From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ Date: 01 Nov 2000 00:59:57 PST This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: larry ball Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: QRN: Sidewinder! Chretien linked to Chinese agents] Date: 01 Nov 2000 07:30:27 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------449F43EAC06AEA0AFCBBB271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------449F43EAC06AEA0AFCBBB271 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: by pigeon (mbox lball) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.22 1998/04/11) Wed Nov 1 07:23:54 2000) X-From_: list-errors.700004454.0.702106604.004@boing.topica.com Tue Oct 31 22:52:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from outmta010.topica.com (outmta010.topica.com [206.132.75.222]) by pigeon.inebraska.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24350 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:52:20 -0600 (CST) "atlasfedup@topica.com" Message-ID: <0.700004454.1568895139-212058698-973054311@topica.com> Reply-To: atlasfedup@topica.com X-Topica-Loop: 700004454 Received: (qmail 15613 invoked by alias); 1 Nov 2000 04:51:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 15601 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2000 04:51:47 -0000 Received: from relais.videotron.ca (HELO VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca) (mail@24.201.245.36) by inmta002.topica.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2000 04:51:47 -0000 Received: from terra ([24.200.129.208]) by VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G3BXIA00.4WY; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:51:46 -0500 X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by pigeon.inebraska.com id HAA26081 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DBEGIN FORWARDED MES= SAGE=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:07:54 -0700 >From: Michael Miller >To: Quackgrass Roots Network >Subject: QRN: Sidewinder! Chretien linked to Chinese agents Here's a 'spook' story just in time for Halloween! The Report (formerly Alberta Report) newsmagazine says that Sidewinder, a joint RCMP-CSIS operation, revealed links between PM Chretien's family and Chinese agents. Sidewinder's secret interim report, "Chinese Intelligence Services and Triads Financial Links in Canada," was issued in 1997. This report was suppressed, and all copies were ordered destroyed, as were all background materials. Alas for the Liberals, some copies of Sidewinder's report survived and have reached press organizations, including The Report. -- http://www.report.ca/missed/p15i001106f.html Li Ka-Shing, a Chinese tycoon, is a central figure in this story. Mr. Li is a director of the Beijing-controlled China International Trust Investment Company (CITIC), which has "developed...close business links with Power Corporation." Andr=E9 Desmarais, Prime Minister Chretien's son-in-law, is president and co-chief executive officer of Power Corporation. Li Ka-Shing's son Richard bought 50.1% of Gordon Capital in 1985, where Jean Chretien was a senior adviser from 1986 to 1990. (Compare the dates.) So, who is Li Ka-Shing? Here's a report from the New Australian which fills in some of the blanks. "Li Ka-Shing, the PLA's front man, eyes Australia," by Peter Zhang "[N]ot every Chinese civilian company is an instrument of the Ministry of State Security or the PLA. But Li is." -- http://www.newaus.com.au/aatempli.html As far as I know, no major media have yet picked up the Sidewinder story. They've all been too busy wondering why PM Chretien was in such a rush to call an election, and so they should. 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On March 14, 2000 Mexican=0D military personnel crossed the border and shot at U.S. Border P= atrol agents near Santa=0D Teresa, New Mexico. On October 24, 2000, ten= =0D Mexican military men armed with high-powered rifles with fixed = bayonets crossed the border=0D and attacked U.S. Border Patrol Agents in Copper Canyon, ab= out eight miles East of the=0D Otay Mesa Port of Entry. These acts are acts of war!!!=0D

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Our rul= ing political class is=0D allowing the Mexican military to attack our citizens and law enforc= ement agents with=0D complete immunity. If a group of U.S. citizens attacked federal law= officers with=0D high-powered military weapons, the ruling political class would sto= p at nothing to catch=0D them and make an example of them. Yet, they allow the Mexican gover= nment to violate our=0D border, and shoot at our citizens, and law officers, without any co= unter strike at all.

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The U.S= =2E is being invaded by a=0D foreign nation, but we sit idle, and refuse to respond. Our politic= al class sends our=0D military around the world to intrude in the internal politics of ot= her nations, and to=0D protect the borders of other countries, but will not use our milita= ry to protect our own=0D borders from an invasion.=

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Neither= the Republicans, nor the=0D Democrats are speaking out against this violence, or against these = military attacks. Our=0D government leaders are hiding their heads in the sand and ignoring = the problem. Bill=0D Clinton isn't doing anything to protect the nation, and Congress is= silent on the subject.

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It's ti= me for the citizens to demand=0D some action. It's time to ask our Senators and Representatives why = nothing is being done=0D about this invasion. It's time to ask George Bush and Al Gore what = they plan to do about=0D it if they are elected. <= /p>=0D

The onl= y way we are going to put a=0D stop to this is to demand our government take action. The citizens = need to express their=0D outrage and hold the political class accountable. Our military is r= eady to put a stop to=0D this. It is the political class that lacks the will to act.<= font COLOR=3D"#000000" size=3D"3">

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If the = Mexican military wants a=0D fight, let's give them one they won't forget. No previous generatio= n of Americans would=0D have stood by and allowed a foreign military to enter the U.S. and = shoot at our citizens=0D and law officers. The guys who won WWII would have never stood for = this. Can our=0D generation sit back and ignore this aggression?

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Therefore, Republicans are requested to vote on Tuesday, November 7, and Democrats on Wednesday, November 8. Please pass this message along, and help us to make sure that nobody gets left out. Thank you. --------------66C36C883DBB6DB5D2618930-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven A. Silver" Subject: How to be a good Democrat (rebuttal to Ann Richards) Date: 02 Nov 2000 10:09:51 -0800 Here's the other side's response: HOW TO BE A GOOD DEMOCRAT By Steve Silver 1. You have to believe the nation's economic prosperity was due to the work of Clinton and not the Republican Congress (which actually wrote the budgets), and that the preceding 40 years of Democratic tax-and-spend policies had nothing to do with running up a $6 trillion national debt. 2. You have to believe that when you die, the government has not only the right, but the obligation, to take everything you worked hard for and give it to someone other than your kids. 3. You have to be in favor of all government programs, but still pay lip service to supporting =93individual rights.=94 4. You have to believe that practicing high-risk sexual behavior has nothing to do with transmitting AIDS or other STDs. 5. You also have to believe the government has the right and obligation to regulate what people smoke and eat, but that insurance companies should not be able to raise the premiums of people who engage in high-risk sexual practices. 6. You also have to believe that people who smoke tobacco or eat red meat should suffer the consequences of their actions, but people who engage in wanton or high-risk sex should not. 7. You have to believe that the mere presence of a gun makes an otherwise good person become a vicious murderer. 8. You also have to believe that disarming the victims will somehow reduce violent crime. 9. You have to believe...everything Clinton, Gore, Jesse Jackson and Ted Kennedy say. 10. You have to believe there is no cost to our country or its economy in allowing illegal immigration to continue unchecked. 11. You have to believe it is okay to kill an innocent unborn baby, even in the last trimester via a =93partial birth abortion,=94 but oppose the death penalty for convicted murderers. 12. You have to believe it is not okay to deny a job to a person because of his race if he is black or Hispanic, but it is okay to deny him a job because of his race if he is white. 13. You also have to be willing to ignore the fact that 40 years of affirmative action have done nothing other than lower expectations of minority members...and make Jesse Jackson wealthy. 14. You have to believe it is okay for the government to tell you how to use your own property just because an =93endangered=94 rat or fly was found living on it. 15. You have to oppose prayer in school, then wonder why kids are growing up without any moral compass these days. 16. You also have to oppose voluntary, student-led prayer at school, and still claim to support the First Amendment. 17. You have to believe President Clinton=92s bald-face lies to the American people (=93I did not have sex with that woman...Miss Lewinsky=94), his li= es while under oath, his extra-marital affairs, his sexual harassment of female subordinates (as president and governor of Arkansas), his betrayal of his vows to his wife and daughter, his acceptance of thinly disguised bribes from the Chinese government do not, in any way, affect his credibility when speaking to the American people about living moral lives. 18. You also have to believe that even with his long history of sexually harassing younger, vulnerable female subordinates, he is still =93good on women=92s issues.=94 19. You have to believe Hispanic kids should be taught in Spanish, then wonder why they don=92t do as well in life as Hispanic kids who learn English. 20. You have to oppose teaching abstinence at schools and believe that giving out condoms is okay, but then wonder why there is an astronomically high teen pregnancy rate. 19. You have to believe government bureaucrats in Washington D.C. are somehow better at running your business and life than you are. 20. You must also believe the government should regulate and control private business, even though the Army spent $784 for an $8 wrench. 21. You believe in God and the Bible, you just want to edit out the parts which require you to live a clean, moral life and remain faithful to your spouse. 22. You have to believe that the government=92s incineration of 20 kids and 60 of their parents at Waco was a legitimate use of its police power. 23. You also have to believe the police should be enforcing "no smoking" laws, and that vicious killers should get parole after six years. 24. You have to oppose vouchers because you think the public schools are doing a great job. 25. You have to believe that lowering standards so as to allow a poor, minority student with a disciplinary history and failing grades to get into an elite private school will somehow help that student or make him a better doctor. > > HOW TO BE A GOOD REPUBLICAN > > By Ann Richards (immediate past Governor of Texas) > > > > 1 You have to believe that the nation's current 8-year prosperity was > > due to the work of Ronald Regan and George Bush, but yesterday's gasoline > > prices are all Clinton's fault. > > > > 2 You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success > > all on their own. > > > > 3 You have to be against all government programs, but expect Social > > Security checks on time. > > > > 4 You have to believe that AIDS victims deserve their disease, but > > smokers with lung cancer and overweight individuals with heart disease > > don't deserve theirs. > > > > 5 You have to appreciate the power rush that comes with sporting a gun. > > > > 6 You have to believe...everything Rush Limbaugh says. > > > > 7 You have to believe that the agricultural, restaurant, housing and > > hotel industries can survive without immigrant labor. > > > > 8 You have to believe God hates homosexuality, but loves the death > > penalty. > > > > 9 You have to believe society is colorblind and growing up black in > > America doesn't diminish your opportunities, but you still won't vote for > > Alan Keyes. > > > > 10 You have to believe that pollution is OK as long as it makes a > > profit. > > > > 11 You have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray > > to Allah or Buddha. > > > > 12 You have to believe Newt Gingrich and Henry Hyde were really faithful > > husbands. > > > > 13 You have to believe speaking a few Spanish phrases makes you > > instantly popular in the barrio. > > > > 14 You have to believe that only your own teenagers are still virgins. > > > > 15 You have to be against government interference in business, until > > your oil company, corporations or Savings and Loan is about to go broke > > and you beg for a government bail out. > > > > 16 You love Jesus and Jesus loves you and, by the way, Jesus shares your > > hatred for AIDS victims, homosexuals, and President Clinton. > > > > 17 You have to believe government has nothing to do with providing > > police protection, national defense, and building roads. > > > > 18 You have to believe a poor, minority student with a disciplinary > > history and failing grades will be admitted into an elite private school > > with a $1,000 voucher. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Gettysburg Address 2000 (fwd) Date: 02 Nov 2000 23:16:20 PST On Nov 2, charmuth@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Chuck Muth's "Gettysburg Address 2000" (With all due respect and apologies to Honest Abe) November 2, 2000 Four score and seven years ago (that would be 1913 for those of you who went to public school) our forefathers' misguided descendants brought forth on this continent via the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, a new income tax system, conceived in stupidity, and dedicated to the proposition that all men and women are created equal when it comes to getting screwed by the federal government and the IRS ... except for the "richest 1 percent," of course. Now we are engaged in a great war, testing whether that tax system, or any tax system so complicated and so burdensome, can long endure. We meet this election on a great battlefield of that war - the ballot box. We dedicate a portion of this election to those candidates who risked their political careers that tax relief and tax reform might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But in a larger sense, we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow - this election. The brave men and women, living and dead, who struggled for an end to the marriage penalty and the death tax - who have fought for a flat tax or national sales tax - have consecrated it far above our poor power to itemize deductions or claim the Investment Tax Credit. The world will little note, nor long remember what Al Gore has said about targeted tax relief for the "right people," but it will never forget that he was the tie-breaking vote for the largest tax increase in the history of the world. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work of across-the-board tax cuts and tax simplification which they who fought in the halls of Congress have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from all those vetoed tax cuts by Bill Clinton we take increased devotion to that cause for which many Republicans gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead tax cut bills shall not have died in vain - that this nation, under God (uh-oh, here comes the ACLU!) and a newly-elected President George W. Bush, shall have a new birth of freedom - and that this income tax system of the bureaucrat, by the bureaucrat, for the bureaucrat, shall perish from the earth, with a stake driven through its heart so that it shall never rise to prey upon and terrorize the American taxpayer again (with all due credit to Steve Forbes). Chuck Muth Editor GOP News & Views (I dedicate this to my brother Greg, a real Civil War enthusiast who turned thirty-freakin'-eight today. Happy Birthday, bro. This Boh's for you.) [ Abraham Lincoln's original Gettysburg Address was delivered on November 19, 1863 ] **************************** Published by: C-Four Communications Chuck Muth, Editor 3549 N. University, Suite 300 Provo, UT 84604 Phone: (702) 454-0350 Fax: (702) 454-7798 E-mail: charmuth@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: A little humor (fwd) Date: 02 Nov 2000 23:13:37 PST On Nov 2, Rich Martin wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Bill Selmeier UWSA.COM Administrator wrote: > > Two opposing county chairman were sharing a rare moment > together. The Democratic chairman said, "I never pass up a > chance to promote the party. For example, whenever I take a > cab, I give the driver a sizable tip and say, 'Vote > Democratic.' " > His opponent said, "I have a better scheme, and it > doesn't cost me a nickel. I don't give any tip at all. And > when I leave, I also say, 'Vote Democratic.' " [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Vaccinations (fwd) Date: 02 Nov 2000 23:14:50 PST On Nov 02, margi crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Thanks to Hollia for sending me this article. Margi Article: Doctor's Group Opposes Vaccine Mandates http://www.healthmall.com/newsletter.cfm A leading national physician organization is calling for a moratorium on all government mandated vaccines and has passed a resolution to that end at their annual meeting. Members of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) voted this week at their 57th Annual Meeting in St. Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single "no" vote. (Resolution and mandatory vaccine fact sheet posted at www.aapsonline.org) "Our children face the possibility of death or serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that arenīt necessary or that have very limited benefits," said Jane M. Orient, MD, AAPS Executive Director. "This is not a vote against vaccines," said Dr. Orient. "This resolution only attempts to halt blanket vaccine mandates by government agencies and school districts that give no consideration for the rights of the parents or the individual medical condition of the child." Forty-two states have mandatory vaccine policies, and many children are required to have 22 shots before first grade. On top of that, as a condition for school attendance, many school districts require vaccination for diseases such as hepatitis B -- primarily an adult disease, usually spread by multiple sex partners, drug abuse or an occupation with exposure to blood. And yet, children under the age of 14 are three times more likely to suffer adverse effects -- including death -- following the hepatitis b vaccine than to catch the disease itself. Just last week, students in Utica, NY were sent home from school, and told they could not return until they had been forced to receive hep B vaccinations. Further, parents were threatened by Child Protective Services with possible seizure of their children based on "education neglect." "Itīs obscene to threaten to seize a child just because his parents refuse medical treatment that is obviously unnecessary and perhaps even dangerous," said Dr. Orient. "AAPS believes that parents, with the advice of their doctors, should make decisions about their childrenīs medical care -- not government bureaucrats [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: International computer-crime treaty threatens computer privacy (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 2000 09:34:28 PST On Nov 4, Privacy News Update wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] =============================================================== Privacy News Update: International computer-crime treaty represents an "all-out attack on computer privacy" and should be rejected by the Senate =============================================================== The so-called "Draft Convention On Cybercrime" -- the first international computer crime agreement -- is currently being negotiated by the United States and the 41-nation Council of Europe. According to Wired.com, the treaty, which went through 19 drafts before the Justice Department revealed its existence earlier this year, could be finalized as soon as December. This treaty is an "all-out attack on computer privacy" and we'll begin lobbying the Senate to reject the treaty shortly after the election. In the meantime, we've attached a press release about the treaty to provide some background. Thanks again for everything you've done to defend the privacy of all Americans. Your efforts are greatly appreciated, and are making a difference. Steve Dasbach National Director Libertarian Party =============================== NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org =============================== For release: November 3, 2000 =============================== For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: pressreleases@hq.LP.org =============================== New international cybersnooping treaty is all-out attack on privacy, says Browne WASHINGTON, DC -- A new international computer-crime treaty the U.S. government expects to sign this year is an "all-out attack on computer privacy" and should be rejected, Libertarian presidential candidate Harry Browne said today. "This treaty doesn't attack crime," he said. "Instead, it attacks privacy, the Fifth Amendment, and certain kinds of software -- while giving the government awesome new powers to cybersnoop on innocent Americans." The so-called "Draft Convention On Cybercrime" -- the first international computer crime agreement -- is currently being negotiated by the United States and the 41-nation Council of Europe. The treaty, which went through 19 drafts before the Justice Department revealed its existence earlier this year, could be finalized as soon as December, reported Wired.com. However, the U.S. Senate, which must approve all international treaties, should reject it outright, said Browne. "This treaty is just the latest example of politicians trying to prove they are tough on crime," he said. "As usual, they want to give bureaucrats and law enforcement new powers to appear to be fighting crime. And, as usual, it is innocent Americans who will bear the brunt of these new police powers." For example, the treaty would: * Give law enforcement the power to order Americans to reveal a computer password or encryption key -- in apparent violation of the Fifth Amendment's protection against self- incrimination. * Require Internet service providers (ISPs) to conduct real-time surveillance of customers' e-mail messages, at government request. In July, the FBI admitted it had already created a cybersnooping device code-named "Carnivore" that could scan millions of e-mails a second. * Effectively abolish anonymous e-mail by requiring "remailer" websites (which automatically distribute messages after stripping out the sender's name and return address) to collect information about their users. * Require ISPs to store at least 40 days worth of customer data, including e-mails, chat-room transcripts, and website visits, for possible review by the government. * Make illegal certain kinds of common software -- including network security utilities used by computer technicians -- on the grounds that it could be criminally misused by hackers. Although some of those provisions may be dropped in negotiations, Justice Department officials have privately said it is too late to make "major" changes to the treaty, according to the Wall Street Journal. That's why the U.S. Senate should reject the entire document, said Browne. "This treaty was negotiated in secret, with the approval of the same politicians who supported the Communications Decency Act, Know Your Customer, anti-encryption laws, the FBI's Carnivore system, the Clipper Chip, and innumerable other attacks on your privacy," he said. "And this treaty may be even worse than those previous anti-privacy initiatives because it globalizes the government's power to spy on you. "If the U.S. Senate cares about privacy, the civil liberties guaranteed in the Bill of Rights, and the Constitutional limitations on government, it will unanimously reject this Draft Convention On Cybercrime." But for individual Americans concerned about privacy, the problem is bigger than this one treaty, said Browne. "Unfortunately, stopping this treaty won't stop the relentless attacks on your civil liberties, because the same Republican and Democratic politicians will remain in power," he said. "Neither of those parties is dedicated to preserving an airtight individual right to privacy. Only the Libertarian Party is." That's why your vote on November 7 may be the most powerful pro-privacy statement you can make, said Browne. "Libertarians understand that we can't stop government snooping by fighting every new intrusion on your privacy," he said. "Our opponents will win too many of those battles, and government will get more and more intrusive. "Instead, we must fight to take completely away from government the power to enter any area of your life for which it has no explicit Constitutional authority. And the only way to accomplish that is by voting Libertarian." =============================================================== DefendYourPrivacy.com http://www.lp.org =============================================================== [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Overwhelmingly Republican military not getting to vote (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 2000 12:57:16 PST On Nov 4, shezza@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Well of COURSE the White House denies it. What else would they do? *S* --- - Military missing absentee ballots=20 Some Army, Navy personnel unable to vote for new commander in chief=20 --- -- By Jon E. Dougherty =A9 2000 WorldNetDaily.com=20 Members of the military who are currently stationed overseas have complaine= d=20 that the Pentagon has not yet sent out absentee ballots this year, meaning= =20 they will not get to vote for a new commander in chief on Tuesday.=20 Specifically, members of U.S. Navy units who are stationed overseas and=20 aboard the USS Cole -- the destroyer recently attacked by terrorists while = it=20 was undergoing refueling in the port of Aden, Yemen -- have either not=20 received ballots or won't get them in time because of current deployment=20 circumstances, Pentagon officials said yesterday.=20 "I've heard about this within the past week," said Lt. Dave Guy, a spokesma= n=20 for the Army. "We are trying to get more information. We don't know if they= =20 were delayed through the mail."=20 He added that due to current deployment considerations, some military membe= rs=20 overseas likely would not get their ballots in time.=20 "The support team for the USS Cole may not get their ballots due to=20 intermittent mail," Guy said. "Some ballots could very well be delayed for = a=20 number of reasons."=20 A Maine resident -- who asked not to be identified -- said her Navy daughte= r=20 who is stationed in Tokyo has received her absentee ballot for every electi= on=20 except this one.=20 "No one at the base will be voting because all the absentee ballots are=20 missing," she told WorldNetDaily.=20 Navy officials were also contacted but did not return phone calls.=20 Critics have suggested that the Clinton administration may have purposely=20 delayed sending absentee ballots to military personnel overseas because mos= t,=20 according to recent surveys, will vote Republican. The White House has deni= ed=20 those charges.=20 According to Guy, officials with the Federal Voting Assistance Program --=20 which helps manage balloting for overseas service members -- "was not aware= =20 of any group non-delivery."=20 Guy said depending on the home state of the member, ballots can be sent via= =20 Standard Form 136, which is a write-in ballot. States have different=20 deadlines for such ballots, he added.=20 Each ballot "is unit specific and handled individually," he said.=20 Guy noted that "the military has a much higher participation [of overall=20 voters] in the voting process" than does the general voting public. In the= =20 1996 election, he said 64 percent of service members participated; 40 perce= nt=20 of those were absentee ballots. Twelve percent could not vote for various=20 reasons, including because ballots were either sent late or otherwise not=20 received on time.=20 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Michael New Update (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 2000 12:56:13 PST On Nov 4, Steve Moser wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 12:17 AM MICHAEL NEW UPDATE November/December 2000 CAAF - We enter now the nine month anniversary since the Court of Appeals of the Armed Forces heard oral arguments on the appeal of Spc. Michael New (February 4). The court is not pondering weighty matters. They are looking at one issue only, and it is a ACTION: Please sit down and take a few minutes and write a polite letter to Representative Floyd Spence, who is the Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. Tell Mr. Spence that you understand that CAAF is a court created only a few years ago by Co Hon. Floyd Spence House Armed Services Committee Room 2120 RHOB Washington, DC 20215 Long awaited - now you can get your city or county declared a UN-free Zone by passing a city or county ordinance to that effect. And the wording has been finalized by Constitutional scholar and attorney Dr. Herb Titus. You can get a copy of the Model UN-f a.. No official flag or seal of the United Nations may be displayed on city or county property; b.. No UN personnel may conduct any kind of activity, including peacekeeping or the quartering of troops in your city or county; c.. No person residing in the city or county may be taxed, levied, or assessed any penalty by the UN; d.. No person residing in the city or county may be arrested or tried in any court claiming to be superior to the United States Supreme Court; e.. The city or county may not contract with the United Nations or any other international body for any purpose whatsoever; (and much, much more). Aside from amusement, you may think that this ordinance is unenforceable. To the contrary, it is built upon the precedent of the Nuclear-Free Zones of Berkeley, California, which passed many court tests over two decades. And in the end, even if one or mor Download it from our website now at: http://www.mikenew.com/unfreezone.html Or request it from us at: Michael New Action Fund P.O. Box 100 Iredell, Texas 76649 MICHAEL NEW UPDATE - Nov-Dec 2000 The Citizen Soldier Protection Act of 2000 is dead. But the 2001 version will be back as soon as Congress reconvenes. Count on it. And we'll be much more aggressive, with your help, in promoting this very important bill to prevent the forced placement of Helen Chenoweth will not be in the House of Representatives next year. We need a new House sponsor, and Bob Smith, the good senator from New Hampshire, will only introduce if we can get two or three more to co-sponsor. He's right - it's a waste of time to Order for Christmas presents: MICHAEL NEW - Mercenary.or American Soldier $5.00 book GOOD CONDUCT - the Story of Michael New $17.00 video Free 2001 calendar featuring the Bill of Rights to the first 200 donors in any amount! This offer is only good while they last, and they don't last long. A reminder that the Michael New Action Fund continues to need funds to operate, not only for paying lawyers, but for traveling around the country, for lots of time on long-distance, for postage and shipping, for giving away books to soldiers (over 12,000 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Now You Too Can Be An Undecided Voter! (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 2000 14:18:59 PST On Nov 4, charmuth@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Are you lonely? Are you bored? Do you wish people would pay more attention to you? Do you know that having people pay attention to you is the single most important determinant of Self-Esteem? There IS something you can do. And we can help you. Join Today! The Undecided Voter Institute Your Source for Self-Esteem Is now accepting enrollments. Betty DuPage, of Blano, Az. says, "I just love my life since I've become Undecided! I've been on national TV three times in two weeks, and have a small pack of reporters and pollsters who camp on my lawn! They follow me around and ask me what I think about all kinds of things. They hang on my every gesture, it's cool!" Charles Infidel of Gristmill, MA writes, "When I was Decided, my life was dull. Since becoming Undecided, I'm having a ball. I travel all over the country and score with staffers of BOTH campaigns! Now that I'm Undecided, I've got my Mojo working!" Betty and Charles have found the Self-Esteem they deserve since they joined The Undecided Voter Institute, and became firmly undecided. Betty and Charles have done it, and so can you. At The Undecided Voter Institute, you'll learn the 5 Secrets to Indecision. For example, you'll learn... Secret Number One: "The Secret of Making Your Indecisiveness ROCK SOLID." You'll learn why simple waffling is simply not enough in today's media markets. You'll see concrete examples that prove that unless YOUR indecision is ROCK SOLID, you won't get the attention you deserve. Not only that, we'll show you HOW you can become a virtually impregnable Fortress of Indecision. We'll show you the 6 Deadly Traps that can stand in the way of being Undecided. For example, you'll learn... Deadly Trap Number One: "Principles and Paying Attention" You'll learn how having Principles or Paying Attention can take away your Right to Indecision. You'll see clear examples that prove that if you are Paying Attention and have Principles, you can't POSSIBLY be Undecided for long. Not only that, but we'll show you how to BANISH these and other Deadly Traps, Forever. You'll learn all this and much, much more at The Undecided Voter Institute, where your Indecision is GUARANTEED! Decided? So call us today. We can help. The Undecided Voter Institute Your source for Self-Esteem 1-8-CONFUSEME, toll free Professor Jerry Mander Political Ethicist Fighting Ignorance, One Ignoramous at a Time http://www.jerrymander.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Distributed by: C-Four Communications Chuck Muth, Editor 3549 N. University, Suite 300 Provo, UT 84604 Phone: (702) 454-0350 Fax: (702) 454-7798 E-mail: charmuth@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: [RSCGGC] FW: CLDF FUNDRAISER - AUSTIN, TEXAS (fwd) Date: 05 Nov 2000 09:38:35 PST On Nov 04, Neal Atkins wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Jack wrote: Congressman Ron Paul > and the Civil Liberties Defense Foundation need your help to > > SAVE THE SECOND AMENDMENT!!! > > Over 30 cities from across the country are suing gun makers and > retailers in an attempt to bankrupt the industry and destroy your > right to keep and bear arms! > > 28 brave legislators have vowed to protect your rights and are filing > a lawsuit against these cities to put a stop to the madness. > > WE NEED YOUR HELP TO MAKE THIS EFFORT A SUCCESS! > > ********************************************* > Join Us > Saengerrunde Hall > Austin, Texas > Wednesday, November 15th, 2000 > 5:30-8:00pm > ********************************************* > > Special Guests: > Senator Jerry Patterson > Representative Suzanna Hupp > Representative Bob Turner > Representative Mike Krusee > and many other elected officials > > SILENT AUCTION, APPETIZERS, LIVE MUSIC > > Major Sponsors: > McBride's Gun Store > Texas Trophy Hunter's Association > > Attached is a virus free invitation for you to fill out and return to: > > Civil Liberties Defense Foundation > P.O. Box 163653 > Austin, Texas 78716 > > or you can call us at 512-481-0168 to RSVP. > > Tickets will also be available at the door. > General admission is $25. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Yes!!! Number 2 (fwd) Date: 05 Nov 2000 09:36:50 PST On Nov 05, Paul Miller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Utah Town Requires Household Guns The Associated Press Sunday, Nov. 5, 2000; 7:24 a.m. EST VIRGIN, Utah This tiny southern Utah town has enacted an ordinance requiring a gun and ammunition in every home for residents' self-defense. Most of Virgin's 350 residents already own firearms so the initiative has lots of support, Mayor Jay Lee said. Residents had expressed fear that their Second Amendment right to bear arms was under fire so the town council modeled a similar measure passed by a Georgia city about 12 years ago. The mentally ill, convicted felons, conscientious objectors and people who cannot afford to own a gun are exempt. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20001105/aponline072423_000.htm [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GeJoSc@aol.com Subject: Re: Gettysburg Address 2000 (fwd) Date: 06 Nov 2000 16:42:54 EST I know it is presupmtive for me to say this, but if you send me your postal address, I would be glad to send you a cassette tape by G. Edward Griffin regarding the income tax. After hearing this short lecture, you will never view the Income Tax in the same way again. Or if you would prefer, you can get the tape, "The Perfect Tax," at www.realityzone.com for 5 bucks. He clearly shows how the Income Tax is unConstitutional...16th Amendment not withstanding. Either way, you cannot afford to miss this lecture. Also, you would enjoy his lecture, The Creature from Jeckyll Island on the Federal Reserve rip-off. He clearly shows how the Income Tax is unConstitutional...16th Amendment not withstanding. George Schumpf 136 River Rd Waynesboro, VA 540 943-9174 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Gore Spends Wild Time with Biker Gang (fwd) Date: 07 Nov 2000 15:11:36 PST On Nov 06, by way of josie bass wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] NewsMax.com Sunday November 5, 2000; 1:00 PM ET Prompted by Dem Dirty Trick, Gore Witness Blows Lid Off Wild Night A Tennessee minister, outraged by the 11th-hour release by Democrats of Texas Gov. George Bush's 1976 DUI arrest record, has come forward with his firsthand account of a wild night in 1971 that featured sex, booze, guns, drugs and presidential candidate Al Gore. In an e-mail to Nashville talk radio host Phil Valentine Thursday night, Pastor Ray Hudson cited an episode where Gore, while a reporter for the city's Tennessean newspaper, was assigned to do a story on the Death Angels, a notorious local motorcyle gang. Pastor Hudson, who now ministers to the homeless, was a Death Angels member in good standing at the time - and tipped Valentine that Gore's research for the story included spending a night with the gang. During the hours between dusk and dawn, the vice president got drunk, smoked pot, shot a club member's gun and had sex with one of the club's girls, the biker-turned-minister contended. Hudson said that what he saw flies in the face of Gore's family man image (Gore had married Tipper 18 months earlier), making his campaign's attempt to smear Bush over a DUI ticket even more outrageuous. On Friday, Pastor Hudson went public with his story on Valentine's WLAC talk radio show. VALENTINE: Now, tell me what happened when he came to do the interview with you guys. HUDSON: Well, he hung around a couple of days and we wanted some good press so we treated him well. He spent one night with us, or a big part of the night, partying with us. And during that party he smoked dope with us, he drank a lot. We had a door there that had some weird trim up over the door and we took a couple of pot shots at it and... VALENTINE: With a gun. HUDSON: With a pistol. VALENTINE: Al Gore was shooting a gun inside of a home? HUDSON: Yes. It was an illegal firearm, even back then. VALENTINE: OK. HUDSON: And he missed. He's not a straight shooter. (VALENTINE CHUCKLES) HUDSON: The reason that I had, you know, contacted you to begin with was that, you know, he portrayed himself, as I seen it on the national convention, back about that time they showed pictures of him and his family, he's been this great family guy, great husband and all of that. That night, other than the things I already mentioned, he was given one of the club girls there and took her into another room. VALENTINE: Now, this was in November of 1971. It needs to be noted that Al Gore and Tipper Gore got married May 19th of 1970. HUDSON: Yeah. VALENTINE: So, he'd been married about a year and a half. HUDSON: Yeah. VALENTINE: He gets one of the biker girls and goes to the back room and has his way with her. HUDSON: Yeah. VALENTINE: So, this is the Al Gore that is now, his campaign is throwing this mud at George W. Bush for getting a DUI in 1976? This guy's smokin' dope with a motorcycle gang and going back in the back with a biker chick in one of the back rooms? HUDSON: Yes, well, you know, everybody deserves a blast from the past sometimes and this is his. I didn't want to, 'til this DUI came out I had thought about it but I said 'naw, I'm just not gonna say anything.' Then when this came out about a DUI and making such a big deal out of it on the news, I said 'well, I'm gonna, you know, let somebody know about it, anyway.' VALENTINE: By the way, I read the piece he wrote on the Death Angels. It is a puff piece. HUDSON: Oh, yeah. It was great. We loved it. We bought a good article there. VALENTINE: No kidding! All you had to do was supply him with a girl and some dope and let him shoot your gun a couple of times and the guy writes a puff piece for you in the Tennessean. HUDSON: You know, I'm sure we all have some things we have we wish we hadn't done. I don't know how he is now. I don't know him now other than what I see on TV and some of the stories he tells. But I do know this is one incident I know about firsthand. VALENTINE: And this goes hand-in-hand with what John Warnecke, who was a friend at the Tennessean, a fellow reporter, has told us on several occasions that has not been reported by the national press. HUDSON: Well, you know, I think that it's a shame that people try to make a big deal out of something that isn't but then ignore some more serious things in the news and it just seems, well, one-sided to me. I think both sides need to be heard. VALENTINE: Well, I would say that smoking dope, shooting an illegal firearm in a house and bedding down with a biker chick when you're married trumps a DUI any day. Valentine told NewsMax.com Saturday that Gore's Tennessean report on the Death Angels includes quotes from two of the motorcycle gang's women. "As evening passed into morning, Cortez was saying...," Gore wrote, revealing that he'd spent at least several of the overnight hours in her company. A recent revelation by Gore himself suggests that he indeed did have a taste for the motorcycle gang lifestyle. Just last week he told talk show host Queen Latifah that in his younger days he enjoyed playing drinking games, riding his own motorcycle and outrunning police. Since Hudson's revelation on Friday, the mainstream press has ignored the story and the Gore campaign has had no comment. But on the campaign trail, Gore allies continue to pound away on the Bush DUI story. Gore backer former Nebraska Sen. Bob Kerrey engaged in some particularly ugly rhetoric Saturday, telling party faithful at a campaign stop: "[Bush] didn't want to tell us the truth. He said, 'I didn't want to tell you the truth because I was concerned about my daughters.' Governor, you remind me of that old song of Willie Nelson's - 'Who you gonna believe, you gonna believe me or your lyin' eyes?' Governor, we're gonna believe our eyes." "You're covering your rear end. You're protecting yourself," Kerrey shouted to the crowd. Advt: Race is tight. You can help Bush in last ditch effort to get out vote. CLICK HERE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Read more on this subject in related Hot Topics: Presidential Race 2000 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Adult Tissue Stem Cells (fwd) Date: 07 Nov 2000 15:09:30 PST On Nov 7, House, David Alan wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Source: Los Angeles Times; November 6, 2000 Adult Tissue Can Yield Stem Cells, Researchers Say New Orleans (ProlifeInfo.org) -- Stem cells, which promise treatments for currently incurable brain ailments and spinal cord injuries, may be far easier to obtain from adult tissues than anyone had thought, new research released Sunday indicates. The news could be good for pro-life advocates who have decried the killing of unborn children to obtain stem cells for research. Researchers have previously claimed stem cells from unborn children provided better results in the research. The study by researchers at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School in New Jersey shows for the first time that, with the proper experimental growth factors, stem cells isolated from adult bone marrow can convert into neurons quickly and can be grown in almost unlimited supply. Moreover, animal experiments show that these cells can be successfully transplanted into the spinal cord and brain, where the cells appear to survive and connect to other neurons, the researchers said. The discovery raises the prospect that people in need of treatment one day might be able to donate their own cells to repair crucial nerve tissue damaged by stroke, disease or injury, eliminating any need for powerful drugs to suppress the recipient's immune system "We were somewhat overwhelmed," said lead researcher Dr. Ira Black, who is head of Robert Wood Johnson's neuroscience department. Bone marrow "appears to be a robust source of cells. There may be a variety of [other] easily accessible sources of cells that can generate neurons." In a similar laboratory advance reported Sunday, researchers led by Fred H. Gage at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla grew neural cells from human tissue donated after death from people up to 72 years old. Two other independent laboratory experiments indicate that neural cells can even be grown from skin and scalp tissue from living donors. "The research shows that the [cadaver] tissue could be a new, noncontroversial source of human neural cells for transplantation and experimentation," said Gage. Federally funded embryo research was effectively banned until last August. Then the Clinton administration ruled that publicly funded experiments could be conducted on the about 150,000 human embryos left behind at fertility clinics, provided that federal money is not used to actually destroy the unborn children. The age at which the stem cells were harvested, however, did appear to make a crucial difference. Adult stem cells are biologically less potent than embryo cells. Cells cultivated from older donors did not last as long in the laboratory as those taken from younger donors, nor did they divide and multiply as efficiently. "Clearly the cells that are younger divide more easily," Gage said. "There is no substitute for youth, at least so far." The findings were presented Sunday at the Society for Neuroscience in New Orleans, which represents 28,000 scientists who study the biology of the brain. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Gettysburg Address 2000 (fwd) (fwd) Date: 07 Nov 2000 15:10:40 PST On Nov 06, GeJoSc@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I know it is presupmtive for me to say this, but if you send me your postal address, I would be glad to send you a cassette tape by G. Edward Griffin regarding the income tax. After hearing this short lecture, you will never view the Income Tax in the same way again. Or if you would prefer, you can get the tape, "The Perfect Tax," at www.realityzone.com for 5 bucks. He clearly shows how the Income Tax is unConstitutional...16th Amendment not withstanding. Either way, you cannot afford to miss this lecture. Also, you would enjoy his lecture, The Creature from Jeckyll Island on the Federal Reserve rip-off. He clearly shows how the Income Tax is unConstitutional...16th Amendment not withstanding. George Schumpf 136 River Rd Waynesboro, VA 540 943-9174 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: A WorldNetDaily.com article (fwd) Date: 08 Nov 2000 10:26:34 PST On Nov 8, margi@flash.net wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] To view the entire article, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_btl/20001108_xcbtl_the_first_.shtml Wednesday, November 8, 2000 The first post-Clinton scandal by Joseph Farah The California Democratic Party paid for the mailing of an 11th-hour Bill Clinton campaign letter to unregistered, non-citizen Hispanics urging them to use a bogus "Voter Identification Card" at the polls yesterday, greatly increasing the potential for rampant voter fraud in the nation's richest electoral college state. I first reported in this column Monday that a young Guatemalan woman legally residing in Los Angeles County who received the "Clinton card" last week turned it over to me. Since she never registered to vote, I wondered out loud how Clinton's California Democrats happened to target her. It struck me -- and those the young woman lives with -- that perhaps the Immigration and Naturalization Service database had been misused for political purposes the way so many other government files have been abused during the Clinton years. The evidence is mounting that this may, indeed, be evidence of one of the largest and highest-level political dirty tricks ever conducted in these United States. The California Democratic Party, which paid for the mailer, continues to claim that information about recipients was taken from voter files. However, WorldNetDaily staff writer Julie Foster confirmed that the woman is not registered to vote and therefore does not have a voter file, raising serious questions as to the party's information source. According to CNN reporter Mark Marino, Democratic Party officials denied even the existence of the mailer, which is reproduced here for the world to see. Though the young woman in question does have a driver's license, Department of Motor Vehicles records are sealed for privacy purposes, meaning the Democrats could not have obtained their information from that agency. Nor could the party legally have obtained pertinent information, such as her address and birth date, from the 20-year-old's confidential student record at the community college she attends in the Los Angeles area. INS records are also sealed -- supposedly. Tim Morgan, California's Republican National Committeeman and an election law attorney, was hard-pressed to think of a legal source the CDP could have used to obtain the Guatemalan woman's address and birth date. "This is the stuff congressional investigations are made of," he said. "It's not clear to me at all how this could have happened. From the Dornan case, we know really how protected this information is. One is left to speculate." Well, allow me to do some speculating. The Clinton administration has, for the better part of eight years, used government databases to target enemies with Internal Revenue Service audits, FBI investigations, threats, intimidation and blackmail. Is it such a stretch to believe members of that same ultra-politicized administration would have pulled a few strings to get INS records to the California Democrats. With a track record like that, I'd be shocked if they didn't. But the bigger issue raised by this scam is the issue of electoral integrity. And the reality is there is no such thing in America, any more. Think about these motor-voter laws that render poll watchers impotent. They are not legally permitted to demand identification as long as voters' names appear on the rolls. As WorldNetDaily has reported, even obviously fraudulent names cannot be challenged. Even when a prospective California voter shows up, and there is no matching name on the voting rolls, poll workers must permit the vote to take place. It can only be challenged after the fact -- after the votes are counted. Folks, there are a lot of people patting themselves on the back today because of the election results. Not me. No matter what the results were on Election Day, I would still be madder than heck today because the sanctity of the American vote has been compromised. Sometimes process is as important or more important than results. And the voting process in America has become corrupt. Most Americans may not give all this another thought for two more years or four more years. That would be unfortunate. Because if this kind of corruption goes unpunished, you can rest assured it will be worse the next time. Are you going to be one of those people who sits back and forgets about what happened here now that the election is over? Personally, I think Tim Morgan is right. This is the stuff of which congressional investigations are made. I know. I know. Congress has done nothing with mounting scandals for eight years. But maybe -- just maybe -- some members got a wakeup call this time. It's worth a try. Got any better ideas? Your new officials in Washington will be waiting to hear from you. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Here's Some Election Commentary You WON'T Find in Your Local Paper... (fwd) Date: 09 Nov 2000 09:57:47 PST On Nov 9, charmuth@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] THE NEAL BOORTZ SHOW America's Rude Awakening. Stick it in your ear! Thursday November 9, 2000 These program notes are meant to offend everyone equally. If, for some reason you are not offended, please write me with a description of yourself including your name, race, weight, religious views, political party, strong opinions, physical disabilities, weird sexual preferences, or anything else that you are touchy about, and I will try to offend you in a future issue. If I can't do it, nobody can. Complaints should be emailed to: biteme@likeiactuallycare.com "In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." --Voltaire Call the Neal Boortz show 10:00 am to 1:00 pm EDT toll free at 1-877-310-2100 HOW WILL THE ELECTION BE DESCRIBED? If Bush is declared the winner in Florida this will come to be known as a "stolen" election and Bush's presidency will be designated as "invalid." If Gore is declared the winner the media and the Democrats will call it a "victory for democracy" and will say that the "system worked." THE DEMOCRATS WILL NOT ACCEPT THE RECOUNT . .. unless, of course, the recount favors Gore. The Gore Campaign has already retained the services of one of Florida's most powerful law firms to file legal challenges to this election. The center of the challenge is going to be in Palm Beach County, Georgia. The basis for the challenge? The Democrats just can't believe that this many voters actually voted for Pat Buchanan in Palm Beach. In effect, the Democrats are saying "Hey. Those people couldn't have possibly voted for Buchanan! Those are our type of voters! Everybody knows they should have voted for Gore! We want their votes thrown out!" Not bad, huh? You get to challenge an election on the basis that people didn't vote the way you expected them to vote. Didn't Milosovitch just try that ploy over there in Yugoslavia? LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE PALM BEACH BALLOTS This is going to be the Democrats last stand. This is where they are going to make their case that Gore should have been given the Electoral votes from Florida. It's that now infamous Palm Beach County ballot. Here are some things for you to ponder about this ballot: * At least 96% of the people were not confused by the ballot * The ballot was designed by a Democratic Party official * The people of Palm Beach County had an opportunity to view the ballot and comment on it before the election. No objections were entered. * The Florida Democratic Party approved the ballot before the vote. Come on, folks. Look at the damned thing. There's an arrow ... and that arrow is CLEARLY pointing to a hole. There is no ambiguity as to which hold it's pointing to. If you went up to any second grader in this country -- even those in government schools -- and told that second grader to "put the little pin in the hole next to arrow number 5" there would be no problem. The rude truth to the matter is that you have to be an absolute idiot not to be able to cast your vote properly with this ballot. Now we have hree Palm Beach voters have filed lawsuits. They are saying that they were confused and cast their vote for the wrong person. OK ... fine. Here's your problem. There is NO WAY that any of these plaintiffs can prove that they miss-cast their votes. There is absolutely no way to match any ballot to any voter. In other words -- there is no way that any of these voters can prove their claim. Would someone please tell me how the courts can resolve any claim for a person who cannot prove that they have been wronged? Hey -- you know what? I think I won the Big 5 jackpot last weekend. I was confused by the ballot form you fill out to select your lottery numbers. I just know that I entered all five of the numbers and the jackpot number as well. I want a chance to fill out my little lottery card again so I can correct these numbers. My entire future is at stake here. I should have several million dollars in my bank account right now! I need that money to pay for health care and my retirement. This is too serious a situation to be ignored, and I'm thinking of hiring a lawyer! There's more. The Democrats are screaming that there is no way Buchanan could have received this many votes in Palm Beach County. They cite the fact that Broward County, immediately to the South, only saw around 100 votes for Buchanan vs. the 3,407 votes in Palm Beach. Well ----here's what you probably haven't heard in the media. According to the Florida supervisor of elections, Broward County has only 189 members of the Independent Party - Florida's Reform party. However, in Palm Beach County there are well over 14,000 members of the Independent Party. As a matter of fact, Palm Beach County has the highest Independent registration in Florida. Oops! Well that certainly puts things in a different light, doesn't it? WILL ANY ELECTORS CHANGE THEIR VOTES? As CNN's Jeff Greenfield said . the potential here for mischief is incredible. A lot of pundits are exploring the possibility that one of the Electors might decide to cast his vote for the "other guy" when they meet to cast their Electoral votes on December 18th. Greenfield suggested that some Elector might get the word to one candidate or another suggesting that his vote might be changed in exchange for a good government appointment, a highway, etc. Get this --- I've even seen some of the Democratic Electors in Florida openly challenging Republican Electors to "do the right thing" and to cast their votes for Gore if there is any question of voting irregularities. LET'S ASK THOSE WHO KNOW IT ALL How about the students? What are we thinking? We need to ask college and university students what to do! Let's take advantage of these people at the very time in their lives that they know everything! This morning I saw a picture of one of these wonderfully informed and all-knowing students carrying a sign that said "Bush Concede - Abolish the Electoral College." Let's take advantage of this immense well of solid knowledge before the reality of life sets in on these fine young minds. ONE DEMOCRATIC PLOY OUT IN THE OPEN "Honorable." That's the word. "Honorable." If Bush wins the recount in Florida, and thus the presidency, the spin will be that it just wouldn't be honorable for Bush to claim the presidency in light of Gore's lead in the popular vote. I first heard the word used in a press conference yesterday. Florida Governor Jeb Bush was answering questions about the recount process. He was asked if it would be "honorable" for his brother to serve as president even though he lost the popular vote. Well, golly! Let's think about this for a while. Obviously the Democrats feel that Clinton has served his country "honorably" during the past eight years . thus we can assume that it would be "honorable" for a president to continue in office: Perjury Obstruction of justice Affair with intern Lying to the American people Violating his oath of office But the inference is that it would be "dishonorable" for a president to serve in office pursuant to the strict dictates of our Constitution as it regards the Electoral College. Yeah --- makes perfect sense to me. A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS --- NOT! Reporters asked this question of Warren Christopher yesterday afternoon. They wanted to know if this was a Constitutional crisis. Why? Why ask the question at all? The Constitution is working exactly as it was supposed to work. There are no questions as to what to do next. There are no uncertainties as to how this process is to go forward. You determine the vote in Florida, and the Florida electors cast their Electoral votes. It's just that simple. A president-elect is chosen. Just where in the hell is the Constitutional crisis? Consider this. Is it possible that some biased reporters are actually trying to create that crisis through their questions? "FOUND" BALLOT BOXES Would someone please tell me just why most of those mysterious "found" ballot boxes in Florida are being found in precincts that vote heavily Democratic? Just wondering. CREATE A SENSE OF PANIC AND HYSTERIA Obviously, that's the Democratic game plan when it comes to Palm Beach County. Create a sense of panic in the minds of the Palm Beach voters .. Convince them that they have been cheated --- that they voted for the wrong people. Did you hear that Democratic attack dog Robert Wexler? He was talking about hundreds of voters crying and wailing in parking lots at polling places after they learned that they had mis-cast their votes. Don't you think that some newsman with a camera could have discovered these weeping and wailing voters on Tuesday, and treated us to a picture? Wexler and that publicity whore and race warlord Jesse Jackson know their assignment well. Create such an aura of voter hysteria that national public opinion will demand a solution - and no solution will do short of a new vote in Palm Beach County. ONCE AGAIN - MEN FOR LIBERTY, WOMEN FOR SECURITY The gender gap in Tuesday's election was 22 percent. Women preferred Gore by an 11 margin and men preferred Bush by an 11 percent margin. The reasoning is clear. The offer of government-provided security is eagerly accepted by women. Liberty means much more to men. The founding fathers had this one right. THIS LISTENER IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT . AND WE ALL KNOW IT This e-mail form a listener --- it's about the voters of Missouri electing a dead guy to serve in the U.S. Senate. CAN YOU IMAGINE if John Ashcroft of Missouri had been a black Democrat, running against a dead Republican, and lost . . . . .HOW FAST would Jesse Jackson be there crying FOUL? It speaks volumes about the character of Ashcroft that he announced that he will not appeal the process, or stand around stating that it doesn't "pass the smell test." HOW RACE FIGURED INTO TUESDAY'S ELECTION The masses spoke on Tuesday. And they spoke in oh-so-predictable ways. Al Gore's appeal to minorities was incredible. About 90 percent of blacks chose Gore over Bush. In Florida, whites favored Bush, 57 percent to 40 percent; but blacks favored Gore, 93 percent to 7 percent. That's part of the reason for the recount. Black votes swung states like Pennsylvania and Michigan towards Gore, too, with numbers similar to Florida. Bottom line: Bush's appeals to the minority voting bloc went nowhere. Absolutely nowhere. Blacks, Hispanics, and others fell into lock-step behind Al Gore, who promised them more goodies and worked hard to validate their coveted victim status in our society. Gore promised them more preferences and more social programs. More free money from the government. He promised to protect them from those mean, nasty white racist Republicans and their corporate bosses. He promised they wouldn't have to worry about taking care of themselves, because the federal government would do it for them. And they fell for it. Nine out of every ten black votes was for Gore. How do you defeat a party that has so masterfully enslaved an entire segment of the population? How do you convince those voters that they're voting to secure their own comfort at the expense of the entire nation? http://www.washtimes.com/national/default-200011922370.htm SO NOW GORE WANTS THE RULE OF LAW Yes, now Al Gore is calling for the rule of law to prevail as votes are recounted in Florida. Yesterday afternoon we heard Gore urge "respect for the rule of law...We now need to resolve this election in a way that is fair and forthright, and in a way that is fully consistent with the Constitution and our laws." Funny how Gore wants to respect the rule of law only when the law has an immediate impact on his future. He and Bill Clinton have been all too happy to flout the rule of law elsewhere--like covering up the Chinese government's financing of the 1996 election, for example. Yet more evidence why Gore should not be president. He calls on the Constitution to prevail only when it's convenient to him. http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/11/8/181550 http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/11/8/153824 CHECK OUT "ALL EYES ON FLORIDA" ON NEWSMAX.COM Here's a good place for you to keep up with some of the latest in the Florida vote situaiton. http://www.newsmax.com/ Nealz Nuze - Copyright 2000 by Neal Boortz. All rights reserved. Permission repost or reproduce is granted so long as a link is provided (www.bortz.com) to Nealz Nuze and this copyright notice is included. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Countering Democrat Election Theft Date: 09 Nov 2000 11:56:03 PST There's actually grounds for agreement between the Reform and Republican Parties. The Democrats are trying to steal the Election from _Both_ Parties. For the Reform Party, it's PJB's big win in a Florida County, and for the Republicans, it's G.W. Bushes overall win. It's time for _both_ Parties to join together in denouncing this Election Theft to the National Election authorities, the Florida Election authorities, the DNC, and the Florida Democrats. Time to start flooding all four of them with snail/e mail, and phone calls/faxes, _demanding_ that the Democrats stop trying to Steal _our_ Election! Lets slam dunk them before they even get started. If you have the appropriate addresses and phone numbers, add them to this post, and spread it far and wide. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: A Nation Divided -- and A Message to the Enemy Camp [Free Republic] (fwd) Date: 09 Nov 2000 13:43:50 PST On Nov 9, Steve Moser wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is pretty self explanatory. Steve M. A Nation Divided -- and A Message to the Enemy Camp [Free Republic] FreeRepublic.com "A Conservative News Forum" Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. A Nation Divided -- and A Message to the Enemy Camp Politics/Elections Opinion (Published) Keywords: THE BATTLE LINES ARE BEING DRAWN Source: Sierra Times Published: 8 November 2000 Author: J.J. Johnson Posted on 11/08/2000 18:46:15 PST by The_Expatriate A Nation Divided (And a message to the Enemy Camp) By J.J. Johnson - Posted: 11.08.00 If you're wondering what that upset feeling is in your stomach, you're not alone. In my opinion, this is the calm before the storm. Let November 7, 2000 be a red-letter day; and a black mark on American history. The only winner of this election will be the truth. The truth that this nation is more polarized and divided than it has ever been. In other countries, it's at this point that the shooting starts, and the blood begins to flow in the streets. Perhaps that explains that upset feeling in your stomach today. This is not to be interpreted to indicate that we advocate such actions, but if what I fear lies ahead, it's best that someone step forward and explain to our posterity how and why we got to this crossroad in America. Regardless of the final result, America's choice will remain deadlocked. There will be no negotiating, as there is too much at stake. The party who is on the verge of losing all power in Washington DC has a track record of ill behavior in vote counting. There has also been a pattern, for at least the last decade, of violent death and destruction that takes place when their authority is threatened. For what it's worth, the so-called "exit poll data" is telling the world who is on which side in this conflict. Rural vs Urban, Young vs Old, Black vs White etc. Gentile vs non-gentile, etc. To put it simply, us against them. No one wants to admit it, no one wants to say it, but that's the way it is. According to the AP "For a watching world, a full day of confusion over the results of the U.S. presidential race was a lesson in democracy's messy glory - or proof that the political system in the world's most powerful nation might just be in need of an overhaul." Well, to the rest of the world, the Associated Press may be right about that "overhaul." The last major overhaul of this type cost us about 600,000 lives back in the 19th century with primitive weaponry. The states where many people's ancestors fought and died for their beliefs in the Constitution led the battle of November 7, 2000 at the ballot box -- showing that no matter what happens, or what you hear on CNN, that battle is not over. In fact, the next phase of this battle has just begun. My prediction: This is GOING to get ugly. Let us now state these facts candidly to the world: We represent the side that has become the victim of "political correctness." We are those who have been called names for simply being who we are. We have been demonized for believing that this nation, and the way it governs, are based on certain principles. We are the ones who pay (by force) the majority of the taxes in this country. We are the ones who have placed the majority of our sons and daughters in harm's way in service of our nation. We have been all but banned from the major media, but they now know we exist. We watched as our basic freedoms were being stolen from us. We fought back. We fought hard. And according to the rules that govern us, we believe we have made a major statement to the world via the ballot box. We have been under assault. Our right of free expression, our right to own property, our right of self-defense and preservation, our right to be governed from our states rather than a federal bureaucracy, and soon, if we do not prevail, our right of adequate representation in our own government. Even our history and that of our ancestors is under attack. The democratic choice that has been made threatens to end (or at least halt) this downward slide. Our adversaries are on the verge of losing all the power they've held over us for the last 40 years. At this time it appears that our adversaries, like tyrants of the past, simply won't accept defeat and are preparing to take steps to take this fight to the next level. We are truly a Nation Divided. Citizens of the World, if our side loses this battle, many of us may not live to see what the outcome will be. We can safely predict that your nations will soon share the same attitude about this nation that many share today -- that it is run by a tyrant, or a beast. You will witness the military and economic power of this nation used against you at the will of a few, not the will of the people. You will be disarmed, disenfranchised, and taught to hate one another. You will be forced to believe that the Government, and not our Creator, is your caretaker and will demand complete control over your lives. We will be vanquished. It is for this reason, that we cannot -- we shall not surrender. We represent a people who believe in a Power Greater than Ourselves. Today, we live with an unsettling fear. Not a fear of what our adversaries will do, but fear of what we may have to do to preserve, protect, and defend our principles, our beliefs, and our posterity. We do not wish this upon ourselves, but many of us fear that our opposition may have removed all other options. America has made its choice. We have chosen to have a "difference of opinion." We have chosen to be divided. For this reason, we ask for your prayers and understanding of what may befall us in the coming days. And to our adversaries -- the enemy camp: It is not the Electoral College that needs to be overhauled. If you cannot agree to the rules as they have been written and to the will of those on our side, then again -- we submit to you an offer of disillusionment. That's right -- another secession. But this time, it's not just Dixie. Over the years, those of us who chose to remove ourselves from the cesspools called "metropolis" have learned what independence means. We are those huddled masses yearning to breathe free. We submit that the State of Washington doesn't need Seattle, Illinois doesn't need Chicago, New York doesn't need New York City, etc. We submit that our children should not be forced to learn what you teach. We submit that our rights to own and defend our property is a right, not a privilege. We submit that "multiculturalism" is not "tolerance", but state-sponsored bigotry against political opposition. We submit that Americans are sovereign by birthright, and that NO man shall ever take that away from us. We submit that if no peaceful solution can be reached, then at least 29 of the 50 sovereign states seek other options. You have tried to silence us, ignore us, demonize us, and even disarm us. Let November 7, 2000 be the day when you have been warned via the ballot box that WE SHALL NOT SURRENDER. Our candidate for president may not have been our first or best choice, but we did choose NOT to be governed by the likes of our opposition. We understand that this campaign has pitted brother against brother, sister against sister, and parent against child, and still does today. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? To our adversaries: We have seen your tactics, we know your strategy. We KNOW you've attempted to deny the right of suffrage to our brethren off our nation's shores and in harm's way. We KNOW you have sought to register those who have not earned the right of suffrage in this country. Still, we prevailed. And we fear that you have little or no plan to simply walk away. If it is war that you are thinking of Eif it is a war that you are planning, let it be known that you will not wage a war against the "unsuspecting." You will name the stakes. You will fire the first shot. You will make the choice. As you have made your positions known to your leaders, we have done likewise. But unlike you, we take orders from a Higher Power, and not from corrupt men. We are as prepared as we were at the end of last year. You have heard our demand. We want our country back. Make no mistake about it - we will and shall continue to use the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and if left with no other choice, the other boxes that you seek to take away from us. As many of us today stand in fear of what may become of us, we cannot and shall not prevail until each of us looks deep within ourselves, understands the crossroad at which we stand, look our adversaries in the eye and say without reservation or hesitation... -- you will have to kill all of us. For God, the Constitution, and Country J.J. Johnson Editor & Chief, Sierra Times.com Articles & Editorials We receive numerous requests to forward Sierra Times articles and editorials to other news outlets, or to publish them on websites. Permission granted, as long as you include the name of our site, the author, and our URL: www.SierraTimes.com All Sierra Times news reports, and all editorials are 2000 SierraTimes.com (unless otherwise noted) SierraTimes.com Publishing & Communication Associates - A Subsidiary of J.J. Johnson Enterprises, Inc. 1970 N. 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Get thousands of travel agents competing for your business. Save with new FREE site! http://click.topica.com/aaaaQ2aVxjiAaVF8aea/Imandi ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/8/113515.shtml By Jack Thompson Wednesday, Nov. 8, 2000 If America thought it got, in the Elian Gonzalez saga, a bellyful of lawyers interjecting themselves into a national story and warping it, thereby traumatizing and polarizing the participants as well as millions of observers, here is a warning from Elian's former state of residence: You ain't seen nothing yet. I have been a lawyer, right here in Florida, for 24 years. I and the rest of us have seen the artful dodging, the lawyering license, of this White House's lawyers in the protracted Lewinsky affair. The residue of that experience should serve as a primer, a wake-up call after this longest of electoral nights, informing us what will follow the automatic recount of the votes in Florida. The call from Gore will be this: Send in the lawyers. If Bush wins the Florida recount, which he should do, Gore will get this thing into the court system, state or federal, that he and his barrister henchmen think will be most favorably predisposed to challenge counting procedures, poll watchers' complaints, and voting irregularities that might provide a technical wedge to challenge the entire voting process in Florida. In the litigation phase of the Elian affair, a Florida lawyer by the name of Janet Reno, in league with the president's impeachment counsel, Greg Craig, similarly, and improperly, got the matter into federal court when both Al Gore and George W. Bush said it should be decided in state court, where Elian would have prevailed. This "forum shopping," with the stakes immeasurably high, will go on now, again in Florida, big time. The Democrats have already tipped their hand. The Florida attorney general, a Democrat and longtime political crony of Janet Reno by the name of Bob Butterworth, has already said that he will decide for Florida, and the nation, what should be done after the "first recount." So the Democrats have their insider within the state system, ready, willing and able to thwart whatever Florida Governor Jeb Bush might decide to do. This means it ain't over until the Democrats and their lawyers say it is over. Does anyone think that Al Gore, his entire life flashing before him, a law school dropout who has said there is "no controlling legal authority" that binds him on campaign fund-raising illegalities, is going to be bound by propriety in this situation? No, Gore will be bound only by the desperate inventiveness of his legal beagles. He will not be bound by the precedent of Richard Nixon in 1960 letting the theft of Illinois go unchallenged in a court. Gore will challenge everything. His beagles are right now on the scent. They smell blood. There will be a lot more blood and a lot more for all of us to smell before this is over, hopefully before January 20, 2001. And by the way, the lawyer officially charged with investigating Democratic vote fraud officially alleged yesterday by the Broward County Republican Party and reported here first on NewsMax.com, is a lawyer by the name of Janet Reno. Janet Reno has never investigated Democratic vote fraud. She has participated in it. Folks, it's going to come down to this: Gore's lawyers, in league with Attorneys General Butterworth and Reno, pitted against George W. Bush and his legal team. 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      http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/8/113515.shtml

      By Jack Thompson

      Wednesday, Nov. 8, 2000 



      If America thought it got, in the Elian Gonzalez saga, a bellyful of

      lawyers interjecting themselves into a national story and warping

      it, thereby traumatizing and polarizing the participants as well as

      millions of observers, here is a warning from Elian's former state

      of residence: You ain't seen nothing yet.



      I have been a lawyer, right here in Florida, for 24 years. I and the

      rest of us have seen the artful dodging, the lawyering license, of

      this White House's lawyers in the protracted Lewinsky affair. The

      residue of that experience should serve as a primer, a wake-up

      call after this longest of electoral nights, informing us what will

      follow the automatic recount of the votes in Florida.



      The call from Gore will be this: Send in the lawyers.



      If Bush wins the Florida recount, which he should do, Gore will

      get this thing into the court system, state or federal, that he and

      his barrister henchmen think will be most favorably predisposed

      to challenge counting procedures, poll watchers' complaints, and

      voting irregularities that might provide a technical wedge to

      challenge the entire voting process in Florida.



      In the litigation phase of the Elian affair, a Florida lawyer by the

      name of Janet Reno, in league with the president's

      impeachment counsel, Greg Craig, similarly, and improperly, got

      the matter into federal court when both Al Gore and George W.

      Bush said it should be decided in state court, where Elian would

      have prevailed. This "forum shopping," with the stakes

      immeasurably high, will go on now, again in Florida, big time.



      The Democrats have already tipped their hand. The Florida

      attorney general, a Democrat and longtime political crony of

      Janet Reno by the name of Bob Butterworth, has already said

      that he will decide for Florida, and the nation, what should be

      done after the "first recount." So the Democrats have their

      insider within the state system, ready, willing and able to thwart

      whatever Florida Governor Jeb Bush might decide to do.



      This means it ain't over until the Democrats and their lawyers

      say it is over.



      Does anyone think that Al Gore, his entire life flashing before

      him, a law school dropout who has said there is "no controlling

      legal authority" that binds him on campaign fund-raising

      illegalities, is going to be bound by propriety in this situation?



      No, Gore will be bound only by the desperate inventiveness of

      his legal beagles. He will not be bound by the precedent of

      Richard Nixon in 1960 letting the theft of Illinois go unchallenged

      in a court. Gore will challenge everything.



      His beagles are right now on the scent. They smell blood. There

      will be a lot more blood and a lot more for all of us to smell

      before this is over, hopefully before January 20, 2001.



      And by the way, the lawyer officially charged with investigating

      Democratic vote fraud officially alleged yesterday by the

      Broward County Republican Party and reported here first on

      NewsMax.com, is a lawyer by the name of Janet Reno. 



      Janet Reno has never investigated Democratic vote fraud. She

      has participated in it.



      Folks, it's going to come down to this: Gore's lawyers, in league

      with Attorneys General Butterworth and Reno, pitted against

      George W. Bush and his legal team. Here's one lawyer hoping

      Bush's lawyers are more like Greg Craig than Ken Starr.

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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: A fair election?  Media silent regarding failure of military absentee ballots (fwd)
Date: 09 Nov 2000 18:38:36 PST

On Nov 09, Jurist wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

Anyone heard this on CNNCBSABCNBCFOXNEWS?


WorldNetDaily was initially contacted by U.S. residents and service
members who said that, in contrast to prior election years, they had not
yet received their absentee ballots -- but that they had requested them
in the correct way. 

Since the report broke, numerous other service members have also
contacted the newssite, complaining that they too had not yet received
ballots, even though they requested them. 
http://www.WorldNetDaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/20001107_xnjdo_bacon_deni.shtml


FLORIDA MILITARY VOTES BLOCKED
FLORIDA MILITARY VOTES BLOCKED
FLORIDA MILITARY VOTES BLOCKED

Reports of Blocked Military Votes Still Coming In
 -- and some of them live in Florida

http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com

from Angel Shamaya
Director, KeepAndBearArms.com
9 November 2000
12:50, PST

KeepAndBearArms.com --  We have more confirmed 
reports of U.S. servicemen and women being prevented 
from voting. Absentee ballots missing or arriving 
too late is a larger problem than we'd even have 
guessed, and we are still receiving new reports as 
the day wears on.  Here are the latest reports:

Okinawa -- another confirmed report of no ballot 
having been provided. In her own words:

   "I am living on Okinawa. I was active duty until 
   Sep 02-00, and I did ask my unit rep to sign me 
   up to vote -- but heard nothing after that.  I 
   did not receive a ballot at all. Yes, I would 
   have voted for Gov. Bush."

We also have our first confirmed report from a resident
of Florida stationed in America whose ballot didn't 
arrive until the day before the election. He requested 
his absentee ballot in September and placed a second 
request in October. According to him:

   "I received my Ballot the day after the election. 
   My parents requested my ballot in September, but 
   it was sent to the wrong address. I re-requested 
   a ballot in late October. I live in Florida, and 
   I would have voted for Bush."

He's not the only soldier who resides in Florida and 
didn't receive a ballot -- and would have thrown a 
vote to Governor Bush. This just came in:

   "I am a state resident of Florida. In my 16 years 
   in the military I have never NOT received a ballot...
   until this year. And yes, I would most definitely 
   have voted for Bush."

And so it goes. We have a confirmed report in from a 
couple whose home state is Oregon. She received her 
ballot, and he didn't.

Some military personnel did receive their ballots 
in time to vote, of course. From our email today:

   "I am from the state of Illinois, and requested 
   my ballot in September, I received my ballot on 
   November 6th 2000, the ballot needed to be returned 
   by 2 pm on the 7th.  I did send my ballot in, and 
   I did vote for BUSH!!"

and

   "I am a soldier stationed in the US at Carlisle 
   Barracks in Pennsylvania, away from my voting district. 
   Everyone at Carlisle Barracks was provided all forms, 
   etc months in advance.  I can tell you  that everyone 
   here was encouraged to vote."

We are elated to know that some military personnel did
get to vote. But the absence of ballots for others is
not only puzzling, it is an outrage.  How those who 
received their ballots on the 7th were to accomplish 
the stated deadline is a mystery. Who helped orchestrate
this travesty is no mystery at all.

Related Articles Below are All linked at
http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com

First Report from Okinawa Showing 
Missing Military Absentee Ballots
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=879

Help Us Find Lost Military Votes
 -- Survey for Soldiers to Take
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=880

Military Absentee Ballots Missing
 -- U.S. Military on Assignment Won't Get to Vote
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/20001104_xnjdo_military_m.shtml

Thank you to all who've assisted in blowing 
this thing wide open. We've had calls from 
Senators asking servicemen and women to contact 
their Senators and U.S. Representatives directly. 
http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index_by_state.cfm

And we continue our request to all military personnel: 
please fill out our survey from the above link -- 
especially if you didn't get to vote. Just because you 
contact your congresscritters doesn't mean that information 
will get to the Governor. We WILL get it there.

Sign up for our free email reports at
http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com


Investigate wrongdoing in this election?  Bring it on!  Rick V.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/story31.htm
http://www.brasscheck.com/stadium/exhibits/rd.html
http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/91/108/04_2_m.html
http://www.house.gov/republican-policy/documents/perspectives/USACtzn.htm
http://www.voting-integrity.org/

Military missing absentee ballots 
Some Army, Navy personnel unable to vote for new commander in chief 
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/20001104_xnjdo_military_m.shtml
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/20001107_xnjdo_americans_.shtml

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_metcalf_news/20001105_xngme_ihow_to_be.shtml
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_fosterj_news/20001107_xnfoj_noncitizen.shtml

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Vetran's Day (fwd)
Date: 10 Nov 2000 05:41:26 PST

"On Nov 9, Mike Copeland wrote:"

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

 It's that time of year in which we bring these individuals to the
forefront of our thoughts on Nov 11.  For myself, it is an HONOR & a
PRIVILEGE to
be counted amongst one of these.  Please pass along to your friends &
associates who have served & others who haven't, but are proud to be
called AMERICANS.  Forwarded with pride!

                     WHAT IS A VET?

  Some veterans bear visible signs of their service: a missing limb, a
  jagged scar, a certain look in the eye.

  Others may carry the evidence inside them: a pin holding a bone
  together, a piece of shrapnel in the leg - or perhaps another sort of
inner
  steel: the soul's ally forged in the refinery of adversity.

  Except in parades, however, the men and women who have kept America
  safe wear no badge or emblem.

  You can't tell a vet just by looking.

  What is a vet?

  He is the cop on the beat who spent six months in Saudi Arabia
sweating
  two gallons a day making sure the armored personnel carriers didn't
run
  out of fuel.

  He is the barroom loudmouth, dumber than five wooden planks, whose
  overgrown frat-boy behavior is outweighed a hundred times in the
cosmic
  scales by four hours of exquisite bravery near the 38th parallel.

  She - or he - is the nurse who fought against futility and went to
  sleep sobbing every night for two solid years in Da Nang.

  He is the POW who went away one person and came back another - or
  didn't come back AT ALL.

  He is the Paris Island, San Diego, or Quantico drill instructor who
has
  never seen combat - but has saved countless lives by turning slouchy,
  no-account rednecks and gang members into Marines, and teaching them
to
  watch each other's backs.

  He is the parade - riding Legionnaire who pins on his ribbons and
  medals with a prosthetic hand.

  He is the career quartermaster who watches the ribbons and medals pass
  him by.

  He is the three anonymous heroes in The Tomb Of The Unknowns, whose
  presence at the Arlington National Cemetery must forever preserve the
  memory of all the anonymous heroes whose valor dies unrecognized with
  them on the battlefield or in the ocean's sunless deep.

  He is the old guy bagging groceries at the supermarket - palsied now
  and aggravatingly slow - who helped liberate a Nazi death camp and who
  wishes all day long that his wife were still alive to hold him when
the
  nightmares come.

  He is an ordinary and yet an extraordinary human being - a person who
  offered some of his life's most vital years in the service of his
  country, and who sacrificed his ambitions so others would not have to
  sacrifice theirs.

  He is a soldier and a savior and a sword against the darkness, and he
  is nothing more than the finest, greatest testimony on behalf of the
 finest, greatest nation ever known.

  So remember, each time you see someone who has served our country,
just
  lean over and say Thank You. That's all most people need, and in most
  cases it will mean more than any medals they could have been awarded
or
  were awarded.

  Two little words that mean a lot, "THANK YOU".

  Remember November 11th is Veterans Day

  "It is the soldier, not the reporter,
   Who has given us freedom of the press.
   It is the soldier, not the poet,
   Who has given us freedom of speech.
   It is the soldier, not the campus organizer,
   Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
   It is the soldier,
   Who salutes the flag,
   Who serves beneath the flag,
   And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
   Who allows the protester to burn the flag."

   Father Denis Edward O'Brien, USMC

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [The Grip] Patriots arming in record numbers (fwd)
Date: 10 Nov 2000 23:18:51 PST

On Nov 10, Archibald Bard wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

TO KEEP THE PEACE,
KEEP YOUR PIECE!

Archibald Bard
Pro Libertate - For Freedom
ICQ 83834746


----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 11:13 AM


> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:44:21 -0500
> From: Dave 
> Subject: Patriots arming in record numbers
> 
> As the prospects for an American dictatorship under Al Gore grow
> daily, Patriots everywhere are preparing for the inevitable
> confrontations that are sure to follow. Sales of guns and ammunition
> are going through the roof, and emboldened citizens and local
> Patriotic sheriffs are squaring off with the Federal Mafia. We could
> be witnessing the beginning of the Second American Revolution. -DK-
> 
> ---------- forwarded message ----------
> 
> We have received word that gun stores in Western States have been
> inundated with calls and sales regarding ammunition. We also have
> a similar report from Florida.
> 
> Meanwhile, we have another situation brewing in Southern Utah. And
> Eastern Rural Nevada. On election day, with the blessing of the Local
> Sheriff, The Bullock family, joined by about 15 ranchers, took back
> about 45 head of cattle that was stolen by cattle rustlers, known
> locally as the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). No shots were fired.
> The cattle were returned to their owners from the pending auction.
> 
> "It was pretty Western: Police lined up on one side and us cowboys
> were on the other side," Bullock told the Salt Lake Tribune. The U.S.
> Attorney and the BLM are upset, to say the least.
> 
> "The U.S. attorney believes this is an utter flaunting of the rule of
> law," said Melodie Rydalch, spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney. "We
> will pursue all administrative, criminal and civil remedies against
> the people who did this. What happened [Tuesday], we can't let that
> stand." Rydalch said U.S. attorneys will be in court soon seeking
> legal action.
> 
> Once the cattle were returned, there were taken back and released in
> an undisclosed location.
> 
> Kane County Sheriff Lamont Smith, anticipating federal law enforcement
> action, dispatched his deputies Wednesday to interview Bullock and the
> ranchers to find out what happened in Salina.
> 
> Smith said if federal agents attempt to take back the animals from the
> ranchers, he will intervene to ensure the agents have proper
> documentation.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!!!
> DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!!
> BY GOD WE SHALL PREVAIL!!!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [piml] This Just In (fwd)
Date: 12 Nov 2000 16:37:10 PST

On Nov 12, John Fisher wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 10:40 AM


> Seminole Tribe Files Lawsuit:
> 
> WEST PALM BEACH, Fla., Nov.  10 - Leaders of Florida's Seminole tribe
> filed suit today in federal court, claiming that the
> use of arrows on election ballots was demeaning and intimidating to
> Native Americans.
> 
> The suit alleges that nearly 19,000 members of the tribe, who had
> intended to vote for George W.  Bush, became so distraught
> at the sight of the arrows that their hands began to shake
> uncontrollably, causing them to mispunch the ballot.  The chief of the
> tribe noted that many of these people left the polls in tears, and came
> to him saying they "knew they had punched more than
> one hole in the ballot."
> 
> The suit calls for the scalp of the local election officials who
> designed the ballot.

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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Make an intelligent protest. (fwd)
Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:02:00 PST

On Nov 13, STF wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

Here are the numbers announced by Col. Ollie North this afternoon.  It
is time to act.  Make a phone call tonight or tomorrow morning.

Al Gore's office 202-456-2326
             fax 202-456-7044

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: THE IRS - AN ENEMY "WITHIN" (fwd)
Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:18:13 PST

On Nov 13, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

MEET THE IRS - AMERICAS ENEMY WITHIN 
 Especially after you've just paid'em 

By D.J. Logan 

The IRS is not who you think they are.  IRS agents are neither 
trained nor paid by the United Stated Government.

Pursuant to Treasury Delegation Order No.  92, the IRS is trained under
the direction of the Division of Human Resources (U.N.) and the
Commissioner (INTERNATIONAL), by the office of Personnel Management.

In the 1979 edition of 22 USCA 278, "The United nations," you will find
Executive Order 10422.  The Office of Personnel Management is under the
direction of the Secretary of the United Nations.

Pursuant to Treasury Delegation Order No.  91, the IRS entered into a
"Service Agreement" with the US Treasury Department (See Public Law
94-564, Legislative History, pg.  5967, Reorganization (BANKRUPTCY!!!)
Plan No.  26) and the Agency for International Development.  This agency
is an international paramilitary operation and, according to the
Department of the Army Field manual (1969) 41-10, pgs 1-4, Sec.  1-7 (b)
& 1-6.  Sec.  1-10 (7) (c) (1), and 22 USCA 284, includes such
activities as, "Assumption of full or partial executive, legislative,
and judicial authority over a country or area."

The IRS is also an agency/member of a 169 nation pact called the
International Criminal Police Organization, or INTERPOL, found at
22 USCA 263a.  The memorandum of Understanding, (MOU), between the
Secretary of Treasury, AKA the corporate governor of "The Fund" and "The Bank"
(International Monetary Fund, and the International Bank for
reconstruction and Development), indicated that the Attorney General 
and her associates are soliciting and collecting information for foreign
principals; the international organizations, corporations, and
associations, exemplified by 22 USCA 286f.

According to the 1994 US Government Manual, at page 390, the Attorney
General is the permanent representative to INTERPOL, and the Secretary 
of Treasury is the alternate member.  Under Article 30 of the INTERPOL
constitution, these individuals must expatriate their citizenship.
They serve no allegiance to the United States of America.  The IRS is
paid by "The Fund" and "The Bank."

Thus it appears from the documentary evidence that the Internal Revenue
Sevice agents are "Agents of a Foreign Principle" within the meaning 
and intent of the "Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938" for private,
not public, gain.

The IRS is directed and controlled by the corporate Governor of "The
Fund" and "The Bank." The Federal Reserve Bank and the IRS collection
agency are both privately owned and operated under private statutes.  
The IRS operates under public policy, not Constitutional Law, and in the
interest of our nations foreign creditors.

The Constitution only permits Congress to lay and collect taxes.  It
does not authorize Congress to delegate the tax collection power to a
private corporation, which collects our taxes for a private bank, the Federal
Reserve, who then deposits it into the Treasury of the IMF.

The IRS is not allowed to state that they collect taxes for the United
States Treasury.  They only refer to "The Treasury."

PC magazine reported that the Clinton Administration lawyers are
preparing executive orders to connect ALL private bank accounts and
banking cards directly to the IRS, Treasury and Federal Reserve
Computers.

"A society of sheep must, in time, beget a government of wolves." --
                                                                          
Bertrand de Juvenal.

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: My New Entitlement - by Walter Williams (fwd)
Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:20:43 PST

On Nov 13, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

My new entitlement 

http://www.jewishworldreview.com

BY APPEARANCE ALONE, no one would 
ever guess that next year I'll celebrate my 65th birthday.

Going by this year's presidential campaign promises, simply by surviving 
65 years I acquire the right to have my prescription drugs paid by 
younger Americans. That's even if that younger person has less wealth 
and income than I. 

Does simply surviving 65 years guarantee me the right to live at the 
expense of young people? Not quite, according to vice presidential 
candidate Sen. Joe Lieberman. Lieberman knows his Bible. He said that 
paying prescription drugs for older Americans is obedience to G-d's law 
revealed to us by Moses. We must "Honour thy father and mother that thy 
days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy G-d giveth thee." 

Lieberman forgot to mention, or he doesn't know, that there's no Tooth 
Fairy or Santa Claus giving the government resources to pay for 
prescription drugs. That means the only way government can give one 
American subsidized prescription drugs is to first confiscate the money 
from some other American. If Rabbi Lieberman just thought about that 
fact he'd recall another commandment, "Thou shalt not steal." Or, maybe 
Lieberman thinks what that commandment really means: "Thou shalt not 
steal unless thou hast a majority vote in Congress." 

Older Americans who want someone else to pay for prescription drugs 
ought to give some thought to the mechanism by which the drugs will be 
provided. That mechanism is revealed by considering the following 
scenario: Suppose a person disagrees that his earnings should go to pay 
prescription drugs for some old coots. He refuses to cough up the money 
to the IRS. What would you have done to him? You say, "The IRS should 
fine him." Suppose he refuses to pay the fine?

You say, "The IRS should take his house." Suppose he refuses to let the 
IRS take his house? You say, "Send armed agents." Suppose he arms 
himself to defend his property from government confiscation -- should 
the government agents then kill him? 

The mechanism by which we'll get our prescription drugs subsidized is 
through threats, intimidation and coercion. Let's think about the Ten 
Commandments again. Do you suppose that while there are biblical 
proscriptions against theft receiving stolen goods is OK? While there 
are no biblical admonitions against being a recipient of stolen 
property, I'd bet the practice doesn't sit right with G-d. 

Why have older Americans resorted to ripping off the young? The simple 
answer is we can and we want to. In the political arena, the rule is: 
dump on people who can't dump back on you. Older Americans vote in large 
numbers. Younger Americans hardly vote at all. Politicians do whatever 
gets them elected and re-elected. 

Becoming 65 next year means I get to live off younger Americans in 
another way -- Social Security. I'll probably receive all that I ever 
put into Social Security in five years or so.

After that, I get to live off young people. The most conservative 
estimates predict Social Security disaster in the 2030s. But if older 
Americans feel threatened by any Social Security proposal that might 
avert the disaster, why should politicians risk their careers by doing 
anything? Neither they nor today's older Americans will be around when 
the disaster arrives, so what do they care? 

I'm healthy; subsidized prescription drugs won't do me much good. I'd be 
willing to forego my prescription drugs if Congress would force some 
young American to mow my lawn.

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: The Will Of The People - SAY WHAT???? (fwd)
Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:23:35 PST

On Nov 13, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

                     THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE

By J. Peter Mulhern


I was disenfranchised.

My vote was counted in every presidential election  between  1976
and  1996.  In the year 2000 I changed my voter registration from
one  Maryland  county  to  another  and  my   name   mysteriously
disappeared from the list of registered voters.

I recently moved from predominantly black and  Democratic  Prince
George's  County  to  predominantly  white  and  Republican  Anne
Arundel County.  I voted in  the  Republican  primary  in  Prince
George's  County  and then filed the paperwork to change my voter
registration to my new address.  Anne Arundel County never got my
name  on  a  list  and  Prince  George's County no longer has any
record of my registration.

At least four other similarly  situated  Bush  voters  were  also
disenfranchised  in  my precinct alone.  We are waiting for Jesse
Jackson and his rent-a-mob to drop by so we can all link arms and
sing We shall Overcome.

The loss of my vote could result from bureaucratic  inefficiency.
Given the rampant corruption of Maryland state government and the
one-party control of that government, fraud is a  more  plausible
explanation.  Either way, the system is badly bent.

So badly bent that anyone claiming to discern the  "will  of  the
people"  in  the  result of a close election should be ashamed of
their demagoguery. Which brings me to the  unseemly  politics  of
the last week.

Contrary to popular belief, we don't have  an  electoral  process
that  reflects  the  will of the people, which is probably a good
thing.  Most of the people don't give a rat's hind end  who  sits
in  the  White  House  as long as the cable company delivers good
reception.

The process by which  we  choose  our  leaders  has  no  inherent
legitimacy.   It  is just a game with rules according to which we
designate winners and losers.  The outcome of the  game  is  only
legitimate  to  the  extent that we all agree it should be.  With
the presidency hanging in the balance and tension rising  on  all
sides  it  is  important  to  remember  this.   Political  crises
generate bad arguments faster than early-bird specials  sell  out
in Fort Lauderdale.  Keeping our bearings should help us identify
the real clunkers.

The worst of the lot is the suggestion that Al  Gore's  dwindling
edge  in  "the  popular  vote"  nationwide gives him some sort of
moral claim to the presidency.

We set up a ballot, we cast the votes, we count  the  votes,  the
candidate  with the most votes wins the electoral votes from each
state.  The candidate with a  majority  of  the  electoral  votes
wins.  That's the game.  This year, George W. Bush won the game.

If Gore wins a plurality  of  the  nationwide  popular  vote  his
supporters  will  grumble  about  the  will  of the people.  They
started doing so even before all the votes were certified.   This
grumbling is just the background noise losers typically generate.

We will never know who got more valid votes from genuine, living,
properly  registered,  U.S.  citizens.  My educated guess is that
netting out the impact of the grosser forms of voter fraud,  Bush
won  the  popular  vote  by  a  significant margin.  We know, for
example, that the Clinton/Gore folks ran the INS as a voter  mill
for years.

I can't establish with mathematical precision the impact of fraud
on Democrat vote totals.  Our commitment to the rules of the game
requires us  to  accept  certified  election  results  as  valid.
Unfortunately,  a certain amount of cheating is part of the game.
Democrats want us to accept the rules of the game for purposes of
establishing  their  vote totals but they want everyone to ignore
the  rules  of  the  game  when  it  comes  to  determining   the
significance of those vote totals.

They can't have it both ways.  Either they accept the  rules  and
the outcomes they generate or they don't.  If they don't, we will
quickly find  ourselves  settling  political  disputes  the  old-
fashioned  way  --  with  violence.  If Democrats attack the game
selectively they will destroy it and ultimately  the  tanks  will
roll.

The rules of the game establish that the nationwide  vote  totals
have no significance.  The Gore people know this so they are busy
trying to steal Florida's electoral votes.

By curious coincidence, Democrats feel  that  "the  will  of  the
people"  entitles them to win in Florida just as it entitles them
to win in the nation.  As I write this, they are expressing their
feelings in two ways.

First, they have requested a recount by hand of ballots  in  some
of  the Florida precincts that voted most heavily for Gore.  This
recount is now underway.  If this recount has any impact  on  the
outcome of the presidential race it will be a travesty.

Essentially Democrats want the vote in their strongest  precincts
counted  more  inclusively  than  the  vote that favors Bush.  It
isn't clear how this would make the vote more likely  to  conform
with the will of the people.

Democrats hope they can convince fallible and  probably  partisan
human  beings  to  include in the final tally votes that machines
could not read.  Any result  based  on  selective  hand  counting
where  most of the vote, and the entire vote in Republican areas,
is counted by machine would be patently fraudulent.  Nobody  will
accept  the  outcome  of a game unless the rules are the same for
everyone.

To recount the entire state by hand would  be  hugely  cumbersome
and would certainly introduce much more error than it cured.  The
best possible tally of the valid votes cast in Florida is already
in and George Bush won it.

The Democrats' other desperate ploy has to do with a challenge to
the  ballot in Palm Beach County that, they say, confused some of
the poor dears who tried to vote for Gore but just  couldn't  get
it  right.   Here  again, the idea is that the will of the people
must prevail.  Apparently a judge is now supposed to  reconstruct
the  intent  of  voters  who  were  too  careless, too blind, too
senile, or too stupid to express their vote clearly on a ballot.

There may have been confusion  in  Palm  Beach  County  but  this
cannot  justify any relief.  There was confusion all over Florida
on Election Day  and  all  over  the  nation.   We  can't  remedy
confusion  in one case where it hurt Gore without remedying every
other case of confusion.  Palm Beach  County  was  not  the  only
place  where  a  surprising  number  of  Floridians  cast invalid
ballots.  Much the same thing happened in Duval  County,  a  Bush
stronghold.   The  process  is badly flawed, but the sort of flaw
the Democrats are complaining  about  in  Palm  Beach  County  is
random and tends to balance out.

Democrats want a perfect world  for  their  candidate  while  the
other  guy  struggles  with  the imperfections of the real world.
They will never get that in court.  Even if they did, the  nation
would  never  accept the court's decision.  I, for one, would set
about organizing a tax strike if Gore gained  the  presidency  on
the strength of such a decision.  The challenge to the Palm Beach
ballot is a non-starter and Democrats know it.

The only possible purpose of that challenge  is  to  make  people
doubt  the  legitimacy of Bush's victory.  It is, in other words,
an attack on the rules of the game.  This is part of a very risky
scheme.   If  the  Democrats  have any decency or shame they will
back off.  Sadly, the last eight years have clearly  demonstrated
that decency and shame are in very short supply among Democrats.

The game is over and  George  W.  Bush  is  the  president-elect.
There  are  still some overseas absentee ballots to be counted in
Florida but given recent history, if those ballots showed  a  big
majority  for Gore that majority would be prima facie evidence of
fraud.  Nothing good can  come  from  disputing  the  controlling
legal authority of an election.

The voters have had  the  last  word  and  it  is  time  for  the
Democrats  to  sit  down and shut up.  Either we play the game by
its rules and accept the outcome or we wind up in the jungle.

Please, Mr. Gore, come back from the edge.


J. Peter Mulhern can be reached at jpmulh@aol.com



  Published in the Nov. 13, 2000 issue of The Washington Weekly
          (http://washington-weekly.com) Copyright 2000

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Cheer Up, It Can't Happen Here! (fwd)
Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:26:32 PST

On Nov 12, J.B. Stone wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

                        How Long Can This Go On?
                       ***How Gorey Can It Get?***

In failing to gather together some of the best minds in my area tonight,
I was confronted with the naked truth of our current plight.  Most folks
are scared and it is causing them to huddle safely away from public
arenas.

They have every right to stay close to home with their families, so I
wasn=92t offended even though I was disappointed.  I chose the most
outspoken, brave members of the community I could think of and invited
them to a brainstorming session on what we could do locally and
nationally to set things right.

Now these are people who I know have recently set foot into the public
arena and are quite outspoken.  They all deferred because they are worn
out with this election flap and know in their hearts and minds that
something very sinister and foreboding has reared its head.

Al Gore, while proving that he is anything but presidential with his
most recent behavior, is not the cause for their concern.  He is central
to the problem, but he had even less to do with creating it than he did
with inventing the Internet.  To be sure, he is a product of a
privileged class and has opportunities made available to him most of us
wouldn=92t dream of.  But he is not the enemy we sense creeping and
slithering in the shadows.

It is the specter of Leftist ideals and the thought of this sickening
agenda actually winning in the long run thereby forever diminishing what
America is meant to be.  Up until now, this has been a creeping fungus
that we could see devouring more impoverished, war-torn nations that we
occasionally might perform some police or relief action in.  It wasn=92t
supposed to come here, to attack us in our homes.

The sly attack didn=92t start last week or even last year.  America has
been slipping down the greasy slope of internal decay for at least 30
years.  It=92s just that seeing the edge of the abyss rushing up at us is
a sight to which we are not accustomed.  This =93deer caught in the
headlights=94 phenomenon is only sought after by poachers.  =93Whatever
works to gain power,=94 has been the battle cry of this socio-economic
guerrilla warfare that has taken many casualties among us.

It is difficult to confront evil directly.  We instinctively do not wish
to gaze upon its abhorrent visage.  The agents of chaos know this very
well and use it quite effectively to confound and confuse and conquer
us.  What they don=92t want you to discover is that once confronted, it is
evil that shrinks and scurries for cover.  The moment you show any
weakness to predatory animals, they attack, but if you stand your ground
and don=92t blink, you can usually gain the upper hand.

The fight or flight mechanism is a survival tool. It is not cowardly to
fear.  However, panic is debilitating and usually leads to poor
choices.  That is exactly what the forces that wish to overthrow this
country by destroying our morale and damaging our Constitution are
counting on.

Anger and frustration are equally easy to manipulate and lead to similar
poor decision making capability.  Our enemies are counting on that
also.  But you can channel that emotional porridge into positive action.

Fight for what you believe in and do it now.  Pay particular attention
to any victories you may have helped precipitate of late and
congratulate those that cooperated with you to reach your goal.  If you
got a candidate into office that really needed to be elected, take stock
in the effort that brought about the win.  Any personal goal attained
has as its reward a feeling of satisfaction.  Dwell on that for a moment
and see if it helps quell that vague worry you=92re having over our
future.

Do not deny yourself the feeling of accomplishment and integration that
participating in freedom brings.   You deserve the benefit of your
actions that caused the result you desired.

Many people are focusing on the divisiveness of the current situation in
Florida without realizing the more positive factors that have come to
light.  We have a near perfect system set up by truly inspired minds
over 225 years ago that still continues to guide us in the proper
direction, if we will only listen to it.

The maps that show the county by county votes in this election prove
that the electoral college, no matter how arcane and confusing, is
necessary to insure that a few powerful individuals cannot control a the
major population centers and thereby exercise tyrannical control over
the rest of us.  The hair splitting finality of the vote counting
mechanism will eventually determine the proper course of action.

Consider the thoughts of Thomas Jefferson on the matter:

"If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization,
it expects what never was and never will be . . . If we are to guard
against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every
American to be informed."

And

"An elected despotism is not the government we fought for."

I find it quite ironic that the Democrats were smugly predicting a
situation in which George Bush might win the popular vote and Al Gore
would win the electoral vote just the week before the election, stating
that we should prepare ourselves to accept that outcome.  But now that
the exact opposite seems to be true, the sincerity has gone out of that
party balloon rather markedly.

Isn=92t it curious that Al Gore spent the last available moments of his
campaign wooing the voters in Florida?  In fact, the way the campaign
was conducted it appears in retrospect that their efforts were focused
on exactly the right socio-economic target groups in all areas of the
country and no energy was expended on areas unlikely to produce
sufficient electoral votes.

It was so well conceived that it would have taken direct polling of
every American in intricate detail and then unlimited access to throngs
of statisticians and veritable armies of data gathering drones to
describe and decipher the entire populace. No one has access to that
kind of data on command.  It just couldn=92t be done over a short period
of time just before the elections, so that the data was current and as
up to date as possible. It would require the authority to demand the
information and that would be hard to come by since most people would
reject to that sort of intrusion.  Many would refuse, and rightfully so,
to being openly manipulated like that.

What campaign has the funding and manpower to create their own Census
Bureau?  Besides that, the head count demanded by the Constitution
wouldn=92t produce the kind of data necessary to exert such finite
control.  It would have to be expanded to ridiculous lengths and then
hurried through at record pace to serve that purpose.

It=92s a moot point anyway, because you wouldn=92t be able to get the entir=
e
country to fall for such a transparent ruse.  That just couldn=92t happen,
not in America.

So, cheer up!

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: larry ball 
Subject: Revocation of Independence
Date: 15 Nov 2000 14:12:14 -0600

What say you all -- This?


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From: larry ball 
Subject: Notice of Revocation
Date: 15 Nov 2000 14:35:37 -0600

I forgot to attach this earlier.  Sorry.  This comes from a Canadian
discussion group I am a member of.




>Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:05:22 EST
>Subject: Finally, a solution is at hand.


NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE
To the citizens of the United States of America, In the light of your
failure to elect a President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves,
we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective
today.
Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchial duties
over all states, commonwealths and other territories. Except Utah, which

she does not fancy. Your new prime minister (The rt. hon. Tony Blair, MP

for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a
world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America without
the
need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A

questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of
you noticed.
To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following
rules are introduced with immediate effect:

1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary.
Then look up "aluminium". Check the pronunciation guide. You will be
amazed
at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. Generally, you should
raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. Look up "vocabulary". Using
the
same twenty seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like"
and
"you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication.
Look
up "interspersed".

2. There is no such thing as "US English". We will let Microsoft know
on your behalf.

3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents.
 It really isn't that hard.

4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as
the good guys.

5. You should relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The
Queen",
but only after fully carrying out task 1. We would not want you to get
confused and give up half way through.

 6. You should stop playing American "football". There is only one kind
of football. What you refer to as American "football" is not a very good

game.

The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your
borders
may have noticed that no one else plays "American" football. You will
no longer be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper
football.
Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls. It is a
difficult
game.

Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby
(which is similar to American "football", but does not involve  stopping

for
a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like
nancies). We are hoping to get together at least a US rugby sevens
side by 2005.

7. You should declare war on Quebec and France, using nuclear weapons
if they give you any merde. The 98.85% of you who were not aware that
 there is a world outside your borders should count yourselves lucky.
The
Russians have never been the bad guys. "Merde" is French for "shit".

8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 8th will be a new
national holiday, but only in England. It will be called "Indecisive
Day".

9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and it is for
your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we

mean.

10. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us crazy.

Thank you for your cooperation.

A few notes from Chairman Nils:

"Football" is a term that implies the primary use of feet to play (other

than
for mere locomotion). Thus, only what is collquially known as "soccer"
will qualify.
The current British AND American forms will be lumped together with Pro
Wrestling,
where they belong.

"Merde" is a short form of "Mort de Dieu" (see e.g. "The Three
Musqueteers"),
and is thus profane, probably  blasphemous and possibly heretical,
but NOT scatological, as the writer would have you believe.

The metal "Al", should, regardless of spelling, be used with great
discretion.
Ask the British Navy.

Best,

Nils

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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Quote of the week (fwd)
Date: 15 Nov 2000 17:20:14 PST

On Nov 15, lgibson@kih.net wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]


"I'm sorry I ever invented the Electoral College."
Al Gore 11/08/2000


[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Those Missing Military Ballots........FUBAR (fwd)
Date: 15 Nov 2000 17:22:06 PST

On Nov 15, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

BOB'S NOTE:  BACK IN THE "GOOD OLE DAYS" WHEN I WAS
FLYING IN SAC (Strategic Air Command) WE HAD A SAYING:
"NOTHING IS TOO GOOD FOR THE MILITARY MEN - AND THAT'S
USUALLY WHAT THEY GOT - NOTHING".
WHAT A MESS.....................................Bob (WITH A SARCASTIC GRIN)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/20001115_xex_navy_flying_.shtml"

Navy flying home 3,000 lost ballots

Ship captain: 'A majority of the pilots
aboard are registered voters in Florida'

=A9 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

At least one major instance of missing overseas military ballots --
involving some 3,000 absentee votes -- appears to be on its way=20
to resolution.

WorldNetDaily reported yesterday that a source on the USS=20
Tarawa, a U.S. Navy destroyer near Yemen, said that=20
"thousands" of absentee ballots were languishing onboard.

The Navy has now confirmed bundles of overseas ballots left behind --
not on one, but three ships in the Persian Gulf region. According to=20
a New York Post account, Cmdr. Greg Smith, a Navy spokesman,=20
said the ballots of some 3,000 sailors and Marines on the USS=20
Tarawa, USS Deleuth and USS Anchorage would be flown back=20
to the United States "expeditiously."

Before the discovery of missing Navy ballots, Defense Department spokesman
Kenneth Bacon and Navy Lt. Dave Gai had both criticized WorldNetDaily --
Bacon publicly at a press briefing -- for its reporting on this issue. Bacon
referred to WND's initial story as "ludicrous" for reporting that some
servicemen and women suspect the Clinton administration may have somehow
purposely delayed sending absentee ballots to military personnel overseas
because most historically vote Republican. Gai, the Pentagon spokesman quote=
d
in two of WND's stories, had previously said he was "not aware of any
large-scale problems." Nevertheless, the newssite's reports caught the
attention of Rep. Joe Scarborough, R-Fla., who is now calling for a
congressional investigation into the issue.

In yesterday's WND report, Oregonian Judy Krutsinger, whose brother-in-law i=
s
stationed onboard the Tarawa, said that although the Pentagon had reportedly
contacted Florida election officials to inform them that mail from all area
warships had been picked up Nov. 7, her relative aboard the Tarawa denied=20
that.

"We e-mailed [him] aboard ship about that. ... [H]e e-mailed back saying[the
mailbags] are still onboard," Krutsinger told WorldNetDaily. She said the
mail was contained in orange bags on 17 pallets and that "ballots were not
separated from regular mail, as they should have been."

A United Press International account reported comments from a Marine Corps
captain from the Tarawa who helped evacuate the dead and injured from the
USS Cole after it was attacked by terrorists on Oct. 12.

Capt. Van P. Brinson, who did not receive his absentee ballot, wrote in a
Nov. 8 e-mail: "I cannot speak for the remainder of the crew of the Tarawa,
but I do know that the majority of the Marines and sailors that I have spoke=
n
with are in the same boat. What is distressing about the situation," he
added, "is that a majority of the pilots aboard are registered voters in=20
Florida."

Florida law requires that overseas ballots be postmarked by Election Day,
and Friday midnight is the deadline for the state's 67 counties to receive
them.

Now that the large cache of ballots has been found, "all we're trying to do
is see if there's a way to get the mail there," Smith said in the Post story=
.

Smith explained that the reason the shipboard mail was forgotten was because
the three West Coast-based ships were preoccupied assisting the stricken Col=
e
after it was bombed last month.

Once someone realized that the mail contained time-sensitive ballots -- whos=
e
importance is now increased dramatically because of the historically close
race -- the Navy agreed to fly the ballots to the U.S. post haste.

Meanwhile, stateside, the U.S. Postal Service says it is fast-tracking
military overseas ballots destined for Florida -- promising to get them to
the 67 county election departments the same day they arrive in the U.S., the
Post reported.

The ballots are being processed by postal employees at the Air Mail Center
near Miami International Airport, according to an Associated Press report,
where all overseas military mail sent to the United States arrives.

Ballots destined for South Florida counties are being driven to the
appropriate post offices for same-day delivery, while those earmarked for
north and central Florida counties are flown to regional mail centers, then
forwarded to the local post office for delivery to election officials.

According to the AP story, as of Monday the postal service had delivered 446
military overseas ballots to Florida since Nov. 8. An unofficial Associated
Press survey of 64 of Florida's 67 election supervisors showed that more tha=
n
19,300 overseas ballots had been mailed from the state. While over 10,000 ha=
d
been returned -- and most of those already counted -- officials could not sa=
y
how many ballots were still outstanding.

Many service personnel and their families have complained to WorldNetDaily
that their ballots were sent to them by fourth class "bulk mail" -- which ca=
n
delay delivery by a month or more -- instead of first class. Many others
claim they never received their ballots at all.

For those stationed on the Cole, Deleuth and Anchorage, at least, their vote=
s
seem to be on their way home.

"We understand the urgency of this situation and realize that the entire
presidential election could rest on these ballots," said postal service
spokeswoman Enola C. Rice yesterday, said the AP report.

Read Joseph Farah's column today, "Those missing military ballots."

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: ARIZONA GUN DEALER RAIDED AGAIN!! (fwd)
Date: 15 Nov 2000 17:23:48 PST

On Nov 15, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

My Dear Friend, Reinhold,

It is so very sad - pathetically so - that our Goyem Sheeple 
have not yet learned that our "servant government" does not 
recognize any communications that does not come at them 
at A MINIMUM OF 2800 FEET PER SECOND.  Until we 
start making widows of their wives, nothing will be 
accomplished. NOTHING!

So, until they do......

WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER - EXPECT NO MERCY!!!

Respectfully,
Bob


MORE WARNINGS

Reinhold

ARIZONA GUN DEALER RAIDED AGAIN!!

http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com

Arizona Gun Dealer Raided a Second Time
BATF Thieves Strike Again.
This time it was over ammunition.
by Angel Shamaya
Director, KeepAndBearArms.com
15 November 2000

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=

914

Jerry Michel of Specialty Firearms in Mesa, 
Arizona was raided on October 25. As the Bureau 
of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms was stealing 
274 guns valuing over $300,000, he was told he'd 
failed to secure a $100 "pawn permit."  After 
looking over the Statement of Probable Cause he 
and I picked up at the federal courthouse in 
downtown Phoenix, we discovered that they'd also 
accused him of conducting strawman sales, as well.  

(A strawman sale is a sale in which a buyer purchases 
a firearm and makes it known to the licensed dealer 
that the gun is actually being purchased by another 
person.) Such a sale, says Mr. Michel, never happened 
in his shop. Ever.

The BATF -- Stomper of Liberty and Strangler of 
Freedom and the Constitution -- behaved in very 
unAmerican ways on that day. You can read the 
original report and the follow-up report on 
KeepAndBearArms.com. (Links below)

And now the "taxing agency" who has killed and 
imprisoned quite a few people over technical gun 
violations has raided this man -- a man who 
heretofore had not even a parking ticket to his 
name -- a second time.

This event took place on Friday, 10 Nov 2000. 
Jerry dropped by his ransacked store to take 
care of some very brief business Monday afternoon. 
Though he has felt uncomfortable being in his 
store since he was first assaulted, handcuffed, 
interrogated, lied to and about and after being 
forced to watch 30 or so armed "men" steal his 
life's gun collection, he stopped by the store 
anyway. He went in, locked the door and proceeded 
to the back of the store. Within a minute or two, 
the police began pounding on the door, saying, 
"Open up! Police!"

Within moments, Jerry was whisked outside, frisked 
in front of his store and taken inside, all the while 
befuddled as to what these folks were doing -- and why.

In a word: ammunition.

Yes, ammunition.

Jerry Michel was accused of manufacturing ammunition 
for resale without a license. The BATF confiscated 
-- this past Friday afternoon -- approximately 30,000+ 
rounds of ammunition, kegs of powder, cases of bullets 
in various calibers, primers, shell casings, etc. 
etc. -- ammo stuff.  

Jerry guesses the value of everything these agents 
stole from him to be approximately $30,000.

Funny thing is, Jerry doesn't sell the ammo he reloads 
from scratch. Never has. The only reloads he sells are 
those he purchases in quantities from licensed 
ammunition manufacturers. That was Jerry's personal 
ammo, for personal use. 

One of the 8 BATF agents who committed this latest 
assault against Jerry Michel told him he doubted that 
Jerry could possibly have so much ammunition for 
personal consumption. When Jerry explained that he 
sometimes shoots 10,000 rounds in a month's time, he 
was talking to a wall -- a wall who doesn't understand 
that some people shoot up as much ammunition as they 
can afford, simply because they enjoy shooting.

To illustrate just how ridiculous this latest assault 
against good-natured Jerry is, I tell you the 
following, and I urge you to read it twice: 

The BATF confiscated 15,000 rounds of reloads Jerry 
recently purchased, directly from a friend who works 
at Dillon Precision.  (We are fortunate enough to have 
Dillon's here locally, so it's a quick jaunt over to 
see Mike Dillon and company to get all kinds of 
reloading supplies and equipment.) This ammo was in 
army cans in the back of the store -- in the area 
Jerry has for two years considered his home...his 
living quarters.

This rogue agency also confiscated (stole, swiped, 
transferred ownership unlawfully, absconded with, 
snagged, robbed, took without remuneration) reloads 
that Jerry has had in his possession dating as far 
back as 1974.

You read that correctly.

No, he wasn't arrested this time either.  (In case 
you missed the previous reports, the first BATF 
assault on Jerry Michel -- which followed an 8 month 
investigation that involved at least 5 undercover (as 
in, imposter) agents -- never resulted in an arrest, 
or any charges. The same holds true in this latest 
harassment.

You getting this? The scumbags (bags filled with scum) 
did it over AMMO. 

John Arbon of CPHV.com and longtime friend of Jerry 
Michel called the BATF the other day to find out when 
they'd be returning Jerry's stolen property. Many of 
those 274 guns are owned by Jerry's friends -- and his 
customers -- and a great many of them are a part of his 
own personal collection, as well. 

They told him they'd be keeping them for 6 months 
to a year, "as evidence."

No more "evidence" is required to understand who the 
BATF is. They are the modern day Nazis. They are the 
henchmen of the 21st century doing the bidding of 
tyrants. They are enemies of our beloved nation, and 
they are stepping up their efforts to eliminate gun 
dealers in a very calculated and systematic 
methodology that looks very much like targeted 
eradication. 

Since Jerry's first raid on October 25th, two more 
raids have happened in Arizona, and God knows how 
many have happened elsewhere. We haven't been able 
to make contact with the recently-raided Arizona 
dealer, or with the Arizona citizen who was charged 
with "trading without a license", but we'd like to 
help them -- ASAP. Any information you have about 
their situations, please post it in our online 
user-publication form here:

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNPAdd.asp

I know quite a few people who reload ammunition for 
their friends. In fact, I give my empties to friends 
from time to time to have them reload for me, as well. 
I buy reloaded ammunition from people who don't have 
this fancy "ammunition manufacturing license."

Judging by this latest BATF farce, my friends and I 
must be engaging in some "illegal" ammunition dealing...
so is BATF going to come and get me now? Are they going 
to swing by my house, kick my door in, and come and 
cuff me to a chair while they steal MY stuff? Are they 
going to bring their unregistered, unregulated, fully 
automatic HK-MP5's -- any time they please -- to assault 
me for buying reloaded ammunition? If so, it is 
recommended that they knock first. My private property 
is my domain. If someone comes into my home uninvited, 
they are -- according to state "lethal force" laws 
-- instantly shootable.

What really amazes me is this: since our first report 
and our follow-up report, and since Neal Knox's writeup 
on the assault against Jerry Michel, Jerry has received 
a whopping $65 for his legal defense. Sixty-five dollars. 
Bizarre. I know guys who shoot up more than $65 worth 
of ammo in one day -- in the same town where Jerry is 
being taken on a one-way ride to Gun Owner Hell.

If everyone who reads this report would send Jerry 
$1 or $2, he'd have enough to cover the first phase 
of the legal proceedings just fine. If you happen to 
have a dollar bill in your back pocket, trust me; 
it's better invested on behalf of Jerry Michel than 
on the extra few rounds at the range this week.  
Jerry Michel, Specialty Firearms: (480) 962-0913  
1055 N. Mesa Drive, Mesa Arizona 85201.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Previous Reports of The BATF Slimebuckets' 
Raids on Jerry Michel:

ATF Rips Off Another Gun Dealer in Arizona
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=

834

Follow-up on the Assault on the Arizona Gun Dealer
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=

854

~~~~~~~~~~~

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If you haven't joined us yet, today is
a good day to do so.
http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com/CustAccount

We have free email reports for the asking.
http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com

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--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [Fratrum] IBT (fwd)
Date: 15 Nov 2000 19:09:45 PST

On Nov 15, Margi Crook wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

        GOD IS MOVING IN INDIANAPOLIS!!
   Date:
        Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:32:56 -0600
   From:
        Freedom Page 
     To:
        jhardin@mindspring.com


Friends,

This is a follow up on the last article.

Jim Hardin

The Freedom Page
http://www.freedompage.ws
To receive Freedom Page mail, put "Subscribe"
as subject to freedompage@mindspring.com
To be removed, put "Remove" as subject.

Alabama Committee To Get Us Out of the UN
http://themustardseed.home.mindspring.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 1:48 PM

Dear Friends,

GOD IS MOVING HERE IN INDIANAPOLIS!!

I am here at the Indianapolis Baptist Temple, which the Federal Marshals

were supposed to seize yesterday at noon. They did not come, and gave a
press conference yesterday afternoon saying that they wanted to wait for

everyone to leave.

NOBODY IS LEAVING!!

There is a move of God happenening here. Preachers from around the
country
have arrived, ready to go to jail if necessary to STAND AGAINST THE
STEALING
OF A CHURCH by the federal government. At noon yesterday, amost 1,000
PEOPLE
STOOD READY TO PASSIVELY WITNESS AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT'S TAKING OF A
NEW
TESTAMENT CHURCH!!

Many of you know I left Beverly and my nine children at home to continue
the
witness at Planned Parenthood, while I came here to stand in defense of
the
Indianapolis Baptist Temple.

THERE IS A MOVE OF GOD AFOOT HERE! People are beginning to come from all

over the country to stand with IBT. CMA, the Christian Motorcyclist
Association has riders coming in from all over, ministers and plain ole'

Christian folk are headed here. The story broke last night on all four
networks and CNN. Folks are beginning to call up the church and say they
are
coming.

Colonel Bo Gritz, former Green Beret and negotiator in the federal seige
at
Ruby Ridge is here with us. I did his radio show with him yesterday
morning
from the platform of the church. He is committed to staying the course
with
us here. I have done many interviews while here, and the word is truly
going
out.

The IRS has confirmed that this is the first time in American history
that
it has seized a church over a tax issue. But all taxes were paid to the
IRS
by the individual ministers of the IBT. They were owed NOTHING.

NOW IS THE TIME TO STAND!! If we will not be willing to stand when the
government is stealing a church, will we stand for anything??

PLEASE COME TO INDIANAPOLIS!! BE PART OF A NATIONAL WITNESS FOR CHRIST!!

Bring a bedroll and your Bible and be prepared for a time of REVIVAL!

You can call IBT for directions: (317) 787-0830

I have borrowed a cell phone and you can call me if you are seriously
considering it, but have questions: (540)730-4427.

PLEASE PRAY ABOUT COMING OUT HERE RIGHT AWAY!! You will be part of an
exciting move of God and a NATIONAL PUBLIC WITNESS FOR CHRIST AND HIS
CHURCH!!

Please do not respond to this email directly. I have forwarded this to
my
wife, and she will not be able to answer your specific questions. Call
me if
you need to.

I VIEW THIS AS IMPORTANT AS ANY OPERATION RESCUE THAT I'VE EVER DONE.
This

50-year-old church has led thousands upon thousands of folks to a saving

knowledge of Christ, as many as were called. Please help us stand with
them
NOW!

PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO EVERYONE ON YOUR LISTS!!

Your friend and servant of Christ,

Rev. Bruce Evan Murch

Interested in Constitutional Issues? Checkout The Freedom Page radio
show
audio tapes.  Just click:
http://freedompage.home.mindspring.com/store.html

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Re: Class action suit on behalf of all military personnel (fwd)
Date: 17 Nov 2000 15:29:04 PST

On Nov 16, Charles C. Carter wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

PLEASE ROUTE ASAP!
American Patriot Friends Network wrote:

> NETWORK - NETWORK - NETWORK - NETWORK - NETWORK - NETWORK
> http://www.apfn.org/apfn/apfncont.htm
>
> Class action suit on behalf of all military personnel
> http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb1075995
>
>  Thursday, 16-Nov-00 11:45:25
>
>       24.14.28.77 writes:
>
>       I am planning to file a class action suit on behalf of all military
> personnel who requested ballots and did not receive them in time to vote -
> or at all. I need sworn affidavits from all of those parties faxed to my
> office after they have them notarized. The affidavits must simple state
> that they requested the ballot through the proper channels and did not
> receive it. A certified receipt from the post office would be helpful,
> showing when it was ordered. Our fax is (210) 227-4229 and phone is
> 210) 224-1923. I plan on filing this case Monday, so time is of the
> essence.
>
>       Sincerely, Philip E. Jones, Attorney at Law,
>       126 East Main Plaza, San Antonio, Texas 78205
>
>       Philip E. Jones
>       philipejones@earthlink.net
> ==========================================================================
> Who Knocked-Up Them Chads?
> http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb1075995
>
> Out of the ashes shall arise: Liberty
> http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb1075995
>
> GOD IS MOVING IN INDIANAPOLIS!!
> http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb1075995
>
> Traitors to the Constitution
> http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb1075995
>
> ALL AMERICANS NEED TO READ THIS
> http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb1075995
>
> Myth of the 'Will of the People'
> http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb1075995
>
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> http://www.apfn.org/apfn/contributions.htm

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Roads (fwd)
Date: 17 Nov 2000 15:27:58 PST

On Nov 17, Margi Crook wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

Instant Wilderness: When a Road is not a Road
          By Don Fife and Ralph Pray - Posted: 11.16.00

   A strange thing is happening in Washington, D.C. these days. Roads
are disappearing ... on paper! Old wagon roads, now dirt  roads,
considered by back country travelers for centuries to be the main
thoroughfare from point to point anywhere in the western states, are
being redefined as a "non-roads" or "ways,"    apparently in order to
reclassify the surrounding land as "roadless" and therefore, eligible
for Wilderness Study consideration. The Clinton-Gore administration is
proposing closure of 400,000 miles of back country roads on 60,000,000
acres on national forest lands. Are these roadways "roads" or not? The
U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) published official maps  for more than 80
years before the 1964 Wilderness Act. In 1964,  five classes of roads
were defined by the Survey . Their    definition of a road in 1964 was
what Congress intended when  the Act used the terms "road" and
"roadless."
   The five classes are:
   Class 1: primary highway, federal and state,
   Class 2: secondary highway, state and county,
   Class 3: light duty, paved or improved,
   Class 4: unimproved, unsurfaced, including track roads in back
   country, designated on maps by two parallel dashed lines, and
   Class 5: trails (single dashed line), roads passable only with a
4-wheel drive vehicle; also called Jeep trails.
   Today, for every mile of primary, secondary, and light duty  roadway
in the west, there are 50 to 100 miles of unimproved, track (Class 4)
roads. This type of road is commonly a primitive road, frequently of
just two tracks, but it is the principal type of road to most of the
back country. Thousands of miles of Class 4 and 5 roads, once wagon
roads, exist in the west and still see daily auto traffic.
   However, these "Back Country Freeways" are losing their centuries-old

status in the name of wilderness protection.  According to the 1964
Wilderness Act (PL88-577), no land can  be designated a Wilderness Area
unless it is "roadless." The Wilderness provision of the Federal Land
Policy & Management Act (PL94-579) specified a Wilderness Area to be
5,000 acres or more and stipulated that it be "roadless," meaning that
no "roads" could be contained within a 5,000-acre parcel, or it could
not be considered for Wilderness. The Wilderness Act was    passed to
isolate a few mountain tops and a few million acres as "untrammeled,
undeveloped, primeval federal land having no permanent improvements."
Why have these roads be hidden or ignored? How has this been
accomplished?
   In the 1970's, pro-wilderness bureaucrats and their radical
environmental allies redefined the term "road" on federal lands to mean
only those" graded or maintained by mechanical equipment on a regular
basis." This conveniently made additional millions of acres filled with
existing Class 4 roads, presently utilized by recreationists, miners,
and ranchers susceptible to consideration for Wilderness withdrawal.
This makes Class 3 roads the most primitive of remaining auto routes.
The unimproved dirt roads and jeep trails are defined into oblivion. In
effect, they have been "wiped off" the legislative map. Since these
roads technicality do not exist, the land is now available for
Wilderness designation.
   The BLM executed the new definition and arbitrarily redefined the
word "road" carrying out the delusion that a road is not a road. The BLM

stated that "within these inventoried areas there are frequently a
number of ways and trails which no longer   qualify as roads, although
they are used as routes of travel."
   This description sounds very much like they are referring to USGS
Class 4 and 5 roads. The BLM also said: "A way maintained solely by the
passage of vehicles does not constitute a road."
   The Clinton-Gore administration has ordered the United States Forest
Service (USFS) to apply a similar standard to roads in the National
Forest System threatening to "manufacture" 60,000,000 more acres of
roadless wilderness.
   Their definition has several problems. If a road is of such natural
integrity that periodic grading is not necessary, can it be eliminated
as a road by some planner just because it has not required mechanical
maintenance?
   The BLM and USFS interpretations concerning back country  roads are
inaccurate and self-serving. Millions of acres of the western United
States have been taken from multiple use and public access by the simple

dirty trick of changing the meaning of a word. Class 4 and 5 roads are
human developments, they are permanent improvements. Therefore, the land

containing them cannot and should not be considered as Wilderness under
the 5,000-acre roadless requirement. Apparently, a road is not a road if

a government agency sees it as a candidate for roadless Wilderness. It
all depends on what the meaning of the word "road" is.
http://www.sierratimes.com/eddf111600.htm
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----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Please Volunteer - It's important.......... (fwd)
Date: 18 Nov 2000 09:49:23 PST

On Nov 18, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]


As you are probably aware, if the voting results in Florida stand as
they are now, George W. Bush will be our next President. This will have
catastrophic results on our vital, no, indispensable entertainment
industry.
Barbara Streisand, Martin Sheen, Susan Sarandon, Whoopie Goldberg, Alec
Baldwin, among many others have sworn to leave the country if George W.
Bush is elected President.
And this is where YOU can help.
We need volunteers to help pack and to load moving vans. We also need
volunteers to provide airfare for these irreplaceable national treasures
so they can relocate before they can change their minds.
For the cost of a small SUV you can sponsor one of these celebrities and
their unfortunate relocation. You will know that your efforts are
helping when you receive postcards, letters and pictures from your
chosen "refugee"as they learn to become a useful citizen in the third
world country of their choosing.
You will help, won't you. It costs so little, but it means so much.
Call 1-800-deport-a-lib. Operators are standing by. Major Credit cards
are accepted.

Learn the Definition of Tyranny,  then Resist with All your Might.

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: US Code: no postage or postmark required for military ballots (fwd)
Date: 18 Nov 2000 09:48:18 PST

On Nov 18, shezza@aol.com wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

Military ballots from overseas are not required, by the United States Code 
itself, to have a postmark.  Yet this is the main argument for rejection by 
Democrat operatives in these counting venues.  I am livid.  They are 
willingly and knowingly breaking the LAW that no uniformed absentee voter can 
be deprived of their Constitutional rights in this fashion.  (See below)  
Gore spits on the servicemen and women, and yet wants to be their commander 
in chief?  
~Sheri
>From the U.S. Code: 

    TITLE 39 - POSTAL SERVICE
           PART IV - MAIL MATTER
           CHAPTER 34 - ARMED FORCES AND FREE POSTAGE
           Sec. 3406. Balloting materials under the Uniformed and Overseas
               Citizens Absentee Voting Act
             (a) Balloting materials under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens
           Absentee Voting Act (individually or in bulk) -
               (1) shall be carried expeditiously and free of postage;


    TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
    PART I - CRIMES
    CHAPTER 29 - ELECTIONS AND POLITICAL ACTIVITIES
    Sec. 608. Absent uniformed services voters and overseas voters
      (a) Whoever knowingly deprives or attempts to deprive any person
    of a right under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee
    Voting Act shall be fined in accordance with this title or
    imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [other-side] Message from Colson to the FL Supreme Court (fwd)
Date: 18 Nov 2000 21:50:58 PST

On Nov 18, Jim Moore wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

DO IT!!!!!!!

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 1:13 PM


I thought this "message" to the Supreme Court of Florida was an outstanding
example of "what to do" in light of the naked attempt to steal this election
using whatever means are possible.
Tip

URGENT MESSAGE
>From Charles W. Colson
Chairman, Prison Fellowship Ministries

The Supreme Court of the State of Florida, seven judges, all appointed by
Democratic governors, has, on its own motion, ordered Katherine Harris, the
Florida Secretary of State, not to carry out her statutory duty and announce
on Saturday (Nov. 18, 2000) the winner of the presidential election in
Florida and, thus, the winner of the presidential election.

By what authority does the Court do this? With no appeal before it, the
Court acted on its own motion.

Editorials in Florida have strongly condemned the Court s action. To
challenge a voting process in the courts is to attack the very cardinal
principle of self-government. People have the right to elect their
representatives without judicial interference. If after the process there
are allegations of fraud or questions of statutory interpretation, then the
Court could, in proper order, review it.

What the Court in Florida has done is to inject itself into the very heart
of the self-governing process. This is a case of judicial usurpation, the
arrogance of power of the unelected, black-robed, new leaders of American
society. It is the very thing that I, Robert Bork, Russell Hittinger, Hadley
Arkes, Robert George, and Richard Neuhaus wrote about in the controversial
"End of Democracy" series in the journal First Things in 1996. We warned
then that judges would be usurping the right of the people to govern for
themselves, which is at the very heart of the American political contract
entered into by our Founders.

This not only smacks of judicial usurpation, but it also smacks of
partisanship. The media has been quick to point out that Secretary of State
Katherine Harris, though she is acting on the advice of career officials and
a Democratic law firm, is a partisan. She may well be, but the same media
have said almost nothing about the seven judges.

If we ve learned anything in recent years, it s that judges are as
susceptible to public pressure as anyone else. If anyone wants to register
their protest, they can call any or all of the following:

Chief Justice Charles T. Wells
 850-921-1096

Justice Leander J. Shaw, Jr.
 850-488-0208

Justice Major B. Harding
 850-414-7643

Justice R. Fred Lewis
 850-488-0007

Justice Harry Lee Anstead
 850-488-2281

Justice Barbara J. Pariente
 850-488-8421

Justice Peggy A. Quince
 850-922-5624


Not only are these judges interfering in the electoral process, they are
giving further evidence that we have become a country of the courts, by the
courts, and for the courts. I would not tell anyone what to do, but I ve
made my phone calls.


----

General e-mail for the Florida Supreme Court: supremecourt@flcourts.org
For substantive contact with the Florida Supreme Court: Craig Waters for the
Supreme Court, (850) 414-7641, s/c 994-7641, watersc@flcourts.org

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Re: Pennsylvania Kidnapping (fwd)
Date: 21 Nov 2000 16:51:06 PST

On Nov 21, Gritrid@aol.com wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

Message: 2
   Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:15:31 -0800
   From: "Dianne Miller" 


>From Dianne: 
I just received this from a pastor's wife:

[This appeal was forwarded last week from Fred G. Zaspel (Pastor of 
Word of Life Baptist Church,Pottsville, PA 
)  from a pastor friend of his in 
Massachusetts whose granddaughter was taken away from her mother by 
the state around Nov. 10. She is a homeschooled child, aged 7, who is 
ahead of her age in school, but the charge is educational neglect.  
Please pray for these good people and the larger situation and its 
implications. ]

---

Dear Friends,

        Just an update, to fill you in on what took place, as we have 
talked with our daughter Debbie. 3 came in - 2 men & a woman.  They 
had No court order. When they were asked to see the court order, the 
response was - "we don't need any court order."  There was no 
subpoena, nor any warrant.  They would not allow Debbie to call her 
lawyer.  When John, their son, went to the phone to call the lawyer, 
the DSS worker started screaming at John.
        Marcedes was screaming and crying out,  "noooooo, tomorrow's 
my birthday, I won't be able to see my grandma & grandpa."  They were 
so forceful -- Marcedes screamed so loudly she almost vomited.  The 
one DSS worker screamed at Marcedes & 'barked' orders to her.  
Marcedes was almost hysterical.  They literally ripped Marcedes out of 
Debbie's arms.
        They then proceeded to shove Marcedes & throw her into the car 
they took her away in. (And DSS knows how to handle children??????  If 
we had done that to any of our children, what would have happened to 
us????)
        Sharon, our oldest daughter, and also a home school mom of six 
precious children, called the Homeschool Legal Defense - the woman 
hearing what had taken place broke down & cried -  and said they will 
get back to Sharon as soon as possible.
        We have found out that Marcedes was taken to Greenfield, MA - 
the judge there works hand in hand w/DSS - and is known to be a 
'witch' in breaking up families.
        Dear Ones, we are in a state of shock.  The lawyer will be 
seen tomorrow afternoon and another lawyer, who deals with nothing but 
DSS, will be in on Monday.  Meanwhile, the weekend seems VERY long, 
looming in front of us. Bill has a funeral of one of the member's 
husbands on Monday  afternoon.  YOUR PRAYERS ARE DESPERATELY 
NEEDED!!!!!!  How thankful we can be that even the wicked are under 
God's sovereign hand!

ONLY BY HIS GRACE,
Bill & Marianne Plenge
Rom. 8:28, 29
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11/18/00  Update

Dear Family and Friends in Christ,

         We had a hearing to try to get custody of Debbie's daughter 
back, on November 17, 2000. Due to bureaucratic delay and an arrogant 
Department of Social Services, the hearing was postponed until Nov 
28. During that time, the daughter must languish in a foster home,
even though plenty of family is available to care for her.  This is a 
typical ploy to gain control, and to have time to try to get damaging 
admissions from her by regular interrogation.  Once they get an 
admission that is sufficiently bad, then they will have a pretext to 
keep custody of the child.
        The charges against Debbie are:
1. Prayer-it appears that within a family, prayer is abusive conduct.
2.  Teaching of forgiveness - this also is abusive conduct.
3.  Making a child do housework.

        Debbie's daughter is a very caring, loving child.  She enjoys 
helping and wanted to help her Mommy, who was suffering a back injury, 
get better.  She ASKED her mother, "Mommy, what can I do?"  So she 
helped to do a few chores around the house. This was twisted around to 
mean 'abuse.'  The question put to the little girl was "What do you do 
to help Mommy?" How would your children answer that one?
        Please be aware that the Child Protective Services department 
in every state in the nation now has experimental programs, for which 
they NEED many new children into the system each day.  The more 
children the State has in these programs the more money the State 
receives.  Worse, the federal adoption laws pay big bonuses for every 
child the state can grab, and eventually place for adoption  The state 
can make $25,000 to $250,000 per child per year while they have them 
in captivity, and then more cash when they adopt them out.  This has 
turned social services into a business of stealing and selling 
children for profit.
         Please also be aware:  There is NO Due Process for children 
in this nation.  There are secret trials, without juries, illegal 
searches of homes without a warrant to take children, very little 
proof needed to prove abuse, automatic custody of children given to 
the state, and other atrocities.
          Once they are taken by DSS they can have no representation 
except what DSS approves of. DSS then works with the children to 
manipulate them into saying things that can and will be used against 
the family, or to say, in any way they can, to say "I don't want to go 
home."   When that is said or implied, the child is then put up for 
adoption.  THEN the State gets XXX number of dollars for every child 
from DSS that gets adopted. 
        If you can take the time, please read the attachment on the 
Adoption Law that President Clinton signed into effect in 1997.  If 
you can access Title 42, please read that also.
         The family will return to court Tuesday, Nov. 28th for the 
next court appearance.  We still do not know where the little girl is 
or what they have done to her.  They cruelly let the family know that 
she is "very happy where she is."

WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP?
1.      Pray!
2.      Commit to praying daily for Debbie's daughter Marcedes that 
she will not be manipulated to say things that can hurt her or her 
family. That she will be returned to her mother's arms (she aches 
to hold her again) on the 28th.  That the judge will order her 
returned to her rightful home.
3.      Commit to praying daily for Debbie & Billy ~ as they and each 
of us realize that the battle presents much bigger issues than we at 
first thought.  Debbie realizes that they have come to the kingdom for 
"such a time as this."  (Esther 4:14)
4.      Commit to praying daily for the judge that she will be 
impartial and see the travesty that has taken place here.  (She has 
cancelled her vacation to continue to sit on this case.  We don't know 
if this is favorable or not.)  Pray that she will be compelled to give 
a righteous judgment.
5.      Pray for the lawyer - he needs a special measure of God's 
grace ~ there is so much taking place ~ that he doesn't get distracted 
and can remain focused.
6.      DO NOTHING without the family's AND the lawyers' approval.  We 
need to focus on getting the child home.  THEN we can do the next 
things.
7.      Commit to becoming educated about what is going on in our 
country. Read.  Search out information. Become involved. Realize that 
this IS indeed happening and hurting children and families all across 
this nation of ours. If you have internet service, please check out:
http://www.nationaloutrage.org    http://www.cpswatch.com      
http://www.massoutrage.com

8.      Get involved IN the world around you and be the "salt" and 
"light" you should be.
9.      Encourage those who are going through heartaches and trials 
and don't say, "What did YOU DO?"  Being judgmental at a time like 
this only adds to the burdens and difficulties.  God hasn't 
explained to us what He is doing.  NOR does He HAVE to!  Please 
re-read the charges again! Could YOU be charged with this?
10.      Pray for the extended family that we can be a godly comfort 
and positive help to our kids and precious little granddaughter at 
such a difficult times in their lives.  We all missed out on 
celebrating the little one's birthday.  Now we must all miss her at 
Thanksgiving.
          Thank you for your love and your concern for each of us.  
Please forward this as you prayerfully see fit.  The lawyer approved 
of us writing this letter.  The facts have been verified by him 
and he added some web sites.

Because of Calvary,
Bill & Marianne Plenge

Ps. 62:5.
"Do not be afraid nor dismayed because of this great multitude, for 
the battle is not yours, but God's."  2 Chronicles 20:12

My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus' blood and righteousness.
I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
But wholly trust in Jesus' name.
On Christ the solid rock I stand,
All other ground is sinking sand;
All other ground is sinking sand.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d105:HR00867:@@@L
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.867.ENR:
Parental Notification Amendment Introduced to SB 684 at  
http://www.hslda.org/hslda/stalerts/docs/LA990510.html

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell)
Subject: TWT: Restore The Constitution
Date: 22 Nov 2000 07:23:47 -0600

RESTORE THE CONSTITUTION

Balint Vazsonyl
Balint Vazsonyi is a senior fellow of the Potomac
Foundation.


     Paul Craig Roberts' brilliant mind is a unique
repository for the knowledge and comprehension of legal
history. That alone would make his and Larry Stratton's
detailed survey of the mortal wounds from which our system
of government is bleeding an important publication under any
circumstances. The opportunity to consider his message as
the nation grapples with its presidential election gone sour
is providential.

     Many Americans do not realize how different this
country is from all others. Most of those who do, still fail
to appreciate that our legal foundations account for the
difference. The book appropriately calls them "the Rights of
Englishmen." Alas, at the dawn of the 21st century, few of
our countrymen remember them as the foundation upon which
the American miracle (for it ceased to be an "experiment"
long ago) was built.

     Europe has made incomparable contributions in the realm
of arts and sciences, food and wine, fashions and graceful
conduct. But the countries of the continent have utterly
failed to create a governmental structure that produces
freedom, prosperity, and peace.

     Only societies based on the Rights of Englishmen have
succeeded where Europe has failed. America's worldwide
significance is that those rights have been made accessible
and available to all men, women and children who make their
way over here and commit to living under that umbrella, as
well as the English language which alone provides the key.

     Nevertheless, "The Tyranny of Good Intentions"
highlights the major areas in which our rights have been
systematically eroded. Case after case attests to the
inescapable corruption of lawyers, prosecutors and officials
of the Department of Justice who have long ceased to think
of themselves as officers of the court.

     The title of the final chapter, "What is to be done?"
alludes to V.I. Lenin, of course. But it does not offer much
in the way of a blueprint beyond the suggestion that we
restore the constitutional order. The absence of a more
tangible course of action stems, in my view, from the
initial assumption that Jeremy Bentham, a precocious
youngster turned legal philosopher, himself an Englishman,
has been primarily responsible for two centuries of assaults
on the Rights of Englishmen.

     Bentham may have been the primary force inside the
British legal establishment to combat William Blackstone's
immortal tenets with regard to the law as a guarantor of
liberty. Yet his influence might have remained severely
limited, had not French and German thinkers discovered that
the Rights of Englishmen produced a nation that constantly
stood in the way of their military and intellectual
expansion. How highly the French prized the anti-English
nature of Bentham's stance was expressed by granting the
young scholar French citizenship in 1792.

     Socialism, taken by many for dead, and mistaken by most
as an economic alternative to capitalism, has been the
primary tool of French and German thinkers to combat the
growing hegemony of the English-speaking world.

     Not until we realize that our economic success is a
function of our legal system, and not until we understand
that socialism in all its forms aims to eradicate that legal
system, will we fully comprehend the agenda and the behavior
of socialists from Pierre Proudhon to Karl Marx, from Lenin
to Adolf Hitler, from Martin Heidegger to Hillary Rodham
Clinton.

     And this brings us to the timeliness of this excellent
book. It is customary for members of Congress to take the
oath of office first, and legislate after. History will
record the first instance when a representative declared her
yet-to-be-taken oath of office null and void before taking
it. Senator-elect Hillary Rodham Clinton informed the people
of the United States, "we are a very different country than
we were 200 years ago . . . it's time to do away with the
Electoral College and move to the popular election of our
president."

     Before the promise to protect and defend the
Constitution of the United States, the oath of office
imposes the duty to preserve the same. Mrs. Clinton's
determination to change the way we elect our president
serves unequivocal notice of her intention to take the oath
in vain. That, as well as the current turmoil about the fate
of the presidency, clearly points to the determination of
some, perhaps many, to do away altogether with the
Constitution of the United States.

     Yes, we have the most urgent need of restoring the
constitutional order. To do so, we must be aware of the
extent and the motivation of the forces marshaled against
it, and what their ultimate agenda requires. Then, instead
of trying to deal with the nine-headed hydra of socialism
one head at a time, we will attack the central head which
currently sprouts two replacements for every head slain.

This article was mailed from The Washington Times
(http://www.washtimes.com).
For more great articles, visit us at
http://www.washtimes.com

Copyright (c) 2000 News World Communications, Inc. All
rights reserved.


-- 
Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms")
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From: John Curtis 
Subject: Distress signal
Date: 22 Nov 2000 14:47:37 -0500 (EST)


	A friend and I just went to lunch and came up with the 
	following:

	Let's start a grass-roots effort to fly the U.S. flag 
	upside down, particularly this weekend.

	The Republic is in danger, and its time to show that 
	a broad swath of citizens is aware of the danger.

	jcurtis

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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Sent to FL Gov, SoS, S.Ct. and the FL Legis (fwd)
Date: 22 Nov 2000 14:50:22 PST

On Nov 22, Jurist wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

RKBA Defenders,

Unless the legal opinion issued by the Florida Supreme Court is
different than the one I read, it still provides Florida Secretary of
State Katherine Harris great latitude in rejecting late-reported ballots
if she exercises her discretion in determining that there is sufficient
indicia of wrongdoing to discount their legitimacy.  Nonetheless I urge
all defenders of a just and well-ordered society to exercise your soap
box rights to defend your ballot box rights, so we don't have to resort
to the cartridge box!

This is a letter I have sent to members of the different branches of
Florida government.  While to them it may be a local matter, but what
happens in Florida will have direct effect on your right to keep and
bear arms, among others.

I have included the e-mail addresses which I understand include the
Florida Supreme Court, the Governor, the Secretary of State and the
Legislature.  A lot can happen in five days.  Contact them.

In Liberty,

Rick V.


=============================================================


To the Florida Governor,
To the Florida Secretary of State, 
To the Florida Supreme Court, and
To the Members of the Florida Legislature, 


Honorable Ladies and Gentlemen of the State of Florida,


I write to you as a concerned U.S. citizen, to express my deep
reservations as to the conduct of this presidential campaign, and more
specifically, your respective parts in its aftermath.  As you are by now
well aware, your actions, or failure to act, will have great
repercussions nationally and internationally.

What I do not wish to see happen is to see the results of active and
willful wrongdoing to be given the imprimatur of official approval. 
Freedom and confidence in government rest on the citizen's ability to
trust government.  First and foremost, it is vital to the social compact
between citizen and government that the government itself abide strictly
by the spirit and letter of the law, i.e. -- act justly.


>"Decency, Security and Liberty alike demand that government official shall be subjected to the rules and conduct that are commands to the citizen. In a government of laws, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the laws scru
 -- Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, Olmstead v. United States, 277
US 348, 485 (1928)

On a daily basis new reports detail how handcounts are being used to
generate votes for the Gore camp where there were none: 

- the twisting, poking and manipulation of ballots, tape being placed
under ballots, holding in place chads which had been struck out by Bush
voters, or 'post it' notes covering the face of the ballot which would
have revealed a vote for Bush;  

- possession of 'votamatic' machines in the hands by democratic
operatives, who protested that they still needed to use it (oh???);

- the devination of the 'will of the voter,' like ancient Oracles the
entrails of sacrifices, here in the form of 'pregnant chads,' while
studiously ignoring the clear, bright line of correctly and timely
executed (i.e. lawful) ballots;

- ballot recount stations whose floors become littered by chads which
have somehow become separated from the official ballots, accompanied by
reports of ballot counters now actually *eating* chads to hide the
evidence;

- the vicious decimation of military absentee ballots, whose technical
infirmities came about through no fault of the serviceman-voter
themselves: failure of postmark, or lack of witness, where none is
required on the face of the ballot.  The hypocrisy of the Gore campaign,
whose cry otherwise is that 'every vote should count,' could not have
been made clearer;

- voter fraud by illegal aliens enhanced by voter cards sent out under
the heading of Bill Clinton;

- votes cast by felons;

- ballots for Bush being placed and tallied with Gore votes;

- ballots showing signs of having been manipulated after being left
unguarded overnight.


While there has always been corruption and attempts to rig elections as
long as there have been elections, American citizens have the very
reasonable expectation that a system is in place which will reveal,
correct and punish wrongoing, rather than place the imprimatur of law on
acts of corruption.

I am concerned by the actions of the Supreme Court with regard to the
rightful powers and duties of the Florida Secretary of State.  I am
hopeful that the Court, in light of the questionable conduct of the
manual recount, does not so narrowly construe the rightful discretion of
the Secretary as to trench upon her rightful authority.  The Court must
take special care to avoid appearances of departing from its narrowly
confined authority to say what the law is, not what it **should** be,
since such actions would tend to confirm, rather than allay, charges
that it is following partisan interests and not the law.

It is said that we have four boxes used to guarantee our liberty: The
soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box.  It is
imperative that government follow its own rules and act justly.  If it
acts to disregard its Constitutional restraints it, in effect, nullifies
the vote of Americans by awarding the mantle of authority to those who
have shown through their actions that they will say or do anything to
gain and retain power.  So instead of halting wrongdoing, it becomes
complicit in and itself sullied by it.  

If the citizen sees that the branches of government are complicit in
wrongdoing -- that government does not deem itself to be bound by the
laws we have consented to live under, then this tells the citizen that
law is no longer being used in the just manner, but instead as merely
being construed as a one-way ratchet to aggrandize itself at the cost of
the citizens freedom.  It almost goes without saying, that no citizen is
bound to follow the dictates of a governmental body which itself shows
only contempt for the legal limits placed on its own office.  


>"When **I** use a  word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean-- neither more nor less.'

>'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you **can** make words mean so many different things.'

>'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master----that's all.'

>  -- Lewis Carroll, "Through the Looking Glass."


I urge the Court, the Legislature and the Secretary to abide by your
oaths of office, to eschew partisanship, and to ensure that law, justice
and freedom determine the outcome of this election.  I demand this as a
citizen, as I have right to, just as you are obligated.  

You have all been elected or appointed as champions in law, our fighters
by proxy.  You must stand firm against any and all wrongdoing, with the
Constitution as your guide.


Do not fail us.


Sincerely,


Richard E. Vaughan

 
E-mail addresses

Fl. Governor      fl_gov@myflorida.com, 

Fl. Supreme Ct.      supremecourt@flcourts.org

Fl. Sec. of State   kharris@mail.dos.state.fl.us,
DOE@mail.dos.state.fl.us, 

Fl. Legislature

argenio.art@leg.state.fl.us, casey@afn.org;, hart.chris@leg.state.fl.us,
miller.jeff@leg.state.fl.us, posey.bill@leg.state.fl.us,
pruitt.ken@leg.state.fl.us;, constantine.lee.web@leg.state.fl.us;,
garcia.rudy.web@leg.state.fl.us, peaden.durell.web@leg.state.fl.us,
posey.bill.web@leg.state.fl.us, pruitt.ken.web@leg.state.fl.us,
sanderson.debby.web@leg.state.fl.us,
villalobos.alex.web@leg.state.fl.us;,
albright.george@leg.state.fl.us, alexander.jd@leg.state.fl.us,
andrews.william@leg.state.fl.us, argenziano.nancy@leg.state.fl.us,
arnall.joseph@leg.statefl.us, bainter.stan@leg.state.fl.us,
ball.randy@leg.state.fl.us, barreiro.gustavo@leg.state.fl.us,
bense.allan@leg.state.fl.us, bilirakis.gus@leg.state.fl.us,
bitner.david@leg.state.fl.us, bradley.rudolph.web@leg.state.fl.us,
bronson.irlo.web@leg.state.fl.us, byrd.johnnie@leg.state.fl.us;,
cantens.gaston@leg.state.fl.us, constantine.lee@leg.state.fl.us,
crist.victor@leg.state.fl.us, crow.larry@leg.state.fl.us, 

FEENEY.TOM@LEG.STATE.FL.US, MCKAY.JOHN.WEB@LEG.STATE.FL.US
detert.nancy@leg.state.fl.us, portilla.renier@leg.state.fl.us,
dockery.paula@leg.state.fl.us, farkas.frank@leg.state.fl.us,
fasano.mike@leg.state.fl.us;, feeney.tom@leg.state.fl.us,
fiorentino.heather@leg.state.fl.us, flanagan.mark@leg.state.fl.us,
fuller.james@leg.state.fl.us, futch.howard@leg.state.fl.us,
garcia.rudy@leg.state.fl.us;, gay.greg@leg.state.fl.us,
goode.harry.web@leg.state.fl.us, goodlette.dudley@leg.state.fl.us,
green.carole@leg.state.fl.us, harrington.lindsay@leg.state.fl.us,
johnson.randy@leg.state.fl.us;, jones.dennis@leg.state.fl.us,
kelly.everett.web@leg.state.fl.us, kilmer.bev@leg.state.fl.us,
kyle.bruce@leg.state.fl.us, lacasa.carlos@leg.state.fl.us,
littlefield.ken@leg.state.fl.us, lynn.evelyn@leg.state.fl.us,

Maygarden.Jerry@leg.state.fl.us, melvin.jerry@leg.state.fl.us,
merchant.sharon@leg.state.fl.us, morroni.john@leg.state.fl.us,
murman.sandra@leg.state.fl.us, ogles.mark@leg.state.fl.us,
patterson.pat@leg.state.fl.us, peaden.durell@leg.state.fl.us,
prieguez.manuel@leg.state.fl.us, putnam.adam@leg.state.fl.us,
rojas.luis@leg.state.fl.us, rubio.marco@leg.state.fl.us,
russell.dave@leg.state.fl.us, sanderson.debby@leg.state.fl.us,
sembler.charles@leg.state.fl.us, sorensen.ken@leg.state.fl.us,
spratt.joseph@leg.state.fl.us, starks.bob@leg.state.fl.us,
sublette.bill@leg.state.fl.us, thrasher.john@leg.state.fl.us,
trovillion.allen@leg.state.fl.us, tullis.jim@leg.state.fl.us,
villalobos.alex@leg.state.fl.us, wallace.rob@leg.state.fl.us, 
waters.leslie@leg.state.fl.us, wise.stephen@leg.state.fl.us,
bronson.charlie.web@leg.state.fl.us, brown-waite.g.web@leg.state.fl.us,
burt.locke.web@leg.state.fl.us, carlton.lisa.web@leg.state.fl.us,
clary.charlie.web@leg.state.fl.us;, cowin.anna.web@leg.state.fl.us,
crist.victor.web@leg.state.fl.us, portilla.alex.web@leg.state.fl.us,
king.james.web@leg.state.fl.us, latvala.jack.web@leg.state.fl.us,
laurent.john.web@leg.state.fl.us, lee.tom.web@leg.state.fl.us,
mckay.john.web@leg.state.fl.us, saunders.burt.web@leg.state.fl.us,
sebesta.jim.web@leg.state.fl.us, sullivan.don.web@leg.state.fl.us,
brummer.fred@leg.state.fl.us

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Calhoun Foresaw This (fwd)
Date: 23 Nov 2000 19:59:05 PST

Concurrent Majority, now _there's_ a thought!


On Nov 23, by way of josie bass  wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

Oh,  ye "students" and self-styled supporters and sworn defenders
of our Constitution who are not familiar with John C. Calhoun!!
http://www.mises.org/fullarticle.asp?control=548&month=26&title=Calhoun+Foresaw+This&id=26

  Calhoun Foresaw This

  By Thomas J. DiLorenzo

  [Posted November 13, 2000]

  The county-by-county      [County-by-County Map of the Election Results]
  electoral map published  by USA Today showing that George W. Bush carried 
2,434 counties covering  2.4 million square miles, compared to Al Gore's 
677 counties covering
  about a half million square miles, suggests that the worst fears of 
one  of America's greatest statesman and political philosopher, John C. 
Calhoun, may have finally come true.

  Calhoun is considered to be the last of the founding fathers. From 1810
  to his death in 1850 he served as a member of Congress, secretary of
  war, vice president under presidents John Quincy Adams and Andrew
  Jackson, U.S. Senator from South Carolina, and secretary of state under
  President John Tyler.

   Calhoun's posthumously published essay, "A Disquisition on Government,"
  summarized his thoughts on politics and government and is a true
  masterpiece in political economy. It also has ominous implications for
  America in light of the recent election.

   Calhoun hailed the right of suffrage as "the indispensable and primary
  principle in the foundation of a constitutional government," but warned
  that in order for suffrage to serve this purpose the public must be
  sufficiently enlightened to understand their own rights under the
  Constitution and "the interests of the community," and "to appreciate
  the motives and conduct of those appointed to make and execute the
  laws." On these grounds the American public is failing miserably.

  Knowledge of most parts of the U.S. Constitution is almost nonexistent
  in American society, which has allowed a full-scale assault on
  individual liberty by government; the statist, lapdog media; the
  state-funded universities; and the cultural elites.

  The government schools not only fail to teach about the Constitution;
  they undermine it by brainwashing children with politically-correct,
  statist propaganda. Consequently, an incredible number of Americans
  remain unbelievably naive about the "motives and conduct of those
  appointed to make and execute the laws." The fact that the television
  show "The West Wing," which portrays the executive branch of government
  as comprised of a benevolent, even saintly, band of do-gooders motivated
  only by "the public interest," speaks volumes about the childish
  mentality of many Americans when it comes to government. As Joseph
  Schumpeter observed in 1950, the average citizen "expends less
  disciplined effort on mastering a political problem than he expends on a
  game of bridge."

   Our governmental rulers understand this, which is why they bury us in
  an avalanche of lies and propaganda about their motives and programs. As
  Gore adviser Paul Begala recently stated in frustration: "All this
  insistence on truthfulness on the part of both candidates [Gore and
  Bush] is getting out of control."

   Public ignorance, combined with a massive governmental propaganda
  machine, renders the right of suffrage almost useless in safeguarding
  liberty and assuring that government benefits primarily the ruled and
  not the rulers. Even worse, Calhoun wrote, is the tendency of democratic
  governments to divide the population into two groups: taxpayers and tax
  consumers, with the latter group employing the apparatus of the state
  top plunder the former group.

   "When once formed, the community will be divided into two great
          parties -- a major and minor -- between which there will be
  incessant struggles on the one side to retain, and on the other to
  obtain the majority . . . " Consequently, "some portion of the community
  must pay in taxes more than it receives back in disbursements; while
  another receives in disbursements more than it pays in taxes." The
  community is thus divided into "two great classes; one consisting of
  those who . . . pay the taxes...and the other, of those who are the
  recipients of their proceeds..."

   This is exactly what the USA Today county-by-county electoral map, and
  other post-election data, show. Gore's core support was in the inner
  cities, dominated by welfare recipients (including "affirmative action"
  welfare); the state capitols, around which reside thousands of state and
  local government bureaucrats dependent partly on federal largesse; the
  statist intellectual class which resides largely on the east coast,
  especially in New England; the leftist cultural elite on the California
  coast (the rest of California was solidly Republican); hordes of
  welfare-seeking immigrants, many of whom are illegal, along the Texas
  border; and the environmental zealots of the Pacific Northwest and
  elsewhere. Families earning more than $50,000 annually strongly
  supported George W. Bush, whereas those earning under $30,000 were
  strong supporters of Gore.

  Government has grown so unimpeded that the U.S. is on the precipice of
  being divided almost equally between the taxpaying and tax-consuming
  classes. As Calhoun warned, this could lead to "one class or portion of
  the community [being] elevated to wealth and power, and the other
  depressed to abject poverty and dependence, simply by the fiscal action
  of the government." This, too, seems to have come true in some regards.
  Richard Vedder and Lowell Galloway have shown that wages tend to be
  25-40 percent higher in and around state capitols than in other areas of
  the country, a measure of the extent to which the governing class
  plunders the governed. And the tax burden makes it increasingly
  difficult for lower middle-class families to ascend the economic
  ladder.

  The power to tax in a democracy, warned Calhoun, will inevitably be used
  "for the purpose of aggrandizing and building up one portion of the
  community at the expense of another," which will "give rise to . . .
  violent conflicts and struggles" between the two competing parties."
  There hasn't been any violence in Florida as of this writing, although
  the Gore campaign has been doing its best to start a race war there with
  Jesse Jackson organizing mobs of blacks and telling them that racist
  Republicans have conspired to "disenfranchise" them. Riots are now
  apparently an "acceptable" electoral tactic (and have been since the
  1960s).

  Calhoun was also prescient in foreseeing that the enemies of liberty
  would say anything -- anything -- to dilute the power of the
  Constitution. It is "a great mistake," Calhoun wrote, to suppose that a
  mere written Constitution would be sufficient to protect individual
  liberties because the party in power will always "have no need of
  [constitutional] restrictions" on governmental powers.

  Naive defenders of the Constitution will initially believe that it can
  be protected by "an appeal to reason, truth, justice, or the obligations
  imposed by the Constitution," whereas power-hungry statists will wage a
  perpetual political war against the Constitution with "cunning,
  falsehood, deception, slander, fraud, and gross appeals to the appetites
  of the lowest and most worthless portions of the community" until "the
  restrictions would be ultimately annulled, and the government be
  converted into one of unlimited powers." Does anyone deny that this is
  essentially the situation that U.S. citizens now find themselves in?

  Calhoun's suggested antidote to the evil of unlimited government was
  what he called the "concurrent majority." Under this system any
  community of citizens, including a state or some other group, would be
  given the right to veto federal legislation that it believed was
  unconstitutional and destructive of its constitutional rights. Calhoun
  believed that the concurrent majority would stop political plunder in
  its tracks and limit government to its constitutional functions.

  The concurrent majority is a form of nullification, which existed in the
  U.S. until 1861 and was championed by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison
  in the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions.

  We had better begin seriously considering nullification, peaceful
  secession, and every other means possible of checking the ability of the
  federal government to loot the taxpaying population. For if the Left
  succeeds in achieving open borders, combined with a growing welfare
  state, then every penny of every American's wealth and income will be up
  for grabs to be distributed not only to other Americans, but to welfare
  leaches from all corners of the globe.

  --------

   Thomas DiLorenzo is a professor of economcs in the Sellinger School of
  Business and Management at Loyola College in Baltimore. See his archive
  or send him MAIL.


       518 W. Magnolia Avenue
       Auburn, Alabama 36832-4528
       (334) 321-2100 -- Phone
       (334) 321-2119 -- Fax
       mail@mises.org

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: History channel poll (fwd)
Date: 25 Nov 2000 03:27:49 PST

On Nov 25, Neil Dickey wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

For those who are interested in such things, The History Channel is running
a poll with the question:  "Are you in favor of stricter gun control?"  The
URL is:

  http://www.historychannel.com

The poll is running our way at this moment, 77% to 23%, but we all know that
every vote counts.  The History Channel would be a particularly good venue in
which to have such a poll go very heavily our way.

The opinions which I have expressed herein are entirely my own, unless other-
wise noted.  No-one else should be held responsible for what I think.

|                            |                                             |
| D. N. Dickey               |  Virtuous motives, trammeled by inertia and |
| Research Associate         |  timidity, are no match for armed and       |
| Northern Illinois Univ.    |  resolute wickedness.                       |
| neil@earth.geol.niu.edu    |                       - W. S. Churchill     |
|                            |                                             |

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--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Indianapolis Baptist Temple web site (fwd)
Date: 25 Nov 2000 13:19:42 PST

On Nov 25, Dave wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

Indianapolis Police Department AND the Marion County Sheriff's
Department have told IBT unequivocally that THEY REFUSE TO BE
INVOLVED WITH THE SEIZURE OF THE CHURCH!

Indianapolis Baptist Temple
http://www.indianapolisbaptisttemple.com/index2.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

INDIANAPOLIS BAPTIST TEMPLE DAY THREE!!
Saturday, 18-Nov-00 11:49:15 

Friends and brothers and sisters in Christ,

Even now, folks are preparing to come and join us at the
Indianapolis Baptist Temple from all over the nation.

The U.S. Marshal Service has not come to seize this this place,
but THERE WAS AN ASTONISHING DEVELOPMENT THIS MORNING! The
Indianapolis Police Department AND the Marion County Sheriff's
Department have told IBT unequivocally that THEY REFUSE TO BE
INVOLVED WITH THE SEIZURE OF THE CHURCH! This is a major
development in our favor.

In addition, a U.S. Marshal in plain clothes came up to Colonel
Bo Gritz this morning. He handed him a miniature replica of a U.S.
Marshal's badge and told him, "There's a lot of guys down there
(at headquarters) that don't want to have anything to do with
this". Clearly they are very disturbed at the prospect of
carrying a pastor and many, many Christians out the front door of
this church with the world watching. The media has stayed with us
around the clock, and treated this story very fairly.

Let me underscore: IBT OWES NO TAXES. This is a false claim, and is
documentable. This case is NOT ABOUT TAXES,IT IS ABOUT THE ABILITY
OF THE GOVERNMENT TO CONTROL THE CHURCH.

PASTORS, MINISTERS, STREET PREACHERS, ACTIVISTS--HEAR MY PLEA!!

If the government can do this to IBT, THEY CAN DO THIS TO YOUR CHURCH,
OR they can dictate what you preach from the pulpit. They are already
charging some of us with "hate crimes" when we preach against sodomy
and abortion. If they establish this precedent, they will intimidate
EVERY church and EVERY pastor into conforming the church's message to
government edicts for fear of them stealing their properties. They
have already silenced the "tax-exempt" 501 (c)(3) churches on many
subjects, threateneing loss of "tax-exemption".

YE MEN OF GOD, ARISE!! If ever there was a time to stand against the
tide of evil this corrupt government has washed over this land, IT IS
NOW! COME TO INDIANAPOLIS AND STAND WITH US!

You rabid street preachers (not unlike myself) COME JOIN ME. I need
you to join the other 30 ministers that are already here. We need men
of backbone and Godly character and steel to stand with us.

FOR CONSTANTLY UPDATED INFORMATION ON THIS SITUATION, GO TO:

http://www.indianapolisbaptisttemple.com

If you are considering coming, but need to speak to me, call:
540/730-4427

If you are media and want a report from inside IBT, call the number
above as well.

My friends, this is the opportunity of a lifetime to stand with
Christians as a national public witness against evil and for the
glory of Christ and His church. Please prayerfully consider joining
us as soon as possible.

A servant of Christ,
Rev. Bruce Evan Murch

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: IBT (fwd)
Date: 25 Nov 2000 21:28:55 PST

On Nov 25, Margi Crook wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

CC: "Colleen (Dr.  Dixon's secretary)"


I found this on the internet today.  It is an online survey being
conducted by
Indianapolis' channel 6 news asking "Do you agree with the seizure of
the
Baptist Temple." I voted no.  So far the "yes" votes are leading.
Encourage
the IBT members and others to vote: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/

Keep the faith, Ed DeVries

IBT webpage:  http://www.indianapolisbaptisttemple.com/index2.html

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Re: IBT poll standing now (fwd)
Date: 27 Nov 2000 00:13:49 PST

On Nov 26, Mike Wimbish wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

Well, the polls have turned for the IBT. As of this moment, the
"no" votes are leading 506 to 433.

-Mike Wimbish
==================================================

>"On Nov 25, Margi Crook wrote:"
>
>[-------------- text of forwarded message follows---------------]
>
>From: "Edward R.  DeVries, Th.D."
>To: "Dr.  Greg Dixon"
>CC: "Colleen (Dr.  Dixon's secretary)"
>
>Subject: IBT - urgent
>Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 20:28:15 -0600
>
>I found this on the internet today.  It is an online survey being
>conducted by Indianapolis' channel 6 news asking "Do you agree
>with the seizure of the Baptist Temple." I voted no.  So far the
>"yes" votes are leading. Encourage the IBT members and others to
>vote: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/
>
>Keep the faith, Ed DeVries
>
>IBT webpage:
>http://www.indianapolisbaptisttemple.com/index2.html
>
>[------------- end of forwarded message -------------]

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Re:  Poll: Should Gore Concede? (fwd)
Date: 27 Nov 2000 00:12:49 PST

On Nov 26, Bowden Russell wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

Should Gore Concede? If you think so go and vote at:  www.Palisadestimes.com

We will pass on the results to our local politicians.

Bowden Russell

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: larry ball 
Subject: Take out the Gorebage
Date: 27 Nov 2000 18:54:53 -0600

Why not send an e-mail to the Gorebage asking that he capitulate.  Also
forward this e-mail to other lists.  Perhaps a little pressure will
cause a miracle.  Who knows?

Here is his and his wife's e-mail address -

 Vice.President@whitehouse.gov
Mrs.Gore@whitehouse.gov

Give it a try

Larry Ball
lball@inetnebr.com


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From: larry ball 
Subject: [Fwd: [tgo-l] Fax Algore free NOW!]
Date: 28 Nov 2000 07:42:37 -0600

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This is a good deal.  Take advantage of it.  According to the Lincoln
Journal Star this morning Gore's supporters are falling off the wagon.
Even our new Democratic Senator elect is urging Gore to concede.

Let's do this one

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Here are a few fax numbers from the nice folks at www.tsra.com

My fax just said:  Gore lost, Bush won.  Concede NOW Mr. Gore.


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Global Warming - Not Since 1940 (fwd)
Date: 28 Nov 2000 16:43:15 PST

On Nov 27, BOBWORN@aol.com wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

         November 24, 2000
  =20
        Skeptic rebuts global warming premise
  =20
        LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH
  =20
        THE HAGUE The world has not warmed since 1940, according to tree=20
rings, coral-reef studies and ice-core bore holes, one of the world's leadin=
g=20
"global warming" skeptics told a meeting at the climate-change conference=20
here.
        Fred Singer, a meteorologist at the University of Virginia,=20
challenged the very basis of the U.N.-sponsored conference, where negotiator=
s=20
from 180 nations remained deadlocked yesterday in an attempt to draft rules=20
requiring cuts in greenhouse gases.
        "The climate has warmed in the last century, but this took place=20
before 1940. The hottest years in America were around 1940. We don't know th=
e=20
cause of the warming, but we don't think it was human activity," Mr. Singer=20
told a meeting on the sidelines of the conference.
        Mr. Singer said he has found no evidence suggesting future extreme=20
weather events, such as severe storms or droughts, increases in infectious=20
diseases, or changes to forests and other ecosystems.
        He said there has been an increase in greenhouse gases but thinks=20
this has led to "a greening of the planet, improved agricultural yields and=20
more vigorous forest growth."
        His remarks came as negotiators worked overnight to piece together a=
n=20
agreement with far-reaching consequences for the U.S. economy and environmen=
t.
        Any agreement coming out of the negotiations, due to end today, coul=
d=20
require Americans to cut their energy use and emissions by as much as=20
one-third by 2012.
        Mr. Singer used the scientific temperature data assembled by James=20
Hanson of NASA, who first highlighted the phenomenon of global warming, to=20
dispute the findings of the Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC=
).
        The panel's recommendations formed the basis of the climate-change=20
treaty signed in Kyoto, Japan, three years ago. The negotiators here are=20
trying to implement that treaty.
        Mr. Singer said he accepts evidence from temperature records all ove=
r=20
the world that there appears to have been a pronounced warming since 1975,=20
with some of the hottest years in the 1990s.
        But he added that satellite records of the temperature three miles=20
up, which should show a similar trend, show no warming at all.
        "One explanation is that the satellites are wrong. The other=20
explanation that is my hypothesis is that the surface appears to be warming=20
but isn't really warming at all," he said.
        Bob Watson, chairman of the IPCC, has used the surface-temperature=20
records of the past 20 years to contend that the 20th century is the warmest=
=20
in 1,000 years, but Mr. Singer disagreed.
        Mr. Singer said he places greater faith in the "proxy" records of=20
temperature, contained in tree rings, ocean sediments, ice cores and so on,=20
which he said show no warming since 1940.
        Thermometer readings may be misleading, he said. "Proxy records say=20
the global temperature has not increased in the past 20 years."
        Instead, "heat islands" caused by urbanization have distorted=20
thermometer readings, Mr. Singer said.
        He produced graphs from research conducted by the University of East=
=20
Anglia and analyses of Greenland ice cores throughout 100,000 years publishe=
d=20
in scientific papers to support his point.
        Mr. Singer is one of several scientists to challenge the broad=20
conclusions of the IPCC, a distillation of the work of 3,000 scientists from=
=20
most of the leading meteorological institutes. He shared a platform with=20
Richard Coutney, from Britain's Institute of Economic Affairs, who suggested=
=20
that the summary and conclusions of the IPCC's assessment of the climate had=
=20
been manipulated by politicians.
        Geoff Jenkins, head of Britain's Hadley Center for Climate Predictio=
n=20
and Research, and a leading figure in IPCC, said: "To say that politicians=20
wrote the summary report of the Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change i=
s=20
rubbish."
        Computer models used by scientists say warming in the atmosphere=20
should reflect changes in ground temperatures.
        The discrepancy needs to be resolved, Mr. Singer said. "We don't=20
believe it invalidates the models' predictions of the future. But it's a wea=
kn
ess, and we need to sort it out."

         Patrice Hill contributed to this article from The Hague.

All site contents copyright =A9 2000 News World Communications, Inc.
---------------
Ole Fjord Larsen, your points would have assumed grandeur and faux factualit=
y=20
had not been for your transparent pro-European mega-corporate bias!

You blame the USA, Canada, Japan and Australia for your obvious ignorance of=
=20
climatological changes, eh? Had you, and your united cohorts, gone to your=20
respective history classes and absorbed the lessons well, you should have=20
learned that the Ice Age ended, the various continental deserts came about a=
s=20
saharas, the dinosaurs gone extinct.... sans human causes! Even the biblical=
=20
Great Deluge wasn't a direct cause of mankind's penchant for=20
industrialization.

If you are really non-partisan in your views, you should have included Europ=
e=20
as the primal culprit of industrial wastes because Western Europe was the=20
foremost industrial base long before there was ever a USA, Japan, Canada or=20
Australia! And in the 20th century to this very moment, Eastern Europe is a=20
bastion of industrial trash due to irresponsible industrialization efforts i=
n=20
the name of socialism gone berserk!

In your apparent glee to lay blame on us while obviously excluding your=20
liberal consorts, you even fail mention of today's Communist China, the prim=
a=20
donna of today's gross polluters in terms of industry, national security and=
=20
weapons trade!

You must be a paid agent provocateur, Ole Fjord Larsen! And you are not doin=
g=20
your job very well. I thus ask you gently to cease and desist prosecuting=20
your amoral operations.

Tell you what.... I'll clean up my act, and I'll ask all I know to do theirs=
=20
as well. And you.. well, you are spewing much too much propagandistic=20
pollutants you need to clean up your act at once!

Meanwhile, please read the opposing views of really learned docents of the=20
global issue, in hopes you may just discern that your basis for political=20
being is, for lack of more apropos adjective, bogus.

--peccavi
---------------


In a message dated 11/25/00 5:36:09 AM, secr@unitedpeoples.net writes:

<< Each day of the year presents its own climatic catastrophe some place on=20
the planet, caused by the CO2 emission in the industrialized countries, firs=
t=20
of all the absolute leading champion in crimes against nature and humanity,=20
USA.

These catastrophes of course do not touch the hearts of the responsible=20
corporate gangsters, their mass media monopoly and their governments in USA,=
=20
Canada, Australia and Japan.=20

They don't have to live on inundated Pacific islands or overpopulated=20
lowlands in Bangladesh, Mozambique, etc.

The only positive outcome of the Hague summit has been the complete isolatio=
n=20
of the US gangster coalition. All other countries have been attending in=20
order to save the survival of the planet.

Let us use this fact to retaliate the culprits on their only one concern:=20
their mega profits !

All peoples of the world, boycott all products from these 4 countries ! ! !

Besides taking this opportunity to start priortizing locally produced goods,=
=20
all peoples should substitute the products normally bought from the 4=20
gangster countries by products from other countries !

This unfortunately will benefit the European corporations. But in the presen=
t=20
situation where our very survival is at stake, we have to play the predators=
=20
out against each other.

Ole Fjord Larsen
Secretary, The United Peoples
http://www.unitedpeoples.net

[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

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weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: [Fwd: Concede the election!  It's over!] (fwd)
Date: 28 Nov 2000 16:44:06 PST

On Nov 27, STF wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------]

--
RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: IBT - scam? (fwd)
Date: 28 Nov 2000 16:42:07 PST

On Nov 27, Margi Crook wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

LETTER

    Picketing Reveals Scam in Seizure of Church Property

Day ten at Indianapolis Baptist Temple: We're still here!
Where are the marshals?

Friends, it has been 10 days since the Indianapolis Baptist
Temple was ordered to vacate their 22-acre, 50-year old
church and Christian school. Christians continue to come to
take a stand with the church. A core group of about 40
people has stayed around the clock since the Vacate Order on
November 14th. There are many pastors and ministers from
around the country who have come and gone (and come back).
The number of folks here swells to as much as 1,000 on
Sunday to a low of 50 some nights.

The Indianapolis Star quoted head U.S. Marshal (a Baptist
deacon) as saying in regard to the Baptist Temple "There is
no right way to do a wrong thing"! Clearly he is conflicted
and convicted.

STUNNING DISCOVERY OF POSSIBLE CORRUPTION!
I sent a team of picketers to the offices of the Receiver
appointed by Judge Sarah Evans Barker to dispose of the
property. When our picketers arrived, they decided to go up
and ask some questions. When they arrived at the door, they
saw only a sign for a law practice, and no sign for Atlantic
Liquidators. After a discussion with one of the attorneys
there, it was revealed that this corporation was set up
SOLELY for the case of Indianapolis Baptist Temple! Also,
the attorney handling the case had "moved on", and "nobody"
was handling the matter as far as they knew!

A visit to the Federal District Court House web site
revealed that "someone" from Atlantic Liquidators had posted
a notice saying that they were "refusing" the case!

So, a company that no longer exists has refused a case that
it was SPECIFICALLY FORMED FOR. This company was SPECIALLY
PICKED BY JUDGE BARKER! How did she know about it? Who
recommended this company to the Judge? Who benefits from the
sale of the property? The local media has picked up this
story and is running with it. The Marshal may reconsider
seizing the church with the cloud of corruption hanging over
the whole affair.

We have learned that the IRS COMMONLY SETS UP BOGUS
COMPANIES to receive property that it is seizing. This means
the IRS gets ALL of the money involved, they pay no
percentages to liquidators. This is BIG money. We are
talking about some percentage of $6 million!! It is
documented that the IRS has done this over 300 times in the
last 5 years, in the state of California alone!

PLEASE CONTINUE TO PRAY!!

PLEASE COME TO INDIANAPOLIS AND STAND WITH INDIANAPOLIS
BAPTIST TEMPLE!!

My wife Beverly and my nine children arrived safely Tuesday
night. We had a wonderful Thanksgiving together. Many
families have come through here, some just staying for a day
or two, and some staying a week.

EVERY PERSON COUNTS AS WE STAND FOR THE CHURCH AGAINST THE
GOVERNMENT WHO CLAIMS SOVEREIGNTY OVER HER!!

That is truly what is at stake here. The government claims
sovereignty over all churches (not just the ones that are
corporations and subject to corporate law). The government
is trampling the very right that the first clause of the
First Amendment was written to establish permanently in
America--THAT THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH IS A SOVEREIGN ENTITY
THAT IS UNTOUCHABLE BY THE FEDERAL OR STATE GOVERNMENT.

To whom is a tax paid? Obviously, to one who has POWER OVER
YOU to enforce it. The government has NEVER had authority
over the church. They are breaking new and dangerous ground
here.

PLEASE COME AND STAND WITH US!!

For daily updates on the situation, check IBT's web site:
http://www.indianapolisbaptisttemple.com

If you are with the media and would like to do an interview
concerning this situation, call me at: 540/730-4427.

For information or directions, call Indianapolis Baptist
Temple at: (317)783-6753

If you cannot come, but would like to help our family with
the expenses associated with this prolonged stand, reply to
this email, and we will send instructions. We really could
use some help as we did not expect this to drag on this
long.

     A servant of Christ
     Rev. Bruce Evan Murch

For background on who we are:
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/CommercialSt/y2kwater/AboutUs.htm

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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Lessons from the Miami-Dade Rebellion (fwd)
Date: 28 Nov 2000 16:45:29 PST

On Nov 27, DAnde1706@aol.com wrote:

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In a message dated 11/26/00 1:37:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, AWright191 
writes:

<< Subj:     [FriendsofLiberty] Lessons from the Miami-Dade Rebellion
 Date:  11/26/00 1:18:56 PM Eastern Standard Time
 From:  dhs6022@surfree.com (DjL)
 Reply-to:  FriendsofLiberty@egroups.com
 To:    bob_graham@graham.senate.gov (Senator Bob Graham)
 
 
 http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich1.html
 Please Support LewRockwell.com By Patronizing Our Advertisers
 
 Lessons from the Miami-Dade Rebellion
 by Dale Steinreich
 
 The recent citizen rebellion in Miami-Dade county is a good lesson for
 America's gun owners, that is, if they're willing to learn how to
 effectively neutralize the steadily encroaching tyranny of the American
 central state.
 
 Some background: Miami-Dade's canvassing board refused to manually recount
 its ballots but reversed itself on November 17 because of threats of legal
 action by the Gore campaign. The Miami-Dade manual recount began on November
 20. The following night (November 21) the Florida Supreme Court issued a
 deadline of 5:00 p.m. Sunday, November 26, for all manual recounts to be
 finished. The next morning, Wednesday November 22, the Miami-Dade canvassing
 board decided that it did not have enough time to meet the 5-day
 Thanksgiving-weekend deadline for hand counting 654,000 ballots. Instead, it
 decided it would hand count only 10,750 votes that had been rejected by
 voting-counting machines.
 
 Keep in mind, there had been controversy about these 10,000 votes. One
 Miami-Dade poll worker insisted that these ballots had been discarded by
 voters who had been at first confused by the notorious "butterfly" ballot.
 These confused voters asked for another ballot, punched the new ballot
 correctly, and then left. Meanwhile, the old ballots were kept, and they
 accumulated into this pool of 10,000. Hence counting these double-punched
 and hanging-chad ballots was not an enfranchisement of confused voters but a
 double-counting intended to favor Al Gore.
 
 Reinforcing this perception of a rigged process was the further decision by
 the Miami-Dade canvassing board to close the manual recount to the public.
 In an uncharacteristically courageous fashion, the county Republican party
 swung its phone bank into action, calling all their voters to swarm the
 Stephen C. Clark Government Center to protest the venal ruling. The
 staunchly anti-communist Radio Mambi drummed up an additional few hundred
 protesters.
 
 The last straw for the inchoate junta came when Joe Geller, the chairman of
 the Miami-Dade Democratic Party, left one of the counting rooms with a
 disputed ballot in his pocket and proceeded to move behind closed doors. He
 was quickly surrounded by protesters and ordered to surrender the ballot.
 Police had to intervene to escort him to safety.
 
 Upstairs the real revolution began. The protesters stormed the office of the
 Miami-Dade supervisor of elections. It took several minutes for sheriff's
 deputies to restore order, but even they couldn't stop the deafening
 pounding and chanting on the election supervisor's doors: "Cheat, Cheat,
 Cheat, Cheat,..."
 
 The three members of the canvassing board were then led under heavy police
 guard back to the original public recount room from the room where they were
 conducting their secret tally for the minions of Al Gore. They then voted
 unanimously to stop all further hand counts. Although the Gore campaign
 tried to force the Miami-Dade board to resume a hand count, on Thanksgiving
 the Florida Supreme Court denied it. It was a tremendous blow from which the
 incipient junta could never recover.
 
 This local uprising by ordinary citizens backed into a corner by an
 insatiably corrupt establishment could be a valuable lesson for America's
 gun owners, the group most loathed and despised by the establishment's
 elite. Particularly backed into a corner are California gun owners. Under
 the recently passed law SB23, by December 31, 2000, if Californians own an
 "assault weapon," they have to do one of three things: register the gun with
 the California Department of Justice as an "assault weapon," sell the gun(s)
 to out-of-state buyer(s), or physically remove the gun(s) from the State of
 California. For "assault weapon" owners, failure to pursue one of these
 options is a felony offense.
 
 Of course SB23 is just another chapter in the campaign against
 semi-automatic rifles. It was begun in January 1989 by George Bush Sr. who
 banned imports of semi-automatics after a school shooting in Stockton,
 California. The second major chapter was written under Bill Clinton in Title
 XI of the Omnibus Crime Act of 1994, banning further production of "assault
 weapons." Gun producers found a way around the law by manufacturing guns
 with American-made receivers and imported parts sets. The price of
 semi-automatic rifles dropped precipitously, with AK-47s selling for just
 $286.00, down from $800-$1,200 in 1994. On August 18, 2000, a legal
 committee at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms put an end to this
 by forbidding further importation of parts sets.
 
 The next chapter in the war on the semi-automatic rifle will likely be
 written by either George W. Bush or Al Gore since neither of them has an
 ounce of respect for the Second Amendment. George W. Bush is in favor of
 banning importation of foreign-made, high-capacity magazines. Al Gore, while
 mouthing a phony respect for hunters' rights, would nationalize SB23. SB23
 is only Title XI of the 1994 Crime Act in much more despotic garb. It even
 bans guns with thumbhole stocks (an artifact of the 1989 George Bush Sr.
 ban) and the capability of accepting detachable magazines. Even banned are
 rifles with fixed magazines that happen to be less than 30 inches in length.
 
 In the most crime-ridden urban areas, semi-automatic rifles have never been
 involved in more than 2% of shooting deaths. Study after study has shown
 that the recent drop in violent crime has no correlation with recent gun
 control efforts, yet the campaign against semi-automatic rifles continues
 unabated and at a fanatical pace.
 
 The ultimate intellectual origin of this push to completely ban the
 semi-automatic rifle is federal law enforcement agencies, most notably the
 US Marshalls, FBI, BATF, and DEA. The continued push to ban semi-automatic
 rifles by these agencies signifies a very sinister future they (and the
 elite they represent) have in mind for the rest of us.
 
 Which brings us back to the Miami-Dade rebellion. California gun owners
 shouldn't obey the registration requirements of SB23. Who owns which
 particular guns is none of the government's business and registration is
 only a prelude to confiscation. In deference to states' rights, California
 gun owners should vote with their feet, not just storing their guns at
 warehouses in Nevada or Arizona, but moving there as well.
 
 The real problem is when the complete ban on semi-automatic rifles moves to
 the federal level. A George W. Bush presidency would help the process along
 while a Gore presidency would quickly complete it. Like the Miami-Dade
 rebellion showed, the solution is at the local level. Local officials must
 be made to understand that if they genuflect to the totalitarian agendas of
 outsiders they will pay a price.
 
 Freedom-loving Americans in local communities must form a united front in
 large numbers to consistently impart this lesson to local officials.
 
 Even citizens of other local communities could help out a community under
 siege. Quick mobilization efforts could take place over cell phones, faxes,
 e-mail, and local talk radio as happened in Miami-Dade. It's doubtful that
 the 1993 federal massacre of 82 people at Waco or the wanton murder of Randy
 Weaver's wife and son could have occurred with such impunity in an
 environment of quick and heavy local mobilization. Indeed, the feds and
 their propaganda arm in the national media could have been handily run out
 of town.
 
 Three cheers to the patriots of Miami-Dade. Hopefully their model will
 inspire the rest of us.
 
 November 25, 2000
 
 Dale Steinreich, PhD, is a consulting economist. He is also a regular
 contributor to AgainstTheCrowd.com.
 
 (I'll still take Bush. Make Patriots of your neighbors, get the numbers of
 local news outlets and keep them handy. Prepare for the freedom thieves,
 sooner or later they will come.)
 David Lewellyn

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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: larry ball 
Subject: Better Look out, better not cry, the Pres is coming to town
Date: 29 Nov 2000 07:38:27 -0600

His holiness, the special divine to the United States, on loan from
himself, the Honorable William Jefferson Clinton is coming to Nebraska.
On December 8, 2000, his esteemable self, will honor Nebraska with his
graceful presence at Kearney, Nebraska.  He will speak at the University
and will tour the Great River Road Arch.

I think that all of those who love life and liberty and are within 300
miles of Kearney on that day should make a special effort to be there to
make his wonderful visit significantly memorable.

Donlan, you and your lovers of life could do something special.  If
there are a significant number of turkey hunters present we could form
the Monica choir.  A contingent of duck hunters could form a chamber
group and commemorate our awesome leaders military record with a Duck
anthem.

Do any of you receiving this e-mail have any ideas?  Can you get on
board now and help to plan, promote and recruit?  December 8 is just
around the corner.  We need to get at this.

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Let me know.  This is a startling great
opportunity.  El Supremo has never been to Nebraska.  Let's work to make
this a speicial memory for him and let the rest of our great country
know how much we love him.

Larry Ball
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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: Supreme Court Strikes Down Drug Roadblocks (fwd)
Date: 29 Nov 2000 13:21:11 PST

On Nov 28, Bob Mueller wrote:

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Tuesday November 28 2:40 PM ET
Supreme Court Strikes Down Drug Roadblocks

By James Vicini

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) on Tuesday
declared unconstitutional police roadblocks set up to catch drug offenders,
ruling they violate privacy rights of innocent motorists.

In an important victory for advocates of civil liberties, the high court by
a 6-3 vote ruled against Indianapolis, where police had erected the
roadblocks to stop all motorists in an effort to halt the flow of illegal
drugs through the city.

Justice Sandra Day O'Connor declared for the court majority that the drug
checkpoints violated the constitutional guarantees under the Fourth
Amendment protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures of evidence.

O'Connor said the ruling does not affect other roadblocks, which the court
has previously held to be constitutional, to detect drunken drivers and to
intercept illegal immigrants being smuggled across the U.S. border by car.


http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001128/ts/court_roadblocks_dc_4.html
--
Bob Mueller

If tin whistles are made of tin, what are basketballs made of?

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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance)
Subject: New Term
Date: 29 Nov 2000 13:25:44 PST

What do you say to someone who tries to change the rules in the middle of
the game, and/or after the fact, and then tries to ride the busted bluff
down in flames?

Aw come on man, don't be a _Gore_Loser_!  :-)


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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------
An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!


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From: larry ball 
Subject: The Nebraska Militia Mobilizes!!
Date: 29 Nov 2000 17:26:56 -0600


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I am proposing to mobilize the great and dreaded Katzenjammer Brigade of
the Militia of the Plains to oppose the visit of His Holiness the
President and Imperator of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton
to Kearney, NE on December 8, 2000.

The last action seen by the Katzenjammer Brigade was in 1995, when it
opposed the Hillary Health Care Calvalcade in York, NE.  It was a
successful demonstration.

The Katzenjammer Brigade is a spoof.  It is a "militia" made up of
volunteers who wear a pot or pan for a helmet and carry a mop or broom
as a "weapon."  We will march under the US Flag and a flag commorating
the US Constitution.  Cadence will be maintained by drummers using
inverted five gallon buckets for drums.

I need some volunteers that can use Turkey calls and some who can use
Duck calls.   With these instruments we will be able to play two of His
Holiness's favorite tunes, the Monica March, and the Duck the Draft
Shuffle.

You should make up signs reflecting your affection for our auspicious
leader such as Carry Out the Gorebage When You Leave and other
expressions of endearment.

I sent out some info on this this morning but have gotten back little
response.  Some of you are on other lists.  Could you forward this
message?  We need at least a 100 volunteers to be really effective.  Can
you help?  Do you have any ideas?

I talked to the F.B.I. this afternoon to give them a heads up.  I am
also going to talk to the Kearney PD and also give them a heads up.  If
you decide to get involved (and I hope you will) be sure that you are
not carrying any weapons upon your self or in your vehicle.

Come on this is a golden opportunity to express your appreciation of the
way our Honorable leader has upheld our Constitution and Liberties.
Let's show him a proper recognition of his feeling our pain for the last
eight years.

Larry Ball
lball@inetnebr.com

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I am proposing to mobilize the great
and dreaded Katzenjammer Brigade of the Militia of the Plains to oppose
the visit of His Holiness the President and Imperator of the United States,
William Jefferson Clinton to Kearney, NE on December 8, 2000.

The last action seen by the Katzenjammer Brigade
was in 1995, when it opposed the Hillary Health Care Calvalcade in York,
NE.  It was a successful demonstration.

The Katzenjammer Brigade is a spoof. 
It is a "militia" made up of volunteers who wear a pot or pan for a helmet
and carry a mop or broom as a "weapon."  We will march under the US
Flag and a flag commorating the US Constitution.  Cadence will be
maintained by drummers using inverted five gallon buckets for drums.

I need some volunteers that can use Turkey
calls and some who can use Duck calls.   With these instruments
we will be able to play two of His Holiness's favorite tunes, the Monica
March, and the Duck the Draft Shuffle.

You should make up signs reflecting your affection
for our auspicious leader such as Carry Out
the Gorebage When You Leave and other expressions
of endearment.

I sent out some info on this this morning but
have gotten back little response.  Some of you are on other lists. 
Could you forward this message?  We need at least a 100 volunteers
to be really effective.  Can you help?  Do you have any ideas?

I talked to the F.B.I. this afternoon to give
them a heads up.  I am also going to talk to the Kearney PD and also
give them a heads up.  If you decide to get involved (and I hope you
will) be sure that you are not carrying any weapons upon your self or in
your vehicle.

Come on this is a golden opportunity to express
your appreciation of the way our Honorable leader has upheld our Constitution
and Liberties.  Let's show him a proper recognition of his feeling
our pain for the last eight years.

Larry Ball

lball@inetnebr.com

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