From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Small arms (fwd) Date: 01 Feb 2001 08:20:52 PST On Feb 01, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The UN is out to take away our Second Amendment rights. Margi U.N. plans "Small Arms" Conference eco-logic report Editor's note: The Commission on Global Governance recommended that the United Nations control the manufacture, sale, and distribution of all munitions - including small arms. Since that recommendation in 1995, the U.N. has been marching steadily toward this goal. This upcoming U.N. Conference is another major step in that march. Here is what the U.N. has to say about small arms, and the conference, scheduled for June/July, 2001. What are small arms and light weapons? Small arms are weapons designed for personal use, while light weapons are designed for use by several persons serving as a crew. Examples of small arms include revolvers and self-loading pistols, rifles, sub-machine guns, assault rifles and light machine-guns. Light weapons include heavy machine-guns, some types of grenade launchers, portable anti-aircraft and anti-tank guns, and portable launchers of anti-aircraft missile systems. Most small arms and light weapons would not be lethal without their ammunition. Ammunition and explosives thus form an integral part of small arms and light weapons used in conflicts. They include cartridges (rounds) for small arms, shells and missiles for light weapons, anti-personnel and anti-tank hand grenades, landmines, explosives, and mobile containers with missiles or shells for single-action anti-aircraft and anti-tank systems. What problems are caused by small arms and light weapons? One of the major problems associated with small arms and light weapons is their widespread availability in many regions of the world. They are the "weapons of choice" in today's predominantly internal conflicts - relatively cheap, lethal, portable and concealable, long-lasting and so easy to operate that children as young as 10 have carried them into combat. They are illicitly trafficked in exchange for hard currency and goods such as diamonds and other precious gems, drugs and related contraband. Armed gangs, criminals, mercenaries and terrorist groups illegally traffic and use these weapons. Accumulations of small arms and light weapons by themselves do not cause the conflicts in which they are used. Their availability, however, contributes towards intensifying conflicts by increasing the lethality and duration of violence, by encouraging a violent rather than a peaceful resolution of differences, and by generating a vicious circle of a greater sense of insecurity, which in turn leads to a greater demand for and use of these weapons. How can small arms be controlled? This is a difficult question. Unlike nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, there are no agreed international norms and standards dealing directly with small arms and light weapons. At the same time, many of the over 100 States which do not export these weapons rely on them for their legitimate national and collective defence and internal security needs. States uphold the right of individual and collective self-defence, as recognized in Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, and the legitimate security demands of all countries. It is also generally recognized that small arms are traded globally for legitimate security and commercial considerations. Therefore to ban small arms and light weapons as the international community has done in the case of anti-personnel mines (the Ottawa Convention) would be a difficult if not impossible task. Other global measures to combat the excessive and destabilizing accumulation of small arms and light weapons must be identified. That is one of the reasons why the General Assembly decided in December 1999 to convene the United Nations Conference on the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects [A/RES/54/54 V] in June/July 2001. The Assembly established a Preparatory Committee and requested it to recommend to the Conference a draft final document which will include a programme of action. Why is the United Nations taking action against these weapons? Virtually every part of the UN system is dealing with the direct and indirect consequences of recent armed conflicts fought mostly with these weapons. Small arms and light weapons are increasingly used as primary instruments of violence in the internal conflicts dealt with by the UN, they are responsible for large numbers of deaths and the displacement of citizens around the world, and they consume large amounts of United Nations resources. Many of these conflicts have inflicted heavy casualties on the people involved, the vast majority of whom have been civilians, mostly women and children. The excessive and destabilizing accumulation and transfer of small arms and light weapons is closely related to the increased incidence of internal conflicts and high levels of crime and violence. It is, therefore, an issue of legitimate concern for the international community. Although some regions of the world are affected more than others, this is truly a global phenomenon and thus a source of concern at the United Nations, the world's most representative body. Closer to home, the easy availability of small arms and light weapons has led to the targeting of UN peacekeeping and humanitarian field staff as well as its non-governmental partners on the ground. "Blue Helmet" peacekeepers are unable to completely disarm warring factions because these groups sometimes hide their best weapons or only turn in old, unusable ones, as "insurance" if hostilities resume. The UN's development projects and those of donor countries are damaged if not destroyed when groups carrying these weapons ransack towns and villages. Its peace negotiators and mediators are obliged to return to the negotiating table because one or more factions decide that they can get more on the battlefield than they can at the negotiating table. Refugees under the UN's protection are sometimes moved and controlled by armed groups; children are victims and also enslaved into being combatants and porters by warring factions. Humanitarian aid delivered by the UN is often commandeered or controlled by armed gangs. The arms embargoes imposed by the UN Security Council are increasingly violated due to the illicit trafficking of small arms and light weapons. Since the mid-1990s the United Nations has placed the issue of small arms and light weapons firmly on the international political agenda. The UN has promoted awareness of the problems posed by these weapons. It established a number of expert groups - notably the Panel of Governmental Experts on Small Arms [A/52/298], the Group of Governmental Experts on Small Arms [A/54/258], and the Group of Experts on the problem of ammunition and Explosives [A/54/155] to study the nature and causes of such accumulations and transfers of small arms and light weapons and to recommend ways and means to prevent and reduce them. States, regional organizations and non-governmental groups refer to these reports extensively. The UN has also dealt with small arms in the context of other issues such as the protection of civilians in armed conflict, the role of the Security Council in the prevention of armed conflicts, children and armed conflict, and disarmament, demobilization and reintegration of ex-combatants in a peacekeeping environment. In the field, the UN has been involved in collecting and destroying weapons in a number of its peacekeeping operations. It has also conducted a "weapons for development" pilot project in Albania, collecting weapons from civil society in exchange for community-level development incentives such as roads and bridges. The Secretary-General of the United Nations has taken a personal interest in the small arms issue. In his Millennium Report, the Secretary-General noted that controlling the proliferation of illicit weapons is a necessary first step towards the non-proliferation of small arms. He maintained that small arms and light weapons must be brought under the control of states, and states must be held accountable for their transfer. As the international community prepares for the 2001 Conference, a milestone in the UN's history and the first major UN disarmament conference since 1987, the Secretary-General has urged Member States to take advantage of the Conference "to start taking serious actions that will curtail the illicit traffic in small arms" What is the 2001 Conference about? The Conference will focus on the "Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects" as its title indicates. The Report of the UN Group of Governmental Experts on Small Arms [A/54/258], issued in September 1999, provides further clarification of what may be discussed by the Conference. The Group of Experts recommended that "The primary focus of attention should be on small arms and light weapons that are manufactured to military specifications. Other types of firearms used in conflicts may, however, also have to be considered in dealing with the problems in the most affected regions of the world. In this overall context, ammunition should also be considered". The "objective" of the Conference is one of the issues to be discussed by the Preparatory Committee. In the report of the Group of Governmental Experts on Small Arms, it was recommended that the objective of the Conference should be to develop and strengthen international efforts to prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects. To this end, the Group recommended that the aims of the Conference should be to: - Strengthen or develop norms at the global, regional and national levels that would reinforce and further coordinate efforts to prevent and combat the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects; - Develop agreed international measures to prevent and combat illicit arms trafficking in and manufacturing of small arms and light weapons and to reduce excessive and destabilizing accumulations and transfers of such weapons throughout the world, with particular emphasis on the regions of the world where conflicts come to an end and where serious problems with the proliferation of small arms and light weapons have to be dealt with urgently - Mobilize the political will throughout the international community to prevent and combat illicit transfers in and manufacturing of small arms and light weapons in all their aspects, and raise awareness of the character and seriousness of the interrelated problems associated with illicit trafficking in and manufacture of small arms and light weapons and the excessive and destabilizing accumulation and spread of these weapons; - Promote responsibility by States with regard to the export; import; transit and retransfer of small arms and light weapons. In short, it has become clear that the Conference is an arms control and disarmament undertaking. What is the "Vienna process"? While the 2001 Conference and its Preparatory Committee is dealing with the destabilizing accumulation and spread of military-style small arms and light weapons within the context of disarmament and arms control, there is another negotiating process dealing with small arms and light weapons which is taking place in Vienna. Delegations in Vienna are negotiating a legally binding Protocol against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Their Parts and Components and Ammunition [A/AC.254/4/Add.2/Rev.5], supplementing the UN Convention against Transnational Organized Crime. Once concluded, the draft Protocol will provide an international law enforcement mechanism for crime prevention and the prosecution of traffickers. The Protocol may include articles establishing internationally recognized standards and provisions regarding marking, registration and traceability of firearms. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: To the Vietnam Vets (fwd) Date: 01 Feb 2001 17:46:47 PST On Feb 01, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Vietnam Veterans Rendezvous 2001 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:43:08 EST From: CombatvetsmcPres@aol.com To: XuanLoc65@aol.com WHAT: There will be an open rendezvous of Vietnam Veterans held in Mobile, Alabama this summer. Open means everyone, Campers, RVers, bikers, EVERYONE. WHERE: Chickasabogue Park (Campground) off I-65 (actually Saraland, Alabama) WHEN: Beginning, Thursday, July 26th 2001 thru Sunday, July 29th. WHY: To bring ALL men & women who served in-country, and those we refer to as era veterans together for the purpose of strengthening the brotherhood, renewing old friendships, etc. Planned Events: Tours to Battleship Park. Site of the Alabama Vietnam Veterans Memorial, home of the battleship Alabama, Aircraft display including Calamity Jane - B-52 that flew numerous missions over the Nam. Flyover by the Blue Angels (Pensacola is about an hours drive away). Skydiving demo by the Golden Knights - US Army parachute team. Excursions: "The Boats" at Biloxi - the casinos are less than an hours drive. Notables: we have been assured that one of the most decorated soldiers of the Vietnam War will be on hand (Medal of Honor recipient), and one of our most well known Prisoners-of-War. Reps from VFW, American Legion, DAV, Vietnam Vets of America, Amvets, etc, etc. The evenings are unplanned, small camp fires, good food, drink, and kicked back story telling. Gonna be a blast for the past, you gotta be there. For this to be a success we need you to forward this announcement to as many folks as possible. Our new website is up and running click on this link to check it out: Vietnam Veterans Rendezvous 2001 AND, we need to have you respond ASAP if planning to attend. There are quite a few support activities that need staffing, and we need your help. We expect approx. 700 - 1000 folks to attend. We want this to be a healing for all who attent, if one veteran is "helped" the rendezvous wi'll be a success. There is a destiny that makes all combat veterans brothers no one goes his way alone What you send out into the lives of others comes back into your own [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Unratify treaties (fwd) Date: 01 Feb 2001 22:20:48 PST On Feb 01, Charles Nawrocki wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Have not checked out///////////////////////// >From: Bruce Chesley >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:03:30 -0500 >Subject: Unratify treaties > > Sooo, you think you own your property..... >Bruce Chesley >Truth is a terrible cross to bear. >Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.". Thomas Paine >Treason for $$$: ALL "pro 2A" orgs. >--------- Begin forwarded message ---------- >From: "M.O.M." >To: "m.o.m. email alert list" >Subject: Unratify treaties >Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 17:36:37 -0700 >Message-ID: <3A7A0114.AA814F62@blackfoot.net> > >Republicans Demand Un-Ratification of > Treaties > By William F. Jud - Posted: 01.30.00 > > Members of the Madison County Missouri Republican Club voted > unanimously at their 27 January 2001 meeting in Fredericktown, > Missouri, to demand that the U.S. Senate un-ratify a package > of 34 treaties which the Senate ratified by a show of hands on > 18 October 2000. > > The package of 34 treaties includes the the U. N. Convention > To Combat Desertification, or "Desertification Treaty," which > effectively puts land use in much of United States under United > Nations control for a minimum of four years and potentially > forever, and the International Plant Protection Convention. Both > treaties subject United States internal environmental policy to > United Nations international control . > > It is the opinion of Republican Club members that the slipshod, > Unconstitutional way in which the Senate ratified the package > of 34 treaties is sufficient grounds for un-ratifying and voiding > all 34 treaties including the Desertification and Plant Protection > treaties. The Republican Club maintains that the October 18 > ratification of the treaties is null and void because proper > procedure was not followed. The Club demands that formal > un-ratification by the Senate of the package of 34 treaties be > done before February 15 when the treaties would become > effective if allowed to stand. > > The package of 34 treaties was ratified on 18 October 2000 by > a show of hands by Senators who were present. There is no > recorded vote and no way, other than asking each Senator, to > know who voted for or against. A quorum may not even have > been present. The ratified Desertification Treaty, which > President Clinton signed in 1994, was delivered to the United > Nations by the Clinton Administration on November 17 and will > go into effect on 15 February 2001 if allowed to stand, binding > the United States to international law which claims power and > authority to control use of 73% of the earth's rangeland and > 47% of the earth's cropland. > > The United Nations seeks to control the remaining > approximately 30% of the earth's land through the Convention > On Biological Diversity. The United Nations Commission On > Water For The 21st Century is working on a companion treaty > to control use of the earth's water. The goal is creation of a > United Nations bureaucracy to restrict and control through > international law the use of all natural resources in compliance > with United Nations Agenda 21 and principles of Sustainable > Development. > > Under the Treaties, United Nations enforcers could stop and > reverse any activity which they believe may move land closer > to a desert condition. Examples of prohibited activity include > converting forest land to pasture, or pasture to cropland, or > cropland to industrial, commercial or housing uses. Control > applies to all land, whether publicly or privately owned. > Enforcement would be through the newly created International > Criminal Court which claims self-granted authority to prosecute > American citizens, in foreign courts with no Constitutional > protection, for "environmental" crimes. > > The Desertification Treaty contains requirements for approving > school environmental curricula, and for massive and ongoing > transfer of funds and technology from rich nations such as the > United States to poor nations everywhere. > Non-Governmental-Organizations (NGOs) such as the Sierra > Club are guaranteed participation in setting international and > domestic land use policies. Land owners are excluded from the > process of making and implementing land use policy. > > In an outrageous display of legislative malpractice, Treaty > ratification was done without parliamentary procedure, review, > comment, debate, and recorded vote, which makes a mockery > of the Constitutional process and puts American citizens > increasingly under control of a United Nations bureaucracy > whose Socialist member nations have a long track record of > opposing United States interests. > > The Madison County Missouri Republican Club is in contact with > President Bush and Missouri Senators Bond and Carnahan to > demand that the Desertification and Plant Protection Treaties > and the rest of the treaties in the catch-all package of 34 be > immediately un-ratified and voided and that no treaty be > approved in the future unless proper, Constitutional procedure > is followed. > >-- >**COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. 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[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: VOTE.COM: IS BUSH'S TAX CUT PLAN TOO RISKY? (fwd) Date: 02 Feb 2001 09:13:16 PST On Feb 1, Archibald Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Congressional Democrats Warn That Bush's Tax Cut Plan May Be Too Risky: Do You Agree? GO FOR IT! http://www.vote.com/category/4075633/ Archibald Bard [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Taxation withoutrepresentation (fwd) Date: 02 Feb 2001 09:14:45 PST On Feb 02, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] [Lis-LEAF] Taxation with one twentieth of the Representation Required by the Constitution? Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 00:55:09 -0800 From: "ICE" To: "\"Ice-Bucket\"" , "R.J. Tavel/Lisleaf" All, Here's a new one on me. The Congress changed the Constitution by an Act of Congress, without an amendment, when it restricted the House of Representatives to 435 members, thus setting up the ludicrous ratio of "representation" that we have currently (at least in Washington state's 1st District) of some 660,000 to one "representative", I believe -- over twenty times the ratio specifically prescribed by the Constitution. Am I missing something here? Surely this matter has not been overlooked for over 70 years. "Taxation without representation" rides again! ;-) ICE ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:02 PM Article I, section 2, clause 3: states among other things: "The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand". And by the act of congress of June 18, 1929, it restricted the size of the House of Representatives to 435. 46 Stat 26, 22 as amended by 55 Stat 761 (1941) 2USC section 2a. >From the US CONSTITUTION ANNOTATED, a document of some 2700+ pages complied by the Congressional Research Service: Ultimately, by the act of June 18, 1929, it provided that the membership of the House of representatives should henceforth be restricted to 435 members, to be distributed among the states by the so-called ''method of major fractions,'' which had been earlier employed in the apportionment of 1911 and which has now been replaced with the ''method of equal proportions.'' Following the 1990 census, a State that had lost a House seat as a result of the use of this formula sued (see footnote below), alleging a violation of the ''one person, one vote'' rule. Exhibiting considerable deference to Congress and a stated appreciation of the difficulties in achieving interstate equalities, the Supreme Court upheld the formula and the resultant apportionment. FOOTNOTE: U.S. Department of Commerce v. Montana, 112 S.Ct. 1415 (1992). The practice of the Secretary of Commerce in allocating overseas federal employees and military personnel to the States of last residence was attacked but upheld in Franklin v. Massachusetts, 112 S.Ct. 2767 (1992). The mandate of the clause of an enumeration of ''their respective numbers'' was complied with, it having been the practice since the first enumeration to allocate persons to the place of their ''usual residence,'' and to construe both this term and the word ''inhabitant'' broadly to include people temporarily absent. ICE wrote: John, Is that written in the Constitution itself? Do you have a specific cite that could be posted along with it? That would be a good one to circulate along with the authoritative cite to support it. ICE ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gunderson" To: "ACT" Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:28 AM Subject: Take another look > Anyone ever bothered to read the constitution? > > The Constitutional guideline is "The Number of Representatives shall > not exceed one for every thirty Thousand"; now we have one for > approximately every 454,000 people. Taxation without representation > anyone? > > Isn't government wonderful? > > Don't forget to pay "your" income tax -- help support this fraud. It > must be your civic duty! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: NY (fwd) Date: 02 Feb 2001 22:57:49 PST On Feb 02, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] [Lis-LEAF] New York offers $500.00 Reward: Turn in your Gun Owner Neighbors! Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 20:48:41 -0500 From: "Paul E Zimmerman" Reply-To: plj1202@lycos.com Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) To: "Paul Zimmerman" Source: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=1221 Written By: Cliff New York offers $500.00 Reward: Turn In Your Gun Owner Neighbors! from Cliff defender@rovin.net February 1, 2001 Dear Civil Rights Defender, After seeing some literature reminiscent of a Nazi Germany type "turn in your neighbor" policy at a New York City Community Council meeting last week, I have finally obtained documentation from one of my NYC PD inside contacts. What follows below is the official Police Department City of New York Auxiliary Police Section A.P.S. Bulletin # 001 January 12, 2001 follows directly from the official Chief of Department Memo #1, Subject: Operation Gun Stop, cs 01-12-01. Please see the fully transcribed copy of the document, "Operation Gun Stop" below. If you wish to see a photocopy of the actual document, click here. The effect of the New York City policy, as directly quoted from the document, is that: "... private citizens will be able to anonymously provide this Department with information regarding individuals or locations involved with illegal handguns. Individuals who provide information that leads to an arrest for such sale/possession will be eligible for a cash reward of $500. ..." As this demonstrates, individuals can secretly make the accusation, the police will perform the raid, and YOU will be arrested. You will NOT be able to face your secret accuser. Your accuser may NOT even have any real knowledge substantiating his claim. But, that does NOT matter. We are ALL hostage to the whim of our neighbors -- just like in an oppressive totalitarian regime we live in fear if we exercise our now impotent rights! This new initiative will be a widespread, well funded operation seeking to enlist the participation of as many residents as possible. There will be a variety of promotional literature posted and handed out in the community as well as at public city events. There will be advertising, as well. The city is serious about the recruitment of New Yorkers to turn in their neighbors in order to eradicate non-registered gun ownership. Additionally, I do NOT recall that the literature that I read at the New York City Community Council meeting last week limited the program to hand guns only! Any secret accusation will cause the police to come into your home. Anything that they find that is NOT in perfect COMPLIANCE with the myriad of confusing laws will result in an arrest and confiscation. This does NOT just apply to handguns! The "Operation Gunstop" is just an excuse to enter and search your premises. Just remember what has been happening in Connecticut since their "danger to oneself/public/firearms" snitch law went into effect in October 1999. All neighbors with a grudge against you have to do is call the police claiming that you are acting "odd" and that they "feel" that you may be a danger to yourself. The police will promptly come and confiscate your legally owned firearms. Good luck getting them back. I will have to wait until the complete package of literature arrives before I can be sure that the city will be encouraging its own citizens to turn in their neighbors who may own ANY type of firearm. Please read on below, and use the links provided to make contact with the appropriate officials to express your opinion of this program. Thank you. With Liberty, Cliff Text of Actual Government Memo POLICE DEPARTMENT CITY OF NEW YORK AUXILIARY POLICE SECTION A.P.S. BULLETIN # 001 JANUARY 12, 2001 SUBJECT: AUXILIARY POLICE PARTICIPATION "OPERATION GUN STOP" 1. As part of our Department's Policing NYC:2001 strategy, "Operation Gun Stop" has been created whereby members of the public will be encouraged to participate in our effort to combat illegal sale and/or possession of handguns. Under this program, private citizens will be able to anonymously provide this Department with information regarding individuals or locations involved with illegal handguns. Individuals who provide information that leads to an arrest for such sale/possession will be eligible for a cash reward of $500. Auxiliary police officers while performing patrol and community activities are in a key position to convey this invaluable information to private citizens in their community and accordingly have been requested to assist in this endeavor. 2. Auxiliary police officers have been requested by both the Chief of the Department and Chief of Patrol to participate in disseminating information to the general public regarding "Operation Gun Stop". To begin, auxiliary police coordinators are to immediately confer with their Commanding Officer and or Executive Officer for instruction relative to their individual command's strategy for utilization of auxiliary police officers in distribution and dissemination of information to the public. In order to promote the GUN STOP initiative, auxiliary police coordinators shall then be responsible to ensure that their auxiliary police personnel are informed of and distribute informational material (flyers, posters, and cards). Refer to instructions as per CHIEF OF DEPARTMENT MEMO #1, Subject: Operation Gun Stop, cs 01-12-01. 3. All commands will receive "Operation Gun Stop" informational materials which include 3 1/2" x 4 1/2 "cards, 8 1/2 x 11" flyers, and 11" x 17" posters. All auxiliary police coordinators shall acquire these materials from their command and or the borough auxiliary police coordinator for distribution by auxiliary police personnel. Members of the Auxiliary Police Program should take advantage of any contact(s) with the public, to make citizens aware of "Operation Gun Stop". Auxiliary police officers may distribute these materials to the public while on patrol and or at special events and details, recruitment drives, street fairs, and community meetings, etc. 4. All auxiliary police coordinators and auxiliary police commanding officers shall make "Operation Gun Stop" strategy their priority and ensure that all auxiliary police assigned are familiar with it's goals and are actively participating. 5. For your information and compliance. Angelo J. Maroulis Captain cc: Chief of Department Chief of Patrol A.P.S. 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[Noam Chomsky] Dr. Tavel's Self Help Clinic and Sovereign Law Library http://drtavel.com/selfhelp.htm Not a high-tech law firm brochure, "because a lawyer is only as smart as you make him" [Max Katz] and "the Law . . . should be accessible to every man and at all times." [Franz Kafka] For Liberty in Our Lifetime, R.J. Tavel, JD, managing partner, Tavel & Stewart, Public Interest Law Firm, Bringing you "a whole new boutique of wonderful First Amendment litigation." [J. Scalia] http://freedomlaw.com/T&S/ NEW: SUBSCRIBE TO Lis-LEAF the Learning Electronically About Freedom mailing service at http://freedomlaw.com/FORM.html Community email addresses: Unsubscribe: Lis-LEAF-unsubscribe@onelist.com List owner: Lis-LEAF-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/Lis-LEAF [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: SRA - Columbine Parents Question Sons Death. (fwd) Date: 03 Feb 2001 09:31:29 PST On Feb 03, Brad3000 wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FYI - An issue here is the caliber & bullet markings would have to match the HRT team's ordnance, which is likely to be easily verifible if none of the bullets matched the killers' guns... Columbine Parents: Cops Shot Our Son Thursday, February 1, 2001 - Associated Press http://www.foxnews.com/national/columbine/index.sml The autopsy done on a Columbine student whose parents claim he was shot by sheriff's deputies shows that two bullets entered his chest and abdomen, with one resting in his body and the other exiting through his back. [photo] Oct. 2, 2000: Rich Petrone, whose stepson Danny Rohrbough was killed during the Columbine shootings, speaks in Golden, Colo. Daniel Rohrbough's parents allege student gunmen Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris could not have shot their son from the front because witnesses saw Daniel running from the gunmen. "The only other people with guns that day were law-enforcement officers," said Jim Rouse, the parents' attorney. Jefferson County spokeswoman Jennifer Watson said the county would not comment. Rohrbough and Daniel's mother, Sue Petrone, are suing the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office and others, claiming the deaths at Columbine could have been prevented. Daniel's autopsy, released Wednesday to fulfill a judge's order, showed that the 15-year-old died of extensive injuries to his chest resulting in excessive bleeding. The autopsy also showed Daniel was shot in the leg during the April 20, 1999, attack when Harris and Klebold killed 12 students and a teacher in the nation's worst school shooting before taking their own lives. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Million Mom Activist convicted of shooting man (fwd) Date: 05 Feb 2001 10:08:23 PST On Feb 5, Jim Zoes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I kid you not. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21617 Million Mom activist convicted in shooting Bereaved mother shot wrong man after son killed By Jon Dougherty 2001 WorldNetDaily.com A bereaved mother whose son was shot and killed nearly two years ago -- and who spoke out against gun violence and memorialized shooting victims at the "Million Mom March" rally in Washington, D.C., last Mother's Day -- was herself convicted of shooting a man she wrongly believed was her son's killer. [snip] Officials with the group, which has its main office in San Francisco General Hospital, did not return phone calls on Friday seeking comments about Graham's involvement with the Mother's Day speech or her conviction [snip] What hypocrisy! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: GovExec.com Bill Tracker Available (fwd) Date: 05 Feb 2001 19:38:05 PST On Feb 5, rzellich@csc.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] NEW! BILL TRACKER NOW AVAILABLE! Use Bill Tracker to track the status of the bills that matter to you most. Bill Tracker is permanently featured on the left-hand column of GovExec.com, above "Calendar". http://capwiz.com/govexec/issues/bills/ --- I used keyword "firearm" to search the Senate bills, and got 44 hits - a few of them are pretty obviously not firearms-related (one had the BATF name spelled out in full in a tax bill, for instance), but most were. Pretty much a laundry list of anti-gun bills...where the hell are the Republican-submitted bills to repeal the Brady Act, GCA 68, etc.? It can't hurt to submit them, and waste the time of the anti-gunners in the various committees, they way they submit anti-gun bills and wast the time of everybody else in the committees. Searching the House bills returned 96 hits - at least there were some recognizable pro-gun bills in that list...plus some real pieces of Sarah Brady wet-dream crap...sheesh... Then there was this one; what the heck is this about?: For the relief of Herman J. Koehler, III. Bill # H.R. 1397 Original Sponsor: Rep. Don Young (R-AK 99th) Sponsor/Cosponsor Total: 1 as of (12/13/1999) 0 Democrats 1 Republicans 0 Independents About This Legislation: 4/13/1999--Introduced. Relieves a named individual of any disabilities imposed upon him which prohibited him from shipping or transporting in interstate or foreign commerce, or possessing in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition, or from receiving such firearm or ammunition as a result of his conviction of a conspiracy to commit an offense against or to defraud the United States. -Rich [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: EIA Communique - 2/5 (fwd) Date: 05 Feb 2001 20:36:32 PST On Feb 5, Kevin M. McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Sent: 05 February, 2001 15:37 The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU -- February 5, 2001 On the Web at http://members.aol.com/educintel/eia 1) Breaking News: Misfire on NEA Gun Control Petitions? 2) NEA-Alaska, Staff Reach Tentative Agreement 3) Union, Governor Prepare for Hawaii Strike 4) Pennsylvania Union Ratchets Up Rally Pressure 5) Real World Education Reform Redux 6) Utah House Passes Paycheck Protection Bill 7) EIA Archives Repaired, Upgraded 8) Quotes of the Week + Breaking News: Misfire on NEA Gun Control Petitions? The 2000 NEA Representative Assembly required union headquarters to disseminate petitions calling for "meaningful gun control," to gather them together by January 15, 2001, and to deliver them to Congress no later than February 1, 2001. Did you see the petitions delivered on the evening news? Did you read about it in the New York Times or Washington Post? Did the NRA release a statement denouncing the effort? No? That's because NEA is still gathering petitions, now more than three weeks past the deadline. NEA Communications is in the process of passing details to EIA as this communiqu goes to press. EIA has heard anecdotal evidence that ad hoc efforts by gun-owning NEA members had a detrimental effect on signature-gathering in a number of states, but there is no clear sign of how widespread such efforts were, or whether they have any relation to the delay. When NEA delivers the information, EIA will, as a matter of course, pass it on to you. + NEA-Alaska, Staff Reach Tentative Agreement. NEA-Alaska and its staff union reached a tentative agreement on a four-year contract, effectively putting an end to the nearly three week long strike by union employees. Details of the terms are as yet unavailable. The staff union easily won the propaganda war, getting a letter from receptionist/secretary Kimila Cherry published in the Anchorage Daily News. Ms. Cherry, who was hired four months ago by NEA-Alaska, told readers she makes $21,500 a year and that the NEA-Alaska contract proposals "would push my family back onto public assistance." Well, Ms. Cherry is no doubt accurately describing her personal situation, but it bears noting the average NEA-Alaska support staffer (secretaries, receptionists and other low-level assistants) made $44,425 in 1995. Either Ms. Cherry is being robbed, or she's due for a big raise pretty soon, new contract or not. The next staff union hijinks will likely occur once again in California, where the California Teachers Association and its staff union, the California Staff Organization, will begin bargaining in April. CSO accepted a one-year deal last September in order to avoid labor unrest prior to the November elections. + Union, Governor Prepare for Hawaii Strike. "No textbooks, no contract!" declared Hawaii Gov. Ben Cayetano, reflecting his position that $40 million proposed for technology and textbooks should take precedence over the four-year, 22 percent pay hike the Hawaii State Teachers Association is seeking. "I think it's wrong for educators to hold hostage these basic tools for learning so that they can get more pay," Cayetano said. "I hope the HSTA backs off from that position." HSTA also received bad news from the Democrat-dominated legislature, which originally was going to produce a budget that included 14.5 percent raises for all public employee unions. But now, legislative leaders say they can't produce that amount without cuts elsewhere. In the meantime, HSTA isn't sitting on its hands. NEA is already asking staffers from affiliates in Western states to volunteer to work two-week terms in Hawaii if HSTA goes on strike in the spring. Though a strike seems unavoidable, there is some sense that this all may be street theater before the usual solution is invoked. "If it is the policy of the House to pay as you go and you exhaust the fund balance and you can't pay HSTA, it forces us into a corner of raising taxes, which a lot of us don't want," said House Speaker Calvin Say. Translation: We have to pretend to fight before we surrender or the GOP may pick up another seven seats next year. + Pennsylvania Union Ratchets Up Rally Pressure. The Pennsylvania State Education Association has been planning its March 4 Rally for Children and Public Education at the state Capitol in Harrisburg for more than seven months. Nevertheless, it appears PSEA is less than thrilled with the initial number of participants. "Some locals have not reported any attendance by anybody including the local president," PSEA Communications admonished union activists in an e-mail message. "It appears some of the largest locals never passed out the fliers we prepared before Thanksgiving!" The union plans to have rally coordinators contact each local president by mail to increase the body count. + Real World Education Reform Redux. Last November, EIA devoted a large portion of a communiqu to examining what happens to education reforms after they are implemented. The evidence suggested that so much effort was expended in getting reforms passed, that no one had energy remaining to ensure they were achieving the desired results. Latest case in point: Philadelphia's staff hiring reform. Last year, the Philadelphia School District braved union opposition to include a new contract provision that would allow individual schools to choose their own teachers, rather than rely on the seniority system. The Philadelphia Federation of Teachers ultimately acquiesced, but insisted that such hiring could only be done by committees made up of both teachers and administrators, and then only after two-thirds of the staff approved. With those strictures in place, only 44 schools out of 260 even bothered to hold an election on the idea. And of those 44, only 12 approved it. "I think 12 is a good amount because we haven't done this before," Marj Adler, the district's executive director of human resources told Education Week. "This will enable us to get the kinks out." + Utah House Passes Paycheck Protection Bill. The Utah Education Association had been feeling its oats the last six months, staging a one-day walkout and demanding higher salaries and smaller classes. Last week, the Utah House fired back, passing a bill that would ban the automatic deduction of PAC contributions from the paychecks of public employees. The bill is expected to easily pass the Senate. UEA is already planning a court challenge if Gov. Mike Leavitt signs the bill into law. Such paycheck protection laws in other states have had a dramatic effect on union PAC contributions, but very little effect on union political activities. Funds that previously would have gone directly to candidates were instead applied to independent expenditures, or other "political information" activities. The end result has made virtually no difference in the political landscape. Utah, however, may be a different test case because it will be the first state (to my knowledge) to have both paycheck protection and right-to-work laws, which means unions will not be able to compel payments in other forms without the risk of losing members. + EIA Archives Repaired, Upgraded. My apologies to those of you who have been having difficulties wrestling with the EIA Communiqu archives. The problems have been corrected and you should have no problem with keyword searches of all EIA bulletins dating back to November 22, 1999 (if you need something further back, to the origins of EIA on June 22, 1997, please e-mail EducIntel@aol.com). In addition, you can now call up the text of communiqu s, by date, directly from the archives index page. + Quote of the Week #1. "Personally, I don't think there are bad teachers." -- Julie Nau, president of Wake-NCAE, the Wake County affiliate of the North Carolina Association of Educators. (Raleigh News & Observer, January 31, 2001) + Quote of the Week #2. "Some schools are reputed to have gone overboard, assigning hours and hours of homework, and doubtless they should moderate their zeal. But the mass emotional appeal of this book seems drawn from a more insidious source, namely that today's parents cannot tolerate the least emotional discomfort in their children. The smallest tantrum throws them into panic. It seems that parents don't want to be parents anymore. It's too painful to discipline children when we want them to be our friends. The last thing we want is to alienate' them by insisting that they do their homework. What many parents and teachers have lost sight of is that the most important lesson homework teaches is personal responsibility and self-discipline. Homework is practice for life." -- John D. Gartner, assistant professor of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University Medical School, reviewing the book The End of Homework: How Homework Disrupts Families, Overburdens Children, and Limits Learning, by Etta Kravolec and John Buell, in the January 22, 2001 issue of National Review. # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, analysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. Fax: 916-392-1482. E-Mail: EducIntel@aol.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Winning It Back (fwd) Date: 06 Feb 2001 16:12:33 PST On Feb 6, Kevin M. McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Things sure look a lot different now that the Clintons are no longer haunting the Melanin-Deficient House. But even though there are scattered signs that the American people are no longer hypnotized by the Bill & Hill Show, there's a long row to hoe before we can realistically expect major improvements in the statutes that afflict us. As Clinton demonstrated during impeachment, the Rule of Law depends more than we've been willing to admit on the political will being manifest to maintain it. If the political winds are blowing toward privilege and exception rather than to equality before the law, officials will be willing to take actions that undermine the Rule of Law and know that they will get away with it. A public that has not been properly instructed as to the moral case for the Rule of Law cannot be expected to value it above the prospect of winning privilege by supporting politicians who promise it to them. People in our line of activism have grown accustomed to having to argue, for example, that our nation is a republic, not a democracy. Not all that long ago such a point need not have been made. But it is easier for a society to lose its bearings than to regain them. Today only a lucky few are likely even to understand the difference between a republic and a democracy. I even had to provide a glib answer for a pro-gun activist who was having difficulty himself pinning down the difference. When even those who must instruct, need instruction, quick resolution of the problem at hand is not an option. This realization has left me somewhat nervous about how well we all may capitalize on the opportunities that will come in the next few years. This misunderstanding of the difference between democracy and a republic is, I think, at the heart of our problem. In a democracy, it is not merely so that the majority rules regardless of whether it is right - after all, in a constitutional republic the constitution, being the work of mere men, is not always right. Ours started out by denying full citizenship to black people. What truly distinguishes a democracy from a republic is sovereignty. In a democracy, any majority in any decision-making process has sovereignty of the moment. In a republic, sovereignty is invested permanently and does not drift to and fro with the winds of popular opinion. In a constitutional republic, sovereignty is invested in the Constitution. It is true that the people, through their representatives in public office, may amend the Constitution, but the procedures for doing so are explicitly described in the Constitution itself - the people and their officials do not have the authority to amend it by other means. What the people do retain that gives them ultimate power over the Constitution is the same thing people in other countries retain: a natural, unalienable right to revolution, the right described in the Declaration of Independence. But the American people as a body are no more sovereign in America than are the people of England or Russia or Cuba. We have more substantial effect over our government than people elsewhere, only because the Constitution provides for the procedures for peaceably changing the occupants of our public offices, just as it does for amendment. This is not to say that our fundamental freedoms are given to us by our Constitution. After all, the Constitution does not include a right to revolution, yet that right certainly exists. Nor would the fundamental right to defend oneself as well as one's family, property, community or country disappear overnight if the Second Amendment were to be repealed. A sovereign Constitution is no more infallible than a sovereign mob. The advantage of a constitutional republic is simply permanence of authority - without lifetime appointments for legislative and executive policymakers, that permanence of authority must be invested somewhere. It is unfortunate that the Founding Fathers did not see fit to make all three branches of government impermanent, since I believe it is the permanence of federal judges that has made them confident enough to challenge the sovereignty of the Constitution. But even if that is a fault that must be repaired, now is not even close to the time that it could be done. There is too much else to be done first, about which none of us have any doubt. In the short term, of course we must make sure our elected officials never forget that under the Constitution we have authority over them at election time, and that they must attend to the fundamental rights of the people and uphold the Rule of Law. But in the aftermath of the Clinton presidency we must recognize that the political impact of such reminders has been washed almost entirely away. Unless and until we bring the rest of the American people up to speed on how our Constitutional republic works and why it is necessary to maintain it, they will continue to believe that America is a democracy where the inconstant will o' the people is never to be challenged. It is not enough merely to assert that ours is a republic-not-a-democracy. We have to explain what the difference is and why it matters, and in such a way that the average American hearing it does not immediately tune us out as cranks. Nobody ever said the 21st century would be easy. Kevin M. McGehee Coweta County, Georgia mcgehee@charter.net http://www.McGeheeZone.com/ "Would you think I was joking if I said that you can put a clock back, and that if the clock is wrong it is often a very sensible thing to do?" -- C.S. Lewis, in *Mere Christianity* [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: [Fwd: CORRECTION - "Challenge to America: A Current Assessment of our Date: 06 Feb 2001 19:40:01 -0600 -------- Original Message -------- Republic" Reply-To: "The Liberty Committee" February 6, 2001 Dear friend of liberty, Congressman Ron Paul, our honorary chairman, will present his "Challenge to America: A Current Assessment of our Republic" on the floor of the U.S. House. Dr. Paul's speech will be presented in two segments. The first segment will be presented Wednesday, February 7 shortly after 12:00 noon ET. The second segment will be presented Thursday, February 8 soon after 10:00 a.m. ET. Both segments will be presented as special-order speeches. C-SPAN (http://www.c-span.org/) television and radio will broadcast Dr. Paul's speech as part of their regular coverage of the U.S. House. Kent Snyder The Liberty Committee http://www.thelibertycommittee.org Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Former Waco Prosecutor to Plead Guilty (fwd) Date: 07 Feb 2001 10:07:25 PST On Feb 6, C. D. Tavares wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] At 10:21 AM -0600 2/6/01, you wrote: > Former Waco Prosecutor to Plead Guilty > Charges Stemmed from Branch Davidian Trial > The Associated Press > Johnson has admitted withholding information dealing with the FBI's use of > pyrotechnic gas on April 19, 1993, the final day of a 51-day standoff that > ended with the death of Davidian leader David Koresh and some 80 followers > perished. > > Johnston told the newspaper he was improperly singled out for prosecution > but couldn't afford to fight the charges. Damn straight. As usual, the AP is spinning the story by leaving out salient facts. The missing notes that Johnston "withheld" concerned somebody's story about the use of pyro rounds against a target that was AWAY FROM the house where the people were. It's nothing but an excuse used to punish Johnston because he was actually a whistleblower AGAINST the Justice Department coverup. See below. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Sender: fap-approval@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: fap@world.std.com "...............have deceived the American people for over seven years ............." http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/195739_waco_20tex.ART.html Panel faults Reno, Clinton on Waco Justice disputes public was misled 10/20/2000 By Lee Hancock and Michelle Mittelstadt / The Dallas Morning News A congressional report released Thursday alleges that President Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno misled the public for years with claims that military experts endorsed the "flawed" FBI tear-gas attack that ended the Branch Davidian siege. "President Clinton and Attorney General Reno have deceived the American people for over seven years by misrepresenting that the military endorsed, sanctioned or otherwise approvingly evaluated the plan," stated the report by the Republican-led House Government Reform Committee. The report also vigorously criticizes the Justice Department's response in the aftermath of the tragedy, contending that the agency's actions "were consistent with an organization that was not eager to learn the full truth about what happened on April 19, 1993." Justice Department officials took issue with the report's main thrusts: That Ms. Reno misled the American people about whether the military had approved the FBI tear-gas plan and that she was less than vigorous in ordering an internal investigation of the Waco tragedy or rushed it for political reasons. "We wish it would have reflected a more balanced and objective view of the facts," said Justice Department spokesman Myron Marlin. An opposing report by the committee's Democratic minority also disputed the Republican majority's criticism of Ms. Reno. Committee Democrats contended that the attorney general acted properly during and after the siege and said the committee had wasted more than a year of investigative resources on the Waco tragedy. Democrats said that the committee's findings duplicate earlier investigations or were unsupported. Both reports cap a yearlong investigation by the same committee that conducted highly partisan hearings in 1995 on the Waco tragedy. Inquiry reopened The committee reopened its inquiry in September 1999 after FBI and Justice officials were forced to reverse years of public denials and acknowledge that military pyrotechnic tear-gas grenades had been used at the end of the siege. That admission and a federal prosecutor's warnings to the attorney general of a possible cover-up of the use of pyrotechnic tear gas prompted Ms. Reno to appoint Waco special prosecutor John C. Danforth. Mr. Danforth issued a preliminary report in July exonerating the government of "bad acts" and clearing Ms. Reno of wrongdoing. About 80 Branch Davidians died April 19, 1993, when their compound burned. The fire broke out about six hours after FBI agents began ramming the building with tanks and spraying in tear gas to force an end to a 51-day standoff. The siege began when a gunfight broke out as federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents tried to search the Davidian complex and arrest leader David Koresh on weapons charges. Four ATF agents and six Branch Davidians died. The committee inquiry that led to Thursday's report began with intense partisan sniping. Ranking minority member Henry Waxman, D-Calif., chastised chairman Dan Burton, R-Ind., in September 1999 after the chairman accused Justice Department officials of withholding from Congress parts of an FBI report that identified one tear gas round used at Waco as a military device. Mr. Waxman's staff discovered last fall that several copies of the report, including the reference to the military rounds, were given to the committee before its 1995 hearings. Probe called flawed On Thursday, Democrats renewed their criticism, charging that the committee's investigation was flawed because of its beginnings with that "false accusation." But the committee's majority noted that those documents were "dumped" on the committee three days before the start of the 1995 hearings "in an apparent hope that ... no one would have the opportunity to find these documents and ask relevant questions." "Justice Department officials were more concerned in 1995 with their own political self- preservation than their duty of full disclosure to the American people and the Congress," the report charges. The report includes accounts from an Army general and colonel of how they refused Ms. Reno's request to evaluate an FBI plan to assault the Davidian compound when FBI officials were seeking her approval for the final tear-gas operation. The two special forces officers, who were never interviewed by Justice officials assigned to review government actions in Waco, said they told Ms. Reno that federal "posse comitatus" limits on military involvement in domestic law enforcement actions prohibited them from offering any critique of the plan to end the siege. 'Is this legal?' At one point in discussing the operation plan, then Deputy Attorney General Webster Hubbell asked one of the officers, "Is this legal?" the report states. "The Army colonel did not answer when Hubbell looked at him, but stated during his interview with committee staff that his private thought at the time was, 'That's your job, not mine.'" The report adds that both officers told congressional investigators that they were stunned when they later learned that the plan had been allowed to go forward. "They were convinced the FBI would never execute the proposed operations plan," the report states. "The Army Colonel stated he believed the Attorney General 'didn't buy the plan being proposed by the FBI.' ... His impression from the meeting was that no one thought it was a smart way to proceed. He went on to state that he was astonished when he saw the fire on TV on April 19, 1993. "General [Peter] Schoomacher ... thought at the time of the meeting with Attorney General Reno was that HRT [Hostage Rescue Team] should have put a fence around the compound and waited until the Branch Davidians came out from hunger, but he did not state this thought openly." Ms. Reno later told Congress that the officers had told her the FBI's plan was "excellent," and President Clinton told reporters that he was told the military officers "were in basic agreement" with the FBI's plan. On Thursday, one Justice official who spoke on condition of anonymity disputed as "fundamentally incorrect" the charges that the officers' views were misrepresented or that they were improperly asked for input. Democrats contend that the officers' statements were misinterpreted and added that Ms. Reno's account of the meeting was supported by three other Justice officials. "The majority grossly exaggerates the significance of what is largely a difference in semantics and subjective impressions," the Democrats' report states. While the committee report diverges from the Danforth report with its intense criticism of the attorney general, its conclusions mirror several key findings of the special counsel. Like Mr. Danforth and a federal court in Waco that recently threw out a wrongful-death lawsuit filed by surviving Davidians, the congressional committee found no evidence that government agents fired at the sect at the end of the siege. But the report notes, "It is extremely unlikely that anyone will ever be able to prove, scientifically, that no government agent ever fired a shot at the Davidians on April 19, 1993." Lawyers criticized The report criticizes Justice Department lawyers who prosecuted Davidians after the siege, contending that lead prosecutors Ray and LeRoy Jahn of San Antonio and former prosecutor Bill Johnston of Waco were told in 1993 that the FBI had used pyrotechnic tear gas. Ray Jahn told Congress in 1995 that only nonpyrotechnic gas was used in Waco, and his wife, LeRoy, signed pleadings during the criminal case that offered similar statements. Records made public last fall included Mrs. Jahn's 1993 notes referring to the FBI's use of military, pyrotechnic rounds. The congressional report notes that recent admissions about the use of pyrotechnic gas were largely due to Mr. Johnston's public warnings to Ms. Reno of a possible cover-up. But it noted that Mr. Johnston withheld personal notes from the committee that show he was told in the fall of 1993 that "incind" or incendiary military gas rounds were fired at a bunker near the compound. "While Johnston deserves credit for his role in bringing to light the use of pyrotechnic devices on April 19, 1993, a secret that lasted for seven years, his record in this matter is a mixed one," the report states. "Johnston performed a public service for which he suffered undeserved reprisals from the Department of Justice. On the other hand, Johnston's apparent decision to withhold his handwritten notes ... cannot be overlooked or excused." A lawyer for the former prosecutor has said that the Waco special counsel has threatened to prosecute Mr. Johnston for withholding the notes. The lawyer has said that Mr. Danforth's office tried to convince Mr. Johnston to plead guilty and testify against the Jahns. Mr. Johnston has refused. Neither Mr. Johnston's lawyer nor the Jahns' attorney could be reached Thursday. Among other findings of the report: * The committee disagreed with a recent court ruling that the FBI did not deviate improperly from a Washington-approved plan. "The plan, as executed, was more aggressive and destructive than the plan that was approved, and resembled closely earlier plans which had not been approved," the report contends. * Ms. Reno failed to explain why she approved the plan after initially rejecting it - a charge that Democrats and Justice officials dispute. * Ms. Reno promised a comprehensive review, but her department's investigation "was negligent and was improperly rushed to its conclusion solely for political purposes." Democrats and Justice officials also dispute that. * Department of Defense officials did not conduct an after-action report to account for assistance that state National Guard units and federal military personnel provided to law enforcement agencies during the incident. This contributed to the failure of both the military and the FBI to account for 250 high-explosive rounds that records indicate were distributed to FBI personnel from Fort Hood during the siege. The report recommends an annual accounting to Congress of all military support of domestic law enforcement as well as notification of Congressional leaders whenever U.S. special forces units are asked to provide equipment, support personnel or advice for law enforcement operations. -- Tavares@alum.mit.edu | http://home.earthlink.net/~cdtavares | RKBA! When you disarm your subjects, you offend them by showing that either from cowardliness or lack of faith, you distrust them; and either conclusion will induce them to hate you. -- NICCOLO MACHIAVELLI [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: NAACP tax status questioned (fwd) Date: 07 Feb 2001 11:12:12 PST On Feb 06, josie bass wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 04:32:00 -0500 >From: Charleston Voice >Subject: NAACP tax status questioned > >Don't hold your breath on this one. Any serious look into the NAACP's tax >charter would threaten to expose the un-Constitutionality of any and all >other non-profits which would mean dismantling a large chunk of the >Establishment and its tax-free foundations. There are now hundreds of >billions and tens of thousands people who have become dependent on other >peoples money. We have been unable to find in our Constitution where any >class of people or group is entitled to receive special privileges from >the federal government. Can you? >For additional articles on NAACP, see: >Julian Bond, Man Under >the Hood: >http://billsbest.tripod.com/JULIANBOND.htm > >NAACP, Enemy of America: http://billsbest.tripod.com/NAACP.htm > >---------- > >http://asp.washtimes.com/printarticle.asp?action=print&ArticleID=default-2001262 > > > >The Washington Times >www.washtimes.com > >---------- > > >NAACP tax status questioned > > > >Steve Miller and Jerry Seper >THE WASHINGTON TIMES >Published 2/6/01 > >---------- > The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People > claims to be nonpartisan, but it uses its millions of dollars to promote > the Democrat's agenda. > Conservative critics question its claim to nonprofit status, arguing > that the exemption shelters its $14 million annual budget from being > taxed, and note that in the most recent presidential campaign the NAACP, > which once derided big money as a corrupting influence, established two > independent fund-raising organizations to conduct the kind of political > warfare it once denounced. > The NAACP National Voter Fund and Americans for Equality drew on a > combined $10 million to finance get-out-the-vote efforts and issue ads > that energized Democratic voters. > "This is a group that, because of its politics, has become far > removed from its constituents," says Phyllis Berry Myers, executive > director of the Center for New Black Leadership, which leans Republican. > "It survives through teachers unions, labor unions. . . . They allow > themselves to be the sole subsidiary of the Democratic Party, and it has > done a great disservice to black voters. It makes us politically impotent." > > >Forbidden endorsements > > > > The NAACP leaders declined numerous requests for interviews. The > organization's communications director, John White, agreed only to > respond to questions in writing. "The NAACP takes positions on public > policy issues that further its goal of achieving the political, > educational, social and economic equality of minority group citizens of > the United States," Mr. White wrote, and takes positions "regardless of > whether such positions are associated" with either party. > Mr. White says the NAACP's 500,000 members are drawn from both > parties, and the board of directors is bipartisan. Further, "NAACP > national and local staffs are strictly forbidden from endorsing > candidates for public office." > Some members dispute this. Shannon Reeves, a Republican and chairman > of the Oakland, Calif., chapter of the NAACP, is one of them. "Just > because you're a Democrat doesn't make you any blacker than me," he said > in a dispute last year. "For decades, black leadership has been > compensated for how they deliver black voters to Democratic candidates." > In Virginia last year, the NAACP's national leadership suspended > Paul C. Gillis as president of the association's Suffolk, Va., branch > after he endorsed Republican George F. Allen for the U.S. Senate. > Mr. Gillis was later reinstated >after he was told to "serve the larger goals and policies of the NAACP in >a manner that will not require us to revisit this issue." The national >NAACP, which ran radio ads criticizing Mr. Allen, said Mr. Gillis had >engaged in pa-------------- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: [Fwd: New Liberty Caucus Member] Date: 08 Feb 2001 18:29:17 -0600 -------- Original Message -------- Reply-To: "The Liberty Committee" February 8, 2001 Dear friend of liberty, Representative Denny Rehberg joined The Liberty Caucus yesterday morning. Representative Rehberg was recently elected to the U.S. House. He is serving in his first term representing the citizens of Montana. We are looking forward to working with him. If you live in Montana, please call Mr. Rehberg and thank him for joining our efforts. Representative Rehberg's telephone number is 202-225-3211. All other members of The Liberty Caucus, other than those who did not seek re-election, are continuing their membership in the caucus. If you reside in a congressional district of a caucus member, please call him and thank him for continuing his membership in The Liberty Caucus. Here is a list of those caucus members with their telephone numbers: Ron Paul (honorary chairman), Texas 14th, 202-225-2831 Roscoe Bartlett, Maryland 6th, 202-225-2721 John J. Duncan, Jr., Tennessee 2nd, 202-225-5435 Virgil Goode, Jr., Virginia 5th, 202-225-4711 John Hostettler, Indiana 8th, 202-225-4636 Walter Jones, Jr., North Carolina 3rd, 202-225-3415 Jack Kingston, Georgia 1st, 202-225-5831 Richard Pombo, California 11th, 202-225-1947 Bob Schaffer, Colorado 4th, 202-225-4676 John Shadegg, Arizona 4th, 202-225-3361 Bob Stump, Arizona 3rd, 202-225-4576 Tom Tancredo, Colorado 6th, 202-225-7882 Pat Toomey, Pennsylvania 15th, 202-225-6411. Helen Chenoweth-Hage (Idaho), Rick Hill (Montana), Mark Sanford, Jr. (South Carolina), and Jack Metcalf (Washington) did not seek re-election and are now emeritus members of The Liberty Caucus. Kent Snyder The Liberty Committee http://www.thelibertycommittee.org ----- Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Montana Pleads the 10th: UN Get Out! (fwd) Date: 09 Feb 2001 10:34:20 PST On Feb 08, dkuehne@erols.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Didn't Oklahoma try something like this right around February 1995? Look out! Montana better brace for a "domestic terrorism" incident. --- forwarded message --- Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 From: Freedom Page Subject: Montana Pleads the 10th: UN Get Out! Friends, This is one bill that I would like to see passed in every state. This is being sent to both the main list and the Alabama list. Jim Hardin The Freedom Page http://www.freedompage.ws To receive Freedom Page mail, put "Subscribe" as subject to freedompage@mindspring.com To be removed, put "Remove" as subject. Alabama Committee To Get Us Out of the UN http://themustardseed.home.mindspring.com The Tenth Amendment in action, my friends! Don't you wish you had a state representative as courageous as Mr. Brueggeman? Why don't you? The Honorable John BrueggemanState RepresentativeHouse District 74 My dear friend, Here is the attachment of the United Nations Free Zone bill draft we discussed on the telephone. I await anxiously your response to what number this bill draft is to be assigned, and will do all I possibly can to muster full support and lobby effort on your behalf for sponsoring this bill for We the People. For this John, I shall remain eternally grateful ! Stop by when you get back home here in the valley, we'll have lunch and go to the shooting range for some practice on the Maadi 50 cal. You'll get a kick out of it ( really !) I have taken the liberty of sending a copy of this message to Dan New , with out whom I could not have made this draft.Again, thank you very much for your support on behalf of this bill. In Freedom and Liberty, ">Michael HeitVice- ChairmanThe Constitution Party of MontanaPatriothttp://www.constitutionparty.org ---------- MODEL UNITED NATIONS FREE BILL DRAFT. Section 1. Name Section 2. Purpose Section 3. Findings Section 4. Prohibitions Section 5. United Nations-Free Contracts and Investments Section 6. Reporting and Information Sect ion 7 Community Right to Know Sect ion 8 Public Not ice of United Nat ions-Free Zone Section 9. Enforcement Section 10 Severability Section 1 Name. This Chapter shall be known as The United Nations-free Zone of the Republic of MONTANA. Section 2. Purpose. The purpose of this Ordinance is to make the Republic of MONTANA United Nations-Free; that is: 1.. To maintain and preserve the Supreme Law of the Land as set forth in the Constitution of the state of MONTANA, and of these united States to the benefit of the people of the Republic of MONTANA, including but not limited to, the freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly and petition, and the rights to bear arms, to trial by jury, to the privilege against self-incrimination and to the common law writ of habeas corpus. 2.. To oppose the United Nations Charter as an illegitimate and unconstitutional charter. 3.. To resist the United Nations' unconstitutional and illegal usurpation of American sovereignty. 4.. To restore completely the People of the Several States as the final and ultimate civil authority in these united States of America. 5.. To recognize no executive, legislative or judicial power within the city limits other than those powers duly constituted by t he People in the Constitution of the Republic of MONTANA and by the Peoples of the Several States in the united States Constitution. 6.. To protect the citizens of the Republic of MONTANA, especially those who are members of the United States armed forces, from involuntary servitude to the United Nations 7.. To rid the city of the presence of any and all United Nations personnel and facilities. 8.. To refuse any and all United Nations funded programs, studies, or other activities within the limits of MONTANA. 9.. To prohibit the investment of any funds in any business, government agency or other entity which supports or cooperates with the United Nations. 10.. To protect the citizens of MONTANA from taxation without representation, by forbidding the implementation within the Republic of Montana of any tax, levy, fee, assessment, surcharge, or any other financial imposition by the United Nations. 11.. To establish a citizen's right to know about, and to increase citizen awareness of, the activities of the United Nations. Section 3. Findings The People of MONTANA find that: 1.. The Legislature of the Republic of Montana is bound by oath and affirmation to support the Constitution of the United States and, pursuant to that oath and Article VI of the United States Constitution, to obey only treaties "made under the Authority of the United States." 2.. The United Nations Charter is not a treaty "made under the Authority of the United States," but an illegitimate and unconstitutional international constitution, having never been submitted to, nor ratified by, the People of the United States, as required by Declaration of Independence, the charter of our nation. 3.. The United States government has absolutely no Constitutional authority to participate in any United Nations program or activity, and United Nations personnel and facilities have absolutely no legal right to be within the geographic boundaries of the United States. 4.. The Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court of the United States, in violation of their sworn constitutional duties under Article VI of the United States Constitution, have utterly failed to protect the American people from the United Nations' usurpation of the sovereignty of the American people, including the sovereign powers of the people of this Republic. 5.. The Legislature of the Republic of Montana, bound by its oath to support the Constitution of the United States and by its duties under Article VI of the United States Constitution, must protect the sovereignty of this Republic and of its people, and to that end, 1.. No citizen of MONTANA shall be required to serve the United Nations in any capacity. 2.. No United Nations personnel or facilities may be present or may be located within the geographic limits of MONTANA. 3.. No United Nations funded programs, studies or other United Nations sponsored or funded activities may take place within the geographic limits of MONTANA. 4.. No funds may be invested in, nor may any MONTANA personnel participate with, any business, government agency or other entity which supports or cooperates in any way with the United Nations. 6.. The People of Republic have a right to know about the unconstitutional and unlawful activities of the United Nations, as they impact on this Republic, and the State Legislature has a duty to its people to increase citizen awareness of the United Nations through community, school, and civic educational programs. Section 4. Prohibitions 1.. Cessation of Present Activities. No person, corporation, school, college, university, institution, or other entity shall within the Republic of MONTANA knowingly aid or abet any illegal or unconstitutional activity of the United Nations or of any entity financially supported by or affiliated with the United Nations. This prohibition shall take effect immediately after the adoption of this bill, upon receiving the signature of the Governor. 2.. Commencement of Work for the United Nations. No person, corporation, school, college, university, institution, or other entity which is not, as of the date this ordinance is adopted, engaged in any work for the United Nations, or any entity financially supported by or affiliated with the United Nations, shall, within the Republic of MONTANA, aid or abet any illegal or unconstitutional activity of the United Nations or of any entity financially supported by or affiliated with the United Nations. 3.. United Nations Flags and Symbols. No flag, symbol, or other logo of the United Nations shall be displayed on city property, provided however, that this prohibition does not apply to a photograph or other pictorial display of such flags, symbols or logos as part of an exhibit of an historical nature. 4.. United Nations Personnel. No United Nations personnel may conduct any official United Nations activity of any kind whatsoever and, under no circumstances, may United Nations peacekeeping or other troops be quartered on any property within the geographic limits of MONTANA. 5.. United Nations Tax. No tax, levy, surcharge, fee, assessment, or other financial burden authorized by the United Nations may be imposed on or collected from any person within the geographic limits of MONTANA. 6.. United Nations Restraints. No arrest or restraint of the liberty of any citizen of MONTANA by any official acting under the authority of the United Nations may be effected within the geographic limits of MONTANA. 7.. International Court Decree. No judicial order, decree or judgment entered by any international court under the authority of the United Nations shall be enforceable within the geographic limits of MONTANA . Section 5. United Nations Free Contracts and Investments 1.. Contracts. The Republic of MONTANA shall grant no contract to any person, business or nonprofit entity which knowingly engages in work for the United Nations, or for any entity supported by or affiliated with the United Nations, unless the State Legislature in a super majority vote of both houses, makes a specific determination that no reasonable alternative exists, taking into consideration the following factors: 1.. The intent and purposes of this ordinance; 2.. The availability of alternative services, goods and equipment, or other supplies substantially meeting the required specifications of the proposed contract; and 3.. Quantifiable additional costs resulting from use of available alternatives. 2.. Investments. The Republic of MONTANA shall refrain from making any new investments in businesses that knowingly engage in work, whether with or without remuneration, for the United Nations, including advertising support of, subsidies for, or promotions of the United Nations, its supporters and affiliates, and their activities. Within two years of the adoption of this ordinance, the Republic of MONTANA shall divest itself from all such investments currently held by it (including pension funds). The State Legislature shall adopt a economically responsible plan with respect to any pension fund and other investments and shall implement such plan consistent with the intent of this ordinance. Section 6. Reports and Information In the event that Section 4A or B is unenforceable, and so long as any work for or with the United Nations, its financed supporters and affiliates continues within the Republic of MONTANA, the following monitoring of such activities shall be carried out by the Republic of MONTANA through such agencies as the State Legislature shall designate. 1.. Annual Reporting. Each person, corporation, school, college, university, institution, or other entity engaged in work for or with the United Nations, its supporters or affiliates (hereinafter designated as "United Nations agent") shall prepare an annual report which details the activities and programs engaged in, names the agency or entity worked for or with, states the nature of the relationship between that agency or entity and the United Nations and specifies the reasons for continuation of such work or relationship. These annual reports shall be filed with the designated City, County and State agency or agencies and shall also be made available for inspection and copying by any interested member of the public. 2.. Information. The Republic of MONTANA may require any United Nations agent to provide such further information as the Legislature deems is necessary to keep the citizens adequately informed of "United Nations activity" within Republic of MONTANA and at such reasonable times and places as the Legislature determines. 3.. Signs. Every facility within the Republic of MONTANA in which work for or with the United Nations, its supporters or affiliates takes place shall be required to install and maintain signs clearly visible to any passing person, identifying the facility with the legend "UNITED NATIONS WORK CONDUCTED HERE." 4.. Fee: Each United Nations agent shall be assessed a fee at rates to be determined by the Legislature, which shall be at least adequate to cover, in the aggregate, the costs of administering this act. Section 7. Community Right to Know The Republic of MONTANA, through its own agencies and in cooperation with other local government agencies and educational organizations and interested citizen groups, shall assist and promote educational activities, including but not limited to curriculum in public schools and adult education programs, to advance public awareness and understanding of work for the United Nations, its supporters and affiliates and related matters as addressed in this ordinance. Section 8. Public Notice of United Nations-Free Zone Every road entering any City of the Republic of MONTANA which has a sign marking the City limits as of the date of the passage of this ordinance, and every road entering any City of The Republic of MONTANA which shall, after the passage of this ordinance, be so marked, will also be marked equally prominently with a sign reading "United Nations-free zone, established by State Law (MCA number)." These signs shall be posted no later than ninety (90) days after passage of this ordinance, and shall be at least two feet by three feet in size. Section 9. Enforcement Each violation of this ordinance shall be punishable by up to thirty days imprisonment and a five hundred dollar fine. Each day shall be deemed a separate violation. Residents of the Republic of MONTANA shall also have the right to enforce this ordinance by appropriate civil actions for declaratory or injunctive relief. Section 10. Severability If any section, subsection, paragraph, or word of this ordinance shall be held to be invalid, either on its face or as applied, the invalidity of such provision shall not affect the other sections, subsections paragraphs, sentences or words of this ordinance and the application thereof; and to that end the sections, subsections, paragraphs, sentences and words of this ordinance shall be deemed to be severable. --- Want to know the truth about the Confederate Battle Flag? Just click: http://www.freedompage.ws/store.html for info on how to order the tape. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Want Your Country Back?] (fwd) Date: 10 Feb 2001 01:22:34 PST On Feb 09, Charles C. Carter wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Great article: Begin recruiting pro-Constitution candidates for 2002. Go to your county voter registrar's office and obtain the list of open non-partisan and partisan public positions coming up and fill all of them. JUST DO IT!!!!! Want Your Country Back? Here's A Start... by Darrel Mulloy An Internet Publication for Real Americans Last Roundup: 02/07/2001 Want Your Country Back? Here's A Start Action Speaks Much Louder Than Words By Darrel Mulloy - Published: 02.07.01 It appears that it is our fate, the fate of the American people, to be turned from citizens into subjects. Subtle changes in the way we are governed are taking place daily, and day by day we lose some of the freedoms that for so many years were taken for granted. While we are not directly cut off from these freedoms, we are incrementally losing them anyway. The sad thing is that we seem powerless to do anything about those changes. Affluence builds complacency, and today we are for the most part an affluent society, with most households the proud owners of at least two cars, multiple television sets, at least one computer, microwaves, electronic games of some sort, all of the food we could want, at the drop of a hat, and multiple other creature comforts that our parents and grandparents would have thought were only attainable by the very richest in our society. We are fat, comfortable, and complacent! We have the ability to take long vacations, buy expensive toys, and find many other diversions to take us away from the reality that will inevitably face us, and there appears to be nothing we can do to stop that inevitability. We read a lot of material on the internet, written by those of us that have deep concerns about the doom we are facing if we don't find a way to turn things around, but for the most part, we are too disorganized to make the necessary changes, and too complacent to really care all that much. After all, life is good, isn't it? As a young man, a boy actually, I could walk into a store that sold guns, and if I had the money, buy one. The proprietor of that store was pretty sure that I was going to use that gun for hunting or target practice, as the thought of a boy buying a gun to use against his fellow schoolmates was unheard of. Also unheard of was the use of drugs like Ritalin or Prozac to keep those same schoolchildren sedate and controllable. The thing that kept us controllable was that paddle hanging in the principal's office, and it didn't usually take more than one visit to that office to change your attitude and your deportment. That paddle got your attention. Today a principal would probably be hauled off to jail for even having such an item in his office, let alone using it. I raised seven children, and for the most part they are pretty good citizens today. I think the occasional spanking they got for doing wrong is the reason that they are. Today's children who have an average attention span and are products of either dysfunctional homes or are in single parent upbringings are not offered the tough love that we used to get form our schoolteachers. Such an offer by a teacher would more than likely get them tossed out of their jobs. It is unfortunate that today most parents feel that creature comforts, toys and games are more important than giving children the kind of upbringing that I had the luxury of getting. The students of today are the citizens and legislators of tomorrow. Sadly, there are too few of those students that are getting the needed education to fulfill those roles. Indoctrination has taken the place of education, and feeling is taking the place of knowing, self-esteem is more important that individual responsibility. Today's graduates are leaving school with too little knowledge and too much indoctrination, and are perfect pawns for the use of those that want to change us into a socialist government. The recent presidential election has demonstrated to us how evenly we are divided as a nation, half believing in constitutional principles and the other half more than willing to accept socialism. Subtle changes have occurred over the years that have caused a change in the basic thinking of the American people. Today a fruit fly has more importance than the farmer whose land it lives on, trees are not God's gift to us for lumber and furniture, and the oil in the ground is not supposed to be taken from that ground for the use of man. Coal is bad, nature is good. Land is meant to be seen but not owned by man. Guns are only supposed to be in the hands of the military and police personnel, and it is wrong for the average citizen to own one, let alone carry one. Such thinking would have gotten one tossed into the loony bin about fifty years ago, but today it seems to be the prevalent way to think. While there are those of us that recognize that the change is happening, there appears to be nothing we can do about it. Sure, we write columns about it, email our associates and friends, and accept email and news updates from all sorts of sources we never had before the World Wide Web, but we are doing nothing. It is easy to write to our congressperson complaining about some upcoming legislation, and it is just as easy for them to write back, thanking you for your concern, but they are not doing anything to satisfy our concerns. Few, if any, of them understand their role in office, and even fewer understand the Constitution, their own job description. Few of us understand the role of local government, including those in local government. Until local governments understand their role in this whole picture, effective change will not be made. If a governor of a state and his legislature told the federal government that they had no claim on land in their states, and that they had no control over how a farmer or rancher in his state did his business, the federal government would have to allow the state to control all concerns within that state. Unfortunately, most of those we elect to our local governments, from small town government, county government, big city and state government, are either afraid or do not know that they have this authority. Probably the most important person you can elect in your local government is your county sheriff. Unknown to most who are serving as sheriffs in their respective counties, they have authority over any other law enforcement agency in the country, within their county. The Tenth U.S. District Court has declared that no law enforcement agency may do business within a county without first getting clearance from the sheriff of that county (2:96-cv-099-J). They still do, but only because we have sheriffs that either are ignorant of that ruling, or just don't care. There are a few, and too damn few, sheriffs that do have knowledge of that ruling and who do care, and in their counties there are no illegal intrusions by federal forces. To make the changes that we know have to be made, we must first elect to office those that understand this important ruling, and are willing to and have enough backbone to enforce the law in their counties. Dave Mattis in Bighorn County Wyoming was instrumental in getting this ruling passed, and in his county, he is the law, over all other law. Richard Mack in Arizona, also knows his role and duty under this ruling. In Colorado, we have a Libertarian sheriff in San Miguel County Bill Masters, that, while he may not be aware of that ruling, enforces the law there as if he was. Sheriff Masters says that if he had his way the slogan on the side of each police car in America would be "Liberty, Responsibility, and Community". It seems that too many are willing to give up their liberty, fail to accept responsibility, and lack the sense of community. Once we have elected sheriffs who understand that the federal government cannot intrude in their counties, and those sheriffs educate their county commissioners and the town boards in their counties, it won't be long before the state governments will follow and we can have our country back. Look around your community. Find someone who is willing to run for sheriff that is also willing to enforce his authority over those branches of government that would take your liberty and property away from you. It is up to us to make the change, and not by emailing our congressmen or writing letters to the editor, but by getting those that understand their job descriptions (The Constitution) elected, first to local positions, and if they prove satisfactory, to federal offices. Some may not be suited to the higher offices, and it is at the local level that we must weed them out, as when they get to the national level, it seems to be too late. I'm not suggesting that you stop writing to your congressmen, but that is not the only responsibility we have as citizens. Follow through by electing those that are willing to serve and who are willing to enforce the Constitution. www.SierraTimes.com All Sierra Times [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: larry ball Subject: [Fwd: Gun Show Loophole] Date: 10 Feb 2001 22:13:31 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------02E14510C0F869B1F3B2771C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------02E14510C0F869B1F3B2771C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by pigeon (mbox lball) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.22 1998/04/11) Sat Feb 10 18:36:28 2001) X-From_: majordom@mainstream.net Sat Feb 10 16:58:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fs1.mainstream.net (fs1.mainstream.net [206.97.102.4]) by pigeon.inebraska.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13132 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:58:33 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by fs1.mainstream.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07513; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:56:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200102102256.RAA07513@fs1.mainstream.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: noban@mainstream.net X-Divvy-no: 1 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Ceasfire, NRA, CCRK&B, and WAC have been secretly plotting a compromise gunshow background check. They planned to have a "done deal" to spring on gun owners. We would, and will be told that we can't win and if we don't cave Ceasefire will start an Initiative and they have $2,000,000 to spend on it. Well, let them spend it. If we cave on this they will just save the money and hit us with background checks for all private gun sales and worse. In a few days I will try to put together an e-mail list of the House Judiciary Committee members, our two Washington NRA Directors and a few others. Don't show them any mercy. Attached is a copy of the news release. Don Blackburn "LIVE FREE OR DIE, DEATH IS NOT THE WORST OF EVILS" Delicate talks progressing on gun show loophole bill By HUNTER T. GEORGE The Associated Press 2/8/01 10:10 PM OLYMPIA (AP) -- After weeks of delicate negotiations, key lawmakers say the gun lobby and advocates for gun control may be on the verge of an agreement to close the so-called gun-show loophole. Reps. Chris Hurst, D-Enumclaw, and Mike Carrell, R-Lakewood, have been serving as mediators as representatives of the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights organizations negotiate with Washington Ceasefire, the state's leading advocate for gun control, over a proposal to require buyer background checks at gun shows. The groups still face thorny disputes over record-keeping, fees and how quickly the checks must be performed. But some participants are feeling optimistic, particularly in light of voter-approved initiatives in other states and a shared goal of public safety. "The NRA doesn't want guns in the hands of criminals any more than Ceasefire does," Hurst said Thursday. "What's holding this together is a recognition that the issue must be dealt with and that if the Legislature does not deal with it, there will be an initiative. "And I don't think that benefits anyone." Hurst, a police detective, predicted a deal could be struck within a couple of weeks. Carrell was more guarded. Calling himself "cautiously optimistic," he expressed disappointment that details of the talks were leaked to media organizations this week. "I've got something going here that could disappear in the blink of an eye," said Carrell, co-chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. "All a story like this will do is force people to harden their positions." Indeed, two of the main participants took minor shots at each other in interviews Thursday. Bruce Gryniewski, executive director of Seattle-based Washington Ceasefire, said the gun lobby is "backpedaling big time" following voter-approval of initiatives in Oregon and Colorado requiring background checks before sales at gun shows. Alan Gottlieb, executive director of the Bellevue-based Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, said Gryniewski walked away from the table last year just as the two sides were reaching agreement on another raging battle -- whether to hold adults liable for failing to safely store guns out of reach of children. "If we end up agreeing on a bill, I'll be shocked if Ceasefire goes along with it," Gottlieb said, adding "I hope they prove me wrong." Still, all of the parties agreed that negotiations have been conducted in good faith. Carrell noted that all of the participating groups have to walk a fine line with their respective memberships, which may explain the tough talk in public. According to various participants, there are four main issues to resolve: the time limit for performing a background check, whether the state or federal government conducts the check, whether the government keeps any record of gun sales and who pays for the checks. Record-keeping could be the biggest problem. Ceasefire wants local law enforcers to keep records of background checks, and the state to keep some kind of "tracking number" that would allow authorities to identify the history of guns found at crime scenes. Gottlieb said the gun lobby will insist that all records be destroyed. "We want to do everything we can to keep criminals from buying guns at gun shows, while at the same time not putting gun shows out of business and respecting people's rights and privacy," Gottlieb said. Other participants include the Gun Owners Action League, Washington Arms Collectors, the Washington State Patrol and organizations representing rank-and-file police officers and state troopers. - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@mainstream.net, and as the body of the message (plain text, no HTML), send the following: unsubscribe noban email-address where email-address is the address under which you are subscribed. Report problems to owner-noban@mainstream.net --------------02E14510C0F869B1F3B2771C-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd Subject: Re: [Fwd: Gun Show Loophole] Date: 10 Feb 2001 22:43:10 -0800 This was previously covered in the Seattle Post Intelligencer, and the negotiations have been at public hearings. So, what part of it is "secret" "plotting" again? Boyd Kneeland larry ball wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Gun Show Loophole > Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:56:14 -0800 (PST) > From: Donald Blackburn > Reply-To: noban@mainstream.net > To: Multiple-Recipients-noban@mainstream.net > > Ceasfire, NRA, CCRK&B, and WAC have been secretly > plotting a compromise gunshow background check. They > planned to have a "done deal" to spring on gun owners. > We would, and will be told that we can't win and if > we don't cave Ceasefire will start an Initiative and > they have $2,000,000 to spend on it. Well, let them > spend it. If we cave on this they will just save the > money and hit us with background checks for all > private gun sales and worse. In a few days I will try > to put together an e-mail list of the House Judiciary > Committee members, our two Washington NRA Directors > and a few others. Don't show them any mercy. > > Attached is a copy of the news release. > > Don Blackburn > > "LIVE FREE OR DIE, DEATH IS NOT THE WORST OF EVILS" > > Delicate talks progressing on gun show loophole bill > By HUNTER T. GEORGE > The Associated Press > 2/8/01 10:10 PM > OLYMPIA (AP) -- After weeks of delicate negotiations, > key lawmakers say the gun lobby and advocates for gun > control may be on the verge of an agreement to close > the so-called gun-show loophole. > Reps. Chris Hurst, D-Enumclaw, and Mike Carrell, > R-Lakewood, have been serving as mediators as > representatives of the National Rifle Association and > other gun-rights organizations negotiate with > Washington Ceasefire, the state's leading advocate for > gun control, over a proposal to require buyer > background checks at gun shows. > The groups still face thorny disputes over > record-keeping, fees and how quickly the checks must > be performed. But some participants are feeling > optimistic, particularly in light of voter-approved > initiatives in other states and a shared goal of > public safety. > "The NRA doesn't want guns in the hands of criminals > any more than Ceasefire does," Hurst said Thursday. > "What's holding this together is a recognition that > the issue must be dealt with and that if the > Legislature does not deal with it, there will be an > initiative. > "And I don't think that benefits anyone." > Hurst, a police detective, predicted a deal could be > struck within a couple of weeks. > Carrell was more guarded. Calling himself "cautiously > optimistic," he expressed disappointment that details > of the talks were leaked to media organizations this > week. > "I've got something going here that could disappear in > the blink of an eye," said Carrell, co-chairman of the > House Judiciary Committee. "All a story like this will > do is force people to harden their positions." > Indeed, two of the main participants took minor shots > at each other in interviews Thursday. > Bruce Gryniewski, executive director of Seattle-based > Washington Ceasefire, said the gun lobby is > "backpedaling big time" following voter-approval of > initiatives in Oregon and Colorado requiring > background checks before sales at gun shows. > Alan Gottlieb, executive director of the > Bellevue-based Citizens Committee for the Right to > Keep and Bear Arms, said Gryniewski walked away from > the table last year just as the two sides were > reaching agreement on another raging battle -- whether > to hold adults liable for failing to safely store guns > out of reach of children. > "If we end up agreeing on a bill, I'll be shocked if > Ceasefire goes along with it," Gottlieb said, adding > "I hope they prove me wrong." > Still, all of the parties agreed that negotiations > have been conducted in good faith. Carrell noted that > all of the participating groups have to walk a fine > line with their respective memberships, which may > explain the tough talk in public. > According to various participants, there are four main > issues to resolve: the time limit for performing a > background check, whether the state or federal > government conducts the check, whether the government > keeps any record of gun sales and who pays for the > checks. > Record-keeping could be the biggest problem. > Ceasefire wants local law enforcers to keep records of > background checks, and the state to keep some kind of > "tracking number" that would allow authorities to > identify the history of guns found at crime scenes. > Gottlieb said the gun lobby will insist that all > records be destroyed. > "We want to do everything we can to keep criminals > from buying guns at gun shows, while at the same time > not putting gun shows out of business and respecting > people's rights and privacy," Gottlieb said. > Other participants include the Gun Owners Action > League, Washington Arms Collectors, the Washington > State Patrol and organizations representing > rank-and-file police officers and state troopers. > - > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > - > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@mainstream.net, and as the > body of the message (plain text, no HTML), send the following: > unsubscribe noban email-address > where email-address is the address under which you are subscribed. > Report problems to owner-noban@mainstream.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Freedom (fwd) Date: 11 Feb 2001 11:33:57 PST On Feb 10, Dennis Justice wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Friends, Pass this on to those you know who just-don't-get-it. Um, if you are one of the ones who doesn't get it.......read it again...... =================== Jon Galt wrote: LAND OF THE FREE? BY Winston Smith None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe that they are free . Free people do not fear their servants, they FIRE them! Free people are not punished for praying. Free people are not forced to ride busses. Free people do not have compulsory education. ----Johann W. von Gothe Free people do not have dictionaries revised to fool them. Free people do not have minimum wage laws. Freedom is the absence of legislation Free people do not have maximum price laws. ----Merrill Jenkins, Monetary Realist Free people do not have legal tender laws. Freedom and legal tender are incompatible. Free people do not have compulsory unemployment compensation. Free people are not compelled to pay overtime premiums. Free people are not compelled to join labor unions. Free people are not forced to give union benefits to non union workers. Free people are not forced to fight phony wars that they are forbidden to win. Free people are not controlled with medicated drinking water. Free people are not compelled to take lethal vaccinations. Free people are not punished for discriminating. Free people are not incited to discriminate. Free people do not have to feed and finance their enemies. Free people do not have enemies created to justify taxation. Free people are not forced to surrender their gold to government. Free people do not have an FDIC (Fraudulent Deceptive Instillers of Confidence) Free people do not have their uninflatable silver confiscated under any pretext.. Free people do not have economists confusing them about inflation Free people do not have inflation! (bank credit). Free people do not labor for strips of paper that the first users get for nothing. Free people do not fear ANY of their servants including the IRS or others. Will YOU dare ask the IRS to define dollar or income ? Free people are not intimidated to waive their God-given rights on 1040 forms. Free people are not tried by intimidated judges. Free people do not fear jail more than they fear death on the highways. Free people are not jailed for upholding and defending their Constitution. Free people are not jailed for obeying Exodus 23:1 or God s other laws. Free people do not have propaganda machines that would have make Hitler blush. Free people do not have state controlled press, schools or churches. Free people are not punished for owning guns. Free people are not conditioned by the press, and schools to oppose freedom. If you controlled 250 million heavily armed slaves with legal tender, credit, fear, lies, illusions, disease and amusements that inhibit serious thinking, would you stand on a platform and snap a whip at them or would you remain anonymous and hidden as you seek disarming them while highly rewarded slaves on radio and on TV entertained them with laaaand of the freeee and hooome of the braaave? [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: GUN SHOW STINGS (fwd) Date: 11 Feb 2001 11:33:08 PST On Feb 11, Joe Waldron wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Given the current interest in gun shows and gun show legislation, I would suggest you visit the below sites for information about what is occurring in Arizona. Do you think that Washington is any different? Or that we don't have any BATF agents with time on their hands up here? Just to sorta put things into context. JW http://www.azcentral.com/news/0211guncover11.html http://www.azcentral.com/gunmain11.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: THE WAY WE SEE IT - NATIONAL SECTION (fwd) Date: 11 Feb 2001 14:13:41 PST On Feb 11, APLsauce@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] GRASSROOTS ALLIANCE presents THE WAY WE SEE IT NATIONAL SECTION shep shepardson, editor email address aplsauce@AOL.com, 2/12/01 Tel. 727 943 2438 ================================= Political Activists aren t fighting the system, they are fighting those in office who are corrupting an important inherited system.... --Shep Shepardson ==================================== "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds...." --Samuel Adams ================================== "It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error." ~American Communications Association v. Douds, 339 U.S. 382, 442 ==================================== "The accumulation of all powers legislative, executive and judiciary in the same hands . . . may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny." - James Madison, Federalist 47 ==================================== "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." --Thomas Paine ==================================== Do You Have Too Much Freedom? by Harry Browne Many people are trying to figure out where George Bush is coming from. On the one hand, he seems to stand up for conservatives by backing John Ashcroft and trying to subsidize religious charities -- but on the other hand, he's proposing to expand federal control over local schools, push the government further into health care, and even expand Bill Clinton's AmeriCorps program. Dana Milbank of _The Washington Post_ says that these seemingly contradictory policies are actually consistent. According to Milbank, Bush is ignoring the old labels of "left and right" and embracing "the movement known as 'communitarianism,' which places the importance of society ahead of the unfettered rights of the individual." (I'll bet you didn't realize how "unfettered" your rights have been lately.) On January 31, Milbank wrote: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10634-2001Jan31.html) on WorldNetDaily.com at "Communitarian-ism," or "civil society" thinking (the two have similar meanings) has many interpretations, but at its center is a notion that years of celebrating individual freedom have weakened the bonds of community and that the rights of the individual must be balanced against the interests of society as a whole. Inherent in the philosophy is a return to values and morality, which, the school of thought believes, can best be fostered by community organizations. . . . Bush's inaugural address, said George Washington University professor Amitai Etzioni, a communitarian thinker, "was a communitarian text," full of words like "civility," "responsibility" and "community." . . . Bush has recruited some of the leading thinkers of the "civil society," or "communitarian," movements to his White House . . . " Communitarianism seems to look good on the surface: decisions will be made for the good of the community. But, in fact, like any government-based philosophy it is a sham. Communities Don't Make Decisions Communities don't think, don't believe, don't want, don't have needs, don't have interests, and don't make decisions. Only individuals have minds that generate desires and needs -- and only individuals can make choices and decisions. Because "society" doesn't make decisions, the issue isn't a case of balancing individual rights against the interests of society. The question is: will you make the decisions that control your life or will someone else impose his way upon you? That someone else won't be the community or society, it will be whoever seizes the power to run the community. By subsidizing "faith-based" charities, for example, George Bush isn't acting on behalf of the community. He's confiscating your earnings and giving it to the charities that please him and his political associates. He may do it in the name of society, compassion, community, or Snickers bars. But it is simply raw political power -- the same kind exercised by Bill Clinton and all his predecessors, preempting your right to use the money you earn in the way _you_ think best. The communitarians may say you've been enjoying too much individual freedom, and that you must give up some of that for the benefit of the community. But they really mean that they want more power over your life -- to force you to subsidize, obey, and conform to _their_ choices. Let's Look at True Freedom And the idea that you have too much freedom is really laughable. Are you enjoying unfettered individualism when, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, 47% of the national income is diverted to federal, state, and local taxes? How free are you when the politicians impose their choices on your life in whatever way they want -- unrestrained by the limits written in the Constitution? What would a society that truly honors individual freedom be like -- a society in which the government is chained down by the Constitution? Let me paint a picture for you. In a Libertarian America . . . * You will pay no income tax -- because a government limited by the Constitution would be small enough to get by on today's tariffs and excise taxes. Your annual take-home pay should be thousands of dollars larger than it is now. * You no longer will be forced to pay 15% of your income to a fraudulent retirement scheme like Social Security. Every dollar you earn will be yours -- to spend, to save, or to give away as you see fit. You might arrange to have your employer automatically deposit 5% or some other nominal amount of your paycheck into a bank savings account or other retirement plan -- and come out many times better off than with Social Security. * In the absence of drug laws, drug users will buy their drugs inexpensively and safely from pharmaceutical companies, putting the criminal drug gangs out of business. The nightmare of Prohibition will finally be over. * No one will interfere in any way with your right to defend yourself. Whether or not you choose to own a gun, your neighborhood will be much safer because criminals will have no way to know which residents are armed. * Health care will be much more accessible and much less expensive. Insurance will be available to virtually everyone, at much lower cost than is the case today. Charity hospitals and free clinics will proliferate. Hospital stays will be far less expensive, and most doctors will make house calls. (How do I know this would be the case? Because that's the way it was in America before the federal government took over health care in the 1960s.) * Your person and property will be safe from intrusive searches and seizures. No longer will government agents paw through your bank records or monitor your email, looking for suspicious activities. Your personal life will belong to you and no one else. * There will be those who will use their freedom to act irresponsibly. But you will be free to protect yourself from their actions -- far more easily than you can today. And companies will be free to offer all sorts of ways by which you can insulate yourself from the irresponsibility of others. You can choose for yourself who's best qualified to help you, and you can choose to dismiss anyone who doesn't live up to his promises. A Libertarian society of unfettered individualism spreads its benefits to virtually everyone -- not just those who have the resources to seize political power. Time to Bring Back "Unfettered Rights" :Government control -- whether it's called "communitarianism," "compassionate conservatism," "liberalism," or anything else -- means someone else has the power to run your life. Since no one but you can know what's best for you, government control can't make your life better. It confiscates what you've earned, reduces your welfare, subjects you to regulations designed for the worst-case person, and gives power and wealth to whoever has the most political influence. No, we aren't living in an age of "unfettered individualism." We're living in an era of big government.That's too bad, because freedom benefits everyone -- except for the few people who are hell-bent on running your life for you. Harry Browne was the 2000 Libertarian presidential candidate. More of his articles can be read at http://www.HarryBrowne.org, and his books are available at http://www.HBBooks.com CauseNET The Common Cause Email Alert Network http://www.commoncause.org Friday, Feb. 9, 2001 In this email alert: - New Soft Money Numbers - Live Webcast of Chicago Town Hall - Archived Webcast of Little Rock Town Hall NEW SOFT MONEY NUMBERS The Democratic and Republican national party committees raised a record $463,123,755 in soft money from January 1, 1999 through December 31, 2000, according to a Common Cause analysis released today. Democrats raised $219.3 million in soft money, while Republicans raised $243.8 million. The $463.1 million raised during the 1999-2000 election cycle was nearly double the $235.9 million raised during the 1995-1996 election cycle, the last comparable presidential election period, according to the study. The complete study is online at: http://commoncause.org/publications/feb01/020701st.htm LIVE WEBCAST OF CHICAGO TOWN HALL MEETING This Monday, Americans For Reform is holding the second in a series of town hall meetings nationwide to discuss landmark campaign finance reform legislation with hundreds of Chicago area residents. A live webcast of the event will be available. For more information, see: http://www.americans4reform.com/townhallil.htm Participants include: * U.S. Senators John McCain and Russell Feingold * Common Cause President Scott Harshbarger * Committee for Economic Development President Charlie Kolb * Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) * Representative Mark Kirk (R-IL) ARCHIVED WEBCAST OF LITTLE ROCK TOWN HALL An archived webcast of last week's Town Hall meeting in Little Rock, AR, is now available. Senators John McCain & Russ Feingold led a discussion with Little Rock residents on campaign finance reform: http://www.americans4reform.com/townhallar.htm [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heinz cans lined with female 'sex chemical' (fwd) Date: 12 Feb 2001 09:57:23 PST On Feb 12, dkuehne@erols.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Source: The Sunday Times-UK http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/ Heinz cans lined with 'sex chemical' http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/02/11/stinwenws01009.html HEINZ has been criticised by environmentalists after admitting lining its food cans with a chemical thought to mimic female hormones, writes Jonathan Leake. In animal experiments researchers have found that the chemical, bisphenol A, can cause early puberty in females and may reduce the growth of reproductive tissues in young males. "This chemical is a known endocrine disruptor and is found in a range of other common domestic products besides Heinz's tins," said Dr Michael Warhurst who is leading a Friends of the Earth campaign to highlight the issue. "It is one of many chemicals to which we are constantly exposed and which are increasingly linked with various illnesses." Heinz confirmed that it uses very small amounts of bisphenol A to line the lids of cans fitted with ring-pull openers, including baked bean cans. The chemical helps to prevent such tins from corroding or releasing tin into the food. Bisphenol A and most other endocrine disrupting chemicals are known toxins at high levels. The argument is about whether or not they are dangerous in very low levels, when they are known as micropollutants. Heinz says it accepts that tiny amounts of bisphenol A may leach into its foods, but says levels are far below what is needed to cause any biological effect. "The levels are in parts per million or parts per billion, so small as to be almost undetectable," said a spokesman. Tin cans are just one of many potential sources of bisphenol A. The metal is also used in soft plastics, pesticides, dental products and some baby bottles. A 1999 study by American researchers found that bisphenol A could mimic the sex hormone estradiol. Mice exposed before birth to the chemical, in amounts correlating with typical human exposures, suffered changes in postnatal growth and early puberty in females. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Micro Radio operator jailed on false charges (fwd) Date: 12 Feb 2001 09:58:24 PST On Feb 12, dkuehne@erols.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] --- forwarded message --- From: "Larry Lawson" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:23:03 -0800 {WA} Radio operator jailed Mark Alan, Rabenold jailed on false 2nd degree vehicular assault charges I just spoke with Mark Alan at 7:30 pm. Here is what he related: About noon today, a bearded man, dressed like a hunter, approached Mark's car while he was buckling his seat belt in preparation to leave Oroville, Washington. The man banged forcefully on the window of the car and demanded that Mark stop. A few words were exchanged, but lacking any attempt on the part of the man to identify himself, and because of the threatening manner in which he was pounding on the car, Mark indicated that he intended to leave. As he pulled away, another man of similar appearance ran across the street directly in front of Mark's car and proceeded to pound forcefully on the hood and yell at him. Mark was concerned for his safety, and determined that the best thing he could do was to get away from these unidentified men. This he did without striking either man. Mark proceeded directly to the police station to report the incident, but found no one there. He attempted to flag down an officer in a patrol car, but with no success (the officer was apparently answering a call from the two men, who turned out to be federal marshalls). As Mark travelled toward his home, he was stopped at a road block and taken into custody on a charge of 2nd degree vehicular assault. At the jail, Mark overheard the feds saying that they couldn't charge him with assaulting a federal officer because they had not identified themselves. A little background on Mark for those that don't know him. He is a devoted Christian family man that is dedicated to preserving our heritage of freedom. He has not had as much as a traffic ticket for many years. Mark operates a small unlicensed radio station that covers about a 15 mile area around Oroville, Washington, just a few miles from the Canadian border. His format is re- transmitted talk shows carried by satellite, most of which are concerned with our eroding freedoms in America. Mark had one visit from federal marshals about two years ago, but he was not home and his wife asked them to leave. Mark indicated that all has been quiet until today. Mark is currently being held in Okanogan county jail, and expects that an attempt will be made to arraign him in the morning. He is asking for help with procedural techniques to stop the arraignment process. If anyone would like to offer suggestions directly to Mark, he can be reached by leaving a message at the jail for him to call collect. The number at the jail is 509-422-7230. I will be in contact with Mark if anyone wants to pass information to him through me. Mark feels that it might be helpful if phone calls are made to the county officers: Okanogan county clerk: 509-422-7245 Okanogan county sheriff: 509-422-7200 If anyone would like to speak with Mark's wife, the home phone is 509-485-2206. Mark intends to assert his sovereignty, and deny U.S. citizenship or other nexus with the state that would diminish his rights. He also intends to demand verification of an oath pursuant to the 1878 Washington constitution from anyone who asserts authority over him. He does not want to be represented by a bar attorney. All efforts to assist will be greatly appreciated. This is clearly a setup by unethical tyrants. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: A_FRONT_ROW_SEAT_TO_THE_END_OF_THE_WORLD..._MTV's_SHAMELESS_DESTRUCTION_OF_YOUTH (fwd) Date: 12 Feb 2001 10:00:28 PST On Feb 11, Steve Moser wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://etherzone.com/long020901.shtml A FRONT ROW SEAT TO THE END OF THE WORLD MTV's SHAMELESS DESTRUCTION OF YOUTH By: Paul Daniel Long "The average of the world's great civilizations before they decline has bee= n 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage." ........... Alexander Tytler, (in his 1770 book, Cycle of Democracy) "They're already dead.they just don't know it yet." ........... Brandon Lee (from his final motion picture "The Crow") In the wake of their unconscionable molestation of "freedom of expression," MTV ("Manipulation" Television) turned over their soft-core shock therapy machine to subcultures whose intent is to "cut and paste" the Constitution into nothingness. A seventeen-hour hate crime lovefest with elements of society so misguided in their vitriol and reasoning has only served as more fodder in this ideological blood sport. As if a seventeen-hour infomercial for legislative "thought police" can make up for the disease that this medi= a miscreant has generated. Let's focus first on the track record of this cable cancer, before my opinion becomes a message board flame. In the scant two decades since video first "killed the radio star," this radiantly simple concept has mutated into a philosophical meat grinder, perverting youths' perceptions of sexual responsibility, social deference, personal beliefs and political prioritization. For all the liberal clamoring about walking the "slippery slope" of free speech issues I ask simply "what are you afraid of.that we'l= l careen into a pit of morality?" The answer is a resounding YES. If our nation was ever shaken loose from the trance of television, repudiation of media moguls may resemble one of those hate crimes they seem so eager to prosecute. MTV has derived the most public of pleasure from their tap dance on the Bil= l of Rights. From Madonna's veiled threats against Catholicism to the glossy and tacit embrace of pedophilia through coquettish spokesvictims Brittney and Christina, licentious executives and producers give credence to the disease of sexual addiction. To bolster their untenable position on physica= l impropriety, these same amoral "suits" shroud this counter-culture in the guise of "MTV News" with vacuous rip-and-readers like Tabitha Soren and Kur= t Loder. Soulless pawns whose opinions are formed from corporate play books, these dutiful minions subvert decency with ham-fisted reports telling how the founding fathers' lack of foresight should be challenged at every turn. The shimmering reality is that the geniuses whose gray matter provided this country's genesis had MTV in mind when they penned the law of the land. The= y knew man's penchant for evil, and safeguarded against its taking root with each carefully crafted section of this nation's play book. Ever the groundbreaker, MTV execs first plumbed new depths of programming excreta with Beavis and Butthead. The connotation of innocence that animation implies was this spewdum's built-in defense. Show after show subtly extolled the virtues of being dangerously ignorant. It was and is advocacy of aberrant behavior. As if inane laughter at any words resembling sexual slang should be considered redeeming. Redeeming content at Music Television is in direct proportion to tee shirt sales, and Mike Judge's behavioral buzzsaw thrived. It was Beavis and Butthead who in 1993 offered the first sacrifice to the corporate gods, as a young boy burned his sister to death while acting on the cartoon punks' pyromaniacal predilections. The hierarchy must have tasted young blood in the water, because the Free Pass that is the Clinton administration has only heightened their lust for deviancy. With the advent of "The Real World," the "M" in MTV was redefined as "Most anything other than music." Glorifying those painful (and thanks to ominously-intrusive cameras, very public) life experiences as what happens "when people stop being polite, and start getting 'real'," this disingenuou= s premise scoffed at the notion that being polite was anything more than a sign of social weakness. Conflicts were encouraged, stereotypes were assembled, and those with substantial upbringing were made to feel as thoug= h their value systems were atrophied. Can anyone explain away the glaring fla= w with abandoning politeness and "getting real" and then wonder why nightclub= s and school hallways have become today's killing grounds? In a most diabolically inauspicious way, the musical powers-that-be fanned the flames of entitlement, race-bating, and functional illiteracy to secure their plac= e at the corporate trough. The next time you are subjected to Paul Begala or some Democrat revisionist who insists that the Clinton years brought "unprecedented growth," consider the escalation of MTV's guerilla warfare on our collective psyche. During this moral Ice Age, the acknowledged powerbroker of youth sensibilities has packaged and promoted gangsta' rap, which has led to the creation of Black Entertainment Television. Dressed in the finest fabric to disguise the stench of hypocrisy, Robert Johnson has become the 21st century poverty pimp, subliminally urging the blissfully uneducated and apathetic black culture to cast aside any leanings toward longevity and kill their own in order to garner the perfect car stereo. Add to this volatile mix the barbarity of professional wrestling, the spiritual desecration of pornography, the diminution of elected office with questions like "boxers o= r briefs?" and the unspoken endorsement of plastic surgery with recent specials showing vulnerable (and naked) teenagers enduring elective mutilation to quell their peers' derision. This is not a liberal or conservative issue. This is a good versus evil issue. And still the parents of America allow Vince MacMahon and Li'l Kim to rear our children. Which brings us to "Jackass." By giving a forum to Johnny Knoxville, MTV ha= s shone the spotlight on the fruits of twenty years' labor. Knoxville is the perfect prototype of Generation X. He has none of the pesky trappings that engineered this country's foundation; conscience, intelligence, focus, or discipline. His life is completely expendable, and MTV will be right there for every thoughtless chapter of this low-speed suicide. The channel that brought us "Spring Break" and "Celebrity Death Match" has now crossed the threshold into evaluating human worth. Johnny Knoxville will not stop until the execs upstairs are satisfied. What his addle mind has yet to grasp is that they'll never be satiated. They want it all, including his tortured little life. The voyeuristic appetite that MTV has cultivated will culminat= e with this ominous dialogue in the hushed corridors of media power. It's been a long haul, Johnny.and it ends with you. If you don't die on the air, it will all be for naught. If you live, we can't make a special about your tragic demise. We won't be able to encourage the next disillusioned child to step from a ledge with the camcorder rolling. If you don't perish loudly, Master Knoxville.we'll have no lead-in to our next Hate Crimes special. We won't be able to rally our automatons to singe the country's conscience once again. You must die, Johnny, so that our empire will live t= o corrupt another day. If you are not martyred in the name of impetuous youth= , someone with power and virtue may start asking questions. They may question our compliance with "GenX"-ocide, or unearth our elation when a twelve year old boy used a WWF-approved move to crush the skull of a six year old girl. They may become incensed when discovering that a Connecticut boy's burning nearly to death while using "Jackass" as a blueprint may actually add valuable rating points to your revolting broadcast. We don't have much time, Johnny. Don't worry about getting heat from Connecticut's senator, or that carpetbagger mouthpiece from New York. Our bean counters have uncanny foresight, and those two have been bought and paid for. Sure they'll rail at us in front of the cameras, but behind close= d doors they'll sheepishly acknowledge who is buttering their bread. No, Johnny.it's the new rogues in the Oral Office that concern us. They don't understand your generation, Johnny. It's up to you to send a message to the= m for all of those kids out there whose parents have to work two jobs because the government is bleeding them dry. We are the nation's babysitter now, Johnny. Distracted and selfish parents have entrusted us with the corruptio= n of America's youth. We are not going to let them down, Johnny. By tearing yourself limb from limb for our amusement, we will show those in Washington that we've fostered millions of children just like you, and we'll kill them all to protect the right to Viacom/AOL/TimeWarner-approved free speech. Do it for your country, Johnny. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ Paul Daniel Long writes from Baltimore, MD. Paul has been in talk radio for the last three years and is presently organizing a conservative talk show package for cyberspace. He is a new columnist for Ether Zone. Paul Daniel Long can be reached at longnwrong@home.com Published in the February 9, 2001 issue of Ether Zone. Copyright =A9 2001 Ether Zone. (http://etherzone.com) Reposting permitted with this message intact. We invite your comments on this article in our forum! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Breaking News - Indianapolis Baptist Temple Raided (fwd) Date: 13 Feb 2001 11:13:00 PST On Feb 13, Clayton R. Douglas wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FREE AMERICAN NEWS FLASH! At approximately 7:30 AM Central time today, February 13, 2001, Federal Marshalls, BATF, FBI and local police raided and cleared the Indianapolis Baptist Temple. Television cameras from WTHR caught Pastor Greg Dixon being carried from the church strapped to a stretcher. Once outside the church, Pastor Dixon was released. There are no reports of injuries. More details on our show tomorrow. Upcoming Guests Wednesday - Bob Stewart of Maadi Griffen Thursday - Robert Sawyer - Science reveals how God created the Universe Friday - Rodney Stich - The Drugging of America Monday - Vladimir Shvartsman - The Colors of Truth - Life in Russia Tuesday - Currently Open Wednesday - Steve Alten - Why the Human Race is Doomed Thursday - Donald R. German - Retirement is Overrated Friday - Melisa Applegate - Egyptian Book of Life -- The FREE AMERICAN Newsmagazine 2943 US Highway 380 Bingham, NM 87832 505-423-3250 Fax 505-423-3258 E-mail: freeamerican@plateautel.net Website - www.freeamerican.com Sample Issue - $5.00 1 Year Subscription - $40.00 2 year or 2 subs - $70.00 LISTEN TO THE FREE AMERICAN DAILY 8:00AM TO 9:00AM EASTERN TIME http://freeamerican.com On Satellite: Truth Radio Satellite C Band Galaxy 9, Channel 2, Audio 5.4 On Short-wave: WWCR 5.070 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Police Seal Off Indiana Church (fwd) Date: 13 Feb 2001 11:14:38 PST On Feb 13, Steve Moser wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Police Seal Off Indiana Church By REX W. HUPPKE .c The Associated Press INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Federal marshals seized the Indianapolis Baptist Temple on Tuesday to satisfy a $6 million tax debt, and wheeled its former pastor out on a gurney as he protested the move. The U.S. Supreme Court had cleared the way for the seizure last month. The Baptist Temple stopped withholding federal income and Social Security taxes from its employees' paychecks in 1984, saying the church's duty to obey God allowed no room for manmade laws and that withholding taxes would make it an agent of the government. U.S. marshals rushed through a side door into the church, where six or seven people - some who had been holding a vigil there for nearly three months - were gathered in prayer. ``The purge has started,'' said the Rev. Greg J. Dixon, the church's pastor emeritus, as the marshals wheeled him out. ``We had a promise from the Bush administration. We had every reason to believe there was a moratorium. ... They were going to dismiss the case. We had a deal, and they welshed on the deal,'' Dixon said. No one was arrested and there were no injuries, authorities said. The current pastor, Dixon's son, the Rev. Greg A. Dixon, was not at the church when officers arrived but rushed to the scene and sat down in front of the building. ``The fight is still not over,'' the younger Dixon said. ``We are going to continue this fight for religious liberty. ``They have trampled the First Amendment; they have desecrated a house of God,'' he said. ``They have brought God's judgment down upon them, their souls, their wives, their children, their political careers. I feel sorry for them.'' Federal marshals seized a parsonage a few miles from the church on Nov. 14. The judge's order had authorized marshals to seize the property by force if necessary. The federal government until now had never seized a church for failing to pay taxes, said Richard Hammar, an attorney for the Springfield, Mo.-based Assemblies of God church and an expert on churches and tax law. ``To have the IRS come in and seize the church's property, that is an extraordinary event unparalleled in American history,'' Hammar has said. On the Net: Indianapolis Baptist Temple: http://www.indianapolisbaptisttemple.com AP-NY-02-13-01 0954EST Copyright 2001 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Phony Energy Crisis in Calif. exposed (fwd) Date: 14 Feb 2001 14:12:38 PST On Feb 14, Rich Martin wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Interesting how the people of Calif find so many other people to blame without accepting any responsibiility for their predicament, which they expect US to save them from. This aside, I don't think there is any doubt this writer is on track when he identifies part of the problem in the concentration of power in too few people. That same senario is being played out in the Airline, media, telephony industries, among others. These monopolies must be broken up before they go the way of all monopolies, down the drain like the auto industry. Rich Martin Editor of Slick ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This was an off topic post to the Silicon Valley Linux Users Group list: Bill ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I saw this on the "Billionaires for Bush or Gore" list. Yes, I am one of those political people. Being from SoCal and having a sense of history, I remember a little thing called the "Owens Valley Water Scandal". One of the critical point in the formation of LA, it involved the creation of a false scarcity of water in order to empower a very small group of people. While I know we've gone round and round about future engery sources, I note that no one has been discussing whether or not this power shortage is due to actual consumption or supply-side manipulation in the post regulation era. The following email raises some of those points and refers to an LA Times article on the subject. I thought it would be useful to put it on your collective radar. Apologies in advance for those offended by the lack of penguin like material in this message. I'd rather plead for forgiveness than beg for permission. -Charles ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Phony "energy crisis" exposed The bad effects of the AES power plant, and the upcoming push to eliminate environmental controls on power plants, cars and refineries are only part of the bad effects of the so-called "energy crisis". http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20010211/t000012614.html LA Times story on the connections of Bush and the head of Enron. We already know that the Oil Lobby was the biggest contributor to Bush-2k, and they contributed many of their supporters to the Bush administration -- such as Evans. ".... particular concern to some Californians, Bush repeatedly has refused to intervene more aggressively in the state's electricity crisis--even as Enron and its subsidiaries have profited handsomely from soaring energy prices..." But you look at that "crisis", and some might say it is merely an attempt to "payback" California for overwhelmingly voting for Gore. The only thing that has changed since last year is that a business block -- a sort of "Trust" -- has managed to buy up all the electric generating plant -- and not just in California. Who ever heard of Dynergy, Reliant, Calpine, Enron, Southern Co., AES, prior to their gaining control of the means of electric production? And T. Boone Pickens, who bought up all the Natural Gas leases via "Mesa Petroleum", might have some hand in this too. Over the last decade, California's energy usage has grown at 11%, roughly half the national average. That's because we've been losing factories and foundries, aerospace and other plants to other states. Those are the big, big users of electricity. So why should the "crisis" strike just as the election is giving control of the Government to Bush and the Oilies? Logically, any "crisis" should hit in the Summer, when demand exceeds 40,000 megawatts, a quarter more than now. The bogus excuse is "all those computers...". Well, look at them. The highest rating is 500 watts, and they draw about 150. If every person in California had a computer, and left it on ALL the time, that would be only 375 watts for each of the 12m households-- less than 4 light bulbs, less than refrigerators by far, less probably than we use on hair dryers. Each traffic intersection has, on average, 17 signals -- one of those lights is on at all times. Not to mention street lighting. So really, computers are small, non-critical users of electricity. Think Air Conditioners, those are the heavy users, and that does not happen until summer. But why should everyone suddenly parrot this ridiculous notion, that "computers" or "silicon valley" are suddenly maxing us out? The answer, of course, is that the newspapers print it, and no one examines it. Somewhere, some high-tone PR firm belted out a press release, and all the media bought it. No, the "crisis" seems engineered in Houston, TX, where most of these weird-named companies are headquartered. Think about how the Republicans hounded Clinton for 8 years on the amorphous "whitewater" investigation, which wound up looking at Bill's dirty underwear. No criminal charges or activity were ever proved, yet the persecution, including jailing the unfortunate Susan McDougal for 18 months in LEG IRONS, with no reading material, on Taxpayer money. Where is the Special Prosecutor who will investigate Bush's ties to the Oilies, and the multi-billion dollar rip-off of California's surplus? That is a real, substantial issue, not the bogus bushit they tried to get on Clinton. Who will investigate this bombshell story? Cut out the middlemen. Send donations to: Boys Scouts of America National HQ 1329 Walnut Hill Ln. Irving, TX 75162 http://www.SaveOurScouts.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: American Soldier (fwd) Date: 14 Feb 2001 14:13:46 PST On Feb 14, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Thought I'd send this along to all my amigos who served our country and to those whose sons are serving her now. "Here's to us and those like us, damned few left!" Ken Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 7:50 AM > THE SPIRIT OF THE AMERICAN SOLDIER > Dedicated to the memory of T/Sgt. Richard M. Cole, Jr./USAF > > I am a whisper on the wind, of times past, of places long forgotton, > Valley Forge, Gettysburg, Bataan, Pearl Harbor, Normandy, Seoul, Laos, > Saigon, Cambodia, Kuwait. > I am the heart of countless numbers of scarred and maimed veterans, > and the soul of the buried unknown. > > I am an integral part of each white cross in Flanders Field, > and am sealed within each name on The Wall. > I am part of each and every headstone of every American Soldier > in every cemetary in the world. > > I am deeply emeshed in each tiny undiscovered bone fragment of American > Soldiers, > left behind on foreign soil. I am the unseen shadows, > the unheard voices of those many empty cells, > that once held my brothers in unspeakable torture. > > I am the unbearable pain in the hearts of every mother, father, wife, > sister, > brother, and child, of missing American soldiers from all wars. > I am within each and every tear shed for them. > > I am the essence of each and every drop of blood shed in the past or in > the > future, > by an american soldier in the name of freedom. > I am the lifeblood of the colors of the American flag, > the blue for my loyalty and unwavering dedication, > the white for my steadfastness, > and the red for my pride and love of my country. > > I am the spirit of those names on the Black Granite Wall, > of all of those unaccounted for in each and every war, > of those who went away to war as gallant young men and came back, > older than time...OR NOT AT ALL. > > I AM, THE SPIRIT OF THE AMERICAN SOLDIER! > Beverly Haire, 1998 > Beverly Dancing Bear Haire [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: NIH Mass Produces 'Human' Mouse (fwd) Date: 14 Feb 2001 19:22:44 PST Well, there you have it. The mixing of the blood and the seed. Expect Biblical scale epidemics of unknown diseases in your neighborhood, soon..... On Feb 14, Steve Moser wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] NIH Mass Produces 'Human' Mouse http://www.humaneventsonline.com/articles/02-05-01/jeffrey.html The National Institutes of Health has spent millions of dollars over the past decade funding the mass production of a creature that is part mouse and part human. Every one of these most peculiar rodents requires live tissue extracted from the liver and thymus of a human child-and every child who donates tissue to create such mice is first killed by a medical doctor. They are victims of abortions that cannot take place until at least the eighth week of pregnancy, when the fetal liver is finally formed. Although history may someday record the saga of this mouse as one of the greatest horror stories in the annals of medicine, it actually begins with what may be described as a small miracle. The miracle happened in 1980 at a cancer research center in Philadelphia, when an ordinary laboratory mouse gave birth to an extraordinary litter of pups. Mel Bosma, a researcher at the center, discovered that four of these pups carried an abnormality that would prove deadly to them but of great value to man. They suffered from a genetic disorder called Severe Combined Immunodeficiency (SCID). In essence, these mice had no natural means of fighting disease. Unlike a human being with Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS)-whose immune system has been destroyed by the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)-these first-ever SCID mice were born without a functioning immune system. Saving Chimpanzees Bosma recognized the enormous potential these mice might have for medical research and preserved them for breeding. Several years later, J. Michael McCune, an investigator at Stanford Medical School, was grappling with what was then one of the most basic obstacles confronting doctors searching for an AIDS cure. Ordinary laboratory mice could not be infected with HIV because HIV-which, after all, is a "human" virus-cannot penetrate the cells that make up the mouse immune system. That means that ordinary laboratory mice are useless for testing AIDS vaccines and therapies. The chimpanzees that were being used in some AIDS research were an expensive and politically incorrect species, a stumbling block that severely limited the scope of the preliminary research that could be done on developing an AIDS cure. As McCune later described it to a reporter for The Business Journal, he struck upon a way to solve this problem as he was driving in his car up Interstate 280 toward the city of San Francisco: Why not transplant the human immune system into a mouse? This was not a science-fiction fantasy. The discovery of the SCID mouse had made the hypothesis plausible enough to test. In a normal mammal, the immune system would reject tissue transplanted from another body-especially if that other body was of another species. But because the SCID mouse lacked a working immune system, researchers theorized it might not reject transplanted human tissue. That, however, would solve only half the problem. The other half was that human tissue-adult human tissue, anyway-would itself reject the mouse. Medical researchers call this "graft-versus-host" disease. This is where the babies came in. Up to a certain point as it develops within its mother's womb, an unborn child's immune system has not learned to recognize its own body. The blood cells that are dedicated to fighting disease, which develop initially in the child's liver, have not yet passed through the thymus where they are educated to recognize their own body so they can discriminate between their own healthy cells and the agents of a disease. If the organs and tissues that constitute the basic elements of a baby's immune system could be removed before its disease-fighting cells became educated, and if this removed immune system could be implanted in a SCID mouse, that mouse might develop into a brave new laboratory animal: part rodent, part human. Many things had to fall into place in American law and culture to make such an experiment possible. Abortions had to be legalized. Women had to be willing to have them. Doctors had to be willing to perform them. Technicians had to be willing to fish out body parts from the fresh remains of aborted babies. Researchers had to be willing to implant those body parts in mice. And, of course, somebody had to be willing to pay for it all. By 1988-only 15 years after the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision had converted abortion from a crime in most of the United States to a "constitutional right"-all of the requisite legal, cultural and scientific elements had fallen into place. The bill, as it turned out, would be sent to U.S. taxpayers. On Sept. 14, 1988, Stanford University sent out a press release announcing the success of its efforts to build a mouse with a human immune system. Later that month, McCune and his associates, including Dr. Irving Weissman, a Stanford pathologist, published their results in the journal Science. They named their creation the SCID-hu mouse, "hu" being short for "human." In Science, under the heading, "Construction of the SCID hu," McCune and his associates explained their creation in these terms: "Human fetal thymus, liver, lymph node, and spleen were obtained and prepared for introduction into SCID mice by surgical implantation or by intravenous injection. . . . With a bank of frozen tissues available, it becomes readily possible to construct SCID-hu mice with a variety of human lymphoid organs of defined (and, as desired, different) genetic origin." The scientists noted that the age of the aborted fetus was of significance. The unborn child had to be old enough to have a functioning liver that produced blood cells, but not so old that those cells had already "migrated through the human fetal thymus," become differentiated, and learned to recognize their own body and fight off disease. The prime moment was between 8 and 24 weeks, with the optimum time being before 20 weeks. Where did the "donor" babies come from? Stanford answered the question dryly in its 1988 press release: "The human immune system is seeded into the mice using small quantities of tissues from aborted fetuses obtained under strict human-use guidelines." In an interview, Janet M. Young, of the Basic Science Program of the Division of AIDS at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID)-which funds much of the nation's SCID-hu research-could not answer specific questions about the conditions under which the tissue is retrieved from aborted babies and referred the question to Dr. McCune. Dr. McCune did not return calls placed to his office in San Francisco. But C. Ward Kischer, emeritus professor of embryology at the Arizona University College of Medicine and an expert on fetal development, offered his own interpretation of what the procedure must be like. The unborn child does not begin to develop a liver until about five weeks, said Kischer. A baby aborted in the first month, in other words, would be useless for creating a SCID-hu mouse. At eight weeks, he said, the liver starts to perform its "hematopoietic" function, producing the undifferentiated blood cells that will later pass through the thymus and begin creating the baby's immune system. But at this point, he said, the baby is only about one inch long and an abortion would likely be done by the Dilation and Curettage (D&C) method. At 15 weeks, he said, the baby would be about five inches long, and still likely to be aborted by D&C. At 20 weeks it would be about 7 inches long, and still, if aborted, a likely candidate for the D&C procedure. The thymus, which is in the baby's neck, he said, begins to significantly develop only after birth. "Even at 20 weeks," he said, "it is really, really small." Kischer said he finds it hard to believe the researchers could retrieve livers and thymuses from babies aborted by D&C between the 8th and 20th week of gestation. "To find the liver in a dismembered early fetus is next to impossible," he said. "I don't see how they can do it." "If they insert a curette into the uterus and start scraping the wall," he said, "there is absolutely zero assurance that the curette will not dismember that embryo or fetus. They will start to cut it up. And if you start cutting it up, and you get the products of conception out and put them in a petri dish, how are you going to determine what is liver and what isn' t? It's impossible." Back in 1988, the Los Angeles Times reported the invention of the SCID-hu mouse on page one. A few other major papers gave it a one-day run. Some played it as a humanitarian boon to chimpanzees. "My hope is our mice can remove all the pressure on chimps," Dr. Weissman told the Chicago Tribune. "There are only a few hundred chimpanzees in the world available for medical research. . . . If our mouse model works there's no reason to use a primate model that doesn't seem to be complete, that's being done with animals that are in incredibly short supply and are in danger of extinction." He was confident, apparently, in a continuing supply of aborted babies. Once the SCID-hu mouse had been created, its inventors set about demonstrating its applicability to AIDS research. Working under a grant from the NIH, they injected the mice with HIV, to prove that the human blood cells floating through its rodent veins could indeed be infected with a human virus. The work was done in a specially secured laboratory to ensure that AIDS-carrying mice could not escape into city streets. "SCID-hu mice were infected within the confines of a specially adapted animal bio-safety level (BSL) 3 facility," the researchers wrote in Science. "A flank incision exposed the growing human thymus or lymph node implant of anesthetized SCID-hu mice. Graded doses of HIV-1 . . .were introduced by direct intrathymic or intranodal inoculation. The mice were maintained in micro-isolator cages, inside a sealed glove box, within the BSL3 facility." These facilities even have an airlock designed to prevent the movement of airborne particles from the inside to the outside. In a follow-up experiment, the researchers treated HIV-infected mice with AZT to see if the drug would inhibit the proliferation of the virus. The test could not have been more successful. The researchers again chronicled their triumph in the pages of Science: "The SCID-hu mouse will be useful for measuring the in vivo efficacy of the antiviral compounds and may provide a test system in which their administration could be experimentally altered to achieve optimal efficacy. The same techniques that are used to analyze antiviral compounds against HIV should be directly transferable to the analysis of interventions against other human pathogens." They had discovered a scientific and commercial gold mine-and Stanford moved to secure the rights to it. "Since the work may lead to new avenues of therapeutics," the school said in a press release, "Stanford University is seeking a patent on the process that leads to a mouse with human-blood-forming and immune potential." The government granted the patent. McCune and Weissman secured startup capital from venture capitalists, including Eli Jacobs, one of the owners of the Baltimore Orioles, and began a biotechnology company named Systemix. Stanford gave them a license to commercially use the mouse. On Aug. 1, 1990, Systemix issued a press release reporting that the NIH had awarded it a "multimillion dollar, five-year contract" to test anti-AIDS drugs using the mouse. "This contract represents an important step for the NIH, for us and for patients with HIV infection," McCune said in the press release. "Now, drugs that look promising in the lab can be selected on the basis of their activity in relevant animal models, prior to their use in man." This was not precisely correct, of course. Systemix would be testing the drugs in man-but only in those whose lives had been terminated and their immune systems stripped out and implanted in mice. In late 1991, the Swiss pharmaceutical firm, Sandoz, purchased 60% of Systemix. The San Francisco Chronicle reported: "The deal also is a windfall for the Stanford scientists whose discovery got Systemix started. Dr. J. Michael McCune, 37, a former Stanford postdoctoral student, and his mentor, renowned Stanford immunologist Dr. Irving L. Weissman, 51, each have options to buy stock at 28 cents per share. The stock closed yesterday at 55 in over-the-counter trading. McCune and Weissman can each acquire $24 million worth of Systemix stock by shelling out $105,000 apiece." The February 1992 issue of The Business Journal added: "For a biotech company, Systemix has progressed at light speed. Ms. [Linda] Sonntag [Systemix's CEO] attributes the company's rapid development largely to Dr. McCune's mouse. 'The premise was that the SCID-hu mouse tool would expedite R&D dramatically, and it proved to be true,' she said. 'Without the SCID-hu mouse, we would not be where we are now.'" The utility of the SCID-hu mouse spawned numerous federal grants that made use of the animal. By 1998, the NIH was handing out 43 separate grants for research that used it. Last year, 45 NIH grants specifically mentioned use of the SCID-hu. On June 18, 1993, the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) put out a request for grant proposals that appeared to ratchet up the government's involvement in manufacturing SCID-hu mice. The agencies were soliciting proposals to create what they called "core facilities" at regional government-funded Centers for AIDS Research (CFAR). The request for proposals said: "Examples of such Cores that may be supported by the NIAID include . . . SCID/hu Mice Facilities . . . Examples of such Cores that may be supported by NIMH include . . . SCID/hu Mice Facilities." In an interview, NIAID's Young said that the language about "SCID/hu mice Facilities" was only included in the solicitation for proposals as an example to the investigators of the general sort of thing the NIAID would fund. The NIH, she said, was not specifically recommending or promoting the creation of these facilities. Nonetheless, at least five universities participated in creating federally funded "core facilities" for the manufacture of SCID-hu mice under the auspices of NIH grants. These were the University of California at Los Angeles, the University of Alabama at Birmingham, the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center jointly operated by Columbia and Rockefeller universities and the Albert Einstein College of Medicine. Not all of these continue to operate under CFAR auspices. Currently, said Young, "There are three Centers for AIDS Research (CFAR) sites that support SCID/hu core facilities. These are CFARs at: University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA), University of Alabama at Birmingham (UAB), and Dana Farber Cancer Institute (DFCI). The latter has very few mice and a small number of investigators interested in this model. The CFAR at Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center has not had a SCID/hu facility for approximately 4 years now . . . Albert Einstein College of Medicine no longer has a CFAR grant." One of the grant abstracts for the SCID/hu facility at UCLA indicates that the university was looking into implanting human brain tissue in the mice. States the abstract: "The SCID-hu Mouse/Human Chimera Core Facility is designed to provide access to state-of-the-art-mouse/human chimera technology for UCLA-affiliated AIDS investigators. This facility will provide breeding of SCID mice at a reduced rate, housing for SCID mice, and a BSL3 laboratory for manipulation and housing of chimeric mice infected with human retroviruses. "Consultation on construction of mouse/human chimeras (hu- PBL-SCID and SCID-hu) is also available. In addition, there is a developmental component to this core, which has helped to established the SCID-hu mouse as an in vivo model for virus-induced pathology. This component approaches to combat AIDS, and will participate in development of a model for growth of human brain tissue in vivo. This latter system will be used to investigate mechanisms of neuropathogenesis of AIDS." The hu-PBL-SCID mouse mentioned in the text is a rival lab animal to the SCID-hu, which, unlike the SCID-hu, takes only blood from umbilical cords or adult donors, and does not require human fetal tissue. In addition to the SCID-hu mice being created at CFAR "core facilities"-and also in some instances by individual NIH-funded researchers around the country who are not associated with a CFAR-the NIAID continues to contract directly itself with an outside provider to create SCID-hu mice for testing AIDS drugs. On Aug. 19, 1999, the NIH put out a request for proposals for a new SCID-hu contract that revealed some crucial details about SCID-hu construction. The proposal informed prospective contractors that "Up to 1200 SCID-hu thy/liv mice (50 per experiment) and 125 unengrafted SCID mice will be needed for evaluations of single and combination therapies per year. The Contractor shall be capable of providing up to 100 SCID-hu thy/liv mice per month, in groups of 50 animals engrafted with tissue from a single donor." What is more, the NIAID instructed potential contractors to include a "description of the methods used . . . to quality assure/control viral stocks, tissue donors, and engrafted mice." The agency further instructed would-be contractors that they would have to "quality assure" "donor tissue" even if "any of the components of the model are provided by a Subcontractor." After an inquiry by Human Events, NIH said it would refuse to release the winning proposal for this contract even if it was requested to do so under the Freedom of Information Act. The agency cited language in the 1997 Defense Authorization bill that exempted federal agencies from releasing even successful proposals from government contractors under FOIA. So, for now, the details of just exactly how the contractor demonstrated to the government it was going to assure the quality of the human fetal livers and thymuses it intended to transplant into "up to 1200" mice remains a government secret. The contract, by the way, was awarded to the J. David Gladstone Foundation, a California organization associated with Dr. Mike McCune, the SCID-hu's inventor. Dr. McCune did not return calls. © Human Events, 2001 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Charlton Heston Speech (fwd) Date: 14 Feb 2001 19:23:56 PST On Feb 14, MomSchumm@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > Subject: Speak Out > > For 50 years, the Harvard Law School Forum has been sponsoring > speeches by luminaries ranging from Fidel Castro to Gerald Ford to > Dr. Ruth. Sometimes the speeches have generated a bit of media > coverage, sometimes not. But one given last month by Charlton Heston > has taken on a life of its own. Heston, the actor and conservative > activist, delivered a stem-winder to about 200 listeners about "a > cultural war that's about to hijack your birthright to think and say > what resides in your heart." "He knew he was coming to a liberal > environment, and clearly a group of his listeners was conservative > and another was more liberal," said David Christopherson, president > of the forum. "About half respectfully challenged him during the > questions. It generated a lot of debate around the campus. But what > happened caught us off-guard." What happened was Rush Limbaugh's > radio talk show. On March 15, Limbaugh read the entire speech on the > air, only to find himself bombarded with thousands of requests for a > copy of it. The same thing happened at Harvard Law. "We couldn't > keep up with all the requests," said Mike Chmura at Harvard. "It > really didn't have legs and might have been forgotten if Mr. > Limbaugh hadn't decided to deliver it." > > > 'Winning the Cultural War' - Charlton Heston's Speech to the Harvard > Law School Forum, Feb 16, 1999 > > I remember my son when he was five, explaining to his kindergarten > class what his father did for a living. "My Daddy," he said, > "pretends to be people." There have been quite a few of them. > Prophets from the Old and New Testaments, a couple of Christian > saints, generals of various nationalities and different centuries, > several kings, three American presidents, a French cardinal and two > geniuses, including Michelangelo. If you want the ceiling repainted > I'll do my best. There always seem to be a lot of different fellows > up here. I'm never sure which one of them gets to talk. Right now, I > guess I'm the guy. As I pondered our visit tonight it struck me: If > my Creator gave me the gift to connect you with the hearts and minds > of those great men, then I want to use that same gift now to > reconnect you with your own sense of liberty of your own freedom of > thought ... your own compass for what is right. Dedicating the > memorial at Gettysburg, Abraham Lincoln said of America, "We are now > engaged in a great Civil War, testing whether this nation or any > nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure." Those words > are true again. I believe that we are again engaged in a great civil > war, a cultural war that's about to hijack your birthright to think > and say what resides in your heart. I fear you no longer trust the > pulsing lifeblood of liberty inside you ... the stuff that made this > country rise from wilderness into the miracle that it is. Let me > back up. About a year ago I became president of the National Rifle > Association, which protects the right to keep and bear arms. I ran > for office, I was elected, and now I serve ... I serve as a moving > target for the media who've called me everything from "ridiculous" > and "duped" to a "brain-injured, senile, crazy old man." I know ... > I'm pretty old ... but I sure, Lord, ain't senile. As I have stood > in the crosshairs of those who target Second Amendment freedoms, > I've realized that firearms are not the only issue. No, it's much, > much bigger than that. I've come to understand that a cultural war > is raging across our land, in which, with Orwellian fervor, certain > acceptable thoughts and speech are mandated. For example, I marched > for civil rights with Dr. King in 1963 - long before Hollywood found > it fashionable. But when I told an audience last year that white > pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride or anyone else's > pride, they called me a racist. I've worked with brilliantly > talented homosexuals all my life. But when I told an audience that > gayrights should extend no further than your rights or my rights, I > was called a homophobe. I served in World War II against the Axis > powers. But during a speech, when I drew an analogy between singling > out innocent Jews and singling out innocent gun owners, I was called an anti-Semite. Everyone I know knows I would never raise a closed fist against my country. But when I asked an audience to oppose this cultural persecution, I was > compared to Timothy McVeigh. From Time magazine to friends and > colleagues, they're essentially saying, "Chuck, how dare you speak > your mind. You are using language not authorized for public > consumption!" But I am not afraid. If Americans believed in > political correctness, we'd still be King George's boys --subjects > bound to the British crown. In his book, "The End of Sanity," Martin > Gross writes that "blatantly irrational behavior is rapidly being > established as the norm in almost every area of human endeavor. > There seem to be new customs, new rules, new anti-intellectual > theories regularly foisted on us from every direction. Underneath, > the nation is roiling. Americans know something without a name is > undermining the nation, turning the mind mushy when it comes to > separating truth from falsehood and right from wrong. And they don't > like it." Let me read a few examples. At Antioch college in Ohio, > young men seeking intimacy with a coed must get verbal permission at > each step of the process from kissing to petting to final copulation > ... all clearly spelled out in a printed college directive. In New > Jersey, despite the death of several patients nationwide who had > been infected by dentists who had concealed their AIDs --- the state > commissioner announced that health providers who are HIV-positive > "need not ..... need not" ..... tell their patients that they are > infected. At William and Mary, students tried to change the name of > the school team "The Tribe" because it was supposedly insulting to > local Indians, only to learn that authentic Virginia chiefs truly > like the name. In San Francisco, city fathers passed an ordinance > protecting the rights of transvestites to cross-dress on the job, > and for transsexuals to have separate toilet facilities while > undergoing sex change surgery. In New York City, kids who don't > speak a word of Spanish have been placed in bilingual classes to > learn their three R's in Spanish solely because their last names > sound Hispanic. At the University of Pennsylvania, in a state where > thousands died at Gettysburg opposing slavery, the president of that > college officially set up segregated dormitory space for black > students. Yeah, I know ... that's out of bounds now. Dr. King said > "Negroes." Jimmy Baldwin and most of us on the March said "black." > But it's a no-no now. For me, hyphenated identities are awkward ... > particularly "Native-American." I'm a Native American, for God's > sake. I also happen to be a blood-initiated brother of the > Miniconjou Sioux. On my wife's side, my grandson is a thirteenth > generation native American ... with a capital letter on "American." > Finally, just last month ... David Howard, head of the Washington > D.C. Office of Public Advocate, used the word "niggardly" while > talking to colleagues about budgetary matters. Of course, > "niggardly" means stingy or scanty. But within days Howard was > forced to publicly apologize and resign. As columnist Tony Snow > wrote: "David Howard got fired because some people in public employ > were morons who (a) didn't know the meaning of niggardly, (b) didn't > know how to use a dictionary to discover the meaning, and (c) > actually demanded that he apologize for their ignorance." What does > all of this mean? It means that telling us what to think has evolved > into telling us what to say, so telling us what to do can't be far > behind. Before you claim to be a champion of free thought, tell me: > Why did political correctness originate on America's campuses? And > why do you continue to tolerate it? Why do you, who're supposed to > debate ideas, surrender to their suppression? Let's be honest. Who > here thinks your professors can say what they really believe? It > scares me to death, and should scare you too, that the superstition > of political correctness rules the halls of reason. You are the best > and the brightest. You, here in the fertile cradle of American > academia, here in the castle of learning on the Charles River, you > are the cream. But I submit that you, and your counterparts across > the land, are the most socially conformed and politically silenced > generation since Concord Bridge. And as long as you validate that > ... and abide it ... you are -- by your grandfathers' standards -- > cowards. Here's another example. Right now at more than one major > university, Second Amendment scholars and researchers are being told > to shut up about their findings or they'll lose their jobs. Why? > Because their research findings would undermine big-city mayor's > pending lawsuits that seek to extort hundreds of millions of dollars > from firearm manufacturers. I don't care what you think about guns. > But if you are not shocked at that, I am shocked at you. Who will > guard the raw material of unfettered ideas, if not you? Who will > defend the core value of academia, if you supposed soldiers of free > thought and expression lay down your arms and plead, "Don't shoot > me." If you talk about race, it does not make you a racist. If you > see distinctions between the genders, it does not make you a sexist. > If you think critically about a denomination, it does not make you > anti-religion. If you accept but don't celebrate homosexuality, it > does not make you a homophobe. Don't let America's universities > continue to serve as incubators for this rampant epidemic of new > McCarthyism. But what can you do? How can anyone prevail against > such pervasive social subjugation? The answer's been here all along. > I learned it 36 years ago, on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in > Washington, DC, standing with Dr. Martin Luther King and two hundred > thousand people. You simply ... disobey. Peaceably, yes. > Respectfully, of course. Nonviolently, absolutely. But when told how > to think or what to say or how to behave, we don't. We disobey > social protocol that stifles and stigmatizes personal freedom. I > learned the awesome power of disobedience from Dr. King ... who > learned it from Gandhi, and Thoreau, and Jesus, and every other > great man who led those in the right against those with the might. > Disobedience is in our DNA. We feel innate kinship with that > disobedient spirit that tossed tea into Boston Harbor, that sent > Thoreau to jail, that refused to sit in the back of the bus, that > protested a war in Viet Nam. In that same spirit, I am asking you to > disavow cultural correctness with massive disobedience of rogue > authority, social directives and onerous laws that weaken personal > freedom. But be careful ... it hurts. Disobedience demands that you > put yourself at risk. Dr. King stood on lots of balconies. You must > be willing to be humiliated ... to endure the modern-day equivalent > of the police dogs at Montgomery and the water cannons at Selma. You > must be willing to experience discomfort. I'm not complaining, but > my own decades of social activism have taken their toll on me. Let > me tell you a story. A few years back I heard about a rapper named > Ice-T who was selling a CD called "Cop Killer" celebrating ambushing > and murdering police officers. It was being marketed by none other > than Time/Warner, the biggest entertainment conglomerate in the > world. Police across the country were outraged. Rightfully so-at > least one had been murdered. But Time/Warner was stonewalling > because the CD was a cash cow for them, and the media were tiptoeing > around it because the rapper was black. I heard Time/Warner > had a stockholders meeting scheduled in Beverly Hills. I owned some > shares at the time, so I decided to attend. What I did there was > against the advice of my family and colleagues. I asked for the > floor. To a hushed room of a thousand average American stockholders, > I simply read the full lyrics of "Cop Killer"- every vicious, > vulgar, instructional word. "I GOT MY 12 GAUGE SAWED OFF. I GOT MY > HEADLIGHTS TURNED OFF. I'M ABOUT TO BUST SOME SHOTS OFF. I'M ABOUT > TO DUST SOME COPS OFF..." It got worse, a lot worse. I won't read > the rest of it to you. But trust me, the room was a sea of shocked, > frozen, blanched faces. The Time/Warner executives squirmed in their > chairs and stared at their shoes. They hated me for that. Then I > delivered another volley of sick lyric brimming with racist filth, where Ice-T fantasizes about sodomizing two 12-year old nieces of Al and Tipper Gore. "SHE PUSHED HER BUTT AGAINST MY ...." Well, I won't do to you here what I did to them. Let's just say I left the room in echoing silence. When I read the > lyrics to the waiting press corps, one of them said "We can't print > that." "I know," I replied, "but Time/Warner's selling it." Two > months later, Time/Warner terminated Ice-T's contract. I'll never be > offered another film by Warner's, or get a good review from Time > magazine. But disobedience means you must be willing to act, not > just talk. When a mugger sues his elderly victim for defending > herself ... jam the switchboard of the district attorney's office. > When your university is pressured to lower standards until 80% of > the students graduate with honors ... choke the halls of the board > of regents. When an 8-year-old boy pecks a girl's cheek on the > playground and gets hauled into court for sexual harassment ... > march on that school and block its doorways. When someone you > elected is seduced by political power and betrays you...petition > them, oust them, banish them. When Time magazine's cover portrays > millennium nuts as deranged, crazy Christians holding a cross as it > did last month ... boycott their magazine and the products it > advertises. So that this nation may long endure, I urge you to > follow in the hallowed footsteps of the great disobedience's of > history that freed exiles, founded religions, defeated tyrants, and > yes, in the hands of an aroused rabble in arms and a few great men, > by God's grace, built this country. If Dr. King were here, I think > he would agree. Thank you. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."Luke ch.22 v.36" (fwd) Date: 15 Feb 2001 10:47:25 PST On Feb 15, Kevin M. McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Pull quote of the Day: "Crime is caused by criminals - persons with evil hearts and evil intentions." And when only the agencies of government have access to arms, those with evil hearts and evil intentions will of course be drawn to those agencies. Another lesson of the last eight years or so. Kevin M. McGehee Coweta County, Georgia mcgehee@charter.net http://www.McGeheeZone.com/ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, 15 February, 2001 9:54 AM ch.22 v.36 Father Murphy and the Million Mom March by David Dieteman There is an Irish folk song named "Boulavogue," which tells the story of a Catholic priest, Father John Murphy. Ultimately, the story of Boulavogue is the story of a priest who convinced his flock to surrender their arms to their government, but upon seeing the slaughter of his flock by that government, came to lead his sheep in rebellion, and was executed in the end. At first, as the United Irish (founded by Wolfe Tone, a Protestant) struggled to start the Rebellion of 1798, Father Murphy convinced his parishioners to sign an oath of allegiance to the government. The county of Wexford, as Robert Kee writes in the first volume of The Green Flag, was "feebly organized" for rebellion. The plan of the United Irish was for all of Ireland to rise against the English simultaneously. This was only four years after the revolution in Poland led by Tadeusz Kosciuscko (a veteran of the American Revolution), nine years after the French Revolution, and 22 years after the beginning of the American Revolution. The spark which set Wexford on fire (quite literally) was the search for illegal weapons (sound familiar?). The English used the local yeomanry to scour the county for weapons and, predictably, the local volunteers were a bit too enthusiastic in their searches and seizures. The North Cork militia, which searched Wexford for illegal arms, was mostly Catholic. Despite this fact, they were no easier on the mostly Catholic locals than the Protestant militias were in other parts of Catholic Ireland. As Kee observes, the North Cork militia "were the very troops popularly credited with the invention of the pitch-cap method of torture. One of their sergeants named Heppenstal had acquired the nickname of 'the walking gallows ' for his peculiar skill in half-hanging men over his shoulder." By May of 1798, men and women in Wexford slept in the fields so as not to die in their houses, should their houses be put to the torch in the middle of the night. News of massacres and uprisings from all over Ireland had tensions running high. In this atmosphere, Father John Murphy encouraged his parishioners to surrender their arms in exchange for the promise of protection by the English government. His parishioners did so. Unsurprisingly, the English did not abide by the rules of their alleged protections. As Kee reports, "The Arms Proclamation in Wexford had allowed a period of fourteen days for the surrender of arms. But the local magistrates and troops had shown no inclination to wait that long but had begun floggings and other tortures immediately." Troops who encountered peasants, after demanding the surrender of arms, simply opened fire without waiting for compliance. This disregard for the rule of law outraged the Irish, as it had outraged the American colonists twenty-two years earlier: "A portion of the men...had now become spiritless. They saw that a Proclamation issued with all the formality and apparent binding of an Act of Parliament was despised and made no account of...Their arms in a great measure surrendered, they became silent, sullen and resolved to meet their fate with such arms as they were in possession of." In other words, after the Irish had dutifully turned over their weapons, they quickly realized that they were sheep for the slaughter. Having voluntarily deprived themselves of their most effective means of self-defense, they now stood at the mercy of their English oppressors. The English set fire to one farm after shooting into a crowd of men working the fields. The lieutenant in charge of the torching, a man named Bookey, is remembered to this day in the song Boulavogue. Bookey died that day, stabbed in the throat by a pike. The next day, Bookey's regiment rampaged across the countryside in a feat of vengeance that would have pleased Abe Lincoln and General Sherman. Over 170 homes were burned, as well as Father Murphy's chapel at Boulavogue. As a result of this destruction, Father Murphy and roughly 1,000 men gathered on Oulart Hill, with perhaps fifty guns and no military leadership. The group was attacked by 110 members of the North Cork militia, but drove the militia from the hill. After an encouraging string of early victories, the rebels were soundly defeated. Massacres of Protestants alienated the few Protestants, such as Beauchamp Bagenal Harvey, who had provided a semblance of military leadership. At Vinegar Hill, cannon fire and determined assaults drove the rebels from their base while "mowing them down like grass." The English, who would come to fight the Germans in two world wars in the twentieth century, relied not only upon local militias, but upon imported German mercenaries - Hessians, as in the American Revolution - to put down the rebellion. The Hessians were ruthless in their depredations. As Kee reports, one English officer later wrote that the crown's forces never gave quarter in the rebellion...hundreds and thousands of wretches were butchered while unarmed on their knees begging mercy; and it is difficult to say whether [regular] soldiers, yeomen or militia men took most delight in their bloody work. In such actions as he saw, all the male inhabitants of any house in which the rebels took refuge were put to death and the German contingent in the king's army, Hessians commanded by a Count Hompech, won fame for their rape and slaughter of women. The same officer reckons that altogether 25,000 rebels and peaceable inhabitants were killed in this way, 'by the lowest calculation,' and the Protestant historian, Gordon, in trying to assess the total number of people killed on both sides in the whole rebellion and reaching the tentative figure of 50,000, says he 'has reason to think that more men than fell in battle were killed in cold blood.' The Rising of 1798 at an inglorious end, the English hung Father John Murphy, burned his body in a barrel of tar, and placed his head on a spike on a main street. Of course, there was tragedy in the deaths of those loyal to the English occupiers as well. Among those killed fighting for English domination of Ireland was Lord Mountjoy, "who, as Luke Gardiner twenty years before, had carried through the Irish House of Commons the first Catholic Relief Bill, permitting Catholics once again to own land." After the rebellion of 1798, the Irish would wait 150 years to gain their independence. Many more would die during those 150 years, either in war, rebellion, or An Gorta Mor (the Famine). Only after the Easter Rebellion of 1916, a civil war in the 1920s, and the willingness of Eamon DeValera to declare Irish independence in 1948, did Ireland regain the independence it had lost nearly 700 years earlier. The story of Father Murphy has rather obvious implications for America today. Rather than blindly surrender our freedoms and firearms in exchange for paper promises of "protection," Americans are better served to rely upon themselves. There are an abundance of fools today - Rosie O'Donnell, Pulitzer Prize winning cartoonist Don Wright of the Palm Beach Post, the Million Mom March, and most Democratic politicians - who would have Americans willingly surrender their firearms. The argument is that if only regular citizens would give up the means of self-defense, enjoyment, and hunting, then there would be no crime, no murder. How utterly stupid. Crime is caused by criminals - persons with evil hearts and evil intentions. Although it is fashionable today to "understand" why a criminal turned to a life of crime, this should not excuse what the criminal does, nor should it cause one to leave one's doors unlocked at night, or to leave oneself unarmed within a home. The murdered man or woman, or the rape victim, is not made whole again because we realize that a felon did what he did after having been abused as a child, or because of a chemical imbalance in his brain. To leave oneself defenseless, at the mercy of criminals and dependent upon someone answering a call of 911, is sheer foolishness. In the event that an NFL-linebacker sized man (or, the way the NFL is going these days, an NFL linebacker) breaks into your home with the intent of raping, killing, and robbing, do you really wish to rely on your luck to a) get to the phone, b) dial it, c) wait for them to pick up, d) describe to the person on the phone how you are about to die, and then e) wait for the police to arrive? Your loved ones may get the joy of hearing your screams played over and over on the nightly news while a transcription of "Oh my God! Please stop!" runs across the screen. (The media is so sensitive, especially where the feelings of victims are concerned). Far better to have the means of your own protection quick at hand. As the old saying goes "God created men, but Sam Colt made them equal." For the very slow, Sam Colt invented the Colt revolver. It's a gun. What does this have to do with Father Murphy, aside from the obvious connection to surrendering guns? Aside from Rosie and the gang of twits mentioned above, the churches have gotten into the gun-banning game. How many people have to die, how many girls must be raped, before the churches snap out of their latest fad? The church teaches that one has a moral duty of self-defense. Just as suicide - actively causing harm to oneself - is immoral, so too is the failure to resist when resistance is possible (passively allowing harm to be done to yourself). If you are in mortal danger, respect for yourself requires you to fight back. Exactly how are faithful Christians supposed to fulfill their duty of self-defense without the means to do so? How are they to protect their children without the means to do so? If there is a better means of defending one's self than a gun, please tell me and I will buy it in large quantities. If you are a 100-pound woman facing a 250 pound, 6'2" man - roughly, an NFL linebacker - would you rather have a) a baseball bat, b) a kitchen knife, or c) a pistol or shotgun? Hopefully, the answer is c every time. If guns are no good for self-defense, one wonders why muscular male police officers feel the need to carry them. Surely, in hand-to-hand combat with knives, clubs, or fists, a tough cop might stand a chance where a housewife stands none. Americans, learn a lesson from Father Murphy. Don't trust your government to protect you, and don't hand over your most effective means of self-defense. For those of you still foolish enough to listen to anything said by Rosie O' Donnell, or any Democratic politician, such that you might be worried that your kids will find your guns and injure themselves, take a look at the cold, hard facts: guns save lives, and they save the lives of children. John Lott's book More Guns, Less Crime and Robert Waters' The Best Defense: True Stories of Intended Victims who Defended Themselves with a Firearm provide all the data to satisfy the most die-hard ammophobes (gun-o-phobes just doesn't have a ring to it). Your toddler is more likely to drown in a bathtub than be shot. Those statistics you hear so often on the nightly news about kids being shot include 17, 18 and 19 year old murder victims, i.e. persons involved in gangs and drugs. If you want to truly teach your children to understand the importance of gun safety, buy a gun, learn to use it safely, and teach your children as well. The NRA's Eddie the Eagle program is a model of gun safety - endorsed by the FBI, no less. [Quotations taken from Robert Kee, The Green Flag, vol. 1. The Most Distressful Country. New York: Penguin, 1972. Part Two, Chs. 10 and 11.] February 14, 2001 Mr. Dieteman is an attorney in Erie, Pennsylvania, and a PhD candidate in philosophy at The Catholic University of America. © 2001 David Dieteman http://www.lewrockwell.com/dieteman/dieteman19.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: HCI and Heston at Villanova (fwd) Date: 15 Feb 2001 10:48:27 PST Now this is the kind of thing we need to see a lot more of! On Feb 14, stevechr@ptd.net wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] A friend of mine attended the Charleton Heston presentation at Villanova University tonight. His opening line about "going easy on Chuck" is an allusion to a previous discussion we had about Heston's public statements that he doesn't think ordinary citizens should own "assault rifles." Here is his after action report. The lesson to be learned here is that we must never allow the anti's a free ride - ever! If they show up somewhere, we hassle 'em - just for fun. It doesn't take planning or coordination or a large group. It only takes one committed person who is willing to donate his time (and in this case $10 plus mileage from Easton to Philadlephia). A giant attaboy is owed to Jason. >Delivered-To: stevechr@ptd.net >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:43:34 -0500 >To: stevechr@ptd.net >From: Jason > >I went easy on chuck. > >But, I had fun with the "students" with anti-gun literature. > >I went back and asked for a "group" photo with me in the middle. Shirley >Lake was manning the Camera. See, the SAS was not allowed to set up their >info display because they were not a "student" org. While we were lining >up for the photo the friendly puppet master/HCI rep threw a fit and said >"no pictures, no pictures, no pictures." Seeing her HCI badge I asked if >she was "in charge" of the group. She said yes. As the campus cop RUSHED >over to break up the ruckess, I introduced myself and inquired as to why >the SAS was not allowed to set up shop. With the "non students" answer I >pointed out that the same HCI Rep that denied me my photo op is in fact "in >charge". That said, the campus cops made them close up shop. > >While they were packing up I inquired about their lobbying against the Gun >Show Loophole. By this time the HCI momma was peeved. I asked three or >four if they 1) knew what it was and 2) had they ever been to a gun show... > >I thanked the students for their time and thanked them for their work. >They were perplexed. I thanked Ms HCI for her work.... "If it weren't for >you, my people would not have a visible foe to rally against." > >Oh ya I forgot, I embellished a wee bit when I asked them (prior to the >photo op request) if they had heard of the Holocaust? They answered yes. >Ms. HCI was listening intently. I said that my people were put on trains >and led to camps right after the Original Handgun Control Inc. applied "gun >control" to an unsuspecting nation. > >It was a good night. More than worth the $10. > >Jason [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: IRS info in USA Today (fwd) Date: 15 Feb 2001 13:37:37 PST On Feb 15, Rich Martin wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I don't know how much faith I'd put in this, but I sure didn't want the list to know about it. One thing, you don't file a w-4 with the govt. It is th form you fill our for your employer. Some employers just ask you: how many dependents. The govt does not get copies of the W-4, and as an accountant, I have never seen a request for one. I will be buying tomorrows USA Today. Rich Martin Editor of Slick ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Here is some interesting data. More and more people are forcing the courts to acknowledge that there is no legal basis to force people to pay Federal taxes. Federal taxes are essentially voluntary, but once you file the W-4 you have obligated yourself. This stuff should be interesting. Robert T. In a message dated 02/14/2001 5:35:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, acta@capital.net writes: A full-page ad will appear in USA TODAY, this Friday, February 16th, which will feature the photos and names of three ex-IRS Agents who have resigned their positions and joined a growing number of former and present IRS officers, attorneys, Certified Public Accountants and retired judges who believe and assert that there is no law that requires most Americans to file an income tax return or to pay the federal income tax, and that the entire income tax system is founded upon fraud and is operated illegally. The message will also contain a number of "pearls" concerning the Internal Revenue Code and some brief comments on the recent New York Times article. The ad is sponsored by the We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education. Bob Schulz Chairman We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education 2458 Ridge Rd., Queensbury, NY 12804 (518) 656-3578 http://www.givemeliberty. Cut out the middlemen. Send donations to: Boys Scouts of America National HQ 1329 Walnut Hill Ln. Irving, TX 75162 http://www.SaveOurScouts.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RE: Is Gun Confiscation In Effect ? (fwd) Date: 15 Feb 2001 13:32:05 PST On Feb 15, R.J. wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] So now we know that we have 1) the Supreme Law of the Land (the Constitution & Bill of Rights) and 2) the constitutions of the several states that say we have the RKBA We have a Federal Executive Branch that does not respect 1) and 2) above; We have federal and state legislatures that are passing laws contrary to the constitutions; We have local, state, and federal Law Enforcement agencies enforcing illegitimate laws; We have a de facto conficsation of arms contrary to the constitutions, and We have courts at all levels that are upholding these illegitimate laws and We have legislators and Law Enforcement officials at all levels that act, in fact, as though all of these laws (all these statutory laws and various codes) are superior to the Supreme Law of the Land. What we have, in fact, is a government acting outside of the authority granted to it (them) -- a network of illegitimate governments, operating without the consent of (all of) the governed. An illegitimate government has no authority, unless the governed do not take appropriate action which is inside of its authority and obligations. Now, what might that be? What is left for us to exercise? Since this is true "...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." "...when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Our efforts to install a government and administration that will respect the Supreme Law has failed, and the only remedy left is a Revolution that no one is apparently willing to fight. Our current Department of Justice has taken no concrete action to halt or provide protection for a church recently closed by them. So apparently we have an illegitimate government. We have a just basis and a duty to "to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their [our] future security." Notice recent events at the Indianapolis Baptist Temple, where the IRS siezed and closed a local church for refusing to become agents of the IRS and to collect taxes. The pastor refused the help of those who would have stood by him and his congregation, since that solution would have involved the RKBA. This is not to give much deserved credit to local and state Law Enforcement officials to simply not participate. But in spite of all the rhetoric from "the Right", I believe we Americans lack the public will and the leadership to execute a necessary action. So now it is clear to me that as of this date, we have the will or the leadership to fight for the cause and maybe win it. Therefore, there is no basis for a "Just War" against the oppressors. ... Rick Butkowski Constitution Coalition rbutkowski2@home.com rbutkowski@aol.com -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 1:06 PM apfn@onelist.com; NWAlliance@onelist.com; slick-d@yahoogroups.com; excalibur25@juno.com To those who have vain hope that the nra or some other, alegedly, pro 2A organization is the answer to restoring the Second Amendment (2A), I did some research. Below is my recent exchange with Attorney Larry Becraft, a well known and respected pro US Constitutional attorney. ********** Hi, Larry: My 1990 Black's Law Dictionary defines: De facto. In fact, in deed, actually. This phrase is used to characterize an officer, a government, a past action, or a state of affairs which must be accepted for all practical purposes, but is illegal or illegitimate. Thus, an office, position, or status existing under a claim or color of right such as a de facto corporation. In this sense, it is contrary to de jure, which means rightful, legitimate, just or constitutional. [Remainder excluded for brevity] Confiscation. Act of confiscating. The seizure of private property by the government without compensation to the owner, often as a consequence of conviction for crime, or because possession or use of the property was contrary to law. The provisions of due process prohibit the confiscation of property without compensation except where the property is taken in the valid execution of the police power. Given that the federal and state governments have converted the individual right to keep and bear arms to a paid for permission and have banned certain firearms - new machine guns, "assault weapons", et al - from ownership, isn't this de facto confiscation of the individual right and de facto gun confiscation ? Your thoughts. ********** I think you have an accurate view of the matter. Wish it were otherwise. Larry ********** Hey Bruce, I believe your note is addressed to the "takings" issue and that is why I responded in the manner I did. I have no problem with you e-mailing my notes to others, but I thank you for thinking about consequences to me. I already spend too much time on the Net, which is bad for getting work done. Please, do not include my e-mail address. For the matter you brought up in your note to me, I think that people who have such interests should do some reading and studying on "takings." This authority should get you started: 1. Executive Order 12630, March 18, 1988, and June 30, 1988, AG Guideline for the evaluation of risk and avoidance of unanticipated takings. Also 43 USC 1901. Also 36 CFR 219.7. 2. Yancey v. US, 915 F.2d 1534 (Fed Cir. 1990): turkeys had to be paid for by agency. 3. Formanek v. US, 26 Cl.Ct. 332 (1992): agency denied permit, considered a taking. 4. Lariscey v. US, 949 F2d 1137 (Fed Cir. 1991): prisoner's invention. 5. Kaiser Aetna v. US, 444 US 164, 100 SCt 383 (1979): marina. 6. Nixon v. US, 978 F2d 1269 (DC Cir. 1992): pres. papers. 7. Golden Gate Hotel Ass'n. v. City & County of San Francisco, 836 FSupp. 707 (ND Cal. 1993): ordinance took hotel property. I suggest you hit a law library, get these cases and make them available to others. Then, people will appreciate the "takings" arguments. By takings, I mean compensation paid via the exercise of eminent domain powers, which is what gun confiscation is. Larry ********** My note to email recipients: Given that Attorney Becraft agrees with my assertion that de facto gun confiscation is in effect, who then are the clueless ? Remember, the nra has conspired with politicians to get increasingly more anti 2A laws into effect, since at least as early as its support for the 1934 nfa. The other, allegedly, pro 2A orgs. have failed to do the right things to restore the 2A. Americas' alleged patriotic community has consistently stated that confiscation would be the final line drawn in the sand. Yet, nationwide defacto confiscation has existed since the 1934 nfa enactment. Where is that final line in the sand ? Nowhere. Never has been, is not now, never will be. BTW, I will not be hitting the law library to obtain and post the above cited cases and decisions. I've done my bit. BTW2. My assertion addresses the barest tip of your tyrannically confiscated rights. Bruce Chesley Truth is a terrible cross to bear. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.". Thomas Paine Treason for $$$: ALL "pro 2A" orgs. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [freedomforum] ABORTED BABIES SOLD AS HEALTH FOOD (fwd) Date: 15 Feb 2001 15:56:08 PST Just when I was begining to think it was safe to leave my box of barf bags in the closet..... On Feb 13, Archibald Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Babies as Health FoodThere is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. -- Proverbs 14:12 (KJV) Archibald Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom ICQ 83834746 Keep And Bear Arms http://www.keepandbeararms.com INFOWARS.com, a Presentation of the Energetic Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com/index.html Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 7:24 PM http://www.abortiontv.com/AbortedBabiesSoldAsHealthFood.htm The following is the text of an article which originally appeared in the Hong Kong Eastern Express on April 12, 1995. For more information, contact Bruce Gilley at The Eastern Express in Hong Kong, telephone: 011-852-27071111, or fax 011-852-27071122. No one could accuse The Chinese of being squeamish about the things they eat - monkeys' brains, owls' eyes, bears' paws and deep fried scorpions are all items on The menu. But most dishes revered as national favorites sound as harmless as boiled rice when compared to the latest pint de jour allegedly gaining favor in Shenzhen - human fetus. Rumors that dead embryos were being used as dietary supplements started to spread early last year with reports that some doctors in Shenzhen hospitals were eating dead fetuses after carrying out abortions. The doctors allegedly defended their actions by saying the embryos were good for their skin and general health. A trend was set and soon reports circulated that doctors in the city were promoting fetuses as a human tonic. Hospital cleaning women were seen fighting each other to take the treasured human remains home. Last month, reporters from EastWeek - a sister publication of Eastern Express - went to Shenzhen to see if the rumors could be substantiated. On March 7, a reporter entered the state-run Shenzhen Heath Center for Women and Children feigning illness and asked a female doctor for a fetus. The doctor said the department was out of stock but to come again. The next day the reporter returned at lunch time. The doctor eventually emerged from the operating theatre holding a fist size glass bottle stuffed with thumbsized fetuses. She said: "There are 10 fetuses here, all aborted this morning. You can take them. We are a state hospital and don't charge anything. "Normally, we doctors take them home to eat - all free. Since you don't look well, you can take them." Not every state hospital is as generous with its dead embryos as the Health Center for Women and Children. At the Shenzhen People's Hospital, for example, the reporter was in for a surprise. When a Ms. Yang, the head nurse, was asked for fetuses, she looked anxious and asked other staff to leave. After closing the door, she asked the undercover buyer in a low voice: "Where did you (get to) know that we sell fetuses?" The reporter answered: "A doctor friend in Hong Kong told me." "Who? What is his/her name?" The reporter was not prepared for this line of questioning and could not come up with a name. Yang told him that fetuses were only for sale within the hospital, and were not for public purchase. She added that some staff would, however, sell the fetuses on to Hong Kong buyers. The reporter learned that the going rate for a fetus was $10 but when the merchandise was in short supply, the price could go up to $20. But these prices are pin money compared to those set by private clinics, which are said to make a fortune selling fetuses. One chap on Bong Men Lao Street charges $300 for one fetus. The person in charge of the clinic is a man in his 60's. When he saw the ailing reporter, he offered to take an order for fetuses that had reached full-term and which, it is claimed, contain the best healing properties. When a female doctor named Yang - no relation - of Sin Hua clinic was asked whether fetuses were edible, she said emphatically: "Of course they are. They are even better than placentas. "They can make your skin smoother, your body stronger and are good for kidneys. When I was in an army hospital in Jiangti province, I often brought fetuses home. They were pink, like little mice, with hands and feet. Normally, I buy some pork to make soup (with the fetuses added). I know they are human beings, and (eating them) feels disgusting. But at that time, it was already very popular." A Mr. Cheng from Hong Kong claims he has been eating fetus soup for more than six months. To begin, the man, in his 40's, would make the trip to Shenzhen frequently for business and was introduced to fetuses by friends. He says he met a number of professors and doctors in government hospitals who helped him buy the fetuses. "At first, I felt uncomfortable, but doctors said the substances in fetuse es could help cure my asthma. I started taking them and gradually, the asthma disappeared," Cheng said. Now, Cheng only eats fetuses occasionally to top up his treatment, but there was a time when he made regular cross border trips with the gruesome merchandise. "Everytime [I made the trip], I carried a Thermos flask to Shenzhen and brought the fetuses back to Hong Kong to make soup. If they gave me 20 or 30 at a time, I put them in the refrigerator. I didn't have the soup every day - it depended on the supply. "Usually, I washed the fetuses clean, and added ginger, orange peel and pork to make soup. After taking it for a while, I felt a lot better and my asthma disappeared. I used to take placenta, but it was not so helpful." When asked if he was concerned about the fetuses containing diseases, Cheng was dismissive. "I bought them from government hospitals. They would check the pregnant women before doing the operations and only sell them to me if there was no problem. Also, I always boil them over high heat which kills any bacteria." Although Cheng has overcome any squeamishness over eating fetus soup, he says he draw the line at consuming whole dead embryos. He also refrains from telling people of his grisly dietary habits. Zou Qin, 32, a woman from Hubei with the fine skin of a someone several years younger, attributes her well preserved looks to a diet of fetuses. As a doctor at the Lun Hu Clinic, Zou has carried out abortions on several hundred patients. She believes fetuses are highly nutritious and claims to have eaten more than 100 in the past six months. She pulls out a fetus specimen before a reporter and explains the selection criteria. "People normally prefer (fetuses of) young women, and even better, the first baby and a male." She adds: "They are wasted if we don't eat them. The women who receive abortions here don't want the fetuses. Also, the fetuses are already dead [when we eat them]. We don't carry out abortions just to eat the fetuses. "Before, my sister's children were very weak. I heard that fetuses were good for your health and started taking some to my nephews," Zou says, without remorse. "I wash them with clear water until they look transparent white and then stew them. Making soup is best." But she admits there are drawbacks to this dubious delicacy. "Fetuses are very smelly and not everybody can take the stink, " she said. "You can also make meat cakes by mixing fetuses with minced meat but you have to add more ginger and chives to get rid of the smell." Hong Kong legislator Dr. Tan Siu-tong is surprised that it could be within anyone's capability to overcome the stench of a dead fetus, even if their stomachs are lined with lead. "When all the placental tissue is dead, the smell is awful and is enough to make you feel sick. It is like having a dead mouse in the house," he said. The fetuses allegedly eaten by the Chinese are all provided by China's extensive abortion services. Last year, doctors in the People's Hospital - the biggest hospital in Shenzhen - carried out more than 7,000 terminations, 509 on Hong Kong women. The Hong Kong Family Planning Association (FPA) estimates that 24 per cent of all abortions on Hong Kong women are performed in the dubious surroundings of a Chinese hospital. A Ms. Li from Hong Kong has had two abortions in Shenzhen but has never heard of people eating fetuses. "But I didn't want the babies, so after the abortions, I just left them with the hospital," she says. "I didn't want to look at them, and I certainly didn't want to keep them. Fetuses of two or three months are just water and blood when they come out. They are so small, how can you eat them?" Doctors in the territory have responded with disgust and incredulity to stories of people supplementing their diets with fetuses. Many have read articles of fetal cannibalism but none has been able to verify the reports. They are treating the issue with skepticism. Dr. Margaret Kwan, a gynecologist who until two weeks ago held the post of chief executive at the FPA, says: "This is the strangest thing I have ever heard coming out of China. I just hope it is not true." Dr. Warren Lee, president of the Hong Kong Nutrition Association, is aware of the unsavory rumors. "Eating fetuses is a kind of traditional Chinese medicine and is deeply founded in Chinese folklore. In terms of nutrition, a fetus would be a good source of protein and fats, and there are minerals in bone. But I don't know if eating fetuses is just folklore or more than that," he says. According to Lee, it is conceivable that fetuses are rich in certain hormones that are beneficial to the adult human body, but should this be the case, the fetal matter would have to be converted into an indictable form for best results, as most hormones including the hormone for diabetes, insulin - are broken down in the digestive system before they have a chance to be absorbed by the body. But Lee suggests that anyone who eats a fetus would be seeking a remedy that is far more elusive than a hormone or mineral. "Some people may think there is also an unidentified substance or chemical that has healing powers, but there is no evidence that this is true." Lee urges people to be wary - "There are people out there who just want to make money and they will come up with all sorts of formulas or substances, which, they say will cure diseases." As a child, Patrick Yau was fed on human placentas by his mother who worked at a local hospital, but in his current position as a psychologist with the Social Welfare Department he is both repulsed and shocked by the notion of eating fetuses. "As a Catholic, I object to abortions because I believe the fetus is a human life, and I certainly object to eating a dead baby after it has been aborted," he says. Yau concedes that in China, where the one child policy has turned abortions into an acceptable remedy to an unfortunate human blunder, people may have adopted a new outlook on life before birth, such that embryos are stripped of their status as human beings. But Tang fails to understand how anyone anywhere can convince themselves "that they are just eating an organism when they are actually eating a dead body". "It may not be a formed human being, but when they think about it most people would think: 'Ugh! No, I can't eat that.' I don't think civilized people with an education could do that sort of thing." Dr. Wong, a Hong Kong doctor who practices Western medicine, thinks only the ignorant would eat human fetuses. He explains that fetuses contain mucoploysaccharide, which is beneficial to the metabolism, but states that it can be found in a lot of other food - Chinese doctor Chu Ho-Ting agrees that there is no place for fetuses in medicine, and suggests that it might even be unhealthy if the pregnant woman was infected by disease. "Most bacteria can be killed under 100 degree heat but some require 400 degrees. Some people believe eating fetuses can strengthen the immunity of the human body against diseases, but this is wrong. Although fetuses contain protein, they are not as nutritious as placenta, which contains different kinds of nutrients. But even placenta has to be taken with other Chinese herbs." [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: *** The Fortress *** (fwd) Date: 15 Feb 2001 19:42:55 PST On Feb 15, InTheRiver wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The Fortress An allegorical look at America's struggle for freedom Editor's note: Amy Stanford is a 17-year-old home-schooled senior who lives near Austin, Texas. She has a strong interest in journalism as a career. © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com What great men dared to choose Small men now dare neither win Nor lose. --Archibald MacLeish, "Brave New World" ----- In a far away land that is surprisingly nearer than you thought, there is a fortress disguised as a palace, a barricade as a courtyard. It was built by a very brave and radical people who would have rather died than suffer under the cruel heel of tyranny any longer. And thousands did sacrifice their lives -- men, women, and children -- to build this haven of safety and freedom. After much labor, sweat, blood and tears, the beautifully hewn stones and carved pillars were erected to an impenetrable height. It was not a flimsy, impromptu affair, but a structure designed to last for centuries to come. The foundation was solid, the walls strong. The people who built it realized the Fortress would be constantly under attack, and so they impressed upon their children the importance of ceaseless vigilance and prayer to make certain the walls would remain strong. This people's story is an inspiring one, and no doubt you have heard bits and pieces of it, although it is not as widely told and celebrated as it once was. But I am not here to tell what has gone before. I am going to tell you what must yet come. Now something must be understood: Many battles were and are being fought for the Fortress. The individuals who died in these battles did not die for themselves, nor for their children, nor even for the Fortress. These soldiers died once, their mothers, wives, sweethearts and sisters died many times over, for a dream, for an ideal, for Seven Personages who are as real as you and I, and who are the main characters of this story. Some people class these seven entities with Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, as myths. Nevertheless, they are living, breathing persons that have abode in the Fortress by invitation and by choice since its beginning. They could choose to leave at any time, yet they stay, for they have come to think of the Fortress as their home. Yes, these seven persons have names -- Liberty, Justice, Uncle Sam, History, Wisdom, Innocence, and Truth. Oh, yes. And the Eagle, the Protector of the Fortress. It and Uncle Sam cannot really be called individuals, neither can they exactly leave at any time. But they are both important and vital figures. "Why would they want to leave such a secure place as you have just described anyway?" you may well ask. Many years have passed since the building of the Fortress. It is not the tower of security it once was. The Enemy, seeing that direct attack upon the massive structure was futile, resorted to craft and deceit. He fed the people of the Fortress false philosophies and subtle lies, causing them to gradually let down their guard. The Enemy ceased his violent attack upon the walls and let several generations pass without a battle, causing the people of the Fortress to further slip into a false sense of security and confidence. As the Enemy, overjoyed at his success, stepped up the flow of false teachings, the foundation of the Fortress began to crumble from neglect and the nibbling of the Enemy. The Seven watched these events with despair, for the people began to reject their advice. Particularly Justice and Truth's. As the people became more and more corrupted with the Enemy's lies, Uncle Sam and the Eagle were also corrupted, for they were made up of the people. And then the unthinkable began to happen. Slowly, without the people realizing it, the Enemy gained access to the very persons their ancestors had fought and died to protect. Only Truth saw him coming, easing, creeping, sneaking his way into the Fortress. She ran first to Liberty. "We are under attack! The Enemy is here, he will enslave as before!" Liberty looked around in alarm. She didn't see any Enemy. Stroking her graying temples thoughtfully, she told Truth, "There is no one here, the people are still free." Truth insisted, "He is here. I saw him walking among the people. They accept him. We are in danger." "No doubt you think you saw someone, Truth, for you do not lie." Here Liberty laughed at the obviousness of the statement. "But we are safe in the Fortress, the Enemy cannot invade us." "But he has--" Truth was cut off by a careless wave from Liberty's hand. Truth's forever-young face fell in disappointment and grief, and she walked slowly away. A few minutes later, softly, quietly, the broken shackles at Liberty's feet were mended and gently replaced around her wrists. Her flaming torch dimmed slowly to a mere flicker of a candle. She looked up in surprise. There was no one but her six friends and the people of the Fortress. The Enemy had become so commonplace, almost a reassuring presence to the people, he blended in, he was invisible. Nobody would be able to see him coming. Nobody but Truth. Liberty turned to Uncle Sam. "The Enemy is among us. I have been shackled again. Free me as you did before! He has taken away the people of the Fortress' freedom. Now he is able to destroy them!" Uncle Sam snorted good-naturedly. He seemed much bigger than he ever had before, more powerful. "You've been listening to Truth. She's been telling everyone that the Enemy is right here in the Fortress. What nonsense. You are not shackled, Liberty, it is a figment of your imagination. Why, look at the people. They are just as free as they have ever been." Liberty obediently examined the people. It was true, they seemed happy enough, working, playing, going to school. She brought her chained wrists up to her face to inspect the shackles. They were not too heavy. But little things here and there bothered her. She mentioned them to Uncle Sam. He laughed her off again, saying, "What? Would you have us destroy all laws? You know that without fairness, there is no real freedom. Everything is just fine." Liberty protested, "That's just it. It's fairness, not justice, you are giving to the people." Uncle Sam looked at her in confusion. "Is there a difference?" "I ... don't know. I will ask Justice." Liberty walked away to find Justice. She was sitting alone on Court Terrace, facing the sunset. Liberty wondered why, as Justice's blindfold did not allow her to see it. Sometimes Liberty pitied her, never being able to take the blindfold off, but it was vital, Liberty knew. Justice heard Liberty's footsteps and turned with a rather uncertain, but pleased smile. Her blindfold was gone. Liberty gasped, and ran closer. "Justice, your blindfold. ..." Then she noticed something else. "Your sword ... what happened to them?" "He said it wasn't right that my eyes were covered. He said I needed to see if my judgment was fair. He took away my sword. He said it was too cruel, too intimidating, I shouldn't use it anymore. He gave me this to use instead." Justice held up a ridiculously little wooden spoon. Liberty gazed at Justice in amazement. The Interpreter of the Law's eyes were a soft, sparkling blue. It was sad they had been hidden for so long. "Justice, who's 'he'?" "Why, I don't really know. I heard this nice voice speaking to me, telling me why I needed to take my blindfold off. He took my sword, handed me this spoon, then took my blindfold. I could see, and nobody was there." Justice hesitated. "I heard also Truth's voice. She was warning me not to listen to him. She said he was the Enemy, but he seemed much too pleasant for that. After he took away my sword ... she spoke no more." Justice's eyes fell to Liberty's wrists. "Why are you shackled, Liberty? I thought we were free." Justice's naïveté touched Liberty's heart, and she hastened to reassure her. "Oh, these are not serious. Just some little laws here and there that we need so we can be fair to everybody." But Justice caught the uncertainty in her voice. "Fairness. ... I suppose it's all right. But Truth seemed so sure that it was the Enemy." Justice paused in thought. "Will I have to change my name to Fairness?" Liberty turned this over in her mind. "I don't really know. Anyway, I came to ask you a question. Is there a difference between justice and fairness?" Justice glanced down at the pair of scales in her hand. "Before I would measure them against each other in the scales, but now that I can see to judge for myself ... he said that I should." "The man who took away your blindfold said that?" "Yes. Perhaps he is right." Justice took a deep breath and tossed away her scales. "In that case, I see no difference between fairness and justice." Liberty looked doubtful. "That seems OK, but now I remember Wisdom saying something about the difference between the two. Are you sure in your judgment?" Justice sighed. "No, I am not. I just don't know. This is all so new to me. The man said to trust myself, but perhaps we should ask Wisdom after all." "Yes, let's. I'm sure she will know." And so the two women made their way to the Fortress' school and library where the younger people learned how to live life. But Liberty and Justice did not find Wisdom, instead they found an extremely attractive young man who looked like he was fresh out of college. He was teaching where Wisdom had once taught, but with a different theme. Liberty accosted him politely. "Excuse me, sir, where is Wisdom?" The young man laughed derisively. "Wisdom? Who needs Wisdom? I am Knowledge. I am a better teacher than Wisdom, I have more power than her. She would teach these kids to follow stuffy, bigoted, hypocritical rules that would hinder them in their exploration of life. Wisdom is a useless old fool." Knowledge eyed Justice and her downcast expression. "Congratulations on being de-blindfolded. Now you have more power, more knowledge. Why are you not happy?" Justice dropped her eyes shyly. "I ... I am, I suppose. It's just that, well, Liberty and I had a question." Knowledge puffed out his chest and boasted, "Ask away. I know everything." Liberty took a sudden strong disliking to Knowledge. "No. We will ask Wisdom. Where is she?" Knowledge sneered, "She is gone; she will never show her face in this room again. And there's nothing you can do about it. You are chained." Liberty glanced at her shackles in shame. Knowledge continued in an insolent tone. "I am sufficient to answer your question. Ask me." Justice looked bewildered. Liberty hesitated, then walked resolutely off. Justice turned to follow, but Knowledge caught her by the wrist, speaking in a soft, silky voice. "Stay a little while and let me tell you more, Justice." Justice jerked away, blushing, with her eyes down. "No ... no, I must go." And she hurried after Liberty. When she caught up with her, Liberty was muttering angrily. "Who does he think he is? I need Wisdom, and I will find her. He cannot tell me what to do." Justice asked pitifully, "What's wrong? Is the Enemy really in the Fortress? How did he get in? Where is Wisdom?" "Hush, dear. I am thinking. I cannot do much to free the people of the Fortress now, but I can warn the others. We must find them." Justice obediently fell silent, trotting behind Liberty's long strides. Soon they reached the Great Room, the meeting place of the Seven, and where a horrible spectacle met their eyes. The Enemy was there to be seen plainly, holding a sword to History's throat as he whispered in her ear the lies he was forcing her to record. With a shock, Liberty recognized the sword as Justice's. Truth lay in a corner, bound and gagged with Justice's blindfold. Uncle Sam stood rigidly, his suspenders cut, and his pants around his ankles. His boxers were humiliatingly polka dotted. The Eagle was wheezing weakly and his once-noble feathers tattered and muddy. He dragged a broken wing beside him. The arrows that used to be so strongly clasped in his claw were broken and scattered about the room, and the olive branch was wilted and useless. But by far, the worst of it all was Innocence. She was bruised and bleeding, sobbing hopelessly into Wisdom's lap. Wisdom stroked Innocence's fine, tangled hair with a wrinkled and shaking hand. Liberty and Justice walked slowly across the room to Wisdom and Innocence, and Liberty knelt down beside the old woman and the girl. Justice stood still, her eyes smoldering. Liberty asked gently of Wisdom, "What happened to her?" Wisdom answered in a brittle tone, "Knowledge." Her voice broke, and tears fell on the golden head in her lap. "He raped her. My little Innocence." Justice opened her mouth to proclaim furious judgment on the offender, but a raucous laugh startled her, and she whirled. The Enemy stood there, smirking at the Seven's sorrow and rage. "I am winning," he taunted. "The little people of the Fortress, they do not care. They welcome me with open arms! Your humiliation, your disgrace, it is my glory! You are beaten, give up the Fortress to me!" There was silence broken only by Innocence's weeping. History watched, hoping, praying. She had come to the Fortress trusting that she would be able to record accurately and objectively the events of time. In other places, her arm had been twisted to put down facts that glorified wrongs and praised evil. Here she had been able to write with freedom and truth. Until now. She watched as her friends who had protected and encouraged her gave up hope one by one. Even Liberty's broad shoulders sagged. History's sharp eyes darted to Wisdom. She had faith in Wisdom. It was not unfounded. "Do not despair totally. There is yet hope. If the people of the Fortress realize the danger, they will fight back and rescue us." The Enemy snickered. "And who will tell them, old woman? You are all my prisoners, to do with as I please." Wisdom glared at the Enemy with her faded blue eyes. "No, not all. You may shackle Liberty, you may take away Justice's power, you may mock me, you may destroy Innocence, you may distort History, but you cannot bind Truth. You cannot destroy or stop her. She will always be more powerful than you." "Quiet, old woman! Cease your babbling!" The Enemy thundered. "It is not true. Truth is silenced!" "Only by the misuse of Justice!" Wisdom turned to Justice, whose rage had subsided into a confused sullenness. "Go release Truth." "No, stop! You are in my power." The Enemy's face was purple with fury. Justice hesitated. "Go on, Justice, he cannot stop you." This was from Liberty, who had a new, but dim, light in her sad brown eyes. Justice walked to Truth, who had been watching alertly, knelt down beside her, and undid the bonds. The Enemy stomped and raged and threatened, but that was all. Truth stood very still, waiting for instructions from Wisdom. "Go to the people of the Fortress, warn them about what is happening. It will not be easy. They are self-satisfied and comfortable. But you must succeed. The Fortress depends on it." Truth had no trouble hearing Wisdom's soft words over the Enemy's roaring. But suddenly it ceased. He watched warily as Truth walked directly toward him. The Enemy seemed paralyzed as Truth boldly took Justice's sword from his very hand. She regarded him very much as one regards a mad dog. Truth turned to Wisdom, who still had Innocence crying into her lap. She knelt down and lightly kissed Innocence's head. "The hurt that has been done to you shall be avenged. I swear this." Truth rose and approached Liberty. "Give me your torch. It is not as bright as it once was, but it will help light the darkness of the Enemy's lies so the people of the Fortress can see that they are no longer free." Liberty gravely held out her torch. "God be with you." Truth nodded, took the torch, and walked to stand before Uncle Sam who had not said a word. "You have believed a lie and shamed yourself and the Fortress in the eyes of the world. It has been so recorded by History. It is now my responsibility to regain the respect that the Fortress has lost by you." The Enemy watched, still silent, as Truth knelt by the wounded Eagle. Stroking its head, she murmured comfortingly, "The Fortress' brave and unconquerable protector ... now conquered by its own people. I will persuade them that you should be healed and strengthened instead of broken down. Mend your arrows and pluck another olive branch, for you shall be strong again soon." The Eagle cocked its still-proud head and followed Truth's movements with piercing eyes. She walked to the door of the Great Room, then turned. Her six friends, the Eagle, and the Enemy were watching her. In the six and the Eagle, she saw a quiet and patient hope. They had all suffered before. In the Enemy, she saw the small, shivering, worthless soul of a coward, masked by a cruel and tyrannic face that expressed a desire for them to suffer more. Truth raised her hand in farewell to her friends. "In God we trust." Without looking back, she walked out the door and into the world of the people of the Fortress. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: OT, Feminists Loose Their @$$ Date: 15 Feb 2001 19:44:45 PST Off Topic, but too funny to leave alone. BREAKING NEWS! Dateline Bellingham, Washington At Evergreen State College, Feminists had, "erected", a giant 6' female genetalia, to announce/advertize, "The Vag*na Monologues". Well, it's vanished. Some say they've seen it runnung amuck through the countryside, while others theorize that it will be found years from now in some special place of hobor in some Frat House or other. Feminists were aghast, Aghast I say, to learn of the, "Up Yours", message of it's replacement, a giant male genitalia. Word has it that the Feminists are becoming aroused, There is, no doubt, more to come, on this breaking story.....:-) -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: SRA - Gun Op-Ed: "A Double Dose of Discrimination". (fwd) Date: 16 Feb 2001 10:28:20 PST On Feb 16, Brad3000 wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] FYI - Read. Friends, Feel free to use this article in any way you like. Take Care, Mike Brown Vancouver, WA ******************************************* A DOUBLE DOSE OF DISCRIMINATION The term "legal blindness" is often poorly understood, which may partly account for a new context in which it has appeared in the media. Most states issue concealed weapon permits to any adult citizen who can pass various tests and extensive background checks. In recent months, controversy has flared when it became known that permits have been issued to persons who are legally blind. News stories have quoted outraged anti-gun lobbyists who feel that this a terrible and shocking new problem. These handicapped permit holders are being hit with a double dose of discrimination. Not only are they treated differently because of their handicap, they are also stigmatized as gun owners. Many persons with impaired vision are affected by the stigma attached to the word "blindness". In fact, being legally blind is not synonymous with complete blindness. The definition of legal blindness is corrected vision no better than 20/200 or a loss of peripheral vision that leaves only the central 20 degrees of vision. Many legally blind persons use their remaining vision to perform a large range of visual tasks. Firing a handgun in self defense does not necessarily require good vision. Almost all defensive gun uses occur at short range and many within arm's length. Studies of video from security cameras has shown that most defenders do not even use the sights to align their handgun with an attacker. At close range, simply pointing the weapon instinctively is the norm. Another important fact to remember is that the vast majority of defensive gun uses, roughly 95 to 99%, end without a shot being fired. Criminals almost always break off an attack when they see that their intended victim is armed. The handicapped have a legitimate fear of physical assault. They are often targeted by criminals for robbery and rape because they appear to be easy targets. Women who are pregnant, the elderly, or people who are affected by a temporary illness are also at risk. The system of issuing concealed weapon permits has been a remarkable success in all thirty two progressive states where a "shall issue" system is in effect. The remaining states have a "discretionary" law - permits are issued at the whim of law enforcement officials. In these states most permits are held by politicians, political contributors, celebrities and relatives of said officials. The most important fact to remember, one that infuriates the gun haters, is that permit holders in every state have proven to be one of the most responsible and law-abiding segments of the population. There is no reason to believe that physically impaired citizens are any different. It is bad enough that society discriminates, even if unintentionally, against the handicapped. Stripping them of the right to self defense adds insult to injury. The mean-spirited cultural war against gun owners is already nasty enough, we don't need to start attacking the handicapped. Dr. Michael S. Brown --The author is an optometrist who specializes in Low Vision care - helping persons with visual impairment read and perform other visual tasks. He is also a member of Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws, http://www.keepandbeararms.com/dsgl. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: WOW - SOMEONE'S PETITION TO BAN GUNS IN THE USA (fwd) Date: 16 Feb 2001 14:38:11 PST On Feb 14, Barbara Alford wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] To clark@thinkradio.net who proposed the below petition to BAN all GUNS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: I had to take a walk after I read your "petition" to ban guns, which in essence takes away our inalienable right as Americans, as human beings, to protect not only ourselves, but our homes and families/friends as well. I do not understand what "logic" you are using and I will not even pretend to imagine how your mind works in creating such a petition, but I must ask you this: Do you know you are free in all regards (ie. freedom of speech, freedom to move about as you choose, etc) because of firearms? Our Founding Fathers did not, let me repeat, they DID NOT put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for light or transient causes such as hunting. Of course, that is what the main stream media would have you believe. Rather (and maybe it would help if you studied our American History, Constitution, the Federalist papers and various writings of our Founding Fathers and revolutionaries) the second amendment was placed in our Bill of Rights for the specific reason which is this: they believed that an armed citizenry would be the only defense to a government which may otherwise become tyrannical and despotic. It has worked for over two hundred years, and I'll tell you that if you get them to come for our guns your freedoms which you take so much for granted, will be gone the next day. Most of us Patriots realize that guns in the hands of the law abiding citizens is the bolt that holds our other freedoms together. Somewhere along the line liberals have come to think that guns kill people. I'd like to correct you on that one; it is people who kill people. If one wishes to kill, they will use any means at their disposal to do so, be it a knife, a baseball bat, or even a frying pan. Shall we outlaw those items as well? Shall we ban cars because of fatal traffic accidents, or airplanes because they crash? How about banning gasoline, since it can be used to start fires and blow things up? Hey, what about the deaths due to electrocution each year in ones own home; surely electrical appliances should be outlawed! Heck, people get lazy and forget they shouldn't use a blow dryer in the bathtub! We're trying to protect folks here, right? It's going to take alot more than a petition to take away our weapons, sir. Oh yes, alot more; most of us will never surrender them willingly and those that do, deserve what they get. Don't forget that your so called petition only effects us law abiding American Patriots and would have no effect on the criminal element in our society. I have a question for you. If you are serious about this, do me a favor. Put a big sign in front of your home that says "THIS HOUSE IS SAFE AND GUN FREE", then scan it and put it up on your website. That way, we'll know you're true to your cause. If not, put up or shut up. Have you ever heard of Patrick Henry? In case you haven't (which is a very good possibility) he is the one that made the famous declaration that ignited our revolution and it was, "Give me liberty or give me death!" That passion still runs in the veins of every true American, sir. It would not be a good idea to forget that. In liberty forever, Barbara Alford ************************************************************************ PETITION TO BAN ALL GUNS IN THE UNITED STATES We, the people, are tired of having our schools invaded by psychotic youngsters. We, the people, are tired of being robbed of our political leaders by some psychotic with a gun or a rifle. We, the people, are tired of passing through metal detectors on our way to our courts and our governmental buildings. We, the people, are tired of being victimized by gun carrying criminals. While there are many long term solutions that would decrease the number of outlaw gun operators, there will always be an unacceptable number of non-compliant gun operators in a country with a population of 250 million people. We, the people, are faced with only two choices. One is to place guards, metal detectors, and other devices designed to invade the personal liberties of the citizens at every single place where the public gathers. The other alternative is to eliminate all guns and firearms from the United States of America. Given that we must choose from one of these two choices, we, the people, choose to eliminate all privately held guns and firearms from the United States of America. We, the people, therefore call upon you, our elected representatives, to enact legislation to remove all guns and firearms from private ownership. We, the people, call upon you, our elected representatives, to enact laws to: Create a one year period for the United States of America to purchase at fair market value all guns and firearms, including hand guns, rifles, and even antique guns and rifles from domestic private ownership. Prohibit and criminalize the domestic sale of guns and firearms, whether new or used. Seize and destroy any gun or firearm found after the termination of the purchase period without compensation. Prohibit and criminalize the domestic possession of a gun or firearm after the termination of the one year purchase period. Provide exemptions for governmental law enforcement agencies, the armed services, and bona fide museums. Goodbyeguns.org http://www.goodbyeguns.org/index.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: [Fwd: Int'l. Criminal Court - Radio Show, 2/17/01, 3:00 p.m. E.T.] Date: 16 Feb 2001 19:37:47 -0600 -------- Original Message -------- Reply-To: "The Liberty Committee" Veterans Radio Network will broadcast a show about the International Criminal Court tomorrow, Saturday, February 17 at 3:00 p.m. E.T. The show will be hosted by Jim Brosemer. Mr. Brosemer has invited Yale law professor Ruth Wedgewood and me to debate the issue. The program can be heard via the Internet by going to http://www.veteransradionetwork.com/current.html . The show is also broadcast by some radio stations throughout the U.S. Here is a description of the program written by Veterans Radio Network: We have thousands of US military deployed around the world. The men and women that serve this country are given orders everyday. Some of these orders are to bomb areas of other countries. Would you consider these "War Crimes"? The International Criminal Court would!!! Former President Clinton signed the "International Criminal Court Treaty" on December 31st, 2000. Eighteen months earlier he refused because he said it had flaws. These so called flaws are still there. Would you want your son, daughter, brother or sister to go before a group of judges from other countries and be tried for what they may consider to be war crimes? Joining Jim in the first hour is Yale Law Professor Ruth Wedgewood. Professor Wedgewood is a staunch supporter of the treaty. Kent Snyder is the Executive Director of the Liberty Committee. He is against it. We want you to call in and give us your opinion!!! This is your "Show"!!!! To ask a question or make a comment during the program, call 1-877-266-7469. Kent Snyder The Liberty Committee http://www.thelibertycommittee.org -------- Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Conservative activists: What issues matter the most? (fwd) Date: 17 Feb 2001 13:10:57 PST On Feb 17, Charles Nawrocki wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] SENT FYI.///////////////// >From: WBracken1@aol.com >Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 06:06:14 EST >Subject: Conservative activists: What issues matter the most? >To: WBracken1@aol.com >X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 > > >FOLKS, IF YOU'RE NOT A MEMBER YOU SHOULD BE. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >William Bracken: > >This e-mail is a keeper. 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Click to Recommend-It (r) to your >friends, and you could win $10,000! > > >------------------------------ >A Christian Patriot > Hosea 4:6 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Partisan Politics (fwd) Date: 17 Feb 2001 14:25:22 PST On inv oralid,, Albert T. Viar wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] PARTISAN POLITICS The perception that our military personnel are serving to protect our nation from foreign agression is a noble one. If it were a true perception, it would be divine. The sad truth is that our current military is riddled by mental misfits, traitors who wear the United Nations Blue Helmets and/or Patch and do the bidding of a hostile foreign power, the United Nations. During the Korean War, and the Vietnam War, we did not understand the communist underpinnings of the United Nations. Now, we do not have that excuse. We now need the competent and the brave soldiers who actually intend to serve and to protect to join us in the private sector and organize and train effective civilian Partisans to defend our nation from United Nations agression. I have served in the U.S. Navy and did take an oath to serve and protect our nation from all agressors, foreign and domestic. I left active service before treasonous `President' John F. Kennedy sold our nation down the Communist drain by signing the unconstitutional surrender of our nation to the United Nations and its landed entity, ISRAEL with the Department of State Document #7277 in 1961. My oath was not compromised by Kennedy's later action. That oath still rings true after 40 years. I am still defending our nation from all agressors, both foreign and domestic. I am publishing The Adams County Patriot's League, an expose of the Communist/Socialist/Globalist takedown of Planet Earth. I provide many of the names of those actively promoting the destruction of our nation, the names of those who have sworn an oath to support our great Constitutional Republic, but instead sell us out to a foreign power at each opportunity, and many of the names of those who, while alive, aided that subversion. The Adams County Patriot's League is a publication dedicated to the restoration of our Constitutional Republic and Constitutional government. Failing in that, The Adams County Patriot's League offers targets of opportunity for all those Patriots in the private sector who realize time is short and are wondering where the enemy lies. For your targeting information, the names of many of those treasonous and seditious individuals and organizations are plainly displayed within the pages of The Adams County Patriot's League. At this point in time, there are 63 issues in print and in general circulation. There are no subscription fees. Copies or samples may be obtained by communicating with me. Albert T. Viar 836 Maine Street Quincy, Illinois 62301 (217) 228-3207 hodag3@rnet.com Editor of The Adams County Patriot's League [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Ashcroft May Teach Lefties to Love Guns (fwd) Date: 18 Feb 2001 11:36:19 PST Now here's one you don't see the likes of every day..... On Feb 17, Rich Martin wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Source: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=10466 Ashcroft May Teach Lefties to Love Guns Knute Berger, AlterNet February 13, 2001 I have never understood why the left in this country has decided to unilaterally disarm. Why is it that liberal civil libertarians are always gung ho on the constitution, until it gets to the Second Amendment which was what, written in invisible ink? In trying to stake out some kind of moral high ground, the left has abandoned not a only a basic right, but a potent symbol. Face it, in America, you only get respect if you're packing. The right has known this for a long time: guns are as American as John Wayne, as righteous as Charleton Heston, as cool as the latest, hipster noir revival film (Snatch comes to mind). But more importantly, the militias, patriots, NRA-nuts, and neo-Confederates comprise an important -- and much pandered-to -- Republican constituency. Their guns, and the money that goes with them, have gained them the attention of the media and the powerful. Unlike Barry Goldwater, their extremism in the defense of liberty has been good politics. Now one of the big panderers is Attorney General, John Ashcroft, a man who loves to toss around right-wing code words that mean something to the far political fringe. He defends gun rights as a bulwark against the "tyranny" of government and judicial activism, and he extols the virtues of "southern patriots." As the left faces the possible -- even likely -- tyranny of a far-right Republican regime, isn't it time to lock and load? The left has been reluctant to ally itself with the right on many issues, even when they agree. Notice that few activists have embraced Pat Buchanan for his stance against the World Trade Organization. Partly it's principle, not wanting to associate with racists, anti-Semites, or religious fanatics. It's also partly snobbery, avoiding the trailer trash side of the cultural divide. The result is that many liberals looked the other way at the outrages at Ruby Ridge and Waco, or at the depradations against privacy and police restraint under Attorney General Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. They scoffed when the NRA fundraisers called federal cops "stormtroopers." Well, now that the government is in new hands, is the left having any second thoughts? Does anyone really believe that Ashcroft's ATF will be any more compassionate than Janet Reno's? It's not like lefty activists have abandoned violence entirely. The Earth Liberation Front and other so-called eco-terrorists are torching trophy homes that sprawl into the last lots of wilderness (or Long Island). The Black Bloc anarchists of Eugene and elsewhere are ever-eager to make a statement by smashing glass at the nearest Starbucks or Niketown. Of course, they don't like to call such acts violence because, they rationalize, acts against property aren't violence, because private property itself is violence. Whatever. The fact remains that some elements of the left are resorting to actions that make simple gun ownership for self-defense, or any other legal reason, seem downright lame. After all, target shooting, it seem to me, is much less violent than burning down a ski resort. If the mainstream left was honest with itself, it would end its pious moralizing about guns and recognize that violence is sometimes an effective political tool. An even greater tool is the threat of violence. In Seattle, a group of pro-gun progressives, Democrats for the Second Amendment, got together with a group called Cease Fear to offer NRA handgun training to gay and lesbians. The training was also sponsored by a variety of organizations, including the Microsoft Gun Club, the local Libertarian Party, and the Jewish Defense League. While Cease Fear focuses on basic gun safety training, it was also designed to help people get over the idea that guns are for rednecks only. Jonathan Rauch, in a Salon article called "Pink Pistols," argues that guns can not only protect gays, but empower them the way self-defense has empowered Jews. "Guns can do the same thing for homosexuals: emancipate them from their image -- often internalized -- of cringing weakness. Pink pistols, I'll warrant, would do far more for the self-esteem of the next generation of gay men and women than any number of hate crime laws or antidiscrimination statutes." Rauch wants to make gay-bashing dangerous. To that end, Cease Fear unveiled new T-shirts for last spring's Gay Pride parade: and delta symbol with a fist holding a handgun and the words "Bash this!" In that spirit, the time is ripe for liberals to overcome their Second-Amendment reluctance, embrace gun rights, praise Gaia and pass the ammunition. It's time to test the tolerance of the Bush administration's new chief law enforcement officer by seeing how far he'll go to protect those who also abhor tyranny, but from the opposite end of the political spectrum. It's time to say, "Hey Ashcroft, bash this!" [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Dr. Martin Fackler is America's foremost forensic expert on ballistic injuries. (fwd) Date: 19 Feb 2001 13:28:24 PST On Feb 19, Kevin M. McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, 19 February, 2001 12:01 PM injuries. Firearms in America: The Facts Martin L. Fackler, MD Monday, Dec. 25, 2000 I must confess to being a member of a very dangerous group. I am a physician: We cause more than 100,000 deaths per year in the USA by mistakes and various degrees of carelessness in treating our patients. Why does society tolerate us? Because we save far more patients than we kill. Firearms are entirely analogous. Although used in far fewer deaths* - they are used to prevent about 75 crimes for each death. Firearms, like physicians, prevent far more deaths than they cause. (Gary Kleck, "Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America," Hawthorne, N.Y., Aldine de Gruyter Publisher, 1991) Consider the implications of the fact that firearms save many more lives than they take. That means decreasing the number of firearms would actually cause an increase in violent crime and deaths from firearms. This inverse relationship between the number of firearms in the hands of the public and the amount of violent crime has, in fact, been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. (John R. Lott Jr., "More Guns Less Crime," University of Chicago Press, 1998) History supports the inverse firearm-crime relationship. In "Firearms Control - A Study of Armed Crime and Firearms Control" in England and Wales (London, Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1972, p. 243), Chief Inspector Colin Greenwood found that: No matter how one approaches the figures, one is forced to the rather startling conclusion that the use of firearms in crime was very much less when there were no controls of any sort. . Half a century of strict controls on pistols has ended, perversely, with a far greater use of this class of weapons in crime than ever before. In Tasmania, Australia, on 28 April 1996, a lone gunman killed 35 and wounded 21 at the Port Arthur Historic Site. The Australian legislature reacted by outlawing self-loading rifles and pump as well as self-loading shotguns. One year after the massive confiscation of guns the effects of this action became clear. Every category of violent crime had increased; the most striking was a 300 percent increase in assaults against the elderly. Those demented persons who have expressed their frustration by a shooting spree have apparently retained enough good sense to choose places where those shot would almost certainly be unarmed: a schoolyard in Stockton, Calif., the Columbine High School, a Jewish day care center in Los Angeles, a Long Island Rail Road car (due to the highly restrictive ban on handgun carry permits in New York). The emotional reaction to these incidents, attempting to make certain places "gun free" zones, for example, revealed a striking lack of rational thought. Apparently those pushing for "gun free" zones failed to recognize that the perpetrators of these incidents chose their sites specifically because they were already essentially "gun free" areas - practically guaranteeing no armed resistance to foil their plans. Such gun-restrictive proposals are a certain recipe for making the situation worse. Lott's studies have shown that such mass shootings essentially disappear in states that pass laws allowing qualified citizens to carry concealed handguns (The American Enterprise, July-August, 1998). Consider the steadily decreasing rate of violent crime over the past eight years. An article in USA Today (K Johnson, 9 Oct 00, 3A) reported "Gun injuries in crimes fall 40% in 5 years." This stark decline has occurred concomitantly with a constant rise in the number of firearms in the hands of the American public. This strongly supports the "more guns less crime" relationship verified by Kleck, Lott, history, and common sense. This steady decrease has brought the current percentage of gun violence in the USA to its lowest rate in the past three to four decades. One would expect the anti-gun groups to be pleased and to moderate their goals. Instead, apparently rankled by the facts proving their theories dead wrong, they are promoting increasingly prohibitive gun laws with ever-increasing zeal. Could it be that the media attention bestowed upon their cause has become addictive? Certainly, legislators have found the free TV time given to their anti-gun tirades something they cannot live without. I suggest that a reason for the decreasing crime rate, caused in part by the increasing number of guns, lies, perversely and ironically, in the counterproductive exaggerations and incessant repetitions, by the TV media, of each and every bloody shooting they can find. This has frightened and misled the public into believing the threat from guns is ever increasing, rather than decreasing sharply, and has whetted their appetites for firearms to defend themselves. Thus the public has bought more firearms - which has further decreased the violence from firearms. There is a perception among gun owners that they are being treated irrationally as legislators pander to the misinformed majority who are being swayed by emotional appeals that fly in the face of the studies cited above, history, and basic common sense. They feel that legislators should be obliged to soberly consider the facts and not have their votes dictated by blind, unthinking, and most often counterproductive, emotion. Consider firearm registration: being increasingly promoted by nearly all anti-gun groups - and politicians. These promoters neglect to explain why or how they expect firearm registration to prevent future violence; especially since, historically, such restrictive laws have always proven ineffective or counterproductive - most often causing a marked increase in violent crime, as shown in the examples given above. We already know how honest, formerly law-abiding, citizens will react to irrational laws requiring them to register their firearms. California has taught us. After Purdy's shooting spree on the Stockton schoolyard in 1989, the Californian legislature passed a law requiring the registration of all "assault rifles." In the emotional frenzy following that shooting incident, everybody expected legislators to pass such a restrictive law. What happened? The price of "assault rifles" tripled in California. Many tens of thousands of these rifles poured into California before the law went into effect. Then came the time for registration. Very few "assault rifle" owners chose to obey the law. It is uncertain how many criminals were created by this irrational law, but most estimate that fewer than 10 percent of the "assault rifles" in California were registered. If an estimated several hundred thousand "assault rifle" owners in California chose to become criminals rather than obey an irrational law, how many gun owners nationwide can we expect to do the same if required to register their guns? Most of the facts explained above are unknown to the majority of the American public. The pro-gun political activists spend so much time harping on the Second Amendment that they tend to overlook the factual proof that decreasing the number of guns increases violence, and vice-versa. Additionally, I believe that most Americans consider their right to protect themselves and their families a far more fundamental right than the Second Amendment. Many honest gun owners are now frightened. They have every reason to be. Few of the facts outlined above have been revealed by a media that, instead, gives full play to the emotionally based appeals and flagrant exaggerations of the anti-gun groups. These gun owners fear that they will be forced into a difficult moral decision: Do they obey a law requiring them to register their firearms, when they are fully aware of the irrationality and counterproductive nature of such a law? Or are they morally obligated to disobey such an unjust law - and thus become a criminal? Our forefathers faced a similar moral dilemma. Had most of them chosen to obey, we would still be a colony of England. We must separate, dispassionately, the clearly established facts about firearms in the USA from emotionally based opinions, exaggerations, and falsehoods. No rational approach to any problem is possible until this is done. I worry that irrational restrictive measures, such as mandated gun registration, will result in a massive backlash of civil disobedience - not by drug-dazed teenagers, but by sober, honest, and mature adults who are well-armed and proficient in the use of their weapons. That could tear this country apart. *Footnote. When anti-gun activists list the number of deaths per year from firearms, they neglect to mention that 60 percent of the 30,000 figure they often use are suicides. They also fail to mention that at least three-quarters of the 12,000 homicides are criminals killing other criminals in disputes over illicit drugs, or police shooting criminals engaged in felonies. Subtracting those, we are left with no more than 3,000 deaths that I think most would consider truly lamentable. Dr. Martin Fackler is America's most foremost forensic expert on ballistic injuries. Read more on this subject in related Hot Topics: Guns/Gun Control E-mail this page to a friend Printer Friendly Version E-mail a Comment to NewsMax Discuss in the NewsMax Forum Reprint Information This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.printcharger.com/emailStripper.htm [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Great Article on Leftist Hate Speech Date: 20 Feb 2001 07:26:39 -0600 The March 2001 issue of _The_American_Enterprise_ has a great article on leftist hate speech: "Left-Wing Trash Talk," by Blake Hurst. It's also on the Web: http://www.theamericanenterprise.com/taem01c.htm The danger WRT the Constitution is that extremists, primarily (though not exclusively) on the left, are trying to ban acts and words they find offensive. By branding anything that criticizes them and their agenda as "hate" speech, they lump such things in with "hate" crimes, and then try to criminalize their opponents. We can fight back by exposing their hypocrisy and their own brand of "hate" speech; the above article does a fine job of this. It's in the spirit of the annual compilations of Jeff Jacoby and the Media Research Center ( http://www.mrc.org/ ). -- Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Legalities (fwd) Date: 20 Feb 2001 20:44:22 PST On Feb 20, Charles Nawrocki wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Date: 20 Feb 2001 18:57:32 CST >(Sent from a friend) > > > These are quotes people actually said in court, word for word, taken > > down and > > now published by court reporters who had the torment of staying calm > > while > > these exchanges were taking place: > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: What is your date of birth? > > A: July fifteenth. > > Q: What year? > > A: Every year. > > > > +++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: All your responses must be oral, OK? What school did you go to? > > A: Oral. > > > > +++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact? > > A: Gucci sweats and Reeboks. > > > > +++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: How old is your son, the one living with you? > > A: Thirty-eight or thirty-five, I can't remember which. > > Q: How long has he lived with you? > > A: Forty-five years. > > > > +++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all? > > A: Yes. > > Q. And in what way does it affect your memory? > > A: I forget. > > Q: You forget. Can you give us an example of something that you've > > forgotten? > > > > +++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: What was the first thing your husband said to you when he woke >that > > > morning? > > A: He said, "Where am I, Cathy?" > > Q: And why did that upset you? > > A: My name is Susan. > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: And where was the location of the accident? > > A: Approximately milepost 499. > > Q: And where is milepost 499? > > A: Probably between milepost 498 and 500. > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: Sir, what is your IQ? > > A: Well, I can see pretty well, I think. > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: Did you blow your horn or anything? > > A: After the accident? > > Q: Before the accident. > > A: Sure, I played for ten years. I even went to school for it. > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo or >the > > occult? > > A: We both do. > > Q: Voodoo? > > A: We do. > > Q: You do? > > A: Yes, voodoo. > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: Trooper, when you stopped the defendant, were your red and blue > > lights > > flashing? > > A: Yes. > > Q: Did the defendant say anything when she got out of her car? > > A: Yes, sir. > > Q: What did she say? > > A: What disco am I at? > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: The youngest son, the twenty-year old, how old is he? > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: Were you present when your picture was taken? > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August eighth? > > A: Yes. > > Q: And what were you doing at that time? > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: She had three children, right? > > A: Right. > > Q: How many were boys? > > A: None. > > Q: Were there any girls? > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: You say the stairs went down to the basement? > > A: Yes > > Q: And these stairs, did they go up also? > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: How was your first marriage terminated? > > A: By death. > > Q: And by whose death was it terminated? > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: Can you describe the individual? > > A: He was about medium height and had a beard. > > Q: Was this a male, or a female? > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition >notice > > which I sent to your attorney? > > A: No, this is how I dress when I go to work. > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead people? > > A: All my autopsies are performed on dead people. > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: Do you recall the time that you examined the body? > > A: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m. > > Q: And Mr. Dennington was dead at that time? > > A: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing an > > autopsy. > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: Are you qualified to give a urine sample? > > > > ++++++++++++++++ > > > > Q: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a >pulse? > > A: No. > > Q: Did you check for blood pressure? > > A: No. > > Q: Did you check for breathing? > > A: No. > > Q: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began > > the > > autopsy? > > A: No. > > Q: How can you be so sure, Doctor? > > A: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar. > > Q: But could the patient have still been alive nevertheless. > > A: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing > > law somewhere. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: CAFR: The Biggest Theft In American History (fwd) Date: 20 Feb 2001 22:52:44 PST On Feb 21, dkuehne@erols.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] --- forwarded message --- Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports The Biggest Theft In American History By Walter J. Burien, Jr. Every city, county, state, and the federal government keeps a hidden, SECOND SET OF BOOKS which track the multi-TRILLION dollars in tangible wealth they have built up in these virtually hidden portfolios initially coming from investing YOUR tax money for over 50 years in everything from real estate to the stock market. Your city, county, state, and federal governments have LIED TO YOU for decades. There is NO NEED FOR TAXES. Our governments are not broke, they are rich beyond measure with OUR money, and they are hiding it from the American taxpayer while pleading they are broke and need more taxes, bonds and levees to survive. This being done as they blindly justify their obscene growth. BS! There is enough aggregate wealth owned by our government agencies to abolish ALL property and income taxes TODAY. You are being conned, lied to, ripped off, and financially raped. See for yourself. Click on the web site below: http://hometown.aol.com/cafr1/CAFR.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Christian Students Must Be Allowed to Say Homosexuality Is a Sin (fwd) Date: 20 Feb 2001 22:51:23 PST On Feb 21, dkuehne@erols.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Christian Students Must Be Allowed to Say Homosexuality Is a Sin Source: Massachusetts News http://www.massnews.com/marsin.htm Alternate Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a8d9b824e06.htm Published: February 16, 2001 Excerpt: A decision by a U.S. Court of Appeals in Philadelphia about freedom of speech will have a profound impact in Massachusetts, says Boston's constitutional lawyer Chester Darling. A three-judge panel held on Wednesday that Christian students must be allowed to say that homosexuality is a sin and to speak out on other moral issues. "We've been limiting free speech for a long time in Massachusetts, but this unconstitutional practice will not continue," Darling predicted. "Our terrible attitude was exhibited in its worst light last month," Darling said, "when the mayor of Newton said that he would fight with those parents who disapprove of school policies about homosexuality 'until their voices are no longer heard.' "They must stop that type of bigotry," Darling said, "and if they don't, we will be happy to have a court instruct them." Click here for full text of the opinion: http://pacer.ca3.uscourts.gov/recentop/week/994081.txt [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Watson Subject: [PROVE] Autism and Vaccine (fwd) Date: 21 Feb 2001 09:03:42 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/18/25/02.html Autism and Vaccine by Tim O'Shea,DC Perhaps one of the most shocking pieces ever to appear on television this past April: a six-hour taping of a Congressional investigation into the relationship between vaccines and autism among American children. This footage appeared on C-SPAN and was then archived on their website for a entire month. On April 6, Rep. Dan Burton convened the Congressional hearing in which parents repeatedly told similar stories - how their normally developing babies, after MMR or DPT vaccinations, began displaying autistic behaviors, conditions that are often permanent. Happy, bright children were suddenly losing their abilities to learn, communicate or even recognize their parents. Amazing testimony was given by experts in the field of autism: Mary Megson,MD, explained how autism has gone from being rare (about one incident per 10,000 children in 1978), to epidemic proportions in 2000 AD: one case in every 300-500 children in many areas! Megson's research has shown total deficiency of vitamin A in almost all autistic children. What depletes the body of vitamin A at 15 months? The MMR vaccine. In addition, Megson found that pertussis toxin from the DPT shot disrupted a certain protein that is necessary for retinal formation. This would account for the prevalence of night-blindness and loss of 3D vision so common among autistics. John O'Leary,PhD, a world-class researcher and molecular biologist from Ireland, using state-of-the-art sequencing technology, showed how he had found the measles virus in the gut of 96% of autistic children, compared to 6.6% in normal children. This virus did not come from the natural disease, but from the measles vaccine. Dr. O'Leary found measles virus present in 75% of children with Crohn's disease. Crohn's has traditionally been an intestinal disease of adults, following years of dietary abuse. Its appearance in children is a new event, and Dr. O'Leary's work points to the measles virus from vaccines as the likely cause. V. Singh,MDM, a specialist from Utah State who has studied over 400 cases of autism, found that these children had experienced an autoimmune episode, in which their own bodies had been made to attack the linings of their nervous systems. Dr. Singh characterized the epidemic as a "hyperimmune response to the measles virus." He stated that 55% of the families said that autism appeared soon after an MMR shot, and that 33% of families said it appeared soon after a DPT shot. Such neurologic damage is a well-established side-effect of the mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde used in these vaccines. Andrew Wakefield,MD, a brilliant researcher from the UK, noted an almost 100% incidence of "lymphoid nodular hyperplasia" or swollen lumps throughout the intestinal tissue of autistics. Such a condition is rare in normal children. Intestinal pathology is characteristic of the autistic child, and the condition generally follows soon after the MMR shot. Dr. Wakefield explained that as the fragile, newborn intestine cannot function because of its swollen condition, undigested toxins from vaccines and drugs are allowed to get into the liver, which is also in a formative stage. Liver pathology is very common among autistics. Wakefield's hypothesis is that these same "undegraded toxins," having not been halted by the intestine or the liver, as normally happens, that these toxins are then free to attack the nervous system, and that autism may well be the result. Kathy Pratt,PhD, director of the Indiana Center for Autism, stated that 1 in 400 children in Indiana were autistic! With 500,000 cases reported in the U.S., Dr. Pratt stated that autism is now more common than Down's syndrome. Dr. Pratt points out that autism presently may disqualify a person for medical coverage for other, unrelated conditions. Michael Goldberg,MD, a California pediatrician and researcher, explained how it was impossible to have an epidemic based solely on genetics. That's the standard excuse the CDC and the NIH have been using to explain how autism has grown from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 300 in just 22 years. Seeing the American democratic system in action in a live Congressional hearing, it soon becomes apparent how the control of information operates, even in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence that we may well be poisoning our own children! The requisite defenders of the status quo robotically read their predictable prepared statements, denying the possibility of any connection between autism and vaccines. These included MDs Paul Offit, Edwin Cook, Brent Taylor and others. After they uniformly denied the vaccine/autism connection, it was most illuminating when Burton asked each one of them point-blank about the money each received from the vaccine manufacturers. And these are members of the advisory committee who make the decisions about which vaccines are to be included in the mandated vaccination schedule. Colleen Boyle was there to represent the Centers for Disease Control. After stumbling through her prepared statement in which she denied any connection between autism and vaccines, Boyle stated the present incidence to be "12 in 10,000." Burton then stopped her cold by asking her one simple question: Did she think it was a conflict of interest for the same people who were funded by the vaccine manufacturers to be on the advisory board making decisions about which vaccines should be given to American children? Boyle was dumfounded and speechless. Burton repeated the question. Still no answer. Boyle's mute portrayal of the career bureaucrat spoke volumes. Equally inept and ill-prepared was Deborah Hirtz, MD, representing the National Institutes of Health. Losing her place in her written statement, Hirtz forgot what she was saying, and it seemed obvious she had not written it. Finally, she just barely managed to put across what she was sent there to say - that there could be no connection between vaccines and autism, but that the NIH was "looking into it." The NIH has already spent some $40 million per year of taxpayer money "looking into it." (Hirtz) Their answer: It needs further study. The performance of these representatives from the two government agencies who have almost sovereign power in the area of vaccines was frightening - their indifference; lack of information; condescension; and low level of intelligence. They gave no sign of having understood one word of the critically important breakthrough research that had just been so brilliantly expounded by Drs. Megson, O'Leary, and Wakefield. This is what power looks like - people who have been in their position so long that they know they don't have to justify themselves to anyone lower down on the food chain. Government agencies have the same answer to every problem: more committees; more money; more study; and more meetings. Meanwhile, 22 years have gone by, and all these people say is "we don't know." After 22 years and $100 million, we don't know the incidence, the cause or the cure for autism. But we'll definitely "look into it." And, oh yes, it's definitely "not vaccines." The shocking scientific findings of Wakefield and O'Leary obviously demand more research. So then, why are the vaccines not suspended until that research is done? The underlying assumption is that the vaccines will continue as normal until enough "research" proves it is dangerous, as with rotavirus and Quadrigen. Only then will MMR be suspended. This is the thinking that passes as logic. The key point here that no one seems to be pointing out is that research should be done before mandating a vaccine into the bloodstream of American children! You don't just start mass-injecting something into a population and then stand back and defy independent scientists to prove it isn't safe! That's exactly what we've done here. As a nation, as a government, and as parents, Americans should be very certain, beyond a reasonable doubt, that any substance being injected into an unformed little nervous system is absolutely safe and does no harm. That shoul be the minimum requirement. Drs. Wakefield, O'Leary, and Megson have shown startling results from some of the only scientific research on autism and vaccines in the entire world that has not been funded by the vaccine manufacturers. This research also shows a high likelihood that MMR and DPT vaccines may cause permanent intestinal destruction, liver damage, and autism. It presents a very plausible hypothesis for the horrific increase of autism since 1978. So, until we know for certain if they're right, why are the vaccines not suspended? Researcher Gary Null's pert answer comes swimming to the surface; "It's the money, stupid." By the end of the hearing, Burton's room was polarized into three groups: * those who were convinced of a connection between autism and vaccines * those who admitted the possibility * those who angrily denied the possibility, affronted that anyone would question their "scientific" opinions It was amusing to see which people in the room were trying to discover the truth, and which were trying their best to cover it up. Despite Burton's heroic efforts to bring these matters into public view, it's an uphill struggle. The big money's on the side of vaccines. Big money controls research, the press, "scientific" journals, and politicians. Seeing all these forces clash together in one room in just six hours has been the most instructive display of confusing the issues perhaps since the OJ trial. Watching a live congressional hearing like this, it soon becomes clear that for them, the real priority isn't necessarily finding the truth, but rather showing who's really in charge here. The viewer begins to understand how autism could have gone from being unknown in 1978 to being a household word in just 22 years with so little fanfare. Without undue pessimism, the prospects for unbiased, objective scientific logic to prevail in deciding the future of MMR and DPT vaccines do not look bright. The mentality of the CDC and the NIH was well characterized in this videotape. The control of research and information by drug manufacturers was pervasive. Burton's co-chairman, Henry Waxman, did his best to divert attention from the issues to himself, to waste time on "points of order," and to prevent anyone who disagreed with him from being heard. Waxman's science champion, researcher Brent Taylor,MD, has recently had an article published in Lancet that supposedly shows no possible connection between vaccines and autism. Now Taylor has refused to provide his data for the study when repeatedly asked by other researchers, like Dr. Bernard Rimland. Such a request is standard, and researchers commonly share their data when requested, unless they have something to hide. Taylor's combination of fear and arrogance is characteristic of the way that research, and ultimately, decision-making on vaccines by the advisory committee. The researchers who have unlimited funding may 'prove' whatever they wish, get it published in the best journals, which are heavily advertised in by the drug companies, and then refuse to respond to valid objections, because they know that those opposing points of view will probably not be published. Despite these formidable obstacles, doubts are creeping into the overall public "consciousness" from many different directions about the safety of vaccines. At one in 500, the fact of autism as an epidemic can no longer be covered up. The work of Wakefield, O'Leary, and Megson is going to be very difficult to explain away. The massive advertising campaign about the safety of vaccines in the popular media, which is certain to be stepped up in the next few months, is going to look very hollow in the light of clean, unbiased research that is not funded by parties who stand to make billions from certain predetermined results. Author's note: Excerpted from forthcoming third edition of the Sanctity of Human Blood, New West, Publisher. References http://www.c-span.org . Government Reform Committee hearing on vaccines and autism, 6 Apr 2000, Chairman: Representative Dan Burton. Testimony before U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Government Reform, 6 Apr 2000: . Hirtz D, National Institutes of Health . Megson M, MD, American Academy of Pediatrics . Wakefield A, MD, Royal Free University College Medical School. . O'Leary J, PhD, Coomb's Women's Hospital, Dublin. . Singh V, PhD, Utah State University . Boyle C, MD, National Institutes of Health . Offit P, MD, University of Pennsylvania . Taylor B, MD, Royal Free University College Medical . Rimland B, PhD, Autism Research Institute, San Diego . Goldberg M, MD, NIDS Research Institute Reprints of testimony are available from the Office of Government Reform, Washington, DC (202) 225-2276 Videotape available from http://www.c-span.org Tim O'Shea San Jose, California Dawn Richardson PROVE(Parents Requesting Open Vaccine Education) prove@vaccineinfo.net (email) http://vaccineinfo.net/ (web site) PROVE provides information on vaccines, and immunization policies and practices that affect the children and adults of Texas. Our mission is to prevent vaccine injury and death and to promote and protect the right of every person to make informed independent vaccination decisions for themselves and their family. This information is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. Subscribe to PROVE Email Updates: Click here http://vaccineinfo.net//subscribe.htm Removal from PROVE Email Updates: Click here: http://vaccineinfo.net/unsubscribe.htm You are currently subscribed as pwatson@utdallas.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Hostettler Letter to HUD Secretary Martinez (fwd) Date: 21 Feb 2001 16:56:39 PST On Feb 21, davidwiz@erols.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Rep. Hostettler Leading the Charge to Repeal Clinton's Anti-gun Legacy -- Needs your help in getting HUD out of the gun control business Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org (Wednesday, February 21, 2001) -- Gun Owners of America is working with Rep. John Hostettler (R-IN) to strip former President Clinton of his anti-gun legacy. Hostettler is asking other legislators to join him in signing a letter that will ask the new Department of HUD Secretary Mel Martinez to disassemble the agency's Communities for Safer Guns Coalition -- a syndicate intended to encourage and assist anti-gun lawsuits around the country. All together, more than 30 cities and localities have brought their own suits against the gun makers. The impact -- and intent -- of these HUD-encouraged lawsuits is clear. Dade County Circuit Court Judge Amy Dean told Miami-Dade County attorneys suing the gun industry that if they were to get exactly what they wanted, guns would be "taken off the market entirely." (Reuters, 11/15/99) Even if the gun makers won every single harassment suit against them (and they have won virtually every single one), the costs of simultaneously defending themselves in multiple cities across the country could put many, if not all, of them out of business. ACTION: Please ask your Representative to join onto the Hostettler letter. Tell him you don't want your tax dollars continuing to go towards efforts that will tear down the Second Amendment. Urge him to do his part in getting HUD out of the gun control business. Please use the pre-written letter below to help direct your comments to Capitol Hill. You can call your Representative at 1-877-762-8762 (toll free) or at 202-225-3121. To identify your Representative, as well as to send a message via e-mail, see the Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm on the GOA website. ----- Pre-written letter ----- Dear Representative: Rep. John Hostettler (R-IN) will soon be sending a very important letter to Mel Martinez, the new secretary for the Department of Housing and Urban Development. I hope that you will join him in asking HUD to pull out of the misnamed Communities for Safer Guns Coalition. This group is assisting cities and localities all over the country to bring lawsuits against the gun makers of America. This is outrageous and is completely out of line with what Americans want. A Zogby poll last year found that 2/3 of the people say it's illegitimate to bring lawsuits against gun manufacturers or to hold them liable for the criminal misuse of guns. Please call the Hostettler office, ask him for a copy of the letter and then tell them you'll sign on. It's time to stop our tax dollars from going towards efforts that will tear down the Second Amendment. Thank you. Sincerely, ***************** The actual text of the Hostettler letter is at http://www.gunowners.org/hs0101.htm for those interested in reading it. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: The Florida Excuse (fwd) Date: 21 Feb 2001 16:55:37 PST On Feb 21, Kevin M. McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, 21 February, 2001 2:42 PM The Florida Excuse by Doug Newman dougnewman@juno.com February 11, 2001 http://www.geocities.com/fountoftruth/florida.html When I was in college at Arizona State, some of us tried to put out an alternative conservative newspaper similar to those on many other campuses. To make a long story short, the venture never got off the ground. However, one story will always remain with me. I was having coffee one morning with a partner in this venture, who read to me a headline about Soviet dissident Andrei Sakharov. He then asked me, "Doug, do you know how much Sakharov would ridicule us for not being able to make this thing happen?" He had a point. We were failing in America because of organizational ineptitude and plain old-fashioned whining. Soviet dissidents such as Sakharov, were succeeding in spite of the constant threat of being forced to board the next boxcar to the Gulag. When it comes to political participation, Americans are the world's biggest whiners and manufacturers of excuses. In dozens of countries around the world, people will dodge bullets in order to vote. Yet in America, where the opportunity to vote is the most widespread in the world, people will not dodge raindrops in order to vote. Now there is a movement afoot in the land to codify this chronic excuse-itis into law. In a recent column, Ben Wattenberg castigated the major broadcast networks for their recklessness on election night. He and others contend that, when the networks called Florida early in the evening for Al Gore, they prompted significant numbers of Republican voters to spare themselves the inconvenience of voting and stay home. Democratic victories in Senate races in Oregon and Washington have been attributed to this effect. In late November, Rep. Billy Tauzin (R.-La.) threatened to "hold hearings" to investigate the recklessness of the major news networks. Indeed, conservative syndicated talk show host Hugh Hewitt has put up a page devoted to "The Florida Effect." Proposed electoral reforms include not using exit polls to project the winners of close races, not projecting winners of states when the margin is one percent or less, and not projecting the winner of a state until all the polls are closed within that state. (It was 6:30 in the Florida Panhandle, when the networks called Florida for Gore. The polls would not close for another 90 minutes.) Conservatives love to talk about responsibility. They talk endlessly of the need for the poor to assume responsibility for improving their lot in life, of the need for "accountability" among teachers and schools, and of the importance traditional sexual mores and restraining our carnal appetites. Liberty, they tell us, implies the need for responsibility. But let an election be too close for comfort, and they start caterwauling like all the folks they routinely ridicule. White racism may not be to blame for the existence of a black underclass, and guns may not be to blame for Columbine. However, the blame for the closeness of the election may be placed squarely on ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN! As Yogi Berra once said, "It ain't over, 'til it's over." On a recent Saturday, I was watching a basketball game between my beloved Duke Blue Devils the University of Maryland Terrapins. With 55 seconds to play, Maryland led by 10 points, and everyone thought the game was, well, over. Except the Duke coaches and players. In the last 55 seconds, Duke scored 10 points, forced the game into overtime, and won. Sports fans make endless projections. However, games are played in their entirety regardless of projected outcomes. Why, then, do people assume that elections are over before the polls close? Just as I did not stop pulling for Duke, responsible citizens vote anyway until the polls close. In addition to presidents, we vote for senators, congressman, governors, mayors, school boards, mineshaft inspectors -- it's an elected position in Arizona -- and a host of other offices. Even though their presidential candidate may be a lost cause, they support that candidate anyway. Their other favorite candidates may well have a chance. Responsible citizens know the importance of voting. The problem lies with the millions of Americans who are just too plain dirt lazy to get out to the polls. No law can fix this. Some conservatives want to pander to them by blaming the networks for this non-voting and passing vacuous new laws. This is paternalistic feel-goodism at its worst. The always quotable columnist Vin Suprynowicz was especially quoteworthy when he said the following of the Florida election situation: "If 2,380 Bush supporters in the Florida panhandle really decided not to vote after hearing some guy on TV say he was 'projecting' Mr. Gore had won their state, they're a bunch of dolts. Generations of our forefathers fought and died to preserve Americans' right to cast a vote as they see fit, and these folks stayed home and watched 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' ... or the Ellie Mae Clampett Bib Overall Beauty Pageant and Gator Rassling Finals, or whatever it is they watch out west of Panama City ... because some guy on TV told them not to bother?" (Duke did not play that night. Again, no excuses.) Two hundred years ago, Samuel Adams had even better words for those who will not go to the slightest inconvenience to exercise those rights in defense of which so much blood has been spilled. "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." "Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle! Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857. -- Kort E Patterson http://www.overalltech.net/ http://www.hevanet.com/kort/ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Fwd: Int'l. Criminal Court - Radio Appearances Date: 24 Feb 2001 12:53:13 -0600 February 23, 2001 Congressman Ron Paul and/or I will discuss the International Criminal Court on the following radio programs: Monday, 2/26/01 at 11:06 a.m. ET, 10:06 a.m. CT WACV-AM 1170, Montgomery, Alabama Host: Don Markwell Monday, 2/26/01 at 11:00 p.m. ET, 10:00 p.m. CT, 8:00 p.m. PT Talk Radio Network Host: Roger Fredinburg Simulcast on Web site: www.talkradionetwork.com Tuesday, 2/27/01 at 8:10 a.m. ET, 7:10 a.m. CT WAAM-AM 1600, Detroit, Michigan Host: Dave Pekrul Wednesday, 2/28/01 at 10:00 p.m. ET, 7:00 p.m. PT KSFO-AM 560, San Francisco, California Host: Brian Wilson Simulcast on Web site: www.ksfo.com Thursday, 3/01/01 at 6:00 a.m. ET, 4:00 a.m. MT KOA-AM 850, Denver, Colorado Host: Rick Barber Simulcast on Web site: www.850koa.com Friday, 3/02/01 at 8:05 a.m. ET, 7:05 a.m. CT USA Radio Network Hosts: Al Lerner & Richard Stevens Simulcast on Web site: www.usaradio.com Monday, 3/05/01 at 3:00 p.m. ET, 2:00 p.m. CT VCY America Radio Network Host: Vic Eliason Simulcast on Web site: www.vcyamerica.org Saturday, 3/10/01 at 10:00 a.m. CT, 8:00 a.m. PT KSCO-AM 1080, Monterey, California Host: Barbra Alexander Simulcast on Web site: www.money-hotline.com Monday, 3/12/01 at 7:15 p.m. ET, 4:15 p.m. PT KKLA-FM 99.5, Los Angeles, California Host: Warren Duffy Simulcast on Web site: www.kkla.com Wednesday, 3/21/01 at 5:30 p.m. CT, 3:30 p.m. PT KPAY-AM 1290, Chico, California Host: Bruce Sessions. A list of these programs along with any short-notice additions or changes will be posted on our Web site. Kent Snyder The Liberty Committee http://www.thelibertycommittee.org -- Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Send this one around, it's a stunner. (fwd) Date: 24 Feb 2001 14:43:33 PST On Feb 24, Rich Martin wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I agree with DJ, this is unreal. If it were anyone except Bill Clinton I would have clicked on Delete, but he has such a terrible reputation you just can't tell for sure. Rich Martin Editor of Slick ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >From Agence France Presse Sunday: Fapai, a men's garments firm in Communist China, has offered Bill Clinton $2 million to be their "image ambassador." They made the offer last May while he was still President, They remade the offer after he left, and Mrs. Clinton, who was a Senator by this point, responded on his behalf, thanking them for the offer and saying they'd like to meet with the company to discuss it further. Is this unreal or what? DJ Cut out the middlemen. Send donations to: Boys Scouts of America National HQ 1329 Walnut Hill Ln. Irving, TX 75162 http://www.SaveOurScouts.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Parental Rights Under Police Attack (fwd) Date: 24 Feb 2001 15:30:11 PST On inv oralid,, Albert T. Viar wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Parental rights under police attack Twenty Years Ago Last Month, Our Nations Police Forces Paraded In Lock-Step To The Communist/Socialist/Globalist March For `Children's Rights' (More Police Powers Over "We, The People" Through More Police Control Over Our Children). January 11, 1981, was the beginning of the end for Parental Rights in America. In a typical Communist mobilization of the news media and Socialist associated Police personnel, what would have been an ordinary bludgeoning death of a child; an ordinary brutal murder of a child, was transformed into a national feeding frenzy in favor of more police controls on parents and their children. Globalist oriented child advocacy agencies joined the fray and assisted the police forces in "making law". When the police make the law which they then enforce, we have something known as a "Police State". The Communist/Socialist/Globalist march to emulate by law portions of the United Nations Convention On The Rights Of The Child had its beginnings in Quincy, Illinois through the wrongful social agitation of the Quincy Police Department, which spread like a plague throughout the entire United States. Nearly every State in America has passed legislation as a result, identical to, or resembling, the (MRAI Law) or the Minor Requiring Authoritative Intervention Law, which allows any child to "Run Away From Home with the assistance of the `Law Enforcement, `Child Advocacy Agencies' and the `Courts'. As a result of the brutal murder of young David Madden, and the ensuing mass hysteria of law enforcement throughout the nation, current child protection legislation was modified to permit indiscriminate misinterpretation of originally good law, and the Minor Requiring Authoritative Intervention law (MRAI) was born. This (MRAI) legislative monstrosity was fostered by coordinated, massive Police State pressure upon the Illinois Legislature and the Legislatures of other States. We have in our midst an organization called Department of Children and Family Services; Dept. of Human Services, to use the New World Order Terminology. These people arrive at your door and present an identification card and tell you that they have received a complaint. At this point, they will ask to see your children. If your children wish to harm you, a lie will do. You will be deprived of your children, arrested, required to post bail or face jail until a court hearing can be held, be denied liberty, justice, and your children, unless you can prove your innocence. There is also in place an inexcuseable situation where any child, even yours, can walk up to any police officer and say that he or she does not want to go home. The child will be taken into limited temporary custody and the parents will be called. The parents will be told that their child has refused to go home. If the child continues to refuse to go home, the parents will be asked to sign a paper authorizing the Department of Children and Family Services (DCFS) or (Human Services) to `give' the child a temporary foster home. When you say "No Way!", the agent for DCFS will tell you that if you continue to refuse to sign the paper, you will be taken before a judge, charged with child neglect, the child will be made a ward of the court, and then the judge will sign the paper authorizing a foster home. The child or children will be given a controlled foster home for 21 days where you will not be allowed to communicate with your child. The child will be given a hefty "Clothing Allowance" and "Spending Money". If, after the 21 days, the child still does not want to go home, the foster home is continued. This can result in the Court stealing from you your parental rights. My young son, Marcus Viar, was taken into bondage in 1993, in Quincy, Illinois, County of Adams, in the State of Illinois and "sold" into a foster home in Pike County, Illinois through the Seditious and unconstitutional MRAI law. I accused the court of sedition with the MRAI law and asked that the law be declared unconstitutional and be set aside and my son returned to me. I handed the Judge, Judge Woleyhan, a certified copy of the accusation during a court hearing on 93-J-192 and immediately after court, I filed, with the County Clerk, a certified copy of that accusation into 93-J-192. As a result of my continued protests to the court seeking the return of my son, Marcus Patrick Viar, the lawyers and judges of THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE EIGHTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT OF ILLINOIS, ADAMS COUNTY, have sealed the case file 93-J-192 and ordered it not to be opened by anything less than the Illinois Apellate Court. State Agencies receive approximately one million dollars per child they "Capture and Control." That is a large incentive for Social Services Agencies to funnel more children into the maw of the Globalist machine. Albert T. Viar, Father of Marcus Patrick Viar. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Knocking the testosterone out of US. (fwd) Date: 24 Feb 2001 15:31:41 PST On Feb 22, Rich Martin wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Knocking the testosterone out of US. This guy is on to something. We know the country has been being feminized. We know the feds have been having their way with our schools. We know students aren't being educated in the 3 R's. Could it be they are knocking the testosterone out of US? Rich Martin Editor of Slick ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ frdm2000@wi.net writes: << THOUGHTS on TREASON... NATHAN HALE, died as a patriot in our Revolutionary War, saying before his death, "I only regret that I have but one life to lose/give for my country." SIR JOHN HARRINGTON (1561-1612), "Treason doth never prospr; what's the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason." 1. ROBERT PHILIP HANSSEN, The "well-educated" spy for the Soviet Union/Russia for the last 15 years has betrayed his country, the USA. 2. MARCUS RICH, an "American/international" fugitive pardoned by the impeached-president roams wild in the world betraying his country, the U.S.A. with great gifts to the ex-impeached president, Clinton. 3. UNITED NATIONS- The U.S. and its official bodies in Washington,D.C. have been turning over our political, economic, judicial sovereignty to the United Nations which is the global atheist/socialist bureaucracy. 4. THE IMPEACHED-PRESIDENT CLINTON-Obviously received millions in Communist Chinese money to influence his/Democrat election in 2000. Remember the Clinton scandals with American technology transferred to the Chinese Communists without permission from Congress. 5. THE PANAMA CANAL-was given away the first time in 1979 by the Carter Administration and the Democrat-controlled US Senate which is now a base for the Chinese Communists that facilitate ports on both ends. Reflection, as a now-retired American History teacher/and Constitutionalist: I wonder if the "dumbed-down" patriotism of our even "educated" citizenry has created generations that put the U. S.A. last over globalist interests and further know not the sacrifices of our many heroic Americans who died fighting to defend our country's name and freedoms. Has the national, individual character become rotten from within due to cowardice partnered with ignorance learned in government schools in our present times? Yes One further wonders about the political phrase by both parties when justice is mocked and our nation even threatened with, "Let's put this behind us." Well, that is what Clinton said about Vince Foster's death and President George W Bush said about the trashing of our White House by the elected gangsters, the Clintons. That is a wrong way. Things should be put behind us only when justice has been honored in a nation that prattles, but does not believe, "we are a nation of law and Constitution." One further wonders, what the impeached-president Clinton would do in the present Hanssen spy case that has compromised American liberty? Would he pardon this traitor? Maybe. It seems to me we have done too much "moving on" without holding those who have done grave wrongs accountable. It is time that those who sell out their country easily through money or ignorance should be held to the principles of justice like those who work/pay taxes/fight for their country when asked/appreciate the only nation on earth where freedom is taken seriously by many. One more time, the failure to teach our countries great achievements, sacrifices, and a culture blessed by God (before abortion and the general corruption of the present) leaves our students and later adults adrift in a world culture of selfishness/materialism/secularism. Generations of American students "educated" in government schools where nobleness /sacrifice is mocked share in the culpability of the decline of the American nation. >> Cut out the middlemen. Send donations to: Boys Scouts of America National HQ 1329 Walnut Hill Ln. Irving, TX 75162 http://www.SaveOurScouts.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The liberal 10 commandments (fwd) Date: 24 Feb 2001 15:34:00 PST On Feb 23, Jim Zoes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://www.worldnetdaily.com/letters.asp TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 20, 2001 The liberal Ten Commandments Liberals haven't exactly dumped the Ten Commandments. They've just replaced ancient wisdom with more evolved moral rules. Let's enjoy liberals' Ten Happy Dictates: 1. You are your own god; you shall not have any other god before yourself. (But remember, your little deity exists to serve latte, safe sex and progressive government.) 2. You shall not take the names of Darwin, Marx, Mao, Roosevelt or Clinton in vain. (But do mock the names of Christ, Solzhenitsyn, John Paul II, Reagan and Starr.) 3. Remember to keep holy Earth Day, National Coming Out Day and May Day. (But do plan other activities for the Sabbath, Boy Scout Day or Chris er, Xmas.) 4. Honor your Mother Earth and her non-human life. (But get over your love affair with unevolved humans, such as crotchety parents, parasitic children and religious zealots.) 5. You shall not kill loudly or for hate, but do it quietly for love of our Earth, starting with helpless infants, old people, and others who can't resist. (But do not stop with them, once you see that you too have become a burden for our Earth.) 6. You shall not commit "adultery," but call it following your bliss or being grown-up, and be a slave to any craving to use others for thrills, whatever it costs you, them, your spouse, children or bourgeois society. (But do not try self-restraint, which might convince you that you really can be a grown-up, and be master of your cravings or your political destiny.) 7. You shall not steal from us liberals, but do as we do by taking from your own grandchildren and bourgeois taxpayers and businesses, since they deserve nothing we do not give. (But do not complain when we raise your taxes, for Darwin says that the goods of this Earth belong to those who are fit enough to take them.) 8. You shall not lie timidly, but do it boldly and glibly, telling the weak-minded that truth is an illusion, spinning plain facts into shades of gray, and using double standards to absolve liberals while condemning conservatives. (But woe unto you who forget the eternal truth that, as sure as the sun rises, you live to serve progressive government.) 9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife without acting on your envy, but help us to disarm him and corrupt her to get your way. (But do not feel guilty for any suffering you cause others, for Mao says that power belongs only to those who have no scruples about using it.) 10. You shall not covet your neighbor's house if he is a liberal, but whisper to the IRS, Social Services or a judge that he doesn't conform to our views, and we'll let you grab some of his stuff. (But do not covet your neighbor's incorrect attitude, for diversity from our views is intolerable.) kerwinners [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: A response to "Big guns at the NRA" (fwd) Date: 24 Feb 2001 15:35:00 PST On Feb 23, Jim Zoes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Concerning you article "Big guns at the NRA put entire nation in harm's way with the the big lie" found at http://web.timesleader.com/content/leader/2001/02/17/oped/QUARTSAT.htm Science fiction author and Libertarian L. Neil Smith wrote an essay last year to discuss people like you. It's title is "Murder by Gun Control" and can be found at http://www.webleyweb.com/tle/libe68-20000331-07.html Let me paste in the few excerps: Murder by Gun Control by L. Neil Smith lneil@ezlink.com Why is everybody being so damned polite? No sane individual living in the last days of the 20th century would knowingly welcome Nazis, the KGB, the Khmer Rouge, the ATF, or the FBI into their homes. We've learned too much from what happened to Jews in Germany, Kulaks in Russia, "landlords" in China, everybody in Cambodia, and victims of state terrorism at Ruby Ridge and Waco. But let the Jackbooted Thugs' Ladies' Auxiliary slap on makeup and broomstick skirts, let them prattle in squeaky little girl voices and breathe their vegetarian breath all over us, and for some reason we think we have to ask them in and offer them chamomile tea. Well, to hell with that. I used to give a lecture at the local university that began like this: "Until this morning you could plead ignorance for positions you take or fail to take on the moral and political issues of the day. When you leave this classroom an hour from now, having heard the facts I'm about to present, it'll either be as a brand new libertarian, or as a fully self-aware fascist monster." Today I say the same to politicians, bureaucrats, cops, Handgun Control, Inc., Colorado Governor Bill Owens, and those so miserably lacking in originality that they had to plagiarize Louis Farrakan (of all people) and launch a "Million Moms March". Also, anybody else who thinks it's morally acceptable to use the hired guns of government to take everybody else's guns away. Gun control may have felt like a nice, warm, fuzzy idea to its advocates back in the 1960s. However today, owing to a great deal of serious legal and historical scholarship -- and a series of horrifying but highly educational events -- anyone who wishes to violate the fundamental covenant on which this nation is based, by attempting to outlaw personal weapons, has to get past three extremely inconvenient but absolutely incontrovertible facts. (1) Every year, in this nation of more than a quarter billion individuals, a few thousand (three quarters of them suicides) are killed with firearms, while _millions_ of Americans successfully use personal weapons to save themselves and others from injury or death. Guns save many, many times more lives than they take. (2) In every jurisdiction that has made it even microscopically easier for individuals to carry weapons, violent crime rates have plummeted by double-digit percentages. Vermont, where no permission of any kind is required to carry a gun, is named in many respectable surveys as the safest state to live in. (3) More telling and urgent, every episode of genocidal mass murder in history has been preceded by a period of intense disarming of the civil population, usually with "public safety" or "national security" as an excuse. According to Amnesty International -- hardly a gang of right wing crazies -- in the 20th century alone (in events entirely separate from war), governments have slaughtered more than a hundred million people, usually their own citizens. The U.S. is far from immune. Look up "Operation Keelhaul". ... Let's ask some questions that everybody on my side's been too polite -- too damned polite -- to ask before. What kind of mind would sacrifice millions for the sake of a few thousands, especially when it's been demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that victim disarmament can't save even those thousands? What kind of mind wants a return to mean streets and ever-soaring crime rates? What kind of mind collaborates with agents of mass murder and genocide? Make no mistake: you victim disarmament types are sick, sick people, in the words of T.D. Melrose, who'd rather see a woman raped in an alley and strangled with her own pantyhose than see her with a gun in her hand. You're people, down deep in your blackened, shriveled souls, who wait like vultures, secretly delighted whenever atrocities like the Columbine shootings occur -- atrocities whose only significance to you is their usefulness in advancing your political agenda. Dancing in the blood of innocents, just like the lying, thieving, murdering rapist you've sent to the White House twice in a row. You're people who, like German voters in the 1930s, have empowered and unleashed on your decent and unsuspecting neighbors the most evil and violent terrorist bureaucracy in American history. You're people, in short, who must be stupid, insane, or evil to continue arguing -- in the face of indisputable facts and irrefutable logic -- that others must be forced into a state of helplessness and victimized by individual criminals or the state. Stupid, insane, or evil. End excerpts That's the question I kept asking, Mr. Quarteroni, as I read your article. Stupid, insane, or evil? The stupids support gun control because they are unable to understand the endgame of what happens when a government turns tyranical and the people are disarmed. They have no idea how Hitler and Stalin used the gun control laws to precipitate the death camps and the Gulags. Try as we might, the stupids just don't get it, even after presenting them tyranny's score card of the 20th Century. Go to http://www.jpfo.org/L-laws.htm and see which laws the author of Mein Kampf used to drag 6 million jews to the death camps. By the way, this chart is incomplete. It's missing Rawanda and Sierra Leon. The insane include those who know that gun control does not work, or who know from history that innocent people are murdered by their governments. Yet they think that *this* time, gun control won't result in a tyranical government comming to power with the monopoly of violence -- or the Gulags. Or criminals preying on the rest of us with impunity. After all, is it not insanity to continue to advocate something that has bad consequences? Then there is the class of people that are evil. I'm sure you understand the nature of this appellation. After all you used it to slander the 4.5 members of the National Rifle Association -- of which I am one. Evil people do things in the full knowledge of, and with the cold blooded intention of, achieving an evil outcome -- like the murder of millions of your fellow citizens sometime in the future after you have disarmed them. By every account, Hitler was evil. He certainly did what he promised when he wrote Mein Kampf. I certainly do not consider myself or my fellow NRA members evil just because we intend to stop you from turning us into disarmed victims. So, Mr. Quarteroni; which are you: Stupid, Insane, or Evil? Jim Zoes Woodstock, IL [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: IBT vs. JBT (fwd) Date: 25 Feb 2001 14:36:15 PST On Feb 24, Margi Crook wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] For you Sue, >From Jon Roland - he explains how you can be an independent contractor. Cliff, do you want this subject closed? :-) Margi [Lis-LEAF] Re: Worden, the IBT, and the cause of liberty Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:35:32 -0800 From: Jon Roland To: Carl Worden "What we have here is a failure to communicate." It is important in commenting on events of constitutional import that one not appear to justify the unconstitutional actions of officials or their agents, and although Carl Worden has explained his original message as not intending to do that, it certainly read that way to me. The Indianapolis Baptist Temple (IBT) is a critical test case for the cause of liberty. Worden's position seems to be that of realism: If a truck runs a light and over you, then flees the scene, it doesn't help you much to claim you were crossing with the light in a designated crosswalk. You needed to have watched for illegally operated vehicles and taken evasive action, if possible, and not just stood there arguing that you had a right to be there doing what you were doing. As a tactical policy, the above statement is certainly valid, for crossing a street at a particular time, since one can always cross a few moments later when it is safer. It becomes another matter when you are boxed in to a tactically unsustainable position from which you have to leave to meet vital needs, and you are subject to attack at every exit. We can agree that even by the feds' own tax "code", the IBT workers were either grant recipients, undistinguishable in their situations from anyone else who receives grants for community service work, or independent contractors, and therefore not liable for an "income tax". As it happens, to protect the church, they filed and paid their "taxes" anyway, were audited, and found to owe nothing further. The church was sued for failing to collect withholding, even though the "taxes" had been paid, and even though there is no law requiring any "employer" to withhold taxes from anybody. It has been argued that it was incidental that the "employer" in this case happened to be a church. Sorry, but I don't buy that. The IBT was clearly targeted for special treatment, and we have to ask why. It wasn't just because the feds wanted to make an example of an "employer". It was because they wanted to make an example of a church, because churches are among the last remaining holdouts against government control, and tyranny can't stand having any potential source of opposition beyond their control. The solution is for churches, and people generally, to not become attached to money or property, or compromise any principled positions because of fear of the loss of it. We all have to learn to operate without it, or else create our own for our private use. But the need to do that will strengthen us. Walls do not a church make. It is important to understand the motivation of tyranny. I recommend (re-)reading Orwell's 1984, which we have online. Power is an addictive drug. Tyrants are characterized by two linked attributes: a deep sense of insecurity that feels threatened by anything they don't control, and a tendency to overestimate the degree and kind of control that they can exercise over events, leading them to seek to exercise control that is impossible to achieve, but which they will mindlessly continue to pursue anyway. We can assume it is not a coincidence that the IBT church building is seized at about the same time GWB announces a plan to federally fund "faith-based" community service activities, thereby seeking to bring them under federal control, if only by putting their agents into every church, something they already do, but intend to expand. Infiltrate and control potential centers of resistance. Disarm the population. Erode civil liberties. Corrupt the courts. Suppress independent suppliers of opiates, leaving the elites with a monopoly. Make fiat money an opiate on which the majority of the population depends. Control the media. We've seen it all before. Nothing new about any of this. Forget invasion by foreign forces -- we are already being invaded by our own -- and we the constitutional militia are the last hope for freedom in not only this country but the world. The technology of tyranny may make it impossible for freedom to ever arise again if we don't stop tyranny now. Spread the word. --Jon =================================================================== Constitution Society, 1731 Howe Av #370, Sacramento, CA 95825 916/568-1022, 916/450-7941VM Date: 02/24/01 Time: 11:42:10 http://www.constitution.org/ mailto:jon.roland@constitution.org ================================================ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: URGENT: Texas needs your support (fwd) Date: 25 Feb 2001 14:38:30 PST On Feb 25, Charles Nawrocki wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] This is a very URGENT message. Please Read./// >From: "Rev. Curt Tomlin" >Organization: The Christian Alert Network (TCAN) >To: "TCAN Alert Net 6" >Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:26:26 -0600 >Subject: Texas needs your support >Reply-to: "TCAN" > >TEXAS NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT AND PARTICIPATION > >Subject: The Texas Project to"Restore, Protect, Preserve, and >Enforce the Constitution of the United States." > >On Friday, 23 February 2001, I personally delivered a four page >letter with three enclosures, to each of the 150 individual Texas >State Representatives at the State Capitol in Austin Texas. > >On Wednesday, 28 February, the same documentation packet will >also be personally delivered to each individual Texas State Senator, >at the State Capitol in Austin Texas. > >In addition to the four page cover letter, the documentation packet >contained the following enclosures: > >Enclosure # 1: Three pages of specific examples as to why the two >proposed bills are URGENTLY needed. > >Enclosure # 2: Bill # 1: "TO INVESTIGATE THE LEGALITY OF >THE ACTION OF FEDERAL AGENTS WITH REGARD TO >THE UNITED NATIONS ORGANIZATION." > >Enclosure # 3: Bill # 2: "TO PROVIDE FOR THE >ENFORCEMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED >STATES WITH REGARD TO THE SO-CALLED UNITED >NATIONS ORGANIZATION." > >The above document packet is posted in full on the TCAN website >at: http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin/a101.htm > >As each Texas Representative responds to this action (if they do >indeed respond) that response will be posted, in its entirety, at the >bottom of the above webpage in the order the response is received. >If a TCAN reply to that response is warranted, our reply will be >appended to the bottom of the official's response. > >I have done all that I can do to get this urgent matter before each of >the Texas State Representatives and Senators .... now we need >"your" individual support. We need to let them know that ALL >freedom loving American are waiting for them to individually >demonstrate their loyalty to American Sovereignty by their >response to this action. > >No matter what state you live in, we need your participation as >follows: > >Non Texas Residents: Immediately send Texas Representative >Dianne Delisi an Email message urging her to introduce and >support the two proposed bills. Her Email address is > "Delisi, Dianne White" >You may also telephone her office in Austin Texas at > 512-463-0630, if you want to. > >Texas Residents: I will be meeting with Representative Delisi on >Wednesday 28 February at 3:00pm to discuss this matter with her. >We need ALL Texas citizens to immediately send Ms Delisi an >email message at: > "Delisi, Dianne White" >urging her to introduce and support the two proposed bills. >ALSO please telephone her office in Austin at 512-463-0630 on >Monday 26 Feb, Tuesday 27 Feb and Wednesday morning 28 Feb >and urge her to introduce and support the two bills. > >Please visit the TCAN webpage at > http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin/a101.htm >and read the documents referred to above. > >Your support and participation is appreciated. > >Rev. "Curt" Tomlin >President >The Christian Alert Network,Inc. >POB 11746 >Killeen, Tx 76547-1746 >Ph: 254-628-7043 >Fax: 254-628-7894 >Web Site: http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: GUN RIGHTS ASSAULT (fwd) Date: 25 Feb 2001 14:39:31 PST On Feb 25, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Something to think about. :) Ken ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:24 AM > From: Rogrocks69@aol.com > > GUN RIGHTS ASSAULT: In the last election, most of America's gun owners > proved that they were disinterested in preserving their Second Amendment > rights, so the gun banners in Congress are back to their old tricks. Gun > owners disinterested in preserving their rights? Apparently. Consider: > There are about 80 million gun owners in this country. George W. Bush got > about 50 million votes, and all the third party candidates less than 5 > million votes combined. So even if every one of Bush's and the others > votes came from a gun owner, that leaves at least 25 million (probably more > like 40 or 50 million) gun owners who either voted for Gore, or didn't > bother to vote at all. With 25 million more votes for Bush, we wouldn't > have been arguing over a few hundred votes in Florida, and wouldn't have > to listen to yapping from the left about how Gore "really won" the > election. But 25 million, or more, gun owners didn't bother to vote, or > voted for Gore. So let's hear no self-serving blather from gun owners > about how their rights are being stolen -- gun owners themselves are > giving their rights away. Following are some of the bills that have > already been submitted in Congress, and Roll Call reports that John McCain > is collaborating with Joe Lieberman on another bill to further undermine > the Second Amendment. If this is true, it appears that McCain's respect > for the Second Amendment is as weak as his respect for the First > Amendment. No wonder he wants campaign finance reform, and spending > restrictions in order to silence independent groups that would reveal his > collaboration with the totalitarian, gun-grabbing left. > > H.R.278: Gun Buy Back Partnership Grant Act of 2001 (Kennedy, D-RI): money > for gun buy back programs. > > H.R.70: Child Gun Safety and Gun Access Prevention Act of 2001 > (Jackson-Lee, D-TX): to prevent children's access to firearms. > > H.R.225: Anti-Gunrunning Act of 2001 (Wexler, D-FL; Nadler, D-NY; Moran, > D-VA): to prevent illegal commerce in handguns. > > H.R.408: Gun Ballistics Safety Act of 2001 (Andrews, D-NJ): for a national > database of ballistics information about firearms. > > H.R.423: Gun Retrieval to Build Safer Communities Act (Becerra, D-CA): to > allow a tax credit for the value of firearms turned in to local law > enforcement agencies. > > S.16: 21st Century Law Enforcement, Crime Prevention, and Victims > Assistance Act (Daschle, D-SD): funding for additional federal, state, and > local gun prosecutors and gun enforcement teams; youth Crime Gun > Interdiction Initiative; extension of Brady background checks to gun shows. > > H.R.422: Bullet Tracing Act To Reduce Gun Violence (Becerra, D-CA): > ballistics testing of the firearms that are most commonly used in crime for > the purpose of curbing the use of firearms in crime. > > H.R.255: Safer America For Everyone's Children (SAFE Children) Act > (Gilman, R-NY): federal funds for gun buyback programs, school violence > initiatives, and child care during non-school hours. > > H.R.499: To amend the Consumer Product Safety Act (Engel, D-NY; Markey > (D-MA): to confirm the Consumer Product Safety Commission's jurisdiction > over child safety devices for handguns. > > S.25: Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2001 (Feinstein, D-CA; > Schumer, D-NY; and Boxer, D-CA): a system of licensing for purchasers of > firearms and a record of sale system for those firearms. > > Set against those 10 bills, a mere 3 have been proposed to protect the > right to keep and bear arms: > > H.R.31: Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2001 (Bartlett, R-MD): to protect > the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense > of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right. > > H.R.507: Child Safety and Home Security Act of 2001 (Hilleary, R-TN): a > tax credit to buy a residential safe storage device for the safe storage of > firearms. > > H.R.123: Firearms Heritage Protection Act of 2001 (Barr, R-GA): to > prohibit civil liability actions against firearms or ammunition > manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers for the misuse of their > products by others. > > > Roger Johnson [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Gun Humor P.O.'s Canadian Cops (Barniskis) (fwd) Date: 25 Feb 2001 14:40:55 PST On Feb 25, Huck wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Just for grins. :) Ken ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 10:27 AM > From: GunOwnersNJ@aol.com > Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:02:00 EST > Subject: Gun Humor P.O.'s Canadian Cops (Barniskis) > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > > Friends: > > Eventually it will have to be illegal to THINK about weapons, so > enjoy this while you can. . . ;-) > > --Andy > > -------------------- > > > The following article from a Canadian newspaper caused me to > grin a little as I imagined the mischief one might be able > to provoke with such an item. The Canadian gun owners are > getting more militant than I had previously believed > possible. I doubt I would put one of these in my back > window, but then I'm just a whimp anyway.:-) > -- > Keep Smilin' > Fred > > Cogito, ergo armaro. > ===================================================== > Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 07:30:43 -0500 > From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" > Subject: COPS TAKE SHOTS AT GUN STICKERS > > PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun > DATE: 2001.02.23 > SECTION: News > PAGE: 26 > SOURCE: Sun Media > BYLINE: Peter Smith > DATELINE: Calgary > KEYWORDS: Weapon; Alberta > > - > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > COPS TAKE SHOTS AT GUN STICKERS; COULD CAUSE 'ALL KINDS OF > GRIEF' > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Psssst! Wanna buy a sawed-off shotgun? > > Or, better still, a Thompson machine-. > > Or how about a top-of-the-line M-16 with an attached > grenade-launcher. > > If so, there's a man you need to meet. He can give you the > feeling of power of owning any one of these deadly weapons, > and it won't cost you too much. > > Calgarian Aires da Cruz has designed the next best thing - > full-size, full-colour stickers depicting these guns which > motorists can stick across the back window of their pickup > trucks. > > "From even a few metres away they look like the real thing," > he said. > > "The sawed-off shotgun has tape around the butt, and they > look very realistic." > > Da Cruz is expecting to fix the first 30 "lethal-weapon" > stickers on trucks tomorrow and is hoping they'll catch on > so everyone will want one. > > City police aren't nearly so excited. > > "Someone with one of these stickers might well find himself > being taken down by police at gunpoint, if officers think > (the) is on display," said Insp. Keith Pollock. > > Da Cruz said he'd spoken with police about his planned > stickers and was told they aren't illegal. > > But officers are worried they could cause confusion - not to > mention blocking a driver's vision and causing a traffic > hazard. > > "Someone with a sticker like that could find himself with > all kinds of grief," said Insp. Peter Jackson. > > But da Cruz has great faith that Calgary's finest will > realize what's going on and see the stickers for what they > are. > > Moderator note: Sorry I could not resist, but how are the > cops gonna make this, "stick"? IRP [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: So send her some - I did (fwd) Date: 25 Feb 2001 14:43:19 PST On Feb 25, Mike Ryan wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Stories of guns that do good are simply too few and far between By Laura Berman / The Detroit News The case of Marshall Mathers III, also known as Eminem, presents = one more failed argument for the value of concealed weapon permits.=20 As Macomb County's most famous resident, he applied in late 1999 for = a CCW permit -- and won approval from the county gun board. Members were = impressed at the time by the rapper's politeness and humility, says Carl = Marlinga, Macomb County prosecutor.=20 Eminem met the county's requirements for a concealed gun permit. No = criminal record. Model citizen, more or less.=20 But after deciding he needed to carry a gun, Eminem's clean record = turned shady. He failed to complete the county's required safety = training course, and so didn't qualify for the permit.=20 Then he carried the gun anyhow. Wound up brandishing his weapon at a = man in a Warren parking lot just a few months later.=20 Mathers pleaded guilty to carrying a weapon without a permit last = week.=20 About the same time, I sat in a church full of mourners for Sherlyn = Fleming, a retired police officer who died in a Detroit dry-cleaners. = She was courageous, tragically so.=20 Gun advocates love to suggest that law-abiding citizens can protect = themselves and their families with guns. Fleming had the qualifications = to defend herself and others. She was a public safety educator with a = 25-year career in law enforcement, carrying a legal weapon.=20 Ultimately, though, a thug in a ski mask who cared little about human = life dispensed with hers. Her family and hundreds of friends mourn her.=20 On her own, without any backup, Fleming's quick-witted attempt to = intervene in a dangerous situation ultimately inflamed it.=20 So it goes: The stories of guns -- legal or otherwise -- hurting = people are abundant: They're the stuff of everyday news briefs, not = headlines.=20 On Monday mornings, we read the tales of men, angry at their = estranged spouses, who turned guns on their families and themselves.=20 In Michigan, a law scheduled to take effect July 1 will transform = Metro Detroit's already trigger-happy landscape.=20 Unless a referendum petition drive places the issue on a statewide = ballot, we're bound to see more guns creating more problems.=20 Eminem thought a gun would help protect him from angry fans. He = worried that "his use of emotionally charged lyrics might create an aura = of violence," recalls Marlinga. Instead, his gun became a dangerous = accessory to his own emotionally charged life.=20 While thinking and writing about this issue, I've been asking friends = and correspondents for months to cite examples of guns doing good.=20 I can tell you about the neighbor whose 15-year-old daughter was = paralyzed by a friend goofing around with a gun. The horror stories are = easy.=20 So many people insist their lives are safer because they own guns. = Where, then, are the stories of guns doing good?=20 If guns do save lives and protect families, fill me in.=20 If carrying a legal weapon has improved your life in a demonstrable = way, share your story.=20 I'm still waiting to hear the story about a gun that has a happy = ending.=20 Laura Berman's column runs Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday in Metro. Reach = her at lberman@detnews.com.=20 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Marine Corps Times reports on secret weapon program (fwd) Date: 25 Feb 2001 14:44:51 PST On Feb 24, Steve Moser wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] http://www.marinetimes.com/stories/mar_story_229238.html Marine Corps Times reports on secret weapon program The Marine Corps is preparing to unveil perhaps the biggest breakthrough in weapons since the atomic bomb - a nonlethal weapon that fires directed energy at human targets. In an exclusive, copyrighted story that appears on newsstands Monday, Marine Corps Times reports that the weapon, called the Vehicle-Mounted Active Denial System is designed to stop an individual in his tracks and make him turn and flee. The Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate in Quantico, Va., had planned to unveil the technology in April after briefing Marine Commandant Gen. James Jones, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Michael Ryan and senior Defense Department civilians, still not appointed. But plans were accelerated and much of the program declassified after Marine Corps Times learned of the story. Plans now call for an unveiling and demonstration for military and congressional leaders in March at Kirtland Air Force Base, N.M. The VMADS project is co-sponsored by the Marine Corps and the Air Force, which has conducted much of the research and development. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Joe 6pk ordered to undergo a mental exam (fwd) Date: 25 Feb 2001 16:24:36 PST On Feb 25, dkuehne@erols.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Shannon is right: "The Constitution itself is dead." As far as I am concerned, America is dead too. If they can do this to Joe, they can do this to anyone. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * America, Rest In Peace: July 4, 1776 to February 23, 2001 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- forwarded message --- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:15 From: "Shannon" Dear List's, Today was a sad day for freedom and liberty in our land. My husband has been ordered to undergo a mental exam, based on an altered e-mail and his association with gun's and fellow gun owners. Despite the order, I know him to be quite sane! He loves his country and seeks to save it. I will save the Judge and Generals accusations and comments until all of this is over. My husband handled himself well on the stand. Myself and our supporters were quite proud of him! Even one officer shook his hand and stated he was an NRA member and we all need to keep our gun's.His next hearing will be April 16th. Though I fear for his safety, I know God and all of you are watching! Besides letting you know he is OK, I write this as a caution for you. Please be aware of the following: 1. Your electronic mail can be added to and used against you in a court. There is no free speech. 2. Belonging to a gun organization, owning a weapon, or even associating with those Citizens who do, is considered a danger to tyrants. It can be used against you in court. 3. Those who speak about the failure of the 16th amendment to be lawfully ratified are correct. However, those first 10 amendment's that were, are no longer valid either. The Constitution itself is dead, until "We the People" unite to "Restore The Republic"! My husband has put his life on the line and his liberty in danger, many times for all Amer I CAN;s. I am proud of him! Will you heed the call and stand by his side? God bless you and God bless America, Mrs. Joe Burton (Shannon) Donations may be sent to: Joe Burton (joe 6pk Amer I CAN) c/o 2081 East Wolf Valley Road Clinton, Tennessee state (37716) PS Feel free to forward unaltered and keep us in your prayers. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Internet Legal Resources (fwd) Date: 26 Feb 2001 12:31:54 PST On Feb 26, Charles Nawrocki wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >This may be a useful list for you.///////// > >Ken Townsend >Ktownsend@eprod.com > > >From: Email41@aol.com [mailto:Email41@aol.com] >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 5:09 PM >To: KTownsend@eprod.com >Subject: Internet Resources > > >One of my fellow researchers sent a reasonably comprehensive list of >Internet-based resources. > >Legal Resources on the Web > >FindLaw: http://my.findlaw.com/ > >US Supremes: http://www.findlaw.com/casecode/supreme.html > >US Code: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ > >US Tax Court: http://www.ustaxcourt.gov/ustcweb.htm > >UCC: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uniform/ucc.html > >Bouvier's [1856]: http://users.netonecom.net/~gwood/TLP/ref/maxims.htm > >CFR: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/index.html > >Duke Legal Ethics: >http://www.law.duke.edu/lib/libser/publicat/researchGuides/ethics/ethics.htm >l > > >Folio Controls: http://www2.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/FOLIOCGI.EXE > >Global Legal Info Net: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/law/GLINv1/GLIN.html > >LawOnline: http://www.lawsonline.com/ > >IR Manual: >http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/prod/bus_info/tax_pro/irm-part/index.html > >IRS Restructuring & Reform Act of 1998: >http://pmstax.com/gen/bull9808.shtml > >Lexis-Nexis: http://www.lexis-nexis.com/lncc/ > >Library of Congress: http://www.loc.gov/ > >Lectric Law: http://www.lectlaw.com/search.html > >MODEL CODE OF JUDICIAL CONDUCT: >http://www.naalj.org/my%20site/mcjcsalj.htm > >Law Guru: http://www.lawguru.com/multisearch/multimenu.html > >Legal Ethics.com: http://www.legalethics.com/index.law > >National Law Library: http://www.itislaw.com/affiwelc.htm > >New York Law Journal: http://www.nylj.com/ > >Vanderbilt [Statutes at Large]: >http://www.vanderbilt.edu/Law/library/research.html > >Thurgood Marshall: http://www.law.umaryland.edu/Marshall/ > >Tuft's: http://fletcher.tufts.edu/ > >US Government Printing Office: http://www.gpo.gov/ > >UN Treaty Collection: http://untreaty.un.org/ > >US Attorney's Manual: >http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/ > >Versus Law: http://www.versuslaw.com/ > >West Group: http://www.westgroup.com/ > >Yale: http://www.yale.edu/ > >ABA: http://www.abanet.org/ > >American Law Institute: http://www.ali.org/ > >Martindale-Hubbell: http://www.martindale.com/locator/home.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Watson Subject: 2-28: 8th Anniversary BATF Waco Raid (fwd) Date: 27 Feb 2001 08:36:26 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- MDLP-Announce , LP-DC Announce Wednesday, February 28, 5:30-6:30 PM Vigil at the White House on the 8th Anniversary of BATF's raid on the Branch Davidians. Request for George Bush to pardon the Davidian prisoners. We must never forget that David Koresh came to the front door to try to talk and would have accepted a search warrant had BATF agents offered one--instead they shot him, and killed six Davidians before the day was done. So much for the Bill of Rights and all other basic liberties in America. This Sunday Kevin Whitecliff called me. He is one of seven Davidian Prisoners now serving 15 years in federal prison--cut from 40 years by the Supreme Court last June! Five were convicted of aiding and abetting voluntary manslaughter and, mistakenly, of weapons charges tied to murder charges, of which they were aquitted. Two were found guilty of weapons charges based on no or flawed evidence. I asked Kevin if he was considering applying for a pardon, or at least clemency, from President George Bush. He said he was considering it, but wasn't optimistic that Bush would grant it. I said it would help if some big organization like Judicial Watch or the Libertarian Party, or some well known individual could really spearhead a pardon effort. He said, "How about Charlton Heston? He said they'll have to pry his gun from cold dead hands! He's so cool -- it was watching him as a kid playing Moses that really got me into all this, you know, religion, God." Well, I know know if Moses or Charleton Heston is going to come down from the Mountains to save the Davidians from another five years in prison (assuming time off for good behavior). But I do know that those of us out here should at least keep reminding Bush that they deserve a pardon, as we wait for some one to organize a more formal effort and encourage the Davidians to ask for such pardon or clemency. The best thing to do is to write President George W. Bush, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washigton, DC 20500 Or call 202-456-1414. Or Fax 202-456-2461 Or e-mail president@whitehouse.gov To write the Davidians or get more information go to: http://www.carolmoore.net/waco-prisoners.html The Davidian Survivors page http://start.at/mt.carmel Carol Moore carol@carolmoore.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: "A Patch of Green in A Field of Blue" (fwd) Date: 27 Feb 2001 10:09:28 PST On Feb 26, Archibald Bard wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] To download the Song, go to: http://www.mikenew.com/ballad.html "A Patch of Green in A Field of Blue: The Ballad of Michael New" A Young man joined the service Thought he'd do his part. He loved his "Country under God" Was true to his own heart. He knew he'd get an education, discipline and growth He had no hesitation when he gave his solemn oath. He gave a solemn oath! Chorus To my God and Country! From now until the end It's the Constitution I swear I will defend! "Foreign or Domestic", these last three words ring true! I'm defending my country, my name is Michael New My name is Michael New! In uniform, across the sea, on soil in foreign lands With dedication, honesty, keen eyes and steady hands Fulfilling every duty with patriotic love Until the day an order came from officers above From his officers above! The color of the Army is a military green But the uniform they gave to him Was like one he'd never seen The shoulder bore a U.N. patch A distinctive shade of blue "No oath to a Charter! To my Country I'll be true!" "To my Country I'll be true!" Chorus On Tuesday morn, October 10th, inspection of the men by Finland's General Ingstrom. He had to look again! The traitorous eyes of officers looked down at Michael New A SINGLE patch of green in a endless sea of blue! Chorus Archibald Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom ICQ 83834746 Keep And Bear Arms http://www.keepandbeararms.com INFOWARS.com, a Presentation of the Energetic Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com/index.html In the immortal words of Yeshua the Messiah (most call Him Jesus) "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that you might have life, and that you might have it more abundantly." -- St. John 10:10. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! -