From: Bill Vance Subject: Child Kidnapping Services Unveiled (fwd) Date: 02 Jun 2001 13:08:04 -0700 --------- Forwarded message ---------- ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:44 AM attention to what is going on In the Sandpoint, Sagle Idaho area. Those kids have more balls then any 20 men twice there age, figures it would take the kids making a stand rather then the community, typical for the Goy though. M.O.M. The article on S.R.S. reminded me of something that happened to my wife and myself about 20 years ago. S.R.S. (Social and Rehabilitation Services) had requested a meeting in their local office to discuss the adoption of three foster children that we had in our home at that time. We had been discussing the ins and outs of the adoption when the social worker we were meeting with was called out of the cubical. After about 5 minutes we overheard another social worker enter an adjacent cubical and ask the individual in it what to do about a problem that she was having with a welfare recipient in her community. I found out later that the individual in the cubical was social worker's supervisor. The social worker went on to explain that a child abuse complaint had been filled anonymously against the family and she had been assigned to investigate it. She related that during the investigation she had run into a situation that she didn't know how to handle. The conversation went on as such. "Every time I try and talk to the lady she refuses to talk to me without the husband present and she won't let me in the house unless I've called ahead and made an appointment. What should I do? The supervisor's advise went like this. When you get back to your cubical make an anonymous phone call to the local child abuse hot line stating that you are a neighbor of the family and you are concerned about one or the other of the children being abused. After making a similar call every other day for the next two or three weeks go up to the child abuse hot-line center and get a copy of their records. Then go over to judge W--gs court and request a court order removing all of the children from the home. You won't have any more trouble with her after that. After overhearing this conversation my wife and I quickly decided that we wanted nothing further to do with S.R.S. and after the three kids were adopted we dropped out of the foster parent program. As you can see it isn't only the present Social Service employees that have been involved in atrocities. They have been at it for a very long time. My name is Alan Rainey and I live at 2045 Oro Fino Gulch, Helena, Montana 59601. If you wish you may pass this along to your people. If you or any of you readers would like to confirm this account please call me at (406) 449-4866. Thanks Alan nox2128@blackfoot.net, "George S" gjstenekes@earthlink.net The so called "child services" government groups, has been proven by Ted Gunderson, X head of the FBI of several major cities, as being a "front" for child pornography! They get paid aprox. $25,000 for every child they get in the system! They are as much a danger to children as the "fag pedophile group nambla, the north American man/boy love association", they are evil predators on your children! The "10th plank of the communist manifesto called the public school system", is another predatory system! People if you love your children, get them out of that phony public school scam, be very careful about who you allow to talk or associate with your children. Stay away from the government enemies, learn the law yourself so they don't bury you with legal fees, & always have an escape plan, or 2, to get your children away from the predators that are out there, the worst being your government! PBJ -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: 60 Hard Truths about Liberals (fwd) Date: 03 Jun 2001 00:28:36 -0700 (Author unknown) 60 Hard Truths about gun hating Liberals. 1. At the most basic level, the liberal is an adolescent forever in search of a world without moral consequence. 2. Freedom from moral consequence can only be secured by a collectivist, totalitarian state. 3. Liberals use moralistic tones and catch-phrases like "social justice", but their only moral is the accumulation of power 4. Liberals ideologies tend inevitably towards world-wide totalitarianism. 5. All non-sexual individual freedoms are despised by the liberal because they demand moral responsibility. 6. The fundamental power struggle of the liberal is individual v. collective. The individual must be relieved of all power in favor of the collective. 7. Individualism demands moral responsibility. Collectivism hopes to eliminate the need for moral responsibility. 8. The U.S. Constitution - specifically the individualistic Bill of Rights - is the enemy of the liberal. 9. The liberal despises the United States because it is the premier gaurantor and promoter of individualism in the world. 10. All institutions and concerns - schools, environment, courts, etc. - serve no relevant purpose other than the promotion of collectivism. 11. Abortion is necessary to guarantee genital freedom and eliminate moral consequence. 12. The basis of psychology is the elimination of moral responsibility. 13. The liberal must create an atmosphere of crisis and fear to justify collectivist oppression. 14. Any religious person who believes or promotes moral consequence is the enemy of the liberal and must be oppressed. 15. Despite decades of spectacular failure, the liberal clings to the collectivist dream because it is far more than a theory of government. It is a religion. 17. The liberal seeks to dominate any institution which can weaken or destroy individual parental rights - public schools, child abuse agencies, pediatric associations, etc.. 18. The liberal applauds the imprisoning of homeschooling parents who dare to raise their children outside the control of collectivist public schools. 19. Private ownership of guns is the single greatest symbol of individual power, and therefore despised. 20. All individual freedoms demand the responsible behavior of the individual, and therefore demand a moral code. Liberals despise freedom because they despise morality. 21. The liberal loves Bill Clinton because of who he is, not in spite of who he is. 22. The liberal despises national sovereignty which protects individual freedoms. 23. The liberal promotes international governments (UN, EU, etc.) which seek to destroy individualism protected by sovereign states. 24. The liberal fears any hint of individualism in any part of the world, and is obsessed with the centralized control of all human activity and thought. 25. "Multi-culturalism" is the code world for a single, oppressive, collectivist culture. 26. Liberals speak often of tolerance, but only tolerate liberals. 27. The liberal seeks to criminalize any speech which promotes morality or individualism as "hate speech". 28. Environmentalists lie as a matter of course. 29. The liberal's only method of debate is to insult and discredit anyone who dares to disagree. 30. When possible, liberals oppress anyone who questions their beliefs. 31. Liberals despise all innocence - especially the innocence of a child. 32. Liberals seek the sexualization of children and the normalization of pedophilia, all in the pursuit of genital freedom. 33. In the liberal mind, your freedom is their oppression. 34. Private property and individual wealth is integral to individualism, and the enemy of the liberal. 35. The liberal hates you. 36. The liberal seeks to replace a moral world view with an emotional world view. 37. The liberal typically chooses a career which produces nothing of value - lawyer, bureaucrat, "activist", etc. - and uses government to extract the wealth of others. 38. Liberal programs enrich liberals and do little to help the poor. 39. The liberal despises masculinity as a symbol of individual power. 40. Feminists groups are about lesbianism and socialism, not equal rights for women. 41. Liberals are perfectly willing to destroy you financially, remove your children, and imprison you for what you believe. 42. Liberals fear technology and change - because neither can be centrally controlled. 43. Liberals are not obsessed with sex, but with promiscuity. Promiscuity is the dominate theme of the liberal media culture. 44. Liberals despise the suburbs as a manifestation of individual prosperity, private property ownership, and the family. 45. Liberals despise marriage and family because they are institutions which frown on promiscuity. 46. Liberals are never satisfied with the power they have gained over the lives of individuals - they must control every thought and detail of human activity. 47. Liberals seek to control public schools, and force all children into them, in order to foster promiscuity and collectivist ideology in children. 48. Other diseases kill millions more, but liberals are obsessed with Aids because it is a moral consequence of promiscuity. 49. Liberals are more committed than conservatives because their politics is also their religion. 50. Liberal activities are all about ego - to demonstrate "I care more than you do" without really helping anyone. 51. Whenever a liberal expresses concern "for the children", they are using and targeting children to expand promiscuity, collectivism, and their own pocketbooks and egos. 52. Because collectivist politics is their only morality, liberals have no problem with deceit, oppression, or violence in their pursuit of collectivism. 53. Liberals are elitists who exempt themselves from the oppressive rules they impose on the general population. 54. Liberals howl if a transvestite or convicted felon is even slightly offended, but openly bash Christians. 55. Liberals dream of a return to a centralized, 1940's urban environment. We all ride the bus from a small, dirty, big city apartment to an 8-5 union job. 56. Liberals believe that wealth is static - anyone who makes money must be stealing it from someone else. 57. Liberals claim to be against violence, but makes excuses for liberals like Castro who torture political dissidents. 58. Liberals have enormous compassion for criminal predators, but little for the victims. 59. In the liberal world, all problems stem from individualism, and all solutions are collective. 60. Liberals believe that passing religious values to children is a form of child abuse. "We must hang together, or we shall most assuredly hang separately." --Benjamin Franklin -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: National Education Association Resolution] (fwd) Date: 05 Jun 2001 10:15:04 -0700 THE SAME CALIF. HOMOSEXUAL CURRICULUM WILL BE PUSHED IN EVERY OTHER OF THE 49 STATES STATES BY THE NEA OUT OF WASH D.C. IN STATE/GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS, SO GET BUSY AND FIGHT THIS. CALL RONALD PAIGE, U.S. SEC. OF EDUCATION AND TOMMY THOMPSON,U.S. SEC OF HEALTH AND COMPLAIN. GET RID OF THE NEA!!! CHAR CARTER, RETIRED TEACHER Now the NEA is pushing the agenda as well as our California leaders! Remember: 6 of the 9 bills to push the homosexual agenda on our kids have passed the house or senate last week. 3 are being voted on next week. (this is in addition to 4 homosexual bills passed in 99 and 4 more in 2000). This is no longer about gays being allowed to be...it is about them pushing their agenda on us and on our kids! Do we need 4 +4 +9 = 18 homosexual laws promoting their agenda? And why is the media quiet about this? Diane NEA must not endorse Homosexuality! >From TVC. Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:26:50 -0400 NEA Resolution "New B" for Homosexuality. The National Education Association recognizes that the complex and diverse needs of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and questioning students; and gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender families and their children require the development of programs that promote a safe and inclusive environment. a. Development of curriculum and instructional materials and programs designed to meet the needs of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender students.*****************(WATCH!) b. Involvement of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender educators in developing educational material used in classroom instructions. c. Dissemination of programs that support gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and questioning students and address the high dropout rate, suicide rate, and health risk behaviors. d. Recognition of the importance of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender education employees as role models. e. Accurate portrayal of the roles and contributions of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people throughout history. f. Dissemination of programs and information that include the contributions, heritage, culture and history of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people. g. Coordination with gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender organizations and concerned agencies that promote the contributions, heritage, culture, history, health and care of gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people. (end resolution text) Talking Points on the NEA's pro-homosexual resolution - Supporters of "New B" say that it will protect homosexuals in schools by implementing pro-homosexual curriculum, instructional materials, programs, and by hiring homosexual educators. But is this what we really want? The passage of this resolution means that homosexuality could be taught to your children, as young as preschool. The homosexual agenda does not belong in public schools, but if the NEA supports this resolution, the nation's public schools will be only a step away from implementing it. Also, these programs would occur without the consent of parents. The NEA's Web site tells parents that "you are your child's first and most important teacher." However, by supporting this resolution the NEA takes the power from the parents to dictate what their children learn and when they learn it. Schools, not parents, would decide when and what the children learn about homosexuality. Some of the main ideas in the resolution have already been tested in America's public schools. with horrific results: =B7 The school board in Provincetown, Mass., approved a measure that allows preschoolers to be taught about homosexuality, and the group Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays to speak in kindergarten classes. (Washington Times, Aug 21, 1997) =B7 In Marin County, Calif., all second- through fifth-graders at Pleasant Valley School were called to an assembly put on by a local theater group. The group taught the children slogans such as, "I'm gay and it's okay." The skits included one in which Rapunzel cut her hair and ran away with her girlfriend. One fourth-grade child went home and told his parents that he learned about families with two daddies and two mommies, and words like "homosexual" and "lesbian." One third-grade girl reportedly asked her father if she was a lesbian because she liked girls better than boys. Many parents were outraged because they had not been informed of the assembly or the material it would address. (Citizen magazine, July 2001) =B7 In California, elementary school students were forced to hear about their teacher's homosexual lifestyle. When the teacher's homosexual partner sent flowers to him in the class, he used the moment to talk about homosexuality. When one of the parents wrote to the teacher to complain, he responded with a letter that said, in essence, that while he agreed not to talk about homosexuality, he never agreed not to use "teachable moments" to educate the children about homosexual issues. (Family News in Focus, May 18, 2001) =B7 The Washington Times reported that "Kindergartners are learning about 'homophobia' as lessons about alternative lifestyles and homosexuality appear in America's elementary school's, often without parental knowledge."(Nov. 25, 1997) =B7 In Montpelier, Vt., high school students were taken to an unannounced assembly. Once there, they were presented with a panel entirely made up of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals who talked about how happy, healthy and productive they are. (Washington Times, Nov. 25, 1997) =B7 A California labor commissioner ruled against the Hemet Unified School District, saying they "discriminated" against a teacher by allowing a tenth-grade girl to transfer out of the class. The transfer occurred after the teacher openly discussed her private relationship with her lesbian partner in front of the class, reportedly making the girl uncomfortable and anxious, and creating a hostile learning environment for her. (The (Riverside) Press-Enterprise, Feb. 6, 1999, and Jan. 19, 2000; California Senate Judiciary Statement on SB 1804) This resolution promotes an agenda, not education. "New B" seeks to advance the homosexual agenda in public schools through curriculum and programs, without the consent of parents. Public schools should be a place for reading, writing and arithmetic, not reading, writing and social agendas. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Website: Police Guide (fwd) Date: 05 Jun 2001 10:16:06 -0700 A federal attorney I know gave me this site, I thought you might find it interesting. You can check to see if the FBI has ever had a file on you. I was shocked to see that there was a file on me. I suggest not using your Social Security Number. Just check all states. I doubt this site will be up for much longer. I found a record on ME and they even had a photo that was awful! Just double-click on the site and put in your state and name, if a match is found they will ask for a year of birth to narrow the search. You will get the case number, date of investigation and any photos on file. It's a free site, but is expected to be closed due to a federal court order. http://www.policeguide.com/cgi-bin/criminal-search Alan Bombria -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Press Release:Book Review: BURNING RAGE - The Growing Anger Within My (fwd) Date: 06 Jun 2001 10:16:01 -0700 Country by Barry Clausen ] A great book and speaker for your group! Tell others. ubject: Press_Release:__Book_Review:_BURNING_RAGE_-_The_Growing_Anger_Within _My_Country_by_Barry_Clausen_ (Talk show hosts and editors, Barry Clausen is available for interviews at 530 241 4884. ) ECO-TERRORISTS EXPOSED! Book Review by J. Zane Walley Barry Clausen was poised, professional and humorous as he addressed members of the Eagle Forum & Paragon Foundation on during their 2001 seminar in Alamogordo, NM. During his one-hour presentation he held the attention of the entire audience as he talked about information contained within his new book BURNING RAGE - The Growing Anger Within My Country. The book covers his personal experiences within the American judicial system, as well as his investigations into the activities of environmental/animal rights terrorists and extremists. BURNING RAGE is a shocking, must read for all Americans." His book takes you out of your comfort zone and challenges you to think. Burning Rage is a behind the scenes look at the dark underworld of government cover-ups, the Unabomber, and radical environmentalism. Clausen is a 'human backhoe' - constantly digging for the truth. What he finds is not always pleasant, but sometimes the truth hurts. Former Member of Congress "Helen Chenoweth-Hage noted "The natural habitat of the "Ecoterrorist" is shadow and secrecy. Barry Clausen does everyone who cares about our nation's resources a great service by shining a bright light on this ugly and dangerous movement. He has done this by the painstaking accumulation of facts and by a single-minded determination to uncover the truth." I know Barry personally. He literally laid life on the line by going undercover to investigate EarthFirst! To publish BURNING RAGE, he and his wife, Julie, mortgaged their home to pay the printer. BURNING RAGE is $19.95 plus $3.00 Shipping and Handling for a total of $22.99. Order by calling By calling. Range Magazine at 1 800 RANGE 4U or by contacting Barry Clausen at 530 241 4884. To order by mail send check or money order to North American Research P.O. Box 492141 Redding, CA 96049 -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: YOU STOPPED VILLARAIGOSA (fwd) Date: 09 Jun 2001 15:41:32 -0700 YOU DEFEATED VILLARAIGOSA He had the support of California Gov. Gray Davis, the California Democrat Party, Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan, Los Angeles Supervisor Gloria Molina, the Los Angeles County Federation of Labor (just about every blue collar labor union in Southern California), the Teachers Union, Daddy Warbucks billionaire Eli Broad, and the Los Angeles Times---AND HE LOST. INFORMED VOTERS SHOWED WISDOM Los Angeles voters were not buying Villaraigosa. It was not just his letter to spring drug dealer Vignali, it was also Mexican separatism that cost Villaraigosa the election. SEPARATISM AND RECONQUISTA EXPOSED On Thursday, May 31, during the final mayoral debate (televised on KABC TV) Frank Mottek, a KFI radio (1070 AM) reporter, asked Villaraigosa point blank if he repudiated the goals a separate Latino Republic carved out of the Southwest. (KFI was the only radio station that attended the May 11 American Patrol news conference and the only station that carried the story of our lawsuit against the Los Angeles Times and Daily News.) He refused to answer. Think of it, a candidate for Mayor of Los Angeles refuses to say if he wants the United States of America broken up! This incredible story was picked up by NewsMax.com and began spreading, despite attempts by the mainstream media to kill it. AMERICAN PATROL HITS THE AIRWAYS On Sunday, June 3, Glenn Spencer of American Patrol was a guest on three radio talk shows, one nationwide and two local. He was on Los Angeles clear channel KFI 640 AM from midnight Sunday to 2:30 a.m. Monday. Thanks to KFI host Lee Klein, Spencer was able to fully expose both Villaraigosa and the Los Angeles Times in a way that brought many calls of praise. On Monday, June 4, the issue of Villaraigosa and Mexican reconquista broke wide open. Even liberal Los Angeles talk show host Gloria Allred (KABC 790 AM) was forced to spend an entire hour on Villaraigosa and MEChA. George Putnam (KRLA 870 AM) hammered both the Los Angeles Times and Villaraigosa. YOU DID IT Despite attempts by the Los Angeles Times and Daily News to keep the truth from Los Angeles voters, with your support, American Patrol was able to deliver 35,000 copies of the Villaraigosa ad to homes in the San Fernando Valley. These ads, our lawsuit against the Los Angeles Times and Daily News and the hard work of Hal Netkin of www.mayorno.com, forced the issue of Villaraigosa and la Reconquista into the public arena. We are convinced that this made the difference in the election for Mayor of Los Angeles. THANK YOU Without your support none of this would have been possible. Thank you. We will now proceed to prosecute our lawsuit against the Los Angeles Times and Daily News to teach them that unlawful suppression of the truth is not condoned in the United States. For a copy of the lawsuit as filed in Superior Court, see http://www.americanpatrol.com/VCTcomplaint.html Glenn Spencer American Patrol http://www.americanpatrol.com -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Lovely rant on the damage done by education (fwd) Date: 09 Jun 2001 15:42:35 -0700 Education College Brainwashing by Brad Edmonds While in grad school I encountered one of my freshman music theory students, when he was a senior. He was a music education major. Before getting to The Chat, I should note that he was a C student in theory, typical of education majors. The strong students were the performance majors, such as the one with C talent who wrested an A from pure effort - my fondest memory (that student ended up in grad school, and appeared to have much more "talent" later). While the education majors were ostensibly focused on ideas, and the performance majors on developing a (largely physical) skill, the performance majors did better with ideas. I don't remember what got our chat started, but I remember how the brainwashed government-educator-to-be finished: "You can't be an effective teacher without taking at least a few education courses." My brilliant retort was something like "what a load." Fortunately, I followed with "so was I a good enough teacher?" (I took one course from an educator, a giggler having something to do with research skills; see below.) The kid had no argument - not that I would expect an education major to have good arguments. And I was a strong enough teacher, due mostly to my supervisor's rigorous course outline and partly to my dogged adherence to it. But there's a better argument: Here is a partial list of the people who never encountered a state-certified teacher: Moses; Jesus; Augustus Caesar; St. Thomas Aquinas; St. Augustine; Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven; Martin Luther; Babbage; the rationalists, the empiricists, and Kant; and I'm not certain, but I'll bet on Einstein and Heisenberg, Patton and Bradley. My personal favorite is Newton, whoinvented the calculus - one of the most important advances of all time - and more during a break from college, at home, at about age 23. Then there's Michelangelo, all the people who developed Italian cooking, the ones who developed gunpowder?I'd love to continue. How many minds like those have come from government schools since public educators fully took over after WWII? Schools of education have wrought an impressive thing: In the world's most powerful nation, education colleges are training those who, through their brainwashed block voting, intimidate legislators into making teacher-certification laws everyone knows are harmful to tens of millions of children, thus to the world's future. They are intimidating legislators into making it more difficult for you to control your own child's upbringing. They are sending government prosecutors into the homes of loving, intelligent, involved parents to charge them with crimes for not choosing state-approved home schooling texts. Add in the number of fresh 5-year-old children they get for their government brainkilling machine every year, and you realize how fearsome they are. They are the most powerful politically united group of voters on the planet, and the most harmful, making it possible, for example, for the greens to be as powerful as they are by dumbing down our progeny. They have succeeded not only in dumbing down three generations of Americans; schools of education have managed to attract consistently the weakest college students and dumb even them down as well. That could almost be a bright spot - remember that in the 2000 presidential election, it is probable that the Democrats had finally attracted voters so careless and stupid that they may have lost the election solely to their constituents' inability to follow instructions in casting votes (oh, and thousands of felons were among the Gore voters as well). Analogously, perhaps the more recent generations of education-school graduates, when they inherit power over the education establishment, will be too thoroughly moronic to hold on to that power. (This is fantasy; they need obedient lawmakers, so that's the one thing they'll keep achieving skillfully.) In the meantime, home school your children. Get permission to home school your television-addicted neighbor's children. For my part, I'll move into a smaller house if necessary, when I have children, so the family can live and home school on only my salary. Those of you who home school: Learn about legal defense organizations - you may need one (see my archive for links). Sidebar: The education course I took was called, I believe, "Introduction to graduate research in music." For the second meeting, we took a tour of the library (they herded us around like kindergarteners - we grad students couldn't be trusted to find, say, the reference desk on our own), and learned about references I'd never heard of and found useless when I did real research. Most interesting was that the professor spent time alone with each of us during the semester. I don't know what he said to the others; he attacked me. Being displeased by my classroom questioning of his lies about psychology, logic, and more, he accused me of having an "agenda" (when you have one, you see other people the same way); of trying to "intimidate" him (he had the PhD, I was the student; he was 6'4", I'm 5'8"); and of being "recalcitrant," meaning I wasn't suggestible enough. He was right. For my term paper, I documented the falsehoods in the textbook. June 7, 2001 Brad Edmonds [send him mail], MS in Industrial Psychology, Doctor of Musical Arts, is a banker in Alabama. Copyright ? 2001 LewRockwell.com Brad Edmonds Archives Back to LewRockwell.com Home Page Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 _________________| 1175 N Altadena Dr | ____________ Jack@Minerva.com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 Cut out the middlemen. Send donations to: Boys Scouts of America National HQ 1329 Walnut Hill Ln. Irving, TX 75162 http://www.SaveOurScouts.com -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: The New Yearly Census (fwd) Date: 09 Jun 2001 23:12:54 -0700 The American Community Survey: A New Census June 7, 2001 Friends of Liberty, International http://www.friendsofliberty.com/files/2001/06/07/04.htm Remember last year when the census sent you that long form that you had to fill out, or face being fined? This "nosy" approach to information about us angered a lot of people. It must not have angered them enough. The U.S. Census Bureau is attempting to emplament a new kind of survey that will replace the long form. Actually, it isn't new at all; it is simply done more often. How would you like to see your government officials come knocking at your door once a year to "gather information" of a personal nature about you? This new type of "census" does just that. Below is the exact description of "The American Community Survey" as taken from the U.S. Census Website: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What is the American Community Survey? The American Community Survey is a new approach for collecting accurate, timely information needed for critical government functions. This new approach provides accurate, up-to-date profiles of America's communities every year. Community leaders and other data users will have timely information for planning and evaluating public programs for everyone from newborns to the elderly. The decennial census has two parts: 1) it counts the population; and 2) for the administration of federal programs and the distribution of billions of federal dollars, it obtains demographic, housing, social, and economic information by asking a 1-in-6 sample of households to fill out a "long form." Since this is done only once every 10 years, long-form information becomes out of date. Planners and other data users are reluctant to rely on it for decisions that are expensive and affect the quality of life of thousands of people. The American Community Survey is a way to provide the data communities need every year instead of once in ten years. It is an on-going survey that the Census Bureau plans will replace the long form in the 2010 Census. Full implementation of the survey would begin in 2003 in every county of the United States. The survey would include three million households. Data are collected by mail and Census Bureau staff follow up those who do not respond. The American Community Survey will provide estimates of demographic, housing, social, and economic characteristics every year for all states, as well as for all cities, counties, metropolitan areas, and population groups of 65,000 people or more. For smaller areas, it will take three to five years to accumulate sufficient sample to produce data for areas as small as census tracts. For example, areas of 20,000 to 65,000 can use data averaged over three years. For rural areas and city neighborhoods or population groups of less than 20,000 people, it will take five years to accumulate a sample that is similar to that of the decennial census. These averages can be updated every year, so that eventually, we will be able to measure changes over time for small areas and population groups. Goals of the Program The goals of the American Community Survey are to: ** Provide federal, state, and local governments an information base for the administration and evaluation of government programs. **Improve the 2010 Census. **Provide data users with timely demographic, housing, social, and economic data updated every year that can be compared across states, communities, and population groups. Why Are We Doing the American Community Survey? Data users have asked for timely data that provide consistent measures for all areas. Decennial sample data are out-of-date soon after they are published, about two years after the census is taken. Their usefulness declines every year thereafter. Yet billions of government and business dollars are divided among jurisdictions and population groups each year based on their social and economic profiles in the decennial census. The American Community Survey can identify changes in an area's population and give an up-to-date statistical picture when data users need it, every year, not just once in ten years. Communities can use the data, to track the well-being of children, families, and the elderly; determine where to locate new highways, schools, and hospitals; show a large corporation that a town has the workforce the company needs; evaluate programs such as welfare and workforce diversification; and monitor and publicize the results of their programs. The American Community Survey is conducted using the best mail self-response techniques of the decennial census combined with follow-up techniques that produce high-quality data. For households that do not respond by mail, the quality of data is improved by using well-trained, permanent interviewer staff using computerized interviewing, which incorporates edits into the collection process. Using a permanent coding staff provides additional improvements in data quality. As an on-going survey, the American Community Survey is a flexible vehicle, capable of adapting to changing customer needs. Once it is fully implemented, the potential is there to add questions of national policy interest or specialized supplements to help identify the situations of special population groups. How does the American Community Survey work? The American Community Survey: ** Uses the Master Address File (MAF), a complete listing of all residential addresses and group quarters in the country, for sample selection. ** Mails or delivers American Community Survey questionnaires each month to sample addresses. ** Uses commercial vendor lists to obtain telephone numbers for addresses that did not mail back their American Community Survey questionnaires and conducts telephone interviews. **Selects a one-in-three sample of the addresses still not interviewed and conducts personal interviews. **Improves the infrastructure for the federal statistical system by providing customized samples for subpopulations of interest, by providing the ability to increase sample sizes in the American Community Survey, and by providing a vehicle for collecting data on supplemental topics for population groups or specific geographic areas. Master Address File The Census Bureau maintains a national Master Address File (MAF). The MAF was constructed by a computer match of the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) Delivery Sequence File (DSF), the 1990 Census Address Control File (ACF), and the Topologically Integrated Geographic Encoding and Referencing (TIGER) files. Thereafter, periodic updates from the USPS DSF, census surveys, and field listing activities keep the MAF current. The MAF can be created automatically for all areas that have city-style address systems where the mail is delivered using these addresses. For areas that do not have a city-style address system, the Census Bureau creates a MAF by conducting an address listing operation. The MAF will be used as a sampling frame for the American Community Survey, as well as all of the Census Bureau's demographic surveys. A critical element in the overall success of the ACS is the ability to keep the Census Bureau's MAF up-to-date and accurate from year to year, especially in rural areas. The MAF serves as the main source of the housing unit sample for the ACS. In addition, the housing unit counts contained in the MAF play an important part in the editing, weighting, and data tabulation process. Thus, the overall accuracy of the MAF is a paramount concern. The need for an up-to-date MAF spawned the development of a new program called the American Community Survey - Coverage Program (formerly called the Community Address Updating System). This program, which is currently under development, has two major objectives: ** To obtain address information about new housing units and add those units to the MAF; and ** To correct and update the existing addresses in the MAF. Sample Selection Each month, we will select a systematic sample of addresses from the most current MAF for the American Community Survey. The sample will represent the entire United States. Each month, a sample will be randomly selected. No address will receive the American Community Survey questionnaire more than once in any five-year period. A larger proportion of addresses will be sampled for small governmental units (American Indian reservations, counties, and towns). The monthly sample size is designed to approximate the sampling ratio of Census 2000, including the oversampling of small governmental units. Data Collection The American Community Survey will be conducted using three methods of data collection to contact households: Self-enumeration through mail-out/mail-back; Computer Assisted Telephone Interviewing (CATI); and Computer Assisted Personal Interviewing (CAPI). ** Self-enumeration through mail-out/mail-back methodology - The self-enumeration procedure uses several mailing pieces: a prenotice letter, the American Community Survey questionnaire, and a reminder card. A replacement questionnaire will be mailed to addresses in the sample if the original questionnaire is not completed and returned to the processing office within the prescribed amount of time. Sample addresses that do not respond by mail will be contacted using the follow-up procedures CATI, CAPI, or both. ** Computer Assisted Telephone Interviewing (CATI) - The CATI operation is conducted approximately six weeks after the American Community Survey questionnaire is mailed. We will attempt to obtain telephone numbers and conduct telephone interviews for all households that do not respond by mail. Census Bureau telephone interviewing staff will conduct these interviews. ** Computer Assisted Personal Interviewing (CAPI) - Following the CATI operation, a sample will be taken from the addresses which remain uninterviewed. These addresses will be visited by Census Bureau field representatives, who will conduct personal interviews to obtain the information on the American Community Survey. Implementation The American Community Survey is being implemented in three parts: ** Demonstration period 1996-1998 ** Comparison sites 1999-2002 ** Full implementation nationwide starting in 2003 and continuing The American Community Survey demonstration period began in 1996 in four sites. In 1997, the survey was conducted in eight sites to evaluate costs, procedures, and new ways to use the information. In 1998, the American Community Survey expanded to include two counties in South Carolina that overlapped with counties in the Census 2000 Dress Rehearsal. This approach allowed the Census Bureau to investigate the effects on both the American Community Survey and the census due to having the two activities going on in the same place at the same time. In 1999, the number of sites in the sample increased to 31 comparison sites. The comparison with Census 2000 is designed to collect several kinds of information necessary to understand the differences between 1999-2001 American Community Survey and the 2000 long form. The comparison sites include various situations in which these differences are expected to be prominent. They were selected to have at least one site in each of 24 strata representing combinations of county population size, difficulty of enumeration, and 1990-1995 population growth. The selection also attempts to balance areas by region of the country, and seeks to include several sites representing different characteristics of interest, such as racial or ethnic groups, highly seasonal populations, migrant workers, American Indian reservations, improving or worsening economic conditions, and predominant occupation or industry types. The purpose of the comparison sites is to give a good tract-by-tract comparison between the 1999-2001 American Community Survey cumulated estimates and the Census 2000 long-form estimates, and to use these comparisons to identify both the causes of differences and diagnostic variables that tend to predict a certain kind of difference. In 2002, we will continue to collect data in the 31 comparison sites to maintain the continuity of the survey. In 2003, plans are to implement the American Community Survey in every county of the United States with an annual sample of three million housing units. Once the survey is in full operation, American Community Survey data will be available every year for areas and population groups of 65,000 or more beginning in 2004. For small areas and population groups of 20,000 or less, it will take five years to accumulate a large enough sample to provide estimates with accuracy similar to the decennial census. That means updated information for areas such as neighborhoods will be available starting in 2008 and every year thereafter. Data Dissemination An American Community Survey goal is to provide data to the users within six months of the end of a collection or calendar year. For states, populous counties, and other governmental units or population groups with a population of 65,000 or more, the American Community Survey can provide direct estimates for each year. For smaller governmental units or population groups (those with a population of less than 65,000), estimates can be provided each year through refreshed multi-year accumulations of data. Plans include the release of a microdata file each year patterned after the five percent Public Use Microdata Sample (PUMS) file of the 1990 decennial census records. The microdata file allows for two different units of analysis: housing unit and person. The microdata file includes as many records as possible and shows the lowest level of geography possible within confidentiality constraints. Users of the American Community Survey data can customize tabulations to examine the information in the way that best serves their needs. In addition, the American Community Survey will provide summarized data for population and housing estimates, cross tabulated by various characteristics, down to the block-group level. The summarized data will be similar to the Summary Tape Files (STF) of the 1990 decennial census records, and are designed to provide statistics with greater subject and geographic detail than is feasible or desirable to provide in printed reports. The microdata files, tabulated files, and associated documentation will be available on CD-ROM, as well as on this web site. The American Community Survey and the Federal Statistical System The American Community Survey offers a number of features that can improve the federal statistical system. They are: **Increased sampling options; **Flexibility in design and content; and **More frequent data for evaluation. Because the current federal statistical system is decentralized, surveys are conducted independently of one another. Each one must collect the same core data: number of occupied units, number of people, and the general characteristics of people. After these core data are collected, each survey focuses on its specific needs. The American Community Survey can provide better estimates of the core data as well as provide a vehicle for collecting some specific survey data, thereby reducing this duplication. The American Community Survey can screen for households with specific characteristics. These households could be identified through the basic survey, or through the use of supplemental questions. Targeted households can then be candidates for follow-up interviews, thus providing a more robust sampling frame for other surveys. Moreover, the prohibitively expensive screening interviews now required would no longer be necessary. State and local governments are becoming more involved in administering and evaluating programs traditionally controlled by the federal government. This devolution of responsibility is often accompanied by federal funding through block grants. The data collected via the American Community Survey will be useful not only to the federal agencies, but also to state, local, and tribal governments in planning, administering, and evaluating programs. Finally, the American Community Survey will provide more timely data for use in area estimation models that provide estimates of various concepts for small geographic areas. In essence, detailed data from national household surveys (whose samples are too small to provide reliable estimates for states or localities) can be combined with data from the American Community Survey to create reliable estimates for small geographic areas. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To see the actual information on "The American Community Survey", you can visit the U.S. Census Bureau on the Web. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Cooking the Books at Education (fwd) Date: 09 Jun 2001 23:13:51 -0700 Cooking the Books at Education Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in Media Saturday, June 9, 2001 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/6/8/205728.shtml In Washington, during congressional debate over President Bush's "Leave no child behind" education initiative, Republicans have been arguing for an increase of 11 percent in spending by the Department of Education, while Democrats have been arguing for a 35-50 percent increase. The department currently operates on a budget of $44.5 billion a year. But the sad truth, which has escaped the attention of most of the major media, is that there is no real guarantee that any of this money will actually get to the students that may need it. This is because the Department of Education has been so mismanaged that it can't account for the money it is spending. The amount of missing, mismanaged or stolen money reaches $6 billion. Outright looting and embezzlement of Education Department funds by agency officials in the Clinton administration cannot be ruled out, as there was no security over the obligation and disbursement of federal funds. Officials of the agency may have conspired to "cook the books" and spend more money than Congress had appropriated. This would be a violation of the federal anti-deficiency act, which bars federal agencies from disbursing more funds than authorized by Congress. Stories about government waste, fraud and abuse are common, but the scandal at the Department of Education has reached a new and unprecedented level. This is an agency out of control. Yet the story remains largely untold. Recognizing the dimensions of the problem, Rep. Charles Norwood of Georgia has suggested the department be shut down until the problems are solved. Revelations of the limited investigations conducted so far include 21 Department of Education employees who wrote a total of 19,000 checks in one year, without getting approval from any other official, totaling $23 million; employees using agency credit cards to buy items such as computers, software, cell phones and Internet service that may have been diverted to personal use; and $1.9 million of Department of Education grants intended for two school districts in South Dakota diverted to buy real estate and luxury sport utility vehicles. Ignoring a Whistleblower At a recent background briefing in Washington, D.C., a member of the leadership of the House of Representatives was asked about the case of John Gard, the whistleblower from the Department of Education who has sparked the numerous investigations into the department's finances. The congressman had never heard of Gard. He was also not aware that the Department of Education had failed three straight audits and that the new secretary of education, Rod Paige, has expressed the hope that it may be able to pass an audit in about 18 months. This is the agency that Congress and the administration plan to give billions more dollars. It makes no sense. John Gard has not sought the attention of the media. However, this is no excuse for ignoring his sensational charges, which have been the subject of congressional hearings and an Office of Special Counsel (OSC) investigation. The OSC determined that his allegations of "gross mismanagement" to the tune of billions of dollars are true. When the OSC report was issued on Jan. 31, the Associated Press ran a good story about Gard and some of his charges. But it was published back on page 21 of the Washington Post. This is typical of how the agency's problems have been covered. Whistleblower Talks to AIM Gard was recently interviewed by Accuracy in Media, which has championed the cause of whistleblowers in the federal government. As damning as the OSC report was, Gard said it amounted to a whitewash because it failed to reveal the extent of the corruption. He told a harrowing story of how he battled to expose waste, fraud and abuse in the department only to be made the target of reprisal and retaliation, eventually being escorted from agency property by armed federal security guards. Gard was a systems accountant in the Office of the Chief Financial Officer. He exposed serious problems in the department's Grants Administration and Payment System (GAPS), under which dozens of agency employees were potentially able to funnel education department funds to their personal bank accounts or their friends and associates without being caught. The system was such that it was impossible for the department to monitor who was tapping into the money and how much was being diverted. It may be a stretch to say that all $6 billion was funneled out of the department in this way. Some may have been wasted or mismanaged. On the other hand, Gard asks the central question, "Where did the money go?" The system was so open to abuse that it may be impossible to determine how much money was stolen and by whom. In one sensational incident, Gard found unsecured checks lying on top of an employee's desk and reported the matter to the Office of the Inspector General of the department. These checks could have been cashed by the employee for personal use. For blowing the whistle, Gard said he was attacked by the then-chief financial officer, Donald Rappaport, as a "spy" who could not be trusted. In a filing with the OSC, which is part of the public record in the case, Gard's lawyers also say that agency employees who helped cover up the agency's "mismanagement, waste of funds and potential fraud activity" were rewarded with "enhanced job assignments, promotions, awards, recognition or enhanced office space." Gard said his concern all along has been that the agency obey the laws of the United States. He believes agency employees have violated several federal laws on financial record keeping and other related matters. He is still being paid, but he has no assigned duties. He spent most of his time on his lawsuit against the department. He is willing to return to the department under the Bush administration and try to help solve the problems which have plagued the agency. But his offer to do so has been ignored Gard emphasizes that he is not advocating the elimination of the department but wants to see the funds that are disbursed recorded properly and accounted for. He has said, however, that the problems are so large that the department should be placed under the supervision of a special master appointed by a federal court or put into receivership. This has been done in the past with grossly mismanaged agencies of the Washington, D.C. city government. Paige Turns the Page The corruption problem is so massive that Secretary Paige was forced to hold a press conference on April 20 specifically on fraud and mismanagement in the department. Putting a happy face on the problem, it was at this event that he said his hope was that the agency could pass an audit in 18 months. Paige also announced that Deputy Secretary-designate Bill Hansen and Undersecretary-designate Gene Hickok would head a reform effort. Hansen has been approached by one of Gard's lawyers about Gard helping try to clean up the mess. Gard said he hasn't heard anything back from Hansen. At the press conference, Paige suggested the problem in the agency involved the mismanagement or loss of only $450 million, and that $250 million of that had been recovered. The $450 million figure was put forward at an April 3 congressional hearing, where the agency's inspector general testified. The hearing was covered by the Associated Press, the Washington Times on page 6, and the Washington Post back on page 21. This event also featured a discussion of the agency's failure to pass three consecutive audits. However, the evening news programs of the three major networks completely ignored the hearing. But Gard emphasizes that this $450 million figure is far too low. The AP and the Washington Post have noted a discrepancy with the Department of Treasury's accounting of what the Department of Education has spent that amounts to $6 billion over the last three years under Secretary Richard W. Riley. Gard believes this is a more accurate figure reflecting the true amount of how much money is missing or unaccounted for. Again, this is because there was no security over the disbursement of federal funds when the agency implemented GAPS. Gard says that, despite the change in administrations, there's still a reluctance to tell the American people about the full extent of the problem because both major parties want to spend more on education. Officials at Paige's news conference claimed that financial problems are going to be addressed through the installation of a new software program, Oracle Federal Financials. Gard told us that this would not solve the GAPS disbursement and security problems. Gard said the Oracle software may resolve some accounting problems if it is installed correctly. He said he knew of one federal agency that had used it properly. Ironically, it had been installed at the Corporation for National Service by one of his former associates at the Department of Education, after he had been relieved of his duties. The Department of Education has been without a chief financial officer for two years and it is apparent that the agency has had a very difficult time finding a new one. The agency has been without an assistant secretary for management for five years. This suggests the problems are simply too large to be addressed and that the agency may not be salvageable Honor Gard President Bush has called upon federal employees to "disclose waste, fraud, abuse and corruption to the appropriate authorities." Gard did just that and has suffered for it. He is suing the Department of Education. Gard should be compensated for the damage to his career. President Bush should restore Gard to his previous position or even promote him. If Secretary Paige wants to make sure that Department of Education money is used to "teach children," he should take the initiative himself and immediately put Gard back to work. But Gard's name was never raised during Paige's news conference. That's a strange way of encouraging employers to expose corruption. Yet, without Gard back at the department, it will be hard to have any confidence that the financial problems will be solved. The only reporter at the press conference who seemed familiar with the extent of the corruption was George Archibald of the Washington Times, who produced a page two story for that paper. Archibald has an understanding of the agency, having worked there under the president, Ronald Reagan, who wanted to abolish it. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Norm Olson on CNN 7:30 EDT Monday 11 June 2001 (fwd) Date: 09 Jun 2001 23:15:12 -0700 CNN has invited Norm Olson to a return engagement Monday night about 7:30 Eastern. Last time, in Washington, he was interrupted by "breaking news" (OJ's attempt to slide his own murderous hand into his own blood-dried-shrunken glove.) This time he hopes there'll be no interruptions. He also hopes that Bill Press sits in the liberal seat so that Olson can tell him, "You CAN'T handle the truth!!!" No more nice guy. Pussycat Patriots who strive to be politically correct, socially acceptable, and squeezeably soft, need not waste their time watching. Just explain Olson's attitude as "Norm forgot to take his meds." Norm Olson -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: due process in Idaho (fwd) Date: 11 Jun 2001 08:50:31 -0700 Former McGuckin Family Attorney Blasts Idaho Prosecutor From Edgar J. Steele Attorney at Law 6-9-1 PRESS RELEASE - IMMEDIATE Sagle, Idaho Thousands wouldn't believe you, Phil, but don't worry... I do. SANDPOINT Idaho - The time has come to directly address the many false representations made about the McGuckin case by local government, as personified by the Prosecuting Attorney, Phil Robinson. By way of doing so, Edgar J. Steele, the McGuckin Family Lawyer-in-Exile releases the following open letter, since Mr. Robinson refuses to communicate with him in private. Dear Phil, Well, it's been a pretty wild ride so far, hasn't it? Guess you didn't expect it to turn into quite the media circus that it has become. Of course, if those kids hadn't possessed the moxie to defy your storm troopers, this whole affair would have gone down without a hitch, with nobody the wiser, wouldn't it? I can appreciate why you might be worried now, particularly since you swore, under penalty of perjury before Magistrate Heise, to so many things that so many people now claim are so false. Like that business about there being no power to the house? Northern Lights, the utility company, said it was hooked up and working all along, but they must be mistaken. They don't seem to believe you, Phil, but don't worry I do. And about the kids starving and having no food in the house? The people at the Food Bank, who gave them 200 pounds of food the week prior, don't seem to believe you. Nor do the good people at Bonner General Hospital, who examined the kids after being holed up in the bathroom of that little house for five days while under siege from their own government, yet pronounced them to be in good health. But don t worry, Phil... I believe you. And about that lily pad soup you said the kids were cooking up in their back yard over the camp fire? I know many people have researched it and claim it's not true because lily pads are poisonous and the kids would all be dead now, so they must not believe you, either. Don't worry, though, Phil I believe you. And about the husband, Michael, dying of malnutrition and dehydration, the same things you say the kids are suffering from? I hear that Mr. Coffelt, the coroner, has now recanted and says the death certificate is wrong, that Mr. McGuckin actually died as a result of multiple sclerosis, so he must not believe you, either. But don't worry, Phil I do. And about that pack of marauding, vicious dogs? Lots of people, including the vet and the receiving animal facility seem to think there's a lot fewer than 27 and that many of them are actually puppies, to boot, so they don't seem to believe you. Can you imagine? Now, I saw them myself the other day and thought they were pretty small and could have sworn many of them were wagging their tails, but I just figured it must be some breed of midget fighting dog. Don't worry, Phil I'm with you on this one, too. And about the house being filthy and strewn with dog feces? Well, I'm absolutely sure you're right about this, and it's a good thing that, once the kids were out of there, you had your people in there taking pictures without wasting time to get a search warrant, to prove it. I know there are those doubting Thomases who say the kids had the dogs inside with them during the siege so your jackbooted thugs (not a phrase I would ever use, of course) wouldn't shoot them and, of course those vicious, huge, marauding canines couldn't be expected to use the toilets because the water was off, so of course there was a huge mess, with dog feces everywhere. I'm sure it was like that all along, just like you said, so don't worry, Phil I believe you here, too. And about the kids being poorly educated? Well, we all know how inadequate home schooling is after all, the only reason home-schooled kids are taking top honors in all the national spelling and geography bees is because they sit at home, 24 hours a day, boning up just for those things and ignoring the really important stuff that is taught in the government schools these days. Yep, Phil, I'm with you all the way on this one, too. And about me being disbarred? They haven't told me about it yet and, when I called them to discuss the ethics of what you have been doing and saying, they said they didn't know anything about my being disbarred, so the people at the Idaho State Bar don't seem to believe you. But I'm sure you're in contact with those who are really in the know, so, don't worry, Phil I believe you on this one, too. And about me being fired by JoAnn McGuckin? Well, of course, you have issued orders to everybody, including the Sheriff (isn t he an elected official, by the way?), that I'm not to be allowed even to talk with any McGuckin family member by telephone and I am not to be told when the secret hearings about the kids take place, so of course I have to take your word for this one, as well. But I know you wouldn't lie about something like this, Phil. And about JoAnn being held incommunicado despite Magistrate Heise's recent order? Well, we all know she is stubbornly refusing to sign that O.R. release paper, thereby admitting that she is guilty and that she will stay away from her own children, so of course you can't just let her go. We all understand that, Phil. And, of course, since she is pretty fragile mentally and extremely susceptible to being unduly influenced, there are those who say you and your minions have been keeping her that way until she falls in line. But don't worry, Phil , because I know you would never stoop to that sort of thing I believe you. And about the public defender, Mr. Powell, being in your pocket? There are those who say, because he was a Shoshone County PD before he came here and because he's kind of hurting for money (his words, not mine) and would be doing much better financially if he was one of your assistants, that he is carrying your water on this case. I think that is a simply scurrilous suggestion and refuse to believe one word of it, even though he also refuses to let me talk to JoAnn. Don't worry, Phil, I believe you on this one, too. And about your pushing for $100,000 bail for JoAnn, even though her public defender hadn't gotten around to seeing to her interests, and getting it without a struggle from Magistrate Heise, even though you and I both know how difficult it is to get bonds like that for murderers? I know you, Phil, and I am absolutely certain this is true. And about your being sorry you didn't have JoAnn arrested during her husband's funeral? I have no doubt whatsoever about this one, Phil. I realize you have a powerful motivation to ensure that everything you swore to before Magistrate Heise is shown to be true, since you gave up your unqualified government official immunity when you chose to testify yourself. That's the problem with actually swearing out your own arrest warrant, of course, and why so many district and prosecuting attorneys know better. I know, however, Phil, that everybody who says that is why you are pushing the above things with such a vengeance is just being mean-spirited, because you would never allow your self interest to come into play in a case involving a citizen. Thousands wouldn't believe you, Phil. But don't worry - because I do. Sincerely, Edgar J. Steele Edgar J. Steele Attorney at Law 102 South Fourth Avenue, Suite C Sandpoint, Idaho 83864 Admitted in Idaho, Oregon, Washington & California (208) 265-5329 fax (208) 265-4153 steele@plainlawtalk.com -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Support AOL & Support China? (fwd) Date: 11 Jun 2001 18:56:22 -0700 Well don't AOL just figure...... Looks like we're going to get back $100 mil of the $100 bil we pay for Chinese junk each year. Now we're going to help Amerika's greatest potential enemy to wire their schools! At least we could wait until they let us fly our spy plane back to the USA in Russian cargo planes. We've got the Rockies in our head. Rich Martin AOL to set up 200 million dollar joint venture in China: report BEIJING, June 4 (AFP) - America Online Inc. will unveil a 200 million dollar joint venture in China with top Chinese computer maker Legend Holdings next week, the Asian Wall Street Journal reported Monday. The deal between AOL, the world's largest Internet service provider, and Legend was confirmed by a Legend executive and marks AOL's first major foray into the mainland China market, the Journal said. The agreement involves each side contributing 100 million dollars to set up a new company that would develop interactive services for Chinese consumers, the report said. Citing AOL documents dated late last month, the Journal said the two companies will have equal say in management decisions as well as equal board representation. But Legend will own a 52 percent stake in the new venture, reflecting China's restrictions against foreign companies holding a majority ownership in the telecommunications and Internet sectors. Legend is a majority state-owned company which is listed in Hong Kong and has 30 percent of the personal computer market in China. The agreement marks the first step by the Virginia-based Internet unit of AOL Time Warner Inc. toward offering its popular dial-up service and Web portal to China's 22 million online users, the Journal said. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Phyllis Schlafly: Surprise Assault On Gun Ownership (fwd) Date: 11 Jun 2001 19:17:48 -0700 Surprise Assault On Gun Ownership June 6, 2001 by: Phyllis Schlafly The gun-control lobby is on the warpath in a most surprising venue. A group called Doctors Against Handgun Injury is calling on doctors, including psychiatrists, to ask their patients nosy questions about their gun ownership. As far back as we can remember, doctors have vigorously opposed any interference with the confidentiality of the doctor-patient relationship. We could always count on medical associations to defend patient privacy against any invasion by government, the media or others into personal medical records. Psychiatrists have been outspoken in the past about the importance of patient-doctor confidentially because trust in the doctor is particularly important. Their patients are usually in a very vulnerable and exploitable state of mind. Somehow, this is changing under a new onslaught by the gun-control lobby. It has lined up a coalition consisting of the American Psychiatric Association, the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and ten other medical organizations claiming a membership of 600,000 doctors. The Doctors Against Handgun Injury plan to engage in what it calls "upstream intervention." That means using regular medical checkups to ask patients about firearm ownership and storage in their homes and warn them of the risks of this behavior. But that's not all. Doctors Against Handgun Injury is also calling for changes in public policy, such as mandatory background checks on buyers at gun shows, limits on the number of guns an individual can buy, and a waiting period for all gun purchasers. Will patients no longer see their physician as a trusted professional in whom they can confide their most private facts about mind and health? Will the physician instead be perceived as an arm of the government prying into their private lives, or as a spokesman of a special-interest advocacy group pursuing a political agenda? Doctors should be especially leery of this project because of the 20th century experience of medicine under Soviet Communism and Nazism. The Nuremberg War Crimes Trial showed how the German medical profession became a collaborator with the Nazi regime by collecting data on their patients that were then used against them. Unfortunately, some gun-control lawmakers are trying to lock doctors into the ban-the-gun agenda. A bill now under consideration in the California State Legislature would require pediatricians to subject children and their parents to all sorts of nosy questions about "family, environmental, and social risk factors," including whether there are guns in the home and whether their parents spank them. You would think that the American Medical Association (AMA) would be shouting from the housetops against this government and outside interference with private medical practice, but it looks like the AMA has joined the ban-the-guns movement. The AMA uses its publications, including its Journal (JAMA), to publish biased research with preordained conclusions, such as "easy gun availability results in crime." The AMA has plenty of money to pursue its political agenda, which is increasingly left-liberal, and it doesn't have to depend on the support of member doctors. Two-thirds of the AMA's annual $200 million operating budget comes from sources other than membership, which has now dwindled to only a third of U.S. physicians. A principal source of AMA wealth is a contract (kept secret from 1983 to 1998) with the Health Care Financing Administration (HCFA) by which HCFA requires all doctors to buy the AMA codes and use them to bill the government and third-party insurance carriers for all medical services. Failure to use the AMA codes accurately may result in government accusations of fraud and abuse, and prosecution and imprisonment. The taxpayer-financed Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is also climbing aboard the ban-the-guns movement. It is trying to broaden the scope of public health to include the banning and confiscation of all handguns, the restrictive licensing of owners of other firearms, and the eventual elimination of all guns from private ownership except for a small elite of wealthy collectors, hunters and target shooters. CDC spokesmen propagate the myth that most of the perpetrators of violence are ordinary citizens rather than criminals by trade. The fact is that the typical murderer has a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests before he commits murder, and 75 percent of all violent crimes are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders. We don't have to look very far to observe the tragic loss of liberty in countries that have gone down the road of banning private gun ownership or using doctors to collect confidential data on their patients to serve a political agenda. Fortunately, Attorney General John Ashcroft has just reaffirmed the constitutional principle that the Second Amendment "protects the private ownership of firearms for lawful purposes." Phyllis Schlafly column 6-06-01 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Read this column online: http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2001/june01/01-06-06.shtml ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eagle Forum * PO Box 618 * Alton, IL 62002 Phone: 618-462-5415 * Fax: 618-462-8909 http://www.eagleforum.org * eagle@eagleforum.org EAGLE FORUM PO Box 618 Alton, IL 62002 Phone: 618-462-5415 Fax: 618-462-8909 -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Where Have All the Commies Gone? They're Still Here (fwd) Date: 12 Jun 2001 06:10:00 -0700 --------- Forwarded message ---------- WJPBR Email News List WJPBR@AOL.COM Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Where Have All the Commies Gone? They're Still Here Wes Vernon Saturday, June 9, 2001 WASHINGTON Militant Marxists are as active in the U.S. as ever, and are perhaps more influential than ever in our society. The old Soviet Union is gone, but communists in this country did not go away, writes Ronald Radosh in his new book, "Commies." Nor did their allies amongst the socialists and the militants of the "New Left," which was spawned in the sixties. Radosh writes that as a former Communist of the "Old Left" and active militant of the "New Left," he now sees the current "Leftover Left" going strong. The author was a "Red diaper baby," born to Communist parents and following in their footsteps as he grew older. Radosh says, "In its many shifting forms radical feminism, ultra- environmentalism, pro-Arabism, political correctness, the new anarchism this leftover Left has developed new issues and causes, all fought with the same earnestness, arrogance, and thoughtlessness that we brought to the fight for communism and socialism from the 1940's through the 1980's." As yesterday's causes collapsed, Radosh relates, his old friends in "the movement" couldn't admit to themselves they were wrong. Instead, they repeat platitudes about "real" socialism never having been tried because the Soviet Union was the "wrong country." Make no mistake, says this professor who has seen the left from the inside for decades, "Today's Left has no Soviet Union as a beacon, but reflexive hatred of the American system is intact." That could be a warning for parents contemplating sending their children off to college. On many campuses, manifestations of Marxism dominate the political atmosphere. Unlike David Horowitz, whose change of heart was fairly sudden, or Whittaker Chambers, who escaped a Communist spy nest even more abruptly, Radosh's metamorphosis was evolutionary. Over several decades, he appeared to go from hard-left communist to deep-seated socialist to New Left radical to softer radical to soft socialist, to liberal to moderate to neo-conservative. The Rosenberg Spies The main catalyst for his change in worldview was his research on the case of atomic spies Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. He started out thinking he would prove once and for all that the Rosenbergs had been framed. He concluded they had not, and that Julius at least was thoroughly guilty, as charged. When he put his findings in his book "The Rosenberg File," the left lowered the boom and tried to block it as much as possible from reaching the public. Just one negative letter from American historian Richard Drinnon, then teaching at Bucknell University, led the publisher, Vintage Books, to decide to cancel publication. No one on the left protested this form of "blacklisting." Lawyers pointed out that the firm was legally obligated and under contract to publish it. However, the firm was not legally obligated to provide a book tour or publicity campaign, so the book was largely blacked out anyway. Later, when post-Cold War Soviet files were opened, all doubts about the Rosenbergs' guilt was laid to rest. Radosh quotes Thomas Powers, writing in the New York Review of Books, who said, "Soviet spies were of the left generally, they supported liberal causes, they defended the Soviet Union in all circumstances, they were often secret members of the Communist Party." Michael Harrington, the well-known socialist, made a strong effort in the 1970s to bring remnants of the Old Left into a broad socialist movement, including an overture to Dorothy Healey, a leading ex-Communist from Southern California. When she came to New York in 1973, Radosh and his wife put her up in their apartment. They talked long into the night. When Radosh said, "Well, at least the Red-baiters were wrong about the [U.S. Communist Party] getting Moscow gold," Healey's response was, "No, you're wrong. How do you think the CP bought its building [at sky-high Manhattan real estate rates] on West 23rd Street?" On one of her last trips to Moscow for the party, she explained, Healey was "given a suitcase filled with thousands of dollars to smuggle into America, to be used by the CPUSA as they saw fit." Years later when Radosh quoted her in the conservative magazine American Spectator, Healey threatened to sue. Radosh reminded her that his wife was a witness to the conversation and that if she did sue, he would spill the beans on "other things she indiscreetly told me." Harrington tried to meld his far-left coalition into the left wing of the Democratic Party. At the 1980 Democratic National Convention in New York's Madison Square Garden, his Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee set up shop there in its own name and awarded floor passes for its members. Ted Kennedy, the Great White Hope Radosh sat there and watched on TV a convention speech by Ted Kennedy, "whom we regarded as the Democratic party's best hope." Later, Harrington presided over a talk by union leader William (Wimpy) Winpinsinger, who had "declared himself to be a socialist as he became a vice chair of the DSOC." Other speakers included Rep. Ron Dellums, D-Calif., and John Conyers, D-Mich. The latter is now the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee and would become chairman of that panel if the Democrats win back control of the House. Earlier events by the "Democratic socialists," as they called themselves, included a 1976 rally featuring speakers such as Rep. Bella Abzug, D-N.Y., and activist Marion Barry, "the future notorious mayor of Washington, D.C." A later factor in what Radosh calls his "long journey home" focused on the 1980s struggle between the Communist and pro-Castro Sandinista government in Nicaragua and the anti-Communist Contras. The author started out cheering on the Sandinistas, then began urging them to reform (when their brutal police-state tactics became too obvious for him to ignore), then morphed into a plague-on-both-your-houses stance, and ultimately ended up supporting the Contras. Second only to the Rosenberg case, this appears to be the benchmark in Radosh's shift in his worldview. It was then that he began to ask that if the liberal-left activists in the U.S. were so wrong on this issue ("They looked the other way," he writes), then on what other matters were they deceiving themselves. The Clintonistas One unpleasant incident encountered by the author involved Sidney Blumenthal, then a Washington Post reporter and later a hatchet man for the Clinton White House, who used distortion and "slander" to smear Radosh during his trip to Nicaragua. More tidbits from Radosh: Radosh got himself into trouble during the transition period of the incoming Clinton administration in late 1992. He blew the whistle on the publicized (but never officially announced) appointment of Jonetta Cole as secretary of education, "whom I knew to have been an unabashed fellow traveler." After reading the book "The New Socialist Revolution" by Michael Lerner, Radosh began to help organize a West Side (N.Y) chapter of Lerner's New American Movement in 1973. Lerner was later to achieve his 15 minutes of fame as the guru of Hillary Clinton's "politics of meaning." Joan Baez was a heroine of the radial left until she turned on the Communist Hanoi regime for its atrocities. Then her old friends labeled her "an enemy of the people." Bob Dylan, Ed Asner, Mary Travers (Peter, Paul and Mary), Jane Fonda and Bianca Jagger are among the celebrities appearing throughout the book and in one way or another embracing the hard left and promoting its causes. So too are the more notorious Pete Seeger and Paul Robeson. The famous author Irving Howe, a prominent supporter of the African National Congress in South Africa, argued to Radosh that black liberation there had to be "our cause," even if this led "to Communist control." David Gelber, editor of the radical David Dellinger's magazine, Liberation, and staff director for the famed May Day protest demonstration in Washington, would later become news director and producer in major mainstream broadcast outlets. And Fidel Castro's paradise? When Radosh and several of his then fellow leftists visited a Cuban hospital and saw dazed, drugged-out expressions on the faces of the patients, one of them screamed: "This stinks. Lobotomy is a horror!" To which another of the group, Castro loyalist Suzanne Ross, replied, "We have to understand that there are differences between capitalist lobotomies and socialist lobotomies." The examples are endless. Suffice it to say that the left of today is carrying on the work of the left of previous decades. Yes, even without the Soviet Union. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at WJPBR@AOL.COM for a menu of our lists! -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: PRIVACY ALERT: Last chance to block raid on your medical records Date: 13 Jun 2001 00:24:57 -0700 ----- Forwarded message from Privacy News Update ----- =================== PRIVACY NEWS UPDATE Last chance to block the government's raid on your medical records -- including your DNA! =================== You are receiving this update because you registered at http://www.DefendYourPrivacy.com, the site that was instrumental in killing the FDIC's Know Your Customer regulation in 1999. We are writing to notify you that this is your *LAST CHANCE* to stop the new HHS "medical privacy rule," which would allow the government to seize control over your private medical records and transfer them to other parties. However, if you do not want to receive further updates, please use the unsubscribe directions at the end of this message. ================================================== Only three days left to kill Federal anti-privacy regulation Dear Privacy Advocate: We have an urgent request: Please pick up the phone and call Congress today, or the fight for medical privacy could be lost. That is because the Health and Human Services regulation that turns your medical data over to the government will go into effect permanently -- unless Congress passes HJR 38 by Friday, June 15. Please read this short memo, immediately take the action at the bottom, then forward it to others who might be interested. BACKGROUND: On April 14, President Bush quietly directed Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson to impose the so-called "medical privacy regulations" that were originally developed by the Clinton administration. Bush's maneuver came despite the fact that the HHS had been inundated with nearly 100,000 angry letters and e-mails from Americans around the country. The most dangerous aspect of this regulation -- and the one most overlooked in news reports -- is that for the first time the government, rather than patients and doctors, would be in complete control of your private medical records. That's because the regulation forces doctors and hospitals to share all electronic medical records with the government for a variety of vague purposes, such as to "streamline medical billing procedures" or for "public health surveillance." Then the government, rather than individual patients, will decide who gets to see them. No wonder Americans are so worried. This regulation, which was published in the Federal Register on December 28, 2000, would: * Give dozens of government agencies and thousands of bureaucrats access to your medical records -- including the private notes of a psychotherapist -- without your consent. * Let government agencies share your records with marketing companies. The rules specifically allow pharmacies to share prescription records "for the purpose of marketing health-related products and services" without your consent. * Do nothing to prevent the government from accessing your DNA information and transferring it to "third parties." * Permit police agencies to access medical records without a search warrant. * Allow private insurance companies to compile the medical information into a database. * Prevent patients involved in health research projects from accessing their own medical records in some cases. How would you like a prospective employer to know if you have a "genetic predisposition" to contract a serious -- and expensive -- illness? What if an acquaintance who worked for an insurance company or government agency could read the private notes of your psychotherapist, or find out if you have ever undergone drug or alcohol treatment? Would you want others to know whether you've had an abortion or been treated for an embarrassing disease? All of those things could happen if this Clinton-Bush regulation is allowed to stand. That's why it's so important to pick up the phone and call your U.S. representative today. If we can't get Congress to vote on HJR 38 by Friday, you can kiss your medical privacy goodbye! WHAT TO DO: Call your U.S. House representative immediately at 202-225-3121 or 202-224-3121 to request an immediate vote on House Joint Resolution 38 (HJR 38). This measure, sponsored by U.S. Rep. 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Barry Lynn, leader of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, expressed outrage at the Supreme Court's ruling Monday that a Christian youth group must be permitted to hold after-school Bible study classes in a public elementary school. The court ruled, 6-3, that since officials of New York's Milford Central Elementary School allow non-religious civil and social groups to use their buildings after hours, they cannot now close their doors to the singing and praying which the Rev. Stephen Fournier and his wife Darleen proposed to bring to the school's cafeteria in the 3 p.m. meetings of their proposed Christian "Good News Club." Last year, the court ruled a tax-funded Texas high school could not authorize student-led prayers before its football games, lest such sponsorship be read as an endorsement of religion with government funds. But the court drew a distinction Monday between that and the after-hours use of school buildings by private clubs. Students are free to attend or stay away from such after-hours functions, the court ruled; to allow other groups to use the facility while barring religious groups would infringe those religious groups' freedom of speech, discriminating against them purely on religious grounds. The decision is "a terrible mistake," protests the Rev. Lynn. "The court's ruling means aggressive, fundamentalist evangelists have a new way to proselytize kids. I can't imagine most parents will be happy about that." In fact, the court has done just the right thing. Although the name of the Rev. Lynn's group refers to a "separation of church and state," that phrase appears nowhere in the Bill of Rights. What the First Amendment bars the central government from doing is "establishing" any religion. What was the context in which the founding fathers issued that prohibition? They had experienced first-hand a British colonial regime in which the head of the church and the head of the state were one and the same -- King George being referred to even on the coin of the realm not merely as king, but also as "defender of the faith." No, England's religious monopoly was not as harshly enforced as that of Renaissance Spain, in which Jews had to either convert or flee the country, while heretics faced the stake. Nonetheless, William Penn fled to these shores after he was jailed for preaching an illegal Quaker sermon in the streets of London. (The courageous jury refused to convict even when ordered to do so -- in fact, the case established a juror's right and duty to vote his conscience even when in direct opposition to the orders of the court.) And every colonial civil servant understood there were limits to how high he could rise unless he first bowed before the altar of the state-sponsored Church of England. America's founders favored religious pluralism and sectarian tolerance, but gave no indication they wanted the country's youth cut off from religious teachings. (Whether or not to allow religious teachings in the government schools was a question which never arose, of course, since there were no Prussian-style government-funded schools on these shores before the 1850s.) The court is thus well in line with the founders' thinking when it rules there is no state mandate to shield schoolchildren from the possibility of hearing a religious message on their own time, so long as it does not intervene to favor or promote the teachings of one church or religion over any other. Writing for the majority, Justice Clarence Thomas rejected as bizarre the notion that "reliance on Christian principles taints moral and character instruction," a holding in which he was joined by Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justices O'Connor, Scalia, and Kennedy -- with Justice Breyer in concurrence. So long as schools are not permitted to exclude one religious group in favor of another (OK, OK, we are prejudiced against the Thugs and the followers of Kali), the court is on solid ground. In fact, the larger question now becomes: Who on earth are these characters who hold that exposing schoolchildren to religious teachings could "taint" the schools' attempts at "moral and character instruction"; where do the schools imagine they received a mandate to involve themselves in any form of "moral and character instruction" in the first place; and precisely what highly dubious alternative scheme for "moral and character instruction" do they now have in mind? Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Subscribe to his monthly newsletter by sending $72 to Privacy Alert, 1475 Terminal Way, Suite E for Easy, Reno, NV 89502 -- or dialing 775-348-8591. 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The Vinyard is maintained by Michael Voth in Flagstaff, who may be reached directly at mvoth@infomagic.com. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: SENATE VOTES FOR BOY SCOUTS BY ONLY 2 VOTES-6 RINOS VOTE NO! (fwd) Date: 15 Jun 2001 15:56:21 -0700 IT IS TIME TO GET RID OF THE 6 REPUBLICAN "RINO" (REPUBLICANS IN NAME ONLY) SENATORS THAT VOTED AGAINST OUR BOY SCOUTS, ALONG WITH ALL THE DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THEM. THE SENATE SHOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE SCOUTS 100%, NOT JUST BY ONLY 2 VOTES WHAT HAS OUR SENATE COME TO? SAD! HERE ARE THE 6 "RINO" THAT ARE AGAINST OUR SCOUTS: SEN. CHAFEE, S.C. SEN. DEWINE, OK SEN. SPECTER, R.I SEN SNOWE, MD SEN VOINOVICK, OK SEN. HAGEE, NEV. > ROLL CALL VOTES BY EACH SENATOR ARE BELOW. KEEP FOR YOUR RECORDS > DURING ALL 2002 & 2004 SENATE ELECTIONS. CHAR > Write down the liberal votes on this issue and then vote them out. > Lets dump Boxer and Feinstein in California.John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phil Sheldon > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@concentric.net;;; > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:01 PMSubject: The vote to stand for no > intimidation by militant homosexuals to punish boy scouts for not > violating their oath. "Yes" vote was NO to intimidation. Specter votes > "No" > > AP Washington > > Roll Call on Education Amendment > > By The Associated Press > > The 51-49 roll call Thursday by which the Senate voted to withhold > federal funds from school districts that deny use of their facilities > to the Boy Scouts because of the organization's exclusion of > homosexuals. > > A ''yes'' vote was a vote to withhold the fundsand a ''no'' vote was a > vote to not withhold the funds. > > Voting ''yes'' were 8 Democrats and 43 Republicans. > > Voting ''no'' were 42 Democrats and 6 Republicans and one independent. > > Alabama: > > Sessions (R) Yes; Shelby (R) Yes. Alaska: > > Murkowski (R) Yes; Stevens (R) Yes. Arizona: > > Kyl (R) Yes; McCain (R) Yes. Arkansas: > > Hutchinson (R) Yes; Lincoln (D) No. California: > > Boxer (D) No; Feinstein (D) No. Colorado: > > Allard (R) Yes; Campbell (R) Yes. Connecticut: > > Dodd (D) No; Lieberman (D) No. Delaware: > > Biden (D) No; Carper (D) No. Florida: > > Graham (D) No; Nelson (D) No. Georgia: > > Cleland (D) No; Miller (D) Yes. Hawaii: > > Akaka (D) No; Inouye (D) No. Idaho: > > Craig (R) Yes; Crapo (R) Yes. Illinois: > > Durbin (D) No; Fitzgerald (R) Yes. Indiana: > > Bayh (D) No; Lugar (R) Yes. Iowa: > > Grassley (R) Yes; Harkin (D) No. Kansas: > > Brownback (R) Yes; Roberts (R) Yes. Kentucky: > > Bunning (R) Yes; McConnell (R) Yes. Louisiana: > > Breaux (D) Yes; Landrieu (D) No.Maine: > > Collins (R) Yes; Snowe (R) No. Maryland: > > Mikulski (D) No; Sarbanes (D) No. Massachusetts: > > Kennedy (D) No; Kerry (D) No. Michigan: > > Levin (D) No; Stabenow (D) No. Minnesota: > > Dayton (D) No; Wellstone (D) No. Mississippi: > > Cochran (R) Yes; Lott (R) Yes. Missouri: > > Bond (R) Yes; Carnahan (D) Yes. Montana: > > Baucus (D) No; Burns (R) Yes.Nebraska: > > Hagel (R) No; Nelson (D) No. Nevada: > > Ensign (R) Yes; Reid (D) No.New Hampshire: > > Gregg (R) Yes; Smith (R) Yes. New Jersey: > > Corzine (D) No; Torricelli (D) No. New Mexico: > > Bingaman (D) No; Domenici (R) Yes.New York: > > Clinton (D) No; Schumer (D) No. North Carolina: > > Edwards (D) No; Helms (R) Yes. North Dakota: > > Conrad (D) Yes; Dorgan (D) Yes. Ohio: > > DeWine (R) No; Voinovich (R) No. Oklahoma: > > Inhofe (R) Yes; Nickles (R) Yes. Oregon: > > Smith (R) Yes; Wyden (D) No.Pennsylvania: > > Santorum (R) Yes; Specter (R) No. Rhode Island: > > Chafee (R) No; Reed (D) No. South Carolina: > > Hollings (D) Yes; Thurmond (R) Yes. South Dakota: > > Daschle (D) No; Johnson (D) Yes. Tennessee: > > Frist (R) Yes; Thompson (R) Yes. Texas: > > Gramm (R) Yes; Hutchison (R) Yes. Utah: > > Bennett (R) Yes; Hatch (R) Yes. Vermont: > > Jeffords (I) No; Leahy (D) No. Virginia: > > Allen (R) Yes; Warner (R) Yes. Washington: > > Cantwell (D) No; Murray (D) No. West Virginia: > > Byrd (D) Yes; Rockefeller (D) No. Wisconsin: > > Feingold (D) No; Kohl (D) No. Wyoming: > > Enzi (R) Yes; Thomas (R) Yes. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: THIS from a Kali Politico!?!? (fwd) Date: 15 Jun 2001 15:57:22 -0700 No link, off subguns. Uplifting, articulate stuff, but waaaay too late: Freedom and Firearms A Speech to the 2nd Annual Western Conservative Conference in Los Angeles by Tom McClintock, June 9, 2001 There are two modern views of government that begin from entirely different premises. There is the 18th Century American view propounded by our nation's founders. They believed, and formed a government based upon that belief, that each of us is endowed by our creator with certain rights that cannot be alienated, and that governments are instituted to protect those rights. This view is proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence and reflected in the American Bill of Rights. The second view is 19th Century German in origin and expressed in the philosophies of Marx and Hegel and Nietzsche. It is a restatement of philosophies of absolutism that have plagued mankind for millennia. In this view, rights come not from God, but from the state. What rights you have are there because government has given them to you, all for the greater good-defined, of course, by government. In the 20 years I have been actively engaged in public policy, I have seen the growing influence of this 19th Century German view. It disdains the view of the American Founders. It rejects the notion of inalienable rights endowed equally to every human being by the "laws of nature and of nature's God." In this view, it is the state, and not the individual, where rights are vested. I mention this, because of a debate that occurred last week on the floor of the State Senate. It was a debate that occurred under the portrait of George Washington and the gold-emblazoned motto, "Senatoris Est Civitatis Libertatum Tueri"-"The Senators protect the Liberty of the Citizens." At issue was a measure, SB 52, which will require a state-issued license to own a firearm for self-defense. To receive a license, you would have to meet a series of tests, costs and standards set by the state. We have seen many bills considered and adopted that would infringe upon the right of a free people to bear arms. But this was the most brazen attempt in this legislature to claim that the very right of self-defense is not an inalienable natural right at all, but is rather a right that is licensed from government; a right that no longer belongs to you, but to your betters, who will license you to exercise that right at their discretion. During the debate on this measure, which passed the Senate 25 to 15, I raised these issues. And I would like to quote to you the response of Senator Sheila Kuehl, to the approving nods of the Senators whose duty is to protect the liberty of the citizens. She said, "There is only one constitutional right in the United States which is absolute and that is your right to believe anything you want." I want to focus on that statement. "The only constitutional right which is absolute is your right to believe anything you want." Now, compare that to the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." What rights have a slave? There is only one: a slave can think anything he wants: as long as he doesn't utter it or act on it-he may think what he wants. He has no right to the fruit of his labor; no right to self-defense, no right to raise his children, no right to contract with others for his betterment, no right to worship-except as his master allows. He has only the right to his own thoughts. All other rights are at the sufferance of his master-whether that master is a state or an owner. Now, let us continue to look at this new constitutional principle propounded by Senator Kuehl, under the portrait of George Washington to the delight of her colleagues whose duty, according to the proud words above them, is to "Protect the Liberty of the Citizens." She continued, "Other than that, (the right to your own thoughts) government has the ability to say on behalf of all the people-I will put it in the colloquial way as my grandmother used to-your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins. It's a balance of your rights and my rights because we all have constitutional rights. And the question for government is how do we balance those rights?" Indeed, the right to swing your fist does end where my nose begins. An excellent analogy. Shall we therefore amputate your fist so that you can never strike my nose? And would you deny me the use of my own fist to protect my nose? Senator Kuehl and her colleagues believe government has the legitimate authority to do so. It is simply the question of balancing. It is very important that we understand precisely what Senator Kuehl and the Left are saying. A thief balances your right to your wallet against his right to eat. A murderer balances your right to life against his right to freedom. A master balances your right to "work and toil and make bread," against his right to eat it. These are matters of balance. The American view is quite different. In the view of the American Founders, the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God endow each of us with rights that are inalienable, and we are each equal in those rights. It is not a balancing act. These rights are absolute. They cannot be alienated. But in a state of nature, there are predators who would deny us those rights. And thus we come together to preserve our freedom. In the American view, the only legitimate exercise of force by one person over another, or by one government over its people, is "to secure these rights." Senator Kuehl continues, "My right to defend myself in the home does not extend to my owning a tank, though that would make sense to me, perhaps, that no one would attack my home if I had a tank sitting in the living room." Let us put aside, for a moment, the obvious fact that a tank is only an instrument of self-defense against a power that employs a tank. But let us turn to the more reasonable side of her argument: that rights can be constrained by government; that there is, after all, "no right to shout 'fire' in a crowded theater. How can a right be absolute and yet constrained by government? To Senator Kuehl and the Left, the answer is simply, "it's easy-whenever we say so." Or, in her words, "government has the ability to say (so) on behalf of all the people." The American Founders had a different view, also, not surprisingly, diametrically opposed to Senator Kuehl's way of thinking. The right is absolute. In a free nation, government has no authority to forbid me from speaking because I might shout "fire" in a crowded theater. Government has no authority to forbid me from using my fist to defend myself because I might also use it to strike your nose. And government has no authority to forbid me from owning a firearm because I might shoot an innocent victim. Government is there to assure that the full force of the law can be brought against me if I discharge that right in a manner that threatens the rights of others. It does not have the authority to deny me those very rights for fear I might misuse them. Senator Kuehl continues, "In my opinion, this bill is one of those balances. It does not say you cannot have a gun. It does not say you cannot defend yourself. It says if you are going to be owning and handling and using a dangerous item you need to know how to use it, and you need to prove that you know how to use it by becoming licensed." How reasonable. How reassuring. How despotic. We must understand what they are arguing, because it is chilling. They are arguing that any of our most precious rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights-any at least they decide are conceivably dangerous-may only be extended through the license of the government. If that is the case, they are not rights. With that one despotic principle, you have just dissolved the foundation of the entire Bill of Rights. You have created a society where your only right is to your own thoughts. Inalienable rights are now alienated to government, and government may extend or refuse them upon its whim-or more precisely, upon a balancing act to be decided by government. Let us follow-in our minds at least-a little farther down this path. Hate groups publish newsletters to disseminate their hatred and racism. Sick individuals in our society act upon this hatred. The Oklahoma City bombing killed scores of innocent children. Shouldn't we license printing presses and Internet sites to prevent the pathology of hate from spreading? Such an act doesn't say you cannot have a press. It does not say you cannot express yourself. It says if you are going to be owning and handling a printing press, you should know what not to say and prove that you can restrain yourself by becoming licensed. And what are we to do about rogue religions like those that produced Heaven's Gate and Jonestown. How many people around the world are killed by acts of religious fanaticism every year? Should we not license the legitimate churches? Such an act doesn't say you cannot have a church. It does not say you cannot worship. It says if you are going to be running and conducting a church, that you must know how to worship and prove that you know how by becoming licensed. The only right you have is the right to believe anything you want. The only right of a slave. The rest is negotiable-or to use the new word, "balanceable." In 1838, a 29 year old Abraham Lincoln posed the question for which he would ultimately give his life. Years later, he would debate Stephen Douglas, who argued that freedom and slavery were a matter of political balance. But in this speech, he spoke to the larger question that we must now confront: "Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step over the ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!-All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a Thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide." The American Founders worried about the same thing. Late in life, Jefferson wrote to Adams, "Yes we did create a near perfect union; but will they keep it, or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom. Material abundance is the surest path to destruction." And as I listened to Senator Kuehl proclaim that "the only constitutional right in the United States which is absolute... is your right to believe anything you want," and as I gazed at the portrait of George Washington, and as I thought about the solemn words, "the Senators Protect the Liberty of the Citizens," I couldn't help but think of an aide to George Washington by the name of James McHenry, who accompanied the General as they departed Independence Hall the day the Constitution was born. He recorded this encounter between Benjamin Franklin and a Mrs. Powell. She asked, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" Answered Dr. Franklin, "A republic, madam, if you can keep it." For this generation, that is no longer a hypothetical question. History warns us that to one generation in five falls the duty-the highest duty and the most difficult duty of this Republic-to preserve the liberty of the citizens. It is the most difficult, because as Lincoln warned, it is a threat that springs up not on a foreign shore where we can see it-it springs up amongst us. It cannot be defeated by force of arms. It must be defeated by reason. Have you noticed yet, that ours is that generation? And how ironic it would be that the freedoms won with the blood of Washington's troops, and defended by so many who followed, should be voluntarily thrown away piece by piece by a generation that had become so dull and careless and pampered and uncaring that it lost the memory of freedom. The Athenian Democracy had a word for "citizen" that survives in our language today. "Politikos." Politician. The Athenians believed that a free people who declare themselves citizens assume a duty to declare themselves politicians at the same time. It is time we took that responsibility very seriously. In 1780, the tide had turned in the American Revolution, and the Founders began to sense the freedom that was within sight. John Adams wrote these words to his wife that spring. He said, "The science of government it is my duty to study, more than all other sciences; the arts of legislation and administration and negotiation ought to take the place of, indeed exclude, in a manner, all other arts. I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. Our sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history and naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry and porcelain." Ladies and gentlemen, the debate is not about guns. It is about freedom. And the wheel has come full circle. Our generation must study politics that we may restore the liberty that our parents and grandparents expect us to pass on to our children and grandchildren. If we fail, what history will demand of our children and grandchildren, in a society where their only right is to their own thoughts, is simply unthinkable. And be assured, history will find it unforgivable. A generation that is handed the most precious gift in all the universe-freedom-and throws it away-deserves to be reviled by every generation that follows-and will be, even though the only right left to them is their own thoughts. But if we succeed in this struggle, we will know the greatest joy of all-the joy of watching our grandchildren secure with the blessings of liberty, studying arts and literature in a free nation and under God's grace, once again. Ladies and Gentlemen, isn't that worth devoting the rest of our lives to achieve? (c) 2001 Tom McClintock for State Senate 1121 11th Street, Suite 216, Sacramento, California 95814 916-448-9321, Fax 916-456-3279, E-Mail: tom@tommcclintock.com -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Kruse Sun Oklahoma SSE Subject: Re: SENATE VOTES FOR BOY SCOUTS BY ONLY 2 VOTES-6 RINOS VOTE NO! (fwd) Date: 16 Jun 2001 11:33:35 -0500 (CDT) Not criticism here, just an observation: In the report below, the following was presented: > DeWine (R) No; Voinovich (R) No. Oklahoma: > > Inhofe (R) Yes; Nickles (R) Yes. Oregon: I don't know where DeWine and Voinovich hail from (I suppose I could have looked them up, but did not), but Senators Nickles and Inhofe represent OKLAHOMA, not OREGON. Please, let's make sure we disseminate correct information here... Best Regards. Rick Kruse Oklahoma "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" -- Aristotle >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:19:07 +0000 >From: "Charles C. Carter" >Subject: SENATE VOTES FOR BOY SCOUTS BY ONLY 2 VOTES-6 RINOS VOTE NO! > >IT IS TIME TO GET RID OF THE 6 REPUBLICAN "RINO" (REPUBLICANS IN NAME >ONLY) SENATORS THAT VOTED AGAINST OUR BOY SCOUTS, ALONG WITH ALL THE >DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THEM. THE SENATE SHOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE >SCOUTS 100%, NOT JUST BY ONLY 2 VOTES WHAT HAS OUR SENATE COME TO? >SAD! >HERE ARE THE 6 "RINO" THAT ARE AGAINST OUR SCOUTS: > >SEN. CHAFEE, S.C. SEN. DEWINE, OK SEN. SPECTER, R.I >SEN SNOWE, MD SEN VOINOVICK, OK SEN. HAGEE, NEV. > >> ROLL CALL VOTES BY EACH SENATOR ARE BELOW. KEEP FOR YOUR RECORDS >> DURING ALL 2002 & 2004 SENATE ELECTIONS. CHAR > >> Write down the liberal votes on this issue and then vote them out. >> Lets dump Boxer and Feinstein in California.John >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Phil Sheldon >> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@concentric.net;;; >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:01 PMSubject: The vote to stand for no >> intimidation by militant homosexuals to punish boy scouts for not >> violating their oath. "Yes" vote was NO to intimidation. Specter votes >> "No" >> >> AP Washington >> >> Roll Call on Education Amendment >> >> By The Associated Press >> >> The 51-49 roll call Thursday by which the Senate voted to withhold >> federal funds from school districts that deny use of their facilities >> to the Boy Scouts because of the organization's exclusion of >> homosexuals. >> >> A ''yes'' vote was a vote to withhold the fundsand a ''no'' vote was a >> vote to not withhold the funds. >> >> Voting ''yes'' were 8 Democrats and 43 Republicans. >> >> Voting ''no'' were 42 Democrats and 6 Republicans and one independent. >> >> Alabama: >> >> Sessions (R) Yes; Shelby (R) Yes. Alaska: >> >> Murkowski (R) Yes; Stevens (R) Yes. Arizona: >> >> Kyl (R) Yes; McCain (R) Yes. Arkansas: >> >> Hutchinson (R) Yes; Lincoln (D) No. California: >> >> Boxer (D) No; Feinstein (D) No. Colorado: >> >> Allard (R) Yes; Campbell (R) Yes. Connecticut: >> >> Dodd (D) No; Lieberman (D) No. Delaware: >> >> Biden (D) No; Carper (D) No. Florida: >> >> Graham (D) No; Nelson (D) No. Georgia: >> >> Cleland (D) No; Miller (D) Yes. Hawaii: >> >> Akaka (D) No; Inouye (D) No. Idaho: >> >> Craig (R) Yes; Crapo (R) Yes. Illinois: >> >> Durbin (D) No; Fitzgerald (R) Yes. Indiana: >> >> Bayh (D) No; Lugar (R) Yes. Iowa: >> >> Grassley (R) Yes; Harkin (D) No. Kansas: >> >> Brownback (R) Yes; Roberts (R) Yes. Kentucky: >> >> Bunning (R) Yes; McConnell (R) Yes. Louisiana: >> >> Breaux (D) Yes; Landrieu (D) No.Maine: >> >> Collins (R) Yes; Snowe (R) No. Maryland: >> >> Mikulski (D) No; Sarbanes (D) No. Massachusetts: >> >> Kennedy (D) No; Kerry (D) No. Michigan: >> >> Levin (D) No; Stabenow (D) No. Minnesota: >> >> Dayton (D) No; Wellstone (D) No. Mississippi: >> >> Cochran (R) Yes; Lott (R) Yes. Missouri: >> >> Bond (R) Yes; Carnahan (D) Yes. Montana: >> >> Baucus (D) No; Burns (R) Yes.Nebraska: >> >> Hagel (R) No; Nelson (D) No. Nevada: >> >> Ensign (R) Yes; Reid (D) No.New Hampshire: >> >> Gregg (R) Yes; Smith (R) Yes. New Jersey: >> >> Corzine (D) No; Torricelli (D) No. New Mexico: >> >> Bingaman (D) No; Domenici (R) Yes.New York: >> >> Clinton (D) No; Schumer (D) No. North Carolina: >> >> Edwards (D) No; Helms (R) Yes. North Dakota: >> >> Conrad (D) Yes; Dorgan (D) Yes. Ohio: >> >> DeWine (R) No; Voinovich (R) No. Oklahoma: >> >> Inhofe (R) Yes; Nickles (R) Yes. Oregon: >> >> Smith (R) Yes; Wyden (D) No.Pennsylvania: >> >> Santorum (R) Yes; Specter (R) No. Rhode Island: >> >> Chafee (R) No; Reed (D) No. South Carolina: >> >> Hollings (D) Yes; Thurmond (R) Yes. South Dakota: >> >> Daschle (D) No; Johnson (D) Yes. Tennessee: >> >> Frist (R) Yes; Thompson (R) Yes. Texas: >> >> Gramm (R) Yes; Hutchison (R) Yes. Utah: >> >> Bennett (R) Yes; Hatch (R) Yes. Vermont: >> >> Jeffords (I) No; Leahy (D) No. Virginia: >> >> Allen (R) Yes; Warner (R) Yes. Washington: >> >> Cantwell (D) No; Murray (D) No. West Virginia: >> >> Byrd (D) Yes; Rockefeller (D) No. Wisconsin: >> >> Feingold (D) No; Kohl (D) No. Wyoming: >> >> Enzi (R) Yes; Thomas (R) Yes. > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Re: SENATE VOTES FOR BOY SCOUTS BY ONLY 2 VOTES-6 RINOS VOTE Date: 17 Jun 2001 16:34:53 -0400 The information was presented correctly, the format was a little confusing since the state appeared on the previous line that contained the Senators names. Look at the beginning of the list and you'll see how it works out. Regards, Tom At 11:33 AM 6/16/01 -0500, you wrote: >Not criticism here, just an observation: > > >In the report below, the following was presented: > > > DeWine (R) No; Voinovich (R) No. Oklahoma: > > > > Inhofe (R) Yes; Nickles (R) Yes. Oregon: > > >I don't know where DeWine and Voinovich hail from (I suppose I could have >looked them up, but did not), but Senators Nickles and Inhofe represent >OKLAHOMA, not OREGON. > >Please, let's make sure we disseminate correct information here... > >Best Regards. > >Rick Kruse >Oklahoma > > > "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought > without accepting it" -- Aristotle > > > > >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:19:07 +0000 > >From: "Charles C. Carter" > >Subject: SENATE VOTES FOR BOY SCOUTS BY ONLY 2 VOTES-6 RINOS VOTE NO! > > > >IT IS TIME TO GET RID OF THE 6 REPUBLICAN "RINO" (REPUBLICANS IN NAME > >ONLY) SENATORS THAT VOTED AGAINST OUR BOY SCOUTS, ALONG WITH ALL THE > >DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THEM. THE SENATE SHOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE > >SCOUTS 100%, NOT JUST BY ONLY 2 VOTES WHAT HAS OUR SENATE COME TO? > >SAD! > >HERE ARE THE 6 "RINO" THAT ARE AGAINST OUR SCOUTS: > > > >SEN. CHAFEE, S.C. SEN. DEWINE, OK SEN. SPECTER, R.I > >SEN SNOWE, MD SEN VOINOVICK, OK SEN. HAGEE, NEV. > > > >> ROLL CALL VOTES BY EACH SENATOR ARE BELOW. KEEP FOR YOUR RECORDS > >> DURING ALL 2002 & 2004 SENATE ELECTIONS. CHAR > > > >> Write down the liberal votes on this issue and then vote them out. > >> Lets dump Boxer and Feinstein in California.John > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Phil Sheldon > >> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@concentric.net;;; > >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:01 PMSubject: The vote to stand for no > >> intimidation by militant homosexuals to punish boy scouts for not > >> violating their oath. "Yes" vote was NO to intimidation. Specter votes > >> "No" > >> > >> AP Washington > >> > >> Roll Call on Education Amendment > >> > >> By The Associated Press > >> > >> The 51-49 roll call Thursday by which the Senate voted to withhold > >> federal funds from school districts that deny use of their facilities > >> to the Boy Scouts because of the organization's exclusion of > >> homosexuals. > >> > >> A ''yes'' vote was a vote to withhold the fundsand a ''no'' vote was a > >> vote to not withhold the funds. > >> > >> Voting ''yes'' were 8 Democrats and 43 Republicans. > >> > >> Voting ''no'' were 42 Democrats and 6 Republicans and one independent. > >> > >> Alabama: > >> > >> Sessions (R) Yes; Shelby (R) Yes. Alaska: > >> > >> Murkowski (R) Yes; Stevens (R) Yes. Arizona: > >> > >> Kyl (R) Yes; McCain (R) Yes. Arkansas: > >> > >> Hutchinson (R) Yes; Lincoln (D) No. California: > >> > >> Boxer (D) No; Feinstein (D) No. Colorado: > >> > >> Allard (R) Yes; Campbell (R) Yes. Connecticut: > >> > >> Dodd (D) No; Lieberman (D) No. Delaware: > >> > >> Biden (D) No; Carper (D) No. Florida: > >> > >> Graham (D) No; Nelson (D) No. Georgia: > >> > >> Cleland (D) No; Miller (D) Yes. Hawaii: > >> > >> Akaka (D) No; Inouye (D) No. Idaho: > >> > >> Craig (R) Yes; Crapo (R) Yes. Illinois: > >> > >> Durbin (D) No; Fitzgerald (R) Yes. Indiana: > >> > >> Bayh (D) No; Lugar (R) Yes. Iowa: > >> > >> Grassley (R) Yes; Harkin (D) No. Kansas: > >> > >> Brownback (R) Yes; Roberts (R) Yes. Kentucky: > >> > >> Bunning (R) Yes; McConnell (R) Yes. Louisiana: > >> > >> Breaux (D) Yes; Landrieu (D) No.Maine: > >> > >> Collins (R) Yes; Snowe (R) No. Maryland: > >> > >> Mikulski (D) No; Sarbanes (D) No. Massachusetts: > >> > >> Kennedy (D) No; Kerry (D) No. Michigan: > >> > >> Levin (D) No; Stabenow (D) No. Minnesota: > >> > >> Dayton (D) No; Wellstone (D) No. Mississippi: > >> > >> Cochran (R) Yes; Lott (R) Yes. Missouri: > >> > >> Bond (R) Yes; Carnahan (D) Yes. Montana: > >> > >> Baucus (D) No; Burns (R) Yes.Nebraska: > >> > >> Hagel (R) No; Nelson (D) No. Nevada: > >> > >> Ensign (R) Yes; Reid (D) No.New Hampshire: > >> > >> Gregg (R) Yes; Smith (R) Yes. New Jersey: > >> > >> Corzine (D) No; Torricelli (D) No. New Mexico: > >> > >> Bingaman (D) No; Domenici (R) Yes.New York: > >> > >> Clinton (D) No; Schumer (D) No. North Carolina: > >> > >> Edwards (D) No; Helms (R) Yes. North Dakota: > >> > >> Conrad (D) Yes; Dorgan (D) Yes. Ohio: > >> > >> DeWine (R) No; Voinovich (R) No. Oklahoma: > >> > >> Inhofe (R) Yes; Nickles (R) Yes. Oregon: > >> > >> Smith (R) Yes; Wyden (D) No.Pennsylvania: > >> > >> Santorum (R) Yes; Specter (R) No. Rhode Island: > >> > >> Chafee (R) No; Reed (D) No. South Carolina: > >> > >> Hollings (D) Yes; Thurmond (R) Yes. South Dakota: > >> > >> Daschle (D) No; Johnson (D) Yes. Tennessee: > >> > >> Frist (R) Yes; Thompson (R) Yes. Texas: > >> > >> Gramm (R) Yes; Hutchison (R) Yes. Utah: > >> > >> Bennett (R) Yes; Hatch (R) Yes. Vermont: > >> > >> Jeffords (I) No; Leahy (D) No. Virginia: > >> > >> Allen (R) Yes; Warner (R) Yes. Washington: > >> > >> Cantwell (D) No; Murray (D) No. West Virginia: > >> > >> Byrd (D) Yes; Rockefeller (D) No. Wisconsin: > >> > >> Feingold (D) No; Kohl (D) No. Wyoming: > >> > >> Enzi (R) Yes; Thomas (R) Yes. > > > >-- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! > >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no > >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his > >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a > >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ > >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > > > > Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >- > > > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: zero tolerance for zero tolerance (fwd) Date: 22 Jun 2001 17:11:15 -0700 ] Fwd: [Liberty Outlook] Zero tolerance for zero tolerance Reply-to: concealcarry@yahoogroups.com >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 06:39:29 -0700 >Reply-To: liberty_outlook@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Liberty Outlook] Zero tolerance for zero tolerance > >"...why can't they play as children have played throughout history?" > >Because we live down the rabbit hole, in an age of insane PC BS? > >Mark Laythorpe >http://www.sdlp.org/ >Editor, SDLP Newsletter "Liberty!" >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/liberty_outlook >_______________________________________________________ > >NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, >this material is distributed, without profit, for research or >educational purposes to those who have expressed a prior interest. > >http://civilliberty.about.com/newsissues/civilliberty/library/weekly/aa0= 6200 >1a.htm > >Dateline: 6/20/01 > >Zero tolerance for zero tolerance >Parents and politicians are nursing belated doubts about rigid school >discipline >By J.D. Tuccille > >Have you ever stared in horror from the passenger seat of a friend's car= as >he blissfully guided the two of you into oncoming headlights, spaced out= to >the point that he's oblivious to your shouted warnings of impending doom= ? At >the last moment he yanks the steering wheel to the right, averting >catastrophe. "Damn," he says. "Why didn't you say we were about to crash= ?" > >Well, that's how a lot of people feel about the growing realization that >zero-tolerance policies in the public schools have been a disaster. "Wow= ," >parents and politicians chirp as eight-year-olds are hauled off in handc= uffs >for playing cops-and-robbers in school. "Maybe busting tots for innocent >play isn't the way to go. Who'd've thunk?" > >Oh please. Hand over the steering wheel, already. > >Here in the middle of another June, many parents, school administrators = and >journalists are looking back at a school year strewn with the wreckage o= f >young lives and the further deterioration of public education into a >national concentration camp for those too young to vote. To many, it's >all-too-apparent that this is not a pleasant vista. Even through the >rose-colored glasses donned by adults who no longer have to shuffle from >class to class by the dictates of a bell, youth no longer looks fun. > >How can being a child be fun when eight-year-old Hamadi Alston and his >friend Jaquill Shelton of Irvington, New Jersey, faced arrest and prosec= utio >n for playing with a paper gun? > >They were spared actual trials only by a judge with a modicum of common >sense. > >The Washington Post quoted Keith Harvest, the prosecutor in the case, as >saying: "They have to realize they can't act like that anymore." > >Really? And why can't they play as children have played throughout histo= ry? > >Upset by officials' conduct in the case, Irwin Hyman, a Temple Universit= y >school psychology professor, suggests: "This can destroy their confidenc= e in >authority and can turn them off to school for life." > >Hyman isn't actually recommending that Hamadi and Jaquill turn against t= he >authorities and schools, but that would indeed be a healthy lesson. The = only >good thing that could come from this case would be for the boys to gain = a >jaundiced view of officialdom and a preference for educating their own >children in the years to come through any means other than the public >schools. > >But that's the future and this is now, and right now, angry parents in L= os >Angeles have had enough of fences, metal detectors and pat-down searches. >According to the Los Angeles Times, a lawsuit has been filed by the pare= nts >of eight students at Locke High School with the assistance of the ACLU. > >At Locke, campus staff and security guards use metal detector wands, pat >students down and inspect backpacks, purses and other belongings, accord= ing >to the suit. In addition, the suit alleges that adult males at times sea= rch >female students in violation of school district policy. > >The announced purpose of the searches is to deter students from bringing >weapons to school =E2=80=94 though not one gun has been found since the = policy was >implemented. Officials might claim that's because the searches are doing >their jobs, but that's not the case. Los Angeles Times columnist Steve L= opez >visited the school himself to check on conditions. > >When I had a chance, I circled the perimeter of Locke High. Students had >told me that getting a gun on campus did not take any great work of geni= us. >... >Along this route, I saw roughly 6 million places to stash a knife or a g= un. >There are places where, if you wanted, you could park a cannon. > >Is that really a surprise? Prisoners in high-security lock-ups manage to >make or smuggle weapons on a regular basis, even though they're confined= to >institutions where most of their rights have been suspended. Public high >schools can't be expected to do better with kids who come and go every d= ay. > >It's something of a mystery that schools even try. As Kathryn Chandler o= f >the National Center for Education Statistics told the Washington Post, >"violence in schools is a rare event." > >Not only is schoolyard violence rare, it's been declining in frequency, = no >matter the occasional horrible headline. Columbine and similar bloody >eruptions justifiably horrify people, but basing school policies on such >incidents is as rational as planning your retirement around the expectat= ion >of winning the lottery. > >Of course, in a litigious age, school administrators want to shield >themselves from expensive lawsuits. Subjecting children to police-state >tactics can be an effective tactic for convincing judges and juries that >everything possible has been done to weed out the bad seeds, should the >worst happen. > >But the American Bar Association recently passed a resolution condemning >zero-tolerance policies in schools. That means that the very folks from = whom >educational pencil pushers are trying to insulate themselves are on reco= rd >as rejecting the chosen means of insulation. > >Hey, we warned you about those oncoming headlights. > > =C2=A9 2001 About.com, Inc. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >http://washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A21476-2001Jun19?language=3Dprinter > >Wednesday, June 20, 2001; Page A03 > >2 Boys, a Paper Gun And a Heap of Trouble >Zero-Tolerance Policies Out of Hand, Critics Say >By Christine Haughney >Washington Post Staff Writer > >IRVINGTON, N.J. -- When 8-year-old Hamadi Alston pointed a paper gun at = his >classmates in March and announced, "I'm going to kill you all," he said = he >was only playing cops and robbers. But his words launched him and a >classmate on a grim trip through the juvenile justice system. > >Police charged the boys with making "terroristic threats." A judge >ultimately dismissed the case, but the incident may remain in court reco= rds >until the boys are 18. > >"I learned that you can't play cowboys and Indians," Hamadi said as he s= pun >in his attorney's stuffed conference room chair and gripped a plastic cu= p >between his teeth. > >That is a lesson being delivered in more and more schools as officials >institute zero-tolerance policies that include turning children over to = the >criminal justice system for punishment of what was once seen as childhoo= d >play. > >Critics say the treatment of Alston and his classmate -- 8-year-old Jaqu= ill >Shelton, who was accused of giving Hamadi the paper weapon -- is a >nationwide trend that tags children with undeserved criminal records. Th= ey >say the efforts reflect a misguided reaction to the wave of school shoot= ings >across the United States. > >"The message has gone out: 'Don't joke about threats in school,' " said >Ronald Stephens, executive director of the National School Safety Center= in >Westlake Village, Calif. "But 8 years old is awfully young." > >Nationwide, 41 percent of elementary school principals reported less-ser= ious >violent and nonviolent crimes to police during the 1996-97 school year, >according to the Department of Education. A growing number of law >enforcement officers refer those cases to the courts. The most recent FB= I >statistics show a 33 percent jump in court referrals for children under = the >age of 13 between 1988 and 1997, according to Howard Snyder, systems >research director of the National Center for Juvenile Justice. > >Most of these cases involve minor crimes such as theft, said Kathryn >Chandler, a statistician with the National Center for Education Statisti= cs. >"Violence in schools is a rare event." > >School administrators in Irvington say they had no choice but to have th= e >children arrested and charged. An agreement between county education and= law >enforcement officials requires schools to immediately notify police when= a >student is believed to have made a threat, said Ethel Davion, the school >system's assistant superintendent for academic affairs. > >"They have to realize they can't act like that anymore. You never know w= hen >one is going to be serious and carry it out," said Keith Harvest, an Ess= ex >County assistant prosecutor who handled the case of the paper gun. > >And, however Draconian they are, such policies will prevent the sort of >school violence that claimed 31 lives nationwide last school year, offic= ials >said. > >"I feel very sorry for what those two boys had to endure," said Andrea >McElroy, Irvington's school board president. "They were children playing= a >child's game. Unfortunately for everyone, the wrong words were used." > >Some analysts and educators believe, however, that Irvington officials >exposed Hamadi and Jaquill to needless trauma. "These kids are now known= as >the kids who were arrested and charged with a terroristic threat," said >Jason Ziedenberg, a senior policy analyst with the Justice Policy Instit= ute. > >"This can destroy their confidence in authority and can turn them off to >school for life," said Irwin Hyman, a Temple University school psycholog= y >professor who has counseled children involved in these cases. > >The American Bar Association passed a resolution in February opposing >zero-tolerance policies that mandate "expulsion or referral of students = to >juvenile criminal court." The report, which notes that many of these cas= es >end up in criminal court, shows that several have resulted in jail time. > >"Enough is enough," said Robert Schwartz, an attorney with the Education= Law >Center in Philadelphia who pushed for the resolution. "It's unfortunate = that >administrators believe federal law requires them to arrest kids for thin= gs >that they say." > >Following passage of the Gun-Free Schools Act in 1994, states were requi= red, >in return for federal funding, to design laws to expel students for one = year >if they are caught bringing weapons to school. > >States drafted laws with various definitions of weapons and lengths of >expulsion. Some school boards established their own policies, creating a >quilt of sometimes overlapping regulations. > >At Augusta Street Elementary School, which Hamadi and Jaquill attend, Da= vion >noted five policies that substitute principal Margaret George had to fol= low >upon receiving word of the threat and finding a weapon -- even a paper >weapon -- in school. > >"We're not above federal and state law," she said. "We're following poli= cy. >That's the basis of a good school system." > >Still, there's the decision to treat a paper gun as an actual weapon. Th= e >boys' parents say that they don't even let their sons play with toy guns. > >"We're talking about 8 years old with a piece of notebook paper," said >Ronald Alston, Hamadi's father. > >The case, they say, began somewhere between the boys' bathroom and their >second-grade classroom. The boys -- both honor roll students -- discover= ed a >piece of lined paper so well folded into a gun that their parents believ= e it >could only have been the creation of an older child. > >According to a police report that lists Hamadi's height as "four feet fo= ur >inches" and his facial hair as "not applicable," Hamadi intimidated his >classmates by holding a paper gun in his right hand and threatening to k= ill >them. When a teacher's aide asked him about the paper gun, he told her i= t >belonged to Jaquill. > >The threat and the paper gun prompted George to follow steps laid out in= the >school's weapons and violence procedures. She called the Irvington polic= e, >the superintendent's office and the children's parents. > >The police arrived and took away the boys, their parents and the paper g= un. >The boys spent the next four hours in the precinct under arrest and the = next >day in juvenile court. > >The police said they too had little choice in the matter. "When they han= d >them over to us, we have little recourse except to file the charges and = let >the judge figure it out," said Irvington police chief Steven Palamara. > >Since the school district introduced a zero-tolerance policy in December= , >the police department has received as many as four calls a week from the >city's eight elementary schools. The calls have dropped to about one a w= eek >since the paper gun incident. Palamara's officers have been resolving mi= nor >cases themselves -- such as one involving a child who brought a water gu= n to >school. But they say that they must check most cases with the local >prosecutor. > >Each time there's a school shooting elsewhere, Harvest said, Irvington >schools refer more cases to the prosecutor's office. "They're not taking= the >time to make those judgment calls anymore," he said. > >In Hamadi's and Jaquill's case, the prosecutor recommended that the judg= e >drop the case and refer the boys to a probation officer. But the boys' >attorneys said the probation hearing dragged on because the boys would n= ot >say that they had done something wrong. > >"In their mind, all [they] did was play with some paper," said Ronald >Alston. > >Other parents are divided over the matter. They praised the school's tou= gh >policies even as they called the treatment extreme. "I love this school,= " >said Brenda Cummings, whose daughter attends the first grade. "I don't t= hink >they should have brought them up on terrorism charges." > >"It was overkill," agreed Dorothy Jackson, who works with Alston's mothe= r >and whose son Randolph Young Jr. is in the boys' class. > >School officials say they now will require that principals seek advice f= rom >counselors before referring some cases to the police. But the district a= lso >promoted the acting principal who referred the boys to the police. > >"What would the discussion be if the kids carried out the threat?" asked >Davion. > >Hamadi's and Jaquill's parents are working with their attorneys and talk= ing >to local legislators about removing the legal taint of juvenile records. >Hamadi's parents say that the missed school days and the comments from h= is >classmates and teachers have not hurt his strong grades. > >But they watch him closely. "I'm going to protect my son until the end," >said his father. --=20 --- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RK= BA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= --- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath n= o weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand =3D Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy= a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Chr= ist ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= --- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! --- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: COLORADO STATE REP.LESLIE MICHAELS TARRED AND (fwd) Date: 23 Jun 2001 10:28:21 -0700 HYSTERICAL STORY BELOW FROM COLORADO! THESE "GHOST PATRIOTS" NEED TO COME TO CALIF.AND MANY OTHER STATES TO REMIND OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE WRITTEN "OATH" AND PLEDGE THEY ALL TOOK TO OUR U.S. CONSTITUTION, BILL OF RIGHTS.AND TO THE TAXPAYING PEOPLE.OF AMERICA. SEND THIS STORY TO YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS! CHAR, CALIF. Could it have really happened? You bet it could!! More and more people are becoming fed up with elected officials taking an oath to defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights and then lying through their teeth and doing just the reverse. Sooner or later, things like this may actually become a reality. Dave Russell, CCPR Crestview, Fl ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:19 PM FEATHERED(http://www.gtrt.org This is RICH. Check out the website and www.gtrt.org/currentgunlawsin107.htm. Novie ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:15 PM FEATHERED(http://www.gtrt.org CO State Rep. Leslie Michaels Tarred and Feathered! by Tom Buchanan April 1, 2001, Denver Colorado State Representative Leslie Lee Michaels was found Tuesday morning bound and gagged at the base of the Civil War Memorial statue on the west side of the Capital building. She was drenched from the top of her head to her feet in molasses and covered with turkey feathers. Around her neck was a large sign with bright red letters that stated, "I VOTED AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION." In front of her were poster sized copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. It was all she had to look at for the fourteen hours she was strapped to the statue. Ms. Michaels was found around 9:00 AM by a group of history students who arrived for a tour of the Capital building. "We thought it was a reenactment of a tar and feathering which was a popular deterrent against tyranny during the Revolutionary period instituted by the Sons of Liberty on tax collectors," said one student, "It was so realistic". The group admired the display as Leslie tried to hide her shame. "It was awesome!" declared another student. "We thought they put the display on just for us because we are studying the American Revolution in class." When Representative Michaels was finally released from her bondage by a State Capital guard at 9:45 AM, she sobbed uncontrollably and recounted her ordeal. It appears that Ms. Michaels was working on yet another in the series of 'reasonable gun control laws'. She was working late in her office at the Capital, putting the final touches on her new proposal to stop the 'Classified Ad' loop hole of gun sales. The new legislation would be a defacto ban on the private sales of firearms. It (HB 0666) requires all transactions be done at the business of a Federal Firearms dealer. It requires a back ground check on both the buyer and the seller of any firearm sold in Colorado. Ms. Michaels stated that as she was walking toward her automobile at 6:30 PM on Monday night a group of people dressed in Revolutionary War costumes quickly over came her, swept her off of her feet and gagged her. They took her around to the West steps of the Capital which has been a popular location for demonstrations throughout the years. When they got there they relieved her of her outer garments and lashed her to the base of the Civil War Memorial statue. "I was terrified!" she recalled. "If I would have had a gun I may have been able to prevent this horrible experience." After she was bound to the bronze statue she was tormented by the men and women for more than an hour. "They called me a traitor to freedom and liberty," she said through her tears. "I have heard these types crying out to stop these new laws for years, but I never really thought they were serious." she said. One person brought out a huge five gallon bucket of molasses and poured it on top of her head. The slowly moving, sticky substance eventually covered her entire body. She said that two women approached her each carrying a large trash bag. One at a time the they dumped the contents of the bags over her. "I will never forget the stench of those turkey feathers as they covered my face. "They taunted me for about fifteen more minutes. They read to me the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights and one of them set those Founding documents in front of my face to study. They threatened me with a return trip if I ever voted against the rights of the individual again. They kept repeating the oath of office that I took whereby I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution," she sheepishly stated. More surprising was the way Representative Michaels said that her abductors left. "It was so very strange," she said, "As they slowly walked away I heard the distinctive sound of a drum and fife and the far away sound of a lonely bag pipe player. When they got about twenty five feet away they just slowly vaporized into thin air and were gone. It was chilling! The arrow points to the Civil War Memorial where Rep. Leslie Michaels was bound, and ceremoniously tarred and feathered by "Ghost Patriots". After Representative Leslie Michaels cleaned up after the harrowing experience at the hands of what she described as "Ghost Patriots" she announced that she would be taking a week away from her duties to concentrate on studying the Founding documents and to renew her Oath of Office with a new outlook on her duties as a State Representative. Before she left the Capital grounds she removed from consideration any pending legislation that she had proposed that would in any way restrict the freedom and liberty of the people or grant any more restrictive powers to the government. Ms. Michaels ended her news conference by saying "I have realized that we can only push people so far! I will take a closer and more careful look at every proposed piece of legislation put before me and ask if this law will inhibit the free will of the people or not. Further more, I will begin the task of repealing any legislation currently on the books that does not pass Constitutional muster. I have seen the light of a new day and I believe I have been shown the way to preserve the Rights of the People and indeed the very State of Colorado and the United States!" I woke up with a start! The dream had been so real that I rushed out to get the Denver newspaper to look for the story. But alas, it was only wishful thinking, a dream, a work of fiction! Email Tom For more of Tom's writing Click Here 2001Tom Buchanan -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Re: Military studies "weapons control" (fwd) Date: 23 Jun 2001 10:29:38 -0700 Maybe it's time we raised some cane with our Critters about just what Un- Constitutional crap our Military is/isn't allowed to play with. The military is going to learn how to disarm the people. Or so this article implies. They're going to "roll play" this time, followed by a "tactical experiment" by the Marines later. Well, this should be interesting. Wanna bet they use gun registration lists, NICS or gun store records to find out who has the guns? http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=196559 Friday, 22 June 2001 14:58 (ET) War game to be held next week WASHINGTON, June 22 (UPI)-- The Potomac Institute for Policy Studies' Center for Emerging Threats and Opportunities will conduct a two-day strategy-policy war game on Wednesday and Thursday. The event will be the second in a series of war games called Project Lincolnia, which explores the tactical, operational, and strategic aspects of urban warfare. Lincolnia II will examine weapons control issues in an urban environment, and will look at how nonlethal weapons and other new technologies might be used in humanitarian crises... ...The Lincolnia series is unique because the strategy and policy alternatives developed in next week's game will form the basis for subsequent games at the operational and tactical levels... ...As the cease-fire is implemented, it becomes evident that a weapons control process is needed to reduce civilian casualties, restore the cease-fire, and provide security for the humanitarian relief effort. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: H.R. 1146 & Republic or Democracy? Date: 23 Jun 2001 12:51:29 -0500 June 22, 2001 Dear liberty activist, H.R. 1146 - American Sovereignty Restoration Act is now featured in our current legislation section. H.R. 1146 would withdraw the United States from the United Nations and prohibit U.S. armed forces from serving under U.N. command. Herbert W. Titus, our senior legal advisor, has written an analysis of H.R. 1146. In his analysis, Mr. Titus argues: 1. The Charter of the United Nations is illegitimate; having never been lawfully ratified. 2. The Charter of the United Nations unlawfully delegates congressional and presidential war powers. 3. The United Nations General Assembly has no lawful power to require the United States to pay dues to the United Nations. 4. The Charter of the United Nations unconstitutionally usurps power reserved to the states by the Tenth Amendment. 5. H.R. 1146 - The American Sovereignty Restoration Act is the only viable solution to the continual abuses by the United Nations. A brief description of H.R. 1146 and a link to Mr. Titus's analysis (HTML format and Adobe PDF format) is at http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/bills/?bill=39551 For people who use Webtv or don't have Adobe Acrobat Reader, Mr. Titus's "America: Republic or Democracy?" is now available in HTML. Go to http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/repdemstart.htm Kent Snyder The Liberty Committee http://www.thelibertycommittee.org -- Bob in Mississippi - State Motto: Virtute et Armis ("By Valor and Arms") My PGP Public Key(s): RKBA! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: PAC Formed to Support Lock Up Public Lands from Public Use (fwd) Date: 23 Jun 2001 12:15:49 -0700 Definitely effects hunting, fishing, logging, ranching, and you name it. New PAC Formed to Support Lock Up Public Lands from Public Use http://www.reagan.com/HotTopics.main/HotMike/document-6.21.2001.4.html Will Be Patterned after "Emily's List" DATE: June 20, 2001=20 BACKGROUND: Wild PAC is a new political action committee that will "targe= t=20 key Congressional races" in 2001 and focus on each candidate's "depth of=20 their public lands and wilderness protection efforts."=20 TEN SECOND RESPONSE: Environmentalists demand that more and more lands be= =20 made "wilderness," which puts them off-limits to human use. I don't think= =20 American citizens believe "our lands" should be locked away from them so = they=20 can=B9t enjoy them.=20 THIRTY SECOND RESPONSE: I believe the American people want to preserve ou= r=20 lands, as do I. However, most Americans also believe that we can safely u= se=20 parts of these lands to obtain oil and gas. Today there are drilling=20 techniques that are environmentally-friendly and timber management has ta= ught=20 us that it is better to harvest some trees instead of letting them burn, = as=20 happened last summer.=20 DISCUSSION: Wild PAC will focus on local, state and national candidates a= nd=20 activate advocates to work on campaigns. It claims it will use "the same=20 successful techniques as EMILY'S list" in aiding candidates. It will targ= et=20 get-out-the-vote efforts in 2002 and help organize local fundraisers. To = find=20 out more about Wild PAC, go to http://www.wildpac.org . A list of sponsor= s is=20 available on the website at http://www.wildpac.org/whatiswildpac.htm but=20 there is no specific information yet on which candidates will be targeted= .=20 by Gretchen Randall, Director of Energy & Regulatory Affairs, The Nationa= l=20 Center for Public Policy Research=20 Contact the author at: 773-857-5086 or GRandall@nationalcenter.org The=20 National Center for Public Policy Research, Chicago office 3712 North=20 Broadway - PMB 279 Chicago, IL 60613=20 --=20 --- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RK= BA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= --- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath n= o weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand =3D Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy= a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Chr= ist ----------------+----------+--------------------------+------------------= --- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! --- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Fiedor Report on the News (fwd) Date: 23 Jun 2001 18:12:47 -0700 Fiedor Report on the News A Weekly View from the Foothills of Appalachia June 24, 2001 #233 by: Doug Fiedor dfiedor@home.com WHATEVER HAPPENED TO INDEPENDENCE? This is the time of year when all good Americans should read the Declaration of Independence. Most people won't. But, a few good Americans will. It is worth reviewing why the Colonists declared their independence from England and went to war. They wanted freedom from the constraints of an over-intrusive central government -- much as many of us do again today. In fact, one clause of the Declaration of Independence is almost haunting when read in context today: "He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance." Would that we had it so good today! Today's federal government perpetrates the constraints of not four or five unconstitutional federal agencies on the people of the United States but the never ending regulatory excesses of one-hundred and thirteen independent federal agencies. Consequently, there are so many laws, rules and regulations controlling the lives of the American people that no person, in or out of government, knows even half of them. The "Father of our Constitution," James Madison warned us that(1): "It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is today, can guess what it will be tomorrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known, and less fixed?" The point is, when the volume of law enacted by government far exceeds the ability of the governed to comprehend, there is, in effect, no law. The unexpected consequence, then, is what we see today: selective tyranny. The Declaration of Independence also decries: "He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them." This closely sums up the relationship between the so called "sovereign" States and the federal government today. State governments are directly under the beck and call of all sorts of minor bureaucrats in the various federal agencies and departments. States' Rights were essentially abolished when FDR instituted socialism in the United States Another of the complaints the Colonists had with the Crown is again one of our most ominous problems today. The Declaration of Independence states: "He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation." Today, it's the United Nations interfering in our laws through both treaties and out and out demands for change. UNESCO constantly interferes with our private and public property through the U.S. and UNESCO Man and the Biosphere program and Heritage Sites. The World Bank, International Monitory Fund, Kayoto Protocol, NAFTA and dozens of other such "agreements" all work to redistribute our wealth overseas and adversely impact on our personal liberty. The Founding Fathers reacted to a few spurious import and export taxes. Today, Americans are registered with the federal government at birth so government agents may track, and tax as appropriate, every activity in life. We must pay taxes if we give our children money. There is an income tax fine on marriage. All of our personal income is taxed throughout life, then the government takes half of the after-tax money we have saved when we die. Yet, few of us complain. Federal taxes, laws, rules, and regulations considerably increase the cost of all intra and inter state products. And, the federal government even interferes in the personal and business affairs of those of us who never even leave our State or deal with businesses in another State. Today's federal government is comprised of over 1.8 million bureaucrats and another shadow government of over 5.5 million in the federal contracted corps. Most in this army of 7.3 million government workers (one for every 20 American taxpayers) exert control over some part of our personal freedom. So, yes, we should all read and understand the Declaration of Independence. Because, two-hundred and twenty-five years ago our country's Founding Fathers went to war for much less than we Americans grumble about regularly today. We definitely need a resurgence of liberty. 1. The Federalist Papers No. 62 SOCIALISM, GUNS AND POLICE It appears that keeping the people disarmed hasn't worked out very well. Not since the immigrant influx, anyway. In fact, the lack of the means of self protection has become darn right dangerous for the average folk, and the police. And, yeah, I know, it's not nice to poke fun at 'em while they're down. But, they've been saying all sorts of cruel things about us lately, so they deserve it. Besides, if the truth hurts, good! Let's call it "tough love," or something. Anyway, according to the June 17 Sunday Times (London), they've got themselves into a bit of a problem over there. In a country where the people are not allowed to own guns, let alone carry a handgun, only the crooks now have guns. Oh, and the gang bangers . . . street punks and drug dealers have guns, too. According to the Sunday Times, guns "are being carried almost as fashion accessories by young men in inner cities, creating a more volatile atmosphere." Of the 42 murders reported in London in April and May, thirteen were by gun -- many by punks emulating Jamaican "Yardie' gangsters." Over the last year, there were many other reports of young thugs breaking into homes almost at will. If the residents complain, they are clubbed and the punks take what they want and move on to another home. What's to stop them? The British, of course, do not want this information disseminated in the United States -- stiff upper lip, and that sort of thing, you know.(1) First, they would like to see the American people disarmed and this information most certainly does not support that action. And second, they are embarrassed because a lot of their crime is by "minorities." Even hinting at the real source of the problem is very politically incorrect to the socialists over there. We're not politically correct on this end, though. We say street punks are street punks, no matter what their race, color, creed, or national origin. Out here in the Foothills of Appalachia we have sort of an unwritten rule: Anyone assaulting another with a gun or other deadly weapon probably needs to be shot. Apparently, the police in and around London are realizing that now. They have also noticed that having the means of self defense on ones person can also be damn handy at times. Necessary, too. According to recent reports from Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary, firearms were issued to officers in 10,915 cases last year, which was nearly three times more than in 1991. Some areas now arm foot patrol officers -- which means that, for the first time, the Bobbies are carrying guns. It gets better, though. The Sunday Times reports that, "police forces have quietly armed their officers with a new high-powered armour-piercing assault rifle in an attempt to retain the upper hand in an arms race with criminals." Besides handguns, police are now getting the Heckler & Koch G36K, a high-velocity military assault rifle used by some special forces. Special ammunition, too. And, lots and lots of body armor. But, the bad guys over there have body armor, too. So, the Bobbie's new guns will use bullets that are "narrower and longer than the standard 9mm" and contain more gunpowder to make them effective over greater distances. Of course, they'll have the laser sights, too. So, in effect, the Brits are setting up many, many SWAT teams around their country. You see, over there guns are illegal for the normal people so only crooks and street punks have guns. The police and the crooks are in an arms war. The people are caught in the middle. Unarmed. However, there's even more to this story. The British police are also having the same problem with their SWAT teams as we have here: You cannot put a squad-fire team out on the street all psyched up and armed with all sorts of fancy weapons and not expect them to start looking for someone to shoot. They are trained to kill people -- shoot first and ask questions later -- rather and be a peace officer. And, kill people they do. Unarmed people, too. There is already alarm in England over the innocent people killed by these squad-fire teams. So, some Bobbies may soon find their firepower cut back to glue guns, tasers, beanbag guns, and "green lasers" that can be used to blind people. That's "Third Way" socialism. The bad guys will still have guns and the people will remain sitting targets. 1. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/html/cjusew96/crvs.htm A CLOG IN THE SOCIALIST MACHINE One usually unspoken truth is that liberalism is little more than a tool for concealing the truth. They can't let their useful idiots in the proletariat know that, of course. Instead, they gussy up all the far-left programs and present them as being necessary to help the poor and "promote diversity" -- or their new mantra: "for the children." The far-left groups have been working on their methods for nearly a century and have gotten very proficient. Today, they are so good at the propaganda that even major political leaders fail to realize that it's all just a scam; a means of dividing so as to conquer and control. In the United States, we fall into their ploys by allowing them to continue causing racial tensions, spout environmental lies as truth and promote an ever-expanding central government's control of everything. Freedom of speech means they may lie as much as they wish, no matter how much civil strife they cause throughout the country. Control of the Democratic Party gives them a platform with which to use to trash our Constitutional form of government. And, their friends in the national media outlets allow their devious propaganda messages to be presented as truth. Their plan worked smoothly for the past 70 years. Even many Republicans in government capitulate and vote to approve socialist programs. The truth is, we have been totally indoctrinated and nearly two-thirds of us now accept some quite unconstitutional socialist federal programs as "normal" government -- medical programs, welfare, gun control, education, etc. So, one would think, the schemers controlling the far-left would be happy and celebrating their success. But, one would be wrong. Because, there's an itsy-bitsy little clog in the gears of the socialist machine that could soon kill their whole program completely. Besides the fact that socialism, in any form, does not work and any country that has tried it for any length of time has gone belly-up, there's a much more immediate problem looming. That is, the American people are starting to catch on to what's happening. And, they are not at all pleased. Yeah sure, most Americans don't quite know "exactly" what is happening. But, what they are starting to realize is that few politicians can be believed. People are starting to see that politicians are either actually creating crises or claiming there is one just to put in place more socialistic programs as a fix. For instance, the decline of our inner cities is a direct result of the LBJ "Great Society" programs and the medical insurance problem and the energy crisis in California are the result of governments' interference in the free market. The American people have not started taking the politicians to task yet, but that's right around the corner. All that is needed is a popular national leader with the ability to "explain" the problem properly. When that happens, many political heads will roll. Meanwhile, numerous American people are quietly disregarding the propaganda arm of the socialist trinity: the national media. Americans from coast to coast are realizing that the national media are very, very biased in favor of socialism. Those in the national media showed their true colors during the Clinton administration when they started coming out against our Constitution and the Founding Fathers. That caught the collective attention of millions of Americans and tended to cause them to start looking at media bias across the board. Not knowing exactly what to do about this strong media bias, Americans started using a very old, and proven, method for correction: shunning them. The result was slow, but palpable nonetheless. Many newspapers began losing revenue and quite a few required new capital and major lay-offs to stay afloat. We look for two or three of the major liberal newspapers to go bankrupt within the next couple years. Yet, the conservative publications are doing quiet well. On the Internet, the very left Salon Media Group, Inc. went from a healthy stock to actually being kicked off the Nasdaq when their stock fell to just pennies. Last January, the TV networks started laying off. NBC trimmed it's staff by 600, CNN fired over 1,000 and the others are following suit. Advertisers are starting to learn that Americans are totally fed up with the socialist bias in the news. In fact, many Americans have joined together to make sure advertisers know. Take a close look at the new group, Citizens Coalition For Responsible Media(1), and check their results. Then, consider helping. 1. http://www.fairpress.org/ ~ End ~ -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: VIN -- "Patients' Bill of Rights" (fwd) Date: 27 Jun 2001 15:17:15 -0700 FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Watch out for politicians promising us new 'rights' Even liberal Michael Kinsley, formerly of the New Republic and now editor of "Slate," expresses astonishment at the way the Republican Party -- onetime purported champion of limited government -- is going along with the heavy-handed notion of a "Patients' Bill of Rights." "Republican complaints about the Democratic bill are limited to the issue of lawsuits. It's hilarious -- and, I suppose, inspiring -- that no major Republican is out there saying, 'No. This violates my most basic free-market principles. Insurers should be free to offer any deal they want and consumers should be free to take it or leave it,' " Mr. Kinsley writes in his weekly column for The Washington Post. Mr. Kinsley also correctly diagnoses the sleight-of-hand now at work in disguising the true costs of this newest layer of government meddling, and who will pay them: "Nobody denies that the cost of these new benefits will ultimately hit the beneficiaries in the form of higher insurance premiums. But nobody who supports the bill plays this up, either." In fact, what we are seeing in this (really extremely limited) debate over a new form of government meddling in the health care industry is just another demonstration of von Mises' Law. The celebrated Austrian economist figured out decades ago that government interventions in the free market only trigger strings of unintended consequences, which inevitably lead for calls for new government interventions to fix the problems caused by the initial government meddling ... et cetera ad infinitum. During and immediately after the Second World War, the United States government froze most wages in this country, supposedly as a measure to limit war "profiteering." (This from the government that appropriated the design for the Jeep from those who invented it, let the Jeep contracts to well-heeled corporate campaign donors, and allowed the firm whose engineers invented the Jeep to build ... little trailers to be pulled behind the Jeeps.) In fact, of course, trying to halt employers from bidding competitively for the most desirable employees is like passing an ordinance that makes it illegal for bricks or other dangerous objects to fall from great heights. American employers simply lured away the employees they wanted by offering them an additional value the government had forgotten to freeze -- health benefits. Thus were health benefits inextricably bound up with the American workplace, where previously Americans had paid for their own doctors visits out of pocket -- or gathered together in fraternal organizations to contract with provider physicians, a strategy which the American Medical Association long and vehemently decried. So now, congressmen score political points by shouting that they're shocked -- shocked! -- to learn that Americans can lose their health coverage when they lose or change their jobs, insisting that something be done. That something turned out to be the Health Maintenance Organization, of course, a business enterprise with which no one is actually obliged to contract, but which will generally insert in its contracts (in order to hold down costs) a method for resolving disputes over "refusals to provide coverage" other than going to court. What? Expect sick people to be bound by some "contract"?! So here comes Congress again, riding to the rescue, attempting to dictate whether and when such contracts should be binding, and when patients should be allowed to go play the lawsuit lottery ... no matter what so-called "contract" they've signed. A better solution, of course, might be to allow health care consumers to form negotiating units based on something other than the workplace -- buying their health care with the strength of numbers provided by the Elks, perhaps, or the Moose, or the Odd Fellows or the International Order of Foresters. Oh wait, that's the way it used to be done 90 years ago, before the AMA went to the government and lobbied against such "prepaid health care," insisting that the only route to quality was "fee-for-service." Isn't it? Government will never repair its meddling in the health care field with more meddling. The problems will only be solved by collapsing the whole charade, like the riggers dropping a circus tent after the last performance of the night. Let the doctors charge cash, if they want, offering stout discounts for patients "who don't make us bother with insurance companies." Let them prescribe whatever drugs they want, instead of maltreating chronic pain based on the perverse and fantastical premise that "We're going to pretend mankind has never discovered the opiates." Let insurers compete in a free market, offering as much or little coverage as they like. Government's only role should be to prosecute outright chicanery and fraud. Food is necessary for health and survival, too. Are Americans starving because Congress isn't rushing to pile more regulations on our "Nutrition Maintenance Organizations?" Or do all us "amateurs" just pick a free-market supermarket of our choice, and get along just fine? Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Subscribe to his monthly newsletter by sending $72 to Privacy Alert, 1475 Terminal Way, Suite E for Easy, Reno, NV 89502 -- or dialing 775-348-8591. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com "When great changes occur in history, when great principles are involved, as a rule the majority are wrong. The minority are right." -- Eugene V. Debs (1855-1926) "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken * * * The Vinsends list is maintained by Alan Wendt in Colorado, who may be reached directly at alan@ezlink.com. The web sites for the Suprynowicz column are at http://www.infomagic.com/liberty/vinyard.htm, and http://www.nguworld.com/vindex. The Vinyard is maintained by Michael Voth in Flagstaff, who may be reached directly at mvoth@infomagic.com. -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Lying with statistics? (fwd) Date: 28 Jun 2001 11:55:45 -0700 >Lying Statistics > >"Every year since 1950, the number of American children gunned down has >doubled." Did you know that? It is just as well if you did not, because it >is not true. > >http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20010628.shtml > >-- >Bob Mueller >Media Relations Chair >Ohioans For Concealed Carry >www.OhioCCW.org Anyone do the math on that? Assuming only one child was shot in 1950, doubling the number each year... we should expect 1,125,899,906,842,620 (1.12 quadrillion) children to be killed this year by guns. Never mind that this number represents more than 200,000 times the world population! So if you suddenly notice that more than 35 million children are being shot every SECOND of every day, 24 hours day, 365 days a year, you'll know this statistic is true! By the way, if the shooters use one bullet per kid, at 200gr. each, the bullets alone - not including the cases, primers or powder, would weigh on the order of 16 billion tons. So be sure to buy lead futures! (The total amount of lead mined since 1970 is just under 2.5 million tons, so we'll be using 160,000 times as much lead as we normally do - what with all the kids being shot.) To get an idea of how much lead this is, 16 billion tons would be about 50,624,000,599 cubic feet of lead... a sphere nearly 4600 feet in diameter. The entire population of the world would fit into a volume about 2/3 that size.) By contrast, if we assume that the average car uses 2000 pounds of steel, the U.S auto production for an entire year utilizes less than 1 millionth this much steel by mass. Placed side-by-side (assuming .45 cal bullets) stream of bullets would reach from the earth to the moon and back more than 16,000 times... with enough left over for a few round trips to the sun. Ain't math fun? Kurt -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Re: Lying with statistics? (fwd) Date: 28 Jun 2001 16:04:21 -0400 > > > >Lying Statistics > > > >"Every year since 1950, the number of American children gunned down has > >doubled." Did you know that? It is just as well if you did not, because it > >is not true. > > > >http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20010628.shtml > > > >-- > >Bob Mueller > >Media Relations Chair > >Ohioans For Concealed Carry > >www.OhioCCW.org > >Anyone do the math on that? > >Assuming only one child was shot in 1950, doubling the number each >year... we should expect 1,125,899,906,842,620 (1.12 quadrillion) >children to be killed this year by guns. Never mind that this number >represents more than 200,000 times the world population! > >So if you suddenly notice that more than 35 million children are >being shot every SECOND of every day, 24 hours day, 365 days a year, >you'll know this statistic is true! > >By the way, if the shooters use one bullet per kid, at 200gr. each, >the bullets alone - not including the cases, primers or powder, would >weigh on the order of 16 billion tons. > >So be sure to buy lead futures! (The total amount of lead mined >since 1970 is just under 2.5 million tons, so we'll be using 160,000 >times as much lead as we normally do - what with all the kids being >shot.) > >To get an idea of how much lead this is, 16 billion tons would be >about 50,624,000,599 cubic feet of lead... a sphere nearly 4600 feet >in diameter. The entire population of the world would fit into a >volume about 2/3 that size.) > >By contrast, if we assume that the average car uses 2000 pounds of >steel, the U.S auto production for an entire year utilizes less than >1 millionth this much steel by mass. > >Placed side-by-side (assuming .45 cal bullets) stream of bullets >would reach from the earth to the moon and back more than 16,000 >times... with enough left over for a few round trips to the sun. > >Ain't math fun? > >Kurt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Re: Lying with statistics? (fwd) Date: 28 Jun 2001 16:20:23 -0400 At 04:04 PM 6/28/01 -0400, you wrote: >> >Lying Statistics Ooopps, was supposed to go to another list. Sorry, Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: FYI Traffic Tickets (fwd) Date: 30 Jun 2001 00:10:19 -0700 OT, but good news for many..... FYI Traffic Tickets ACCURACY IS OUR ONLY WEAPON, if we are not accurate, then we are not truthfull. "Education is a Weapon - Facts are the Ammunition. Share what you learn - Others ARE listening!" Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 5:06 PM Just thought I would share this with you, as I work in the ticket enforcement division and in the course of my investigation into "fines, their payment methods, and how points are assessed against drivers licenses" we discovered something very interesting. If You Get A Traffic Ticket, this has been tried and it works..... I tried to send this to everyone I know. I know that for a fact this works, so if you ever get in this situation, you have an out. We discovered that this procedure works in every state. Read it and try it, you have nothing to lose but the points on your license. This is how it works: If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red light or whatever the case may be, and you are going to get points on your license, then there is a method to ensure that you DO NOT get any points. When you get your fine, send in the check to pay for it and if the fine is say, $79, then make the check out for $82 or some small amount over the fine. The system will then have to send you back a check for the difference, but here is the trick! ***DO NOT CASH THE REFUND CHECK!!!*** Throw it away!! Points are not assessed to your license until all financial transactions are complete. If you do not cash the check, then the transactions are NOT complete. However, the system has gotten its money and is happy and will not bother you any more. This information came to our attention from a very reliable computer company that sets up the standard database used by each states' DMV. Good luck and share this with all your friends and other family members, as well!!! **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only. [Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ira Wilsker " Subject: HOAX - Re: FYI Traffic Tickets (fwd) Date: 30 Jun 2001 02:22:34 -0500 This is an OLD HOAX that has been circulating around the net for years! DETAILS: http://urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/library/blpoints.htm ----------- FYI Traffic Tickets ACCURACY IS OUR ONLY WEAPON, if we are not accurate, then we are not truthfull. "Education is a Weapon - Facts are the Ammunition. Share what you learn - Others ARE listening!" Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 5:06 PM Just thought I would share this with you, as I work in the ticket enforcement division and in the course of my investigation into "fines, their payment methods, and how points are assessed against drivers licenses" we discovered something very interesting. If You Get A Traffic Ticket, this has been tried and it works..... I tried to send this to everyone I know. I know that for a fact this works, so if you ever get in this situation, you have an out. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill Vance Subject: Fiedor Report on the News (fwd) Date: 30 Jun 2001 17:35:05 -0700 Fiedor Report on the News A Weekly View from the Foothills of Appalachia July 1, 2001 #234 by: Doug Fiedor dfiedor@home.com THEY SHOULD OBEY THE LAWS Four years ago, Congress passed a bill requiring them to obey all laws, rules and regulations, just like normal citizens. Therefore, we offer a few selected excerpts from Title 48, Volume 1, Parts 1 to 51 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Revised as of October 1, 1996, for your reading enjoyment. This is good stuff. Because, if everyone on Capitol Hill (and those in all executive departments) are legally bound to obey each and every one of their laws, rules and regulations, our question is this: Where do we go to file charges!? Almost everyone in Congress is in violation of these "Standards of Conduct." So are their staffs. On the slim chance this regulation could be enforced, the halls of the Capitol Building would be rather empty. Of course, those elected to federal office are above all this. They give lip-service to obeying all laws, then totally disregard anything too restrictive for them. Nevertheless, it is fun to wave this stuff in their faces, if only just to tell them we notice the blatant violation. We might also add that, since elected Americans can pick and choose which laws they wish to obey, why shouldn't ALL Americans do the same? On that note, you may wish to send a copy of the following to your Members of Congress. Their reply should be interesting. ................................ Title 48, Volume 1, Parts 1 to 51 of the Code of Federal Regulations(1): This part prescribes policies and procedures for avoiding improper business practices and personal conflicts of interest and for dealing with their apparent or actual occurrence. 3.101 Standards of conduct. Government business shall be conducted in a manner above reproach and, except as authorized by statute or regulation, with complete impartiality and with preferential treatment for none. Transactions relating to the expenditure of public funds require the highest degree of public trust and an impeccable standard of conduct. The general rule is to avoid strictly any conflict of interest or even the appearance of a conflict of interest in Government-contractor relationships. As a rule, no Government employee may solicit or accept, directly or indirectly, any gratuity, gift, favor, entertainment, loan, or anything of monetary value from anyone who (a) has or is seeking to obtain Government business with the employee's agency, (b) conducts activities that are regulated by the employee's agency, or (c) has interests that may be substantially affected by the performance or nonperformance of the employee's official duties. . . . Gratuity or other thing of value includes any gift, favor, entertainment, or other item having monetary value. The phrase includes services, conference fees, vendor promotional training, transportation, lodgings and meals, as well as discounts not available to the general public and loans extended by anyone other than a bank or financial institution. Influencing or attempting to influence, as used in this section, means making, with the intent to influence, any communication to or appearance before an officer or employee of any agency, a Member of Congress, an officer or employee of Congress, or an employee of a Member of Congress in connection with any covered Federal action. Person, as used in this section, means an individual, corporation, company, association, authority, firm, partnership, society, State, and local government, regardless of whether such entity is operated for profit or not for profit. Perhaps, we should also take the time to define a couple legal terms that are more or less common practices within the federal government.(2) Malfeasance: "The unjust performance of some act which the party had no right, or which he had contracted not, to do." Misfeasance: "The performance of an act which might lawfully be done, in an improper manner, by which another person receives an injury." Nonfeasance: "The neglect or failure of a person to do some act which he ought to do. The term is not generally used to denote a breach of contract, but rather the failure to perform a duty towards the public whereby some individual sustains special damage, as where a sheriff fails to execute a writ. "When a legislative act requires a person to do a thing, its nonfeasance will subject the party to punishment; as, if a statute require the supervisors of the highways to repair such highways, the neglect to repair them may be punished." Every member of every level of government takes an oath to support and defend our Constitution, as written. Any government official who does not is in violation of the supreme law of the land. 1. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/multidb.cgi 2. "The Cyclopedic Law Dictionary" by James C. Cahill, dated 1922. This dictionary was chosen because it was published before American law was corrupted by the FDR administration. MALFEASANCE IN WASHINGTON "Congressional Responsibility" is almost an oxymoron. They pawn-off everything they can to boards, commissions, agencies, and what have you. To make a decision, to actually take a stand on an issue, is to loose votes. And, that could put them out of a cushy job. Professional politicians will do everything possible to stay in power. Therefore, they must pick and choose their "positions" very carefully. That is also why they do not pay much attention to that paper document known as the Constitution. To do so would not always be politically expedient. So, it's with pleasant surprise that "The Congressional Responsibility Act of 1997," received some attention. The purpose of the act was, as the name implies, to force Congress to comply with its Constitutional role. As Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) stated in his "Freedom Watch Update" newsletter: "Article One of the Constitution limits the power to make certain laws solely to Congress. But the [current] practice has been very different. Congress has all but abdicated the real law-making authority to the alphabet soup of federal agencies. These agencies -- like the IRS, the EPA, the Department of Education, Health and Human Services, the Labor Department, etc. -- make rules which carry the full effect of law. These rules affect the minute details of the lives of individuals in every aspect of life, yet no elected official -- accountable to the voters and taxpayers -- sees the rules or has any part of the process. It's now time for this to change. These bureaucratic dictators need to be reigned in; and only Congress can do it. "This legislation will end the arbitrary rule-making authority of agencies. When an agency decides a rule is 'needed' for whatever reason, they will be required to submit that rule to the House and Senate. Those two bodies will debate the rule, just like any other piece of legislation, and then vote on it. If it passes, the rule goes into effect. If the vote fails, the rule does not go into effect." Of course, the bill didn't pass. But, it is needed. It is hard enough to keep up with what the conniving socialists in Congress are doing. It is impossible for citizens to keep track of the lawmaking of thousands of control-freaks working in at least 112 different federal agencies, too. Yet, each and every action of any and all of these bodies can adversely affect our lives. According to the Constitution, Congress, and no one else, is responsible for making law. Worse, we are legally bound to obey all these stupid rules and regulations, even the hundred or more that contradict other agency rules and/or federal laws. This is definitely not what was intended by the Founding Fathers; and, everyone in Washington knows that. While we're at it, there is a law already on the books that Congress is skidding away from like a hot coal sliding down an icy hill. This one is the "Congressional Review Act." The 1996 Congressional Review Act gives Congress the ability to scrutinize and expunge all new regulations, rules, policy statements, and guidelines issued by executive agencies. Except, no one in Congress has ever used it! To do so might require that some of them make a decision. For instance, there are at least forty Members of Congress publicly against the new (and totally ridiculous) EPA clean air regulations. But, not one Member of Congress is actually working to stop this new round of oppression. Not one. "Malfeasance," it's called. And, malfeasance is a crime. Everyone in government takes an oath to support and defend our Constitution. According to the U.S. Supreme Court(1), when we have a question as to the exact meaning of any part of the body of the Constitution, we may look to The Federalist Papers as an authoritative source: "The opinion of the Federalist has always been considered as of great authority. It is a complete commentary on our constitution; and is appealed to by all parties in the questions to which that instrument has given birth. Its intrinsic merit entitles it to this high rank; and the part two of its authors performed in framing the constitution, put it very much in their power to explain the views with which it was framed." Public officials not conforming to the Constitution, as written and explained in the Federalist Papers, are intentionally guilty of malfeasance: "The unjust performance of some act which the party had no right, or which he had contracted not, to do." 1. Cohens v. Virginia, 19 US 264, 1821 http://laws.findlaw.com/us/19/264.html PAYOLA AND PAYBACK It's kind of funny to watch the press and members of both political parties carry on the way they do. Outwardly, they are expressing horror that the Chinese may have tried to use covert campaign donations to influence American policy and political campaigns. What a bunch of hypocrites! How many countries continually meddle in our political affairs? Israel spends at least $100-million annually lobbying Congress and the executive branch through various Washington law firms. Japan Inc. spends millions, too. And don't forget Taiwan, Mexico and many South American countries. Those are the more obvious countries competing for American lawmakers' attention using trips, favors and laundered campaign contributions. Most countries are in that mix somewhere, and with some amount of money. And how has the United States been meddling in other nations' internal affairs over the years? Whew! Wouldn't that be a long list. . . . In every budget, Congress appropriates hundreds of millions of dollars in covert and overt money to use in influencing domestic politics abroad. The CIA alone spends $30 million a year supporting things like political parties, dissident movements and labor unions in dozens of countries -- including China. There's no telling how much of that is out and out bribes or political pay-offs. So, is there any surprise when the money trail leads both ways? Most foreign governments and businesses have become quite good at laundering money to "contribute" to our public officials in Washington. It's all technically illegal, of course. But, as the Democrats are so fond of saying lately: "So what! Everyone does it." And indeed, it's true. Most politicians are very willing to take illegal money. All they look for is a respectable cut-out (like a D.C. lobbying firm) as a front organization so they can have "plausible deniability." To politicians, the end justifies the means. This is politics American style. Laws? All government workers get a pass on many laws. Some public officials get a pass on most laws. That's one of the perks of the position. But now China might have spoiled it for some. China didn't use enough "cut-outs" -- adequate layers of money laundering in between their government and our politicians -- to make the money look respectable. Worse, they gave a lot of the money directly to two moles they had working in our government. One would think that the Chinese would at least be bright enough to hire a few lobbyists (Washington lawyers or ex Congress critters), and set up a couple front organizations, like other governments do. There are two other major problems, too. First, China is the only avidly Communist country attempting to effect our elections with political payola. And second, China is the only country powerful enough to sustain a war with us that is also buying influence with our politicians. These reasons alone tend to bump the Chinese contributions from the "so what" to the "serious problem" column in Washington. But the fact still remains: Many foreign governments, and many foreign business concerns, lobby Congress and the executive branch every day. Ninety- percent of them also contribute heavily to political campaigns, and whatever. Ten to one, we do the same in their countries too -- even though that too is a violation of our law. With China, we gave the Chinese Army owned businesses all sorts of trade breaks not available to their competition. That, in itself, is amazingly stupid! China gets away with that by allowing the families of members of our government special trade arrangements and "investment" positions in Chinese government controlled concerns that are sure to pay off. Some major media personalities are involved in a couple of those deals, too. Even Roger Clinton was involved in that. Congressional investigators said they found at least $250-thousand in unexplained traveler's checks that Roger Clinton cashed. They came from Hong Kong, China and Venezuela. Not bad for a common lounge lizard, eh? As the story on the street goes, on one of his Presidential visits, Bill Clinton made arrangements with the Chinese for his brother to be one of their principal agents in the United States. There's no telling how much payola Bill and Hillary Clinton received, too. Anyway, it's outrageous, hypocritical, and down right funny, when politicians and the media point the finger at China without so much as a mention of the other countries and their permanent Washington lobbies. Oh, and by the way, it is supposedly illegal for a foreign government to lobby our government, except through diplomatic channels. ~ End ~ -- RKBA! ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** RKBA! ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!! -