From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: NEWS - UK gun law failure (fwd) Date: 31 May 2000 23:38:04 PST On May 31, Bob Mueller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Bob Mueller Legalize Freedom RKBA! Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 8:24 PM > World Forum on the Future of Sport Shooting - Mailing list > _________________________________________________ > > Four Years After the Dunblane Massacre, Britain's Tighter Gun Laws Have > Failed Completely. > > Punch (UK) > 16 May, 2000 > By Peter Woolrich > > Britain's gun control laws, introduced after the Dunblane massacre in > 1996, have proven to be a disaster. There are now an estimated three > million illegal firearms in the UK, perhaps double the number of four > years ago, and the only effect the knee-jerk political reaction that led > to the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 has had is to shut down legitimate > gun clubs. > > Fears that Britain is on the way to adopting a US-style gun culture are > now a reality "We look to Los Angeles for the language we use," > Morrissey once sang, but it was never envisaged that "drive-by shooting" > and "Big Mac" (the Mac 10 sub-machine gun, which fires 20 rounds a > second) would become as much a part of the vocabulary of street-wise > teenagers in Merseyside, Glasgow and London as hamburger and fries. > > Some believe the three million figure, collated by Home Affairs > Committee researchers working on a recent parliamentary report into the > gun trade. > > Either way, vast stockpiles of weapons have fuelled a spate of shootings > in Britain's cities, including Manchester where a 17-year-old was > recently killed. > > The new research suggests that in some areas a third of young criminals, > classed as those aged 15 to 25 with convictions, own or have access to > guns ranging from Beretta sub-machine guns to Luger pistols, which > change hands on street corners and in pubs for as little as £150. > > "There is a move from the pistol and shotgun to automatic weapons," says > Detective Superintendent Keith Hudson of the National Crime Squad. "We > are recovering weapons that are relatively new - and sometimes still in > their boxes - from eastern European countries." In London there were > more than 20 fatal shootings last year allegedly linked with the > Yardies, gangsters who have their roots in Jamaica, compared with nine > killings in 1998. In one, Andy Balfour, 32, was shot eight times with a > Mac 10, and last summer BBC hip-hop disc jockey Tim Westwood was shot by > a man on a motorbike who opened fire as he drove home from a gig in > Kennington, south London. > > Last month, Gabriel Egharevba, 17, was also shot by a man on a > motorcycle in > Longsight, Manchester, the eighth fatal shooting in the city in seven > months. The previous year, two teenagers aged 14 and 17 were gunned down > inthe same area by a gang with automatic machine guns. > > Police say that modern weapons are fast becoming fashion accessories, > along with trainers and jewellery, among young drug dealers protecting > themselves and their territory. Unarmed officers now find themselves > being confronted by youngsters on mountain bikes brandishing automatic > guns. > > In Birmingham there have been about 100 crimes a month involving > firearms since last March, compared with 88 a month in the year ending > April 1998. > > Two men were shot dead in the city in separate incidents at Christmas. > > The government declared an amnesty on guns after Thomas Hamilton shot > dead > 16 children and a teacher in Dunblane, resulting in 162,000 weapons > being handed in, but this has failed to make even a dent in the > underworld's supply of pistols and revolvers. A steady flow continues > to come in from former Eastern bloc countries, but criminals have now > found an even cheaper and safer source of weaponry. > > "Factories" up and down the country are churning out decommissioned > guns, often stolen from private collectors and sold at trade fairs and > through the classified ads of specialist magazines, that have been > reactivated by re-boring the barrels and replacing the firing pin. > > Another growing source of illegal guns are "cloning" or "off-ticket > sale" dealers, who operate in a similar way to car ringers. Stolen > firearms disappear by being given the identity of an older > decommissioned weapon, details of which don't have to be recorded under > present laws. Last year, ex-Special Constable Tony Mitchell was jailed > for eight years for supplying criminals with hundreds of guns - he > specialised in Mac 10s at L1,100 apiece. He used his engineering skills > to convert the guns from > deactivated products bought via mail order catalogues. One was traced to > a 1997 > street murder in Brixton and another shooting of a police officer by a > youth in > Manchester's Moss Side. In all, police linked guns supplied by Mitchell > to > 130 crime scenes. > > As an indication of how Mitchell and other dealers feel they can operate > with impunity in Britain, he continued his activities even after a > police raid that saw him arrested and released when no guns were found. > > Detective Constable Cliff Purvis of the National Crime Squad said: "Some > of the weapons which bore Mitchell's 'signature' mark have been used in > killings and to fire at police. > > "I'm sure he was one of the major contributors to illegal firearms in > this country He was a big fish. There's no question of that." A big fish > or not, Mitchell's shoes were very quickly filled in what is thought to > be a multi-million pound black market industry. Opponents of the handgun > ban, introduced after Dunblane, claim it has failed to cut gun crime > because of the multiple sources of weapons available to criminals. > > Home Office figures soon to be released will show that, overall, armed > crime rose 10 per cent in 1998. There were 13,671 armed offences > compared with 12,410 the previous year. Firearms experts have long > called for more research to assess the accurate flow of illegal weapons > and, although attempts are being made by the Home Affairs Committee, it > remains to be seen if the government will act upon its recommendations. > It is a relatively simple measure to clamp down on identifiable gun > clubs and collectors, but another to penetrate the underworld. > > Bill Harriman, a member of the Firearms Consultative Committee and a > spokesman for the British Association for Shooting and Conservation, > says that current legislation focuses on law-abiding citizens who belong > to gun clubs. "It should," he says, "have been directed at illegally > held firearms." Even though pistols were banned under the Dunblane > regulations, they are still the weapon of choice for armed criminals and > were used in 1,854 of the 3,029 armed robberies in England and Wales in > 1997. > > The government had plenty of evidence at its disposal to realise that > simply > banning certain types of weapons is ineffective. For example, > fully-automatics have been prohibited since 1937 but it has not stopped > criminals using them. > > Harrirnan believes that, far from being discouraged from using guns, > criminals, as well as people with no criminal record, are becoming more > trigger-happy. > > "Firearms are now being used to settle minor disputes," he comments. > > "There's an argument in the pub and it's settled in the car park with a > bullet, or someone keeps a pistol in the glove compartment of his car > and uses it in a fit of road rage. > > "The Dunblane legislation should have been directed at stopping this > attitude and taking handguns out of the grasp of, criminals. If the L95 > million paid in compensation to former pistol owners had been used to > target armed robbers, something fundamental could have been done to end > gun culture." Harriman's view is supported by a large number of police > officers who privately say that the 1997 legislation is a nonsense, but > are afraid to speak publicly for fear of offending their political > masters. One exception is Superintendent Nigel Sutcliffe of West > Yorkshire, who says in a submission put before the HomFrom: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: If Gunowners were treated like other minorities (fwd) Date: 31 May 2000 23:37:01 PST On May 31, David W Shuee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] If Gunowners Were Treated Like Other Minorities By Emily X - Posted: 05.29.00 Ron Miller's article "If Guns Were Treated Like Cars" inspired the following list. IF GUNOWNERS WERE TREATED LIKE OTHER MINORITIES 1. Gunowners would be able to freely express their ideas, and anyone who disagreed would be shunned as a pathetic unthinking hoplophobe. 2. If a gunowner had to defend herself by displaying or using a handgun, bleeding-heart liberals would defend the right to do so because she's part of the 45% minority of people who own guns. 3. A quarter of the tax burden of the federal government would be dedicated to subsidizing ownership and use. The federal government would implement special programs where less affluent gunowners could take "gun stamps" to sporting goods stores and redeem them for ammunition. 4. A gunowner could carry any gun across state lines and not have any state's laws apply to you because federal anti-discrimination law trumps state laws. And of course, the federal government would not limit what kind of gun anyone could buy, because would be violate federal laws against discrimination based on religious belief. 5. There would be "tolerance" commercials on television, pleading with non-owners "can't we all just get along?" 6. Really poor gunowners could get additional gun stamps to pay for better weapons. Since nobody should have an inferior education, shooting classes would be available at no cost that would teach the historical and ethnic values of gunownership. 7. Housing anti-discrimination laws would be enforced against hoplophobic landlords. 8. Stores which didn't allow gunowners to walk in with their sidearms would be sued for discrimination. Local newspapers and religious groups would call for boycotts. Anyone opposed to discrimination would engage in sit-down strikes against the offending establishment. 9. The BATF would become the BAT, to avoid being dissolved altogether in light of their blatant persecution of minorities. 10. Newspapers would report on gun shows in the same manner as they cover other ethnic festivals. 11. If the price of ammunition rose 20%, Dianne Feinstein would threaten to investigate those who were "gouging" a protected and culturally valuable group. 12. Gunsmithing would be part of ethnic heritage classes. 13. Children of gunowners would be initiated at an early age into not only the safe use of guns, but would be instilled with a sense of pride stemming from their family's heritage. 14. High schools would hold shooting classes and matches to encourage the gunowning students to express themselves and fulfill their potential. 15. Young children of gunowners would go to "Head Start" classes, where they would be taught to shoot at an early age. 16. "Special-education" teachers would be present in schools to help less adept gunowning children improve their shooting skills. 17. Schools would then require non-owning classmates to attend shooting competitions so that they could learn to respect other students' "uniqueness" and "diversity." 18. Large numbers of "Old Gunowner's Homes" would be set up. Wheelchair accessible shooting booths would be an integral part of the facilities. 19. Congress would pass a resolution declaring July 4 "National Gunowner Appreciation Day." 20. Non-gunowners would be encouraged to shoot and to teach their children to shoot so that they could fully appreciate the gunowner's experience. 21. There'd be organizations like MASH: Mothers Against Stupid Hoplophobes (instead of HCI). MASH would conduct a campaign of public education aimed at promoting gun ownership among non-gunowners, helping them overcome their fears about self-defense and personal sovereignty. Organizations like HCI would be mentioned in the same breath as the Klan. 22. Television commercials for airlines would picture happy gunowners getting on board with their sidearms. 23. TV stations would run commercials from the Amnesty International featuring prisoners in totalitarian countries who were thrown in prison for owning a gun. AI would encourage people to write en masse to officials in that country complaining about the grossly unfair treatment. 24. Environmentalists wouldn't say anything about gunsmoke, for fear of being labeled discriminatory, which of course would be terribly politically incorrect. 25. The INS would have to give foreign gunowners preference for immigration. Foreign gunowners who were in the country illegally would be given citizenship under special programs. 26. Charged with brutal discrimination, Chuck Schumer would finally have to admit that his political philosophy is closest to that of Dr. Mengele. He would then be voted out of the Senate by horrified constituents. Hillary Clinton would do an about-face and apologize for all of the ill treatment endured by gunowners under her husband's administration. She would then be filmed entering a gun store and purchasing a nice little number from a manufacturer that hasn't caved into the federal government. 27. Public clinics would be established for treating trigger-finger calluses and kickback trauma. 28. Every June, there would be a "Gunowner Pride Day" march in San Francisco, and friends and relatives of gunowners would "come out" to show support. 29. The President would sign an executive order designating April as "Gun History Month." Public and school events would be held to commemorate all the heroic deeds of gunowners. Pancake breakfasts would be held by church and community organizations to honor long-time gunowners. 30. Fashion magazines would review the latest in holster styles, and fashion designers would color coordinate holsters with evening wear. Parisian shows would present the most outrageous styles on stick-thin models, and Gucci would sell a e Affairs > Committee: "It is clear that the > bans introduced in the Firearms (Amendment) Act in respect of handguns > have > not worked, in that for the first six months of 1999, 59 handguns have > been used > in West Yorkshire. > > "Clearly, these handguns could not be lawfully possessed and, therefore, > must have been illegally imported into the country or already be in the > unlawful possession of someone. > > "These facts tend to support those shooting organisations who were > opposing > the ban of handguns... in that handguns in the lawful possession of > these involved target shooting were rarely used in criminal activity." > However, the gun used at Dunblane was legally held by Hamilton, a gun > club member. > > As well as eastern Europe, America is also a foreign source of illegal > weapons. > > British security services recently revealed that weapons bought at > Florida gun shows and posted to the UK had been intercepted in north > London and Manchester. > > MI6 has no idea how many packages have already got through, but are > aware > of larger consignments being brought across the Atlantic by private > yachts and > dropped into the sea off the Kent coast. The bundles are fitted ith > remote-controlled flotation tanks and beacons, the signals from which > can be picked up by global positioning systems. > > One effect the handgun ban does seem to have had is to lead to a > shortage of > ammunition, which means that the illegal armouries make even more money > by > supplying that as well. > > Perversely, the law actually assists criminals in building their own > ammunition because a loophole does not make it an offence to own or even > to have the component parts sent through the post. Anyone can buy > primers, cases, propellant and bullets (the missile) without any form of > certification. The gun only needs to be registered once the pieces are > put together to form a whole. > > In written evidence to the Home Affairs Committee the Police Federation > has > pointed out the "laxity" of the Dunblane legislation in not dealing with > ammunition, as well as a number of other "inconsistencies". > > It says: "The time is now right for parliament to address the entire > issue and produce a completely new Firearms Act. Any lesser step will be > insufficient." The Police Federation is demanding that anomalies such as > someone being legally permitted to own a shotgun while being deemed > unfit to possess a firearm, as happened at Cardiff Crown Court in April > last year, must be changed. > > It's a question of whether the government has the bottle to enact > something > more effective than the cosmetic exercise it undertook last time. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - $6,000 holster that even non-gunowners would buy as a status symbol. 31. 60 Minutes would run an expose about how dry-cleaners charge more for cleaning gunpowder stains than for other kinds of stains. 32. Equal opportunity employers would hire M/F/H/G. They would set a quota whereby at least 45% of their employees were gunowners and, to increase workplace safety, all employees would be encouraged to bring their guns to work. The "100 Best Employers" would all have ranges on their campuses that employees could use for free during breaks and after work. 33. Colleges would all set up student gun clubs, which would receive protected status under the college's anti-discrimination policy. Any colleges refusing to do so would be denied federal funds under Title IX. 34. Hundreds of gunowner-owned and operated radio stations would spring up around the country, offering appropriate programming. The FCC would actively facilitate and promote such minority ownership. 35. One night a week would be dedicated by both the FOX and UPN networks to shows catering to gunowners. Commercial time would cost more due to the audience size and relatively high affluence. Taurus would promote its titanium handgun, Browning would hawk the merits of BARs, and Federal would try to persuade people to spend big bucks on their ammunition. 36. Gunowner movies would become part of the pop culture. "The Rifleman" and "Paladin" would be shown on TNT every three months. Academy awards would go to "A Blazin' in the Sun"--a story about the travails of range practice in Texas during the month of August. 37. Jane Fonda would star in a weepy, sensitive movie about a gunowner who experienced discrimination from her hoplophobic neighbors, but through strength of character, managed to rise above it, and in the meantime convince her neighbors to become gunowners as well. 38. The Oakland, California, school board would vote to teach hoplophonics as part of the curriculum. 39. Congress would pass a law giving gun stores the same legal protection against "hate crime" that churches have. 40. Newspapers would report assemblies by anti-gunowner groups in the 9th page of the third section, next to articles about KKK gatherings. 41. City governments would establish programs like "Midnight Target Practice" to keep wayward youth off the street. 42. Charitable organizations would set up centers with attached indoor ranges for homeless and/or veteran gunowners. Each winter, newspapers would run stories about how there are too few guns at the facilities for the desperate gunowners wanting to get in from the cold. 43. People who are opposed to discrimination would applaud whenever a city elected a gunowning mayor. 44. Bob Dylan would write protest songs about the hardships of gunowners. 45. Preachers would lead crowds of assault weapons owners on a civil liberties march from Los Angeles to San Francisco. Janet Reno would feel compelled to call out the National Guard to protect the marchers from frightened hoplophobes. 46. Large sums of money would be awarded to researchers studying mixed marriages between gunowners and non-gunowners. Even more money would be awarded to programs that promise that their children would be proud of their gunowning parent's heritage. 47. Al Gore would claim that although he was once anti-gunowner 20 years ago, he has changed his mind and is now firmly in the gunowner camp. 48. Lisa Simpson would sympathize with the plight of the "oppressed minority" and buy a spiffy AK Shorty to show solidarity. She would give an appropriately long and boring (to her brother Bart, anyway) speech about why it's the ethically right thing to do. 49. President Clinton would "feel your pain" and propose hundreds of billions of tax dollars be used in programs to end discrimination against gunowners once and for all. 50. GOA, SAS and JPFO representatives would be invited to White House dinners as often as the NAACP officials. 51. Banks, in an effort to avoid charges of "redlining," would set aside significant percentages of loans just for gunowners hoping to buy or upgrade their guns. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick J. Fields" Subject: Re: Who Elected Him? (fwd) Date: 30 May 2000 23:34:50 -0400 Lew, I'm with you 110%. We're saddled with a national socialist government that is the legacy of Herr Roosevelt (pronounced ruse-a veldt or literally steal a land) who, along with most 'progressive leaders' of the early thirties, glorified Hitler's German miracle' until Der Furer gave them all the finger and demanded world subjugation to his 'master race'. The 'Clintonista Regime' and the 'Family Bush Aristocracy' are just salt and pepper in the same pot of stew. Either condiment stings like hell when applied to the gaping wound that's been slashed into our poor bleeding Constitution by the traitors in Congress who've been swearing allegiance to the string of thieving, lying, ruthless excuses for presidents occupying the White House since 1933. Republicrats! One as terribly bad as the other. America needs a clean sweep! Take a broom to the polls this Fall and vote for alternative candidates wherever they're permitted on the ballot and leave the rest untouched lest you become infected with their withering disease. You're correct Lew -- every scoop of dirt they heap on our Constitution, the easier I find it is to convert the fence sitters. Nixon called them the 'silent majority'. Nearly 60% of The People are so disgusted they've thrown up their hands. Just a little more outrageous 'administrative initiative' and they'll be ready to raise up their arms -- but not in surrender as the politicians smugly fool themselves into believing. Nearly every cop I've talked to are ready and every enlisted man as well. Are 'they' ever going to be shocked then the crap finally hits the fan (I suspect, some actually will be!). Pat Fields Philadelphia, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, uSA packfields@worldnet.att.net All Constitutional Rights Reserved, Without Prejudice, UCC 1-207 PS: We are free, ONLY if We choose to be. pps: The original 13th Amendment is Law -----Original Message----- > >This is the same, tired "best-of-two-evils" argument. > >Until there is a consistent 5% vote for Freedom, neither party has any >reason to change. When the Libertarians, for instance, have the balance of >victory in any given race, the two major-party candidates will have the >incentive to try to attract these votes. They can't do it by being "big >gov" candidates. > >The Socialists never had more than 5% of the national vote. They never >elected more than 20 members of Congress. Republicans are now more >socialistic than the Socialists ever were. > >Every year, people hold their nose and vote for the least-bad major party >candidates. Every year, we find we have lost more freedom, Constitutional >gov is further devalued, fewer people understand our history, more think the >current situation is 'normal'. > >Those trends are what is important -- having Al Gore as president will speed >up these trends, Bush will slow them down. The trends will continue. > >There is a positive side: radicals produce radicals. Clinton sold more >guns than anyone since Hitler because of his radical anti-gun stance. An >increasing minority of people are concerned about the state of >Constitutional government because of his blatant criminality. Gore will >increase these trends faster than Bush. > >Lew > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-roc@lists.xmission.com >> [mailto:owner-roc@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Vance >> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 8:57 PM >> To: roc%xmission.com@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Who Elected Him? (fwd) >> >> >> On May 29, Roger W. Ek wrote: >> >> [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows >> --------------------] >> >> >Well Susan....the women put Clinton in and kept him there. I feel inulted >> >and outraged about that. No amount of proof of his raping and >> abusing women, >> >his treason, infidelity, etc. could wake up the liberal NOW >> crowd and vast >> >majority of women to vote against that slime bag. If the truth >> offends you, >> >that's really tough!! >> >> Clinton was elected by 24% of America's eligible voters - twice! >> That's all, just 24%. How is this possible? Over half of our eligible >> voters just stayed home. We didn't have much of a choice. Clinton and >> Bush both favored NAFTA, GATT, MAI, IMF, the World Bank, the Federal >> Reserve, open borders, MFN for Red China, bigger government, higher >> taxes and less freedom. >> >> Despite the limited choice we had, we did have the opportunity to >> throw the bum out and let that chance go. Our choices this year are >> very similar. Gore and Bush both favor (guess what) NAFTA, GATT, MAI, >> IMF, the World Bank, the Federal Reserve, open borders, MFN for Red >> China, bigger government, higher taxes and less freedom. >> >> They seem to be alike, but there are subtle differences. Gore would >> try to take all our guns. Bush would only try to take some. Gore >> would try to create wilderness and drive people off their land. Bush >> only wants "limited" increases government land. >> >> The fringe candidates will attract only a few percentage points. No >> fringe candidate will carry even one state. Al Gore will get that >> same dedicated 24% of America's vote that Clinton did. If we don't >> swallow the bitter medicine and get out and vote for Bush, Gore will >> be the next president. After 8 years of Gore Hillary will be in for 8 >> years and by then Chelsea will be old enough. Think about it friends. >> >> >> ======================================================================== >> ///, //// >> \ /, / >./ For those that have >> fought for it, >> \ /, _/ /. Freedom has a flavor >> the protected >> \_ /_/ /. will never know. >> \__/_ < >> /<<< \_\_ Roger W. Ek >> /,)^>>_._ \ >> (/ \\ /\\\ Candidate for Maine >> Senate, District 3 >> // ```` >> ENOUGH ((` is ENOUGH mequest@telplus.net >> http://www.glprl.org/TOG/ >> >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message >> ------------------------] >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---------- >> RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** >> RKBA! >> ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- >> ---------- >> An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >> weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >> hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >> on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | >> sword.--Jesus Christ >> ----------------+----------+--------------------------+----------- >> ---------- >> >> Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Marin Co. Judicial Recall: "Storming the Bastille"] (fwd) Date: 01 Jun 2000 10:19:47 PST On Jun 01, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Now if we can organize recall drives for corruption and abuse of power generally, especially for violations of constitutions... ------Begin forwarded message------ Marin Co. Judicial Recall - "Storming The Bastille" By Guy Ashley A few weeks ago, Jean Taylor of San Rafael wondered woefully whether a report recommending an overhaul of Marin's family court system was headed for the dusty bookshelf of history. Now she's concerned the report by New York investigator Karen Winner - which Taylor and about a dozen other citizens commissioned by contributing up to $10,000 from their own pockets - has spawned a monster. What was intended as a well-considered look at perceived family court injustices - primarily child custody matters - has exploded into a recall movement that has enveloped Marin's chief prosecutor and three judges. Taylor isn't the only one worried that the effort to raise awareness about local family court decisions is being obscured by a runaway movement led by a Sausalito minister and perennial political candidate and a mother from Novato who sued every judge in Sonoma County before bringing her wrath down on jurists in Marin. "It's like a shooting gallery," said Martin Silverman of San Rafael, a former county grand juror who helped finance Winner's report. "They're going after everybody." Taylor, Silverman and others who paid for the report and its call for family court reforms have watched with wonder, and some trepidation, as protesters held noisy Wednesday afternoon demonstrations and took out petitions seeking to recall District Attorney Paula Kamena and Superior Court judges Michael Dufficy, Lynn Duryee and Terrence Boren. "Once Karen Winner's report was aired, all these people who harbored all these frustrations for so long thought, 'the cat's out of the bag,' " said Taylor, who has lived in San Rafael for 40 years. "Now they're going for blood." Taylor and Silverman said they don't support the recall efforts and are frustrated by a public perception that they're behind the signature drive. "We want to divorce ourselves from those people," Taylor said. At the center of the recall drive is Peter Romanowsky, a father of three who says he "walked away" from a child custody dispute with his ex-wife and hasn't seen his children in more than three years. Romanowsky is a marine salvage specialist who has made unsuccessful bids for election to the state Senate and the boards of the Sausalito School District and Marin Healthcare District. He leads regular protests outside the Marin Civic Center that he says are getting the word out that things need fixing in the county courts. "One police officer told me that I was going to lose all my credibility, going after so many judges," he wrote in one of the voluminous e-mails he has been sending recall watchers. "Some people think we have bitten off more than we can chew, but it's just not so. "We are storming the Bastille." .... Recall organizers face the formidable task of convincing about 13,000 registered Marin voters to sign their petitions calling for recall elections. A spokeswoman with the Marin Registrar of Voters said the petitions have yet to be certified because of wording that needs to be added or omitted from draft petitions submitted by recall leaders. One political consultant who steered two successful recall campaigns in Marin said the courthouse recall movement stands a chance - if the signature gatherers are willing to put ample time and money into their efforts. Mark O'Hara, who guided successful recalls involving the Marin Healthcare District and Sausalito school board, said he believes the courthouse critics include some well-financed individuals, at least one of whom already spent several hundred thousand dollars in fighting a child custody battle. "If someone like that is willing to spend that kind of money on a recall, a lot of damage could be done," he said. Although he is not involved in the recall, O'Hara said an effective campaign would direct its money toward gathering signatures and running a "thorough and persistent media campaign" to keep controversy in the minds of voters. O'Hara said the recall campaign's greatest hope of success appeared to be with Dufficy, an embattled jurist who was a primary target in Winner's report and about whom rumblings of dissension have been heard at the courthouse for at least three years. In 1997, the county Civil Grand Jury was asked to investigate rulings by Dufficy and Court Commissioner Sylvia Shapiro in family law cases. Silverman, then chairman of the grand jury's law and justice committee, said the panel voted 19-0 to launch an investigation, only to be told by County Counsel Patrick Faulkner that the panel did not have jurisdiction to investigate. Silverman said he remained concerned about Marin's family court after he left the grand jury, and later joined forces with other citizens who found the court's operations scandalous. The group determined that only wider public knowledge would spur change and began discussing how to shed light on happenings in family court. Ironically, Silverman said, the group rejected the notion of a recall because it believed gathering the required signatures would be next to impossible if the public was not adequately informed. Instead, the group went to Winner, author of the 1996 book, "Divorced from Justice," in hopes she could help bring more public attention to the family court controversy. Silverman has since run into his own problems with Kamena's office, which earlier this month revealed it was investigating whether he breached his oath to keep grand jury matters confidential by revealing publicly that the complaints that prompted the report originated with the grand jury. Winner's report says Dufficy lined the pockets of friends by appointing them to child-custody cases as lawyers and psychological experts. He denies the charge, noting that court-appointed attorneys and psychological experts often are paid at rates so low that many in these professions don't want the work. Winner says she spent three months putting together the report. She cited nine cases in her report that had been presented to her at the outset by people who approached her about doing the investigation and felt they had been wronged by the court. The report also accuses Dufficy of keeping "secret financial ties" to local law firms, primarily by hearing cases involving Marin attorneys from offices where his wife worked as a legal secretary. Dufficy said he obtained a verbal opinion from the state Judicial Council that allowed him to hear such cases and that he has informed litigants of his wife's status anyway. Dufficy said he is being wrongly vilified. In an interview, he said his biggest transgression might have been his decision to stay at the helm of the county's family law bench for seven years. "Unlike the other courts in this building, there is no jury. The judge makes all the decisions in family court," he said. "Over seven years, you build up a critical mass of people who are angry at you because they disagree with your rulings." Dufficy, who said he now believes judges should serve in family court no more than two or three years, has announced his intention to leave the family law bench immediately. The stress caused by the flood of criticism, he said, has led to health problems he needs to correct. Marin's legal establishment appears to be standing squarely behind Dufficy and the others. "It's astounding they're taking this route," said Royda Crosland, a Mill Valley attorney who is president of the Marin County Bar Association. "If these people want to voice criticism in a constructive way, in a way that will be heard by the judges, they have taken the ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [newsucanuse] VIN-- teacher mortgage discounts (fwd) Date: 01 Jun 2000 10:17:36 PST On Jun 1, SlickEditor@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Mortgage discounts for the new aristocracy? "In the past, it's been a buyer's market, but we began to feel the pinch last year," explains George Ann Rice, assistant superintendent for human resources at the Clark County School District. Las Vegas public schools hire 70 percent of their 1,800 new teachers from out of state each year, and suddenly -- instead of pleading for a job, any job -- applicants have begun to ask about signing bonuses, moving allowances, and help in paying off student loans, Ms. Rice explains. That's because other states have begun to pay moving costs. Some offer signing bonuses of $5,000 or more. Los Angeles now offers starting teachers $37,000 a year (compared to Clark County's $26,800), and California's governor has even started to talk about a state income tax exemption for teachers. Clark County offers no such incentives (though, in fairness, low-cost Nevada doesn't have a state income tax, either.) All these reasons were cited as the state Housing Division briefed Nevada Gov. Kenny Guinn and other members of the state Board of Finance last week on the idea of selling $20 million to $30 million worth of taxable bonds in order to offer home loans to teachers at lower-than-market rates. Under one version of the plan, the state Housing Division would offer mortgage loans to teachers at 2 percentage points below the market rate for the first few years of the loan, after which the rate would climb to about half a percentage point below the market -- an incentive which could be worth tens of thousands of dollars over the life of the mortgage, depending on purchase price. "Since the state does not have the taxpayer funds to offer incentives to teachers, we have to look at other alternatives," explained Lon DeWeese, chief financial officer for the Housing Division. But in fact, while they may appear cheaper at first glance, such schemes have their dangers. Few object to Uncle Sam offering free or low-cost food, housing, and medical care to armed forces personnel. But how far can we take this before the populace begins to begrudge the new, preferred status of even run-of-the-mill government employees? Given that no one has ever heard of a college student dropping out of the School of Ed to choose the easier path of aeronautical engineering, are government school teachers really "underpaid?" The Nevada state Department of Education reports that for the 1998-99 school year, the average teacher's pay in Nevada was $40,542 before benefits. But because teachers work only 184 days a year in Clark County (for example), as compared to the national average 235-day work year for non-teachers, the relevant U.S. Department of Labor formula translates that to $29.54 per hour, or an annual rate before benefits of $61,443. (Teachers get a three-month summer break during which they're free to take advanced classes in order to climb the salary scale. Or, they can earn extra cash by teaching summer school, tutoring, or taking a non-education job -- opportunities grabbed up by 17 percent, 5 percent, and 10 percent of teachers, respectively, according to the Nevada Policy Research Institute.) But then, "For every dollar spent on teacher salaries in Nevada, another 27.3 cents is spent on teacher benefits," reports NPRI President Judy Cresanta in her cover story in the latest edition of the Reno think tank's "Nevada Journal" magazine, "Brother, Can You Paradigm?" "When NPRI senior research fellow Mary Novello surveyed all 17 Nevada counties and the state, she found that teacher benefits average $11,165 for each school year -- bringing total average teacher compensation per school year to $51,707," Ms. Cresanta reports. Annualized, "That total annual salary-benefit package ends up exceeding $78,364!" Pity the starving schoolmarms. And once the otherwise useless state "Housing Division" is given a permanent new sinecure administering this "Teachers Low-Interest Home Loan Program," shall we next erect commissaries where our new aristocracy can buy better food than the common folk, at lower prices? Before we go down this road, we might first ask whether there really is a teacher shortage -- not just an artificial shortfall caused by an insistence on arbitrary "pedagogy credentials" -- and whether any such shortage might not be caused in large part by the number of trained teachers who leave the field each year, due to the current absurd reluctance to flunk those who do not master their required skills, as well the effective ban on expelling morons and troublemakers -- turning this once rewarding profession into the equivalent of lion-taming without the whip and chair. Another approach would be to end the government monopoly over schooling, forgiving parents their school taxes and urging them to use the money to develop competing, private schools. If, in the meantime, the government youth camps do need to offer more incentives to recruit enough wardens, surely the best way to do that would be to free up more actual cash by thinning the ranks of mid-level administrators (who will soon outnumber teachers, if present trends continue) -- not to expand other state bureaucracies in order to provide ever more numerous incentives under the table, where the true cost grows increasingly harder for the taxpayers to measure. Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. His book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available by dialing 1-800-244-2224; or via web site http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com "The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John Hay, 1872 "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken * * * To subscribe, send a message to vinsends-request@ezlink.com, from your NEW address, including the word "subscribe" (with no quotation marks) in the "Subject" line. All I ask of electronic subscribers is that they not RE-forward my columns until on or after the embargo date which appears at the top of each, and that (should they then choose to do so) they copy the columns in their entirety, preserving the original attribution. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Ruler's Law (fwd) Date: 01 Jun 2000 10:18:24 PST On Jun 1, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Ruler's Law can be found in Dr. W. Cleon Skousen's book "The 5,000 Year Leap. - If you would like a copy of this book, I can obtain it for you. You can call me at (702) 649-6808 RULER'S LAW The Founders seemed anxious that modern man recognize the subversive characteristics of oppressive Ruler's Law which they identified primarily with a tyrannical monarchy. Here are its basic characteristics: 1. Authority under Ruler's Law is nearly always established by force, violence, and conquest. 2. Therefore, all sovereign power is considered to be in the conqueror or his descendants. 3. The people are not equal, but are divided into classes and are all looked upon as "subjects" of the king. 4. The entire country is considered to be the property of the ruler. He speaks of it as his "realm." 5. The thrust of governmental power is from the top down, not from the people upward. 6. The people have no unalienable rights. The "king giveth and the king taketh away." 7. Government is by the whims of men, not by the fixed rule of law which the people need in order to govern their affairs with confidence. 8. The ruler issues edicts which are called "the law." He then interprets the law and enforces it, thus maintaining tyrannical control over the people. 9. Under Ruler's Law, problems are always solved by issuing more edicts or laws, setting up more bureaus, harassing the people with more regulators, and charging the people for these "services" by continually adding to their burden of taxes. [page 12] 10. Freedom is never looked upon as a viable solution to anything. 11. The long history of Ruler's Law is one of blood and terror, both anciently and in modern times. Under it the people are stratified into an aristocracy of the ruler's retinue while the lot of the common people is one of perpetual poverty, excessive taxation, stringent regulations, and a continuous existence of misery. I remain... Your lady in liberty, Lady Liberty (Patricia A. 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They've put everybody on the defensive and just closed the door to the possibility of a constructive dialogue." Crosland said the local Bar Association has not taken a formal position on the recall drive, but she predicted the group would oppose the recall when it votes on a position at its monthly meeting in June. .... Contact Guy Ashley via e-mail at gashley@marinij.com Peter Romanowsky, leading this recall movement, is JAIL's Marin County California Representative. J.A.I.L. (Judicial Accountability Initiative Law) Use header to subscribe/remove: jail4judges@mindspring.com JAIL is a unique addition to our form of government. JAIL is powerful! It is dynamic! It is America's ONLY hope! Visit JAIL's informative websites, www.jail4judges.org (& .net) JAIL's message is spreading across this nation vociferously! Support JAIL @ P.O. 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I kinda wondered ; ) As sincere members of a serious movement we all have to be aware of the tactics of propaganda, wich we can use to get our message out and must guard against to prevent ourselves from be monkeywrenched. What I'm saying here is, we can't just be -rational- we must -appear- rational (and convincing) as well. When we make statements (and or wild claims) we -must- have sources and reasoning that makes those statements believable to the people we're targeting with our message (the middleground citizen). When people fail at this we have to prevent their individual failures from marginalizing our movement (further) in the minds of our target audience, wether those failures are well intended or actual opposition action. Just my .02 -Boyd Kneeland Paul M Watson wrote: > > Not sure if I can still post., > > About Norm Olson, he is A: A dumb hick , B: A dumb hick who works for the > feds. Anyone remember his Senate Hearing on the Militia movement? I do the > guy screwed the only chance the so called "patriot movement" ever had to > express something other than bunker buddy idiots. All these guys scream > wolf at White trucks from the UN, our own trains doing normal movements of > our own military equipment and hundreds of other cry wolf un-verified > crap. Its know wonder none of these folks were real commissioned officers, > they are grunts and nothing more. There is no oil shortage, there is a > increase in demand vs world supply, not the same thing. > > About not being able to sue a school district, you almost can not sue any > government except for things they by law allow. Even here with our bad > math, and feel good Plano Texas system, there is nothing keeping all the > parents from electing the right people to the school board. Just like you > can not sue for an election electing the person you voted against. The > point is if the good citizens elect a bunch of fools to government who > then pass poor laws for poor products from the school system or any other > area in government it is legal and what we voted for. There is not a > contract with the people for good government with contractual obligations. > Government is a agent of the people who then contracts for them. I have > an issue all the time where people call me wanting a tax exempt number for > my University not to pay taxes. I have to call them and try and explain > that we are the State government and exempt from state and federal taxes > because of the 10th amendment. A tax exempt number is for a not for profit > corporation. There is a contract for limited government called a State and > Federal constitution. Good government only comes with good people elected > to government. > Regards, > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Paul Watson C.P.M., pwatson@utdallas.edu Senior Buyer UTD > The University of Texas at Dallas > President of ASCC Autism Society of Collin County > ASCC Home Page http://www.autism-ascc.org > These views are mine alone and not any organization > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: WTO Orders Change in US Law (fwd) Date: 02 Jun 2000 20:08:29 PST On inv oralid,, Albert T. Viar wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hello Neal, Your current options include joining a militia or, the choice I recommend, is to engage in Leaderless Resistance. Leaderless Resistance does not require anyone to sign up. There can be no communist/government infiltration that way As to how to accomplish anything effective, consider that the only active technique that is viable in the United States at this time is Guerrilla Warfare using the concept of Leaderless Resistance. The movement will grow and open, overt guerrilla warfare will be the order of the day. The enemies of our Constitutional Republic are too well established and we are not organized for direct warfare at this time. The Globalist Greenies and the communist/globalist Traitors in the ranks of federal, state, county and city government are the occupying enemy. We have enemy occupation of the federal Government, the Judicial System, the governments of all the states with just a few good men and women in some of them, and laws without end. Keep in mind that the Law is the way the Communists first take a country. As Frederick Bastiat said, "It is upon the law that the communists depend". From your Leaderless Resistance Ways and Means Committee: ******************** * Basic Demolition * ******************** Cutting steel by the use of explosives: Aside from the natural strength and hardness of the metal, the configuration is often another complicating factor. Cutting a structural steel target such as an I-beam poses no great problem, regardless of the explosive used. There is no difficulty in achieving close contact between the blocks of TNT or tetrytol and the flat surface of the I-beam. Obtaining the same type of close contact, between TNT and a round steel target, requires different methods. Cylindrical steel targets, such as turbine shafts, are not only difficult to cut because of their shape, but the metal employed in their construction is exceptionally hard. To cut a round turbine shaft just one foot in diameter requires a large amount of explosive, using conventional techniques, and results are not always assured. There are two charges that have been designed to cope with this problem, the saddle and the diamond charge. The ribbon charge has been designed to cope with non-cylindrical targets of structural steel. ............. Saddle Charge A saddle charge can be used to cut mild steel cylindrical targets up to eight inches in diameter. Dimensions are as follows: The short base of the charge is equal to one-half the circumference of the target. The length, or long axis of the charge, is equal to twice the base. (conversely, It is equal to the circumference.) Thickness of the charge is one-third block of C3 or C4 for targets from 6 to 8 inches in diameter. Above 8 inches in diameter, or for alloy steel shafts, use the diamond charge. Prime the charge from the apex of the triangle, and the target is cut at a point directly under the short base by cross-fracture. Neither the saddle nor the diamond charge will produce reliable results against hollow targets, such as gun barrels. .............. Diamond charge This charge can be used to cut hard or alloy steel. Dimensions are as follows: The long axis of the diamond charge should equal the circumference of the target, and the points should just touch on the far side. The short axis is equal to 1/2 the circumference. Thickness of the charge is one third thickness of a block of C3 or C4. To prime the charge, both points of the short axis must be primed for simultaneous detonation. This can be accomplished electrically or by use of equal lengths of detonating cord, with a cap crimped on the end that is inserted into the charge. As detonation is initiated, in each point of the diamond, and moves toward the center, the detonating waves meet at the exact center of the charge, are deflected downward, and cut the shaft cleanly at that point. The diamond charge is more time consuming to construct, and requires more care and more materials to prime. Transferring the charge dimensions to a template of cardboard or cloth permits relatively easy charge construction (working directly on the target is difficult). The completed wrapped charge is then transferred to the target and taped or tied in place, insuring that maximum close contact is achieved. The template technique should be used for both the saddle and diamond charges. ............. Ribbon Charge To cut non-cylindrical steel targets the ribbon charge produces excellent results and is economic. Dimensions are as follows: The thickness of the charge is equal to the thickness of the target to be cut. Note: Never construct a charge less than 1/2 inch thick. Width of the ribbon is equal to twice the thickness of the target. Length of the charge is equal to the length of the desired cut. Prime from an end, and for relatively thin charges, build up the end to be primed. Build up corners if the charge is designed to cut a target such as an I-beam. Tamping is unnecessary with the ribbon charge. A frame can be constructed out of stiff cardboard or plywood to give rigidity to the charge and to facilitate handling, carrying and emplacing it. The ribbon charge is effective only against targets up to two inches thick, which accounts for the greater majority of flat steel targets likely to be encountered. .............. Platter Charge The platter charge has been developed to breach volatile fuel containers and ignite their contents from distances up to fifty yards. The platter charge can also be employed to destroy small electrical transformers or other "soft" targets, from a distance. Platters do not have to be round or concave, although a round or concave platter is undoubtedly best. The concave side of the platter faces the target, and the explosive is molded to the center reverse side. Flat, square, or rectangular platters are permissible, with steel being the best material. Platter size preferably should be between 2 to 6 pounds, and the weight of explosive should approximately equal platter weight. The explosive should be uniformly packed behind the platter and it must be primed from exact rear center. Build up the C4 in the center of the charge if necessary to insure detonation. A container for the explosive is unnecessary for the platter charge, as long as some way is found to hold the explosive firmly to the platter. Tape is acceptable. The platter range is about 50 yards, depending primarily on the size of the target to be attacked. Practice helps. ............. Shaped Charge The angle of the cavity of an improvised shaped charge should be between 30 and 60 degrees. Standoff should be from one to two times the diameter of the cone. Height of the explosive, measured from the base of the cone, should be twice the height of the cone. Exact center tamping and priming of the plastic explosive is important. Experimentation to determine the optimum stand-off for your version is stressed. Due to the many variables involved, such as explosive density and both density and configuration of the cavity liners, accurate reproducible results are almost impossible to obtain. A point worth mentioning in preparing hollow-bottomed bottles for shaped-charge use is to hold the bottle upright when burning the string soaked with gasoline, which is wrapped around the bottle at the desired break-pount. As the flame goes out, submerge the bottle, neck first, in water. If done well, the bottle will break cleanly where the string was burned. Hemispherical cavities will produce more surface damage on the target, but less penetration. A true cone with an angle of about 45 degrees will produce more penetration, which is the most desired result. Melting TNT in a double-boiler will produce an explosive loading of excellent density. Liquid explosive has the advantage of even density. Military Dynamite can be used if better explosive is unavailable, with reduced yield. It will penetrate mild steel targets up to two inches in thickness. ................ Cratering charge Ammonium nitrate (AN) fertilizer is a material that is readily available in many parts of the world. With Ammonium Nitrate we have the ability to tailor make cratering charges to fit our needs. A rule of thumb for an improvised cratering charge is as follows: To each 50 pounds of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, which has beeen ground to produce fresh surfaces to circumvent government mandated coating of the prilled fertilizer, should be the prilled or pellitized variety, add about one gallon of diesel fuel, motor oil, or gasoline. Used oil will work. Allow the charge to soak for one hour, prime with one pound of TNT or a stick of 60 dynamite, or its equivalent,tamp well in a suitable borehole, and detonate. Do not allow the AN to become wet with water. The Ammonium Nitrate may be bagged for utility. A 40 pound charge of AN will produce a nice crater. ............................... Ammonium Nitrate Satchel Charge While the cratering charge is a good one, it is only suitable for cratering. A more versatile charge can be made from AN, using wax as the second ingredient rather than oil. The procedure for making this charge is merely to melt ordinary paraffin and stir in AN pellets, insuring that the wax is thoroughly mixed with the AN while still hot. Before the mixture hardens, add a 1/2 pound block of TNT or its equivalent as a primer. A #10 can makes a good container for this charge. The addition of shrapnel and a handle to the exterior of the charge makes an excellent satchel charge or booby trap. Suitably sealed, this device will keep well and will not draw moisture. ................................... RDX (A Plastic Explosive Component) To about one gallon of strong formaldehyde solution,(35-40%, add an excess (about two gallons) of concentrated aqueous ammonia, M(28%) (48% ammonia water), let sit for half an hour, and evaporate to dryness on a water or steam bath. The white solid which is left is: Hexamethylenetetramine. With a chilled mixture of concentrated sulfuric and nitric acids, nitrate this compound. Pour the entire mix into cold water. This fragments the molecules of the nitrated compound. Wash with water until litmus shows no acid. This compound of various notrated molecules is RDX. It is a powerful explosive and when mixed with a suitable texturizer and adhesive materials makes a good plastic explosive. RDX is the explosive material in C3 and C4. RDX should not be stored in pure form. Mixing RDX with another high explosive increases the stability of RDX in storage and handling. .......... TNT manufacture The first lab procedure is to make the proper acid concentrations. In one beaker, the percentages used are: 76% sulphuric, 23% nitric, and 1% water. In another beaker, the acid mixture is: 57% nitric and 43% sulphuric (H2SO4). The other steps used will be listed numerically. It is proper to prepare a good amount of the acid mixtures, and remember to use weight percentages, and not volume. 1. The ice water cooling method is set up. Ten grams of the first acid mixture is poured into an empty beaker, which is set in the ice water. 2. Ten grams of toluene is then added to this beaker, and stirred for five minutes. 3. This beaker is then taken out of the ice water and gently heated to fifty degrees centigrade. This mixture is also stirred while it is being heated. 4. Fifty more grams of the first acid mix are added, and the temperature is increased to 55 degrees centigrade. This 55 degree temperature is kept for the next ten minutes after the additional acid has been added. An oily liquid will begin to form on top of the acid in this beaker. 5. After the ten minutes, the beaker is placed back in the ice water, and cooled down to 45 degrees C. The oily liquid is allowed to settle to the bottom of the beaker. The acid remaining, is drawn off by means of a syringe. 6. The oily liquid is kept at the 45 degree temperature, and 50 more grams of the first acid mixture is added, while slowly increasing the temperature to 83 degrees C. It is important to increase the temperature slowly. After the 83 degree temperature is reached, it is maintained for thirty minutes. 7. After the thirty minutes, the mixture is cooled down to 60 degrees C. and allowed to settle at this temperature for another half hour. The acids are again removed. 8. The beaker of oily liquid is again heated and thirty grams of sulfuric acid is added. The temperature is slowly raised to 80 degrees C. 9. Thirty grams of the second acid mixture is now added, while the temperature is increased from 80 degrees C. to 104 degrees C., and maintained for three hours. 10. After the three hour period, the mix is lowered to 100 degrees C. for thirty minutes. The oil is then removed from the acids, and thoroughly washed with boiling water. 11. After the boiling treatment, while constantly being stirred, the TNT will begin to solidify. 12. The TNT is then boiled in fresh water containing a small amount of sodium bicarbonate. Wash as many times as necessary to achieve a neutral condition as shown by the litmus test. 13. After suitable washing and as it cools, the TNT will start to solidify. Add cold water so it will solidify in pellet form. 14. TNT may be melted and cast into containers for bursting charges or cast into blocks for booster charges for ammonium nitrate explosives. Caution: TNT is toxic in all its forms and can be readily absorbed through the skin. Acute liver failure can occur with TNT poisoning. ............. Blasting Caps Mercury fulminate, Hg(ONC)2, is prepared by dissolving pure mercury into nitric acid of specific gravity 1.42. A small amount may be prepared by poring 5 grams of mercury into 35 ml. of nitric acid. The mixture is then heated slowly. It will bubble, and turn green, as the mercury is dissolved. It is then poured into a small flask of ethyl alcohol. The flask will then begin to give off red fumes. Use a suitable ventilation hood. In about half an hour, or sooner, white fumes will appear, indicating that the reaction is nearing its final phase. After a five minute wait, distilled water is added, and the whole mix filtered, to obtain the white precipitate crystals. The white crystals are the mercury fulminate, and should be washed repeatedly, until no acid is present, as indicated by litmus. Another method of mercury fulminate production is to mix mercuric oxide and ammonia solution. This is done in a weight ratio of 10 parts of ammonia solution to every part of mercuric oxide used. In about ten days, mercuric oxide will react with ammonia solution to produce the white fulminate crystals. These crystals must be filtered and washed as before. .................. God Bless, Albert T. Viar Editor of The Adams County Patriot's League hodag3@rnet.com ---------- > Good question. While we weren't looking our laws and our Constitution were > usurped it seems and now > tyrants encroach on our liberties with their new forms of slavery. Why isn't > the military defending > this nation? Where do we sign up to stop this enemy on our soil? > > Neal [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: America the Beautiful (fwd) Date: 03 Jun 2000 13:58:22 PST On Jun 03, Tammy wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hi All, This is the judge who fought to continue to hang the Ten Commandments in his courtroom. I understand that he won. Love, Tammy S. ***********************************************8 AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL : by Judge Roy Moore : : America the Beautiful, or so you used to be. : Land of the Pilgrims' pride, I'm glad they'll never see : Babies piled in dumpsters, Abortion on demand, : Oh, sweet land of liberty, your house is built on sand. : : Our children wander aimlessly, poisoned by cocaine, : Choosing to indulge their lusts, when God has said abstain. : From sea to shining sea, our Nation turns away : From the teaching of God's love and a need to always pray. : : So many worldly pastors tell lies about our Rock, : Saying God is going broke so they can fleece the flock. : We've kept God in our temples, how callous we have grown, : When earth is but His footstool and Heaven is His throne. : : We've voted in a government that's rotting at the core, : Appointing Godless Judges who throw reason out the door, : Too soft to place a killer in a well deserved tomb, : But brave enough to kill a baby before he leaves the womb. : : You think that God's not angry that our land's a moral slum? : How much longer will He wait before His judgment comes? : How are we to face our God from Whom we cannot hide? : What then is left for us to do, but stem this evil tide? : : If we who are His children will humbly turn and pray, : Seek His holy face and mend our evil way, : Then God will hear from Heaven and forgive us of our sins, : He'll heal our sickly land and those who live within. : : But America the Beautiful if you don't, then you will see, : A sad but Holy God withdraw His hand from thee. : AMEN! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [newsucanuse] Interrogating 6 year olds (fwd) Date: 03 Jun 2000 13:56:03 PST On Jun 3, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Dan Walters: Interrogating 6-year-olds (Published June 2, 2000) Suppose a state law required that when a 6-year-old child was entering the first grade of school, the youngster and/or his parents had to answer a series of questions delving into: Whether the child's family had a history of mental illness, domestic violence or drug use. Whether there were "family stresses that could lead to violence," such as unemployment or divorce. Whether the family had adequate child care. Whether parents used spanking in discipline. Whether the child had been exposed to violence, either actual in the family or neighborhood or fictional via movies and television. Whether the family or neighbors owned any guns. Whether anyone in the family, the school or the neighborhood was involved with gangs. Whether the child had experienced physical assault or "sexual victimization from anyone." Whether the child had signs of poor self-esteem or depression. Sounds rather intrusive, doesn't it, as if a 6-year-old child or parents would be required, as a condition of entering school, to spill family secrets? There isn't any such law now, but Sacramento Assemblyman Darrell Steinberg wants one, contending that early screening is needed to find "red flags" to children's emotional problems that could later emerge as violence or crime. However, rather than simply write the legislation and take his chances on its passage, Steinberg is taking a circuitous path to his goal. State law already requires children to undergo, as a condition of entering the first grade, complete medical examinations. An earlier version of Steinberg's bill would have extended this to include a "social history" of each child, but didn't spell out what it would have included. Rather, the bill said that it was to reflect a 1999 policy statement by the American Academy of Pediatrics -- the items in previously cited list. Steinberg's back-door approach didn't survive the Assembly committee process, in part because the state would have to pay for the examinations. After several rewrites, an even more indirect version of the bill reached the Assembly floor, one requiring the American Academy of Pediatrics recommendations to be incorporated into children's health screening programs operated by county governments -- the programs that poor parents lacking health insurance are most likely to use to comply with the medical exam requirements for their first-grade children. No matter how you slice it, however, the essential thrust remains intact: 6-year-olds would be undergoing exams that would probe private aspects of their family lives. Anyone who has reared a child knows that the world of 6-year-olds is a delightful mixture of fact and fantasy in which "monsters" can be just as real as parents, in which water guns and bazookas are equally menacing, in which the line between gangs and pals is indistinguishable -- and in which questions from adults can often be regurgitated as fact. Interrogating them about family problems is pointless, intrusive and potentially damaging as official busybodies act on the "information" the kids impart. The Assembly may not have known what it was doing when it approved Steinberg's measure recently, but it certainly couldn't claim ignorance on Wednesday when Assemblyman Tom McClintock, R-Simi Valley, tried to persuade his colleagues to rethink what they were doing, quoting extensively from the American Academy of Pediatrics policy statement and terming it "some of the most frightening invasions of family privacy I have ever read." Nevertheless, the Assembly left its original approval intact, thus contributing to a triumph of good intentions over good sense. ===================================================== uwsa@uwsa.com is an unmoderated mail list to discuss general government topics. To join or leave this list send e-mail to majordomo@uwsa.com with either subscribe uwsa or unsubscribe uwsa at the start of the message. Visit our world wide web site at http://www.uwsa.com Support UWSA.COM at http://www.uwsa.com/UWSAintro.html >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [newsucanuse] VIN -- 'Fat Tax' (fwd) Date: 03 Jun 2000 14:03:57 PST On Jun 3, SlickEditor@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Time for a 'fat tax' on Wendy's, McDonald's? Ever-increasing budgets being the lifeblood of a bureaucracy, cynics have long contended that when the federal government runs out of legitimate wars to fight and crises to solve, it just invents new ones. Witness the two-day "federal nutrition and health summit" convened in Washington May 30. The latest crisis requiring an emergency allocation? About 52 percent of Americans are now overweight -- carrying around 20 pounds more than their theoretical "ideal weight" -- up from 33 percent just a decade ago, Agriculture bureaucrats breathlessly revealed. This, of course, turns out to be just another troubling side effect of our capitalist prosperity -- always a reliable villain. Busy Americans are eating fewer meals at home and more at restaurants, you see, and "Restaurant meals typically have more calories, more fat and more sugar than food consumed at home," explains Roger Rosenblatt, covering the conference for the Los Angeles Times. ("Hey honey, we both had a tough day in the office, what say we just send out for celery sticks?") How is this any of the government's concern? "Policy-makers worry about the enormous costs the nation will sustain to pay for doctor and hospital bills as the baby boom generation moves into middle age and beyond," Mr. Rosenblatt of the Times explains. Note that interesting construction: "the nation." The last time you hauled a child to the doctor with a fever, did you find you could breezily inform the receptionist, "Oh, just send that bill to 'the nation,' will you please?" "The nation" doesn't pay most Americans' medical bills, even if we let the propagandists get away with confusing "the nation" with "the federal government," which is a different thing entirely. To the extent that the Medicare and Medicaid boondoggles do create an "entitlement" for the poor to have their medical bills paid by the rest of us -- no matter how reckless their behavior -- this should only sound a further cautionary Klaxon against the relentless march of socialized medicine. But the "policy-makers" don't stop there. No, "There are an estimated 120,000 premature deaths each year related to dietary factors -- about 20 percent of heart disease and stroke fatalities, and 30 percent of cancer and diabetes deaths," Mr. Rosenblatt continues. "The financial tally is $70 billion a year, a figure that includes medical bills and lost wages from people who become ill." Goodness. So we "cost the nation" when we take sick days? What about if we retire early, or move to Costa Rica? How much extra do we owe "the nation," then? Besides which, pardon me, but isn't it possible that "premature deaths" actually save "the nation" health care costs, by getting more potato-chip eaters out of the way before they're old enough to qualify for Medicare in the first place? Nonetheless, it is out of just such a fearful-sounding statistical house of cards that the folks at the Agriculture Department -- a department never authorized in the Constitution -- now build their urgent plea for "a sophisticated new marketing approach that would counter fast-food's lure, pitting commercials promoting the appeal of fruits and vegetables against those showing juicy hamburgers." The new approach will go "far beyond the display of the 'food pyramid' in school classrooms or cafeterias" -- the kind traditionally supplied by the dairy industry, you'll recall, which always identified dairy products as a separate and vital "food group." No, nowadays "It has to be packaged in a way that is exciting," explains Eileen Kennedy, deputy undersecretary of Agriculture for research, education and economics. But wait. Cue ominous "Peter and the Wolf" theme music here: "Any nutrition education campaign faces an uphill battle," Mr. Rosenblatt warns in conclusion. "The food industry spends $7 billion a year on advertising, compared with the Agriculture Department's total outlays of less than $350 million. ..." Oh, the humanity! Just look at the odds they're up against! Or should we, instead, marvel at the transparency of the implication that this particular set of Washington worker ants -- whose main vocation for 70 years has been to funnel tax moneys to farmers and agricultural conglomerates in the form of subsidies and price supports -- now stand in an adversarial relationship with the evil "food industry," who apparently spend their $7 billion a year seducing Americans into consuming unhealthy doses of poison, dirt, and lard against their will? It would be tempting to write off Ms. Kennedy's $350 million per year as a mere drop in the bucket as we now measure federal waste. But make no mistake, this will not end with a few "Eat your vegetables" TV ads, any more than the anti-smoking campaign ended with tobacconists required to print the "Surgeon General's warning" on every pack -- any more than gun control ended with a $200 tax on each machine gun back in 1934. Based on just those precedents, we can now expect to see "menu calorie averaging" requirements, penalty taxes, and coordinated state and federal "health cost liability lawsuits" against the evil fast food behemoths, based on how much "excess fat" they supposedly cram down the throats of unwary Americans. Why? Because hamburgers, fries, and a Coke kill more Americans than car crashes, legal alcohol, or swimming pool drownings? Of course not. To identify the next likely candidate for this sequence of gentle federal ministrations, all one has to do is apply Willie Sutton's Law: "That's where the money is." Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, and author of the book "Send in the Waco Killers." *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com "The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John Hay, 1872 "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken * * * To subscribe, send a message to vinsends-request@ezlink.com, from your NEW address, including the word "subscribe" (with no quotation marks) in the "Subject" line. All I ask of electronic subscribers is that they not RE-forward my columns until on or after the embargo date which appears at the top of each, and that (should they then choose to do so) they copy the columns in their entirety, preserving the original attribution. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: It's Happening - Goodbye Income Tax! (fwd) Date: 03 Jun 2000 14:00:56 PST On Jun 03, Bill Utterback wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Sen. Orrin Hatch's Former Attorney: 16th Amendment Not Ratified! http://www.devvy.com/warren_20000602.html Devvy Kidd May 30, 2000 For those of you who have been following Bob Schulz' IRS Symposium's in Washington, DC., you know that last November 13, 1999, Bill Benson, author of The Law That Never Was, gave a very serious speech on this issue. During Bill's speech, he categorically and very specifically outlined the offer of a bribe he received via telephone (with a third party, a reverend, listening to this conversation) back in 1986 by an attorney named Warren Richardson. Bill Benson turned him down flat. Who is Warren Richardson? Back in 1986 he represented himself as an attorney for the unconstitutionally seated "Senator" Orrin Hatch. When I say that Orrin Hatch is unconstitutionally seated, I say that based on the fact that the 17th Amendment, just like the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, was not legally ratified. Therefore, Orrin Hatch is serving in office under a law that flat out does not exist. I ask this question over and over because I want it to become firmly etched in people's minds: Are we a nation of laws or a nation of lies? We can't be both and claim that the United States of America is a great country. Greatness is not built on lies and deceit. Fast forward to May 5, 2000 and what does Bill Benson get in the mail? Why a letter from none other than Warren Richardson, J.D. Attorney at Law. The letter appears below. What makes this letter so remarkable, besides the fact that it is authored by Warren Richardson and actually notarized -- is his statement on page two, paragraph three: In my professional opinion your two books demonstrate, at least to me, that the 16th Amendment was not property ratified even though the Secretary of State made the public announcement that it had been properly ratified. Hold on to your hat, folks. Here's a guy who tried to bribe the recipient of this letter (Bill) 14 years ago to stop publication and distribution of Bill's Law That Never Was, a guy who at that time stated he was a lawyer who represented "Senator" Orrin Hatch and offered a bribe. Now, out of the clear and six months after Bill's speech at the National Press Club, this guy sends Bill a letter acknowledging that Bill's work proves an amendment to the U.S. Constitution was never ratified. Holy smokes. Richardson back peddles a bit in the next paragraph by saying that he's just a little old lawyer and not a constitutional scholar, but ladies and gentlemen, this is truly an amazing thing. My question is why would this big, powerful, lobbyist attorney suddenly after 14 years send Bill this letter which includes a request that it not be "published?" If you read the piece on what happened at Bob's symposium last month, you know that both Bob and Joe Banister met in the White House with Clinton's senior economic advisor and senior staffers from Lott and Hastert's offices. Something is cooking back in DC. All three people at those meetings last month (White House, Senate & House) committed, and I watched it on the video, committed to sending reps to the final symposium coming up next month (June 29th ) at the National Press Club in Washington. Stay tuned, things seem to be churning back in old foggy bottom. ------ For a graphic image of the letter see http://www.devvy.com/warrenltr.html Here is the text of the letter: ------ WARREN S. RICHARDSON, J.D. Attorney at Law May 5, 2000 Mr. William J. Benson Constitutional Scholar 1128 East 160th Place South Holland, IL 60473 Dear Mr. Benson: You may address me simply as Warren and I'll call you Bill. My first comment is to applaud you for the tremendous amount of work you have done in bringing to light the enormous volume of factual data--over 17,000 pages of certified government documents from each of the 48 states (the number in 1913) as well as from the National Archives in Washington, D.C. In fact, the whole project, which includes your two books, is truly monumental. In case you wish to know a little about my background, let me give you a brief overview. I was honored to serve my nation in World War II as a Naval Aviator. Since my college career at the University of Rochester had been interrupted by the war, I went back to the U. of R. and obtained my A.B. degree in history. That was followed by a B.S. in accounting. By then I was married and we moved to the Washington, D.C. area so that my wife could continue her college work while I attended law school. Upon receiving my law degree, I was honored to be chosen for the first class of Honor Law Graduates at the Justice Department. (This program was started in 1953 while Eisenhower was president.) Because of my law and accounting background, I moved to the legal department at the General Accounting Office. After 5 years as a government attorney, I left for the private sector, where I have been ever since. Two years of that time was spent in a law firm and the rest has been working in the lobbying profession. Before going to the subject of your books--the 16th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America was not properly ratified--I wish to lay some groundwork. In 1895 the United States Supreme Court ruled a direct income tax to be unconstitutional in the case of Pollock v. Farmer's Loan and Trust Company (158 U.S. 601). Since our forefathers who established our form of government (a republic, not a democracy) by splitting the federal power into three equal branches (legislative, judicial, and administrative), it was clearly within the court's discretion to render their verdict in the Pollock case. The Supreme Court's decision in that case can only be changed by one of two method: 1. The Supreme Court, assuming it has valid reasoning, could reverse the Pollock case; or, 2. An Amendment to the Constitution authorizing a direct income tax could be passed by a vote of two-thirds of both houses of Congress and then ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the States. Following the procedure of item 2, above, the Secretary of State has the duty of announcing to the public, the President, and the Congress that a proposed amendment has been accepted or rejected. The people who wished to overturn the Pollock case chose the second alternative. In my professional opinion your two books demonstrate, at least to me, that the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified even though the Secretary of State made the public announcement that it had been properly ratified. When only four states of the required 38 ratified it properly, how could it be considered valid? In view of the facts, how could it become a valid part of our Constitution? Since the Pollock case has not been reversed by the Supreme Court, what was the legal framework upon which the current income tax law is based? Although I am a lawyer, it is important to note that I am not a constitutional scholar; therefore I do not speak as one. As noted above, it is my opinion that, based on your overwhelming evidence, the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified. Furthermore, I believe that it is imperative to have legal scholars in constitutional law study this matter deeply and render their opinions on whether the 16th Amendment was properly ratified. Provided they come to the same conclusion we do (that it was not properly ratified), what would be the logical next move? That last question is a real tough one because of the politics involved. Assume that the Supreme Court rules upon a case properly brought before it that the tax system of the U.S. is not legal. Can you even visualize the reaction of the Members of Congress? Bill, you have done a magnificent job in providing the factual data about whether the 16th Amendment was properly ratified. I am hopeful that we can find the scholars who will go to the next step and suggest what should be done now. Thanks for your hard work. You have done a great service to your country. /Warren S. Richardson/ Sworn and subscribed to before me this 5th day of May, 2000 Mary M. Challstrom Notary Public My Commission Expires 6/12/00 P.S.: Since a personal letter cannot be distributed, or even shown, to anyone other the recipient without permission of the author, I hereby authorize you to show it (not publish it) to other people at your discretion. ------ Editor's notes: (1) The statement in the P.S. is not correct as a matter of law. A personal letter belongs to the recipient, together with any copyright, unless a copyright notice appears in the document. 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Ref: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Waco FLIR Reflections (1) (fwd) Date: 05 Jun 2000 08:37:22 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- This is the first in a series of updates where I shall examine flashes at key locations on the 1993 Waco FLIR. The FLIR video is from a Forward-Looking InfraRed camera that was mounted on an aircraft flying over the Waco siege. While viewing a high-quality copy of the 1993 Waco FLIR I recently observed that there's an object that flaps in the wind and periodically flashes in the very same location as the flashes that are said to be machinegun fire in the well- known documentaries Waco: The Rules of Engagement and Waco: A New Revelation. Observing this object makes it clear that these flashes are not machinegun fire but are instead reflections of infrared radiation initially from the sun and eventually from the fire reflecting off an object that can be seen in both FLIR and visible-light photographs here: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/flirloc6.htm After I made that observation some readers responded noting that according to Waco: A New Revelation (WANR), the Justice Department report states at least 15 people were found shot to death in the dinning room at the back exit, which is where WANR says the "gunshots" in question were being directed as the fire was breaking out. However, WANR is simply wrong, the Justice Department report lists the recovery locations of all bodies (see pages 313-28) and not one body is listed as having been found in the dinning room, or anywhere near the back exit. How do zero bodies in the dinning room become at least fifteen? Respondents have also noted that the flashes that happen as the fire breaks out have got to be gunshots because Dr Edward Allard observes in the Waco documentaries that there's a gunman who retreats as he fires. Allard's claim is, however, simply not accurate. Careful observation anyone with a copy of WANR can conduct will prove that those flashes remain fixed in one location on debris on the ground throughout the flash series. Viewing the uninterrupted FLIR proves the same. At the cited page you can see four stills taken from times across the better part of that flash series, and you can see that the flashes are always in the same location on fallen debris: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/flirloc6.htm There are in fact no retreating flashes, the Justice Department lists zero, not at least fifteen, bodies at the back door, and the so-called gunshots are plainly reflections off an object. The scenario many people, myself included, had accepted as presented in Waco: A New Revelation is in reality a fiction. ------------------------------------------------------------ GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm ____________________________________________________________ Asking the "wrong questions," challenging the Official Story To subscribe send email with "subscribe" to Ian@Goddard.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Re: Waco FLIR Reflections (1) (fwd) Date: 05 Jun 2000 12:03:43 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Dear Paul and all other interested parties,, The issue of where bodies were when shot, re Mr. Goddards' remarks, assumes we said certain things in the film that we did not say. We did not say the bodies were found "in the dinning room" or 'at the back door.' Some folks watching the film may have drawn that conclusion, but, in fact, the narrator notes that, "There are at least two men firing into the back of the dinning room..." and then notes later that "at least 15 people were found shot to death at this location." In hindsight, it might have been more prudent to say , "at or near the dinning room," but we didn't. However, it should be noted that the location given includes the hall way across the front of the dinning room. One of the problems with determining who was were when shot is the fact that no proof is offered that they were shot where they were found. In addition the government couldn't tell whether the people found at a given location were actually upstairs and fell to the ground when the building collapsed or were down stairs when shot during the fire. The certainty is that most of the folks found shot to death were in the field of fire from the rear of the building and the two walls, exterior and interior, that may have been between the shooters and the victims were not sufficient to stop the rounds being fired from the courtyard. Again, a complete forensic test would settle the question, and as noted by the narrator, the test done by the FBI was "rudimentary at best and inconclusive." In so far as the shooters moving down the side of the building, moving away from the raging fire, this is observable in the complete FLIR. I think the problem Mr. Goddard is having stems from the fact that he is not a photogramatist, and as a result is way off on his basic understanding of the scale and shapes he is claiming to be certain things, like "flapping plastic sheets" and he has no knowledge in the area of FLIR technology regarding such factors as emmisivity vs reflectivity. Based on the review of our experts, we find Goddard's current "Flapping Plastic" offering, simply without biases and left flapping in the breeze. As to why we find it so, this will be revealed during the course of the up coming trial. While we appreciate Mr. Goddard's persistence in these matters, we had hoped that he had learned his lesson, (the need for appropriate expertise in the field of endeavor he chooses to operate in -- re the explosion on the roof of the bunker episode), from his previous experiences. Non of us can be 100% right 100% of the time, but we do our best to keep our error ratio as low as possible and spend the time and money to find the appropriate experts to test our theories before we present them to the public. It would be advisable for Goddard to do the same. Best Regards, Mike McNulty Researcher/ Producer WANR and WTROE. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Re: Waco FLIR Reflections (1) (fwd) Date: 05 Jun 2000 16:28:29 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Thanks Paul, When I asked McNulty where in the DoJ report it says at least 15 bodies were found in the dinning room, he said "we are not your reference library." The dinning room is where the rear exit is, for him to now say it's not where they meant to say the bodies were found is a complete reversal. The story that everyone has taken away from WROE and WANR is that the people were gunned down as they tried to exit, and the rear exit was in the dinning room, which is why WANR mentions the dinning room, but now he's saying they were somewhere inside and were hit by bullets flying through the wall apparently fired blindly into the Center. Is this not a reversal? Here's the locations bodies were found as stated in the Treasury Department report: http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/map/d_map01.html In that report, one body is found in the dinning room. Nine bodies were found on top of the bunker, all shot in the head. The cluster of bodies in the kitchen-serving area are, from the view of the alleged rear gunman, behind the concrete room, and thus they cannot really be said to have been shot from the rear. At 11:55 AM 06/05/2000 -0500, you wrote: >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:47:47 EDT >From: COPS555@aol.com >To: pwatson@utdallas.edu >Subject: Re: Waco FLIR Reflections (1) (fwd) > >Dear Paul and all other interested parties,, > The issue of where bodies were when shot, re Mr. Goddards' remarks, >assumes we said certain things in the film that we did not say. We did not >say the bodies were found "in the dinning room" or 'at the back door.' Some >folks watching the film may have drawn that conclusion, but, in fact, the >narrator notes that, "There are at least two men firing into the back of the >dinning room..." and then notes later that "at least 15 people were found >shot to death at this location." In hindsight, it might have been more >prudent to say , "at or near the dinning room," but we didn't. However, it >should be noted that the location given includes the hall way across the >front of the dinning room. One of the problems with determining who was were >when shot is the fact that no proof is offered that they were shot where they >were found. In addition the government couldn't tell whether the people found >at a given location were actually upstairs and fell to the ground when the >building collapsed or were down stairs when shot during the fire. The >certainty is that most of the folks found shot to death were in the field of >fire from the rear of the building and the two walls, exterior and interior, >that may have been between the shooters and the victims were not sufficient >to stop the rounds being fired from the courtyard. Again, a complete forensic >test would settle the question, and as noted by the narrator, the test done >by the FBI was "rudimentary at best and inconclusive." > In so far as the shooters moving down the side of the building, moving >away from the raging fire, this is observable in the complete FLIR. I think >the problem Mr. Goddard is having stems from the fact that he is not a >photogramatist, and as a result is way off on his basic understanding of the >scale and shapes he is claiming to be certain things, like "flapping plastic >sheets" and he has no knowledge in the area of FLIR technology regarding such >factors as emmisivity vs reflectivity. Based on the review of our experts, we >find Goddard's current "Flapping Plastic" >offering, simply without biases and left flapping in the breeze. As to why we >find it so, this will be revealed during the course of the up coming trial. > While we appreciate Mr. Goddard's persistence in these matters, we had >hoped that he had learned his lesson, (the need for appropriate expertise in >the field of endeavor he chooses to operate in -- re the explosion on the >roof of the bunker episode), from his previous experiences. > Non of us can be 100% right 100% of the time, but we do our best to keep >our error ratio as low as possible and spend the time and money to find the >appropriate experts to test our theories before we present them to the >public. It would be advisable for Goddard to do the same. > > Best Regards, > > Mike McNulty > Researcher/ Producer WANR and >WTROE. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: ALERT - American Policy Center (APC) News (fwd) Date: 05 Jun 2000 14:18:33 PST On Jun 5, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] << Sender: LadyLiberty@Visto.Com<= /A> Please post to everyone's list. *****APC NEWSWIRE***** http://www.americanpolicy.org/ June 2, 2000 Volume 3, Issue 9 A Publication of the American Policy Center Tom DeWeese, President Peyton Knight, Editor 13873 Park Center Road Herndon, VA 20171 703-925-0881 FAX: 703-925-0991 apc@americanpolicy.org ***Fight Against National ID Being Heard in Congress Texas Representative Ron Paul's bill to prohibit the use of the Social Security number as an all-purpose identifier is beginning to move forward in the House. Ways and Means subcommittee chairman Clay Shaw held hearings May 18th on Paul's Freedom and Privacy Restoration Act (H.R. 220). The bill forbids federal or state governments from using the Social Security number for purposes not directly related to administering the Social Security system. The bill now has 35 co-sponsors. As Rep. Paul explained to the committee, Government agents have committed most of the major invasions of privacy, from the abuse of the IRS files to the abuse of the FBI by administrations of both parties. This legislation is designed to stop the use of the Social Security number as a national ID number. Rep. Paul pointed out that the Social Security number has been transformed from an administrative device used to administer the Social Security program into a de facto national ID number. Most people cannot get a job, get married, or open a bank account without a Social Security number. The Clinton Administration has made numerous moves to use the Social Security number to keep tabs on the nation's workforce, combine data banks on school children, record travel habits, create data banks on medical care, organize gun registration and control the flow in bank accounts. Representative Paul is working to put a stop to this invasion of personal privacy in our modern society. To move the bill to the House floor for a vote, Rep. Paul must have more co-sponsors. Your calls, letters and emails are needed! ***ACTION TO TAKE*** 1. Call your Congressman and ask him to co-sponsor and support H.R. 220, The Freedom and Privacy Restoration Act. Capitol Hill House Switchboard: 202-225-3121 2. Tell your Congressman to continue to oppose H.R. 3429 (Congressman Bill Barrett's Legal Employment Act), which authorizes federal databases to share information using the Social Security number. 3. Also, tell your Congressman to continue to oppose Rep. Bill McCollum's H.R.191, which would change the nature of the Social Security card, opening the way for it to become a national ID card. ***Property Rights Battle Rages As Rep. Young/CARA Take Hit Encouraging news for property rights advocates! Rep. Don Young's property-snatching bill, The Conservation and Reinvestment Act (CARA), has been overwhelmingly rejected by his own states Republican Party. Recently, The Republican Party of Alaska adopted a resolution opposing S. 25 (CARA) at its state convention. The resolution demands that the land-grabbing bill be amended to reflect principles of individual liberty and the freedom to own property. S. 25, in essence, would create a massive billion-dollar annual trust fund for the Federal government to use for land acquisition. Although CARA passed in the House, there was a strong core of opposition to it. Now, our inside sources tell us that there is a good chance that CARA will die a rightful death in the Senate. But your Senator needs to know how strongly you oppose this destructive piece of legislation! ***ACTION TO TAKE*** 1. Call both of your Senators and let them know you're adamantly opposed to S. 25! Capitol Hill Senate Switchboard (202) 224-3121. 2. Call Chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, Sen. Frank Murkowski (202-224-6665) and voice your opposition to CARA. ***Much Needed Privacy Amendments Coming Up for Vote Two extremely important privacy amendments to S. 2107, The Competitive Market Supervision Act, have been introduced by Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL). This bill will be voted on in the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs on June 5th, so the time to act is now! The first provision is the Medical Privacy Amendment. It would require your bank or financial institution to obtain your consent prior to requesting health information about you from third parties. Most banks seek this sensitive medical information in order to comply with "know your customer" regulations and help them decide which financial plans they will or will not offer their clients. The second is the Freedom from Behavioral Profiling Amendment. This would stop banks and financial institutions from building your behavioral, psychological profile based on your most private spending habits without your consent. As you can see, these amendments are vital to protecting YOUR right to privacy as a financial customer! ***ACTION TO TAKE*** The Senators listed below are members of the Senate Banking Committee. Call and tell them to vote YES on Shelby's amendments. Capitol Hill Senate Switchboard (202)224-3121. Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX); Sen. Bob Bennett (R-UT) Sen. Connie Mack (R-FL); Sen. Rod Grams (R-MN) Sen. Wayne Allard (R-CO) Sen. Michael Enzi (R-WY) Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY) Sen. Mike Crapo (R-ID) Sen. Paul Sarbanes (D-MD) Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-CT) Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) Sen. Richard Bryan (D-NV) Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD) Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) Sen. John Edwards (D-NC) [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Davidians sentences set aside (fwd) Date: 05 Jun 2000 14:19:47 PST On Jun 5, Bruce Chesley wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bruce Chesley Truth is a terrible cross to bear. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.". Thomas Paine Treason for $$$: ccrkba, jpfo, leaa, nra, saf. Davidians' Sentences Set Aside By RICHARD CARELLI .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court today set aside the lengthy prison sentences given to five Branch Davidians who survived a 1993 siege at the sect's Waco, Texas, compound. The court ruled that a federal judge misused an anti-gun law to increase their punishment. The unanimous decision makes it harder for courts to find lawbreakers deserve extra time behind bars because they used or carried machine guns during their crimes. A federal law subjects anyone who used or carried a ``firearm'' during a violent or drug-related crime to five years in prison. The term jumps to 30 years for anyone who used or carried a ``machine gun'' during that same crime. Federal appeals courts had split on whether determining use of a machine gun is an element of the offense a jury must find beyond a reasonable doubt, or merely a sentencing factor a judge gets to determine by a preponderance of the evidence. The nation's highest court said use of a firearm must be determined by the jury. ``We believe Congress intended the firearm type-related words it used ... to refer to an element of a separate, aggravated crime,'' Justice Stephen G. Breyer wrote for the court. Five Davidians were convicted in 1994 in the killings of four federal agents during a botched Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms raid on the compound outside Waco. The raid led to a 51-day standoff that ended when flames swept through the compound. David Koresh and some 80 followers died during the inferno, some from the fire and others from gunshot wounds. A federal jury acquitted the five Davidians of murder and conspiracy-to-murder charges but convicted them of voluntary manslaughter. Each was sentenced to 10 years in prison for that conviction. The jury also found them guilty of using firearms. The presiding judge tacked on 30-year sentences for four of them and a 10-year sentence for the fifth after finding that each had used a machine gun. Renos Avraam, Brad Eugene Branch, Jaime Castillo and Kevin Whitecliff drew the 30-year sentences; Graeme Craddock the 10-year term. Craddock also was sentenced to a consecutive 10 years for using a hand grenade. The jury never had been asked to determine what types of firearms the five had used. The judge made that determination during sentencing. In appealing their sentences, the Davidians relied heavily on a decision in which the justices last year said carjackers cannot be given tougher sentences unless a jury, not a judge, determines that victims were seriously injured during that federal crime. The case presumably will return to a federal trial court where new sentencing hearings will be conducted. Today's decision did not suggest appropriate new sentences. The case is Castillo vs. U.S., 99-658. On the Net: For the decision: http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/ Click on ``this month's decisions'' or http://www.supremecourtus.gov [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Supremes Rule for Davidians...New Waco Video! Rebuilding the Church (fwd) Date: 06 Jun 2000 10:12:06 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ch This means Smith will have to cut 25 years off 4 Davidian's sentences and 5 years off one's sentences. If he has any mind or heart he COULD reduce the 5 year sentences for the gun charge to time served and we should consider a polite write-in campaign for him to do just that. Preferably one with high profile attorneys, religious leaders, etc heading it. (You know who you are :-) Livingstone Fagan, who did not appeal, still can file a habeus corpus appeal when his fifteen year sentence is completed. Carol Moore in D.C. http://www.kreative.net/carolmoore/davidian-massacre.html > ------------------------ > Davidians' Sentences Set Aside > > By RICHARD CARELLI > =A9 The Associated Press > > WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court today set aside the lengthy prison sentences given to five Branch Davidians who survived a 1993 siege at the sect's Waco, Texas, compound. The court ruled that a federal judge misused an anti-gun law to increase their punishment. > > The unanimous decision makes it harder for courts to find lawbreakers deserve extra time behind bars because they used or carried machine guns during their crimes. > > A federal law subjects anyone who used or carried a "firearm" during a violent or drug-related crime to five years in prison. The term jumps to 30 years for anyone who used or carried a "machine gun" during that same crime. > > Federal appeals courts had split on whether determining use of a machine gun is an element of the offense a jury must find beyond a reasonable doubt, or merely a sentencing factor a judge gets to determine by a preponderance of the evidence. > > The nation's highest court said use of a firearm must be determined by the jury. > > "We believe Congress intended the firearm type-related words it used =2E.. to refer to an element of a separate, aggravated crime," Justice Stephen G. Breyer wrote for the court. > > Five Davidians were convicted in 1994 in the killings of four federal agents during a botched Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms raid on the compound outside Waco. > > The raid led to a 51-day standoff that ended when flames swept through the compound. David Koresh and some 80 followers died during the inferno, some from the fire and others from gunshot wounds. > > A federal jury acquitted the five Davidians of murder and > conspiracy-to-murder charges but convicted them of voluntary manslaughter. Each was sentenced to 10 years in prison for that conviction. The jury also found them guilty of using firearms. > > The presiding judge tacked on 30-year sentences for four of them and a 10-year sentence for the fifth after finding that each had used a machine gun. > > Renos Avraam, Brad Eugene Branch, Jaime Castillo and Kevin Whitecliff drew the 30-year sentences; Graeme Craddock the 10-year term. Craddock also was sentenced to a consecutive 10 years for using a hand grenade. > > The jury never had been asked to determine what types of firearms the five had used. The judge made that determination during sentencing. > > In appealing their sentences, the Davidians relied heavily on a decision in which the justices last year said carjackers cannot be given tougher sentences unless a jury, not a judge, determines that victims were seriously injured during that federal crime. > > The case presumably will return to a federal trial court where new sentencing hearings will be conducted. Today's decision did not suggest appropriate new sentences. > > The case is Castillo vs. U.S., 99-658. > > On the Net: For the decision: > > http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/ Click on "this month's decisions" or http://www.supremecourtus.gov > ++++ I got a copy of the video below and it's defintely got some good stuff on it. Committed volunteers produced the video and will get the money to the Davidians. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D God Bless The New Mt. Carmel Church! Collectors Edition 2000! Never before seen video footage of Mt. Carmel! Interviews from survivors and volunteers who helped rebuild Mt. Carmel! Take a tour of the beautiful property and see the church rise before your eyes. Hear for yourself what Robert Rodriguez had to say when he showed up at the April 19, 2000 memorial. Your $20 contribution will go towards the septic and air conditioning systems still needed. Your contribution will also go towards building housing for the elderly ladies who were left homeless after the slaughter. These beautiful ladies have been living at the Salvation Army in a communal apartment for many years and wish to finally come home! Please share this amazing video with friends, family, community leaders, patriot groups and others! PLEASE, send your donation in today and receive this awesome video. RebuildTheChurch.Com PO Box 19061 Austin, TX 78760 www.rebuildthechurch.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Notice: Peter Weissbach Radio show Date: 07 Jun 2000 00:46:24 PST Today, between 3-6 PM PST, on 570 AM KVI Radio, one of the topics on the Weissbach show, will be how CPS, (Child Protective Services), is repsonsible for more child fatalities than guns. I think there's an 800 number, but I don't know it. The number in the Seattle area is 206-421-5757. This program _might_ be on the net, but I'm not sure about that, _some_ KVI shows are. You should be able to check it out through: www.570KVI.com -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: [PROVE] Fw: Vaccine Article in Offspring Magazine (fwd) Date: 07 Jun 2000 08:48:06 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- The June/July Issue is on the newstands now. The article is decent. Offspring is a new parenting publication owned by Dow Jones and the Wall Street Journal. I was quoted in the article referenced below too. Unfortunately they did not put the whole article online. I've pasted the portion the did put online for you to see below. Dawn ----- Original Message ----- http://www.offspringmag.com/highlights/excerpts.cfm?story=shots Offspring Magazine This is an incredible article on the vaccine safety movement. They only have part of it on the website. Everyone should buy this magazine for the full article. Kathi Williams National Vaccine Information Center ---------- Who's Calling the Shots? By Walecia Konrad with Emily Harrison Ginsburg When Brenda Anderson, a mother in Northern Cambria, Pennsylvania, took her daughter Brittany to the doctor at four months, she'd already fallen behind in her immunizations. So the pediatrician's nurse suggested a quick fix: They'd give the baby girl both doses of her DTP shot (for diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis), which are routinely administered at two-month intervals. Anderson balked. "Isn't there a reason they space them apart?" she asked. When Anderson offered instead to bring her daughter back one month later, the nurse called the doctor in. Despite her protests, the pediatrician gave her daughter the second shot anyway. Anderson stormed out of the office, vowing to find another doctor. When she didn't come back for her next scheduled visit two months later, she got a call from the pediatrician's office. An apology? Hardly. The staffer warned Anderson that she'd be reported to child services for neglect if she didn't get her daughter vaccinated properly. "The doctor is the one who should have been reported," fumes Anderson. "She didn't want to deal with anyone who asked any questions." Threats? Harassment? Over childhood immunizations? There was a time-not so long ago, either-when vaccinations were a simple, routine part of child care, as nonconfrontational as diaper changes. And there's no denying that vaccines have been one of the major medical triumphs of the last forty years: Smallpox has been eradicated, and both polio and diphtheria have been all but wiped out in the Western Hemisphere. It's estimated that before 1963 there were as many as 4 million cases of the measles and 500 deaths from that disease annually in the U.S.; in 1999 there were just 86 occurrences. The Hib vaccine has helped stem the number of cases of Haemophilus influenzae type b-once the leading cause of childhood bacterial meningitis and postnatal mental retardation-from 20,000 a year in the early '80s to 54 in 1998. But vaccines have become the subject of a fierce debate between a growing cadre of anti-vaccine activists and the medical establishment. The activists claim that vaccines can, in fact, hurt children-causing brain damage, autism, even death-and they want to allow parents to opt out of the mandatory immunization schedule and to improve the safety of the shots children get. "Parents have a right to informed consent-to get all the information and then make a decision," says Dawn Richardson, founder of Parents Requesting Open Vaccine Education (PROVE). Doctors and public health officials, by and large, have reacted with patronizing dismissal, characterizing advocates as a fringe element-"misguided folks" peddling "misguided information," as one doctor says. Then last summer there was a flurry of news that brought attention to the anti-vaccine case: Safer versions of two core vaccines-DTP and polio-were put on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's schedule, a move that backhandedly acknowledged the activists' claims. After that came the rotavirus debacle, in which the new vaccine, supposed to guard against a severe form of childhood diarrhea, was found to cause life-threatening bowel obstructions in infants. Just nine months after introducing the vaccine, the Federal Drug Administration recommended that it be pulled. As rotavirus made headlines, more and more parents began wondering what was going on. If the doctors had made a mistake this time, maybe they didn't really know that much after all. Maybe we should all be worrying about immunizations. Suddenly, the vaccine safety movement had gone mainstream. Where does that leave you? Most likely in your pediatrician's waiting room, wondering how seriously you should take the anti-vaccine claims and whether your doctor is (a) really up on this debate and (b) telling you all you need to know about the side effects of the twenty-four shots of vaccine your child will likely get over the next four years. The vaccine whirlwind starts literally at birth, when many hospitals inoculate infants against hep-atitis B, an incurable disease that causes severe liver damage, but one that is usually transmitted sexually. By your baby's two-month checkup, he's due for an onslaught of shots: a second dose of hep B and the first shots for diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis; polio; and Hib. Just watching the needles piercing your infant's thigh is painful. Whatever happened to the polio vaccine we drank from a cup as kids? That's the one the CDC took off its vaccination list last year, after vaccine safety advocates spent years publicizing what the government already knew: The tiny number of polio cases occurring annually in the U.S. were actually caused by the oral vaccine, which contained the live virus. By the time of your child's four-month well-baby checkup, you're full of questions. Your son ran a slight fever after his last shots-a common minor reaction. But do you need to worry? Like many parents, you turn to the Internet for reassurance. Your search only raises your anxiety. At the National Vaccine Information Center's Web site (www.909shot.com), for example, you read about a Swedish study of 215,000 children who received the DTP shot. One in 17,000 either died from a reaction or ended up with permanent brain damage. The CDC site (www.cdc.gov/nip) says, "The risks of serious disease from not vaccinating are far greater than the risks of serious reaction to the vaccination," but how are you to judge the real danger to your child? It doesn't help that all your Web surfing has landed your name on a couple of e-mail lists. Your inbox is full of dire messages with scary subject lines like "The Damning Evidence That the Medical Establishment Has Chosen to Ignore." One, headlined "Dirty Vaccines," implies that vaccines made with bovine material might be carrying mad cow disease. Every doctor visit is starting to feel like a game of Russian roulette. Meanwhile, your son, now one year old, is due for his first measles-mumps-rubella shot, and frankly, you're terrified. This is the vaccine that some activists claim is linked to the skyrocketing incidence of autism in the U.S. and Britain. Scientists dispute that there's any such connection, but what if . . . ? FOR THE COMPLETE STORY, PICK UP THE JUNE/JULY ISSUE OF OFFSPRING AVAILABLE ON NEWSSTANDS TODAY Dawn Richardson PROVE(Parents Requesting Open Vaccine Education) P.O. Box 1071 Cedar Park, TX 78630-1071 (512) 918-8760 prove@vaccineinfo.net (email) http://vaccineinfo.net (web site) PROVE provides information on vaccines, and immunization policies and practices that affect the children and adults of Texas. Our mission is to prevent vaccine injury and death and to promote and protect the right of every person to make informed independent vaccination decisions for themselves and their family. Subscribe to PROVE Email Updates: http://www.vaccineinfo.net/subscribe.htm This information is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 11:50 AM http://www.offspringmag.com/highlights/excerpts.cfm?story=shots This is an article from Offspring Magazine. The magazine is available on news stands and contains much more material including a profile on Barbara. http://www.fedbuzz.com/vaccine/articles/mother.html This is a new website that has the VAERS database online. This is an article about NVIC and my contribution. Kathi Williams National Vaccine Information Center - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The "Reconquest" of California, and possibly, other border states... (fwd) Date: 07 Jun 2000 13:56:17 PST On Jun 7, Mel Young wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FROM NEWSMAX.COM.... http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/6/5/154335 Folks: I've been writing for several years, warning that Mexico and millions of Mexican aliens, legal and illegal, intend to take California and, possibly, Arizona, New Mexico and all or part of Texas for either a new Hispanic nation or for Mexico.. Now, we hear it from the Presidente of Mexico and from the numerous Mexican activist organizations tottally opposed to closed borders, requirement that English be taught and spoken in the US, etc. I was right and we are in for a lot of grief over this. Mel Young ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Mexican Reconquista: Leader Says California Will Be First 'Hispanic' State Stephan Archer Wednesday, June 7, 2000 "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important - part of this." This statement wasn't made in secrecy behind closed doors. It wasn't said outside the jurisdiction of the United States of America. None other than Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo spoke it in Chicago on July 23, 1997. Speaking before the National Council of La Raza, Zedillo went on to say, "For this reason, my government proposed a constitutional amendment to allow any Mexican with the right and the desire to acquire another nationality to do so without being forced to first give up his or her Mexican nationality." This amendment is significant for more than just the obvious reason. It is nearly impossible to obtain Mexican citizenship unless you can prove you are Mexican or are of Mexican descent. If you are neither, you must prove that you have completely adopted Mexican culture and lifestyle. Yet a Mexican citizen can, in essence, acquire another nationality and remain a Mexican. Is this a double standard? Glenn Spencer, president of Voice of Citizens Together and radio talk show host of American Patrol Report, thinks so. But he thinks there's something more sinister to the Mexican president's decree than one might think. "This is an invasion of the United States in a very classic way with all of the classic objectives of an invasion without using bullets," Spencer said. Spencer added he believed Mexico is allowing this so that those people with dual citizenship may vote in the interest of Mexico in the United States. The ultimate goal of this invasion, Spencer contends, is to reclaim the American Southwest - an area including California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and parts of Colorado and Texas. Known as Aztlan by Hispanic activists, these states make up what used to be Mexican territory before treaties and wars gave the land to the United States. Some Hispanic activists deny that there is any sort of organized effort to take over these states and reclaim it for Mexico. However, Jose Pescador Osuna, who was once the Mexican consul general in Los Angeles, has been quoted on the record as saying, "Even though I'm saying this part serious and part joking, I believe we are practicing 'La Reconquista' in California." "La Reconquista" means "the reconquest" and refers to the taking over of the U.S. Southwest. Osuna now is an agent of the Mexican government and works for migration in Mexico City. Even though these statements have been made on American soil, Mario Obledo of the California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations said the "radical" Aztlan movement died in the 1960s. Obledo, a resident of Sacramento, Calif., explained that his organization tries to secure the civil rights of Mexican-Americans "and others similarly situated." Although claiming a profound faith in America, he's also proud of the fact that the majority of Californians in the next few years will be Hispanic. "California is going to be a Hispanic state," Obledo said. "Anyone who doesn 't like it should leave." Obledo further added: "Every constitutional office in California is going to be held by Hispanics in the next 20 years. It's a fact of life. That's all. All of those propositions - 187, 209, and whatever - is a backlash due to the insecurities of the majority population. That's all. But all those measures are going to be reversed one of these days." Proposition 187 was the California initiative supported by a majority of Californians that denied taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens. Proposition 209 was another initiative supported by a majority of Californians that banned affirmative action, that is, prohibited preferential treatment in the work place and public schools and universities. Speaking at a Latino gathering in response to Proposition 187's passage in 1995, Art Torres, the chairman of the California Democratic Party, said: "Power is not given to you. You have to take it. Remember, 187 is the last gasp of white America in California." But if Mexico is to reclaim the U.S. Southwest, how will it be done? Spencer believes that with the increasing unrest along the U.S.-Mexican border, the U.S. Border Patrol will eventually become overwhelmed, requiring the U.S. Army to take action. With increasing unrest and military presence all along the border, the current border will be erased and a new border zone stretching 150 miles from the current border into the United States will be put in place. Although this may sound impossible, President Clinton has already issued an executive order that could put such a border zone in place. Executive Order 13122, signed by the president May 25, 1999, established an Interagency Task Force on the Economic Development of the Southwest Border. The purpose of the task force is to "coordinate and better leverage existing Administration efforts for the Southwest Border, in concert with locally led efforts to increase the living standards and the overall economic profile of the Southwest Border so that it may achieve the average of the Nation." Down toward the bottom of the executive order, it adds, "The Southwest Border or Southwest Border region is defined as including the areas up to 150 miles north of the United States-Mexican border in the States of Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and California." Spencer believes this inclusion in the executive order is little more than a mechanism of NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) to erase the border by creating a border "zone" instead of a border line. "It's an attempt to gradually erase the border," Spencer said. Spencer has been speaking about his scenario of an "Aztlan invasion" on the radio for some time now, and it has drawn considerable attention, including death threats. Referring to a banner he saw at California State University, Northridge that read "Aztlan Graduation," Spencer concluded: "This is an invasion of the United States. I believe it's going to end up in a war, and I believe it's going to be so much worse because Clinton has sold us down the river." [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: YES- I knew it, I knew it, ...... I just knew it..... (fwd) Date: 07 Jun 2000 14:00:43 PST Allright ladies, no more of that Feminist visual assault trash, it's a health matter! On Jun 7, Bruce Chesley wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Works for me;-))))) Bruce Chesley Truth is a terrible cross to bear. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.". Thomas Paine Treason for $$$: ccrkba, jpfo, leaa, nra, saf. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Finially an exercise men will do without hesitation and as regularly as possible. I'm gonna live to 150. This news is almost as good as Red Wine lowering cholesterol. From the New England Journal of Medicine: Great news for girl watchers (Cardiff & Co) Ogling over women's breasts is good for a man's health and can add years to his life, medical experts have discovered. According to the New England Journal of Medicine, "Just 10 minutes of staring at the charms of a well-endowed female is roughly equivalent to a 30-minute aerobics work-out," declared gerontologist Dr. Karen Weatherby. Dr. Weatherby and fellow researchers at three hospitals in Frankfurt, Germany, reached the startling conclusion after comparing the health of 200 male outpatients - half of whom were instructed to look at busty females daily, the other half told to refrain from doing so. The study revealed that after five years, the chest-watchers had lower blood pressure, slower resting pulse rates and fewer instances of coronary artery disease. "Sexual excitement gets the heart pumping and improves blood circulation," explains Dr. Weatherby. "There is no question: Gazing at breasts makes men healthier." "Our study indicates that engaging in this activity a few minutes daily cuts the risk of stroke and heart attack in half. We believe that by doing so consistently, the average man can extend his life four to five years." [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Libraries don't censor, do they?... (fwd) Date: 07 Jun 2000 13:57:45 PST The war on another front..... On Jun 7, House, David Alan wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ...or, ALA and libraries have identity crisis. "The message of Banned Books Week is more than the freedom to choose or the freedom to express one's opinion even if that opinion might be considered unorthodox or unpopular. The essential message of Banned Books Week is the importance of ensuring the availability of those unorthodox or unpopular viewpoints to all who wish to read them." We've heard plenty lately about the ALA and attendant lackeys who have decided entirely out of hand, (re: recent C-Span face off), that libraries cannot be required to restrict access to pornographic and weapon instruction web sites, since that might represent a loss of freedom of speech, regardless of the age of the viewer. Well here is at least one example that one library does indeed qualify their exercise of 'freedom of speech'. I would be interested in learning just how widespread such an attitude is. Please, for my benefit only if for no other reason, call your local library and ask them if they have this book or would consider adding it if offered as a gift. I will be doing the same as soon as my local library opens its doors today. Private responses on this will be highly appreciated! If you want an eye-opener, try reading from the following link; http://www.ala.org/bbooks/challeng.html Two brief quotes; "Books usually are challenged with the best intentions-to protect others, frequently children, from difficult ideas and information." ... "Throughout history, more and different kinds of people and groups of all persuasions than you might first suppose, who, for all sorts of reasons, have attempted-and continue to attempt-to suppress anything that conflicts with or anyone who disagrees with their own beliefs." The Library Association itself, according to the article, is materially involved in this issue, is guilty of violating its own preferences, and must in all honesty add itself as a censor. Both the ALA and the library, noted in the article below, is guilty of, in the definition of the ALA, a 'challenge' to the book by Grant. i.e.; "A challenge is an attempt to remove or restrict materials, based upon the objections of a person or group. A banning is the removal of those materials. Challenges do not simply involve a person expressing a point of view; rather, they are an attempt to remove material from the curriculum or library, thereby restricting the access of others. The positive message of Banned Books Week: Free People Read Freely is that due to the commitment of librarians, teachers, parents, students and other concerned citizens, most challenges are unsuccessful and most materials are retained in the school curriculum or library collection. " If you would like to file an ALA provided 'Challenge Database Form' in order to report the intent to restrict and remove this material, use the following web site. If you need it sent to you, contact me. It is also available in Adobe Acrobat '.pdf' format at the web site. http://www.ala.org/alaorg/oif/chall.html "To report a challenge, please print the Challenge Database Form, complete it, and fax it to Beverley Becker, associate director of the Office for Intellectual Freedom, at 312-280-4227. For assistance with actual and possible challenges to books, Internet access, magazines, and other library materials, you also may contact Beverley Becker at 800-545-2433, ext. 4221, or bbecker@ala.org" Pursuing this action, particularly in a massive manner, cannot help but bring this to the attention of the decision makers, as they will have to consider it as a candidate for the 'banned books' list. "Whatever the censor's motives, attempts to suppress certain library materials may also stem from a confused understanding of the role of the library and of the rights of other library users. The censor's concern about library materials is based upon a view of the library as an important social institution. But the censor may fail to see that the library fulfills its obligations to the community it serves by providing materials presenting all points of view and that it is not the function of the library to screen materials according to arbitrary standards of acceptability. Would-be censors may think that it is the role of the library to support certain values or causes-which are, of course, their values and their causes." It seems to me that the ALA and supportive libraries are suffering 'from a confused understanding of the role of the library and of the rights of other library users'. In this case, the libraries are the ones who are the 'would-be censors' referred to. In my opinion, they are long overdue for a revamp of their mission statement and what might constitute a reasonable access to information which can be, and is commonly, misused by those of insufficient emotional maturity. This of course opens another huge can of worms, but our society needs desperately to put this topic into the public debate. David housed@indiana.edu Source: WorldNet Daily; June 6, 2000 Toledo Library Censors Pro-Life Book on Planned Parenthood Toledo, OH -- A Toledo, Ohio, family is looking for answers after officials at the Toledo-Lucas County Public Library rejected their pro-life book donation for being "too political." Dean and Melanie Witt, regular library patrons, submitted the book in question, "Killer Angel," George Grant's critical biography of Planned Parenthood's founder, Margaret Sanger, after they discovered that none of the nearly two dozen books on Sanger held by the library mentioned her racist views or her association with high-ranking Nazi eugenics officials. Melanie Witt said that she had donated the books (two copies) to help promote an academic balance to the library's weighted collection on the topic. "We purchased the books ourselves and didn't ask them to remove anything from the library. We just thought that they at least ought to be providing another perspective," she said. Officials at the library initially accepted Grant's biography, but central office staff intervened and rejected the book donation. Anthony Schafer, manager of the library's history, travel and biography travel section, said in a letter to the Witts that "the author's political and social agenda, which is strongly espoused throughout the book, is not appropriate." The Witts have sent several letters to library officials asking for clarification of the library's selection criteria, but have yet to receive a response. Call to Clyde Scoles, director of the Toledo library, for comment on this story were not returned. George Grant, who has co-authored books with pro-life Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and presidential candidate Alan Keyes and has more than 70 books in publication, rejects the notion that the Sanger biography is too political. "I find it odd that when it comes down to my research or other biographies that fawn over Sanger and neglect her racist ideology, I'm the one painted as driving a political agenda," he said. The American Library Association, which ironically co-sponsors the annual "Banned Books Week" in defense of prohibited literature, has stepped into the debate -- throwing its support behind the library's decision to ban Grant's book. Judith Krug, director of the ALA's Office of Intellectual Freedom, said libraries should be able to deny book gifts and librarians given wide discretion in determining what materials are included in the library's collection. When asked whether that view conflicted with the ALA's stand against book banning, Krug replied that the organization's policy only applies to books that have passed librarian muster. When told of the ALA's stand on the controversy, Grant responded, "Their position is simply Orwellian. In the name of intellectual freedom, they man the barricades anytime someone suggests the removal of child pornography from a library, but if anything conflicts with their political agenda, then censorship imposed by the library hierarchy is completely acceptable. They're encouraging libraries to set up their own Politburo to test books for political correctness." The Toledo library may be violating its own policies in rejecting Grant's book. The library's material selection statement (adopted in 1972) states, "the Library collection shall include representative materials of all races and nationalities, and all political, religious, economic and social views." While Grant said that his work is permissible under that criterion, he isn't surprised at the Toledo library's reaction to his book. "Any discussion regarding her racist intentions in founding Planned Parenthood have to be quickly put down," Grant indicated. Grant's book states that prior to World War II, Sanger was fairly outspoken about her views on other races. The book cites a 1939 proposal for Sanger's "Negro Project," a plan developed at the behest of public health officials in southern states, where she writes, "the most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the Minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." The book also documents her plans to set up birth-control clinics in poor New York City neighborhoods to target "Blacks, Hispanics, Slavs, Amerinds, Fundamentalists, Jews and Catholics." Also noted in the book is Sanger's close association with Ernst Rudin, who served as Hitler's director of genetic sterilization. An April 1933 article by Rudin, entitled "Eugenic Sterilization: An Urgent Need," for Sanger's monthly magazine, "The Birth Control Review," detailed the establishment of the Nazi Society for Racial Hygiene and advocated its replication in the United States. A subsequent article by Leon Whitney published the following June by Sanger, entitled "Selective Sterilization," praises and defends the Third Reich's pre-holocaust "race purification" program. After the war had concluded and Nazi atrocities came to light, Sanger quickly changed the name of her organization from the Birth Control League to Planned Parenthood -- to distance herself from her earlier Nazi associations. Grant says that he doesn't expect his book will be the last to be censored by librarians motivated by political agendas. "We can expect more of this behavior," he said. "Their views are becoming so unpopular that they are having to turn to outright totalitarian tactics and coercive taxpayer funding to plug the holes in the ship to keep their agenda afloat." In an odd twist, another of Grant's books, "Grand Illusions: The Legacy of Planned Parenthood," now in its fourth edition, is the single best-selling book, either pro or con, on the organization. Melanie Witt's fight with the library has left her distrustful of the library's objectivity. "We are forced to pay for this library through our property and sales taxes," she said. "It is unconscionable that taxpayers have to foot the bill for them to exercise their brand of censorship. It's a breach of the public trust." ACTION: Send your objections to the Toledo-Lucas County Public Library, 325 Michigan Street, Toledo, OH 43624; Phone (419) 259-5381; Fax: (419) 474-1387 PURCHASE GRANT'S BOOK: You can purchase Grand Illusions: The Legacy of Planned Parenthood at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1888306521/roevwade26yearof/103-02105 85-6683819 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Without history, we are lost. (fwd) Date: 08 Jun 2000 11:32:54 PST On Jun 08, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] RKBA Defenders, I stumbled across this link in the course of a related search. No doubt we are all aware of the disinformation regarding the Constitution and the Second Amendment put out by the Leftist media and in government schools. They know that if they can cut us off from our past, our rights under the Constitution are left defenseless. We may be too strong for them, so our children are the targets. Although from the 1994-1995 time-frame, this link is heartwarming in at least two ways: 1) It shows how schoolchildren were taught of the Battle at Lexington Green and were involved in its reenactment; 2) Anyone who has had their child, grandchild, niece or nephew in a play... well, you know... In Liberty, Rick V. http://hastings.ci.lexington.ma.us/Colonial/TheBattle/TheBattle.html -- http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/iurist The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fratrum] [Fwd: [LPA] Ron Paul] (fwd) Date: 08 Jun 2000 11:34:47 PST On Jun 07, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Wanted to pass this on, it's an "alert" from Ron Paul. Matthew A. Givens June 7, 2000 Dear friend of liberty, 1. During a seven-day period in February, over 12,000 of you expressed your opposition to the creation of a "uniform health identifier" to the Department of Health and Human Services. We must now express the same opposition to the U.S. House. Why? Because even after receiving so many comments, either by design or by accident, language that would have prohibited the establishment of a "uniform health identifier" was left out of the Labor-HHS appropriations bill (where it belongs). That restrictive language must now be added to that bill if the establishment of a "uniform health identifier" is to be stopped. As early as this afternoon, but no later than tomorrow morning, Congressman Ron Paul will introduce an amendment to the Labor-HHS appropriations bill to remind Congress of your objections and redress the omission. Congressman Paul, who is a practicing physician, stated in a letter released today, "As an OB/GYN with more than 30 years experience in private practice, I know better than most the importance of preserving the sanctity of the physician-patient relationship. Oftentimes, effective treatment depends on a patient's ability to place absolute trust in his or her doctor. What happens to that trust when patients know any and all information given to their doctor will be placed in a data base accessible by anyone who knows the patient's 'unique personal identifier?'" Please urge your U.S. representative today to support the PAUL AMENDMENT TO LABOR-HHS APPROPRIATIONS. You can write to your representative by going to http://www.libertystudy.org and clicking on Communicate at the top of the page. There's also a phone directory available in case you want to call instead. **This morning, we faxed a one-page appeal for support of the Paul amendment to each of the 435 U.S. House members. To read what we sent, please go to http://www.libertystudy.org/060700First. 2. A bill (H.R. 8 - The Death Tax Elimination Act) to repeal the death tax will be voted on by the U.S. House Thursday or Friday. This bill has very good support with 244 House cosponsors. However, the Washington Post, in its lead editorial this morning, called for the bill's defeat. Some members of Congress will try to defeat the bill at the last minute. President Clinton has already said he would veto the bill if passed. This bill, therefore, will need a two-thirds majority to become law. A husband and wife works a lifetime to provide for their family and build a small business or family farm with the hope of passing it on to their children; but it only takes the federal bureaucracy a few minutes to take 55% of that family business upon the death of those Americans who believed in the American Dream. Please urge your U.S. representative to support H.R. 8 - The Death Tax Elimination Act by going to http://www.libertystudy.org and clicking on Communicate at the top of the page. **Today, we faxed a one-page appeal for support of H.R. 8 to each of the 435 U.S. House members. To read what we sent, please go to http://www.libertystudy.org/060700Second. Kent Snyder The Liberty Study Committee To contribute to the Liberty Study Committee, please go to http:///www.libertystudy.org and click on Contribute at the top of the page. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: DOCS SHOW CLINTON COLLABORATED WITH CUBA (fwd) Date: 08 Jun 2000 20:33:50 PST On Jun 8, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] From the Home of Rich & Peggy Martin Grand Prairie, TX 75050 RichSlick@aol.com It's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice.=20 _______________________________________________=20 INTRODUCTORY COMMENTARY =20=20 Perhaps you think Elian shouldn't be allowed to go back to a nation ruled by the evil Fidel Castro. But you know, Bill Clinton is not up for sainthood. Matter of fact, they seem to be taking orders from the same boss. Rich Martin Editor of Slick ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE June 7, 2000 Contact: Richard Tomkins (202) 646-5172=20 =20=20 DOCUMENTS SHOW CLINTON ADMINISTRATION =91COLLABORATED'=20 WITH CUBA ON ELIAN GONZALEZ=20 =20=20 Documents Also Show INS' Doris Meissner Orchestrated Grandmothers=20 Visit and Knew Eleventh Circuit Would Not Revoke Miami Relatives'=20 Custody of Elian =20=20 INS Documents Were Turned Over to Judicial Watch Under Court Order=20 =20=20 (Washington, DC) Some Clinton-Gore Administration documents uncovered=20 by Judicial Watch, Inc. in its lawsuits show that the Clinton-Gore=20 Administration "collaborated" with Cuba on the Elian Gonzalez matter.=20 Other documents show that Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)=20 Commissioner Doris Meissner planned the January, 2000 visit of the=20 Elian's grandmothers in consultation with Cuba and that INS knew that=20 they could not seize Elian without a court order. Meissner also sought=20 to hide the INS' role in orchestrating the Cuban grandmothers' visit.=20 Copies of these documents are available at Judicial Watch's Internet=20 site at www.judicialwatch.org. =20=20 The documents were turned over to Judicial Watch recently by the=20 Clinton-Gore Justice Department as part of its Freedom of Information=20 Act (FOIA) lawsuit against the Justice Department and INS to obtain=20 underlying information on the Elian Gonzalez saga. A federal court=20 judge appointed by President Clinton, James Robertson, ordered that=20 the Justice Department begin turning over the documents to Judicial=20 Watch on April 26, 2000. =20=20 Thus far, the Clinton-Gore Administration has turned over approximately=20 3,000 documents, with thousands more expected. The Administration=20 continues to withhold hundreds more, redacting pages in their entirety.=20 Many of the documents, which have been reviewed by Judicial Watch, bear=20 directly on the current court battles over Elian's asylum petitions=20 and may have changed the early outcome of the case if they had been=20 made public sooner.=20 =20=20 "These =91smoking gun' documents help prove what we've suspected =96 that= =20 the Clinton-Gore Administration was doing the bidding of Fidel Castro=20 when they raided the Gonzalez home using 151 armed federal agents,"=20 stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. =20=20 Judicial Watch is a public interest law firm that investigates and=20 prosecutes government corruption. >> [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: >The Drug War's Unequal Justice Date: 09 Jun 2000 02:39:21 -0700 This is by Arianna Huffington. >The Drug War's Unequal Justice Filed June 8, 2000 Throughout the 20th century, which saw more than its share of inhumanity, the most common excuse about why such things were allowed to happen was `= `We didn't know.'' Well, after the report that Human Rights Watch released Thursday (June 8), we will no longer be able to use ignorance to shield u= s from the reality of the racial injustice being perpetrated every day in America in the name of the drug war -- completely ignored by national political leaders and barely acknowledged by the media. The report, ``Punishment and Prejudice: Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs,'' features a groundbreaking state-by-state analysis of the role ra= ce and drugs play in prison admissions. When 10 states -- including Illinois= , Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio and West Virginia -- send black men to prison = on drug charges at a rate 27 to 57 times higher than white men, how can we continue to boast about our ``equal protection under the law'' when it's = so obviously not true for so many people? The cookie-cutter excuse is that t= he unequal sentencing reflects an unequal use of drugs. Well, that excuse ha= s also expired -- in fact, five times as many whites use drugs as blacks, y= et 62 percent of drug offenders sent to state prisons nationwide are black. = In certain states, that number climbs to an almost unbelievable 90 percent. = So much for equal protection. But the depth of this tragedy cannot be adequately communicated through statistics -- no matter how outrageous. It can only be conveyed through t= he personal stories of what this injustice has wrought not only on the nonviolent offenders but on their families and especially their children. Groups like Families Against Mandatory Minimums, Family Watch and the November Coalition perform a great public service by putting flesh and bl= ood on the statistics. ``Dear judge, I need my mom. Would you help my mom,'' reads a note writte= n in the 9-year-old scrawl of Phillip Gaines, just before his mother was sentenced to nearly 20 years after associates of her crack-dealing former boyfriend testified against her in exchange for lighter sentences. ``My birthday's comeing up in October the 25 and I need my mom to be here on t= he 25 and for the rest of my life. I will cut your grass and wash your car everyday just don't send my mom off. Please please please don't!=A1'' Phi= llip is only one of an estimated 1.5 million children who currently have a par= ent in jail. Sharvone McKinnon is another African-American mother whose boyfriend -- i= n her case, an abusive crack dealer who threatened to kill her if she left him -- helped land her in jail. She's also a particularly chilling case study of the madness our drug laws have led to: a nonviolent, first-time offender sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole fo= r conspiracy to distribute cocaine -- even though the government concedes s= he played only a tangential role and never actually used or sold drugs. But such are our draconian drug laws that even the least-culpable member of a ``conspiracy'' can be saddled with the most egregious acts of all the oth= er conspirators. So based on the testimony of three of her 31 co-defendants that she was present at a single ``organizational meeting'' of her boyfriend's drug ring -- testimony that earned the trio serious sentence reductions -- this 34-year-old mother, a gainfully employed school-bus driver at the time of her arrest, will now spend the rest of her life in prison (at a cost to taxpayers of approximately $21,000 per year). I don'= t know about you, but I feel a whole lot safer. ``One of the problems of our justice system,'' a U.S. District Court judg= e told me, ``is that the government is settling for very small fish that ar= e easy to catch and easy to punish. The big ones aren't being pursued.'' Indeed, the inequality of the legal representation available to most poor defendants makes further mockery of the promise of equal justice for all. The silence of both major parties and their nominees on this widespread injustice is the starkest example of the bankruptcy of the two-party syst= em. Even the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who has endorsed Al Gore and will be campaigning for him, is not pulling his punches. ``On this matter,'' he t= old me, ``we have one party with two names, or two parties with one assumptio= n. The assumption is that these lives can be thrown away. The change we seek can only come outside the two parties. In the same way that it took a movement to bring about the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, i= t's going to take a movement to put an end to this tragic undermining of hard-fought civil rights victories.'' The Human Rights Watch report makes it impossible for our leaders to clai= m they didn't know. Now it's up to us to demand some answers and an end to = the inhumanity. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Rosie vs. Reality: What every woman must know (from JPFO) (fwd) Date: 10 Jun 2000 00:23:23 PST On Jun 9, The McGehee Zone wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 11:35 AM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization Rosie vs. Reality: What Every Woman Must Know By Richard W. Stevens Suppose a Hollywood star or a political figure publicly announced that he or she favored making all women and families helpless and defenseless against vicious thugs. Would women cheer and vow their undying support for that person? Yet if you believe the published polls and the media news showmen, then it's true: women actually want to be defenseless. Many women don't want to be able to protect themselves or their families from crazies, druggies, violent ex-boyfriends, rapists, home invaders and stalkers. What's more, these women want to prevent other women from protecting themselves, too. When some women say they want more "gun control," they are actually saying they want to make it harder for peace-loving women to obtain personal and home defense tools. All current and proposed "gun laws" work to discourage firearm ownership. Except for the shall-issue concealed carry rules in some states, none of the "gun laws" does anything to help an endangered woman obtain a firearm and learn how best to use it for self-defense. Facts About Self-Defense For the woman who values the safety of herself and her family, a firearm can be literally a lifesaver. Here are the facts: Americans use firearms to protect themselves over 5,000 times per day -- that's over 3 defensive uses every minute. Over 500 women use firearms to defend themselves against sexual assault or abuse each day -- that's one woman protected every 3 minutes. In over 92% of defensive gun use cases, the victim brandished the firearm arm or fired a warning shot only -- no wounding or killing was involved. Research has shown it is safer to defend against violent attack using a firearm than to resist with other means such as wielding knives, hitting back, or running away. National Safety Council data for 1995 show the number of accidental deaths involving firearms misuse are far less than those resulting from accidents involving falls, poison, drowning and fires. This is especially true for children age 14 and under. Regional and national studies confirm that criminals avoid targets (men, women, homes, buildings) where the potential victims might be armed. Bottom line: Armed citizens are safer. Facts About Government-ordered Protection What can the anti-self defense lobby and the government offer to protect women? Let's check the options: Options Dangerous realities Dial 911 / call police (1) Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim (2) 95% of the time police arrive too late to prevent a crime or arrest the suspect Cell phone 911 (1) In over 90% of U.S., technology does not give dispatcher the location of caller (who might be lost or unable to explain) (2) Worthless if phone or cell don't function at the time Restraining/Protective Orders (1) 75% of orders are violated (2) Police often won't enforce unless they witness the violation (3) An order is a piece of paper ... "Gun control" laws Disarm victims, have no effect on criminals. User-restricted firearms (1) Mandatory trigger locks slow down the defender only, not the attacker. (2) Electronic restriction chip can fail / battery can die. Tell Women The Truth Don't ask women whether they favor more "gun control" laws. Ask them instead: "do you favor laws that prevent women from protecting themselves and their families from violent criminals?" Women need to understand that the real issue is self-defense. Every three minutes there is a woman defending herself with a sidearm. Violence against women is immoral, illegal and intolerable. That's why it's wrong to disarm women and leave them defenseless against predators. To bring this point home, JPFO has a nationwide billboard campaign with a matching funds program to get local people involved. The theme: Rapists love trigger locks. These billboards show exactly how crucial a defensive firearm is for women. Get involved today by calling (800) 869-1884 or (262) 673-9745. See the billboard at http://www.jpfo.org/billboard-2.htm Ask about JPFO's all-new myth-busting booklet "Can Gun Control Make You Safer?" 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The Clintonoids should *really* have known better than to try to drag Ms. Coulter into their abattoir. Kevin McGehee Thomas Crossroads, GA stormrider@mcgeheezone.com http://www.McGeheeZone.com/ --... ...-- -.. . -.- .-.. ----- - -.-- Vegetarians -- the other white meat. ============================================= I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT MAN by Ann Coulter June 08, 2000 I wish I had the sex life that Talk/Miramax Books author John Connolly fantasizes for me. In the Clinton-era version of the Pentagon Papers case, cyberstud Matt Drudge has obtained a draft manuscript of Connolly's book on the sex lives of Clinton's critics. Miramax has evidently been funding Connolly's flights around the country, his stays at fancy hotels, and his hiring of at least one private investigator -- all to investigate the sex lives of various random individuals whose only common trait is that we probably didn't vote for Clinton. On the basis of the excerpts about me, I'd just like to say I'm looking forward to owning Miramax if it ever publishes any of this. Among other things, Connolly accuses me of having trysts with "playboy" Geraldo Rivera at his "oceanfront retreat in New Jersey." ("Oh Geraldo," I moaned, "there is no protective function privilege!") But the thing is, Geraldo is not like Clinton. From what I've heard of Geraldo's printed oeuvre, he brags about what Clinton lies about. Connolly inexplicably fails to account for the absence of published reports about my sexual tryst with Geraldo within 48 hours of its occurrence. (The sad truth is, my affair with Geraldo at his "oceanfront retreat" was compromised by the presence of my brother, Mrs. Rivera and several other guests.) Everyone in Connolly's book who is not accused of having an affair with Geraldo is said to be gay, from Ken Starr to Justice Kennedy, Starr's staffers, various of the elves, and random Republicans having nothing to do with impeachment. (Who would have guessed that my association with Geraldo would end up saving my reputation?) In the Clintonian world, if no one's accused you of rape lately, you must be gay. Connolly's theory apparently is that Starr hired several of Kennedy's clerks, and what the hell would a prosecutor want with a bunch of former Supreme Court clerks -- unless (!) there was some sick sexual game afoot ... QED. Indeed, sex is Connolly's theory for all human interactions. After going on in unseemly detail about what in delicate society would be called my "figure," Connolly segues to my sexual tryst with Geraldo by stating "this fact has not been lost on TV personality and all-around playboy Geraldo Rivera." So basically anyone who has ever been alone with my breasts is either having sex with me or is gay. Starr hires Kennedy's clerks because they're gay. (I wonder what Connolly thinks Clinton got Buddy for?) You have to say, Clinton has given the right wing a reputation for having extremely active sex lives. First Henry Hyde then Newt Gingrich, and now it turns out the rest of us are all gay (or are having an affair with Geraldo Rivera). On the basis of Connolly's book, conservatives should claim to represent the gay movement and start issuing a whole new set of demands. The current position of Talk/Miramax Books is that this manuscript is a purloined draft of Connolly's book, not in final form. (Talk/Miramax is also threatening to sue the masterful Drudge -- but see the Pentagon Papers.) I'm afraid, however, that once they take out the libel and laughably false stories, Connolly doesn't have enough left over even for a short pamphlet -- and a pamphlet written by an illiterate moron at that. In his typically incomprehensible prose, Connolly calls me a "self-appointed political analyst." Do they give "political analyst" degrees somewhere I'm unaware of? Even within the construct of his own lunatic fantasies, Connolly can't get his story straight. In one paragraph, he claims that I, along with Linda Tripp lawyer Jim Moody, wildly made duplicate copies of her tapes one night while having cocktails (and presumably sex with Geraldo Rivera). But then in the very next paragraph he describes how Moody later had to retrieve a tape from Starr's prosecutors (evidently on a break from their incessant sodomic practices) to play it for a Newsweek reporter. I hate to break the flow right when I'm enjoying such a rich and exciting social life, but if we had this cache of duplicate Tripp tapes, then why did Moody need to get a tape back from Starr's office? (And perhaps more urgently: Why didn't I air-drop those duplicate tapes across America immediately -- as I can assure you I would have.) Connolly may be the only man in America who doesn't know what really happened that night, which has been faithfully reported in, among other places, the Starr report, Michael Isikoff's book and various newspapers and magazines. Michel Montaigne said, "He who has not a good memory should never take upon him the trade of lying." Connolly can't even remember what he wrote in the last sentence. You know -- the part just after I was moaning something about the inviolability of immunity agreements. ©2000 Universal Press, Inc. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: I don't have enough time (fwd) Date: 10 Jun 2000 11:32:57 PST On Jun 10, Odell Harwell wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Friends, This pretty much sums up most Americans. It's all about priorities and what you want to leave your children and grandchildren. It does indeed take time to learn what's happening and it does take time to contact lawmakers. And, it takes time to educate other Americans. Where are your priorities? Jim Hardin "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." ~~ Edmund Burke Please do your part (whatever you determine that is)! Text below is slightly altered from an article at http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com ~geo "I don't have enough time" Syndrome by Angel Shamaya Director, KeepAndBearArms.com We've all used the statement "I don't have enough time" at one time or another. Some people use it as a mantra--a regularly repeated statement which magically aides Avoidance. Let's address the reality of the issue from a few different perspectives and see if we can yield some new and different thinking. At issue is not whether or not we will reclaim America; the question is how quickly we can do it. Because the "I don't have enough time" phenomenon seems to be such a convenient out for so many gun owners, somebody needs to say something. Might as well be me, and might as well be now. First, let's nail down some facts. Each of us has 24 hours in each day. If you know how I can get more, please let me know. Each of us has things we "have to" do. They include family obligations, eating, sleeping, bathing, and earning a living. Each of us has choices on a menu of how to invest our extra time. (Notice I didn't say "spend"; when you spend something, it is gone. Investing time produces a yield, just like when you invest money.) Each of us has priorities on how we choose to invest our precious extra time. These are the facts. Irrefutable, non-negotiable, unarguable. What really comes to bear on the "I don't have enough time" excuse, then, is a set of priorities. We each prioritize differently, and we each make our own choices about what comes first on our menu of options. It is true that more people--Defenders of Liberty--are needed to win back our America. Tens of thousands of us are working regularly, most of us daily, to stop the assault on our rights. And we require assistance--help from freedom-loving citizens in our mutually-beneficial cause. So how could we prioritize a bit more time to assure our own and future generations can live in a free America? What menu options could we shift around a bit in our busy lives to find some extra time to pitch in for the cause of freedom? How can we help, and do more? Let me tell you some of the places where I DO NOT WASTE TIME. 1) Television comes on when I want to check the spin the news-whores are putting on my rights. I don't waste one second, ever, watching some dimwit sitcom void of any redeeming social or moral value. It has been rumored that the average American sits in front of a television set 4 hours a day. What they are putting into their minds that is more important than America is beyond me. Our priorities are just different. If I thought I could contribute to the restoration of the American Republic by listening to a bunch of socialists and communists speak to me through their daily broadcasts of mental clutter, I would bow to the altar of the TV Gods and pay homage to the morons on TV. 2) It has been suggested that some people sit at their computers for hours playing games. While there are most certainly some games that increase mental acuity and physical mastery, many of them are merely for entertainment value. How endless hours of entertainment are more important than American Freedom is puzzling. Ponderous. If I thought that devoting my time to mastering electronic games would rescue America, I would be striving for a National Championship at the Nintendo finals. 3) Reading is something I do a great deal of, every day. 98% of what I read is online, and I limit what I read to things that will forward our Mission or further my knowledge of something that will forward our Mission. The exception comes regarding humor. I do make sure to access a few BRIEF things that make me laugh. I do this because I find laughter most useful in my bid to stay balanced so I can get more work done. I no longer read fiction unless it is related in some way to the emancipation of America, and then only sparingly. Reading a "romance novel" (or whatever marketing title now given to stories of phony lives of make-believe people) has no place in my life. How people can value reading someone else's fantasies as more worthy than investing time liberating our country is beyond me. I prioritize one second helping to save my nation over all mental masturbation. If I believed reading "love" stories would make the communists in America stop harming my brothers and sisters with their misguided, treasonous laws, I would read each new novel that came out and build web sites to promote the same. 4) Watching sports is something I might remember to do at a Super Bowl or a World Series, but I usually forget. There are people who just read that line and reduced their respect for me by half. They believe that sports are the ultimate thing to get "into", that the quarterback of the day is God II, and that knowing every sports score and statistic since before they were born is an attribute that will get them into the Pearly Gates. How they can believe sports are of greater import than stopping the legistraitors who are making the work of rapists and murderers easier is beyond me; we just have different priorities. I prioritize the liberty of US citizens above the latest touchdown, homerun, or 3 pt. shot at the buzzer. If I thought watching guys pat each others' butts on national television while they beat the snot out of each other to carry a ball back and forth across a field would save my country, I would watch faithfully, every day, memorize every stat I could find, and probably join a few clubs devoted to promoting sports. 5) I am aware of other things our citizens prize above the safety and future viability of the United States of America. Chit chat for hours over the latest gossip about so-and-so, banter back and forth through email about this or that, scouring the web for the latest blah blah blah, reading up on Idol #79843, study of the latest gadget to help make yada-yada easier, etc. etc., ad nauseum. If I thought any of these things would help save this country from the tyrants who are deeply, personally committed to developing America into a Police State, I assure you; I would be sucking them all up like the vast majority of Americans seem to be doing. But these time investments are only serving to further engulf America into an abyss from which the only return is civil war. If we who work for Freedom had to do this all by ourselves, we would. But we will succeed much faster when the members of the Sleeping Class wake up and pitch in. The big question is: how can we let people know it's time to divert some time away from their "important" activities and get them to help us save this country? Angel Shamaya is the Executive Director of KeepAndBearArms.com, an internet grassroots organization dedicated to stopping the assault on American Liberty being perpetrated by political tyrants, self-proclaimed television gurus, misguided mothers, history-ignorant sheeple, and the general lack of understanding of the fundamental right to Keep And Bear Arms. Reprint permission granted provided attribution is given including the following link: http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: Third party voting Date: 10 Jun 2000 18:09:06 -0700 This is from www.Etherzone.com If freedom and the Constitution are your primary concern, the Libertarian Party is the only vehicle. Lew THIRD PARTY VOTING ANYTHING BUT... WASTING YOUR VOTE By: William Kaliher and Susan Haughton So you think voting third party is a wasted vote? Think for a moment and recall what Clinton's main issue was in the 1992 and 1996 campaigns. Well, that may be tough, but perhaps Bush or Senator Dole's main issue will easily come to mind? It is amazing that politically involved Americans such as those reading this article probably can't recall what the main presidential candidates claimed they'd work for? It may mean you threw away your vote if you voted for them. Then again, perhaps you didn't believe their promises anyway so they were delegated to short term memory. That's not the case with Ross Perot and the Reform party. Perot and the third party voters were concerned with the national debt and the budget. There were so many reform party voters the two main parties had to react. The national debt and budget, virtually never mentioned in earlier elections, were suddenly hot items and important. It led to the two main parties passing a balanced budget. The deficit was even mentioned in both party's 2000 primaries. Obviously, the balanced budget bill isn't perfect and professional politicians in both parties were planning ways to get around it as they passed it. Still, it was a step in the right direction and it was a direct result of the voters who refused to throw their votes away. The third party voters shook the main parties into taking action. The wasted vote theory can work even in a primary. Ironically, those that throw around the "You're wasting your vote if you vote for this candidate who doesn't have a chance," are in reality the very voters who throw away their votes time after time. In the recent Republican primary many anti-abortion Republicans thought they had to have a winner at any cost. Like sheep they listened to the party machine and although preferring another candidate cast their vote for Mr. G. W. Bush. First the argument was we have to have a winner, then the argument, we have to stop the liberal John McCain. It didn't matter that John McCain had a much longer and better record on conservative issues than Mr. Bush, it was necessary to cast him in that light to ensure a Bush candidacy. However, the Republicans who supported McCain didn't waste or throw away their vote. Bush has to take the McCain voters seriously, He has to reinforce his dedication to the military and veterans and address campaign reform. The McCain voters additionally signaled a movement away from the two established parities occurring within the party itself . The McCain voters were saying again, there's not a dime's worth of difference in the two main parties beyond which special interest groups they choose to pander. Combined with continued low voter turnout, the increased move to third parties and now McCain leading a movement within an established party the powers and their Socialist media allies have to double their efforts to crucify anyone leading a third party move that might lead to the reestablishment of government operating under our constitution and returning to traditional American values. Neither Bush or Gore inspire the same passion McCain brought forth from his supporters. Eventually the establishment will be successful in completely suppressing the people's will or the voters will rise up and reclaim their country. In that case elections will again mean something and now they only mean something measured by how many people vote third party. The group of Republicans that totally wasted their vote were the ones who preferred Allen Keyes, Gary Bauer or Steve Forbes but cast their votes for Bush to make sure they had a winner in the presidential election. Talk about wasted votes, these people voted against themselves and would have done more for their issue by staying home. Because they threw away their votes by casting ballots for Bush they ensured the three strongest anti-abortion candidates didn't get many votes in the primaries. Because Keyes, Bauer and Forbes didn't do well Mr. Bush can now take the anti-abortion wing of the Republican party for granted. He is free to pick a pro-abortion running mate as Keyes, Bauer and Forbes didn't pick up enough votes to make him afraid of that wing of the party. A wasted vote is when one does not vote for the person most representative of their views. I would like to return to the Perot runs for the presidency. It pains me that Republican friends and especially conservative friends whine about Perot putting Clinton in the White House. That mantra is frankly absurd. It highlights the fact their party has betrayed them. They grasp at anything to blame for their party's failure except the party's actual philosophy and failed leadership. If someone loathes the Clinton administration the last person they should criticize is Perot. Instead, they should crawl to Texas and kiss Mr. Perot on the fanny for what he did to the Clintons. They should humble themselves and thank Mr. Perot for saving them. The figures clearly demonstrate Mr. Perot brought new voters out and took equally from the Democrats and Republicans. Had Mr. Perot not run in those elections Mr. Clinton would have still won both elections, but he would have additionally taken over fifty percent of the vote. Can one even imagine how bad the Clinton regime would have been had he been able to claim a mandate by having over fifty percent of the vote? Thank God, the Perot voters didn't waste their votes. Now we have Bush and Gore. If they represent more of your views than any other candidate you should vote for them. When I say represent more of your views, I don't mean you sit back and say I think Bush or Gore will do this if elected. I mean, you know that Bush or Gore will work to get your particular issue accomplished if you vote for him. If you don't know that and there is another candidate who better represents your beliefs and will actually work to accomplish what he says then the wasted vote will be when throw away your vote voting for what you hope will be a winner. I supported the Republican Revolution. Each night I turn on my television and look for the Public Broadcasting Company. If I don't find it I know I didn't waste my vote by supporting the Republican Revolution. I'd know they kept their word. Unfortunately, it always turns up on my set and I know another group of professional politicians broke their word. I know we elected enough Republicans to kill the Public Broadcasting Company and the National Endowment for the Arts. Should anyone vote for any of the Republicans that broke their promise when they had the power then they remain suckers. Their vote rightfully doesn't need to be a concern to the crooked politicians for they will waste it again trusting them. I won't fall into that trap. No one owns my vote. My vote is never knowingly wasted. Construction men often say, the first drop of rain that hit's you is the lord's wish, the second drop of rain is your fault. I say with some politicians we don't know until they're in office, but once we know we should come in out of the rain and quit throwing our votes away by constantly supporting spineless party hacks. The Bush candidacy is already damaging the political process. Conservative Republicans might hold their nose and waste their vote by voting for the perceived winner but they won't work for him. The GOP will lose the power of the grass roots, the heart and soul of the party and the country will suffer because the power wing of the Republican will have emulated the Democrat party and they will completely take over the country. If the Republicans can't be trusted to keep the Democrat's socialist agenda at bay, then where will we turn. If Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader or another candidate seriously represents more of your views than do Gore or Bush and you don't vote for them then you have truly thrown your vote down the toilet. Let Bush see that Buchanan gets less than five percent of the vote and he knows he can take Republicans for granted concerning foreign involvement, tax cutting, the Red China policy and abortion. Let Mr. Nader take less than five percent of the environmental vote and Gore can take those voters for granted. However, if many people with strong beliefs about these other issues step up to the plate and vote their convictions rather than voting Bush or Gore as they think they are the only two that have a chance, then that voters loses even if his candidate wins the election. Remember the Perot voters had their issues catered to during the past eight years because both parties didn't want those voters going third party again. Those people's votes actually meant something and influenced the policy of the Democrats and Republicans. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Tactics That Work -- 1 (fwd) Date: 10 Jun 2000 20:44:55 PST On Jun 10, JASPAR@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] (From Alan Korwin) Were you the one who asked me, "What can I do to help save our rights?" I get this question so often, and here's an answer finally, the first of a series I'm developing, called -- TACTICS THAT WORK by Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America As soon as you're done reading this, 1. Take out a full sheet of paper, and at the top, write the name of one of your best gun buddies. 2. Make the phone call and say, "What do you say we go to dinner one night, and talk about gun stuff and 'issues that concern us as free people.'" You can say it's your own idea if you like, I'm not fussy. Just arrange to get your butt out to dinner to talk. Note: This is the second hardest part of this plan. 3. Then ask who else the two of you might invite to this little dinner and discussion. Agree up front on separate checks. Write all the names on your sheet of paper. That's what it's for. 4. Pick a restaurant that can seat the bunch of you. One big table is the key, so you can all hear each other. A side room with privacy is even better. Warning: Finding a good spot is the hardest part of this plan. Pick a date about four weeks away, and call your friends. Are you with me so far? Are you willing to do "all this work" to have a real positive impact? Or doesn't your mama allow you to go out at night? 5. Go out to dinner and have a good time. Because of the common ground built into your invite list, things will pretty much happen automatically. Between the bunch of you, all sorts of good things will start coming up just by themselves. What's really happening: You're using the power of the right to assemble to help guard your freedom. AN EASY PLAN TO MAKE THE DINNER EXCEPTIONAL If you have the guts, try this: 1. START. Fifteen minutes after the starting time, ding the side of a glass with a spoon, to make the universally recognized "call to order" sound. 2. INTRODUCE. Say hello, and you and your buddy introduce yourselves, and describe who you are and what you do. Then have everyone else do the same. 3. DESCRIBE. When the last person finishes, speaking as the host of the dinner, say you invited everyone to discuss "issues that concern us as free people" and ask for two ground rules -- a. only one person at a time talks, so everyone can hear b. stay on the subject 4. OPEN. Take out a pad. Ask your friends to start on the following question: What's the problem we face? Write down the flood of answers. Stay with it until it's a long list. 5. CONTINUE. When the time seems right, ask another group question: "So what are the solutions?" Write down the flood of answers. Then just roll with the flow. 6. WRAP. You will be amazed how much good stuff comes up, how many people get energized to take action and do stuff, and how quickly the evening goes. Before the first person leaves, ask everyone if they'd like to come back next month, same time and place. Book the restaurant again while you're there. OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOOD TO DO 1. Get some of those stick-on name badges at an office supply store. 2. Agree to swap email addresses so you can all reach each other. 3. Write up the lists from your pad and give everyone copies. 4. Find some worthwhile literature and pass out copies. 5. Think about more people you could invite next month. 6. Ask everyone if they think they could assemble their own friends for a dinner, and help spread this program. 7. Be a big shot -- start out by buying everyone a round of drinks. It feels good, sets a nice tone, and in the end doesn't burn too big a hole in your wallet. 8. Instead of using a pad to make a list of ideas, put a big sheet of paper on the wall and use that with a marker. When everyone can see the list as it grows, it spurs more ideas. Don't use a permanent marker and get ink on the wall like an idiot. For more on this and related programs, visit gunlaws.com. For Publication, 746 Words, 6/11/00 One-time North American Serial Rights Copyright 2000 Alan Korwin Not-for-profit circulation is approved. Alan Korwin is the author of seven best-selling books on gun law, including Gun Laws of America, the unabridged guide to federal gun law. He can be reached at gunlaws.com. Contact Alan Korwin BLOOMFIELD PRESS "We publish the gun laws" 12629 N. Tatum #440 Phoenix, AZ 85032 602-996-4020 Phone 602-494-0679 FAX 1-800-707-4020 Book orders http://www.gunlaws.com alan@gunlaws.com BRAND NEW -- "Licensed to Carry" by Greg Jeffery Check out this 30-State Shall-Issue License Guide, find out what it takes to get a carry license in each state. Use the link below. ALSO -- "Traveler's Guide to the Gun Laws of the 50 States" Year 2000 Edition. Use the link below. LOOK AT "GUN LAWS OF AMERICA" YOURSELF -- If you knew all your rights you might demand them. Use the link below. AVAILABLE AT LAST: Gun-owner guides for -- AZ, CA, FL, NJ, NY, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA Use the link below. http://www.gunlaws.com Guns Save Lives [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: 50-Million-Round March (Korwin Press Release) (fwd) Date: 11 Jun 2000 07:32:51 PST On Jun 11, JASPAR@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] BLOOMFIELD PRESS 12629 N. Tatum #440, Phoenix, AZ 85032 Phone 602-996-4020, Fax 602-494-0679 800-707-4020, www.gunlaws.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE June 11, 2000 Contact: Felicity Bower 1-800-707-4020 "50-MILLION-ROUND MARCH" SET FOR DAD'S DAY Parents Day Hopelessly Politicized Reporters and news media executives nationwide are on a tightrope this week as Dads across America, anticipating Father's Day next Sunday, are preparing for what's billed as "The 50-Million-Round March," a response to last month's Moms March. "They're going to try to fire off 50 million rounds of ammunition at training ranges across America on Sunday, and I'll bet they do it," says Alan Korwin, author of Gun Laws of America, who has been following the extensive march preparations. The mainstream media has been silent about it, but men everywhere seem to be looking forward to it, he says. "It's simple and elegant -- a wholesome family outing in support of the Bill of Rights." Endorsed by a host of national civil rights groups involved in firearms issues, the 50-Million-Round March (which can be found on the Internet at http://www.50mrmarch.com) is a grassroots effort being led by Jeff Head, an engineer from Emmett, Idaho (jeffhead@bigplanet.com). Joanie Fischer, who is handling media relations for the event said, in a note to Korwin, "It's time to draw a line in the sand, and prevent the erosion of the human right which ensures the sanctity of all others. I am focused on those liberties for which our founders sacrificed so dearly, to ensure our freedom inheritance." Yeah, it's a deep quote, but it's what she had to say. Fischer can be reached at 50mrmarch-joanie@bigfoot.com. "I know just what she means," says Alicia Wadas, founder and President of Mothers Arms, a group concerned about a person's "inviolable right to self defense," based in Phoenix (http://www.mothersarms.org). "I applaud the fathers who are stepping up to their parental responsibility of keeping their children safe through education and by spending time with their children. As parents it is our right and responsibility to be the first line of defense for our families. Laws and 911 are there for the punishment and the aftermath. Becoming educated and trained in self protection will help save our children." "At 911 crime scenes, police are just highly armed stenographers who draw chalk lines, not their guns, a short while after you call," says a Washington, D.C., civil-rights lobbyist who prefers to remain unnamed. "The Dad's March is the perfect response to misguided efforts of women who are sadly misled by the very media that claims to keep them informed," she says. "Many of these women actually believe the police have a legal duty to protect them -- but that's only true on TV." "Dial 911 and prepare to die," says Aaron Zelman, quoting a book he publishes, as head of a Jewish group concerned about government disarmament of the public (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, http://www.jpfo.org). "I don't really expect the media to provide the free publicity for the Dad's March that they did for the Mom's March," Zelman says. "But let's see if they can also ignore the ranges across America that will be packed with families on Father's Day, exercising their rights, and loudly saying 'No!' to infringement by our own government in Washington." ### Bloomfield Press is the largest publisher of gun law books in the country, founded in 1989. Gun Laws of America for police department and news media review is free on request, call 1-800-707-4020. The author is available for interview, call us to schedule. Call, mail, fax or click for our free catalog. It doesn't make sense to own a gun and not know the rules. 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Tatum #440 Phoenix, AZ 85032 602-996-4020 Phone 602-494-0679 FAX 1-800-707-4020 Orders http://www.gunlaws.com alan@gunlaws.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: [slick-d] Re: Federal government must die] (fwd) Date: 11 Jun 2000 19:41:06 PST I thought this was a good idea, but they forgot the yarmulkas.....:-) On Jun 11, David K. Schumann wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Bruce, with all respect for your position as a JPFO founder and field rep, I think you have been too close to Mr. Zelman to see the good that the group has done. Out here on the left coast in Santa Clara County, one of the most left wing counties in the country, JPFO ownership played an important role in STOPPING at attempt by our county Board of Supervisors to enact even MORE anti-gun legislation last year. JPFO members posted themselves outside council chambers on the evening they were to take the matter up and gave out 6 inch by 5.5 inch peel off labels. The labels were red with a yellow Star of David on them, in the center of which was the word "gun owner." When members of the local members council of the NRA and other RKBA supporters showed up, we got those labels and stuck them on our chests, and then went into the Board Chambers. The leftwing Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors couldn't miss the fact that the VAST MAJORITY of the attendees that night were wearing those badges. IT DID INTIMIDATE THEM. They postponed taking up the anti-gun measure, and when we showed up similarly equipped at the later hearing, they killed it. A very sweet victory indeed. Dave Bruce Chesley wrote: > > Speaking as an early jpfo Founder and its now former eight > year New England Field Rep., zelman never had, does not now, > and never will have a genuine desire to destroy gun control. He > has devolved jpfo into his personal money centric micro nra. If > gun control went away, how would he make the same or better > income elsewhere ? > Besides, we're out of time with the 2A. I have puclicly posted > to other lists that, based upon my research and the anti 2A trend, > I believe that you have, at best, until 2005 to legally own anything. > If confiscation doesn't happen by 2005, it'll happen by 2010. > The nazi rifle associations' historical and ongoing treason > against the 2A is the major factor. Go to http://www.gpo.gov - > the federal Government Printing Office - and obtain the nras' public > testimony to Congress FOR the 1934 nfa, 1938, ffa, 1968 gca, etal. > Note who from the nra sats what. Via online used book search, find, > buy and read "Gun Control" by Robert J. Kukla, edited for publication > by former nra President, Harlon Carter. It documents the nras' > treason with the 1968 gca, and a few times, states that these > treasons were not new to the nra. > Bruce Chesley > Truth is a terrible cross to bear. > Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.". Thomas Paine > Treason for $$$: ccrkba, jpfo, leaa, nra, saf. > > On Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:06:53 EDT Swftl@aol.com writes: > *What about the JPFO? (www.jpfo.org)?--Susan > > In a message dated 06/04/2000 7:16:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > excalibur25@juno.com writes: > The only worthwhile pro 2A organizations are Gun > Owners of America (GOA), Law Enforcement Professionals for > the Second Amendment (LEPSA) and the Second Amendment Sisters > (SAS-AIMM) -- Esse Quam Videri [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [newsucanuse] Alan Keyes - Disciplining the Judiciary (fwd) Date: 12 Jun 2000 11:19:37 PST On Jun 11, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] SATURDAY JUNE 10 2000 Alan L. Keyes, currently running for the GOP presidential nomination, was U.S. ambassador to the United Nations during the Reagan administration. The author of two books, "Our Character, Our Future" and "Masters of the Dream," Keyes is recognized as a leader in the conservative movement and one of today's most demanded orators. Discouraged conservatives frequently lament that much of the moral degradation of America is actually due to liberal dominance of the court system. In a kind of strategic checkmate, we are told, the left has established its stronghold in the branch of government most removed from the will of the people and, from this secure position, it has been systematically undermining the moral foundations of our political order. It certainly is true that the courts have been a consistent and prominent source of assault on the moral integrity of the country. Judges have been willing and able to remove from our law venerable moral principles providing crucial support for the regime of ordered liberty. When they have deigned to proceed by argument rather than fiat, their arguments have frequently been patently false. The whole array of spurious and contradictory legal support for the "wall of separation" between church and state is just one example. A real wall built so irrationally wouldn't stand for a minute but, in the strange new world of liberal justice, they have the thing propped-up pretty well -- much to the disadvantage of the piety and morality which are essential to the preservation of our liberty. Increasingly, judges are issuing decisions that contradict Declaration principles by undermining, for example, our commitment to the belief that we are equal because we are created equal, endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights. Completely discouraged conservatives counsel despair in response to this situation; less discouraged conservatives typically urge that we swallow hard and then go to work for George W. Bush so that he can correct matters with his judicial appointments. Rather than taking counsel from discouragement, however, let's take a look at our situation in light of the Constitution itself. What remedies are available to begin repairing the moral wreckage that a liberal judiciary has caused in our society? As is usually the case in seeking solutions to our political travails, the key lies in remembering the basic principles that govern the nation. In this case, we need to remember first of all that judges are not supreme rulers. America was not intended to be a judicial despotism -- and, presumably, we can recall sufficiently what the phrase "government of, by and for the people" means to see that this is the case. With recourse to the Founders, we can overcome the dangerous presumption we have developed that whatever judges say from the bench is final because the law is whatever the judges say it is. The moral damage caused by judges will not cease until the people and their representatives remember that judges, too, are required to respect the fundamental principles on which the nation is founded. When judges make decisions that clearly contradict the first principles of American life, then we have the duty to refuse to accept those decisions. We must deliberate with prudence as to the precise form of our refusal and we may even act in conformity with decisions that are less fundamentally opposed to our national principles than others, lest we give scandal by resisting what many of our fellow citizens suppose to be the authority of law. But when judges fail in their duty to conform their decisions to the principles of American justice, we are bound to resist -- the only question is how to do so prudently and effectively. How, then, should this resistance be conducted? The simple solution lies in an examination of the structure of our government and the principles that underlie that structure. Precisely because the courts were never intended to hold tyrannical power in America, both the federal Constitution and most state constitutions put mechanisms in the hands of both the legislature and the executive -- aimed at making sure that the judiciary cannot abuse its position and at defending the people against judicial usurpation. The Congress of the United States has the power, for instance, to determine the jurisdiction of the lower courts in the federal system. I haven't noticed the Congress using this power in order to prevent judicial abuse lately, but it exists and could be used at any time. Legislators also have the power to impeach judges. It is sometimes argued that this power is irrelevant to the question of restraining an overly ambitious or ideologically tainted judiciary, because judges can be impeached only for personal or professional misbehavior. But this is not true. The impeachment power was not intended just to punish malfeasance. It was intended to prevent the usurpation of the powers of one branch by another. And if the judiciary is so acting as to encroach upon the prerogatives of the legislature, the legislature has the right and duty to insist that judges alter their practices or be removed from the bench. These mechanisms may well lie dormant, however, if the executive and legislative branches believe that the people will not support a serious attempt to discipline the judiciary. Hence, the importance of a citizenry schooled and confident in its duty to demand that the judicial power be pruned back when it grows too great or in the wrong direction. The judiciary, along with the other two branches of government, must continually be measured by the just will of the people. If the people cease to take thought whether the government, which is their instrument, is acting in accord with the principles of self-government, then self- government will indeed soon cease. And it is true that the judges are, for the most part, shielded from the direct action of the people, who must keep watch on them through the intermediate vigilance of the other two branches of government. But, in the wisdom of the Founders, we can rely on the fact that the executive and the legislative branches have their own institutional reasons to be jealous of an overweening judiciary. And so a people that knows its business will probably not have to spur those two branches too hard before, in defense of the balance of powers, they will be willing to take action against overly ambitious judges. Overall, there is little reason to despair that the judges are out of our reach. What, then, of the strategy of uniting behind George W. Bush to solve the problem of an activist and corrupting judiciary through the power of presidential appointment to the bench? This is perhaps the most common argument given to moral conservatives who are squeamish about voting for Bush. And I agree -- up to a point -- that judicial appointments are important. But if conservatives allow themselves to be convinced that electing George W. Bush is the key, via the power of judicial appointments, to overturning an era of the morally corrosive liberal judiciary, then I will beg to differ. The recent years of Republican control of the White House, including the eight year administration of the truly conservative Ronald Reagan, were long enough and included enough appointments that they should have produced a clear and solid conservative majority on the Supreme Court. They did not. Partly this was because of ringers like David Souter. We were told to trust the elder Mr. Bush that Souter was a reliable conservative. We did trust Mr. Bush and David Souter is not a reliable conservative. A more interesting example of the impotence of the appointment power alone is ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [newsucanuse] Sixth grader targeted for pro-gun remarks (fwd) Date: 12 Jun 2000 11:18:29 PST On Jun 12, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/20000330_xnjdo_sixth_grad.s= html THURSDAY, MARCH 30, 2000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS Sixth grader targeted for pro-gun remarks 'A' student defends 2nd Amendment, flagged as violence risk=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- =20 By Jon E. Dougherty =A9 2000 WorldNetDaily.com =20 School officials at Harbor Lights Middle School flagged a Holland, Michigan boy as potentially dangerous because the 12-year-old suggested to= a teacher that one way to prevent school shootings would be to arm instructors. Derek Loutzenheiser, a model student who had such good grades that some teachers recommended he be tested early for a popular standardized pre-college performance test, made his comments in early March, after bein= g asked by a social studies teacher what he thought might make kids safer in school. =20 Derek had been asked to participate in a classroom discussion about "school shootings and safety," said the sixth grader's father, Tim Loutzenheiser. =20 "My son simply stated that his opinion was that he would feel safer = if some of the adults at the school were trained and allowed to carry firearms," Mr. Loutzenheiser told WorldNetDaily. =20 His reply caused him to be "flagged" as a potential violence risk by teachers and school administrators, who then contacted his parents to suggest they meet with the school's "Hazard and Risk Assessment Team." =20 "My wife and I were in disbelief when they (school officials) telephoned us and told us that's what they wanted to do," Loutzenheiser said. "We asked, 'Do you have the right kid?'" =20 In resulting talks with school officials, Loutzenheiser said he learned that his son "often spoke favorably about the First and Second Amendments, but the comment he made to his Social Studies teacher was the one that triggered this action." =20 School officials told the couple that because of Derek's comments he should be separated from the other students and forced to enter the school= 's "Mentor" program, where he would be studied by an adult supervisor who wou= ld monitor Derek's thought processes. =20 "We were told that this would be in the best interest of my son, and by doing this the school would not have to involve Social Services," Loutzenheiser said. "We refused." =20 At that point, the couple contacted an attorney in nearby Grand Rapids, Michigan -- one referred to them through the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action. The couple has also been told by a representative from the Rutherford Institute, an international legal and educational civil liberties organization, that "they would be willing to take on this issue." =20 Loutzenheiser said when he and his wife, Shelly, arrived for the Hazard Team meeting Mar. 8, "We were outnumbered 7 to 2." He told WorldNetDaily that he wanted to make a good first impression with the members, so he shook each member's hand and introduced himself. =20 He also told them he had brought along a tape recorder and would be taping the proceedings since none of the legal organizations that said the= y would represent him could send a representative to the meeting on such sho= rt notice. =20 "My wife and I both saw a transformation from 'smugness' ... to look= s of great concern on some of their faces," he said. =20 "What was odd about the purpose of this whole meeting," said Loutzenheiser, "was that three of the team members were Derek's teachers, and each of them said they didn't know there was any 'situation' with him. That got me to thinking, 'Then why are we here?'" =20 However, and though "team" members denied it, the elder Loutzenheise= r said he believes teachers and school administrative personnel began to for= m a bad impression of his son when, in January of this year, the sixth grade= r refused to sign a "Red Letter" vow of peace to celebrate Martin Luther King's birthday. =20 "The letter, which was written by the principal," Loutzenheiser said= , "asked the students to take an oath to turn in their friends for suspiciou= s activity, to vow to never defend themselves if attacked, and something to the effect of never to use a gun or other weapons. Derek simply told the principal, 'I'm not signing that.' =20 "I think that's what got him 'noticed' by some of the administrative staff at least," he said. =20 Of the meeting with "team" members, Loutzenheiser said, "We got righ= t to the point and determined that the charges against my son are without merit. They all assured me that he is a wonderful student, gets straight A's, and because he is a little more advanced academically (at their suggestion he took the ACT test and scored very well) they feel he may nee= d an 'adult' to talk to about issues." =20 Loutzenheiser admitted he didn't know what team members were implyin= g about having Derek "talk to an adult about issues." He added, "We were abl= e to determine that because my son knows and understands political and Constitutional issues so well, that he often speaks in terms not typical o= f a 12-year-old, and we should be assured they have no issues with this." =20 The couple believes Derek's Social Studies teacher was the impetus f= or the inquiry. =20 "She felt concern when Derek stated -- when she asked -- that he wou= ld feel safer if some of the adults would be trained and have access to firearms at school," said Derek's father. "Because this teacher felt this [was an] irrational threat, she spoke to other 'team' members who are also Derek's teachers." =20 The couple said they discovered that there had been a series of similar misunderstandings involving some of the things Derek had said in school -- none of which were threatening or dangerous. =20 One teacher, said Loutzenheiser, stated that he heard Derek speak of taking the hunter's safety course -- which was offered through the school = -- and that Derek sometimes spoke about how he liked hunting. =20 Another teacher said that in her class, where his son helps write th= e school paper, he was tasked with reviewing a video game. The teacher, he said, felt that the game might contain violence but didn't feel "concern" until "after she spoke with the 'team.'" =20 One of the vice principals, the couple said, also felt Derek may nee= d some "mentoring" because he was "attacked by three older students last September, in which Derek fought back and deterred his attackers on school property," Loutzenheiser said. =20 "They (school officials) wanted to reinforce how understanding they were, in light of the fact that the school has a zero tolerance policy -- = no fighting even in self defense -- and how Derek was not punished in any way for defending himself," Loutzenheiser said. =20 However, his wife Shelly had inquired of teachers and school officia= ls just a day before the meeting occurred, and "there were no issues yesterda= y, but they seemed to remember some today," he said. =20 "We also asked them why, if these problems were so terrible, no one had bothered to pick up the phone and call us before it came to this," sai= d Loutzenheiser. =20 More disturbing to the couple was the school's constant alluding to = "a list" -- ostensibly the same "list" their son, Derek, was on, albeit briefly. =20 "No one really explained what this 'list' was," Loutzenheiser said, "but from the sound of it, if you raised anyone's eyebrows at the school -= - for any reason -- you made tSandra Day O'Connor. Sandra Day O'Connor was a Reagan appointee. On paper, she looked like a solid, pro-life conservative justice. But her voting record over the years has not been reliable at all. So, what's wrong with the appointment power? We underestimate the effect on judges of living and working in a political environment where the prevailing wind blows in a certain ideological direction. Judges become part of a community that defines ideological growth as the abandonment of conservative principles. In the atmosphere of confident liberal power that conservatives have allowed to fill Washington, the conservative principles of George W. Bush appointees will likely wither on the vine. The appointment power will not be decisive unless it is supplemented by a change in political environment that nurtures the principles of the conservative judges who are appointed. Conservatives have lost cultural and political control in Washington by continually advancing political leaders who cannot articulate or defend conservative views in a way that moves anyone to political action -- either the opinion leaders or the grassroots to take real action. The most important requirement for establishing the needed change is leadership that can effectively promote and defend the conservative viewpoint. Only such political leadership can encourage and sustain conservative confidence among the people and in their elected representatives. With such confidence, the available Constitutional and political mechanisms for restraining an ambitious judiciary will be perfectly sufficient. Abraham Lincoln taught us that, in times of crisis, the Constitution need not be a suicide pact. It does not oblige us to watch helplessly while liberal judges run amuck. If the people put leaders of competence and courage into the executive and legislative branches, the judges can be brought back into line. But this is nothing new. The Founders have left us with the instruments we need to accomplish self-government with justice. We have inherited all that we need except the one thing that cannot be inherited -- political will. What is essential is the determination of the people and their representatives to use these instruments once again. Do you want to support the conservative reform of the bench? Resist the temptation to believe that it can be done on the sly, by slipping into office politicians who are reluctant to lead. Even if there is desire to do the right thing, such nominees will be challenged and an account demanded of why they are best for the job. At such moments, politicians who can't, or won't, defend the conservative agenda are worse than useless -- their failure contributes to the general opinion, particularly among elites, that conservative principles cannot be defended. In the long run, it is this opinion, not lack of the appointment power, that dooms the conservative agenda in the judiciary and everywhere else. The judiciary will be disciplined not merely by better appointments but by a political leadership willing to discipline it and able to lead the people in forming and sustaining a principled determination to do so. Only such a leadership can hope to use the appointment power to real effect. A principled, determined and articulate conservative leadership, and the grassroots support it would receive, can achieve the success America needs. The duty of citizens now is to demand such leadership and offer it their support. If we choose principle first, the appointment power will soon be added -- and under circumstances that will permit it truly to make a difference. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - his 'list.'" =20 Jerry Klomparens, principal of Harbor Lights Middle School, told WorldNetDaily he could not discuss cases or incidents involving specific children. However, he spoke briefly about the school's "Mentor Program" policies, and said they were only administered after school officials obtained permission from a student's parents. =20 "We believe any educational processes must first come from parents," Klomparens said. "This program is only designed to help parents" meet special needs of certain students. =20 The principal explained that Harbor Lights uses the mentoring progra= m to "match students who have particular interests up with teachers or adult= s (who are volunteers) who have similar interests." =20 When asked about the so-called "list" that Loutzenheiser mentioned, Klomparens reiterated that it was school policy "not to discuss the status of our students." He also said it was possible that some errors may have been made in the past in explaining the "mentor" program to some parents. =20 "It's not a real formal program," he said, adding that sometimes teachers suggest students whom they believe would benefit from it. Other than having mutual interests, Klomparens said neither teacher nor adult volunteer mentors have received any special training or qualifications. =20 But the Loutzenheisers remain unconvinced. =20 "Each of these people on the 'team' probably had no issue with Derek= , but by virtue of assembling together and talking, they were able to feed upon each others' concerns, no matter how small, and allowed them to grow,= " said Tim Loutzenheiser. "We're convinced that Derek will now be placed und= er a microscope for observation more than ever." =20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- =20 =20 Jon E. Dougherty is a staff reporter for WorldNetDaily. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Emerson (fwd) Date: 12 Jun 2000 15:29:38 PST On Jun 12, CJE wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Things are heating up, a bit. I would surely enjoy being a fly on the wall during the arguments before the panel in NO..... Cliff 06/11/00- Updated 11:17 PM ET Texas case could affect gun ownership By Richard Willing, USA TODAY It began as a marital dispute in western Texas and became a debate over Timothy Emerson's right to keep a gun after a court told him to stay away from his estranged wife, Sacha. Now, courtesy of an unusual ruling by a Texas judge, it has blossomed into a gun-rights case that could have enormous impact on gun-control policy in the USA. When gun-rights advocates and gun-control supporters square off Tuesday before a federal appeals panel in New Orleans, the issue will be: Does the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantee individuals the right to possess firearms? Or does it, as courts have indicated previously, provide that right merely to state militias? If the right is guaranteed to individuals, both sides agree that many gun-control laws might be invalid, or at least might have to be rewritten. "This is a case with some real potential consequences," says Akhil Reed Amar, constitutional law scholar at Yale University Law School. The case, U.S. vs. Emerson, is an appeal of a federal judge's ruling that invalidated a federal firearms law in 1999 because it conflicted with what the judge called the "individual right to bear arms." Judge Sam Cummings' ruling marked the first time that a federal judge had interpreted the Second Amendment to guarantee an individual right. The case involved a doctor in San Angelo, Texas, who was charged with violating a restraining order. If the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals upholds the ruling, it is likely to inspire challenges in that circuit, which comprises Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi, and elsewhere. The case likely would be appealed to the Supreme Court, where at least two justices seem to favor the individual-rights argument. Gun-control advocates are concerned. "Right now, virtually any gun-control law with a rational basis passes muster," says Dennis Henigan, general counsel of Handgun Control Inc., based in Washington. The group has filed a friend-of-the-court brief that argues against the individual right. If gun possession is found to be a constitutional right, he says, gun laws would be held to "a completely different standard" that could weaken some and cause others to be struck down. Gun-rights advocates also are leery but for different reasons. Without a comprehensive decision to contradict them, the advocates, especially the National Rifle Association, have argued that the Second Amendment guarantees individuals the right to keep weapons. An adverse ruling, especially from the Supreme Court, would rob them of that rhetorical weapon. "Everybody (on the gun-rights side) is expressing some anticipation and hesitation," says Stephen Halbrook, a lawyer in Fairfax, Va., who has filed a brief that argues for the individual right. But, he says, "I think we might as well get it on. The law's a building block; you win some, and you lose some. But the idea is to establish some kind of right." The case began in 1998, when a Texas court placed a restraining order on Emerson during his divorce. This meant that Emerson, who legally owned a 9-mm pistol, automatically was in violation of a federal law from 1994 that aimed to protect women in divorce cases by denying guns to their spouses. In April 1999, Cummings struck down the federal law. He said it violated an individual's right to possess guns. In New Orleans, the arguments are likely to focus on the Second Amendment's phrasing: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The amendment was approved in 1791. William Mateja, an assistant U.S. attorney in Lubbock, Texas, will argue that the "plain text" demonstrates that the Constitution's framers intended the right to apply only to state militias, the 18th century equivalent of today's National Guard. Timothy Crooks, a public defender who represents Emerson, will focus on the way the amendment singles out the right "of the people." "The Constitution clearly distinguishes between 'the people' and 'the States,' " Crooks wrote in a court brief . The Supreme Court has considered the Second Amendment only once, in 1939. Then, it returned a case to a lower court to decide whether a sawed-off shotgun owned by a bootlegger could be deemed a militia weapon. The bootlegger was killed in a business-related dispute before the case was completed. Gun-control foes have argued that this decision placed the court squarely on the side of favoring a militia right, not an individual one. Gun-rights advocates, joined by some scholars, say they are reading too much into the 1939 case. Appeals courts in other federal circuits have not held that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right. A three-judge panel will hear the case, with the loser having the option of seeking another hearing before the full appeals court. After that, the case could head to the Supreme Court. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [ALERT] Honor System Virus (fwd) Date: 13 Jun 2000 09:44:12 PST *** WARNING!!! *** WARNING!!! *** *** DANGER *** Will Robinson..... On Jun 13, InTheRiver wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Honor System Virus This virus works on the honor system. Please forward this message to everyone you know and then delete all the files on your hard disk. Thank you for your cooperation. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Emerson Case- Circuit Court Asks Great Questions (fwd) Date: 13 Jun 2000 19:56:47 PST On Jun 13, R. Lunn wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >From Neal Knox. Sounds like good news! -------------FORWARD-------- >From neal@nealknox.com Tue Jun 13 21:50:54 2000 Reply-To: chris@nealknox.com 5:30 p.m. June 13 Neal Knox Report -- "The Court really beat up on the government" Linda Thomas of Houston ecstatically told me a few minutes ago. She was on a cell phone, standing on the steps of Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans. A three-judge panel had just heard oral argument in the Emerson case, in which Lubbock, Texas, Federal Judge Sam Cummings struck down part of the 1996 Lautenberg Amendment prohibiting persons under a restraining order from possessing firearms. The government prosecutor said the Second Amendment only applied to arms issued to militia members, in Dr. Timothy Emerson's case either the Texas National Guard or Texas State Guard. Judge Harold R. DeMoss, Jr., a George Bush appointee, told him he was misreading the 1939 Miller case. The court held in Miller that there had been no evidence that Miller's sawed-off shotgun was a militia-type arm. Nothing was said about the gun having to have been issued. Judge DeMoss asked the prosecutor if Dr. Emerson's Beretta 92 9mm pistol isn't the type used by armies. Of course, it's the standard U.S. sidearm. Judge DeMoss also raised a critical question that addresses the Tenth Amendment. "I have a 12 gauge and 16 gauge shotgun, and a .30 caliber deer rifle in my closet at home. Can you tell me how those affect interstate commerce." All Federal gun laws are based on the power of the Congress to regulate interstate commerce. The present Supreme Court has struck down several laws in a series of narrow decisions based on the Tenth Amendment's stipulation that powers not specifically delegated to Congress "are reserved to the states and the people, respectively." Judge Robert M. Parker, appointed by President Carter, and to the appellate court by President Clinton, told the government: "I don't want you to lose any sleep over this, but Judge Garwood (the senior judge) and I between us have enough guns to start a revolution in most South American countries." Linda, a gun rights activist who has just finished law school and is preparing for the bar exam, said the folks on our side of the aisle "are all smiles." Unlike most firearms-related court cases, there was no reluctance to discuss the Second Amendment, and, Linda said, the judges had done their homework. "It was like sitting in on a Gun Rights Policy Conference legal seminar." One thing about it, Timothy Emerson's case is going to have a full and fair hearing. And so will the Second Amendment. If the Fifth Circuit concurs with the trial judge that the Second Amendment protects gun ownership as an individual right -- which now seems quite possible -- there would be a conflict between the circuit courts, almost guaranteeing a Supreme Court hearing after the next election. That's just one more reason to make certain that Al Gore isn't in a position to appoint Supreme Court justices. ^Z -- You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the Firearms Coalition Alerts list. To unsubscribe send mail to fco-request@lists.best.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the body. Archives of these messages are stored at http://www.nealknox.com/alerts/. Copyright (c) 2000 Neal Knox Associates. All Rights Reserved. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Horiuchi immune (fwd) Date: 14 Jun 2000 15:14:18 PST On Jun 14, Paul A. Miller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FBI Agent Ruled Immune in Idaho SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- The FBI agent who killed the wife of white separatist Randy Weaver during the Ruby Ridge standoff is immune from state prosecution in Idaho, a federal appeals court ruled Wednesday. Sharpshooter Lon Horiuchi shot Vicki Weaver in 1992 while she held her baby. At the time, federal agents had converged on the family's cabin to arrest Randy Weaver on a weapons trafficking charge. Horiuchi said he did not see Vicki Weaver when he fired at an armed associate of Randy Weaver. Idaho prosecutors pursued a manslaughter charge against Horiuchi, but the charge was dismissed by a federal judge. A three-member panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the dismissal, ruling that Horiuchi was acting in his official duty as a federal law enforcement officer. The Weavers' 14-year-old son and a U.S. marshal were also killed during the standoff. AP-NY-06-14-00 1616EDT< [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [slick-d] A Flag of Conviction: "Don't Tread On Me" (fwd) Date: 14 Jun 2000 20:34:33 PST On Jun 14, Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] CNS: Opinion Time: 5:30 PM,Wednesday, June 14, 2000 A Flag of Conviction: "Don't Tread On Me" By Matthew Robinson CNS Commentary 14 June, 2000 Christopher Gadsden's face and name may not be immortalized on any bill or coin, but this firebrand designed a symbol which, even through the swirling mists of time, is a reminder of the birth of the nation and the spirit that carried it to freedom. June 14 is Flag Day. On that day, of course, we remember the Stars and Stripes and the men who fought under that banner for freedom. Gadsden gave us another great flag, one that flew prominently during the American Revolution, under which many men fought and died. Gadsden's was the blazing yellow banner that sports the ominous coiled snake and revolutionary warning, "Don't Tread on Me." Today we don't take the time as we once did to remember those iron men who fought the Revolution. And, worse, we seem to have forgotten the principles, energy, and sacrifice they poured into defending freedom and the rule of law. South Carolina's Christopher Gadsden is as much a symbol of the spirit of the American Revolution as his flag. When Parliament passed the Stamp Act in 1765, Gadsden helped rally opposition to that oppressive law. He argued that taxation without representation in Parliament violated the most basic laws of the English constitution and the natural rights of citizens. The Stamp Act, like many of the attempts to control the colonies, would set an unlawful precedent. The taxes on tea, trade and even paper were modest. The real problem, the revolutionaries understood, is that the Stamp Act laid the groundwork for the unlimited and unrepresentative expansion of government. It was the thin edge of the wedge. As John Dickinson wrote, "If Parliament succeeds in this attempt, other statutes will impose other duties... and thus Parliament will levy upon us such sums of money as they choose to take without any other limitation than their pleasure." Gadsden was a man of principle who understood that government, unless held in check, grows slowly and inexorably. And a government that has no limits, no constitutionally drawn boundaries, soon becomes the master and the citizens become heavily-taxed workers little more than slaves. Without representation--the ability to fight for their interests--the colonies would be subject to the whim and will of politicians ever in search of more revenue and swag to grant the "court locusts" who buzz around institutions of power expecting a handout. When the Stamp Act was passed the British envoy who was set to enforce the new law tried to land in Charleston. But Gadsden led the Sons of Liberty against the tax-collecting functionary. The patriots would not let his ship anchor to enforce the illegal act. Then, the captain of the British ship turned back through the mouth of the Charleston harbor to anchor at Fort Johnson. The Sons of Liberty, no doubt alcohol-fueled and intoxicated with raucous songs of their victory, heard of this and decided to show Parliament just how much they hated oppressive taxes. They traveled to the fort, took it over, and aimed the British guns at the Stamp Act collector's ship. Outmatched and obviously outgunned, the captain set to sea never to return. Gadsden and his men then went home. Through legal channels, the patriots continued their resistance to the Stamp Act and eventually had it overturned. Eight years later, America was in full rebellion against British rule, which had become more capricious and still threatened unjust and burdensome taxation. It was then that Gadsden became a colonel in the Revolutionary Army and presented his unique ensign as the flag of the Cause. The coiled snake might seem a strange symbol today. But it was and is effective. No American who ever sees it forgets -- and that's just the kind of message the revolutionaries wanted to send. For those early Americans, the rattlesnake had special significance. Like liberty, the rattler was found only in America. But that wasn't all. That wily serpent was usually just a harmless, humble creature. But aroused, angered, and prodded, first it warned with violent rattle then it struck with a deadly bite. Gadsden emphasized this by printing the legend "Don't Tread On Me" on his flag. The words swept the nation. It became the banner of minutemen militias. The Culpeper Minutemen chose the coiled snake ready to strike and the words from Gadsden's flag, but then raised another defiant fist at England by adding the words: "Liberty or Death." At sea, the first flag of the Continental Navy carried Gadsden's warning, this time with a sea snake slithering across the 13 red-and-white stripes. Early Americans saw the tremendous opportunities of a land born of liberty where men were free to innovate, invent and explore. They could reap the rewards of freedom without government meddling and were safe because they answered to God, family and their local communities. Most of all, those early Americans understood that liberty is fragile. To give any distant body of elites the power to tax and spend to stay in power promises corruption and a Leviathan government more interested in concentrating power for itself than in protecting the rights of its citizens. Flag Day may be about the Stars and Stripes, a banner that symbolizes freedom and justice to Americans and the world. But Gadsden and his flag are a still a symbol that liberty needs friends who can fight for the rule of law and principle for the good of the generations to come. Matthew Robinson is the 1999 Phillips Foundation Journalism Fellow and an adjunct fellow of the Claremont Institute. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewOpinion.asp?Page=\Opinion\archive\OPI20000614b.ht ml Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm "Judge me, O God, and plead my cause against an ungodly nation: O deliver me from the deceitful and unjust man" (Psalm 43:1). [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [harpazo] The Clinton-Gore crime syndicate (fwd) Date: 16 Jun 2000 11:33:51 PST On Jun 16, FrizBMG@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FRIDAY JUNE 16 2000 The Clinton-Gore crime syndicate=20 Exclusive: WND readers' guide to the Freeh and LaBella memos=20 =A9 2000 WorldNetDaily.com=20 WASHINGTON -- Over the past three-and-a-half years, without exaggeration,=20 I've watched the biggest presidential scandal in American history merge int= o=20 the biggest Washington cover-up ever.=20 All the while, I've seen the national media report the evidence of this=20 monstrous story, perhaps the biggest of our time, in fits and starts.=20 It's a story ripe with corruption and foreign intrigue, yet they've nibbled= =20 around the edges. A constellation of dots, yet they've failed to connect=20 them.=20 Their failure to burrow into the Chinagate scandal as they did Watergate an= d=20 Iran-Contra, pinning down culpable White House officials, has allowed them= =20 the intellectual cover, tenuous as it is, to keep writing off the probe as= =20 just another "Republican witch hunt." A donkey is being Gored this time, so= =20 they're not interested.=20 In observing up close such a glaring double standard, I've become extremely= =20 disillusioned with my profession, even ashamed of it. It can no longer with= =20 any credibility call itself the Fourth Estate, watchdog of government=20 corruption.=20 But then earlier this month, Congress offered the media a chance at=20 redemption.=20 On June 6, a House panel dropped in their laps hundreds of pages of proof=20 from career FBI agents and federal prosecutors of what even the most casual= =20 observer has probably suspected all along:=20 * The '96 fund-raising abuses weren't random and unconnected, but organiz= ed=20 from the top by the White House.=20 * The culprits weren't just a loose-knit band of hustlers and opportunist= s,=20 but a team recruited and coached by White House and Democratic National=20 Committee officials with the knowledge, if not participation, of the=20 president, vice president and first lady.=20 * The '96 Clinton-Gore campaign enlisted communist Beijing bagmen to help= =20 finance it, jeopardizing national security in the process.=20 * And it cheated to win. By defrauding voters, it may have illegitimately= =20 assumed power.=20 Taking a powder=20 Despite the compelling evidence -- straight from prosecutors -- the old med= ia=20 gatekeepers have, once again, taken a powder on the Chinagate story.=20 The TV networks, with the exception of Fox, have virtually blacked out the= =20 story on the nightly news. Of the Big Three, only NBC touched the story --= =20 for 35 seconds. Even CNN, despite 24-hour coverage, passed. Nothing on PBS,= =20 either.=20 Even the big papers -- with the notable exception of the Washington Times,= =20 which deserves a Pulitzer for exposing the Clinton corruption -- couldn't b= e=20 bothered.=20 Los Angeles Times printed not a word (although it ran a story in April afte= r=20 being leaked parts of the so-called LaBella memo). Wall Street Journal? Zip= .=20 New York Times? Buried on A26.=20 USA Today thought it worthy of a brief on 6A. In a refreshing surprise,=20 though, the Washington Post ran an above-the-fold story on its front page.= =20 But like other media that managed to cover the release of the LaBella and=20 Freeh memos, the Post couldn't resist mentioning fund-raising abuses by the= =20 Republican National Committee and the '96 Dole-Kemp campaign.=20 Yet, you'd have to use a fine-toothed comb, a high-powered microscope and=20 tweezers to turn up any reference to Republicans in the combined 121 pages = of=20 the Freeh and LaBella memos. The White House and the DNC plainly are the=20 targets of this investigation, languid though it's been.=20 Both parties pushed limits?=20 The 27-page Freeh report contains a total of just four words, wrapped in=20 parentheses, about Dole. In 94 pages, LaBella cites the RNC or Dole in all = of=20 one parenthetical statement and two paragraphs -- one of which declares RNC= =20 abuses "not on par" with the DNC's.=20 The media elite, borrowing a line from the White House, claim the memos are= =20 "old news," and therefore not worth covering.=20 But the most important aspect of the fund-raising abuses now is not the=20 stories themselves, many of which have been told before, but that the FBI a= nd=20 task-force prosecutors thought the evidence against President Clinton, Vice= =20 President Al Gore and other top officials compelling enough to turn the cas= e=20 over to an independent counsel.=20 (Attorney General Janet Reno turned them down, over and over, telling them= =20 that there's not enough evidence to investigate, so no one can investigate = to=20 see if there's enough evidence. Talk about your Catch-22s.)=20 In his own words, FBI Director Louis Freeh -- a Clinton appointee who's=20 hardly part of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" -- notes the evidence is=20 "compelling" and "reliable." Former task-force prosecutor Charles LaBella=20 says the sum of the evidence against White House officials shows a "pattern= =20 of conduct worthy of investigation."=20 Yet to this day, no White House official has been charged, or is even a=20 target of the ongoing probe. Only small-fry donors so far have been charged= .=20 What's more, the new documents are the first with details of prosecutors'=20 doubts about Gore's honesty regarding his role in the illegal fund-raising= =20 "scheme," as Freeh called it. Some wanted to investigate Gore for allegedly= =20 making false statements to the FBI.=20 The memos also reveal a new national security wrinkle. It turns out Freeh m= ay=20 be holding back intelligence on China from Clinton because it conflicts wit= h=20 the task force's investigation of "Chinese government efforts to influence"= =20 his campaign.=20 And that's not news?=20 Enter the new media. As a public service, WorldNetDaily has made the entire= =20 Freeh and LaBella memos available on this Internet news site for easy=20 viewing.=20 Every American concerned about the rule of law and national security should= =20 read them. Their findings are shocking, alarming and leave little wonder wh= y=20 the Clinton administration has suppressed them for years.=20 White-collar criminal enterprise=20 You won't find any of the salacious tidbits dished out in the Starr report.= =20 No thongs, no cigars, no stained dresses. Just hard-core analysis of a=20 white-collar criminal conspiracy orchestrated at the highest level of=20 government.=20 LaBella's narrative, in particular, reads like a road map to likely White=20 House felonies involving Clinton and Gore.=20 It also documents the concentrated effort among Justice Department brass,=20 from Reno on down, to keep a lid on the crimes, ostensibly to protect Reno'= s=20 boss and keep voters in the dark about what he and Gore did.=20 Here are some of the bombs in the Freeh and LaBella memos the Clinton=20 administration and their media apologists don't want you to see:=20 * Freeh, p. 6: "The task force has also been investigating a number of=20 activities of a sixth covered person -- Peter Knight, the chairman of the=20 Clinton-Gore campaign."=20 He added: "Among other things, Knight coordinated VP Gore's fund-raising=20 calls from the White House and was present when the calls were made. The=20 [Justice] Department has not yet triggered an independent counsel review as= =20 to Knight."=20 * Freeh, p. 11: "The task force has obtained substantial evidence that th= e=20 president and his key advisers controlled virtually all aspects of the DNC= =20 fund-raising efforts."=20 * Freeh, p. 25: "With respect to the investigation of Chinese government= =20 efforts to influence U.S. elections, DOJ [Department of Justice] and the FB= I=20 have conflicting duties to (1) keep the president informed about significan= t=20 national security matters, and (2) simultaneously keep from the White House= =20 certain national security information that may relate to the ongoing crimin= al=20 investigation."=20 He added: "DOJ and the FBI have faced this conflict several times during th= e=20 course of the investigation, most recently in early November 1997."=20 LaBella bombshells=20 * LaBella, p. 7: "The campaign-finance allegations [involving senior Whit= e=20 House officials and key DNC and Clinton-Gore officials] do not present the= =20 typical criminal matter. Rather, they present the earmarks of a loose=20 enterprise employing different actors at different levels who share a commo= n=20 goal: Bring in the money."=20 He added: "Everyone who has worked on these investigations has noted that t= he=20 overlaps and crossovers deserve investigation. And yet, the task force has= =20 never conducted an inquiry or investigation of the entire campaign-finance= =20 landscape."=20 * LaBella, p. 8: "When viewed in context, events develop into a pattern=20 running through the separate investigations. This is especially true with=20 respect to the conduct of senior White House officials and key DNC and=20 Clinton-Gore officials."=20 * LaBella, p. 33: "In light of statements made by [Johnny] Chung in his=20 debriefing concerning [Yah Lin "Charlie"] Trie acting as a conduit for PRC= =20 [People's Republic of China] money into the presidential election, this=20 transfer [$100,000 gift to Clinton] in August 1996 -- like the other Trie=20 'donations' and solicitations -- takes on greater significance as does the= =20 true source of the Trie PLET [President's Legal Expense Trust]=20 'contributions' [of $639,000]."=20 * LaBella, p. 51: "There are several incidents that suggest the president= =20 and senior White House officials knew or had reason to know that foreign=20 funds were being funneled into the DNC and the reelection effort."=20 * LaBella, p. 79: "If the [Loral-China export waiver) matter is=20 sufficiently serious to commence a criminal investigation, it is sufficient= ly=20 serious to commence a preliminary inquiry under the ICA [Independent Counse= l=20 Act], since it is the president who is at the center of the investigation."= =20 * LaBella, p. 81: "Senior White House officials, working with senior DNC= =20 and Clinton-Gore personnel, were the architects of a=20 'contributions-for-access-and-perks' system."=20 * LaBella, p. 82: "[Deputy White House Chief of Staff Harold] Ickes, [the= ]=20 first lady [and the] White House counsel [were] aware of donations collecte= d=20 by Trie, which were comprised of foreign funds in violation of PLET rules a= nd=20 regulations."=20 * LaBella, p. 89: "The magnitude of these abuses can alter the outcome of= a=20 particular election."=20 'Anyone other than the president'=20 * LaBella, p. 14: "If these allegations involved anyone other than the=20 president, vice president, senior White House or DNC and Clinton-Gore '96=20 officials, an appropriate investigation would have commenced months ago=20 without hesitation."=20 Stunning stuff. So why wasn't Reno forced out long ago, as was John Mitchel= l=20 during Watergate? Why hasn't Clinton had to go on TV to declare he's not a= =20 crook?=20 Why isn't Gore hounded by reporters everywhere he goes? How is Hillary able= =20 to mount a credible run for the U.S. Senate?=20 Because the establishment press has bottled up the dirt on them and kept it= =20 from the public.=20 But no more. The cat's out of the bag. Now it's up to citizens to demand=20 lawmakers exercise their duty under the Constitution and check these=20 executive-branch abuses.=20 Their next step should be to investigate the foot-dragging investigators at= =20 Justice to see if they took any marching orders from the White House.=20 Before they can do that, though, Congress must remove Reno, the prime=20 obstacle of justice, from power. The House Judiciary Committee should now=20 move to draft impeachment papers against her and hold hearings.=20 Waiting to send a criminal referral, in the hopes likely GOP presidential=20 hopeful George W. Bush takes over, assumes he 1) will win and 2) will have= =20 the guts to prosecute Reno. And by then it would be too late anyway. Reno=20 could easily cover her tracks.=20 Then, after Reno is removed, Congress should force Justice to turn the=20 Chinagate probe over to a special outside prosecutor, where it's belonged a= ll=20 along.=20 Congress needs also to get quickly to the bottom of the Project X e-mail=20 scandal. It may shed some light on any collusion between Justice and the=20 White House.=20 The White House has kept hidden from investigators more than 246,000=20 subpoenaed e-mails sent mostly to Clinton and his top aides from outside th= e=20 White House from 1996 to 1998.=20 Did any of the e-mail come from Reno or her Chinagate bottleneckers in the= =20 Public Integrity Section?=20 See WND's news report on the Freeh and LaBella memos.=20 Go to the Freeh memo.=20 Go to the LaBella memo.=20 Paul Sperry is Washington bureau chief for WorldNetDaily.=20 =A0=A0 E-mail to a friend=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 Printer-friendly version =A0 Every American concerned about the rule of law and national security should= =20 read them. Their findings are shocking, alarming and leave little wonder wh= y=20 the Clinton administration has suppressed them for years. LaBella's narrative, in particular, reads like a road map to likely White=20 House felonies involving Clinton and Gore. It also documents the concentrated effort among Justice Department brass,=20 from Attorney General Janet Reno on down, to keep a lid on the crimes,=20 ostensibly to protect Reno's boss and keep voters in the dark about what he= =20 and Gore did. =A9 2000 WorldNetDaily.com, Inc. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [newsucanuse] VIN -- close down the DOE (fwd) Date: 16 Jun 2000 11:34:57 PST On Jun 16, SlickEditor@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Hose out the ant farm The federal Department of Education, which disposes of a budget of more than $32 billion and manages billions more in student loans, has paid grant winners twice and forgiven loans to fraudulent borrowers, federal officials discovered last month. This year, the agency sent duplicate checks to contractors and grantees totaling about $150 million. For good measure, the investigators also uncovered a $1 million "employee theft ring" dealing in stolen equipment and falsely reported overtime, The Associated Press reports. And that probe wasn't even a thorough audit by the General Accounting Office -- a sensible step finally proposed by Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., and OK'd by the House Tuesday on a lopsided vote of 383-19. That new probe is likely to focus on student loans; will examine all transactions instead of a small sample; and will check documents for forgeries, rather than "just accepting documentation at face value," says Gloria Jarmon, who handles education matters for the GAO. Only Democrats opposed the Hoekstra bill, presumably at the behest of DOE officials who said a special probe is not warranted because its internal auditors have already cooperated with the FBI. "It is our position that the inspector general, whenever there is any question raised of wrongdoing or fraud, has thoroughly and promptly investigated," said Erica Lepping, spokeswoman for Education Secretary Richard Riley. This despite the fact that independent auditors hired by the department to review the DOE's Fiscal Year '98 records concluded they "could not offer an opinion on the agency's accounting" -- a polite accountant way of saying the books are such a mess no one can make head nor tail of them. For once, in this case, the Democrats and their incompetent Education secretary are correct. A GAO audit of the Department of Education is not necessary, and is unlikely to do much good. Why? Because the very process of an audit assumes there is some correct and constitutional way for the DOE to spend that $32 billion a year, when in fact one may search Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution to the point of exhaustion without finding any delegated power for the federal congress to meddle in the schooling of the nation's youth -- clearly a matter for the states or for the people in their private capacity as parents, under the unambiguous terms of the 10th Amendment. The republic got along just fine -- in fact, the average high school graduate was far better educated than today's -- for nearly two centuries without any federal "Department of Education." George Washington had none; Abe Lincoln had none; even Lyndon Baines Johnson didn't see a need for one. Yes, education is important. So is sunlight. Do we therefore need a Federal Department of Sunlight? The Department of Education, created 25 years ago as a patronage hand-out to the teachers unions by a grateful Jimmy Carter, has never educated a single child. It operates no schools. It has never instituted a single innovation to make local education in America cheaper or more effective. Quite the opposite, in fact -- it has done little but inundate our local school districts in a blizzard of federal paper, requiring them to enlist massive new cadres of overpriced bureaucrats who never set foot in a classroom, who do nothing but shovel up the federal paperwork and mail it back to Washington, either proving their "compliance," or seeking waivers from mandates of "compliance," or simply enclosing checks to pay our fines for "noncompliance." Oh, happy days. Ronald Reagan, who at least talked like a constitutionalist, promised repeatedly to "zero out," to eliminate, to close the DOE. The excuse for the GOP's failure to do so in the '80s was always that a Democratic congress controlled the purse strings. Then, aiming to capture Congress from the Democrats in 1994, the GOP again promised to shut down the DOE -- and won election on the strength of that promise, as well as a similar promise to roll back federal gun control (score to date on the two promises: zero.) Well, the GOP controls both houses of Congress now, while the White House is occupied by a disgraced and discredited lying lecher. When does the Republican Party think there will be a better time to pass legislation ordering the immediate closure of the federal Department of Education, with its current functions to be taken up by no one at all; the sum total of its authorizing legislation to be summarily repealed; its offices to be vacated and offered up for sale or lease to private parties no later than Jan. 20 of the year 2001? Let them do so now, and if Bill Clinton chooses to veto such eminently sensible and constitutionally required legislation, then let President Bush sign it as his first act in office next year. Why wait another day? Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. His book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available by dialing 1-800-244-2224; or via web site http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com "The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John Hay, 1872 "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken * * * To subscribe, send a message to vinsends-request@ezlink.com, from your NEW address, including the word "subscribe" (with no quotation marks) in the "Subject" line. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fratrum] Re: It's Amazing What One Has To Believe... (fwd) Date: 16 Jun 2000 14:33:28 PST On Jun 16, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Think you might enjoy this. I really like the point made on the National Guard. Huck Patricia Neill wrote: > It's Amazing What One Has To Believe...To Believe In Gun Control > By Michael Z. Williamson > > That the more helpless you are, the safer you are from criminals. > > That Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to > gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is > attributable to the lack of gun control. > > That an intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, > but if shot with a .44 Magnum will get angry and kill you. > > That firearms in the hands of private citizens are the gravest > threat to world peace, and China, Pakistan and Korea can be trusted > with nuclear weapons. > > That Charlton Heston as president of the NRA is a shill who should > be ignored, but Michael Douglas as a representative of Handgun > Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an > audience at the UN arms control summit. > > That ordinary people, in the presence of guns, turn into > slaughtering butchers, and revert to normal when the weapon is > removed. > > That one should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat > belts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for spinal > paralysis, a computer programmer for Y2K problems, and Sarah Brady for > firearms expertise > > That the 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, allows the states to > have a National Guard, created by act of Congress in 1917. > > That the National Guard, paid by the federal government, occupying > property leased to the federal government, using weapons owned by > the federal government, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a > state agency. > > That it is reasonable for California to have a minimum 2 year > sentence for possessing but not using an assault rifle, and reasonable > for California to have a 6 month minimum sentence for raping a female > police officer. > > That it is reasonable to jail people for carrying but not using > guns, but outrageous to jail people for possessing marijuana. > > That minimum sentences violate civil rights, unless it's for > possessing a gun. > > That door-to-door searches for drugs are a gross violation of > civil rights and a sign of fascism, but door-to-door searches for guns > are a reasonable solution to the "gun problem." > > That the first amendment absolutely allows child pornography and > threats to kill cops, but doesn't apply to manuals on gun repair. > > That free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, > computers, and typewriters, but self defense only justifies bare > hands. > > That with the above, a 90 lb woman attacked by a 300 lb rapist and > his 300 lb buddy, has the "right" to kill them in self defense, > provided she uses her bare hands. > > That gun safety courses in school only encourage kids to commit > violence, but sex education in school doesn't encourage kids to > have sex. > > That the ready availability of guns today, with only a few > government forms, waiting periods, checks, infringements, ID, and > fingerprinting, is responsible for all the school shootings, compared > to the lack of school shootings in the 1950's and 1960's, which was caused > by the awkward availability of guns at any hardware store, gas station, and > by mail order. > > That we must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on > a shooting spree at any time, and anyone who owns a gun out of fear > of such a lunatic is paranoid. > > That there is too much explicit violence featuring guns on TV, and > that cities can sue gun manufacturers because people aren't aware of > the dangers involved with guns. > > That the crime rate in America is decreasing because of gun > control, and the increase in crime requires more gun control. > > That statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control, and > statistics that show increasing murder rates after gun control are > "just statistics." > > That we don't need guns against an oppressive government, because > the Constitution has internal safeguards, and we should ban and seize > all guns, therefore violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments of that > Constitution, thereby becoming an oppressive government. > > That guns are an ineffective means of self defense for rational > adults, but in the hands of an ignorant criminal become a threat to > the fabric of society. > > That guns are so complex to use that special training is necessary > to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder > easy. > > That guns cause crime, which is why there are so many mass > slayings at gun shows. > > That guns aren't necessary to national defense, which is why the > army only has 3 million of them. > > That banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, and Chicago > cops need guns. > > That the Constitution protects us, so we don't need guns, and can > confiscate them, thereby violating the 5th amendment of that > constitution. > > That one should ignore as idiots, politicians who confuse Wicca > with Satanism and exaggerate the gay community as a threat to society, > but listen sagely to politicians who can refer to a self-loading small > arm as a "weapon of mass destruction" and an "assault weapon." > > That Massachusetts is safer with bans on guns, which is why Teddy > Kennedy has machine-gun toting guards. > > That most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against > guns, which most people will abide by, because they can be trusted. > > That a woman raped and strangled with her panties is morally > superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet. > > That the right of online child pornographers to exist cannot be > questioned because it is a constitutionally protected extension of > the Bill of Rights, and the claim that handguns are for self defense > is merely an excuse, and not really protected by the Bill of Rights. > > That the ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain > parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends > other parts of the Constitution. > > That police operate in groups with backup, which is why they need > larger capacity magazines than civilians, who must face criminals > alone,and therefore need less ammunition. > > That we should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive > guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too. > > That guns have no legitimate use, but alcohol does, which is why we > issue cops beer instead of guns. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: NRA-ILA FAX ALERT (fwd) Date: 16 Jun 2000 16:31:18 PST [excerpt] On Jun 16, alerts@nra.org wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] NRA-ILA FAX ALERT Vol. 7, No. 24 6/16/00 SENATOR CRAIG REQUESTS ACCOUNTS OF DEFENSIVE USES OF FIREARMS U.S. Senator (and NRA Board Member) Larry Craig (R-Id.) recently gave an impassioned defense of our Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and also called on law-abiding gun owners who have used their firearms to defend themselves or their family to send him their accounts. (You will be able to find the full text of Senator Craig's speech posted on NRAILA.org, under the section called Research & Information.) Several anti-gun Senators have recently stood on the Senate floor to read the names of crime victims, implying that lives could be saved by their anti-gun, anti-personal protection agenda. Craig responded in part by speaking of the defensive uses of firearms by law-abiding citizens that take place every day in America, citing specific examples where firearms in the hands of responsible gun owners saved lives, as well as referencing the extensive research that indicates firearms are used as many as 2.5 million times every year in self-defense. Craig also addressed those who misinterpret the meaning of the Second Amendment in order to promote "gun control" and their false claim that the reference to a "well regulated Militia" merely "means that it is a right of our Government to keep and bear arms." Senator Craig was quick to point out, however, that "under this standard, the Bill of Rights would protect only the right of a government to speak, or the right of a government to criticize itself, if you were taking that same argument and (applying it to) the First Amendment. In fact, the Bill of Rights protects the rights of people from being infringed upon by Government -- not the other way around." He then went on to state that the "framers of our Constitution wrote the Second Amendment with a greater purpose. They made the Second Amendment the law of the land because it has something very particular to say about the rights of every man and every woman....That is: The first right of every human being (is) the right of self-defense....Our Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment to tell us that a free state cannot exist if the people are denied the right or the means to defend themselves." Craig ended his oration with a specific invitation. "I encourage all listening today, if you have heard of someone using their Second Amendment rights to prevent a crime, to save a life, to protect another life, then send us your story," he said. "Send me those stories from your local newspapers about that law-abiding citizen who used his constitutional right of self-defense. Send that story to me, Senator Larry Craig, Washington, DC, 20510, or send it to your own Senator." If you wish to take Senator Craig up on his invitation, but need to know the address of your U.S. Senators, you can call the Grassroots Division at (800) 392-8683, or use the "Write Your Reps" feature at www.NRAILA.org. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fratrum] [Fwd: [FPE] WDC:Global governance introduced in Congress] (fwd) Date: 18 Jun 2000 13:46:45 PST We've seen these Anti-Gun/Gun Owner names before, but now it looks like they're _really_ coming out of the closet..... On Jun 18, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Reply-To: FPE@egroups.com Forwarded courtesy of Jackie Juntti. ====================================== http://www.eco.freedom.org/el/20000602/tobin.shtml Sunday, June 18, 2000 Global governance introduced in Congress eco-logic report The idea of a global tax for the United Nations is seen as nothing more than "wishful thinking" by Americans who believe that Congress would never let it happen. Nor would Congress allow the U.N. to create an independent standing army, say the disbelievers. Wake up! It is Congress that can make both happen. Two Congressmen, elected by the people, have introduced a resolution calling for the Tobin Tax. This is one of the highest priority items on the agenda of the U.N. Millennium Assembly, and fully supported by the NGO Forum. Two different bills have been introduced which call for a U.N. standing army. HR 4453 , introduced by James McGovern (D-MA), John Porter (R-IL), and Connie Morella (R-MD); and H.Con.Res. 346 , introduced by Albert Wynn (D-MD). Read it for yourself. Study the proposed bills and Explore the links at the end of this Resolution and discover just how much momentum the global tax initiative has generated. Global taxation and a U.N. standing army will occur unless a new breed of representatives are sent to Washington. ---- U.S. Congress Concurrent Resolution on Taxing Cross-border Currency Transactions to Deter Excessive Speculation (H.Con.Res.301) Congressman Peter DeFazio (D-OR) and Senator Paul Wellstone (D-MN) (Introduced April 11, 2000) ---- It is the sense of the Senate and the House of Reprentatives that the United States should show leadership by enacting, in concert with the international community, transaction taxes on short-term, cross-border foreign exchange transactions to deter speculation. The adoption of such Tobin-style taxes should be done in coordination with a large number of nations, in a fully transparent and accountable manner, with the revenue dedicated to urgent global needs. A. Introduction WHEREAS every day over $1.8 trillion in currency exchanges moves across national borders, a volume far greater than in the last decade; and WHEREAS such rapid movement of foreign currency has created some additional opportunities for legitimate productive investment, but also has created the potential of triggering national currency collapses and resulting financial crises; I. Currency Market's Volume and Volatility WHEREAS daily trading in currency markets increased from $0.2 trillion to over $1.8 trillion in just over a decade, from 1986 to 1998; by comparison, the trade in goods and services for all countries for an entire year is only $4.3 trillion; and, therefore, in less than a week, foreign exchange transactions exceed the entire annual volume of world trade in goods and services; WHEREAS over 85 percent of these transactions are of a purely speculative nature where investors bet on whether currency values and interest rates will move up or down, and thus bear little or no relationship to the production and trade in goods or services; WHEREAS more than 40 percent of all these transactions involve round trips of fewer than three days; and over 80 percent of global foreign exchange transactions involve round trips of less than a week; WHEREAS the vast majority of transactions take place in relatively few financial centers, particularly the United Kingdom (32 percent), the United States (18 percent), Japan (8 percent), Singapore (7 percent), Germany (5 percent), Switzerland (4 percent), Hong Kong (4 percent), and France (4 percent); WHEREAS these speculative transactions themselves often cause short-term fluctuations of exchange rates, thus provoking more speculation; II. Sovereignty and Stability of Nations Threatened WHEREAS such volume and volatility of liberalized capital flows not only threatens national currency devaluation and financial crises, but disrupts the ability of nations to establish equitable and just economic policies; to intervene to protect their own currencies; and to provide support for needed social and environmental programs; WHEREAS in the past, central bank reserves were sufficient to combat any speculation on their country's currency; now, however, financial speculators have created a daily market volume which dwarfs all of the world's central banks combined; and therefore, when a country cannot defend its currency, it effectively loses control of its monetary policy; WHEREAS such speculative pressure on a currency results in higher interest rates than is warranted by internal monetary conditions; leading to a lowering of economic growth and an increase in domestic unemployment with the related social problems; WHEREAS there is overwhelming evidence that the lack of stability helps to cause financial crises with increasing frequency (1992/93 Europe, 1994 Mexico, 1997 Southeast Asia, 1998 Russia, 1999 Brazil), even in countries where basic economic fundamentals are sound, and the market reacts irrationally to rumors ("herd behavior"), causing "speculative bubbles" to burst when speculators flee a particular currency; WHEREAS such financial crises can have enormous impact worldwide; for example, the Asian currency crisis lowered the world growth projection for 1998 by one percent and increased worldwide unemployment by 10 million; and unpredictable exchange rate fluctuations create additional uncertainties for entrepreneurs, making rational planning more difficult; WHEREAS such crises have not only economic impact, including exacerbation of global economic inequality; but also social impact including increased unemployment, price increases and disruptions, plant closures, poverty, human rights violations, diversion of resources from sustainable development, and social upheaval; which burden poor, indigenous, and middle-income populations most heavily; WHEREAS such impacts in other nations have a spillover effect in the United States and elsewhere by contributing to increased trade imbalances, dumping of low-price products on overburdened markets, and contributing to increased unemployment, volatility in agriculture markets, and stagnant or falling wages; WHEREAS de facto support by governments and international institutions of excessive financial speculation may undermine desired macroeconomic policies and contribute to moral hazard and irresponsible market behavior; III. Transaction Taxes as a Partial Solution WHEREAS excessive speculation could be curbed by a very small tax of between 0.1 percent and 0.25 percent on each cross-border currency transaction (now commonly called "Tobin-style taxes", as proposed in 1978 by Nobel prize winning economist James Tobin), or an alternate two-tiered version (proposed in 1996 by German economist and IMF consultant Paul Bernd Spahn); WHEREAS such a tax reduces incentives for short-term speculation while remaining small enough to leave longer-term investments intact; with the resulting increased stability of exchange rates serving as a stimulus for productive trade; WHEREAS the senior economist of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco has written, "...if your goal is to limit short-term speculation, it is hard to beat the Tobin tax"; WHEREAS the revenues from such a tax, projected to be between $50 billion and $300 billion a year, would provide urgently needed resources to combat global and local crises; WHEREAS concerns voiced about tax havens and the collection and enforcement of such taxes have been researched by economists, and plans proposed to answer these concerns, such as collection at settlement sites to ensure universality and to track derivative instruments, as proposed by Schmidt; WHEREAS there is already an international movement in support of a transactions tax, including passage of a resolution in the Canadian Parliament, introduction of resolutions in the European Parliament, the French Parliament, and British House of Commons, substantive discussion of the issue in the European Parliament and the parliaments of Switzerland and Germany, plus a chapter in the current Finnish government rules; Now, therefore be it resolved by the U.S. House of Representatives, that - (1) It is the Sense of the House that - (A) The United States should show leadership by enacting, in concert with the international community, transaction taxes on short-term, cross-border foreign exchange transactions to deter speculation. The adoption of such Tobin-style taxes should be done in coordination with a large number of nations, in a fully transparent and accountable manner, with the revenue dedicated to urgent global needs; (B) The United States should build support for and advocate this position at the World Bank and the IMF, as well as within other regional and international organizations, including the OECD, the G-8, and the newly established G-20; (C) This should not be done in isolation of other initiatives for reform of global finance. Instead, the United States should continue to explore other options together with the international community. These options include, but are not limited to: tougher transparency rules, tighter reserve requirements, creation of exchange rate "target zones", national currency controls, cash requirements for mutual funds, and stronger source-country measures such as disincentives for short-term lending. ---- The office of Congressman DeFazio is located at: 2134 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington DC 20515 202.225.6416 ph 202.225.0032 fx E-mail: peter.defazio@mail.house.gov Web: www.house.gov/defazio/index.htm The office of Senator Wellstone is located at: 136 Hart Senate Office Building, Washington DC 20510 202.224.5641 ph 202.224.8438 fx E-mail: senator_wellstone@exchange.senate.gov Web: wellstone.senate.gov For further information, contact Tom Vinson tom.vinson@mail.house.gov ---- Tobin Tax Initiative CEED/IIRP, PO Box 4167 Arcata, CA 95518-4167 phone: (707) 822-8347, fax: (707) 822-4457 e-mail: cecilr@humboldt1.com Home | Who Are We | What are Tobin Taxes | Tobin Tax Policy | Tobin Tax Bibliography US Campaigns | Campaigns Around the World | Contact the Initiative The Tobin Tax Initiative is a project of the Center for Environmental Economic Development. 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Washington Grassroots Email Network (WGEN) idzrus@earthlink.net (Jackie Juntti, moderator) Where the Conservative message is posted - UNEDITED http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb70701 - Politics [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: US a "Police State" (fwd) Date: 19 Jun 2000 11:16:59 PST On Jun 18, ASSETNJ@AOL.COM wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Leading Democrat Decries US "Police State" Prominent Democratic congressman James A. Traficant (Ohio) says America has become a virtual police state, and he wants to create a new federal agency to investigate crimes committed by the U.S. Department of Justice. Rep. Traficant made his astonishing remarks after observing suspicious events in the current Waco investigation, culminating in the sudden death in April of Carlos Ghigliotti, a forensic expert investigating Waco deaths. Ghigliotti, 42, was hired by the House Government Reform Committee to analyze infrared film taken by the FBI during its April 1993 Waco assault. He was highly critical of FBI and Justice Department claims about Waco. His body, badly decomposed, was found in his office in late April. A local medical examiner's office declared the cause of death was a heart attack in his sleep. Traficant is skeptical. "We have developed a stone cold police state in America, believe me, from Waco, Ruby Ridge, to Miami, Florida," Traficant said. "Every American knows it, [but] no one is doing anything about it." Traficant has introduced legislation to create the Fair Justice Agency, a new federal agency that would have the power to investigate and prosecute misconduct, criminal activity, corruption or fraud by an officer or employee of the Justice Department. The head of the FJA would be appointed by the President, confirmed by the Senate, and would serve a 10-year-term -- unless, of course, murdered first. (Source: "Congressman Fears Police State, Says Waco Expert May Have Murdered" by Stephan Archer, May 30, 2000, Newsmax.com) [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Boycott of Toys R Us (fwd) Date: 19 Jun 2000 11:19:20 PST On Jun 18, Swftl@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] In a message dated 06/18/2000 3:09:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, goodwid@bigfoot.com writes: << I read the attached story in the New York Post on line today at http://www.nypostonline.com/business/6190.htm . I posted the following on the Toys R Us Website, on their contact page at http://www15.toysrus.com/handler.cfm?sn=pg_help_contact_us : I am the father of a 9-year-old girl, and live within a half mile of your Toys R Us store in Culver City, California. I have spent thousands of dollars on merchandise at Toys R Us in the last 9 years, starting with infant supplies, and ranging from toys, games, athletic equipment, computer software, videos, and books. I just read in the New York Post that Toys R Us is trying to prevent the NRA from opening its theme facility in New York's Times Square, by refusing to sign a lease there if the NRA opens. As the bestselling author of two books on the self- defense issue, a writer for prime-time network TV, an award-winning novelist, a journalist published in major newspapers and national magazines, a person who has passed California's Peace Officers Standards and Training, a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm in nine states, the son of a concert violinist who saved his life five or more times because he carried a licensed, concealed firearm, and as an NRA member who wishes to pass on the right to keep and bear arms to his daughter, I will never again spend a cent in a Toys R Us store, or on the Toys R Us website. Consider yourself boycotted. This message is being passed along to everyone I know, asking them to join the boycott. J. Neil Schulman, webmaster The World Wide Web Gun Defense Clock at http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/ author, Stopping Power: Why 70 Million Americans Own Guns & Self Control Not Gun Control Personal website at http://www.pulpless.com/jneil/ - - - - -- The Libertarian Party has no power. That is its prime virtue. The Republican Party isn't the Democratic Party. That is its prime virtue. The Democratic Party is obvious in its thirst for power. That is its only virtue. J. Neil Schulman, April 23, 2000 EaZychair, Inc.: http://www.eaZychair.com Pulpless.Com Book Catalog: http://www.pulpless.com/ The World According to J. Neil Schulman: http://www.pulpless.com/jneil/ The World Wide Web Gun Defense Clock: http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/ Petition: Report the News on DGU's: http://www.i-charity.net/sw.cgi/ptn/40 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Million Moms Changed Mind of Local Man -- Against Them] (fwd) Date: 19 Jun 2000 12:21:27 PST On Jun 19, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Keep and Bear Arms http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid= 197 Million Moms Changed Mind of Local Man -- Against Them by Wolf N. Rose No one denies we need to curb violence involving misused guns, but I was still at least partially undecided about some gun-related issues until some weeks ago, on May 14th. I am writing to you in hopes of sharing my own experiences with you and your readers. I live in a semi-rural neighborhood, where police OPENLY admit to a 15 minute (or longer) response time to 911 calls. In fact, one unexpectedly forthright DC officer I spoke with said that 45 minutes is not at all uncommon in his precinct, and "We [officers] frequently [first repond and] take the first report the day after the crime if the call comes in at night [when there are apparently fewer officers on duty]." When I asked when most emergency calls actually come in, he half-smiled/half-grimaced for a moment and simply said "At night." Fearing reprimand, he asked I not give his name in any of my writings. Knowing that both MMM and Second Amendment Sisters would be present on the Mall in DC, I spoke with a few participants of both of their rallies, with the intent to educate myself before wholly passing judgment for either group. I asked both groups the same, somewhat open question : "Why are you, personally, here today?" When I spoke to one member of the Million Moms, I was told "Because I have a great Mom, and it's Mother's Day!" When more specifically asked about guns, this person said they support fewer gun laws, and own several guns -- they had no idea what Million Moms was asking for, and claimed they would be joining the SAS march after I spoke to them. One younger gentleman very tellingly simply said "I get school credit for being here today. I don't think I do if I support the SAS march." One family said they attended MMM because "The City of Richmond paid to bus my family up, and it's a nice day for a picnic." One mother was wearing a stack of photos of her children around her neck -- when I questioned her, she said three of her children were gang members, and had sadly been shot to death by Police. She said she "was [there] to ban guns because [she doesn't] know what else to do." While my heart very sincerely goes out to her for her loss of her children, I couldn't make a connection between banning civilian (non-Police) guns and the Police being forced to shoot gang members. There are just too many things wrong with that logic. Another Mom said "I don't want to own a gun because I am sometimes suicidal, and I tend to lose my temper frequently; I am afraid I might shoot my own children." I must sincerely applaud her choice for not owning a gun, and her self awareness! When questioned "Do you think all mothers have the potential to kill their children?" she greatly surprised me by saying "Of course! Don't you ever lose your temper?" I had to respectfully confess that while I HAVE been forced to defend my life several times, I have never ONCE lost my tempter enough to raise a fist, much less a gun. And to utterly lose control enough to raise a gun to an innocent child!?!? Quite honestly, anyone that would even distantly consider such a thing truly sickens me. Ultimately, the emotion I got more than anything from the MMM group was simply an unfocused fear of their fellow armed citizens, ignorance of gun-related facts, and complete confusion as to what to do about violence in general. The one mother above said it best : "I just don't know what else to do... so I'm here." When I spoke to people at the Second Amendment Sister's gathering, I heard heartbreaking stories of being raped, family members being murderred in their own houses and in restaurants, churches and schools (where current laws forbid concealed carry), and over and over the same gist was independantly restated : "If I had the gun I now carry, it would have been an easy shot to stop [that crime]." Even if I didn't already generally agree with guns, I have to admit that this smaller group, to a one, had rational and strongly moving reasons for what they supported. Not one person I spoke with in the SAS group had any confusion over what they were there for. Since I visited the SAS group second, they began their march while I was still talking to one indulgent young man. What happened next clinched my admittedly rapidly firming views : while I continued to talk to this gentleman, the opposing crowd we walked by began to throw things. At more than one intesection, we were actually spit on by the Million Mom supporters, many of whom were small children, apparently already being taught intolerance and disrespect of others. Several times, young shirtless men with red paint 'bullet wounds' shouted at us language I haven't heard from seasoned sailors. When one of these boys yelled "I don't trust you with a gun!" I have to admit agreeing with a woman next to me who answered "How can I trust YOU without one?" At the end of the SAS march, the participants chanted "Thank You, Police" to our escorts, who unquestionably stopped several of the more violent attacks from the Million Moms. As a result of the above fact finding and demonstrations, I personally believe in the right of responsible people to carry completely unrestricted; to choose how to secure their "life preservers" if they have children in their homes. I also support holding parents absolutely responsible for the actions of their children, whether those children abuse an otherwise legal firearm or abuse those who choose to legally own one. Wolf N. Rose For subscription info, go to: http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/piml [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Boycott of Toys R Us (fwd) (fwd) Date: 19 Jun 2000 13:32:10 PST OOPS! Better hang fire on that boycott..... On Jun 19, Paul A. Miller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >I posted the following on the Toys R Us Website, on their contact page at > http://www15.toysrus.com/handler.cfm?sn=pg_help_contact_us : > I am the father of a 9-year-old girl, and live within a half mile of > your Toys R Us store in Culver City, California. I have spent thousands of > dollars on merchandise at Toys R Us in the last 9 years, starting with > infant supplies, and ranging from toys, games, athletic equipment, > computer software, videos, and books. I just read in the New York Post > that Toys R Us is trying to prevent the NRA from opening its theme > facility in New York's Times Square, by refusing to sign a lease there if > the NRA opens. >From another list... I took the initiative last Friday (late) to contact ToysRUs and find out if the story about Times Square was true. This morning a Susan McLaughlin, Director of corporate communications, called me back and stated that the story is FALSE. They have no intentions of putting a store in Times Square whether or not the NRA is there. Susan further stated that they have contacted the reporter to get the story straight. She sounded very frustrated. When I asked her if they were going to put out a press release, she said that ToysRUs has a corporate policy of not publicly commenting on rumors one way or the other. I thought everybody should know so we don't boycott an innocent company. Also, please feel free to forward this message to other lists to help get the word out. Regards, Philip Van Cleave [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: News Item: U.S. retail gasoline price at new record (fwd) Date: 19 Jun 2000 16:21:03 PST On Jun 19, The McGehee Zone wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Reuters has a news item, found at http://news.excite.com/news/r/000619/17/energy-gasoline-price2 , which notes that gasoline prices are at a new record high -- while also noting that even at these record highs they're still less than what people in "some European and Asian countries" have to pay. I would point out that very few European or Asian countries (outside the Middle East) have the petroleum reserves we have. Our gasoline prices ought to be closer to what people in some Persian Gulf countries pay -- for gasoline that is, not for water -- than to what they pay in France or Germany. The United States' petroleum crunch is due to certain key "mistakes" made by our government. First, the government has locked up huge amounts of crude oil out of reach of drillers who could easily help meet some of the demand that is driving prices up. Second, as reported last week by Rush Limbaugh, the EPA has mandated a hodgepodge of fuel recipes for different major cities to address the problem of smog, and in some instances the recipe is unique to a particular city. When the EPA was asked for a waiver so that cities with massive shortages of the required formulation could be supplied with available fuel, the EPA's administrator, Carol Browner, said NO. What makes these actions "mistakes" is not the possibility that they were unintentional, nor even that their impact on gasoline prices was not anticipated -- but that even a government that seeks to blame OPEC and Big Oil for this situation can't escape being held responsible in the court of public opinion, even if only for failure to fix the problem allegedly posed by these outside entities. But if more people fully understood the source of these prices, the government would find itself in even deeper trouble than that. What those who speak of European fuel prices never tell us is that most of the cost of gasoline in Europe is taxation. Here, taxes still make up less than half of the price of a gallon of gas, especially now -- but the hidden "tax" imposed by unreasonable government action is directly responsible for most of the remainder in places like Chicago that are seeing nearly $3.00 a gallon gas prices, as well as in most of the rest of the country where prices average well above $1.50 a gallon. To the extent that OPEC has been able to exploit the deranged environmental rules imposed by the current administration, the fault lies even so with those who have perpetuated our dependence on foreign oil sources by keeping American oil reserves under lock and key. "Deranged" is the only word that can be applied to an administration that allows this to happen in an election year. Kevin McGehee Thomas Crossroads, GA stormrider@mcgeheezone.com http://www.McGeheeZone.com/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The Supreme Court (fwd) Date: 19 Jun 2000 18:19:57 PST On Jun 19, House, David Alan wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I wanted to exercise the thought concerning the number of Supreme Court Justices which might be needed during the next Presidential term or two, hence the included info below. I am not aware of any comments by the current members regarding any planned dates of retirement so I will assume for now that they will continue as long as health will allow. The retirement of Justice Blackmun in '94 was 5 years prior to his death. He served for 24 years, and was 86 years old when he left the bench. With nothing more than rough estimates, I decided to extrapolate some guestimates. The average age of the current Justices was 51 upon taking the oath, average current age is 66, average time on the bench is 15 years, and I would offer an educated guess that most of them will serve for approximately 30 years. Of those who are the most aged there are 3 worthy of particular note for this analysis. Stevens, (80), Rehnquist, (76), & O'Conner, (70). Of these, I would expect Stevens, with 25 years on the bench, and Rehnquist, with 28 years, to be the most likely candidates for retirement within the next 8 years. Personally I don't expect Rehnquist, as Chief Justice, to seriously consider his retirement for several years yet, and more probably falling within the 4 to 8 year mark rather than in the next 4 years. Stevens might be more likely to relinquish his post during the next 4 year period, but could easily surprise us by staying in a bit longer. Therefore it seems to me that it is unlikely more than two of the members will be leaving office in the next 8 years, and only a possibility of one in the next 4. Of course that is a fluid situation and complete guesswork and partial prognostication on my part, but from this perspective, it would seem that there is little reason to expect the next occupant of the oval office to nominate more than one person to the bench of the Supreme Court, and more probably none. In my opinion, of course. David House http://www.uscourts.gov/understanding_courts/8995.htm The Supreme Court The Supreme Court of the United States consists of nine justices appointed for life by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate. (See Figure 2. ) One justice is appointed as the Chief Justice and has additional administrative duties related both to the Supreme Court and to the entire federal court system. Each justice is assigned to one of the courts of appeals for emergency responses. The Supreme Court meets on the first Monday of October each year and usually continues in session through June. The Supreme Court receives and disposes of about 5,000 cases each year, most by a brief decision that the subject matter is either not proper or not of sufficient importance to warrant review by the full court. Cases are heard en banc, which means by all the justices sitting together in open court. Each year the court decides about 150 cases of great national importance and interest, and about three-fourths of such decisions are announced in full published opinions. The Supreme Court is located across the street from the U.S. Capitol Building in Washington, D.C. The mailing address for the Court is One First Street, N.E., Washington, D.C. 20543 The Supreme Court of the United States There are nine justices: one Chief Justice and eight associate justices. Chief Justice of the United States: William H. Rehnquist, entered on duty September 26, 1986 Associate Justices: John Paul Stevens Sandra Day O'Connor Antonin Scalia Anthony M. Kennedy David H. Souter Clarence Thomas Ruth Bader Ginsburg Stephen G. Breyer Retired Associate Justices Byron R. White Harry A. Blackmun Lewis F. Powell, Jr. http://www.senate.gov/~judiciary/106stats.htm Status of "Article III Judicial Nominations Updated: 6/5/2000 TOTAL NUMBER OF CLINTON JUDGES APPOINTED, 1993 - to the PRESENT : 361 TOTAL NUMBER OF CLINTON NOMINEES CONFIRMED DURING THE 106TH CONGRESS : 41 Supreme Court Judges: 0 Courts of Appeals Judges: 14 District Courts Judges: 42 Court of International Trade Judges: 1 TOTAL 57 TOTAL NUMBER OF VACANCIES IN THE FEDERAL JUDICIARY : 66 Supreme Court Vacancies: 0 Courts of Appeals Vacancies: 22 District Courts Vacancies: 44 Court of International Trade Vacancies: 0 TOTAL 66 TOTAL NUMBER OF VACANCIES WITH NO NOMINEE SLATED TO FILL THE POSITION : 32 Supreme Court Vacancies: 0 Courts of Appeals Vacancies: 8 District Courts Vacancies: 24 Court of International Trade Vacancies: 0 TOTAL 32 TOTAL NUMBER OF NOMINATIONS PENDING : 37 Supreme Court : 0 Courts of Appeals : 15 District Courts : 22 Court of International Trade : 0 TOTAL 37 LOCATION/STATUS OF THE NOMINATIONS PENDING: 37 Nominees Pending on the Senate Floor: - Nominees Pending in Committee with a Hearing: 7 Nominees Pending in Committee without a Hearing: 30 TOTAL 37 http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/justices/ Ruth Bader Ginsburg, March 15, 1933 Nominated by President Clinton as Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States; took oath of office August 10, 1993. David Hackett Souter, September 17, 1939 Associate Justice, Supreme Court of the United States, 1990. Clarence Thomas, June 28, 1948 Nominated by President Bush as Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court: took oath of office October 23, 1991. Stephen Breyer, August 15, 1938 Associate Justice, Supreme Court of the United States, August 3, 1994 (nominated by President Clinton) Antonin Scalia, March 11, 1936 Nominated by President Reagan as Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court; took oath of office September 26, 1986. John Paul Stevens, April 20, 1920 Nominated by President Ford as Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court on December 1, 1975; confirmed by the United States Senate on December 17, 1975; and took oath of office on December 19, 1975. William Hubbs Rehnquist, October 1, 1924 Nominated Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States by President Nixon on October 21, 1971; sworn in on January 7, 1972. Nominated Chief Justice of the United States by President Reagan on June 17, 1986; sworn in on September 26, 1986. Sandra Day O'Connor, March 26, 1930 Nominated by President Reagan as Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court on July 7, 1981; confirmed by the United States Senate on September 22, 1981; and took oath of office on September 25, 1981. Anthony M. Kennedy, July 23, 1936 Nominated by President Reagan as Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court; took oath of office February 18, 1988. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Harris-Excite Poll Waco - Blame (fwd) Date: 20 Jun 2000 16:16:49 PST On Jun 20, Bill Phillips wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Who is to blame for the deaths of about 80 Branch Davidians in the siege on the Waco compound? http://news.excite.com/news/poll/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: CONFIRMED - Maadi-Griffin (fwd) Date: 20 Jun 2000 17:27:24 PST On Jun 20, Bruce Chesley wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The brutal aryan terrorist faction gang rapes the 2A - AGAIN. Bruce Chesley Truth is a terrible cross to bear. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.". Thomas Paine Treason for $$$: ccrkba, jpfo, leaa, nra, saf. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- This info is from the Second Amendment Sisters AZ Coordinator, who lives in Mesa, AZ: Big fish to fry! It was confirmed in the local (Mesa AZ) newspaper today that Bob Stewart the owner of ..50bmg manufacturer, Maadi-Griffin was arrested Friday by the BATF. Mr. Stewart was arrested in his garage while his wife and children were inside their home. Seized in the raid was a "stockpile" of weapons, including 40 guns, boxes of ammunition, gun parts and the 3000 names of his customers. The BATF claims that Mr. Stewart is a convicted felon and has been selling his guns and gun kits over the Internet to bypass federal firearms laws. And that he advertises the fact that his kits require no FFL to purchase. Maadi-Griffin has been in business for 10 years without problems from the BATF. BATF agent Thomas Mangan said to the reporter, "we see no legitimate use for a gun like this, unless you are in the military". He went on to say, "no vest in the world could protect a law enforcement officer from a gun like this". Mangan also said. "The kits are equipped with a part that prevents the gun from operating unless the part is removed by a machinist". In accordance with BATF regulations the kit is technically incapable of being fired. But Mangan said that the gun is so easily retrofitted to become operational that authorities felt Stewart was flagrantly violating gun regulations. Mr. Stewart said, "I have a wife and children, friends, church and all that. I am willing to die for this if I have to". The article went on to list his assets and listed the value of his home at $256,000. Sounds like asset forfeiture is next to come. This is my summary on this story: 1. The guns were manufactured in accordance with BATF regs. 2. Maadi-Griffin bypassed a "loophole" in the regs. 3. Mr. Stewart was a "felon". 4. 3000 persons have purchased this gun. 5. Mr. Stewart has valuable assets. I believe that the BATF found it easier and more efficient to arrest Mr. Stewart instead of changing BATF regulations. In the name of bureaucratic efficiency they will destroy this man and his family. Do you think that the BATF will not do anything with the customer list? Plan on seeing more of this in the near future. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: ALERT! FEDERALIZING "HATE" CRIMES (fwd) Date: 20 Jun 2000 22:34:48 PST On Jun 20, Charles F. Nawrocki wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] / SENT FYI // In my opinion vote for no incumbent.///// Bring them all home./// >From: "Cathie Adams" >To: >Subject: FW: ALERT! FEDERALIZING "HATE" CRIMES >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:38:42 -0500 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) >Importance: High > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Eagle Forum [mailto:eagle@eagleforum.org] >Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 10:23 PM >To: ALERT@eagleforum.org >Subject: ALERT! FEDERALIZING "HATE" CRIMES >Importance: High > > >ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! > > June 19, 2000 > > FEDERALIZING "HATE" CRIMES > >Urge Your Senators to Oppose Hatch and Kennedy Amendments > > > > On Tuesday, June 20, the U.S. Senate is expected to vote on two > "hate crimes" amendments as part of the debate on the National > Defense Authorization Act (S. 2549). > > KENNEDY AMENDMENT > Senator Ted Kennedy's hate crimes amendment would add "actual > or perceived" gender, sexual orientation or disability to the > federal hate-crimes law, which currently covers race, color, > religion, and national origin. It further allows federal investigators > and prosecutors to intervene when suspected hate crimes take > place. > > HATCH AMENDMENT > Senator Orrin Hatch's amendment would call for an 18-month > study of "relevant offenses," which are defined to include gender, > age, and any other category defined in the Hate Crimes Statistics > Act including sexual orientation. The Hatch measure further gives > the Department of Justice authorization to "assist" states in > investigating "relevant offenses," which means federal involvement > in state and local crimes. > > ALL CRIMES ARE HATE CRIMES > Expanding federal hate crime laws is unnecessary and unjust. > Every crime covered as a "hate crime" is already illegal under state > and local laws. The American justice system should treat all > citizens equally under the law, but hate crime laws create a > hierarchy of victims. Every crime should be punished, and only > tough judges can ensure that happens. > > ACTION ITEMS > The U.S. Senate is expected to vote on the Kennedy and Hatch > Amendments starting at 3:00 p.m. on June 20. Call your Senators > immediately and urge them to vote 'NO' on both amendments. > Reaching those on the target list below is especially important. > > TARGET LIST: > Abraham (MI), Byrd (WV), Campbell (CO), Chafee (RI), Collins > (ME), DeWine (OH), Domenici (NM), Edwards (NC), Enzi (WY), > Fitzgerald (IL), Gorton (WA), Hatch (UT), Hollings (SC), Hutchison > (TX), Lincoln (AR), McCain (AZ), Moynihan (NY), Smith (OR), > Snowe (ME), Specter (PA), Stevens (AK), Voinovich (OH), Warner > (VA) > > > E-mail Link: http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index.cfm > > > Capitol Switchboard (202) 224-3121 > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Read this ALERT online: >http://eagleforum.org/alert/00-06-19/hate-crimes.html >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Eagle Forum http://www.eagleforum.org >PO Box 618 eagle@eagleforum.org >Alton, IL 62002 Phone: 618-462-5415 >Fax: 618-462-8909 >------------------------------------------------------ >To subscribe to Eagle Email >please email: eagle@eagleforum.org >with SUBSCRIBE in the subject line. >To unsubscribe, please send a message with >UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Steelworkers' Lawsuit Against NAFTA Date: 20 Jun 2000 20:42:18 -0500 The United Steelworkers of America (USWA) will face off with the federal government at a Thursday hearing before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit, seeking to overturn the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). The USWA filed the appeal following a district court decision in Birmingham last July that upheld the validity of NAFTA, even though it was not ratified in 1993 by a two-thirds Senate vote as required in the 'Treaty Clause' of the U.S. Constitution (Article II, Section 2).... A history of the NAFTA lawsuit and copies of the USWA legal briefs are available at this URL: http://www.naftalawsuit.org/lawsuit.html/. The URL of the USWA is http://www.uwsa.org/ for the interested reader. -- Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The Lessons of History (fwd) Date: 22 Jun 2000 09:22:11 PST On Jun 22, David W Shuee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 7:49 PM PHYLLIS SCHLAFLY REPORT -- June 2000 (Part 2) The Lessons of History The chief reason America has remained a free country is the widespread private ownership of firearms. Individual ownership of guns made the American Revolution possible. The principal purpose of the Second Amendment was to maintain our freedom from government. It is an insult to our heritage to imply that the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment just to protect deer hunters. My good friend, the late Reverend Stephen Dunker, C.M., was a missionary in China who was imprisoned by the Communists during the early 1950s. I heard him tell of his experiences many times. When the Communists first took over the area where he lived, they appeared to be good rulers. They established law and order and cleaned up the traffic in drugs and prostitutes. Then one day the Communist bosses announced, "You can see that we have established a good society and you have no need for your guns. Everyone must come in the night and dump all guns in the town square." The people believed and obeyed. The next day, the reign of terror began, with public executions and cruel imprisonments. Everyone accused of being a "landlord" was dragged through the streets and executed; a "landlord" was anyone who farmed his little plot of ground with two water buffalo instead of one. Gun confiscation leads to a loss of freedom, increased crime, and the government moving to the left. This has already happened in England and Australia. After Great Britain banned most guns in 1997, making armed self-defense punishable as murder, violence skyrocketed because criminals know that law abiding citizens have been disarmed. Armed crime rose 10% in 1998. The Sunday Times of London reported on the new black market in guns: "Up to 3 million illegal guns are in circulation in Britain, leading to a rise in drive-by shootings and gangland-style execution." There has been such a heavy increase in the use of knives for violent attacks that new laws have been passed giving police the power to search anyone for knives in designated areas. In 1996 Australia banned 60% of all firearms and required registration of all guns and the licensing of gun owners. Police confiscated 640,381 firearms, going door to door without search warrants. Two years later, the Australian Bureau of Statistics reported that all crime had risen and armed robberies were up 44%. Miguel A. Faria Jr., M.D., described his first-hand experience in Cuba. Before 1958, Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista had all citizens register their firearms. After the revolution, Raul and Fidel Castro had their Communist thugs go door to door and, using the registration lists, confiscate all firearms. As soon as the Cubans were disarmed, that was the end of their freedom. Tyrannical governments kill far more people than private criminals. The Nazis conducted a massive search-and-seizure operation in 1933 to disarm their political opponents, in 1938 to disarm the Jews, and when they occupied Europe in 1939-41 they proclaimed the death penalty for anyone who failed to surrender all guns within 24 hours. The first line of safety has to be an ability to defend yourself. In some areas, a woman who is being stalked by her ex-husband must wait 10 days to buy a gun, even if her life has been threatened. Some cities criminalize carrying guns for self-defense but make exceptions for people carrying money or jewels. Are money and jewels more important to protect than people's lives? History teaches us that registration leads to the confiscation of guns and that is the goal of many gun control advocates. Pete Shields, founder of Handgun Control Inc., told The New Yorker: "The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition -- except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors -- totally illegal." Atlanta public-safety commissioner George Napper told U.S News, "If I had my druthers, the only people who would have guns would be those who enforce the law." Like those who "enforced the law" at Waco? or at Ruby Ridge? or invading a Miami home to grab Elián Gonzalez? The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution states: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Polls show that up to 80% of the public believe citizens have a constitutional right to own guns. If the First Amendment read "A free press being necessary to the security of a free state, Congress shall make no law respecting . . . the freedom of speech, or of the press," nobody would argue that free speech belongs only to newspapers. Likewise, they should not argue that the right to keep and bear arms belongs only to government agents. Chief Justice William Rehnquist, writing for the majority in U.S. v. Verdugo-Urquidez (1990), stated that the term "the people" has the same meaning in the First, Second, Fourth, Ninth and Tenth Amendments. All those five amendments in the Bill of Rights use the term "the people" to guarantee a right for individual citizens, not just some collective right of the state as a whole. There is no reason to believe that the Second Amendment uses the term "the people" differently from the other four amendments. The claim that "militia" just refers to the National Guard is ridiculous. The same Congress that passed the Second Amendment also passed the Militia Act of 1792 which defined militia as "each and every able-bodied male citizen" from age 18 to 45 (with some exceptions) and stated that each one shall "provide himself" with a gun, ammunition, and a bayonet. The currently effective Militia Act substantially keeps the same language ("all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and . . . under 45"), and further defines militia as: "(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia." (10 U.S.C. 311) In recent years, a scholarly consensus has emerged across the political spectrum that the Second Amendment protects an individual right. Between 1980 and 1995, of 39 law review articles, 35 noted the Supreme Court's prior acknowledgement of the individual right of the Second Amendment and only four claimed the right is a collective right of the states (and 3 of those 4 were authored or co-authored by persons connected with the gun-control lobby). The Founding Fathers on the Right to Own Guns: James Madison: Americans have "the advantage of being armed" -- unlike the citizens of other countries where "the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." * Patrick Henry: "The great objective is that every man be armed. . . . Everyone who is able may have a gun." * George Mason: "To disarm the people [is] the best and most effectual way to enslave them." * Samuel Adams: "The Constitution shall never be construed . . . to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." * Alexander Hamilton: "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." * Richard Henry Lee: "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." For more information: John Lott Jr., More Guns, Less Crime (2nd edition, 2000). Miguel A. Faria Jr., M.D., articles on England and Australia in the Medical Sentinel, May/June 2000, and letter on Cuba to the editor of the Wall Street Journal, December 28, 1999. Professor Sanford Levinson, "The Embarrassing Second Amendment," Yale Law Journal, 1989. Professor James D. Wright, "Second Thoughts about Gun Control," The Public Interest, Spring 1988. Stephen P. Halbrook, That Every Man Be Armed, Independent Institute, 1994, and the Wall Street Journal, June 4, 1999. Daniel D. Polsby, Firearms and Crime, Independent Institute, 1997. Joyce Lee Malcolm, lecture at the Independent Institute, September 21, 1999, http://www.independent.org/ For law review articles, gun court cases, and the 1982 Senate report, see http://www.2ndlawlib.org/. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Read this report online: http://eagleforum.org/psr/2000/june00/psrjune2000.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JOIN OUR MESSAGE BOARD! 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Send check or money order to: Eagle Forum http://www.eagleforum.org PO Box 618 eagle@eagleforum.org Alton, IL 62002 Phone: 618-462-5415 Fax: 618-462-8909 or visit our on-line store at: http://www.eagleforum.org/order http://www.eagleforum.org eagle@eagleforum.org Phone: 618-462-5415 Fax: 618-462-8909 To subscribe to Eagle E-mail please e-mail eagle@eagleforum.org with SUBSCRIBE in the subject line [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The Media Campaign Against Gun Ownership (fwd) Date: 22 Jun 2000 09:21:15 PST On Jun 22, David W Shuee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 7:35 PM PHYLLIS SCHLAFLY REPORT -- June 2000 (Part 1) The Media Campaign Against Gun Ownership The Million Moms March was not a grassroots uprising of mothers but a slick media event orchestrated by Bill Clinton's public relations experts and led by Donna Dees-Thomases, who worked for Democrats in Congress, contributed to Hillary Clinton's campaign and is the sister-in-law of Susan Thomases, a top Clinton adviser. The contrived nature of the campaign was evident in the cozy meeting with the President, extravagant television coverage, multi-page color "ads" disguised as "news" in national magazines, and the distribution of color brochures in airports. The anti-gun moms pretended to model themselves on Mothers Against Drunk Driving, but those mothers are smart enough to go after criminally reckless drivers, not against automobiles. The anti-gun moms either aren't smart enough to see that kids are killed by criminals not by guns, or they are just trying to elect Al Gore. The march was such phony political theater. The Associated Press reported that Bill Clinton had "tears in his eyes" when he talked to the Marching Moms (who, of course, didn't number anywhere near a million). The march was advertised as growing out of mothers' outrage at the large number of children who are killed by guns. But Professor John Lott Jr., senior research scholar at the Yale University Law School and author of More Guns, Less Crime, has exposed the blatant lies in the statistics bandied about by the President and the press, such as the oft-repeated lie that 12 children a day die from guns. Most of the "children" in the statistics on kids killed by gunfire are 17-, 18- and 19-year-olds killed in gang or drug wars in high-crime urban areas. It is unrealistic to think that trigger locks or waiting periods would have any effect in stopping those homicides. The Centers for Disease Control could identify only 21 children under age 15 dying from accidental handgun deaths in 1996. But 40 children under the age of five drown in water buckets every year and another 80 drown in bathtubs. Are we going to demand that water buckets and bathtubs be locked up and fitted with safety catches? Many more children are killed or injured every year from cars, drowning, fires, and even toys than from guns. The risk of a child drowning in a swimming pool is 100 times greater than the risk of dying from a firearm-related accident. The Columbine killers violated at least 17 state and federal gun-control laws among the 20,000 gun-control laws on the books today. Does anyone think that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold would not have known how to unlock their guns, or that a waiting period would have made a difference in the murders they planned months in advance? None of the proposals for trigger locks, waiting periods or gun-show restrictions would have stopped Harris and Klebold. The only policy that effectively reduces public shootings is right-to-carry laws. Allowing citizens to carry concealed handguns reduces violent crime. In the 31 states that have passed right-to-carry laws since the mid-1980s, the number of multiple-victim public shootings and other violent crimes has dropped dramatically. Murders fell by 7.65%, rapes by 5.2%, aggravated assaults by 7%, and robberies by 3%. On the average, murder rates in states without concealed-carry laws are 127% higher than in states having the broadest carry laws. The United States has a population of 270,000,000, and 600,000 to 750,000 people are in law enforcement. It is not believable that each law enforcement officer can protect 360 to 450 people from violent criminals or answer every 911 call before the criminal fires a gun. The sheer number of guns and gun owners in America makes gun control far more unrealistic than Prohibition. At least 80 million Americans own about 250 million guns, and about 99% of gun-owners obviously handle their guns responsibly or we would have many more accidents. The marching moms say they want handguns registered and handgun owners licensed similarly to what is required for automobiles. But registering cars doesn't make kids any safer, and many other methods are obviously better at improving safety, such as safety instruction itself. Using automobiles as an analogy doesn't help the marching moms' argument, anyway, because it invites us to put gun safety courses in schools like driver's ed. It's time for Americans to separate truth from propaganda in news coverage about guns. Under the principle that "if it bleeds it leads," television redundantly reports on guns used to kill, but censors out the many incidents of successful defensive use of guns to disarm criminals and protect law-abiding citizens from becoming victims. Guns are used to save lives almost five times as often as to commit crimes. Guns are used 430,000 times a year to commit crimes, but 2,000,000 to 2,500,000 times a year in self-defense to prevent deaths, rapes, assaults and other serious injuries. In 98% of the situations, the victim just brandished a gun, and in only 2% of the cases was the gun actually fired, usually just as a warning. But when was the last time you saw a news story about someone successfully using a gun in self-defense? Gun control advocates refuse to make a risk-benefit analysis, balancing the good guns do against the harm. Instead, they use emotion and lies to plead their cause. All scientific studies show that restrictive gun laws are more dangerous than guns. Crime is reduced by putting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. Guns are the safest and most effective means of resisting violent criminal attack. Areas that increase gun ownership have lower crime rates than other areas. Even those who do not own a gun are safer because the criminal fears that his next victim might have the power to defend himself. By definition, laws will be obeyed only by the law abiding. If we disarm those likely to obey the law, gun restrictions will encourage crime rather than prevent it. As Professor Lott warns: "Despite good intentions, gun-control advocates are going to end up risking more lives than they're going to save." The Lies Behind Gun Control "We need more gun regulations." False. There is no academic evidence that gun regulations prevent crime and plenty of evidence that they encourage crime. It stands to reason that, if we disarm those likely to obey the gun laws, we make crime more attractive, profitable and likely for those who do not obey the law. Washington, D.C. has the strictest gun control laws in the country and the highest murder rate, 69 per 100,000, while other major cities with more gun freedom have only a fraction of that rate. 200 scholars from major universities (Harvard, Stanford, Northwestern, UCLA) released an open letter to Congress on June 16, 1999 stating that proposed new gun laws are ill-advised: "With the 20,000 gun laws already on the books, we advise Congress, before enacting yet more new laws, to investigate whether many of the existing laws may have contributed to the problems we currently face." "The United States has a higher murder rate than other countries because Americans own so many guns." False. Switzerland and Israel have more gun ownership than the United States and their murder rate is far less. Switzerland has more guns per person than any country in the world, yet is one of the safest places to be. All males age 20 to 42 are required to keep fully automatic rifles or pistols at home. It's a common sight to see Israelis carrying sidearms. On the other hand, Brazil and Russia have complete gun control, and their murder rate is five times that of the United States. "Guns in the home are so dangerous because most murders are acquaintance murders, that is, someone you know gets angry and picks up an available gun." False. The vast majority of "acquaintances" who kill involve drug dealers, gangs, prostitutes, cab drivers, barroom brawlers, etc., and 90% of murderers have criminal records. "The easy availability of guns in the home contributes to crimes of passion and domestic violence." False. Denying guns denies a woman the ability to defend herself against an abusive man. Guns equalize the means of physical terror between men and women. "Passive resistance is the safest response to an attacker." False. It depends on the means you have to resist. If a woman has only her fists to defend against a rapist, she's not likely to be successful with active resistance. But if the woman has a gun, active resistance can mean the difference between rape and safety. The "increase in rampage killings" shows we need gun control. False again. Professor Lott, who did a couple of thousand hours of research on this issue, found that there has been no upward national trend in such killings since the mid-1970s. "We need safe storage laws." False. States that passed "safe storage" laws have high crime rates, especially higher rates of rape and aggravated assault against women. "We need waiting periods and background checks to reduce crime and youth violence." False. No academic study has shown that crime is reduced by waiting periods or background checks. Clinton brags that we are safer because "the Brady law has kept 500,000 criminals from buying handguns." False. The only academic research done on the Brady law showed that the Brady waiting period has had no significant impact on murder or robbery rates and is associated with a small increase in rape and aggravated-assault rates, perhaps due to removing victims' ability to defend themselves. "Guns create a terrible danger of accidental deaths." False. Rep. James Traficant (D-OH) told the House: "Something does not add up, the number of accidental deaths involving guns average 1,500 per year; and the number of accidental deaths caused by doctors, surgeons, and hospitals average 120,000 a year. That means ... [it is] 80 times more possible of being killed accidentally by a doctor than a gun." (April 4, 2000) "We should register guns and license gun owners just like automobiles, and that won't lead to confiscation because we haven't confiscated cars." That's a false analogy. There are 130 million automobiles in the United States weighing about a ton each and confiscation would be impossible. We've seen gun confiscation and its results in many other countries. The analogy to automobiles also fails because cars are not used in self-defense to protect lives. "The gun show loophole most be closed." False. There is no gun show loophole. Anyone who is engaged in the business of selling firearms, whether at a gun show or a fixed retail store, must fill out a government registration form on every buyer and get FBI permission through the National Instant Check System for every sale. There is no evidence that gun shows are an important source of criminals' guns. A 1997 National Institute of Justice study in December 1997 reported that only 2% of felons acquired their guns at gun shows and those included purchases from licensed dealers who conducted background checks. "Assault weapons should be banned." False. Civilian assault weapons are not machine guns. They are just ordinary guns that have a pseudo-military appearance. They do not fire faster, the bullets are not especially powerful, and they are slower than bullets from hunting rifles. Semi-automatic guns do not "spray" bullets and are not machine guns, they require a separate pull of the trigger for each shot to be fired just like a revolver. (Fully-automatic military assault rifles are not part of the current gun debate.) "Handguns must be banned." False. The law abiding, by definition, will abide by the law; law violators will not. Handguns will always be available at some price; demand will create its own supply. "We must get rid of the Saturday Night Special." False. This is a small, low-caliber, short-barreled, not-too-expensive gun. Not only does this type of gun have a legitimate sports and recreational use, it is the best defensive weapon for poor, inner-city residents who are the most likely potential victims of crime. Why deny them protection? "The American Society of Pediatrics says that handguns should be banned." But the pediatricians' statement is based on the usual bogus statistics, not on any scientific study. If the pediatricians did a scientific study, they might reach the same conclusion that Professor Lott did, namely, that more guns in the hands of law-abiding people result in less crime. We are told that "we need zero tolerance in the schools about guns." But schools were a lot safer prior to the 1970s, when guns in schools were very common. Professor Lott has pointed out that, "until 1969, virtually every public high school in New York City had a shooting club. High school students carried their guns to school on the subways in the morning . . . and regularly competed in city-wide shooting contests." When guns were so easily accessible, even inside schools, why didn't we have the problems that we have today? 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Nickelodeon-the Brainwashing Network by Officer Curt Bolding - Posted: 06.19.00 Curt Bolding is a 16-year police veteran with experience spanning four jurisdictions in Illinois. Still active in his chosen profession, he currently serves as both a street officer and as a police control and arrest tactics instructor. On Father's Day this year, June 18, 2000, I was enjoying a quiet morning with the kids, who were watching their favorite channel for cartoons, Nickelodeon. While I was lazing with a cup of coffee, thinking about things like picnics and puttering in the yard, something on TV caught my attention. During their usual commercial programming, Nickelodeon was attempting another kind of programming-aimed at my kids' minds. Several kids, ages about seven to nine, were pictured on the screen. All were holding cardboard signs, with either a red star or a blue star. Then the announcer spoke up, and said, "Do you think adults should have guns in a house if a kid lives there? Seven out of ten kids said no. "Seven smiling kids were holding signs with red stars, three holding blue stars. I caught the next question, after doing the obligatory Danny Thomas style spit take. "Should adults own guns at all? Eight out of ten kids said no." Eight red stars. "Should guns be sold with safety locks on them? Seven kids said yes." You get the idea. To be fair, I may not have the numbers exactly right as far as how many kids said what. It was about a two-thirds majority in favor of the gun control agenda. If there was another question asked, I missed it because by this point I was too busy gnawing on my ankle. In my apoplexy, I have crafted this article on my Father's Day, before going out and doing my duty for America by sending my share of the fifty million rounds downrange. I must apologize to my regular readers who are more used to information-based articles from the standpoint of the professional police officer. Yet it is also my duty to point out to citizens the lower, more base, elements of society wherever they rear up. The anti-civil-rights movement has clearly been channeling money to Nickelodeon to get that network to promote their political ideas. Now, wouldn't you think that a network that provides kids' programming would have some sense of responsibility as far as what kind of stuff they filled kids' heads with? When the hell did pushing political issues on children become the right thing to do? I must have missed Nickelodeon's ads pertaining to abortion, Kosovo, and the security lapses at Los Alamos. What's next? Elian Gonzalez hosting a green slime game show? This is by far the lowest level that the anti-civil-rights movement has sunk to yet. If they're willing to brainwash all our children, they'll stop at nothing. The Less-Than-A-Million Moms have proven that they're not interested in discussion. The conversations that go on in their relatively few Internet message boards show that without exception they run and hide when presented with the facts. They are careful not to let reality intrude into their vision of a self- contained world filled with puppies and butterflies. Not that this is surprising; they are perfect examples of the timid, overly sensitive weaklings this society has bred in recent years. Wealthy hypocrites like Rosie O'Donnell and Diane Feinstein do their talking for them, so that the sheep may remain in their pens. In the rabid pursuit of their agenda, there are no rules. They have no honor. They have no integrity. Not content to try to disarm you, Ladies and Gentlemen of America, they're now going after the minds of your children. Using the safety of their own children as their premise, yours are now expendable. Watch Nickelodeon. See this travesty for yourselves, and come to your own conclusions. Should you have an opinion on the matter, you can express it at www.nick.com. Feel free to drop my name and refer them this article. Tell everybody you know about it and post it on your favorite newsgroups. Every organization that is sympathetic to gun control, or more accurately, their money, needs to get the same message that Smith & Wesson's been getting. To paraphrase Walter Cronkite, the very idea that they're trying to implant thoughts in your children's minds ought to scare you to death. -----End Original Message----- ---559023410-1804928587-961703433=:21626 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Begin Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 8:22 PM
Subject: FW: Nickelodeon Brain Washing

Another reason to turn off the TV...

Nickelodeon-the Brainwashing Network
            by Officer Curt Bolding - Posted: 06.19.00
 

Curt Bolding is a 16-year police veteran with experience spanning
four jurisdictions in Illinois. Still active in his chosen profession,
he currently serves as both a street officer and as a police control
and arrest tactics instructor.

On Father's Day this year, June 18, 2000, I was enjoying a quiet
morning with the kids, who were watching their favorite channel
for cartoons, Nickelodeon. While I was lazing with a cup of coffee,
thinking about things like picnics and puttering in the yard,
something on TV caught my attention. During their usual
commercial programming, Nickelodeon was attempting another
kind of programming-aimed at my kids' minds.

Several kids, ages about seven to nine, were pictured on the screen.
All were holding cardboard signs, with either a red star or a blue
star.  Then the announcer spoke up, and said, "Do you think adults
should have guns in a house if a kid lives there? Seven out of ten
kids said no.  "Seven smiling kids were holding signs with red stars,
three holding blue stars. I caught the next question, after doing the
obligatory Danny Thomas style spit take. "Should adults own guns
at all? Eight out of ten kids said no." Eight red stars. "Should guns
be sold with safety locks on them? Seven kids said yes." You get
the idea. To be fair, I may not have the numbers exactly right as far
as how many kids said what.  It was about a two-thirds majority in
favor of the gun control agenda.  If there was another question
asked, I missed it because by this point I was too busy gnawing
on my ankle.

In my apoplexy, I have crafted this article on my Father's Day,
before going out and doing my duty for America by sending my
share of the fifty million rounds downrange. I must apologize to my
regular readers who are more used to information-based articles from
the standpoint of the professional police officer. Yet it is also my
duty to point out to citizens the lower, more base, elements of society
wherever they rear up.

The anti-civil-rights movement has clearly been channeling money
to Nickelodeon to get that network to promote their political ideas.
Now, wouldn't you think that a network that provides kids'
programming would have some sense of responsibility as far as
what kind of stuff they filled kids' heads with? When the hell
did pushing political issues on children become the right thing
to do? I must have missed Nickelodeon's ads pertaining to abortion,
Kosovo, and the security lapses at Los Alamos. What's next? Elian
Gonzalez hosting a green slime game show?

This is by far the lowest level that the anti-civil-rights movement
has sunk to yet. If they're willing to brainwash all our children,
they'll stop at nothing. The Less-Than-A-Million Moms have
proven that they're not interested in discussion. The conversations
that go on in their relatively few Internet message boards show that
without exception they run and hide when presented with the facts.
They are careful not to let reality intrude into their vision of a self-
contained world filled with puppies and butterflies. Not that this is
surprising; they are perfect examples of the timid, overly sensitive
weaklings this society has bred in recent years. Wealthy hypocrites
like Rosie O'Donnell and Diane Feinstein do their talking for them,
so that the sheep may remain in their pens. In the rabid pursuit of
their agenda, there are no rules. They have no honor. They have no
integrity. Not content to try to disarm you, Ladies and Gentlemen
of America, they're now going after the minds of your children.
Using the safety of their own children as their premise, yours are
now expendable.

Watch Nickelodeon. See this travesty for yourselves, and come to
your own conclusions. Should you have an opinion on the matter,
you can express it at www.nick.com. Feel free to drop my name and
refer them this article. Tell everybody you know about it and post it
on your favorite newsgroups. Every organization that is sympathetic
to gun control, or more accurately, their money, needs to get the same
message that Smith & Wesson's been getting.

To paraphrase Walter Cronkite, the very idea that they're trying to
implant thoughts in your children's minds ought to scare you to death.

-----End Original Message-----

Texas-Gun-Owners is at tgo-l@onelist.com.  ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
---559023410-1804928587-961703433=:21626-- --------------BFFDE638763E6D4A6BF5BC56-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: URGENT ALERT: CARA Threatens Property Rights] (fwd) Date: 22 Jun 2000 16:28:50 PST On Jun 22, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] 6.22.00 URGENT ALERT! URGENT ALERT! *********Sledgehammer********* ACTION ALERT www.americanpolicy.org >From the American Policy Center Tom DeWeese, President American Policy Center 13873 Park Center Road, Suite 316 Herndon, VA 20171 703-925-0881 FAX: 703-925-0991 apc@americanpolicy.org ***Desperate CARA Forces Turning to Dirty Tricks... Your Immediate Action Needed! The future of private property will be decided on June 27 and 28 when S. 25, The Conservation and Reinvestment Act (CARA), comes before the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee for mark-up. In an obvious effort to divide and confuse you, Senators are busy introducing "sleeper" CARA bills. All of these bills will then be combined into one-probably under a different number (got the strategy?) and then rushed to the Senate floor for a vote. This is a typical tactic of Congress when our elected officials are determined to pass an unpopular bill. Do not, repeat, DO NOT let them get away with it! Two of the "sleeper" CARA bills that we know of are S. 2123 and S. 2181. Both are slightly altered versions of the original S.25, but the impact is the same in every respect. You should be outraged that these sort of devious tactics would be used to force a bill on the American citizens that is not only unwanted, but also could be used to coerce you off of your private property! If passed, CARA will result in a massive, permanent $3 billion per year trust fund for the Federal government to invade rural America, shut down farms, close ranches and seal off billions of acres of private and public property from human use. This is easily the most destructive piece of legislation to come down the pike in years as CARA will result in the BIGGEST Federal land-grabbing spree ever! Send Sen. Murkowski and the Senate Energy Committee a strong message: "NO on CARA!" Do it today! ACTION TO TAKE 1. Listed below are the members of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee. If your Senator is on this list, you MUST call and tell him to oppose S. 25, S. 2123, and S. 2181. Call early and often! Every environmental extremist organization is using their massive war chest to push CARA through. Your repeated calls are vital! 2. IMPORTANT: Even if your Senators are not on the list below, call them anyway. If CARA is not defeated in the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee next Tuesday and Wednesday, your Senators will be voting on this monster come July! Capitol Hill Senate Switchboard: (202) 224-3121 simply call and ask for your Senator by name. Sen. Frank Murkowski (R-AK): Phone--(202) 224-6665 Fax--(202) 224-5301 Sen. Pete Domenici (R-NM): Phone--(202) 224-6621 Fax--(202) 224-7371 Sen. Don Nickles (R-OK): Phone--(202) 224-5754 Fax--(202) 224-6008 Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID): Phone--(202) 224-2752 Fax--(202) 228-1067 Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-CO): Phone--(202) 224-5852 Fax--(202) 224-1933 Sen. Craig Thomas (R-WY): Phone--(202) 224-6441 Fax--(202) 224-1724 Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR): Phone--(202) 224-3753 Fax--(202)228-3997 Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY): Phone--(202) 224-4343 Fax--(202) 228-1373 Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL): Phone--(202) 224-2854 Fax--(202) 228-1372 Sen. Slade Gorton (R-WA): Phone--(202) 224-3441 Fax--(202) 224-9393 Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT): Phone--(202) 224-2644 Fax--(202) 224-8594 Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-NM): Phone--(202) 224-5521 Fax--(202) 224-2852 Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-HI): Phone--(202) 224-6361 Fax--(202) 224-2126 Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND): Phone--(202) 224-2551 Fax--(202) 224-1193 Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL): Phone--(202) 224-3041 Fax--(202) 224-2237 Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR): Phone--(202) 224-5244 Fax--(202) 228-2717 Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD): Phone--(202) 224-5842 Fax--(202) 228-5765 Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA): Phone--(202) 224-5824 Fax--(202) 224-9735 Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN): Phone--(202) 224-5623 Fax--(202) 228-1377 Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR): Phone--(202) 224-4843 Fax--(202) 228-1371 3. Call Chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, Sen. Frank Murkowski (202-224-6665) and voice your strong opposition to CARA (S. 25, S. 2123, and S. 2181). Everyone must make this call. Sen. Murkowski needs to know that underhanded attempts to diminish American private property rights WILL NOT BE TOLERATED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! ***** PLEASE DISTRIBUTE TO AT LEAST 5 MORE PEOPLE ***** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: roc-digest V2 #357 Date: 22 Jun 2000 23:01:20 -0500 At 11:09 AM 06/22/2000 -0600, roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) wrote: > >On Jun 19, The McGehee Zone wrote: > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > >Reuters has a news item, found at >http://news.excite.com/news/r/000619/17/energy-gasoline-price2 , which notes >that gasoline prices are at a new record high -- while also noting that even at >these record highs they're still less than what people in "some European and >Asian countries" have to pay. > >"Deranged" is the only word that can be applied to an administration that allows >this to happen in an election year. Or one that doesn't *care* about what the judgement of the ballots might be, or that thinks *or knows*, that there won't be any such judgement this year. Just a wild thought, don't know that I put any credence in it myself, but there it is. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Push The Next Hostettler Amendment! (fwd) Date: 24 Jun 2000 09:20:55 PST On Jun 24, Bill Phillips wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hostettler Vote Put Off Until Monday -- Make sure you've delivered the message below to your Rep. Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org This alert posted on the web at: http://www.gunowners.org/a062400.htm (Weekend edition, June 24, 2000) -- Rep. John Hostettler (R-IN) is still in the "on deck circle" waiting to offer his pro-gun amendment to the Justice Department funding bill (H.R. 4690). Rep. Hostettler had planned to offer the amendment on Friday, but debate over the appropriations bill has tarried quite long and pushed several proposed amendments into next week. Hostettler's provision will stop the Justice Department from being able to enforce the recent Smith & Wesson agreement. If this amendment passes, the government will be prohibited from taking S&W -- or any other company -- to court for failing to abide by the terms of that agreement. This amendment will especially encourage those businesses that manufacture guns to refrain from joining Smith & Wesson. Several manufacturers are refusing to do so, and this protection will strengthen their resolve. Moreover, the amendment will prevent the Clinton administration from using extortion (via the threat of a lawsuit) to coerce gun makers into joining the gun control agreement. ACTION: 1. Please call or fax or email your Representative and ask him to support the Hostettler amendment that will be offered to the Commerce-Justice-State bill (H.R. 4690). Use the GOA Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to identify and contact your Rep. You can also call the House of Representatives at 202-225-3121, or toll-free at 1-888-449-3511. 2. Forward this alert to as many gun owners as possible and ask them to contact their Congressman this weekend or on Monday. The vote on the Hostettler amendment will be held late Monday after 6:00 P.M. Thus, there is still plenty of time to contact legislators. ------URGENT Pre-written message ------ Dear Representative: I support the amendment that Rep. John Hostettler is expected to offer to the Commerce-Justice-State appropriations bill (H.R. 4690). This important amendment will stop the Justice Department from in any way enforcing the gun control "legislation" that was foisted upon the country in the Smith & Wesson agreement back in March. The Smith & Wesson agreement is legislation through litigation, and it would regulate and restrict ALL firearms sold by dealers that carry Smith and Wesson products. This horrible agreement is not limited to just S&W. It will also restrict the sales of firearms made by Glock, Remington, H&K, etc. Almost as dangerous is the fact that the gun control in the S&W agreement was unilaterally imposed by the President's administration upon the people of this nation. Gun Owners of America supports the Hostettler language; and I hope that you will also support this amendment to the CJS funding bill. Please let me know what you intend to do. Sincerely, ************** Do not reply directly to this message. To subscribe to free, low-volume GOA alerts, go to http://www.gunowners.org/ean.htm on the web. To unsubscribe send a message to gunowners_members@mailmanager.net with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Change of e-mail address: unsubscribe the old address and subscribe the new using the above instructions. Problems, questions or comments? The main GOA e-mail address goamail@gunowners.org is at your disposal. Please do not add that address to distribution lists sending more than ten messages per week or lists associated with issues other than gun rights. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: WANT YOUR GUN RIGHTS BACK? READ THIS (fwd) Date: 24 Jun 2000 09:17:23 PST On Jun 24, Weldon Clark wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] WANT YOUR GUN RIGHTS BACK? READ THIS Ladies and Gentlemen: We believe it will be worth your time to read all of this message. THE COMPLAINT For decades gun owners complained that we were losing the Second Amendment war because our point of view and our arguments were never heard in the newspapers, on the radio, or on television. They complained that gun owners and gun rights organizations always "preached to the choir", and that their message never got out to the public. THE RESPONSE -- FINALLY But now our message IS getting out to the public. AGGRESSIVELY. You've probably heard of us by now: Citizens Of America, a non-profit organization that is running a NATIONAL PRO-GUN media campaign. That's ALL COA does: no lobbying, no PAC funds, nothing but producing these ads and getting them out to the GENERAL PUBLIC. And until now, you never heard ANYTHING like our hard- hitting, emotion-directed radio and print ads in the mass communications media. If you want to HEAR the radio ads, continue reading and then come back and click here: http://www.citizensofamerica.org/radio.htm If you want to SEE the print ads, click here: http://www.citizensofamerica.org/print.htm NOT EVEN A YEAR OLD COA is only nine months old, but already the radio ads have run in 42 states on over 270 radio stations. At any given moment, thanks to people like you and patriots in the broadcast industry, they are running RIGHT NOW somewhere in the country, on the radio and on cable television. Thanks to patriots in the publishing industry, the print ads have been distributed in the tens of thousands. COA is funded by people like YOU. COA has no income- producing fund to draw on, no memberships that we constantly renew, no wealthy private or corporate backers (yet), no $100-million plus NRA-size budget (yet). COA will exist only as long as citizens like you donate to the campaign. We hope to win this war and put ourselves out of business as soon as possible. But in any case, we will not exist one day longer than we can pay to exist, and right now we need funds to continue. LET COA FIGHT FOR YOU Remember: only COA focuses on getting the gun rights message to the GENERAL PUBLIC. And our messages aim at their guts and hearts. You can help us. For the next year, devote 33 cents a day to continue this one-of-a-kind national campaign. That's ten dollars a month. $120 for the year. If you think we've doing a good job, then give us 33 cents a day next year. If you've already donated something this year, please consider bringing the total up to $120. WE ACT NOW OR SUFFER LATER Does $120 a year seem like a lot? Three or four years from now, when the news media, the federal government and state governments have inundated the public with enough unanswered lies to turn them against you, enough unanswered propaganda to convince them to vote for more bans on guns and the freedom to own and shoot guns, you'll wish you had spent twenty times that amount. If you simply cannot afford $120, then donate what you can. (We do offer incentives: like a free Kydex holster from Springbok, Inc. if you donate at least $75. Come back and read this when you finish the rest of this message: http://www.citizensofamerica.org/programs.htm ) WE USED TO HATE... ...to ask for money. It's not enjoyable. But that changed when we saw how much irritation these ads are causing our enemies. And when we get emails and letters from people who USED to be anti-gun, but changed their minds when they became aware of the issues that COA ads bring up. Now we ask for money because we absolutely believe we can make a difference. OUR CURRENT SITUATION Over the last nine months we've SPENT your past donations- -as efficiently as possible keeping this ad campaign going. We work out of donated office space, have a minimal staff, and use volunteers or subcontractors for everything else. These ultra-efficient methods have worked so far, and we intend to continue this way. But because our donor base is still in its infancy, with many gun owners and gun-related businesses still unaware of what we're doing, and because this is a CONTINUING campaign, we're nearly out of funds and are in danger of having to cease operations. So if you want to help, NOW is the time. Please -- DO NOT count on someone else to donate for you. You can donate with a credit card by scrolling to the bottom of our homepage at: http://www.citizensofamerica.org Or send a check to Citizens Of America, 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #447, Santa Monica, CA 90403. STILL UNDECIDED? No, COA isn't the ONLY answer to winning this war. GOA, JPFO, KeepAndBearArms.com, 2AnewsTeam and others are performing valuable functions. But COA alone devotes all its resources on an essential but almost totally neglected task: spreading the pro-gun message to the GENERAL PUBLIC, not just to gun owners, gun rights organization members, or those who purposely seek out such information. If you question the value of running these ads, please read this: http://www.citizensofamerica.org/whatgood.htm Read A WorldNet Daily article about COA at: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty_com /19991013_xcjod_assault_ad.shtml (if URL is "broken" cut and paste into browser) Read basic facts about COA at: http://www.citizensofamerica.org/faq.htm WE ARE ENGAGED IN A HISTORIC STRUGGLE FOR OUR RIGHTS, OUR CONSTITUTION, AND OUR NATION. COA URGES YOU TO DO YOUR PART IN THIS FIGHT. THANK YOU--and please FORWARD this email to all interested individuals and lists. The Board of Directors, Citizens Of America: Brian Puckett Bio: http://www.guntruths.com/Puckett/brian_puckett.htm Steven Silver Bio: http://www.guntruths.com/Silver/steve_silver.htm David Codrea Bio: http://www.guntruths.com/Codrea/david_codrea.htm Jim Houck, COA Creative Director, co-founder Bio: http://www.citizensofamerica.org/faq.htm * * * Citizens Of America * * * COA is running a NATIONAL PRO-GUN media campaign. Learn more at http://www.citizensofamerica.org ************************************************************ For those of you in South Carolina who wish to receive specific alerts please e-mail request to lcoble@netside.com and/or visit www.scfirearms.org. ************************************************************ What To Do If The Police Come To Confiscate Your Militia Weapons see www.2ndamendment.net For legislative updates contact www.nealknox.com and go to "Scripts from the Firearms Coalition Legislative Update Line" *************************************************** >From The 2ndAmendmentNews Team If you received this as a forward and wish to join please send: E-Mail to listserver@frostbit.com with the following text in the message body: SUBSCRIBE 2nd-Amendment-News We have had a computer error. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Homosexuality Law Scrapped In Scotland (fwd) Date: 24 Jun 2000 10:57:19 PST On Jun 24, saba22@webtv.net wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List TO KEEP THE PEACE, KEEP YOUR PIECE! June 24, 2000 -- 9:02 am Homosexuality Law Scrapped In Scotland LONDON, England (CNSNews) -- Scotland has become the first part of the United Kingdom to scrap a controversial law banning the promotion of homosexuality in schools - but opponents of the repeal also scored a moral victory by getting the importance of marriage enshrined in new guidelines for sex education teachers. Faced by a growing public campaign in favor of keeping the law, known as section 28, ministers in the devolved Scottish Executive reversed course this week, agreeing to a crucial change in the wording for the legally-binding teaching guidelines. Lawmakers then passed the repeal bill by a 99-17 vote. The text of the compulsory guidelines will now say teachers of sex education should emphasize " ... the importance of stable family life and relationships" - and then adds the crucial phrase "... including the responsibilities of parenthood and marriage." Previously the Labor-led Executive maintained there was no need for legally-enforceable guidelines ensuring that teachers highlight marriage in their classes. Supporters of section 28, aware that its repeal was ultimately inevitable, fought for the amendment, which they said may help reassure parents who were concerned that the abolition of the law would result in homosexuality being actively promoted in schools. The Roman Catholic Church and Brian Souter, a Christian transport millionaire who spearheaded a "Keep the Clause" campaign, welcomed the inclusion of marriage in the guidance. Souter last month financed Britain's first ever privately-funded referendum on the matter, in which 87 percent of Scottish voters who responded voted to keep section 28. On Wednesday he announced he was closing down the campaign. Souter's "Keep the Clause" drive was supported by Cardinal Thomas Winning, leader of Scotland's 750,000 Roman Catholics, who warned earlier: "If we are not very, very careful, we will inadvertently promote a lifestyle for our children which will reduce their life expectancy, increase their chances of HIV infection and expose them to predatory and abusive relationships." The eight-month long dispute over section 28 dominated the first year of the devolved Scottish Executive's existence. Section 28 was introduced by Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government in 1980s, partly as a reaction to the actions of left-wing local government councils which promoted "politically correct" programs. It said local authorities "shall not promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship." It opponents, headed by the homosexuality advocacy lobby, said it was discriminatory and had no place in a modern, tolerant society. Some teacher groups said it provided an environment in which homophobic bully could occur. Its supporters said the law's repeal would open the doors for highly graphic and offensive material already being prepared for use in some schools. The British government has still not managed to scrap section 28 in England and Wales, its attempts to do so having been repeatedly stymied by the Conservative-dominated upper House of Lords. http://www.mcjonline.com/news/00/20000623e.htm No more same-sex 'marriages'..... http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000525/ts/pope_gays_1.html No more homosexual sex education...... http://www.massnews.com/maygsa.htm Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom BUCHANAN-Reform http://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm www.ctrl.org [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Action taken against President Clinton (fwd) Date: 24 Jun 2000 14:58:37 PST On Jun 22, Swftl@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Reply-To: info@southeasternlegal.org Dear Susan Wells, At the end of my email, I've attached a link that will take you to a copy of a letter from James A. Neal to Leslie Steen. You are probably wondering who these gentlemen are and why I would want you to see a copy of this letter. Well, I believe you will be as interested in seeing this letter as I was when I received my copy of it. You see, this letter is from the director of the Arkansas Supreme Court Ethics Committee to the Clerk of the Arkansas Supreme Court. The letter advises the Clerk that the Ethics Committee is initiating disbarment proceedings against Arkansas lawyer, William Jefferson Clinton. On behalf of the Board of Directors of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, I'd like to thank you for supporting SLF on this important legal milestone. You have helped to prove that the legal system works - regardless of the position of the attorney in question. But you must also remember that when the attorney is Bill Clinton, the system required more than a little extra prodding. Quite frankly, not many people gave SLF much of a chance when we filed the Disbarment Petition in September of 1998. I can't say that I blame them as Bill Clinton had slipped out of every major problem he encountered. Just name a scandal and he's emerged practically unscathed: · Monica Lewinsky. · Whitewater land deals. · Campaign finance violations. · Travelgate. · Illegal gathering of FBI files. · Numerous alleged sexual escapades. When SLF filed the disbarment petition, Bill Clinton's popularity was riding high and it did not look as though the Arkansas Ethics Committee would fulfill their legal obligations to hear the case. In fact, the Committee did nothing for 18 months. The committee members seemed to be in no hurry to do anything that would be politically embarrassing to their former Governor and political ally. That's when the Southeastern Legal Foundation filed a Writ of Mandamus in the Arkansas Supreme Court to make its own Ethics Committee take up consideration of the SLF Disbarment Petition. The Disbarment Petition would still be languishing in some state bureaucrat's in-box if Southeastern Legal Foundation had not filed the Writ of Mandamus with the court. Once the Arkansas Supreme Court was presented with the Writ of Mandamus, it ruled unanimously to force the Ethics Committee to begin consideration of SLF's complaint. When President Clinton filed his response to our Disbarment Petition, it turned out to be 85 pages of the kind of answers we have come to expect from Bill Clinton. He blamed everyone else for his problems, maintained his political enemies were out to get him and tried to give new meanings and definitions to everyday words. He never admitted to lying to a grand jury or lying in a sworn deposition with a Federal Judge sitting directly across the table from him. He still insists that he did nothing wrong. He maintains that this is only about sex, that standards should not be as high for him and his record as President will show that he has done more good than harm. But the SLF Disbarment Petition is about showing that Bill Clinton has to maintain the same standards of honesty as any other attorney in the United States. As I try to tell listeners and viewers on every radio and TV talk show I appear on, "Honesty is not an aspirational goal for lawyers." Honesty is required from attorneys or our system of justice will collapse. Fortunately, the Arkansas Ethics Committee put aside their local prejudices and recommended that the Arkansas Supreme Court begin the disbarment proceedings against Bill Clinton. But the battle over Bill Clinton's law license does not end here. He will have to go before an Arkansas District Judge for a final hearing. If the judge does as expected and strips him of his right to practice law, he can appeal the decision to the Arkansas Supreme Court. You can count on the Southeastern Legal Foundation to be relentless in the pursuit of justice as the disbarment of Bill Clinton proceeds to its conclusion. And you can bet that Bill Clinton will continue to try to use every avenue available to him to try and keep his law license. That's why I'm hoping you can help SLF pay off the unpaid legal bills from our disbarment fight. Presently, there are more than $45,000 in outstanding bills that are now overdue. Do you think you could give $25, $35, $50, $100 or even $250 or $500 to Southeastern Legal Foundation? Whatever amount you contribute will go a long way to help pay the bills in the fight to disbar Bill Clinton. This fight has been a drain on our financial reserves but I will know the result will justify the expense. But right now we need immediate assistance and I am counting on you to help with a contribution. Truthfully, I don't know where else to turn for help. Southeastern Legal Foundation will need many gifts of $25, $35, $50, $100 or more to pay these legal bills. Will you send a contribution today? Please send $50, or at least $25, or whatever you can give to the Southeastern Legal Foundation. And again, thank you for helping SLF with this important and necessary court action. Sincerely yours, Matthew J. Glavin President Southeastern Legal Foundation P.S. The attached link will take you to the letter from the Arkansas Supreme Court advising that the disbarment proceeding against President Bill Clinton should move forward. Thanks again for your support on this issue. ========================================================= READ THE LETTER OR CONTRIBUTE TO HELP DISBAR CLINTON http://www.southeasternlegal.org/disbar_clinton.htm AOL USERS: CLICK HERE ====================================================== [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: RNC Wants Our Input! Date: 24 Jun 2000 13:50:01 -0500 WASHINGTON, June 22 /P R News wire/ -- The Republican National Committee has formed a partnership with major Internet "democracy portals" to make it easier for Americans to communicate their policy ideas and concerns. "The RNC has arrangements with all three major "democracy portals" to have direct links to our website," Nicholson said. "This triples the likelihood that people across the country will know we are actively seeking their ideas and counsel. Anyone with access to a computer, be it at home, work, school or the local public library, can go to Voter.com, Grassroots.com, Speakout.com, or rnc.org to send us ideas about what should be in our 2000 platform." Nicholson said every comment received would be read and taken into consideration as Republican leadership begins to draft the 2000 platform document. [snip...] SOURCE Republican National Committee, Web Site: http://www.rnc.org See also http://www.speakout.com http://www.voter.com http://www.grassroots.com -- Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Keyes for VP update (fwd) Date: 26 Jun 2000 12:22:24 PST On Jun 26, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Now here's a novel idea: a veep who can move his lips and not lie at the same time. Rich Martin Editor of Slick << Hi, fellow Keyesters! We'd like to announce the creation of our new Keyes for Vice-President WEB SITE: www.keyesvp.addr.com For those of you who'd like to help with the Keyes for VP cause, go to the web site and check out the resources, information, and suggestions we've put there. On this site, you can leave comments, read arguments, sign up to help, download the petition, etc. The site contains everything you need to know about helping in the Keyes for VP effort. Be sure to tell your friends, family and acquaintances about the new website. Notify everyone in your addressbook, if you can. Thanks everyone, and God bless. Stefani Stone National Coordinator, Keyes for Vice-President (801) 377-4728, 362-4927 (cell) stefani@softhome.net keyesvp@addr.com www.keyesvp.addr.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: SELL YOUR LAND OR WE'LL TAKE IT (fwd) Date: 26 Jun 2000 12:25:00 PST On Jun 24, Swftl@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] analoncom@earthlink.net writes: << Saturday, June 24, 2000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- LEVIATHAN USA Sell your land or we'll take it Use of eminent domain 'completely out of control' by Patrick Poole Private developers and local governments, using the power of eminent domain, are increasingly joining together to force property owners from their land, coercing the transfer of property from one private owner to another. One major battleground in this growing land-grab phenomenon is Pittsburgh, Pa., where city officials are aggressively using eminent domain to redevelop urban areas. "Pittsburgh has become the capital of eminent domain abuse," said Doug Reed, a senior research fellow for the Allegheny Institute for Public Policy. "Our mayoral administration and redevelopment authority are completely out of control." Eminent domain is the power granted to local, state and federal government agencies to force property owners to sell their land to the government for public use. But critics say eminent domain power is no longer being used for the greater good of the community -- such as for roads, bridges or utilities -- but rather for the benefit of companies who are looking for good deals on prime inner-city property. The Washington, D.C.-based Institute for Justice, is taking a leading role in eminent domain battles across the country. The nonprofit public interest law firm represents businesses and homeowners threatened with eminent domain for the benefit of other private parties. Dana Berliner, a senior attorney for the Institute, told WorldNetDaily that her organization became involved in the eminent domain issue after they began receiving a flood of calls from property owners asking for help. "One of the reasons that we got into this area was that there was virtually no one for property owners to turn to," Berliner said. The most recent fight in Pittsburgh was provoked after Mayor Tom Murphy announced plans to condemn major portions of downtown under eminent domain and hand the property over to Chicago-based Urban Retail Properties for development of the site as a suburban-style shopping mall. Under Murphy's plan, the private developer would get the prime downtown real estate along with additional government subsidies to build the shopping center. The mall would be anchored by an AMC Multiplex Theater and house several national retail chains, such as The Gap, FAO Schwartz, and Tiffany's. Reed says that Murphy's administration is using a loose definition of "public use" to grab-up large sections of valuable downtown property. "We have reached the point that 'public use' is defined to mean anything they think is better than what's there now," he said. "I find it hard to believe that James Madison had an 18-screen movie theater in mind when he wrote the takings clause of the Constitution." One of the 125 businesses in the five-block area threatened with displacement is Patty Maloney's greeting card shop, which has been in her family for 47 years. Maloney told WorldNetDaily that the mayor's office is using the threat of eminent domain to get residents and businesses to comply. "The city has refused to negotiate with any of us," Maloney said. "Their intentions are quite clear: If you don't sell your property to us at the price we offer, we're going to take it from you." The Institute for Justice has joined the battle, promising to defend property owners facing eminent domain. The organization recently sponsored a rally in front of City Hall in opposition to the mayor's plans. Maloney says she is grateful for the Institute's efforts on behalf of Pittsburgh property owners. "Its encouraging to have someone in your corner, particularly when you have large portions of the city government working against you," she said. Evicting Jesus Pittsburgh residents are not alone in their fight against city hall. An inner-city church, City Chapel in South Bend, Ind., is engaged in a David versus Goliath struggle against their city to keep their church building from being plowed under to make room for a privately owned office complex. The congregation was established in the city center more than five years ago to expand opportunities for ministry to the surrounding urban area. Observers agree that City Chapel faces an uphill battle. First, the developer who wants the church's property is Baker and Daniels, the largest law firm in the state. Not only does the firm have enormous legal resources at its disposal, it is well connected to officials with the City of South Bend. Baker and Daniels even represented the city when it applied to the federal government for the funds and authority to conduct the redevelopment activities being used to remove the church. The church also has to endure a process geared in favor of the city. According to the rules established by the city for eminent domain takings, the only point at which a property owner may object to the taking in court is after the deed has already been transferred to the city and, then, only the property appraisal can be challenged. At no time is the city required to make a case in court to defend its eminent domain claim. "I refuse to believe that the Supreme Court would authorize a property taking without so much as a court officer conducting a hearing on whether the city's need overrides the free exercise and property rights of this congregation," says James Master, the church's attorney. "There is no stage in the process where my client's rights are heard." Master told WorldNetDaily that due to the size of the congregation, the likelihood of finding another suitable location on the church's budget is not very good. "They have nowhere to go," he said. "What the city is planning to do will effectively destroy this church. This clearly violates the First Amendment's free exercise protections." City Chapel's travails are shared by St. Luke's Pentecostal Church in North Hempstead, N.Y. As WorldNetDaily recently reported, St. Luke's property is scheduled for seizure by the North Hempstead Community Development Authority, which claims the property is "blighted" and zoned for business. The development authority is offering the church $80,000 for its real estate, far less than the $130,000 the congregation paid for the property in 1997. The church has until June 29 to contest the development authority's offer. Meanwhile, the church lost its tax-exempt status after the town's zoning authority determined that the property didn't have adequate parking spaces, adding another $20,000 to the church's financial woes. New Rochelle's furniture fetish David Newmark, a New Rochelle, N.Y., business owner told WorldNetDaily he first learned about the designs his city had on his property from a newspaper report. "To say that I was surprised when I read in the paper that the city had announced plans to develop our property would be an understatement," he said. "At that point, we started writing letters to our city council and our mayor telling them that we didn't appreciate them trying to take our property from us." Newmark's company, Vernon Devices, has been manufacturing cutting tools in the area for over 40 years, eight years at its current location. The city has been negotiating with IKEA, a national furniture manufacturer, to house a massive retail outlet store on the property currently owned by Newmark and his neighbors. The proposed IKEA store would cover 300,000 square feet and provide 1,300 parking spaces. City officials say the project could generate hundreds of jobs and millions of dollars in new sales tax revenues. However, 29 businesses that employ 378 people, 34 houses with 160 residents and two churches will be required to move or close to make way for the facility, with no guarantee that the businesses will be able to relocate and reopen. Timothy Idoni, New Rochelle's mayor, recently defended the proposal in an interview with CNN. "It's an area that's in real need of sprucing-up," Idoni said. "And the question here is whether IKEA is the right fit or not." Last October, the City of New Rochelle and IKEA entered into a memorandum of understanding which states that the city would use its eminent-domain power to obtain any property where IKEA was not able to successfully negotiate with the current property owners. "We're pretty disgusted with all of this," Newmark said. "It's disheartening that you can live in a town your entire life and they come to railroad you out of town for the benefit of a large corporation that really shouldn't be asking for corporate welfare." Vera Coking KOs Donald Trump One of the most prominent eminent domain cases for the Institute for Justice was when they took on real estate mogul Donald Trump, who wanted to oust Vera Coking from her three-story Atlantic City beachside home of 36 years to build a casino. Trump had initially offered the elderly widow $250,000 for the property, but she had already rejected a $1 million offer in 1983 from Penthouse publisher Bob Guccione. Unsuccessful in trying to reach an agreement with Coking and her neighbors, Trump began working with the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority to use its power of eminent domain to condemn Coking's property, take it away from her at a bargain-basement price, then transfer the ownership to Trump for a fraction of the market value. Trump intended to use the property to park limousines where Coking's bedroom, kitchen and dining room now stand. He went ahead with a plan to build the 22-story Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino next door to Coking's home. But his plans to acquire the property were scuttled in 1996 when the Institute intervened and won a hard-fought victory in the New Jersey courts for Coking and her neighbors. Property rights crusade Since the big win against Trump in Atlantic City, the Institute for Justice has taken on more eminent domain cases and established a separate legal unit dedicated to the issue. The organization is now engaged in court battles all over the country. For instance, the Institute recently filed an amicus brief in a case currently before the Illinois Supreme Court that challenges a policy granting 10 percent of the proceeds from every piece of property the development agency condemns to the agency itself. In the legal brief, the Institute argued that this arrangement provides the government with undue incentive to use eminent domain to obtain more funds for the agency. A decision is expected in the next few months. Berliner told WorldNetDaily that curbing eminent domain abuses and protecting property rights is one of the most important civil liberties issues confronting America today. "If private property can be condemned and given to another private individual for private profit, is there any limit to the exercise of government power?" she asks. She noted that in many cases, the threat of a protracted and costly legal battle is enough to get property owners to comply with the government's demands to turn over property. "In order to fight it, you have to put out so much," Berliner said. "For the most part, the people are forced to give up." "We're trying to give those people an alternative." For more, read "This land is your land," by WorldNetDaily Editor Joseph Farah and California Congressman Richard Pombo. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: 1st Amendment violation (fwd) Date: 26 Jun 2000 13:30:54 PST On Jun 26, Swftl@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >DATED JUNE 28, 2000 >THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz > >Jews, come out On Saturday, June 17, a city zoning code enforcement officer >showed up as Rabbi Moshe Omer was leading an Orthodox prayer meeting at his >Las Vegas home, near Sahara Avenue and Durango Drive. > >The visit was the latest in a series of attempts by city enforcement >officers to deal with neighbors' complaints that Omer is generating too much >traffic -- and resulting parking problems -- by operating his Kabbalah >Centre in an area zoned exclusively for residential use. > >The local Kabbalah Centre is one of 39 operated world-wide by the Los >Angeles-based organization of the same name. > >In front of a dozen congregants, the city inspector -- accompanied by three >Las Vegas police officers -- issued Omer a citation for conducting religious >worship in a private home and "creating a public nuisance." > >Rabbi Omer refused to sign the citation, explaining he was forbidden to even >sign his name on the sabbath, under his religious laws. Treating him as a >non-cooperative suspect, police then proceeded to place him under arrest, >handcuff him, and lead him to a waiting patrol car. > >The rabbi explained his faith forbids him from riding in automobiles during >the sabbath, as well. Ignoring that, the cops hauled him downtown and >booked him, anyway. > >Fortunately, a judge was located to sign the rabbi's citation for him, and >he was released that day, though the arrest left him stranded downtown till >the sabbath ended at sunset. By Wednesday, Mayor Oscar Goodman was >apologizing for what he called his officers' "ignorance and a mistake in >judgment." > >Some will doubtless say "The law is the law," pointing out that it's >standard procedure to haul a suspect down to the station -- even on a >misdemeanor matter -- if he or she refuses to sign a citation, which amounts >to a "promise to appear." > >But they would be wrong. What about suspects who are unable to sign due to >illiteracy, or a physical handicap? Are there no provisions for them? > >While law enforcement types are fond of saying "We have no choice, we have >to enforce the letter of the law," common sense tell us this is not so. Try >driving at precisely 55 mph in the center lane of a limited-access highway, >sometime. Vehicles will zip past you so fast on both sides you'll feel like >a small ship straddled by shellfire. But do police attempt to pull over >every driver going 60 in a 55 mph zone? Of course not. > >Think the desk sergeant will dispatch squads of men to arrest a dozen of his >fellow officers, hauling them down to court in their underwear, if you >provide him with a list of those illegally "cohabitating" without benefit of >marriage? Fat chance. > >In fact, police in a number of cities, unhappy with their contracts, >occasionally threaten to enforce every law "to the letter" as a form of job >action, knowing this would bring any city to a halt, so profligate have the >lawmakers been in churning out their endless, petty edicts. > >The first thing that needs to be done here is to amend any city or county >ordinance -- if there really is one -- prohibiting "conduct of religious >worship in a private home," before the ACLU goes to court and does the job >for us. Yes, under current law, someone building a huge church or temple >with a 400-space parking lot in a residential area without proper zoning or >permits might merit an order to "appear and show cause." But a dozen folks >praying quietly in private? > >Such a blatant violation of the First Amendment would be laughable, were not >Rabbi Omer here to tell us his frightening experience put him in mind of the >Nazis and their round-ups -- hardly a topic for merriment. > >Second, a local attorney for the Kabbalah Centre says the group is looking >for another location. City officials might meet with them and see if a >schedule can be arranged which will assure the rabbi's neighbors that >strange cars won't be lining their streets indefinitely. > >But finally, this is one more example of the simple fact that we now have >far too many laws, regulations, and enforcers, in the first place. > >Any fan of old Western movies can remember the Ladies Temperance Committee >descending on the sheriff and demanding that he evict from town that brazen >hussy or gunman drinking alcohol over at the saloon, or playing cards, or >whatever the perceived sin of the moment might be. > >And what did the sheriff invariably respond? "Sorry, ladies. It's still a >free country." > >Is it? > >We need a lot fewer of these front-line functionaries, and a lot fewer >ordinances for them to enforce. > >And if an officer finally is sent out, we need men and women with the >experience and judgment to calmly say, "If a car is blocking your driveway, >we'll go knock and ask for it to be moved. But you want me to arrest the >rabbi for conducting religious services on the sabbath? In his private >home? Not in (start ital)my(end ital) America, pilgrim." > > >Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas >Review-Journal. His book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom >Movement, 1993-1998," is available at $24.95 postpaid by dialing >1-800-244-2224; or via web site >http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html. > >*** >Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com "The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by >him who resists it." -- John Hay, 1872 "The whole aim of practical politics >is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- >by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." >-- H.L. Mencken >* * * > >All I ask of electronic subscribers is that they not RE-forward my columns >until on or after the embargo date which appears at the top of each, and >that (should they then choose to do so) they copy the columns in their >entirety, preserving the original attribution. > >The Vinsends list is maintained by Alan Wendt in Colorado, who may be >reached directly at alan@ezlink.com. The web sites for the Suprynowicz >column are at http://www.infomagic.com/liberty/vinyard.htm, and >http://www.nguworld.com/vindex. The Vinyard is maintained by Michael Voth >in Flagstaff, who may be reached directly at mvoth@infomagic.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Tracing Gun Prints Readied by Govt (fwd) Date: 26 Jun 2000 19:21:30 PST On Jun 26, Bruce Chesley wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Don't be fooled. The $250,000 per computer is a small percentage for what it will cost to computerize all those images AND do all the links to the 230 labs and 30,000 police departments. Figure $10,000 - $30,000 average for the computer hardware and software PER POLICE DEPARTMENT and at least that amount for each lab. Then there are the ongoing connect charges, electrical, office space renovations, personnel hiring / training / salary increases, the annual conferences.....yada, yada, yada. real costs will be $40,000,000 - $140,000,000 just to install and link everyone. Digital cameras go for @ $600 - $2,000 EACH x 30,240. Make that at least 2 cameras or 60,480 because we're talking A LOT of digital photography. Cameras will be worn out. And the payback ? Read the next to last paragraph which I have placed an asterisk line before and after. So far - 2, that's right, 2 crimes solved from the current 500,000 image database. How many gun crimes are there every year - 30,000 ? Bruce Chesley Truth is a terrible cross to bear. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.". Thomas Paine Treason for $$$: ccrkba, jpfo, leaa, nra, saf. On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:08:29 EDT ********@aol.com writes: http://usatoday.com/news/ndssun06.htm 06/25/00- Updated 09:18 PM ET Tracing gun prints readied in Calif. By Gary Fields, USA TODAY WASHINGTON - The FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms hope to install the first of several computers this year to trace guns and bullets in much the same way individuals are identified and tracked by fingerprints. Tentative plans are to install the computers in crime labs in California first. Oklahoma and Texas would be the second region to receive the new systems, followed by New York and Connecticut, then Washington, D.C., Maryland and Virginia. Officials say they give those areas priority because of the levels of gun violence there and because of past success using computer ballistics examination systems. The goal is to create a network that links the nation's 230 crime labs and 30,000 law enforcement organizations to millions of computerized images of bullets and cartridge casings. Scientists have known for decades that every gun leaves markings on bullets and cartridge cases that are as distinctive as fingerprints. In the early 1990s, FBI and ATF computer systems were developed that allowed comparisons of those "gun prints" with bullets collected from crime scenes. The new computers, each of which costs about $250,000, will house a new system that combines the FBI's Drugfire system and the ATF's Integrated Ballistics Imaging System. The two agencies had been working for more than a year on finding a way to link their systems. Officials say they decided earlier this year that it would be easier to create the hybrid system. Under the new system, bullets and cartridge cases are photographed with a digital camera. The images are computerized, and microscopic imperfections are measured. Within minutes, the images can be compared with other bullets and casings in the system and matched with images of bullets and casings recovered in crimes. In the past, ballistics tests were usually done only after police had a suspect and a weapon in hand. As they assembled evidence for a trial, police would test-fire the gun and compare the bullets they fired with those found at a crime scene or extracted from a victim's body. ********************************************************************************** So far, about 500,000 ballistics images are in the FBI and ATF databases. Although that is a small percentage of the ammunition from the 220 million firearms in circulation, examiners and police departments have used the limited databases to link at least 5,700 guns to two or more crimes when no other evidence existed. ********************************************************************************** In addition to fine-tuning the new system, authorities also have a pilot program working with a gun manufacturer, Glock, in which the "gun prints" of the company's new guns are being added to the database. Front page, News, Sports, Money, Life, Weather, Marketplace © Copyright 2000 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Co. Inc. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: ABC one-ups PBS w/Search For Jesus tonite (fwd) Date: 26 Jun 2000 19:22:16 PST On Jun 26, House, David Alan wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The selection of experts and advocates for the various perspectives are reportedly liberal to at least a 5 to 1 count. However I definitely intend seeing it. 9pm tonite, est. According to Religion writer Richard Ostling of AP, 'Jennings seems to have discovered none of the estimable moderate and conservative scholars in America. And even on the liberal side, the show doesn't visit the blueblood campuses where biblical history is being undermined, nor does it hear from some prime figures in the debate.' & 'Though viewers aren't told this, four of the five Americans on-screen come from the 'Jesus Seminar'. As fundamentalists scowled and scholars smirked, this group organized to take votes on whether each passage in the Gospels is true or false. Given the group's methods, skeptical presuppositions and special ideologies, falsity was bound to win most of the ballots.' I.E. severely unbalanced and biased, as in nearly everything else it often seems. Finally Mr. Ostling reports that the common folk who are interviewed are stood 'against the experts, who supposedly know better. That's a hugely distorted picture.' 'nuf said. One last quote, 'Jennings, an occasional Episcopal churchgoer, displays his continuing interest...by personally reporting on 'The Search for Jesus.' David http://abcnews.go.com/onair/jesus/index.html ABCNEWS' Peter Jennings Reporting: The Search for Jesus is a journalist's exploration of the historical figure of Jesus. The two-hour documentary will provide extensive insights into the 2,000-year-old story of Christianity and the man whose life continues to inspire devotion and debate. In this Web version of The Search for Jesus, we invite you to interact with the story and to engage in discussion with others who may or may not share your views. The multimedia presentation features video excerpts from the television special plus original content created specially for the Web. In addition, we encourage you to join us for a live chat with Peter Jennings at 11 p.m. ET, Monday, June 26. The basic version of this material is available to users with slower connections and can be viewed by selecting the "Basic Version" links. The enhanced version of this presentation is built for broadband users-those with at connection at or above 256 kbps-and can be viewed by clicking on the "Enhanced Version" links. Both versions features maps, an historical timeline of Christianity, user surveys, links to related stories and a discussion board where users can talk about issues and questions related to their beliefs and the life of Jesus. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fratrum] making a list, checking it twice.... (fwd) Date: 26 Jun 2000 19:24:11 PST On Jun 26, Jim Moore wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Here's more on our Gestapo in action! Important Vote Affecting Gun Rights Tomorrow -- House to decide if government can glean gun owners' names from certain lists Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org This alert posted on the web at: http://www.gunowners.org/a062600.htm (Monday, June 26, 2000) -- The Hostettler amendment to gut the Smith & Wesson agreement is scheduled to be voted on tonight. Having said that, there is a threat looming on the horizon -- a threat that may materialize in the House as early as tomorrow. The House is expected to begin debating H.R 4717, the Archer-Houghton "Full and Fair Political Activity Disclosure Act of 2000" -- a bill that turns out to be neither full nor fair. H.R. 4717 would force affected organizations (like GOA) to release many, if not all, of the names and addresses of their members to the IRS -- a requirement which is blatantly unconstitutional. Many years ago, the state of Alabama had tried to get the names of NAACP members, but its attempts were beaten back by the Supreme Court in NAACP v. Alabama (1958). Despite this obvious precedent, this bill is now targeting so-called 501(c)(4) lobbying organizations -- groups like GOA and NRA-ILA -- which cannot receive tax-deductible contributions from the public. In contrast, there are many liberal foundations that are set up as 501(c)(3) organizations -- groups like the Million Mom March Foundation which are limited in the amount of direct lobbying that they can do. Even so, these foundations can still spend up to $1 million per year in direct lobbying and conduct voter education campaigns while still receiving tax-deductible contributions. All this to say: H.R. 4717 applies to 501(c)(4) organizations but not to 501(c)(3) organizations. Thus, this bill regulates GOA and NRA, but not anti-gun organizations such as the Violence Policy Center, the Million Mom March Foundation or HCI's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence. Unfair? You bet it is. But the bigger issue is the threat this bill poses to the Constitution. This bill, sponsored by retiring Representative Bill Archer (R-TX), will allow Republicans to claim they have "done something" about campaign finance reform. But in doing so, they're blowing holes in the Constitution. The Supreme Court correctly noted in the NAACP decision that forcing groups to disclose their members' names to the government would "constitute a[n] effective restraint on freedom of association." It goes without saying that an activist who sends a check to GOA to help protect his Second Amendment rights doesn't want his name being registered with the IRS as a gun owner. And for that reason, GOA will fight this bill "tooth and nail." And if this bill were to become law, GOA would not comply. We would fight it in court, and exhaust every possible resource, because we are not going to turn over our members' names to the IRS. This underscores why it is SO VERY IMPORTANT that we defeat this bill in the Congress! GOA would rather spend its members' dollars defending 2nd Amendment freedoms, as opposed to spending hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting 1st Amendment battles in court. ACTION: Please ask your Congressman to OPPOSE H.R. 4717, the Archer-Houghton Political Activity Disclosure Act. Tell them the government has no business keeping tabs on who you're associating with. Moreover, this kind of legislation is dangerous as far as gun ownership is concerned. The registration of gun owners could very well be the first step towards confiscation in the future. Tell your Congressman to vote NO on H.R. 4717. Please call him toll-free at 1-888-449-3511. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [our-constitution] Freedom-Lovers International needs help (fwd) Date: 26 Jun 2000 22:44:13 PST On Jun 26, Charles F. Nawrocki wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ////// SENT FYI /////// >From: "FLI" >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:24:46 -0500 >Reply-To: our-constitution@egroups.com >Subject: [our-constitution] Freedom-Lovers International needs help > >FLI is going through a growth period, and we are enlisting volunteers to >help us out. > > >We need writers. Reporters who will report on events or news from your >area. We would like to list you as an exclusive FLI reporter. We also >need news and reporters from each of your organizations. If you have a >press release or a hot news tip, or you just want to send us an interesting >article, please email news@freedomloversinternational.com > >We can't publish the news if we don't get it. > >We need a listing or announcement of any events you have coming up for you, >your group, or your organization. For events you can email us at >events@freedomloversinternational.com > >We can't help you promote your events if we don't have them. > >We need alerts. Any upcoming action alerts you need to be publicized...such >as boycotts, upcoming legislation, etc. Those should also go to >news@freedomloversinternational.com > >We need your editorials. If you are looking for a way to get published, >here is a great opportunity. We are looking forward to adding more writers >to our contributing editorialists list. You can send all OpEds to >OpEdDirector@freedomloversinternational.com > >We need someone who can help us fill other needed vacancies that are >dependable and are media advocates for the freedom-movement. > >We need proof-readers, also. > >The best way to get the information out is to become media. We need people >who will help us do other forms of research also on an as needed basis. 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Ponder, president >Freedom-Lovers International >http://www.freedomloversinternational.com > > > > >Visit Freedom-Lovers International for Freedom News >You Can Use! >http://www.freedomloversinternational.com > >Phone: 713-272-9941 > >Here you will find updated news items that effect your activities >as a citizen. > >Freedom-Lovers International needs your help! >You can sign up for our FreedomNewsAlerts and become a "Freedom-Lover" >by sending a blank email to FreedomNewsAlert-subscribe@egroups.com >If you wish to join the FLI discussion list, you can do so by sending a >blank email to >freedom-loversinternational-subscribe@egroups.com > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >BeMANY, where eGroups members SAVE on long distance. >http://click.egroups.com/1/4121/0/_/266979/_/962065904/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To Post a message, send it to: our-constitution@eGroups.com > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >our-constitution-unsubscribe@eGroups.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Free Dumb LawDatabase (fwd) Date: 27 Jun 2000 11:13:09 PST On Jun 27, RJK.Sr. wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] DECRIMINALIZATION DAY, JULY 3RD protests ridiculous state laws WASHINGTON, DC -- If you think the politicians in Washington, DC are bad, you should see what your state legislators are doing! And you can, by visiting our free online database of dumb laws at: http://www.silcom.com/~taxabo Over the past year, states have tried to pass bills that would create the post of Secretary of Barbecue, ban the sale of cat-fur clothing, require horse-and-buggy operators to have a driver's license, make big bottles of beer illegal, and mandate that insurance companies pay for toupees for bald guys. And that's just for openers. "States have been called the laboratories of democracy -- but they're actually Frankenstein's laboratories, churning out a monstrous series of meddling laws, foolish dictates, and preposterous pronouncements." "The worst part is that you -- and your fellow state taxpayers -- have to finance all this legislative malarkey." Over the past year, according to an expose from the National Journal, state legislatures have considered or passed bills that would: * Make it illegal to breastfeed someone else's baby without permission. (Maryland) * Create the official government position of Secretary of Barbecue. (Florida) * Require a driver's license and insurance to operate a horse-and-buggy on public roads. (Virginia) * Make it illegal to sell beer bottles that are larger than 32 ounces. (Florida) * Prohibit the sale of dog-fur or cat-fur clothing. (New Jersey) * Require insurance companies to pay for the cost of toupees for men suffering from alopecia -- the medical term for baldness. (Missouri) * Allow underage cooking school students to taste (but not drink) wine. (Florida) * Honor NFL quarterback Kurt Warner for being named the National Football League's Most Valuable Player. (Missouri) * Scold Late Show host Craig Kilborn for calling Kentucky "Kensucky." (Kentucky) * Prohibit auto dealers from selling cars or trucks on consecutive Saturdays and Sundays. (Utah) * Name the green frog the official "State Amphibian." (Indiana) * Designate the Purple Loosestrife plant a "noxious weed." (Virginia) * Mandate a dress code for teachers. (South Carolina) * Force tow-truck operators to accept at least two major credit cards. (Delaware) * Make it illegal to shine a laser pointer at a law enforcement officer. (Indiana) * Prohibit any mention of non-Christian religions when teaching Colonial history. (Kentucky) What do all these bills have in common? They are simply not necessary. "All these bills are solutions in search of a problem. Has there been an epidemic of crazed, bald horse-and-buggy operators wearing cat-fur and drinking 64 oz. beers, who are shining laser pointers at police while breastfeeding other people's babies? "If not, these state politicians could improve the quality of their legislative output by following the old advice: Don't just do something, stand there." [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Private Property Targeted for Immediate Federalization] (fwd) Date: 27 Jun 2000 19:18:31 PST On Jun 27, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Reply-to: Editor@Vigo-Examiner.com Private Property Targeted for Immediate Federalization by Rev. CURT TOMLIN ctomlin@vvm.com The Christian Alert Network, Inc. Web Site: http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin Clinton administration ADVANCES Communist and United Nations philosophy on private property ownership. "American Private Property" is being targeted for immediate federalization and seizure by the Clinton administration. Want PROOF --- read on. "Both communism and democracy accept the fact that the economy is an important center of social power. But free societies believe in a free economy - that is, one in which most decisions affecting production and consumption are made by private individuals rather than by an all-powerful state. By contrast, the Communist approach to economics is to concentrate all ownership, control and management of property in the hands of a totalitarian state. Such economic power tremendously increases the internal authority of a political system that has no constitution or political restraints upon it in the first place." (Source: US Department of Defense Training Manual (DoD GEN- 9) "Two Ways of Life: The Communist Challenge to Democracy, page 332, paragraph 3) The land policy of the United Nations was first officially articulated at the United Nations Conference on Human Settlements (Habitat I), held in Vancouver, May 31 - June 11, 1976. Agenda Item 10 of the Conference Report sets forth the UN's official policy on land. The Preamble says: "Land...cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes. The provision of decent dwellings and healthy conditions for the people can only be achieved if land is used in the interests of society as a whole. Public control of land use is therefore indispensable -----" For more detail information on the United Nations plan pertaining to nationalization of all private property please visit the following TCAN web site: http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin/a90.htm For your information and IMMEDIATE ACTION....... TCAN is please to forward the following URGENT information provided by Tom DeWeese, President, American Policy Center ***************************************** Desperate CARA Forces Turning to Dirty Tricks... your Immediate Action Needed! The future of private property will be decided on June 27 and 28 when S. 25, The Conservation and Reinvestment Act (CARA), comes before the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee for mark-up. In an obvious effort to divide and confuse you, Senators are busy introducing "sleeper" CARA bills. All of these bills will then be combined into one; probably under a different number (got the strategy?) and then rushed to the Senate floor for a vote. This is a typical tactic of Congress when our elected officials are determined to pass an unpopular bill. Do not, repeat, DO NOT let them get away with it! Two of the "sleeper" CARA bills that we know of are S. 2123 and S. 2181. Both are slightly altered versions of the original S.25, but the impact is the same in every respect. You should be outraged that these sort of devious tactics would be used to force a bill on the American citizens that is not only unwanted, but also could be used to coerce you off of your private property! If passed, CARA will result in a massive, permanent $3 billion per year trust fund for the Federal government to invade rural America, shut down farms, close ranches and seal off billions of acres of private and public property from human use. This is easily the most destructive piece of legislation to come down the pike in years as CARA will result in the BIGGEST Federal land grabbing spree ever! Send Sen. Murkowski and the Senate Energy Committee a strong message: "NO on CARA!" Do it today! Monday 26 June ACTION TO TAKE ACTION # 1. Listed below are the members of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee. If your Senator is on this list, you MUST call and tell him to oppose S. 25, S. 2123, and S. 2181. Call early and often! Every environmental extremist organization is using their massive war chest to push CARA through. Your repeated calls are vital! ACTION # 2. IMPORTANT: Even if your Senators are not on the list below, call them anyway. If CARA is not defeated in the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee next Tuesday and Wednesday, your Senators will be voting on this monster come July! Capitol Hill Senate Switchboard: (202)224-3121 simply call and ask for your Senator by name. 1. Sen. Frank Murkowski (R-AK): Phone--(202) 224-6665 and Fax--(202) 224-5301 2. Sen. Pete Domenici (R-NM): Phone--(202) 224-6621 and Fax--(202) 224-7371 3. Sen. Don Nickles (R-OK): Phone--(202) 224-5754 and Fax--(202) 224-6008 4. Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID): Phone--(202) 224-2752 and Fax--(202) 228-1067 5. Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-CO): Phone--(202) 224-5852 and Fax--(202) 224-1933 6. Sen. Craig Thomas (R-WY): Phone--(202) 224-6441 and Fax--(202) 224-1727 7. Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR): Phone--(202) 224-3753 and Fax--(202)228-3997 8. Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY): Phone--(202) 224-4343 and Fax--(202) 228-1373 9. Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL): Phone--(202) 224-2854 and Fax--(202) 228-1372 10. Sen. Slade Gorton (R-WA): Phone--(202) 224-3441 and Fax--(202) 224-9393 11.Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT): Phone--(202) 224-2644 and Fax--(202) 224-8594 12. Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-NM) Phone--(202) 224-5521 and Fax--(202) 224-2852 13. Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-HI): Phone--(202) 224-6361 and Fax--(202) 224-2126 14. Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND): Phone--(202) 224-2551 and Fax--(202) 224-1193 15. Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL): Phone--(202) 224-3041 and Fax--(202) 224-2237 16. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR): Phone--(202) 224-5244 and Fax--(202) 228-2717 17. Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD): Phone--(202) 224-5842 and Fax--(202) 228-5765 18. Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA): Phone--(202) 224-5824 and Fax--(202) 224-9735 19. Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN): Phone--(202) 224-5623 and Fax--(202) 228-1377 20. Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR): Phone--(202) 224-4843 and Fax--(202) 228-1371 ACTION # 3. Call Chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, Sen. Frank Murkowski (202-224-6665) and voice your strong opposition to CARA (S.25; S.2123, and S.2181). Everyone must make this call. Sen. Murkowski needs to know that underhanded attempts to diminish American private property rights WILL NOT BE TOLERATED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! TCAN Respectfully request that all readers FORWARD this alert to the maximum extent possible. Enjoy a 90 day free trial subscription to the E-mail edition of the Vigo Examiner. You will receive up to three of our top stories, editorials or letters each day. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: SuperPower troopers versus irregulars - 4 lessons from history (fwd) Date: 28 Jun 2000 13:41:05 PST On Jun 28, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] RKBA Defenders, Leftists sneer at the concept that armed citizens could in any way challenge a standing military, and, based on this erroneous assumption, make the logical contortion that 'if resistance is futile, then the Second Amendment is obsolete -- outdated. We might as well put it out of its misery.' Well, as can be expected from the Left, it is simply a lie. With proper tactics, weapons and determination, ragged, irregular troops have taken a serious toll on established armies from the King George III, the Arab League, the French in Indo-China and Algeria, Nicaragua, Sri Lanka, and so on... Key to all these successes were the availability of arms. The rebellions in 1950's Eastern Europe were brutally suppressed, the civilians not having their own weapons. And so it has been with all disarmed populations. Every tyrant has feared a well-armed populace. Many on these lists are veterans, some served in Vietnam. And among this subset, some served in the field. They know the crude effectiveness of AK's, RPGs and booby traps. Four engagements of SuperPower Troopers versus irregular troops: Chechnya, Afghanistan, Somalia and the English retreat from Concord. In Liberty, Rick V. Keyboard Commando ;-) Chechnya Chechnya's separatist wars against Moscow - in particular, since 1994 - have been extensively studied by the Marines, who see Chechnya as the prototype of all future separatist wars, particularly in urban areas. And the brutal lesson of Chechnya is simple - that ill-armed and undermanned- but-determined factions can either defeat superpowers in such warfare or inflict such hellish losses on them as to destabilize the superpower itself politically." http://www.alamanceind.com/intern/intern_1.html - The Black Tulip - Flying the Mi-24 Hind over Afghanistan "Infantry close aboard, twelve o'clock, firing now!" Belyanov snapped his head around to see tracers all around the canopy, arcing up into the night. They had missed this group entirely, and they were almost on top of them -- Belyanov added collective and slammed the helicopter into a fifty degree bank, tailed by sparkling tracers. He jammed the trigger back and felt the turret gun's chattering, firing aimless bursts at the unseen enemy below. Back to the left, Rukhin called a target -- Belyanov rolled back out to bring the turret gun to bear, and three of the shadowy figures collapsed beneath the pounding, glowing rounds. Then he pushed the helicopter into an ascending circle, scanning the landscape below. He could feel panic now. As long as the enemy was in front of you, you didn't worry too much; your weapons generally outranged his, and what you could see you could shoot. But when he disappeared under the nose into that fatal zone beneath your belly, he could kill you without your knowing it." http://webcom.com/~amraam/tiw23.html - Blackhawk Down - US Army Rangers - Disaster in Somalia Fire was getting heavier. To officers watching on screens in the command center, it was as if their men had poked a stick into a hornet's nest. It was an amazing and unnerving thing to view a battle in real time. Cameras on the surveillance aircraft circling high over the fight captured crowds of Somalis erecting barricades and lighting tires to summon help. People were pouring into the streets, many with weapons. They were racing from all directions toward the spot where orbiting helicopters marked the fight. There wasn't much the Joint Operating Command could do but watch. . . . They started taking fire. A Ranger in Blackburn's humvee shot down two Somali gunmen who ran right up to the rear of the vehicle as they moved past an alley. At every intersection came a hail of rounds. People were shooting from rooftops and from windows and from all directions. http://www.nightstalkers.com/tfranger/blackhawkdown/Default.html Retreat from Concord Brigadier General Hugh Percy led the British campaign. In his report to British General Gage the next day, he wrote: "In obedience to your Excellency's orders, I marched yesterday morning at 9 o'clock with the 1st brigade and two field pieces in order to cover the retreat of the grenadiers and light infantry in their return from their expedition to Concord. "As all the houses were shut up, and there was not the appearance of a single inhabitant, I could get no intelligence concerning them till I had passed Menotomy when I was informed that the rebels had attacked his Majesty's troops who were retiring, overpowered by numbers, greatly exhausted and fatigued, and having expended almost all their ammunition - and at about 2 o'clock I met them retiring rough the town of Lexington - I immediately ordered the 2 field pieces to fire at the rebels, and drew up the brigade on a height. "The shot from the cannon had the desired effect, and stopped the rebels for a little time, who immediately dispersed, and endeavored to surround us being very numerous. As it began now to grow pretty late and we had 15 miles to retire, and only 36 rounds, I ordered the grenadiers and light infantry to move of first; and covered them with my brigade sending out very strong flanking parties which were absolutely very necessary, as there was not a stone wall, or house, though before in appearance evacuated, from whence the rebels did not fire upon us. As soon as they saw us begin to retire, they pressed very much upon our rear guard, which for that reason, I relieved every now and then. "In this manner we retired for 15 miles under incessant fire all round us, till we arrived at Charlestown, between 7 and 8 in the evening and having expended almost all our ammunition. We had the misfortune of losing a good many men in the retreat, though nothing like the number which from many circumstances I have reason to believe were killed of the rebels. His Majesty's troops during the whole of the affair behaved with their usual intrepidity and spirit nor were they a little exasperated at the cruelty and barbarity of the rebels, who scalped and cut off the ears of some of the wounded men who fell into their hands." There is no evidence that the colonist rebels scalped or cut off the ears of any wounded British soldier. So you must wonder how much of Brigadier General Percy's report is accurate. Most accounts say that there were 73 British killed and and 247 wounded or missing at the end of the day. The Minutemen lost 93 soldiers in the fighting. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9198/revwar/concord.htm -- Guns Are Tyranny Control http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/iurist The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fratrum] [Fwd: Secret Freedom Fighter: Intro] (fwd) Date: 28 Jun 2000 13:44:04 PST On Jun 28, Mark Aiello wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I first scanned and sent out these chapters back in 1998. In honor of our Independence Day, I'm sending it again. More and more people come on the net--so these wonderful excerpts could be seen by someone new. Go and read the Declaration of Independence this week. And then declare your own independence from our enemy, the State. Patty Reply-To: Patricia Neill (Available from www.amazon.com--Paladin reports that the book is out of print, but apparently, Amazon can get copies. Amazon sells for $15.95 plus a few bucks for shipping. I highly recommend that you secret and not so secret freedom fighters out there get a copy. And get it soon. It was written 12 years ago, so Mack's view of current political realities in America are dated. Things have definitely gotten worse since then. The book has a lot of ideas on how to make it better again. Some of these ideas are violent, and more extreme than I am willing to recommend [in public--Hi all you alphabet guys, quit reading my email and get a real job, would ya?] some are pure monkeywrenching, many of them are simply excellent. Use your own judgment. Most emphatically do not rely on mine. That would be just plain dumb. Patty) Introduction >From The Secret Freedom Fighter: Fighting Tyranny without Terrorizing the Innocent by Jefferson Mack Paladin Press, 1986 ISBN 0-87364-392-5 I love America, but not just the geography, the land, and the people. America is more than that. It's an idea, and it's the idea that I love, the idea that human beings can be free, not because some king or lord gives them freedom, but because they insist on living that way. Even though I love America, I've spent most of my life living someplace else. That's where the money and the adventure were for a man with my special kinds of talents. But an American never really leaves home. He always takes that idea with him, the idea that he is free because he insists on being free, that no one has the right to dictate his thoughts, his desires, his will, or his actions. The longer I have lived in other countries, the more I have learned to love the idea of America and the people that live that idea. Americans are different from the rest of the world. Whether our families came over on the Mayflower or with the latest boatload of refugees from the newest commie hell, we all love that same idea,, the idea of freedom. Americans are good people and kind people. We love to cooperate, to work together. We invented the idea of teamwork, the idea that by giving a bit of one's self, we not only work for the common good, but we make our own lives better too. We donate more to charity, we give more to our churches, and we do more voluntary work than any other nation in the world. Because Americans are good people, most Americans obey most of the laws most of the time. We like to get along with the neighbors, we like the peaceful life, and we would rather bargain and compromise than fight. Most of us don't steal, rape, pillage, or kill. We have no tolerance for the violent criminal, the thug, or the thief. But we are not lawabiding citizens. We are a nation of lawbreakers. Americans break morelaws more often than any other group of people in the world. We break laws any time it suits us because we Americans insist on making our own decisions on what good behavior is. We don't let politicians, do-gooders, religious cranks, or puritan bluenoses tell us what is good and what is bad. We decide that ourselves. If we don't like what they tell us to do, even if they pass a law, we don't do it. We want the cop on the beat, but we want him protecting us from the violent criminals, not telling us how to run our own lives. When he starts trying to do that, we thumb our nose at him, make him the butt of our jokesi and keep right on doing what we want to do. We are the only country in the world where a businessman can make millions of dollars selling a device - a radar device - whose sole purpose is to help us break the law. Some of us don't like the traffic laws and we don't like the way they are enforced. We buy radar detectors so we won't get caught when we break the law. We think it's smart, and we brag to our friends about how we do it. We don't just break the law ourselves. We help other people, even strangers, do it, too. That's the real reason most of you bought that CB unit for your car, so strangers could warn you and you could warn them when the highway patrol was on the prowl. Even without the CB, we'll flash our lights three times and gratefully slow down when some other stranger returns us the favor on another day. When the policeman stops protecting us, we do it ourselves, even if we have to break the law. We made a hero out of a nervous, little man who broke the laws of New York and started carrying an illegal pistol on the subway, then used it on four thugs waving sharpened screwdrivers. The main criticism we hear of his action is that he turned himself in. We wanted him to get away scot-free. Thousands of Americans buy semiautomatic weapons and then convert them to full-automatic fire, and never bother to tell the Feds or pay the fee for the conversion. If you are not sure how to do that, some fellow American will sell you a book explaining the operation in detail. If necessary, he'll disguise his purpose, claiming the book will teach you how to repair guns. In the process, he'll also teach you how to make a silencer to go with your illegal weapon. But why would any law-abiding American want a silenced MAC-10? He's not buying it so he can rob a bank the next time he loses his job or hire himself out to protect shipments of cocaine. He's buying that weapon because he doesn't trust authority, even the authority he helped elect. He knows that he is his only ultimate guarantee of his own freedom and he wants a weapon he can use if he has to prove it. We take pride in being U.S. citizens, and most of us pay our taxes, not because it's the law, but because we want to do our share. But a lot of Americans have decided the tax system is no longer fair. They have started breaking the law, and the IRS can't do much about it. The small businessman running a bar or a restaurant slips a twenty-dollar bill into his pocket instead of the cash register every day. That's over $7,000 in tax-free income every year, and that doesn't include the leftover food he takes home to feed his family, but writes off as spoilage. A carpenter builds a sun deck for the dentist that fixed the carpenter's kid's teeth. It's a bargain for both of them, but each such act breaks the law because neither person reported the equivalent income on his tax return. (Imagine, the IRS really does insist that the government should get paid a share of that deal.) I spent a couple of years working in Washington, D.C., one time. A lot of my friends lived in the suburbs of Northern Virginia. Virginia puts a high tax on liquor. Not one of my friends ever served me a drink out of a bottle with a Virginia State tax stamp on it. They all bought their booze in liquor stores in the District of Columbia at 25 to 50 percent less than what the same bottle costs on the Virginia side of the Potomac. That was against Virginia State law, but who cared? The Virginia authorities would run stories in the newspapers once in a while listing the punishments for illegally bringing untaxed liquor into the state, and a rumor once even made the rounds that Virginia tax men were sitting in the parking lots of District of Columbia liquor stores jotting down license plate numbers. That didn't stop all those lawbreakers, but some of them did start parking down the street or taking a D.C. cab over to the liquor store. I have another friend who lives on a forested ridge line in a rural area of one of our western states. Somewhere around a hundred deer live there, too. The state game laws allow him and his wife to shoot two deer apiece during a three-week period every year if they buy the proper licenses and deer tags. They buy the licenses and tags, but if they and the few other families on the same ridge obeyed the part of the law which limits the take to two deer per hunter during a short season, a minimum of twenty deer a year would starve to death each winter. By not adhering to this limit, no deer starve, and the few families on the ridge eat venison from November to April. They're breaking the law and they know it. But they think it's a stupid law, at least as it applies to their little part of the world. They don't brag about it, and they go to a great deal of trouble disposing of the extra hides, antlers, hooves, bones, and innards. They eat well, and the deer herd stays stabilized at just the right size for the available winter forage. I've worked from inside our government and I've seen the authoritarian mentality at work from close at hand: people who think they're smarter and more clever than the rest of us and that they therefore have the right to decide what's best for us, without ever bothering to let us know about it. People who love authority love secrecy. If we don't know what they are doing to us, we can't complain and we can't fight it. That kind of authoritarian mind quickly discovers it's pretty damn hard to keep a secret in America, I'm not talking about military secrets. Nothing is lower than the little shit who sells a code system to the Russians. l'm talking about the kind of secret some government official is trying to hide because he doesn't want American citizens to know what he is planning to do to them. They keep trying to keep those kinds of vicious little secrets, and it never works. It never works because there is always some guy in the bureaucracy that breaks the law. He picks up the phone and calls the local newspaper and leaks the story. Dick Nixon would have gotten clear away if people like "Deep Throat" hadn't broken the laws against exposing government information. Americans don't like people in authority, and we love to get away with something that proves we are still living free. Once a day, or once a week, or maybe only once a year, we all claim the right to break a law. We all say the hell with authority; we all do something that makes those who think they run the system mad at us. I know one fellow who does his bit once every ten years. He refuses to fill out his census form. He says the people in Washington have no business knowing how many bathrooms he has in his house, and if they ever find out, they will probably use the information against him. So he throws the form in the trash can. He doesn't make a big deal about it. He doesn't confront the census taker. If he is asked where his form is, he says he misplaced it, accepts another, promises to fill it out and send it in immediately, and then throws it into the same trash can where he threw the first form. That's not a revolution. His single act in a decade isn't going to destroy the Bureau of the Census. But that's the way he proves to himself he is still a free man, that he still makes his own voluntary decision about what commands he will obey and what commands he will ignore. Thousands of Americans every day break laws they don't like. They play a game of poker for money in their own front room, they buy a number from a runner, they smoke pot, they snort coke, they skip town to avoid alimony payments, they take their kids out of a public school and educate them at home, they don't register for the draft when they turn eighteen, or they smuggle a watch into the country coming back from a trip to Hong Kong. Not one of those lawbreakers is doing anything that hurts you and me. They are not what is wrong with America. They are what is right with America. They are the spirit of freedom in action. I have lived in countries where people don't have that spirit of freedom. Sometimes life hasn't been all that bad for those people living without freedom. They have food on the table, a roof over their heads, a job, movies, TV-most of the things the average American has. But they don't have their own lives. Their lives belong to the men on top, the men with authority. Not all my fellow Americans feel as strongly about freedom as I do. Sometimes I'm afraid that more of them don't than do. But every time I go back home, I find the freedom lovers are still out there, still making up their own minds, still giving authority the finger any time authority starts getting in the way of free living. Freedom lovers don't have to be in a majority. But as long as they are out there, insisting on living free, ignoring those who try to tell them they must conform, freedom will last. I have seen the unfree world. I can't imagine it happening here, not without the total destruction of our country through a nuclear holocaust. There are too many of us that love freedom too much to give it up as long as we live. They may try to take our freedom away. Somebody is out there planning it right now. But there is a surprise waiting for them, a spirit they don't understand. Every man with a radar detector in his car, anyone who ever cheated on an income-tax form, every seventeen-year-old who has figured out how to buy a bottle of beer, everyone who knows the taste of out-of-season trout, every driver who ignored a parking ticket, anyone who ever made some wine in the cellar but neglected to fill out the federal form the the law requires, every woman who needed and got an abortion back when they were illegal, every man that's made an illegal bet on a football game, every bureaucrat that blew a whistle and embarrassed the guy at the top-all these people are already secret freedom fighters. You are out there waiting, waiting for the day when things get serious, when the people in charge stop trying to limit freedom and start trying to take it away altogether. You will be free, because you will insist on it. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Toy guns promote gentle play (fwd) Date: 28 Jun 2000 13:39:58 PST On Jun 28, C. D. Tavares wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I read about this in Gun Week, and then looked up the original report on the web. It's from England, no less. http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=003024828660687&rtmo=V6JD8rSK&atmo=99999999&pg=/et/00/5/22/ntoy22.html (watch the wrap) It's from the London Daily Telegraph, which (of course) brackets it with links to scare stories ("Toy guns are not all fun and games -Familyeducation.com" and the original Dunblane article from all the way back in 1996!) Nonetheless, the article makes a strong case that an armed society IS a more polite society. Even more instructive is the first link at the end of the story, which shows that Britons are now so spineless as to be successfully held up while in their own cars by a THREE-YEAR-OLD on the sidewalk with a TOY GUN who demands CANDY, after which they snivel off to report the robbery to police. Since the original article itself is very short, I will reproduce it below: Guns return to the nursery school toy chest By Liz Lightfoot, Education Correspondent A BAN on toy guns in nurseries is being relaxed as new research suggests that they reduce aggression. Far from encouraging violence, they lead to more imaginative and calmer play, says Penny Holland, of the University of North London, a lecturer in childhood studies. Over the past two decades guns have been removed from nurseries and playgroups for fear of turning small boys into potential killers. After the shootings at Hungerford and Dunblane, shops such as Hamleys and The Early Learning Centre introduced weapons bans and parents were advised not to allow their children to use them at home. But Miss Holland said that they had been reintroduced at a number of nurseries and others were thinking of following suit. She said she was surprised by the behaviour of children in nurseries that now allowed them. When the ban was lifted at Konstam nursery in Camden, north London, for example, the level of aggression dropped. Allowing the use of toy guns in a controlled environment provided "an imaginative doorway through which boys' play was enriched", she said. After an initial enthusiasm, the children's interest in weapons, war and super-hero play declined, leading to a more relaxed environment. Miss Holland said: "Having given these boys permission to pursue their initial interests, the world of the imagination has become their oyster and they are diving for pearls." -- Tavares@alum.mit.edu | http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares | RKBA! Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. -- H.L. MENCKEN [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Self Defense (fwd) Date: 28 Jun 2000 22:47:35 PST On Jun 28, Bruce Chesley wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is all great advice except for one obvious flaw. At no time does Pat Malone advise women to learn to use handguns for personal self defense. Bruce Chesley Truth is a terrible cross to bear. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.". Thomas Paine Treason for $$$: ccrkba, jpfo, leaa, nra, saf. Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 1:51 AM Kathleen, This was sent to me by Col. Jim Mutter retired and his wife Lt. Gen. Carol Mutter retired worthwhile information to pass on and follow. Semper Fidelis, Oliver I am creating this message for those people in my life who I love and care for, and I hope you all take it very seriously. Last night a friend of my sister attended a personal safety workshop, and it jolted me. It was given by an amazing man, Pat Malone, who has been a bodyguard for famous figures like Farrah Fawcett and Sylvester Stallone. He works for the FBI, and teaches police officers and Navy SEALS hand to hand combat. This man has seen it all, and knows a lot. He focused his teachings to us on HOW TO AVOID BEING THE VICTIM OF A VIOLENT CRIME. He gave us some statistics about how much the occurrences of random violence have escalated over the recent years, and it's terrible. Something like 99% of us will be exposed, a victim of a violent crime. Here are some of the most important points that she got out of his presentation: 1. The three reasons women are easy targets for random acts of violence are: a. Lack of awareness (you MUST know where you are & what's going on around you). b. Body language (keep your head up, swing your arms, stand straight up). c. Wrong place, wrong time (DON'T be walking alone in an alley, or driving in a bad neighborhood at night) 2. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating, working, etc, and just sit (doing their checkbook, or making a list, etc). DONT DO THIS ! The predator will be watching you, and this is the perfect opportunity for him to get in the passenger side, put a gun to your head, and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR, LOCK THE DOORS AND LEAVE. 3. A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking garage: a. Be aware: look around you, look into your car, at the passenger side floor, and in the back seat. Check under the car as well. b. If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger door. Most attackers pull the victims into their vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars. c. Look at the car parked on the drivers side of your vehicle, and the passenger side. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman to walk you back out. IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. 4. Always take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are horrible places to be alone.) a. Do not get on an elevator if there is a weirdo already on there (of course bad men don't always look bad). b. Do not stand back in the corners of the elevator, be near the front, by the doors, ready to get off or on. c. If you get on the elevator on the 25th floor, and the Boogie Man gets on at the 22nd, get off when he gets on. 5. If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS run ! a. POLICE only make 4 of 10 shots when they are in range of 3-9 feet. This is due to stress. b. The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times. And even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN ! 6. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP IT, it may get you raped, or killed. a. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good looking, well-educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked "for help" into his vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim. b. Pat Malone told us the story of his daughter, who came out of the mall and was walking to her car when she noticed 2 older ladies in front of her. Then she saw a police car come towards her with 2 cops, and they said hello. She also noticed that all 8 handicap spots in the area were empty. As she neared her car she saw a man a few rows over calling to her, for help. He wanted her to close his passenger side door. He was sitting in the drivers side, and said he was handicapped. He continued calling, until she turned and headed back to the mall, and then he began cursing at her. She wondered why he didn't ask the 2 older ladies, or the policeman for help, and why he was not parked in any of the empty handicap spots. As she got back to the mall, two male friends of hers were exiting, and as she told them the story, and turned to point at the car, a male was getting out of the back seat into the front, and the car sped away. DON'T GET CAUGHT IN THIS TRAP. 7. Tips to saving your life, if you have gotten into a violent situation: a. REACT IMMEDIATELY: If he abducts you in a parking lot, and is taking you to an abandoned area, DON'T LET HIM GET YOU TO THAT AREA. 1. If you are driving, react immediately in the situation, and crash your car while still going 5 MPH. 2. If he's driving, find the right time, and stick your fingers in his eyes. He must watch the road, so choose an unsuspecting time and gouge him. It is your ONLY defense. While he is in shock, GET OUT. This sounds gross, but the alternative is your fault if you do not act. b. RESIST: Don't go along with him: run, if you are able to scream, you DO NOT want to get to crime scene # 2. c. DON'T EVER GIVE UP ! 8. Always keep your distance when walking past strangers on the street or in dark areas. 9. GET A CELL PHONE. There are packages for $19.95 a month that allow you to program only 911 into the dialing out program (this is for parents who say it is too expensive for their kids to have a cell phone.) 10. BREAK DOWNS: (avoid this by ALWAYS keeping your car in good working order). a. If your car breaks down: you better have a cell phone to call for help,and lock your doors. b. Keep a blanket, and a pair of warm clothes and boots, and a flashlight in your car always for emergencies. c. If you don't have a cell phone: 1. And it's noon on a business day, you MAY want to put your hazards on and walk to safety. 2. And it's 2 a.m.: put on your warm clothes, and walk to a lighted area. a. You are a perfect target if you are sitting in your car broken down in. Predators search the highways for easy targets like you. 3. And you're on a desolate road: walk away from the car in your warm clothes and go to some bushes, or some area AWAY from your vehicle. It will be cold, and uncomfortable, but you DO NOT want to stay in your car, and there are no psychic boogiemen waiting in the bushes who knew you were going to break down. 11. Physical defenses that we can use against the violent predator: a. The eyes are the most vulnerable part of the body. Poke him there, and you have (possibly) your only window of opportunity. b. The neck is also a vulnerable spot, but you MUST know where to grip, AND HAVE THE STRENGTH to cut off his breath. c. The last place is the KNEES. Everyone's knees are very vulnerable, and a swift kick here will take anyone down. d. A cautionary note about these things is that if you do not do these things right the first time, you are a in trouble, because it will only anger the individual, and that anger will be TAKEN OUT ON YOU. I'm not saying don't attempt them (it may be your only hope), but be forceful when you do. 12. If you are walking alone in the dark (which you shouldn't be) and you find him following / chasing you: a. Scream "FIRE!", and not "help". People don't want to get involved when people yell "help", but "fire" draws attention because people are nosy. b. RUN ! c. Find an obstacle, such as a parked car, and run around it, like ring around the rosie. 1. This may sound silly, but over the years, 5 women have told Pat Malone that this SAVED THEIR LIVES. 2. Your last hope is getting under the car. Once you are under there, there are tons of things to hold on to, and he will not be able to get you out, and will not come under for you (most likely). Usually they give up by this point. The catch here is that YOU MUST PRACTICE GETTING UNDER THE CAR. You must have a plan (he will have one); know if you will be going on your back, front, from the side or back of the car. It must be practiced. 13. Never let yourself or anyone that you know be a "closer" in any type of business (bar, store, restaurant, gas station). Pat knew Danielle, who was the girl from Chesterland that just died from being shot point-blank by some kids while she was closing at the local gas station. He talked with her the night before she died, and asked whether it ever scared her to close alone. She said yes, but said "I'll be alright, Pat, I'll be alright." She wasn't. I didn't mean to scare you with any of this, but honestly, hope it did. It should. Our world is not as safe as we pretend that it is, and living in our fantasy worlds WILL get us in trouble, sooner or later. "It won't happen to me" doesn't cut it, and is a bogus expectation anyway. Pat Malone said again and again that the women who die EVERY MINUTE from violent crimes expected to go to bed tonight, and get up tomorrow, and do it all over again, and again, and again. No one expects it, but we must be prepared and aware so that we HAVE A PLAN. I would encourage you to pass this on to all women, not just your friends and family, but everybody. We all need to hear it -- **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only. [Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: PATRIOT: Movie Critics Swamp the Swamp Fox (fwd) Date: 29 Jun 2000 18:56:10 PST On Jun 29, Josephine Lindsay Bass wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] My gfs - McCANTS - STANDARD - HODGES - GOTEA fought with Marion along with most all of their brothers and cousins. there is some stuff in the movie that is derogatory to Gen Marion and not true. be sure and read this from the Claremont Institute. josie love, mama >From: precepts@claremont.org >To: jbass@digital.net >Subject: Claremont Institute Precepts: Movie Critics Swamp the Swamp Fox >Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:51:21 -0700 >X-Mailer: Allaire ColdFusion Application Server > > >The Claremont Institute--PRECEPTS| | June 28, 2000 >Visit | | No. 231 > >Movie Critics Swamp the Swamp Fox >By Thomas L. Krannawitter > >Mel Gibson's "The Patriot" opens in theaters across America >today. Gibson's character, Benjamin Martin, is modeled >partly on Francis Marion, the legendary "Swamp Fox" of >South Carolina. > >There are two things about Marion that offend the >sensibilities of modern audiences: The first is that he was >a slaveholder. The second is that he is now accused of >committing horrid atrocities against the Cherokee. > >The first charge, at least, is grounded in real history. >Like many others during the Founding period, Marion did own >slaves. More importantly however, is that also like these >other men, Marion risked life and limb to found the first >country in the history of the world on the principles of >equal natural rights, government by consent, and the rule >of law. Abraham Lincoln described this generation as "men >of iron." > >The charge of hunting down Indians for sport, now being >circulated in the British press, appears to be something >contrived. In a letter to a friend written during the >Cherokee wars, Marion noted that some of the soldiers >enjoyed the "cruel work" of burning down Cherokee >villages, "laughing heartily at the curling flames." But >Marion thought such behavior unnecessary and unjust, and >wrote that "we surely need not grudge [them] such miserable >habitations." And when it came to chopping down Cherokee >crops, Marion records that he "could scarcely refrain from >tears." > >Marion and his militia -- a ragtag band of white and black >soldiers known as "the Irregulars" -- kept the Revolution >alive in South Carolina in the face of the greatest army >then assembled on the earth. There exists a popular >anecdote of Marion which captures wonderfully how resolute >these great men were: Seeking an exchange of prisoners, a >British officer went to negotiate terms with Marion. The >British officer was surprised and somewhat taken aback by >the dreadful condition of Marion and his troops. They were >working without pay, clothed in rags, and living in the >middle of swampland. At the invitation of Marion, the >British officer stayed to dine with Marion and some of his >men. To the disgust and amazement of the officer, the menu >consisted of nothing but sweet potatoes and water! After >returning to his own troops and describing the awful >conditions he witnessed, the officer remarked that the >Americans were suffering all this misery for the cause of >liberty. "What chance have we against such men!" he >exclaimed to his British comrades. > >In earlier times, Americans revered the name of Marion. No >doubt this was partly due to the romantic legend created by >biographer Parson Weems in the early nineteenth century. >Like the cherry tree myth of Washington, Weems sought to >popularize the courage, honor, justice and patriotism of >this great soldier. And his fellow Americans thought the >name and memory of Marion worth preserving as well. It is >no coincidence that today one finds across the country >streets, parks, towns, and counties bearing the >name "Marion." > >Of course, the Americans who named these things were of a >different stock than those today who think multiculturalism >a virtue, and patriotism a vice. > >Like the great general of the American Revolution, George >Washington, Marion was successful not because he won every >battle, but because he did effectively the one thing the >Americans had to do to win the war: He kept an army >together and refused to quit. This spirit of perseverance >is one of the pillars upon which America was built. This >manliness -- a word little used today -- was the reason >patriotic Americans made flags that bore the legend, "Don't >Tread on Me." > >America's Founders believed freedom required limited >government. But limited government, and therefore freedom, >required many things from the people. It demanded sobriety, >industriousness, self-assertion, and self-restraint. It >required vigilance. As James Madison observed in Federalist >55, self-government "presupposes the existence of these >qualities in a higher degree than any other form." The >story of Francis Marion provides a vivid example of the >kind of virtues Americans must cultivate if we intend to >remain free. > >And speaking of cultivating virtue, we are happy to report >the Supreme Court today upheld the right of the Boy Scouts >to determine their own membership standards. For more >information about that case, go to >http://www.claremont.org/publications/bsavictorypr000628.cfm >or visit our home page at http://www.claremont.org. > >Thomas L. Krannawitter is the Claremont Institute's >Director of Academic Programs. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Copyright (c) 2000 The Claremont Institute > >To subscribe to Precepts, go to: http://www.claremont.org/1_precepts.cfm , >or e-mail us at info@claremont.org . >To be removed from this list, go to : >http://www.claremont.org/remove_public.cfm , or e-mail us at >info@claremont.org . >For general correspondence or additional information about the Claremont >Institute, e-mail : info@claremont.org , or visit our website at : >http://www.claremont.org . >Changing your e-mail address? Please let us know at : info@claremont.org . >For press inquiries, contact Nazalee Topalian at topalian@msn.com or (202) >265-9010 or Tim Caspar at tcaspar@claremont.org or (909) 621-6825. > >The mission of the Claremont Institute for the Study of Statesmanship >and Political Philosophy is to restore the principles of the American >Founding to their rightful, preeminent authority in our national life. > >The Claremont Institute | 250 West First Street | Suite 330 | Claremont, >CA 91711 | Phone (909) 621-6825 | Fax (909) 626-8724 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Waco Civil Trial, Gordon Novel Provides Updates 6/27/00 (fwd) Date: 30 Jun 2000 22:00:19 PST On Jun 30, saba22@webtv.net wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This information from Gordon Novel is worth reading; it relates the death of Colby, an old friend of Gordons, to Waco.....keep remembering a friend of Bud Fensterwald's, next door neighbor, CIA, who was also found in a river - Bud headed up the Committee to Investigate Assassinations, which triggered off Watergate. Jim Marrs in his book Cross Fire refers to the Executive Order which may have conributed to death of JFK and also to Paisley. Death by water....so this is interesting item and when you start counting body bags this can all be laid at the front door of the White House. Gordon Novel is an exper in many different areas, and one thing for sure, this man, does not lie. A Saba For your convenience have reproduced this but the item under subject matter has some interesting material for concerned conspiracy believers....for the truth, will make you sick. =20=20=20 CLICK HERE=A0Free Internet Access Forever | Business Help | Software | Computer Games | Work & Money | Health | Business Tools | Fitness | Business Research=20 Without Justice, there is JUST_US! =20 Waco Civil Trial, Gordon Novel Provides Updates 6/27/00=20 Friday, 30-Jun-2000 13:42:12=20 Waco Civil Trial, Gordon Novel Provides Updates 6/27/00=20 http://waco93.com/wwwboard/messages/684.html Source: Alex Jones A.M. Radio Show Published: 6/27/00 Author: Alex Jones and=20 Gordon Novel Accuracy in Media and Judicial Watch enter the Waco investigation.=20 Gordon Novel was interviewed on the Alex Jones Show today, 9.400/12.172=20 shortwave. See www.infowars.com for more Waco information.=20 Gordon Novel is the investigator working for Attorney Ramsey Clark.=20 He stated that the WACO advisory jury is now down to 5 members as a result of=20 several persons quitting and some being dismissed. There was reference that some may have been threatened. The "Chief=20 Branch Davidian Attorney", Michael Caddell, negotiated to obtain 40 hours to present the case and now he is "wasting"=20 much of the plaintiff's time. Joining the conversation in progress...... GN: So at that point Caddell was asked by Ramsey, who had refused to let him=20 have Shiela Martin, in effect he wanted to use our witnesses, and Ramsey denied him the right to Shiela, so the next day the=20 judge decides that he is going to limit the trial to 40 hours... There's a motion before the judge to extend the trial from=20 Ramsey..... AJ: So basically the Judge won't even let the real attorneys, former attorney=20 general Ramsey Clark...... GN: It's like Fort Hood; it's a total sham.... AJ: By Fort Hood, you mean the test they had a few weeks ago.... GN: I mean it is a sham operation that the Judge has taken out the gassing=20 ... It's not much different than Nazi Germany, the idea that it is a discretionary function of the gestapo to murder people by=20 gassing them. And you can't do anything for it because THEY ARE THE LAW. So what they are basically doing, if this goes down, it=20 will be a loud message to all the police departments in America that the murder of somebody they don't like is a=20 discretionary function. So there will be no protecting of the American public from the discretionary function of the federal=20 authorities and that will pass down to the states and the cities. And we will be clearly into a police state. AJ: Well, normally I am not a big fan of Lee Hancock. I know you appreciate=20 her because she has done better than most so-called mainstream newspaper writers. But I have to admit that one of the=20 articles she wrote today is pretty hardcore. Have you read it? GN: No, I haven't. AJ: Well, I think the media and a lot of people that aren't on the inside but=20 are willing accomplices, I think they are starting to see how corrupt this is. Do you agree Gordon?=20 GN: Yea, the media definitely seems to be understanding the level of=20 corruption, the collusion between Caddell and Bradford and the judge, or conspiracy, if you want to call it that. Because it is=20 obviously an orchestrated situation.=20 AJ: Yes, and Bradford is the U.S. attorney.=20 GN: But I would absolutely believe..... Ah, a friend of mine told me that up=20 in Washington, a couple of the patriot types were working within one of the intelligence agencies and had been wiretapping=20 covertly from their computers most of the major players and had collected thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of hours=20 of these guys talking on the phone and said he was going to release them right after the trial. So, I don't know whether to take=20 that with a grain of salt, or the way I heard it, it sounded somewhat credible. But he said they are in a lock-in conspiracy=20 between the judge and Reno and Danforth and Burton and Caddell.... This is a bipartisan cover-up. This is definitely not=20 a political issue. I mean, the fact that the=20 Rangers are not doing anything about anything. They've got a responsibility.... We've got=20 a witness, the former chief chemist for 25 years of Dow Chemical Co. wants to testify that the methylene chloride levels that=20 were pumped into place killed the people .... both gassing them and making it impossible for them to leave, particularly the=20 vault and that it contributed heavily to the fire. I will say that Caddell's fire (expert) fellow yesterday, was very good in that he said=20 the fire causes were undeterminable. However, Caddell, in his opening remarks said that he believed that the Davidians had=20 set one fire and that the government had set two. He is supposedly going to do his summation by actually accusing the=20 Clark-camp Davidians of setting the fire. So that's the kind of situation.... All of our witnesses are being barred. The judge will only give us 8=20 hours..maybe he hasn't given us any, I don't know, as of this afternoon, if we are even going to get 8 hours of testimony in.=20 We've spent about three and a half million dollars and Caddell claims one=20 million and we get to put on 8 hours of the case. I mean it's ridiculous, the evidence is well over a million pages of documents.=20 And we are just looking, Alex, we have 50,000 photographs that were given last week, right before the trial by Caddell, who=20 had had them allegedly since early May and it's impossible to look at 50,000 pictures because end to end, they would be ten=20 miles long.=20 AJ: Certainly, you remember a year ago, Smith started stalling for the FBI,=20 the release of all these documents, and what, you got them a week before the trial Gordon?=20 GN: Yea, Ramsey Clark was given nothing. The Judge is making it very clear=20 that he is the new Roy Bean north of the Pecos and we are going to have a historic civil trial that is basically totally=20 rigged. It appears to be completely rigged from my experience in foreign countries. I've know of a much better show trial that=20 was done in the Soviet Union. And they do much better show trails than this and this is a joke. This is an absolute total=20 failure.=20 AJ: Well, we know that and you are the person who broke the story, from your=20 research, that Michael Caddell, and it's now been reported in the major papers, has given over $700,000 to Bill Clinton's=20 re-election bids and, we can tie Caddell, the so-called lead Branch Davidian attorney in all the press reports, and he's=20 not even the Davidians' lawyer, appointed by the Judge as lead counsel, that he is going to get more federal prison contracts=20 with his $500 million dollar construction company.=20 GN: That's right BREAK AJ: All right America, we are back live right here on Genesis and we are=20 talking to Gordon Novel, the chief investigator for the Davidians and Ramsey Clark, former attorney general, and Mr. Brannon. And=20 they are the real team in there trying to win this civil suit against the feds. They have poured million o ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The Patriot, not just about the American Revolution] (fwd) Date: 30 Jun 2000 21:57:36 PST On Jun 30, Odell Harwell wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Freedom: "The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance, which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime----and the punishment of his guilt." John Philpot Curran (1750-1817) --------- Forwarded message ---------- The Patriot_ not just about the American Revolution http://www.spe.sony.com/movies/thepatriot/ Review by Jon Roland The movie "The Patriot" starring Mel Gibson, which opened across the United States on June 28, 2000, is the story of an epic struggle between good and evil, but although the producers did well at re-enacting the setting of the American War for Independence, it is really an allegory of our own times, with some pointed references to recent events. Benjamin Martin, played by Mel Gibson, is a composite of various Patriots: Colonel Daniel Morgan, who fought the brutal Colonel Banastre Tarleton and Lord General Charles Cornwallis at the Battle of Cowpens; Francis Marion, the "Swamp Fox," a guerrilla fighter from South Carolina's wetlands; Elijah Clark; Thomas Sumter; and Andrew Pickens, all renowned freedom fighters. The character most resembles Francis Marion, who was commissioned a Captain in the Revolutionary Army and was later promoted to Major, Lieutenant Colonel and finally Brigadier General. His early military experience was fighting against the Cherokee Indians. His heroism and military skills consisted mainly of commanding militia units in guerrilla tactics, taking advantage of forests and swamps for cover and evasion. He is credited with a daring rescue of American troops surrounded by British forces at Parkers Ferry, South Carolina. After the war, Marion served three terms as a member of the South Carolina Senate. The central character of this epic is not just Benjamin Martin, but the Militia. The moral struggle of Martin is the struggle of the Militia, at first conscious of its domestic duties, and reluctant to risk those under its protection with a forceful response to tyranny, but compelled to resort to force when it is unable to protect them in any other way. This is a familiar theme in drama. It is the struggle of the Pacifist Bride who finally resorts to violence to protect her Lone Lawman husband in "High Noon". The moral is clear. A righteous person avoids violence, even at the cost of his personal dignity and pride, but sometimes Evil leaves him no choice but to use violence to defend the innocent, especially those he loves. He agonizes over the harm he has done in the past, and that he doing, and must do, but love is stronger, and while it may begin with those of his own family, he cannot avoid the duty that comes with love of the innocent everywhere. It is about the way a man discovers the patriot in himself. The ways in which this movie is relevant today is revealed by the ways it departs from Revolutionary War history. The story of Francis Marion would have made a good movie if told straight, but this movie has some points to make that justify the historical departures, and it is interesting how some critics have fastened on those departures to attack the movie, while conveniently avoiding their deeper meaning. Much has been made of Martin handing muskets to two of his young sons and leading them on a merciless slaughter of the British soldiers taking his oldest son to be hung, on orders of the evil Col. Tavington, played by Jason Isaacs, or of the emerging camaraderie between a racist white militiaman and a black slave who originally joined to win his freedom and stayed on to finish the war. The first is decried as appalling, and the second as improbable. But in fact boys that young, and some women, did fight in the Revolution, as did some blacks, and fighting together does produce bonding that breaks down barriers. Some would have their readers believe that all white southerners were racist slaveholders, but in fact only wealthy planters could afford slaves, and among them, slavery was often regarded as wrong, especially among the better educated and more religious. There were free slaves in every state, and many of them worked on plantations for wages. A more significant departure is in the scene in which Col. Tavington orders the townspeople, who have supported the revolution, into their church, then has them locked in and the church burned with all the people inside, including women and children. That would have been considered an unthinkable atrocity at the time. The historical Colonel Tarleton was brutal, but not that brutal. But it does not represent a Revolutionary War event. It represents the Davidian church in 1993. And Col. Tavington represents the modern paramilitary federal agency, as revealed in the meeting between Col. Tavington and Lord Gen. Cornwallis, in which Cornwallis berates Tavington for his brutal methods, but accedes to Tavington's proposal to operate "outside the chain of command", and offers him land in Ohio if he can pull it off. This kind of conspiracy to afford deniability to political leaders while conducting atrocities is something that could occur in any time, but didn't happen during the American Revolution. It is happening in our own time. The movie brings out other things about the militia. It shows them being called up, not as an act of an official, but by private persons aware of a common threat. It shows how they might initially be less effective in a stand-up battle requiring extensive military training and discipline, buthow they become more effective with experience, until they can defeat the most powerful army, largely because they are better at personal combat, making up in personal skills what they lack in unit cohesion. It should be noted that, for all its unit discipline, it was individual combat ability that did most to enable the Roman militia to conquer the Mediterranean world. Gibson turns in his usual wonderful performance, comparable to that of his performances in the equally pointed movies, "Conspiracy Theory" and "Braveheart". But the outstanding performance in this movie is by a newcomer, not just to acting, but to life -- the little girl who plays Martin's youngest daughter, Susan. Getting a child so young to act so well is amazing, and I predict more outstanding performances from that young lady. Mel Gibson, Roland Emmerich, and the others behind this excellent movie should be commended for giving up a deeper appreciation of the concept of the militia, and how all of us have a militia duty to defend one another. It has done a great deal to revive the militia spirit to defend our Constitution, for which so many noble patriots died. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - f dollars into it.=20 They ought to be commended but they are running head-on into a brick wall, called Judge Walter Smith, called Janet Reno and the=20 Justice Dept., the FBI, the former Senator John Danforth, the cover-up artist, and Michael Caddell. If you read the press=20 reports, you are going to read that Michael Caddell is the Davidians' attorney. Now the media knows that that's not true. We've put=20 them on the hot seat about it several times, that Caddell represents some of the Davidians' surviving family members and was=20 chosen out of a pool of hundreds of lawyers when this case first starting developing 4 or 5 years ago.=20 Gordon, there's so much to talk about. You talk about the documents... Are=20 you guys going to be able to bring into evidence this new Infrapection document? Tell people a little bit about that. GN: We filed that yesterday. Infraspection, as you correctly interpreted, was=20 contacted by CBS 60 Minutes in 1996. After I took the tape to CBS 60 Minutes, to Mike Wallace, following discoveries by=20 myself and my brother, George Micha (sp) and his son and another friend of ours. We sent it over to Bill Colby, the former=20 director of CIA, to have it checked out and corroborated. Then we got it and we sent it to Mike Wallace. AJ: Then Colby was killed. GN: Yea, then it went to Infraspection but they didn't want to talk about it=20 because they were scared. We were told very clearly by Mike Wallace's adoped son, that Mike said it was the first time he=20 had ever seen the kind of pressure that went well beyond the Brown & Williamson tobacco story.. They had to kill the tape. Four years, in January, they came back and said=20 something very positive that it was confirmed.=20 But that's after they were embarrassed in Mike McNulty's "Rules of Engagement." AJ: Because that was aired on HBO dozens of times. GN: Yea, so where we are right now, Infraspection has been retained by a news=20 watchdog group called Accuracy in Media, in Washington, and Judicial Watch, and they are proposing, we understand, to do=20 a full-blown open scientific test in the not too-distant future..... AJ: And that was your idea. We broke that here on the air about two months=20 ago to do a reenactment - a real reenactment GN: Well, it's going to have to be done at Mr. Carmel and we have to have=20 enough time to get the weather right in order to be able to do it, because the weather is a major issue. It can easily be done=20 and it may be done immediately following the trial because we may have a very unique situation.=20 The jury may be asked not to=20 render its verdict until the Judge renders his verdict on the FLIR tape, because he severed it, saying the issue is too complex for=20 a jury to determine because.... Ah, what he really wants to do is make the argument that because of all the government's attempt=20 to make it appear that the tape exonerates them and that these are just glints off the ground from glass laying on the=20 ground.... The only problem they've got, one of the big problems, is that there are no reflections or solar specular reflections=20 prior to about 10:42 in the morning. So there's four and one-half hours where there are no lights shown.... AJ: Number one, we all know that FLIR is forward looking infrared radar and=20 it doesn't pick up flashes just from light, it picks up heat signatures. We've got men coming out of tanks firing automatic=20 weapons. Infraspection, back in '95 or 96, did the tests for 60 Minutes. They looked at it and said it shows tanks running over=20 people, it shows weapons being fired, but because of the political nature, we don't want to be involved in this. Now they are=20 coming out and saying that the Feds and the Ft. Hood test are a fraud. Why the change Gordon? GN: Well the change is because they have the support of Judicial Watch and=20 Accuracy in Media and they have a number of other reports that back them up. And the current Director of the Infraspecion=20 Institute has a little more testicular fortitude. AJ: Gordon, God bless you. I need to get you back on tomorrow with=20 updates..... 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