugh Sprunt
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Re: S486 (fwd)
Date: 05 Jan 2000 12:51:06 PST
On Jan 5, Jim Zoes wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
------------------------
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: S486
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:30:37 -0500 (EST)
To: fap@europe.std.com
> Gary writes:
> > ...
> >It will make it illegal to talk about ANY controlled substance, which
> >includes marijuana.
>
> That's not what it says:
> >
> >"(A)........or to distribute by any means information pertaining to, in
> >whole or in part, the manufacture of a controlled substance, with the
> >intent that the teachin, demonstration, or information be used for, or
> ^^^^^^
> >in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime; or
> >
> >"(B)........to teach or demonstrate to any person the manufacture of a
> >controlled substance, or to distribute to any person, by any means,
> >information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture of a
> >controlled substance, knowing that such person intends to use the
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >teaching, demonstration or information for, or in furtherance of, an
> >activity that contitutes a Federal crime.
> > ...
>
> So first of all this talk/information must be about the "manufacture"
> (i.e. advocacy isn't included) and also there must be intent.
> --
> --henry schaffer
>
Doesn't matter if it's about the "manufacture" or what the "intent" is. If
this law stands, then sure as shooting some gun grabber will want a law to
prohibit the disscussion of firearms, the use of firearms, and firearms and
politics.
>From the so-called "HCI Master Plan" at Jeff Chan's archive:
" 31 Making unlawful the assembly of more than 4 _armed_ individuals who
are not peace offers [sic] or military
Since most hunting parties consist of four, we recognize the need
to eliminate the currently legal assembly of shooters for
paramilitary training on private lands. This is just one good
suggestion for our elimination of the "gun culture" from the
mainstream."
And
" _Control of Dangerous literature (Bomb making, machinegun conversions,
etc.)_
Too much irresponsible material is purportedly covered by the 1st
amendment, however, the time will come when our nation has to agree
that some literature does not belong in a safe society, like
instruction manuals on how to kill, or how to make homemade
explosives, or nuclear bombs. We must realize that there can be
such as thing as too much freedom where such literature poses a
serious threat to the public safety."
If we sit back on our duffs and let this one become law, then we're going to
face a time when THIS email list becomes illegal.
Political correctness = censorship.
Gun control = victimization.
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weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Re: GSL> Fw: DNC Gun Poll (fwd)
Date: 05 Jan 2000 20:02:20 PST
On Jan 5, C. D. Tavares wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
>This one is directly from the DNC.
>You know what to do. Charge!
>
>www.democrats.org
Cleverly, they don't tell you the results. So they can claim
anything they want, I guess.
--
Tavares@alum.mit.edu | http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares | RKBA!
Who can protest and does not, is an accomplice in the act.
-- THE TALMUD
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weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [slick-d] And These Need To Be Sent To All, PROOF POSITIVE TO AMERICA (fwd)
Date: 05 Jan 2000 21:23:01 PST
On Jan 5, DSlatton@aol.com wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
Wednesday January 5 6:41 PM ET
Clinton Scandal Documents to Be Put on Internet
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Documents from the sex scandal that led to the
impeachment of President Clinton in connection with his affair with Monica
Lewinsky will be posted in their entirety on the Internet next week, a
leading publisher said on Wednesday.
Random House said that the documents -- used extensively by one of its
authors, Jeffrey Toobin, in his new book on the scandal -- would be available
next Tuesday, Jan. 11, at http://www.vastconspiracy.com.
In a brief interview, Toobin said none of the documents had been available in
their entirety before, including the full text of Paula Jones' affidavit
describing the ``distinguishing characteristics'' of Clinton's private parts.
Jones, whose sexual harassment suit against Clinton brought the Lewinsky
affair to light, alleged that Clinton exposed himself to her at a Little
Rock, Arkansas hotel in 1991 when he was Arkansas governor. Clinton denied
that allegation.
Toobin, a New Yorker magazine writer and ABC legal analyst, obtained access
to the documents while researching his new book, ``A Vast Conspiracy: The
Real Story of the Sex Scandal that Nearly Brought Down a President,'' which
will also be published on Jan. 11.
The Republican-led House of Representatives in December 1998 impeached
Clinton on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice stemming from his
affair with Lewinsky. The Senate in February 1999 acquitted Clinton.
Random House said that the documents to be posted were:
-- Full text of Paula Jones affidavit concerning Clinton's ''distinguishing
characteristics'' dated May 26, 1994.
-- Affidavit by Arkansas State Trooper Ronald Anderson in connection with
Jones vs. Clinton Nov. 15, 1994.
-- Text of E-mail from George Conway, supporter of Paula Jones, to Internet
journalist Matt Drudge, concerning Clinton's ''distinguishing
characteristics'' dated Oct. 8, 1997.
-- Unexpurgated deposition of Paula Jones in Jones v. Clinton Nov. 13, 1997
-- Transcript of surreptitious tape recording of interview with Juanita
Broaddrick by investigator for Paula Jones on Nov. 13, 1997. Broaddrick
accused Clinton of raping her in 1978, a charge that the White House denied.
-- Transcript of secret court hearing on Jan. 12, 1998 in Jones v. Clinton.
-- Unexpurgated deposition of Clinton in Jones V. Clinton, Jan. 17, 1998.
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [slick-d] [Fwd: Officials, counties sued over oaths] (fwd)
Date: 06 Jan 2000 13:37:46 PST
A possibly useful tactic, but research sould be needed to see just who is/
isn't compliant in what State/County etc.
On Jan 06, D. D. wrote:
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Hmmmmm
;-)>
Officials, counties sued over oaths
California lawsuit claims many hold office fraudulently
By: Julie Foster
WorldNetDaily.com
Key government officials, including California Attorney General Bill
Lockyer, are currently being served a complaint filed in the United
States District Court in Oakland, Calif., claiming the defendants have
no right to act with the authority of law since they did not properly
file their oaths of office. According to the California State
Constitution and federal law, late filing renders the office vacant and
requires immediate removal of the elected official.
Greg Willis filed the suit after years of research, during which he
uncovered the fact that California Governor Gray Davis, Attorney General
Bill Lockyer and 38 individuals in four California counties had filed
their oaths too late. The legal consequences of late filing are
drastic.
Once the office-holder is removed, all actions taken in an official
capacity are considered null and void, any wages or other payments
received by the official are to be paid back in full and the official
may be subject to a prison term.
Willis' complaint is simple: "Why is it that public officials force
us to comply with the law, but they see themselves as above the law?"
In an exclusive WorldNetDaily interview, Willis expressed frustration
with a government that employs such a brazen legal double standard. The
lawsuit is a means of fighting back in a system that he believes has
exceeded its boundaries.
"What would happen if you didn't pay your car registration in time?"
asks Willis. "You can't drive that car!"
"In my opinion, this is the most important lawsuit ever filed in the
history of the great state of California, because we want to settle once
and for all whether or not these public officials are required to comply
with the same laws as the rest of us," he continued. "We have deadlines
or we don't have a civilization. We have to have limits."
Willis' attorney, Jeff Greenwald, agrees, saying that this case is
about the rule of law.
"It may sound technical, it may sound trivial, but it's not," he told
WorldNetDaily. "[The defendants] are not going to sit down and take
this lightly."
While Greenwald admits that he does not know what the defendants will
do in response to the case, he does have his theories. Retroactive
legislation may be attempted to excuse late or absent oaths of office.
The legislation may take the form of an extended time period for
compliance, or it may simply require all future elected officials to
file their oaths with the secretary of state in the time prescribed by
law -- 30 days from the issuance of a certificate of election.
Another escape route for delinquent officials could be the
declaration by the federal court that statutes relating to the filing of
an oath of office within 30 days are directional rather than
jurisdictional -- meaning that the statutes are merely a recommendation
instead of a mandate.
That tactic has been used frequently by the courts in order to get
government entities out of sticky legal situations. However, such a
declaration may be more difficult to come by in this case, as
directional statutes have been declared so only if they do not contain
consequences for lack of action. The failure to file an oath of office
in a timely manner clearly contains ramifications, the first of which is
removal from office.
"They're going to be terrified, because the implications of this are
so complex and far-reaching," said Greenwald, who has requested a jury
trial.
Defendants in the case may see the loss of their jobs and the
reversal of their professional actions, but the real fear is loss of
official immunity. Government officials are immune to lawsuits
concerning actions in their official capacities. Should Willis' lawsuit
succeed, however, the court would deem the 38 individuals named as
defendants as never having held office, and, as such, they would not
then be under the cover of immunity.
The lawsuit will be followed by federal quo warranto actions against
every defendant now working for the state of California or Alameda or
Contra Costa counties. A quo warranto is a legal demand to produce
proof of credentials -- in this case, to provide a certified copy of a
timely-filed oath of office.
Quo warranto actions are "unique in American jurisprudence, as the
plaintiff doesn't have to prove anything," said Greg Nichols, a teacher
who has traveled up and down the state of California informing civil
rights groups about the oath of office.
"All [the defendant] would have to do is go down to the secretary of
state's office, get a certified copy of the oath and show it off in the
court and be done with it," he said.
However, a quo warranto action can only be filed with the approval of
the attorney general, a condition that is unique to California, and one
that has prevented previous attempts by Nichols and Willis to bring such
actions against officials in the past. This time the writs will come
from the federal level, which allows Willis to circumvent California's
roadblock to the process.
WorldNetDaily contacted Assistant Attorney General Rodney Lilyquist,
head of Lockyer's opinion department who had told Willis he could not
file a quo warranto action in California, to comment on the case.
Lilyquist told WND that he could not comment without seeing the
complaint, but when WND informed Lilyquist that he is named as a
defendant in the case, the assistant attorney general had more to say.
"He is wrong on that one," said Lilyquist, incredulously, referring
to Willis' inclusion of him in the suit. "He doesn't know where the
oaths are supposed to be filed."
Lilyquist has yet to file even a delinquent oath of office.
Nichols, who has assisted Willis in his research leading up to the
suit, said, "Of all the people I've taught to do this, very few have had
the guts to do it."
Willis is one of those few.
"I'm doing this primarily for my kids, but also for everybody in the
state of California," said Willis.
He simply wants to know, "Are we a nation of laws, or are we a nation
of petty little dictators?"
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: DNC Vote Fraud
Date: 07 Jan 2000 09:35:58 PST
I've sent the following off to Rush Limbaugh, , but as I've
never seen any result from previous messages there, I don't know if any of
those messages arrived. If you have had a good result getting through, feel
free to forward the following message:
Most Internet Polls use a basic format. You pick the choice that most
closely matches the way you want the vote to go, click on the, "Vote",
button, and you are then switched to a page that shows the current talley and
percentages of the vote. The current slanted question Gun Poll at the DNC
website however doesn't do this. Obviously they want to save themselves any
further embarassment of the sort their last poll gave them, where everyone
voted for Mr. Bush's, "Risky Tax Scheme". If they don't report the result
of the Poll, they can say that it came out any way they please.
This is only to be expected of the DNC, and no one should be surpized that
the DNC does this sort of thing. As bad as that is, the kicker that proves
Vote Fraud makes it worse. Hundreds of people who vote on the Gun issue
regularly, (because they care about it), are reporting that when they click
on the vote button, a window comes up with the message, "Sorry, you've
allready voted, and you cannot vote twice". This from people who've _never_
gone to that website before. Obviously their methodology is to collect the
internet addresses of those who've voted in other Gun Polls, and make the
vote come out the way they want it to by, "Pre-Voting", for them, i.e.,
_DNC_VOTE_FRAUD_!
Are we to expect that they'll do it here, but _not_ in the Elections? I
think not!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Fwd: Million Mom March (Pro Gun!) (fwd)
Date: 07 Jan 2000 13:20:52 PST
On Jan 7, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote:
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>Greetings -
>
>As you may be aware, there is a march taking place in
>DC this coming Mother's Day (May 14, 2000) to try to
>pressure Congress into enacting even stricter gun
>control legislation. Mothers from across the USA will
>be claiming to represent the women of America and
>their viewpoints. Though they may be well-intentioned,
>they are not well-informed.
>
>There is a group of us women who wish to counter their
>efforts by having a march of our own right alongside
>them. We hope to get numbers that can't help but
>receive notice, and also hope that we can provide some
>education in the process. What we need is some
>publicity, and we're hoping to get help from RKBA
>organizations such as yours.
>
>Anyone who wishes to find out more can contact:
>moms4guns@yahoo.com
>
>Additional info is available at:
>http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3872505221c4.htm
>(Title of the post is "Million Mom Counter March")
>
>If you can find some way to pass this information
>along to your members, or to post it on your webpage,
>it would be most appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Debbie Wasilewski
>Lavallette, NJ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [slick-d] [Hugh Downs On Guns] (fwd)
Date: 07 Jan 2000 13:22:11 PST
On Jan 07, D. D. wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
I always liked this Man.
Rick ;-)>
The Shooting Show
http://www.shootingshow.com/
ABC News Perspective: Assault Weapons
by Hugh Downs
Years ago, presidential candidate John F. Kennedy distinguished
himself from his opponent Richard M. Nixon by saying that he, Kennedy,
knew who he was and that Nixon did not know who he was.
Knowing who you are suggests maturity and a sense of self hood. Nations,
just like individuals, also have identities and nationals can understand
who they are, too. Members of any civilization can realize their
uniqueness.
Sometimes some Americans seem to have difficulty understanding who they
are. The United States is unique and we shouldn't feel guilty or envious
because we aren't like other nations.
One issue that seems to magnify our lack of self confidence in who we are
is the gun debate. Some Americans think we should be like the Japanese
when it comes to guns. Other think we should behave like the British, or
the Swiss, or maybe some other foreign nationals.
The recent vote to repeal the so-called assault weapons ban seemed to kick
up the dust once again in the gun debate. Patrick Kennedy, a Democrat
from Rhode Island, equated weapons with satanic forces. "Play with the
devil, die with the devil," Kennedy said. Jim Chapman, another Democrat
from Texas, said banning certain rifles was like outlawing Rolls Royce's
because of drunk drivers and the damage they do. But the two sides
couldn't be more opposed.
Before we plunge into the question of what a so-called assault weapon is,
let's back up a few million years and consider their evolution. Our most
ancient hominid ancestors learned to throw stones to kill game. Later when
they learned how to throw spears, Anthropologists and paleontologists
theorized that the act of throwing was a tremendously stressful thing.
Combining binocular vision and distance estimation with delicate hand-eye
coordination had never been attempted before in nature. Humans pioneered
the technique.
And one of the consequences of mastering this technique was a more robust
nervous system; a nervous system that may be responsible for opening the
door to humanity's unique intellectual activity.
Spears turned into bows and arrows. And arrows turned to crossbow bolts,
and then to firearms. The development of field artillery created a demand
for sophisticated mathematics and mathematicians solved problems of
ballistic velocities and trajectories.
The manufacture of firearms gave birth to precision engineering, concepts
of mass production, and breakthrough insights in metallurgy.
As a result of the intellectual achievements, master gunsmiths in New
England and elsewhere created an economic powerhouse. Guns and
intellectual progress seemed to have been intertwined. Rocket science is a
direct outgrowth of humankind's fascination with ballistics.
Perhaps the most stunning of all these fruits is the development of the
computer. The purpose of the world's first computer, Eniac, was to
calculate artillery and missile trajectories. In other words, humanity's
most astonishing intellectual artifact, the computer, is an offspring of
our love affair with guns.
Well, that's a truth about guns. Guns exercised our unique intellectual
ability. They stimulated many scientific disciplines. They created wealth.
And the have defeated enemies from Adolph Hitler to Sadam Hussein.
Some people may not like the idea, but a large measure of our success as a
species is due to our passion for firearms. This is an uncomfortable
truth, because guns serve a dark side of humanity also. War is our dark
side. War destroys life and property. And everyone, even brave warriors,
justifiably fear it. Weaponry provided food for our tables and served us
well in certain crises.
But as instruments of war they play a cacophonous distasteful tune. Nobody
likes it. People who claim they like war, I believe, are lying to
themselves and to the world.
But guns do not make war. Guns can hold neither grudges nor hate. Guns are
merely instruments. A machine gun can no more launch an attack without a
machine gunner than an oboe is to play Mozart without a musician.
Instruments are extensions of people. Firearms are merely extensions of
people.
Firearms, in whatever numbers or whatever configurations, are not the
problem. The problem would seem to have its roots in national attitude we
have toward correcting things. Where did we develop the idea that personal
grievances or social wrongs can be redressed by shooting the bad guy?
For example, we do not have the greatest number of handguns per capita. We
just have (the) greatest number of deaths from these weapons. Israel and
Switzerland are both ahead of us in number of handguns per capita. But
they don't have very much of this kind of crime. Almost every home in
these countries has at least one sidearm, given a person on completion of
compulsory military service. They have the guns, but they just don't seem
inclined to shoot each other.
The assault rifle debate takes our attention away from the underlying
problem: how to effect a change in our national attitude toward settling
differences by violence. This is what we should be focused on. But we seem
to (be) fixated on a buzzword like "assault."
Hunters, professional armors, and firearm historians say the term is
imprecise. Some claim there is no such thing. One common term, known as an
assault rifle, refers to a long arm or carbine capable of automatic fire
with ordinary military ammunition or big-game ammunition.
Fully automatic weapons, true machine guns, have been banned since the
1930s and that ban remains in effect. So the "assault weapon" ban cannot
refer to machine guns, although many people, I think, mistakenly think so.
All the banned weapons are semi-automatic.
Legislators who initiated the ban claim that semi- automatic weapons have
no sporting use. But semi- automatic rifles have long history in hunting
and other sports. The famous BAR, or Browning Automatic Rifle, is a
semi-automatic hunting rifle; so is the Remington Model 7400.
Semi-automatic shotguns have been on the market for many years.
The banned rifles differ from non-banned ones only in small decorative
details: decorations like a folding stock, a bayonet mount, or a flash
suppresser. Otherwise, the banned "assault weapons" are ordinary rifles.
They are not automatic military weapons.
But the Republicans are now embarrassed by a perceived necessity of
lifting the ban on so-called assault weapons. And they've elected to do so
as quickly and quietly as can be done to get it behind them so it's not an
issue later on when the elections looms. Many of them feel it will not get
past both houses of Congress anyway and they can then say to the NRA, "We
did our best."
Unlike Britons, Americans are citizens and not subjects. And there's a
very great difference between the two. Americans do not worship their
government as god, which is a thousand-year-old tradition in Japan. Nor,
like the Japanese, do we believe that government is infallible, as if
government authority were an extension of family authority.
Americans are not Canadians either. We are unlike both the strict
Quebecoise and the English-speaking subjects of the British monarch.
Americans are different and require different rules and laws.
Maybe when we Americans learn to responsibly manage our guns, and our
drugs, and our automobiles, or any other of the dangerous things in life,
maybe then we will know who we are.
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Heads Up #165 (1/2) (fwd)
Date: 08 Jan 2000 22:06:43 PST
On Jan 08, Doug Fiedor wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
Heads Up
A Weekly View from the Foothills of Appalachia
January 9, 2000 #165
by: Doug Fiedor fiedor19@eos.net
Previous Editions at:
http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/list-hu.htm
ALL THE WAY WITH Y2K
How about all those Y2K problems, eh? Here I
sat, New Years Eve, with the computer, the short-wave radio
and the TV on, just waiting for all those problem reports to
come rolling in.
Nothing of substance came.
According to the controlling elite in government
and their lap-dog national media, government was "forced"
to undertake what was billed as "the largest law-enforcement
effort in United States history." Everyone, from small-town
cops to international globalist agents in the federal
government were involved. Even the American military was
put on alert.
Their function? To prevent the terror and
mayhem that "many people" predicted as the calendar turns
2000. That's what they said anyway.
First, they tried to feed us a story that the
change from Y1.999K to Y2K would mess up all our computers,
which could destroy society as we know it, or something.
Well, that didn't quite take. Yankee ingenuity rules.
People fixed their computers, then checked and rechecked
the results to be sure.
So, government and their synergistic media
cadre needed another excuse to justify that military and
paramilitary buildup throughout the country. Therefore, an
unscrupulous segment of government looked to their friends,
the elders of the professional social-agitators of society,
to create a diversion. Except, this time those liberal
social agitators might have bit off way, way more than they
can chew and probably exposed themselves for the
instigating miscreants they are. In other words, people
noticed their new attempt to aggravate and divide.
As the new story disseminated by the FBI went,
some American Christians -- according to the misinformed
non-Christian agitator-agents for the federal government --
might attempt to trigger Armageddon for the "millennium."
Except, most of these government-sponsored spies were not
bright enough to know that many Christians had a class in
the history of the calendar as children and know very well
that our calendar is from five to seven years late. And,
most Americans can count, so also know that even if we
use the current calendar, the new "millennium" begins next
January.
Anyway, that diversion didn't take very well,
either. In fact, a large segment of the American population
was starting to laugh at government. These federal
authorities were, in fact, becoming very silly. Others,
members of strict Christian denominations, were becoming
down right angry at government's disrespect for their
religious beliefs.
So, the federal authorities needed another
scam to justify that huge expense for the military and
paramilitary readiness. Islam was next, so they pulled
Osama bin Laden out of the hat. Well, as it turned out,
the best thousands of government agents scouring the
country could come up with was an Algerian guy said to be
transporting "bomb materials" from Canada into the United
States. The fact that he didn't have anything that is not
easily obtained on our side of the border is unimportant.
That arrest was enough for government to publicly justify
all of their paramilitary and military activities.
And justify they did. The thousands of federal
agents found themselves a potential terrorist to hold forth
for all to see on the evening news. The federal
government's sycophantic national media had something to
talk about; and an excuse to not have to take that cold hard
look into the reasons behind the huge military and
paramilitary buildup. Justice Department aparatchik Eric
Holder, who is skilled in the ways of legalistic propaganda,
told the media there was a "potential" terrorist threat but
that big government was Johnny on the spot. "We don't
want to alarm people . . . we [just] want them to be
vigilant," Holder said.
And so went the big apocalypse epidemic of
the eve of Y2K. Big government ripped off the American
taxpayers for a few hundred million bucks and inconvenienced
tens of thousands of people under the guise of fighting a
problem that did not exist. Worse, the national media,
being central to the scam, let it all happen without so much
as a question.
Were there computer problems? Sure. There
are a few million computers out there, all within a couple
handshakes of each other. Actually, it would be amazing to
get them all working together properly on any single day.
The first noticeable Y2K glitch on News Years
came from the U.S. Naval Observatory's master clock in
Washington. It broadcast the new year as "19100" until
someone noticed and repaired the problem. Another
interesting glitch came Monday night, when the Federal
Aviation Administration's Boston Center in Nashua, N.H.
computer crashed. That messed up scheduling at airports
for 160,000 square miles. It too was repaired quickly.
Microsoft chairman Bill Gates told CNN that
though no catastrophes are likely, a series of minor
problems could foul up computer systems for months. "It's
not going to be catastrophic, I don't think in any case,
but there's going to be lots of snafus." Gates should know.
His Windows operating system has been known to go goofy
from time to time regardless of the date.
There will be some problems. Some will be
funny, others aggravating. In the private sector, American
professionals will insure they are handled. It's the public
sector that needs a lot of adult supervision.
A CENTURY OF TECHNOLOGY
Thirty years ago, I bought one of the first of
the new quick cooking devices. Friends and colleagues
looked at me like I was nuts. It was dangerous, they said.
Because of the way it worked, it probably changed the
molecular structure of the food and there was no telling
how it would affect health, long term, some people who
should know better commented.
Except, in the Army, we often heated our food
in exactly the same way. Using radar. That little device
caught on quick. Today, the microwave oven is a common
appliance, found in most homes.
Actually, the fight against technological
advance is an age old argument. Today, one heated topic
is irradiated food. All I can say about that is that if it
is cheaper, stores better and still tastes good, I'll buy it.
Killing the disease causing bugs sometimes found in
food -- especially meats -- sounds like a winning idea on
this end.
Around 1900, my grandfather was known for
the hot rod of his day: A team of large black horses and a
nice coach. Much later, my grandmother ingrained in my
brain that, when walking with a woman, the man always walks
on the outside to protect her from horses kicking.
Sixty years after my grandfather's "hot rod,"
mine was doing a quarter-mile in a flash down at the drag
strip. In Grandpa's lifetime, scientists proved (Lord
Kelvin in the 1890s) that "Heavier than air flying machines
are impossible." As a master toolmaker, Grandpa chuckled
when he read that the director of the U.S. Patent Office
(Charles Duell, 1899) announced that, "Everything that can
be invented has been invented." Grandpa also laughed when
Historian Harry Adams (1903) told the nation that "The
world is coming to an end in 1950."
Grandpa learned Morse Code during his seafaring
days, when that was the only communications available. But
he lived to hear voice on radio and then to see real time
pictures transmitted in living color on television. We
also took him for a ride at that magical (to him) one
hundred miles per hour when the new expressway opened up.
The last century gave us thousands of
technological miracles we take for granted today. From the
de Forest "electronic valve" (audio amplifier vacuum tube)
to the millions of transistors on each chip operating in our
computers; once began, the progress leaped forward at an
astonishing rate. And, it is far from over.
One cry now is over medically implantable
devices. Interesting, that. I look forward to them.
Implantable electronics will allow the deaf
to hear, the blind to see, the crippled to walk, and will
monitor and treat many debilitating diseases. For
instance, we already accept the pacemaker and drug pump.
Anyone think we will be "computing" on these
bulky boxes in one hundred years? No chance! Half of our
computer's parts in the future will probably be nearly
biological -- or, at least implanted in our body. The CPU
will be no more than the size of today's very small portable
radio and the "monitor" part of the eye.
But, the implanted chip in the eye will be a
multipurpose device. When your transportation allows you
to "drive," the implanted device will connect to the
vehicle's camera system and permit you a quick view in any
direction, and in a wide spectrum of frequencies. The
implant will also be handy for "television," because we
could then see true three-dimensional entertainment.
Medical implants could monitor most
physiological functions and report anytime they find a
discrepancy. Other implants could treat medical problems.
Still others could report to the user's personal physician
and the physician could tweak the treatment from a distance,
in real time, as needed.
Does all this leave room for mischief by the
unscrupulous in government? Most certainly! And that is
why some people are correctly concerned about the new
implantable devices becoming available. Already,
authoritarians in government are looking for ways to use
the new technology to "monitor and control" citizens.
This, of course, must never be allowed.
Therefore, early on, we must propose
legislation, with very serious penalties, precluding any
government agency from using their satellite system and/or
any other electronic device, from spying on any American
citizen not first formally charged with a serious crime.
Also, any implantable device that has the ability of
producing a signal that may be externally controlled or
monitored from more than a couple feet by any means
whatsoever must have the ability to be deactivated by the
user at any time.
Furthermore, we must demand strict enforcement
of our Fourth Amendment rights against all intrusion of our
privacy by government and all other outside concerns.
These terms should never be negotiable for any reason.
It shall be our personal choice whether or not
we participate in the dozens of implants and other devices
that will soon become available. But, it is the
responsibility of all of us to insure the complete privacy
for those who do.
GOVERNMENT PAID LAWBREAKERS
Before we bring forth the new business of 2000
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Heads Up #165 (2/2) (fwd)
Date: 08 Jan 2000 22:07:24 PST
On Jan 08, Doug Fiedor wrote:
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we must first dispose of the old business of 1999. And, it
appears that we voters are going to have to become a bit
inconvenient to the Lords and Ladies of Capitol Hill if we
want any of it done.
For instance, there's that Waco assault. How
in the world can any Member of Congress ask for the respect
of the American people when they continue to totally
disregard that?
We must demand action! From the judge and
prosecutor who originally allowed the BATF sneak attack on
the quiet homestead at Mt. Carmel, to the FBI and Army
personnel who gassed and shot the people and burned the
place down, we must demand convictions. These people
murdered peaceful American citizens who, before bothered,
were doing nothing more dangerous than living.
Another old story that still needs attention is
that of the CIA smuggling tons of illegal drugs into the
country for sale to our children. Even after they admitted
it, at least in part, no one was ever prosecuted. Yet,
government feels free to send SWAT teams after a kid on the
street with a small baggy. Something is definitely wrong
with this picture! For a refresher on that sick story, visit
http://www.copvcia.com/. But, hope your kids do not see
the material when you are trying to convince them that
recreational street drugs are wrong for them.
The problem of "testilying" by the FBI has
never been resolved, either. Anyone still remember the
story about the investigation into the FBI laboratory?
We'll never know how many hundreds of people are in prison
as a result of contrived evidence, poor laboratory practices
by novices and just plain lying by FBI agents to get a
conviction. Where's justice? Check out the little bit they
will admit to at:
http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/fbilab1/fbil1toc.htm
"Today there are more than 3,000 federal crimes
on the books. Hardly any crime, no matter how local in
nature, is beyond the reach of federal criminal jurisdiction.
Federal crimes now range from serious but purely local
crimes like carjacking and drug dealing to trivial crimes
like disrupting a rodeo." So says former Attorney General
Edwin Meese III & Rhett DeHart in The Heritage Foundation's
Policy Review Number 75:
http://www.policyreview.com/jan96/meese.html
"We federalize everything that walks, talks,
and moves," bragged Senator Joe Biden, liberal Democratic
chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee from 1986 to
1994.
Yeah, and We the People are stupid enough to
let the Lords and Ladies of Capitol Hill return to pass even
more unconstitutional and stupid laws. Not one of them
knows all the laws already on the books (but we're supposed
to), but they will pass more anyway. And it's quite obvious
that no one of influence on Capitol Hill understands the
Constitution -- else they wouldn't violate it so
consistently.
Pushing the law factory to pass even more
atrocious constraints on our freedom is that huge special
interest cadre -- the Washington Lobbying Industry, which
spends $8.4 billion each year lobbying the federal
government. "Honest graft" that's called in Washington
circles. Out and out bribery, we'll call it.
And, while we're on the subject of illegal
campaign contributions, there is still that unresolved
matter of the Clinton, Clinton & Gore team trading a whole
host of favors to the communist Chinese for who knows how
many millions of dollars in campaign contributions and
whatever. We know that many in Congress were also
involved. That's too bad. An aggressive investigation is
still necessary.
Suddenly a few Members of Congress are
catching on to something we have been reporting for years.
The National Security Agency is intercepting and reading
all telephone calls, faxes and e-mail Americans send
overseas and most of the domestic traffic. Echelon is the
project name. Echelon is the code name for a worldwide
network run by the NSA, with help from Britain, Australia,
Canada and New Zealand. The project has been in
intentional violation of the Fourth Amendment for over
thirty years. Many in Congress knew about the program,
they just did nothing about it. If there is a "rule of law"
in this country, NSA is violating it. Therefore,
prosecutions are in order.
There's yet another major problem that must
be resolved: Almost all illegal activity bureaucrats and
politicians want to hide from the American people is
classified as "national security." We, as citizens, deserve
the security of personal privacy. But, except for a few
real security needs, their actions, as public servants,
should always be open to our scrutiny.
CONSTITUTIONALISTS UNITE
What we need in a Presidential candidate is
someone like the Founding Fathers, a person who will
respect the Constitution and have the tenacity to defend
their position against all comers. That means, we need a
person who understands the Constitution as interpreted
today, but also has a strong working knowledge of the
original intent of the Founders. Lastly, we would want our
candidate to have both the strength and the leadership
ability to steer the ship of state back onto that course
envisioned by the Founding Fathers.
That's a whopping big order!
But, just think what life in these United
States would be like if every agent in government were
suddenly ordered by the President to obey the Constitution
and the Bill of Rights literally, as written. Suddenly
there would be no searches or wiretaps without a warrant.
Government databases violating our privacy would be erased.
Control of education would be returned to the States and
local school districts. Farmers could farm without federal
interference. Businesses would prosper without a massive
level of federal regulations and prices would drop.
Intrastate commerce would be completely free of federal
control and interstate commerce would be easier.
If the federal government were again required
to perform perfectly those tasks mandated to it and no
others, the American people would realize a change very
few living today have ever seen: personal freedom.
Of course, we cannot have all of that at the
flip of a switch. It would be too disruptive to the social
order. But, with a strong President, it could be phased in
on something like a five year plan. And, all Americans
would benefit equally.
So, what would this be worth to us? A five or
ten buck campaign contribution once a month for six months,
maybe? How about a little effort, as in volunteering a
couple hours a week to get the word out to friends and
neighbors? Because, that's how it's done when we support
a candidate: The writers need to get to writing. The
speakers need to start speaking. And those with abundant
energy should contact the campaign headquarters and see
what needs to be done that they can help out with.
Because, we do have such a candidate available.
There is a candidate who believes we should return to that
Constitutional form of government originally intended by
the authors of our Constitution. He's running within a
major political party, too. And, he has a very active
campaign committee.
What's missing is the level of campaign
contributions and the large cadre of effective campaign
workers necessary to get the word out to the voters. But,
even that is due to a good, honorable reason. You see, this
candidate started slowly and bootstrapped his campaign.
That is, he's not riding that special interest money train
most of the others are on. He feels that only people who
can vote should contribute to political campaigns.
Voters are responding very favorably to his
campaign message, too. Some say that he's a great orator
and debater. That's true. But there is a lot more to the
acceptance he is receiving that just his speaking skills.
It's called "getting it right."
During the debates, all of the other candidates
give their version of big government business as usual
answers to the queries asked. Dr. Alan Keyes returns the
Constitutional answer, which often embarrasses the other
candidates.
Simply put, people respond with agreement to
what Alan Keyes says because Alan Keyes gives answers that
fit exactly with what Americans learned to be the
Constitutional model of government in school. No other
major party candidate even gets in that ballpark. Only one
other candidate even gets close sometimes. So, surveys
taken after each debate show that a large majority of
voters always judge Dr. Keyes the winner, by far.
Even within the Republican Party, Keyes wins
major polls. For instance, in the National Federation of
Republican Assemblies poll http://www.nf-ra.org/poll.htm,
Alan Keyes received 85.5% of the 8283 votes cast at this
writing. Clearly, this a candidate who can win strong
public support if we help him get the word out.
Vote.com shows Alan Keyes with 25% of the vote
verses Bush at 32%. John McCain is third with 16% and all
other candidates are in single digits. And Keyes leads with
51% of the vote in The American Conservative Union poll,
with Buchanan following with 19.8% and Bush at 12.5%.
http://scripts.townhall.com/acupoll.html
If Bush, McCain, Gore, or Bradley wins the
presidency, we will surely have more of the same from
Washington: More laws. More rules. More regulations.
And a lot more federal agents enforcing way too many
unconstitutional laws, rules and regulations.
Alan Keyes, on the other hand, calls for the
return to the Constitutional form of government originally
intended. Which, to the American people, means freedom,
a smaller federal government and less taxes.
The next week or two is the most important
time of the primary election cycle. If we are to fight in
defense of our Constitution -- in this case, by supporting
a Presidential candidate who will support and defend our
Constitution -- now is the time we must call out all of the
reserves. It's your decision. This is the prime time for
action, and that action is necessary in every town, city,
county and State in our nation.
If we are all willing to help just a little, a
peaceful transition from big government socialism to a
truly Constitutional form of government is available to us.
If we wait, there may not be another chance for definitive
action for quite some time.
For more in formation, visit the Keyes 2000
web site at: www.keyes2000.org or call at 1-888-450-7771.
Also see the companion article "Choosing a President --
Keyes" at http://www.uhuh.com/reports/headsup/list-hu.htm
~ End ~
"We must teach our children that the preservation
of liberty, and of an order of society conducive to human
dignity, requires that a free people retain the moral and
material means to discipline its own government, should the
temptation to tyranny take root." -- Alan Keyes
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Fwd: GSL> Gun Poll. (fwd)
Date: 10 Jan 2000 14:13:43 PST
On Jan 10, C. D. Tavares wrote:
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>http://netscape.digitalcity.com/boston/sound_off/main.dci?page=guncontrol
To date, poll is running our way 419 to 53. Vote!
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Tavares@alum.mit.edu | http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares | RKBA!
It is not the responsibility of the government or the legal system to
protect a citizen from himself.
-- JUSTICE CASEY PERCELL
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: larry ball
Subject: REMEMBER WHEN?
Date: 11 Jan 2000 21:01:20 -0600
A few years ago - 94 or 95? - there was this gentleman in New York who
sponsored the Gun Clock or was it the Death Clock? He was dramatizing
gun deaths. He had a message, and 800 number, and a large budget. Many
of us were so interested in his message that we called and called just
to hear it over and over. But, I fear, that we squandered his budget
and the whole escapade went broke.
Well, theie is now another opportunity. There is an organization
advertising on T. V. in this region (Nebraska and Iowa) against gun
violence. They call themselves the National Citizens Commision Against
Crime. Their number is 1800 WE PREVENT. They would like to hear from
you and send you some material. You will probably want some of this
material sent to your home, your box number, your office, your health
club and where ever else you might be wanting to review this vital
material. Your Aunt Millie, Uncle Fred, Cousin Billie Wife, father,
mother, son, daughter, significant other and any other will also want
some of this material. It will cost them about a buck to receive each
call and their mailing will likely cost them a few bucks also. Help
them out. It costs a lot of money if one of these campaigns go on
interminably so help them get rid of this material rapidly. Ya'all call
now, tomorrow, before and afternoon and during siesta.
Hasta Luego
Larry Ball
lball@inetnebr.com
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From: Paul M Watson
Subject: FL800: Sanders Series Part I (fwd)
Date: 12 Jan 2000 07:56:50 -0600 (CST)
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The major media has tried to frame private investigative
journalists such as James Sanders and myself as having
invented the story that the military was involved in the
crash of TWA Flight 800. That sham is exposed by the fact
that the first reports of a possible connection to the
military came from the major media itself. As Chris Bury
said only hours after the crash on Nightline (7/17/96):
"The U.S. Coast Guard tells Nightline that about
8:30 tonight, a New York State Air National Guard
C-130 was performing some kind of pyrotechnic exercise,
perhaps setting off flares, off the southern shore of
Long Island..." [The time of the crash was 8:31 PM.]
Bury then reported that calls came in right away of "flares"
being fired and he hypothesized a connection between witness
accounts of flares and the activities of the C-130, saying:
"At about 8:30 tonight they got numerous calls both
from boaters and from people on Long Island of perhaps
flares going off from this C-130." [It turned out that
the flares eyewitnesses observed were shooting upwards,
such as revealed in an account given on Nightline that
night: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/forgot01.htm ]
ABC anchor Chris Bury then committed perhaps the last act
of investigative inquiry by the major media in the Flight
800 case when he questioned: "Did the C-130 have anything
to do with tonight's crash?" The official answer was "no,"
and a few days later the stated location of the C-130,
along with that of other military assets, was changed from
having been close to the crash to having been further away
and not involved in any kind of "pyrotechnic exercise."
The Coast Guard's report on Nightline was then forgotten.
At the FBI's final Flight 800 press conference (11/17/97)
a reporter observed: "Within 24 hours of this disaster
there were stories of military friendly fire circulating;
they were not stories that happened later." Even as the
major media knows that, they consistently frame friendly-
fire theories as a hoax created later by individuals
like James Sanders and myself. The major media have made
no real effort to challenge the government; they have
instead bent over backwards to defend the government
and inflict catastrophic injury upon private individuals
who display the rare courage to challenge the government.
Perhaps the most injured individual has been James Sanders,
who was financially wiped out while unsuccessfully defending
his right to engage in time-honored investigative journalism
after his inside source removed small pieces of evidence to
(http://Flight800.org/res1.html) be subjected to independent
testing. Sanders even gave CBS some of the material so that
they too could test it, but they obediently returned it to
the FBI without testing it or telling their viewers about
it. The following is the first part of a series on James
Sanders, who has paid a high price for speaking out:
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http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/1/11/32922
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TWA 800: 'Obstruction of Justice Was Ongoing'
January 11, 2000
First in a NewsMax.com exclusive series of
installments based on James D. Sanders' book
"Altered Evidence," exposing the government's
tampering with evidence, cover-up and misleading
the public in the crash of TWA Flight 800.
It has it all: political villains, a lawless
"Justice" Department and government shills
masquerading as major media journalists.
Two hundred thirty-five years ago John Adams
warned that "Liberty cannot be preserved without
a general knowledge among the people, who have a
right . . . and a desire to know; but besides this,
they have a right, an indisputable, unalienable,
indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and
envied kind of knowledge, I mean of the characters
and conduct of their rulers."
The Clinton administration began its shameful
march through the 1990s by framing Billy Dale,
longtime head of the White House Travel Office.
The FBI enthusiastically joined in the mandated
witch hunt to use the awesome power entrusted by
"We The People" to the government in a shameless
effort to frame and destroy Dale.
Simultaneously, the Justice Department engaged in
a sordid affair now simply known as "Waco," and
the cover-up of the death of Vince Foster soon
followed.
Bimbo eruptions saw White House harassment,
intimidation and vilification of a multitude of
women.
Every step of the way, major media's first reaction
has been to help the Clinton administration destroy
the messenger. Reluctantly, grudgingly, major media
have occasionally engaged in timid, superficial
coverage of the immoral/unethical/criminal act of
the moment. But never, ever have major media sallied
forth when the end result could be the destruction
of the Clinton administration.
"Altered Evidence" gives the reader an inside view
of what happens in America today when a journalist
takes on a hopelessly corrupt government. The
introduction to "Altered Evidence" by James
Sanders follows.
* * *
I'm a retired police officer and investigative
journalist. For almost 15 years I have used the
skills learned on the job in Southern California
law enforcement to investigate wrongdoing within
the federal government. This is my fourth book
related to the subject.
On July 17, 1996, TWA Flight 800, a Boeing 747
with 230 passengers and crew, crashed less than 10
miles south of Long Island. All on board died.
During the first hours after the crash, the airwaves
were filled with eyewitness accounts of a missile
streaking up into the air and a plane falling from
the sky.
Within two months the New York Times was
carrying Flight 800 stories that sounded more like
FBI propaganda than journalism. And NBC Evening
News became the preferred method by which the
National Transportation Safety Board began to spin
a story around a mysterious mechanical event that
may have been the cause of it all.
Reporters began to tell me stories that questioned
the official government line, intimating that it had
been spiked. Stories about Navy divers removing
highly sensitive debris from the ocean floor within
48 hours after the crash; about military officers
admitting off the record that a major "screw-up" had
caused the crash; that Navy sources were talking of
a large concentration of Navy ships south of Long
Island, the launch of a drone and "friendly fire."
I eventually developed sources within the
government and the Flight 800 investigation. A
stream of documents -- and forensic evidence --
became available establishing beyond a doubt that
obstruction of justice was ongoing at the
senior-most levels of those government agencies
that controlled the investigation.
I wrote a book entitled "The Downing of TWA
Flight 800." Released in April 1997, it provided
the American public with a view of the TWA Flight
800 investigation never before revealed.
Next: Missile Evidence Doesn't Lie
[ FULL INTRO: http://altered-evidence.com/ch1.doc ]
You may order your copy of James D. Sanders'
book "Altered Evidence" from NewsMax.com's Book
Store.
http://www.newsmax.com/cgi-bin/store/store.cgi?db_id=87&cart_id=5920453.2539
For more on TWA Flight 800, visit Hot Topics.
http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1998/12/19/90358
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GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [slickplus] VIN: Jan. 12 column -- John Rocker (fwd)
Date: 12 Jan 2000 22:25:00 PST
On Jan 12, RichSlick@aol.com wrote:
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FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED JAN. 12, 2000
THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
Baseball player a bigoted loudmouth -- not a nut case
In their little 1972 book "None Dare Call It Conspiracy," Gary Allen
and Larry Abraham provided readers with 14 "signposts to slavery" --
significant events to watch for, as indicators that even a free country
might be moving gradually toward totalitarianism -- a list initially
compiled by Dr. Warren Carroll, a refugee from Yugoslavian communism.
Nothing on the list had been made law in America at the time, and many
readers thought it absurd that the authors felt the need to warn Americans
to watch out for restrictions on setting up bank accounts or taking money
out of the country; abolition of private ownership of handguns;
requirements that private financial transactions be keyed to Social
Security numbers so records can be fed into government computers;
compulsory non-military service; compulsory registration with the
government of where individuals work; attempts to restrict freedom of
movement within the United States; any attempt to make major new laws by
executive decree, and so forth.
Of course, some folks -- the kind who insist "fascism" can't exist unless
the police don a specific type of black suit bedecked with silver skulls
and lightning slashes, the kind who insist it's not an "internal passport"
as long as they label it "Driver's License" -- will still shrug and ask
what's the problem. So it's getting a bit difficult to open a bank account
or land a job without giving one's Social Security number -- which Congress
once swore would never become a "national ID." Times change, don't they?
Society is more complex now. It's all for our protection and that of our
credit ratings. Right?
Buried among Dr. Carroll's 14 warnings was another that must have seemed
pretty obscure and far-fetched in 1972: Americans were advised to watch out
for "compulsory psychological treatment for non-government workers or
public schoolchildren."
In fact, when Time magazine went to examine a typical, suburban public
high school for a cover story last fall, they found 20 percent of the
children dosed up on officially prescribed psychoactive drugs -- the very
kind which had been in use by Oregon school shooter Kip Kinkel and by one
of the two lads who shot up Columbine High School in Colorado last year.
And now even readers of the sports pages are coming face to face with
this newfangled psychiatric orthodoxy -- the notion that the proper
solution to any tasteless or offensive behavior is to "medicalize" the
problem.
Atlanta Braves pitcher John Rocker -- described by team president Stan
Kasten as having "a history of good relationships with players of different
races and different ethnic backgrounds," spoke recently to a reporter for
Sports Illustrated, explaining on the record (and now he knows what (start
ital)that(end ital) means, doesn't he?) why he would prefer not to play for
a New York-based team.
In colorful language, Rocker visualized having to ride to work on a New
York subway, seated "next to some queer with AIDS." He also complained that
New York contains too many immigrants who have not mastered English, asking
"How the hell did they get in this country?" Rocker proceeded to make
disparaging remarks about Asian-American drivers, and even managed to refer
to a black teammate as "a fat monkey."
At least he's thorough.
Mr. Rocker appears to be a stupid oaf. Readers have every right to take
exception to his bigoted comments. If his team believes he has brought them
disrepute which could hurt ticket sales, they may of course examine his
contract for options involving discipline or even dismissal.
But instead -- even though Mr. Rocker has apologized and expressed
remorse -- team president Kasten and Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig
announced last Thursday the pitcher will be ordered to undergo a series of
psychological tests before his final punishment is announced.
What?
As much as the catalog of recognized psychiatric maladies has been
creatively expanded in recent years, I was unaware that "being a big,
stupid loudmouth" is now a treatable medical diagnosis.
Again, this kind of mouthing off is the mark of a boorish lout. Mr.
Rocker may well have damaged the likelihood he will ever be retained as a
network "color commentator" (though parallel opportunities could well open
up in professional wrestling ...)
But no matter how "politically incorrect" his method of expression, this
pea-brained athlete has done nothing more than raise important issues of
current political debate -- immigration, welfare, tolerance of previously
closeted lifestyles -- in terms which most of his fans have doubtless heard
a hundred times in workplace or tavern.
Just as in the case of entertainers who "push the envelope" of propriety
in part to get us to re-examine our own prejudices -- Lenny Bruce and
Andrew Dice Clay come to mind -- Americans can always refrain from paying
to hear such stuff.
But once we start "curing" politically incorrect speech by locking away
the perpetrators in anonymous psychiatric wards, or dosing them up on happy
pills ... we really will have passed another "signpost to slavery."
Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas
Review-Journal. His new book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the
Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available by dialing 1-800-244-2224; or
via web site http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html.
***
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Hay, 1872
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Christian TV and the FCC (fwd)
Date: 13 Jan 2000 11:07:39 PST
On Jan 13, BaBette Z. Bechtold wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
I received this from a friend.......Mary
Ladies,
Earlier today I wrote you about the FCC trying to silence Christian
Broadcasting and someone said that it was a hoax.
It is Not a hoax. I just heard on TBN, Paul Crouch on His behind the
seines
program verified what I told you today. This is a fact. The FCC is trying
to
dictate Christian broadcasting. They are trying to keep the stations from
giving the invitation to be saved to the public plus so much more.
I repeat This is not a hoax and TBN (Trinity Broadcast Network) has
verified that this is indeed what the FCC is up to. So I implore you to
call
or write your State Rep., Your State Senator, and your congressman as
soon as
possible and protest what is happening. Urge them to over rule the FCC's
decision to silence Christian broadcasting.
Carroll;~(
This is very true Mary. I wrote them earlier today and expressed my
concerns
after seeing the story on the Fox News. I would encourage everyone to
write.
How to Contact the FCC
<<sness@fcc.gov
hfurchtg@fcc.gov
mpowell@fcc.gov
gtristan@fcc.gov
^^^^^^
These are the addresses of people at the helm of the FCC.
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----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS (fwd)
Date: 14 Jan 2000 09:18:15 PST
On Jan 14, Bill Utterback wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
It's happening. The people are fed up. Little by little, with=20
accelerating frequency, citizens are acting to restore=20
constitutional government.
Please consider taking a group of citizens to present this message=20
to your county sheriff and discussing the implications with him.
Bill Utterback
-----
WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS
County sheriffs in Wyoming are insisting that all federal law
enforcement officers and personnel from federal regulatory agencies must
clear all their activities in a Wyoming county with the Sheriff's
Office. Speaking at a press conference following the recent US District
Court decision (case No 2:96-cv-099-J) Bighorn County Sheriff Dave
Mattis stated that all federal officials are forbidden to enter his
county without his prior approval.
"If a sheriff doesn't want the Feds in his county he has the
constitutional power and right to keep them out or ask them to leave or
retain them in custody."
The court decision came about after Mattis & other members of the
Wyoming Sheriffs' Association brought a suit against both the BATF and
the IRS in the Wyoming federal court district seeking restoration of the
protections enshrined in the United States Constitution and the Wyoming
Constitution. The District Court ruled in favor of the sheriffs, stating
that,
"Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of a county
is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law
enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal
official."
The Wyoming sheriffs are demanding access to all BATF files to verify
that the agency is not violating provisions of Wyoming law that prohibit
the registration of firearms or the keeping of a registry of firearm
owners. The sheriffs are also demanding that federal agencies
immediately cease the seizure of private property and the impoundment of
private bank accounts without regard to due process in state courts.
Sheriff Mattis stated,
"I am reacting to the actions of federal employees who have attempted to
deprive citizens of my county of their privacy, their liberty, and their
property without regard to constitutional safeguards. I hope that more
sheriffs all across America will join us in protecting their citizens
from the illegal activities of the IRS, EPA, BATF, FBI, or any other
federal agency that is operating outside the confines of constitutional
law. Employees of the IRS and the EPA are no longer welcome in Bighorn
County unless they intend to operate in conformance to constitutional
law."
This case is evidence that the Tenth Amendment is not yet dead in the
United States. It may also be interpreted to mean that political
subdivisions of a State are included within the meaning of the
amendment, or that the powers exercised by a sheriff are an extension of
those common law powers which the Tenth Amendment explicitly reserves to
the People, if they are not granted to the federal government and
specifically prohibited to the States.
Case Notes:
Case: Castaneda v. USA
Filed: 10th May 1996
Closed: 29th April 1997
Case No: 2:1996cv00099 Wyoming District Court, Casper
Nature of Suit: Civil Rights
*******************************************************************
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governors would all become wolves."
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"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds."
Samuel Adams
"It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from=20
falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the=20
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----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
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hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: "."
Subject: Re: WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS (fwd)
Date: 14 Jan 2000 11:32:36 -0800
Can anyone get me a copy of the full opinion (and even the briefing, if
possible)? This would be invaluable to my research. Send it to my box at 539
SE 38th, PMB 711, Portland, OR 97214
Thanks.
Paul
www.portlandporcupine.com
-----Original Message-----
>On Jan 14, Bill Utterback wrote:
>
>[-------------------- text of forwarded message
follows --------------------]
>
>It's happening. The people are fed up. Little by little, with=20
>accelerating frequency, citizens are acting to restore=20
>constitutional government.
>
>Please consider taking a group of citizens to present this message=20
>to your county sheriff and discussing the implications with him.
>
>Bill Utterback
>
>
>-----
>
>From: ToBFree40@aol.com
>
>WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS
>
>County sheriffs in Wyoming are insisting that all federal law
>enforcement officers and personnel from federal regulatory agencies must
>clear all their activities in a Wyoming county with the Sheriff's
>Office. Speaking at a press conference following the recent US District
>Court decision (case No 2:96-cv-099-J) Bighorn County Sheriff Dave
>Mattis stated that all federal officials are forbidden to enter his
>county without his prior approval.
>
>"If a sheriff doesn't want the Feds in his county he has the
>constitutional power and right to keep them out or ask them to leave or
>retain them in custody."
>
>The court decision came about after Mattis & other members of the
>Wyoming Sheriffs' Association brought a suit against both the BATF and
>the IRS in the Wyoming federal court district seeking restoration of the
>protections enshrined in the United States Constitution and the Wyoming
>Constitution. The District Court ruled in favor of the sheriffs, stating
>that,
>
>"Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of a county
>is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law
>enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal
>official."
>
>The Wyoming sheriffs are demanding access to all BATF files to verify
>that the agency is not violating provisions of Wyoming law that prohibit
>the registration of firearms or the keeping of a registry of firearm
>owners. The sheriffs are also demanding that federal agencies
>immediately cease the seizure of private property and the impoundment of
>private bank accounts without regard to due process in state courts.
>Sheriff Mattis stated,
>
>"I am reacting to the actions of federal employees who have attempted to
>deprive citizens of my county of their privacy, their liberty, and their
>property without regard to constitutional safeguards. I hope that more
>sheriffs all across America will join us in protecting their citizens
>from the illegal activities of the IRS, EPA, BATF, FBI, or any other
>federal agency that is operating outside the confines of constitutional
>law. Employees of the IRS and the EPA are no longer welcome in Bighorn
>County unless they intend to operate in conformance to constitutional
>law."
>
>This case is evidence that the Tenth Amendment is not yet dead in the
>United States. It may also be interpreted to mean that political
>subdivisions of a State are included within the meaning of the
>amendment, or that the powers exercised by a sheriff are an extension of
>those common law powers which the Tenth Amendment explicitly reserves to
>the People, if they are not granted to the federal government and
>specifically prohibited to the States.
>
>Case Notes:
>
>Case: Castaneda v. USA
>
>Filed: 10th May 1996
>
>Closed: 29th April 1997
>
>Case No: 2:1996cv00099 Wyoming District Court, Casper
>
>Nature of Suit: Civil Rights
>
>
>*******************************************************************
>
>A few times a week, on average, I forward messages that I=20
>consider to be worthwhile. Occasionally I may be inspired to=20
>write a brief editorial.
>
>If you do not want to receive these messages, send me a message=20
>with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject field.
>
>If you would like to begin receiving these messages, send me a
>message with SUBSCRIBE in the subject field.
>
>for Liberty (for all),
>Bill Utterback
>BUtterb@connecti.com
>
>-----
>
>"We have the greatest opportunity the world has ever seen, as long=20
>as we remain honest -- which will be as long as we can keep the=20
>attention of our people alive. If they once become inattentive to=20
>public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and=20
>governors would all become wolves."
>Thomas Jefferson
>
>"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
>tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds."
>Samuel Adams
>
>"It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from=20
>falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the=20
>Government from falling into error."
>U.S. Supreme Court in American Communications Association v. Douds,
>339 U.S. 382,442
>
>-----
>
>World's Smallest Political Quiz
>http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html =20
>
>Libertarian Party
>http://www.lp.org/
>
>Fully Informed Jury Association
>http://www.fija.org/
>
>Gun Owners of America
>http://www.gunowners.org/
>
>Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
>http://www.JPFO.org/
>
>COPYRIGHT NOTICE-- In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107,
>any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use
>without profit or payment to those who have expressed prior interest
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>purposes only. Ref: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml
>
>[------------------------- end of forwarded
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>
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>RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! *****
RKBA!
>----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------
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>An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
>weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
>hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
>on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus
Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Re: WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS (fwd)
Date: 14 Jan 2000 12:37:21 PST
Can't help much directly, but a possible route to check would be through
www.vote-smart.org. Normally this site is for Legislative matters, but they
do shuffle you through to State sites, and once there you might be able to
find Legal stuff. Once you have the URL's for the State sites, it might
also pay you to back out and go there directly, to see what you might have
missed for the original Legislative emphasis.
Anyway, that's my best guess at the moment.
On Jan 14, . wrote:
>Can anyone get me a copy of the full opinion (and even the briefing, if
>possible)? This would be invaluable to my research. Send it to my box at 539
>SE 38th, PMB 711, Portland, OR 97214
>
>Thanks.
>
>Paul
>www.portlandporcupine.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Vance
>To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com
>
>Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 10:01 AM
>Subject: WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS (fwd)
>
>
>>On Jan 14, Bill Utterback wrote:
>>
>>[-------------------- text of forwarded message
>follows --------------------]
>>
>>It's happening. The people are fed up. Little by little, with=20
>>accelerating frequency, citizens are acting to restore=20
>>constitutional government.
>>
>>Please consider taking a group of citizens to present this message=20
>>to your county sheriff and discussing the implications with him.
>>
>>Bill Utterback
>>
>>
>>-----
>>
>>From: ToBFree40@aol.com
>>
>>WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS
>>
>>County sheriffs in Wyoming are insisting that all federal law
>>enforcement officers and personnel from federal regulatory agencies must
>>clear all their activities in a Wyoming county with the Sheriff's
>>Office. Speaking at a press conference following the recent US District
>>Court decision (case No 2:96-cv-099-J) Bighorn County Sheriff Dave
>>Mattis stated that all federal officials are forbidden to enter his
>>county without his prior approval.
>>
>>"If a sheriff doesn't want the Feds in his county he has the
>>constitutional power and right to keep them out or ask them to leave or
>>retain them in custody."
>>
>>The court decision came about after Mattis & other members of the
>>Wyoming Sheriffs' Association brought a suit against both the BATF and
>>the IRS in the Wyoming federal court district seeking restoration of the
>>protections enshrined in the United States Constitution and the Wyoming
>>Constitution. The District Court ruled in favor of the sheriffs, stating
>>that,
>>
>>"Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of a county
>>is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law
>>enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal
>>official."
>>
>>The Wyoming sheriffs are demanding access to all BATF files to verify
>>that the agency is not violating provisions of Wyoming law that prohibit
>>the registration of firearms or the keeping of a registry of firearm
>>owners. The sheriffs are also demanding that federal agencies
>>immediately cease the seizure of private property and the impoundment of
>>private bank accounts without regard to due process in state courts.
>>Sheriff Mattis stated,
>>
>>"I am reacting to the actions of federal employees who have attempted to
>>deprive citizens of my county of their privacy, their liberty, and their
>>property without regard to constitutional safeguards. I hope that more
>>sheriffs all across America will join us in protecting their citizens
>>from the illegal activities of the IRS, EPA, BATF, FBI, or any other
>>federal agency that is operating outside the confines of constitutional
>>law. Employees of the IRS and the EPA are no longer welcome in Bighorn
>>County unless they intend to operate in conformance to constitutional
>>law."
>>
>>This case is evidence that the Tenth Amendment is not yet dead in the
>>United States. It may also be interpreted to mean that political
>>subdivisions of a State are included within the meaning of the
>>amendment, or that the powers exercised by a sheriff are an extension of
>>those common law powers which the Tenth Amendment explicitly reserves to
>>the People, if they are not granted to the federal government and
>>specifically prohibited to the States.
>>
>>Case Notes:
>>
>>Case: Castaneda v. USA
>>
>>Filed: 10th May 1996
>>
>>Closed: 29th April 1997
>>
>>Case No: 2:1996cv00099 Wyoming District Court, Casper
>>
>>Nature of Suit: Civil Rights
>>
>>
>>*******************************************************************
>>
>>A few times a week, on average, I forward messages that I=20
>>consider to be worthwhile. Occasionally I may be inspired to=20
>>write a brief editorial.
>>
>>If you do not want to receive these messages, send me a message=20
>>with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject field.
>>
>>If you would like to begin receiving these messages, send me a
>>message with SUBSCRIBE in the subject field.
>>
>>for Liberty (for all),
>>Bill Utterback
>>BUtterb@connecti.com
>>
>>-----
>>
>>"We have the greatest opportunity the world has ever seen, as long=20
>>as we remain honest -- which will be as long as we can keep the=20
>>attention of our people alive. If they once become inattentive to=20
>>public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and=20
>>governors would all become wolves."
>>Thomas Jefferson
>>
>>"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
>>tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds."
>>Samuel Adams
>>
>>"It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from=20
>>falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the=20
>>Government from falling into error."
>>U.S. Supreme Court in American Communications Association v. Douds,
>>339 U.S. 382,442
>>
>>-----
>>
>>World's Smallest Political Quiz
>>http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html =20
>>
>>Libertarian Party
>>http://www.lp.org/
>>
>>Fully Informed Jury Association
>>http://www.fija.org/
>>
>>Gun Owners of America
>>http://www.gunowners.org/
>>
>>Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
>>http://www.JPFO.org/
>>
>>COPYRIGHT NOTICE-- In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107,
>>any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use
>>without profit or payment to those who have expressed prior interest
>>in receiving this information for nonprofit research and educational
>>purposes only. Ref: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml
>>
>>[------------------------- end of forwarded
>message ------------------------]
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
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From: Joe Sylvester
Subject: 17 More RAID/WMD Teams to be formed
Date: 15 Jan 2000 10:33:09 -0600
WMD=Weapons of Mass Destruction
However these days folks want to declare every semi-auto firearm a WMD,
not to mention pipe bombs and such as that.
http://defence-data.com/current/page6239.htm
14 January 2000
US Secretary of Defence William S. Cohen has announced the stationing plan
for 17 additional Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) Civil Support Teams
(formerly called Rapid Assessment and Initial Detection Teams) using
National Guard personnel. These teams, expected to be established between
March and July 2000, are part of the Department of Defence's overall
efforts to support local, state, and federal civil authorities in the event
of a WMD incident on US soil.
<<>
The Second Amendment is the RESET button
of the United States Constitution.
---Doug McKay"
Joe Sylvester
Don't Tread On Me !
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Possibly Bad Information (fwd)
Date: 15 Jan 2000 08:07:00 PST
On Jan 15, Bill Utterback wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
The message WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS=20
may have been bad information. Or did the records vanish?
Can anyone verify this one way or the other?
Bill Utterback
-----
Case: Castaneda v. USA
Filed: 10th May 1996
Closed: 29th April 1997
Case No: 2:1996cv00099 Wyoming District Court, Casper
Nature of Suit: Civil Rights
> WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS
I just ran a Lexis search using the case name, party names, case number
and a full search of every district court ruling for the month.
THERE IS NO SUCH CASE.
You have been had.
Don't believe me? Hit a library and run a Lexis or Westlaw search
yourself.
And note: these guys cannot seem to say WHICH judge issued this
ficticious order?
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Sheriff Story is Authentic (fwd)
Date: 15 Jan 2000 11:11:26 PST
On Jan 15, Bill Utterback wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
The newspaper article below was written by Phil Hamby and=20
published in 1997 in The Knoxville Journal. I just talked to Phil=20
Hamby on the telephone (423 546-5353) and he confirms that he did=20
write the article and he spoke to Sheriff Mattis on the telephone=20
at the time. He also told me that Sheriff Mattis is no longer in=20
office.
After the Knoxville Journal article below, there is a message I=20
picked up from . He claims to have just spoken=20
to Sheriff Mattis who seems to still be in office. I have no=20
explanation for this apparent discrepancy but, as far as I am=20
concerned, the basic story is authentic and that is as far as I am=20
going to investigate.
Bill Utterback
-----=20
from:
Sheriff boots Feds from his county
By Phil Hamby
Sheriff Dave Mattis of Big Horn County, Wyoming said this week that as
a result of Case # 96-CV099-J, U.S. District Court, District of Wyoming, he
now has a written policy that forbids federal officials from entering his
county and exercising authority over county residents unless he is notified
first of their intentions.
After explaining their mission, Mattis said he grants them permission
to proceed if he is convinced they are operating within the legal
parameters and authority limitations set forth in the U.S. Constitution.
The sheriff grants permission on a case-by-case basis only. When asked
what, if any, repercussions he had gotten from the Feds, he quickly and
confidently replied, None whatsoever.
He explained by saying, They know they do not have jurisdiction in my
count unless I grant it to them.
Mattis clarified his position by saying the federal court had ruled
the state of Wyoming is a sovereign state and the state constitution plainly
states that a county sheriff is the top law enforcement official in the
county.
Additionally, Sheriff Mattis contends that the U.S. Constitution,
Article 1, Section 8, clearly defines the geographic territories where the
federal government has jurisdiction. Amendment X, he said, states that the
powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
to the people.
Therefore, Mattis thoroughly believes the Feds have very limited powers
in any state unless the local high-sheriff allows them to exercise power
beyond that which the Constitution provides. Put another way, Mattis said,
if the sheriff doesn=92t want the Feds in his county, he has the
constitutional power and right to keep them out or ask them to leave.
Accompanied with other legal interpretations Mattis stands on the
definition of the wordsovereign, which is defined by Webster=92s as=
paramount,
supreme. Having supreme rank or power. Independent: a sovereign State.
Mattis said he grew weary of the Feds coming into his county and running
rough-shod over county residents: i.e., illegally searching, seizing
property, confiscating bank accounts, restricting the free use of private
lands and other abuses, without a valid warrant and without first following
due process of law as guaranteed by the Constitution to every citizen.
As long as Mattis remains sheriff he says he will continue to see to it
that the citizens of his county get their day in court.
Mattis went on to say that, to his knowledge, even the IRS has not
attempted to seize any citizen s real property, bank account or any other
private-owned possessions since he ran the Feds out of his county.
Sheriff Mattis emphasized that he is not a radical man. He said he is
only dedicated to protecting the constitutional rights of the citizens of
his county. He added that ordinary citizens are not the only ones bound by
and expected to obey laws. Elected officials and government employees at all
levels of government are also bound by and should be expected to obey
certain laws.
As long as Sheriff Mattis is the high-sheriff of Big Horn County, he
seems determined to make sure private citizens and government officials
alike act within the law and their designated powers.
Sheriff Mattis came across as a soft-spoken, polite man whose only
interest is protecting the citizens he was elected to serve. That being the
case, he might be the sheriff for as long as he wants to be.
Sheriff Mattis is hopeful that other sheriffs will assume the same
stance.
Copyright 1997 The Knoxville Journal
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See also:
http://www.valint.net/php/sew/can/CAN00010.TXT
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a36e8a5d525a6.htm
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Hello to all!=20
A little more then two hours ago I got off the phone with Bighorn County
Sheriff David Mattis. This man is exactly the type of man you would
expect to be involved with setting things straight with the Feds or
whatever other bad guys we're talking about: HONORABLE and TRUSTWORTHY.
During the conversation, without me prompting him, he sincerely spoke
the magic words all REAL SHERIFFS speak: "I want to keep my oath of
office." The importance of those words cannot be overestimated. That is
the only quote I'll give from the conversation and I'm not going to say
anymore about the man David Mattis.
There was in fact a "case" in Wyoming in which the outcome was that ALL
COUNTY SHERIFFS are now demanding that any Federal agent coming into
their counties must first clear with the Sheriff's office. Sheriff
Mattis inherited the case when he was newly elected to Office in '95 as
the defendent. The plaintiff in the case, another good man doing his
duty PERSEVERED. HE WON, SHERIFF MATTIS WON, WE WON!! The case was
settled in Casper, Wyoming by 1997 as reported. The case in question and
the interview reported actually took place. One thing to pass on from
this conversation: the Sheriffs involved want everyone to COOL IT! Let
the dust settle, because NOT ALL of their constituents agree with this
policy and these Sheriffs would like to be elected again. (Remember what
happened to the patriot Sheriff Richard Mack?) You all got the picture?
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: Paul M Watson
Subject: Supremes Will Hear Davidians Appeal!! 1-14-00 (fwd)
Date: 18 Jan 2000 08:33:52 -0600 (CST)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Just got a note from a Davidian prisoners attorney's office:
> We just got a call from the Clerk's office at the Supreme Court and
> she said
> that cert had been granted today in the Waco case!! She said she will
> fax
> the Order to us soon.
>
Go to http://www.kreative.net/carolmoore/waco-news.html
to read the original appeal to Supreme Court and a summary
of whole trial and appeals.
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From: Paul M Watson
Subject: Court TV Waco Show Tues. 1/18 (fwd)
Date: 18 Jan 2000 08:34:15 -0600 (CST)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
http://www.courttv.com/onair/shows/mugshots/episodes/koresh.html
COURT TV (cable)
David Koresh: Reborn in Waco
Premieres Tuesday, January 18
Check your local cable local listing for time.
A riveting profile of the controversial cult figure who took on
the U.S. government. The show features exclusive interviews
with Waco survivor David Thibodeau and David Koresh's
brother, Roger Haldeman, who speaks publicly for the first
time. Koresh's mother, Bonnie Holdman, was also interviewed
and reveals new details about her son's childhood.
Tuesday, January 18th,
8pET/5pPT- Directly after the Court TV
"Mugshots" documentary "David Koresh,
Reborn in Waco", and as part of Court TV
Online's in depth coverage of the subject, chat
with David Thibodeau, author of "A Place
Called Waco," and one of only nine followers
of David Koresh who survived the FBI attack
on the Branch Davidian compound.
Come back Tuesday 1/18 to see In-depth: David Koresh
(photographs, audio files, and documents)
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Court TV Waco Show Tues. 1/18 (fwd) (fwd)
Date: 18 Jan 2000 11:33:44 PST
On Jan 18, Paul M Watson wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
---------- Forwarded message ----------
http://www.courttv.com/onair/shows/mugshots/episodes/koresh.html
COURT TV (cable)
David Koresh: Reborn in Waco
Premieres Tuesday, January 18
Check your local cable local listing for time.
A riveting profile of the controversial cult figure who took on
the U.S. government. The show features exclusive interviews
with Waco survivor David Thibodeau and David Koresh's
brother, Roger Haldeman, who speaks publicly for the first
time. Koresh's mother, Bonnie Holdman, was also interviewed
and reveals new details about her son's childhood.
Tuesday, January 18th,
8pET/5pPT- Directly after the Court TV
"Mugshots" documentary "David Koresh,
Reborn in Waco", and as part of Court TV
Online's in depth coverage of the subject, chat
with David Thibodeau, author of "A Place
Called Waco," and one of only nine followers
of David Koresh who survived the FBI attack
on the Branch Davidian compound.
Come back Tuesday 1/18 to see In-depth: David Koresh
(photographs, audio files, and documents)
[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Supremes Will Hear Davidians Appeal!! 1-14-00 (fwd) (fwd)
Date: 18 Jan 2000 11:34:25 PST
On Jan 18, Paul M Watson wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Just got a note from a Davidian prisoners attorney's office:
> We just got a call from the Clerk's office at the Supreme Court and
> she said
> that cert had been granted today in the Waco case!! She said she will
> fax
> the Order to us soon.
>
Go to http://www.kreative.net/carolmoore/waco-news.html
to read the original appeal to Supreme Court and a summary
of whole trial and appeals.
[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]
--
RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: Paul M Watson
Subject: Senator Clinton or Congressman Clinton
Date: 19 Jan 2000 08:51:26 -0600 (CST)
Arkansas Democrat-Gazette-January 18, 2000
The prodigal returns: Senator Clinton or Congressman Clinton?
No one who's noticed that Bill Clinton's life has been roughly
coincident with his running for public office will be surprised to hear
him musing about running for Congress once his sentence in the White
House is completed.
But why run in Arkansas? Isn't that a bit of a commute from
Chappaqua, N.Y.? Nevertheless, it would be something having the prodigal
home, campaigning at the 'coon supper again, handling folks' problems
with Social Security or the IRS. He might even be able to attract some
government
installation to Arkansas after all these years. And he would be
handy to Susan Webber Wright's court and the Supreme Court's committee
on professional conduct.
What with Nick Wilson no longer in the Legislature, an ethical void
waits to be filled in state government, not to mention the state's
Democratic Party. Do you think it'll be Senator Clinton or Congressman
Clinton who fills it? Whether as senator from Arkansas or congressman
from the Second District, he'd make an interesting role model for our
young people, and a great guest at university seminars about ethics in
government. Perhaps he could talk at the law schools or maybe at an
occasional seminary about perjury--its legal, ethical and theological
ramifications. He could speak from a background few scholars bring to
the subject.
The president was reminded that his running for Congress someday
would not be unprecedented. John Quincy Adams spent 17 years as a U.S.
representative after he left the presidency. This president's interest
in the finer resonances of history remains as sharp as ever. For other
than their possibly sharing a post-White House career on Capitol Hill,
it is hard to think of anything John Quincy Adams might have in common
with William Jefferson Clinton.
Unlike this president, Adams the younger was never a popular leader;
he served only one term in the presidency and was never impeached; there
was nothing hail-fellow-well-met about him (or about any of the other
Adamses); he devoted himself almost exclusively to fighting for great
principles, in particular the cause of human freedom; he took one
unpopular stand after another and paid for them by being defeated at the
polls; he never built a personal political machine and was remarkably
free of partisanship in general; and he successfully argued a landmark
case before the Supreme Court on behalf of liberty and the rule of law.
A federalist by inclination and temperament long after his father's
party had died out and he himself had abandoned it, John Quincy Adams
never suffered a fool or dodged an unpleasant truth in his life. He
abominated small talk and usually settled for muttering. An English
diplomat once described him as "a bulldog among spaniels"--a wholly
unintended compliment.
Not only wouldn't J. Q. Adams have made a modern president, he was
an obsolescent figure by the time he was elected to the office in 1824.
And he was chosen then only by a fluke of the Electoral College--and an
arrangement with Henry Clay that remains controversial to this day. The
acid-tongued John Randolph of Roanoke called it an alliance of "Blifil
and Black George . . . the puritan with the blackleg."
An aristocrat in a dawning mass democracy, John Quincy Adams was
shoved aside as soon as the people could elect a military hero and Man
of the People in Andrew Jackson. Came the election of 1828, and Mr.
Adams found himself denounced not only as a puritan but a menace to
popular government, an old stick with no human feelings--and not without
reason. He proved about as popular as Kenneth Starr, and for some of the
same reasons.
Years later, his own grandson Henry, in The Education of Henry
Adams, a book that still merits re-reading, would accuse his grandfather
John Quincy of being incapable of uttering "a syllable of cant." The man
never heard of public opinion polls or focus groups or triangulation,
and, if he had, one can only imagine the contempt he would have had for
them. He used a conscience instead. He acted as if he had no need for
popularity--in short, as if he were an Adams, and knew who he was.
As a politician, John Quincy Adams doesn't deserve to be mentioned
in the same breath, in the same paragraph or even in the same book as
William Jefferson Clinton or any other great two-time winner of the
presidency like Richard Nixon.
John Quincy Adams' understanding of the uses of patronage was
primitive, his comprehension of the spoils system abysmal. He was an
unregenerate outsider who refused to play the game. When his
postmaster-general insisted on hiring those of another political
persuasion, President Adams refused to interfere. ("I will not dismiss,
or drop from executive offices, able and faithful political opponents to
provide for my own partisans.") An antique in his own time, the man was
light years removed--like a distant sun--from an administration that
could produce Travelgate and then try to avenge itself on a hapless
civil servant like Billy Dale for nothing more than being in its way.
His grandson would sum it up by saying John Quincy Adams was not a
politician but a philosopher. And as one historian of the age commented,
philosophers in government must either cease to be philosophers or cease
to govern. There has never been any great danger that William Jefferson
Clinton would cease to govern, or at least cease to stop running for
office.
In the House, John Quincy Adams would find a better forum for his
quirky ideas about the sanctity of human freedom, and achieve a
greatness beyond any office. His struggle to overturn the gag rule
against anti-slavery petitions in Congress made history. He would serve
in the House till he collapsed on the floor with his boots on and his
principles shined by use. It's hard to imagine old John Quincy doing
anything else--as hard as imagining his abandoning Quincy, Mass.
John Quincy Adams, a forgettable president, was anything but a
forgettable man. In that respect, too, William Jefferson Clinton has it
all over his forgotten predecessor, for as long as the history of
impeachment is studied, Bill Clinton will prove anything but a
forgettable president. He's not only been a president but a precedent.
And he may have only begun to represent Arkansas mores, this time in
Congress.
Now there's a prospect to send one hurrying back to read the dull,
dusty history of the first and only presidential term of John Quincy
Adams--with delight and instruction. For we live in an age when simple
rectitude in a president can seem a fascinating novelty.
This article was published on Tuesday, January 18, 2000
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Fw: Results are in on British Gun Laws (fwd)
Date: 19 Jan 2000 20:40:17 PST
On Jan 19, The McGehee Zone wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 5:24 PM
Planet Times.com
A Weekly Variety Magazine
ISSN 1526-1050
January 19 - January 25, 2000
One Person's Opinion
Results are in on British Gun Laws
Dr. Michael S. Brown
January 19, 2000
Many advocates of gun control point to Great Britain as an example of a
gun free paradise where violence and crime are rare.
Well, there may be trouble in paradise. Our friends across the Atlantic
did tighten their already strict gun laws, with the Firearms Act of
1997, making self defense with a firearm completely impossible for
ordinary people. Obedient British subjects generally maintained a stiff
upper lip as they surrendered their guns and their rights. Howmuch did
crime drop as a result of this sacrifice? It did not drop at all. In
fact, according to the local newspapers, England is being swept by a
wave of crime, including plenty of gun crimes.
The London Times published a story on January 16th that sums up the
situation rather well. The headline reads, "Killings Rise As 3 Million
Illegal Guns Flood Britain". Armed crime rose 10% in 1998 and the
numbers for 1999 may be even more dramatic. The British experiment with
gun prohibition has resulted in the same outcome as other forms of
prohibition. Since guns are banned, every criminal wants one and it is
very profitable to smuggle them in. According to a police spokesman,
weapons from Eastern Europe, some still new in their boxes, are turning
up during investigations. Criminals now have unprecedented access to
high quality guns at affordable prices.
The Manchester Guardian, on January 14th, laments the fact that their
city is being called "Gunchester". Police sources were quoted as saying
that guns had become "almost a fashion accessory" among young criminals
on the street. Some gangs are armed with fully automatic weapons and
the generally unarmed British police say that they risk confronting
teenagers on mountain bikes brandishing machine guns.
The Sunday Express sent a team of reporters out to investigate the
problem and their story of June 20, 1999 said, "In recent months there
have been a frightening number of shootings in Britain's major cities,
despite new laws banning gun ownership after the Dunblane tragedy. Our
investigation established that guns are available through means open to
any criminally minded individual."
The government is expected to respond by further tightening the laws on
weapons of all sorts. Additional regulations controlling knives and
airguns are said to be in the works, although this might be likened to
beating a dead horse. The very act of armed self defense is already
punishable by law. That right has been handed over to the government in
return for a promise of protection.
Perhaps motor vehicles need to be more heavily regulated as well.
According to a commercial security report titled "New Wave in Retail
Crime", British bandits are using vehicles to smash storefronts in a
type of crime called "ramraiding", which would be impractical if
shopkeepers had the option of arming themselves. The report states
that, "Many retailers have actually gone out of business because of the
repeated attacks on their premises."
This recent rise in crime is part of an upward trend that correlates
well with the gradual tightening of gun control over the last several
decades. The relationship between increasing gun control and rising
crime is well documented in a scholarly 1999 report by Olsen and Kopel,
"All the Way Down the Slippery Slope - Gun Prohibition in England".
The traditional view of England as a low crime society has also been
seriously damaged by the 1998 study titled, "Crime and Justice in the
United States and in England and Wales", which is available from the
U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics. This report concludes that English
crime rates in the period from 1981 to 1996 were actually higher than in
the United States due to differences in the way crimes are reported.
The negative result from gun control laws should not surprise us.
American cities have had similar counterproductive results whenever gun
control has been implemented locally. Reports from Australia are
similar. It is no coincidence that crime typically goes up after a
government enacts new gun restrictions. Several American researchers
and criminologists have explored this effect. Whenever people give up
their right to self defense in return for a promise of government
protection, the results have been negative. No amount of social
engineering will change this basic consequence of human nature.
Unfortunately, the downward progression of gun control goes only one
way. British subjects will never regain the basic human right to armed
self defense.
Proponents of gun control in America have a lot of explaining to do.
Unfortunately, with the aid of their media allies, this new information
will probably be ignored completely or brushed off with a few carefully
chosen sound bites.
The author is an optometrist in Vancouver, Washington and moderator of
an e-mail list for discussion of gun issues in Washington State. He may
be contacted by e-mail at: mb@e-z.net
http://www.planettimes.com/index.htm
[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: More info on "moms for guns" (fwd)
Date: 20 Jan 2000 08:41:49 PST
On Jan 20, Doug Spittler wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
>----------
> > From: Moms For Guns
> > To: moms4guns@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Armed Informed Mothers March Update 1/17/2000
> > Date: Monday, January 17, 2000 3:13 AM
> >
> > FROM THE SECOND AMENDMENT SISTERS
> > Armed Informed Mothers March Update 1/17/2000
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > Please reply to: moms4guns@yahoo.com
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > Greetings to our fellow marchers and supporters!
> >
> > Much has been going on in the past week. The big news
> > is that our website is up and running. The address is
> > http://www.northstar90.com/MillionMomMarch/. Changes
> > are being made to the site on a daily basis as new
> > information and ideas come in, so please visit and
> > visit often!
> >
> > You can join the Moms4Guns web ring. If you would
> > like to add your site to our web ring, the
> > instructions are at
> > http://www.northstar90.com/MillionMomMarch/moms4guns.htm.
> >
> >
> > We also have a new mailing address and toll-free
> > number as follows:
> >
> > SAS/AIMM
> > 18484 Preston Rd., Suite 102#141
> > Dallas, Texas 75252
> >
> > Phone: 877-271-6216
> >
> > Many of you have written to ask what we are doing and
> > plan to do. Hopefully, most of your questions will be
> > addressed on the website and in future updates from
> > us. The email response has been overwhelming and
> > makes it impossible to personally reply to everyone.
> > If you have a specific request or need, we ask that
> > you please make it obvious in the subject line of your
> > email. We do read every email. Questions are grouped
> > together for response in our updates.
> >
> > WHAT ARE WE DOING?
> > We are organizing women from across the country to
> > counter the Million Mom March. These women are
> > pushing Congress to further infringe upon our right to
> > bear arms. We want to show Congress and the nation
> > that one million pro-gun control women do not
> > represent the millions of freedom-loving women in our
> > country. Read about the Million Mom March at
> > http://www.millionmommarch.com/ to see what they are
> > up to. We must have numbers and a strong showing in
> > order to represent the real America.
> >
> > WHEN ARE WE DOING IT?
> > The Million Mom March is scheduled for Mother s Day,
> > May 14, 2000. That is when we will also be there to
> > represent the rest of America.
> >
> > WHAT ABOUT ACCOMODATIONS AND TRAVEL?
> > We have a committee working on travel arrangements and
> > accommodations and will have more news about this in
> > the coming weeks. Many have written either inquiring
> > about car pools or offering to car pool. We will put
> > this list together as they come in and will make
> > available to you people from your area who wish to
> > travel together. If you have an interest in car
> > pooling to D.C., please let us know and enter the word
> > CAR POOL in the subject line of your email. Also
> > please be specific as to the area from where you are
> > traveling.
> >
> > HOW CAN I HELP?
> > Now, this is our favorite inquiry! We need help from
> > all around the country. Anything you can do from
> > forwarding this email to everyone in your address book
> > from handing out flyers at gun shows, dropping flyers
> > off at gun shops, help coordinate volunteers in your
> > area please let us know.
> >
> > We need one person from every state to be a State
> > Coordinator. In each state we need several Local
> > Coordinators to help in more local areas such as towns
> > or counties. Note that this is only for the next 12
> > weeks or so. The word needs to go out and go out
> > fast-- so that people can make travel plans. If you
> > are able to help in either capacity or want more
> > information, please write to us and include
> > Coordinator in the subject line of your email.
> >
> > As a footnote, we are now getting requests to appear
> > on radio talk shows that will give us good publicity.
> > We have already been mentioned on several stations.
> > We need your eyes and ears to help us reach more
> > people. Send us your suggestions for radio shows,
> > magazines (especially more localized and less known
> > publications), shooting groups and any other outlet
> > which you believe would help in our cause.
> >
> > We started on our mission of truth only three weeks
> > ago on a Free Republic thread
> > (http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3873813e66a1.htm).
> > A handful of women have given up large parts of their
> > lives to see that the rest of the women of America are
> > not represented by the gun control crowd in
> > Washington. This is a large country. Getting the
> > truth to the entire nation is a big job at best.
> > Please join us and volunteer in any manner. Time is
> > short and critical.
> >
> > Many thanks to all of you who have already donated so
> > much time and effort. Your continued support,
> > encouragement and shared love of our very liberties
> > are our inspiration.
> >
> >
> > S.A.S Executive Committee
> > Debbie, Dianne, Juli, Kim and Mari
> >
> >
> > =====
> > "People who melt their guns to make plows will plow for those who don't."
> ~~ Thomas Jefferson
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Fratrum: Re: National ID Card Back from the Dead... (fwd)
Date: 20 Jan 2000 20:50:47 PST
On Jan 20, Huck wrote:
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Here we go again. What the wording in this seems to imply I think we can all
understand.
Huck
spiker wrote:
> From: apc@americanpolicy.org
>
> *********Sledgehammer*********
> ACTION ALERT
>
> From the American Policy Center
> Tom DeWeese, President
>
> American Policy Center
> 13873 Park Center Road
> Herndon, VA 20171
> 703-925-0881
> FAX: 703-925-0991
> apc@americanpolicy.org
> www.americanpolicy.org
>
> National Identification Card
> Back from the Dead...
>
> It was just this past October that legislation which established a green
> light for creating a National ID system was repealed through the courageous
> efforts of Senator Richard Shelby, numerous Congressmen and the protests of
> hundreds of thousands of Americans like you and me. Now, four months
> later, it has been resurrected.
>
> Congressman Bill Barrett (R-NE) has introduced HR 3429, the Legal
> Employment Authentication Program (LEAP) Act of 1999, a bill that will
> completely reinstate the federal ID system. Barrett's pandering to federal
> bureaucrats and big business--both of whom want the federal government to
> gather information on you for their benefit--will overturn our hard-earned
> victory.
>
> You and I must react swiftly and with force--before this new effort to
> shackle Americans with "Big Brother's" chains has a chance to gain favor in
> Congress. If passed, Barrett's bill will make it federal law that all
> Americans must carry a national identification card at all times.
>
> You will be required to show your ID card in order to cash a check, get on
> a plane or open a bank account. Without your national ID card you will not
> be able to get medical care or get a job. That's right-it gives the
> federal government the power to clear all hiring decisions where even a 1%
> error in the data banks could result in 600,000 wrongful work
> denials. Think of what such an error in your medical file would mean! All
> of your personal information like income, medical records and personal
> family business will all be put into one massive federal data bank in order
> to make the card valid.
>
> This is an invasion of your privacy. It is an invasion of your
> Constitutional rights. It is an outrage.
>
> We must exert pressure to bury this legislation NOW in order to avoid a
> long and costly battle. In addition to calling our own Congressmen we must
> call Congressman Bill Goodling, Chariman of the House Committee on
> Education and the Workforce. His committee will decide whether or not to
> approve HR 3429 and move it to the floor of the House of Representatives
> for a vote. In short, whether or not we are shackled with a National ID
> card is in Chairman Goodling's hands.
>
> ACTION ITEM
>
> 1. Call Congressman Goodling, Chairman of the House Committee on Education
> and the Workforce at (202) 225-4527 and tell him you oppose HR 3429 and any
> other effort which would ultimately give rise to a national ID system.
>
> 2. Call your Congressman (Capitol Hill Switchboard toll-free:
> 888-456-1414 or 202-225-3121) and make him understand that any attempt to
> support such an invasion of our liberties is unprincipled and dishonorable
> for one who was entrusted with the protection of such liberties. Urge him
> to oppose HR 3429.
>
> ********************************************
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Fwd: Special Report -- 1/5/2000 -- Outgunned: How the Network
Date: 20 Jan 2000 20:51:35 PST
On Jan 20, David Hannon wrote:
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>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:25:58 -0500
>From: Charles Guatney
>
>Subject: Special Report -- 1/5/2000 -- Outgunned: How the Network
>News Media Are
> Spinning the Gun Control Debate
>
>You have heard about the study documenting media bias. Well, here it is,
>with all the graphs. This is worth a special place in the Media Hall of
>Shame. Even though it is a special study, few of the literate amongst us
>will be able to share the information with today's liberal/leftist
>citizens who serve their masters/mistresses as unthinking drones, hewing
>to the 'government knows best' line.
>
>http://www.mediaresearch.org/specialreports/news/sr20000105b.html
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [slickplus] VIN: Jan. 20 column -- rich get richer (fwd)
Date: 20 Jan 2000 22:22:29 PST
On Jan 20, RichSlick@aol.com wrote:
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FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED JAN. 20, 2000
THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
The rich get richer, the poor ... pay Social Security tax
It came as no great surprise when two Washington think tanks -- the
Economic Policy Institute and the Center on Budget and Priorities--
reported this week that the gap between America's haves and have-nots has
expanded in the past decade, with the earnings of the poorest fifth
creeping up only 1 percent, while fat-cat income has jumped 15 percent.
"The benefits of this booming economy are not being evenly distributed,"
explained Jared Bernstein, economist at the Economic Policy Institute.
The main questions should be: Is this evil, and should government do
anything about it?
In fact, even the report's authors concede: "In the last few years,
persistent low unemployment and increases in the minimum wage have fueled
wage gains at the bottom. As a result, there has been a lessening of wage
inequality between the bottom and the top, although the gap between middle-
and high-wage workers continues to grow."
Nonetheless, the redistributionists predictably intone in this report
that "As the administration and financing of government programs continue
to be shifted from the federal to the state level, state policy-makers must
be prepared to shoulder additional responsibilities for pushing back
against growing income inequality."
What the states should do, according to the analysts, is continue to
raise the minimum wage; "implement a wide range of supports for low-income
working families"; and, of course "reform regressive state tax systems" --
raise taxes on the rich.
There are a few problems with this prescription.
First, the poor are not worse off in America than they have been.
America's "poor" would be considered wealthy anywhere else in the world.
The statistics used in these studies don't even count non-cash government
benefits to the "poor," like Food Stamps or Medicaid. The Cato Institute
reports America's poor people manage to spend a dollar and a half for every
dollar these government statistics claim they have.
More importantly: If sharecroppers in the 1920s saw their incomes tripled
when they moved to Detroit and went to work building cars for Henry Ford,
but Mr. Ford's own personal income jumped by a factor of 100 in the same
decade, who did that hurt? Would anyone (other than the bureaucrats) have
been better off had government stepped in immediately with punitive taxes
to impoverish the Ford family -- even if the result had been cutbacks and
layoffs at the factories?
Third, many "rich" families were actually in the "poorest fifth" a few
decades ago. Then struggling college kids, they are now two-income couples
at the top of their income potential -- doctors, lawyers, executives and
airline pilots. Is it really right to try and "redistribute" their wealth
to the young, the indolent, or those who decided to drop out of school to
bear illegitimate children, at just the time in their lives when these high
wage earners are finally educating the children they waited for, and trying
to invest for their own retirements?
Finally, there's the question of whether policies advanced by outfits like
the Economic Policy Institute and the Center on Budget and Priorities have
actually contributed to this perceived "problem."
"I find there's a great deal of irony here," explains Michael Tanner of
the Cato Institute.
"It's true that wealth is moving into fewer and fewer hands. We are in a
society where about one fifth of the society holds about half of all the
wealth. But these two groups (that issued the report) are the most active
in fighting the remedy ... which is primarily Social Security
privatization.
"The real reason for the wealth gap is that the wealthy can invest, and
the poor can't," Mr. Tanner explains. The poor are "left with 12 and a half
percent going into the Social Security program, which has a negative return
and leaves them nothing to invest anywhere that will generate real wealth."
Martin Feldstein at Harvard has estimated privatizing Social Security
would cut the "wealth gap" about in half, Mr. Tanner reports.
"We still have one of the most mobile societies in terms as moving from
rich and poor, and vice versa. In 10 years, 14 percent of the poor will
still be poor, and 14 percent will be rich. It's just that wages are
becoming progressively less important; we have to create opportunities to
invest," Mr. Tanner concludes.
Which means freeing the poor from the Social Security Ponzi scheme --
often the single biggest tax they pay.
As mundane as it may sound, incomes are still generally a factor of job
skills and early life decisions. The best way to become financially secure
in life is to complete one's education, get a job, and marry before having
children. If state governments instead follow these analysts' advice and
intervene with ever more redistributionist tax schemes -- removing both the
incentives for those who work hard, and the real-world disincentives and
penalties for those who indulge dead-end behaviors -- who do we really
think that's going to help?
Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas
Review-Journal. His new book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the
Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available by dialing 1-800-244-2224.
***
Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com
"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John
Hay, 1872
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thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series
of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: TAKE BACK YOUR COUNTRY - RUNNING CAMPAIGNS (fwd)
Date: 21 Jan 2000 12:17:52 PST
On Jan 21, Weldon Clark wrote:
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TAKE BACK YOUR COUNTRY - RUNNING CAMPAIGNS
In order to regain your rights and keep your guns from
government theft it is necessary to control politicians.
Elections are politician control.
THE BASIC POLITICAL PRINCIPLE In order to achieve
legislative results it is necessary to achieve political results.
Regarding either elections or passing legislation, if you do not
have the votes you will lose. Influencing politicians to vote
your way is achieved by the application of political power.
Political power is the ability to influence the outcome of an
election ONLY. No politicians can be "controlled" once in
office. They can only be controlled by elections. Again--
elections are politician control!
GENERAL RULES CONCERNING INCUMBENTS AND
CANDIDATES
1. If an incumbent votes with you, you support him. His
opponent may promise more than the incumbent, but the
opponent may be lying. If you do not support a politician who
votes your way, he will have no reason to stick with you and
neither will the rest of the incumbents.
2. If an incumbent votes against you, you oppose him. If you
do not, he will receive no meaningful negative feedback for
his bad vote. It does not matter that his opponent may turn
out to be worse.
3. In open seats look for the good and the bad in the
candidates for that seat. The NRA questionnaire is useful and
it puts the candidate on notice regarding our issues.
However, politicians lie. The most accurate record of what a
politician will do is to check what he has done in the past in
another political office he has held.
4. Primary elections require fewer votes to win, and therefore
each vote has a greater impact than in the general election.
This is an excellent point to weed out the bad candidate.
REQUIREMENTS FOR WINNING THE CAMPAIGN
CANDIDATE You cannot beat something with nothing. If you
wish to replace an incumbent he must have a strong
opponent who is willing to spend the money to communicate
(usually by mail) to all voters.
TIME - Each step in the political process has a deadline.
Everything you do in a campaign must be done before the
election and on schedule. If there is one ILA failing, it is
timely, accurate two-way communications between staff and
local KNOWLEDGEABLE activists. The problem is finding
good, knowledgeable activists and maintaining timely two-
way communication. For a typical state legislative race
approximately 4 months
MONEY - You must have the money to spend on your
communications to voter. This is usually equal to number of
households times postage plus printing.
PEOPLE - You need people to do everything that needs
doing in a campaign. These people will also be a visible
demonstration that your campaign has the support of the
people in the voting district. The NRA Grass Roots program
is a way to find the necessary people.
RULES FOR RUNNING THE CAMPAIGN
ISSUES - In a campaign, in order to win your must use ANY
and ALL issue against your opponent
NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNS - Negative campaigns work.
However, the negative charges must be made by a credible
OUTSIDE person or group--NOT the candidate you wish to
win, NOR his party. This works best if the OUTSIDE person
or group is local to the area and well-known. We hope YOU
can be this person. All politics is local.
LIES MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO STAND - Each lie or
false charge in a campaign must be answered promptly and
answered directly to the voters in the district.
COMMUNICATIONS - Communications such as mailings
only work if they arrive in a timely fashion. There are three
reasons to make them: (1) To spread the word about events
and proposals that the media will not broadcast. (2) To raise
money. (3) To increase membership in you're voting bloc or
interest group (such as the NRA). The persons you are
mailing to must be the ones who will vote your way with the
information you give them. You must get a list of such
persons. The list of voters is one place to start. However
these are all kinds of people including anti-gun people. You
can use list of "customers" of your favorite place to shop for
the thinks you like if the owner will trust you.
RULES Some states have run-off elections and some do not.
If it is a primary contest, many fewer votes are needed to win.
SOMETHING TO REMEMBER At any time, about 66% of the
people are of voting age. Of these, 50% to 60% will vote in a
general election. This means that if the vote is split fifty/fifty
between two candidates, each candidate receives at most
about 19% of the available votes. Therefore, motivating only
a few percentage points of the voters on any issue can
change the outcome.
FIRST CAMPAIGN EXAMPLE This is a campaign in which I
was involved. In this case we had a member of the state
house of representatives who was introducing bad gun bills
and pushing them every legislative session. Right after the
legislative session was over; I got one other person to form a
political committee with me. We filed with the state board of
elections. Here was our situation:
Time -- We had 4 months to organize.
Money -- We decided to split the cost of 3000 post cards and
printing between us. In a larger campaign you must ask your
friends and fellow club members for the money to operate the
campaign. Do this by mail, and call and visit those who can
give a little more.
People -- We used approximately 9 volunteers to clear an old
mailing list. We gathered the names and addresses of
firearms owners from THOSE WHO HAD THEM. I worked
each gun club giving each secretary enough cards to cover
all club members in the zip codes of the politician we were
trying to defeat. They would not give us the list but were glad
to mail the cards.
Negative Campaign--We ran a negative campaign on the gun
issue.
Communications -- We wrote up in 250 words the politician's
bill and what it would do to gun owners. We used his voting
record and the bills he introduced and almost got passed. It
was a difficult job coming up with those 250 words. We
stressed that violating his proposed law would have
subjected gun owners to a $1000 fine a year in prison and
loss of the right to ever again own firearms. Post cards have
the following advantages: they are first class mail, they do not
have to be opened, and since people get so few of them they
read them.
Rules -- The campaign was in a Democratic primary in a
liberal Jewish district. There were 11 candidates. The top 3
candidates got the Democratic nomination. All three
incumbents were running, including the politician we wished
to defeat.
Results -- We mailed the postcards a week and a half before
the election. There were 11000 votes cast. The politician we
were trying to defeat was number FOUR in the voting by 333
votes. He lost. We won.
SECOND CAMPAIGN EXAMPLE This campaign was in the
rural South. In this district the incumbent was strongly pro-
gun, but he had won by only 77 votes in a special election. In
the voting district there existed a small pro-gun, conservative
newspaper. The largest newspaper was typical media
garbage. In this election we decided to latch onto the small
paper's credibility. We got a group of volunteers to contribute
money to the paper so it could afford a special edition. In the
mean time we had a volunteer use his computer to strip out
all black voters since they usually vote Democrat. (If I had
found black voters who would have voted for us I would have
communicated with them.) Our opponent was a trial lawyer,
so we had the computer volunteer strip out all lawyers.
Finally, we stripped out all known friends of the opponent.
Then we had our computer volunteer print out male heads of
households on labels. If the head of household was a
woman she got the mailing. The special edition of the paper
contained a very good article on our candidate, a damaging
article on the opponent, and an article by me on what our
candidate had done for gun owners. We also posted signs
for our progun candidate at a gun show the weekend before
the election. I posted one on every wall and pole facing the
people at the gun show. I also posted them in the men's
room on the door of each stall and over every urinal. Our
candidate won by 150 votes per precinct, with a final tally of
60% of the vote.
THIRD CAMPAIGN EXAMPLE This campaign, which I was
not involved, was used against the infamous anti-gun
politician Roberti in California. The progun activists used a
novel technique. They mailed to gun club members and
progun people, asking them for money and for mailing
volunteers. The volunteers were given a prepared information
sheet and pre-printed labels addressed to the voters in the
politician's district, and were asked to send copies of the
information sheet to these voters. The activists found that
they could get much greater results with the volunteer mailers
than they ever could by asking for money and doing the
mailings themselves. As well, the volunteers enjoyed it and
this campaign technique, repeated many times, brought
down the most powerful man in the California state senate.
This was part 5 of a 5 parts series.
ConfiscationDefense_1.doc
Go On the offensive 10_CAO_2.doc
12_EffectiveLobbying_3.doc
Unregistering your gun 17_AdviceonStayingFree_4.doc
Running Political Campaigns 19_WinningCampaign_5.doc
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Fwd: Presidential Candidates' Platforms (2/2) (fwd)
Date: 22 Jan 2000 14:44:54 PST
On Jan 22, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote:
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Forbes: ``Major military buildup.'' Build national missile defense system. Favored NATO expansion. Supports ``don't ask, don't tell'' policy.
Gore: Unspecified ``sensible'' increase in defense spending. Has helped negotiate arms reduction and nuclear stability arrangements. As senator, voted for SDI and B-2s. Supports letting gays serve openly.
Hatch: Would greatly increase defense spending. Voted to make closing of military bases by administration more difficult.
Keyes: Criticized U.S. intervention in Kosovo as precedent for ``new internationalism,'' but supported strikes against alleged terrorist targets in Sudan and Afghanistan. Restore ban on gays in military.
McCain: Close more bases to save $4 billion, build national missile defense system, spend $4.3 billion more over three years to raise military pay and get thousands of personnel off food stamps. Exempt personnel overseas from federal income tax. Lists C13
On whether they supported the treaty, rejected by the Senate, to ban nuclear tests:
Bauer: No.
Bradley: Yes.
Buchanan: No.
Bush: No.
Forbes: No.
Gore: Yes.
Hatch: No.
Keyes: No.
McCain: No.
EDUCATION:
Snapshot: More than 53 million children set a public school enrollment record in 1999. SAT scores for college-bound seniors have recovered to early 1970s levels in math but verbal scores are down.
On whether federal tax dollars should be used to help parents send their children to private schools:
Bauer: Yes, and for home schooling as well. Experiments have been ``very encouraging, and if activist judges allow them to continue and expand, will increase the pressure on urban public schools to improve their performance.''
Bradley: Skeptical, although voted for experimental voucher programs in the past. ``I do not support any measures that divert funding from public to private schools.''
Buchanan: Yes. ``Vouchers, but without strings - we don't want the government following vouchers into religious schools.''
Bush: Yes. Scholarships of $1,500 a year for children in public schools that fail state testing for three years. The money could be used for private schooling, tutoring or ``whatever offers hope. ''
Forbes: Yes, and for home schooling as well. ``I will immediately turn federal education funds into block grants for states and local communities with this directive: Give parents the freedom to choose schools that work.''
Gore: No. Favors more choice among public schools. ``I believe we must focus our efforts on strengthening the public schools that serve nearly 90 percent of our nation's schoolchildren.''
Hatch: Yes. ``We should do what we can to assist our public schools, but we should never allow children to get trapped in poorly performing schools.''
Keyes: Yes.
McCain: Yes. School vouchers worth $2,000 for disadvantaged children under three-year, $5.4 billion program to be paid for by eliminating ethanol, gas and oil subsidies, and sugar price supports. ``Tuition vouchers would give low-income families the same
On public education:
Bauer: Turn more federal responsibilities over to states and localities.
Bradley: Each year forgive student loans for 60,000 college students, high school graduates and mid-career professionals who certify as teachers and commit to serving in poor urban or rural schools. Add new Head Start slots for 400,000 children.
Buchanan: End federal role in primary and secondary education, sending block grants to the states with the directive that school decisions be made at the local level.
Bush: $300 million fund in first five years to reward states that improve student performance. In states where test scores do not improve, 5 percent of federal education financing would be shifted to charter schools. Guarantee $3 billion in loans in two y
Forbes: Send federal block grants to communities with the directive to let parents choose form of education. Eliminate federal Goals 2000 and School-to-Work program.
Gore: $50 billion to make preschool universally available as part of $115 billion, 10-year plan. Proposal includes raises of up to $5,000 for public school teachers who meet certain standards in poor and rural areas, and an extra $5,000 in pay for ``maste
Hatch: Slightly increase spending overall. Favors federal spending, normally reserved for states and localities, on school buildings.
Keyes: Close Education Department, let parents decide what to do with their share of federal money for schools.
McCain:Tax credit for people who donate up to $200 a year to any public or private school. Tougher teacher testing. Slightly increase spending overall.
ENVIRONMENT:
Snapshot: U.S. per-capita emissions of carbon dioxide - considered a greenhouse gas - and the nation's energy consumption dwarf rates in all other industrialized countries except Canada. Air quality overall has improved in the United States in the last 10
Bauer: Make states fully compensate citizens when regulation limits use of their land. Promote alternative fuels. Opposes unratified Kyoto accord on global warming.
Bradley: Create $250 million annual fund for coastal protection and restoration on top of existing programs, and give states more authority to rule against harmful coastal or offshore development. Critical of Clinton administration's executive order aimed
Buchanan: Give hundreds of millions of acres of land managed by Washington to states unconditionally. Prohibit designation of endangered species without vote in Congress. Opposes Kyoto treaty.
Bush: Supports the limited moratorium on California and Florida offshore drilling. Is becoming ``more convinced'' global warming exists but opposes Kyoto accord. Unspecified increase in spending on conservation. In 1998 favored changing federal law to lim
Forbes: ``Conservative, free market vision of environmental stewardship.'' Make states fully compensate citizens for land regulation. Calls claims about global warming ``deeply flawed'' and opposes Kyoto treaty.
Gore: Ban all new offshore oil drilling in federal waters off Florida and California, including zones where companies have spent billions to secure drilling rights. Spend $2 billion over 10 years to set aside more parkland, paying for it with new mining r
Hatch: Backed subsidies, but not mandates, for use of alternative fuels. Would limit president's ability to designate vast tracts of land as national monuments by executive decision. Called Kyoto treaty ``environmental extremism at its worst. '' Strengthe
Keyes: Reduce federal regulation, make states fully compensate citizens for land regulation, promote selling of pollution credits between nations, raise federal mining royalties. Opposes Kyoto treaty.
McCain: Upgrade national parks, using public and private money to eliminate a $5 billion backlog in projects in eight years. Would rescind Clinton administration's order limiting logging in national forests. Strengthen regulation of nuclear fuel and waste
FARM POLICY:
Snapshot: The federal government spent a record $22.7 billion last year in direct payments to farmers. Most candidates propose expanding foreign markets for U.S. agriculture. In addition:
Bauer: Keep ethanol tax break, extend federally supported crop insurance to livestock farmers, let farmers put 20 percent of taxable income into five year, tax-deferred accounts. Heavy federal aid recently ``is not too much, given the severity of the comm
Bradley: Former opponent of ethanol tax breaks now supports them. Says he regrets voting for the law that scaled back government price guarantees for crops. But overall, ``government support has not been helping the family farmer.''
Buchanan: ``Support ethanol production,'' exempt farmers from federal job-safety and most other regulations, lower taxes. U.S. needs a crackdown on unfair food imports. ``Until we get it, let's help the farmers out.''
Bush: Keep ethanol t
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Fwd: Presidential Candidates' Platforms (1/2) (fwd)
Date: 22 Jan 2000 14:43:50 PST
On Jan 22, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote:
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Note how the "snapshot" shapes the debate...NO mention of the lives saved by
lawful self defense
<< GUN CONTROL:
Snapshot: The United States had 32,436 firearm deaths in 1997. Homicides are
the second leading cause of gun deaths, behind suicide. Homicide handgun
deaths fell to a 9-year low of 9,796 in 1997.
Bauer: Enforce existing laws.
Bradley: Supports mandatory licenses for handgun buyers and registration for
their guns, as well as ban on ``Saturday night specials.'' Would raise
license fees on dealers to reduce their number.
Buchanan: ``No compromise'' on gun rights. Deny convicted felons right to
own firearms.
Bush: Enforce existing laws. Raise age for handgun purchases to 21. Supports
instant background checks at gun shows, opposes universal gun registration.
Signed laws in Texas permitting carrying of concealed weapons and protecting
gun makers from lawsuits from cities.
Forbes: Enforce existing laws and have states, not Washington, set firearm
standards.
Gore: Supports mandatory photo ID licenses for handgun buyers. Would require
manufacturers and federally licensed sellers to report gun sales to a state
authority to help trace the owner when gun is used in crime. Supports banning
``Saturday night specials.'' In 1999, cast tie-breaking Senate vote to expand
background checks to gun shows and require safety devices, but measure did
not become law
Hatch: Enforce existing laws. Extend background checks to gun shows and
expand them to look for history of mental problems. Cosponsored bill to
toughen gun-show restrictions and deny juveniles convicted of felonies the
right to gun ownership for life. Require child-safety locks.
Keyes: Right to gun ownership is essential to duty of citizens to ``resist
and overthrow the power responsible'' if their rights are being
``systematically violated.'' Repeal federal gun restrictions for law-abiding
citizens.
McCain: Favors instant criminal background checks on all gun purchases.
Opposes waiting periods. Opposed ban on assault-type weapons. Mandatory
child-safety locks.
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Presidential Candidates' Platforms
.c The Associated Press
By CALVIN WOODWARD
WASHINGTON (AP) - Campaign platforms sketched in faint outline months ago have color, shading and even some bold strokes now.
A new day can always bring a new promise from the presidential candidates and some gaps remain in major policy areas. But in large measure, the candidates have weighed in on the issues that motivate them now, and even some that do not.
Here, on a variety of issues, are positions of Democrats Bill Bradley and Al Gore, Reform Party contender Pat Buchanan and Republicans Gary Bauer, George W. Bush, Steve Forbes, Orrin Hatch, Alan Keyes and John McCain:
ABORTION:
Snapshot: About 23 percent of U.S. pregnancies end in abortion. The abortion rate is at a two-decade low, largely because of more effective contraception.
On nominating only Supreme Court justices who oppose abortion rights:
Bauer: Yes.
Bradley: No.
Buchanan: Yes.
Bush: No.
Forbes: Yes.
Gore: No.
Hatch: No.
Keyes: Yes.
McCain: No.
On when abortion should be permitted:
Bauer: Opposes abortion rights, would make anti-abortion constitutional amendment a priority.
Bradley: Abortion is a legal right and private decision between a woman and her doctor. Supports federal financing of abortions for women on Medicaid.
Buchanan: Opposes abortion rights, would make anti-abortion amendment a priority.
Bush: Only in cases of rape, incest or when a woman's life is in jeopardy from the pregnancy, but would not make anti-abortion constitutional amendment a priority.
Forbes: Only in cases of rape, incest or when a woman's life is endangered. Would ban certain late-term abortions and says constitutional amendment is a priority that he would not immediately force on Congress but try to achieve through public and politic
Gore: Abortion is ``fundamental personal right.'' Supports Medicaid abortion financing despite past statements to the contrary.
Hatch: Only in cases of rape, incest or when a woman's life is endangered.
Keyes: Only as a ``collateral and unintended consequence'' of saving a woman's life.
McCain: Only in cases of rape, incest or when a woman's life is endangered.
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION:
Snapshot: About 15 percent of blacks and 11 percent of Hispanics aged 25-29 have graduated from college, compared with 29 percent of whites. In an example of federal affirmative action, large contractors supplying the government must have programs encoura
Bauer: Opposes racial preferences.
Bradley: Favors. ``I think that it is very important that leadership uses affirmative action.''
Buchanan: Opposes. ``No set asides, no forced busing, no mandatory hiring, no affirmative action.''
Bush: Opposes racial preferences. Supports Texas law requiring public universities to admit the top 10 percent of every high school's graduating class.
Forbes: Opposes set-asides and racial preferences.
Gore: Criticized efforts to roll back affirmative action. ``I support vigorous enforcement of our laws against discrimination, including affirmative action.''
Hatch: Sponsored bill to end preferences based on race and sex in more than 150 federal programs.
Keyes: Opposes. Sole black candidate says any preferential treatment is ``patronizing.''
McCain: Favors in limited cases. Voted to maintain program that encourages the awarding of 10 percent of federal highway construction spending to women and minorities.
CAMPAIGN FINANCE:
Snapshot: Corporations, lobbyists, unions, political action committees and individuals can give unlimited ``soft money'' to parties that cannot be spent directly on candidates but often ends up helping or hurting them. Presidential candidates who do not t
Most candidates say they favor increased disclosure of campaign finance information. Republicans would require unions to get members' permission before using dues for political advocacy. As well:
Bauer: Ban soft money, raise $1,000 individual contribution limit.
Bradley: Ban soft money to national parties and prohibit state party committees from spending their soft money to influence federal elections. Increase taxpayer financing of elections and require all broadcasters to give candidates free time.
Buchanan: Ban corporate donations to national parties, prohibit PACs from giving to candidates for federal office and national party committees, require 75 percent of campaign funds to come from a senator's state or representative's district. Five-year ba
Bush: First presidential candidate ever to raise more than $50 million would ban soft money from corporations and unions, but not from other groups, and raise the limit on individual contributions. Refusing federal matching funds.
Forbes: Would allow soft money and raise or abolish caps on personal contributions to campaigns. Prohibit PAC contributions to federal candidates. Not taking federal matching funds and favors eliminating them.
Gore: Ban soft money in future campaigns and increase taxpayer financing of elections. Require TV networks to give candidates free time.
Hatch: Allow soft money, raise individual contribution limit.
Keyes: Ban soft money, prohibit PACs from giving to federal candidates, increase individual contribution limit, stop matching funds.
McCain: Has tried unsuccessfully for four straight years to get Senate to adopt stricter fund-raising controls, including ban on soft money. Would stop matching funds for presidential campaigns, make congressional candidates raise over half their campaign
CHILD CARE:
Snapshot: An estimated 68 percent of married women with children work full time or part time for pay. The percentage of employees with flexible work hours almost doubled last decade. Parents working for large companies are entitled to up to 12 weeks of un
Bauer: Lobbied for $500 per child tax credit.
Bradley: Wants $2 billion per year in public-private partnerships for early child care and education. Families that don't make enough to pay income tax - and can't take the dependent care tax credit - would get the equivalent in cash (average of $470 per
Buchanan: No known position.
Bush: Unspecified extra spending on after-school programs as well as encouraging churches and charities to sponsor such programs. Double child tax credit to $1,000.
Forbes: Says a low flat tax is key to easing work pressure on families; critical of family-leave mandates. ``What parents need is more family time, less overtime. Tax cuts are the surest means to that end.''
Gore: $50 billion over 10 years in federal matching funds with states to make preschool available to all 4-year-olds and more children 3 and younger. Extra spending on child care, including subsidies and tax credits for low-income families and mothers at
Hatch: Pushed legislation to subsidize child care and protect jobs of mothers returning to work.
Keyes: No known position.
McCain: Double child tax credit to $1,000.
DEFENSE:
Snapshot: The U.S. government spends about 16 percent of its budget on defense, down from about 50 percent in the early 1960s. The number of active-duty troops has dropped by about one-third since the end of the Cold War.
Bauer: Increase military spending, expand NATO, develop national missile defense system. Restore ban on gays in military.
Bradley: Sees no need to increase defense spending. As senator voted against Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) deployment and B-2 stealth bombers, and for sanctions instead of military force against Iraq. Let gays serve openly.
Buchanan: ``Retrench and rearm,'' return many troops from abroad, build national missile defense system. Assure Russia of no more NATO expansion on condition of Russia's non-intervention in nearby states. Opposes nuclear test ban treaty. Previously oppose
Bush: Increase weapons research and development spending by $20 billion over five years, spend extra $1 billion a year to raise military salaries beyond recent pay increase, build missile defense systems for deployment inside and outside U.S. Supports mon
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weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
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ax breaks, lower taxes. ``I have supported disaster relief to help our farmers weather crises and programs to help transition to a market economy.''
Forbes: Lower taxes and interest rates. Supports ethanol tax breaks for about seven more years while preparing industry to live without them. Some emergency economic aid is needed for agriculture but ``American farmers and ranchers know government assista
Gore: Keep ethanol tax breaks. Supported farm subsidies in Senate, including tobacco subsidies. ``I will shore up the safety net for family farmers'' with stronger income stability programs and federally backed insurance.
Hatch: Keep ethanol tax breaks. ``We must support American farmers with appropriate safety net programs, but we must not make decisions for them about what to plant and when to plant it.''
Keyes: Sees centralized banking system as key to decline of family farms, opposes unspecified ``shortsighted socialist policies'' in farm aid.
McCain: End ethanol tax breaks and sugar price supports, using savings for school vouchers, and reduce taxes. ``We need fiscally responsible reform of our farm policies to provide assistance to farmers who truly need it and promote efficient, free-market
FOREIGN POLICY:
Snapshot: The U.S. government spends less than 1 percent of its budget on non-military foreign affairs, including foreign aid. That's down from 4.5 percent in 1965.
Bauer: Defeat ``isolationist voices.'' ``America is called to use its power abroad.'' Abolish International Monetary Fund. U.S. should not have ground troops in Kosovo. Extend full diplomatic relations to Taiwan.
Bradley: U.S. should depend more on international organizations to respond to ethnic conflicts. Says the five countries of most importance to U.S. interests are China, Germany, Japan, Mexico, Russia.
Buchanan: End foreign aid, except assistance for natural disasters. ``I intend to isolate America from all the bloody territorial, tribal and ethnic wars.'' NATO campaign for Kosovo was ``illegal war on Serbia.'' Would withdraw U.S. from unspecified ``int
Bush: Isolationism and trade protectionism are a ``shortcut to chaos, an approach that abandons our allies and our ideals. The vacuum left by America's retreat would invite challenges to our power.'' Move U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. Keep sanction
Forbes: Goals include ``free markets, free elections and freedom to worship around the globe.'' Abolish IMF. Full diplomatic relations for Taiwan. European Union is ``misguided global institution.'' No ground troops in Kosovo.
Gore: Unspecified extra spending on foreign affairs. U.S. should show willingness to ``use our strength - to lead the world toward what is right and just.''
Hatch: No U.S. involvement in foreign struggles for independence. Backs IMF. Keep troops in Kosovo for now. Undecided on Taiwan.
Keyes: Former U.S. diplomat at United Nations calls the international body ``source of pernicious and dangerously naive globalist dreams.'' No ground troops in Kosovo. Full diplomatic relations for Taiwan.
McCain: ``Despite the isolationist views of a distinct minority, we have every intention of continuing to use our primacy in world affairs for humanity's benefit.'' U.S. should support forces trying to overthrow regimes in Iraq, North Korea and other ``ro
GUN CONTROL:
Snapshot: The United States had 32,436 firearm deaths in 1997. Homicides are the second leading cause of gun deaths, behind suicide. Homicide handgun deaths fell to a 9-year low of 9,796 in 1997.
Bauer: Enforce existing laws.
Bradley: Supports mandatory licenses for handgun buyers and registration for their guns, as well as ban on ``Saturday night specials.'' Would raise license fees on dealers to reduce their number.
Buchanan: ``No compromise'' on gun rights. Deny convicted felons right to own firearms.
Bush: Enforce existing laws. Raise age for handgun purchases to 21. Supports instant background checks at gun shows, opposes universal gun registration. Signed laws in Texas permitting carrying of concealed weapons and protecting gun makers from lawsuits
Forbes: Enforce existing laws and have states, not Washington, set firearm standards.
Gore: Supports mandatory photo ID licenses for handgun buyers. Would require manufacturers and federally licensed sellers to report gun sales to a state authority to help trace the owner when gun is used in crime. Supports banning ``Saturday night special
Hatch: Enforce existing laws. Extend background checks to gun shows and expand them to look for history of mental problems. Cosponsored bill to toughen gun-show restrictions and deny juveniles convicted of felonies the right to gun ownership for life. Req
Keyes: Right to gun ownership is essential to duty of citizens to ``resist and overthrow the power responsible'' if their rights are being ``systematically violated.'' Repeal federal gun restrictions for law-abiding citizens.
McCain: Favors instant criminal background checks on all gun purchases. Opposes waiting periods. Opposed ban on assault-type weapons. Mandatory child-safety locks.
HEALTH CARE:
Snapshot: An estimated 44.3 million Americans - one in six - have no health insurance. Among them are 11 million children.
On expanding health coverage:
Bauer: Expand option of medical savings accounts - tax-free accounts people can use for routine health bills and to save up for premiums for high-deductible health plans covering major expenses.
...Forbes: Expand medical savings accounts.
IMMIGRATION:
LABOR:
Bauer: Yes.
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From: Paul M Watson
Subject: [PROVE] Medical Privacy Presentation (fwd)
Date: 24 Jan 2000 07:36:23 -0600 (CST)
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Dear PROVE members,
Last year I was invited to sit on a statewide HHS task force sponsored by
the Texas Conservative Coalition Research Institute which is taking a year
long study on the problems in our health care system that can be addressed
by applying the conservative principles of limited government, individual
liberty, free markets, and traditional family values. It is composed of
legislators, industry representatives, health policy think tank
organizations and government employees dedicated to the principles above. =
I
am there representing PROVE's mission and it is the first time that vaccine
issues are being represented in this type of a forum in Texas and I am very
excited about it. The task force is hoping to promote their findings to
other states to duplicate the efforts here. Today, in an all day session,
we talked about how federal issues affect the state, and I was asked to
present on medical privacy because of all our work fighting immunization
registries. I want to thank my husband Scott for being willing to be Mr.
Mom one day every month so I can participate. Here is my presentation that
I gave today. Dawn
The Federal Erosion of Medical Privacy
By Dawn Richardson
President, PROVE
LIFT Texas HHS Task Force Member
Presented to:
LIFT Texas Task Force: A Principled Approach to Health and Human Services
January 21, 2000
The Influence of Federal Policy on Texas Health Care
Hello. My name is Dawn Richardson. I feel privileged to have the
opportunity today to direct your attention to the accelerated erosion of th=
e
privacy and confidentiality of our individual health records by federal
government initiatives and programs.
There is an alarming trend of federal health programs exploiting the
accessibility of an individual's electronic medical record through
persistent and continuous attempts to capture and store our personal
intimate medical details without our consent under the pretext of regulatin=
g
costs and improving public health and the quality of health care.
The question we must all ask ourselves as the ownership of our medical
records continues to evolve away from us and towards the federal government=
,
is this the path that we want health care in this country to continue on?
If so, we need do nothing since the momentum is in place. However, if we
value choices in treatment options, a private relationship with a health
care provider we choose, individual medical care decisions being made in ou=
r
personal best interest, innovative medical research, and health care cost
containment through free markets, we need to reverse this trend and assert
that medical records are our private property and access to them should be
controlled by a contract between the patient and the provider and/or payer,
not the federal government.
IMPENDING FEDERAL THREATS TO MEDICAL PRIVACY
HHS Proposed Medical Privacy Regulations
The most imminent threat to medical privacy is posed by the U.S. Department
of Health and Human Services' (HHS) proposed medical privacy regulations
governing electronic medical records published in the Federal Register on
November 3, 1999.1 Applying to all individuals, whether their health care
is paid for privately or by the government, the proposed rule would
dangerously grant federal, state, and local government health employees
broad unrestricted access and control of our identifying and private medica=
l
information without our consent for anything that can be linked to the
HHS-defined "national priority purposes" of research, public health,
government health data systems, law enforcement and oversight of the health
care system.2
The section of the proposed rule posing the greatest threat to medical
privacy is entitled "Uses and Disclosures Permitted Without Individual
Authorization." Unconsented disclosures are rationalized for "public healt=
h
surveillance, investigations and interventions." Immunization and cancer
registries are cited as beneficiaries of this governmental information grab=
=2E
HHS states in the proposed rule, "We considered requiring individual
authorization for certain public health disclosures, but rejected this
approach because many important public health activities would not be
possible if individual authorization were required." They also state, "We
also considered limiting certain public health disclosures to de-identified
health information=85While de-identified information could be appropriate f=
or
many public health activities, there are also many public health activities
that require individual identifiers=85Instead, we rely on the judgment of
public health authorities as to what information would be necessary for a
public health activity."3
Specific government agencies listed as being granted access to individual
identifiable medical records under the pretext of "oversight" include "Stat=
e
insurance commissions, State health professional licensure agencies, Office=
s
of Inspectors General of federal agencies, the Department of Justice, State
Medicaid fraud control units, Defense Criminal Investigative Services, the
Pension and Welfare Benefit Administration, the HHS Office for Civil Rights=
,
the FDA, the Social Security Administration, the Department of Education,
the Occupational Health and Safety Administration and the Environmental
Protection Agency."4
HHS also proposes "to permit covered entities to disclose protected health
information to a law enforcement official without individual authorization
for the conduct of lawful intelligence activities"5 and "to permit covered
entities to use and disclose protected health information for research
without individual authorization"6 thus making all citizens nonconsenting
research subjects in a wide variety of federal public health policy
experiments. If you can believe it, HHS even proposes to release our
private medical details without our consent to banks to process health care
payments and premiums.7
According to the comments submitted in opposition to the proposed rule by
the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, "=85the Secretary is
asserting the authority to circumscribe individual privacy to the narrowest
possible realm, which is contrary to the stated purpose of both the statute
and the regulations. Neither the statute nor the U.S. Constitution gives th=
e
Executive Branch the authority to define national priorities that override
fundamental individual rights, or to monitor all medical care."8
I would like to encourage each individual member of this task force and the
task force as a body to submit comments to HHS recommending that this rule
be withdrawn and rewritten entirely to conform to statutory and
constitutional limitations. HHS will accept public comment on the proposed
rule until February 17th. Detailed analysis of the rule congruent with the
founding principles of the Texas Conservative Coalition Research Institute
and directions for submitting comments can be found at the web sites for Th=
e
Institute for Health Freedom9 and The Association of American Physicians an=
d
Surgeons10.
EXISTING FEDERAL EFFORTS UNDERMINING MEDICAL PRIVACY
Rule Making Authority
HHS has a previous history of encouraging the abuse of the rule process to
circumvent legislative intent by authorizing the release of protected
information on individuals without their consent for inclusion in state and
federal medical databases.
Even though The Privacy Act of 1974, as passed by Congress, protects a
person=92s Social Security number from certain misuse, the Social Security
Administration, under recommendation from HHS, used the rule making process
to change the Privacy Act by posting new uses for Social Security numbers i=
n
the Federal Register. They enacted this rule for the benefit of states to
create immunization tracking system files to be linked in a national
database on all children without parental consent.
The rule states "The proposed routine use would permit SSA to send the SSNs
of newborns, and as a one time disclosure, the SSNs of children born since
December 31, 1990, to the State BVS in which a birth is recorded without
having to secure parental consent=85. Public health program uses of the SSN=
s
would include, but are not limited to, establishing public immunization
registries=85 Using the SSN as the primary identifying record number would
facilitate the process and lower the cost of creating and operating a
national network of coordinated statewide immunization registries."11
The National Immunization Program of HHS's Centers for Disease Control has
publicly declared federal plans for expanding these immunization registries
to include adults and grow into full-scale medical databases for children
centrally operated by the federal government.12
Federal Grant Requirements and Incentives
Another justification by state health agencies used for collecting and
maintaining personally identifiable and sometimes sensitive private health
care information is to satisfy federal grant requirements or to collect
available federal grant incentives.
In late 1996, a survey of all Texas Department of Health (TDH) programs was
conducted to identify health related databases maintained within the agency=
=2E
Information on more than 190 TDH databases was extracted from the survey
results.
Many of these databases list that there are no restrictions for access to
the data. Additionally, while there is no legislative authority cited for
the creation of the vast majority of these databases, a common reason cited
to collect and store medical data is to satisfy federal grant
requirements.13
One of the reasons given by the TDH for ignoring consent provisions in the
state law and mining data for the immunization registry on children cared
for by private providers in Texas14 was "Immunization grant guidelines
require the department to implement an immunization registry as a condition
of receiving federal immunization funds."15
Special interests tried to create a national immunization registry with The
Comprehensive Childhood Immunization Act of 1993, but parents and privacy
groups successfully defeated the registry portion. However, in September an=
d
November of 1993, the Act was quietly amended to create the registry anyway=
,
sidestepping public opposition, by providing the funding to individual
states to create their own nationally connectable tracking systems. $417
million dollars were initially appropriated with additional incentives
called the "Performance Based Grant Program" whereby individual states coul=
d
collect discretionary income awards as high as $100 per two year old child
proven to be fully immunized according to federal immunization standards by
including them in their state immunization registry.16
CONCLUSION
Although cost and "burden" are the most often cited rationalizations by
government health program employees for taking our medical information
without our consent, we all need to seriously examine what the real costs
will be in terms of health care quality and freedom if we continue to allow
this to occur.
Additionally, we would all be wise to heed the warnings of the experts on
the threats to our civil liberties that comprehensive and centralized healt=
h
databases and registries pose. Agneta Breitenstein, director of the Health
Law Institute in Boston, spoke in opposition to registries at the April 6,
1998 CDC Initiative on Immunization Registries meeting in New Orleans. She
said, "There are three things that are always true when registries are
created: "One, there will always be more information collected than is
needed to complete the task; two, it will always be kept longer than we are
told; and, three, it will always be used for purposes other than intended."
SOURCES CITED
1 http://aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/
2 http://aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/pvcsumm.htm
3 http://aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/nprm/pvc19.htm
4 http://aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/nprm/pvc20.htm
5 http://aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/nprm/pvc23.htm
6 http://aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/nprm/pvc27.htm
7 http://aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/nprm/pvc26.htm
8,10 http://www.aapsonline.org./aaps/confiden/hhsp.htm
9 http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publications/Privacy/NeedToKnow.html
11 The Federal Register, March 9, 1995, Volume 60 Number 46, pages
12964-12965
12 Centers for Disease Control's National Immunization Program, National
Immunization Registry Clearinghouse Fact Sheet, March 3, 1998.
13 Bureau of State Health Data and Policy Analysis, The Texas Department of
Health "Inventory of Health Related Data 1997", 1100 W. 49th Street, Austin=
,
TX 78756, July 1998, p. vii.
14 http://www.vaccineinfo.net/txregistry/outline.htm
15 Letter from Health Commissioner Dr. William R. Archer III to Senator
Jerry Patterson dated April 2, 1998.
16 Comprehensive Child Immunization Act of 1993, Sec. 2. Monitoring of
Childhood Immunizations, Section 2157 Performance Based Grant Program, (b)
Payments to States.
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practices that affect the children and adults of Texas. Our mission is to
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From: Paul M Watson
Subject: Video contends Davidians were machine-gunned, crushed by tanks (fwd)
Date: 24 Jan 2000 07:39:59 -0600 (CST)
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FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED JAN. 23, 2000
THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
Video contends Davidians were machine-gunned, crushed by tanks
Is it possible David Koresh didn't lose his confrontation with the
Godless state he and his followers identified as "Babylon," at all?
Throughout their 51-day Texas standoff in the spring of 1993, Koresh and
his followers repeatedly compared their plight to that of God's people
facing the "flaming chariots" of Babylon in the biblical prophesies of
Nahum and Habakkuk. A follower says Koresh believed he would be the one to
"bring down Babylon" by sacrificing himself and his denomination.
Will it turn out that -- like an earlier group of Texas martyrs who died
buying time for Sam Houston at the Alamo -- the Branch Davidians still
retain the power to reach out from the grave and smight their oppressors?
After completing the documentary "Waco: The Rules of Engagement' --
nominated for an Academy Award -- researcher Mike McNulty continued to
delve into the central mystery of Waco: Why would scores of perfectly sane
and decent Christian Americans apparently choose to condemn themselves and
their "unusually bright and well-treated" children (per Texas child
welfare authorities) to death in the flames, rather than coming out and
surrendering to the federal tanks and helicopters that surrounded them?
Mr. McNulty appears to have found some answers -- at least to the extent
anyone still can, given the determined after-the-fact efforts to bleach
and bulldoze the "crime scene." Those answers are offered in the new
video: "Waco: A New Revelation," directed by Jason Van Vleet.
The documentary is not strident. If anything, the new evidence is piled
up in such a measured and matter-of-fact way -- superposed with the
sneering denials of FBI spokesmen and apologists like U.S. Rep. (now Sen.)
Charles Schumer -- that its full impact may not register without a second
viewing.
But at that point, any thoughtful viewer of conscience must wonder how
willfully the Congress and populace of this country must (start
ital)want(end ital) to ignore the truth, to be able to close their eyes to
facts like the following:
On the evening of Feb. 28, three Branch Davidians who had not been
present for the initial BATF raid and shoot-out attempted to get home to
their wives and children in the Mount Carmel church. They were intercepted
and fired upon by 17 agents "dressed as trees." Two were captured, but
Michael Dean Schroeder -- not charged with any crime -- was shot seven
times and killed. As the other two Davidians were led away -- after
Schroeder was down -- they report hearing two final shots behind them, in
quick succession. An autopsy showed Michael Dean Schroeder had two neat
bullet holes immediately behind his right ear. His body was left lying in
the ravine for five days.
Far from inviting an exodus and surrender, tape recordings reveal that
by late March, FBI negotiators told the Davidians: "No one is authorized
to come out of there for any reason. The patience of the bosses is no
longer what it was. If anyone tries to come out, they will be treated in
such a way that they'll be forced to retreat."
Former FBI Director William Sessions wanted to fly to Waco to negotiate
with David Koresh face-to-face, but the Justice Department refused to let
him board his plane. Sessions' wife, Alice Sessions, explains: "The FBI
did not want it negotiated. They wanted to show they could win with
military type tactics; it was a paramilitary organization."
When the final government attack with toxic and disabling CS gas finally
began early on the morning of April 19, the buried school bus was gassed
first, forcing the women and children to retreat to the reinforced
concrete records vault, which the FBI referred to as "the bunker." Gas was
then pumped into the bunker, which had no ventilation, for two hours. Rep.
John Mica, R-Fla., tells Congress: "At the very least that resulted in the
babies and children being tortured for at least three to four hours."
Manning sniper post Sierra 1 in the "undercover house," Lon Horiuchi
(who eight months earlier had shot the unarmed Vicky Weaver as she stood
holding a baby in her kitchen in Ruby Ridge, Idaho), "accompanied by most
of the FBI team from Ruby Ridge," swore he did not fire into the church on
April 19. But other FBI agents swore they heard fire from his position,
and four expended .308 shell casings were later found there.
At 9:02 a.m. On April 19, a Branch Davidian is spotted trying to exit
the building across the roof. "Falcon 2," an FBI helicopter, is seen
approaching in ground-level footage. It hovers, and muzzle flashes can be
seen from its port waist gun. Dr. Edward Allard, formerly of the U.S.
government's Night Vision Directorate, says his analysis shows at least
three, five-shot machine gun bursts. "It's indicative of a machine gun
firing 600 rounds per minute," he says. "It's impossible for these to be
solar flashes."
Other close-range video -- not high-altitude footage -- clearly shows
full-sized machine guns in cradle mounts in the waist doors of the FBI
helicopters, which the government long swore were unarmed.
Branch Davidians Phillip Henry and Jimmy Riddle appear to have been shot
behind the building at this time. Neither had soot in their lungs of
carbon monoxide in their blood -- both died before the fire. An autopsy
showed half of Riddle's body torn away, which the medical examiner said
could have been consistent with "an encounter with a tank tread."
However, when the family re-opened Riddle's casket for a follow-up
examination of his fatal bullet wounds, the evidentiary portion of his
skull was missing. The widow says the local medical examiner was
instructed by Texas authorities and U.S. marshals not to release his
autopsy results to the family.
The film's researcher, Mike McNulty, tells me the most likely scenario
is that Henry and Riddle were shot behind the building by government
agents around 9 a.m. A lull followed, as the FBI pondered what to do.
Them, closer to noontime, their bodies were bulldozed back into the church
dining room by tanks, and the final government assault -- with machine
guns and incendiary grenades -- began in earnest.
Viewing the government's high-altitude infrared footage of the final
battle, Dr. Edward Allard, formerly of the U.S. government's Night Vision
Directorate, explains: "What we have here is a tank-infantry type of
operation. As the tank advances, two men have dropped out of the escape
hatch. They then roll over, and as they roll over they open up with
automatic gunfire. The shots occur at one-thirtieth of a second. There is
absolutely nothing in nature that can cause thermal flashes to occur in a
thirtieth of a second."
Dr. Allard reports he stopped counting the gunshots into the dining room
-- the last available escape route from the building after the fire broke
out -- "after 62 individual shots."
The filmmakers report Maurice Cox, a former analyst with the U.S.
intelligence community, determined that for an aircraft circling at 9,000
feet to pick up rhythmic flashes at a rate of 600 per minute from
"reflected sunlight" as the government claims, the reflective surfaces
would have to be placed in a precise array, and the aircraft would have to
be traveling at the absurd speed of Mach 1.8.
FBI officials have refused to respond to Cox's findings, and have
dragged their feet in the face of demands that they re-create the footage
to see if sunlight reflections can be made to look like the flashes in the
Forward-Looking Infrared (FLIR) footage. Absurdly, the FBI claims cameras
like the one used in 1993 can no longer be obtained.
Meantime, ground level footage -- not distant aerial shots -- clearly
show men in Kevlar army helmets firing projectiles from an M-79 grenade
launcher into the church's storm shelter the morning of the final assault.
Seconds later, white smoke pours from the shelter.
Although the government has consistently denied the Army's Combat
Applications Force -- the "Delta Force" -- was present at Waco, previously
classified Army documents reveal that four Delta Force "observers" were
deployed to Waco on March 21. Gene Cullen, a senior case officer with the
CIA's Special Forces Group, reports on camera he was "initially told they
would just be observers. But at (an April 14) CIA briefing, we were told
there were more than 10, and that they would be actively participating"
in the April 19 attack.
March Bell, who headed the staff of the last congressional investigation
into Waco, tells the filmmakers: "They were in the tanks and the sniper
posts. They were not giving advice back in some conference room -- they
were working shoulder to shoulder with the (FBI's) Hostage Rescue Team."
Rep. Stephen Buyer, R-Ind., explains that it is a federal crime -- a
violation of the Posse Comitatus Act -- to use any part of the Army or Air
Force "to enforce the law in this country."
But CIA agent Cullen says he met Delta Force operators in Europe who
"told me not only were they forward deployed at Waco, Texas, but they were
actually involved in a gunfight with the Branch Davidians."
Steven Barry, a retired Special Forces sergeant, concurs: "I did talk to
some Combat Applications Group guys, and they did confirm that, yes,
portions of B Squadron were there pulling triggers."
Most chilling of all, Sgt. Barry reports: "Their operators had
penetrated the building on several occasions, and on one occasion, late
April 17 or early on the 18th, they saw Koresh within six feet of them.
They radioed back to the Tactical Operations Center for permission to grab
him, and within minutes the word came back from the Justice Department,
'No, we already have a plan in place,' that being what happened on April
19."
"People ask why we didn't let the children out," sobs Davidian survivor
Clive Doyle. "If they saw all that was happening, and they were there with
their children, would they have sent them out to the animals outside that
were shooting at them and doing all those terrible things? No. ... When
there was shooting going on it's kind of tongue in cheek to then turn and
say, 'Well, why didn't you come out?' "
Although the government long denied its agents fired any incendiary
projectiles into the church -- which was lined with hay bales against
government gunfire, heated with kerosene heaters after the government shut
off the electricity, and then flooded with combustible propellant for the
CS gas -- photographs taken after the fire clearly show a U.S. military
Mark 651 pyrotechnic CS gas projectile lying in the ashes.
When researcher McNulty finally broached the evidence room with the aid
of the Freedom of Information Act in 1998, the pyrotechnic devices visible
in those photographs were missing from the evidence boxes. But two
additional pyrotechnic 40mm devices were found. The film's investigators
also found -- mislabeled as gun parts or silencers -- six spent government
flash-bang grenades, which were recovered from the dining room, the
chapel, and the southwest corner of the building -- "all three points of
origin of the fire."
Asked at a press conference whether she is embarrassed that independent
filmmakers could find this evidence, when the FBI had been unable to turn
it up in six years, Attorney General Janet Reno responds: "I'm not
embarrassed. I'm very, very upset."
At 12:10 p.m. on April 19 the overhead FLIR footage shows at least two
automatic weapons being fired into the rear of the dining room, the only
remaining undamaged exit from the now-burning building. According to a
Justice Department report, at least 15 people were found shot to death at
this location. The FBI conducted ballistic tests which the DOJ later
termed "inconclusive and rudimentary at best."
"I cannot remember anything more sickening" than watching that gunfire
into the building's last exit, comments Dr. Allard.
Asked whether the Davidian gunshot victims appeared to have committed
suicide, a former FBI forensic crime scene analyst who preferred to be
filmed only in silhouette responds: "The majority of people, the bodies
that I saw, were clear-cut homicide victims. ...I don't know who fired the
bullets into their bodies. So in fact what we have here is an open
homicide."
Congressional investigator March Bell says the treatment of those bodies
was "very troubling. The bodies were preserved in a semi-frozen state in
two trailers for the purposes of investigation. For some reason those
trailers under the control of the FBI were allowed to not have any
electricity running to them and the bodies deteriorated beyond the point
where any sort of forensic evidence could be gathered. We were very
disturbed by that."
Indeed, the scene of the massacre was declared a "bio-hazard," and since
the FBI had predetermined this was a mass suicide, "The FBI investigators
were instructed to sift, wash, and bleach the evidence associated with the
bodies, destroying much of its evidentiary value."
The large hole in the roof of the concrete records vault where the women
and children were sheltering -- the rebar bent downwards as though from an
external blast -- has never been explained. Military explosives expert
Brig. Gen. Benton Partin, USAF retired, says "What it tells me is that you
had a demolition charge that went off on the roof."
The FBI bulldozed the "bunker" to rubble. Six years later, in 1999, when
Davidian attorneys were granted permission to recover the portion that
might bear traces of the explosive used, that portion of the bunker
ceiling was found to be missing. Gen. Partin concludes the rudimentary
gunpowder possessed by the Branch Davidians would not have been capable of
blowing that hole through six inches of reinforced concrete. Special
Forces Sgt. Steven Barry reports the damage inside the records vault was
"consistent with a shaped charge," as does retired USAF ordnance engineer
Col. Jack Frost.
"In military operations, it's standard procedure to do this," Barry
explains, in order to reduce casualties among the attacking forces.
The FBI's White House contact during the Waco operation was presidential
aide Vince Foster, who committed suicide 90 days later. His widow told the
FBI that the Waco tragedy was "very high on his list of concerns." She
says he told the FBI he "believed everything was his fault," though Foster
also commented: "The FBI lied to me."
After his suicide, the White House kept the Department of Justice and
the Parks Police from reviewing Foster's files. Witnesses saw Maggie
Williams -- Hillary Clinton's chief of staff -- removing Waco files from
Foster's office. The staff was told "The contents of the box needed to be
reviewed by the First Lady."
Sgt. Barry of the Special Forces: "If the Special Combat Applications
Group were on the ground that day actually pulling triggers, the origin of
that operation would have come from the White House. It would have come
from the president. Because the Special Combat Applications Group is, for
all intents and purposes, the president's private army."
So: The ATF, the FBI, and the Army Combat Applications Group (the "Delta
Force" -- which can only have been dispatched to the scene by the special
authorization of William Jefferson Clinton) stand accused of murder at
Waco.
Why are there still no trials?
Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas
Review-Journal.
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Danger, Danger (fwd)
Date: 24 Jan 2000 10:57:37 PST
On Jan 24, Joe Sylvester wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
Congress is back in session tommorrow.
Watch your guns..And your checkbook.
The Second Amendment is the RESET button
of the United States Constitution.
---Doug McKay"
Joe Sylvester
Don't Tread On Me !
[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]
--
RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Dallas News Gun Poll (fwd)
Date: 24 Jan 2000 21:30:27 PST
On Jan 24, CJE wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
In the FWIW dept., this one asks the question "does gun control reduce
crime."
http://dmnweb.dallasnews.com/polls/process2.asp?HdUniqueValue=poll121200018248
As of 2050 hrs. AK, the results are:
Yes 11.0%
No 88.1%
Not Sure 0.9%
Cliff
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--
RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: "George T. Felbeck, Jr."
Subject: Re: Danger, Danger (fwd)
Date: 25 Jan 2000 07:50:47 -0700
-----Original Message-----
>On Jan 24, Joe Sylvester wrote:
>
>[-------------------- text of forwarded message
follows --------------------]
>
>Congress is back in session tommorrow.
>
>Watch your guns..And your checkbook.
>
>
>
> The Second Amendment is the RESET button
> of the United States Constitution.
> ---Doug McKay"
>
>Joe Sylvester
>Don't Tread On Me !
>
>[------------------------- end of forwarded
message ------------------------]
>
>--
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! *****
RKBA!
>----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------
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>An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
>weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
>hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
>on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus
Christ
>----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------
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>
>-Dear Mr. Vance: Our local pastor says there is no such statement in the
Christian Bible such as you have quoted above as being the words of Jesus.
Do you have the biblical chapter and verse where the above is stated? If
so, I would be very appreciative of you sending it on to me. Many thanks
for your consideration.
Sincerely,
George T. Felbeck, Jr. gfelbeck@wyoming.com
>
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From:
Subject: Re: Danger, Danger (fwd)
Date: 25 Jan 2000 12:22:26 -0500
--On Tuesday, January 25, 2000 7:50 AM -0700 "George T. Felbeck, Jr."
wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Vance
> To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com
>
> Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 12:01 PM
> Subject: Danger, Danger (fwd)
>
>> An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath
>> no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell
>> his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and
>> buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible |
>> sword.--Jesus
> Christ
>> ----------------+----------+--------------------------+-----------------
>> ---
> -
>>
>>-Dear Mr. Vance: Our local pastor says there is no such statement in the
> Christian Bible such as you have quoted above as being the words of Jesus.
> Do you have the biblical chapter and verse where the above is stated? If
> so, I would be very appreciative of you sending it on to me. Many thanks
> for your consideration.
>
> Sincerely,
> George T. Felbeck, Jr. gfelbeck@wyoming.com
>>
>
Well, a quick look at some online search tools found Luke 22:36
Chad
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From: boyd@seanet.com
Subject: Re: Danger, Danger (fwd)
Date: 25 Jan 2000 10:08:03 -0800
"Chad Leigh, Shire.Net LLC and Pengar Enterprises, Inc." wrote:
>
> --On Tuesday, January 25, 2000 7:50 AM -0700 "George T. Felbeck, Jr."
> wrote:
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Vance
> > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com
> >
> > Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 12:01 PM
> > Subject: Danger, Danger (fwd)
> >
> >> An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath
> >> no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell
> >> his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and
> >> buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible |
> >> sword.--Jesus
> > Christ
> >> ----------------+----------+--------------------------+-----------------
> >> ---
> > -
> >>
> >>-Dear Mr. Vance: Our local pastor says there is no such statement in the
> > Christian Bible such as you have quoted above as being the words of Jesus.
> > Do you have the biblical chapter and verse where the above is stated? If
> > so, I would be very appreciative of you sending it on to me. Many thanks
> > for your consideration.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > George T. Felbeck, Jr. gfelbeck@wyoming.com
> >>
> >
>
> Well, a quick look at some online search tools found Luke 22:36
>
> Chad
I hope everyone here will do this. If you give money to a modern
christian church the likelihood that you are working against your own
ethical right to self preservation is -very- -high-. Did God give you
-life-, so that you could "turn the other cheek" and be murdered by some
criminal who is unhappy that you were only carrying fifty bucks? Should
you -gamble- your most precious gift on the mercy of a violent (ie
threatening) deviant (ie criminal)? Toss life to the wind and see if
it's taken be mere whimsy of some criminals knife? Most church
hierarchies believe the answer to that is yes.
If you are a christian you owe it to your self, to your ethical sense,
and to your church to -research- the bible. Look stuff like this up (it
is -easy-, there are numerous online and CD resources available) and
bear in mind most other people doing this have already adopted the
fundamentally unethical mindset that you -owe- a criminal your
cooperation. Read critically. Then talk to your pastor and determine
wether the money that you give the church (the money that represents
part of the finite time you are given, and therefore responsible for,
here on earth) is being used in a manner that you believe is basically
ethical. If they're part of the Greater Seattle Council of Churches then
-your- church financially supports victim disarmament. Go and -talk- to
them about Luke 22:36, -ask- them if they understand that the
Commandments talk about murder and not "killing", and be ready for the
surprise of your life. I certainly wish I had been. Boyd Kneeland,
former member Newport United Presbyterian.
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From: "Harry Barnett"
Subject: Re: Danger, Danger
Date: 25 Jan 2000 10:16:34 -0800
Luke 22:34-37
22:34 And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day,
before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.
22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and
shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take
it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his
garment, and buy one.
22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished
in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things
concerning me have an end.
This is from the KJV. What the politically correct "New", "Revised"
versions say, I don't know.
Your local pastor might like to take heed of my .sig, too.
Harry E. Barnett
harryb@hbbse.com http://www.hbbse.com
--
It isn't what we don't know that hurts us. It's what we know that isn't
o. --Will Rogers
----- Original Message -----
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:22 AM
>
>
> --On Tuesday, January 25, 2000 7:50 AM -0700 "George T. Felbeck, Jr."
> wrote:
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Vance
> > To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com
> >
> > Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 12:01 PM
> > Subject: Danger, Danger (fwd)
> >
> >> An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath
> >> no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell
> >> his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and
> >> buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible |
> >> sword.--Jesus
> > Christ
>
>> ----------------+----------+--------------------------+-----------------
> >> ---
> > -
> >>
> >>-Dear Mr. Vance: Our local pastor says there is no such statement in
the
> > Christian Bible such as you have quoted above as being the words of
Jesus.
> > Do you have the biblical chapter and verse where the above is stated?
If
> > so, I would be very appreciative of you sending it on to me. Many
thanks
> > for your consideration.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > George T. Felbeck, Jr. gfelbeck@wyoming.com
> >>
> >
>
>
> Well, a quick look at some online search tools found Luke 22:36
>
> Chad
>
> -
>
>
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Re: Danger, Danger (fwd)
Date: 25 Jan 2000 11:16:13 PST
On Jan 25, George T. Felbeck, Jr. wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Vance
>To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com
>
>Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 12:01 PM
>Subject: Danger, Danger (fwd)
>
>
>>On Jan 24, Joe Sylvester wrote:
>>
>>[-------------------- text of forwarded message
>follows --------------------]
>>
>>Congress is back in session tommorrow.
>>
>>Watch your guns..And your checkbook.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Second Amendment is the RESET button
>> of the United States Constitution.
>> ---Doug McKay"
>>
>>Joe Sylvester
>>Don't Tread On Me !
>>
>>[------------------------- end of forwarded
>message ------------------------]
>>-Dear Mr. Vance: Our local pastor says there is no such statement in the
>Christian Bible such as you have quoted above as being the words of Jesus.
>Do you have the biblical chapter and verse where the above is stated? If
>so, I would be very appreciative of you sending it on to me. Many thanks
>for your consideration.
>
>Sincerely,
>George T. Felbeck, Jr. gfelbeck@wyoming.com
Your local pastor should spend more time reading the Bible. The passage
varies slightly with the particular version, (translation), of the Bible you
might be reading, but it should read something like this:
"Take your purse, and likewise your scrip, and let he who hath no weapon
sell his garment and buy a sword." Luke 22:36
I'm told that the specific garment refered to, was the very expensive and
finely made one that indicated which of the tribes of Israel a person
belonged to. While Jesus was very much against the _mis-use_ of wwapons, he
himself was no stranger to the use of arms. Whips, scourges, and cat o' 9
tails etc., are categorized as weapons, and as you may recall, he did whip
the money lenders from the temple. Further, he comes not to bring peace,
but a sword. I hope that's of help.
--
RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: State Governor List (fwd)
Date: 25 Jan 2000 12:21:56 PST
On Jan 25, Don Cline wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
For those who would like to send messages to State Governors exhorting =
them to not sign onerous and unconstitutional legislation into (color =
of) law, here is a list of the fifty state governors with e-mail, =
website, or snail mail addresses as appropriate:
Governors' E-mail and Webpage contact addresses:
Alabama - Don Siegelman:
http://www.governor.state.al.us/office/email/email.html
Alaska - Tony Knowles
http://www.gov.state.ak.us/emailform.html
Arizona - Jane Dee Hull:
azgov@azgov.state.az.us
Arkansas - Mike Huckabee:
http://www.state.ar.us/governor/gems/eletter/commentform.html
California - Gray Davis:
graydavis@governor.ca.gov
Colorado - Bill Owens:
comments@state.co.us (Attn - Governor Bill Owens)
Connecticut - John G. Rowland:
Governor.Rowland@po.state.ct.us
Delaware - Tom Carper:
ssnyder@state.de.us
Florida - Jeb Bush:
fl_governor@eog.state.fl.us
Georgia - Roy E. Barnes:
http://www.gagovernor.org/governor/contact.html
Hawaii - Ben Cayetano:
gov@gov.state.hi.us
Idaho - Dirk Kempthorne:
http://www2.state.id.us/gov/correspondence.htm
Illinois - George H. Ryan:
governor@state.il.us
Indiana - Frank O'Bannon:
http://www.ai.org/gov/gov_mail.html
Iowa - Thomas Vilsack:
http://www.state.ia.us/governor/comments/capitol_correspond/index.html
Kansas - Bill Graves:
http://www.ink.org/public/governor/comment.html
Kentucky - Paul E. Patton:
governor@mail.state.ky.us
Louisiana - M. J. "Mike" Foster:
http://www.gov.state.la.us/governor/contact2.htm
Maine - Angus S. King, Jr.:
governor@state.me.us
Maryland - Parris N. Glendening:
governor@gov.state.md.us
Massachusetts - Paul Cellucci:
GOffice@state.ma.us
Michigan - John Engler:
http://www.migov.state.mi.us/MichiganGovernor.htm
Minnesota - Jesse Ventura:
http://www.mainserver.state.mn.us/governor/email_form.html
Missouri - Governor Carnahan:
No E-mail, but four different snail mail addresses/phone numbers
including the Mansion, for Pete's sake:
http://www.gov.state.mo.us/contact.htm
Mississippi - David Ronald Musgrove:
TBA - See http://www.governor.state.ms.us/ for latest info.
Montana - Mark Racicot:
Governor's Office
P.O. Box 200801
Helena MT 59620.=20
FAX: 406-444-5529
Voice: 406-444-3111
Nebraska - Mike Johanns:
mjohanns@notes.state.ne.us
Nevada - Kenny Guinn:
http://www.state.nv.us/gov/mailgov.htm
New Hampshire - Jeanne Shaheen:
State of New Hampshire=20
Office of the Governor=20
State House, Room 208-214=20
Concord, NH 03301-4990=20
(603) 271-2121
New Jersey - Christine Todd Whitman:
http://www.state.nj.us/governor/contact.htm
New Mexico - Gary E. Johnson:
gjohnson@gov.state.nm.us
New York - George E. Pataki:
gov.pataki@chamber.state.ny.us
North Carolina:
Governor James B. Hunt Jr.=20
Office of the Governor
20301 Mail Service Center=20
Raleigh, NC 27699-0301
Fax - (919)715-3175
or (919)733-2120
North Dakota - Edward T. Shafer:
governor@state.nd.us
Ohio - Bob Taft
webmaster@das.state.oh.us
Oklahoma - Frank Keating:
governor@gov.state.ok.us
Oregon - John A. Kitzhaber, M.D.:
http://www.governor.state.or.us/governor/mail/mailform.html
Pennsylvania - Tom Ridge:
http://www.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Governor/govmail.html
Rhode Island - Lincoln C. Almond:
rigov@gov.state.ri.us
South Carolina: Jim Hodges:
governor@govoepp.state.sc.us
South Dakota - William J. Janklow:
sdgov@state.sd.us
Tennesee - Don Sundquist:
dsundquist@mail.state.tn.us
Texas - George W. Bush:
http://www.governor.state.tx.us/e-mail.html
Utah - Mike Leavitt:
governor@state.ut.us
Vermont - Howard Dean, M.D. (No e-mail)
Lt. Gov. Douglas A. Racine: ltgov@leg.state.vt.us
Virginia - Jim Gilmore:
http://www.state.va.us/governor/govmail.htm
Washington - Gary Locke:
http://www.governor.wa.gov/contact/govemail.htm
West Virginia - Cecil H. Underwood:
governor@governor.state.wv.us
Wisconsin - Tommy G. Thompson
wisgov@gov.state.wi.us
Wyoming - Jim Geringer:
governor@missc.state.wy.us
--
Don Cline
frdmftr@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~frdmftr
To all Socialist, Communist, and Marxist Anti-Gunners:
I'll be your huckleberry.
The Right to Keep and Bear Arms brought about
* The Parliamentary Revolution
* The Magna Carta
* The American Revolution
* The world's first and only nation of liberty.
Without it you are nothing but a feudal serf.
EXERCISE your Right to Keep and Bear Arms or
KNEEL BEFORE YOUR MASTER.
[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]
--
RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: "Ken Mitchell"
Subject: RE: Danger, Danger (fwd)
Date: 25 Jan 2000 17:44:42 -0800
>
> I hope everyone here will do this. If you give money to a modern
> christian church the likelihood that you are working against your own
> ethical right to self preservation is -very- -high-. Did God give you
> -life-, so that you could "turn the other cheek" and be murdered by some
> criminal who is unhappy that you were only carrying fifty bucks? Should
> you -gamble- your most precious gift on the mercy of a violent (ie
> threatening) deviant (ie criminal)? Toss life to the wind and see if
> it's taken be mere whimsy of some criminals knife? Most church
> hierarchies believe the answer to that is yes.
>If they're part of the Greater Seattle Council of Churches then
> -your- church financially supports victim disarmament. Go and -talk- to
> them about Luke 22:36, -ask- them if they understand that the
> Commandments talk about murder and not "killing", and be ready for the
> surprise of your life. I certainly wish I had been. Boyd Kneeland,
> former member Newport United Presbyterian.
This doesn't apply only to Christians, but also to Jews. The Torah teaches
us that we may use lethal force against a thief who comes into our homes in
the night, and the Talmud tells us that we may kill an aggressor to save a
life, to prevent a rape, or to defend ourselves. (Exact citations from the
Torah and Talmud are available at the JPFO web site, I believe.) Alas, most
"mainstream" rabbis believe, as do most "mainstream" Christian ministers,
that lethal force is ALWAYS wrong. But tell that to the martyrs in the
Warsaw Ghetto.
Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net
916-955-9152 (voicemail) http://www.gvn.net/~creative/
"We are ready to accept almost any explanation of the present crisis of our
civilization except one: that the present state of the world may be the
result of genuine error on our own part and that the pursuit of some of our
most cherished ideals has apparently produced results utterly different from
those which we expected". Friedrich Hayek, "The Road to Serfdom"
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From: boyd@seanet.com
Subject: Re: Danger, Danger (fwd)
Date: 25 Jan 2000 18:10:55 -0800
> Ken Mitchell wrote:
>
> >
> > I hope everyone here will do this. If you give money to a modern
snip
> > surprise of your life. I certainly wish I had been. Boyd Kneeland,
> > former member Newport United Presbyterian.
>
> This doesn't apply only to Christians, but also to Jews. The Torah teaches
> us that we may use lethal force against a thief who comes into our homes in
> the night, and the Talmud tells us that we may kill an aggressor to save a
> life, to prevent a rape, or to defend ourselves. (Exact citations from the
> Torah and Talmud are available at the JPFO web site, I believe.) Alas, most
> "mainstream" rabbis believe, as do most "mainstream" Christian ministers,
> that lethal force is ALWAYS wrong. But tell that to the martyrs in the
> Warsaw Ghetto.
Absolutely. Just last night I got halfway through Begnini's "Life is
beautiful" before the nazi thing got to emotional for me to enjoy it
(you know, the scene where Mom is told the kids stay off work during the
day so that can be carted off and -gassed-). I just, well, frankly it
brings home the erosion of our rights like a hammerblow, for me
personally. So rather then cram guns and ammo into the tape slot I hit
rewind and went and spent money on the JPFO site, wich -always- makes me
feel better : )
I'm sure every religion on the planet has faced abuse by "leaders" who
would bend basic principles to the current fashion. I didn't mean to
overlook or belittle any other beliefs (Islam is another where abuse is
obvious IMO), I just typed out of personal experience. Thanks for your
followup. I hope others are reading and doing here too. B
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net
> 916-955-9152 (voicemail) http://www.gvn.net/~creative/
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "We are ready to accept almost any explanation of the present crisis of our
> civilization except one: that the present state of the world may be the
> result of genuine error on our own part and that the pursuit of some of our
> most cherished ideals has apparently produced results utterly different from
> those which we expected". Friedrich Hayek, "The Road to Serfdom"
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Joe Sylvester
Subject: Constitutional Crisis/Opportunity for CA, NZ, and AU ?
Date: 25 Jan 2000 23:03:26 -0600
R
Might be a good time for these folks to get REAL Consitutions, ones which
protect fundamental rights from government intrusions, regardless of whether
50% + 1 of elected reps vote for them or not. Including of course the RKBA.
http://www.investigatemagazine.com/news.htm
The Second Amendment is the RESET button
of the United States Constitution.
---Doug McKay"
Joe Sylvester
Don't Tread On Me !
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From: "George T. Felbeck, Jr."
Subject: Thanks for all the great responses
Date: 26 Jan 2000 08:08:58 -0700
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Re: Thanks for all the great responses
Date: 26 Jan 2000 08:26:03 PST
Just as a pointer, it would be best if you turn off your, "send html/MIME",
option(s), as well as attachments on whatever email/news software you're
using. Some e-lists allow it, but on many you'll catch flack for it.
Basically, it adds all sorts of garbage to the post in lots of e-mail/news
reading software, and jumps the file size up to 3-10 or more times the size
needed to get your message across, wasting storage space, and transmission
time/bandwidth in the process. So-called, "Rich Text", does this, too.
Also, attachments are a common way to spread viruses, so most people have
quite using them. The extra cop(y/ies) of the message embedded in the
garbage doesn't help any of the above, either. The garbage is there,
whether you see it or not, so it's a case of whether your e-mail/news
software uses it or not. Check your post below, and you'll see what I mean.
This one isn't too awfully bad as such things go, but I've seen posts a
quarter the size of this one that generated garbage the size of the Queen
Mary.
On Jan 26, George T. Felbeck, Jr. wrote:
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [slickmisc] ACFC: Child Support Destroying the American Family (fwd)
Date: 27 Jan 2000 07:43:28 PST
On Jan 27, RichSlick@aol.com wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
From the Home of Rich & Peggy Martin
Grand Prairie, TX 75050 RichSlick@aol.com
It's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice.
_______________________________________________
INTRODUCTORY COMMENTARY
Talk about someone with a right to be p*ssed off because they aren't
being treated fairly in this Land of Liberty, try a divorced father not
allowed to to see his kids, and spending nights in jail because he
can't afford his bills. How fundamental do you have to be? 200 years
ago we thought we did away with debtors' prison, but 21st century
politicians/judges are still harvesting votes by incarcerating debtors.
But that's not the worst of it. It's getting demonstrably worse. Even
worse than the horror stories than acfc tells. As bad as it is, it's getting
worse. You hear me? Worser. Badder. Meaner. Stupider.
Young males are now learning that fatherhood is a temporary condition.
When it comes to family matters they have no recognized equity.
Their kids, no, their wife's/girl friends' kids belong to the mother
and/or state. Realistically, they know, they are little more than an
outside observer to the new family unit. They have learned to invest
less emotion and love than their fathers dared. It's destroying our
society and there are more people applauding than aware.
Rich Martin
Editor of Slick
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Subj: Fwd: ACFC: Child Support Destroying the American Family
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Forwarded Message:
Thanks to Stephen Baskerville for sending us the following.
ACFC
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Q: Is court-ordered child support doing more harm than good?
Yes: This engine of the divorce industry is destroying families and the
Constitution.
By Stephen Baskerville
. . . . Geoff came home one day to find a note on
the kitchen table saying his wife had taken their two children to live
with their grandparents. He quit his job as head of his department in a
university and followed. He was summoned to court on eight-hours' notice
and, without a lawyer and without being permitted to speak, was stripped
of custody rights and ordered to stay away from his wife and children most
of the time. Because he had no job, no car and no place to live, his
mother cancelled a pending sale of her house, and he moved in with her.
Geoff and his mother now pay about $1,200 a month to his wife and her
wealthy parents, and he is left to live and care for his two children on
about $700 a month. A judge also threatened him with jail if he did not
pay a lawyer he had not hired. When his temporary job ends, the payments
must continue, and he is not permitted to care for the children while
unemployed. He also expects to be coerced into paying more legal fees. He
has never been charged with any wrongdoing, either criminal or civil.
. . . . Geoff's experience increasingly is common. In
fact, it is epidemic. Massive numbers of fathers who are accused of no
wrongdoing now are separated from their children, plundered for everything
they have, publicly vilified and incarcerated without trial.
. . . . About 24 million American children live in homes where
the father is not present, with devastating consequences for both the
children and society. Crime, drug and alcohol abuse, truancy, teenage
pregnancy, suicide and psychological disorders are a few of the tragic
consequences. Conventional wisdom assumes that the fathers of these
children have abandoned them. In this case the conventional wisdom is
dangerously wrong. It is far more likely that an "absent" father is forced
away rather than leaving voluntarily.
. . . . In his new study, Divorced Dads: Shattering the Myths, Sanford
Braver of Arizona State University has shown conclusively that the
so-called "deadbeat dad," one who deserts his children and evades child
support, "does not exist in significant numbers." Braver confirms that,
contrary to popular belief, at least two-thirds of divorces are filed by
mothers, who have virtual certainty of getting the children and a huge
portion of the fathers' income, regardless of any fault on their part. The
title of Ashton Applewhite's 1997 book says it succinctly: Cutting Loose:
Why Women Who End Their Marriages Do So Well.
. . . . Other studies have found even higher percentages of divorces
filed by mothers, and lawyers report that, when children are involved,
divorce is the initiative of the mother in virtually all instances.
Moreover, few of these divorces involve grounds such as desertion,
adultery or violence. The most frequent reasons given are "growing apart"
or "not feeling loved or appreciated." (Surveys consistently show that
fathers are much more likely than mothers to believe parents should remain
married.) Yet, as Braver reports, despite this involuntary loss of their
children, 90 percent of these deserted fathers regularly pay court-ordered
child support (unemployment being the main reason for nonpayment), often at
exorbitant levels and many without any rights to see their children. Most
make heroic efforts to stay in contact with the children from whom they
are forcibly separated.
. . . . The plight of unmarried inner-city fathers is harder to quantify,
but there is no reason to assume they love their children any less. A
recent study conducted in Washington with low-income fathers ages 16 to 25
found that 63 percent had only one child; 82 percent had children by only
one mother; 50 percent had been in a serious relationship with the mother
at the time of pregnancy; only 3 percent knew the mother of their child
only a little; 75 percent visited their child in the hospital; 70 percent
saw their children at least once a week; 50 percent took their child to
the doctor; large percentages reported bathing, feeding, dressing and
playing with their children; and 85 percent provided informal child
support in the form of cash or purchased goods such as diapers, clothing
and toys. University of Texas anthropologist Laura Lein and Rutgers
University professor Kathryn Edin recently found that low-income fathers
often are far worse off than their government-assisted families, "but
economically and emotionally marginal as many of these fathers are, they
still represent a large proportion of low-income fathers who continue to
make contributions to their children's households and to maintain at least
some level of relationship with those children."
.
. . . Yet the voices of these fathers rarely are heard in the public
arena. Instead we hear the imprecations of a government conducting what
may be the most massive witch-hunt in this country's history. Never before
have we seen the spectacle of the highest officials in the land --
including the president, the attorney general and other Cabinet
secretaries, and leading members of Congress from both parties -- using
their offices as platforms from which publicly to vilify private citizens
who have been convicted of nothing and who have no opportunity to reply.
. . . . Under the guise of pursuing deadbeat dads,
we now are seeing mass incarcerations without trial, without charge and
without counsel, while the media and civil libertarians look the other
way. We also have government officials freely entering the homes and
raiding the bank accounts of citizens who are accused of nothing and
simply helping themselves to whatever they want -- including their
children, their life savings and their private papers and effects, all
with hardly a word of protest noted.
. . . . And these are fathers who are accused of nothing. Those who face
trumped-up accusations of child abuse also must prove their innocence
before they can hope to see their children. Yet now it is well established
that most child abuse takes place in the homes of single mothers. A recent
study from the Department of Health and Human Services, or HHS, found that
"almost two-thirds [of child abusers] were females." Given that male
perpetrators are not necessarily fathers but much more likely to be
boyfriends and stepfathers, fathers emerge as the least likely child
abusers. A British study by Robert Whelan in 1993 titled Broken Homes and
Battered Children concluded that a child living with a single mother is up
to 33 times more likely to be abused than a child living in an intact
family. The argument of many men legally separated from their families is
that the real abusers have thrown the father out of the family so they can
abuse his children with impunity.
. . . . In Virginia alone the state Division of Child Support Enforcement
now is "pursuing" 428,000 parents for up to $1.6 billion, according to its
director, Nick Young. In a state of fewer than 7 million people, the
parents of 552,000 children are being "pursued." That is the parents of
roughly half the state's minor dependent children. HHS claims that almost
20 million fathers in the nation are being pursued for something close to
$50 billion. We are being asked to believe that half the fathers in
America have abandoned their children willfully.
.
. . . These figures essentially are meaningless. If they indicate anything
it is the scale on which families are being taken over by a destructive
and dangerous machine consisting of judges, lawyers, psychotherapists,
social workers, bureaucrats and women's groups -- all of whom have a
direct financial interest in separating as many children from their
fathers as possible, vilifying and plundering the fathers and turning them
into criminals. The machine is so riddled with conflicts of interest that
it is little less than a system of organized crime. Here is how it works:
Judges are appointed and promoted by the lawyers and "custody evaluators,"
into whose pockets they funnel fees; the judges also are influenced with
payments of federal funds from child-support enforcement bureaucracies
that depend on a constant supply of ejected fathers; child-support
guidelines are written by the bureaucracies that enforce them and by
private collection companies that have a financial stake in creating as
many arrearages and "deadbeat dads" as possible. These guidelines are then
enacted by legislators, some of whom divert the enforcement contracts to
their own firms, sometimes even taking personal kickbacks (as charged in a
recent federal indictment in Arkansas). Legislators who control judicial
appointments also get contracts (and kickbacks, again the case in
Arkansas) for providing legal services at government expense in the courts
of their appointees. And, of course, custody decisions and child-support
awards must be generous enough to entice more mothers to take the children
and run, thus bringing a fresh supply of fathers into the system. In
short, child support is the financial fuel of the divorce industry. It has
very little to do with the needs of children and everything to do with the
power and profit of large numbers of adults.
. . . . For their part, politicians can register their concern for
fatherless children relatively cheaply by endlessly (and futilely)
stepping up "child-support" collection while creating programs ostensibly
designed to "reunite" fathers with their children. Even some fatherhood
advocates jump on the bandwagon, attacking "absent" fathers while holding
their tongues about the judicial kidnapping of their children. Though
almost everyone now acknowledges the importance of fathers, for too many
there are more political and financial rewards in targeting them as
scapegoats than in the more costly task of upholding the constitutional
rights of fathers and their children not to be ripped apart.
. . . . There is no evidence that endless "crackdowns" on
evicted fathers serve any purpose other than enriching those in the
cracking-down business. With child- support enforcement now a $3 billion
national industry, the pursuit of the elusive deadbeat yields substantial
profits, mostly at public expense. "In Florida last year," writes Kathleen
Parker in the Orlando Sentinel, "taxpayers paid $4.5 million for the state
to collect $162,000 from fathers"; and the story is the same elsewhere.
. . . . Instead of the easy fiction that massive numbers of fathers are
suddenly and inexplicably abandoning their children, perhaps what we
should believe instead is that a lucrative racket now is cynically using
our children as weapons and tools to enrich lawyers and provide employment
for judges and bureaucrats. Rather than pursuing ever greater numbers of
fathers with ever more Draconian punishments, the Justice Department
should be investigating the kind of crimes it was created to pursue --
such as kidnapping, extortion and racketeering -- in the nation's family
courts.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Children Need BOTH Parents!
The American Coalition for Fathers and Children
For Membership information call 1-800-978-DADS
or see ACFC's homepages at: http://www.acfc.org
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Fw: The Dark Side of the Tax State (2/2) (fwd)
Date: 27 Jan 2000 15:47:18 PST
On Jan 27, The McGehee Zone wrote:
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Thus the question is, how much of your money is owned by the tax man? To
what extent are you a tax slave by the numbers? Tax slavery has been growing
in each decade throughout this century, meaning tax freedom day has been
slipping away:
Tax Freedom Day:
In 1902 was January 31
In 1922 was February 17
In 1948 was March 28
In 1958 was April 10
In 1968 was April 24
In 1978 was April 30
In 1988 was May 2
In 1998 was May 10
All indication are, over the long term, that tax freedom day will
continually be delayed until we become half-slave and half-free tax wise. In
1858, Abraham Lincoln, referring to chattel slavery said, "I believe this
government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free." As the new
millennium begins, we should ask ourselves the same question with regards to
tax slavery, by the numbers.
In the ancient world, chattel slavery was tolerated with little complaint.
It wasn't too bad, so it seemed if we look at the philosophers and leaders
of that time. That seems to be our current attitude with regard to our tax
slavery. It is not too bad, and as much as we hate to admit it, our Founders
were a bunch of rabble-rousers when it came to taxation. We tolerate what
they would have given their lives to prevent. They read Montesquieu and
believe him more than any other writer, and in his great work, The Spirit of
Laws, he wrote about tax slavery, and they wanted none of it and British
taxes qualified, as a "badge of slavery." In protest against British stamp
taxes, they formed an underground organization called "The Sons of Liberty,"
to resist British taxes. They paraded through the streets of New York,
Boston, and Philadelphia, singing an anti-tax ballad, with the following
chorus:
Parliament's voice has condemned us by law to be slaves, Brave Boys!
Has condemned us by law to be SLAVES.
The historical records of these ballads have the world "SLAVES" capitalized.
The British repealed the stamp tax act and the Bostonians erected a monument
to commemorate the repeal. Patrick Henry recorded the monument in his
writings, on which there was the Goddess of Liberty, with the wings of an
angel. On the monument were the words -- it was better to die than be a
SLAVE.
Nine years later Patrick Henry picked up the same theme in his famous speech
in the Virginia convention in 1775, a speech every school child knows the
words, "Give me liberty or give me death!" Our schoolchildren should also
learn the rest of the speech:
There is no retreat, but in submission and slavery. Our chains are forged.
Their clanking may be heard on the Plains of Boston! The war is
inevitable -- and let it come!! I repeat sir, let it come!...Is life so dear
or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?
The imagery is powerful. Slaves were manacled with chains forged by
blacksmiths; as the slave moved about, the "clanking" of the chains could be
heard. Tax slavery could not have been depicted by the Founders in more
powerful words.
Fear of tax slavery did not die with the Revolution, but lived on among our
progenitors for well over a century, until the 20th century. Within 20 years
after the Revolution, there were three significant tax revolts even with
representation, in which a lot of people died fighting domestic taxes they
didn't like. The Jeffersonian revolution in 1800 was against Federalist
taxes, which were repealed and did not return until the Civil War era.
Southerners raised the tax slave issue in their acts of secession in 1861.
After the Civil War fear of tax slavery emerged again when there was a
movement to introduce an income tax in peacetime. An income tax was a war
measure, so it was believed, and had no place in a free society during
peacetime.
The Atlantic magazine also attacked tax slavery, and with this and other
major periodicals attacking income taxation as a slave tax, it is no wonder
the movement died. And when the income tax finally was enacted in a Populist
era (1894), it was thrown out by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional.
Our Tax "No Free Zone"
When the 20th century began, fear of tax slavery all but disappeared, and we
haven't heard hardly a word on the subject. Big government and big wars
demand big taxes. Big taxes will inevitably lead to tax slavery as we buck
an iron law of history that when taxes are excessive people will rebel in
one form or another, a theme emphasized by Montesquieu and so vividly
demonstrated by our Founders. Often, throughout history when governments
crack-down on angry taxpayers it has been more like putting gasoline on a
smoldering fire, and has often burned down the very free society it was
supposed to protect.
Diocletian saved the Roman Empire by tax enslavement, and isn't our Congress
in the same pickle? In both societies there developed a strong inclination
to evade and avoid taxation, and tax slavery apparently was the only option
for the government, a kind of tax martial law against an unruly society.
Our supposedly freedom loving leaders don't think of freedom the way our
Founders did. Freedom today has nothing to do with taxes -- that's a "no
free zone," like the "no fly zone" over Iraq. If taxpayers won't comply then
their freedoms will have to go. Thus there is no remorse by Congress in
transforming our tax system from an honor system to a tax spy system and
slave system, Diocletian style.
Going back to the pre-1970 days, what would happen if your bank account
wasn't photographed? If income from banks, stocks, and bonds was not
reported? If part-time income wasn't reported? If real estate wasn't
reported? If cash wasn't reported? If Americans living overseas weren't
hounded by the IRS? If babysitter income wasn't reported? Housekeepers?
Gambling? If fines were used instead of psychopathic punishments? Would the
system work as it did for the first 50 years? Apparently not, so our
Congress and Treasury seem to think. Thus we have two options: First,
maintain the income tax slave system, adding additional muscle from time to
time as needed; or, tear down the income tax system and start over with a
tax system the people will respect. For the present, we pass on to our
children in the 21st century the first option.
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Charles Adams is the author of For Good and Evil: The Impact of Taxes on the
Course of Civilization, Second Edition (1999), from which this essay was
adapted.
From the Ludwig von Mises Institute
www.mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=372&FS=The+Dark+Side+of+the+Tax+State
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Fw: The Dark Side of the Tax State (1/2) (fwd)
Date: 27 Jan 2000 15:46:18 PST
On Jan 27, The McGehee Zone wrote:
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April 15 is coming...
Kevin McGehee
Newnan, Georgia
mail@mcgeheezone.com
http://www.McGeheeZone.com/
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 2:11 PM
The Dark Side of the Tax State
By Charles Adams
[Posted January 25, 2000]
There are innumerable articles being published about the end of the 20th
century, with an uplifting theme about the Greatest Century That Ever Was,
or a similar title. Each article lists the miraculous achievements of the
past 100 years.
The lists are impressive: Our greatly extended life spans; our freedom from
so many diseases and early deaths of children and mothers. Added to that are
the marvels of our factories and farms, electrification, communication,
travel, literacy, our standards of living, etc. The marvels are everywhere.
Indeed, the "millennium" written about by the ancients seems to be upon us,
or so it seems.
The millennium in the Bible was a thousand years of peace--a period of great
happiness for the human race. Yet the last century has seen more killings of
human beings by human governments than in the past millennium, estimated at
150 million, if not more by some studies. Passing on to our children in the
next century our talent and propensity to kill our fellow man, dampens the
marvels of an otherwise amazing age of progress. Of course, there is the
remote possibility our children may reject war and human slaughter and civil
destruction as a way of dealing with disputes. If so, what else is on the
darker side?
One article extolling the great achievements of our age by the Cato
Institute, in a one liner, acknowledged that there were some "trends" that
were bothersome: "Taxes are higher and government is a lot bigger and more
intrusive than 100 years ago." Those negatives are far beyond the "trend"
stage, and unless reversed, have disaster written all over them, and no one
seems aware of what has been happening. So taxes are higher, but we get more
from government. And as for being "intrusive," that can't be avoided. So,
what's the problem?
The problem is with history. All indications are that we are repeating a
process that cost the Romans their most prized possession of all, which was
not their empire, but their freedom and liberty. Our statue of liberty,
while ostensibly a gift from the French, was really a gift from the Romans.
The Goddess of Liberty, which she represents, was lost, not by the barbarian
hordes, but by the Roman government. Rome had great traditions of liberty.
In the Justinian Digests we read, "Liberty is a possession on which no
valuation can be placed." And again, "Freedom is beloved above all things."
And the Goddess adorned Roman coins and her statues were in temples
throughout the empire.
Yet in the 4th century A.D., liberty and freedom for the Roman people was
taken away by the Emperor Diocletian in order to protect the emperor's
revenue. In one fell swoop, Diocletian ordered all Romans to remain on their
jobs, to not change their places of abode. That way, no one could escape
from the tax rolls. Prior to his decree, Roman taxation was founded upon a
census taken every five years, but overly taxed citizens -- after taxes had
been doubled and then doubled again -- would quickly move away to a new tax
district where they weren't on the rolls, and until the next census they
were outside the tax system. There was a saying at that time, that "a man
was free if his name was not on the tax rolls." So like all governments
before and since, they took the necessary steps, even if it meant taking
away the freedom of the people, to ensure full compliance with the tax law.
There is evidence to support and justify what Diocletian did to prevent the
empire from collapse. But the great Roman historian, M. Rostovtzeff, saw
this as no justification for the evil that was done:
The emperors of the fourth century, and above all Diocletian...took their
duties seriously, and they were animated by the sincerest love of their
country. Their aim was to save the Roman Empire, and they achieved it....
They never asked whether it was worth while to save the Roman Empire in
order to make a vast prison for scores of millions of men.
In the last three decades since 1970, we have done essentially what
Diocletian did overnight. We had constitutional guards to prevent that from
happening, so it happened bit by bit, Congress by Congress, until today,
aided by our modern technology we have a Diocletianized tax world. Our
process for achieving this end was vividly expressed by Lord Erskine in 1792
defending Thomas Paine in London:
Let us consider, my lords, that arbitrary power has seldom or never been
introduced into a country at once. It must be introduced by slow degrees,
and, as it were, step by step, lest the people should see it approach. The
barriers and fences of the people's liberty must be plucked up one by one,
and some plausible pretense must be found for removing or hoodwinking, one
after another, those sentries who are posted by the constitution of a free
country, for warning the people of their danger. When these - preparatory
steps are once made, the people may then, indeed, with regret, see slavery
and arbitrary power making long strides over their land; but it will be too
late to think of preventing or avoiding the impending ruin.
Has not this happened in the past three decades? By slow degrees, "step by
step" the tax man in America has gained total control over everyone's
economic life. In short, an almost perfect system of espionage over every
facet of the fiscal system has slowly evolved until there is absolutely
nothing about your economic affairs the government doesn't have under powers
of surveillance. Here is the scenario of how our liberties have been taken
away and been destroyed, as Congress, with the blessing of a majority of the
Supreme Court justices, pluck out the sentries posted to protect the peoples
liberties and transform a tax system into a spy system, turning the people
into tax slaves, neo-Diocletian style. Each fact listed below is pervasive
in today's economic life but were non-existent in 1970:
All banking records photographed for Big Brother to see at will.
All stock and securities transactions reported to the tax man.
All real estate transactions reported to the tax man.
All interest, dividends, etc. reported to the tax man.
All part time work, even babysitters and teenage garden helpers reported to
the tax man.
All barter transactions reported to the tax man. Like neighborly affairs:
"I'll help you with your rec room; you help me put in a new lawn." Big deal!
All gambling winnings of significance reported to the IRS: casinos, race
track, lotteries, etc.
All foreign accounts, holdings, trusts, reported to the tax man.
U.S. citizens living abroad, reported to the IRS by the U.S. Customs, on
returning home.
Passport applicants abroad must report to the IRS.
Travelers checks and cash over $10,000 reported on leaving or entering the
U.S.
Any moderately large cash deposits or withdrawals from your bank account
reported to the IRS.
Heavy fines on banks for not reporting the above.
A multitude of fiscal penalties for failing to comply with a myriad of petty
tax rules, however innocent or inadvertent.
Surveillance and penalties on tax preparers when preparing an inaccurate
return.
Tax shelters must be reported (whatever that means).
Harsh and long prison terms for tax offenders far in excess of what violent
criminals receive.
The above list of enslaving intrusions and punishments is by no means
exhaustive. There are a myriad of other spying devises and punitive measures
for tax enforcement. Special units prey on lawyers to keep them off-balance.
A small town lawyer in California was sent to jail when he sent in a proper
tax return without a check. Rather than send the matter to the powerful
collection division, the IRS simply threw him in jail under a rare, almost
unknown provision of the tax code. He complained, "I'm a nobody." Wrong! He
was a lawyer and other lawyers will get the message. There are special
training sessions to teach agents how to entice people to report on their
family and friends, exactly as Stalin's NKVD did in the 1930s.
The 17 points referred to above did not happen at once; it took Congress
three decades to tear down the fences and dupe the sentries that stood guard
over our fiscal liberties. What do we need? A leader to tell Congress to
"Tear Down this Tax Code," as Reagan told Gorbachev to "Tear Down this
Wall."
Unlike other civilized nations that fine tax offenders as the primary
punishment, our government takes delight in Roman style cruelty. Compare the
30 year prison sentence handed down by a Kansas City federal judge, Dean
Whipple, against a woman, no less, named Trula Walker -- with a 30 day house
confinement given to Sophia Laren by an Italian judge for a similar size tax
offense. Sentences of 25 years are not uncommon as an Oregon high school
coach was to learn. Compare also our psychopathic punishments with those
routinely given to violent criminals like Mike Tyson's rape of a young
beauty contestant. It is obviously more important to our government to
enforce tax slavery with an iron fist, than to protect citizens from
violence. The prison term numbers do not lie.
Tax Slavery By The Numbers
Besides the espionage against taxpayers and the savage punishments -- the
core of all tax slavery -- there is the matter of being part free and part
slave. Leo Tolstoy, the great Russian writer and humanitarian of the 19th
century, gave us a modern definition of slavery in 1891:
The essence of all slavery consists in taking the produce of another's labor
by force. It is immaterial whether this force be founded on ownership of the
slave or ownership of the money that he must get to live on.
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: The Rape of the Union Address Report (fwd)
Date: 27 Jan 2000 21:51:12 PST
On Jan 27, InTheRiver wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
The More-Or-Less-Annual
Rape of the Union Address Report
by Jefferson Adams
AP (Associated Potatoes) - Tonight I had the honor
of watching the annual Rape of the Union Address
on television (which was strapped down to my
entertainment center, due to the torque put
on it by the CNN commentators' pre-address spin).
As the commentators finished their bipartisan and
tolerant commentary, the first lady (and I use the
term so loosely it almost slipped out of my keyboard
while typing this) of what's left of the United
States (FLOTUS) marched gayly down the aisle,
closely followed by what appeared at first glance
to be an upright cocker spaniel in a dress, but
whom I quickly and shrewdly determined to be, in
fact, the first daughter (DOTPAFLOTUS).
Immediately following FLOTUS and DOTPAFLOTUS,
Strom Thurmond floated down the aisle, his
feet approximately 2 inches above the floor,
wearing a black cape. Directly behind Count
Thurmond was Attorney General Janet Reno,
resplendent in blue, with little wisps of sulfuric-
smelling smoke occasionally erupting from her ears
and eyes.
And then the Big Moment we'd all been waiting for
suddenly erupted upon us, much like when you've
had a few too many beers and a whole bag of Doritos:
As the Representatives of Socialist Party A
and Socialist Party B applauded wildly, William
Jefferson Blythe Lipbiter Clinton, the president of
what's left of the United States (POTUS) skipped
merrily down the aisle between the Vast Right Wing
Conspiracy side and the Save the Global Whales
side of the House of Representatives, handing
out cigars to the Representatives on both sides of
the aisle, as he hummed what sounded from a distance
remarkably like the theme song to Gilligan's Island.
It was interesting to see how many of the
Representatives sniffed their cigars before sticking
them into their pockets...
Immediately behind the president came a troop of
Girl Scouts, wearing chastity belts one and all,
and sweeping up what appeared to be some kind of
slimy substance into buckets carried by obviously
homosexual Boy Scouts. Tolerance was evident
as far as the eye could see, and a spirit of gayety
was in the air.
POTUS stopped occasionally during his trip down the
aisle to kiss some of the more attractive
Representatives and fondle their body parts if it
appeared the cameras wouldn't be able to catch him.
As the Prez reached the platform, and as the thunderous
applause began to die down, William Jefferson Blythe
Lipbiter Clinton exhorted the attendees, as well as
the viewing audience at home, that "Never before has
such prosperity and wonderfulness gripped America.
We have the lowest unemployment, the least poverty,
and the highest number of female White House interns
in the history of our country. My fellow Americans -
the state of the union is the strongest it's ever
been!"
More thunderous applause, and a sly wink from
the Prez.
POTUS proceeded to outline how we've succeeded in
replacing outmoded ideologies, like that quaint
religion, "Christianity." He also proudly announced
that, in the last 10 minutes alone, the Brady Bill
has kept over 13 million criminals from buying
Assault Weapons. With a smile broadly but smugly
ensconced on his presidential features, POTUS
proclaimed that we've ended welfare, as we know it,
and gotten rid of fleas too, just for good measure.
At this point, the Speaker of the House,
What's His Name, noticed that Algore was growing
into his chair and reached over and pulled his
"limbs" back out of the upholstery.
Herr Prezident challenged Congress to pass a Real
Patient's Bill of Rights, as the camera panned to
Ted Kennedy, who appeared to be as dead as
Mary Jo Kopechne.
His Kingliness then pontificated briefly on how
we've just got to have Common Sense Gun
Legislation passed; enough is enough.
On the subject of education, the president insisted
that we need a 21st-Century Revolution. With our new
budget surplus, we will hire 100 million new teachers.
And every classroom needs to be connected to the
internet; how else will our inner city chilrun learn
to surf the web? And we've got to get chilrun out of
trailers - like the one Paula Jones lives in - and
into classrooms.
The president then thanked Tipper Gore for heading up
Mental Health Care, which her husband invented.
Henry Waxman and Richard Gephardt looked confused, and
not a little mentally unhealthy, as the camera panned
across their so-called faces.
William Jefferson Blythe Lipbiter Clinton then pointed
out, in tears, sackcloth and ashes, that 1 in 3 children
in the inner city grows up without a father. With this,
he pointed to Carlos Rosas Rodriquez Mendez-Lopez in the
audience, who had decided to support his 19 children from
17 different women after all; as Mendez-Lopez rose, he
was greeted with roaring applause, as befits a national
hero of his caliber and stature.
Wiping a tear from each eye, Billy Jeff wailed that
nobody in America believes that we're safe enough yet,
even with those 100,000 federally-financed with a little
help from you and me the taxpayers new cops on the
street. So the president asked congress to fund the
hiring of 50 million more police, in black uniforms
and black ski masks. Submachineguns will be extra,
he noted, but we'll pay for that out of our budget
surplus. If it saves only one life.
Speaking of crime, killing and guns, POTUS said the
word "Columbine," and everyone on both sides of the
aisle began to cry. After most of the tears were
wiped and most of the noses blown (no, not THAT kind
of "blow," that's later in the Oval Office, and special
invited guests only), the president asked Tom Mauser
(no relation to the inventer of the Mauser rifle) to
stand. Tom's son was among those killed at Columbine,
but by God, he's dedicating his life now to stamping
out Evil Guns. And he looked serious about it, too.
POTUS, continuing cheerfully on in the spirit of
Antichrist, said that we've got to hire more ATF agents,
and we've got to supply them with the tools they need
for raiding churches and homes at 3:00 AM - he's asking
congress to fund high technology enforcement tools, such
as F-16 fighter planes and backpack nukes. The
president pointed out that if the ATF had had
portable nuclear devices in 1993, it would have saved
the United States and Janet Reno two months of agony
and a lot of wasted federal dollars at Waco, Texas.
Moving on to the Global scene, his highness pointed out
that we really don't know for sure exactly WHAT China
and Russia are going to do, so the best thing for us
to do is to continue to dismantle the military and
replace all the current soldiers with homosexuals.
"America has got to be a beacon to the rest of the
world," the president effused, "and tolerance is the
key. And we'll kill any religious nuts that don't
reach a consensus with us on this."
"Besides," he said with a smarmy smile, "our gay
men and women in uniform have written to personally
tell me how much they like wearing those positively
darling blue berets."
At this point, the Joint Chiefs of Staff stood up,
curtseyed, and gave the prez a wink.
POTUS stated that he and Algore have saved the
environment, which, incidentally, Algore invented.
But it's not enough. Just a few weeks ago, on behalf
of Americans everywhere, he personally seized
50 million acres of land near the Grand Canyon - "But
that's just a start," he said. "We can't stop until
every square inch of American soil, plus your houses
and businesses, and even your children, are wholly
owned by the United Nations. And with the budget
surplus we've created, I'm asking Congress to fund
exactly that."
Well, frankly, it went on and on from there, but I
sorta slipped into a snooze, and awoke just as the
President was talking about how the feral government
is going to ensure the privacy of every American
citizen by installing backdoors into all software
written by Microsoft and by personally holding
the encryption keys to all digital encoding.
And to make sure that our privacy is insured, the
2000 census will create a database of all American
citizens, with lots of personal data that can only
be accessed by the president, the attorney general,
Hillary, Chelsea, various and sundry aides, and the
states of California and New York.
"In summary," said POTUS, "we live in a Brave New World,
teetering on the top of a mountain of deceit and
government scum and villainy, and it looks like it's
gonna get worse before it gets better."
Oh. I think I dreamed that part.
- Monte
Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Clinton Gun Poll
Date: 28 Jan 2000 10:32:47 PST
DO YOU SUPPORT PRESIDENT CLINTON'S PROPOSAL FOR HANDGUN REGISTRATION?
http://today.about.com/blpoll.htm
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From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell)
Subject: Coburn Endorses Keyes
Date: 29 Jan 2000 09:11:07 -0600
Coburn Endorses Keyes for President
MANCHESTER, N.H., Jan. 28 /PRNewswire/ -- U.S. Rep. Tom A. Coburn (R-OK)
today endorsed Ambassador Alan Keyes for the Republican nomination for
President, calling him "the one candidate for President who actually
understands what is wrong with our country and who has the vision, the
courage, and the clarity of principle to put it right."
URL:
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-28-2000/0001126555&EDATE=
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [slick-d] Can You Believe It? (fwd)
Date: 29 Jan 2000 11:08:04 PST
On Jan 29, odellh@juno.com wrote:
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God made women but Colonel Colt made women equal,
and carrying the tool he invented remains the constitutional
right of every American. ( Vince Suprnowicz )
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 2:56 PM
Back in 1969 a group of Black Panthers decided that a black man
named Alex Rackley needed to die. Rackley was a fellow Panther
suspected of disloyalty. Rackley was first tied to a chair. Safely
immobilized his "friends" tortured him for hours by, among other
things, pouring boiling water on him. When they got tired of torturing
Rackley Black Panther member Warren Kimbro took Mr. Rackley's
outside and put a bullet in his head. Rackleys body was found floating
in a river about 25 miles north of New Haven, Conn.
Maybe at this point you're curious as to what happened to these Black
Panthers. Well, in 1977 that's only eight years later only one of the
killers was still in jail. The shooter, Warren Kimbro, managed to get a
scholarship to Harvard. He later became an assistant dean at Eastern
Connecticut State College. Isn't that something? As a 60s radical you
can pump a bullet into someone's head, and years later, in the same
State, you can be an assistant college dean! Only in America!
Ericka Huggins was the lady who served the Panthers by boiling the
water for Mr. Rackley's torture. Some years later Ms. Huggins was
elected to a California school board. How in the world do you think that
these killers got off so easy? Well, maybe it was in some part due to
the efforts of two people who came to the defense of the Panthers.
These two people actually went so far as to shut down Yale University
with demonstrations in defense of the accused Black Panthers during
their trial.
One of those people was none other than Bill Lan Lee. Mr. Lee or Mr.
Lan Lee as the case may be, isn't a college dean. He isn't a member
of a California school board. He is the head of the U.S. Justice
Departments Civil Rights Division. Lee is serving in that capacity
illegally, by the way, but that's another story-another part of the
Clinton saga of ignoring the rule of law.
O.K., so who was the other Panther defender? Is this other notable
Panther defender now a school board member? Is this other Panther
apologist now an assistant college dean? Nope, neither. The other
Panther defender was, like Lee, a radical law student at Yale University
at that time. She is now known as The Smartest Woman in the World.
She is none other than the unofficial Democratic candidate for U.S.
Senate from the State of New York ---- our lovely First Lady, the
incredible Hillary Rodham Clinton.
COMMENT: And now we should understand why the Reverend Billy Graham
said many years ago, "If God Almighty doesn't call judgment upon the
United States of America, he's going to owe Sodom and Gomorah an
apology."
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: "Ken Mitchell"
Subject: MS-NBC Gun Poll
Date: 29 Jan 2000 16:37:46 -0800
Question of the Day
President Clinton used his State of the Union address to propose photo
licenses for handgun purchases. Would-be buyers would have to obtain a state
license showing they had passed a background check and gun safety course or
an exam.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/313533.asp?0m=T12M#survey
Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net
916-955-9152 (voicemail) http://www.gvn.net/~creative/
"In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as
possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." Voltaire
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [harpazo] Not Much Time Left to Choose (fwd)
Date: 29 Jan 2000 20:45:27 PST
On Jan 29, Ernie Gray wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
Hi Folks,
This one got my attention.Don't know how many of you may have seen it
Ernie
==============================================================
>URGENT * URGENT * URGENT * URGENT * URGENT
>
>Subject # 1: UN disarms the people then "watches" them
>slaughtered..
>
>Subject # 2: UN to adopt Charter 99, principles of One World
>Government, in September 2000.
>
>To comply with specific United Nations objectives, President
>Clinton and his administration are pushing very hard for legislation
>to totally disarm individual Americans, both physically and
>spiritually. Such an action will render us incapable of defending
>ourselves individually, our families and our homes and properties.
>
>It s time for ALL Americans to wake up and realize the ultimate
>end result of such an action is total tyranny and dictatorship. No
>nation in history has ever survived the total disarming of its
>individual citizens, and thus there is no reason to expect that
>America, as we know it, will survive such an action.
>
>There is no question about the fact that the United Nations has as
>its goal, total control over every aspect of every single
>individual in the world. To arrive at this conclusion all one has to
>do is to study (not just read) the various UN documents and plans
>relative to the proposed One World Government.
>
>Following is a prime example of what happens to a people who
>have been totally disarmed.
>
>After communicating with Reverend Hammond thru his Office
>Manager, Ms Danielle Taylor, I concluded that I have no other
>alternative but to share this EYE WITNESS account with you.
>Please read the following very carefully and prayerfully and I will
>add some additional information at the end of the following report.
>*************************************************
>Subject: African missionary on Tutsi slaughter and the U.N.
>Date sent: Thu, 1 Jul 1999
>
>Recently a local talk show host (Barbara Simpson of KSFO radio in
>San Francisco) interviewed Reverend Peter Hammond, over the
>phone from Capetown, South Africa.
>
>Rev. Hammond has been a missionary for 18 years. He spoke of
>seeing thousands of bodies and/or skeletons of Tutsi victims of
>Hutu murderers in Rwanda. Hammond said that people from the
>UN stood by and allowed the slaughter by machetes to occur, and
>at times handed over Tutsis to the secret police. (Individual Tutsis
>were identified and marked for murder.)
>
>The U.N. disarmed the Tutsi population in advance of the genocide.
>Spears, knives, and machetes, as well as all guns, were confiscated.
>Hammond said that all genocides have been preceded by
>disarmaments.
>
>The Tutsi were Christians, and the Hutus are primarily
>anti-Christians; Hammond said there were three operative
>anti-Christian forces: 1) voodooists/animists 2) Marxists, who
>worked up the resentment against the Tutsis, who, as a result of
>their habits of clean-living, saving, investment, and so on, built
>up more material and financial success than the Hutus and 3)
>Islamists.
>
>The Tutsis were primarily killed in churches, schools, and hospitals,
>the places to which they fled for sanctuary.
>
>Rev. Hammond said he has watched U.N. personnel over the years
>and noted that, while many of the lower- or middle-level people
>were well-meaning "bleeding hearts", "absolutely" the upper
>echelons of the U.N. people were anti-Christian. He said so
>"without doubt, having been a missionary for 18 years."
>
>He said that in Angola and Sudan, the U.N. was selective about
>who received aid.. He said persecution of Christians has been
>particularly bad over many years in Sudan.
>
>Rev. Hammond has written many books--"Holocaust in Rwanda" is
>a recent one--and also has made video documentaries. A contact
>phone number is 1-888-918-4100.
>*******************************************
>TCAN Adds the following.
>
>In the U. S. Congress, Texas Representative Ron Paul has
>introduced a bill, HR-1146, entitled American Sovereignty Act of
>1999. This legislation seeks to terminate US membership in
>the United Nations. To read the bill, and more click of the
>following
>
> [ http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin/a73.htm ]
>
>For more disturbing information on US/UN activities and atrocities
>click on the following.
>
> [ http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin/a45.htm ]
>
>Following is the current status of HR-1146.
>
>April. 7, 1999 Referred to House subcommittee
>
>Following is a list of cosponsors, other than that there has been no
>action on this bill.
>
>Ralph Hall (D, TX)
>Pete Sessions (R, TX)
>Robert Aderholt (R, AL)
>Bob Stump (R, AZ)
>John Doolittle (R, CA)
>Richard Pombo (R, CA)
>Thomas G. Tancredo (R, CO)
>Helen Chenoweth (R, ID)
>Phil Crane (R, IL)
>Charlie Norwood (R, GA)
>Bob Barr (R, GA)
>Roscoe Bartlett (R, MD)
>Sue Wilkins Myrick (R, NC)
>Bob Ney (R, OH)
>John J. Duncan, Jr. (R, TN)
>Zack Wamp (R, TN)
>******************************************************
>ACTION TO BE TAKEN:
>
>In view of the above EYE WITNESS report, and MUCH MORE,
>The Christian Alert Network (TCAN), strongly urges every
>American to immediately contact your own US Representative and
>urge him to strongly and aggressively, support this legislation to
>extricate American from the entangled web of the United Nations.
>
>Please contact your US Representative by (1) telephone, (2) and
>then follow up that telephone call with a FAX (3) and regular letter.
>
>E-Mail has very little impact. You must continue to contact your
>representative on a regular basis, until HR 1136 becomes law.
>
>Remember, the United Nations has scheduled a special Millennium
>Assembly and Summit meeting in September 2000 (just 8 months
>from now while Clinton is still at the wheel) for the purpose of
>adopting the 12 principles set forth in Charter 99; A Charter for
>Global Democracy , and thus the end of America as a Sovereign
>Nation.
>
>Due to the short lead time, YOU MUST ACT NOW. Together lets
>flood the US House of Representatives with 10's of thousands of
>phone calls, fax, and regular mail during the period beginning
>Monday 31 January thru Friday 4 February.
>
>The US Capitol switchboard number is: 202-224-3121 or 1-800-
>972-3524
>To locate your US Representative on the internet, click on the
>following:
>http://www.house.gov/
>
>In as much as the future of America is at stake, TCAN respectfully
>request that this Alert be forwarded to the maximum extent possible.
>
>Pastors, please inform the members of your congregation of this
>situation.
>
>The choice is yours, freedom or slavery, YOU MUST CHOOSE.
>
>
>Rev. "Curt" Tomlin
>President
>The Christian Alert Network,Inc.
>POB 11746
>Killeen, Tx 76547-1746
>Ph: 254-628-7043
>Fax: 254-628-7894
>EMail: ctomlin@vvm.com
>Web Site: http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [slickplus] VIN: Jan. 29 column -- State of the Union (fwd)
Date: 29 Jan 2000 20:44:20 PST
On Jan 29, RichSlick@aol.com wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED JAN. 29, 2000
THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
The longest wish-list ever
President Clinton has "never been known for the brevity of his
remarks," a CBS correspondent wryly observed, and indeed the president set
a new record with his 89-minute State of the Union address Thursday
evening, presenting in now-standard fashion a laundry list of 101 bold new
initiatives to eliminate hunger, poverty, risk, and unhappiness --
everything from "consolidating the confusing violence ratings" on video
games and TV shows to a new federal initiative to collect more money from
deadbeat dads -- a proposal which the president illustrated in typical
show-and-tell fashion by requesting a round of applause for one Carlos
Rosas ("Stand up, Carlos"), apparently for making child support payments as
required by law to the mother of his child, to whom he remains unmarried.
Yay! ... I guess.
(As for the "violence rating system" -- an area where the Constitutional
mandate for federal involvement remains obscure at best -- note that the
president thanked the industry for adapting such a system voluntarily, as
had been requested by him and the first lady. Their reward for complying
voluntarily? The government will now impose on them a better, federal
system. See how it pays to cooperate?)
What made this annual stemwinder all the more surreal is that the
president began the evening by proudly proclaiming everyone in America is
now rich and happy, which (except for the millions killed or imprisoned for
violating pointless edicts that didn't even exist 70 years ago) is very
nearly true.
So why was it so unthinkable that the president might proceed to merely
solicit a round of applause for all the bureaucrats who have done so
wonderfully in achieving all the goals Lyndon Johnson set for them back in
1964 -- whereupon he could break the good news that they'll all be going
home next week, all the federal ant farms shutting down, last one out
please douse the lights?
Instead, determined to "spend" the sleight-of-hand "budget surplus" whose
existence no one now questions (in fact, vast long-term commitments remain
unfunded, and the federal government continues to sell debt instruments as
fast as it can print them -- this outfit has been actuarially bankrupt for
at least 60 years), the president blithely ticked off so many new and
recycled billion-dollar proposals that Republicans tallied the cost at $343
billion in new spending -- more than the amount of money which the
government can actually print. (Government presses currently spew out only
$693 million worth of currency a day.)
Up the street, the Libertarian Party tallied this year's welfare-state
opium dream in a different fashion, pointing out that during Mr. Clinton's
89-minute "promise-a-thon" he proposed new or increased federal spending to
the tune of $743 billion ($400 billion for Medicare; $343 billion for other
programs), leading to the mathematical finding that Mr. Clinton managed to
propose new spending at a rate of $139 million every second he spoke.
How are we to make sense of such a tangled mass of fiduciary flotsam?
The president said he favors $350 billion in "tax cuts" over 10 years,
but most of those actually turn out to be "targeted tax deductions."
What's the difference?
George McGovern was laughed out of town when he proposed a "reverse
income tax" 28 years ago. But there it was, buried in the fine print: a $21
billion expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, including expanded child
care subsidies which the president would "make refundable for low income
families" -- a "refundable credit" being a euphemism for the very reverse
income tax of socialist fable and song.
Yet meantime, all these so-called "tax cuts" would be tied to $100 billion
in new tax hikes, which the president characterized as merely "closing
tax loopholes and shelters."
Tax "hikes" on those who actually pay taxes; tax "cuts" which take the
form of government payments to those who don't pay taxes. Get it?
And that's before we even get to initiatives like $280 million for "the
largest national gun enforcement program ever" - rewarding the BATF for
their fine work at Waco by funding 500 new BATF agents, along with an
unspecified new system to trace "every gun and every bullet used in a
crime."
How?
Any requirement to put serial numbers on bullets would multiply the price
of ammunition 20-fold; would make felons overnight of hobbyists who cast
their own bullets; and would effectively outlaw the sale or private
possession of surplus military ammunition, the cheapest source of
cartridges for the weekend plinker.
Furthermore, the effectiveness of any such scheme assumes criminals will
be stupid enough to go into gun shops and buy ammo under their own names.
The town of Pomona, Calif. already has a municipal requirement that all
ammunition buyers fill out a form with their name and address. I have seen
ammo purchases successfully conducted in Pomona under the names "Helen O.
Troy" and "Marquis D. Sade." Dealers say local police don't even bother to
come around and pick up the thousands of forms after the weekend gun shows.
Also buried in the president's 90-minute wish list was a paltry $1.6
billion over two years to get America deeper into the civil war against
"narco-terrorists" in Colombia.
Oh, what fun.
The president said he would "go after their money," which would
presumably require imposing American-style "anti-money-laundering" laws
throughout the Caribbean, crippling local economies as the newly-wealthy
exporters of Latin America's most popular agricultural commodities would
merely shift their funds elsewhere.
Then, later in the evening, the president promised Americans "new
protections for the privacy of bank and credit card records."
Don't you love it?
Afterwards, the television talking heads were full of praise for "New
Democrat" Clinton, who (we were told) "realizes that government can't solve
all our problems; it can only serve as an enabler ... an instigator ... a
facilitator."
Oh. So government isn't going to solve all my problems. It's only
going to "facilitate" my solving of my own problems.
And for that it only wants an additional $300 billion to $700 billion?
What a deal.
Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas
Review-Journal. His new book, "Send in the Waco Killers", is available at
1-800-244-2224.
***
Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com
"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John
Hay, 1872
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and
thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series
of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: A sharp stick in a gun grabber's eye (fwd)
Date: 30 Jan 2000 07:06:35 PST
On Jan 29, Jim Zoes wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
The last two days, the media has been whining about the web site of
candidate Dr. Michael Curtiss for the Republican nomination for candidate
for the 17th Ill Congressional district.
Dr. Curtiss is raffling off a new-in-the-box M1 Match Garand and an ArmaLite
AR 50 in .50BMG. He calls the latter the "The Rod Blagojevich Special"
after gun-grabbing Rod-the-Red, a liberal democratic Congressman from
Chicago who wants to ban ownership and possession of .50's. Rod is very
anti-gun.
Naturally, the Chicago media is pissed off and is Red-Rod. And, the NBC
outlet (WMAQ) in Chicago is calling it a ".50 cal machine gun." -- which,
of course, it isn't. But the TV media has never let "accuracy" define their
newscasts....
If you want to visit Dr. Curtiss' site it's at
http://www.loveofcountry.com/
The gun raffle is at
http://www.loveofcountry.com/contribute2.htm
I'm sure he would like the support....
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Re: Amendment (fwd)
Date: 30 Jan 2000 07:08:21 PST
On Jan 30, C. D. Tavares wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
I posted this back in December of 1998:
>A bizarre warp in space and time floated through New England in 1987, in
>the aftermath of which the Commonwealth found to its surprise that it had
>actually done away with its discretionary License to Purchase, Possess, and
>Use Model Rocket Engines.
>
>Seen any increase in grass fires? Home explosions? Downed aircraft?
>Drive-by launchings?
>
>Conversely, thousands of previously restricted Boston residents are now
>free to go to Toys R Us and buy their kids model rocketry outfits, just
>like their relatives have always been able to do in the other 49 states.
>
>Public safety is unfortunately used too often as an excuse for tyranny.
>
>(On this topic, does anyone here have the text of Lord Dunmore's order to
>his troops to confiscate the colonist's gunpowder in Jamestown? It
>illustrates this principle perfectly, and I wanted an accurate copy for my
>archives.)
A couple of people asked me for this document if I ever found it. After a
year, I have located a copy, along with a lot of related contemporaneous
documents. It's fascinating in that if you rewrote it in modern English,
it could easily be a recent White House press release on the "militia
problem," and how guns have to be heavily controlled to keep them out of
the hands of the "criminal element."
Wednesday, 3 May 1775
(Virginia Gazette (Pinkney), 4 May 1775)
Royal Chief Magistracy
Advice of His Council to Governor Dunmore and His Excellency's
Resultant Proclamation
At a COUNCIL held at the PALACE May 3, 1775.
Present, his Excellency the Governor, Thomas Nelson(, Sr.), Richard
Corbin, William Byrd (III), Ralph Wormeley, junior, esquires, John
Camm, clerk, and John Page, esquires.
The board, resuming the consideration of the subject laid before them
yesterday by the governor, advised him to issue the following
proclamation; and the same was ordered accordingly.
By his EXCELLENCY the right honourable JOHN Earl of DUNMORE, his
Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of the Colony and Dominion
of VIRGINIA, and Vice Admiral of the same.
A PROCLAMATION.
VIRGINIA, to wit.
WHEREAS there is too much reason to suppose that some persons, in the
different parts of this colony, are disaffected to his majesty's
government, and by their weight and credit with the people are
endeavouring to bring the country into such a situation as to afford
them the fairest prospect of effecting a change in the form of it,
covering their wicked designs under the specious appearance of
defending their liberties, and have taken advantage of the unhappy
ferment, which themselves have raised in the minds of their fellow
subjects, in prosecution of their dangerous designs to oppose the most
undoubted prerogative of the king, which in a late instance I thought
it expedient to exert by removing on board his majesty's ship the
Fowey, a small quantity of gunpowder, belonging to his majesty, from
the magazine in this city; I have thought fit, by advice of his
majesty's council, to issue this my proclamation, with a view of
undeceiving the deluded, and of exposing to the unwary the destruction
into which they may be precipitated, if they suffer themselves to be
longer guided by such infatuated counsels.
Although I consider myself, under the authority of the crown, the only
constitutional judge, in what manner the munition, provided for the
protection of the people of this government, is to be disposed of for
that end; yet for effecting the salutary objects of this proclamation,
and removing from the minds of his majesty's subjects the groundless
suspicions they have imbibed, I think proper to declare that the
apprehensions which seemed to prevail throughout this whole country of
an intended insurrection of the slaves, who had been seen in large
numbers, in the night time, about the magazine, and my knowledge of
its being a very insecure depositary, were my inducement to that
measure, and I chose the night as the properest season, because I knew
the temper of the time, and the misinterpretations of my design which
would be apt to prevail if the thing should be known. Acting under
these motives, I certainly rather deserved the thanks of the country
than their reproaches. But, whenever the present ferment shall
subside, and it shall become necessary to put arms into the hands of
the militia, for the defence of the people against a foreign enemy or
intestine insurgents, I shall be as ready as on a late occasion to
exert my best abilities in the service of the country. In the mean
time, as it is indispensably necessary to maintain order and the
authority of the laws, and thereby the dignity of his majesty's
government, I exhort and require, in his majesty's name, all his
faithful subjects, to leave no expedient unessayed which may tend to
that happy end. Such as are not to be influenced by the love of order
for its own sake, and the blessings of this colony, as well as the
dangers to which it is exposed from a savage enemy; who, from the most
recent advices I have received from the frontier inhabitants, are
ready to renew their hostilities against the people of this country.
But, as on the one hand, nothing can justify men, without proper
authority, in a rapid recurrence to arms, nothing excuse resistence to
the executive power in the due enforcement of law, so on the other,
nothing but such resistance and outrageous proceedings shall ever
compel me to avail myself of any means that may carry the appearance
of severity.
Anxious to restore peace and harmony to this distracted country, and
to induce a firmer reliance on the goodness and tenderness of our most
gracious sovereign to all his subjects equally, and on the wisdom of
his councils for a redress of all their real grievances, which can
only be obtained by loyal and constitutional applications, I again
call upon and require all his majesty's liege subjects, and especially
all magistrates and other officers, both civil and military, to exert
themselves in removing the discontents, and suppressing the spirit of
faction, which prevail among the people, that a dutiful submission to
the laws of the land may be strictly observed, which shall ever be the
rule of my conduct, as the interest and happiness of this dominion
ever have been, and shall continue to be, the objects of my
administration.
GIVEN under my hand, and the seal of the colony, at Williamsburg, this
3d day of May, 1775, and in the 15th year of his majesty's reign.
GOD SAVE THE KING.
--
Tavares@alum.mit.edu | http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares | RKBA!
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
-- MAO ZEDONG (1938)
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RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: VIN: Iowa Caucus JAN. 30, 2000 (fwd)
Date: 30 Jan 2000 10:13:41 PST
On Jan 30, RichSlick@aol.com wrote:
[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]
FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
Why it's so important to ignore Iowa
Democracy on a mass scale can be a good way to keep the peace, but it
rarely produces much to be proud of.
That's why the founders made democracy such a small part of our system.
Federal judges don't stand for election (nor did U.S. senators, till 1912).
Even the president is supposed to be chosen not by some mob, but by either
Congress or an electoral college (whose delegates are not required to mimic
the popular vote. In 1972 a Virginia elector cast his vote for Libertarian
nominees John Hospers and Theodora "Toni" Nathan -- the first woman so
honored. That elector's vote counted; he was not led away in chains.)
If the group must settle on one thing for lunch, by all means let's get
whatever the plurality of "voters" want. Just don't try to convince me the
ballot results "prove" McDonald's offers the best cuisine in town.
Consider the recent balloting among 700 "music professionals" which led
cable network VH-1 to declare the Rolling Stones' "Satisfaction" to be the
greatest rock song in history.
The winning entry may be the most familiar o song in rock history. It
may be the most easily recognized o song in rock history. But it isn't
even the Rolling Stones' best song, for heaven's sake. (This is the band
that brought us "Brown Sugar," "Sympathy for the Devil," and "Tumbling
Dice.")
"Satisfaction," one will recall, is the classic anthem of teen rebellion
against a commercial culture whose pitchmen tell us "how white our shirts
can be" -- a major social crisis of the '60s which seems to have receded a
bit with time, recorded by a set of scruffy teens who, at the earliest
opportunity, ran out to buy country estates and Bentleys and medium-sized
Latin American countries with more amiable banking laws. (And God bless
them for it.)
Anyway, what happens in such "democratic" tallies is that such
masterpieces as "Stairway to Heaven (No. 4), "Hotel California" (No. 7),
"Johnny B. Goode (No. 15) and "Layla" (No. 16) -- not to mention the life
work of folks like Lennon & McCartney -- effectively cancel each other out.
Acquired tastes are cast out, and what remains is a consensus of
mediocrity. We can only thank our lucky stars the victory didn't go to
"Wild Thing" (No. 50) or "Hang on Sloopy."
Which brings us to the similar exercise now occurring in the parallel
political universe, where Americans will soon choose whether the next
corrupt millionaire socialist to rule America will be Al Gore, George W.
Bush, John McCain, or Bill Bradley.
Oh, is "socialist" too harsh? Just tell me which of these four candidates
stands opposed to graduated federal taxes on income, corporations, and
inheritances; and massive federal insurance programs for health care
("Medicare," "Medicaid") and old-age pensions ("Social Security.")
Calls for such programs made up the major platform planks of Norman
Thomas' 1932 Socialist Party, which even Franklin Roosevelt and his
Democrats savagely reviled at the time as "fantastic and un-American" --
even if they did promptly turn around and enact most of it, as soon as
they'd gotten themselves safely elected by promising "an immediate and
drastic reduction of governmental expenditures ... of not less than 25
percent ... by abolishing useless commissions and offices."
The only way to identify a non-socialist in American politics today is to
wait for the Washington Post, the New York Times, and everyone allowed to
appear on camera for CBS and NBC to shriek in unison that said candidate is
a "doctrinaire right-wing extremist" who only gets votes "as a protest" or
by "buying them."
These commentators quadrennially mew that the Iowa caucuses and New
Hampshire primary are a terrible place to start choosing our presidents,
complaining the demographics of these states are too white and too rural.
They especially object to the caucus process, in which only the votes of
those who are active in a political party, own cars, and are able to follow
a map to the caucus location, count.
What this objection really means, of course, is that the kind of folks
who dominate the New Hampshire (and particularly the Iowa) process are
politically knowledgeable Americans who work and pay taxes, speak English,
and may even once have read the U.S. Constitution.
Just look at how quickly these media poobahs assured you nothing
important happened in Iowa last Monday. When they don't mind flogging
hundreds of thousands of words about some 6-year-old Cuban immigrant found
floating in an inner tube, why the big rush to drop the curtain of silence
and "move on to New Hampshire" (and then quickly to states with even bigger
numbers, where the races are even more dependent on the media), assuring us
the Iowa caucuses are a dumb show that mean nothing, nothing at all?
Because Iowans this winter got a close look at two candidates whom the
national news media hope you'll never get to see. Other than Libertarians
(who are apparently all painted that special shade of blue which disappears
when placed in front of a TV camera), if one had to name the two candidates
active in the process today who would be most likely to completely
eliminate the personal income tax and the tyrannical, counterproductive War
on Drugs, those candidates would clearly be magazine publisher Steve
Forbes, and a black American and former ambassador named Alan Keyes.
And when all those taxpaying rural Republicans got together in Iowa
Monday night, only 40 percent of them voted for Texas Democrat (even Texas
Democrats say he's a Texas Democrat) George W. Bush -- the anointed,
big-money, "inevitable" candidate who was immediately declared the
"victor." Wasn't he?
While 44 percent of them voted for either Steve Forbes or Alan Keyes.
Didn't they?
But that wasn't worth a headline. Oh no. Because that might indicate
that, after 67 years of "New Deal," the yokels are starting to wake up.
So it's: Pay no attention to the little people behind the curtain.
They're not "diverse" enough. They're too "conservative." They're too
"white." They're too "rich."
They're too inconvenient.
Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas
Review-Journal. His new book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the
Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available at 1-800-244-2224.
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Fw: EU and another perspective (fwd)
Date: 31 Jan 2000 16:59:22 PST
On Jan 31, The McGehee Zone wrote:
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The last attempt at a European Super-State, designed by Adolf Hitler, was a
temple to genetic purity built on a graveyard -- naturally it collapsed under
sufficient pressure. It had risen partly in opposition to a fortress built on
mud, Stalin's Soviet Union.
I've always been of the opinion the European Union is an exercise in
self-delusion by Euro would-be empire builders -- soft socialists in the Cold
War West who consider it their destiny to take up the cause of world domination
by a European center of power. A castle, if you will, built on the
still-unstable ruins of other failed attempts at the same objective.
Failure may very well be inevitable for the EU as it was for the USSR and the
Third Reich, but both of those other opponents succeeded in putting the entire
world in danger as they sought to achieve their ambitions.
Kevin McGehee
Newnan, Georgia
mail@mcgeheezone.com
http://www.McGeheeZone.com/
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http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j013100.html
January 31, 2000
THE GLOBALIST CULTURE WAR
by Justin Raimondo
Rewriting the past as Orwell pointed out, a totalitarian regime must
invest heavily in this essential task. In Orwell's famous novel, 1984, the
regime of Big Brother openly proclaims the malleability of history in the
following slogan: "Who controls the past controls the future; who controls
the present controls the past." No one understands this better than the
propagandists of the European Union (EU), who are now embarked on a new
project, the founding of a "Museum of Europe." As a cultural monument, this
Museum is faced with an almost impossible task: to imbue the bloodless
soul-less diktaks of the Brussels bureaucracy with the aura and mystery of
an instant tradition, a faux "culture" conjured entirely out of thin air.
The result confirms my theory of humor: that the best of it is
unintentional. . . .
THE SOULLESS MONSTER
The Eurocrats are not unaware of their predicament: the Museum's mission
statement admits that most see the EU as a "cold, bureaucratic monster, a
soulless producer of administrative edicts." Ah, but this can be overcome,
they aver, by dressing up the Monster in different historical costumes, and
inventing a fake "history" of the "European idea." As the Museum's mission
statement puts it: "The European Union which is taking shape before our eyes
is not a recent invention born of politicians' whims but the product of a
long maturation of a time-honored idea as old as Europe itself." In opening
up the question of the history of the European idea, its political and
ideological antecedents, the Eurocrats are putting their cards on the
table cards that bear some pretty provocative symbols starting with the
swastika.
FASCISM AND
"THE EUROPEAN IDEA"
Ah yes, the "time-honored tradition" of pan-European integration. EU
propagandists have pointed to the postwar "pan-European" movement as having
grown out of the resistance to Hitlerism, but the reality is quite different
. Nazi propagandists were the first modern purveyors of European
continentalism a program forcibly implemented by Hitler's legions as they
overran a vast territory from Normandy to the Urals. The earliest purveyors
of Italian fascist and German ultra-nationalism latched on to the European
idea from the very start, organizing exhibitions and conferences eerily
similar to those now making their debut all across Europe under EU auspices.
As the New York Times reports, "Lack of consensus has not hindered the
proliferation of museum shows emphasizing" the new "Pan-European culture";
the Council of Europe is sponsoring a traveling exhibition, which is now on
tour. Reading this immediately brought to mind the photograph illustrating
the second chapter of John Laughland's remarkably learned and provocative
book, The Tainted Source: The Undemocratic Origins of the European Idea. It
is a photo that shows a photographic exhibition organized by the French
Waffen SS in Paris, 1944, entitled "The Waffen SS is fighting for Europe."
French collaborators, dressed in full Nazi regalia, schmooze with their
German conquerors, and the caption reads: "Just over a year later, it was
soldiers from the French Waffen SS division 'Charlemagne' who were to be
among the last to defend the Reichstag from Soviet attack."
CHARLEMAGNE'S GHOST
Speaking of Charlemagne, the first Holy Roman emperor has become the
Eurocratic icon of choice, a fitting symbol of their overarching ambition
but not without some opposition. A battle royale is breaking out among the
Eurocrats between Greek classicists and medievalists. Greece has taken
umbrage at the Museum directors over their concept of the European idea as
being rooted in the Middle Ages. Clearly, the Greeks assert, this is a
slight to the classical era: is not Greece the "cradle of democracy"? Well
that may be, reply the Museum's officials, such as scientific director Elie
Barnavi, but that is simply not good enough: the problem, reports the Times,
is that "Greek civilization failed to promote a larger European
consciousness . . . because it discriminated between citizens and
barbarians. Roman civilization featured a similar dichotomy," avers Barnavi,
and so cannot meet the EU's high standards of political correctness. And so
it is out with the first philosophers, the founders of the world's first
republics not only Aristotle but the original explicators of natural law
theory, the Stoics and in with the ninth century absolutism of Charlemagne
and rule by "divine right." Such are the political uses of history.
HEIL EUROPA?
The Orwellian character of the EU and its propaganda is eerie in the
extreme. On the one hand, the Nazis are held up as the ultimate symbol of
evil, and this is truer in Germany the geographic center of the Soulless
Monster than practically anywhere else on earth. Yet the "we are the wave
of the inevitable future" rhetoric employed by the advocates of a
EuroSuperState bears a striking resemblance to the prewar pronunciamentos of
Italian, French, and German fascists, who hailed the rise of "Europa." As
John Laughland puts it in The Tainted Source:
"Because the fascists believed that they were the harbingers of a New Order
(much fascist thought was overtly futuristic) they argued that the concept
of national sovereignty was simply out of date a view which is peddled
vigorously by pro-Europeans today. In Vichy France, the senior Vichyite
minister and admirer of Hitler, Jacques Benoist-Machin, who was a Secretary
of State in the Vichy government in charge of Franco-German relations from
June 1941 until September 1942, declared that France's policy of
collaboration required 'the abandonment of old illusions'. France would be
able to join the new Europe, he asserted, only when she abandons all
crumbling forms of nationalism which was itself in reality only an
anachronistic particularism and when she takes her place in the European
community with honour. . .'"
THE COURT HISTORIANS
As the Eurocrats go about their gigantic project of social engineering on a
continental scale, they are not content with the usual paraphernalia of
phony "nationhood": a flag, a currency, a symbol-embossed passport even a
national (or supranational) anthem. Now, that's one song virtually no one
can hum, let alone the lyrics, not even the Eurocrats themselves. But
perhaps their children will, and that is the goal of the pan-European
educational system now taking root. With Brussels overseeing the writing and
publication of textbooks that teach history from a "European" point of view,
the little Europeans of tomorrow will be spoon-fed and force-fed, if
necessary a version of history that legitimizes the EU kleptocracy.
Previous efforts to distribute an official EU history textbook were thwarted
by the troublesome Greeks, who objected to a volume by the French historian
Jean-Baptiste Duroselle on the grounds that the contribution of Hellenic
civilization was almost completely overlooked in the text.
STRANGLED IN THE CRADLE?
But the Eurocrats can afford to wait, or so they think. According to Peter
Ludlow, of Center for European Policy Studies, the official EU thinktank
headquartered in Brussels, we are in for a "sea change." They may not yet
know the words to the EU's anthem, but they'll know what a Euro is in 2002,
when they have to trade in their francs, marks, pounds, and what-have-you
for the spawn of the European central bankers. Yes, but will this be enough
to inspire the loyalty of millions? If the pure economism of the Eurocrats
is correct, then the answer is yes: if not, then the pockets of resistance
to the coming dictatorship of the acronyms are bound to expand. The British
Tories show signs of waking up to the danger, and in Austria, Greece, and
throughout the continent opposition to the Soulless Monster is mobilizing.
The Monster could be strangled in its cradle if we're lucky.
THE EUROPEAN THREAT
It strikes me as incredible that the growth of a single European Super-State
is seen as a benign development by our national leaders, while such marginal
despots as Slobodan Milsovic and Saddam Hussein loom large in the official
imagination as monsters of Satanic proportions. In their endless search for
overseas enemies, the interventionists of the Left and the Right have both
overlooked this obvious danger: the rise of a nuclear-armed European
Super-State, that sees itself as a great liberator of peoples, an Empire to
rival our own, with its own energizing ideology as well as a formidable
military force. The Republican wing of the War Party is railing at a third
world nation like China, whose standard of living and military is fifty
years behind the West, while the vast technological resources of Europe are
being mobilized in the service of a new and burgeoning Brussels-based Power.
THE ENEMY THEY OVERLOOKED
The same Times piece reports that a soon-to-be-published volume put out by a
pro-EU thinktank opines that the geographic reality and reach of the
European Idea is elastic, apparently infinitely so. According to Professor
Heinrich Schneider, of the University of Vienna: "How far Europe will reach
tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, or in the next century and later,
cannot be looked up in a historical atlas of the Antique, the Middle Ages,
of the 20th century, or of the cold war period." This has an unmistakably
messianic ring to it, an idea that seems inherently aggressive and
expansionist. As the engine of European socialism, extending the rule of the
Third Way into Eastern and Southern Europe, including even Turkey, the EU
seems much more of a potential challenge to American interests and
"hegemony" than either Russian or China, or even both combined. Yet never do
we hear a peep out of the War Party, either wing of it, on this question:
this is the one enemy they have apparently overlooked.
REVISIONIST HISTORY
The smashing of old icons, and the creation of new gods and new heroes, this
is the process of European cultural integration in action a sinister
ritual that bears a remarkable resemblance to what is going on in the US.
We, too, face the purgation of old, politically "incorrect" symbols the
Confederate flag, the "Indian" sports franchises, the slave-owning
Founders and the enthronement of new gods and heroes: Jefferson is out,
Saint Martin Luther King is in, and our children are taught that the
Founders of this country were white male heterosexual sadists, who did not
merely colonize but enslaved a continent, murdering and raping their way
from sea to shining sea. It is not only the textbooks of Europe, but also
our own that have been rewritten to fit the same multi-culturalist
anti-particularist agenda.
A WARNING
The announcement that the EU intends to raise its own army is a warning to
the last independent pockets of resistance, such as Serbia, that continue to
defy the Euro-lords. The European integrationists attach a lot of importance
to their very first war, in which the declared enemy was the idea of
sovereignty, and the nationalistic Serbs were given the honor of being
singled out for subjugation and humiliation. But Milosevic fought them to a
standstill, and stood up for the idea of national sovereignty against these
would be Holy Roman emperors. The issue remains dangerously unresolved, and
with plenty of potential to drag the United States into yet another European
conflict. In the civilizational struggle between Western Europe and the
Orthodox East, the US and the EU are lined up against the Slavs and anyone
else who dares challenge Western global hegemony.
NEITHER HOLY NOR ROMAN
The crusade to export MTV, Democracy, and the cultural hegemony of Hollywood
to the four corners of the earth is, for some, a holy crusade, albeit a
purely secular one. In spite of the Eurocrats' pathetic pretensions, and
their highly dubious claim to represent the imperial legacy of Charlemagne,
this rising Euro-imperialism is neither Holy nor Roman. It isn't even a
proper Empire, as it has no Emperor, nor even a sense of its own majesty
only faceless bureaucrats who thrive on anonymity. There is indeed something
distinctly unholy about this international crusade against the idea of
national sovereignty, and the rise of regionalism, and "the European idea,"
straight out of Nazi and fascist propaganda of the 1930s even as
nationalists, such as the Freedom Party of Austria, are denounced as
"neo-Nazis" for their opposition to the dictatorship of Brussels and the
liquidation of national identity and history in the face of the pan-European
cultural blitzkrieg.
THE STRUGGLE FOR THE WORLD
On every front, from Europe to Latin America, from the Middle East to the
Straits of Taiwan, the great struggle in the world comes down to two forces,
two great antagonists locked in mortal combat: the emerging world state
versus the rest of mankind. At the center is he metropolitan megalopolis,
North America, Great Britain, and Western Europe, with the second tier the
former colonies of Great Britain and the emerging nations of Eastern Europe.
Extending its reach into the Ukraine and the Baltics, and through Turkey
into the Caucasus, the great Acronymic Alliance of the EU and the US is now
making its bid for world hegemony, with the prize being the fantastic oil
wealth to be found in the Caspian Sea region. It is a vision that combines
the megalomania of Alexander, the hubris of Napoleon and a Hitlerian sense
of messianic inevitability.
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An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ
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