From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Legal Briefs #5 (fwd) Date: 01 Jul 1997 07:37:38 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Legal Briefs Monitoring the Legal System that Rules our Lives. Issue Five * June 30, 1997 The National Center for Public Policy Research Amy Moritz Ridenour, President 300 Eye Street N.E., Suite 3 * Washington, D.C. 20002 Phone (202) 543-1286 * Fax (202) 543-4779 ncppr@aol.com * http://www.nationalcenter.inter.net * Mental Health Standards a Stress Investor's Business Daily reports that although most courts are keeping high standards in lawsuits against employees by workers claiming to be mentally ill, there still are some bizarre claims to consider: 1) A customer service representative was hired to handle the telephone in an eye-care products firm and sued his employer when he felt too stressed to answer the phones. 2) A waitress in Alabama claims she suffered public attacks because she couldn't cope with the restaurant's crowds (her suit was thrown out of court). The Equal Employment Opportunities Commission has been swamped with disability-related complaints, ranging from stress to schizophrenia. One problem is that the Americans with Disabilities Act requires employers to consider an employee's "special needs" -- a nebulous term ripe for misinterpretation and exploitation. * Milk-A-Lawsuit This time it's a milk drinker filing a lawsuit against the dairy industry because he says his lifetime of milk drinking clogged his arteries. The Houston Chronicle reports on June 10 that Norman Mayo, 61, believes milk should have a warning label similar to those on cigarettes because "it is just as dangerous as tobacco." Even the wholesome dairy industry is not immune to people looking for some deep pockets to dig into as they try to find a, dare we say, a new "cash cow." * Attorney Calls for "Revolution" in the Legal Profession Recognizing that lawyers have an uphill battle in restoring the public's faith in their ethics and standards, San Francisco attorney Harrison Sheppard suggests in the San Francisco Chronicle on June 4 that a revolution is needed in the profession, one where "peacemaking, not adversarial skills must be emphasized." Legal training and practice focused on conciliation instead of attack would be a refreshing change and is fundamental if our society expects to reverse the aggressive style so routinely employed today, Sheppard says. Sheppard allows that it would be a challenge for lawyers to "think, and to act, as peacemakers first, peacemakers second, peacemakers third, and as warriors only in the very last resort," but he believes its vital that they do so. "Ancient and modern history show," he says, "that when conflict among sharply differing factions in democratic societies grows, and legal institutions become inadequate to resolve them peacefully, the result is either authoritarian government or mob rule. American democracy may survive and prosper in the 21st century only if we lawyers learn to do more than ever before to help harmonize our miraculous American diversity." * Tort D'Jour Once again, thanks to Ann Landers for providing another laugh for her millions of readers as they enjoy their morning coffee. This time, a California resident offered a story about a group of four robbers who entered a Hayward, California bar brandishing weapons, hassled the patrons and robbed the establishment. After police shot and wounded one of the gunmen, two others ran back into the bar to take some hostages. One of the masked gunmen was stabbed with a pocket knife by his hostage and was killed when the knife hit an artery. A typical cops and robbers story... until you hear the punch line: the family of the dead robber later sued the bar claiming it did not provide a "safe environment" for the thief.* For copies of news articles mentioned in Legal Briefs, contact Executive Assistant Jon Meek at 202/543-1286. Articles in Legal Briefs may be reprinted provided source is credited. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To unsubscribe from this mailing list, DISREGARD ANY INSTRUCTIONS ABOVE and go to the Web page at http://www.maillist.net/rightnow.html. New subscriptions can also be entered at this page. If you cannot access the World Wide Web, send an e-mail message to RightNow-Request@MailList.Net and on the SUBJECT LINE put the single word: unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: More OKC Questions (fwd) Date: 01 Jul 1997 07:47:44 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From - http://www.buzzcut.com/central/feralhouse/oktext.html Part of a complete chapter from the Feral House title, Cult Rapture, by Adam Parfrey Finding Our Way Out of Oklahoma [....] Why doesn't Dateline or any other news program ask the following questions? If the bombing of the Murrah building was a terrorist reprisal for Waco, why weren't ATF or FBI agents injured? How many ATF personnel took the day off? Why were Judge Alley and others warned by special agents about impending violence on April 19. Who were these special agents? By definition, a terrorist must take credit for his violence, or else there is no compelling reason to commit a crime. The specific purpose of terrorism is gaining leverage on a specific political objective through the ability of threatening future terrorist acts. No one has claimed credit for the Oklahoma City bombing. Militia groups produced particularly vehement public statements condemning the crime. Did the Murrah building warehouse documents regarding the Branch Davidians? Are these documents missing? Will the missing papers affect Ramsey Clark's suit against the ATF and FBI on behalf of the remaining Branch Davidian survivors? Why did the director of University of Oklahoma's Geological Survey, Dr. Charles Mankin, say that according to two different seismographic records, there were two blasts. Dr. Mankin reports that "the news media even reported two bomb blasts initially, but later changed their story." A pre-Oklahoma City bombing issue of Soldier of Fortune featured a James Pate article on Waco with a photograph of three BATF agents. One of these agents, the only agent unidentified, looks like the spitting image of Timothy McVeigh. Is this merely coincidental? Or was there a second "Timothy McVeigh" roaming the country, appearing at militia meetings? (The use of doubles is not a James Bond fantasy but an everyday aspect of intelligence work.) According to a New York Times chronology, Timothy McVeigh was said to have worked as security for the defense contractor CalSpan in Buffalo. CalSpan, owned by the Fortune 500 company Arvin Industries, is actively involved in the research and development of microwave technology and telemetric devices for the Air Force. Telemetry can chart the location of individuals implanted with a microchip, or, quite possibly, send the telemetric device further information by satellite. An executive for CalSpan told the New York Times that McVeigh was a model employee, that the company was disappointed that he "dropped out of sight," because they were planning to promote him. After McVeigh "dropped out of sight" from his security job at CalSpan he began complaining that the government was "controlling his mind" through a microchip implanted in his buttocks. Who is John Doe #2? Why did the FBI entertain the possibility that he was a pre-pubescent relative of Terry Nichols, and yet they profess no interest in a John Doe #2 photographed at the crime scene, and then rediscovered in Oklahoma City by the local television station KFOR? Retired Air Force Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, former commander of the Air Force Armament Technology Laboratory, a 25-year expert in the design and development of bombs, urged Senators and Congressmen to delay destruction of the Murrah building crime site. Partin disseminated information to the John Birch magazine, the New American: "When I first saw the picture of the truck bomb's asymmetrical damage to the federal building in Oklahoma, my immediate reaction was that the pattern of damage would have been technically impossible without supplementary demolition charges at some of the reinforced concrete bases inside the building -- a standard demolition technique." Partin further explained that "reinforced concrete targets in large buildings are hard targets to blast. I know of no way possible to reproduce the apparent building damage through simply a truck bomb parked outside.... The evidence indicates there was an inside bomb effort." General Partin's request to examine the possibility of a second bomb in the concrete bases fell on deaf ears. The building was brought down on May 23. Researcher Alex Constantine tells me that Partin's information is suspect due to blaming the bomb on a peculiar coalition of "international leftists." Perhaps more troubling was Constantine's insistence that McVeigh's former employer, CalSpan, subcontracted the development and construction of mind control devices for the Air Force, where Partin was and perhaps still remains a major player. Why was the bomb first reported as a car bomb, then reported as a bomb similar to the one that struck the World Trade Center (a one-half ton model)? The FBI raised their estimate of the amount of explosive to 4,800 pounds, and the truck size to the largest model rented by Ryder, Inc. FBI agents were said to have tracked down McVeigh's truck rental agency by finding a vehicle identification number (VIN) one the truck's rear axle. This axle was found either in the bomb crater, according to the mayor, or three blocks away, if one is to believe the FBI. But there is another problem to the tale. No rear axle is imprinted with a vehicle identification number, even after recent legislation forcing manufacturers to place multiple VINs on the engine, firewall, and frame to discourage chop shops. When queried, a spokesman for Ryder told me that it does not imprint additional VINs on its trucks. The only conceivable number available on a rear axle is a part number, but a part number couldn't lead to the identification of a specific vehicle. Where did the VIN story come from? And why? Did McVeigh use fake i.d. or real i.d. to rent the truck? The FBI tells us both versions. If he committed such a heinous crime, why did Timothy McVeigh make the mistake of driving 81 miles per hour without a license, and why didn't he shoot the highway patrolman who stopped him? The story is told that Timothy McVeigh would have been released from jail on the day of his capture if he had produced sufficient bail money. Why couldn't he contact the Nichols brothers or other friends or family members to obtain bail? Why did he choose to stick around long enough for the sketch of John Doe #1 to reach his small town courthouse, resulting in his arrest for the Oklahoma City explosion? The FBI claims that Michael Fortier, McVeigh's friend from Kingman, revealed that he and McVeigh snooped around the Murrah building several days before the bombing, asking many people where BATF agents could be found. Why, then, did McVeigh bomb the building on the opposite side from the BATF offices? Why did Fortier tell CNN news on May 8 that "I do not believe Tim McVeigh blew up any building in Oklahoma"? U.S. Government, Technical Manual No. 9-1910 from the Departments of the Army and Air Force titled Military Explosives, which specifies that ANFO, the acronym for the Ammonium Nitrate and Fuel Oil bomb said to be used on the McMurrah building, requires a greater than 99% purity of Ammonium Nitrate, as well as a specific dryness before it can be mixed with diesel fuel to create an explosive substance. The manual further spells out that even under ideal conditions (not often reached, even by experts) 4,800 pounds of ANFO explosive would create a much smaller crater than the one left in front of the McMurrah building, and its shockwave could not possibly wield the force necessary to compromise the building's concrete supports. The FBI claimed the ANFO charge was made from 50 bags of fertilizer. Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer comes in much weaker concentrations than the 99% plus required for explosives. Creating concentrated amounts of Ammonium Nitrate is quite complex, and would require many more than 50 bags of fertilizer. Accredited explosives experts who wish to remain anonymous for fear of retribution, agree that the explosion could have only been created with professional explosive detonators and professional explosive. Such things are highly regulated in non-military use. The military is supposedly even more strict about its explosive inventory. If the explosion is too strong to have been created by 4,800 pounds of ANFO, if the explosive could only have been detonated by professional materials rather than bags of fertilizer, what sort of explosive was used, and why is the FBI supplying public statements that do not support the government's own manuals? [....] Tony Sgarlatti tonys@the-truth.org OKC bombing info [updated 6/30/97] http://www.future.net/~thetruth/okc.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: RE: [Fwd: [jus-dare] Cops on Gun Laws] (fwd) Date: 01 Jul 1997 07:52:46 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Dave Delany's Freedom House wrote: > > *Jus Dare* > Cops on Gun Laws > > From: Lance Parker > Subject:What Cops think about Gun Control. > > The San Diego Police Officers Association polled its members about gun > control on 05 May 1997 and published the results in their official > newsletter, "The Informant". > > Note that the actual questions asked are stated here to prevent > confusion. Anyone who has taken a survey knows the pitfalls of > vague or misleading questions. > > 1. Do you support an assault weapons ban? > NO - 82.1% > > 2. Do you support a limitation on magazine capacity? > NO - 82.2% > > 3. Do you support a law-abiding private citizen's right to carry a > concealed weapon? > YES - 84.9% > > 4. Do you believe that armed, law-abiding citizens are a threat to > you as a police officer? > NO - 87.8% > > 5. Have recent gun laws (weapons bans, magazine capacity limits, and > increased waiting periods) reduced violent crime in your area? > NO - 94.2% > > 6. Would you support a point of sale background check (instant check) > for the purchase of a firearm? > YES - 92.1% > > 7. Does gun ownership by private citizens increase public safety? > YES - 87.1% > > 8. Do you believe the criminal justice system needs streamlining and > reform? > YES - 99.2% > > 9. Do you believe in the death penalty? > YES - 99.2% > > 10. Do you believe that restrictive gun laws will reduce violent > crime? > NO - 92.1% > > 11. Do you believe that gun buy-back or turn-in programs take guns > out > of the hands of criminals? > NO - 98.5% > > 12. Do you believe that misuse of a firearm in a crime should result > in > stiff, mandatory sentences with no plea bargaining? > YES - 95.6% > > These results are consistent with similar polls taken all across the > U.S. for over 20 years. > > Please contact the San Diego Police Officers Association for copies of > this poll or talk to your local police officer about his/her views on > gun control. > > Vote NO on I-676. > > Lance Parker > parker@nym.alias.net > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > *JUS DARE* > c/o Dave Delany's Freedom House > PO Box 212 Conklin NY 13748 > ======== > Sponsored by Mike Goldman and By.Net (http://Names.By.Net) > ======== > Perversion of the U.S. Supreme Court > *Jus Dare* means "to give or to make the law." > > To subscribe or unsubscribe to *Jus Dare*, send a message to > jus-dare-request@freedom.by.net > In the BODY, put the text "ADD" or "DELETE" respectively. -- "The opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional, and what not,... would make the judiciary a despotic branch." Thomas Jefferson "War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth fighting for is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares about more than his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." Anonymous. Seen on a poster at a gun show. timr@efn.org (541) 895-4417 - Voice (541) 895-4681 - FAX ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: MRC Alert: Foreign Scheme Begun in 1991; Stinging Starr (fwd) Date: 01 Jul 1997 07:54:56 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ***Media Research Center CyberAlert*** Tuesday, July 1, 1997 (Vol. Two; No. 98) Foreign Scheme Begun in 1991; Stinging Starr; Top Ten #### Distributed to over 2,500 recipients by the Media Research Center, bringing political balance to the media. Visit the MRC on the Web: http://www.mediaresearch.org. Past CyberAlerts can be read at: http://www.mediaresearch.org/mrc/cyberalert/ Subscribe/unsubscribe information at end of this message. #### 1) The LA Times discovered that the Democratic scheme to raise foreign money goes back to a 1991 trip led by Ron Brown. But the networks skip the latest Brown revelation. 2) Gwen Ifill, Gloria Borger, Linda Greenhouse, Margaret Carlson and Al Hunt all launch attacks on Ken Starr. 3) Letterman's "Top Ten Revelations About President Clinton's Sexual History." >>>> If you use AOL you may be reading this days from now. I've noticed that AOL mail delivery has become particularly slow. My personal AOL account has yet to receive the last four CyberAlerts. Normally, I would suggest that if your provider has problems that you go to the MRC Web site to read these updates, but unfortunately, our Web site on Town Hall is no more reliable than AOL. Town Hall has been down since Saturday and we don't know when it will be up again. <<<< > 1) The search for foreign donations to fund Democratic campaigns may have been launched by Ron Brown in 1991, the Los Angles Times reported on Monday in a story headlined "DNC Seen as Exploring Foreign Funding in 1991 Politics: Overseas Trip Led by Then-Chairman Ron Brown Explored Avenues for Contributions, Records Show." What the Times uncovered contradicts Clinton administration claims that the scandal is limited to a few low- level fundraisers who got over-enthusiastic in 1996. Coverage: Nothing Monday morning or Monday night on ABC, CBS and NBC. Just as the networks refused to pursue Nolanda Hill's charges aired on the June 18 Prime Time Live, so far they have ignored this latest wrinkle in Ron Brown's history. Though ABC and CBS devoted half their Monday night shows to Hong Kong (and NBC about 80 percent), they all found time for full stories on Mike Tyson and other less than critical news stories. All three aired items on how Benedict Arnold's sunken ship has been located in Lake Champlain. Monday's Today, MRC analyst Geoffrey Dickens noticed, couldn't find any time for the LA Times discovery, but managed to squeeze into the 7am newscast a story about an elephant at the LA zoo which fell over and couldn't get back up. Today also found time to note that Time and the New Yorker had reported that a former Arkansas state trooper had lied in stories he told about Clinton's infidelities. Here are the opening paragraph's of LA Times reporter Alan Miller's front page June 30 piece: "In cinematic terms, it may well have been the prequel to the epic 1996 Democratic fund-raising debacle. Foreshadowing key elements of last year's campaign-finance controversy, then-Democratic National Committee Chairman Ronald H. Brown and a coterie of Asian American activists -- individuals who now are central to federal investigations of foreign campaign contributions -- traveled to Taiwan, Hong Kong and Hawaii in late 1991. Their itinerary included meetings orchestrated by the fund-raisers, and their plans called for assessing future prospects for raising money in Taiwan and Hong Kong, according to a review of previously undisclosed records. "Examined in hindsight, information about Brown's involvement in the trip could undercut efforts by Democratic officials and the White House to portray foreign-linked fund-raising activities as the work of rogue, low-level individuals operating without party knowledge or supervision. "The 1991 trip, which has yet to draw the scrutiny of investigators, suggests that Brown, who later became President Clinton's Commerce Secretary and died last year, may have played a significant role in laying the groundwork for the Democrats' foreign-linked fund-raising. Money funneled into the DNC from Asia is at the core of ongoing Justice Department and congressional probes. "Brown 'knew that the mother lode for Asian money was closely connected to Taiwan and Jakarta and Hong Kong,' said a confidant. 'Ron always had dual purposes in everything...one was raising money for the DNC.'... "....The DNC entourage was joined in Taiwan by John Huang, who solicited at least $1.6 million in questionable foreign-linked contributions for the DNC in 1996, and Maria Hsia, who teamed with Huang to plan the controversial 1996 DNC fund-raiser at a Buddhist temple in Hacienda Heights, Calif.... "....In Hong Kong, Brown and his DNC colleagues were scheduled to attend a lunch and a dinner hosted by the Lippo Group, the Indonesia-based conglomerate that donated large sums to the DNC to support Clinton's presidential bids -- and employed Huang as its chief U.S. executive." UPDATE: CNN picked up, sort of, one of the scandal developments listed in the June 30 CyberAlert. As documented in that CyberAlert, other than one mention on GMA, the broadcast networks failed to report that notes from a White House aide suggested that the President made fundraising calls. MRC news analyst Clay Waters informed me that in a Saturday, June 28 World Today story on Clinton's newest campaign reform proposal, new CNN reporter John King gave one sentence to noting that congressional investigators are looking into the charge that Clinton made calls from the White House. But Clay observed that on neither Friday or Saturday night did CNN report the other developments cited in the last CyberAlert: The Senate committee giving immunity to four witnesses or news about how John Huang has a special interest in CIA briefings about China. > 2) On the weekend talk shows some top reporters were more concerned about the scope of Kenneth Starr's probe, urging him to wrap it up immediately, than in White House delays and obfuscation. These reporters seem more interested in discrediting the investigator than in learning what misdeeds Clinton may have committed. -- On Friday's Washington Week in Review, NBC News reporter Gwen Ifill asserted: "I think Ken Starr is, is bound and determined to make James Carville look good. James Carville is the President's attack dog who's been after Ken Starr for so long and every time the, another story surfaces in which it seems like Ken Starr is being a little bit too aggressive, going after things which are a little bit seemingly off the point that in, in ways that he can't necessarily justify, he feeds into that." Gloria Borger of U.S. News & World Report piped in: "I think Ken Starr better come up with something pretty quick. I, I think it, reading this, it looks like he's looking for pillow talk -- alleged pillow talk and..." Ifill: "Keep it right, alleged." Borger: "If there is such a thing -- alleged pillow talk. And, at a certain point you have to say, `Look, if you don't have the goods, you've got to get out of it.' And I think that, to a lot of people, this looks like a sort of a fishing expedition." Later, in this transcript that MRC intern Jessica Anderson got off the PBS Web site, New York Times Supreme Court reporter Linda Greenhouse argued: "I think what Starr is doing here, he's got his prosecutors' explanations and so on, but what he's really doing is playing with the long-term credibility of the institution of special prosecutors. I think people's patience is running out with that. And, you know, there may be a day in the country's history when we really need a special prosecutor, and I'm not sure that the currency won't have been spent by then." -- MRC news analyst Clay Waters caught this from Time magazine's Margaret Carlson on CNN's June 28 Capital Gang: "If the notes had something in them, I think he'd be in less trouble. But I don't think the notes do contain any information. It does turn out it was a matter of principle to fight for their release. It looks like he's on a fishing expedition, and a prurient fishing expedition at that, x-rated. Since this is a family show, I won't go into it. But there were many questions asked that didn't have anything to do with Madison Savings and Loan. And I don't know any pillow talk that involves land transactions and closing costs and sewer hook-ups and other things like that. So it does look like he's a desperate man looking for something at this late date, and, he'd said earlier in the investigation, 'I'm never going to do this. I'm not going to get into -- I'm not going to sink to that level.' And now he's sunk to it." The Wall Street Journal's Al Hunt agreed: "One is tempted to say that if he really is going to delve into everyone that Clinton supposedly slept with, this is going to be an awfully long investigation. But look, if this were the first instance of poor judgment on the part of this independent counsel, Ken Starr, you could say, 'All right, well fine.' You know. But it's not. There's been repeated and repeated instances of poor judgment. You know, even many conservatives privately now, as you suggested earlier, are fed up with Starr. It's time to finish this investigation. And the point of an independent counsel is to give credibility to a very sensitive inquiry. Ken Starr has flunked that test." How ironic: journalists blaming the messenger. > 3) From the June 27 Late Show with David Letterman, the "Top Ten Revelations About President Clinton's Sexual History." Copyright 1997 by Worldwide Pants, Incorporated. 10. Lost his virginity in a McDonald's drive-thru. 9. As a patriotic young man, owned an inflatable Betsy Ross. 8. He's President and founder of the Air Force One mile high club. 7. Owns pair of boxers that reads, "Home of the Washington Monument." 6. After his historic meeting with JFK, they went out and picked up a couple hookers. 5. Personally responsible for the entire teenage population of Arkansas. 4. Actually coined the term "Booty Call." 3. Just as in politics, he's never really satisfied anybody. 2. One time, back in the mid-eighties, he actually slept with Hillary. 1. For a change of pace, likes to sexually harass himself. At least Letterman's staff realizes it's Clinton, not Starr, who has committed misdeeds. -- Brent Baker >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message to: mrc-cyber-request@list.us.net. Put "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the BODY of the message, NOT in the subject line. Problems and comments can be addressed to: cyber@mediaresearch.org <<<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To unsubscribe from this mailing list, DISREGARD ANY INSTRUCTIONS ABOVE and go to the Web page at http://www.maillist.net/rightnow.html. New subscriptions can also be entered at this page. If you cannot access the World Wide Web, send an e-mail message to RightNow-Request@MailList.Net and on the SUBJECT LINE put the single word: unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Re:Notice of Intent to Execute Citizen's Arrest Date: 01 Jul 1997 09:57:33 -0500 (CDT) This is such a waste of time. We did a nation wide campaign in 1993 to get Reno to resign, to get the Texas AG to investigate Waco and to get a Congressional hearing. All we got was the white wash hearing. When are you folks going to understand that doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. You can not win by sending pieces of legalize paper to a corrupt system and expecting them to do anything with them. This government has been in a state of denial and cover up and obfuscation ever since the civil war. The only way we can reform it is to elect enough honest people at the city, county and state level to get the states to stand up for the people. That was the original intent of the balance of power. Sending pieces of paper to the Feds and expecting some kind of reform is like asking a pedophilia to stop abusing children. It ain't going to work ever. It is an exercise in mental masturbation only and gets you nothing but a good feeling that you did something. All of these "Patriot" attempts to reform the system are a wasted effort despite your passionate responses and pleas of how much work you think your particular pet project is accomplishing. Lets have a little review: 1. Militias: legal and proper at first but infiltrated by so many loser fat Bubbas running around in camouflage with scary guns and everyone was a general. This became a media nightmare that became prefect propaganda to scare the hell out of our ignorant fellow citizens. 2. Common law courts: Again mostly losers who were over represented by Christian Identity and old testament bible thumpers who claimed that no women or blacks could legally be on them. Went off on harassment tactics of putting liens and arrest warrants on elected officials. Perfect media propaganda screw up #2 pissing off the local government and scaring the hell out of the local citizens we need to have a chance at winning. 3. State Citizenship: Nice idea, just renounce all your attachments to the Feds and all will be happy. Only problem, the Feds control all markets so you have to be a hermit or pauper living off the land and barter. Kind of hard for the average Joe and if you do any volume of dollars they throw your butt in jail for any number of violations anyway. Besides hermits have never been know for forming new or better governments. 4. Republic of Texas: They found some interesting laws and treaties but went off on a tangent electing themselves as rulers in a West Texas barn with 150 supporters. Forget about the citizens of the State who did not get a chance to vote. Then they got power crazy with liens on elected officials and bogus Warrants to pay for merchandise they took by fraud from unsuspecting vendors. Gee just the kind of crooks and nuts I want to form a new government, Not.. Media nightmare failure #3 5. Survivalist preparedness expos: conjures up images of "Bunker Buddies" of the White Aryan Nations deep in the back woods of Arkansas. Propaganda media nightmare failure #4 6. Project 93, Vampire killer 2000, "Spike" Bo Gritz. All nice ideas that get you on the Feds round up and wiretap list. Do you really think the CIA would let Bo Gritz run around training people to fight them, Not. 7. Oklahoma bomb, TWA 800, Telephone act, National ID law, anti-terrorist law, and so on. All of these are the response by the Feds to what they see as a threat to their power. 8. Standing up as an individual or part of a illegitimate group that is not recognized by the general public only gets you on the attack list of the Feds and the propaganda list of the media. Both of which will only insure your eventual defeat. We have got to stop looking for some kind of short cut magic bullet that will suddenly reform the system. Only legitimate elections of people to local governments can protect the local people. It might be the Libertarian party or a reformed Republican or a Tax payer party but it has to be something that the people are not scared of and can warm up to over time and support. This current mess started soon after the ink was dried on the Constitution. The Elite and Noble families of the past never liked the idea of the common man having equal power. This is all about power and the right to use the Federal government to farm the property, labor and wealth of the common people for the benefit of the controlling elite. It will quite possibly take just as long to reform and repair the situation as it took to screw it up, hundreds of years. We have got to look long term not quick fix. If it was easy some one would have already figured it out and done it. Regards, Paul Watson, Dallas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack@minerva.com Subject: Re:Notice of Intent to Execute Citizen's Arrest Date: 01 Jul 1997 08:49:31 PDT roc@mail.xmission.com wrote : > >7. Oklahoma bomb, TWA 800, Telephone act, National ID law, anti-terrorist >law, and so on. All of these are the response by the Feds to what they >see as a threat to their power. I think you completely misunderstand the situation ..... no offense intended. I think the major problem is that most people do misunderstand the situation and their beliefs are rooted in a false reading of the actual state of the country / world 1) Many believe that if only the evil big business who bribe members of congress could be controlled then the world will return to a state of innocence and bliss without realizing that it is more a matter of corrupt government extorting business..... 2) There are others who like you in your next paragraph believe that if the country could only elect uncorrupt politicians and get parties that are somehow new and untainted with corruption that all will return to a state of innocence and bliss I think the actual situation that it is government as a separate living entity that is the problem. It is not corrupt politicians that direct government to do things but corrupt government that blackmails / threatens politicans into doing these horrible things All of these useless / evil acronyms have a much larger vested interest in their own integrity that the intergrity well being of the country or population as a whole. So, one imagines that in large enough numbers who ever is elected as soon he / she is in a position to investigate / cut budgets / clean out the stygian stables then the evil acronyms start looking at all the files they have accumulated and tell mr / ms reformer you really do not want the world to know about... now do you. In the rare circumstances when a person who has no blemishes gets in a position of power it is easy enough to have another unsolved plane crash........ I admit I have no immediate solution to this problem......but I am also quite convinced that no problem has ever been solved by devoting ones attention to solving spurious distractions that seem solvable. It is not that OKC or TWA800 or the WTC are so important of themselves but they are dreadfully important in showing that it is the totally corrupt useless acronyms protecting their own integrity that are the root cause of all the other problems > >8. Standing up as an individual or part of a illegitimate group that is >not recognized by the general public only gets you on the attack list of >the Feds and the propaganda list of the media. Both of which will only >insure your eventual defeat. > >We have got to stop looking for some kind of short cut magic bullet that >will suddenly reform the system. Only legitimate elections of people to >local governments can protect the local people. It might be the >Libertarian party or a reformed Republican or a Tax payer party but it >has to be something that the people are not scared of and can warm up to >over time and support. This current mess started soon after the ink was >dried on the Constitution. The Elite and Noble families of the past never >liked the idea of the common man having equal power. This is all about >power and the right to use the Federal government to farm the property, >labor and wealth of the common people for the benefit of the controlling >elite. It will quite possibly take just as long to reform and repair the >situation as it took to screw it up, hundreds of years. We have got to >look long term not quick fix. If it was easy some one would have already >figured it out and done it. >Regards, >Paul Watson, Dallas > > > > > > > > Jack Perrine | ATHENA Programming, Inc | 626-798-6574 | ---------------- | 1175 No. Altadena Drive | fax 398-8620 | jack@minerva.com | Pasadena, CA 91107 US | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Re: L&J: SLF: Notice of Intent to Execute Citizen's Arrest Date: 01 Jul 1997 12:17:14 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Paul Andrew Mitchell wrote: > You missed the most important point: > > I am the private attorney general now > proceeding on behalf of ALL People > of the United States of America, > particularly in People of the United > States of America v. United States et al., > recently filed in Jeff Davis County court, > Texas state. > > /s/ Paul Mitchell > http://www.supremelaw.com Paul, I am sure you are a nice well meaning patriotic American who is attempting to do what you think is best for the country. If you really think your legalize can stop a Federal government that gave its Black Gi's VD to see what happened with out treatment; that gave retarded children radioactive isotopes in their breakfast cereal to see what would happen; that had solders stand in fox holes 2 miles from a nuclear bomb blast to see what would happen; that left thousands of prisoners of war in North Vietnam after reneging on a payment; That shot a woman in the head while she held a baby; that shot, gassed and burned innocent Christian women and children in Waco; that let someone blow up a Federal building in Oklahoma killing hundreds of its own employees, that let someone shoot down a 747 TWA flight 800 and covered it up. If after all these few abuses that we know about and the many we don't you think your little paper tiger attack will work then more power to ya. Personally I think you have a better chance of lighting a fart in a gale wind. Regards, Paul Watson, Dallas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: L&J: SLF: Notice of Intent to Execute Citizen's Arrest Date: 01 Jul 1997 13:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Mr. Watson, I essentially concur with your analysis in the last two posts. We must achieve whatever we can achieve through the political process, and while there are good people in Federal employment, we must rail against those abuses that do occur. The most heartening thing that has happened in a while are Justice Thomas' comments re: the 2nd amendment as an individual right. Lets wish him long-life and a couple of Constitutionalist fellow employees over the next 8 years or so (not closet Statists like Souter). >down a 747 TWA flight 800 and covered it up. If after all these few >abuses that we know about and the many we don't you think your little paper >tiger attack will work then more power to ya. Personally I think you have >a better chance of lighting a fart in a gale wind. >Regards, >Paul Watson, Dallas With respect to lighting a fart in a gale wind - you just have to stand in the lee (downwind) of a wall that is approx. twice your height and you will have a nice quiet, virtually turbulence free, pocket to do this. So, setting a paper tiger lose on the Federal government is *much* more difficult than lighting a fart in a gale wind. ciao, jcurtis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: L&J: SLF: Notice of Intent to Execute Citizen's Arrest Date: 01 Jul 1997 13:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Mr. Watson, I essentially concur with your analysis in the last two posts. We must achieve whatever we can achieve through the political process, and while there are good people in Federal employment, we must rail against those abuses that do occur. The most heartening thing that has happened in a while are Justice Thomas' comments re: the 2nd amendment as an individual right. Lets wish him long-life and a couple of Constitutionalist fellow employees over the next 8 years or so (not closet Statists like Souter). >down a 747 TWA flight 800 and covered it up. If after all these few >abuses that we know about and the many we don't you think your little paper >tiger attack will work then more power to ya. Personally I think you have >a better chance of lighting a fart in a gale wind. >Regards, >Paul Watson, Dallas With respect to lighting a fart in a gale wind - you just have to stand in the lee (downwind) of a wall that is approx. twice your height and you will have a nice quiet, virtually turbulence free, pocket to do this. So, setting a paper tiger lose on the Federal government is *much* more difficult than lighting a fart in a gale wind. ciao, jcurtis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ Date: 01 Jul 1997 10:03:58 PST This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: L&J: SLF: Notice of Intent to Execute Citizen's Arrest Date: 01 Jul 1997 11:49:55 PST On Jul 1, John Curtis wrote: > > Mr. Watson, > > I essentially concur with your analysis in the last two > posts. We must achieve whatever we can achieve through > the political process, and while there are good people in > Federal employment, we must rail against those abuses that > do occur. The most heartening thing that has happened > in a while are Justice Thomas' comments re: the 2nd amendment > as an individual right. Lets wish him long-life and a > couple of Constitutionalist fellow employees over the next > 8 years or so (not closet Statists like Souter). > > >>down a 747 TWA flight 800 and covered it up. If after all these few >>abuses that we know about and the many we don't you think your little paper >>tiger attack will work then more power to ya. Personally I think you have >>a better chance of lighting a fart in a gale wind. >>Regards, >>Paul Watson, Dallas > > With respect to lighting a fart in a gale wind - you just have to > stand in the lee (downwind) of a wall that is approx. twice your > height and you will have a nice quiet, virtually turbulence free, > pocket to do this. > > So, setting a paper tiger lose on the Federal government is *much* > more difficult than lighting a fart in a gale wind. > > ciao, > > jcurtis Perhaps we should follow the advice of Benjamin Franklin's Pamphlet, and "Fart Proudly!". By the way if anyone has a copy of this, please send me one; It's periodically rumoured to be floating around the various History Depts. of Accademe. Even, (as is posited), Mr. Mitchell's efforts are doomed to failure, they are still worth while. If they succeed, HURRAH! If they don't, then they are still something the Statists have to deal with, and to that extent, they are using time and resources that they would otherwise be using against us. In that sense, his efforts, and the similar efforts of others, should be supported whenever possible. -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | If Guns are | Let he who hath no | Keep weapon in every | by COLT; | outlawed, only | weapon sell his | Your hand = Freedom | DIAL | RIGHT WINGERS | garment and buy a | Powder on every side! | 1911-A1. | will have Guns. | sword. Jesus Christ | Dry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: L&J: SLF: Notice of Intent to Execute Citizen's Arrest Date: 01 Jul 1997 15:24:58 -0400 (EDT) > >Even, (as is posited), Mr. Mitchell's efforts are doomed to failure, they >are still worth while. If they succeed, HURRAH! If they don't, then they >are still something the Statists have to deal with, and to that extent, they >are using time and resources that they would otherwise be using against us. >In that sense, his efforts, and the similar efforts of others, should be >supported whenever possible. > Well, I think its futile, but if it educates some its worthwhile. Its not like I've never done any futile before (often in a voting booth). I'm heartened about Justice Thomas and think that Constitutionalism is a road to rolling back some of the statist abuses. I think the next step is to convince people that having Congress pass a law isn't the solution to every (or maybe any) problem. ciao, jcurtis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: L&J: SLF: Notice of Intent to Execute Citizen's Arrest Date: 01 Jul 1997 12:54:20 PST On Jul 1, John Curtis wrote: (I wrote this part) :-) >>Even, (as is posited), Mr. Mitchell's efforts are doomed to failure, they >>are still worth while. If they succeed, HURRAH! If they don't, then they >>are still something the Statists have to deal with, and to that extent, they >>are using time and resources that they would otherwise be using against us. >>In that sense, his efforts, and the similar efforts of others, should be >>supported whenever possible. >> > Well, I think its futile, but if it educates some its worthwhile. > > Its not like I've never done any futile before (often in a voting > booth). > > I'm heartened about Justice Thomas and think that Constitutionalism > is a road to rolling back some of the statist abuses. I think the > next step is to convince people that having Congress pass a law isn't > the solution to every (or maybe any) problem. > > ciao, > > jcurtis Join the Club, most of us here have tilted at our share of windmills....:-) Then of course, there's the problem of convincing our Critters of that.... -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | If Guns are | Let he who hath no | Keep weapon in every | by COLT; | outlawed, only | weapon sell his | Your hand = Freedom | DIAL | RIGHT WINGERS | garment and buy a | Powder on every side! | 1911-A1. | will have Guns. | sword. Jesus Christ | Dry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: [FWIW] That's no bull! Date: 01 Jul 1997 20:58:28 -0400 And you think WE have problems!:-{)> X-Sender: jfish@earth Sender: owner-fwiw@earth.execpc.com Reply-To: owner-fwiw@earth.execpc.com FWIW The Lighter Side ---------------- A COW DID WHAT? By Dr. E. Neff >> Rescuers were skeptical when the crew of a >> trawler which sunk in the Sea of Japan >> claimed that it went down after a cow fell >> on it, shattering its hull. >> >> The trawler seamen were imprisoned. Then, >> several weeks later, came confirmation >> from Russia that the crew of one of its >> cargo aircraft had admitted to stealing >> several cows they found wandering on a >> Sakhalin island airfield, and loaded them >> aboard for the flight home. The terrified >> animals ran amok en route. Unable to >> restrain them, they lowered the cargo >> ramp and pushed them out at 30,000 feet. >> >> In addition to being incredulous, I >> began to wonder what law suits may come >> about as a result of this situation. The >> question arrises however, whether there >> is a violation of the Ocean Dumping Act >> or Hazards to Navigation Act. I finally >> decided it fell under the Maritime >> Mammal Protection Act. >> >> * Excerpted from PILOT magazine. >> >>Source: The Lincoln Log >> 1997 - Volume III, Book 10 >> >>Web site: http://members.aol.com/lhiadmof >> >> =================================================================== >> To subscribe to FWIW simply send the following: >> To: listserv@execpc.com >> Subj: (leave blank) >> Message: >> subscribe fwiw >> >> That's it! The welcome letter will tell you more! >> =================================================================== >> To unsubscribe, simply send the above instructed message, >> substituting "unsubscribe" where appropriate. >> =================================================================== >> Visit the largest on-line collection of quality >> non-mainstream "true" Conservative text files at: >> THE CONSERVATIVE CORNER - http://www.execpc.com/~jfish >> =================================================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"You exceed your rights when you urge that laws be made >in the shape of your conscience to block the pleasures >permitted by mine. When you people prevail, you commit >a crime against freedom, and that is the greatest >immorality I know." -Vance Bourjaily, Country Matters >(no date avail). Thanks to:Mark Johnson (onethumb@why.net) > >"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the >rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of >ignorance that tyranny begins." Benjamin Franklin > >"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our >liberties than standing armies." > --Thomas Jefferson (Thanks to Pat Fosness) > > "You exceed your rights when you urge that laws be made in the shape of your conscience to block the pleasures permitted by mine. When you people prevail, you commit a crime against freedom, and that is the greatest immorality I know." -Vance Bourjaily, Country Matters (no date avail). Thanks to:Mark Johnson (onethumb@why.net) "A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins." Benjamin Franklin "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson (Thanks to Pat Fosness) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Earth Summit: The Latest Clinton Globaloney Date: 01 Jul 1997 22:57:18 -0600 From article X-HTML: Xref: uunet biz.clarinet.webnews.usa:18699 Clinton Pledges Action to Cut U.S. Pollution Copyright 1997 by Reuters / Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:22:40 PDT UNITED NATIONS (Reuter) - President Clinton Thursday pledged $1 billion in new and existing funds over five years to help developing countries reduce their emissions of the greenhouse gases that cause damaging climate changes. In a speech to the U.N. Earth Summit, he also promised to reduce dangerous carbon emissions in the United States, but rejected pressure to commit to specific targets....[snip] Of the $1 billion in assistance, U.S. officials said $750 million would be shifted over five years from existing foreign aid programs, while other funds would be in loan guarantees. ``These funds will go to programs that support energy efficiency, develop alternative energy sources and improve resource management to promote growth that does not adversely affect the climate,'' Clinton said. *** [RSL] WARNING: PROPAGANDA PROGRAM TO COMMENCE.... [RSL] *** ***************************************************************************** He said he needed to convince the American people and the U.S. Congress that global warming was real and urgent and he would convene a White House conference on the topic. ***************************************************************************** SEE URL BELOW FOR FURTHER INFO.... ``We will work with our people -- and we will bring to the Kyoto conference in December a strong American commitment to realistic and binding limits that will significantly reduce our emissions of greenhouse gases,'' he said, referring to a meeting of industrial nations in Japan on climate change. OK, folks, the gauntlet has been thrown down. We have to educate our families, neighbors, friends and communities about the truth about global warming. Not only is it doubtful that global warming is really happening, but even if it is, there is strong evidence that such an effect is not harmful and could even be beneficial. I found a wealth of useful information on global warming at the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA); the URL is: http://www.ncpa.org/hotlines/global/gwhot.html for the Global Warming Hotline. I strongly suggest readers look there and elsewhere for scientific fact, not emotional pap. I'm going to start my personal campaign to debunk the globaloney spewed by the Greens. Remember, most Greens are really watermelons: green on the outside, but red on the inside. I refuse to let the Clintonistas steal $1B from our pockets without a vigorous fight. Yours in the Struggle, Bob _______________________________________________________________ | Robert S. 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Press Release, Text Version Date: 01 Jul 1997 22:57:29 -0600 I took the liberty (no pun intended) to decode that attached message from yesterday, bring it up into WP, then export to ASCII text. The original margins and indentation caused the funky line lengths and wraps. You get what you pay for.... Yours in the Struggle, Bob _______________________________________________________________ | Robert S. Linzell linzellr@datastar.net | | Disclaimer: The content of the preceding message reflects | | my opinion only, unless otherwise indicated. | | "Live" from South Mississippi State Motto: Virtute et Armis | |_______________________________________________________________| A Press Release From The CITIZENS ORGANIZATION For FOR PUBLIC SAFETY Immediate 1001 -A East Harmony Rd. #353 Release Ft. Collins, Co. 80525 June 27, 1997 A disturbing "spin" from the Washington Post In the June 20, 1997 edition of the Washington Post, Richard Leiby reports that machine gun fire into the Branch Davidian complex on April 19,1993, "didn't happen", according to the Maryland Advanced Development Laboratory in Greenbelt , Maryland. While we certainly hold an opposing view on this issue, we are perplexed by the Posts' spin on this story. The real issue centers on the Lab's attempt to compare one kind of infrared camera to a totally different kind of infrared device , and then calling it an 'apples to apples' comparison yielding "valid results." We would like to pose several questions of our own to the Washington Post with real expectations of their being answered. 1. Why didn't the Post report that, before the story was printed the reporter attempted to get the correct information on the make and model of the FLIR device used by the FBI, after being informed that the original information supplied by the FBI representative was incorrect ? This was the primary data used by the Maryland Institute to model computerized analysis of the "alleged" gun fire , and thereby critical information. As the old saying goes, "Garbage in - Garbage out!" The bad data skewed the test result to a false reading . 2. Why didn't the report contain the response of the FBI when Lieby asked for the correct Page 2 Press Release data on the device used at Waco ? At first the FBI relied on the old saw , " we can't give it to you because of 'National Security' concerns." The FLIR technology used at Waco had been "declassified" two years before the Waco incident . 3. Why didn't the report state that when pressed further for the correct information by the Posts' stalwart reporter, the FBI shifted to the ploy of "pending litigation prevents us from speaking to you further on this subject."? It's interesting to note the FBI was falling all over itself in cooperation with the Posts' first story on this subject ( Washington Post , 4-18-97 ) , even though the aforementioned "litigation" was "pending" even at that moment. 4. Why didn't the report give all the facts as to how the Post came to be in contact with the Maryland Institute ? The article leads the reader to believe that the Post sought out the Institute. In fact, the president of the institute contacted the reporter after reading the first story and "volunteered" to conduct some very costly tests for the Post ( at no costs to the paper ) . The Maryland Institute as a " volunteer" becomes interesting when we note that it does hold a valuable government contract to develop an infrared based counter-sniper detection system for the military. Additionally, the report failed to mention the fact that the Maryland Advanced Development Lab is part of the same operation (the University of Maryland) that provided the government's analysis of the fires at Waco. The government presented the findings of two "experts", Dr. James G. Quintiere and Dr. Fredrick Mower in a document entitled "Fire Development Analysis Mount Carmel Branch Davidian Compound , Waco Texas, April 19, 1993." Page 3 Press Release Dr. Quintieri presented those findings as a government witness for the prosecution in the Branch Davidian criminal trial in 1994. In 1995 Quintiere presented those findings to a Congressional committee investigating the government's role at Waco. At that time , Quintiere offered the original government hypothesis for the FLIR anomalies as "...flashes of sunlight off of debris in the rubble." Dr. Quintiere is not a FLIR expert. His expertise lies in the field of fire development and progression - he is an arson investigation instructor at the University of Maryland. In the final analyses, the questions raised by our film on the gunfire at the back of the Branch Davidian complex on April 19, 1993, still stand unanswered. Hopefully , the Washington Post will see fit to answer our questions about their reporting on June 20. Until then , we continue to welcome all scientific inquiry into the subject of Federal gunfire at Waco on April the 19th , 1993. To that end we have attached a copy of a letter to the Editor of the Washington Post , written by our FLIR expert, Dr. Allard, restating his position on the gunfire issues addressed in the Post's story of June 20,1997. Additionally, we feel compelled to observe a fact of contemporary journalistic life. It was best expressed by Texas journalist Dick Reavis in a recent commentary on the media , "Reporters are like doctors that work for HMOs - we aint callin the shots no more. Bean counters and investors ( Publishers) are." ( "Nieman Fellow , Dick Reavis). While we are disturbed by the Post's 'diagnosis' , we appreciate the honest efforts of "Doctor" Lieby . We continue to have every confidence in the position taken by our expert, those of CBS "60 Minutes", and others - the images in the FBI FLIR footage are consistent with automatic Page 4 Press Release weapons fire being directed at the Branch Davidians from the back of the complex on the 19th of April, 1993. Michael J. McNulty , Producer/ Researcher "Waco - the Rules of Engagement". Director of Citizens Organization for Public Safety William Gazecki , Producer/Director "Waco - the Rules of Engagement" Please see Michael McNulty regarding questions OFFICE ( 970) 472 - 9048 FAX (970) 472 -9049 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Re: L&J: Re:Notice of Intent to Execute Citizen's Arrest Date: 02 Jul 1997 08:26:24 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Dennis Clark wrote: > > OK, Great, I guess we all just need to cut our throats and get it over > with now. So we are going to elect the right people this time . RIGHT. > You mean like we did in 1994, you know the REPUBLICAN REVOLUTION, NOT!!! No, what I mean is in most local school board, city council, county commissioner only a small percent of the population votes. If we in the patriot-constitution community could get our act together and spend as much time organizing political action and supporting a candidate as we do attempting every other kind of short cut we could get our kind of people in office. Once we took control of the lower levels we could stop the NWO folks, all politics is local! Right now most of the local politicians are Federal want-to-be's who will support any stupid National Socialist program if it helps them on the next job level. Once we got a hold of the local county we could then run people for the state level. Only a state has the power to stop the Feds, you or a congressman or senator does not. The constitution is a bilateral contract agreement between the states to form a more perfect union with a federal government to represent the national interest. The state is the principal the federal is the agent of the contract agreement. It is the same as a partnership. That is why a real constitutional amendment has to pass the houses of the states, they are the real principal under the law. That is why the senators in DC were supposed to be appointed from the states legislature and not popular vote. That was the state balance of power because they had total control over half of the legislative side of Washington DC. The republican revolution scared the hell out of Newt and the power elite structure in Washington and they cut the republican freshmen off at the knees. The last thing the Republicans and Democrats want is someone to mess up their ability to farm us for their own personal benefit. That is why the Republican party ran Dole a Liberal Socialist from the Eastern Elite establishment Rockefeller side of the party. That is why Dole vilified and demonized Larry Pratt of Gun owners of America and Buchanan as right wing extremist. In Washington DC an extremist is anyone who wants to replace the National Socialism of both parties with Nationalism and or personal Liberty. That would upset the ability of the Trans national corporations and their board of directors and Washington elites ability to farm our wealth, labor, capital and property. Regards, Paul Watson, Dallas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: JFK and CIA hired Mob to Kill Castro Date: 02 Jul 1997 12:27:11 -0500 (CDT) - -- This is certainly not a run of the mill story ... - -- Anyone care to speculate as to what is going on ... and if, and how, this release fits in with any current US policy developments towards Castro? - -- Maybe this will be the subject Clinton's next apology ... - - - - After CIA offered $150,000, mob said it would kill Castro for free Associated Press, 07/01/97 17:34 WASHINGTON (AP) - The CIA offered $150,000 to assassinate Fidel Castro in the early 1960s, but the mob insisted on taking the job for free, according to a newly declassified document. ``We were at (ideological) war,'' says Robert Maheu, who as a Las Vegas private investigator on the CIA payroll in 1960 hired Chicago crime boss Sam Giancana for the hit. ``Would it be folly to go after Saddam Hussein during the Gulf War or to go after Hitler during World War II?'' The underworld murder-for-hire contract was detailed in a summary of a May 1962 CIA briefing for then-Attorney General Robert Kennedy. By then, the Kennedy White House had launched its unsuccessful Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba and several assassination attempts against Castro had failed. The memo is among 450 documents, nearly all newly declassified, that are included in a soon-to-be released State Department volume, ``Cuba, 1961-62.'' Only two copies of the three-page memo were made, one each for the attorney general and CIA headquarters. In the memo, then-CIA director of security Sheffield Edwards writes that senior agency officials approved plots to kill Castro between August 1960 and May 1961. The White House isn't mentioned. ``Knowledge of this project ... was kept to a total of six persons,'' Edwards wrote. At least two assassination attempts were made with CIA-supplied lethal pills and organized crime-made muscle in early 1961, according to the memo and congressional hearings in 1975. Lawmakers counted a total of eight CIA tries to kill Castro in the early 1960s; Castro bragged the number was two dozen. The memo said Maheu contacted John Rosselli, a top Giancana lieutenant, to arrange the hits on Castro. ``A figure of $150,000 was set by the agency as a payment to be made on completion of the operation,'' the memo said. Rosselli and Giancana ``emphatically stated that they wished no part of any payment,'' it added. - ->> Still, $11,000 in expenses were paid. Rosselli and Giancana, both later victims of mob hits, weren't told the U.S. government put the contract out on Castro, but they ``guessed or assumed that CIA was behind the project,'' the memo concludes. After the Bay of Pigs invasion failed to oust Castro in April 1961, President Kennedy and his brother, the attorney general, tacitly approved a renewed CIA effort to kill the Cuban leader. ``They were telling the CIA, `Do whatever it takes to get rid of Castro,''' says Peter Kornbluh, senior analyst at the National Security Archives, a private research organization. Louis Smith, senior State Department historian for the book, said the Kennedys were obsessed with eliminating their communist nemesis. ``Robert Kennedy gave (then-deputy CIA director Richard) Bissell hell for not getting rid of Castro the first time around, so Bissell took this as a green light to go forward again with assassination plots,'' Smith said. At the time, Robert Kennedy was running ``Operation Mongoose,'' which used propaganda to gin up revolt among Cubans. ``A measure of the Kennedy administration's renewed determination to eliminate Castro was the reauthorization of assassination attempts on the Cuban premier,'' says a summary of the State Department volume. CIA Bay of Pigs project manager Jacob Esterline, now 79, said he lost heart when he learned of the top-secret plans to kill Castro. ``Somebody thought it was some magic cure,'' says Esterline, who paid the assassination attempt bills. ``Even after all these years, it's still painful.'' The first plans to oust Castro began before Kennedy took office. ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Federal police review board set up Date: 02 Jul 1997 12:36:17 -0500 (CDT) This is a chilling little piece that illustrates the mindset of those who favor the federalization of law enforcement -- like Janet Reno and Bill Clinton and Dick Gephardt. usn FOP: Extremist Coalition Gets Civilian Review Board U.S. Newswire 1 Jul 17:22 FOP: Extremist Coalition Gets Civilian Review Board, But We Get Last Laugh To: National Desk Contact: James Pasco of the Fraternal Order of Police, 202-547-8189 WASHINGTON, July 1 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by the Fraternal Order of Police: After a two-year legislative battle, an NRA/ACLU coalition got the anti-police commission they were looking for -- but the 278,000 member Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) will get the last laugh. House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt's appointment of President Gil Gallegos to the "National Commission for the Advancement of Federal Law Enforcement" was something that the NRA and ACLU never counted on. This means that when the "Commission" meets, President Gallegos will be there to protect the rights and reputations of federal officers. The oldest and largest police organization in the United States, the FOP counts more than 25,000 federal officers among its membership. The FOP is committed to the ultimate abolition of the commission. Until it is, however, the FOP will be in attendance at all meetings to ensure that the truth is heard. "We cannot allow the national anti-police trend to continue unchallenged," said Gallegos, "if we aren't careful, the extremists behind this 'Commission' will be expanding their anti-law enforcement agenda to include state and local officers." Gallegos extended thanks to Minority Leader Gephardt, whose actions ensured the rank and file police officers will have a voice on this "Commission." He also thanked the Federal Law Enforcement Officers' Association, and their president, Rich Gallo, for joining in joining strong opposition to this "Commission." Funding for the extremely controversial "Commission on the Advancement of Federal Law Enforcement" was included in the final version of H.R. 1469, the primary purpose of which was flood and disaster relief. The "Commission" is the brainchild of a coalition which included the NRA and ACLU, who lobbied strenuously both for its passage (in 1996) and more recently for its funding. The goal of the NRA/ACLU coalition in seeking this commission is to obtain the authority to revisit Federal cases and investigations with a view to uncovering "past abuses" by federal officers. The FOP opposed this legislation very strongly, based on our belief that this "Commission" would be nothing more than a civilian review board for federal officers. They argued that federal officers already answer to civilians in the persons of Cabinet Officers who oversee the Justice Department, Treasury Department and others. Congress also vigorously oversees law enforcement agency activities - -- think back to the exhaustive House and Senate hearings on Waco and Ruby Ridge. The FOP further argued that a commission made up of individuals with no insight into ongoing investigations might well jeopardize those investigations and put law enforcement personnel at risk. In fact the proponents of this "Commission" specifically excluded any Executive Branch representatives from membership. -0- /U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/ 07/01 17:22 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Howlin' Blue" Subject: Grampa Snitch Date: 02 Jul 1997 13:26:15 -0600 from the tulsa world Elohim City Leader Admits He Provided FBI With Information By David Harper World Staff Writer 7/2/97 The revelation comes to light during testimony for James Viefhaus Jr. and Carol Howe, Tulsans who are charged with making bomb threats. Elohim City leader Robert Millar confirmed Tuesday night that he has responded openly through the years to any law enforcement officials who had questions, including representatives of the FBI. The revelation came in response to testimony from an FBI agent this week in federal court in Tulsa that Millar has provided federal authorities with information. However, Millar said he objects to the term "informant" because he thinks that term implies that he is "running" to law enforcement officials to tell them things. He said he does not initiate contact with law enforcement officers but does cooperate if they contact him. Millar said he has talked to the FBI, a local sheriff and the Drug Enforcement Administration. He said that although he doesn't remember providing information to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, he may have several years ago. The agent's disclosure came during consecutive days of pretrial hearings in the government's case against former ATF informant Carol Howe and James Dodson Viefhaus Jr. Howe and Viefhaus were charged in March with willfully making a bomb threat, possessing a nonregistered destructive device and conspiracy. The charges arose in the aftermath of the FBI's learning of a statement on the couple's answering machine that 15 U.S. cities would be bombed beginning Dec. 15, 1996, unless action was taken by "white warriors" by that date. Various materials found at the residence Howe and Viefhaus shared could have been converted into a bomb, according to the government. Howe's attorney, Clark O. Brewster, asserts that many of the items found at the house had been collected by Howe as part of her work as an ATF informant. Several motions are pending before the court in the case, which is scheduled to go to trial July 21. Brewster called special FBI agent Pete Rickel to the witness stand Monday. During the course of that examination, Rickel said Millar occasionally provided information to the government. Rickel did not divulge any specifics about what Millar allegedly has told the FBI through the years. He did say, however, that he is unaware of any information Millar has provided the FBI about Howe. Millar, who has been described as a "guru" of the so- called Christian Identity movement, established Elohim City in 1973. The compound previously has been referred to as a white- separatist enclave. Timothy McVeigh reportedly placed a phone call to Elohim City just two weeks before he bombed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building on April 19, 1995, killing 168 people and injuring hundreds more. Howe reportedly has maintained that she warned the government in advance of the Oklahoma City bombing by saying that local white separatist Dennis Mahon and German national Andreas Strassmeier, who was living at Elohim City, were casing the Murrah Building and two other buildings. The government has denied this, saying Howe's role as an informant ended in March 1995 and that she told the ATF only that Mahon and Strassmeier had discussed bombing plans after the Oklahoma City blast occurred. Howe was subpoenaed to testify in the McVeigh trial in Denver and even had the electronic monitoring aspect of her bond on the case here suspended so she could journey to Colorado. However, U.S. District Judge Richard P. Matsch ruled that Howe's testimony would be "irrelevant" in the case against McVeigh. One of the motions currently before the court in the case against Howe and Viefhaus is a defense request that Howe's statements to the FBI during the time the search warrant was served on her home should be suppressed because she was not read her Miranda rights. The government counters that Howe was not in custody and thus Miranda warnings were not necessary. FBI agent Josh Nixon said Howe actually asked to be taken from the house she shared with Viefhaus because of the reporters and photographers who began to swarm the residence when the Tulsa Police Department Bomb Squad was called. An item that initially was thought to be a pipe bomb turned out not to be one. Nixon said Howe told him she was an ATF informant who went to Elohim City after the bombing. FBI agent D.J. Dunlap, who accompanied Nixon in the Dec. 13, 1996, interview with Howe, said Howe did not mention to her any ATF informant activity she had undertaken before the Oklahoma City bombing, only after the blast. Dunlap said Howe claimed that she went to Elohim City shortly after the Oklahoma City bombing as part of her ATF duties. Howe's cover as an informant apparently was blown in May 1996, and she was concerned about her safety, Dunlap said. Rickel corroborated that Howe apparently was fearful about her safety in May 1996. Rickel, who said his role in the Murrah Building bombing investigation has been to cover "leads" and develop an intelligence base on the militia, said he talked to Howe to ask about Elohim City. Rickel said Howe did not mention being an ATF informant before the bombing, but he admitted that he didn't ask her about such a role directly. ATF agent Angela Graham (known at one point as Angela Finley) said Howe kept tabs on Mahon, making tapes and collecting materials as part of her surveillance. Graham said Howe provided items such as black gunpowder, shrapnel and green cannon fuse allegedly obtained from Mahon on a piecemeal basis but said the objects were returned by the ATF because "in and of themselves none of it was illegal. There's nothing illegal about possession of those items by themselves." Graham said she did not remember Howe providing a "joint of pipe" from a storage shed that belonged to Mahon. In fact, she said she couldn't remember anything about Mahon having a storage shed. Howe also reportedly related a tale about Mahon allegedly exploding a "500 pound bomb" under a car in Michigan several years ago. Millar said Howe stayed at Elohim City for about six weeks before the Oklahoma City bombing. He said he had heard that she might be an informant of some sort but that he didn't mind because Howe's reports might "do us some good." Millar said he was disappointed, though, when he heard that Howe had tried to entrap some of Elohim City's younger residents into "something illegal." He said he doesn't think tax dollars should be spent like that. The indictment against Howe and Viefhaus alleges that they possessed "Ragnar's Big Book of Homemade Weapons: Building and Keeping Your Arsenal Secure" and a Department of the Army Technical Manual, "Improvised Munitions Handbook." Brewster asked Graham if Howe had shown her those books as part of the large amount of documentation she apparently turned over during her surveillance. Graham said she did not recall those two titles being submitted. Brewster asked Graham if she had heard about an alleged February 1995 meeting of federal authorities concerning Elohim City and whether that meeting led to Howe's ceasing to visit Elohim City in the weeks leading to the bombing. Graham said she had never heard of such a meeting. Graham added that Howe's written reports about life in Elohim City were never verified. Graham said Howe did not wear a recording wire at Elohim City because of safety concerns. Brewster and Viefhaus' attorney, Craig Bryant, again urged Burrage to toss out the bomb threat count under a variety of legal theories. Brewster said the answering machine message was political speech that was not a threat but instead was a description of what was contained in a letter from a "high- ranking revolutionary commander." Brewster said the alleged threat was also contingent on actions of third parties. He also pointed out that since Howe's voice was on the tape, she should not be charged under the specific language of the federal bomb-threat statute. In Denver, Rob Nigh, an attorney for convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, said the disclosure that Millar had provided the FBI with information from time to time could affect McVeigh's appeal. ``It certainly could have an impact in that we tried to present evidence concerning Elohim City and threats against the Murrah Building,'' Nigh said. ``I can't say definitively, at this point, what this means to McVeigh.'' "This is the first public indication that we're aware of that Robert Millar was an informant for the FBI. It came from people other than Tim McVeigh. There still are a lot of unanswered questions. More information continually comes to light.'' Asked if the McVeigh defense knew of Millar's relationship with the FBI, Nigh replied: ``I'd rather not say.'' Nigh is preparing a motion for a new trial for McVeigh, who was condemned to death June 13. Ken Blood, one of the people who petitioned for a state grand jury to investigate whether a broader conspiracy was involved in the Oklahoma City bombing, said that in light of Tuesday's revelation, he anticipates that Millar will be a candidate to testify before the grand jury. He said it will be up to Oklahoma County District Attorney Bob Macy's office to call Millar and other people whom Blood and others who sought the petition think will prove their case. Blood said three to five FBI informants could be called before the grand jury if Macy agrees to it. Millar said he would gladly cooperate with the Oklahoma grand jury, which began meeting Monday, if he is called. He said he strongly opposes violence, except in cases in which his family might be threatened with attack. He said he would help authorities if people at Elohim City were planning violent actions against the outside world. "Terrorism doesn't work," Millar said. "Violence begets violence. Anarchy is not good for anyone." Millar said that although the federal government World staff writers Julie DelCour and Brian Ford contributed to this story. [Image] Name: Email: Letter: * Letters intended for publication must include a day-time telephone number. Subscribe to the Tulsa World; Report a missing Newspaper; Place an Ad in the Tulsa World; email the newsroom; or the Webmaster. Copyright 1996, World Publishing Co. All rights reserved. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Grampa Snitch Date: 02 Jul 1997 14:49:49 -0400 (EDT) > > Howe's cover as an > informant apparently was blown in > May 1996, and she was concerned > about her safety, Dunlap said. > So, the woman who says she is a BATF informant and was not allowed to testify in the McV trial is now on trial herself for making bomb threats? Hmmmm. Guess they really want to dirty her up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boydk@wrq.com Subject: Re: JFK and CIA hired Mob to Kill Castro Date: 02 Jul 1997 12:48:50 -0700 save me from my confusion here I'm not really sure why this was on the clinton admin scandal list...? Also, nobody I hang out with has any question about the mob hit "conspiracy theory" that's floated around since those days. Who in heavens name would expect the mob -not- to hit someone who stole millions of dollars of assets from them (the havanna casinos) and a cash cow of a income flow. Havanna was the hawaii of its day only starlets and gamblers didnt have to 1) sit in a couped up L1011 for 11 hours to get there and 2) not gamble once they got there. Of course the mob wanted/wants castro dead. Far as the CIA payment, the real surprise there is how -cheap- it was. I mean, think of the money that could (should) have been spent on Bay of Pigs support ops and 150k isn't even a down payment. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boydk@wrq.com Subject: Sorry! (was Re: JFK and CIA hired Mob to Kill Castro) Date: 02 Jul 1997 13:20:53 -0700 Sorry! I really meant to send this email to Paul alone, and it was not intended to be critical of him. (Just sortof an "and so...?" kinda thing. Boyd ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Author: Boyd Kneeland at Seattle save me from my confusion here I'm not really sure why this was on the clinton admin scandal list...? Also, nobody I hang out with has any question about the mob hit "conspiracy theory" that's floated around since those days. Who in heavens name would expect the mob -not- to hit someone who stole millions of dollars of assets from them (the havanna casinos) and a cash cow of a income flow. Havanna was the hawaii of its day only starlets and gamblers didnt have to 1) sit in a couped up L1011 for 11 hours to get there and 2) not gamble once they got there. Of course the mob wanted/wants castro dead. Far as the CIA payment, the real surprise there is how -cheap- it was. I mean, think of the money that could (should) have been spent on Bay of Pigs support ops and 150k isn't even a down payment. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Branch Davidians Re: Fwd: Appendix "G" (fwd) Date: 02 Jul 1997 17:02:58 -0500 (CDT) USA House Hearings on the slaughter of the Branch Davidians Appendix G to the House report. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hallejuluh! Here it is. Carol Moore in D.C.--Belly of the Bully Boys cmoore@capaccess.org Report of THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY on the BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, AND FIREARMS Investigation of Vernon Wayne Howell also known as David Koresh September 1993 Appendix G A BRIEF HISTORY OF FEDERAL FIREARMS ENFORCEMENT Frederick S. Calhoun, Ph.D. Historian Federal Law Enforcement Training Center The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) is a relatively young law enforcement organization, having been created formally in 1972. Yet, measured by the federal laws related to the regulation and taxing of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms--the laws ATF now enforces--the history of the bureau's duties and responsibilities stretches across the full two centuries of American history. As early as 1791, revenue acts taxed both alcohol and tobacco and created the offices of tax inspector, collector, and supervisor. During the next century, the offices changed names as frequently as the tax rates changed, but the federal interest in raising revenues from alcohol and tobacco remained strong. Indeed, the formal organization of an independent bureau within the Department of Treasury specializing in alcohol, tobacco, and firearms law enforcement belatedly recognized the distinct need for such an agency. After the Civil War, revenue agents battled moonshiners throughout the South in some of the bloodiest opposition ever to federal law enforcement. Revenue agents and deputy U.S. marshals by the score were killed as they roamed the hills and hollows searching out illicit stills. Prohibition changed the government's focus from taxing whiskey to banning it, yet the revenue agent's job remained as dangerous. After experimenting in social adjustment a dozen years, Prohibition was rescinded. Spawned by the 1933 repeal of Prohibition, the Alcohol Tax Unit was established as a tax-collecting branch within the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Continued concern over the violent, organized mobs that plagued the major cities compelled the federal government to try to curb the gangsters' ability to arm themselves. Rather than ban outright the purchase of machineguns and sawed-off shotguns--the weapons of choice for the mobsters--Congress in 1934 simply imposed a tax those weapons. Paying the tax required registering the weapon. The registration requirement was intended to discourage ownership of such weapons without outlawing them. No self-respecting gangster would want to register, much less pay the tax, on his Tommygun. Their evasion of the tax gave the government another legal tool to use in arresting the gangsters and breaking up the mobs. Because it was a tax rather than a prohibition, it fell to Treasury to enforce the law as part of Treasury's role in collecting all funds due the government. Within Treasury, the Alcohol Tax Unit seemed the logical branch to enforce the new law. Registering and taxing stills required many of the same procedures and investigatory talents that would be needed to register and tax weapons. In the end, the new assignment proved comparatively easy. The unit was not overwhelmed with registrations nor by the 1940s were the investigations into evasions of the tax very time-consuming. As the gangsters declined in number and power, so did their use of machineguns and sawed-off shotguns. Enforcing the alcohol taxes again occupied most of the unit's attention. In 1951, the Alcohol Tax Unit began enforcing federal taxes on tobacco, thus prompting a name change in 1952 to the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division. Once again, the logic seemed to be that collecting the tax on tobacco closely resembled the work necessary to collect the tax on alcohol, machineguns, and sawed-off shotguns. The 1968 passage of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act and the Gun Control Act expanded the IRS unit's jurisdiction to the criminal use of explosives and bombs. The new laws also defined specific federal offenses involving firearms, including transportation across state lines and use in organized crimes. In recognition of this new enforcement responsibility, the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division changed its name to the Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Division (ATFD). Two years later, Congress passed the Explosives Control Act defining certain bombings and acts of arson as federal crimes. It assigned jurisdiction for enforcing this new law to ATFD. With these expanded responsibilities, the Treasury Department on July 1, 1972 created the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms under the general oversight of the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Enforcement, Tariffs and Trade, and Operations. For the past twenty-one years, ATF has enforced the collection of federal taxes on alcohol and tobacco and the federal controls and regulations on firearms, with particular attention to their use by criminals. Although on its face the bureau seems a discordant collection of separate duties, the techniques for enforcing the taxes and ferreting out the illicit products, whether cases of whiskey, cartons of cigarettes, crates of automatic weapons, or containers of bombs, are strikingly similar. Subsequent laws have expanded ATF's jurisdiction. The 1976 Arms Export Control Act focused the bureau's attention on international gun smuggling. The 1982 Anti-Arson Act gave ATF authority to investigate the destruction of property by fire as well as by explosives. Increased taxes on cigarettes and alcohol, and enhanced regulatory measures such as the 1978 Contraband Cigarette Act, have also enhanced the bureau's responsibility to ensure the government receives its lawful taxes. The bureau has been an effective force in law enforcement. Supplies of illicit alcohol and smuggled tobacco have steadily decreased, and tax revenues have risen. During 1991, for example, ATF collected $7.7 billion in alcohol taxes and $4.8 billion in tobacco taxes. ATF agents have also focused on tracking down armed career criminals and criminal gang members. Investigations in Florida resulted in the arrest of 45 Warlock motorcycle gang members in 1991. Members of the Gullymen Posse, a gang of Jamaican drug dealers known for its propensity to commit murder, were arrested in New York by ATF agents in January 1991. Similarly, an ATF investigation into the activities of the Born to Kill gang culminated in the arrest of a dozen gang members in August 1991. Sixteen members of the San Diego chapter of the Hells Angels were convicted in 1992. As a result of these and similar investigations, ATF has become the nation's principal repository for gang-related information and intelligence. The bureau has also earned an excellent reputation for working well with federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies. ATF agents also specialize in identifying anonymous bombers by their "signature" habits in making bombs. For example, in 1990, the assassin of Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Robert Vance was ultimately identified by ATF agents who recognized the way the bomb was constructed. Similarly, in the midst of the tragedy in Waco, Texas, ATF agents investigating the World Trade Center bombing helped to identify the van that was used to hold the bomb. This early identification led FBI agents to the rental car company and thereafter to arrests of the terrorists before they could escape the country. The bureau has developed considerable expertise in arson investigations. At the request of the National Fire Protection Agency, ATF began developing nationwide standards for fire investigators. The State Department's Diplomatic Security Service invited ATF to develop a protocol establishing an International Response Team of investigators trained to search blast scenes involving U.S. property abroad. Despite a rather eclectic array of duties, ATF has succeeded in developing considerable expertise in each area of its enforcement responsibilities. The raid by ATF agents on the Branch Davidian compound resulted from its enforcement of contemporary federal firearms laws. In a larger sense, however, the raid fit within an historic, well-established and well-defended government interest in prohibiting and breaking up all organized groups that sought to arm or fortify themselves. The 1934 law taxing weapons was only the first time the federal government addressed private ownership of weapons; it was not the first federal effort to control firearms. From its earliest formation, the federal government has actively suppressed any effort by disgruntled or rebellious citizens to coalesce into an armed group, however small the group, petty its complaint, or grandiose its ambition. The collection of large arsenals by organized groups lent itself, ultimately, to the violent use of those weapons against the government itself or portions of its citizenry. Indeed, federal agents who tried to disband the groups frequently became the targets. The discomfort over armed organizations predated the Constitution. The outbreak of what became known as Shays' Rebellion in 1786 gave added urgency to the establishment of a strong national government. During the rebellion, hundreds of angry Massachusetts farmers, most veterans of the Revolution and facing foreclosures on their farms, banded together to keep the courts from issuing any executions. Calling themselves Regulators, the farmers quickly organized into a small army. Significantly, their first foray was to capture the arsenal at Spring field. Although the Regulators failed, the specter survived. Five months, delegates from each of the thirteen states met in Philadelphia to design a new experiment in government. The lesson of Shays' Rebellion was not forgotten, even after the new government was formed. In 1792, Congress passed a law empowering the president to call out the state militias to suppress insurrections if either an associate justice of the Supreme Court or a local district court judge certified that opposition to the laws was beyond the powers of the civil authority to suppress. Ironically, the first occasion to resort to that law grew out of the violent, organized, and armed resistance to the federal government's whiskey tax. Thus, two of the duties that ATF would later inherent--enforcing alcohol taxes and controlling firearms--combusted in 1794 into the Whiskey Rebellion, the first violent opposition to the new federal government. (1) Across the next century, succeeding presidents had sporadic, though no less fearsome, occasion to dispatch the Army and the state militias to suppress various outbreaks of armed opposition to federal laws, taxes, and interests. In 1799, Fries Rebellion against a federal tax on houses forced President John Adams to muster the militia. Fugitive slave rescues during the 1850s prompted the government to call out the military. Organized resistance in Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, Ohio, and Wisconsin raised a troublesome specter. "The main opposition," President Millard Fillmore warned Congress in December 1851, "is aimed against the Constitution itself." At the end of the decade, John Brown's ill-fated raid on (1) Bowen, Miracle at Philadelphia, p. 287; Frederick S. Calhoun, The Lawmen. United States Marshals and Their Deputies, 1789-1989, (Washington, D.C.: Smithsonian Institution Press~ 1990), p. 32. Harper's Ferry, Virginia, sparked the government to decisive action. Brown chose Harper's Ferry because of the federal arsenal there. His intent was to distribute the weapons among Southern slaves and lead them in revolt for their freedom. Federal troops, however, thwarted the plan.(2) After the Civil War, the federal government battled unrepentant Southerners to protect the rights of the freedmen. Nonetheless, federal officials acted only after the innumerable Klan-style attacks were finally perceived as organized. "Outrages of various descriptions," Attorney General George Williams advised southern U.S. Attorneys and Marshals in 1874, "and in some cases atrocious murders have been committed in your district by bodies of armed men, sometimes in disguise and with the view it is believed of overawing and intimidating peaceable and law abiding citizens and depriving them of the rights guaranteed to them by the Constitution and laws of the United States." The attorney general ordered his attorneys and marshals "to detect, expose, arrest, and punish the perpetrators of these crimes.''(3) Throughout the western territories and along the Mexican border, the federal government found occasional need to suppress armed bands of outlaws, ganged together to steal cattle or rob the mails. General William Tecumseh Sherman, sent to the Arizona border in April 1882 to investigate the outlaw troubles there, advised President Chester A. Arthur that "the (2) Fillmore quoted in W.U. Hensel, The Christiana Rio and the Treason Trials of 1851. An Historical Sketch, (New York: Negro Universities Press, 1911), pp. 92-3; Calhoun, The Lawmen. pp. 82-93. (3) Attorney General George Williams, circular letter to U.S. Attorneys and Marshals, September 3, 1874, Attorney General Instruction Book E, Record Group 60, Records of the Department of Justice, National Archives. Civil Officers have not sufficient forces to make arrests, to hold prisoners for trial or punish when convicted." The President promptly proclaimed on May 31 that the areas plagued by the outlaws were in a state of rebellion.(4) The federal government looked no more kindly on the labor strikes that broke out in the closing years of the nineteenth century and the opening years of the twentieth. What seemed so dangerous about events such as the 1894 Pullman strike was not just the disruption of the mails, which was the legal basis on which the government relied to break the strike, but the fact that the mails were being violently disrupted by organized groups. "We have been brought to the ragged edge of anarchy," Attorney General Richard Olney frantically explained when he ordered that the trains be kept running. Eventually, Eugene Debs and his colleagues in the American Railway Union, which took the lead in the strike, were indicted and convicted. Once again, it was the volatile mixture of violence and organization--combinations determined difficult to suppress--that evoked the full power of the federal government.(5) The passage of the National Firearms Act of 1934, the first federal effort to control private ownership of firearms, grew out of this historic fear of armed organizations. The various collections of gangsters that proliferated during Prohibition were the true targets of the law, which required a tax and registration on the sale of their weapons of choice--machineguns (4) General William Tecumseh Sherman to Attorney General Benjamin Brewster, April 12, 1882, Source-Chronological Files, Record Group 60, National Archives; Calhoun, The Lawmen, p. 196; Larry Ball, United States Marshals of Arizona and New Mexico, 1846-1912, (Albuquerque, NM: University of New Mexico Press, 1978), pp. 125-6. (5) Almont Lindsey, The Pullman Strike, (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1967), p. 245, 274-92; Calhoun, The Lawmen, 209, 214. and sawed-off shotguns. Subsequent federal firearms laws have been of a piece. Other than the 1968 ban on mail-order sales, which was in direct, though delayed, response to the assassination of President Kennedy, federal gun laws have typically been concerned with the weapons of considerable destructive power generally preferred by organized groups--bombs, machineguns, and automatic weapons. In recent times, the federal government has shown itself even less patient with armed groups than it had historically. Radical extremists of both the Right and the Left have been pursued aggressively once they began breaking the law. For instance, after the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) launched its self-styled "people's war" by kidnapping newspaper heiress Patty Hearst and committing a number of daring bankrobberies, the federal government dedicated its full resources to tracking the group down. Within approximately three months, FBI agents and Los Angeles police closed in on the group at a house just outside what was then known as Watts. During an intense gun battle and fire, every member of the SLA in the house was killed.(6) Gordon Kahl, who stood at the opposite end of the political spectrum from the SLA, met a similar end. Kahl belonged to the Posse Comitatus which refused to recognize the authority of any government above the county level. Accordingly, Kahl consistently refused to pay his federal taxes, even after he served time in prison for not doing so. When U.S. Marshals attempted to arrest him for violating the terms of his probation, Kahl killed two of them. For the next five months, Kahl hid among his friends and sympathizers until FBI agents located him (6) Los Angeles Times, May 18, 1974. in a farmhouse just outside Smithville, Arkansas. After refusing to surrender, Kahl was killed, and the farmhouse was burned down.(7) Robert Matthews, the head of a group of right-wing fanatics known as the Order, embraced many of Kahl's beliefs. Unlike Kahl, whose resistance was essentially passive until the marshals tried to arrest him, Matthews and the Order launched an aggressive private war against the country. Like the SLA, the Order committed a series of bank and armored car robberies, netting $3.6 million in one heist alone. The Order also assassinated Alan Berg, a radio talk show host in Denver, Colorado. The FBI began an equally aggressive pursuit. After a brief, violent skirmish in Idaho and another in Portland, Oregon, FBI agents finally closed in on Matthews hiding out among three adjoining houses on Whidbey Island, some fifty miles north of Seattle. After negotiating his surrender for two days, Matthews began firing on an FBI Hostage Response Team that attempted to enter the house. Protected by a full suit of body armor, Matthews ran from the first floor to the second floor firing automatic weapons. The FBI dropped a magnesium flare from a helicopter. The flare landed on the roof of the house and burned through it to the room where Matthews had stored his ammunition and explosives. These ignited, setting off a roaring, exploding fire that consumed Matthews.(8) (7) James Corcoran, Bitter Harvest Gordon Kahl and the Posse Comitatus: Murder in the Heartland, (New York: Viking Press, 1990). (8) James Coates, Armed and Dangerous. The Rise of the Survivalist Right, (New York: Hill and Wang, 1987), pp. 41-76. A year later, in the spring of 1985, ATF collected considerable evidence that an 80-member group styling itself the Covenant of the Sword and the Arm of the Lord (CSA) had stockpiled a large arsenal at its fortified compound in Arkansas. The group had collected over 150 firearms, (including 35 machineguns), two anti-personnel mines, three anti-aircraft rockets, 50 pounds of military plastic explosives, 300 blasting caps, 2,000 feet of detonating cord, and around 100 explosive devices. CSA had also stockpiled food, water, and supplies. ATF led the assault on the CSA compound on April 20, 1985. CSA members retreated farther into the compound, barricading themselves behind their defenses. The agents set up a siege perimeter and settled in to wait. The group used the wait to destroy many of the weapons (and hence evidence) illegally obtained. Negotiators from the FBI arrived and began the tedious, frustrating process of talking the group out. Three days later, on April 22, 1985, James D. Ellison and the 75 members of the CSA surrendered.(9) As both history and recent events clearly show, the United States has never tolerated armed groups residing within its borders. The intent of the particular organization, whether ideological or criminal, mattered little. If the group was building an illegal arsenal, the group was subject to a federal enforcement action. To this day, ATF's enforcement focus retains the flavor of that historic concern with armed organizations. The agency has developed considerable expertise and success in investigating the activities of motorcycle, street, and drug gangs, all of which share in common a proclivity to amass large arsenals of powerful weapons. (9) James Coates, Armed and Dangerous. The Rise of the Survivalist Right, (New York: Hill and Wang, 1987), pp. 142-4. The raid on the Branch Davidian compound occurred in the context of that historical background. END Appendix G Treasury Dept. Report on Waco ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Ed Asner at it again (fwd) Date: 02 Jul 1997 17:05:49 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Posted to texas-gun-owners by consults@primenet.com Re: For your information and action Ed Asner is running an anti Hand Gun program in California. Ed Assner, has an 800 number you can call to get a package of paper's. 800 numbers cost money, and so does sending out literature. We are starting a campaign to get as many people as possible to call and order the package. Included in the package is a return envelope that we want to see people enclose there opionion's in and return it. The 800 number has an automated system, and a manual system with an operator. USE THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM IF POSSIBLE, IT EATS UP MORE TIME! The 800 number is ( 800-222-6269 ) Call it, and get as many people as you can to also call and order the package. Joe Horn, IQC#1933156 -- For help with Majordomo commands, send a message to majordomo@zilker.net with the word help in the message body. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: [Fwd: Truth in Media's GLOBAL WATCH Bulletin 97/7-3 (2-Jul-97)] (fwd) Date: 02 Jul 1997 17:28:55 -0500 (CDT) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. 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Moore Part 2 of 3 * * * Iran, Other Muslims Countries Renew Pledges of Military Support for Bosnian Muslims * * * THE GLOBAL "MEGACORP" STATE WEXFORD, Ireland - Within the context of the anarchistic nation-state world system, the all-but-implemented final stage is a Global Imperial America. But if such were to be formally instituted, it would be highly unstable. Uncle Sam trying to rule a traditionally-structured world empire would make the Vietnam debacle look like a Sunday picnic. It is a tribute to the acumen (I didn't say wisdom) of our world leaders that they were well aware of this final-stage instability, and that they took effective steps to institute a new organizing principle. Preparations began during WW II (FDR & Churchill's United Nations Declaration) for the first-ever hierarchical world system. Since that time, by means (both overt and covert) of treaty arrangements, economic/political pressures, and military interventions, the US has used its dominant position to guide, bribe, and coerce the world into its current globalist phase. Globalization brings the necessary new organizing principle, a principle stable enough to create and maintain a new world order - at least for a while. The new principle is capitalist/corporate hegemony, and the infrastructure which supports it is the collection of transnational corporations, with their astronomical resources and control of the global economy. To a large extent, the "megacorps" already are the world system. They operate globally, they directly control global finances and much of the world's economic activity, and they've put together a set of mechanisms (WTO et. al.) that regulates, on a harmonious collaborative basis, the rules of their collective game. Globalization, at its heart, is the yielding of political sovereignty to this proven corporate system - acknowledging that nation-states have evolved themselves into a historical cul-de-sac. If the corporate elite can keep the world-system trains running, so to speak, that seems to be preferable, to many, to the uncertain future of nation-state political developments. The price to be paid - disenfranchisement and exploitation of the citizenry - is not clearly marked on the price tag of globalization. As the price becomes widely evident - as it already is in the Third World - instability will arise from citizen unrest. Similarly, as the elite-controlled multinational force takes over control of international affairs, the media has recently announced a planned reduction in coverage of international news. Purportedly reflecting changes in viewer preferences, the reduced coverage can more reasonably be taken as a verification of the fact that military interventions are now to be decided above the level national governments, and that popular rabble-rousing for such activity will no longer be required. What I'm describing, in case it's not apparent, is the death of democracy. After a brief two-centuries of existence, democracy is being superseded by a corporate variety of neo-feudalism. Weakened and subservient nation-states are becoming hardly more than fiefdoms, whose governments have little role other than to keep the population in line and extract tribute (personal taxes) to be passed on to the corporate overlords as repayment of debt. All foreign policy and activity, and most domestic policy and activity, is to be managed off-line from the democratic process by the lords of the manor - corporations and their representative agencies. The democratic institutions themselves may continue to exist, with elections, legislatures, courts, etc., but the governments are being disempowered, and the whole notion of meaningful popular sovereignty via representative democracy is rapidly becoming only a nostalgic memory. Thus the anarchistic nation-state world system is being replaced by a hierarchical world system with the WTO et. al. at the apex of the social and economic power pyramid, and the US-NATO axis at the apex of the military power pyramid - both controlled by the same elite corporate interests. This leaves us, however, with an anarchistic economic system. To be sure the WTO et. al. lay down the ground rules as a central authority, but the operating economy itself - who owns what, which development projects are to be undertaken, whether beans or corn will be planted, who will merge with whom, etc. - is an anarchistic competitive game. The disenfranchisement, exploitation, and instability that is in store for everyone is bound to lead, as noted earlier, to chronic social unrest in the First World as well as the Third. In the meantime, social services, unemployment, infrastructure maintenance, and crime have all been greatly worsened by the intentional bankrupting of governments. Already we've seen massive protests of globalist measures in the First World, including Australia, France, and Germany. This then is the overall picture of our globalist future: nations - possibly devolved in size - reduced to police-state, tax-collecting fiefdoms, paying tribute to outside-the-law corporate overlords - who in the meantime are organizing themselves into global monopolies while they operate the world's affairs. One is reminded of the evidently prophetic visions of such futuristic films as Rollerball and Blade Runner, with their haunting images of "megacorp" splendor contrasted with social squalor, repressive police, and political bankruptcy. If at a future time some nation might decide to re-assert its sovereignty through repudiation of treaties and debts and the expropriation of corporate facilities, then the multilateral force can make short shrift of such boldness, much as the US has done for decades in Latin America. That which globalism joins together, none may dare set asunder. There's a proud array of soldiers - what do they round your door? They guard our master's granaries from the thin hands of the poor. Lady Jane Wilde (1826-96): The Famine Years It is perhaps ironic that the final end of major warfare - an achievement right-thinking people for centuries have yearned for - seems destined to usher in an ominous new Dark Millennium. Be careful what you ask for, warned the sage, you might get more than you bargained for. So true. But there is a ray of hope: corporate globalism is not the only possible future. It is not mandated by natural forces - media propaganda notwithstanding - but is the intentional result of think-tank research, elite planning, and corporate political activism. For a few years yet - very few - democratic institutions may retain enough power that an aroused citizenry could achieve political ascendancy in their several nations in time to moderate the plunge into a global laissez-faire "corporatist" regime. The time is running short for political movements of sufficient breadth and vision to emerge from the sea of vague dissatisfaction and provide a focus for citizen awakening. Any potential leaders and organizers who want to make a difference had better focus on the Main Problem and seek, with others, to form broad, inclusive, coalition movements around reclaiming democracy, reasserting national sovereignty, and restructuring the relationship (tax and regulatory) between governments and corporations. ...Can't add my name into the fight when I'm gone And I won't be laughing at the lies when I'm gone And I can't question how or when or why when I'm gone Can't live proud enough to die when I'm gone So I guess I'll have to do it while I'm here. Phil Ochs: When I'm Gone End of Part 2 of 3 - to be continued... Copyright 1997 by Richard K. Moore, E-mail: rkmoore@iol.ie Adapted for Truth in Media by the author from "China vs. Globalization - the Final War and the Dark Millennium" (New Dawn magazine, July-August 1997). This and other articles by the author can be found at: ftp://ftp.iol.ie/users/rkmoore/cyberlib IRAN, OTHER MUSLIM COUNTRIES PLEDGE MILITARY AID FOR BOSNIAN MUSLIMS SARAJEVO - Iran and other Moslem countries renewed pledges to offer free military training and other assistance to the Bosnian federation army at a conference in Sarajevo, Pakistan's foreign secretary said on June 28, according to a Reuter's report. Iran, Turkey, Jordan, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Indonesia and Pakistan have pledged to help train Bosnian soldiers as part of efforts to bolster the Moslem-Croat federation army, Shamshad Ahmad, Pakistani foreign secretary, told reporters. "Iran has also offered to train about 3,000 personnel and to provide assistance in de-mining operations," he said. Ahmad spoke at the close of a two-day conference of the Organisation for Islamic Countries (OIC) which met to discuss peacetime aid for Bosnia-Herzegovina. A report issued by an OIC military committee said that Iran had promised to establish a training camp in Bosnia for the federation, to assist with rebuilding the local defense industry and to train pilots and air traffic controllers. Under the "train and equip" military aid programme, the United States and Islamic states are donating weapons and funds to strengthen the federation army as a counterweight to Bosnian Serb forces backed by the Yugoslav army. Apart from Iran's offers of assistance, Turkey has promised to train one tank and one artillery company, Jordan offered to instruct soldiers on M-60 tanks, Egypt said it planned border security courses and Indonesia pledged training for engineering and medical units, Ahmad said. Malaysia had offered military training and was also considering providing assistance to arms factories and setting up English language instruction for federation soldiers, the OIC report said. ---- Ed. Now get this: the Clinton administration has hoodwinked Congress into approving the funds to train and equip Bosnian Muslims on the basis that the U.S. would DISPLACE Iran's influence in Bosnia. Yet we now find out that Iran is still in there alongside the American troops and instructors. So who is Bill Clinton really working for? (for a clue - see the columns "Ayatollah Klintonmeini," TIM GW Bulletin 96-04, 4/15/96, and, "U.S. Policy Shouldn't Side with Militant Islam," the WASHINGTON TIMES, 9/15/96). "Having either Mr. (Bill) Clinton or Mr. (Bob) Dole in charge of the U.S. national security is like hiring a fox to guard a chicken coop. With the American people inside," I said in that WT piece. ---- Bob Djurdjevic TRUTH IN MEDIA Phoenix, Arizona e-mail: bobdj@djurdjevic.com LINKS: http://www.forbes.com/tool/html/returns0610.htm (Forbes column) http://www.he.net/~cra/news/233.htm (McVeigh verdict column) http://www.djurdjevic.com (Annex Research home page) --------------2DBF136C772-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Globaloney Update Date: 02 Jul 1997 22:41:29 -0600 I saw that today's (7/2/97) _Washington Times_ has an editorial on global warming (http://www.washtimes.com/); look under the Opinions section. The author points out several problems inherent in detecting climate change and in finding how human activity could possibly be linked to climate change. Also pointed out were fundamental problems in computer modeling of global climate. Good read and more ammo for those of us who include truth in our arsenals. A very interesting and informative Web site is http://www.globalwarming.com, which is sponsored in part by the National Consumer Coalition. Check it out. It has quite a bit of information (and links) on the UN Climate Change treaty. It has a summary of the treaty, which the U.S. ratified in October 1995. Of particular interest is the requirement that developed countries provide economic and technological assistance to developing countries in meeting the requirements of the treaty. There are a few pages describing in layman's terms the effects of tightening greenhouse gas and other restrictive environmental laws. The social and economic impacts are emphasized, and there are numerous direct and indirect aspects I never would have considered. Inform yourselves, then spread the word. Help stamp out the hot air in D.C.! Yours in the Struggle, Bob _______________________________________________________________ | Robert S. Linzell linzellr@datastar.net | | Disclaimer: The content of the preceding message reflects | | my opinion only, unless otherwise indicated. | | "Live" from South Mississippi State Motto: Virtute et Armis | |_______________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: Re: Ed Asner at it again (fwd) Date: 02 Jul 1997 21:11:54 -0700 (PDT) At 05:05 PM 7/2/97 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 14:44:29 -0700 >From: consults@primenet.com >Subject: Ed Asner at it again > >Posted to texas-gun-owners by consults@primenet.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Re: For your information and action > > >Ed Asner is running an anti Hand Gun program in California. >Ed Assner, has an 800 number you can call to get a package of paper's. >800 numbers cost money, and so does sending out literature. We are >starting a campaign to get as many people as possible to call and order >the package. > >Included in the package is a return envelope that we want to see people >enclose there opionion's in and return it. The 800 number has an automated >system, and a manual system with an operator. > >USE THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM IF POSSIBLE, IT EATS UP MORE TIME! > >The 800 number is ( 800-222-6269 ) Call it, and get as many people as >you can to also call and order the package. > > > >Joe Horn, >IQC#1933156 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-- >For help with Majordomo commands, send a message to majordomo@zilker.net >with the word help in the message body. > > When you have an 800 number the phone number from which a call comes in is automatically recorded. Don't do the above more than once from any single phone number. (Hint: Use pay phones.) But have the package sent to any address you have handy just so it will cost them money. A number of political 800 lines have been shut down with these tactics. S. "Life is always hopelessly complex to those who have no principles." -- Joseph Sobran "The most dangerous kind of ignorance is the ignorance of the educated." -- Thomas Sowell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Branch Davidians Re: Fwd: Appendix "G" (fwd) Date: 03 Jul 1997 12:31:19 -0400 (EDT) >way the bomb was constructed. Similarly, in >the midst of the tragedy >in Waco, Texas, ATF agents investigating >the World Trade Center bombing helped to >identify the van that was >used to hold the bomb. This early >identification led FBI agents to the rental >car company and thereafter to arrests >of the terrorists before they could escape >the country. Ahh. So that's how they did it. I guess the FBI informant who helped them mix the bomb forgot to phone it. This was the same guy who told his superiors that they were about to mix the ANFO and asked if he should 'fix' the bomb so it would not be effective, and was told "no". This stuff just gets lost in the sands of time. George Orwell got it right. regards, jcurtis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Workforce Bill Wins Quick Passage (fwd) Date: 03 Jul 1997 14:23:41 -0500 (CDT) And the new corporate-socialist world order marches on: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Workforce Bill Wins Quick Passage WASHINGTON, D.C. - The House of Representatives approved H.R. 1385, the Employment, Training and Literacy Act of 1997, on May 16 after the House Committee on Education and the Workforce had approved the bill on April 30. The final vote was 343 voting in favor, 60 against, 30 not voting. Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) was one of only a few Representatives to speak against H.R. 1385. On April 17, Buck McKeon (R-CA), Bill Goodling (R-PA), and Dale Kildee (D-MI) introduced the bill, a new version of last year's CAREERS bill (H.R. 1617) with some cosmetic changes and the addition of a section on parent literacy. Since their introduction in 1962, federal job-training programs have consistently failed in their mission. "Federal job training programs, of any sort, further the destructive idea that the proper role of the federal government is to provide for the needs of its citizens," said Rep. Paul. "The belief that Congress has a moral duty to minister to the health and welfare of the populace, both of America and the world, is directly responsible for the growth of the welfare-warfare state which threatens to destroy America's economic prosperity and, as important, liberty, wholesale." H.R. 1385 would establish Local Workforce Development Boards, which are essential for the continuation of School-to-Work programs. Federal law will dictate the function and composition of these Governor-appointed boards, to be composed of a "majority" of businessmen plus token representatives of local schools and community colleges. The bill gives tremendous power to Governors, who are accountable to the Secretaries of Labor and Education rather than to their constituents. Each Local Workforce Development Board would submit to the Governor "a comprehensive 3-year strategic local plan" to identify local industries, job seekers, workers, training delivery systems, and "the roles of individual employment." The Board would provide "a description of the steps the local board will take to work with local educational agencies [i.e., the schools] . . . to address local employment, education, and training needs." Spending "such sums as necessary," these Local Workforce Development Boards are authorized to link training services to "occupations for which there is a demand in the local workforce development area." The notion that a government board is capable of determining what jobs will be in demand in the future is an illusion of Robert Reich and others in the Clinton Administration who admire countries where economic czars control national industrial policy. H.R. 1385 would finance computer inputing of students' personal data through the Labor Market Information Programs. H.R. 1385 would give the Secretary of Labor powers to coordinate and develop "a nationwide system of labor exchange services for the general public, provided as part of the full service employment and training delivery systems of the States." H.R. 1385 would establish a National Institute for Literacy to "coordinate literacy services." The bill redefines literacy as being able "to function on the job," rather than as being able to read. While H.R. 1385 is being marketed as "job training," it proposes to spend a lot of money "to make sustainable changes in a family." H.R. 1385 would provide funds for grants and contracts for "Family Literacy Services," defined in the bill as "training for parents on how to be the primary teacher for their children and full partners in the education of their children." "Federal involvement in child rearing," said Rep. Paul, "violates the very principles upon which this country was founded. In a free society, such as that bequeathed to America by the drafters of the constitution, the family, not the government, is responsible for the raising of children. State control of child raising is, in fact, one of the hallmarks of totalitarianism." H.R. 1385 creates a type of corporate welfare by providing for "skills upgrading" for those already employed. "Despite a budget of billions of dollars out of balance, this bill creates a new entitlement for already-employed workers and their employers to receive more training courtesy of the American taxpayer," said Rep. Paul. The bill also authorizes the Secretary of Labor to use taxpayers' dollars to subsidize labor unions for "research and demonstration projects." Critics say that buying off these organized groups further erodes the American free enterprise system and pushes it toward a centrally-planned economy. In his remarks before the vote, Rep. James Traficant (D-OH) expressed concern over the types of jobs for which H.R. 1385 would retrain workers. "The occupational classifications of new jobs listed by the Department of Labor scare me. . . . I want to just let the gentlemen hear a few: belly builder; plate stacker; streetlight repairer helper; diaper machine tender; dog washer; dog food mixer; earmuff assembler; brassiere cup molder cutter; sweatband shaper; ball point pen cartridge tester; feather stitcher; ribbon winder; puzzle assembler; dope mixer; bosom presser; sanitary napkin folder; pantyhose crotch closer." "Congress," said Rep. Paul, "must begin considering whether the Constitution provides any authorization for the federal government to have any role in programs such as job training. America's experiment with the provider state has failed. This Congress must stop draining resources from the private job-training initiatives and disrupting the operations of the greatest job-creation process known to humankind: the free market." Inside the June Education Reporter . . .=20 =09* Workforce Bill Wins Quick Passage * =91Work Keys=92 Bolsters School-to-Work * A Student=92s Perspective of Work Keys * Education Briefs * Book of the Month -- Sex: What You Don't Know Can Kill Yo= u * Certificates of Mastery vs. Diplomas * The Ultimate Reading List -- Classics That Endure found at: http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/1997/june97/er_jun97.html - -------------------------- Eagle Forum http://www.eagleforum.org PO Box 618 eagle@eagleforum.org Alton, IL 62002 618-462-5415 - -------------------------- To subscribe please e-mail us a message with=20 SUBSCRIBE in the subject line --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Copyrighted material contained within this document is used in | | compliance with the United States Code, Title 17, Section 107, | | "for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching" | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: OOPS! WACO: Rules of Engagement NOT on NET (fwd) Date: 03 Jul 1997 16:24:40 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Friends, OOPS! We forwarded a couple days ago a message that the provocative movie "WACO: Rules of Engagement" was going to be on TV. We now have learned that only the producers and a couple clips will be on NET. We are sorry for the misunderstanding and hope that you will still try to watch the feature if able. Dave - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Mark, I think there has been a misunderstanding and the fault lies on NET. I have just been informed that NET is not running WACO: Rules of Engagement. We are instead interviewing the producers of the movie on NET's "Next Revolution" program. I know the web site says otherwise and it is being currently revised to state what I just said. Sorry for the confusion. I guess the promo that's runing on the air is unclear as well. That is currently being reviewed too. 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Totty" Subject: Re: L&J: Re:Notice of Intent to Execute Citizen's Arrest Date: 03 Jul 1997 15:01:46 -0700 Paul, You wrote: [...] The republican revolution scared the hell out of Newt and the power elite structure in Washington and they cut the republican freshmen off at the knees. [...] Perhaps then, we should reidentify the RNC & the DNC as the Republican NAZI Committee and the Demeocratic NAZI Committee, respectively. I say NAZI, because that was the party of the National Socialists in Germany of the 1930's. If they keep on acting as such, may the shoe fit - precisely. ET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E. J. Totty" Subject: Re: L&J: Re:Notice of Intent to Execute Citizen's Arrest Date: 03 Jul 1997 15:01:46 -0700 Paul, You wrote: [...] The republican revolution scared the hell out of Newt and the power elite structure in Washington and they cut the republican freshmen off at the knees. [...] Perhaps then, we should reidentify the RNC & the DNC as the Republican NAZI Committee and the Demeocratic NAZI Committee, respectively. I say NAZI, because that was the party of the National Socialists in Germany of the 1930's. If they keep on acting as such, may the shoe fit - precisely. ET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E. J. Totty" Subject: Re: Federal police review board set up Date: 03 Jul 1997 16:45:40 -0700 Paul, You wrote: [...] FOP: Extremist Coalition Gets Civilian Review Board, But We Get Last Laugh . . . WASHINGTON, July 1 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by the Fraternal Order of Police: [...] Uh, yeah. Nothing like counting your chicks before they hatch? By their own statements, they presume to torpedo the Board. Sounds to me like a case of conspiracy to defraud to government. Anybody want to ask the U.S. AG to look into this? ET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E. J. Totty" Subject: Re: Federal police review board set up Date: 03 Jul 1997 16:45:40 -0700 Paul, You wrote: [...] FOP: Extremist Coalition Gets Civilian Review Board, But We Get Last Laugh . . . WASHINGTON, July 1 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by the Fraternal Order of Police: [...] Uh, yeah. Nothing like counting your chicks before they hatch? By their own statements, they presume to torpedo the Board. Sounds to me like a case of conspiracy to defraud to government. Anybody want to ask the U.S. AG to look into this? ET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E. J. Totty" Subject: Re: (fwd) Shootout Causes Waco-like CS Gas Fireball (Repost) (fwd) Date: 04 Jul 1997 14:06:17 -0700 To all, Today, I sit here before the cyclops of my desk, pondering the thoughts that pass through my conciousness, some fleeting, others for whatever reason, hang around for closer inspection, as though begging for attention. My mail read, answered, and neatly stored, I want to end this session neatly and pursue other more mundane activities, things more cerebral and pleasing, but my conscience speaks to me, pleading to ananlyze just one more thought here, pleading to commit it to the electronic paper of my cyclops. So I acquiesce, and surrender one more time to my inner self, lest the idea be lost in the thought continuum of from whence it emminated. I sit, listening to the noise outside my window. Various bangs, hisses, kabooms, and other assorted noises relative to the Fourth of July. Note, that I did not say "Independence Day". I try hard, real hard not to be arrogant, because that is one attitude I cannot bear to suffer from another human. So, I look introspectively at my own past, and ponder that in relation to what I know to exist today. The noises occur as punctuations in the relative silence that is not usual to the area I currently live. Mostly, on a daily basis, there is that not to distant hum on tires on pavement, and the noises of daily commerce, the sirens of the police, fire, and emergency responce vehicles periodically screaming in the distance, intermingling with the cyclic thrum of traffic. I awoke early, with the sun just above the horizon, to the silence of the dawn. But it wasn't really silent, for there was the chatter of some local birds in the trees, and to those who know the haunting sound of a woodthrush, with its diminishing trill, my morning was complete. I was, for a time, at piece with the world. The peace was a welcome change to behold. Later, at about 10:00 am, the noise began. Don't get me wrong here, I do not enjoin another the fun of fireworks, for surely that has become a tradition of sorts, to celebrate with all manner of noisy and visual displays of whatever passes for fun. But I am dismayed. Those who make most of noise, have no respect for others to begin with. How do I know? They don't control their children, who willfully destroy planted areas, leave massive amounts of trash about for others to clean up, and in general make life less enjoyable. It is _they_ who are making all that noise. It is their parents who have no respect for any other, have no understanding of what freedom really is, and could care less about any insults to freedom, as long as the beer is cold, there is ample televison to absorb, the power is on, and there is plenty of gas in their vehicle for whatever trip they may embark. They celebrate the Fouth of July. The concept of all that noise escapes their understanding, of what it is supposed to represent: The noise of the American Revolution. When I was but 7 or 8, my father bought some fireworks, and we went to a park where others were setting off their fireworks too. He told me: Son, picture in your mind the muskets and the cannon of the freedom fighters, and with every bang, there goes another of the kings soldiers! Remember too, all of those men and women who died to make us free . . . Remember . . . We did a lot 'shooting' that day. The noise of Independance Day, is not lost on me. It is the noise of the Fourth of July, that is. It has, in most respects, become just another holiday, punctuated by a tradition which has lost its meaning. Such as Christmas. I suppose some would take me to task, for presupposing that others should enamor themselves with the history of the event. And I suppose they may have a valid point. Who am I to peddle the liquor of freedom? Why should I be concerned of the reasoning of others? Perhaps I am arrogant afterall. But better to be arrogant about all the right things, than about all the wrong things. I cannot read the minds of other people, so I cannot begin to presume that they think in any certain way. But it is their daily acts and words that betray their inner thought processes. When today passes unto tomorrow, and the sun rises to a new day, the word patriot will again resume the new meaning assigned by the current powers that be. The flags will come down, and be stored for another event. Only the extremists will fly old glory daily. It is okay to be a patriot for one day, as long as one does not fully enamor themselves of its meaning, and its consequences: to love one's country and the themes of freedom, and to practice them daily. So, when you set off that next firecracker, think: Musket and cannon, think freedom's fighters. And remember: Patriotism does not last just one day. Let us celebrate Independence from oppression and tyranny, and the false prophets of commerce and the libidinousness avarice of political power. Let us celebrate it daily, but let it culminate on Independence Day. ET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: help (fwd) Date: 04 Jul 1997 12:15:12 PST Not quite on topic, but hey, it's the 4th..... On Jul 4, C. D. Tavares wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > I need help, again. > Could someone please give me the actual Jefferson quote regarding the > Tree of Liberty being nurished by the blood of tyrants and patriots. Since its context is also interesting, I will reproduce here the entire letter to Col. William S. Smith, sent from Paris, November 13, 1787. Not only does Jefferson declare that the blood of patriots and tyrants is the natural manure of the tree of liberty, he also cautions that what you read in the press about pro-liberty movements is natural manure of quite a different sort. * * * "I am now to ackno[w]ledge the receipt of your favors of October the 4th, 8th, & 26th. In the last you apologise for your letters of introduction to Americans coming here. It is so far from needing apology on your part, that it calls for thanks on mine. I endeavor to shew civilities to all the Americans who come here, & will give me opportunities of doing it: and it is a matter of comfort to know from a good quarter what they are, & how far I may go in my attentions to them. Can you send me Woodmason's bills for the two copying presses for the M. de la Fayette, & the M. de Chastellux? The latter makes one article in a considerable account, of old standing, and which I cannot present for want of this article. --I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: & very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: & what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent & persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had thirteen states independent eleven years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that his people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusetts: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen-yard in order. I hope in God this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted. --You ask me if any thing transpires here on the subject of S. America? Not a word. I know that there are combustible materials there, and that they wait the torch only. But this country [France] probably will join the extinguishers. --The want of facts worth communicating to you has occasioned me to give a little loose to dissertation. We must be contented to amuse, when we cannot inform. Present my respects to Mrs. Smith, and be assured of the sincere esteem of, dear Sir, your friend and servant." -- cdt@sw.stratus.com --If you presume that I speak for my company, users.aol.com/Tavares/ write now for my special Investors' Packet! [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | If Guns are | Let he who hath no | Keep weapon in every | by COLT; | outlawed, only | weapon sell his | Your hand = Freedom | DIAL | RIGHT WINGERS | garment and buy a | Powder on every side! | 1911-A1. | will have Guns. | sword. Jesus Christ | Dry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jacques Tucker Subject: Pondering before the cyclops... Date: 04 Jul 1997 20:41:18 -0500 At 02:06 PM 7/4/97 -0700, Mr. Totty wrote: > Today, I sit here before the cyclops of my desk, pondering... Thank you, sir. A most fitting post this 4th day of July, 221 years since approval of The Declaration. You succeeded in bringing a tear to my eye and a tug at my heart strings (so trite, but true). A week or so ago, I was pondering over the loss of freedoms and the destruction of individual responsibility by the overweening state. The thought of my ancestor, Nathan Hosmer, who was on the North Bridge 4/19/1775 invaded my consciousness. =20 Hmmm. How appropriate it would be to have an inWATS line of 419-1775 I fancied. OK, let's see if the number is in use. Upon calling 800-419-1775, a female voice answered with a terse "Coordinating" (or something of the sort). I interrogated her to discover who really owned the number: Paul Revere Insurance, a subsidiary of John Hancock Insurance! Ah! That makes sense. Meaningful, I suppose, but why was it relegated to "Coordinating"? What a felicitous contact it could be. She had no concept of the significance of the number, but displayed some excitement when explained to her. Unfortunately she was but a small cog in a large organization. So, I called 888-419-1775. A gruff voice on a speaker phone responded, "Who are you? What do you want?" Describing the reason for the call, the phone was picked up. More excitement. A retired dentist. A history buff who also has a Concord participant in his line. We shall share. Alas. Why did not I think of it earlier? Cap'n Jacq' Jacques Tucker Kansas City, MO "The sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the Citizen in the enjoyment of life, liberty, and property, and when government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression." - Alabama Constitution; Article I =A735 =20 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: (Fwd) Re: 4th of July (fwd) Date: 04 Jul 1997 19:24:20 PST Not on topic, but appropos to the Day. On Jul 4, M.L.Seymour wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] As we celebrate the 4th.... What Happened to the Signers? Five signers were captured by the British and brutally tortured as traitors. Nine fought in the War for Independence and died from wounds or from hardships they suffered. Two lost their sons in the Continental Army. Another two had sons captured. At least a dozen of the fifty-six had their homes pillaged and burned. What kind of men were they? Twenty five were lawyers or jurists. Eleven were merchants. Nine were farmers or large plantation owners. One was a teacher, one a musician, and one a printer. These were men of means and education, yet they signed the Declaration of Independence, knowing full well that the penalty could be death if they were captured. In the face of the advancing British Army, the Continental Congress fled from Philadelphia to Baltimore on December 12, 1776. It was an especially anxious time for John Hancock, the President, as his wife had just given birth to a baby girl. Due to the complications stemming from the trip to Baltimore, the child lived only a few months. William Ellery's signing at the risk of his fortune proved only too realistic. In December 1776, during three days of British occupation of Newport, Rhode Island, Ellery's house was burned, and all his property destroyed. Richard Stockton, a New Jersey State Supreme Court Justice, had rushed back to his estate near Princeton after signing the Declaration of Independence to find that his wife and children were living like refugees with friends. They had been betrayed by a Tory sympathizer who also revealed Stockton's own whereabouts. British troops pulled him from his bed one night, beat him and threw him in jail where he almost starved to death. When he was finally released, he went home to find his estate had been looted, his possessions burned, and his horses stolen. Judge Stockton had been so badly treated in prison that his health was ruined and he died before the war's end. His surviving family had to live the remainder of their lives off charity. Carter Braxton was a wealthy planter and trader. One by one his ships were captured by the British navy. He loaned a large sum of money to the American cause; it was never paid back. He was forced to sell his plantations and mortgage his other properties to pay his debts. Thomas McKean was so hounded by the British that he had to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Continental Congress without pay, and kept his family in hiding. Vandals or soldiers or both looted the properties of Clymer, Hall, Harrison, Hopkinson and Livingston. Seventeen lost everything they owned. Thomas Heyward, Jr., Edward Rutledge and Arthur Middleton, all of South Carolina, were captured by the British during the Charleston Campaign in 1780. They were kept in dungeons at the St. Augustine Prison until exchanged a year later. At the Battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr. noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the family home for his headquarters. Nelson urged General George Washington to open fire on his own home. This was done, and the home was destroyed. Nelson later died bankrupt. Francis Lewis also had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife for two months, and that and other hardships from the war so affected her health that she died only two years later. "Honest John" Hart, a New Jersey farmer, was driven from his wife's bedside when she was near death. Their thirteen children fled for their lives. Hart's fields and his grist mill were laid waste. For over a year he eluded capture by hiding in nearby forests. He never knew where his bed would be the next night and often slept in caves. When he finally returned home, he found that his wife had died, his children disappeared, and his farm and stock were completely destroyed. Hart himself died in 1779 without ever seeing any of his family again. Such were the stories and sacrifices typical of those who risked everything to sign the Declaration of Independence. These men were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of the Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." Are there any among us who would do likewise? ================================================ Educate, agitate, organize for freedom in our lifetimes! Want to Take Action for Liberty?? http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1797/action.htm Check out the Action of the Month at the new Activist Web Site! http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1797 =================================================== Have some tips, strategies to include? Mary lou Seymour: liberty@csranet.com ICQ Pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1621963 PGP Public Key: http://www.pgp.com/keyserver/pks-toplev.cgi Posterity -- you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. -- John Quincy Adams -- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | If Guns are | Let he who hath no | Keep weapon in every | by COLT; | outlawed, only | weapon sell his | Your hand = Freedom | DIAL | RIGHT WINGERS | garment and buy a | Powder on every side! | 1911-A1. | will have Guns. | sword. Jesus Christ | Dry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Ferris Subject: Clinton & Company's "What-The-Heck-Claration of In-Depends-Us" Date: 05 Jul 1997 01:03:08 -0400 (EDT) THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE Willie J. Clinton & Company's "What-The-Heck-Claration of In-Depends-Us" When in the course of hey-you-man events it becomes necessary for Clintonista politicians and supporters to solidify the politically correct bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of Earth (Day) the superior and absolutely unequal station to which the laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a grudging acknowledgment of the opinions of personkind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to cling to one another, quaking in their booties in abject fear of American "peasants with pitchforks" knocking at the castle gates. We hold these spun-and-doctored Dick Morrisian, Lanny Davisite and Paul Begalan half-truths and outright lies to be self-evident, that all Clintonistas are created unequal, that they are endowed by their Leader, Willie J. Clinton, with certain unalienable rights, that among these are (someone else's) wife, live booty and the pursuit of a happy hooker (named) Ness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted by Clintonistas, deriving their unjust powers without the consent of the governed. That whenever any American questions the Clintonista form of government, destructive though it may be, it is the right of the Clintonistas to alter the mindset of any such American or to abolish any such American, and to replace him or her with a newly Clintonized American, laying the foundation of such a Clintonized citizen's thought process on such principles and reorganizing such a citizen's cranial lobes in such a way as to them shall seem most likely to effect the continuing long term Clintonization of the U.S.A. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Clintonistas long loyal to Super Prez and who possess deep pockets and solid connections to John Huang and other Lippo-suckers, should not be erased from Craig McMuffin Livingstone's White House database for light and transient causes; and accordingly, all experience hath shown, that Clintonista personkind are more disposed to suffer, while evil freedoms are sufferable, than to right (or perhaps "left") themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Little Rock hotel train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Me and Ms. Jones We Got A Thing Goin' On object, evinces a design to reduce them to weak and feeble despots, it it their right, it is their sacred booty, to throw pursuers of the truth off the trail and to provide new guards for their future job security, no matter what new scandal may break on yonder horizon. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Clintonistas; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter both the mindsets and the life styles of the lesser beings whom they govern. The history of the current King Willie J. Clinton of Washington is a history of a great man who has suffered repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the lessening of his effort to establish an absolute and necessary tyranny over these United States. To prove this, let a pack of lies believed by a gullible peasantry be submitted to a candid world for review: He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good, or, in the cases of some of his unfortunate past female victims, he has ascended upon them with his two paws up to no public or private good. He has forbidden the repeal of laws of no immediate and pressing importance till his assent should be obtained, and, when asked to attend to such matters, he has utterly neglected them. He has refused to pass other laws which would accommodate the desire of the American people to be free, a state of affairs which would be formidable to tyrants only. He has called together female bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable and distant from the eye of the media, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures, correction ... pleasures. He has "dissed" representative houses repeatedly for opposing with manly firmness his invasion on the rights of the people. He has obstructed the administration of justice by loading the Department of Justice with his political cronies and by appointing federal judges who concur with his fervent belief that Americans do indeed need big government to guide them each day in making their selection of undergarments to wear. He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance. He has kept around him in "times of piece" a standing army of protective agents who operate on the "See no evil, hear no evil, speak (about) no Prez-committed evil" Clintonista-career-enhancement-plan. He has affected to render the military impotent and incapable of carrying out the mission of protecting national security in an increasingly unstable world. He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, a document whose legitimacy he mocks, and he toys with a RINO-controlled Congress which polishes his booties and gives assent to his legislation, behind the closed doors of "compromise": For allowing to run amok among us large bodies of heavily armed paramilitary federal and state law enforcement officers who seem to believe that they are, in fact, soldiers, marines or cowboys; For protecting them, by refusing to bring them to trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states; For expressing delight and approval as Congress moves once again to bestow MFN status on Bill's best buddies, the Butchers of Beijing; For imposing taxes on us without our consent; For depriving us in many "dynamic entry at 0500" cases of the benefits of trial by jury; For transporting us beyond sleaze to be tried for pretended offenses; For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. He has abdicated true and honest government here, declaring any law abiding dissenters to be "domestic extremists" and waging war against us. He has blundered through sleaze, ravaged women, burnt a (Texas) town, and destroyed the lives of good people. He is at this time training large armies of Clintonized "piece officers" to complete the works of death, desolation, tyranny and Arkancide already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation. He has constrained a platoon of fellow Clintonistas taken captive in the depth of high sleaze to keep silent in the face of grand jury or special prosecutorial inquiries or to contemplate suffering a gruesome fate similar to that suffered by "His Cousin Vinnie." He has excited domestic-lamp-throwing-insurrection within the White House walls, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless, mind-numbing, multi-layered federal bureaucracies, whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished crushing of Gore-damned "extreme individualism", ambition, independence and successes enjoyed by small businesses. In every stage of these alleged "oppressions", we Clintonistas have received, spat upon and shredded countless, groundless petitions for redress. The petitioners have even had the nerve to infer that "a prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a people." What gall. What a lack of understanding of their "place in society." And our place as their rulers. We Clintonistas have also had to endure constant verbal yammering and written hammering from vocal critics of our tactics who have attempted to convince a RINO-controlled Congress that we cannot be trusted. These critics have appealed to the logic of Senators and Congressmen to see through our charades, but to no avail. Backs have still been slapped, deals have still been cut, and freedoms have been lost, all done out of sight of chronic complainers and whiners who believe that freedom is a way of life worth preserving. Some of these freedom lovers refer to themselves as "patriots", a word much scorned at Within-The-Beltway cocktail parties. We, therefore, hard core Clintonistas of the United States of Clintonia, in secret Carville-War-Room session assembled, appealing to Willie J. Clinton to bless our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of Clintonistas countrywide, recklessly publish and declare, that foolish American peasants with pitchforks who believe that they are free, should drop their farm tools and kneel in servitude before Willie J. Clinton; that they should swear allegiance to Willie J. Clinton and refrain from drinking Crown Royal and smoking tobacco products, and that they should assent to Willie J. Clinton's power to levy war, but never to attend a war in person, to "conclude with a piece", but never in the presence of Hillary, to "contract alliances", but never again with Ms. Flowers or Ms. Jones, to establish commerce, especially with human rights advocates such as the nice gents who just took over the reins in Hong Kong, and to do all other unnatural acts and "night things" which a dishonorable Clintonista (lacking character) named Willie Jeff may of right do. And for the support of this What-The-Heck-Claration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine from Providence (Rhode Island), one of Willie J. Clinton's favorite "groupies on the road", we mutually pledge to each other that we will run for our lives, our fortunes and our Swiss Bank accounts when the heat gets too severe and/or Ken Starr gets too darn close. For, at that time, in leak-proof Depends undergarments, you will most assuredly find us. This we pledge, on our sacred "on her" as loyal Clintonista rump swabs. THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE Christopher C. Ferris Litchfield NH ferriscc@mainstream.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patricia Fosness Subject: 1997-07-03 President Remarks Date: 04 Jul 1997 23:47:24 -0600 Some folks don't think that POTUS has international asperations. Perhaps not. But the following shows where his head is on the Fourth of July. As I recall, he spent a few Vietnam war years draft dodging and demonstrating against the war while he was at *Cambridge*. He's a European at heart. > > THE WHITE HOUSE > > Office of the Press Secretary >________________________________________________________________________ >For Immediate Release July 3, 1997 > > > REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT > AT NATO SUMMIT SEND-OFF BY AMERICA'S VETERANS > > > The East Room > > >3:29 P.M. EDT > > > THE PRESIDENT: [snip of intro stuff] > Tomorrow, as the Vice President said, we will commemorate >Independence Day and the Declaration of Independence -- >which I recommend everyone read every Independence Day. The words >still ring out of our abiding belief in the inalienable right to >life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. > > And we have a lot to celebrate on this July 4th. We are >at peace. We are more prosperous than we have been in a generation, >our liberty more secure than ever. And for the first time throughout >the world -- for the first time in our time, there are more people >living under governments of their own choosing than are living under >dictatorships. That is an astonishing thing, that the dream of our >founding fathers, articulated so powerfully 221 years ago tomorrow, >has now come within the reach of more than half the people on the >globe. > > Next week we will take an historic step to secure that >freedom for people than ever before at home and abroad when we invite >new democracies from Central Europe to join our alliance at the NATO >summit in Madrid. I thank those who have spoken before me for their >support. Together with our efforts to build NATO's ties to Russia >and to Ukraine, and through the Partnership for Peace with so many of >other of Europe's democracies, we're working to create a continent of >Europe that is undivided, democratic, and at peace for the first time >since nation states appeared on that continent. > > Our nation has labored and sacrificed for this goal for >more than five decades now, and now it is within reach. So in Europe >next week we'll have the chance to strengthen the values we all hold >dear -- freedom, democracy, security. Our work in Madrid will be a >capstone of our nation's leadership throughout the 20th century and a >cornerstone for a new age of possibility in the 21st century. > > I saw on one of the papers today a poll that said that >only six percent of the American people felt that they followed >events in NATO closely and thought they knew a lot about it. In a >way, that is a stunning tribute to the success of NATO, for no NATO >member has ever been attacked. If it had not been so, a lot more >people would know about NATO. > > Now the time has come for us to make sure more Americans >understand the significance of NATO to our security, understand the >role it can play in the future, and understand why it is profoundly >in the interest of the American people to go forward with this >expansion. And all of the people on this stage today and all of you >in this room today have helped to make a significant contribution to >that work. But I hope when you leave here, you will continue to >speak about it -- to your friends and neighbors, to the members of >your organizations, to the people with whom you come in contact. > > There are four reasons why NATO enlargement is >consistent with our values and supports our interests. First, it >will make our Alliance stronger and better able to address the >challenges to Europe's security. As has already been said, if we >haven't learned a single, solitary other lesson from the 20th >century, surely we have learned that our future and Europe's are >inevitably intertwined. > > A NATO that embraces Europe's new democracies will be >more capable of carrying out its missions, defending the territory of >its members, addressing conflicts that threaten our common peace. >The Czechs and Poles served beside American soldiers in the Gulf War. >Already, the Czech Republic -- Poland, Hungary, Romania, the Baltic >states and many other Central European countries that seek to join >NATO are contributing troops to our NATO peacekeeping mission in >Bosnia. > > Indeed, we could not have deployed our troops to Bosnia >as smoothly and swiftly as we did without the critical help of >Hungary and our staging ground at Taszar, which I had the privilege >to visit shortly after it was established. By bringing new and >capable democracies into NATO and deepening our cooperation with >others who are not members at this time, but are part of our >Partnership for Peace, we build a stronger alliance for all future >challenges to transatlantic security. > > Second, enlarging NATO will plainly help to secure the >gains of democracy in Europe. NATO can do for Europe's East what it >did for Europe's West after World War II -- provide the kind of >climate necessary for freedom and prosperity to survive and to grow >and flourish. > > Third, enlarging NATO clearly will encourage prospective >members to resolve their differences peacefully, and that will reduce >the chances of further conflicts in Europe. Already, the very >prospect of NATO membership has helped to convince countries in >Central Europe to improve ties with their neighbors, to settle border >and ethnic disputes -- any one of which could have led to a conflict >in a different time and under different circumstances. > > Finally, enlarging NATO will erase the artificial line >in Europe drawn by Stalin at the end of World War II. And NATO will >now help Europe to come together in security, not be kept apart in >instability. NATO's doors will remain open to all those willing to >shoulder the responsibilities of membership so that we do not replace >an old division in Europe with a new one. And this is also >critically important. The decision the NATO allies will make in >Madrid must not be a one-time decision. > > Today, let me again say I thank the American Legion for >its support. As the largest American veterans organization, many of >your members fought to liberate Europe or to defend freedom there >during the Cold War. And you know that this makes it less likely >that future generations will be called to fight and die in Europe. > > I thank the Reserve Office Association. Your endorsement >speaks clearly to the American people because it is you who could be >called out of your civilian lives to make good on our commitments. >And you have recognized that enlargement will make us safer and >stronger. > > There are those who say the Central European nations who >will be invited to join NATO are not ready to stand shoulder to >shoulder with us. But, with all respect, they are wrong. The >nations we are considering for membership share our values and >our aspirations. They have shown that time and again. They also >have the capacity to do what is required of NATO members. > > As you have heard today, in 1944, in the weeks after >D-Day, American and allied troops in Normandy sought to encircle 20 >of Hitler's finest divisions, and some of the fiercest fighting of >the war resulted. Our forces raced to seal the final gap between >them and to prevent the enemy from escaping into the French >countryside. Two units got the job done: one an American infantry >division, the other a Polish armored division -- survivors of the >invasion of their land who joined forces with the allies. > > That gap was closed when the Poles finally linked up >with the U.S. 90th Infantry at Chambois. The first American they >encountered was the man who introduced me today, Captain Laughlin >Waters. Now, once the pocket was shut there was another furious >battle as the panzers tried to break out. The Polish First Armored >Division held a critical hilltop against a wave of counterattacks. >When the Poles ran out of anti-tank rounds, they moved forward and >repelled the enemy with only their rifles and their courage. After >the Battle of Falaise Gap, 325 Polish soldiers were buried near where >they fell. By these graves in the heart of Western Europe, allied >soldiers raised a simple sign of tribute which said in English: A >Polish Battlefield. > > Judge Waters, your presence here today, 53 years later, >reminds us of the character of those we are about to add to NATO, of >the values and interests I talked about before. They remind us of >our own freedom, democracy, and security. They, too, have fought and >died for freedom and democracy, for ours as well as their own. They >have fought and died for the freedom and democracy we celebrate >tomorrow. Our ties, therefore, have been forged in blood. And just >as they were strong allies in World War II, they will be again. > > So, Judge Waters, just as you and your men closed the >Falaise Gap at Chambois, we must now close another gap -- the gap of >hope that has divided Europe since the end of World War II. We must >give Europe a chance to live free and undivided for the first time >ever. That is what we will do next week and in the months and years >ahead, as we continue to work with Europe's democracies, strengthen >NATO, and adapt it to the missions of the 21st century. > > Your presence here today has made our success much more >likely, and, therefore, you will have something else to celebrate >tomorrow on our Independence Day. > > Thank you and God bless you. > (Applause.) > > END 3:45 P.M. EDT > > > > Pat Fosness listowner rkba-co NRA certified instructor: Rifle, Pistol, Personal Protection, Home Firearm Safety "For every honest, inoffensive, harmless citizen, there is a bureaucrat waiting to goof him up" -- Mike Royko ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Dolan Subject: Ted Turncoat sez we should change our National Anthem Date: 05 Jul 1997 10:41:34 -0400 (EDT) I'd like to propose that we adopt the "Internationale." It's available, since it's no longer in use by the USSR. The music is very powerful and it is easy for the masses to sing. Best of all, the lyrics celebrate the things that are now important to our country: a communitarian spirit of caring about our neighbors, multiculturalism, and engagement in world affairs to help spread our values. bd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Liberty or Death Subject: Independence/Interdependence Date: 05 Jul 1997 14:48:48 -0700 "If You Believe in Interdependence, Stay Home on the Fourth" by Charley Reese, Orlando Sentinel, July 3, 1997 A lot of Americans, including the current president and many members of the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate, should not celebrate the Fourth of July, because they apparently do not value American independence. No one, for example, who signed that odious "Declaration of Interdependence" back in 1976 should celebrate. No one who voted for the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade should celebrate, because that was a step toward nonindependence. No one who favors a world government or international interference in our internal affairs should celebrate the Fourth of July. Instead, the rest of us should celebrate it by tarring and feathering those who would sacrifice our country's independence. In June, 1776, the 13 Colonies were part of a global, interdependent empire. Globalism was the order of the day. If there was no one world government, there were indeed several world governments as various empires competed to gobble up other people's countries. There definitely was a global economy. In July 1776, our forefathers said no to globalism, no to world government, no to interdependence and no to the global economy. Instead, they declared their independence. Henceforth only Americans would govern Americans. Henceforth, only Americans would set America's trade policy and foreign policy. Henceforth, only Americans would rule the land within their borders. Henceforth, no foreigner would tell any American what he can and can't do in his own country. I say to the globaloney peddlers that the Fourth of July is about independece, and only that, and independence means that we Americans say phooey to the United Nations, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the World Trade Organization, The North American Free Trade Agreement, the global economy, the bio-diversity treaty and world opinion. And phooey to the peddlers of globaloney. But you see the point. It's simple logic. We can't be interdependent and independent. We can't be sovereign and global. We can't purport to be independent if we allow non-Americans in global organizations to make decisions about our trade, environmental or land-use policies. Nor can those of us who hold American Independence as sacred compromise with those who want to sacrifice American independence for anything else. Every American with brains and courage should firmly resolve that no way, no how, at no time, for no reason will we consent to any foreign person, country or organization influencing, much less governing, our affairs. I will live or die by the constitutional decision of my own government, but I have no allegiance whatsoever to the United Nations, to NATO or to any other foreign country or international organization. I will not be governed by them. American independence, in fact and in spirit, is a no-compromise, yes-or-no, war-or-peace, friend-or-foe kind of issue. We should never consent to smudging, blurring or even vaguely compromising our independence. Independence is one issue that cannot be compromised. Independent nations can cooperate voluntarily with other independent nations when their interests coincide. There is no need for either to bind itself to a decision made by an international organization. Rather than pay U.N. assessments, the Congress ought to abrogate the treaty and kick the United Nations out of the United States. And American voters ought to kick out of office forthwith every public official who is an internationalist, rather than an American. It isn't a question of America first. It's a question of America, first, last, in between and always. I sincerely and prayerfully hope that those who would sacrifice American independence burn in hell. I don't wish to be misunderstood on this point because of my moderate language. - Monte ------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh Lord, lead us into Your Glory - bathe us in the holy & pure light of Your Spirit; let Your righteous fire burn away all that is in us that is not of You, so that we might worship the Living God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength. Amen. ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.proliberty.com/observer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Peacekeepers simulate executions Date: 07 Jul 1997 06:57:55 -0400 >X-Sender: eplurib@mail.megalinx.net >Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 22:43:23 -0400 >To: eplurib@megalinx.net >From: E Pluribus Unum >Subject: Peacekeepers simulate executions > >Thought those peacekeepers were our "friends"....Helen > >----- > >From: Al Hauff >Subject: Peace troops 'simulated executions' > >FYI >ah >----------------------begin forwarded message------------------------- > >International News Electronic Telegraph Saturday 5 July 1997 >Issue 771 > >Peace troops 'simulated executions' > >GERMAN soldiers training for service as peacekeepers in Bosnia filmed >themselves simulating executions of civilians, the Defence Ministry in >Bonn said yesterday. > >The ministry described their actions as "incredible" and promised severe >disciplinary measures. During the training some soldiers would dress up >as civilians to simulate scenes they might face in Bosnia. The ministry >said the soldiers "gave free rein to their imaginations". The film will >be shown on the satellite television station SAT 1 on Monday. > > > >================================================== >E Pluribus Unum: Central Ohio Patriot Group Web Site >http://home.megalinx.net/~eplurib/home.html > >Patriot Personals: Lovers of Liberty With Hearts That Need Love >http://home.megalinx.net/~eplurib/personal/personal.htm > > P.O. Box 381; Groveport, OH 43125 >"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: 1997-07-03 President Remarks Date: 07 Jul 1997 12:51:44 -0400 (EDT) I'm very pleased that Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are joining NATO. This is the coda to the Cold War, which was a very real conflict with very real enemies. It would be insanity to not consolidate former Warwaw Pact countries into NATO, given the opportunity. The Cold War cost hundreds of billions of dollars, and did damage to the U.S. by reinforcing the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower warned us about, but you just have to read of the tragedy and genocide under Lenin, Stalin, etc. to realize that failure to consolidate gains now would be madness. Anyone old enough to remember the Hungarian invasion? How about Soviet tanks in Czechoslovakia? Do you remember the bumper sticker "The Czechs registered their Guns". regards, Jack Curtis > Finally, enlarging NATO will erase the artificial line >in Europe drawn by Stalin at the end of World War II. And NATO will >now help Europe to come together in security, not be kept apart in >instability. NATO's doors will remain open to all those willing to >shoulder the responsibilities of membership so that we do not replace >an old division in Europe with a new one. And this is also >critically important. The decision the NATO allies will make in >Madrid must not be a one-time decision. > > Today, let me again say I thank the American Legion for >its support. As the largest American veterans organization, many of >your members fought to liberate Europe or to defend freedom there >during the Cold War. And you know that this makes it less likely >that future generations will be called to fight and die in Europe. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Fresh column, July 3 (fwd) Date: 08 Jul 1997 08:51:43 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA EDITORS: FOR THOSE DESIRING, THIS CURRENT COLUMN CAN REPLACE THE "CLASSIC" COLUMN DATED JULY 1 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED JULY 3, 1997 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Most Americans should be ashamed to celebrate the Fourth What an inconvenient holiday the Fourth of July has become. Oh, so long as we stick to grilling hot dogs and hamburgs, hauling the kids to the lake or the mountains, and winding up the day watching the fireworks as the Boston Pops plays the 1812 -- written by a subject of the czar to celebrate the defeat of our vital ally the French -- we can usually manage to convince ourselves we still honor the same values that made July 4, 1776, a date which rings in history. Great Britain taxed the colonists at far lower rates than Americans tolerate today -- and never dreamed of granting government agents the power to search our private bank records to locate "unreported income." Nor did the king's ministers ever attempt to stack our juries by disqualifying any juror who refused to swear in advance to "leave your conscience outside and enforce the law as the judge explains it to you." The king's ministers insisted the colonists were represented by Members of Parliament who had never set foot on these shores. Today, of course, our interests are "represented" by one of two millionaire lawyers -- both members of the incumbent Republicrat Party -- among whom we were privileged to "choose" last election day, men who for the most part have lived in mansions and sent their kids to private schools in the wealthy suburbs of the imperial capital, for decades. Yet the colonists did rebel. It's hard to imagine, today, the faith and courage of a few hundred frozen musketmen, setting off across the darkened Delaware, gambling their lives and farms on the chance they could engage and defeat the greatest land army in the history of the known world, armed with only two palpable assets: one irreplaceable man to lead them, and some flimsy newspaper reprints of a parchment declaring: "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive to these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it. ..." Do we believe that, still? Recently, President Clinton's then-Drug Czar, Lee Brown, told me the role of government is to protect the people from dangers, such as drugs. I corrected him, saying, "No, the role of government is to protect our liberties." "We'll just have to disagree on that," the president's appointee said. The War for American Independence began over unregistered, untaxed guns, when British forces attempted to seize arsenals of rifles, powder and ball from the hands of ill-organized Patriot militias in Lexington and Concord. American civilians shot and killed scores of these government agents as they marched back to Boston. Are those Minutemen still our heroes? Or do we now consider them "dangerous terrorists" and "depraved government-haters"? In "The Federalist" No. 46, James Madison told us we need have no fear of any federal tyranny ever taking away our rights, arguing that under his proposed Constitution "the ultimate authority ... resides in the people alone," and predicting that any usurpation of powers not specifically delegated would lead to "plans of resistance" and "appeal to a trial of force." Another prominent federalist, Noah Webster, wrote in 1787: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States." Is this still true today? Or are those who arm themselves and make contingency "plans of resistance" against government usurpations instead branded "conspirators" and "terrorists," and ridiculously associated with Timothy McVeigh (who was kicked out of the only militia meeting he is ever known to have attended -- in Michigan -- and whose actions surely reflect more directly on the screening process of the outfit that gave him his training in munitions -- the United States Army.) In Phoenix last week, an air conditioner repairman and former Military Policeman named Chuck Knight was convicted by jurors -- some tearful -- who said they "had no choice" under the judge's instructions, on a single federal "conspiracy" count of associating with others who owned automatic rifles on which they had failed to pay a $200 "transfer tax" -- after a trial in which defense attorney Ivan Abrams says he was forbidden to bring up the Second Amendment as a defense. Were the Viper Militia readying "plans of resistance," as recommended by Mr. Madison? Would the Constitution ever have been ratified, had Mr. Madison and his fellow federalists warned the citizens that such non-violent preparations would get their weapons seized, and land them in jail for decades? Happy Fourth of July. Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin@lvrj.com. The web site for the Suprynowicz column is at http://www.nguworld.com/vindex/. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com Voir Dire: A French term which means "jury stacking." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To unsubscribe from this mailing list, DISREGARD ANY INSTRUCTIONS ABOVE and go to the Web page at http://www.maillist.net/rightnow.html. New subscriptions can also be entered at this page. If you cannot access the World Wide Web, send an e-mail message to RightNow-Request@MailList.Net and on the SUBJECT LINE put the single word: unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: a 4th of July at lake Texoma in Texas (fwd) Date: 08 Jul 1997 09:50:07 -0500 (CDT) Well, I was real sad to come back from my 4th of July independence day weekend to find so many post about outlawed fireworks nation wide. I spent the whole time up at lake Texoma a huge lake on the Red river border between Texas and Oklahoma. My trailer house is in a marina leased from the Federal Corps of Engineers. I figured because the corps is strict about no firearms or fireworks we would not see much. As I took my pontoon boat over to another marina for a free fire works show I wondered how much longer before the EPA gets its wish to outlaw all 2 cycle outboard motors like mine. Boaters tend to be freedom loving people who kind of go wild out on the lake, no rules or traffic cops. Well not so true a coast guard patrol snuck up in the dark and ticked a family in the boat next to me for God only knows what. You would think the coast guard was a little far from the coast, I think it is some Liberal rule based on the fact that a steam boat made it half way up the Red river in the 1880's or some such nonsense. He had no lights on, then they check life jackets, fire extinguisher, throw float, boat registration, rear view mirror, and the driver can't be drunk or drinking. The fireworks were kind of small so as we went back we were a little disappointed. But, not for long. As we got closer to our marina we started seeing fireworks all over the shore line. In fact we saw them at every marina all over the whole lake. It was truly beautiful, a full 360 degrees of constant small arms fireworks. I wondered why the marina did not post the event they were putting on. Then as we got close enough we saw what was going on. It was families, lining the shore in lawn chairs, drinking beer in small clusters of 50 people. There were people and kids everywhere. I could only see them in the rockets red glare. It made my heart joyful to see such a sight, I imagined it must have looked just like the war our song was based on. It seems these were mostly the Oklahoman's that had not yet been trained to follow the Federal Corps of Engineer rules. Funny, I did not see a single ranger or deputy the whole 3 hours from 10pm to 1am. What a celebration, no problems, rowdiness, fires or police. All voluntary cooperation among free Americans to celebrate our independence day. I wondered if this would be the last such event before the EPA, MADD, and a plethora of other rules shut us down. Anyway, at least for one night, I really felt good about the future of our Liberty. Regards, Paul Watson, Dallas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: L&J: [Fwd: piml] NH Town Revolts Again] (fwd) Date: 08 Jul 1997 11:30:53 -0500 (CDT) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. 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Town Revolts After Crackdown By J.M. HIRSCH Associated Press Writer BROOKLINE, N.H. (AP) -- A New England town that answered the call in the Revolutionary War is up in arms again. This time, townspeople are in revolt because Brookline's own police officers used Mace and handcuffs to break up a century-old tradition of ringing in Independence Day with a midnight celebration of song, church bells and firecrackers. Police said they encountered a rowdy crowd of drunks. They arrested seven people on misdemeanor charges, including the editor of the local newspaper. Jim Austin, one of the first arrested, said an officer told him ``I had to stop ringing the bell or else I'm going to be arrested. I said, `Well, you'll have to arrest me because it's my right on Independence Day to ring the bell.''' Selectmen in this town of 2,500 scheduled a special meeting Monday night that was attended by more than 150 people. Supporters of the people who were arrested had demanded that the charges be dropped and that the police officer who called in reinforcements resign. But Selectman Russell Heinselman said the board would hear no testimony regarding the fracas. Instead, he said he was asking the state attorney general's office to conduct an immediate investigation. Heinselman's announcement was greeted with boos. Clarence Farwell, who was Maced and arrested, said residents feared an outside investigation would take too long. Those arrested have an Aug. 12 court date. ``This is a Brookline problem. I find it awfully hard to understand why it can't be solved in Brookline,'' Farwell said. One resident, Danny Bent, who was not arrested, put up large protest signs in the town center. One read ``This is not Tiananmen Square, this is Brookline,'' a reference to the 1989 pro-democracy demonstrations crushed by China. ``What we were celebrating was the right to do what they were doing, the right to celebrate, the right to assemble. It is kind of ironic and sad,'' said Marcia Farwell, the arrested editor and publisher of The Brookliner. Bent, 38, said at least 15 police officers showed up at the white clapboard Church of Christ on the tree-lined town square. ``They went wild. They took over. There was police brutality, completely,'' said Bent. Brookline, a rural community on the Massachusetts state line, was settled in 1741. By 1775 it had a population of just 134, but it sent 42 of its men to crucial Revolutionary battles including Lexington, Concord and Bunker Hill, giving it what residents boast is ``a record few New Hampshire towns can equal.'' The annual celebration traditionally begins around midnight with the ringing of the bell at the Church of Christ, said resident Barbara Austin, Jim Austin's mother. Thursday night, the bell-ringers told authorities ahead of time that they planned to ring for independence until 6 a.m. But other residents would have none of that. Police said they received numerous noise complaints and tried to send the revelers home. Officer Deborah Clark found up to 200 people around the church, many drunk, most hoping to ring the bell, and few willing to leave, police said. When the crowd became abusive, she called for backup from surrounding communities, Officer Todd Palmer said. Brookline Police Chief Tom Goulden said seven people were arrested on charges ranging from disorderly conduct to assaulting a police officer. ``It turned into a melee,'' said Richard Darling, police chief in neighboring Hollis. Jim Austin said the group had permission to ring the bell. Goulden, however, said the church allowed people in to ring the bell only because they have broken into the sanctuary in the past. David Kinney, 37, said he saw one officer arrest, handcuff and then Mace Farwell's 60-year-old husband, Clarence. ``He couldn't breathe. They damn near killed him,'' Kinney said. Clarence Farwell was treated for Mace and a twisted wrist. Darling said the Farwells were not just peaceful bell ringers. He said both yelled obscenities at police and that Clarence Farwell tried to punch one officer. ``Chief Darling is absolutely lying through his teeth,'' Marcia Farwell insisted. ``I was there the whole time; Chief Darling was not.'' Barbara Austin said she thinks the police sent the wrong message about Independence Day. ``How can you teach your kids to respect the police force when they act like this? They're going to hate them,'' she said. Home | US News | World News | Business | Sports | Index | Weather | Help Copyright 1997 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Send comments and questions about The WIRE to feedback@ap.org. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Unsub info - send e-mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com, with "unsubscribe liberty-and-justice" in the body (not the subject) Liberty-and-Justice list-owner is Mike Goldman --1915762710-1400524283-868379453=:10061-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Waco film review Date: 08 Jul 1997 13:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Well, I was surprised to see that Stanley Kaufman, film critic for The New Republic, reviewed Waco: Terms of Engagement in the July 14 & 21 edition. Review was a mixed bag. He mentioned the "possible" machine gun fire in the FLIR, praised the FLIR presenter, and generally praised the film in a mild fashion. He said that Schumer was a Democrat "probably defending the Clinton administration", which is the kindest thing anyone could say about Schumer who comes across in the movie as a complete arrogant distorter of truth. No mention of the "pyrotechnic devices" seen in the FLIR, no mention of the flammable methylene chloride, etc. In other words, this is a guy who just doesn't get it. The upside: maybe some small additional number of people will see the film. The downside: where I saw Federal agents pump a building containing men, women, and children full of flammable tear gas: machine gun anyone who tried to escape; and then set off pyrotechnic devices, igniting an inferno, Stanley Kaufman saw something else, something milder. His world seems to be colored by a faith in gov. and media that is a lot stronger than mine. I think if you transported the whole scene to Chile, or Hungary, or the FDR, the whole thing would have appeared to Mr. Kaufman in a lot clearer light. ciao, jcurtis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: the Whiskey Rebellion of July 16th 1794 Date: 08 Jul 1997 12:26:40 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- The Covenant Syndicate July 7, 1997, vol. 1, no. 27 (Back Issues posted at: http://capo.org/opeds/opeds.html) ********************* The Whiskey Rebellion of 1794 Elmer E. Specht (SPECHTELME@aol.com) Be sure to celebrate, and encourage others to do so, the upcoming 203rd anniversary of Whiskey Rebellion Day --- July 16th. Back when we knew how to run a country, the farmers of western Pennsylvania (and others in Carlisle, PA, Hagerstown, MD, and various parts of Virginia later joined the fray) rose up at the imposition of a tax on spititus frumenti, of which it is duly recorded they produced and consumed prodigious amounts. It seems moonshining was the only way they could get their produce to market in the east, notably Philadelphia, without undesirable spoilage. But Alexander Hamilton, Secretary of the Treasury, in his wisdom, imposed an ad valorem tax amounting to twenty-five percent of the value of the spirits. Thus ired, the western Pennsylvania rustics, restless since June, surrounded the home of the local tax man, one John Neville of Bower Hill, near Pittsburgh, and invited him to depart the county. He thought to demur, having some militiamen with him, and succeeded in killing one Oliver Miller in what was the opening shot in the rebellion. The "rebels" then fired back, Neville signaled his slaves to fire from the rear, and more blood flowed. Thus it was a scant 24 years between the time the "lobsterbacks" of King George fired on the colonists in Boston (in 1770), killing five, and the time the federal government took to killing its own citizens. The next day, July 17, 1794, James McFarlane, a Revolutionary War veteran, and popular commander of the local militia, was shot dead in what may have been a ruse to lure him into the open, thinking the soldiers defending Neville wished to parley. That ended any hope of peaceful resolution, and the locals proceeded to burn Neville's buildings to the ground as he was spirited away by the federal troops. The federal government responded as one might anticipate, by relying on yet more force. President Washington recruited a militia from the surrounding states (to their everlasting shame) --- which was dubbed, derisively, the "watermelon army." After a few more months, during which time some of Neville's sycophants were tarred and feathered just prior to their hasty and unscheduled departures for the east, the rebels, realizing they could not withstand the onslaught of the government, disappeared into the countryside. Two of these stalwarts were tried for treason, convicted, and pardoned by Washington. Thomas Jefferson condemned the use of military force and Hamilton's arrogation of power by the feds. It was, along with some other intraparty miscues, the (ignominious) end of the Federalist Party. Jefferson was elected as a Republican-Democrat in 1800, defeating John Adams in his bid for a second term. You will not read much, if any, of this in your local newspaper, but I am committed to bringing back the memory of this mirific and glorious event in the history of our great country, so mark your calendars for July 16th accordingly, and drink a toast to those who knew how to deal with corruption and greed in high places, and share a moment of silence for Oliver Miller and James McFarlane, the first two American patriots killed by their own government. Credit where credit is due department: read Thomas P. Slaughter's The Whiskey Rebellion (Oxford University Press) for the whole unvarnished story. ********************* The Covenant Syndicate is presently distributed as a free service to media outlets and select electronic distribution lists. If you enjoy this, feel free to recommend these to your local newspaper for inclusion. For permission to reprint, contact David Hall at: dhall@capo.org P. S. Our columnists are also available for radio/TV interviews or comment. Please contact them directly at their email address for your programs; or for more information, contact David Hall at: dhall@capo.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: [FWIW] Should we be surprised? Date: 09 Jul 1997 07:16:54 -0400 >Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 22:41:01 -0500 (CDT) >From: James Fish >X-Sender: jfish@earth >To: fwiw@execpc.com >Subject: [FWIW] Should we be surprised? >Sender: owner-fwiw@earth.execpc.com >Reply-To: owner-fwiw@earth.execpc.com > >FWIW > > >"DUTY" TO DIE. > >The March/April issue of The Hastings Center Report, a journal >covering medical ethics, includes a shocking essay by John Hardwig >of East Tennessee State University entitled "Is There a Duty to >Die?" Hardwig, a professor of medical ethics and social political >philosophy, writes that "modern medicine and an individualistic >culture have seduced many [into believing] that they have a right >to health care and a right to live, despite the burdens and costs >to our families and society." Hardwig has no objection to the >increasingly collectivized medical system that has driven up >health care costs; in fact, he maintains that if society were >willing to "pay for facilities that provide excellent long-term >care (not just health care) for all cronically ill, debilitated, >mentally ill or demented people in this country...the duty to >die would then be virtually eliminated." > >In short, we're insufficiently collectivist, in Hardwig's view, >and this creates a scarcity of allocated resources. That scarcity, >in turn, imposes "a duty to die," a "responsibility to end one's >life in the absence of any terminal illness...a duty to die even >when one would prefer to live." This "duty" extends to the healthy >and vigorous elderly on the basis of their age alone: "A duty to >die is more likely when you have already lived a rich and full >life. You have already had a full share of the good things life >offers." > >What about those who have reached their eighth and ninth decades >and haven't exhausted their enthusiasm for life? "To have reached >the age of, say 75 or 80 years without being ready to die is itself >a moral failing, the sign of a life out of touch with life's basic >realities," lectures Hardwig. > >Reacting to Hardwig's essay, columnist Nat Hentoff comments: >"John Hardwig says, 'We fear death too much.' My sense is that >we do not fear bioethicists enough." > >[end] > >Source: The New American > Insider Report, p.7 > July 7, 1997 > >Subscriptions: 1-800-727-TRUE > > =================================================================== > To subscribe to FWIW simply send the following: > To: listserv@execpc.com > Subj: (leave blank) > Message: > subscribe fwiw > > That's it! The welcome letter will tell you more! > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe, simply send the above instructed message, > substituting "unsubscribe" where appropriate. > =================================================================== > Visit the largest on-line collection of quality > non-mainstream "true" Conservative text files at: > THE CONSERVATIVE CORNER - http://www.execpc.com/~jfish > =================================================================== > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: EPA police Date: 09 Jul 1997 09:00:50 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Check out the first line of this article.=20 I suppose that crimes against the earth are covered by the Constitution? Leander Pearson leander@xmission.com Wednesday, July 9, 1997 =20 EPA Agents Are Assigned To Salt Lake BY BRENT ISRAELSEN =A9 1997 THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE =20 =20 As part of a nationwide crackdown on crimes against the Earth, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) soon will assign two special agents to Salt Lake City.=20 The officers, expected to set up shop in August, have full federal police power, but will focus only on enforcing a host of environmental laws and regulations, said Fred Burnside, special agent in charge of EPA's Criminal Investigations Division office in Denver.=20 ``This is nothing but a plus to let folks know that we will have a presence there to deal with environmental crimes,'' he said.=20 It will be the first time the EPA has had a permanent presence in Utah, which is one of six states overseen by EPA's Denver office. But that presence is not necessarily being met with warm fuzzies from all state officials.=20 ``It wasn't a decision that was requested or offered by this office,'' said Dianne Nielson, director of the Utah Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ). ``In any given situation, I would prefer the state were enforcing criminal laws as opposed to deferring to the federal government.''=20 Nielson said she has not been impressed by the feds' recent investigations in Utah. An example she gave is the ongoing probe by the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office into financial dealings between Envirocare owner Khosrow Semnani and Larry Anderson, the former state director of radiation control.=20 ``I'm frankly disappointed we are several months into this issue and have not seen charges,'' Nielson said.=20 Still, Nielson said she does not oppose EPA's assigning two special agents to Utah -- for now, anyway.=20 Burnside said the special agents' assignment to Utah comes as a result of an increase in the EPA's nationwide police force, which now numbers 200, about 25 more than a year ago.=20 Utah was chosen because of its strong industrial base. ``Utah is not a particularly troubling spot, but when you have a concentration of industry, you have a tendency to have environmental crimes occurring,'' he said.=20 Two of the recurring crimes in Utah, Burnside said, are in water pollution and the handling and disposal of hazardous waste.=20 Burnside would not name the agents being assigned to Utah but said one is from Denver and the other from Philadelphia. Together they have a combined 17 years of experience in federal law enforcement. Burnside said the officers will work closely with the state Department of Environmental Quality, the state Attorney General's Office and the U.S. Attorney's Office for Utah.=20 ``We have had an excellent working relationship with the AG's office and DEQ. It's not so much that we feel the state is not addressing the criminal aspects of enforcement. We just seem to work well together, and we're doing this as a team effort,'' Burnside said.=20 Last year, the Attorney General's Office, the EPA and the U.S. Attorney's Office formed an environmental-crimes task force, which will work more efficiently with the EPA in Salt Lake City rather than in Denver, said Fred Nelson, who heads the attorney general's environment division.=20 Nielson agrees with Burnside that criminal enforcement is a necessary tool for protecting the environment. She just wishes the state's criminal code had the same bite as federal laws. State criminal penalties are not as strong as federal penalties, she said= .=20 ``I'd like a little more control at the state level, but we don't have the right to ask for that if our penalty system is less than the federal system,'' she said.=20 An example of inadequate state penalties is in air and water enforcement. The stiffest jail sentence for polluting water is 6 months in jail. For polluting the air, there is no jail time. ``It's like a traffic ticket,'' said Nelson.=20 Nielson and Nelson said they plan to ask the next Legislature to enact stronger state penalties to eliminate or reduce the need for federal intervention.=20 The EPA's Criminal Investigations Division is headquartered in Washington, D.C. Its agents go through the same police training as traditional federal agencies, such as the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. They are authorized to carry firearms, execute search warrants and make arrests.=20 ``We are investigating crimes, and those investigations can be dangerous,'' Burnside said.=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Liberty or Death Subject: >>> July 4 Idaho Observer <<< Date: 09 Jul 1997 08:18:04 -0700 I'd like to offer a complimentary copy of the special July 4 edition of The Idaho Observer to anybody who's interested. It's a bit of a departure from our usual style; a lot of the news is 220 years old ;) We've included the Delaration of Independence, the Constitution, Patrick Henry's full speech, George Washington's farewell address, etc. Plus *some* current news. We're getting lots of compliments on it, so I think folks on these lists would like it. Send me a snail mail address, and I'll get one in the mail to you (it'll be mailed early next week). PS - if you'd like to help us with the postage, you *could* send $1.00 to: The Idaho Observer PO Box 1806 Post Falls ID 83854 appreciated but not required; we'd like you to have a copy regardless. - Monte ------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh Lord, lead us into Your Glory - bathe us in the holy & pure light of Your Spirit; let Your righteous fire burn away all that is in us that is not of You, so that we might worship the Living God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength. Amen. ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.proliberty.com/observer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Humor (fwd) Date: 09 Jul 1997 12:04:25 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- A man passed away and went to heaven. Arriving at the pearly gates, St. Peter said, "Come on in. I'll show you around. You'll like it here." Walking through the gates, the man noticed clocks everywhere. There were grandfather clocks, wall clocks, watches, and clocks in every corner. It appeared that heaven was nothing more than a giant clock warehouse. Surprised at how heaven looked, the man asked, "St. Peter, what's the deal? Why are all these clocks here in heaven?" St. Peter replied, "The clocks keep track of things on earth. There is one clock for each person. Every time the person on earth tells a lie, his clock moves one minute." "For instance, this clock is for Sam, the used car salesman. If you watch it closely, it will move." "Click." The minute hand on Sam's clock moved one minute. "Click." It moved another minute. "Sam must be into closing a customer right now," said St. Peter. "The minute hand on his clock moves all day." The man and St. Peter continued walking. Soon, they came to a clock with cobwebs on the minute hand. "Whose clock is this?" asked the man. "That clock belongs to the Widow Mary. She is one of the finest, God-fearing, people on earth. I bet her clock hasn't moved in a year or two." They continued walking and touring heaven. The man enjoyed watching the clocks of all his friends. When the tour was finished, the man said, "I've seen everyone's clock but President Clinton s. Where is his clock?" Saint Peter smiled, "Just look up. We use his clock for a ceiling fan." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: TOSN: Earth Day Religion flash (FWD) (fwd) Date: 09 Jul 1997 12:22:01 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Friends, If any of ya'll thaought my earth day article was a bit over the top, I thought I would forward this piece that came to me from Dale Courtney (who snipped it from "Human Events" magazine). "Human Events" magazine BTW has TOSN's highest rating for magazines/newspapers. It is wonderful and I highly recommend it. Their research staff is top notch and they have helped me over the phone on more than one occasion. They have even faxed me info at no charge at all to me. To order call 800-787-7557. Mark - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Reply-to: Discussion list conchr-l EARTH DAY RELIGION Earth Day was a big day in Miami this year - people from all over the world gathered downtown to celebrate the environment and the need to preserve it. The following pledge was led by "Earth Man (dressed as a globe) and the Project Earth Band:" "I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE EARTH . . . MY HOME . . . THE PLANET OF MY BIRTH . . . FROM THE MOUNTAINS. . . TO THE DEEPEST SEAS. . . FROM THE FARMLANDS. . . TO THE TALLEST TREES. . . FROM THE LOVE IN YOU . . . TO THE LOVE WITHIN ME . . . I PLEDGE . . . ALLEGIANCE TO THEE." The following is taken from the February 14, 1997, issue of Human Events: The Ten Commandments of Mother Earth Earth Worship Mocks Moses' Law Radical environmentalists do not believe in the Ten Commandments of the Bible [and, unfortunately, neither do many Christians these days --moderator], but instead embrace an atheistic, materialistic code, which, among other things, calls for human beings to curb their desire to procreate because it harms great "Mother Earth." The following "Ten Commandments," being distributed by the Earth Community Center, is the new, modern environmental equivalent of the ancient Mosaic Law. I. Thou shalt love and honor the Earth for it blesses thy life and governs thy survival. II. Thou shalt keep each day sacred to the Earth and celebrate the turning of its seasons. III. Thou shalt not hold thyself above other living things nor drive them to extinction. IV. Thou shalt give thanks for thy food, to the creatures and plants that nourish thee. V. Thou shalt limit thy offspring for multitudes of people are a burden unto the Earth. VI. Thou shall not kill, nor waste Earth's riches upon weapons of war. VII. Thou shalt not pursue profit at the Earth's expense but strive to restore its damaged majesty. VIII. Thou shalt not hide from thyself or others the consequences of thy actions upon the Earth. IX. Thou shalt not steal from future generations by impoverishing or poisoning the Earth. X. Thou shalt consume material goods in moderation so all may share the Earth's bounty. - --- Nihil Novi Sub Sole LCDR Dale M. 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If you cannot access the World Wide Web, send an e-mail message to RightNow-Request@MailList.Net and on the SUBJECT LINE put the single word: unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Is Nato the next step to world government Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:00:24 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- _________________________________________________________________ Wednesday July 9 10:54 AM EDT With Expansion Complete, NATO Summit Ends MADRID (Reuter) - NATO leaders Wednesday ended an historic two-day summit that launched the alliance's eastward expansion by inviting Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic to join. The heated debate over NATO enlargement bared deep divisions within the alliance but ultimately led to a compromise deal limiting the first wave of newcomers to three post-communist countries while pledging to keep the door open to others in the future. "The negotiations were difficult, sometimes sharp, but we were able to build a bridge," German Chancellor Helmut Kohl told reporters. "This is a huge success." NATO's 16 leaders Tuesday endorsed the biggest expansion in the alliance's 48-year history after France, which led a bloc of allies urging wider enlargement, won assurances that countries such as Romania and Slovenia would be considered in future rounds. U.S. President Bill Clinton prevailed with his unshakeable view that only Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic were politically, economically and militarily ready to be admitted to the alliance. During the second day of the summit, NATO took another major step aimed at closing the divide between East and West, inaugurating a new security council of nations spanning North America, Europe and former Soviet Asia. Leaders of the alliance and 28 partners formally launched the Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council, an organization intended to meet the security concerns of non-NATO members. _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: lockerbie Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:01:13 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Monday July 7 12:57 PM EDT Testimony in Germany Blames Iran for Lockerbie By Andrew Gray BONN, Germany (Reuter) - German prosecutors Monday interviewed a new witness who claims Iran was behind a 1988 bombing of Pan Am airliner 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. "I can say that a witness has been interviewed and that his testimony blames Iran," Job Tilmann, a spokesman for the Frankfurt prosecutors' office, told Reuters. Sources close to the investigation said the witness was Abolghasem Mesbahi, a former Iranian intelligence agent who also gave evidence at the recent trial of an Iranian and four Lebanese convicted of killing Kurdish dissidents in Berlin. Tehran has already dismissed the new testimony as part of an anti-Iran campaign by German media. The bombing of Pan Am flight 103 in December 1988 killed a total of 270 people. A massive international investigation concluded that Libya was responsible for the attack. Tripoli has been under United Nations sanctions since 1992 for failing to hand over two suspects Britain and the United States have indicted in connection with the bombing. But Der Spiegel magazine, in a report published Monday, said Mesbahi had told investigators that Iran had merely asked Libya and also Palestinian guerrilla leader Abu Nidal for help in carrying out the attack on the Boeing 747 jet. Tilmann said prosecutors had not finished questioning the witness and it was too early to evaluate the reliability or importance of his evidence. "This testimony is one of many in this investigation," he said by telephone from his office. Sources close to the investigation said Mesbahi was widely regarded as a credible witness and noted that he had been taken seriously by the court in the Berlin case. Tilmann said the German prosecutors had not yet passed on details of the witness's statements to British or U.S. investigators and would only decide how to proceed with the evidence once they had finished their interviews with him. Mesbahi said Iran planned the attack as revenge after the U.S. cruiser Vincennes shot down an Iran Air Airbus over the Strait of Hormuz earlier in 1988, according to Spiegel. Parts of the bomb that blew up the Pan Am flight were put on a plane at Frankfurt airport and they were put together in London and loaded onto the ill-fated Pan Am flight, Mesbahi told investigators, the magazine said. Mesbahi said that Iran's late leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini personally ordered the revenge attack and that Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Velayati had carried out the planning with Libya and guerrilla leader Abu Nidal, Spiegel said. He was a key witness for German prosecutors in the court case which concluded in April that Iran's top leaders had ordered the 1992 assassination of four Kurdish dissidents in Berlin. Iran vehemently denied involvement in the killings. Iran dismissed the new allegations by Mesbahi, who was known during the Berlin trial as Witness C, when the Spiegel article was released to media organizations on Sunday. "The Witness C has turned into a tool in the hands of German media to serve the interests of the Zionists by fabricating unfounded and ridiculous allegations against Iran when the Zionist regime so wishes," the Iranian news agency IRNA quoted foreign ministry spokesman Mahmoud Mohammadi as saying. _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Huang Firm May have funneled funds from Lippo group Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:10:07 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Monday July 7 7:41 AM EDT Huang Firm May Have Funneled Funds From Lippo WASHINGTON (Reuter) - A real estate holding company run by former Commerce Department official John Huang while he worked for financial conglomerate Lippo Group apparently was used to funnel money from Indonesia into U.S. election campaigns, the Washington Post reported in its Monday editions. The newspaper, quoting sources close to a Senate probe into campaign finance activities, said Senate investigators had found documents that showed Hip Hing Holdings Ltd., part of the Lippo Group, received regular injections of foreign funds, and gave about $79,000 in political contributions. Another report, in Monday's New York Times, said President Clinton took a personal interest in the hiring of Huang. Huang, a former fund-raiser for the Democratic National Committee, has emerged as a central figure in the campaign fund-raising scandal. He formerly headed Lippo's U.S. operations and was Hip Hing's vice president, before joining the Commerce Department. Tennessee Republican Sen. Fred Thompson and his Senate Governmental Affairs Committee will begin hearings Tuesday to determine whether China and other foreign interests sought to influence U.S. foreign policy by helping Clinton and the Democratic Party with illegal political contributions. It is illegal under U.S. election law for noncitizens or nonlegal residents to contribute to campaigns, or for anyone to contibute in someone else's name. Any money donated by corporations must come from income generated in the United States. The documents obtained by Senate investigators showed that Hip Hing Holdings did not generate enough income to cover the political contributions it made to local, state and federal campaigns from 1991 to 1993, the Post said. The investigators were also examining whether funds from Hip Hing might have been used to reimburse Lippo executives for political contributions, according to the newspaper report. Huang and Charles Yah Lin Trie, a former Arkansas restaurant owner and longtime friend of Clinton, raised nearly $4 million from Asian-American sources during the 1996 presidential campaign, but the Democratic National Committee has returned $1.6 million in questionable contributions raised by Huang and $645,000 donated or raised by Trie. Huang has made clear he would invoke the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination if called to testify, but he still might be forced to appear. In New York, the Times reported in Monday's editions that President Clinton approached the Democratic National Committee on behalf of Huang, and administration officials strongly urged the committee to hire Huang so he could begin soliciting funds from Asian-Americans. Clinton took personal interest in the hiring of Huang, going so far as to ask the committee's finance chairman in November 1995 whether Huang would be hired, the newspaper said. The paper attributed the information to Congressional investigators. Five days after the conversation in which Clinton told the finance chairman that Huang had come "highly recommended", Huang was hired as the committee's vice chairman of finance, the Times reported. _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mestetsr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Subject: Re: Ed Asner at it again (fwd) Date: 09 Jul 1997 14:02:40 -0400 >USE THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM IF POSSIBLE, IT EATS UP MORE TIME! > >The 800 number is ( 800-222-6269 ) Call it, and get as many people as >you can to also call and order the package. Couple of things. First, I get a recording that my call cannot be completed as dialed. Second, I'm constantly calling these 800 numbers requesting information - but I never receive anything. Am I on some kind of anti-gun "shit list"? :-) Rachel ============================================================= = "The female of the species is more deadly than the male." = = -- Space mestetsr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Hatch's Attack on Inventors' Constitutional Rights -- Phyllis Schlafly 7-09-97 Column (fwd) Date: 09 Jul 1997 15:35:53 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hatch's Attack on Inventors' Constitutional Rights July 9, 1997 Fast track for NAFTA expansion, Most Favored Nation status for China, and foreign aid are all issues that pit the internationalist ideologues and multinationals against grassroots Americans and small business. But the issue that marks this division most clearly is the Ominous Patent bill (oops, the Omnibus Patent bill), S. 507. The United States has produced more than 90 percent of the world's inventions because our patent system is superior to every other country's. Other countries that want to steal or copy our technology, and the multinationals that want to curry favor with foreign markets, are demanding that we change our system. Senator Orrin Hatch's sponsorship of this bill is one more instance of his puzzling lurch to the left, along with collaborating on Kennedy KidCare and expediting Clinton's liberal court nominees. Hatch has rushed a slightly amended S. 507 through his Judiciary Committee. Senate Small Business Committee Chairman Kit Bond (R-MO) is circulating a Dear Colleague letter pointing out that, even as amended, S. 507 will "jeopardize the value, certainty and protection of the American patent, threatening the ability of independent inventors and small businesses to continue their incredible work." Here is why: (1) Hatch's bill would greatly expand the procedures for reexamination of all existing patents, making it much easier for foreign and domestic corporations to challenge a patent immediately and invalidate patents already issued. This would dramatically decrease the existing rights of all current U.S. patent holders. Challenging and defending a patent are very expensive processes. Forcing the inventor to defend his patent in a second examination puts a very costly burden on inventors and small businesses and would be a significant advantage to deep-pocket corporations. As Senator Bond explains, this "will destroy the certainty of a patent that is critical for the small guy to attract investors." (2) Hatch's bill would undercut our whole patent system by creating a new defense for patent infringers called "prior use." This would exempt from the payment of royalties an infringer who asserts he was using the idea before it was patented, thereby diluting the U.S. patent holder's constitutional "exclusive right." Small businesses that have spent time and money creating a new idea and bringing it to market would thus have the value of their patent dramatically reduced. The advantage would shift to the big firms that poach on the ideas of individuals, then use large legal resources to avoid the patent process and the payment of royalties. (3) Hatch's bill would change the patent office from a government agency to a corporation with an outside board of directors and employees excluded from civil service. Hatch's big-business bias is painfully obvious: the text of S. 507 actually states that the directors shall include "individuals" (in the plural) with "achievement" in "corporate finance and management." In his amendment, Hatch agreed to allow one member of the board to be an independent inventor; but, as Senator Bond points out, no space is reserved for a small-business representative. Hatch's gesture is tokenism, and it certainly does not protect inventors' rights. The bill would even allow corporations to influence the patent office through "gifts" (a.k.a. bribes). Hatch bragged in his press release that he "accommodated the Administration" by "fend[ing] off the unjustified but politically appealing attacks on the corporation's gift provision." (4) Hatch's S. 507 as originally introduced would have eliminated our traditional rule that all patent applications remain secret unless and until a patent is actually issued. Although the amended S. 507 now includes a limited exception for U.S. inventors willing to forgo applying for a foreign patent, early publication was and is the primary goal of the extraordinary lobbying effort to change our patent system being made by the Japanese, the multinationals and the Clinton Administration. Senator Bond accurately points out that the initial secrecy about an invention is "the cornerstone of our patent system" because it preserves the property right of the inventor until he gets his legal rights recognized in a patent. Publication of the details of an invention before a patent is issued would set it up to be stolen by infringers and copycats all over the world who are, as Bond says, just "waiting around for American ideas to take to market." The game plan of the lobbyists for the foreigners and multinationals is to use the newly created corporation, with a board dominated by big-corporation types, to accomplish the same goal through regulations that never go through Congress. Last year, FDA Week exposed that Patent Commissioner Bruce Lehman had made a deal to give the Chinese the entire U.S. patent data base on magnetic tapes, including five and a half trillion characters of information with technical drawings and chemical formulations. Americans have to pay to get this data, but Lehman wanted to give this multi-million-dollar American asset free to the Chinese. Senator Bond says that S. 507's changes in our patent system would have "enormous consequences." Indeed, they would. The consequences are all bad, and S. 507 has no redeeming value. Phyllis Schlafly column 7-09-97 E-mail YOUR SENATOR: http://www.senate.gov/senator/membmail.html PS REPORT Patent Report : http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/1997/may97/psrmay97.html COLUMNS The Patent Fight Gets Ugly : http://www.eagleforum.org/column/1997/may97/97-05-14.html Who's Interfering with Our Constitutional Patent Rights? http://www.eagleforum.org/column/1997/apr97/97-04-15.html NEWS RELEASE: http://www.eagleforum.org/patent/news_release.html -------------------------- Eagle Forum http://www.eagleforum.org PO Box 618 eagle@eagleforum.org Alton, IL 62002 618-462-5415 -------------------------- To subscribe please e-mail us a message with SUBSCRIBE in the subject line =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To unsubscribe from this mailing list, DISREGARD ANY INSTRUCTIONS ABOVE and go to the Web page at http://www.maillist.net/rightnow.html. New subscriptions can also be entered at this page. If you cannot access the World Wide Web, send an e-mail message to RightNow-Request@MailList.Net and on the SUBJECT LINE put the single word: unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Perspectives column (fwd) Date: 09 Jul 1997 16:21:22 -0500 (CDT) Perspectives column, from July 9th issue of Wednesday on the Web By Phil Brennan Imagine, if you can, a boxing match in which one of the fighters simply stands there and allows his opponent to land punch after punch without making even an effort to return the compliment. Further imagine his opponent consistantly punching him below the belt, biting his ear in the latest wrinkle to an old game, and otherwise breaking every rule in the book, and is allowed to get away with it without a single protest from the referee or a wo rd written about his disgusting behavior by the sports writers at ringside. Finally, imagine the victim of all this explaining that his strategy is to consult experts between rounds on what he should do next -- and changing experts after every round. Moreover, claiming that boxing fans want the boxers above all else to get along with each other and will react badly if he starts counterpunching. That's the image I keep seeing in my mind's eye every time I look at the Congressional GOP. They seem to be telling the low-blow experts in the democrat leadership "hit us again, it feels so good." This tirade is provoked by what happened on the first day of the Thompson Committee hearings, and during the weeks that led up to them. Let it be said loud and clear -- the behavior of Senate Democrats is beneath contempt. Taking their signals from the conspirators down in that curruption-ridden White House, they have attempted -- and largely succeeded -- in obstructing justice in a case which appears to involve the outright sale of the United States government to a bloody communist dictatorship. And, under the sickening guise of bipartisanship (I think it's the French word for weak- kneed), the Republicans have let them get away with it. When I see photos of hero-turned White House toady John Glenn (My God, an ex-Marine -- what is this world coming to?) shoulder to shoulder with Fred Thompson I immediately see that sickening boxing ring image. When Thompson led off with his revelation that some of the testimony might have to be heard only in executive sessions because it involves very sensitive national security matters (the product of eavesdropping on the Chinese embassy, etc.) he allowed Glen n to get away with acting as a spokesman for John Huang (and his White House clients) and then to go on and compare what is clearly a case of espionage and influence peddling to possible GOP acceptance of Japanese sen and yen. Glenn is fuly aware of just how deep this Clinton corruption goes into the roots of this nation's political system, yet he is willing to become a co-conspirator of the Clintonites, and he should be so treated. Thompson should have nailed him on the spot. The man is despicable -- a tragic remnant of a former Marine pilot and space idol finishing out his last term as a slavishly obeisant spear carrier for the Clintons. But in the name of that damnable bipartisanship, Thompson played the role of the courtly Southern gentleman pointedly ignoring the boorishness of one of the Snopes clan. The Senate Democrats are engaged in a sustained guerilla war that isn't going to end until the Republicans decide to end it. Gentlemen, the time has come to take the gloves off and engage in some bare-knuckled fisticuffs. This is your chance -- and maybe the last one -- to deliver a blow that will knock the scheming liberal Democrats clear out of the ring. Don't throw it away. Also on this week's Wednesday on the Web (http://www.pacg.com/pvbr/): Cover Story, Part Two of Global Warming or Globaloney -- The Forgotten case for Global Cooling; Why Catholic Schools are the hope of inner city kids; Ed Meese on fixing the federal judi ciary; Eric Margolis comes clean -- He's a militant democrat who sonds more like a Reagan Republican and writes like a real pro; Kim Weissman's extraordinary piece on the Second Amendent and what the Founding Fathers said they meant when they included the right to bear arms; Julia Busch tests your medical IQ, and we present this week's MediaClowns of the Week award; and lots, lots more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: iwilsker@ih2000.net Subject: New HCI website listing Date: 09 Jul 1997 19:52:55 -0600 Handgun Control, Inc. (Organization) Handgun Control, Inc. Washington, DC, US Handgun Control, Inc. is a organization which works for the formulation and adoption of reasonable and practical measures for the prevention of gun violence. http://www.handguncontrol.org Ira Wilsker iwilsker@ih2000.net ICQ: 1641171 http://www.ih2000.net/ira/ira.htm OR http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1814/ira.htm NOW on POINTCAST! Details at http://www.ih2000.net/ira/pcn_jump.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BludyRed@aol.com Subject: Caplan2 Date: 09 Jul 1997 22:21:14 -0400 (EDT) NRA Director David I. Caplan has asked me to put a=20 message on various e-mail lists. He would emphasize,=20 however, that he is speaking solely as an individual and not as=20 a director of NRA. He would also point out that an individual=20 director of any corporation has no authority to speak for the=20 corporation unless specifically authorized to do so by its=20 board of directors or by its delegates. His letter follows. Any responses may be posted to list or sent to me directly for forwarding. Please put Caplan2 in the Subject line. Cross posting is requested. Regards, Dennis Baron ---------------------------------------------------------= ---- DAVID I. CAPLAN, PH.D., J.D. 41 MADISON AVENUE APT. 9B MADISON NJ 07940 "In response to recent criticisms of NRA-ILA, it may=20 be useful to recall the famous words of Otto von Bismarck. =20 He once remarked: 'Politics is the art [Lehrer] of the=20 possible.' "Bismarck was no namby-pamby leader. He once reminded=20 Parliament that sometimes 'iron and blood [eisen und blut]'=20 must be used to solve great issues of the day. =20 "Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America has recently=20 sent a 15-plus-page letter to the NRA Board of Directors. =20 In it, when describing his no-compromise version of real- politics he makes an important point. In this version of=20 real-politics, your effective lobbyist starts out with=20 proposed legislation that represents what the lobbyists=20 would wish to be enacted into law. That is to say, you=20 present a wish list to the legislature. If (and only if)=20 the legislature refuses to accept your wish list, only then=20 do you acquiesce to something less than what you asked for=20 in the first place. You thus force the opposition like=20 H.C.I. to amend your legislation rather that allow the=20 opposition to put you in the position of having to amend=20 their proposed legislation. In this way, your ultimate=20 legislation is better than it would have been if you had=20 started out with a compromise proposal as your own=20 proposal." "Therefore, the criticism that Larry Pratt levels=20 against the NRA, involves more a question of how to=20 compromise than a question of whether to compromise at all. =20 It thus involves subtle and not-so-subtle nuances and=20 judgment calls, as well as timing. Such judgment calls and=20 timing can involve, for example, the question of what the=20 lobbyist should ultimately accept, if anything, by way of=20 compromise legislation, as well as, perhaps more important,=20 the question of when you should accept it, if at all. "By the way, NRA-ILA has not yet responded to Mr.=20 Pratt's letter. Frankly, in my own opinion, there are some=20 inconsistencies between the theory and practice of=20 compromise and no-compromise as set forth therein. Such=20 inconsistencies may or may not sidetrack the main point that=20 he is attempting to set forth. On the other hand =97 to=20 paraphrase and maybe mangle Ralph Waldo Emerson =97 the demand=20 for a rigorous consistency in matters of real-politics is=20 the hobgoblin of small minds. =20 "As to the various facts presented by Mr. Pratt in his=20 letter to the NRA Board, at this juncture I have no way of=20 knowing the truth or accuracy of the facts he presents, but=20 only can evaluate the logical rigor of his presentation of=20 his theory of proper lobbying. "At any rate, the important point to remember here=20 relates to the fact that the practice of the art of politics=20 involves the realization of realities as opposed to utopian=20 dreams. Even Larry Pratt, if not especially Larry Pratt,=20 apparently realizes this elementary point. Otherwise he=20 would not have gotten very far in the legislative field. "Another important point relates to the fact that in=20 many areas of the nation mobilization of the membership to=20 write and call their legislators is easier than in other=20 areas. By the same token, in many areas of the nation=20 mobilization of the membership to write and call their=20 legislators is more difficult than in other areas. =20 Therefore, in some areas it is easier to take a harder,=20 truly no-compromise line; in other areas it is more=20 difficult to do so." [End of Message.] Sincerely, David I. Caplan =09 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Ferris Subject: "NATO Boy Clinton" Endorses Expansion of Alliance Date: 09 Jul 1997 23:20:07 -0400 (EDT) THIS IS A SLIGHTLY RIBALD SATIRE ... (DO NOT READ IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED) (Dysfunctional But Marginally Associated Press, Washington, D.C., July 9, 1997) "NATO (Normally Always 'Trousers Off') Boy Clinton" returned from a successful road trip to Europe during which he and a bunch of hard drinking pals played strip poker to determine which former Eastern European communist states' leaders would be allowed to join the exclusive NATO alliance, an elite club of mostly pantless good old boys much feared by women of good reputation worldwide. In the end, the nod was given to the leaders of the Check-Em-Out-Republic, Hung(a)ry (for booty) and Pole-Land, causing sheer terror among the adult and teenage female populations of those respective nations. Praising this addition of "trou-droppers" to NATO as it currently exists, Boy Clinton thundered, "In a dangerous world where fanatical Islamic leaders wearing non-union made towels on their heads cover themselves with yards of cloth and then threaten Western and Eastern European interests, it is vital that NATO leaders in European countries be prepared to stand firm, trousers and Hanes at half-mast, and tell crazed mullahs to 'kiss it', as necessary." Quoting from history, Boy Clinton warned Islamic crazies, "Learn from (Joanna) Paul(a) Jones, who said to me even before a mini-cannon shot had been fired in a Little Rock hotel room, "Surrender? Why, I have never seen such a sorry sight. Be gone." When asked about her opinion of her husband's role within NATO, the First Lady commented, "My husband's pole in NATO is a very small one. Always has been. Always will be. Give credit to the other larger NATO members for doing their part to keep wary, respectable women of the world on the run." THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE ... but "Boy Clinton's" character and actions are hardly satirical ... Christopher C. Ferris Litchfield NH ferriscc@mainstream.net Question: If Aldrich Ames was indeed the mole inside the CIA and John Huang turns out to have been the mole inside the DNC and the Department of Commerce, what will be the implications for national security if Boy Clinton turns out to have been the mole inside Paula Jones? Just wondering ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Back In Print!!!!! Date: 10 Jul 1997 00:54:01 PST Good news. Robert A. Heinlein's, "Beyond This Horizon", is back in print, and it's being published by ROC, (Penguin/Dutton/Signet), that is....:-) >From the Copyright page: Books are available at quantity discounts when used to promote products or services. For information, please write to Premium Marketing Division, Penguin Books USA inc., 375 Hudson St., New York, New York 10014. Sounds tailor made for grassroots Pro-Gun orgs, I wonder if other publishers do that sort of thing too.....? -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | If Guns are | Let he who hath no | Keep weapon in every | by COLT; | outlawed, only | weapon sell his | Your hand = Freedom | DIAL | RIGHT WINGERS | garment and buy a | Powder on every side! | 1911-A1. | will have Guns. | sword. Jesus Christ | Dry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patricia Fosness Subject: 1997-07-09 Notice to Congress on Treaty with Luxembourg Date: 10 Jul 1997 17:15:38 -0600 Note that this is "one of a series". Start with little Luxembourg and wind up where, I wonder? (Rhetorical question) > THE WHITE HOUSE > > Office of the Press Secretary > >________________________________________________________________________ >For Immediate Release July 9, 1997 > > >TO THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES: > > > With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to >ratification, I transmit herewith the Treaty Between the Government >of the United States of America and the Government of the Grand Duchy >of Luxembourg on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters, signed >at Washington on March 13, 1997, and a related exchange of notes. I >transmit also, for the information of the Senate, the report of the >Department of State with respect to the Treaty. > > The Treaty is one of a series of modern mutual legal assistance >treaties that the United States is negotiating in order to counter >criminal activity more effectively. The Treaty should be an effective >tool to assist in the prosecution of a wide variety of modern criminals, >including those involved in drug trafficking, terrorism, other violent >crime, and money laundering, fiscal fraud, and other "white-collar" >crime. The Treaty is self-executing. > > The Treaty provides for a broad range of cooperation in criminal >matters. Mutual assistance available under the Treaty includes: >taking testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, >records, and articles of evidence; trans-ferring persons in custody >for testimony or other purposes; locating or identifying persons and >items; serving documents; executing requests for searches and seizures; >immobilizing assets; assisting in proceedings related to forfeiture >and restitution; and rendering any other form of assistance not >prohibited by the laws of the Requested State. > > I recommend that the Senate give early and favorable consideration to >the Treaty and give its advice and consent to ratification. > > > > WILLIAM J. CLINTON > > >THE WHITE HOUSE, > July 8, 1997. > > ># # # > > > Pat Fosness listowner rkba-co NRA certified instructor: Rifle, Pistol, Personal Protection, Home Firearm Safety "For every honest, inoffensive, harmless citizen, there is a bureaucrat waiting to goof him up" -- Mike Royko ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patricia Fosness Subject: 1997-07-09 Notice to Congress on Treaty with Poland Date: 10 Jul 1997 17:24:05 -0600 And another one. Now, consider all this NATO expansion stuff - it would be naive to think that the "common defense" that's being celebrated has to do *merely* with protecting the borders from external aggressors, would it not? POTUS is bleating on about protecting our "shared values", as well. Wonder what all of those are? IMO, "defending the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic" is probably not one of them. > THE WHITE HOUSE > > Office of the Press Secretary > >________________________________________________________________________ >For Immediate Release July 9, 1997 > > >TO THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES: > > > With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to >ratification, I transmit herewith the Treaty Between the United States >of America and the Republic of Poland on Mutual Legal Assistance in >Criminal Matters, signed at Washington on July 10, 1996. I transmit >also, for the information of the Senate, the report of the Department >of State with respect to the Treaty. > > The Treaty is one of a series of modern mutual legal assistance >treaties being negotiated by the United States in order to counter >criminal activity more effectively. The Treaty should be an effective >tool to assist in the prosecution of a wide variety of crimes, >including "white-collar" crime and drug trafficking offenses. The >Treaty is self-executing. > > The Treaty provides for a broad range of cooperation in criminal >matters. Mutual assistance available under the Treaty includes: >taking of testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, >records, and articles of evidence; serving documents; locating or >identifying persons or items; transferring persons in custody for >testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches and >seizures; assisting in proceedings related to immobilization and >forfeiture of assets, restitution to the victims of crime, and >collection of fines; and any other form of assistance not prohibited >by the laws of the Requested State. > > I recommend that the Senate give early and favorable consideration >to the Treaty and give its advice and consent to ratification. > > > > WILLIAM J. CLINTON > > >THE WHITE HOUSE, > July 8, 1997. > > ># # # > > > Pat Fosness listowner rkba-co NRA certified instructor: Rifle, Pistol, Personal Protection, Home Firearm Safety "For every honest, inoffensive, harmless citizen, there is a bureaucrat waiting to goof him up" -- Mike Royko ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: 1997-07-09 Notice to Congress on Treaty with Luxembourg Date: 11 Jul 1997 09:45:46 -0400 (EDT) > >Note that this is "one of a series". Start with little Luxembourg and wind >up where, I wonder? (Rhetorical question) > Where they are winding up is attempting to pinch off all or most of the offshore tax havens, probably both in Europe and the Caribbean. Principle motivation: cut off flows of private capital seeking to escape U.S. tax rates. Secondary motivation: drive drug money above board, making life difficult for people with illegal income streams. Wonder where those Mena profits are? >> THE WHITE HOUSE >> >> Office of the Press Secretary >> >>________________________________________________________________________ >>For Immediate Release July 9, 1997 >> >> >>TO THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES: >> >> >> With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to >>ratification, I transmit herewith the Treaty Between the Government >>of the United States of America and the Government of the Grand Duchy >>of Luxembourg on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters, signed >>at Washington on March 13, 1997, and a related exchange of notes. I >>transmit also, for the information of the Senate, the report of the >>Department of State with respect to the Treaty. >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Carol Howe trial Date: 11 Jul 1997 13:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Hi. Just plucked this out of alt.politics.clinton, and can't vouch for its accuracy (obviously). The poster is incorrect about one thing, I have heard radio news broadcasts describing Miller as an FBI informant - his story is that he didn't consider himself an informant, cause he would just answer their questions. shades of the World Trade Center bombing. ciao, jcurtis From X Fri Jul 11 13:17:33 EDT 1997 Article: 424730 of alt.politics.clinton Path: usenet.cisco.com!cronkite.cisco.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!ais.net!ix.netcom.com!news Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton Organization: Netcom Lines: 131 Message-ID: <33C5A173.CFC@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: hrh1@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: esc-ca6-39.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="tpdl3.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jul 10 8:02:30 PM PDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; I) Content-Disposition: inline; filename="tpdl3.txt" Xref: usenet.cisco.com alt.politics.clinton:424730 >From - Wed Jul 09 10:06:27 1997 Return-Path: tpd@callamer.com Received: from spork.callamer.com (root@spork.callamer.com [199.74.141.2]) by connectnet1.connectnet.com (8.8.6/CONNECTnet-4.0/NORELAY) with ESMTP id TAA26582; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 19:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cas0-159.snlo.dialup.callamer.com (cas0-159.snlo.dialup.callamer.com [206.190.93.159]) by spork.callamer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14216; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 17:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970708180159.748791fc@callamer.com> X-Sender: tpd@callamer.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: a0f4e1c7fceee5b8a9431fffea7fe1a1 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 4836 THE POLITICAL DIGEST LITE © "THE Internet Clipping Service" 1079 Farroll Arroyo Grande, Ca. 93420 tpd@callamer.com Vol 3-L070897B ============================================= [01] [Editors Note: Below is a note from the person that transcribes radio programs for TPD that I refer to as "Anonymous."] Oklahoma Bombing News There was a huge event related to the Oklahoma City bombing case which occurred on Monday, June 30th. There is a massive news blackout on this story, which was written up for the McCurtain Daily Gazette by J.D. Cash (circulation of about 3,000) and is only now (just barely!) trickling out of Oklahoma. Jim Quinn reported this on his show this morning. I can only guess that he got it e-mailed to him by someone in Oklahoma who listens to his show on the Internet. I have not transcribed the full details yet because I have been searching the net for some scrap of this story, but it is nonexistent as far as any of the news wires, etc. are concerned. It should have made front page news and been the lead-off story on the network news shows. It goes something like this. On Monday there was a pre-trial hearing for Carol Howe. During this hearing, Ms. Howe's attorney (I'll have to get his name off my tape) was questioning an FBI agent. Under heavy and persistent questioning from Ms. Howe's attorney, this FBI agent finally admitted that the leader and founder of Elohim City, Rev. Robert Millar, was a confidential informant of the FBI! When this information came out, pandemonium broke out in the courtroom. A senior FBI agent and prosecution attorneys got up and stormed out of the courtroom in disgust. Robert Millar, known at Elohim City as "Grampa", was a major instigator, along with Andreas Strassmeir, in pushing his followers at this Neo-Nazi white supremicist terrorist training facility to "go to war" against the federal government and to blow up federal buildings. The admission in court by this FBI agent that Millar was working for them, reporting to them on the activities during this phase of provocation into terrorist action, is a clear indication that the federal government not only KNEW this bombing attack was coming, but that they had their own agent provoc- ateurs present agitating the followers into illegal terrorist action that proved deadly for at least 168 citizens of Oklahoma City. This completely blows the government's story that they did not know about any ties between Elohim City and the OKC bombing, that they did not have any PRIOR KNOWLEDGE that this bombing was going to take place. It opens up a whole new door for the pending civil suits against the federal government in this bombing case. So, let's see, we have Carol Howe working the inside of this compound and infiltrating this group on behalf of our Justice Dept. She reported back regularly to her BATF handlers and--GET THIS ONE--it has recently been learned that Carol Howe had the presence of mind to TAPE many of her phone conversations with her BATF handlers when she was reporting on the details of the bombing plans and other activities. You better know that the Justice Dept. is in a BIG SWEAT over this! And the FBI and Justice Dept. had Andreas Strassmeir working for them as an agent provocateur. He has since fled back to his native Germany where he is secluded and will not talk to any media or investigators. And now we learn about Robert "Grampa" Millar being part of the Justice Dept.'s little coterie of undercover informants and another agent provocateur. According to Quinn's report the scene at the courtroom on Monday was absolute bedlam! Has anyone heard a word about this? Read anything? Seen any of it on the news? Not! The lid is on and they must be on pins and needles at the White House over this one. ============================================= [02] [Editors Note: Since the House will be in session much of the time while the Senate hearings are going on, I am enclosing the following information FWIW. You can see it on the Internet at: http://www.allpolitics.com/1997/gen/resources/gavel/live.coverage/ If you are going to do this you will need to go to the below url and download the appropriate software plugin: http://www.vxtreme.com/plugin.html I would suggest downloading and setting up the plugin tonight so you are ready to go tomorrow. Thank you.] ============================================= \\/ayne //\ann "There has not been a single, solitary soul accuse me or my wife of doing anything illegal not only in the White House, in the presidential campaign, or in the governor's election." Bill Clinton December 20, 1995 as reported in the Los Angeles Times on December 21, 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Friday's Outrage: PRO BONO EQUALS $6.7 MILLION! (fwd) Date: 11 Jul 1997 13:11:57 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- [The Daily Outrage is interesting every day, even on the days that we don't carry it here on the RightNow list (you might want to consider signing up for an individual subscription). But today's article is a real gem! I'll bet this one gets forwarded around the 'net a bit! -Jack] The Daily Outrage! ************************ Friday, July 11, 1997 PRO BONO EQUALS $6.7 MILLION! Are the lawyers at the American Civil Liberties Union a group of idealists selflessly working for the advancement of civil liberty and individual freedom? Or are they a bunch of greedy hypocrites seeking to milk every possible dollar out of high-profile cases using the ACLU as a clever cover? Shannon Faulkner sued The Citadel so that she could attend South Carolina's formerly all-male state-run military school. The ACLU took on the case, representing Faulkner on a "pro bono" basis. To those of us with a traditional training in the language arts, "pro bono" means for the public good, i.e. "without charge." To the lawyers at the ACLU "pro bono" has a very different meaning -- different to the tune of $6.7 million dollars. It seems that US civil rights laws -- written by lawyers, of course -- allow for lawyers to collect fees from the losing side, even in cases which they have taken on as "pro bono" work. In other words, the selfless lawyers working for "the public good" are really working for themselves on a contingency basis. What is included in the ACLU's bill for $6.7 million? The ACLU and its "cooperating" attorneys and paralegals billed over 23,000 hours at rates up to $450 per hour. The bill includes over $28,000 in faxing charges, over $29,000 for couriers, and over $18,000 for taxi rides. $6,836 for lawyer meals, when they weren't even traveling, was also added to the tab. South Carolina taxpayers are also being billed $105,000 for 653 hours to prepare the bill. That's right Outraged readers, the bill for making the bill is over 100 grand. One of the ACLU's associated attorneys, Valerie Vojdik, called the battle to gain Miss Faulkner's admission "a holy war." But Vojdik must have a very material idea of what constitutes the altar of a holy war, as she is billing over a million dollars for her services alone. By contrast, the entire bill for the firm that represented The Citadel is about $700,000. After winning the case, Shannon Faulkner attended The Citadel for less than one day before dropping out. Read more about today's Outrage in the Washington Times story: ************************ Don't be the last to get Outraged! If you're not getting your own outrage every day, or if you have any other technical questions or concerns, write to . Editorial comments and insults should go to . Thanks for listening, and stay outraged! 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If you cannot access the World Wide Web, send an e-mail message to RightNow-Request@MailList.Net and on the SUBJECT LINE put the single word: unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Proof of Red Chinese wire transfer to Democrats Date: 11 Jul 1997 13:49:22 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- GOP Questions Source of $325,000 DNC Ex-Official Testifies for 2nd Day at Senate Fund-Raising Probe By Edward Walsh Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, July 11, 1997; Page A04 The Washington Post=20 =97Former Democratic National Committee finance director Richard Sullivan withstood a second day of questioning by the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee yesterday at a hearing in which Republicans disclosed the apparent source of two of the more mysterious contributions to President Clinton's reelection effort last year. Yogesh K. Gandhi, the head of a California foundation who claims to be the great-grandnephew of the late Indian leader Mohandas Gandhi, contributed $325,000. But according to Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and documents released by GOP staff aides, a few days after Gandhi made the contribution, he received a total of $500,000 in two wire transfers from an account in a Japanese branch of a U.S. bank that was held by Yoshio Tanaka, a Japanese business associate of Gandhi. Republican committee aides said the two wire transfers of $250,000 each were clearly the source of the Gandhi contribution and that they did not know what happened to the remaining $175,000 that was not contributed. But Democratic aides countered with copies of Gandhi's bank records that they said showed his account regularly received large deposits by wire transfer. Gandhi, who made the contribution after attending a Democratic fund-raising event that was attended by Clinton, has been a largely peripheral figure in the morass of questionable campaign fund-raising practices that led to the investigation by two congressional committees and a Justice Department task force. Sullivan, who reiterated that he had no knowledge of illegal contributions from foreign sources, was not even questioned about the Gandhi contribution. The second contribution, of $50,000, was made by Democratic fund-raiser Johnny Chung, who was allowed to take five Chinese businessmen to the White House to watch Clinton make one of his regular Saturday morning radio broadcasts. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) disclosed that three days before Chung made the contribution, $150,000 was transferred into his bank account from the Bank of China, but Specter provided no other details. Amid these disclosures, yesterday's hearing went over familiar ground, with Republicans questioning Sullivan on the circumstances surrounding the hiring of former Commerce Department official John Huang as a DNC fund-raiser, whether White House coffees for contributors with Clinton were illegal fund-raising events in a government facility and whether Vice President Gore knew that an event he attended at a Buddhist temple in California was a fund-raiser. Throughout the day, the soft-spoken Sullivan did not budge from his previous assertions on these issues. Near the end of the day, Sen. Robert G. Torricelli (D-N.J.) said his two days of testimony had produced no evidence to support the opening charge of committee Chairman Fred D. Thompson (R-Tenn.) that there is an ongoing plan by the Chinese government to undermine the U.S. political system, in part through the use of illegal campaign contributions. Huang is a central figure in the web of questionable fund-raising practices leading up to the 1996 election. Under questioning by Thompson, who was more aggressive than he had been on Wednesday, Sullivan said that his acknowledged concern about how Huang would conduct himself at the DNC was because of Huang's lack of experience and not because he thought Huang would seek contributions from foreign sources, which are banned by U.S. election laws. "If I had any inclination that John Huang would raise foreign money, I would have personally walked him to the elevator and walked him out of the building," he said. Sullivan also said Huang was not removed from responsibility for coordinating fund-raising events that Clinton attended because of concern about foreign money. Rather, he said, DNC officials were dissatisfied with the amount Huang was raising in small individual contributions, which are matched by the federal government, and worried about an "appearance" problem because Huang often had foreign nationals at fund-raising events, even though they could not legally contribute to the party. Sen. Robert F. Bennett (R-Utah) raised the name of Roger Tamraz, an Egyptian-born U.S. citizen and Democratic contributor who has been charged with embezzlement from a Lebanese bank. Bennett produced a memo written by Gore's staff that described Tamraz as an "American citizen with a shady and untrustworthy reputation" who should not be allowed to meet with senior administration officials=20 Bennett asked Sullivan why, despite this warning, Tamraz was later invited to the White House four times. Sullivan said he relayed the memo's warning to the "appropriate people" at the DNC and "obviously he was invited" anyway. "At the very least, all the safeguards broke down regularly and seriously at the DNC," Bennett said. At the hearings, which are to resume Tuesday, it was also disclosed yesterday that an associate of Huang's who also raised substantial sums of money for the DNC, Charles Yah Lin Trie, received a wire transfer of $149,985 from a Bank of China account in Hong Kong around the time he made large contributions to the DNC last year. Sullivan said he did not know the source of the Trie donations.=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BludyRed@aol.com Subject: Man Murders Maniac Machine Date: 12 Jul 1997 18:56:58 -0400 (EDT) I am rarely at a loss for words, however in this case...... I hope this "computer virus" does not catch on. Regards. Dennis c The Associated Press ISSAQUAH, Wash. - A 43-year-old man was coaxed out of his home by police after he pulled a gun on his personal computer and shot it several times, apparently in frustration. ''We don't know if it wouldn't boot up or what,'' Police Sgt. Keith Moon said Thursday. The computer, in a home office on the second floor of the townhouse, had four bullet holes in the hard drive and one in the monitor, according to Moon. One bullet struck a filing cabinet, while another made it through a wall and into a neighboring unit. No one was injured. Police evacuated the complex shortly after 8 p.m., while they contacted the man by telephone. He eventually agreed to discard the weapon and meet officers outside the building. Three guns and a knife were confiscated from the man's home, Moon said. A woman who lives with the man told police he had become increasingly upset over the past few days. The man was taken to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle for a mental evaluation after officers learned he had been under a doctor's care, Moon said. The case has been forwarded to the King County Prosecutor's office for review. According to Moon, the man could face charges of unlawfully discharging a weapon or reckless endangerment. AP-NY-07-11-97 0950EDT Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E. J. Totty" Subject: Re: Man Murders Maniac Machine Date: 13 Jul 1997 11:14:27 -0700 Dennis, You wrote: [...] I hope this "computer virus" does not catch on. [...] Word has it, that he was trying to run a MicroSoft product. I figured that after a while the insanity caused by using a Bill Gates product would have its impact, but no one would listen, and now this. I am vindicated! Power to the Mac! Now, I wonder, will he be able to sue Gates over product liability? (induced insanity?) ET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E. J. Totty" Subject: Re: Man Murders Maniac Machine Date: 13 Jul 1997 11:14:27 -0700 Dennis, You wrote: [...] I hope this "computer virus" does not catch on. [...] Word has it, that he was trying to run a MicroSoft product. I figured that after a while the insanity caused by using a Bill Gates product would have its impact, but no one would listen, and now this. I am vindicated! Power to the Mac! Now, I wonder, will he be able to sue Gates over product liability? (induced insanity?) ET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Bombing Grand Jury Calling 6 Witnesses This Week Date: 14 Jul 1997 00:52:47 -0500 Relavance to NOBAN is that bombing was major reason for no repeal of ugly gun ban, and for re-election of head baner and his minions) (Bombing Grand Jury Calling 6 Witnesses This Week 07/13/1997 By Ed Godfrey and Diana Baldwin Staff Writers Copyright 1997, The Oklahoman Six people have been subpoenaed to testify this week before an Oklahoma County grand jury investigating the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, The Oklahoman has learned. They are scheduled to be the first witnesses to appear before the panel. The grand jury was convened June 30 after two people highly distrustful of the federal government led a successful initiative petition drive for another bombing inquiry. State Rep. Charles Key, R-Oklahoma City, and Glenn Wilburn, an Oklahoma City accountant who lost two grandsons in the blast, do not believe the federal government is telling the truth about the April 19, 1995, explosion. The bombing resulted in 168 deaths. Persian Gulf War veteran Timothy McVeigh, 29, was found guilty in federal court June 2 of blowing up the building with a fertilizer bomb in a Ryder truck. Eleven days later, a Denver jury sentenced McVeigh to death. Co-defendant Terry Nichols, 42, is scheduled for trial Sept. 29. Key will get his opportunity this week to share his suspicions with the Oklahoma County grand jury. The lawmaker said he received a subpoena last week to appear Tuesday. ''I am looking forward to going before the grand jury,'' Key said. ''I am anxious for us to win this battle that we have been fighting so long to reveal the truth. ''I am going in there and tell them everything we have prepared and gathered in the last 1 1/2 to 2 years. ''I believe in juries, and I hope the grand jury will be very thorough in its investigation.'' Also subpoenaed is Kyle Hunt, a Broken Arrow banker who reportedly saw a Ryder truck followed by a light-colored sedan at Broadway and Main about 30 minutes before the explosion . Hunt, 52, was coming to a meeting at an Oklahoma City law office and told the FBI there were three people in the car. The driver of the car, whom he later identified as McVeigh, glared at him as they passed. He cannot identify anyone in the truck. He said both vehicles headed toward Bricktown. Hunt confirmed he was subpoenaed to appear Monday but declined to be interviewed. David Snider, who worked at a warehouse in Bricktown, also said he has been subpoenaed by the grand jury. Snider, 37, told The Oklahoman he has been ''waiting 26 months for this to happen.'' Snider claims he witnessed McVeigh with another man in a Ryder truck driving through Bricktown the morning of April 19. McVeigh was the passenger, he said. Snider said he was waiting for two men in a rental truck to pick up a delivery from the warehouse when he saw the Ryder truck. He said the truck traveled slowly, ''a speed like a person walks. To me they looked like they were looking for an address.'' Snider, 37, said he started waving to get their attention, thinking it was the truck to pick up the delivery. The truck drove slowly past him and the passenger started ''mouthing off,'' Snider claims. Snider believes he knows who accompanied McVeigh, and he also believes his life is in danger for what he knows. ''I have felt that way for a long time. I have moved a couple of times. I was afraid of living by myself. ''I was just doing my job. ... I was told there were two people in a rental truck coming to get equipment. Those were the only two people I saw in a rental truck. It has all led up to this.'' Snider plans to take his own drawing of the man he saw with McVeigh the morning of the bombing and a tape of a television interview with the man he saw. Also subpoenaed was Dennis Mahon, a self-proclaimed white separatist and leader in the White Aryan Resistance. The Tulsan was subpoenaed because his former girlfriend, Carol Howe, an informant for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, claims he and German national Andreas Strassmeir were casing the Murrah Building. McVeigh's attorneys wanted to call Howe as a witness in his federal trial, but U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch ruled her testimony was irrelevant. That is one of the issues McVeigh's attorneys are raising on appeal. Mahon, who operates a Dial-A-Racist hotline, accuses Howe, also from Tulsa, of being ''a pathological liar'' and of ''trying to make a buck off me.'' He denies any involvement in the Oklahoma City bombing. ''I had nothing to do with it. I don't know who did. I was as shocked as anybody.'' Mahon, 46, said he does consider McVeigh ''a tragic hero.'' ''He is a hero in that he struck back against all odds, and it's tragic that his timing was wrong. I think if he bombed the building early in the morning it would have been a symbolic gesture. You don't start a revolution by killing civilians.'' Mahon said he will appear before the grand jury but will likely take the Fifth Amendment and refuse to testify. ''I'm going to have to. I don't know what is going on. I don't like grand juries. It is a fishing expedition. I can't believe they jumped on me so ... fast. See, they can't get Strassmeir because he is in Germany. So I'm available.'' Also subpoenaed to appear is V.Z. Lawton, a 66-year-old management specialist for the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. Lawton confirmed he is subpoenaed to appear Tuesday. Lawton was in the Murrah Building when it exploded. He was treated at an emergency room and later released. ''I lost a lot of hearing and had a hole in the back of my head. Blood was still running out of it that afternoon, and I didn't know about it. I had a lot of trash, Sheetrock and dust in my eyes that they had to clean out. That was the main reason I went (to the emergency room.)'' Lawton said he was driven home that day by four employees from the General Services Administration. They told him they were sent from Fort Worth to Oklahoma City on April 18 to do a security check on the Murrah Building. ''That puts them there a day earlier to do a security check of the Murrah building which lends itself to someone having some prior knowledge that something might have been happening. Or it could be a fluke.'' One of the men indicated he worked on elevators, Lawton said. They said they were walking to the building when it exploded, he said. Also scheduled to testify is Oscar Johnson, the general manager of the Mid-Western Elevator Co. Johnson said he is subpoenaed to appear Tuesday. His company maintained the elevators in the Murrah Building. ''We had a couple of guys who were supposed to be in the building (when it exploded). They were across the street in the courthouse. The federal inspector was late getting there, so they were waiting for him in the coffee shop. They were just coming out when the bomb went off.'' Johnson, 48, said the seven elevators in the Murrah building were undergoing an annual inspection on April 18 and 19. ''I guess what I am going to be called to testify about is that No. 2 elevator, (the one) the agents were on.'' Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent Alex McCauley claims he and an agent from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration were in an elevator that dropped five floors -- to the third -- when the bomb went off. Johnson says that couldn't have happened. ''It did not happen,'' Johnson said. ''In a free fall condition, the cab would have gone up with just two people in there.'' Johnson said his workers found the elevator between the parking garage and the first floor. That is where the elevator had to be when the blast blew the doors off and power was lost, he said. When the elevator was found, a wall was pushed against the top of it ''and there is no way you could have gotten the doors open. Our guys were the first ones there to open the top emergency access, and there was no one in it. ''So that is what they are bringing me in to testify about. There are conflicting stories. They said they fell, and we said they didn't.'' Johnson also disbelieves a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) report about the size of the crater left by the bomb. That report states the blast left a 28-foot diameter crater, but Johnson claims the crater size was only about 16 feet. Johnson said one of his elevator servicemen has a photograph that show the crater was smaller than FEMA claims. Johnson considers his testimony only a ''small piece of the puzzle.'' ''I just hope the grand jury gets all the information. ... ''I'm not saying everything you hear out there is true. There are facts that need to be investigated.'' The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: TOSN: (fwd) "Waco: the Rules of Engagement" (fwd) Date: 15 Jul 1997 12:07:45 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Snipped and forwarded from C-NEWS: "Waco: the Rules of Engagement" What started out to be a one-hour TV documentary is now a two-hour-and-15-minute film being shown in theaters. "The agenda was, just as it was when we were in the news business, it was to determine as nearly as possible what the facts actually are, and to tell the public what those facts are. They can make up their own minds about whether we're right. But at least they have accurate information to make informed decisions," stated Dan Gifford, co-Executive Producer with his wife Amy Sommer Gifford of "WACO: The Rules of Engagement." Showing clips of their production on NET's weekly talk show "Next Revolution," they described to host Brad Keena how the FBI's infrared film reveals a heretofore unknown fact about the siege at Waco. Dan Gifford explained, "The infrared camera was a device that was being used by the FBI each day in the sky.It was a surveillance device. What they were using this for was to spot where people were or what was going on at the time. This was just routine.. What you see on the 19th (of April 1993) on the back of the building, which was completely hidden at all times from the news cameras, was that you can clearly see that there's a lot of activity going on that we never heard about, such as the tanks tearing out the back of the building and this tremendous amount of automatic weapons fire." - From a film clip, Edward Allard, former head of the Defense Department's night vision laboratory at Ft. Belvoir, Virginia said, "The important thing to notice is the gunfire, multiple rounds are being fired from at least two different positions. It's about ten bursts in approximately two to three seconds?.There is nothing in nature that would duplicate these types of thermal signatures, primarily because of the short duration of the bursts themselves. Nothing in nature could do that. According to our calculations, it indicates that both positions were firing automatic weapons." Another clip from a Senate Committee hearing, Dick Rogers, former FBI hostage and rescue team coordinator testified, "I'll remind the American people one more time that during that entire time, those six hours, and, indeed, those 51 days, the FBI never fired one shot at the Davidians." Gifford added, "We also augment this with another analysis done for CBS's "60 Minutes," which also had done this, which also agrees with what we found. Of course, "60 Minutes" spiked the story!" Amy Sommer Gifford pointed out, "I don't know if it's a question of a lie, per se, but what we did is facts to us, and we have a sheet full of experts who agree with us?.We only included things in the film that we could verify with at least two outside sources." She added, "February 28th was really the tragic day. Because you had ATF agents there believing they were serving their God and country, doing the right thing. And you had the Davidians there believing that they were serving their God and their country. And it just was a tragedy! Four ATF agents died and six Davidians inside was the entire death toll." She said, "It's about people with badges and guns who went a little far." Dick Gifford spoke to the action of the ATF storming the compound firing weapons. "All of the evidence which would prove who is telling the truth is missing. We have, first of all, this large white double door at the front of the building. A lot of gunfire bullet holes are in one half of the one side of that. That half of the door disappeared after the fire. The ATF had just lots of cameras there?.They wanted to have a big publicity campaign to impress Congress. Miraculously, the tapes now are either missing or blank! All these videotapes which would show who is telling the truth." Contact: Karen O'Hara @ the Key Theatre 202.965.4401 / website www.waco93.com Federal government lied about Waco (Commentary by J. Bradley Keena on NET's "Next Revolution") Last month, President Bill Clinton received criticism from racial activists complaining his Administration had not done enough for their agenda on race. Washington's establishment media reported their criticisms. As a sensitive President who feels their pain, Mr. Clinton quickly convened a meeting at the White House and the Administration immediately plunged into action. Administration officials began by announcing new actions to curb the alleged racism. President Clinton delivered a series of speeches calling for racial sensitivity, reaffirming racial quotas, and even suggesting that perhaps he should apologize on behalf of the federal government for slavery. As if this were not enough, Attorney General Janet Reno even suggested that judges ought to find more whites to send to death row in an effort to foster racial balance in the gas chamber! Two things immediately come to mind. First, after the Executive Branch, there really are no other branches of government today. The legislative and judicial branches are subordinate to the will of the Administration. Second, the President had the right idea about a national apology; he simply had the wrong subject in mind. I believe the federal government should apologize for its deadly raid on the Branch Davidian compound at Waco, Texas in 1993. If the documentary, "Waco: The Rules of Engagement," says anything, it tells us - beyond any reasonable doubt - that the federal government lied about what happened and covered up the facts which have demonstrated those lies. The Waco raid was the largest raid in the history of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; it was the largest federal armed entry ever of an American home; and it resulted in the largest number of deaths of law enforcement officers in a single operation, as well as the largest number of civilian deaths in a law enforcement operation. Why were so many people - mostly women and children - confined in the compound on the final day when the fires began? An infrared film of that assault indicated there was automatic gunfire from outside the smoking building preventing those inside from escaping. Why? The answer became clear the moment the siege ended, and the federal police ran the flag up the compound flag pole: revenge. The BATF was not unlike any army that had been defeated and took casualties on the first day of conflict. They retreated and called in reinforcements. In came the FBI, and with it tanks and helicopters to manage the inevitable siege. Those inside the compound were kept from the media cameras and microphones. Disinformation and propaganda, therefore, belonged to the federal government. The local police, having been skeptical of the motives of the Feds, were excluded from the war. Eventually, under political pressure, Attorney General Janet Reno ordered the siege be brought to a swift and decisive conclusion. The power now rested with the army gathered around the compound. While Reno had her reasons, the warriors had theirs. For their previous humiliation at the hands of the occupants of the compound, they exacted a deadly revenge on April 19, 1993. The compound was gassed, allowed to burn, strafed by automatic rifle fire, and the siege ended. The Feds celebrated that day. Inside, all of the children died. The Waco tragedy is representative of citizens' worst fears about their government: the use of firepower by politically appointed federal officials against the people of the United States. Unbridled federal authority, lax police procedures, and the use of militarized federal police against America's ordinary citizens are ominous signs portending more Wacos ahead. In the mud of that tragedy lies a tattered Constitution. The blood of innocent Americans have stained its words. Military boots have mutilated its pages. Can real reform ever prevent the Next Revolution? Contact: Brad Keena @ Free Congress Foundation 202.546.3000 EDITOR's NOTE: There are now three ways to receive NET daily programming. It is available 24 hours a day via satellite at GE1-19. If cable TV is available in your area, request it from your local operator. If cable is not available or you do not receive all of NET's programming, order an 18" satellite dish from EchoStar - the Dish Network by calling today 1-800-NET-5555. - - ------ To subscribe to c-news, send the message SUBSCRIBE C-NEWS, or the message UNSUBSCRIBE C-NEWS to unsubscribe, to majordomo@world.std.com. 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He refused to say what he had told the panel, but when asked if they took him seriously, he replied, "I hope so." Mr. Hunt has said in the past that he saw a Ryder truck and a light-colored sedan near the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building a few minutes before the bombing that killed 168 people. Mr. McVeigh and two other men were in the sedan, and Mr. McVeigh turned to glare at him, Mr. Hunt has said. Shortly after Mr. Hunt left Monday, the second witness, warehouse worker David Snider, arrived carrying a metal briefcase. Mr. Snider said he brought "a tape and a composite sketch." Mr. Snider was inside for just over an hour. He declined comment as he left. "Guys, I can't say anything right now. I just told the truth." Mr. Snider wouldn't elaborate on what was on the videotape he brought with him. Mr. Snider has said that he saw Mr. McVeigh in the passenger seat of a Ryder truck several blocks away from the Murrah building at about the same time as Mr. Hunt's sighting. The grand jury was impaneled June 30 after a petition drive mounted by State Rep. Charles Key and Glenn Wilburn, an Oklahoma City accountant who lost two young grandsons in the blast. Both men think the bombing was the work of a larger conspiracy, and they contend that federal agents had prior knowledge of the plot. Although the federal indictment against Mr. McVeigh and Terry Nichols alleges they acted with "others unknown," authorities now doubt a larger conspiracy. And they vehemently deny any foreknowledge of the attack. Mr. McVeigh was convicted last month on federal murder and conspiracy charges. The same jury recommended a death sentence. Mr. Nichols' trial on the same charges is set to begin Sept. 29. The grand jury is expected to call at least six witnesses this week, including Mr. Hunt. Mr. Key is expected to testify on Tuesday. Among the other witnesses scheduled for this week is Dennis Mahon, a Tulsa white supremacist. Mr. Mahon's ex-girlfriend, Carol Howe, a former federal informant, told authorities after the bombing that she had overheard Mr. Mahon and Andreas Strassmeir, a German national, discussing bombing federal buildings. Mr. McVeigh's defense tried to call Ms. Howe during his trial, but the judge ruled her testimony irrelevant. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gdoty@earthlink.net (Greg Doty) Subject: Fwd: FBI DIRECTOR DECLARES WAR ON THE CONSTITUTION -- Are You Awake Yet??? Date: 15 Jul 1997 22:11:11 -0700 (PDT) >From: Clido@aol.com >Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:10:44 -0400 (EDT) >cc: dragoon@fxbbs.com, pbr5000@mindspring.com >Subject: Fwd: FBI DIRECTOR DECLARES WAR ON THE CONSTITUTION -- Are You Awake Yet??? >X-UIDL: 5d591a95247bf17ea75d50af25d3186c > > >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >Subj: FBI DIRECTOR DECLARES WAR ON THE CONSTITUTION -- Are You Awake >Yet??? >Date: 97-07-15 08:58:41 EDT >From: TWStough >To: TWStough > > > > > >THIS IS THE MOST BLATANT EVIDENCE THAT THE CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN TOTALLY >ABANDONED THAT I HAVE SEEN. ANYONE TRYING TO SPEAK FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND >THE BILL OF RIGHTS IS NOW AN ENEMY OF THE STATE AND AN OPEN TARGET FOR >PERSECUTION. > >BY DEFINITION, declaring war on people who want to uphold the Constitution is >treason under the definition in the Constitution -- oh, but I forgot they >invalidated that old document years ago. > >Are you going to act? > > >Subj: Fwd: ****Fwd: IMPORTANT: Respecters of the Constitution now the >"enemies" of ... >Date: 97-07-15 08:37:14 EDT >From: October L >To: TWStough > > >----------------- >Forwarded Message: >Subj: ****Fwd: IMPORTANT: Respecters of the Constitution now the "enemies" of >the Fede >Date: 97-07-14 14:06:02 EDT >From: Iam Dorian > >Hello, > >one of the things I have done over the last 10-12 years (as my understanding >of the New World Order's agenda became clear) has been to watch for JUST SUCH >RHETORIC as this announcement represents. > >We, the people...in order to form a MORE PERFECT union (than Monarchies, >Fascism and Dictatorships) formed a nation and empowered a Government to do >the ...WILL of the PEOPLE. > >Today, as we race towards a frighteningly unsure future that seems to augur a >truly high-tech version of the same old draconian totalitarianism our father >fought against and died for, we read such utter RUBBISH is this PROCLAIMATION >against Constitutionalists. I want to point out just a couple of >things-phrases an words labels-that we being carefully manipulated for PUBLIC >consumption. > >The article says: > >"FBI Director Louis Freeh stated that the focus of the federal government's >domestic anti-terrorism efforts are 'various individuals, as well as >organizations, some having an ideology [WHICH SUSPECTS] government, of world >- order conspiracies-individuals who, for various reasons, have organized >themselves [AGAINST THE UNITED STATES.]" > >This is really A JOKE! A VERY DANGEROUS line of carefully couched RHETORIC. > >First, let's clear one thing up...there has NEVER BEEN A TIME that there were >NOT CONSPIRACIES? Define CONSPIRACY?? A plotting, a scheming, an agenda by >certain groups or individuals to come together in actions or policies for >some mutually beneficial end? Could not this be the DEFINITION of POLITICS? > >Look at the wording here: > >"...having an ideology [WHICH SUSPECTS] government.." My gods? This includes >every intelligent person who EVER read a history book? Who are they kidding? >Maybe a MINDLESS, uneducated, zombie...but topic of public presentations by >presidents of this country for YEARS? Truman's PLAN for global domination by >"Democracy" (Rome was a Democracy), Kennedy's UN briefing on Global >Disarmament in 1961, Bush's many speeches on a New World Order, Clinton's >rhetoric RICH in NWO/Socialist rhetoric...so WHAT GIVES? Are ALL Americans >with two teaspoon's worth of gray matter between their ears a POTENTIAL >TERRORIST? > >Is anyone guilty of DEMANDING of a Constitutionally guaranteed right of Free >Speech and Sovereignty guilty of a CONSPIRACY of CONSCIENCE? "WHICH SUSPECTS" >has not action attached to it? Are we now at a point where a PARANOID >SOCIALISTIC REGIME prepared to Arrest people for THOUGHTS and justifiable >apprehension? Are we REALLY READY for THOUGHT POLICE???? > >It does say that ACTION requires some... "some indication of criminal >activity," you say? Read CAREFULLY...the word some INDICATION"...?!?!? Just >what is an INDICATION. Remember, it does NOT SAY PROOF??? THIS is a VERY >subtle and insidiously SLY press release in this man's opinion! > >And the article continues...: > >"Freeh made it clear that the chief domestic 'enemy' consists of 'individuals >who espouse ideologies inconsistent with principles of federal [sic] >government!'" > >OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH>>>really? Since WHEN is a IDEOLOGY based in a >CONSTITUTIONALLY-regulated Federal goverment the same thing as a >ANTI-Federalist mindset? That's easy to answer! When the FEDERAL Government >ASSUMES PARANOID and CONSPIRITORIAL POSTURING by name-calling and classifying >a large percentage of its citizens as "ENEMIES," concurrently aspousing the >ursurping of the CONSTITUTIONALLY guaranteed CIVIL LIBERTIES Liberties by >DRACONIAN POWERS AND IDEOLOGIES! > >This Press Release should SCARE the PANTS off of any red-blooded, gun owning, >free-thinking, constitutionally-minded and even vaguely intelligent American! > >And this is REALLY SCAREY...this announcement of YET ANOTHER unkown >"Presidential Decision Directive!" What is THAT you say? These are nothing >less than a policy which is pushed on an unsuspecting America by way of >CONGRESSIONAL OVERRIDE by Chancellor Clinton...and Chancellor BUSH before >him...Directives stating PRESIDENTIAL (Federal EXxecutive Branch) policy >intentions/laws...and these documents put the policies into action BEFORE any >Congressional/Judicial rulings/consensus has been obtained... > >...to put Presidential Directives into perspective, it's like the kid that >grabs your lunch and takes off running! You yell, "Hey, give that back," and >he says..."try to catch me!" Only, in this case the lunch...is your >constitutionally-sanctioned sovereinty and representative form of >government! > >The statement by the Federal Government also lets you know that they are >moving now to CONSOLIDATE and FEDERALIZE "ALL" enforcement of Anti-Terrorism. >The FEDERALIZATION of the each state's Police Forces is the LAST STEP in >Militarizing the Police. Remember our Constitution NEVER LEGALIZED ANY >FEDERAL POLICE FORCE! The federal government was supposed to coordinate ARMED >FORCES against Foreign Threats to this country NOT AGAINST ITS OWN CITIZENS!@ > > >..and SPEAKING of representational governments (this means that those you >elect look out for your STATE-Based rights and interests...), the article in >the "New American" points out that: > >"None of the senators expressed misgivings about the consolidation of federal >law enforcement, intelligence, and military functions, or about the >implications of directing those newly consolidated powers at a domestic >'enemy.'" > > >My friends...WE ARE IN DEEP COW PUCKY! And the steady stream of BS from the >Federal Government has gone from a trickle to a TORRENT, threatening, I fear, >to sweep real issues of sovereignty and Constitutionally-gauranteed civil >liberties into a sea of rhetoric...that the average American will not be able >to distinguish from truth! > >...can you? > >Still claiming my INALIENABLE RIGHTS! > >Dorian > >----------------- >Forwarded Message: >Subj: IMPORTANT: Respecters of the Constit. now the enemies of >Date: 97-07-14 04:59:17 EDT >From: deva777@dedot.com (Charmaine Ferreira - Apcalypse Project) >Reply-to: deva777@dedot.com >To: descriptive.text@dedot.com > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 22:33:28 >To: (Recipient list suppressed) >From: Angie Carlson >Subject: IMPORTANT: Respecters of the Constit. now the enemies of the > state > > >>>From: "Roger D. Cravens, Jr." (by way of Leroy >>Crenshaw ) >>>Subject: piml] [JBS] Enemies of "World Order" >>> >>>ENEMIES OF "WORLD ORDER" >>> >>>Addressing a May 13th session of the Senate Appropriations Committee, >>>FBI Director Louis Freeh stated that the focus of the federal >>>government's domestic anti-terrorism efforts are "various individuals, >>>as well as organizations, some having an ideology which suspects >>>government, of world - order conspiracies - individuals who, for various >>>reasons, have organized themselves against the United States." Allowing >>>that action against such groups requires "some indication of criminal >>>activity." Freeh made it clear that the chief domestic "enemy" consists >>>of "individuals who espouse ideologies inconsistent with principles of >>>federal [sic] government" - in short, right-wing extremism. >>> >>>The May 13th Senate committee session also disclosed the existence of >>>the previously unknown Presdiential Decision Directive (PDD) 39, which, >>>according to Freeh, "sets out the responsibilities not only of the FBI, >>>but emphasizes most importantly [inter-agency] coordination, which is >>>required among all federal agencies to discharge the objectives of the >>>federal policy with respect to terrorism." Freeh noted that "there is >>>particular emphasis in that plan for coordination between the Department >>>of Defense and the Department of Justice" in matters of chemical, >>>biological, or nuclear terrorism, or threats to the infrastructure >>>(highways, power grids, etc.). >>> >>>Both PDD 39 and recently enacted federal anti-terrorism legislation have >>>led to significant amalgamation of federal law enforcement and >>>intelligence agencies. Freeh proudly referred to "coordination with our >>>other partners, and particularly our partners in the CIA. We have >>>exchanged deputies at a very high level between the FBI and the CIA in >>>the counter-terrorism areas....The deputy at the CIA's counter-terrorism >>>center has been and will be...an FBI agent. We have conducted joint >>>training with the CIA, conferencing, operational planning across the >>>board." >>> >>>In addition, Freeh explained that the FBI's new counter-terrorism >>>center "contains representatives of 16 other federal agencies and...is >>>dedicated for the first time to a central collection, analytical point, >>>in the federal government for threats, particularly those regarding >>>domestic terrorism." >>> >>>None of the senators expressed misgivings about the consolidation of >>>federal law enforcement, intelligence, and military functions, or about >>>the implications of directing those newly consolidated powers at a >>>domestic "enemy." >>> >>>Source: The New American >>> Insider Report, p.7 >>> June 23, 1997 >>> >>> >>>******************************************************************** >>>* Liberty is NEVER an option ... only a condition to be lost! * >>>* http://www.jbs.org * >>>******************************************************************** >>>* Roger Cravens, SYSOP * >>>* South East Signals Intelligence Group BBS: (770-) 942-1089 * >>>* Atlanta, GA * >>>******************************************************************** >>>* Signals Intelligence: "... and the truth will set you free"! * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gdoty@earthlink.net (Greg Doty) Subject: Fwd: FBI DIRECTOR DECLARES WAR ON THE CONSTITUTION -- Are You Awake Yet??? Date: 15 Jul 1997 22:12:20 -0700 (PDT) >From: Clido@aol.com >Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:10:44 -0400 (EDT) >cc: dragoon@fxbbs.com, pbr5000@mindspring.com >Subject: Fwd: FBI DIRECTOR DECLARES WAR ON THE CONSTITUTION -- Are You Awake Yet??? >X-UIDL: 5d591a95247bf17ea75d50af25d3186c > > >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >Subj: FBI DIRECTOR DECLARES WAR ON THE CONSTITUTION -- Are You Awake >Yet??? >Date: 97-07-15 08:58:41 EDT >From: TWStough >To: TWStough > > > > > >THIS IS THE MOST BLATANT EVIDENCE THAT THE CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN TOTALLY >ABANDONED THAT I HAVE SEEN. ANYONE TRYING TO SPEAK FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND >THE BILL OF RIGHTS IS NOW AN ENEMY OF THE STATE AND AN OPEN TARGET FOR >PERSECUTION. > >BY DEFINITION, declaring war on people who want to uphold the Constitution is >treason under the definition in the Constitution -- oh, but I forgot they >invalidated that old document years ago. > >Are you going to act? > > >Subj: Fwd: ****Fwd: IMPORTANT: Respecters of the Constitution now the >"enemies" of ... >Date: 97-07-15 08:37:14 EDT >From: October L >To: TWStough > > >----------------- >Forwarded Message: >Subj: ****Fwd: IMPORTANT: Respecters of the Constitution now the "enemies" of >the Fede >Date: 97-07-14 14:06:02 EDT >From: Iam Dorian > >Hello, > >one of the things I have done over the last 10-12 years (as my understanding >of the New World Order's agenda became clear) has been to watch for JUST SUCH >RHETORIC as this announcement represents. > >We, the people...in order to form a MORE PERFECT union (than Monarchies, >Fascism and Dictatorships) formed a nation and empowered a Government to do >the ...WILL of the PEOPLE. > >Today, as we race towards a frighteningly unsure future that seems to augur a >truly high-tech version of the same old draconian totalitarianism our father >fought against and died for, we read such utter RUBBISH is this PROCLAIMATION >against Constitutionalists. I want to point out just a couple of >things-phrases an words labels-that we being carefully manipulated for PUBLIC >consumption. > >The article says: > >"FBI Director Louis Freeh stated that the focus of the federal government's >domestic anti-terrorism efforts are 'various individuals, as well as >organizations, some having an ideology [WHICH SUSPECTS] government, of world >- order conspiracies-individuals who, for various reasons, have organized >themselves [AGAINST THE UNITED STATES.]" > >This is really A JOKE! A VERY DANGEROUS line of carefully couched RHETORIC. > >First, let's clear one thing up...there has NEVER BEEN A TIME that there were >NOT CONSPIRACIES? Define CONSPIRACY?? A plotting, a scheming, an agenda by >certain groups or individuals to come together in actions or policies for >some mutually beneficial end? Could not this be the DEFINITION of POLITICS? > >Look at the wording here: > >"...having an ideology [WHICH SUSPECTS] government.." My gods? This includes >every intelligent person who EVER read a history book? Who are they kidding? >Maybe a MINDLESS, uneducated, zombie...but topic of public presentations by >presidents of this country for YEARS? Truman's PLAN for global domination by >"Democracy" (Rome was a Democracy), Kennedy's UN briefing on Global >Disarmament in 1961, Bush's many speeches on a New World Order, Clinton's >rhetoric RICH in NWO/Socialist rhetoric...so WHAT GIVES? Are ALL Americans >with two teaspoon's worth of gray matter between their ears a POTENTIAL >TERRORIST? > >Is anyone guilty of DEMANDING of a Constitutionally guaranteed right of Free >Speech and Sovereignty guilty of a CONSPIRACY of CONSCIENCE? "WHICH SUSPECTS" >has not action attached to it? Are we now at a point where a PARANOID >SOCIALISTIC REGIME prepared to Arrest people for THOUGHTS and justifiable >apprehension? Are we REALLY READY for THOUGHT POLICE???? > >It does say that ACTION requires some... "some indication of criminal >activity," you say? Read CAREFULLY...the word some INDICATION"...?!?!? Just >what is an INDICATION. Remember, it does NOT SAY PROOF??? THIS is a VERY >subtle and insidiously SLY press release in this man's opinion! > >And the article continues...: > >"Freeh made it clear that the chief domestic 'enemy' consists of 'individuals >who espouse ideologies inconsistent with principles of federal [sic] >government!'" > >OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH>>>really? Since WHEN is a IDEOLOGY based in a >CONSTITUTIONALLY-regulated Federal goverment the same thing as a >ANTI-Federalist mindset? That's easy to answer! When the FEDERAL Government >ASSUMES PARANOID and CONSPIRITORIAL POSTURING by name-calling and classifying >a large percentage of its citizens as "ENEMIES," concurrently aspousing the >ursurping of the CONSTITUTIONALLY guaranteed CIVIL LIBERTIES Liberties by >DRACONIAN POWERS AND IDEOLOGIES! > >This Press Release should SCARE the PANTS off of any red-blooded, gun owning, >free-thinking, constitutionally-minded and even vaguely intelligent American! > >And this is REALLY SCAREY...this announcement of YET ANOTHER unkown >"Presidential Decision Directive!" What is THAT you say? These are nothing >less than a policy which is pushed on an unsuspecting America by way of >CONGRESSIONAL OVERRIDE by Chancellor Clinton...and Chancellor BUSH before >him...Directives stating PRESIDENTIAL (Federal EXxecutive Branch) policy >intentions/laws...and these documents put the policies into action BEFORE any >Congressional/Judicial rulings/consensus has been obtained... > >...to put Presidential Directives into perspective, it's like the kid that >grabs your lunch and takes off running! You yell, "Hey, give that back," and >he says..."try to catch me!" Only, in this case the lunch...is your >constitutionally-sanctioned sovereinty and representative form of >government! > >The statement by the Federal Government also lets you know that they are >moving now to CONSOLIDATE and FEDERALIZE "ALL" enforcement of Anti-Terrorism. >The FEDERALIZATION of the each state's Police Forces is the LAST STEP in >Militarizing the Police. Remember our Constitution NEVER LEGALIZED ANY >FEDERAL POLICE FORCE! The federal government was supposed to coordinate ARMED >FORCES against Foreign Threats to this country NOT AGAINST ITS OWN CITIZENS!@ > > >..and SPEAKING of representational governments (this means that those you >elect look out for your STATE-Based rights and interests...), the article in >the "New American" points out that: > >"None of the senators expressed misgivings about the consolidation of federal >law enforcement, intelligence, and military functions, or about the >implications of directing those newly consolidated powers at a domestic >'enemy.'" > > >My friends...WE ARE IN DEEP COW PUCKY! And the steady stream of BS from the >Federal Government has gone from a trickle to a TORRENT, threatening, I fear, >to sweep real issues of sovereignty and Constitutionally-gauranteed civil >liberties into a sea of rhetoric...that the average American will not be able >to distinguish from truth! > >...can you? > >Still claiming my INALIENABLE RIGHTS! > >Dorian > >----------------- >Forwarded Message: >Subj: IMPORTANT: Respecters of the Constit. now the enemies of >Date: 97-07-14 04:59:17 EDT >From: deva777@dedot.com (Charmaine Ferreira - Apcalypse Project) >Reply-to: deva777@dedot.com >To: descriptive.text@dedot.com > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 22:33:28 >To: (Recipient list suppressed) >From: Angie Carlson >Subject: IMPORTANT: Respecters of the Constit. now the enemies of the > state > > >>>From: "Roger D. Cravens, Jr." (by way of Leroy >>Crenshaw ) >>>Subject: piml] [JBS] Enemies of "World Order" >>> >>>ENEMIES OF "WORLD ORDER" >>> >>>Addressing a May 13th session of the Senate Appropriations Committee, >>>FBI Director Louis Freeh stated that the focus of the federal >>>government's domestic anti-terrorism efforts are "various individuals, >>>as well as organizations, some having an ideology which suspects >>>government, of world - order conspiracies - individuals who, for various >>>reasons, have organized themselves against the United States." Allowing >>>that action against such groups requires "some indication of criminal >>>activity." Freeh made it clear that the chief domestic "enemy" consists >>>of "individuals who espouse ideologies inconsistent with principles of >>>federal [sic] government" - in short, right-wing extremism. >>> >>>The May 13th Senate committee session also disclosed the existence of >>>the previously unknown Presdiential Decision Directive (PDD) 39, which, >>>according to Freeh, "sets out the responsibilities not only of the FBI, >>>but emphasizes most importantly [inter-agency] coordination, which is >>>required among all federal agencies to discharge the objectives of the >>>federal policy with respect to terrorism." Freeh noted that "there is >>>particular emphasis in that plan for coordination between the Department >>>of Defense and the Department of Justice" in matters of chemical, >>>biological, or nuclear terrorism, or threats to the infrastructure >>>(highways, power grids, etc.). >>> >>>Both PDD 39 and recently enacted federal anti-terrorism legislation have >>>led to significant amalgamation of federal law enforcement and >>>intelligence agencies. Freeh proudly referred to "coordination with our >>>other partners, and particularly our partners in the CIA. We have >>>exchanged deputies at a very high level between the FBI and the CIA in >>>the counter-terrorism areas....The deputy at the CIA's counter-terrorism >>>center has been and will be...an FBI agent. We have conducted joint >>>training with the CIA, conferencing, operational planning across the >>>board." >>> >>>In addition, Freeh explained that the FBI's new counter-terrorism >>>center "contains representatives of 16 other federal agencies and...is >>>dedicated for the first time to a central collection, analytical point, >>>in the federal government for threats, particularly those regarding >>>domestic terrorism." >>> >>>None of the senators expressed misgivings about the consolidation of >>>federal law enforcement, intelligence, and military functions, or about >>>the implications of directing those newly consolidated powers at a >>>domestic "enemy." >>> >>>Source: The New American >>> Insider Report, p.7 >>> June 23, 1997 >>> >>> >>>******************************************************************** >>>* Liberty is NEVER an option ... only a condition to be lost! * >>>* http://www.jbs.org * >>>******************************************************************** >>>* Roger Cravens, SYSOP * >>>* South East Signals Intelligence Group BBS: (770-) 942-1089 * >>>* Atlanta, GA * >>>******************************************************************** >>>* Signals Intelligence: "... and the truth will set you free"! * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Dolan Subject: Re: Fwd: FBI DIRECTOR DECLARES WAR ON THE CONSTITUTION -- Are You Awake Yet??? Date: 16 Jul 1997 07:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Just thought you might find it interesting that *thinking* people on a left-leaning list I read are beginning to worry too. -bd X, I find this to be onerous. I'm surprized that no one from your list has questioned the Government's right to "permit" the use of 128 bit keys. When did they take away the U.S. citizen's right to privacy and replace it with this? Will we also be required to escrow our private keys (ala Freeh's testimony), or will 128 bit keys not require one, whereas larger key sizes will? Has there been some Constitutional Amendment that I don't know about? Has the ACLU fallen asleep? Am I the only one who sees this as a direct subjugation of my right of privacy? If the Government thinks it can convince people that it has the right to limit your privacy, why can't it also decide who has these limited rights? When you couple this with the IP posting containing FBI Director Louis Freeh's testimony it scares the beejeebies out of me. Will we have a new era of Freehism that will pale the McCarthyism of the fifties? -Y ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Ode to the loss of small farms (fwd) Date: 16 Jul 1997 07:53:46 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- The Covenant Syndicate July 14, 1997, vol. 1, no. 29 (Back Issues posted at: http://capo.org/opeds/opeds.html) ********************* Usufruction by John Owen Butler (jbutler@sirinet.net) Flying over north Texas a month on a business trip to Colorado, I was struck by the beauty of the land below. Browned lines of the county roads etched their pattern-work through the fields of mellowed green. The multitudinous catch-pools (called "tanks" by west Texans) were brim-full, sparkling like a shattered mirror's shards, strewn to the horizon. Swards of beleafed trees crowded the dipping contours of the land. It was a scene waiting for accompaniment by one of Aaron Copeland's pieces. One thing missing, through, were the houses. Yes, there were dwellings dotting the area, but nowhere near as many as, say, sixty years ago. Then, many people made their living from the land, as small farmers, or by share-cropping, with horse- or mule-drawn implements and sweaty, back-breaking or numb-fingered, freezing work. Small cross-roads stores, white-framed churches and tiny schools helped landmark the communities of people bound together by the land and faith and love. "They had everything," a friend of essayist Wendell Berry remarked, "but money." Nowadays, the $200,000 monsters in John Deere Green rip the land, while their drivers in air-conditioned cabs are serenaded by Garth Brooks pumped through their CD players. More land can now be cultivated by one man than imaginable in the old days. The old lines of demarcation, defining this "place" and that, have been torn asunder and amalgamated into agribusiness production plants, bound not by a sense of stewardship of particular families which happened to be delineated by fences, but rather defined by what can best meet the bottom-line in the most expeditious manner in the most immediate period. Few of these blue-jeaned businessmen know, I fear, what it is to be a steward. The modern agribusinessman's love-hate relationship with his banker is more of a concern than his covenant with the land. I don't know of many who would want to return to the hard scrapping of the old ways of farming. Yet uniformly, these men and women of old knew their allotment, knew to care for it, knew to husband it. It was the landsman's prayerful hope of good return that drove this love, coupled with an awe of Whose the land was. This sense stemmed from the concept that what they were exercising, in the old description of it, was the concept of "usufruction." The Oxford English Dictionary says that it is "the right of temporary possession, use, or enjoyment of the advantages of prosperity belonging to another, so far as may be had without causing damage or prejudice to this." There are, though, those who are returning to simpler ways. These new agrarians are eschewing the fuel and fertilizer addiction which is the "jones" of American agriculture. Instead of the mono-culture of just wheat, or soybeans, or cotton, their fields are being replaced with a poly-culture, seeking to find a stacking of crops and animals to maximize profit and at the same time ensure that the land is being lovingly nurtured and improved. Which form will last in the long-run? I look for the day when my grand-children will fly the same route, and look down at the tight-quilted patterns of home and farm, field and wood, teeming with life, hope, and love in covenanted dominion of the land. ********************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Clinton White House-IRA-Oklahoma-Bomb?? Date: 16 Jul 1997 08:38:56 -0500 (CDT) This is really getting weird. We have the Clintons supporting the IRA and the IRA making part of the Bomb used in Oklahoma? Regards, Paul Watson, Dallas In article <33C8FF48.449C@globaldialog.com>, jqp@globaldialog.com writes: >.. SCANDAL AT STATE (CUT) > >ILLEGAL FUNDRAISING > > But the Inspector General soon found himself investigating >another scandal. Allegations of illegal fundraising by Rosemary >O'Neill at the Office of Human Rights and Humanitarian Affairs >surfaced. It appeared that she had used her position and State >Department letterhead to raise funds for nongovernmental causes. >She allegedly passed the money to various cronies of hers in the >liberal foundation world. > > Included among the recipients were "charities" active in the >peace process in Northern Ireland, leading some to suspect she >was funneling money to the IRA. The Inspector General's report, >issued in 1994, found that she had no "statutory or regulatory >authority" for her actions. > > The investigation became a sensitive political issue, >however, because Rosemary O'Neill was the daughter of the >powerful former Speaker of the House, Tip O'Neill. Soon it was >announced that the Inspector General, Sherman Funk, was leaving >his post and no more action was taken in the case. > > When State Department employee Tim Hunter discovered that no >action had been taken in the case since the departure of Sherman >Funk, he forwarded the IG report to Attorney General Janet Reno >in January 1995, using his authority as a commissioned officer to >seek investigation and indictment of those named in the report. > > "In response I was advised that the report and my submission >were not from credible sources," Tim Hunter told the Washington >Weekly last week. He would soon find himself in more trouble >after his attempted whistle-blowing > > >WHISTLE-BLOWER DENIED DUE PROCESS > > "Several weeks later I received a curt note saying that my >appointment in the State Department was being terminated--without >providing the customary 30 days notice," Hunter recalls. > > Mr. Hunter retained a lawyer and pointed out that his >termination would have to be reviewed through hearings. Instead, >armed guards showed up at his workplace and insisted that he >leave immediately. > > "When I reported for work on April 21, 1995 my supervisor >came to my desk and asked me to start cleaning out my desk. He >was trembling and flushed and was holding an empty box. He said >that two uniformed men from the State Department's Office of >Diplomatic Security Services had come to his office without any >warning and had told him that I was to be ordered to leave the >premises and that I was not to be allowed to return. He was shown >no papers or documentation to support this extraordinary >intervention, but the supervisor told me they were heavily >armed." (CUT) > >MORE FUNDRAISING FOR TERRORISTS > > No serious sanctions have followed the clear criminal >violations found by Inspector General Sherman Funk, and it >appears that the state of affairs continues. It was revealed last >week that the State Department has failed to designate a single >foreign group as a terrorist organization. > > Designation as a terrorist organization is a precondition to >barring foreign groups from raising funds in the U.S., so the >consequence of State Department inaction is that terrorists can >continue to raise funds in the U.S. That includes the IRA which >raises a large amount of funds in the U.S. > > "In light of the World Trade Center bombing and the >unexplained explosion of TWA 800, we are concerned that the >administration has not fully utilized the tool granted to it to >prevent such tragedies in the future," says a letter that several >House members, including Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry J. >Hyde, R-Ill., are preparing to send to send to Secretary of State >Madeleine Albright. > > In addition, there is the serious question of why the >terrorists who performed the World Trade Center bombing were let >into the country in the first place. "No one has been prosecuted >for letting the terrorists connected with the World Trade bombing >into the country..." says Tim Hunter. > > In light of the revelations about the State Department it is >relevant to ask: Whose side are they on? Do they side with the >American people or do they side with foreign terrorists? In light >of the complete absence of oversight of State Department actions, >immediate Congressional oversight hearings are in order. > > > > > Published in the Jul. 14, 1997 issue of The Washington Weekly > Copyright 1997 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) > Reposting permitted with this message intact ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subj: Paper: IRA Aided Okla. Bombing .c The Associated Press LONDON (AP) - The IRA supplied the detonator used in the bombing of the U.S. federal building in Oklahoma, The Sunday Telegraph reported, quoting documents filed by lawyers for chief suspect Timothy McVeigh. McVeigh goes on trial Monday in connection with the April 19, 1995, explosion that killed 168 people and wounded hundreds more. The bombing was the worst terrorist act on American soil and McVeigh, who is accused of murder and conspiracy, faces the death penalty if convicted. The Sunday Telegraph said defense documents submitted to U.S. District Court in Denver, where McVeigh will be tried, allege that a neo-Nazi cell had been conspiring to blow up a U.S. federal building in early 1995 and had received assistance from Sinn Fein, described as ``the Irish terrorist group.'' Sinn Fein is a legal political party allied with the outlawed Irish Republican Army, which has been fighting for more than 25 years to end British rule in Northern Ireland. Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams, speaking in Belfast, said claims that the IRA supplied the detonator were ``preposterous rubbish.'' The Sunday Telegraph, a respected conservative weekly, said the source of the allegations about Sinn Fein-IRA involvement in the Oklahoma bombing is Carol Howe, an American government informer. She alleges that the link with the IRA was Andreas Strassmeir, a former German army officer who became chief of paramilitary operations at an armed white separatist enclave in Elohim City, Okla., The Sunday Telegraph said. McVeigh's lawyers will argue that the neo-Nazi group at Elohim City which calls itself the Aryan Republican Army was responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing, the paper said. Ms. Howe, a white-separatist insider turned government informant who federal officials privately dismiss as unstable, was indicted on March 12 in Tulsa, Okla., on unrelated bomb-threat conspiracy charges. She claims she overheard Strassmeir and Dennis Mahon, a white supremacist, plot bombings of federal buildings while meeting at Elohim City. She told a free-lance writer she relayed the conversation to her federal handlers well before the Oklahoma City bombing. The paper cited several links between the IRA, which draws support from Roman Catholic parts of Northern Ireland, and the U.S. neo-Nazi movement. Mark Thomas, the intellectual mentor of the Aryan Republican Army, was quoted as telling the paper that he identified with the IRA's ``anti-colonial'' struggle. A recruitment tape made by a group of graduates from Elohim City makes continual references to the IRA, The Sunday Telegraph said. It said Mahon, a leader of the White Aryan Resistance and a friend of Strassmeir, also claimed to have given advice to the IRA to target ``top British officers and police officials'' but avoid civilians. According to The Sunday Telegraph, McVeigh's lawyer Stephen Jones has visited Northern Ireland and interviewed a member of the IRA, who was not identified, as well as officials from Britain's domestic intelligence service MI5 and counterterrorism experts. Jones has also been relying on British forensic scientists with detailed knowledge of IRA bombing techniques to help prepare his case, it said. A British explosives expert is expected to appear as a witness at McVeigh's trial, the paper said. AP-NY-03-30-97 1256EST Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without prior written authority of The Associated Press. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Oklahoma Grand Jury hears conspiracy theory Date: 16 Jul 1997 13:04:18 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- dallasnews.com [IMAGE] Grand jury hears conspiracy theory Lawmaker presents his Oklahoma City bombing findings 07/16/97 By Arnold Hamilton / The Dallas Morning News OKLAHOMA CITY - As prosecutors, defense attorneys and a judge met about Terry Nichols' trial, a state grand jury heard allegations Tuesday that others besides Mr. Nichols and Timothy McVeigh may have carried out the Oklahoma City bombing. State Rep. Charles Key, whose petition drive led to creating the grand jury, said he presented evidence that suggests Mr. McVeigh was not alone in the moments before the April 19, 1995, attack. Mr. Key, an Oklahoma City Republican, also said he developed information that indicates federal authorities may have known in advance of plans by anti-government factions to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. "All the truth has not been told about the Oklahoma City bombing," Mr. Key said after providing grand jurors with a list of 38 potential witnesses. "The witnesses are going to back up the fact that there were other people that helped Timothy McVeigh here in Oklahoma City." Federal prosecutors and investigators said they no longer believe others may have conspired with the two former Army buddies. Mr. McVeigh was convicted last month of conspiracy and murder and sentenced to death. Mr. Nichols' trial on similar charges is set to begin Sept. 29 in Denver federal court. Government agents also deny they knew in advance of a plot to blow up the Murrah Building. Indeed, one federal agent, Luke Franey of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, testified during Mr. McVeigh's trial of his harrowing escape from the top floor of the bombed-out federal building. In other developments in the Oklahoma City bombing case: * Mr. Key's testimony came just hours after he learned of the death of Glenn Wilburn, an Oklahoma City accountant who helped him spearhead the grand jury petition drive. Mr. Wilburn's two grandsons, Chase and Colton Smith, were killed in the Murrah building day-care center. Their deaths prompted Mr. Wilburn, 46, to undertake his own investigation of the bombing, an inquiry that convinced him that there was conspiracy and that ATF agents were warned to avoid the nine-story federal office tower that day. Mr. Wilburn's widow, Kathy, said Tuesday that her husband believed he was losing his prolonged battle with pancreatic cancer because of the stress of his grandsons' deaths and his investigation into the bombing. "He was definitely another victim of the bombing," she said. Mr. Wilburn's funeral will be 10 a.m. Thursday at Citychurch, only five blocks north of the bomb site. Mrs. Wilburn said the service will focus on what her husband learned in his investigation. And she said the funeral procession will circle around the Murrah site. A native of Olustee, Okla., Mr. Wilburn attended Southwestern Oklahoma State University at Weatherford before establishing an accounting practice in Oklahoma City. In addition to his wife, Mr. Wilburn is survived by two sons and a stepdaughter, Edye Smith, the mother of the two boys killed in the blast. * Lawyers for Mr. Nichols and government prosecutors met briefly, behind closed doors, in Denver with U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch about the summonses and preliminary questionnaires that will be mailed Monday to 1,000 prospective jurors. The jury will be selected from the same 23 counties in and around Denver that was used in Mr. McVeigh's trial. * Prosecutors formally opposed a request by Mr. Nichols' lawyers that a photographer be permitted to chronicle Mr. Nichols' visits with his wife and children at the Federal Correctional Institution in suburban Denver where he is being held. "One of the most important characteristics of Terry Nichols, the human being, is his love for his family, his wife Marife and his three children, Josh, Nicole and Christian," Mr. Nichols' co-counsel Reid Neureiter wrote in a brief seeking court authorization for the photo sessions. Mr. Neureiter said the photographs could be used to "give the jury a full picture of Terry Nichols, the human being." But Special Assistant U.S. Attorney James Orenstein argued that Mr. Nichols should not be allowed to "stage family scenes now simply to impress the jury at the penalty phase." "Prior to his arrest, Nichols had every opportunity to take family photos and home movies depicting his relationship with members of his family," Mr. Orenstein wrote. "Nichols has not revealed whether any such photographs or movies exist. If they do exist, they should suffice ... to show that Nichols is indeed a loving husband and father." Mr. Neureiter noted in his motion that Mr. Nichols' son, Christian, wasn't even born when his father was arrested as a material witness in the bombing case, just two days after the blast. * A federal appeals court upheld Judge Matsch's decision to seal from public view key court documents in the case against Mr. McVeigh and Mr. Nichols. The Dallas Morning News and other news media had challenged the judge's action, saying it violated the public's right to know fully about the legal proceeding. A three-judge panel from the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver said it had reviewed the still-secret documents and concluded that "the district court properly sealed only those portions of the documents" necessary to ensure both men a fair trial. "It is important to bear in mind the extraordinary context of this case as a whole," the judges wrote. "A high-profile case such as this imposes unique demands on the trial court." Specifically, news organizations sought complete access to Mr. Nichols' motion to suppress evidence, notes compiled by an FBI agent during a 9-hour interview with Mr. Nichols before his arrest and motions by both Mr. McVeigh and Mr. Nichols for separate trials. Judge Matsch allowed edited copies of the documents to be released for public view, and indicated all may be released in their entirety after Mr. Nichols' trial. Media lawyers said the judge's action went far beyond ensuring fair trials. Paul Watler, attorney for The News, said the newspaper will decide soon whether to appeal. He said The News could decide to press the case to the U.S. Supreme Court. The Associated Press contributed to this report. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: FORWARD TRACKING, GUNSHIPS, & HIGHWAY ROADBLOCKS (fwd) Date: 16 Jul 1997 16:03:56 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Cc: Joel.Burton@primenet.com Posted to texas-gun-owners by Joe Horn >S.A.F.A.N. ALERT, June 25, 1997 >I-75 - RUSSIA OR AMERIKA? > >by Joel Burton (SBurton3@aol.com) > but I was concerned, regarding Constitutional issues, Posse >Commitatus issues as well as wondering if a family is stopped and one >of them has prescription meds in vehicle without proper documentation. >Will these tyrants arrest families and confiscate vehicles?? They can if they want to. Without recourse against them. They do not have to be experts in drugs, that's for the courts to sort out. If they are looking for property to ex-propriate and seizures and arrests for statistical display to management that particular day, you and your family and car are toast. >THIS IS AN ALERT!!! REPORT all such sightings to the Internet. Why? What is the internet going to do, gain credibility overnight? >It is a daily occurrence!!! No kidding, I've been talking about it for years, since it began. >Where are the patriots? There aren't any patriots, just sheep who comply from fear like Mr. Burton did. None of this is news or has been news for at least over 5 years. We've been dealing with the same roadblocks and attempts at illegal search here in Border regions of the West Texas and New Mexico area for at least 5 years. Hell, every time I have driven to New Orleans in the past five years, as soon as I've entered Louisiana, I have passed thru numerous road blocks and road block warning signs. (The warning signs send nervous types off at the next exit where the REAL ROADBLOCK is waiting for them.) Respectfully, Mr. Burton's concern about violation of Posse Comitatus is based on a lack of information, and perhaps, legend. The 1878 law simply prevents troops from being used with domestic LE, but does not exclude the use of military equipment. I have written many times about these excesses, quoting statute and describing police excess in the name of the War on Drugs, trying to inform the citizenry that it's really a war on them and their liberties, the pitiful few that remain. Moving right along to the Reagan/Bush era, the 1878 Posse Comitatus act (it is NOT part of the Constitution, as so many erroneously believe) was circumvented by Titles 10, 26 and 32, enacted between 1981 and 1989, all of which were used by JTF6 (Enabled itself by Title 10)and the Federal Government to legally place regular and National Guard forces along the US Border in "training", domestic espionage and drug interdiction efforts. Those same US Codes enabled what JTF6 did at Waco, as well as the 18 year old goatherd who was murdered by U.S. Marine anti-drug warriors in Redford, Texas last may. The Marine's response was that the Force Recon Fire Team used the Rules of Engagement to justify the killing. I have yet to hear any of the sheep ask since when the US Military may apply the "Rules of Engagement" (Combat rules) against US Citizens in the United States Zone of the Interior. I used to think not, but apparently, they may. Patriots, indeed. Sheep, indeed. Reagan and Bush, stewards of the US Constitution. Yeah, sure. There is no party but the incumbent party aggrandizing its power and control. There is no substantive difference any longer between the parties, so quit looking for one. One other thing: These excesses are like a genie or an addictive drug. It's gonna be a lot harder to get this government to kick the habit of abuse of police powers, or to stuff the roadblock, war on drugs, and excessive police powers abuse genie back into the bottle. Where were we? These laws were passed on OUR watch! Our reps passed them, it's OUR fault.....isn't it? Who else do we blame? This War on drugs is a combinant purge and witch hunt, the product of which is to rapidly grow a huge federal police establishment to maintain the police state gradually being erected around the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Joe Horn "Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne as Sgt Stryker, "Sands of Iwo Jima" "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. For when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." --Nietzsche -- For help with Majordomo commands, send a message to majordomo@zilker.net with the word help in the message body. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: Kennedy gets $million bribe from Lippo Chinese on sale of house Date: 16 Jul 1997 20:51:15 -0500 (CDT) At 01:59 PM 7/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Is Hotung the guy who bought Kennedy's Mclean house >and paid a million or so above the asking price? KENNEDY FAMILY SELLS VIRGINIA HOME TO ERIC HOTUNG ====================================================================== For Immediate Release February 5, 1997 Senator Edward M. Kennedy and his wife Vicki said today that they have sold their home in McLean, Virginia to Eric Hotung, a member of the Hotung family of Hong Kong. The contract for the sale was completed today. Senator Kennedy and his wife Vicki announced on January 16 that they planned to sell their Virginia home and move into the District of Columbia, in order to be closer to the school attended by their children, Curran, 14, and Caroline, 11. The Kennedys said they have not yet found a home in the District, but expect to do so soon. The Kennedy home in McLean is an 11,000 square foot residence on six and a half acres overlooking the Potomac River, and was initially offered for sale at a price of $4.975 million. The Kennedys' primary residence is in Hyannis Port, Massachusetts. "I'm pleased that we were able to sell the McLean home so quickly," said Senator Kennedy. "We're all looking forward to the move. The children will be closer to their school, Vicki will be closer to her office, and I'll be closer to the Senate." > >---------- >From: jqp@globaldialog.com[SMTP:jqp@globaldialog.com] >Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 9:55 AM >To: cas@majordomo.pobox.com >Cc: cayenne@nyct.net; DENNIS WAGNER >Subject: Records: Lippo Wired Money for DNC > >Records: Lippo Wired Money for DNC > >By LARRY MARGASAK Associated Press Writer > >Mr. and Mrs. Eric Hotung of Hong Kong ``will be >contributing $100,000 to the DNC,'' party official >David Mercer said in the memo on Sept. 14, 1995. >``We will be helping to set up a meeting with the >Hotungs at the National Security Council, hopefully >with Sandy Berger,'' the memo said. Berger was >deputy to the head of the council. > >It was not clear whether the meeting took place. >Eric Hotung is a British citizen, identified in >the memo as chairman of a Hong Kong development >company and an institute that tries to promote >better understanding of U.S.-China relations. His >wife, Patricia, is a U.S. citizen. > >``The documents set forth pretty clear evidence >that a foreign citizen, I think through his wife, >offered to make a $100,000 contribution in exchange >for assistance arranging a meeting with a top official, >'' said Sen. Fred Thompson, the committee chairman. > ========================================================================== Scott Angell asked: >>Is Hotung the guy who bought Kennedy's Mclean house >>and paid a million or so above the asking price? In fact, the Hotungs paid $6 million for the Kennedy's McLean house, although the asking price was $4.975 million. >>Records: Lippo Wired Money for DNC >> >>By LARRY MARGASAK Associated Press Writer >>Mr. and Mrs. Eric Hotung of Hong Kong ``will be >>contributing $100,000 to the DNC,'' party official >>David Mercer said in the memo on Sept. 14, 1995. HOTUNG, PATRICIA ANN 10/13/95 $79,980.00 GREENWICH, CT 06831 - -[[Receipt--exempt from limits]] DNC NON-FEDERAL UNINCORPORATED ASSOCIATION ACCOUNT HOTUNG, PATRICIA ANN 10/12/95 $20,000.00 GREENWICH, CT 06831 - -[Contribution] DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE >>``We will be helping to set up a meeting with the >>Hotungs at the National Security Council, hopefully >>with Sandy Berger,'' the memo said. Berger was >>deputy to the head of the council. >> >>It was not clear whether the meeting took place. >>Eric Hotung is a British citizen, identified in >>the memo as chairman of a Hong Kong development >>company and an institute that tries to promote >>better understanding of U.S.-China relations. His >>wife, Patricia, is a U.S. citizen. >> >>``The documents set forth pretty clear evidence >>that a foreign citizen, I think through his wife, >>offered to make a $100,000 contribution in exchange >>for assistance arranging a meeting with a top official, >>'' said Sen. Fred Thompson, the committee chairman. >> ScottAngell@tcia.net (Hughes Angell) wrote: >Is Hotung the guy who bought Kennedy's Mclean house >and paid a million or so above the asking price? Here's a little more. I guess the common factors between Tamraz and Hotung are that both of them (1) have ties to Edward Kennedy; (2) attended the April 1, 1996, White House coffee; and (3) sought an audience with the National Security Council. Julie Financier's connections to Kennedy come to light: Tamraz raised funds, hired senator's wife Kranish, Michael Boston Globe 21 Mar 1997 "Tamraz first met [Edward] Kennedy at a fund-raiser at the senator's home in October 1995, Manley said. Tamraz later asked to meet privately with the senator to discuss the oil pipeline deal. Kennedy then met with Tamraz on Dec. 7, 1995. Later, when the favorable CIA document was delivered to the White House, Tamraz saw the president at an April 1, 1996, coffee. Attending the same coffee was Eric Hotung, a Hong Kong businessman who recently purchased Kennedy's Virginia estate for $6 million - $1 million more than the asking price." ======================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: I) TWA 800 Missile Theory - One Year Later (fwd) Date: 17 Jul 1997 12:40:13 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________ (free to copy nonprofit with attribute) ------------------------------------- -- J U L Y 1 7, 1 9 9 7 -- T W A 8 0 0 M I S S I L E T H E O R Y - S T R O N G E R T H A N E V E R - (c) 1997 Ian Williams Goddard One year after the pulverized remains of TWA Flight 800 plunged into the sea, it's clearer than ever that the passengers on board were victims of a missile strike. While most of the 154 missile-witness accounts taken by the FBI remain covered up, a few accounts are available to the public, such as the accounts of 5 pilots who were flying in the area when TWA 800 was suddenly annihilated: FIVE PILOTS - FIVE MISSILE WITNESSES PILOT 1: Colonel William Stratemeier, Jr. AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY reported that Air National Guard C-130 pilot Colonel Stratemeier "said he had seen what appeared to be the trail of a shoulder-fired SAM ending in a flash on the 747." [1] However, in the next issue of AVIATION WEEK Stratemeier re- cants, saying: "We did not see smoke trails [from a missile], any ignition source from the tail of a rocket nor anything..." [2] Col. Stratemeier recanted and therefore was not hit with an FBI gag order, but the next two ANG pilots did not recant their accounts and therefore were hit with FBI gag orders. PILOT 2: Captain Chris Baur AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY reports that right after the TWA 800 accident, ANG HH-60 helicopter co-pilot Captain Baur told federal officials: "Almost due south, there was a hard white light, like burning pyrotech- nics, in level flight. I was trying to figure out what it was. It was the wrong color for flares. It struck an object coming from the right [TWA 800] and made it explode." [3] PILOT 3: Major Frederick Meyer At a press conference the day after the TWA 800 accident, ANG HH-60 helicopter pilot Major Meyer said: "I saw something that looked to me like a shooting star. Now you normally don't see a shooting star when the sun is up. It was still bright... Almost immediately thereafter, I saw, in rapid succession, a small explosion then a large explosion." [4] Meyer said that the initial explosion "looked identical to the detonation of an antiaircraft shell."[3] PILOT 4: Vasilis Bakounis Olympic Airlines pilot and TWA 800 witness Vasilis Bakounis told the Greek publication ELEFTHEROTYPIA [5] that as he was heading toward Gabreski Airport on July 17, 1996, "Suddenly I saw in the fog to my left toward the ocean, a small flame rising quickly to- ward the sky. Before I realized it, I saw this flame become huge. My first thought was that it was a flare that had been launched from some boat... This flame then started to quickly lose altitude and a few seconds later there was... a second explosion." PILOT 5: Sven Faret Flying at 8,500 feet moments before the cataclysmic explosion of TWA 800, private pilot Sven Faret reported that a "short pin-flash of light appeared on the ground, perhaps water." [6] When asked if the flash of light rose upwards vertically from the earth, Sven confirmed that it did, stating that it was "like a rocket launch at a fireworks display" with a point-of-origin "near the shoreline or in the water." [7] All 5 pilots witnessed a rapidly moving luminous and fiery object that was: 1. like a surface-to-air missile 2. like burning pyrotechnics 3. like a meteor yet not like a meteor 4. like a small flame rising quickly 5. like a rocket at a fireworks display All 5 accounts indicate that this rapidly moving fiery object hit TWA 800 initiating the explosions that killed all on board. At least 2 of the pilots saw the object early enough in its trajectory to have seen it rise upwards from the Earth. The accounts of the pilots in the air are corroborated by over 100 witnesses on the ground who also saw a fiery object shoot upwards and intercept TWA 800. Some of them said that the fiery object was: * like a flare * like a thin white line * like Grucci fireworks * like a skyrocket Most witnesses, such as Naneen Levine on CNN [8], report that the fiery object followed a curving trajectory as it shot upwards toward TWA 800. There is simply no phenomena other than the firing of a missile that can explain all the details reported by the witnesses who saw that luminous object streak toward TWA 800. When we also consider that TWA 800 wreck- age shows the signs of missile damage,[9] the real question is not was it a missile that hit TWA 800, but whose missile was it. ___________________________________________ END OF PART I FULL REPORT: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/1year.htm ******************************************************************* Visit Ian Williams Goddard ------> http://www.erols.com/igoddard ___________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: II) TWA 800 Missile Theory - One Year Later (fwd) Date: 17 Jul 1997 12:40:20 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- http://www.erols.com/igoddard/1year.htm _____________________________________ (free to copy nonprofit with attribute) ------------------------------------- PART II T W A 8 0 0 M I S S I L E T H E O R Y - S T R O N G E R T H A N E V E R - (c) 1997 Ian Williams Goddard continuing from part I TERRORISTS OR THE U.S. NAVY? While the number of "terrorist-missile theories" is greater than zero, the number of terrorists known to be in the area during the crash is zero. Military experts have shown that the probability that terrorists could even deploy the military hardware necessary to destroy TWA 800 with a missile is near zero. In sum, the terrorist-missile theory offers us a whole lot of nothing. In contrast to the terrorist-missile theory, the U.S. Navy (a) could deploy the military hardware necessary to take out TWA 800, (b) did deploy assets to the area that were both below and above TWA 800 when it was hit, and (c) did activate warning zones near TWA 800 for military exercises and live-firings. TWA 800 even changed course to avoid an active naval-warning zone moments before it was hit. Unlike the terrorist theory, the Navy-missile theory is overflowing over with evidence. THE NAVY SHUFFLE It is common for the guilty to try to deny the facts that place them at the scene of the crime or accident. The U.S. military tried to deny the fact that it was at the scene of the TWA 800 accident. On July 23, 1996, Department of Defense spokesman Kenneth Bacon told the press: I'm not aware [that] there were any military exercises in the area. I've been told by the Joint [Chiefs of] Staff that there were not. [10] Yet after eight months of such denials, the Navy finally admitted that naval exercises were taking place off Long Island at the time of the TWA 800 accident. [11] The Navy also admitted that they had three submarines off Long Island in the ocean below TWA 800. [11] We know that there were at least 8 military assets in the area of the TWA 800 accident: 1. NAVY: The ALBUQUERQUE, attack sub 2. NAVY: The TREPANG, attack sub 3. NAVY: The WYOMING, ICBM sub 4. NAVY: P-3 Orion aircraft 5. NAVY: The NORMANDY, missile cruiser 6. USCG: The ADAK, CG patrol boat 7. NYANG: HC-130 aircraft 8. NYANG: HH-60 helicopter Every asset except the Adak has either (a) been denied to exist or (b) had its reported location at the time of the TWA 800 accident changed by the military. For example, while shuffling around crash-time locations for months, the military placed 4 of its assets in 11 locations: The Navy-missile-cruiser Normandy was: 1. 180 miles away [12] 2. 185 miles away [13] 3. over 200 miles away [11] The Navy P-3 Orion aircraft was: 1. 15 miles to the south [14] 2. about 1 mile southwest [15] 3. 3,700 feet below TWA 800 [16] 4. 7,000 feet above TWA 800 [15] The ANG C-130 aircraft was: 1. 10 miles offshore [17] 2. flying along the coast [18] The ANG HH-60 helicopter was: 1. 10 miles offshore at 3,000 feet doing search and rescue practice.[1] 2. 3 miles inland at 100 feet doing practice landings. [19] Are we to believe that with as many as nine military radar systems blanketing the area [20] it would take months for the military to figure out where it was? The pattern of location shifting has been to move military assets further away from the accident than initially reported or further than was eventually discovered, as in the case of the P-3, which radar tapes proved was more than 10X closer to TWA 800 than once claimed. If the denial of proximity to the crime scene is evidence of criminal culpability, then, since multiple instances of military proximity to TWA 800 have been denied by the military, the evidence that the mili- tary is culpable in the downing of TWA 800 is significant. The fact that not only assets but military exercises were denied, makes this evidence compelling. CONNECTING THE DOTS TWA 800 researcher Tom Shoemaker recently discovered documents showing that both the New York Air National Guard and the Navy were engaged in a large-scale exercise called "Global Yankee '96" taking place off shore between July 16 and 26, 1996.[20] Shoemaker's findings confirm the claim of TWA 800 researcher James Sanders that the Navy and the ANG were working together at the time of the accident. [21] While the fact that ANG pilots reported what they saw would seem to contradict the possibility of their culpability, it is clear that the ANG is not being forth- right about the locations of ANG assets at crash time.[18,URL] It should also be noted that ANG co-pilot Baur never said what he saw when he had the chance to at a press conference after the crash; that Major Meyer suggested first and foremost that TWA 800 was hit by a meteorite; and that Stratemeier suggested it was hit by a terrorist-style missile, then suddenly claimed he saw nothing. If the Navy and/ or the ANG are guilty, then the ANG pilot responses would be predictable misleads. One year after the fiery demise of TWA 800, the Navy-missile theory not only remains superior to all other TWA 800 theories, but is stronger than ever. ******************************************************************* Visit Ian Williams Goddard ------> http://www.erols.com/igoddard ___________________________________________________________________ [1] AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY: Terrorist Fears Deepen With 747's Destruction. E.Phillips, P.Mann (7/22/96) p.20. [2] AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY: ANG Eyewitnesses Reject Missile Theory. David Fulghum, July 29, 1996, page 32. [3] AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY: ANG Pilot: Jet Hit by Object. By David Fulghum, March 10, 1997. [4] New York Air National Guard, 106th Rescue Wing press conference, July 18, 1996. [5] ELEFTHEROTYPIA. Greece, August 23, 1996. Article by Aris Hatzigeorgiou. http://www.enet.gr [6] Report of TWA 800 witness Sven Faret: [7] http://www.erols.com/igoddard/sven.htm http://www.webexpert.net/rosedale/twacasefile/aviator.html [8] CNN: TWA 800 witness Naneen Levine illustrates missile trajectory: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/levine.htm [9] Debris: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/crash.htm [10] Department of Defense press conference, July 23, 1996: http://www.dtic.mil/defenselink/news/Jul96/t072396_t0723asd.html [11] NEWSDAY: TWA Probe: Submarines Off LI. By R.E. Kessler, 03/22/97. http://www.newsday.com/jet/cras0322.htm [12] ASSOCIATED PRESS: Missile Attack a Favorite of Conspiracy Theorists. 09/03/96. [13] ASSOCIATED PRESS: Document Says Navy Hit TWA Plane. By Jocelyn Noveck, 11/08/96. [14] NEWSDAY: The Story So Far. By Craig Gordon, Lima Pleven, 08/20/96. http://www.newsday.com/jet/jemyst20.htm [15] ASSOCIATED PRESS: FBI Says Mystery Blip on Radar Tape is Unarmed Navy Reconnaissance Plane. 03/21/97. [16] THE NEW AMERICAN: What Really Happened to TWA 800? By W. Jasper, 10/14/96. http://www.jbs.org/vo12no21.htm#TWA800 [17] NYANG says that the C-130 was in the area JAWS: http://www.infoshop.com/106rescue/html/twa800-pres/sld002.html NYANG rep. James Finkle says JAWS is 10 miles offshore: http://www.webexpert.net/rosedale/twacasefile/jolly14.html [18] NYANG rep. James Finkle says the C-130 was not in JAWS: http://www.webexpert.net/rosedale/twacasefile/jolly14.html [19] In [1] the HH-60 is reported to have been offshore with the C-130, which the ANG says was in JAWS ten miles offshore, but then suddenly the HH-60 was moved over Gabreski Airport: http://www.webexpert.net/rosedale/twacasefile/jolly14.html I called AVIATION WEEK and was told that it was an NYANG representative who told them that the HH-60 was offshore. I was told that the NYANG rep. read the off shore 3,000 ft altitude location straight from Major Meyer's report. [20] http://www.webexpert.net/rosedale/twacasefile/newsfour.html Visit these pages and copy their contents: http://www.ang.af.mil/angrc-xo/xoom/aargy96.htm http://www.ang.af.mil/angrc-xo/glbynk/partcpnt.htm http://www.rl.af.mil/Lab/C3/current-events/gy_rap1.jpg [21] The Downing of TWA Flight 800. By James Sanders, 1997. ******************************************************************* Visit Ian Williams Goddard ------> http://www.erols.com/igoddard ___________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: L&J: The 25 Acts (fwd) Date: 18 Jul 1997 08:56:15 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- THE 25 ACTS The Voice of a Reformer, Gene Crocker, Ph.D., radman5@wolnet.com "The freedom we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom gone, your courage lost, you're no more then a slave..." Anon, A Visitor From the Past This article lists 24 acts of exploitation experienced by the US government and the American people at the hands of Communist China. They are all matters of public record. This series of communist coups has been achieved by presidential and congressional finance campaign contributions, the lobbying efforts of US multinational corporations for China and the work of some senior US politicians who are "Friends of Communist China". The 25th act of exploitation is being proven in the current US Senate hearings. 1. Clinton has "relaxed" the controls on the sale of restricted military technology to Communist China; 67 supercomputers (used in nuclear weapon research and missile target weather prediction), Global Positioning Systems designed to guide cruise and ballistic missiles, and gallium arsenide (radiation resistant) computer chips are among the list of military items sold to Communist China.. The US taxpayer continues to pay millions and millions of dollars each year for research and development in these areas (see 1992 thru 1998 Defense Budgets) to Silicon Graphics, Hewlett Packard, Sun Microsystems, IBM, and others, which are the same companies that are selling the supercomputers and other restricted technology to Communist China. In effect, the US taxpayer is subsidizing the research and development of the Chinese War Machine. 2. Clinton's administration has allowed the Communist Chinese to take tactical control of the strategic Panama Canal thru bribery of Panama officials by Holdings Ltd. The US treaty with Panama allows the US to keep troops in Panama for the defense of the Canal. Clinton has announced that all American troops will be gone from the Canal Zone by January 1998. Holdings Ltd. is owned by the same man Li Fa Saing who is said to have hand picked Chee Tung Hua as the new Communist Chinese Governor of Hong Kong. 3. President Clinton has actively promoted the lease of the former Long Beach Naval Base in California by the China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO). COSCO is the maritime arm of the Chinese Communist Navy whose Elint (electronic intelligence gathering) Trawler Fleet flies the COSCO flag. The US taxpayer is paying for and will lose an estimated $200 million on this one deal. COSCO has already been involved in the shipping of automatic arms to street gangs in the US and is alleged to be involved in the smuggling of heroin from China. When they choose, they can conduct intelligence operations, import weapons and drugs to the United States to further social unrest, and/or import biological or nuclear weapons unhindered and uninspected by American authorities. COSCO has concluded a similiar deal with the Port of Charleston, South Carolina. 4. Communist China is financing and building Da Zhong Hua, "Magnificent China" in Adelanto California. This is a $60 million dollar communist chinese trade complex that will bring in over 1000 communist chinese families to manage the complex.. The Communists will use the "Foreign (free)Trade Zone" at the adjacent Southern California International Airport to distribute whatever they choose by air and truck to the US and the rest of North and South America. 5. Clinyon and Congress have "delinked" trade with human rights in US foreign policy. An estimated 8.5 million men, women and children are in the Chinese Communist slave labor factory gulags run by the PLA. 6. Wall Street Firms have sold an estimated $6.7 Billion Dollars of Chinese Communist Bonds to American investors (Goldman Sachs, Lehrman Bros., CitiBank, Stephens Co. and others) Financiers like Richard Blum (Sen. Finestein's husband) and Jim Stephens are investing billions in mainland China. 7. Clinton gave Communist China MFN trade status from 1993 to 1998, with congressional approval. MFN trade status was worth $40 billion to Communist China in 1996 and will net Communist China a projected trade surplus of $50 billion dollars in 1997. This money is being used to modernized the Peoples Liberation Army and to build its PLA owned, dual use (military/consumer) factories. 8. US manufacturers are financing and building dual use, high tech factories in Communist China, Boeing, GM, GE, IBM, United Technologies, Rockwell etc with the subsequent reduction in US manufacturing capabilities and the loss of high tech jobs in the downsizing of US workers. 9. US Agencies are making loans and loan guarantees (US Export/Import Bank etc.) such as the $900 million for power plant construction in mainland Communist China to James Riady or the $138 million to build COSCO 6 ships. 10. Forty to fifty thousand chinese communist students and researchers, are studying the latest advances in technology and science each year at US universities and research laboratories. 11. An estimated 1000 business fronts for chinese communist spies in the United States. The Wall Street Journal stated that 450 of them are being investigated by the FBI for economic, technology and military espionage. 12. The lobbying of Congress by unregistered agents of the Chinese Communists who are senior politicians and who earn millions of dollars for their efforts; Kissinger Associates. Scrowcroft Associates, Worldwide (Haig), etc. 13. Clinton has instituted a policy of buying from Communist China millions and millions of dollars of shoddy military goods for the US Armed Services. These goods are reported to wear out or fall apart after a few days of use. 14. The purchase by the Chinese Communist People's Liberation Army of US military high tech goods that are new, in excellent working order, and that have cost the US taxpayer billions, which the Chinese Communists buy for pennies on the dollar as "surplus". This military equipment, including titanium missile shells, radar units, and computers, is then shipped to Communist China as "scrap". COSCO has become the worlds leading shipper of US "surplus" military equipment. 15. "advance knowledge of America's negotiating positions in trade and economic talks as well as access to trade deals subsidized by America." Huang, and possibly Meissner (deceased)and others in US Commerce Dept. 16. No sanctions or restrictions given to Communist China by the US when Red China violates international treaties or agreements by selling missiles and chemical weapons to Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and other countries. 17. Communist China continues to violate US patent and copyright laws to the tune of billions of dollar each year that are lost to American companies and inventors but Red China has never received any thing but polite slaps on the wrist from the US State Department. 18. Communist China will not permit inspection of the gulag factories that use slave labor, in spite of an agreement with the US to do so. 19. US multinational corporations have spent multimillions of dollars in campaign contributions and congressional lobbying efforts to keep, change or make laws favorable to Red China. 20. Rescinding of the Tinanamen Square Trade Sanctions against China. 21. An end to the 30 year trade embargo with Viet Nam. 22. De-emphasis of the MIA/POW problems with Viet Nam. 23. Normalization of diplomatic relations with Viet Nam. 24. US big businesses are investing and building factories in Viet Nam; Nike, Anhauser Busch (Sen. Caine's wife's family) etc. 25. The re-election of Clinton and a "Communist China friendly" US Congress. I have read that the World Bank predicts by the year 2010, that Communist China, the country with the ongoing, worst, human rights record in the history of man, will be the world dominate economic power. Japan or Germany, which protect their industrial base, are predicted to have stronger economies than the US at that time. The United States is going from first to fourth. The President and the majority of the members of the Congress of the United States appear to be doing all they can to make this prediction come true. No copyright. Please distribute so that others can be made aware. I have multiple media documentation for all of the above, except for item 25, which is my conclusion. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Unsub info - send e-mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com, with "unsubscribe liberty-and-justice" in the body (not the subject) Liberty-and-Justice list-owner is Mike Goldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Car Homicides vs. Gun Homicides Date: 18 Jul 1997 08:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Los Angeles Times [FRONT PAGE] Friday, July 18, 1997 HEADLINE: 'Road Rage' Tied to More Traffic Deaths "... National Highway Traffic Safety Administration officials estimated that two-thirds of the 42,000 highway deaths last year were related to aggressive driving, which appears to have joined drunk driving as a perilous trait of American culture." COMMENT: Let's see. 2/3 of 42,000 = 28,000. "A study by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety that sought to quantify road rage looked at 10,000 aggressive driving accidents reported around the nation since 1990. The study indicated that in 35% of the cases, a vehicle was used directly as a weapon." COMMENT: "Weapon?" Hmm. Were "junk cars" the "weapon of choice?" "Men between the ages of 18 and 26 were the drivers most likely to be involved in aggressive driving accidents, the study indicated." COMMENT: Clearly, public health officials should place testosterone at the top of their list as a health hazard. Must be studied, evaluated, and then appropriately regulated. "According to the federal researchers, two-thirds of traffic fatalities last year involved behavior related to aggressive driving." COMMENT: "Behavior"? Hell, target the damn cars! Behavior is too complicated; behavior is a function of poverty, upbringing, and other circumstances beyond an individual's control. "Overall, federal officials said, traffic accidents cost the nation $150 billion a year." COMMENT: Whew! Reason enough to pass more "reasonable" CAR CONTROL laws. We don't wan't to confiscate everyone's cars. We just want to get certain categories of cars off the streets, and out of the wrong hands. We need to take the first steps ... if only for the children. "Driver anger is clearly aggravated by increased traffic congestion .... " COMMENT: Obviously! The "dangerous proliferation" of cars in our society must be addressed. "A nationwide cellular phone number is being established for motorists to use to report aggressive drivers." COMMENT: Big mistake. An 800-WE-SNITCH strategy is too late; the cows are already out of the proverbial barn. Target the cars! Target ... the ... cars! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "E. J. Totty" Subject: Re: I) TWA 800 Missile Theory - One Year Later (fwd) Date: 18 Jul 1997 10:25:52 -0700 Paul, I read with interest the story you posted. It's interesting, in that I sent a letter to the reporter of a local newspaper (Seattle Post-Intelligencer) expressing my reservations about the government's reason for the explosion. See below. To. jameswallace@seatimes-pi.com James, I read your article which appeared in the Thursday, July 17, 1997 issue of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. First, let me state that I work in the aircraft industry. I am not going to name my employer, in order to keep the perspective on what I have to say on an even keel, I don't want to bias your opinion one way or another. I am going to simply relate some facts to you, all of which you should verify for yourself, by contacting the several profession entities in the various fields that will have more information than I can relate here. Those fields are chemical (fuels), fire safety (fire department), and aircraft vendor (whatever manufacturer). Having read the suggested scenario as proposed by the NTSB, FBI, and whatever other official organ has spoken on the matter, I can only say with more certainty than I can express here, that somebody is seriously misleading the public. Knowing what I know about the 747 airplane, and how it is manufactured, the construction of it airframe, and the various safety systems designed into it, the explosion that occurred was not related to any of the properly configured and untampered components. And even if there were a malfunctioning systems involving the fuel quantity or fuel movement system, the static conditions (which I will discuss) of the atmosphere within the fuel tanks would have precluded an explosion, by any of those components. First let us discuss a fuel tank on a 747 airplane. It is essentially a container with three ports, all of them being tubes of various sizes, one for fueling, one for removing fuel (usage or dumping) and one for venting. I am only interested here in the last item: the vent. But before I continue, let me just say that all of the component tubing (not part of structure) is 'bonded' to each connecting tube or fitting and to structure. This 'bonding' is a wire jumper that is principally used to eliminate any static electrical charge that might build as a result of fuel movement. Since there are multiple jumpers used throughout the fueling system, a loss of any one or more - by whatever agency of cause, would not affect the safety of the system. Suffice it is to say, that when fuel moves through a tube or hose, it produces a static charge on that tube or hose. That is the reason for the bonding. The charge is neutralized. The vent system is composed of both tubing and channels that are formed as part of the structure of the wings. Now, remember that the tanks have only one way to vent, and as fuel is removed, air from outside the airplane flows into those vents, to equalize the pressure. On the ground, the air in the tank is at atmospheric pressure - whatever the barometric is. With the plane in the air, the pressure is slightly above the ambient pressure at whatever the altitude the plane is at. This is caused by an air scoop that is at the bottom of the wing surface, at the outer expanse. This scoop provides a slight positive pressure to help in the movement of fuel. If the tank is empty, it essentially serves no purpose. Now consider FLT 800 sitting on the tarmac, in the hot summer sun. I can tell you from first hand experience, that a wing can get real hot just by sitting in the sun. Imagine touching the hot roof of an automobile that has been in the sun for just an hour. Wing upper surfaces are no different. Granted, the centerwing tank is covered by the tube of the plane, and is shielded somewhat by the wing-to-body fairings. So it is essentially a covered structure. But, it is made of aluminum, and it conducts heat readily from the adjacent left and right wings to which it is directly attached. Also consider, that the centerwing tank is not insulated, so whatever heat it collects, it also very readily radiates. Back when I used to drive a gasoline powered vehicle, one of the things I remember being aware of, was that a full tank is safer than a tank at half capacity. This is because gasoline - especially gasoline, will create more vapors in a partially filled container than in a filled container. Being the volatile liquid that it is, it is safer to travel with a full tank or very nearly so. Jet A, or refined kerosene, which is just a better grade of diesel, will not readily ignite. In fact, at normal temperatures that we live, even over 110 degrees, you can safely extinguish a match by dunking it in the fuel. Jet A must be either heated significantly or be sprayed in a mist to cause it to ignite at normal temperatures. The above is not to say that vapors will not ignite, just that the liquid fuel is stubborn to. In order to cause a fire to start, you require three things: A source of heat; A source of fuel; An oxidizer; With the exception of magnesium, no other fire will exist without one of those ingredients. Fuel, in the sense that I are speaking (Jet A), will ignite only within a certain range of ratio values of fuel-to-air. The fuel-to-air ratio, is a ratio of weights. If there is insufficient fuel or too much fuel, then combustion will not result. As an aside here, the air ratio is considered to be with a 20 percent content of oxygen. This same situation is different for air, too little oxygen, and no combustion of the fuel will result, but with more than 20 percent oxygen as a portion of the air, then the real possibility of an explosion without a heat source will exist. But since the latter is not a natural condition, it can be ignored as a possibility here. For the sake of argument, let's say that the temperature of the fuel in the centerwing tank for FLT 800, as it sat on the ground, was at 100 degrees. It may have been hotter, but that will serve only to further discount the theme being played by the authorities. When fuel is heated it gives off vapors. This is true for all liquid petroleum based fuels. In the case of the FLT 800, it had been on the tarmac for over an hour. This would have provided sufficient time for the miniscule amount of fuel remaining in the centerwing to fill the interior with a very rich mixture of fuel vapor. As the fuel vaporized, it would have been pushing the air mass above it out into the tank vents, more fuel vapor equates to less air. In an enclosed system (no vent) that is heated, the liquid within will not boil once the pressure is past a certain point. This is because the pressure mass above the liquid exerts a force on the liquid not allowing it to evaporate. The tank however, has a vent system, so heated fuel will cause vapors, which in turn displace the air in the tank driving it out the vent. Once the airplane left the ground, it was being subject to decreasing atmospheric pressure. Even though the fuel tanks are being slightly pressurized by the scoops spoken of earlier, the ambient pressure is still less and decreases continually as the plane ascends. Now, consider that the centerwing tank has a gross deficit of an atmosphere necessary to sustain combustion (insufficient oxygen), as it was on the ground, and as the plane ascends the quantity of oxygen decreases appropriately outside the airplane (ambient atmosphere), and because the pressure in the tank is lessening with altitude, forcing very heavy fuel vapors into the vent, the possibility of an explosion within the centerwing tank is beyond a reasonable doubt not likely, even with as heat source of sufficient value necessary to sustain combustion. If that heat source did exist, it would at most produce a smoke that would further add to the unsustaining atmosphere. Now, let's look at the fuel quantity measurement system. Most commercial aircraft use a capacitance based measurement system which has been in use for many decades, principally because it is quite accurate and safe. The amount of power required to operate it is minimal, and if any of the wiring happens to come into contact with structure or with other wiring, it will not produce a spark of sufficient energy to cause enough heat to be considered an ignition source. Remember here, that a fire requires three things to happen. If any wires short in a fuel tank as part of the fuel quantity measurement system, the heat produced as a result of the spark - if they do spark, will be of insufficient heat - even in the _most optimum_ conditions of fuel-to-air mixtures. That is the way the system is designed to operate: under the worst possible conditions. Let me state this: if you consider the fuel quantity measurement system used on most automobiles - which is quite primitive by the way, to be entirely safe, especially with gasoline based engines, then the system used on the 747 airplane is at least 10 times safer. Remember that thought when you also consider that Jet A is a safer fuel. Let's look at the fuel pumps. The fuel pumps used on the 747, are of two piece design. There is the impeller and its housing which reside in the tanks, and the electric pumps - hermetically sealed, which reside outside the tank. The two are connected via a metal shaft. There is no pump wiring inside the tank - period. Each of the pumps has a temperature sensor, which warns the crew of an overtemp condition - long before any damage will happen to the pump. It the temp sensor fails, the pump is deactivated, automatically. Given what I have just provided, there is no possible way that a fire could have begun with an origin caused by the conditions that existed or with the systems on that airplane. In combination with all those factors, is the ready dismissal of eyewitness accounts of a streak of light, just before the event. I invite you to converse at length with those professional people who have more knowledge than I, and I am certain that when you do, you'll arrive at the same conclusions as I. This whole situation is perplexing, given that with all the operating hours, all of the flight conditions, and all of the possibilities that have ever existed with flying and maintaining a 747 airplane, that such an event has never before happened. I know the 747 airplane inside and out. The explosion simply did not have anything to do with it, or its systems. Most respectfully, E.J. Totty eschelon@eschelon.seanet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Challenge to Educators -- Memorize the Constitution Date: 20 Jul 1997 12:00:08 -0400 In Ohio it is law that students cannot progress to high school without a working knowledge of the Constitution, but do you think it's enforced? Not a chance. >Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 11:19:48 -0800 >From: Jon Roland >Subject: Challenge to Educators -- Memorize the Constitution >To: misc-activism-militia@uunet.uu.net > >A central element of the education of the ancient Greeks and Romans was having >the students memorize the entire contents of major works of literature. >Writing materials were scarce, and carrying a copy of an important work in >one's head was considered more convenient. > >We have lost sight of the ability of people to memorize. When I was in the >eighth grade in Seguin, Texas, I had a great English teacher, Eric Nelson, who >announced to the class one day that our next task was to memorize a one-page >poem, and recite it back, on paper, without looking at the original. Moreover, >we would have only four minutes to memorize it! > >The immediate reaction of the class, including me, was to doubt that we could >do it, but he insisted. > >So we did it. > >Even the kids who didn't usually make good grades. > >And all of us were amazed that we could. > >And the grades of the less-gifted students showed some improvement as the >result of such exercises. > >Keep in mind that even a single missing or misplaced punctuation mark counted >off, and the grades, after a preliminary practice period, counted. We had to >get it perfect. > >There is no reason why we could not have students (and ourselves) memorize >longer works, such as the U.S. Constitution. We have gotten lazy, and we need >to shape up. > >The time may come when it is a crime to possess a copy of the U.S. >Constitution. There is already a risk to jurors if they bring a copy into the >courtroom, and to members of the armed forces if they have copies and discuss >it. > >So this is my challenge to educators, especially those who are home-schoolers: >Get everyone to memorize the U.S. Constitution and other important works >related to it and to our rights and duties. Soldiers should memorize the >entire UCMJ. Policemen the entire criminal code. And don't rely on >watered-down briefing papers. Memorize the sources. Practice at meetings. Quiz >one another. Use memorization of the U.S. Constitution as an initiation test >for membership in patriotic organizations. Require new citizens to memorize >it, and students to memorize it before they can graduate from high school, or >perhaps even from elementary school. > >You have your assignments. > >=================================================================== >Constitution Society, 1731 Howe Av #370, Sacramento, CA 95825 >916/568-1022, 916/450-7941VM Date: 07/19/97 Time: 11:19:51 >http://www.constitution.org/ mailto:jon.roland@the-spa.com >=================================================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: How the rule of law was subverted by the Clinton Plan Date: 21 Jul 1997 09:29:18 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- . HOW THE RULE OF LAW WAS SUBVERTED The Implementation of a Clinton Administration Plan It all started with the "D.A. Massacre" at the U.S. Justice Department. The Clinton administration in 1993 fired all U.S. Attorneys and replaced them with loyal cronies. That almost ended accountability for the Clinton administration, because indictment for crimes would have to be brought by U.S. Attorneys. An example is U.S. Attorney Eric Holder, conveniently placed at the District of Columbia--the actual crime scene for most of the misdeeds of the Clinton Administration. He has repeatedly refused prosecution of Clinton administration employees despite referrals with clear evidence of wrongdoing. But it now seems that the "D.A. Massacre" was part of a larger plan to end accountability and destroy enemies of the state: INSPECTOR GENERALS REPLACED The Inspectors General of the different government agencies are the ethics and crime watchdogs. During the Clinton administration, they, as well as the respective general counsels, were replaced with loyal cronies answering no longer to the people of the United States but to the White House Counsel's office, the central intelligence office of the operation as we shall see later. Consider the following examples: (1) Treasury Inspector Valerie Lau started a criminal probe of Secret Service agents John Libonati and Jeffrey Undercoffer after they had testified that the Secret Service was not the source of the list used to compile FBI files in the Filegate scandal, thus blowing the White House cover story. Senator Orrin Hatch suspected the criminal probe was a political vendetta orchestrated from the White House. Treasury IG Valerie Lau also provided confidential depositions of White House staffers to White House Counsel Lloyd Cutler ahead of Whitewater hearings in 1994. Cutler used the testimony to coach staffers to get their stories straight and consistent before appearing before Congress. The depositions had been taken as part of a Treasury IG probe into allegations that the Treasury Dept. had tipped off the White House about the RTC criminal investigation into Whitewater. The Treasury IG probe, predictably, found no improper contacts. (2) FBI General Counsel Howard Shapiro hand delivered the manuscript of dissident Gary Aldrich to the White House Counsel's office. He also leaked information to the White House Counsel's office that FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene had revealed in a confidential FBI interview that it was Hillary Clinton who hired Filegate perpetrator Craig Livingstone. Both contacts were followed by White House efforts to neutralize Aldrich and Sculimbrene. (3) State Department Inspector General Josephine William-Bridgers cleared Toby Gati, the State Department's intelligence chief, of improper contacts with Hungarian intelligence and illegal access to classified NSA documents. Josephine William-Bridgers is "the model of 'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil,'" says former State Department employee Timothy N. Hunter. William-Bridgers replaced Sherman Funk after he had found several instances of clear criminal violations at the State Department. (4) United States Information Agency Inspector General Mariann Benett covered up credit card fraud by USIA Inspector General staff and launched a politically motivated investigation of Radio Marti, a staunchly anti-Communist radio station run by the government. She came under heavy fire from her deputy Inspector General for her violation of procedure. POLITICAL BLACKMAIL Political intelligence gathered by Inspector Generals and other covert operatives of the White House Counsel's office has limited value if it cannot be turned into action. This is where political blackmail enters the picture. A truly corrupt administration can only survive if it can control public opinion, the judicial system, and the political system. Public opinion is controlled by the Clinton-friendly media. The judicial system has been taken care of as described above. That leaves the political system, which can still hold hearings and vote to impeach. The only effective way to deal with politicians is by blackmail. To blackmail a politician, you need dirt. To collect dirt, you need a private investigator or FBI agents. The White House has and uses both. The White House Counsel's office employed Anthony Marceca and Craig Livingstone to study FBI files on thousands of government employees and politicians. The names include both Republicans and Democrats, and this is an important point. As can be seen from the current Senate campaign finance hearings, it is of great value to the White House to have a few Democrats on the Committee who will do everything to obstruct, impede and obfuscate the hearings. Here again, the White House Counsel is key. Current White House Counsel Charles Ruff was the lawyer who got Senator John Glenn (D-OH) off on a charge of accepting a $234,000 bribe from S&L operator Charles Keating during the "Keating Five" scandal. Charles Ruff knows what legal or illegal means were used to save Glenn's career. Ruff also knows what legal or illegal means were used to retire Glenn's $3 million campaign debt from a failed 1984 presidential bid in violation of FEC rules. The current obfuscation attempts by Senators Glenn, Levin and Torricelli are so blatant and clumsy, however, that even Clinton-friendly media operatives find them difficult to defend. As a reference point, we can use the behavior of a Democrat who does not appear to have been either bought by the Chinese or fallen victim to political blackmail: Senator Lieberman, who still appears to keep an open, inquiring mind. The White House has also made heavy use of one certain private investigator from California, Jack Palladino. Palladino was first used by the Clinton campaign in 1992 to threaten "bimbos" and others who were considered coming forward with information damaging to Clinton. In 1993, Jack Palladino apparently was hired by Harry Thomasson to look for dirt on the fired White House Travel Office staff. Justice Department phone logs from June 23, 1993 also show that Betsy Wright called Deputy Attorney General Webster Hubbell to give him the phone number of Jack Palladino at the request of Hillary Clinton. What Jack Palladino did for Webster Hubbell on that occasion remains a mystery to this date. But we do know that a $150,000 payment to Palladino's detective firm was made in 1993 by a lawyer for the Teamster's union. That lawyer was none other than the current White House Counsel, Charles Ruff. THE FBI AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT The replacement of the FBI director and the appointment of an Attorney General, both of whom are loyal cronies of the Clinton administration is an important part of the plan. Take as an example the current campaign financing scandal. The FBI has known at least since last year about the Chinese plan to illegally infiltrate U.S. politics, yet has done nothing. It was the private watchdog group Judicial Watch that exposed the apparent spy John Huang. The FBI has yet to track down and question most of the players in the fundraising and espionage scandal. But the FBI and the Justice Department have not hesitated to pursue the frivolous allegations by DNC operative Mark Siegel against House Government Oversight Committee Chairman Dan Burton. Last week, the Justice Department delivered what Burton considered a clear message: you continue your aggressive government corruption investigations, and you will get "framed" for a campaign finance scandal of your own. This is political blackmail--not by the White House Counsel's office but by the Justice Department, the top law enforcement agency in the land. Also last week, Dwight Linkous, a former consultant for Charlie Trie said that he has been prevented, presumably by Justice Department officials, from telling a federal grand jury investigating campaign finance all he knows. And The American Spectator reveals in the August 1997 issue that the DNC is far from coming clean on its illegal contributions. "Using publicly available FEC records and documents released by the DNC... we have identified an additional $562,437 in dubious contributions that were undeclared by the DNC," Kenneth R. Timmerman tells the Washington Weekly. "This clearly suggests that there is much more to the campaign finance scandal than the DNC wants us to believe, and that much more illegal money is probably out there, undisclosed, and unreturned." The important question is why has the FEC or the Justice Department not taken this look at the DNC? Why is it that every new revelation has to come from conservative reporters, conservative organizations, and investigators for Republican Senators? The Justice Department clearly is not interested in uncovering the truth. So those who have asked repeatedly how the White House has been able to get away with so many crimes reported by the alternative and conservative media now have an answer: they had an advance plan. Published in the Jul. 21, 1997 issue of The Washington Weekly Copyright 1997 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) Reposting permitted with this message intact ========================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Ferris Subject: Re: SHE SAILS!!!! Date: 21 Jul 1997 16:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Dennis, et al., I wonder if the Marines aboard were carrying "assault rifles" of the 1812 period, i.e., flintlock muskets of large caliber? I wonder if the cannons which fired the 21 gun salute were painted black in color ... and if they were stamped "suitable for sporting purposes only" ... and, of course, equipped with child safety locks? ("Sloganeering ideas" ... timely "cannon fodder" for bumper stickers?) It Takes A Sailing CONSTITUTION To Protect Our Written One It Takes A Sailing CONSTITUTION To Faze A Clinton Village! Best regards, Chris Ferris Litchfield NH ferriscc@mainstream.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Received from my newsprofiles. I have highlighted the Guns/Noban relevance with **** in paragraph 8. A SALUTE to a grand old Lady. Fair winds and following seas to her and her crew. Regards Dennis -------------------------------------------------- c The Associated Press ABOARD THE USS CONSTITUTION (AP) - The oldest commissioned warship afloat was tugged into open ocean today, ready for its first sail under its own power in 116 years. ``We never thought it would happen,'' said Petty Officer Norman Treganza, part of the Navy crew that has trained for months to rig the USS Constitution. Marines in period uniforms stood at attention at the bow as the ship began to move out of Marblehead Harbor at about 10 a.m., towed by tugboats and escorted by a fireboat spraying water high into the air. A Navy band played ``Anchors Aweigh.'' Winds were from the southwest at up to 14 knots in Massachusetts Bay, according to the National Weather Service - pleasant weather for sailing. The commander of the 200-year-old ship had said he wouldn't unfurl the sails if the winds exceeded 15 knots, roughly 17 mph. Politicians, military officers and sailors formerly assigned to the Constitution were aboard for the historic cruise. ``She's a grand old lady, a spry old lady. She's very much alive,'' said Tyrone Martin, who commanded the ship in the mid-1970s. An estimated 100,000 people, on land and on sea, watched as Old Ironsides left Marblehead, police said. Throngs also had turned out Sunday to see the ship arrive, accompanied by a fleet of sailboats and modern Navy ships. A chorus of cheers filled the air as the ship let off a ***21-gun salute.*** ``Today, right now, I just have this gigantic, marvelous feeling,'' said Edna Strom, 71, of Quincy, who was in the crowd Sunday. ``I really never felt more proud to be an American.'' Launched as one of the Navy's first warships, ``Old Ironsides'' was undefeated in 30 engagements. Her victory over the HMS Guerriere in 1812 signaled America's arrival as a naval power. The ship's most famous visit to Marblehead Harbor came April 3, 1814, when she sought shelter from two 38-gun British frigates. With nearly a third of its crew from Marblehead, the Constitution had little problem navigating the harbor. The British ships wouldn't risk the unfamiliar waters. The ship and her modern-day crew were welcomed to Marblehead again with a proclamation and key to the town. ``I can only tell you as I came into the harbor that it was the most magnificent sight that I've seen in my life,'' said Cmdr. Michael Beck, the ship's 64th skipper. A 3 1/2-year restoration effort included the weaving of six new sails and replacement of copper plating along the ship's lower hull. The sails - the same configuration the 204-foot ship used in battle - were unfurled Sunday. ``It's no longer a museum piece,'' Navy Vice Adm. James Ellis said. ``She's actually a living ship.'' Constitution's last free sail was in 1881. It visited ports on both coasts in the early 1930s, but was always under tow although it had sails to display. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mestetsr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Subject: From the Int. Criminal Court... Date: 21 Jul 1997 20:19:05 -0400 Hello all: Well, it appears our idiot legislators feel it necessary to censor even those that are trying to socialize our government internationally. I'm on an email list that was started to monitor the "progress" of the formation of an international criminal court. There's an obvious problem with the first amendment in the UN building in NYC... Rachel >From: "Boyle, Francis" > >Dear Friends: > You might want to read my note "Determining U.S. Responsibility for >Contra Operations under International Law", 81 American Journal of >International Law 86-93 (1987). Although formally requested, an attempt >was made to sabotage the publication of this note in the AJIL at the >very last minute , for obvious political reasons. Eventually, in order >to help the Nicaraguans, I agreed to delete some analysis related to the >Reagan administration's war against El Salvador. As such, the note was >finally published after a strong protest by me to the entire Editorial >Board over this obvious case of political censorship. I will no longer >write for them. > Francis Boyle > Professor of International Law >Francis A. Boyle >Law Building >504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >Champaign, Illinois 61820 >Phone: 217-333-7954 >Fax: 217-244-1478 >fboyle@law.uiuc.edu > >>---------- >>From: paulmag@anthro.ufl.edu[SMTP:paulmag@anthro.ufl.edu] >>Sent: Monday, July 21, 1997 2:37 AM >>To: Recipients of icc-info >>Subject: ICTR Research unit >> >>From: paulmag@anthro.ufl.edu (Paul Magnarella) >> >>Paul J. Magnarella is organizing a research unit of volunteers to support >>the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR). The unit will >>undertake research into legal questions submitted to Magnarella by the ICTR >>Registrar and legal staff. The current research requested by the ICTR >>concerns the direct application of Article 3 Common to the Geneva >>Convention in relation to non-combatants holdings positions of public, >>non-military, responsibility who are perpetrators of war crimes. The >>research unit will examine the question of whether a person who does not >>form part of the military establishment of a country can assume >>responsibilities under the Geneva Conventions, including Article 3, to the >>effect that he can be held responsible for crimes committed by perpetrators >>outside the scope of his military authority. >> Anyone interested in joining the unit and contributing research on >>the above topic should contact Magnarella, who will coordinate the research >>and forward research submissions to the ICTR. All those who contribute >>research will be fully credited for their work. >> >>Prof. Paul J. Magnarella, Ph.D., J.D. >>441 Grinter Hall Tel: 352-392-4453 >>University of Florida FAX 352-392-6929 >>Gainesville, Florida 32611, USA >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: The report of the UN commission on global governance Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:51:30 -0500 (CDT) http://www.imperium.net/~colombo.nwo_rev.htm ---------- Forwarded message ---------- =20 OUR GLOBAL NEIGHBORHOOD =20 The Report of The Commission on Global Governance OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS =20 =20 =20 In one way, this article is a book review. On a deeper level, it is a= n exposure of a force that is rapidly decreasing the ability of any nat= ion to remain independent and make its own decisions about how it will be governed. For many years, the phrase "New World Order" has brought fe= ar to the hearts of many and derisive snickers from the mouths of those = who disbelieved its existence. The forces behind global government press inexorably forward, ignoring the hype and hysteria surrounding world government fears. It is my desire to show that the "new world order" = is real, and is advancing to take away many freedoms that I generally believe are granted by God, our Creator.=20 =20 In 1991, a meeting took place in Sweden, called "Common Responsibilit= y in the 1990s: The Stockholm Initiative on Global Security and Governance= =2E" As a result of this meeting, with the endorsement of the United Natio= ns Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali, a commission was formed to study the concepts of Global Governance.=20 =20 The United States had two representatives to the Commission. One, Ade= le Simmons, is president of the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation in Chicago and is an elected member of the Council on Fore= ign Relations (CFR). From 1977 to 1989, she was President of Hampshire College in Massachusetts.=20 =20 The other US representative to the Commission, Barber Conable, was president of the World Bank from 1986 to 1991. At the time the report was published, he was Chairman of the Committee on US-China Relations= , and a member of the Senior Advisory Committee of the Global Environme= nt Facility (GEF). He has served as a member of the U.S. House of Representatives on various committees, and is currently the Chairman = of the Executive Committee of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution and a Trustee Fellow and Executive Committee member of Cornell University.=20 =20 The report generated by this Commission, Our Global Neighborhood, is = a carefully-crafted deception. In the Co-Chairmen's Foreword, the co- chairmen make the following statement: "As this report makes clear, global governance is not global government."=20 =20 Now, let us first settle on a simple definition of government. For my purposes in this article, I will take a definition of government from Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary:=20 =20 =20 =20 Government: the continuous exercise of authority over and the performance of functions for a political unit. =20 =20 =20 Simply stated, let's say that government is the exercise of authority over a group of people. Through the body of this article, discern for yourself if the United Nations wants to exercise authority over you a= nd your country.=20 =20 For fairness' sake, I need to say that most of the justifications cit= ed in the report are real, compelling reasons why the world needs soluti= ons to certain problems. World population is, in fact, rapidly overtaking the ability of nations to feed their people. Environmental destructio= n is, in fact, taking place so rapidly that the earth's atmosphere is being destabilized. Armed violence is, in fact, killing many millions= of people worldwide. These are problems that, I admit, desperately need solutions. However, I don't believe, as Bill Clinton does, that we "h= ave to give up a little bit of freedom" to achieve solutions to these problems. I believe we can find solutions outside of a one-world government, while keeping our nation's sovereignty intact.=20 =20 Chapter One - A New World=20 =20 In this chapter, the report covers some historical background concern= ing how the world arrived in its current circumstances. A definition of Global Governance is provided, as follows:=20 =20 =20 =20 "Governance is the sum of the many ways individuals and institutions, public and private, manage their common affairs. It is a continuing process through which conflicting or diverse interests may be accommodated and cooperative action may be taken. It includes formal institutions and regimes empowered to enforce compliance, as well as informal arrangements that people and institutions either have agreed to or perceive to be in their interest."=20 =20 =20 =20 The chapter discusses globalization of industry and the changes that = are occurring in the world due to communications advances. It builds justification for global governance on the premise that all nations a= re becoming inextricably intertwined by financial, trade, social, and le= gal ties.=20 =20 Chapter Two - Values for the Global Neighbourhood =20 This chapter establishes the values upon which the Global Neighborhoo= d should be constructed:=20 =20 =20 =20 "People have to see with new eyes and understand with new minds before they can truly turn to new ways of living. That is why global values must be the cornerstone of global governance."=20 =20 =20 =20 Some basic values are covered, such as respect for life, liberty, jus= tice and equity, mutual respect, caring, integrity, and rights and responsibilities. These all are familiar values, and ones most people will accept as worthy of achievement. But the United Nations has different definitions than we might expect for many of these values.= =20 =20 =20 =20 "A concern for equity is not tantamount to an insistence on equality, but it does call for deliberate efforts to reduce gross inequalities, to deal with factors that cause or perpetuate them, and to promote a fairer sharing of resources. A broader commitment to equity and justice is basic to more purposeful action to reduce disparities and bring about a more balanced distribution of opportunities around the world."=20 =20 =20 =20 For illustration of the United Nations concept of equity, one might l= ook to the example of the United Nations Conference on Human Settlements,= in Istanbul, Turkey, held in June of 1996. Nicknamed "Habitat II," this conference established United Nations guidelines for making cities an= d towns fit a certain environmental model, a model which is favorable t= o sustainable development. This U.N. Conference established the view th= at housing is a universal human right.=20 =20 Housing as a universal human right sounds appealing, but the U.N. approach is to take from the rich and give to the poor, as illustrate= d by the following sections taken directly from the Treaty that resulte= d from the Habitat II conference. Read these lines very carefully: =20 =20 =20 "Within the overall context of an enabling approach, Governments should take appropriate action in order to promote, protect and ensure the full and progressive realization of the right to adequate housing. These actions include, but are not limited to:=20 =20 =20 =20 (a) Providing, in the matter of housing, that the law shall prohibit any discrimination and guarantee to all persons equal and effective protection against discrimination on any ground such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status;=20 =20 (b) Providing legal security of tenure and equal access to land for all, including women and those living in poverty, as well as effective protection from forced evictions that are contrary to the law, taking human rights into consideration and bearing in mind that homeless people should not be penalized for their status; [emphasis added]=20 =20 (c) Adopting policies aimed at making housing habitable, affordable and accessible, including for those who are unable to secure adequate housing through their own means, [emphasis added] by, inter alia:=20 =20 =20 =20 (i) Expanding the supply of affordable housing through appropriate regulatory measures and market incentives;=20 =20 (ii) Increasing affordability through the provision of subsidies and rental and other forms of housing assistance to people living in poverty;=20 =20 (iii) Supporting community-based, cooperative and non-profit rental and owner-occupied housing programmes;=20 =20 (iv) Promoting supporting services for the homeless and other vulnerable groups;=20 =20 (v) Mobilizing innovative financial and other resources - public and private - for housing and community development;=20 =20 (vi) Creating and promoting market-based incentives to encourage the private sector to meet the need for affordable rental and owner- occupied housing;=20 =20 (vii) Promoting sustainable spatial development patterns and transportation systems that improve accessibility of goods, services, amenities and work;=20 =20 =20 =20 (d) Effective monitoring and evaluation of housing conditions, including the extent of homelessness and inadequate housing, and, in consultation with the affected population, formulating and adopting appropriate housing policies and implementing effective strategies and plans to address those problems."=20 =20 =20 =20 To accomplish these ends, the U.N. advises governments to take measur= es such as the following (excerpted from various sections of the Treaty = on Human Settlements):=20 =20 =20 =20 (d) Apply public policies, including expenditure, taxation, [emphasis added] monetary and planning policies, to stimulate sustainable shelter markets and land development;=20 =20 (f) Apply appropriate fiscal measures, including taxation [emphasis added], to promote the adequate supply of housing and land;=20 =20 (g) Periodically assess how best to satisfy the requirement for government intervention to meet the specific needs of people living in poverty and vulnerable groups for whom traditional market mechanisms fail to work;=20 =20 =20 =20 Some readers might feel that these U.N. solutions are exactly the solutions needed to the global crisis of homelessness. I, however, object strongly to a global welfare state that robs resources from productive people and distributes them freely to people who are not willing to work for themselves. I most especially object to this idea= of a global welfare state since it will be enforced effectively at gunpo= int by U.N. peacekeeping forces. I offer an alternative solution to the global welfare state by saying that as Americans, we obtained our wea= lth by productive labor. Instead of a gun-enforced "tax the rich and give= to the poor" scheme, we need to empower the rest of the world by trainin= g them in effective methods of food production, housing production, etc= =2E=20 =20 Chapter Three - Promoting Security=20 =20 It is within this chapter of Our Global Neighborhood that we see the intentions of the United Nations to control all firearms. The commiss= ion states these common beliefs in the following "norms for security policies in the new era":=20 =20 =20 =20 =BB Military force is not a legitimate political instrument, except in self-defense and under UN auspices.=20 =20 =BB The development of military capabilities beyond that required for national defense and support of UN action is a potential threat to the security of the people.=20 =20 =BB The production and trade in arms should be controlled by the international community.=20 =20 =20 =20 Do these things sound like global government to you? One visible evid= ence of the progress made by the United Nations is the current United Stat= es efforts to reduce the size of its armed forces. Chapter Three closes with a final plea:=20 =20 =20 =20 "We strongly endorse community initiatives to protect individual life, to encourage the disarming of civilians, and to foster an atmosphere of security in neighborhoods."=20 =20 =20 =20 I submit that, even if the United Nations places peacekeeping forces = in every town in the world, there will always be those that manufacture = and distribute firearms regardless of any laws prohibiting such activitie= s. =20 Chapter Four - Managing Economic Interdependence=20 =20 This is a broad chapter dealing with governing the global financial arena. It deals with challenges such as environmental protection, poverty, multi-lateralism in trade, the World Trade Organization, and the International Monetary Fund, among others.=20 =20 Tucked away at the end of the chapter is the necessary evil of taxing= the world to pay for all of the new United Nations' government programs. Here, again, we see the typical circumlocution of UNSpeak, as the tex= t reads:=20 =20 =20 =20 "We specifically do not propose a taxing power located anywhere in the UN system. User charges, levies, taxes - global revenue-receiving arrangements of whatever kind - have to be agreed globally and implemented by a treaty or convention. Proposals for them can be initiated in the UN system - in the Economic Security Council (ECOSOC), when established - and negotiated and approved by the General Assembly before being embodied in an international agreement to be approved and ratified."=20 =20 =20 =20 One of the largest taxes being contemplated at a global level is the "carbon tax". When any kind of fuel is burned, there is an emission o= f carbon. Whether it is wood, gasoline, propane, or other fuel, all sen= d a carbon residue into the atmosphere. A tax on carbon emissions would affect the price you pay for almost every single item you might purchase. It would directly increase your expense for gasoline. It wo= uld indirectly, but in a major way, affect the price you pay for electricity. It would indirectly, in countless thousands of ways, aff= ect you by increasing the costs of:=20 =20 =20 =20 * producing any manufactured goods whose factories are driven by carbon- based fuels=20 =20 * transporting the groceries you buy, as well as any other item transported by truck, car, train, etc.=20 =20 * paying the electric bill of your grocery store, the local Wal-Mart, or school, etc.=20 =20 * heating and cooling your home.=20 =20 =20 =20 Our society is so completely dependent upon carbon-based fuels that i= t is almost inconceivable how many times even the slightest carbon tax wil= l multiply to increase your cost of living. The United Nations generall= y favors a system of global trade which is completely free of trade barriers. As an American, I object strongly to this in principle. In = my home state, I frequently read about factories closing to relocate to Mexico, Canada, or locales even further removed from this country.=20 =20 I read recently that workers in a new Wal-Mart in China were to be pa= id the equivalent of US$120 per month. In China, this is probably a reasonable wage. But, as a result of the movement of industry out of this country, I see a vast leveling effect. Lower wages in the countr= ies to which our factories are fleeing cannot help but to depress wages i= n this country until the world wage levels tend to an average much lowe= r than current American wage levels. Americans will lose jobs until the= y are willing to work for the lower wages found in these other countrie= s.=20 =20 Chapter Five - Reforming the United Nations=20 =20 In this chapter, the commission stresses that "the UN is us", that th= e UN is merely the product of what nations of the world have desired. The first few pages are spent bemoaning the historical weakness of the United Nations as an organization that could recommend, but not enfor= ce, solutions to world problems.=20 =20 The UN Security Council is comprised of five nations, the United Stat= es being one of those. Recently, the United States exercised its veto po= wer as a Securit=BC Council member to prevent Boutros Boutros- Ghali from= a second term as Secretary-General. The Commission wants to not only expand membership in the Security Council, it wants to remove the vet= o power completely.=20 =20 This chapter is broad as well, encompassing new processes of selectin= g the Secretary-General, restructuring the accreditation of Non- Governmental Organizations (NGOs), and other topics. =20 Chapter Six - Strengthening the Rule of Law World-Wide=20 =20 This chapter deals with increasing the authority of the World Court, strengthening international law, and establishing an international criminal court. This should immediately warn the reader that yes, in fact, an increase of authority over an individual or nation constitut= es government, regardless of the name it is given.=20 =20 =20 =20 "In an ideal world, acceptance of the compulsory jurisdiction of the World Court would be a prerequisite for UN membership."=20 =20 "The absence of an international criminal court discredits the rule of law. It must be established soon."=20 =20 =20 =20 There is an aspect of the United Nations that is disturbing at many levels, that of Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs). The UN has lon= g used such organizations to carry out its goals. If you study the moti= ves and methods of the UN, you will see a pattern that to me suggests tha= t NGOs are merely called Non-Governmental so that they will not have to= be elected to office or answer to the electorate in any way. Many of the increasingly-powerful environmental groups in this country are United Nations NGOs.=20 =20 The United Nations intends to give NGOs substantial power in governin= g the global neighborhood. In this chapter, in the section dealing with establishing an international criminal court, the Commission applauds existing courts who recognize a body of international law already, an= d seeks to establish enforcement power in NGOs.=20 =20 =20 =20 "This process should be encouraged by courts being more ready than in the past to admit cases in which individuals and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) seek to enforce compliance with international norms in domestic courts, or wish to ensure that their government's foreign policy is in conformity with them."=20 =20 =20 =20 It is easy to see that the UN wants to use NGOs to enforce its will u= pon the various governments of the world via a "back door". For any syste= m of laws, there must be some enforcement mechanism, as the Commission states here:=20 =20 =20 =20 "A necessary condition for strengthening the rule of law world-wide is an efficient monitoring and compliance regime. The very essence of global governance is the capacity of the international community to ensure compliance with the rules of society."=20 =20 =20 =20 I do not wish to see any sort of monitoring and compliance regime fro= m the United Nations established in our country. If global governance i= s not government, why then do they want to establish a monitoring and compliance regime?=20 =20 This chapter contains a paragraph which sheds valuable light upon how= the United Nations guides the actions of individual countries. Many peopl= e question whether the United Nations has any authority to truly enforc= e its mandates. As is evident here, the authority for enforcement build= s over time due to what is called "soft law".=20 =20 =20 =20 "International law has evolved techniques to respond to this challenge. Standards may be set by instruments (such as resolutions of some international organizations [or UN Treaties and Commissions - ed.]) that are technically non-binding but in fact have considerable influence on behavior. If applied in practice, these standards may begin to assume some legal status. This is the hardening of so-called 'soft law'."=20 =20 =20 =20 Chapter Seven - A Call To Action=20 =20 Chapter seven reprises the content of all of the earlier chapters in = the book, so that one might get a good idea of the book's scope by readin= g only this chapter. Moving forward from this point, the chapter introduces the Commission's recommendation that the UN General Assemb= ly should agree to hold a World Conference on Governance in 1998, with i= ts decisions to be ratified and put into effect by the year 2000. =20 Summation=20 =20 I would strongly recommended that anyone desiring an understanding of global government trends should read Our Global Neighborhood. Using t= his work as a starting point, the reader should continue study with the m= any treaties originating in the UN from recent world conferences, such as the UN Convention on the Rights of a Child, the Biodiversity Treaty, etc., which currently make up a body of "soft law" that has an increasing effect on our lives.=20 =20 =20 =20 In pre-American England, the government imposed its own will upon the citizens. Many of these people were fortunate, in that the New World opened up the opportunity to vote with their feet by coming to America. They could leave the tyranny behind.=20 =20 =20 =20 If we turn over the whole globe to the rule of one group, where then = will we flee when tyranny knocks at our door?=20 =20 NOTE: The Official Home Page of the Commission on Global Governance i= s at CGG and the UN =20 Respectfully,=20 =20 Editor's Note: The author of this book review document asked to remain anonymous. To read his/her personal comments and obtain some interestin= g bookmarks (web links), Click HERE =20 CLICK HERE TO RETURN TO THE ALERTS PAGE =20 CLICK HERE TO RETURN TO COLOMBO'S HOME PAGE =20 [IMAGE]=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: House to Step-up Asset Forfeiture (fwd) Date: 22 Jul 1997 17:20:51 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: consensus-l@eskimo.com Conservative Consensus(tm) ************************************************************************ Events * Analysis * Commentary * Forecasts * Readers' Opinions ************************************************************************ http://www.eskimo.com/~ccnrs/news.html Security Column * V3X24 * 22/Jul/97 * ISSN 1074-245X HOUSE TO STEP-UP ASSET FORFEITURE HR1965 --- a new asset-forfeiture bill --- has passed out of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee and may be headed on the fast track through Congress. We have examined the bill, and it is a nasty piece of work. If you are in business, it allows the federal government to seize your inventory and assets on the flimsiest of evidence. Even if the original warrant is struck down by a court, the government would be given addition time for "discovery" to examine business records and build a case to continue holding the assets! This bill masquerades under the guise of providing "a more just and uniform procedure for Federal civil forfeitures, and other purposes." As with the IRS, it puts the burden of proof on the defendant, puts the burden of establishing what constitutes "excessive fines (8th Amendment) on the defendant, provides for seizure without a warrant by the Attorney General, Treasury (BATF), and Postal Service under a variety of conditions. It allows seized assets to go to crime victims --- and regulatory agencies. And it allows seizures by the Food and Drug Administration for violations of regulatory bureaucracy! Since agencies like the FDA write their own rules, almost anything you can think of can become a "violation of regulatory" standards. We suggest that you let others know about this --- and your elected representatives --- while there is still time. The bill runs about 25 pages and may be obtained from the congressional website. ### COPYRIGHT 1997 by Conservative Consensus, unless otherwise noted. Please redistribute widely with headers and trailers intact. SNEAK A PEEK at our new WEBSITE home! Many thanks to Steve Curry of Unibuilt Technology (Steve@unibuilt.com) for redesigning and hosting CC's new website. More features are planned, but check it out now at: http://www.pro-search.com/eskimo JOIN this list! Email SUBSCRIBE to consensus-L-request@eskimo.com or visit our WEBSITE at http://www.eskimo.com/~ccnrs/news.html for details. Conservative Consensus & The McMillan Letter Bridge Over Troubled Waters TV Show, Seattle 6:30pm Fri. Ch.29 Email: ccnrs@eskimo.com * Infoline: (206)230-5227 * Fax: (206)783-3243 ************************************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: RE: Forwarded mail.... (fwd) Date: 21 Jul 1997 11:37:38 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Reply-To: act@efn.org Cc: "against cons. terrorists" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- KILLING CORPORATE WELFARE By John F.McManus Representative Rob Andrews (D-NJ) recently introduced H.R. 387, the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) Termination Act,Begun in 1971, OPIC is a government agency formed to provide project financing, investment insurance, and other services for American businesses so that they can operate risk free in developing nations where investment environments may be perilous. The very name of this agency cleverly misleads. OPIC is not "private," but government: it is not a "corporation" in the real sense, but a non-taxpaying federal bureacracy feeding at the public trough; and its greatest beneficiaries aren't "overseas," but right here in corporate America. It ought to be renamed the Government Agency for Subsidizing Big Annual Givers (GASBAG) inasmuch as the corporations receiving OPIC subsidies are among the largest donors to federal re-election campaigns. Last September, Representative John Kasich (R-OH), a leader of the move to abolish OPIC,listed some of the projects that received OPIC funding: "We developed a soft drink bottling company in Poland and in Ghanha,a travel agency in Armenia. We have magazine publishing in Russia, a lumber mill in Lithuania, a shrimp farm in Ecuador, pension management in Columbia, a hotel in Ukranie, and 16 restaurants in Argentina." To that list Rob Andrews added a luxury hotel in Jamaica, a banana plantation in Costa Rica, and an art gallery in Hati. He pointed to the impact on American jobs from OPIC's proponets claim it stimulates exports and Andrews agrees, but Andrews insists that jobs are the major exports -- out of the United States. He told the House colleagues: "In 1994, Kimberly-Clark obtained $9.27 million from OPIC; the same year the Labor Department certified that 600 of Kimberly-Clark's U.S. employees were adversely affected. Similarly, levi-Strauss obtained $41.8 million in OPIC insurance, while the government stated that 100 Levi-Strauss workers in the United States were hurt." Eleanor Holmes Norton, non-voting House Delegate from Washington, D.C, pointed out that "OPIC pays no taxes, pays no dividends, and two-thirds of its income comes from Treasury securities...." Concerning OPIC's negative impact on American jobs she cited the following figures: "let me take four of the large OPIC users: Ford, minus 160,000 jobs here; Exxon, minus 83,000 jobs here; AT&T, minus 127,000 jobs here." Certainly not all of these job losses can be attributed entirely to OPIC programs, but some surely can. Other corporate fat cats benefiting from OPIC's loans and loan guarantees include DuPont, Ford, McDonald's,US West, PepsiCo, and Citicorp. In 1995, while piling up a net income of $3.5 billion and making a major donation to the Council on Foreign Relations (a practice followed by numerous other OPIC beneficiaries), CITICORP tapped OPIC's for $342 million for investment insurance. Representative Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL) correctly noted that OPIC'S corporate recipients earn a private profit while any default involving OPIC-insured activity becomes a public obligation: "A private profit and a public loss -- that's socialism for the rich." OPIC frees large corporations to invest -- at no risk to themselves -- in countries carrying D minus or worse credit ratings. OPIC proponets insist that virtually all of its loans have been repaid and that there have been almost no insurance claims to honor. But Representative ED-Royce (R-CA) countered that OPIC operates exactly like the federal agency that stood behind the savings and loan industry in that that both "sold the full faith and credit of the United States Government." he reminded colleagues that no one worried about having to make good on huge savings and loan losses. A failed OPIC,Royce stated, would cost US taxpayers $25 Billion. Unfortunately, many of the congressmen criticizing OPIC and calling for its demise still believe that direct foreign aid is acceptable. Few seem to realize that nearly all of the money the federal government spends is on unconstitutional ventures. In fact, then representative Jan Meyers (R-KS) ludicrously maintained of OPIC: "It is ...the government performing its legitimate of assisting American Citizens in their dealings with foreign countries."Legitimate function? Similarly, Representative Bereuter (R-NE) declared that because "Japan supports over 36 percent of its total exports with some form of export credit," OPIC must do likewise and even be expanded. And Representative Lee hamilton (D-IN) claimed that "OPIC supports US Foreign policy interests ... in countries whose economic success is in our national interests." All such political posturing is pure Balderdash! The bottom line is that OPIC is a federal welfare program enabling huge U.S. corporations to pursue projects in in foreign countries they wouldn't dare touch if they were forced to use their own money. In addition, none of OPIC's congressional opponets questioned OPIC's possible links to corporate campaign giving. Is it possible that OPIC's corporate beneficiaries have been funneling some of the federal funds back into various re-election efforts? H.R 387 should be supported as a primary step toward re-inforcing long-dormant constitutional limitations on the federal government. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Constitution Lives... Date: 23 Jul 1997 00:18:38 -0500 No, not the one we ususally discuss, but its namesake the USS Constitution. "Old Ironsides. Not only does she live, On Monday, she made weigh under her own sail power for the first time in over 110 years. Futhermore she answered salutes from her more modern sisters with blasts from her own early 19th Century cannon. Perhaps some of the same cannon, bu t in any case fired from the same deck, that fired at the Barbary Pirates of Tripoli (now occupied by the Pirate Khadafy). In those days it was "millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute". I would have loved to have seen monday's events, but I have to consol myself with the honor of having walked her decks as she sat in dry dock #1 at the Boston Navy Yard (a National Park Service Site, with the Navy crew of "old ironsides" being tenants), her masts removed and being refurbished, part of her copper bottom removed (much of the original bottom was done by Paul Revere(with help from a passel of apprentices no doubt) , but with old glory proudly waving from her stern (I have pictures to prove it!) For one brief and shinning momemt, America caught a glimpse of the glory that she was, and *will* be again. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: L&J: The Legend of Janet Reno (fwd) Date: 23 Jul 1997 14:57:03 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Reply-To: liberty-and-justice@pobox.com Also from the cas list. Senator Fred Thompson and company have come to the conclusion that the Justice Department under Janet Reno is no longer a "justice" department. Ms. Reno, ever so quick to start investigations into Republicans (such as Rep. Burton) sees no need to appoint a special prosecutor to the expanding Chinese donation scandal. General Reno does not believe that any laws have been broken by the President or Vice President. Of course, those Buddhist monks donating thousands of dollars to the honorable Veep Gore and John (FOB) Huang using the Stephens Group offices to make international calls right after secret briefings does not give one the warm and fuzzies. The sickly Attorney General would rather trade subpoenas with Burton than get to the truth. Her selective ability to enforce the law has already divided the country and, in itself, been the cause of a severe erosion of trust. Ms. Reno's inability to act against specific kinds of crime was apparent from day one. Within the first few months of her tenure Janet managed to burn down a religious compound in Waco, allowed the Clinton White House to abuse the FBI and ignored the wholesale rifling of Vince Fosters office by White House aides. When it came to saving children from being molested her answer was to send in the tanks, and kill all the children. However, when it became apparent that White House aides had lied to the FBI, the General acted swiftly.... To cover Bill Clinton's political posterior. Ms. Reno froze in place like a civil war monument and ignored the growing scandals that should have been prosecuted at once. When the scandals could no longer be ignored... Janet joined in defense of her boss. For example, Justice Department lawyers argued long and hard against having the President testify for the Paula Jones case. Justice Department lawyers also argued long and hard to prevent Special Prosecutor Ken Starr from viewing notes taken by government lawyers on Hillary Clinton. In each case she assigned her best and brightest not to prosecute criminals but to defend a scandal riddled administration. In both cases her arguments were struck down in a heart beat by an ever more skeptical Supreme Court. However, delays invoked by bringing in the Justice Department served to cover-up scandals in progress right as the elections took place. And when there was no defense... She simply ignored the crime. For example, the General ignored the FBI files matter completely despite the fact that crimes had been committed. General Reno had to be dragged, kicking and screaming into the China donation scandal. In fact, evidence of wrong doing had to rubbed into her face before she would recognize it. So, is General Reno pursuing the China links? Does she really care to assign agents to investigate corruption and espionage? Only reluctantly. General Reno has more agents and lawyers assigned to prosecute Joe Camel than John Huang. Even then, the agents assigned to the case cannot seem to find the major players. While Tom Brokaw at NBC managed to interview international fugitive (and FOB) Charlie Trie, Janet Reno's Justice Department has been unable to find their own butts with both hands. Ms Reno has served to inhibit justice and prevent witnesses from testifying. The Justice Department openly stated they would not seek to prosecute the penniless Buddhists who gave Al Gore all that money. Yet, Janet's Justice Department also opposed granting immunity. Does that make sense? It does if you are a partisan defender of Bill Clinton. Janet Reno earned her legacy in the hot ashes of Waco. She is now helping Bill Clinton to create his. 1 if by land, 2 if by sea. Paul Revere - encryption 1775 Charles R. Smith SOFTWAR http://www.us.net/softwar =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Unsub info - send e-mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com, with "unsubscribe liberty-and-justice" in the body (not the subject) Liberty-and-Justice list-owner is Mike Goldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dick_Stephan@krinfo.com (Dick Stephan) Subject: Re: Auto: SAFAN NO. 170. Stop the Illegal Federal Regional P Date: 23 Jul 1997 15:46:48 -0700 I will be out of area until 6 August. Please direct urgent requests to the Product Support Queue, x 8491. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dick_Stephan@krinfo.com (Dick Stephan) Subject: Re: Auto: SLS: Notice of Default by USPS Date: 23 Jul 1997 15:50:31 -0700 I will be out of area until 6 August. Please direct urgent requests to the Product Support Queue, x 8491. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Liberty or Death Subject: Media Bypass Quiz Answers (fwd) Date: 24 Jul 1997 13:00:09 -0700 This is from another list I'm on, in response to a questionnaire from Media Bypass magazine. I think his answers are wonderful. - Monte >(All Caps Are Used To Differentiate And Do Not Imply Shouting - >Laughing Through The Tears, Maybe, But Not Shouting) > > >Dear Media Bypass: > > >I just received your brief survey. Are these TRICK QUESTIONS or >what? I don't think I can seriously answer them. It would just >be too boring. I will try to give you some thoughts on these matters, >however, before the "thought police" take over completely. > > >Question # 1: Do you think President Clinton should be impeached? > >NO. TRY HIM AND IF CONVICTED, SHOOT HIM FOR TREASON. WHILE YOU ARE >AT IT, DON'T FORGET HILLARY, AL AND MEMBERS OF THE TLC / CFR / >BILDEBERGS WHO SERVE IN ELECTED OR APPOINTED PUBLIC OFFICE. > >ALSO INCLUDE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUPPORTED UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACTIONS >AGAINST CITIZENS OF THE 50 STATES ESPECIALLY TO INCLUDE ANY AND >ALL INVOLVED IN CHINAGATE. > >AND BE ABSOLUTELY SURE TO INCLUDE MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY AND LAW >ENFORCEMENT WHO HAVE AIDED AND ABETTED THE CONSPIRACY IN THE CONTROL >OF THE FREE PEOPLE OF THE 50 STATES. > >OH, BY THE WAY, LET THEM HAVE A "FAIR" TRIAL, NOT THE SHOW USUALLY >PUT ON BY THE JUDGES, PROSECUTORS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL >UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE CONSPIRACY. > >OH NO, I ALMOST FORGOT TO INCLUDE THE JUDGES AND LAWYERS WHO HAVE >SOLD OUT TO THE CONSPIRACY. > >WHERE CAN I BUY STOCK IN AN AMMUNITION COMPANY? > > > >Question # 2: Do you think that emergency powers should be taken >away from the President? > >YES, PREFERABLY BEFORE HE IS SHOT. THEN, IT SHOULD BE MADE CLEAR >TO EVERYONE THAT THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR WAR POWERS, >EMERGENCY POWERS, ETC.. EVERYTIME THEY HAVE BEEN USED, THEY HAVE >BEEN IN VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION AND HAVE RESULTED IN INCREASED >TYRANNY. ALL EXECUTIVE ORDERS SHOULD BE VACATED AND ALL >UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS, AGENCIES, ETC. SHOULD BE VOIDED. > > >Question # 3: Do you favor NAFTA? > >NO! I FAVOR THE CONSTITUTION. YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH! > > >Question # 4: Should NAFTA be expanded? > >YES! EXPAND IT USING A BOMB OR OTHER RAPID EXPANSION DEVICE. > > >Question # 5: Should the United States get out of the United Nations? > >NO! THE UNITED NATIONS SHOULD GET OUT OF THE UNITED STATES -- >COMPLETELY! DO IT LIKE IN THE OLD WEST --- GIVE THEM UNTIL SUNDOWN >TO BE OUT OF TOWN! > > >Question # 6: Should our two party political system be ditched? > >WHAT TWO PARTY SYSTEM? WE HAVE THE CONSPIRACY. ARE YOU COUNTING >THE DEAD PEOPLE WHO GOT IN THEIR WAY OR THE GUTLESS POLITICIANS TOO >AFRAID TO ACT AS THE SECOND PARTY? > > >Question # 7: Should the Federal Reserve System be abolished? > >NO. ASSETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE SHOULD BE SEIZED UNDER THE RICO >ACT. OWNERS (BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC) SHOULD HAVE ALL THEIR ASSETS >SEIZED AND SHOULD THEN BE TRIED AND IF CONVICTED, SHOT FOR TREASON. > > >Question # 8: Do you think the CPI really measures inflation? > >WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? THE INCREASE IN INCOME IS GOING TO >CONSPIRACY MEMBERS ANYWAY. THE MIDDLE CLASS IS BEING DESTROYED. >OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM HAS MADE SURE THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW >WHAT THE CPI EVEN IS! > > >Question # 9: Do you think that Treaties should override the >Constitution? > >WHAT CONSTITUTION? THE CONSPIRACY DOES NOT ACKNOWLEDGE A >CONSTITUTION. ANY TREATIES WHICH FURTHER ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT >ARE SUPREME REGARDLESS OF WHAT LAWS, HUMAN RIGHTS, ETC. THEY VIOLATE. > >WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS TO OVERRIDE THE REAR ENDS THAT PASSED THESE >TREATIES, TRY THEM FOR TREASON AND IF CONVICTED SHOOT THEM ALSO >(UNLESS THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHOT UNDER ONE OF THE OTHER >CATEGORIES -- NO NEED TO WASTE BULLETS)! > > >Question #10: Do you think China should have Most Favored Nation >status? > >MOST FAVORED FOR WHAT? PERSECUTION? TORTURE? TYRANNY? THEIR >DESIRE FOR ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT? SHOULD CLINTON GET MOST FAVORED >PRESIDENT STATUS? > >WAIT! THERE IS ONE USE OF THE WORD "FAVOR" WHICH MIGHT QUALIFY >BOTH FOR "MOST FAVORED"! > > >Question #11: Should the U.S. have any favorite nations? > >YES. I THINK THE 50 STATES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED (AFTER ALL THEY >ARE SUPPOSED TO BE INDEPENDENT NATIONS UNITED ONLY WITH REGARD TO >SPECIFIED COMMON INTERESTS) AFTER THE CONSPIRACY IS REMOVED FROM >STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT. (MORE TRIALS AND BULLETS!) > > >Question #12: Do you favor a new income tax? > >WAS THERE A OLD INCOME TAX OTHER THAN IN WASHINGTON DC, PUERTO RICO, >ETC.? I JUST THOUGHT THERE WAS ORGANIZED EXTORTION IN THE 50 STATES. > > >A value added tax (VAT)? > >WHAT VALUE IS GOING TO BE ADDED FOR THE ADDITIONAL TAX? WHO IS GOING >TO ADD IT? (WHERE DO THESE PEOPLE COME UP WITH THESE WORDS?!) > > >A National Sales tax? > >HOW MANY SALES TAXES SHOULD WE PAY? THERE IS PLENTY OF MONEY TO RUN >THE CONSTITUTIONAL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITHOUT ONE PENNY OF "INCOME >TAX" OR ANY ADDITIONAL TAXES OF ANY KIND. > >WHY IS IT THAT WE GET CAUGHT UP IN DISCUSSIONS OF ALTERNATIVE TAX >SYSTEMS WHEN THE QUESTION SHOULD BE WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE CRIMINALS >WHO HAVE STOLEN TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THROUGH >EXTORTION AND HAVE PLEDGED THE ASSETS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FOR A >NATIONAL DEBT (FULLY FUNDED) EXCEEDING $100,000 PER ADULT IN THIS >COUNTRY? > - Monte ------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh Lord, lead us into Your Glory - bathe us in the holy & pure light of Your Spirit; let Your righteous fire burn away all that is in us that is not of You, so that we might worship the Living God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength. Amen. ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.proliberty.com/observer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dick_Stephan@krinfo.com (Dick Stephan) Subject: Re: Auto: Media Bypass Quiz Answers (fwd) Date: 24 Jul 1997 13:08:54 -0700 I will be out of area until 6 August. Please direct urgent requests to the Product Support Queue, x 8491. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: 2001: "A Space Odyssey" Or "Lost In Space"? (fwd) Date: 25 Jul 1997 08:50:27 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Exegesis A Weekly Forum Encouraging Moral Excellence =20 =09=09=09=09 =09=09=09 =20 Published Worldwide from Washington July 25, 1997 _________________________________________________ =20 2001: "A Space Odyssey" Or "Lost In Space"? Two quarrels almost tied for the Stupid Argument of the Week award.=20 One was a quarrel about whether a sick Russian or an untrained American (who is actually British) should have the responsibility of repairing the crippled Mir Space Station. After a heated argument, a compromise was reached: they decided not to make any real changes at all. Mir is being left exactly as it is drifting along doing very little, and the necessary repairs have been postponed. A new crew will be sent to tackle the problem, while the existing crew are to remain as caretakers. =20 Meanwhile on Capitol Hill, the other quarrel was about who should have the responsibility of leading the Republican Party to carry out the reforms they were elected to initiate. After a heated argument, a compromise was reached: they decided not to make any real changes at all, and Congress is being left exactly as it was, drifting along doing very little, and the necessary reforms have been postponed. And undoubtedly, unless something changes, a new crew will be sent by the voters next year to tackle the problem, while the existing crew remain as caretakers. By a narrow margin, the Congressional Republicans are the winners of this week's Stupid Argument award. It is both stupid and sad. For America's sake the Republicans must get their act together. Michigan Governor John Engler has called for a special conference to decide on an agenda. It's a little late for that, and besides, they already have one, Newt Gingrich's college course, Renewing American Civilization, which provided a very feasible blueprint for the restoration of American values, culture and enterprise. The only public discussion of the course to date has been the irrelevant distraction of who paid for it. Dr. Gingrich remains the Eminence Grise of the Republicans whatever other role he plays: he possesses a unique vision. Having ironically found himself under attack by his colleagues for his apparent tardiness in implementing that vision, he was cheered and applauded enthusiastically last night at a private meeting of Republican House Members. Yes, progress has been frustratingly slow, but tax and spending cuts and a balanced budget are on the way. Yet where are the abolished Government Departments we were promised? The Flat Tax? The end of the IRS?=20 Education reform? How about a few dramatic Thatcherite gestures?=20 There again, do any of the pseudo-leaders have a blueprint to offer? =20 If so, we are eager to hear it. If not, they must get on with the task they were elected to do and forget any thoughts of fratricide. =20 If nothing changes, the Republicans will lose the House next year, which might at least awaken their dormant sense of purpose. If the voters must exact punishment, it would be better done in 1998 than in 2000, when the GOP will regain the White House. If they have Congress too, there would be an unparalleled opportunity to institute real change in America. We endorse part of Governor Engler's suggestion:=20 before the pre-election months are consumed with fundraising and campaigning, those who lead the Republican Party and those who aspire to do so should take themselves off to a quiet week-long retreat, invite Margaret Thatcher to join them, and there create and resolve to implement a new Contract with America, based on Renewing American Civilization, run on that platform in 2000 and then enact what they promise. =20 The Republicans are not short of ideas for change, but have apparently lacked the courage to burst open the system and implement those changes. Maybe the time has come to look beyond the two main parties for inspiration: many good ideas flourish outside. Yet it is an unspoken Washington rule that one never discusses other parties without a disdainful comment and above all, one never tells the truth about why so little ever changes in America. However, the drift has gone on for so long that somebody has to speak up and say what must be said.=20 Exegesis is pleased to do so.=20 America's ruling elite may desire and maintain the status quo by controlling the media and other interests, but the time is coming when 260 million people can no longer be held hostage to those desires.=20 Despots can run a country by force, but when moral authority is absent, they cannot continue to do so indefinitely, for privilege and responsibility go together. Yet America has been reduced to a two-party state where excellence and innovation are eschewed in favor of decline and mediocrity, because the ruling elite have no interest in change. They encourage controlled chaos and drift, provided the status quo is not infringed, while they distract and entertain the masses with the perpetual nothink of what passes for media. If this situation prevailed in a developing nation, the West would be the first to condemn it, so why accept it in the US? Because most folks don't realize it is happening. America has been seduced into a trivia trance. Those Republicans who genuinely want change have found themselves in a rigged contest with an unprincipled White House, whose media public-relations machine serves both as arbiter and antagonist by trying to conceal the fact that the Democrats ran out of both ideas and courage years ago. CNN, a central part of that machine, provided an insight this week. The Washington Times reports that, questioned on their failure to cover the Senate Fundraising Hearings, a spokesman said he rejects "with some anger" any accusation that CNN's decisions on coverage are politically motivated. Oh, surely you jest? Or is it conceivably possible that the only folks who can't see the bias are those inside the building? =20 Alan Keyes, Exegesis Man of the Year, said on his radio show Tuesday:=20 "The Republicans have passed nothing and fought for nothing. They have lost their guts and as a result, they're not standing up to this President; they're not sending him any of the legislation that should be on their agenda, and therefore he doesn't have to veto it. They need leadership. They need courage. They need a sense of belief that they are there to serve the people and those things that will restore the moral principles and practical basis of self-government in this country. The historic opportunity that developed over the last twenty years is being thrown away because they give in to the degenerate propaganda media's editorializing and their verbiage, pushing them further and further from the conservative principles they ought to be serving." The media, which despises Christian values, are making a sport of encouraging dissent in the Republican leadership. Given the level of frustration, a revolt was inevitable but everyone needs to calm down and focus. "In all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us." (Romans 8:37) More will be accomplished by encouragement and prayer than by blame and revenge. The drift through space can be transformed into a purposeful odyssey, before and after 2001. =87 Steve Myers =D7 Editor ________________________________________________________________________ ExTel Hundreds of readers have visited our web page at http://www.sm.org/extel and are saving a fortune by signing up for our Long-Distance Phone Service. 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We'll organize it for you quickly, cheaply and easily. http://www.sm.org/travel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dick_Stephan@krinfo.com (Dick Stephan) Subject: Re: Auto: 2001: "A Space Odyssey" Or "Lost In Space"? (fwd) Date: 25 Jul 1997 07:08:41 -0700 I will be out of area until 6 August. Please direct urgent requests to the Product Support Queue, x 8491. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boydk@wrq.com Subject: Re: 2001: "A Space Odyssey" Or "Lost In Space"? (fwd) Date: 25 Jul 1997 10:50:36 -0700 Part of the previous message said: "We endorse part of Governor Engler's suggestion: before the pre-election months are consumed with fundraising and campaigning, those who lead the Republican Party and those who aspire to do so should take themselves off to a quiet week-long retreat, invite Margaret Thatcher to join them, and there create and resolve to implement a new Contract with America, based on Renewing American Civilization, run on that platform in 2000 and then enact what they promise. The Republicans are not short of ideas for change, but have apparently lacked the courage to burst open the system and implement those changes." Then Boyd retorted: What I get here is the writer sees the screaming necessity for the republican party to grow a spine, but then in the paragraph above he seems to say it's okledy dokeldy for real action to wait until after the 2000 election. Well, as a republican area chair and precinct officer (speaking only for myself) I've about been "retreat"ed, meetinged, talked contracted and inspired to -death-. Republicans ceased recieving any money from me last year. They currently get my sweat and time because I made a commitment when accepting these positions. But frankly that is given grudgingly. Go off for a week if ya wanna but don't talk to me about it like it's some kinda accomplishment. -Show-me-the-cuts-! Until then I will continue channeling what money I used to give republicans to the Libertarian Party, and RKBA causes. Hope I can continue without resigning a few positions. Boyd Kneeland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: TWA800: FBI's Rigged Logic (fwd) Date: 24 Jul 1997 06:42:22 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________ (free to copy nonprofit with attribute) ------------------------------------- T H E F B I 's R I G G E D L O G I C (c) 1997 Ian Williams Goddard THE FBI's TWA 800 investigation is being directed by an outdated, ineffective, and flawed standard of logic. FBI agent James Kallstrom defined the black-and-white fallacy of Aristotelian logic the FBI is applying in their investigation of the TWA 800 crash [1]: "You don't have a little bit of forensics... It doesn't go from 0 to 50 percent, it goes from 0 to 100." Kallstrom is saying that a given piece of wreckage is either 100% evidence of a crime or it is 0% evidence of a crime, it is never a fraction of 100%, such as 20% or 60% evidence of a crime. That expresses the standard of Aristotelian logic: X is either A or not A, X is not both A and not A at the same time. That Aristotelian standard of logic is, however, most often false. SAY HELLO TO FUZZY LOGIC Fuzzy logic is the cutting edge in the field of logic. Fuzzy logic establishes that there are degrees of truth with respect to a given statement and physical facts. If I say that a glass of water that is 70% full is "a full glass," that is 70% true (hence the statement is both true (70%) and not true (30%) at the same time). [2] If, in accord with Aristotelian standards, we say that because the glass is not 100% full, the statement "it's a full glass" is therefore 0% true, then we discard 100% of the truth about physical facts that the statement does contain, which is 70% of the truth it claims to contain. The fuzzy-logic conclusion "Statement X = 70% true" tells us more about physical facts than the "X = 0% true" con- clusion of Aristotelian logic. Fuzzy is more accurate. The Aristotelian standard of logic the FBI applies dictates that if the wreckage of TWA 800 contained evidence that sat- isfied the standard "100% evidence of a missile hit" by 95%, such that there was 95% evidence of a missile hit, then the FBI would, by the rules Kallstrom has stipulated, declare that there is 0% evidence of a missile hit, since if there is not 100%, then there can only be 0% evidence. I would say that the TWA 800 wreckage satisfies the standard "100% evidence of a missile hit" by a very high degree: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/crash.htm IN CONCLUSION With Aristotelian logic in hand, the FBI can (a) sweep 99% of the truth under the rug, (b) claim there is 0% evidence of a missile hit, and (c) still claim to be truthful, where a "truthful conclusion" is defined as one derived from the flawed black-and-white standards of Aristotelian logic. I believe that's exactly what the FBI is doing, and here's the evidence: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm ******************************************************************* Visit Ian Williams Goddard ------> http://www.erols.com/igoddard ___________________________________________________________________ [1] THE BOSTON GLOBE: Recovery of Debris From 747 is Made a Priority. By Pamela Ferdinand and Ellen O'Brien, July 29, 1996. Go to: http://www.globe.com/globe/search/ enter "747" select 1996, 50, oldest to newest. [2] LINKS TO FUZZY LOGIC Fuzzy Logic Newsgroup: comp.ai.fuzzy Fuzzy Logic Web-pages: Lessons in: http://www.flll.uni-linz.ac.at/fuzzy/fuzzy.html Tutorial: http://life.csu.edu.au/complex/tutorials/fuzzy.html Overview: http://darwin1.ucsd.edu/connect/articles/success/logic.html Defined: http://tima-cmp.imag.fr/Homepages/firas/fuzzy.html & Neural Networks: http://www.vjf.com/pub/docs/neural.html A fuzzy business: http://www.itri.loyola.edu/kb/c5_s4.htm Fuzzy Logic ftp sites: cair.kaist.ac.kr, ftp.hiof.no ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BludyRed@aol.com Subject: Re: Media Bypass Quiz Answers Date: 26 Jul 1997 15:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Liberty or Death fwds: >>>This is from another list I'm on, in response to a questionnaire from Media Bypass magazine. I think his answers are wonderful. - - Monte >>(All Caps Are Used To Differentiate And Do Not Imply Shouting - Laughing Through The Tears, Maybe, But Not Shouting) Dear Media Bypass: I just received your brief survey. Are these TRICK QUESTIONS or what? I don't think I can seriously answer them. It would just be too boring. I will try to give you some thoughts on these matters, however, before the "thought police" take over completely.<<.< Monte, I forsee a slight problem. I we shoot all the people that need shooting, we will shortly run out of bullets and our population will become somewhat depleted. We will not have a sufficient workforce to make the bullets necessary to continue with the shooting. I propose a slight temporary procedural alteration. All condom giveaway programs in schools and abortions will cease forthwith. This will enable population recovery, necessitated by all the previous shootings. In the interim all those bureaucrats, politicians, freeloaders, freedom stealers and assorted undesireables will be put to work repairing our highway system, cleaning toxic dump sites, and disposing of spent nuclear material. When our population has sufficiently recovered to again permit full exercise of the free enterprise system, and the restaffing of our ammunition factories, the shootings can recommence on those few undesireables remaining. This technique has the added advantage of providing an object lesson to those who would contemplate such future socialistic tendencies. The blackened skin and green pus oozing sores of the prior batch of former waste removal employed statists should be sufficient incentive to prevent future transgressions. Just trying to be helpful. I really do care, you know. Best regards, Dennis Baron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Let's Take Back Our NRA! Date: 26 Jul 1997 12:37:07 -0700 (PDT) [From Joel Friedman, mochi1@ix.netcom.com] Dear Fellow Firearms Activists As some of may you know, I have been trying to get 3 petitions circulated and signed to change the bylaws of the National Rifle Association. Many of you have asked me to post the petitions on the internet so that it would be easier for everyone immediately to read these petitions, as well as to send copies of them to fellow NRA members. While I acknowledge that I am somewhat stubborn, I am also educable. The realities of the scope of this project, and the needs of many of the activists, have shown me that doing this by regular mail is difficult, if not impossible. Therefore, in this letter, I am putting the 3 petitions in electronic form. After reading these petitions, if any of you would like to help gather signatures for the proposed bylaw changes, there are several things that you need to know. Each petition must be on a separate sheet of paper. Everything written--including the lines for signatures--must fit on one side of the sheet of paper. The size of type and font you use to print out each petition will probably affect the number of signature lines. Please make any necessary adjustments --but ONLY TO THE SIGNATURE LINES--so that each petition always fits on one side on a single sheet. Any changes made to the text portion of the petitions makes them a DIFFERENT petition, and therefore subject to the same rules that apply to all petitions: it will void them, making them worthless. All the petitions below that I have printed out on my own printer have required me to use legal size paper. This has given me the room necessary for the text and has also allowed the signature/information line to be only ONE line long (as opposed to several lines, like the signature / information liner appear in this post). Below is a copy of most of the original internet post (letter) I sent out previously, with a few minor changes. I have also included brief explanations of the necessity, in my opinion, of each petition. The final 3 sections of this letter are composed of the petitions themselves. If you choose to participate, please keep in mind and follow two critically important, logistical instructions. First, the membership number MUST be next to each member's signature, or the signature will be worthless; and, second, the petitions must be in the NRA Secretary's hands BEFORE OR ON September 1st--or they will not be counted. Thank you for your time and help. Joel Friedman Benefactor Member e-mail mochi1@ix.netcom.com --- ORIGINAL INTERNET POST (May 11, 1997) "ONE SIMPLE REQUEST" This post is about the NRA's bylaws and the changes that we, the members, must make to bring the association back into the hands of the membership. Like many of you, I have been an activist busy trying to protect our firearms rights. I have not given a lot of attention to the how's and why's of the internal workings of our association. I have complained when things did not go the way I thought they should, but I have been too busy with the ongoing "fight" to let my disappointments fester. Now, all this has changed for me. Recent events have caused me take a long, hard look at our association, and I have tried to look at it as impartially as possible. However, no matter how I look at our association, there is one basic fact that is inescapable. We the members have almost no say in what goes on. A prime example is the election of the Executive Vice President of our association. This is the single most important job at the NRA. Over the years, we the members have given away our rights to have a say in this area. A wise person asked me, "Would you let your Congress elect your President?" I answered no. The person then said, "So why would you let your Board of Directors elect your Executive Vice President?" This perspective really got me to thinking, and doing some research into our bylaws. We have the power to change the present setup, as well as other things we do not like. We have to want to change it because it requires a lot of us to do it. It takes 500 eligible-to-vote members to sign a petition and have it back at the NRA Secretary's desk by September 1st. I am distributing this post because I am looking for 500 voting members who want to do something to help bring the power in our organization back to the members where it belongs--and away from the few who presently have it. Let's show those who think we don't care enough about our association that they are mistaken. Lets make some changes that really matter. Now. Sincerely, Joel Friedman --- EXPLANATION FOR EACH PETITION: PETITION #1. The first petition is about electing the NRA Executive Vice President. In 1985, we the members gave up our power to elect the EVP. Now is the time to take this power back! I would not let my Congress choose my President, so why should we let the Board choose our leader? It is my understanding that the reason we lost the power was because there was a vague fear that some anti-gun group might come to the NRA annual meetings and put their own person in the EVP job, and then ruin the organization. For a number of reasons, the petition for this proposed bylaw change would not allow this scenario to happen First, the voting would be by ballot, and would therefore require any element wishing to destroy our organization to buy--at minimum--30,000 life memberships at $750 each (23 million dollars). Second, the anti-gun group would have to come up with many thousands of dollars to run an election campaign. Finally, the anti-gun group would have to fool the majority of the voting members into believing that all the other candidates were not the right ones for the betterment of the organization. Is this scenario POSSIBLE? Yes. Anything, of course, is possible. It is "possible" the sun might not come up tomorrow morning--but it is not "probable." In other words, the scenario of an election stolen by anti-gunners is extremely improbable. I personally do not think it will EVER happen. However, if you disagree, then it would be better for you NOT to sign this first petition. PETITION #2. The second petition is about changing the percentage of NRA Board members necessary to make a bylaw change. NRA bylaws are like a constitution. We all know how difficult it is to change the U.S. Constitution. But why is it presently so EASY to change the bylaws of the NRA? The bylaws are being changed at almost every Board meeting. Even "Roberts Rules of Order" say a bylaw change should require a super majority (2/3 of the Board). The time has arrived to change our NRA bylaws to say that it should take at least TWO-THIRDS (2/3) of the Board of Directors to approve any change in our bylaws. There is also a provision in this petition that allows for an emergency. If it becomes necessary to change a bylaw immediately, a 3/4 vote by the Board of Directors can change a bylaw AT ANY TIME (otherwise, bylaws can only be changed at a specified Board meeting, as noted in the petition). While a 3/4 vote is not an easy thing accomplish, it does allow our organization to function without interruption in the event something unusual might occur. Again, if you do not agree with this, then it would be better for you not to sign the second petition. PETITION #3. The third petition is derived from a discovery I recently made that truly shocked me. According to my understanding of current NRA Board policy, any and all resolutions that are passed at the Annual meeting of Members are NOT allowed to be discussed at the Board meetings! This is 180 degrees opposite of what I had previously believed. I erroneously thought that all the resolutions we pass at our Annual Meetings were first discussed by the Board, and then voted on. But this is NOT the case! I believe that we the members must mandate that resolutions must be discussed at Board meetings. (Again, if you do not agree with this, it would be better for you not to sign this petition.) In summary, if you agree with one, several, or all of the enclosed petitions, please make copies and try to get as many signatures as soon as possible. This project is truly a grassroots effort. I am NOT getting any help from anyone--except from you, and those who feel just as you do. I believe in WE THE MEMBERS. And I believe that WE THE MEMBERS must make these important changes. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Sincerely, Joel Friedman --- PETITION NUMBER # 1 PETITION OF NRA MEMBERS: PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE V OF THE BYLAWS OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA To change the way the National Rifle Associations' Executive Vice President is selected and elected Purpose: To give the membership control over the election of The Executive Vice President and also to create a means for others wishing to seek that position to run 1. Pursuant the provisions of Art. XV, section 4 (Amendments by Mail by the Membership), Subparagraphs (b) and (e) [pages 44 & 45 of the September 14, 1996 edition], regarding proposals for changes to the Bylaws submitted by Petition of Members: We, the undersigned eligible members of the National Rifle Association of America, do hereby petition for Amendments to the NRA Bylaws as follows: a. That the Secretary of the NRA prepare a ballot bylaw amendment(s) showing any and all the necessary changes required to amend the current bylaws from there current state to a condition whereby the election of the EVP shall be conducted by mail ballot at the time of the ballot elections of the Board of Directors for a three (3) year term. b. That this amendment(s) shall also include any and all modifications necessary to insure that all NRA members eligible to vote shall be the only ones to elect the EVP by a majority vote of the ballots submitted during that election cycle, and the members choice, without claim, shall be binding on the National Rifle Association of America. c. That the current EVP. as an incumbent, shall have his/her name automatically entered as a candidate for reelection. That The EVP position shall also be open to any and all person wishing to be elected to this office providing, that all said persons shall be lifetime members of the NRA and have accompanying their request to be entered on the ballot, signed petitions stating these intentions. Such petitions must bear the signatures, names, membership identification numbers and addresses of no less than 500 members eligible to vote and must be received by the Secretary no later than October 1st. of the year prior the mailing of the ballot. e. That this bylaw amendment, if accepted, can only be changed, modified, and/or amended by a majority vote of the NRA Members eligible to vote, by mail ballot,in the manner hereinabove described. f. That any and all changes to the bylaws as a result of any and all petitions submitted during the same period as this petition shall have no effect on the implementation of this bylaw change should it be adopted by a majority vote of the ballots submitted during this single election cycle. Signers must be Life Members or annual Members for 5 or more consecutive years. Those who sign must include their NRA Membership Identification Number, Name, and Address, date of signing and signature or the signer will be invalid MEMBERSHIP IDENTIFICATION NUMBER ______________ NRA MEMBERSHIP NAME AS LISTED IN NRA FILES _________________________ NRA MEMBERSHIP ADDRESS AS LISTED IN NRA FILES (STREET, CITY, STATE, ZIP CODE) _________________________________________________ SIGNATURE ____________________________ DATE _______________ RETURN TO: NRA Secretary, 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, Virginia 22030, by September 1, 1997 --- PETITION NUMBER # 2 PETITION OF NRA MEMBERS: PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE XV OF THE BYLAWS OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA TO LIMIT THE AUTHORITY OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO AMEND THE NRA BYLAWS Purpose: To stop the constant changing of the Bylaws by the Board of Directors, for political and unnecessary reasons. To eliminate the financial expense required to revise and reprint new editions of the Bylaws, as a result of the constant changes almost every Board meeting. 1. Pursuant the provisions of Art. XV, section 4 (Amendments by Mail by the Membership), Subparagraphs (b) and (e) [pages 44 & 45 of the September 14, 1996 edition], regarding proposals for changes to the Bylaws submitted by Petition of Members: We, the undersigned eligible members of the National Rifle Association of America, do hereby petition for Amendment to Section 1 of Article xv [page 43 of the officially printed Bylaws] by adding a new subparagraph 1(a) as follows: 2 (a) Any proposed changes to these Bylaws by the Board of Directors must be timely introduced and considered in accordance with all other provisions of this Article, but must be considered for adoption only at the Winter meeting of the Board of Directors, unless authorized by a three-fourths vote of the the entire Board of Directors for consideration at another meeting of the Board, the intent being to discourage constant change to the Bylaws and to limit amendments by the Board to only one time per year. 3. And pursuant to the usual requirements prescribed and recommended by Roberts Rules Of Order Newly Revised, we also hereby petition for Amendment of Section 1 and 2 of Article XV [page 43] to strike the words "a majority and insert "two thirds" (on line three of Sec. 1 line three of Sec. 2 (a) and line 4 of Sec. 2(b). 4. The above changes shall take effect immediately following the repairs to the NRA Bylaws which return them to the condition as existed on January 1, 1995. Signers must be Life Members or annual Members for 5 or more consecutive years. Those who sign must include their NRA Membership Identification Number, Name, and Address, date of signing and signature or the signer will be invalid MEMBERSHIP IDENTIFICATION NUMBER ______________ NRA MEMBERSHIP NAME AS LISTED IN NRA FILES _________________________ NRA MEMBERSHIP ADDRESS AS LISTED IN NRA FILES (STREET, CITY, STATE, ZIP CODE) _________________________________________________ SIGNATURE ____________________________ DATE _______________ RETURN TO: NRA Secretary, 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, Virginia 22030, by September 1, 1997 --- PETITION NUMBER # 3 PETITION OF NRA MEMBERS: PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE III OF THE BYLAWS OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA To change the way the National Rifle Associations' Board of Directors addresses members resolutions Purpose: To change the Board of Directors ruling on review of resolutions passed at the Annual meeting of the members 1. Pursuant the provisions of Art. XV, section 4 (Amendments by Mail by the Membership), Subparagraphs (b) and (e) [pages 44 & 45 of the September 14, 1996 edition], regarding proposals for changes to the Bylaws submitted by Petition of Members: We, the undersigned eligible members of the National Rifle Association of America, do hereby petition for Amendments to the NRA Bylaws as follows: a. That the Secretary of the NRA prepare a ballot bylaw amendment(s) that will create a subsection to Article III section 8 hereinafter known as (e) b. The Secretary shall also insure that subsection (e) shall be properly worded so as to insure that any and all resolutions that are passed by a majority vote of the members eligible to vote at any and all annual meetings of the members as described in Article III Section 8 (a) and/or any and all Special Meetings of Members as described in Article III Section 8 (b) shall be brought before the Board of Directors at their next meeting (as described in Article IV Section 3 (a), (b), (c), (d) inclusive) immediately after any of these said resolution(s) have passed, but in no way shall this time period be more than 150 days after these said resolutions have passed. c. The bylaw amendment shall also insure that these said resolutions shall be read by the President during the meeting under the agenda heading "new business", but in no way may the meeting be adjourned without these hereinabove stated motions being brought up. d. The bylaw shall also insure that after the resolution is read, it shall not require a second and debate shall begin. The resolutions must be voted on and the results of these votes shall be published in the official journal within 90 days of the vote. Each board members name and how they voted shall also be published in the official journal at the same time. e. That this bylaw amendment, if accepted, can only be changed, modified, and/or amended by a majority vote of the NRA Members eligible to vote, by mail ballot. f. That any and all changes to the bylaws as a result of any and all petitions submitted during the same period as this petition shall have no effect on the implementation of this bylaw change should it be adopted by a majority vote of the ballots submitted during this single election cycle. Signers must be Life Members or annual Members for 5 or more consecutive years. Those who sign must include their NRA Membership Identification Number, Name, and Address, date of signing and signature or the signer will be invalid. MEMBERSHIP IDENTIFICATION NUMBER ______________ NRA MEMBERSHIP NAME AS LISTED IN NRA FILES _________________________ NRA MEMBERSHIP ADDRESS AS LISTED IN NRA FILES (STREET, CITY, STATE, ZIP CODE) _________________________________________________ SIGNATURE ____________________________ DATE _______________ RETURN TO: NRA Secretary, 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, Virginia 22030, by September 1, 1997 [end.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lew Glendenning Subject: Re: 2001: "A Space Odyssey" Or "Lost In Space"? (fwd) Date: 26 Jul 1997 14:25:27 -0700 boydk@wrq.com wrote: > > > Part of the previous message said: > "We endorse part of Governor Engler's suggestion: before the > pre-election months are consumed with fundraising and campaigning, > those who lead the Republican Party and those who aspire to do so > should take themselves off to a quiet week-long retreat, invite > Margaret Thatcher to join them, and there create and resolve to > implement a new Contract with America, based on Renewing American > Civilization, run on that platform in 2000 and then enact what they > promise. > > The Republicans are not short of ideas for change, but have > apparently lacked the courage to burst open the system and > implement those changes." > > Then Boyd retorted: > What I get here is the writer sees the screaming necessity for the > republican party to grow a spine, but then in the paragraph above he seems > to say it's okledy dokeldy for real action to wait until after the 2000 > election. Well, as a republican area chair and precinct officer (speaking > only for myself) I've about been "retreat"ed, meetinged, talked contracted > and inspired to -death-. Republicans ceased recieving any money from me > last year. They currently get my sweat and time because I made a commitment > when accepting these positions. But frankly that is given grudgingly. Go > off for a week if ya wanna but don't talk to me about it like it's some > kinda accomplishment. -Show-me-the-cuts-! Until then I will continue > channeling what money I used to give republicans to the Libertarian Party, > and RKBA causes. Hope I can continue without resigning a few positions. > Boyd Kneeland You acknowledge the Republicans are a lost cause, and go on working for them? Suggest you put your energy where it might have some effect -- the Libertarian Party. Doesn't matter if you, Boyd, stand for something or not. The Republican Party doesn't, and most Republicans don't. Even better, we need a "Sortition Amendment" to the Constitution. Abolish elections, which have the unfortunate side-effect of establishing a professional, semi-hereditary political class, and randomly choose all elected officials from the voting public. Ditto for juries, who shall be Fully-Informed. A few other amendments like that and we could have a stable system again. Lew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Dolan Subject: Re: TWA800: FBI's Rigged Logic (fwd) Date: 27 Jul 1997 01:57:58 -0400 (EDT) I would respond to the errors in this post, but someone else has already done so with much more eloquence than I could muster: #Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:02:20 +0000 #From: Scott Holleran #To: FLIGHT-800@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM #Subject: Re: TWA800: FBI's Rigged Logic 23 July 1997 Dear Mr. Goddard: I totally disagree with your rejection of Aristotelian logic, and your evaluation that the FBI's investigative methods are Aristotelian. The opposite is true. For one thing, there are no degrees of truth. In the case of the crash of TWA flight 800, truth is what happened. Either flight 800 was hit by a missile or it was not and there are no degrees of that -- When TWA flight 800 crashed, it did not crash in percentages. And that is an absolute. I am aware that the dominant philosophy of the 20th century is Platonic, God help us, and that relativism has invaded every field of philosophy from metaphysics ("well, maybe the missile is there and maybe it's not") to ethics ("murder is wrong to me, but who am I to judge others' views? Maybe murder is OK to others, hell, maybe rape is OK in some cultures, too"). Aristotle is right; there are absolutes, in both reality and morality and anyone who doubts this can try to walk through a concrete wall sometime -- or apply for a teaching position at a major university, where your views will be eagerly accepted. A dog can not be a dog and a cat at the same time. In other words, A is A. A can not be A and non-A at the same time. Relativism, such as a glass being both full and empty at the same time, is as absurd as some of the flight 800 investigation theories. Because a portion of the glass is full and a portion is empty does not mean that the glass contains water is in dispute. Blaming the FBI's incompetence -- or alleged cover-up -- on Aristotelian logic is utterly backwards. The FBI is applying the same fuzzy logic principles you advocate. Their irrational investigative philosophy that, if there is no incontrovertible evidence of a bomb or missile, then, it follows that the cause must be mechanical is completely Platonic and anti-conceptual. Reason and logic lead to truth. Every element of the government's obfuscation in this investigation points to the opposite of reason, from its alleged washing down of the wreckage and disregard for thorough investigative techniques to its bumbling communications. Boy have you got it wrong, Ian Goddard, in a big way. Check out your own Web site for an example of clear, black and white, A is A thinking and think again--your whole presentation of the facts is based on Aristotelain logic, not fuzzy crap. In fact, your own posting is constructed in an Aristotelian method, too. Doubt it? Try applying this fuzzy crap--I can't call it logic--to your own Web site material; you'd go nowhere fast. For example, "well, maybe the P3 carries missiles and then, again, maybe not" or "70 percent of the witnesses saw a flare and 30 percent said they saw a missile; therefore, 70 percent of flight 800 was destroyed by a flare." Conjecture is useless in the end if we want to learn what happened to that airplane. We'll have to deal with facts -- absolute truths -- the determine the truth about the crash. Fuzzing up the truth is something worse than useless; it's anti-truth. Sincerely, Scott Holleran sholleran@earthlink.net On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 pwatson@utdallas.edu wrote: > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:23:37 -0400 > From: Ian Goddard > To: Flight-800@home.ease.lsoft.com > Subject: TWA800: FBI's Rigged Logic > > _____________________________________ > (free to copy nonprofit with attribute) > ------------------------------------- > > > T H E F B I 's R I G G E D L O G I C > > > (c) 1997 Ian Williams Goddard > > THE FBI's TWA 800 investigation is being directed by > an outdated, ineffective, and flawed standard of logic. > FBI agent James Kallstrom defined the black-and-white > fallacy of Aristotelian logic the FBI is applying in > their investigation of the TWA 800 crash [1]: > > "You don't have a little bit of > forensics... It doesn't go from 0 > to 50 percent, it goes from 0 to 100." > > Kallstrom is saying that a given piece of wreckage is > either 100% evidence of a crime or it is 0% evidence > of a crime, it is never a fraction of 100%, such as 20% > or 60% evidence of a crime. That expresses the standard > of Aristotelian logic: X is either A or not A, X is not > both A and not A at the same time. That Aristotelian > standard of logic is, however, most often false. > > > SAY HELLO TO FUZZY LOGIC > > Fuzzy logic is the cutting edge in the field of logic. > Fuzzy logic establishes that there are degrees of truth > with respect to a given statement and physical facts. If > I say that a glass of water that is 70% full is "a full > glass," that is 70% true (hence the statement is both > true (70%) and not true (30%) at the same time). [2] > > If, in accord with Aristotelian standards, we say that > because the glass is not 100% full, the statement "it's > a full glass" is therefore 0% true, then we discard 100% > of the truth about physical facts that the statement does > contain, which is 70% of the truth it claims to contain. > > The fuzzy-logic conclusion "Statement X = 70% true" tells > us more about physical facts than the "X = 0% true" con- > clusion of Aristotelian logic. Fuzzy is more accurate. > > The Aristotelian standard of logic the FBI applies dictates > that if the wreckage of TWA 800 contained evidence that sat- > isfied the standard "100% evidence of a missile hit" by > 95%, such that there was 95% evidence of a missile hit, > then the FBI would, by the rules Kallstrom has stipulated, > declare that there is 0% evidence of a missile hit, since > if there is not 100%, then there can only be 0% evidence. > > I would say that the TWA 800 wreckage satisfies the > standard "100% evidence of a missile hit" by a very > high degree: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/crash.htm > > > IN CONCLUSION > > With Aristotelian logic in hand, the FBI can (a) sweep 99% > of the truth under the rug, (b) claim there is 0% evidence > of a missile hit, and (c) still claim to be truthful, where > a "truthful conclusion" is defined as one derived from the > flawed black-and-white standards of Aristotelian logic. I > believe that's exactly what the FBI is doing, and here's > the evidence: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm > > > ******************************************************************* > Visit Ian Williams Goddard ------> http://www.erols.com/igoddard > ___________________________________________________________________ > > [1] THE BOSTON GLOBE: Recovery of Debris From > 747 is Made a Priority. By Pamela Ferdinand > and Ellen O'Brien, July 29, 1996. Go to: > http://www.globe.com/globe/search/ enter > "747" select 1996, 50, oldest to newest. > > [2] LINKS TO FUZZY LOGIC > > Fuzzy Logic Newsgroup: comp.ai.fuzzy > Fuzzy Logic Web-pages: > Lessons in: http://www.flll.uni-linz.ac.at/fuzzy/fuzzy.html > Tutorial: http://life.csu.edu.au/complex/tutorials/fuzzy.html > Overview: http://darwin1.ucsd.edu/connect/articles/success/logic.html > Defined: http://tima-cmp.imag.fr/Homepages/firas/fuzzy.html > & Neural Networks: http://www.vjf.com/pub/docs/neural.html > A fuzzy business: http://www.itri.loyola.edu/kb/c5_s4.htm > Fuzzy Logic ftp sites: cair.kaist.ac.kr, ftp.hiof.no > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Ferris Subject: One Anonymous Critic's Review of Film "Air Farce One" Date: 28 Jul 1997 06:13:19 -0400 (EDT) THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE (Disassociated Press, July 28, 1997) Hollywood character actor William J. Klinton is starring as "President" in a recently released film concerning the lo-mein-jacking of Air Farce One by Charlie Tree-House, John You-Done-Me-Huang and a group of heavily armed DNC (Demo-lition-crat Nationalist Commando) ninjas. Klinton, a draft dodger from the late 60s and a political anaconda ever since, spends most of the movie selling out members of Air Farce One's crew, loyal Secret Service agents and even his own staff to DNC fanatics who overloaded the cargo bay of the aircraft with tons of unlawful contributions received from foreign sources in an attempt to get the aircraft to spin-doctor out of control into RNC Headquarters. Klinton is reported to be seeking accolades for his role in this new film, after notable successes in such past ventures as "Pay Trina For Games", "Raid Her, Lost In The Dark", "Pauliana Jones and The 'Temporary Pull' of 'Do Him'", "On Diana's Bones, A 'Boss Cruise' In The Shade", "The Few, Get 'Em Ta Give!" and "Regarding Hillary." Klinton expressed some concern during a private interview that Pee Wee Herman, co-starring as his "Vice-President", would receive the most positive press coverage for his on the mark portrayal of Klinton's second in command, and he worried that Herman's scene-stealing would overshadow Klinton's cringing, whining, caterwauling, whimpering, begging, hiding in overhead baggage compartments and sacrificing without hesitation the lives of other Air Farce One frequent flyers during various parts of the film. The Chief of Staff of the Air Force, General Quattas Theezeeznottadreel, when asked if the Air Force had rendered aid during production of the film, would only say, "Actor Klinton's portrayal of the real world user of Air Farce One was right on the Red Chinese Lippo-sucked money. USAF advisors never even had to prompt Klinton about when to act squirrelly, cowardly or when to sell out Air Farce One's crew, his Secret Service detail or his Apple Power book armed yuppie staffers to survive. It was as if actor Klinton were, indeed, the real Commander in Chief. As in the guy from Little Rock living at Motel 1600 in D.C. right now. It was spooky. Most difficult of all was the task of the film's firearms technical advisors who just could not force actor Klinton to handle any of the many AK-47 'Wang Jun guns' which were borrowed from The White House occupant's personal arsenal for filming." When asked for his opinion of the film, the real Vice President stated, "No controlling legal authority prevented me from seeing this film, but if I saw it, I was proud to do so, and you can rest assured that I will never see it again." (Anonymous Critic) THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE Christopher C. Ferris Litchfield NH ferriscc@mainstream.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY (fwd) Date: 28 Jul 1997 07:36:39 -0500 (CDT) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- =============================================== NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 =============================================== For release: July 25, 1997 =============================================== For additional information: George Getz, Deputy Director of Communications Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: 76214.3676@CompuServe.com =============================================== ... From A to Z ... Australia to Zimbabwe ... U.S. troops were sent to 100 nations in '97 WASHINGTON, DC -- Feel threatened by Iceland? Don't worry -- the U.S. military has troops stationed in the tiny island nation to protect us from danger. And just to be on the safe side, we also sent some troops to Qatar...and Madagascar...and Sri Lanka. And Ghana, and Mozambique, and Kazakhstan, and Burma, and Namibia -- and 91 other countries that most Americans can't pronounce, much less locate on a map, the Libertarian Party noted today. "In all, our government sent troops to 100 nations over the past 90 days," said Steve Dasbach, the party's national chairman. "From A to Z -- Australia to Zimbabwe -- American soldiers are roaming the world, doing everything but defending our country." Earlier this summer, the U.S. Army boasted about reaching a "new milestone," with troops deployed in 100 nations around the world, according to a press release issued by the Army's Public Affairs office in Washington, DC. "In other words, American soldiers were deployed in more than half the countries on the globe -- 100 of the world's 197 nations, according to Army figures," said Dasbach. "That isn't a national defense -- it's a national offense. It's an offense against U.S. taxpayers, who are paying huge amounts of money for a global case of military mission creep." The number of countries with a U.S. military presence has fallen slightly this week, to only 92 countries. Over the past 30 days, more than 26,778 U.S. troops were deployed somewhere around the world. And in most of those 92 countries, the deployments had nothing whatsoever to do with U.S. security, noted Dasbach. "Our armed forces have become the world's referee, all-purpose handyman, and heavily armed Good Samaritan," he said. For example, American troops were sent to... * Haiti -- to dig water wells. * Congo -- to evacuate 57 people and one dog. * Morocco -- to supervise a civil war cease-fire. * Cambodia and Laos -- to clear land mines. * Micronesia -- to build a warehouse. * Egypt -- to monitor the Israel/Egypt demilitarized zone. * Belize -- to renovate schools and roads. * Ecuador and Peru -- to monitor a disputed border region. But it gets worse, said Dasbach: "In order to keep our soldiers busy, politicians have decided to make American troops the world's environmental police." For example, the government is now planning to send U.S. troops to 32 Latin American and Caribbean nations -- to guard rain forests in Brazil, protect endangered species in Venezuela, and build nature parks in Colombia. "Can Americans sleep better at night because our soldiers are guarding a South American rain forest?" asked Dasbach. "Is this why Americans each pay $1,000 a year in military taxes?" The solution, said Dasbach, is to change that 100-nation deployment into a one-nation deployment: The United States of America. "Libertarians have a message for politicians and military leaders," he said. "Bring our boys back from Bahrain. Return them from Romania. Pull out of Poland. Withdraw from West Samoa. Depart from Djibouti. Retire from Rwanda. Exit from Ecuador. Vacate Vietnam. Leave Luxembourg. And bid farewell to France. "It's time we stopped sending troops to an alphabet-soup collection of obscure nations around the world. It's time that American troops just defended the USA -- and that doesn't stand for the Ukraine, Singapore, & Australia." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Doc Doc's Page: http://www.public.usit.net/uhclem/ ---- Fully Informed Jury Association: http://www.fija.org/ --- Police Against the New World Order: http://www.police-against-nwo.com/index.htm --- "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws." --Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged ---- Jesus is coming. Look busy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: TWA 800: Navy Drone Debris (fwd) Date: 28 Jul 1997 08:34:28 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________ (free to copy nonprofit with attribute) ------------------------------------- N A V Y M I S S I L E D R O N E D E B R I S F O U N D A T T W A C R A S H S I T E ? (c) 07/28/97 Ian Williams Goddard The Southampton Press [1] reports that on May 13th, Long Island resident Dede Muma accidently received a fax from Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical [2] that was intended for the FBI's office in Calverton, Long Island. The fax indicates that parts of a U.S. Navy missile target drone, a BQM-34 Firebee I [3], may have been found in the wreckage of TWA 800. The reason that Muma accidently received the fax, which she passed on to the Southampton Press, was probably because her fax number is 369-4310, while the FBI's number is 369-4301. About the fax, the Southampton Press states: Official documents faxed mistakenly to a Riverhead resident...show that the Federal Bureau of Investigation...was investigating whether pieces of debris found among the wreckage of TWA Fight 800 were the remnants of an aerial target drone used by the U.S. Navy... The fax shows a diagram of what appears to be a missile, along with a breakdown of its tail section and a parts list... The object shown in the fax was identified this week by Jane's Information Services in Alexandria, Virginia as a Teledyne Ryan BQM-34 Firebee I, an air or surface- launched recoverable aerial target. The targets are used all over the world, including within the military "warning areas" that come as close as about 10 nautical miles off Moriches Inlet in the Atlantic Ocean. The Navy practices shoot- ing down drones within the warning areas. Ms. Muma said she called the FBI when she received the [Firebee] fax... Ms. Muma was told to "send it along to them, [the FBI] and destroy the original." She said she asked what would happen if she didn't do so, and was told "we'll have to investigate you." The source of the fax, Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical of San Diego, CA, manufactures Firebee drones for the Navy. The "Firebee fax" Muma received was sent from Erich Hittinger of Teledyne to FBI agent Ken Maxwell, who was to pass it on to a Teledyne Ryan representative at the FBI's Long Island office, Walt Hamilton. Hittinger of Teledyne Ryan told the Southampton Press that the FBI contacted them to ask if orange pieces of debris found at the TWA 800 crash site were from one of their Firebee drones, which are also orange [3]. Hamilton was then flown from San Diego to the FBI's Long Island facility to examine the suspected Firebee debris. According to Hittinger, Hamilton concluded that the orange metal "wasn't from our Firebee," which suggests that it was from someone's Firebee, but not ours. Question: If your business depended upon government contracts, would you be inclined to prove that the government, your employer, killed people? It could prove to be a fatal business decision. WITH NAVY DRONE DEBRIS IN HAND In early May 1997, while the FBI had pieces of debris that they suspected came from a U.S. Navy missile-drone, what was the FBI telling us? FBI Director Louis Freeh was telling us it looks like the crash "was a catastrophic mechanical failure." [4] FBI agent James Kallstrom was saying: "We see no evidence of a piece of shrapnel from a missile or a warhead going through the plane." [5] On May 12th Newsday [6] reported that with no evidence of a missile or foul play, the FBI was planning to end its investigation by early August. Clearly, as we have already seen with the cover- up of the explosives residue [7], there is no correlation between the FBI's public-relations front and the true story behind the scenes. Rather than telling the truth that they suspected a Navy missile-drone was involved, the FBI was pushing "mechanical failure" while simultaneously intimidating Dede Muma with threats of an invest- igation against her for refusing to destroy her errantly acquired evidence of U.S. Navy culp- ability in the downing of TWA Flight 800. HEAVY MILITARY AIRTRAFFIC The skies off the Long Island shore on July 17, 1996 were filled with aircraft. Not only were several Air National Guard aircraft in the air, and not only was a high-speed vehicle heading toward TWA 800 as reported by eyewitnesses, radar, and a satellite, but a U.S. Navy P-3 Orion was flying almost directly above TWA 800 when the accident occurred. Furthermore, several mysterious small aircraft fitting the profile of target drones were also seen in the area. Not only did Linda Kabot photo- graph what seems to be a drone missile [8], but the Long Island newspaper The Independent [9] reported that witnesses saw a "smaller plane" flying near TWA 800 at crash time. Indeed, a Firebee drone looks like a "smaller plane."[3] Even more, as I watched CNN on the night of the crash, a pilot was interviewed who said he saw what looked like a "stunt plane" crash into TWA 800. A Firebee looks like a "stunt plane," and alas, it seems that they may have found parts of this "stunt plane" in TWA 800. Yet more, the Boston Globe [10] reported that in addition to seeing "a brilliant flare-like glow that streaked toward the plane," witnesses also saw "a low-flying aircraft without lights cruising off shore." Could that aircraft without lights have been one of the aerial target drones, perhaps Firebees, launched from Wallops Island on July 17th? [11] Drones can fly for hundreds of miles. That there was such heavy military air-traffic on July 17 should not be a big surprise because there was a massive offshore military war-game called "Global Yankee '96" [12] underway at the time. Virtually all the military assets in the air around TWA 800 that evening, including the Air National Guard aircraft, where scheduled to be involved in "Global Yankee '96." [13] With such heavy military air-traffic and wargames in the area around TWA 800, which was on the "Betty track" (a safe route around active naval exercise zones), is it a surprise that over 150 witnesses saw TWA 800 being hit by a missile-like projectile? Is it a surprise that parts of a Navy missile-drone may have been found among the debris of TWA 800? I would dare to say that it is not a surprise. ******************************************************************* Visit Ian Williams Goddard ------> http://www.erols.com/igoddard ___________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________ [1] THE SOUTHAMPTON PRESS: Fax Gives Glimpse of Crash Investigation. By W. Michael Pitcher, July 24, 1997. URL: http://www.shpress.com/news/STORY03.htm [2] Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical: http://www.tdyryan.com BQM-145A: http://www.tdyryan.com/M350/default.htm Kabot missile? http://www.tdyryan.com/MALD/default.htm Explosives: http://www.tdyryan.com/Ordnance/ordnance.htm [3] BQM-34F Firebee Drone: http://www.webexpert.net/rosedale/twacasefile/firebee.html [4] "Meet the Press." NBC television program, May 4, 1997. [5] REUTERS: FBI: Mechanical Fault Likely Caused TWA Crash Monday May 5 7:00 AM EDT. http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/special/twa/twa.186.html [6] NEWSDAY: Investigative Shift. By Lauren Terrazzano, May 12, 1997. http://www.newsday.com/jet/cras0512.htm [7] URL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/coverup.htm [8] URL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/kab-dir.htm [9] THE INDEPENDENT: TWA Flight 800, Hundreds Witness Explosion. By Kari-Lisa Brangan, July 24, 1996. URL: http://www.peconic.net/independent/07249604.htm [10] THE BOSTON GLOBE: U.S. Agents Hear of Flash Before Plane Exploded. By Pamela Ferdinand, July 24, 1996, A18. [11] The NASA facility at Wallops Island, VA, is used by the DoD to launch target drones for the Navy. Keith Kohler (keith.kohler@gsfc.nasa.gov), Wallops Island representative told TWA 800 researcher Michael Davias (cintos@snet.net) that several aerial target drones were launched on July 17, 1996. Message-ID: (328FB000.2E0D@snet.net) [12] http://www.webexpert.net/rosedale/twacasefile/yankee.html [13] http://www.webexpert.net/rosedale/twacasefile/newsfour.html Visit these pages and copy their contents: http://www.ang.af.mil/angrc-xo/xoom/aargy96.htm http://www.ang.af.mil/angrc-xo/glbynk/partcpnt.htm http://www.rl.af.mil/Lab/C3/current-events/gy_rap1.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mestetsr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Subject: CICC 7/28/97 Members of the Faith Community Date: 28 Jul 1997 16:29:49 -0400 Rocers: I'm on the ICC (International Criminal Court) email list, which is a list that is interested in establishing a permanent international criminal court. For those of you that would like to keep your constitutionally protected freedom to practice religion, read this: >TO: Members of the Faith Community >FROM: NGO Coalition for an ICC >DATE: 28 July 1997 >RE: August 6 meeting of the faith community on the > International Criminal Court > > >Dear Members of the Faith Community: > >As many of you know, currently at the United Nations there are >high-level negotiations on the establishment of a permanent >International Criminal Court. This new tribunal will have a >global jurisdiction to try those accused of violating some of the >most serious crimes of concern to the international community, >including war crimes, genocide, and crimes against humanity. >Beyond the legal and political issues, there are vital ethical and >moral dimensions raised in this historic effort to create a >permanent court. > >For this reason, the NGO Coalition for an International Criminal >Court (CICC) invites you to an informal discussion with other >interested members of the religious community to discuss the role >of religious and ecumenical NGOs during the upcoming negotiations >taking place at the UN. The Preparatory Committee sessions on the >establishment of the permanent International Criminal Court will >take place August 4-15, 1997. The informal discussion will be >held: > >August 6, 1997 >9:00-10:00AM >at the United Nations >room to be announced > >Please contact the Coalition for further information and room >location. The room should be one of the lettered conference rooms >in the UN basement (1B). We look forward to your participation. > >Sincerely, > > > >William R. Pace >Convenor >CICC > ============================================================= = "The female of the species is more deadly than the male." = = -- Space mestetsr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu = ============================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: URGENT REQUEST re REP. RON PAUL (please forward widely (fwd) Date: 28 Jul 1997 19:10:04 PST Looks like it might be going down for the last gasp time folks. On Jul 28, Ed Wolfe wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Return-Path: Received: from endeavor.flash.net ([209.30.0.40]) by sirius.wnstar.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-36386U2500L250S0) with ESMTP id AAA240 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:42:28 -0700 Received: from Flashnet (hsh14-202.flash.net [209.30.70.202]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24465; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:36:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33DCCDB6.91860585@flash.net> Organization: Texas Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2542FE5BF91160EC7666BA61" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2542FE5BF91160EC7666BA61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------2542FE5BF91160EC7666BA61 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.43]) by centurion.flash.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11527; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:18:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA10701; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970728100642_1422778727@emout17.mail.aol.com> --------------------- Forwarded message: Bernadine [last name not known] of the Second Amendment Committee called the talk program on TruthRadio (Delano, CA) between 10:30 and 11:00 p.m. EDT, Sunday, July 27, 1997, asking everyone to contact Rep. Ron Paul to urge him to go public with the facts about our grave national situation, especially regarding the UN and our military. The following is a transcript of what she said, and what she stated Rep. Paul's representative has told her. BERNADINE: This is Bernadine. I wanted to thank you for giving some publicity to what we're trying to do in waking the people up. SHOW HOST: Well, you're welcome. BERNADINE: It was real good of you to try to get that on the air. I'd like to say a little bit more about it, if it's okay. SHOW HOST: Go for it. BERNADINE: Well, you know, the nation in general - people in general do not know what's going on, and the news are keeping it from being published. The television will not publish the information. Any time a nation gives up its armed forces to its enemies, they're in for trouble. Those are the kind of people in Washington these days. And when it is completed - they're working towards it, and they're pretty close to finishing, and, you know, people like you and me, we can go out and talk to people and say, "Are you aware that we're not going to have a military, we're going to have no military here? We're going to be open for any kind of conquest, any kind of invasion. And what's worse, they're bringing in communists, setting up little communities, and our people are being disarmed. They're legislating the 2nd Amendment out of existence. There's going to be no one have a gun in this country and you're going to be subjected to the control of a military type government, th! at t he UN is calling for all countries to give up their armies and our country has gone along with it. And we're going to be under the jurisdiction of a communist world army, because they're taking all of the armies. They're going to be the only army in the world and the rest of the countries are going to have to convert to full communism. And that means, of course, that you're not going to be able to own land. You're not going to be able to vote. You're not going to be able to have anything to say about whatever our government does because we're not going to have freedom to speak. (Brief interruption in Internet transmission) and yet those are the facts. And, unfortunately, we don't have the credibility because it isn't coming out on the television. They believe everything that's put on television, even though it's the biggest propaganda media that has ever been in this country since we've had the printed word. And yet they will believe - they would believe it if it were on the television. But since it's not on the television, they don't believe it. So, this is the bind we're in and we're coming down to the final effort of what we can do. You know, we've been fighting for a long time, and we're coming down to the line now where it's - it's no longer going to be in our control. We're going to lose if we don't do something and do it pretty quick. So, when Ron Paul came out with this effort to get us out of the UN, we saw a golden opportunity that we could lock his opposition, which was pretty - a pretty good size opposition. There were 369 that voted against him and only 54 in support. And of those 54 that supported him, 11 were phonies, and I'm not so sure about the rest, because when I talked to his representative - Ron Paul's representative, he said -- "Well, how come, you know, someone else doesn't speak out that - of his supporters?" And he said - he said, "Of all the people that voted for him," he said, "and there's some of them that are co-sponsors on the bill," he said, "not one of them would dare stand up and speak." And so what we're trying to make happen, we're trying to force an opening into this awful - what you might call a Pandora's box, so that the people can see that we've been betrayed, and it's going to get tremendously worse - much, much more worse than they've ever seen it. And they have a right to know. This government, you know, belongs to the people and what's being done is done without their knowledge. And the Declaration of Independence has the words in there "consent of the governed." They're not supposed to do these kind of things without the consent of the governed. The governed's never been asked. So, feeling that the people do have a right to know, and feeling that we have people that we're paying salaries to - they call themselves conservatives. They're in the minority in our statehouses and in the minority on the federal level. However, they're still taking a salary and they still want to be professing that they're doing the things that are good for us. So,! we feel that they have an obligation to tell what's gone on when they've got the facts, and not sit there and just object to this bill and push a button that says "yea" or "nay" in the aisles they sit in such as the state assembly and the Senate and the federal House of Representatives. Yea and nay is not going to get us anywhere. We've got to do something else, because you can see we're going down the tube, and they know it. And so just sitting there - some of them are just pushing the button that makes it look like they're doing the right thing just to hang in there on their job. That's all. They're there for the money and the glory and all the fringe benefits. But if we're paying them the salaries and they're good sized salaries, they have an obligation to really serve - really serve. And that means that they should be getting this information out about the disarmament and the damage it's doing to us, and that's not - that's not something that's too much to ask. So, that's why we're pushing on this opportunity - golden opportunity, and we just want the people all over the country to have the knowledge of what direction they're being taken in, and it's a bad direction. And if they want to save themselves, they first have to have the knowledge, and so that's why we're trying to get Ron Paul to go a step further than what he went. Now, by putting the bill out to get out of the United Nations was a good move. Of course, they're destroying us by treaties. Ron Paul's representative that I talked to said that Ron Paul felt that the - there were several other like - I think he said seven - there were seven other things that were just as bad as the disarmament law. Well, taking - losing the guns is the worst thing that can happen to you. And if you don't have the guns, you can't save yourself in any field, whether it's the land grab or whatever. He's told me also that Ron Paul was very worried about the collapse of the government. Well, my opinion is that they will not collapse the government until after they get the guns. I think they would be afraid to do it if the people still had the guns, because there's too many people out there that know they're planning a collapse, and they know that there would be a bounce back if they did it while people still have guns. So keeping the guns is the primary th! ing that's got to be done. Anyway, I asked - you know, I asked for Ron Paul to expose these people and that they should be declared unqualified for voting because they're already guilty of treason. Anytime you turn your army over to the enemies of a nation, that's treason. And that they should be disqualified, everyone that voted to do that. And we furnished him the documentation of - all the people that voted against him, we furnished the documentation of how those same people voted to give away the armed forces in 1989 with Public Law 101-216, and to disarm us completely. So he's got - he's got solid information on who they are in the Congress. And in talking to his representative - now he was very candid with me. He said that Ron Paul does not intend to confront his colleagues, that he's not going to go that far, that he feels that in introducing that legislation that the people can draw their own conclusions. Well, how can they draw their own conclusions when it isn't published, when it isn't even put on the news of what - what the issue is? And so I feel that if we persuade and we push Ron Paul a little bit farther with enough of an outcry throughout the nation, that it is possible then for him to have the courage. Somebody was telling me that they saw him on a program not too long ago and they - when they started to asking political questions, this man that was watching the program told me - these are his words, not mine. I didn't see the program. But they said that Ron Paul appeared to be scared when they talked about some of the political things, like he was worried, you know, and - and afraid. And still, heroes are made, they're not born. They have to go through a self-stimulating effort to do what has to be done. George Washington had to do what he did. He didn't intend to be a big hero, but it was forced on him. And so, if we get enough calls, it could change Ron Pa! ul. So that's why I'm asking people to do that and to call and ask him to bring this out. There's ways. He has credibility. Now if he told what I told you at the start of this program, if he went on a program and he told all this stuff and it was on the news and it came through the television at 5 o'clock, dinnertime, or 6 o'clock or 7 o'clock, people would believe it, simply because he has credibility by being in office. And because it's so horrible, when they hear it from average people that are not in public office, they choose to defend their own security and to defend the public officials who are doing them in by saying, "It won't happen here. It could never happen here." Well, it's happened. It's happened since 1961. And I - you know, I'd like to see him use some of the things and ways that he could have to break into the news and - and talk on this so that it's known throughout the nation. SHOW HOST: Bernadine, to wrap it up, what can the listeners do? BERNADINE: Okay. SHOW HOST: What kind of action can they take? BERNADINE: Want to take these phone numbers down? SHOW HOST: Okay. BERNADINE: Okay. 202 - this is his phone, for Ron Paul. 202-225-2831. Repeating, 202-225-2831. SHOW HOST: And what should we say when we call that number? BERNADINE: Well, I'll give you the fax number first, and then tell you what, generally, you can say. The fax is 202-226-4871. 202-226-4871. And what they should - what they should say is "Urging you to get out publicly and expose the facts on the disarmament law and the real reasons to get out of the UN." SHOW HOST: Okay, Bernadine. You have this thing called the Golden Opportunity to Save Your Country, and they can get a packet by sending you a $3 money order? BERNADINE: Yeah. Two dollars is okay, too. If they would like to send us a large envelope, one of the big brown ones that are about 10 X 12, and we fill it up. It'll take at least their $2. I go the cost of the material inside, and if they just pay $2, that'll cover their postage - and [send] the envelope, you know. So if they want to write to us at Post Office Box 1776, they'll get all the documentation. There's some very important items in there and - SHOW HOST: Yeah, I just scanned through this packet and it's full of a lot of neat stuff. BERNADINE: It's good stuff. SHOW HOST: That's to be sent to the Second Amendment Committee, P.O. Box 1776 -- BERNADINE: 1776. SHOW HOST: Hanford, California 93232. BERNADINE: Uh-huh. SHOW HOST: And, like I said, I just scanned through a lot of this. It has the voting records of legislators in favor of giving the military to the UN and the voting records of those that were in favor of our getting out of the UN and it's got a lot of neat information. And, of course, it tells you where to go look in the law library to get some of this stuff that goes all the way back to the 1950s. BERNADINE: It's all in -- you know, in the package. If they write for - they can just write for OGL - Opportunity - Golden Opportunity - you know, Operation Golden Opportunity. Just put "OGL" and $2 in an envelope and they'll get a packet. SHOW HOST: Fantastic. BERNADINE: Okay. Thank you. SHOW HOST: Thanks for calling. BERNADINE: Uh-huh. Bye now. SHOW HOST: And God bless Bernadine, a real warrior for our country. [end] Okay. It's up to us. Please call and fax Ron Paul, and get everyone you know calling as well. In case you didn't get all the information above, send a large (8 X 12) self-addressed envelope with at least $2 (or more if you can afford it) inside another envelope addressed to Second Amendment Committee, P.O. Box 1776, Hanford, CA 93232, and mark the envelope "OGL" so they'll know what you want. Rep. Ron Paul's phone: 202-225-2831 Fax: 202-226-4871 Toll free Capitol Hill #: 800-522-6721 E-mail: rep.paul@mail.house.gov You can also write Devvy Kidd, Project on Winning Economic Reform, 14253 West Baltic Avenue, Lakewood, CO 80228. For $2 she will send you a 22-page document, outlining recall procedures through petition drives. Please do not send e-mail requests. Please, forward this to everyone you know. Thanks, Cynthia Eleazer Independence@southtech.net --------------2542FE5BF91160EC7666BA61-- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ____________________________________________________________________________ An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | If Guns are | Let he who hath no | Keep weapon in every | by COLT; | outlawed, only | weapon sell his | Your hand = Freedom | DIAL | RIGHT WINGERS | garment and buy a | Powder on every side! | 1911-A1. | will have Guns. | sword. Jesus Christ | Dry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Liberty or Death Subject: Interesting Response Date: 28 Jul 1997 20:02:51 -0700 KCBX Public Radio Dear KCBX: As the publisher of a monthly newspaper called The Idaho Observer, I find it interesting that your response to the plight of the Sweeney family was simply "Please remove KCBX from your email list. Thank you." This is an excellent example of why we publish The Idaho Observer; the mainstream "press" simply isn't interested in doing their job, which is, allegedly, to inform the public. Rather, the mainstream media seems to be content to ignore real news and fabricate news that promotes a socialist agenda. It's no wonder that *many* of the people in America are waking up and beginning to call the mainstream media what it is: a whore. - Jefferson Adams *** The Idaho Observer *** observer@dmi.net http://www.proliberty.com/observer 208-777-7888 FAX: 208-777-2032 P.O Box 1806, Post Falls ID 83854 - Monte ------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh Lord, lead us into Your Glory - bathe us in the holy & pure light of Your Spirit; let Your righteous fire burn away all that is in us that is not of You, so that we might worship the Living God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength. Amen. ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.proliberty.com/observer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: RE: Waco on Fox Wednesday (fwd) Date: 29 Jul 1997 08:10:24 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Reply-To: act@efn.org Fox Television will present a show called Prophecies of the Millenium on Wednesday 7/30 night (1000 days before the Millenium) which includes some inteviews with Davidians and probably some commentary on the events. I talked to a researcher several months ago who was quite symapthetic, but who know what producers will do with it. Carol Moore in D.C.--Belly of the Bully Boys cmoore@capaccess.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Personification (fwd) Date: 29 Jul 1997 12:57:18 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- mlindste@clandjop.com, jeffs@gr.cns.net, fktown@flash.net, pwatson@utdallas.edu, Shiloh1@airmail.net, nox2128@montana.com Personification Of Your Property by Thomas M. Saunders A few months ago Alfred Adask, of the Citizens For Legal Reform of Dallas asked me to write something directed at the use of the personification of property for the purpose of administrating asset forfeiture. Most Americans are not aware of the fact that confiscation of property has been stepped up to include over 300 laws which enable the government to deny the right to private property, due process, and the right to other civil liberties which are supposed to be protected by the Constitution. The use of personification in our courts is an act that would get most people excommunicated from most Christian belief systems if its use were generally understood. The World Book Dictionary defines personification in a number of different ways, and is certainly a word which can be expected to mean different things. World Book defines personification: 1. A striking example; type. 2. A representing as a person, such as speaking of the sun as he and the moon as she. 3. A person or creature imagined as representing a thing or idea. "Satan is the personification of evil." 4. A figure of speech in which a lifeless thing or quality is spoken of as if alive. The law regards personification in the light of the last definition, but to a more treacherous degree. Our justice system confiscates property on the premise that objects can commit crimes. In other words the Court has implemented the idea that objects have free will. This enables the court to take your car, house, boat, bike, or any other object you own on the basis that it can commit crimes. This has enabled the Court to practice "animism", and force a belief system on the American public which a good many would reject, if they realized the religious connotations of the act. This is a case where the government through the courts is forcing a religious belief on the public. This may be a serious violation the government should have to answer for.. Their role is to adopt no specific religion. This may extend to forcing a specific religious belief. Before the end of this outrageous practice the problem will have to be addressed. The idea that objects can have free will and the power to animate is deeply rooted in occult beliefs. One aspect of using an evil curse is to enable an object to perform acts of evil. The idea that objects can have powers is not excluded in Christian beliefs but the idea the courts have implemented is generally rejected by modern understanding of the world, and modern Christianity. When the government implements asset forfeiture it is done to the degree found in the middle ages during the Inquisition - you're guilty, that's it. Americans have a Congress which has little regard for the idea that Americans should retain their right to private property. Henry Hyde, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, introduced a bill, HR 1965 (1916), which he hoped would have reformed asset forfeiture and made it more fair. I received a letter from Chairman Hyde explaining his bill would have protected innocent property owners and shifted the burden of proof to the government. This bill has been gutted and turned around to the point that property could be taken on the slightest of evidence and kept to help prosecutorial discovery. The burden of proof is left entirely on defendants. It allows the confiscation of property for violations of regulatory standards by the IRS, and allows confiscation of property without a warrant by other federal agencies. The disregard for private property by our Congress has even extended to the confiscation of property from any American who establishes foreign citizenship. It has always been the position of the Bill Of Attainder Project that the confiscation of property is a bill of attainder. Certainly the confiscation of property has always been one of the aspects of administering a bill of attainder, and it should not be allowed in American justice. Further, it is our position that the use of personification of property by the courts subjugates citizens into a belief system that should be abolished in our courts. Subjects are not citizens. Without the right of private property, Americans are subjects, and lose their status as citizens. We urge all political activists to take a stand against asset forfeiture to restore the citizenship for which we are entitled. We urge all to help end the tryanny used in our courts to justify plundering with the law, especially the use of personification of property. Please confront your legislators with these facts about your civil liberties. If you attend a church you should seek to find out what their stance is on the use of personification in courts. For more information about the Bill Of Attainder Porject contact: "A bill of attainder is a law or legal device used to outlaw people, suspend their civil rights, confiscate property, punish or put people to death without a trial." (Bill Of Attainder Project) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: [rightnow] Rep. Solomon calls for impeachment (fwd) Date: 30 Jul 1997 07:54:49 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Reply-To: Jack@RightNow.Org Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 19:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: rightnow@MailList.Net -----------------begin fwd msg------------------------ Chairman Solomon Calls for the Impeachment=20 of President Clinton=20 In the House of Representatives, July 22, 1997 Mr. Speaker, those who think the investigation into the scandals surrounding the Clinton White House are sadly mistaken if they dismiss it as a merely partisan attack.=20 The New York Times has never been known as a mouthpiece for the Republican Party, and could not be accused of aiding or abetting such partisanship. All the more significant, then, is the Tuesday column by A.M. Rosenthal, entitled 'The Connecting Line.'=20 The 'connecting' is done to the bewildering and seemingly unconnected scandals, and establishes a common theme.=20 That common theme, Mr. Speaker, is the manipulation of the United States by the People's Republic of China, and the extent to which the actions of the Clinton administration made that manipulation possible. The column is a must-read for anyone who still thinks, and dares to claim, that this scandal is only about campaign finance reform.=20 Mr. Speaker, there is no reason why preparation should not be made for the consideration of impeachment of the President, a suggestion I do not make lightly.=20 I place the Rosenthal column in today's Record.=20 >From the New York Times, July 22, 1997, by A.M. Rosenthal In just one day last week three stories were reported that told of the stunning successes the Chinese Politburo has achieved in manipulating America and diminishing it as a credible political player in the Far East.=20 Americans can find similar stories almost every day in their press. But American journalism, like American diplomacy and politics, has failed to show the clear line that connects the stories. And historically--meaning from tomorrow deep into the next century--that failure can be the Politburo's biggest triumph of all.=20 One story dealt with China's plan to influence the American Presidential race and how President Clinton insisted that the agent of Beijing's chief overseas economic commercial partner be given a role in the campaign.=20 This agent, John Huang, received regular C.I.A. briefings. If the White House does not understand that anything interesting the C.I.A. told him found its way through his Indonesian masters to their Beijing partners, it would be obscene self-delusion amounting to dereliction of duty.=20 Another story was about the growing worry in Congress that U.S. intelligence has not kept track of how China's increasing military and political power affect America. The house has called for a report within a year. It appropriated $5 million to hire academics to help our multi-billion-dollar intelligence machinery.=20 The third story told of how the dissident movement has been crushed in China. The Communists got a free hand when the Clinton Administration dropped human rights as a goal of its foreign policy. The Communist then had no worry about economic penalty for the torture and murder of Chinese guilt of trying to express themselves. So they set to work.=20 Just another human rights story. But the connecting line among all the successes of China is human rights. The line begins with President Clinton's decision in 1994 to renege on promises he had made to use economic pressure to help imprisoned Chinese and Tibetan dissidents.=20 Human rights for Chinese--the right to speak, write and worship as they choose--should be important in themselves to Americans. They should make us cherish and protect our own, inspire us to give a hand to those who have none.=20 The apologists for China sneer at all that. What are we, missionaries? They say Americans supporting human rights thirst for enemies after the Soviet breakup and select China for the role.=20 This is a knowing falsehood. The opposite is true. Like other police-state rulers, Chinese Communists live in fear of their people's desire for liberties. They see American democracy as the danger to the Communist Party, the inevitable enemy. They search out other dictatorships for help in damaging America.=20 That is why China sells nuclear technology to the likes of Iran. To weaken America--that is the connecting line in Politburo policy.=20 For Mr. Clinton, the decision to betray Chinese human rights was the beginning of the line to the other accommodations and appeasements that flowed from it. Could he have brought into his campaign a man useful only because of his links with China, direct or indirect, if he were still standing up to what the Communists were doing to dissidents?=20 The President's men, and women, walk the line with him. For career reasons, they pretended to believe his cynical fantasy that deserting human rights would somehow make the Communists improve human rights. They said straight-faced that it would also persuade the Politburo to safeguard America's security interests--no more sales of cruise missiles and nuclear technology to the Irans of the world.=20 So when American intelligence did report those sales, the Administration whined a bit but accepted Beijing's insulting answer that it knew nothing about the sales. They expected Americans to believe even pistols could be exported from China without Beijing's approval.=20 Only one thing prevents Beijing from fully relishing its double victory over Chinese human rights and Americans' claims to international moral leadership.=20 Beijing has not yet stamped out one human rights struggle--the passion for freedom of worship. Yesterday the U.S. again acknowledged the persecution of Christians in China. America's Government will try to remain detached. America's people may not.=20 Published in the Jul. 28, 1997 issue of The Washington Weekly. 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If you cannot access the World Wide Web, send an e-mail message to RightNow-Request@MailList.Net and on the SUBJECT LINE put the single word: unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: [rightnow] [USTP] It's a Crime (fwd) Date: 30 Jul 1997 07:58:15 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Reply-To: Jack@RightNow.Org Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 19:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: rightnow@MailList.Net Dear Friends, I was having mail problems (changing my email address from lmuller@iquest.com to linda@networkusa.org) and all mail sent to my lists was bounced. Since I have a filter set up to auto-delete bounced mail.... Well anyway, here is one of the items that you probably did not receive and it's a great article by Mark Howerter. But please note - **This is NOT for those who are easily offended by strong descriptive language. Just delete it now or forever hold your piece! Also note that the full text of the article by Claire Wolfe mentioned by Mark is located on the "Fight the Fingerprint" web site. FTC - Linda ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Organization: http://www.prairienet.org/otherside It's a Crime c 1997 Mark E. Howerter Lately I have sat and wondered which "crime" I will ultimately lose my freedom for. I am sure that as you read this some of you are thinking, "boy, this guy is delusional." Well, maybe so. I actually hope so. I don't want to lose my freedom. However, I seriously can't help but wonder how much longer it will last at the rate things are going today. The problem is that real crimes are going unpunished and other actions which are not against the laws of God are being called crimes. "The Other Side of the News" recently reported that Robert Kusznikow refused to hook up his Oxycocus Road home to the municipal water in Stafford, New Jersey. Municipal Court Judge Paul J. Carr on June 2 sentenced Kusznikow to 90 days in jail for his "crime." "It turned out that eight days was enough. Kusznikow Tuesday finally had his house hooked up to municipal water lines a day after getting out of jail -- even though the water hookup was not a condition of his early release. He paid a plumber $750 to do the job." "Kusznikow Tuesday said he gave in because he heard that the Municipal Utilities Authority was threatening to try to send his wife, Susan, to jail too." I will just about bet I'll end up in jail someday for something like this myself. The day somebody comes out here and tells me I have to have city water is the day I make my stand. It is now a "crime" to not be hooked up to city water in some places! It is also a "crime" to burn up a tire in an old brush pile. It is now considered a hate crime in some places to speak against homosexuality. I'm telling you, someday this old country boy will be hauled away for a "crime" such as these. A Knox College student here in Galesburg, Illinois, was recently forced to leave the school because they gave him failing grades, not because he was really failing, but because he spoke out against homosexuality on campus. My home town here is quickly becoming the San Francisco of the Midwest. Galesburg, Illinois, is quickly trying to be the first city in the United States to grant homosexuals special rights. A "Coalition for 'Equal' Rights" has been formed and a new mayor elected who campaigned heavily in support of the issue. The former mayor was vehemently opposed to such an idea. The old is out and the new is in and special rights for homosexuals is on the way here. Friends, special rights so that one man can stick his penis in the mouth or rectum of another man and be proud of it in the public square and in the workplace will probably be voted in during the reign or our new pro-homo mayor. Galesburg, Illinois, is a test site for these new special rights. If someone (like the American Center for Law and Justice or the Rutherford Institute) doesn't come in and help us soon Pandora's Box is going to open right here in my home town. Galesburg, Illinois, is fast seeking to become "Little Sodom." If such a law is passed freedom of speech will be over in Galesburg and soon in the rest of the country. I will be carted off to jail for this new "crime" of speaking out against homosexuality. I don't think I'm delusional at all. On April 15th of this year "Dear Abby" ran a letter talking about whether a "pre-op transexual" should use the ladies' rest room or the men's room! Abby had previously advised that he should use the ladies' room. Ladies were outraged and so Abby wrote for advice to John Bancroft, M.D., director of the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender and Reproduction. (That Is sure where I'd write for sex advice too.) Dr. Bancroft wrote back to Abby with the following advice: "I advise my transexual or transgendered patients that when they present themselves as women they should use the women's rest room and vice versa. Women should feel no concern about the occasional transgendered person doing this. What such people want more than anything else is to be seen and accepted as a normal female. I provide my gender reassignment patients with a formal 'To Whom It May Concern' letter to carry at all times, explaining that they are in this process of transition--and if there are any questions to contact me." Dear God! Now my wife is supposed to think it is OK for a man to use the ladies' room and if she has any questions about it she can ask the guy and he carries a letter explaining that he is getting ready to have his penis cut off so it's supposed to be OK! I'll probably end up in jail someday for decking some pervert if my wife ever runs into this situation. Things that aren't crimes against God and never have been considered crimes by man before are quickly becoming crimes, while the true criminals go free. Pornography is protected. Child molestors are protected. But, don't you dare refuse to hook up to city water or burn a tire for goodness sake! And, of course, whatever you do, don't you say that homosexuality is wrong or you are committing a "crime" of hate! We are now living in a society where sodomy is made to be normal and sodomites granted special rights and the whole thing is promoted by the president of the United States. Men putting their penises in each other's mouths and rectums is OK with our president--well, not just OK, but promoted. But, according to Reuter's yesterday he was "horrified" by Mike Tyson biting Evander Holyfield's ear. Folks, there is something badly wrong with our society. I am not saying that what Tyson did was acceptable, but compared to what homosexuals do to each other it was not even worthy of comment. Things that ought to "horrify" our president don't and things that don't should. Our society is sick and dying. Our freedoms are being eroded away at an alarming rate and not just by the Democrats either! I have snipped below part of an excellent article, "LAND-MINE LEGISLATION" By Claire Wolfe. Wolfe asks that as you read the following that you try and guess what they they all have in common. "1. A national database of employed people" "2. 100 pages of new 'health care crimes,' for which the penalty is (among other things) seizure of assets from both doctors and patients" "3. Confiscation of assets from any American who establishes foreign citizenship" "4. The largest gun confiscation act in U.S. history -- which is also an unconstitutional *ex post facto* law and the first law ever to remove people's constitutional rights for committing a misdemeanor" "5. A law banning guns in ill-defined school zones; random roadblocks may be used for enforcement; gun-bearing residents may become federal criminals just by stepping outside their doors or getting into their vehicles." "6. Increased funding for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, an agency infamous for its brutality, dishonesty and ineptitude" "7. A law enabling the executive branch to declare various groups 'terrorist' -- without stating any reason and without the possibility of appeal. Once a group has been so declared, its mailing and membership lists must be turned over to the government." "8. A law authorizing secret trials with secret evidence for certain classes of people" "9. A law requiring that all states begin issuing drivers licenses carrying Social Security numbers and 'security features' (such as magnetically coded fingerprints and personal records) by October 1, 2000. By October 1, 2006, 'Neither the Social Security Administration or the Passport Office or any other Federal agency or any State or local government agency may accept for any evidentiary purpose a State driver's license or identification document in a form other than [one issued without a verified Social Security number and 'security features']." "10. And my personal favorite -- a national database, now being constructed, that will contain every exchange and observation that takes place in your doctor's office. This includes records of your prescriptions, your hemorrhoids and your mental illness. It also includes -- by law -- any statements you make (`Doc, I'm worried my kid may be on drugs,' 'Doc, I've been so stressed out lately I feel about ready to go postal.') and any observations your doctor makes about your mental or physical condition, whether accurate or not, whether made with your knowledge or not. For the time being, there will be zero (count 'em, zero) privacy safeguards on this data. But don't worry, your government will protect you with some undefined 'privacy standards' in a few years." "All of the above items are the law of the land. Federal law. What else do they have in common?" "Well, when I ask this question to audiences, I usually get the answer, 'They're all unconstitutional.' "True." "My favorite answer came from an eloquent college student who blurted, 'They all SUUUCK!'" "Also true." "But the saddest and most telling answer is: They were all the product of the 104th Congress. Every one of the horrors above was imposed upon you by the Congress of the Republican Revolution -- the Congress that pledged to 'get government off your back.'" The moral of the story is that, if the United States Taxpayer's Party doesn't become a major factor in the election process really soon that the Republicans and Democrats alike will take away the rest of our freedoms and I'll end up in jail. The sad thing is that if you are a God-fearing Christian you will end up there with me. *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%%*%*%*%* Mark E. Howerter, "The Other Side of the News" http://www.prairienet.org/otherside %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%* Ask me about the brand new TOSN listserv or just send the message: subscribe TOSN to: listproc@prairienet.org *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%* *********{{{{{{{{{*********************}}}}}}}}}********* ** NEW Web Site ** ================================================= Biometrics - Fingerprinting - FingerScan, Retina Scan, DNA Just Say NO to Big Brother's Tracking of Innocent Citizens! 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If you cannot access the World Wide Web, send an e-mail message to RightNow-Request@MailList.Net and on the SUBJECT LINE put the single word: unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Retired Pilot claims ordnance blast downed TWA800 plane (fwd) Date: 30 Jul 1997 08:43:05 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Eyewitness: Ordnance blast downed TWA 800 By David E. Hendrix The Press-Enterprise A military eyewitness to the TWA Flight 800 disaster who was the first rescuer on the scene says the jetliner and 230 people aboard were knocked out of the sky by an explosive projectile, probably a military warhead, and not by some internal mechanical catastrophe. Frederick C. Meyer, one of two Air National Guard helicopter pilots who witnessed the jetliner's breakup, said he was not sure what the projectile was and did not know its source. A Jane's military expert said Meyer's description of the incident matched that of a missile detonating. Meyer said he cannot say the object that struck the Boeing 747 was a missile, but is convinced he saw an ``ordnance explosion'' burst near the plane just before it blossomed into a deadly fireball. Although the ex-Navy officer and Vietnam War helicopter pilot previously had described what he saw to investigators and to the media, he said he was breaking his self-imposed silence on his conclusions about what occurred. He said the reason he was speaking out now was because of FBI and National Transportation Safety Board statements that a mechanical spark most likely touched off fuel tank fumes and caused the July 17, 1996, air disaster. He also noted that investigators had treated him perfunctorily and did not ask him many questions or anything about his conclusions when they talked. ``I'm not a professor with a Ph.D. in explosion watching, I'm an eyewitness,'' Meyer, an attorney, said. ``I know what I saw. I saw an ordnance explosion. And whatever I saw, the explosion of the fuel was not the initiator of the event. It was one of the results. Something happened before that which was the initiator of the disaster. Everyone involved in the FBI and NTSB are intelligent enough to know that.'' NTSB officials confirmed that Meyer's conclusions were new to them and that he had not previously offered his beliefs to investigators. An FBI spokesman said the agency does not comment about statements of an individual witness. NTSB and FBI officials said there was no physical evidence a bomb or missile downed the plane. The FBI has said it expects to withdraw from the probe soon because it has no physical evidence that would indicate there was a criminal cause. There have been other eyewitness reports about missile-like streaks followed by an explosion but these have been primarily from people on land or in boats. The FBI and the NTSB have said they believe that the central gas tank explosion was most likely touched off by an internal event. They have not shut the door entirely on other prevailing theories -- that a bomb or missile caused the disaster -- but they have belittled them. More specifically, NTSB spokeswoman Shelly Hazle said the possibility that an outside object, such as a missile fragment or meteor, struck the plane is among the six crash theories receiving most official attention. Four of the theories center on a spark or static electricity setting off center fuel tank vapors and another looks at a small bomb with a shaped charge under a passenger seat detonating over the center tank. Meyer, in a series of interviews with The Press-Enterprise from his Shinnecock Hills, Long Island, N.Y., office, said he had not offered his opinions during several brief meetings with FBI and NTSB investigators because he wanted to present facts, not conclusions. However, he chided FBI and NTSB examiners for not asking him any questions during individual sessions, the first two of which he initiated. Capt. Chris Baur, his co-pilot that night, could not be reached for comment and has declined interviews, reportedly under orders, since shortly after the disaster. But published reports quote investigators as saying Baur thinks he saw a missile. Meyer said he saw a streak from the west of the spot where the TWA exploded seconds later. Baur said he saw a streak from the east. Meyer said the accounts are not contradictory if there were two projectiles, such as two missiles or a drone target and a missile, approaching from opposite directions. Meyer said he believes there were two projectiles but said he could only testify about the one he saw. He vigorously rejected efforts to discuss Baur's reported comments, saying that would be inappropriate and would detract from the substance of each account. Meyer, 57, tells this story: He, Baur and flight engineer Denis Richardson were practicing instrument landings for Baur around Francis S. Gabreski Airport, a former Air Force Base on eastern Long Island, at about 8:30 p.m. on the Wednesday evening TWA 800 crashed. Meyer was watching forward, southwest, for possible conflicting aircraft. Baur, his head down, was reading instruments. Richardson was facing the side from the left gunner's position to watch for aircraft. At 200 feet above the ground, Meyer could see the top of the sun as it dipped below the horizon. It was still daylight at their elevation. That's when he saw the streak of light. ``Right in front of me, slightly to the left of centerline, at a distance that I then estimated as 10 miles and an altitude that I estimated at approximately 10,000 feet, I saw a streak of light.'' The light, he said, was reddish-orange and ``had a trajectory of a shooting star: virtually horizontal, with a gradual descending curve.'' The streak lasted three to five seconds and disappeared. ``About a second, and then further to my left, along the same trajectory as the streak, I see a violent explosion, which resembles a flak explosion, and I've seen those. It's yellowish-orange and red in color and it generates a little black cloud of smoke, and the smoke generally congeals above the explosion and above the light. It is a high- velocity explosion.'' Flak is antiaircraft cannon fire that explodes near its target and fragments into shrapnel. Meyer described a high- velocity explosion as ``now you don't see it, now you do.'' ``A second or maybe a second and a half later, at an altitude that looked like the trajectory was bent downward a little, I saw a brilliant white explosion. I don't know what it was. It looked somewhat like a white phosphorus <======== round, but not exactly. It was a separate, distinct explosion. They were not concentric. They were two different explosions, the second to the left of the first.'' Next came a low-velocity explosion, a fireball that grew in size and continued moving to the left, or east. The third explosion could either have been two separate ones that merged or just one large event, Meyer said. The entire sequence took 12 to 15 seconds from the initial sighting of the streak to the fireball, Meyer said. Baur said in interviews shortly after the accident that he saw a streak moving from left to right, or east to west, before the first explosion. That first burst was a ``hard white light,'' he was quoted saying in a March 10 story in Aviation Week and Space Technology. The magazine attributed its account to unnamed crash investigators who quoted Bauer. ``I was trying to figure out what it was,'' the story quotes Baur as saying. ``It was the wrong color for flares. It struck an object coming from the right and made it explode.'' But Baur's head was down when Meyer first saw a streak. Meyer said his view to the left was partially blocked by Baur's body and the cockpit's structure. ``I'm just in total awe and saying (to myself) `What in hell is that?''' Meyer recalled. ``I, I, just don't know what it is,'' he said, still stammering and groping for words a year later. The eerie scene played out in silence, the explosive sounds muffled by the men's ear plugs and helmets and drowned out by the HH 60 Blackhawk helicopter's engine and whirring blades. Baur broke the mesmerizing moment, asking if the crew was watching ``pyro,'' short for pyrotechnics, a term used for dropping flares. A C-130 crew from Meyer's 106th Air Rescue Wing was to practice night air refueling with the helicopter and then drop flares in practice. Paul Beaver, a missile specialist for Jane's, a British publishing house with expertise in military equipment and research, called Meyer's account ``very compelling evidence of some kind of projectile'' hitting TWA 800. Beaver of Jane's Information Group said the description fit that of a longer-range missile warhead detonating near a target. Beaver has been naval editor and aerospace and defense editor for Jane's. He is a pilot, British army reserve officer and has fired air-to-ground missiles. Beaver said during interviews Monday that the first reddish-orange burst Meyer saw was consistent with an exploding warhead. Some missiles explode near a target and send shrapnel hurling into the aircraft to cause structural damage. The white explosion could be solid fuel used to propel missiles, Beaver said, which he called just as dangerous and destructive as a warhead. ``It has the right look,'' he said of the white detonation. The British destroyer HMS Sheffield was destroyed by the solid fuel propelling a French-made Exocet missile during the Falklands War with Argentina in 1982, Beaver said. The anti-ship missile's warhead did not explode when it struck the Sheffield but the propellant did and caused fires that spread out of control. Twenty men were killed, 24 injured and 242 crew members saved. There are some tandem missiles but they are used against tanks and not known to be antiaircraft weapons, Beaver said. Tandem missiles have a warhead that first explodes near a hardened target, and a second which then penetrates the weakened armament. Missiles do emit a reddish exhaust trail but that normally is when the weapons first launch, Beaver said. Missiles and drones can leave a trail of smoke if the solid fuel is not functioning properly, he said. ``It sounds like a projectile,'' said Beaver, who acknowledges the mechanical theory of TWA 800's destruction has drawn his support to date. After seeing the explosions, Meyer and his crew decided to investigate, radioed the tower, and accelerated almost due south toward the fireball, which they saw hit the water. The helicopter crew was the first to reach the disaster site, arriving while bodies and flaming aircraft parts still rained from the sky into a growing lake of fire floating on the ocean. The crew skirted 50-foot flames billowing from jet fuel while looking for possible survivors but found none. They spotted a life raft but it was empty. Meyer said it was several minutes before the combination of the debris, number of bodies and radio report of a missing jumbo jet brought to reality the scope of the disaster. Meyer was interviewed by media in the first few days after and said he couldn't conclude he saw a missile, a word he still avoids. ``I don't know,'' he said. ``It could have been. But there is a big difference between could have been and `I saw a missile.' '' He is adamant, however, that what he saw came toward the plane, not from it. The word he uses is ``ordnance'': an explosive projectile. ``I saw ordnance explode,'' he said. ``A military warhead. Could I be wrong? Hey, I've been wrong before. But I don't think so on this one.'' A Navy ship gun's explosive round is one example of ordnance, Meyer said. He saw it during gunnery practice as an officer aboard a destroyer and was close to flak pulling an aerial target for gunnery practice off the Philippines and while waiting to rescue downed pilots over North Vietnam. The missiles he saw and had shot at him had erratic paths, not the smooth trajectory he saw before the explosions and death fall of TWA 800. That's why he did not conclude ``missile,'' he said. ``I have no idea what that streak of light was,'' Meyer said. ``It could have been a number of things. It could have been the tailpipe of a missile. But I know the explosions I saw were ordnance. The first two I saw were ordnance. The third was petro-chemical.'' Baur, who is a pilot for the Customs Department, has been directed by government officials not to talk about the crash, according to military sources. Meyer said he sought out FBI agents at the East Moriches Coast Guard station the second day after the crash and finally talked to two, who asked no questions. After a week of fitful dreams, he said, he asked FBI agents to meet him at the home of a military colleague and told the story again. That was his last FBI-only session, although agents attended two other briefings he gave, he said. One of those sessions was in January, when a four-member NTSB team talked to him for five minutes. Another was when he briefed his Air National Guard unit's leaders. NTSB spokesman Peter Goelz said Meyer was free at anytime to offer his conclusions, testimony or assessments and that both the FBI and NTSB continued to ask witnesses for reports. Goelz said he agreed with Meyer that Meyer was no explosives expert. Meyer said he can't believe the NTSB believes what it is reporting. ``When the prestigious organization that I have come to respect in 30 years of aviation, the NTSB, announces that they have concluded that the center wing fuel tank was the cause of the destruction of the aircraft, I just can't believe it. ``The conclusion that an explosion in the . . . tank could have been caused by an overheating air conditioner or a spark from a 12-volt fuel pump is ludicrous,'' he said. Meyer also criticized freelance journalist and investigator James Sanders, whose book, ``The Downing of TWA Flight 800,'' concludes that Meyer was part of a U.S. military project guarding a Navy missile test. Meyer called the allegation a ``lie,'' and said his unit never had been involved in joint exercises with the Navy. Some people, including Sanders, believe TWA 800 was downed in a ``friendly fire'' accident during a missile test -- struck by an unarmed missile that went through the plane, somehow touching off the gas tank explosion. The Navy, FBI and NTSB have said the Navy did not shoot down the jetliner and did not have aircraft or ships with anti-aircraft missiles close enough to do so. Sanders said he did not want to battle with Meyer, but when putting together all the evidence of Navy, Coast Guard, Air National Guard and other assets, Meyer's comment about no joint operations ``does not appear accurate.'' Meyer did say that most military personnel with whom he has talked believe TWA 800 was shot down by a missile. As for whose missile, he said: ``There, you've really got the question. There's no way I can give you a definitive answer.'' Meyer no longer is in the Air National Guard. He was retired mandatorily from military service in May when he was passed over for promotion to lieutenant colonel, two years short of an automatic age-triggered end to his flying status. Lt. Col. Jim Finkle, spokesman for Meyer's former unit, said the helicopter pilot was not promoted because he had failed to complete a required Air Command and Staff College course. ``The only reason I joined the unit was to fly,'' Meyer said. ``I had had offers to go to staff and be promoted but I told them I was having too much fun flying.'' Meyer said a superior officer suggested that Meyer should not discuss what he saw about TWA 800 until after the NTSB concluded what caused the accident. Meyer said he did not take the suggestion as an order but imposed his own gag because of bad experiences with the media. For instance, he said, one TV program used a clip of an interview to make it appear he thought a meteor might have struck the jetliner, something he does not believe. ``I have never seen a shooting star during daylight,'' he said. Meyer said he felt it necessary to share his unique perspective with the public, given the investigation's apparent course. ``I've been in the service for 25 years and have had access to military secrets,'' he said. ``If they had a secret, they could call me into a room and tell me what was happening in conformance with secrecy standards and then tell me not to speak. ``But to say nothing and ignore me and then to put out information that is false, is to make me ask questions and conclude that something is wrong. What are they trying to cover up? `They' is however high it goes. ``I got a moment of time that evidently I don't share with any of the other 4 million people on Long Island on that day. That's what I have to contribute to the truth of this incident.'' NTSB officials say their investigation may last another year, while the FBI has said that lack of physical evidence of a bomb or missile may lead them to end their involvement in two or three months. The NTSB plans to hold a public hearing in Baltimore in December to review evidence and take testimony. NTSB spokesman Peter Goelz said he did not know if Meyer would be asked to testify because witness lists were not complete. ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Did you hear about the new Clinton Post Office Stamp? Date: 30 Jul 1997 09:18:14 -0500 (CDT) Clinton stamps are impractical because of the mail that would return to the sender. Think of all those extra slick stamps sliding off the envelopes. Brenda Douglas M. Hutton wrote: > > Issuing a Clinton stamp might result in the same problem as the stamp > honoring attorneys. > People kept bringing them back to the P.O. --- because they didn't > know > which side to spit on ! Doug > They could never print such a stamp. He would keep changing his mind on what denomination the stamp should be. John If you get a paper cut while sealing the envelope, does the stamp feel your pain? And does it take a village to lick it? (Sorry, couldn't resist) > Clinton stamps are impractical because of the mail that would return to > the sender. Think of all those extra slick stamps sliding off the > envelopes. > > Brenda > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mestetsr@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Subject: Forwarded Alert Date: 30 Jul 1997 10:51:29 -0400 I couldn't tell you what list I got this off of - that's how many I'm on. Anyway, for those of you that enjoy your privacy, read this... Rachel >============================================================================== > ___ _ _____ ____ _____ _ > / _ \| | | ____| _ \_ _| | Visit Rep. Robert Borski (D-PA-03) during >| |_| | | | _| | |_) || | | | the Month of August - Help Support >| _ | |___| |___| _ < | | |_| Privacy and Security on the Net!! >|_| |_|_____|_____|_| \_\|_| (_) Posted July 29, 1997 > > Please forward where appropriate until September 2, 1997 > > This alert brought to you by >The Voters Telecommunications Watch, the Center for Democracy and Technology, > the Electronic Frontier Foundation, EFF-Austin, Americans for Tax Reform, > and Wired Magazine >_____________________________________________________________________________ >Table of Contents > What's Happening Right Now > What You Can Do To Help Privacy And Security On The Internet > - Meet Rep. Borski, Tell him or her How You Feel > Background On The Encryption Policy Issue and HR 695, the SAFE bill > What's At Stake in this debate > About This Alert > >_____________________________________________________________________________ >LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD... > >The government is demanding that you provide guaranteed law enforcement >access to your private online communications and business transactions. > >Your Congressman, Rep. Robert Borski (D-PA-03) will be >heading home for the month of August. Now is a great time to let Rep. >Borski know that privacy on the Internet is important to you. > >Please read the ALERT below and find out what you can do to help. > >________________________________________________________________________ >WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW > >The FBI, CIA, NSA and other law enforcement agencies are pressuring >Congress to pass legislation to force anyone who wants to protect their >privacy on the Internet to use programs with built in "key recovery" >features -- virtual back doors which would allow law enforcement (and >anyone else sophisticated enough to find a weakness) access to your private >communications. > >This effort by the Clinton Administration to force the domestic use of >government approved "key recovery" encryption represents a very real threat >to your privacy and security in the Information Age. > >Fortunately, a bill known as the "Security and Freedom Through Encryption >Act" (HR 695) is making its way through the House of Representatives. The >bill, known as SAFE, would help protect privacy and security on the >Internet by: > >* Prohibiting the government from imposing key recovery or key escrow > encryption inside the United States or abroad. >* Allowing Americans the ability to use whatever form of encryption they > choose. >* Encouraging the widespread availability of strong, easy-to-use > encryption technologies by relaxing cold war-era export restrictions. > >SAFE enjoys support from a bi-partisan majority of 250 Members of the House >of Representatives, and has been endorsed by civil liberties and public >interest groups from both sides of the political spectrum, as well as a >broad cross section of the computer and communications industries. > >The SAFE bill has recently cleared two key House committees and is expected >to be voted on by the full House of Representatives in September. > >As your Representatives in Congress head home for the August recess, now is >a great time to let them know that the folks back home care about >protecting privacy on the Internet. > >Please read the instructions below to find out what you can do to >participate in "Meet Your Member Month," and join the fight to protect your >right to privacy online. > >________________________________________________________________________ >WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW > >Between August 1 and September 2, Congress will be in recess and >Rep. Borski will be in your area meeting with constituents at large town >hall meetings and individual appointments. These meetings are a great >opportunity to show them that the folks back home care about >privacy on the Internet. > >If you can't make a meeting, consider sending a letter or making a phone >call to Rep. Borski's home office. Whatever you can do to show your >support for privacy and security on the Net will make a big difference when >the issue is voted on by the full house in September. > >Instructions: > >1. Visit http://www.crypto.com/member/ > > Simply enter your Zip Code to: > > * Find the name and contact information for Rep. Borski; > * Learn about Rep. Borski's voting record and positions on > the encryption issue; > * Tips on how to set up a meeting and contacting Rep. Borski; > * Links to background information on the SAFE bill, and more. > >2. Forward this ALERT to your fiends and colleagues. Urge them to join > Adopt Your Legislator campaign at http://www.crypto.com/adopt/ > >Two years ago, the Internet user community responded in overwhelming >numbers to the threat of censorship and joined together to defeat the >Communications Decency Act. The ongoing debate over US encryption policy >reform is no less important, and will determine the future of privacy and >security in the Information Age. > >Now is the time to join the fight, before its too late. >________________________________________________________________________ >BACKGROUND ON THE ENCRYPTION POLICY ISSUE > >Complete background information, including: > >* A down-to-earth explanation of why this debate is important to > Internet users >* Analysis and background on the issue >* An analysis of the Risks of Key-Recovery by leading cryptographers >* Text of the Administration draft legislation >* Text of Congressional bills to reform US encryption policy, including SAFE >* Audio transcripts and written testimony from recent Congressional > Hearings on encryption policy reform >* And more! > >Are all available at http://www.crypto.com/ >________________________________________________________________________ >WHAT'S AT STAKE > >Encryption technologies are the locks and keys of the Information age, >enabling individuals and businesses to protect sensitive information >as it is transmitted over the Internet. As more and more individuals >and businesses come online, the need for strong, reliable, easy-to-use >encryption technologies has become a critical issue to the health and >viability of the Net. > >Current US encryption policy, which limits the strength of encryption >products US companies can sell abroad, also limits the availability of >strong, easy-to-use encryption technologies in the United States. US >hardware and software manufacturers who wish to sell their products on >the global market must either conform to US encryption export limits or >produce two separate versions of the same product, a costly and >complicated alternative. > >The export controls, which the NSA and FBI argue help to keep strong >encryption out of the hands of foreign adversaries, are having the >opposite effect. Strong encryption is available abroad, but because of >the export limits and the confusion created by nearly four years of >debate over US encryption policy, strong, easy-to-use privacy and >security technologies are not widely available off the shelf or "on the >net" here in the US. > >A recently discovered flaw in the security of the new digital telephone >network exposed the worst aspects of the Administration's encryption >policy. Because the designers needed to be able to export their >products, the system's security was "dumbed down". Researchers >subsequently discovered that it is quite easy to break the security of the >system and intrude on what should be private conversations. > >This incident underscores the larger policy problem: US companies are >at a competitive disadvantage in the global marketplace when competing >against companies that do not have such hindrances. And now, for the first >time in history, the Clinton Administration and members of the US Senate >have proposed DOMESTIC RESTRICTIONS on the ability of Americans to protect >their privacy and security online. > >All of us care about our national security, and no one wants to make it >any easier for criminals and terrorists to commit criminal acts. But we >must also recognize encryption technologies can aid law enforcement >and protect national security by limiting the threat of industrial >espionage and foreign spying, promote electronic commerce and protecting >privacy. > >What's at stake in this debate is nothing less than the future of >privacy and the fate of the Internet as a secure and trusted medium for >commerce, education, and political discourse. > >For more information on this issue and the various legislative and >administration proposals to reform US encryption policy, visit >http://www.crypto.com/ > >________________________________________________________________________ >ABOUT THIS ALERT > >This message was brought to you by the following Internet advocacy groups >who have joined together to educate Congress and the public about the >importance of encryption policy reform: > >* the Center for Democracy and Technology -- http://www.cdt.org/ >* the Voters Telecommunications Watch -- http://www.vtw.org/ >* the Electronic Frontier Foundation -- http://www.eff.org/ >* EFF-Austin -- http://www.eff-austin.org/ >* Americans for Tax Reform -- http://www.atr.org/ >* Wired Magazine -- http://www.wired.com/ > >For more information, visit http://www.crypto.com/about/ >_____________________________________________________________________________ >end alert 07.29.97 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: The Bull's last bite Date: 30 Jul 1997 11:32:17 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- THE BULL'S LAST BITE By Gary Krist New York Times July 30, 1997 WASHINGTON -- July 30, 2067 -- In a long-anticipated development, the Treasury Department announced today that the very last scrap of United States currency -- a worn and tattered $50 bill belonging to an unemployed steelworker in Germaine, Idaho -- has been invested in the stock market. A spokeswoman for Fidelity Investments confirmed receipt of the cash, which was promptly converted into a fractional share of the company's Global Exuberance Growth Fund. According to Treasury officials, this means that every dollar of American currency has now been used to purchase equities, long considered the only true no-risk form of personal asset. [Responding to the news with typical insouciance, stocks turned in a middling performance today, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average edging upward only 7,873,346.24 to close at 8,487,933,666.06, in very light trading.] While Wall Street seemed to shrug off the event, it did not go unnoticed here in the nation's capital. A small ceremony was held in the McDonald's/Intel Rotunda of the Capitol. Speaker Alida Sanchez, Libertarian of Indiana, joined Senator Hal Block, Perotian of Washington, the majority leader, in marking the event, unveiling a life-size gold statue of the Wall Street Bull. "We wanted to have it standing on a vanquished bear," the majority leader quipped, "but nobody could remember what a bear looks like!" Becoming serious, the Senator then led the assembled group of politicians, business executives and reporters in the constitutionally mandated three kowtows before the sacred idol, which is scheduled to replace the Freedom statue atop the Capitol dome early next week. After the ceremony, Speaker Sanchez reminisced about the days of the currency economy, when money was used for things other than making more money. "I remember selling cookies door-to-door for my Girl Scout troop," she said. "This was long before the Scouts gave up on Thin Mints and started selling call options and other derivatives. We were so na=EFve that we put all the profits into a C.D. paying just 3 or 4 percent!" Senator Block joined in the nostalgic spirit. "Back when I was a kid in Spokane, around the time when Washington State first became a subsidiary of Microsoft, I used to save all of my fives and tens for toys," he said. "I desperately wanted to buy a Tickle-Me-Alan-Greenspan doll. Remember those? But then I discovered that the return on stocks was more than enough to comfort me at night." While the celebrations continued in the capital, analysts in New York and Chicago discussed the consequences of nationwide full investment. "I don't see this as any threat to the 77-year-old bull market," said Daniel Dooling of Bertelsmann/ Compaq/Schwab Inc. "There are still plenty of euros bouncing around in financial backwaters like the Japanese and Martian economies. The pent-up demand they represent should keep the Dow afloat indefinitely." At least one stock watcher, however, expressed concern about the effects of the demise of cash. "The absence of liquidity is bound to result in a drop in demand for stocks," explained John Huang 3d of Goldman, Sachs/Time-Warner/Defense Department and Company. "This may cause a correction in the cycle, maybe by as much as 5 or 6 percent." But others scoffed at such pessimism. "They've been saying the same stuff for 70 years," Mr. Dooling said. "Back in 1997, the grandparents of these current doomsayers were warning us about the disparity between the growth in equity prices and the growth of the economy. They were wrong then, and they're wrong now. They just refuse to believe in the magic." Lighting a cigar with a novelty stock certificate for America Online, a long-defunct media-communications company, he added: "Hey, they didn't believe we'd be able to thaw and revive Bill Gates either, right? And now he's President of the United States. I rest my case." ______________________________________________ subscribe @ : : WJH-III ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Carol Howe Jury told of OC angle (fwd) Date: 30 Jul 1997 12:16:32 -0500 (CDT) Warning, if your one of those government conspiracy nuts do not read: This is not a cover up but is simply the government doing the peoples agenda, not.. Howe Jury Told of OC Angle David Harper World Staff Writer 7/30/97

The defense claims she warned an ATF agent about the 1995 bombing but was ignored and left to "fend for herself," forcing her to go further into the white supremacist movement.

For the first time, former federal informant Carol Howe's alleged warning of the April 19, 1995, Oklahoma City bombing was mentioned Tuesday to the jurors who will determine her fate.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Neal Kirkpatrick called Howe, 26, the "poster girl" for "conspiracy theorists" who believe that the government is trying to cover up information about supposed prior warning of the explosion at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, which killed 168 people.
Howe is on trial in federal court in Tulsa for an alleged conspiracy with James Dodson Viefhaus Jr. of Tulsa that prosecutors claim involved a perceived bomb threat as well as the supposed possession of elements that they say could have been crafted into a pipe bomb.
Viefhaus was convicted of all the charges in a separate trial last week.
During cross-examination of FBI agent Christopher Peters, Howe's attorney Clark O. Brewster brought up the Oklahoma City angle.
Brewster asked Peters whether it is true that Peters' wife, Angela Graham of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, had been named in two wrongful death lawsuits that allege she failed to act on Howe's reported warnings of the bombing.
Peters confirmed that the suits had been filed, but under "redirect" questioning from Kirkpatrick said that one suit had been dismissed.
Graham confirmed in an April 24 pre-trial hearing that Howe had told her that Andreas Strassmeir, a German national, had threatened federal buildings.
In a July 16 hearing in the Howe case, Brewster claimed that -- before the Oklahoma City bombing -- Howe had warned the ATF that residents of the far eastern Oklahoma religious compound known as Elohim City were talking of a "cataclysm" in the spring of 1995 and that federal buildings in Oklahoma City or Texas were being targeted.
Graham has not been directly questioned in court about Brewster's assertions, but the lawyer listed her Monday as a planned witness for the defense.
The prosecution continued with its case Tuesday. One of its witnesses, FBI agent Pete Rickel, said he talked with Howe in the spring of 1996, intending to discuss Elohim City in connection with the Oklahoma City investigation.
Instead, Rickel said, the conversation dealt with Howe's anger that the FBI leaked her status as an informant in March 1996 to Timothy McVeigh's defense team. Rickel said Howe wanted FBI protection.
He suggested she talk to the ATF about the situation, and she apparently already had.
During cross-examination, Brewster managed to introduce two April 1996 documents penned by the ATF that expressed the agency's frustration with the FBI for leaking Howe's name. The reports showed that the ATF thought the FBI owed Howe protection because she was "the key" source for identifying Elohim City residents in the Oklahoma City investigation, an FBI project.
One of those April 1996 reports apparently states that Howe had possibly been followed and had received suspicious telephone calls. One ATF report, as relayed by Rickel from the stand Tuesday, said Howe could be in "serious danger" from Elohim City residents, Tulsa white supremacist Dennis Mahon or anyone -- such as some militia members -- sympathetic to McVeigh.
Peters, who said he and Graham were married in August 1996, said Graham had told him she was angry at the FBI for releasing an ATF informant's name to the McVeigh defense, but she never mentioned Howe by name.
Despite Graham's anger, Rickel said he offered no protection to Howe and did not even make a note of the May 1996 conversation with her. Rickel said he did not hear from Howe again.
The issue is significant because the defense alleges that Howe had to "fend for herself" because she supposedly was offered no protection. Thus, the defense claims, Howe had no choice but to go even deeper into the white separatist movement, and self-preservation forced her into participating with Viefhaus in the activities of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Alliance of Oklahoma.
The prosecution, however, says Howe refused an offer from Graham to put her in a hotel for a weekend after her cover was blown. Prosecutors also say that Howe did not tell any government employee what she was up to after June 1995, when Graham and Howe allegedly agreed that Howe would do no more informant work.
Graham testified Friday during Viefhaus' trial that Howe never reported her activities with Viefhaus or the National Socialist Alliance of Oklahoma.
Rickel agreed Tuesday with a statement by Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin Leitch that an informant, by definition, keeps in "constant contact" with his or her bosses and promptly passes on any information gathered.
The government acknowledges that ATF records reflect that Howe was an informant through Dec. 13, the day a search warrant was executed at the east Tulsa house Viefhaus and Howe shared. However, Graham has testified that the only reason for Howe being "carried" as an informant from June 1995 through December 1996 is that "deactivation" of Howe would have meant that records of the Oklahoma City bombing investigation would have been destroyed.
Also on Tuesday, Kirkpatrick filed a motion asking that U.S. District Judge Michael Burrage disallow the anticipated testimony of Robert Sanders, a "former official" of the ATF. The U.S. Attorney's Office expects that Sanders will testify that Howe was an effective informant who was misused by Graham.
"Presumably," Kirkpatrick wrote, "Howe will argue that since she was improperly handled, she must have been left with the mistaken impression that she was acting on behalf of the ATF or other federal agency when she and Viefhaus acquired the explosives and made the tapes with the alleged threats."
Kirkpatrick argues that any such testimony will mislead the jury.
"A jury's determination of Howe's criminal intent is not dependent on Graham's conduct regardless of whether the conduct was proper or improper. It is important to remember that Howe, not the ATF, is on trial," he wrote.
Earlier in the day, Burrage allowed various Nazi and racist paraphernalia found in Howe and Viefhaus' home into evidence despite Brewster's assertion that its introduction was an attempt by the prosecution to "smear" Howe's character and convict her because of her one- time political beliefs.
Brewster, who claims that Howe gathered the material as part of her informant duties, said the evidence was "calculated" to get the jury to fear his client and put jurors in a mindset to send her to prison, even if the government does not prove the bomb threat and possible pipe bomb counts.
Leitch said, however, that the literature "shows how seriously (Howe and Viefhaus) held their beliefs. It explains their motivations. It explains their attitude and the context of why they had pipe bomb components."
Burrage issued a special instruction that the jury should consider the racist literature only to the degree that it might illustrate the defendant's state of mind. He issued a similar instruction in Viefhaus' trial.
Also, during Viefhaus' trial, Rickel first announced that he believes that convicted bomb conspirator Willie Ray Lampley originally made the statement that Viefhaus apparently paraphrased when he recorded the Dec. 8 hotline message that is the basis of the bomb threat charge against Howe.
Brewster asked Rickel on Tuesday whether CBS News anchorman Dan Rather would be arrested if he said the same words on the air, namely: "A letter from a high-ranking revolutionary commander has been written and received demanding that action be taken against the government by all white warriors by Dec. 15, 1996, and if this action is not taken bombs will be activated in 15 pre-selected U.S. cities."
Rickel said at first that Rather should be charged, but he quickly backed off that statement and said Rather's role as a reporter would make the situation different.
Under Leitch's questioning, Rickel said he had no information that Viefhaus or Howe were reporters.
FBI agent Bart Lowrance testified Tuesday that FBI agents found an ATF ballcap at Howe's house during the Dec. 13 search. Brewster insinuated that he intends to introduce evidence Wednesday that will supposedly show that the ATF was supposed to accompany the FBI to Howe's home.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Ground troop use at border suspended (fwd) Date: 30 Jul 1997 15:21:03 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- [IMAGE] The Texas & Southwest desk The Texas & Southwest desk Ground troop use at border suspended Fatal shooting of teenager could prompt policy shift, officials say 07/30/97 By Douglas Holt and David LaGesse / The Dallas Morning News As West Texas prosecutors prepare to present the case of a Marine's shooting of a teenage goat herder to a grand jury Wednesday, the nation's top defense official temporary halted all ground troops deployed on U.S. soil. The El Paso-based Joint Task Force-6, which coordinates military missions to support law enforcement, has "ceased all of their ground troop operations," Kevin Stephens, spokesman for the U.S. Atlantic Command based in Norfolk, Va., said Tuesday. Defense Secretary William Cohen issued the order Thursday. It was first reported by The Wall Street Journal Tuesday. The May 20 shooting of Esequiel Hernandez, an 18-year-old Presidio High School sophomore, prompted what could be a major policy shift away from the use of armed troops in support of civilian law enforcement, officials said. A grand jury in Marfa is expected to decide Wednesday whether to indict Marine Cpl. Clemente Banuelos for firing the single fatal shot. Military officials have said Cpl. Banuelos, who was leading a four-man anti-drug surveillance team near the Rio Grande in Redford, fired to defend another Marine. That put his actions in "strict compliance" with the military's rules of engagement, officials said. "The preliminary results indicate that these guys did everything by the numbers, and yet they still find themselves at risk of prosecution," said Mr. Stephens of the Atlantic command, which oversees Joint Task Force-6 operations. "We find that to be an unacceptable risk," he said. "How do you say to a guy, 'Hey, you can go out there and do everything right, and in case of an incident, you can still find yourself in jail?' " The decision to pull back the units came during an ongoing Pentagon review of the military's role along the border, which should be completed by the fall, officials said. The move abruptly ended three missions involving 38 Marines and soldiers who were deployed in California and Texas. Twelve planned missions that would have involved 440 troops were also put on hold, Mr. Stephens and officials of the task force said. Previously, Border Patrol sector chiefs in Marfa, El Paso and Del Rio temporarily halted military operations pending the review. But in California, troops had attracted little controversy and were still regularly deployed. "They're going to be missed," said Robert Gilbert, a Border Patrol supervisor in San Diego. "Our manpower was going further with their support." Donald Ferrarone, former special agent in charge of Drug Enforcement Administration in Houston, which oversaw border operations, said the military provided a valuable assistance to border enforcement. "The border is a sieve. It's a federal responsibility and our government, I believe, has to either put more Border Patrol, Customs and DEA, or we use this stop-gap of the military," he said. "I think they were a big help." In addition to listening and observation missions on the 2,000-mile border with Mexico, the order also will stop ground troops from working in the interior, such as at national parks where they sometimes have sought to detect marijuana growers. It leaves untouched military anti-drug missions that don't involve ground troops, such as intelligence analysis, road and fence building and military training for law enforcement officers. The decision drew mixed reviews in Congress, where several Texas members said they support the withdrawal. "I applaud the secretary's decision," said Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-El Paso. "I think it's the prudent and responsible thing to do until we know all the facts of the tragedy that occurred in Redford." Mr. Reyes also complained about remarks by Air Force Col. Henry Hungerbeeler, the task force's chief of staff, who reportedly said the shooting could have been avoided if the Border Patrol had responded to a call for help from the Marines within 15 minutes as operations agreements required. "I hope we're not going to see a lot of fingerpointing through the media," said Mr. Reyes, a former Border Patrol sector chief in El Paso. But another congressman wants the military to remain at the border. "Now is not the time to pull back - when we are already losing the war on drugs," said Paul Marcone, a spokesman for Rep. James Traficant, D-Ohio. The House recently approved a proposal by Mr. Traficant to authorize another 10,000 troops for the border, if requested by the administration. The proposal goes to a conference committee this week with the Senate, which has not approved the plan. Border rights activists praised the troop removal, but said policy makers should never have changed the law in the 1980s to put the military to work on the border. "It's about time," said Timothy Dunn, author of The Militarization of the U.S.-Mexico Border. "They woke up and saw the collision of worlds between the U.S. legal tradition and military culture," he said. "The military doesn't have to put up with inconvenient things like due process." © 1997 The Dallas Morning News ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: [RightNow] Ed Facts Special Alert (fwd) Date: 31 Jul 1997 08:00:53 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: RightNow@MailList.Net SPECIAL ALERT TO ED FACTS READERS STOP THE NATIONAL TESTING SCHEME! The Clinton Education Department is doing an end-run around congressional authority by developing federal tests for American school children. Since President Bill Clinton called for national tests in reading and math during his February 1997 State of the Union Address, the U.S. Education Department has been stealthily moving toward awarding contracts for the development of national tests. The Education Department is acting without the authorization of Congress. Moreover, the Education Department has no rightful authority to develop academic tests. The 1980 legislation creating the U.S. Education Department specifically prohibited the Department from involvement in curriculum issues. This centralized bureaucracy must not be allowed to usurp any more authority from local public schools. Rather than carving out a larger role for itself in local public schools, the federal Education Department should be returning money and control to the local level. In addition, a federal foray into national testing duplicates existing private testing efforts. Private tests, such as the Stanford Achievement Test, already provide parents with information about how their children perform in relation to national norms. Why de-privatize national testing? Finally, the federal government in 1994 enacted several major laws intended to restructure the American public education system: Goals 2000, School-to-Work and the Improving America's Schools Act. Outside, objective measures are the only means by which to accurately judge the effect of these major changes in our public education system. Federal tests keyed to federal restructuring plans will merely be self-evaluations and self-approval. Without congressional action to stop it, the U.S. Education Department will continue to develop and implement a national testing program, which it has no rightful authority to do. Rep. Bill Goodling plans to offer an amendment to the Labor/HHS/Education Appropriations bill, which will be on the floor Wednesday, that would prohibit the Education Department from using funds under the act for the development or implementation of national tests. Urge your U.S. Representative to Vote YES on the Goodling Amendment to Labor/HHS/Education Appropriations Bill CALL NOW! CAPITOL SWITCHBOARD: 202-224-3121 VOTE SCHEDULED IN THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TODAY (7/30/97). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To unsubscribe from this mailing list, DISREGARD ANY INSTRUCTIONS ABOVE and go to the Web page at http://www.maillist.net/rightnow.html. New subscriptions can also be entered at this page. If you cannot access the World Wide Web, send an e-mail message to RightNow-Request@MailList.Net and on the SUBJECT LINE put the single word: unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: The Democrats Chinese laundry Date: 31 Jul 1997 08:52:50 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Thursday, July 31, 1997 The Democrats' Chinese laundry Listening to some of the Democratic senators investigating campaign financing abuses is reminiscent of interviews given by the O.J. Simpson jurors. Don't bother them with the evidence. Their minds are made up. It's a tragedy that the establishment media have failed to elevate the hearings of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee to the prominence they deserve. You simply can't appreciate the substance, persuasiveness and drama of the testimony by reading about it in the papers the next day. You also can't begin to appreciate the lengths to which some on the committee will go to ignore the obvious truth -- that their party and their president willingly and knowingly solicited and accepted illegal campaign contributions from foreign sources. Instead, every Democratic senator on the committee, with the exception of Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-CT, chooses to obscure the issues -- to downplay the testimony of key witnesses, to put the best face on every bit of evidence that suggests laws were broken. When FBI agent Jerry Campane testified that Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, a long-time friend of President Clinton, laundered foreign money that may have come from the Communist Chinese government, Sen. John Glenn was almost speechless. Instead of asking Campane about the details of what he had found, Glenn and his colleagues asked the investigator his opinion about the need for stricter campaign finance laws. Campane explained that his expertise was in investigating violators of current laws, not writing new ones. Nevertheless, other Democratic senators continued to solicit his opinion about the need for new laws. Their agenda became more transparent than ever before. Let's forget about all the laws that have already been broken and let's write some new ones. Yue Chu, whose husband worked for Trie's business partner, Ng Lap Seng in Beijing, testified under oath that she wrote checks to the Democratic National Committee and immediately got reimbursed by her husband's boss who wanted "to come visit the White House ... to buy a ticket to pass the gate." Was the White House for sale? Ng, also known as Mr. Wu, sure thought so. So did Charlie Trie and those around him. Wonder where they got that impression? But none of the see-no-evil Democrats on the committee had their suspicions raised. Uh-uh. They insisted on proof that Wu's money transfers to Trie actually came from the government of China. Of course, without the testimony of Wu (hiding in China), Trie (hiding in China), his assistant (hiding in China) or the government in Beijing (not likely), hard, documentable proof could be elusive. However, the money did come from the Bank of China. Wu is a member of an organization that provides economic advice to the Communist Party and the central government in Beijing. He's also a business associate of Wang Jun, chairman of CITIC, a large Chinese company actually owned by the government and a major weapons manufacturer. You connect the dots. Does it take a super-sleuth to figure this out? Who was the beneficiary of all this largesse and foreign money? It was Bill Clinton, of course. It wasn't just the Democratic National Committee. Charlie Trie also gave $664,000 to the trust fund collecting money for Clinton's legal expenses. That money was ultimately returned and attempts were made to hide the fact that it was ever donated. And what did this money buy? It seems to have purchased the access to the president that was intended from the start. Mr. Wu did get his ticket to the White House. In fact, he got to visit the White House at least 10 times between 1994 and 1996. And Trie has visited the White House at least 23 times since Clinton moved in. In addition, he got an executive order naming him to the Commission on United States-Pacific Trade and managed to arrange a secret coffee between Clinton and Wang Jun, China's most important and well-known arms dealer. This is a scandal so ripe, I can't believe it is not dominating the front pages of every newspaper in the country. I can't believe CBS and ABC and NBC are dwelling exclusively on the tepid news about the budget deal. We're not just talking about some bad decisions made during the heat of a campaign, as some yellow-dog Democrats suggest. There is overwhelming evidence that White House access was sold to a hostile foreign power in exchange for money. But then, again, what do I know? I thought O.J. Simpson murdered Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. Joseph Farah is editor of WorldNetDaily and executive director of the Western Journalism Center, an independent group of investigative reporters. Go to the between the lines archive . Send e-mail to Joseph Farah . Back to WorldNetDaily =A91997, Western Journalism Center ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Grand Jury hears case on border shooting by Marines Date: 31 Jul 1997 09:12:28 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- [IMAGE] Texas & Southwest summaries Panel opens review of border shooting No decision reached on Marine's actions 07/31/97 By Douglas Holt / The Dallas Morning News MARFA, Texas - A grand jury of 12 people, including a U.S. Border Patrol assistant chief and other federal employees, began Wednesday reviewing the border shooting death of a teenager by a Marine. The grand jury broke up shortly after 7 p.m. District Attorney Albert Valadez told reporters that the panel would reconvene Aug. 14 after authorities gather more information and "will hopefully conclude the investigation at that time." The panel is to determine whether there is probable cause that Marine Cpl. Clemente Manuel Banuelos committed a crime when he fired his M-16 on May 20, killing 18-year-old Esequiel Hernandez Jr., a Presidio High School sophomore who was tending his family's goats. Mr. Hernandez's parents, Esequiel Sr. and Maria de la Luz, along with five of his seven siblings, made the 75-mile drive from Redford, where the shooting occurred, to the 111-year-old courthouse in Marfa to await the news. "All we want to see is justice done," said the oldest brother, Margarito Hernandez, 28, a Presidio County jailer. The panel includes a retired Border Patrol agent, two Customs inspectors and Joe Harris, a Border Patrol assistant chief in Marfa, the office that called for the Marines and oversaw the anti-drug surveillance mission that ended in Mr. Hernandez's death. Mr. Valadez said he saw no problem in Mr. Harris' presence on the grand jury, but added, "I have no control over that." Few in Marfa found it surprising that one-third of the grand jury are current or former federal employees. In a sprawling county with only 8,000 people and 135 miles of border with Mexico, "it would be unusual not to have a Border Patrol or Customs or immigration official on a jury or grand jury," Presidio County Judge Jake Brisbin said. Unlike a typical trial jury member, a grand juror is not disqualified by personal involvement or knowledge of a case, Mr. Valadez said. A grand juror must reside in the county of the possible offense, have a driver's license and not have been convicted of a felony. Individual jurors may, however, abstain from voting. Only nine out of the 12 are needed for an indictment. Jack Zimmermann, a Houston lawyer who represents Cpl. Banuelos, said federal officials on the panel "could cut either way" for the defense. "It could be an advantage for them because they would tend to go with law enforcement," he said, speaking to reporters outside the Presidio County courthouse. "It could be an advantage for us because their own agency is involved in the matter." Mr. Valadez said the grand jury Wednesday heard testimony from seven witnesses and reviewed photos, laboratory results and audio and video recordings. He said no federal officials testified. Texas Rangers earlier this summer hand-delivered subpoenaes to top officials of Joint Task Force-6, which coordinated the Marine mission, but federal officials said those subpoenaes were not written in the correct format. Mr. Valadez said Wednesday evening that, in the next two weeks, the panel will issue revised subpoenas for about eight federal officials. "I expect the cooperation of the federal government," he said. Mr. Zimmerman said at the end of the day that "we have to be encouraged" that the grand jury asked for more information. "I'm encouranged by the fact that this grand jury is working this hard and looking at all the evidence," he said. Earlier, Mr. Zimmerman lashed out at Texas Rangers investigators, whom he said improperly revealed too many specifics on the investigation. "If they had played by the rules, I wouldn't be talking to you right now," he said. But a lawyer representing the Hernandez family praised the Rangers. "The family is very appreciative of the Texas Rangers and the job they're doing," he said. "If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have any answers." © 1997 The Dallas Morning News About us ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Jewell says Justice report on him filled with lies Date: 31 Jul 1997 09:13:54 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- [IMAGE] Jewell says Justice report on him filled with lies 07/31/97 Associated Press WASHINGTON - Richard Jewell said Wednesday that the Justice Department report on his treatment as a suspect in the Atlanta Olympic bombing was filled with lies and distortions. He called on Congress to investigate. Mr. Jewell, testifying at a packed congressional hearing, demanded an accounting from the FBI for the 88 days he was investigated and held up to public ridicule before being cleared in the fatal blast. "I believe I am entitled to have the FBI publicly explain its conduct toward me and my mother," the former security guard said in a polite and subdued voice as his mother, a phalanx of lawyers and the House Judiciary crime subcommittee looked on. A Justice Department report released this week faulted FBI agents for tricking Mr. Jewell into waiving his right to a lawyer and said their actions hampered an investigation that still has produced no arrests. Mr. Jewell told the panel that the report is "filled with false statements, half-truths and gross distortions of the truth." He accused the FBI of conspiring with the news media to portray him as the bomber, even after agents became convinced he had nothing to do with it. Rep. Bill McCollum, R-Fla., chairman of the subcommittee, said he intends to pursue the matter and may call FBI Director Louis Freeh to answer questions at a second hearing. Mr. Jewell discovered the bomb before it exploded in Centennial Olympic Park on July 27, 1996. After being hailed a hero, he quickly became the FBI's main suspect and was interrogated by agents who pretended they wanted him to participate in a video about responding to bomb scenes. The FBI sent Mr. Jewell a letter last fall clearing him of any involvement in the blast, which killed one person and injured 111 others. Robert Bryant, an assistant director of the FBI, told the panel there is no merit to Mr. Jewell's charge of an FBI-media conspiracy to portray him as the bomber. "I deeply regret that his name was leaked to the media," Mr. Bryant said. "It not only damaged Richard Jewell in his reputation, but it has caused the FBI extreme damage to its investigation." © 1997 The Dallas Morning News ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Branch Davidian lawyer Dick DeGuerin defends Houston councilman against FBI sting operation? Date: 31 Jul 1997 09:17:57 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- [IMAGE] The Texas & Southwest desk The Texas & Southwest desk [IMAGE] [IMAGE] 2 councilmen indicted in bribery case Houston officials deny wrongdoing 07/31/97 Associated Press HOUSTON - Two current and two former Houston city councilmen were among six people indicted Wednesday on federal charges of accepting bribes to push through a $155 million downtown hotel project. A 10-month FBI sting resulted in charges against former councilmen Ben Reyes and John Peavy Jr.; current council members Michael J. Yarbrough and John Castillo; former Houston port commissioner Elizabeth "Betti" Maldonado; and lobbyist Ross C. Allyn. Those accused who could be reached for comment denied the charges. "I'm a victim of a scam and the people who ran the scam are the federal government," Mr. Yarbrough said. Ms. Maldonado's attorney, Dick DeGuerin, said once the facts are made clear at trial, a jury will "not only acquit Betti Maldonado, they'll be ready to lynch the FBI." An FBI agent and another person, both working undercover, approached Mr. Reyes in 1995, just months before he left the council under a law limiting terms, the indictment said. Posing as representatives of a fictitious company called Cayman Group, the FBI team hired Mr. Reyes for $50,000. The undercover agents also hired Mr. Allyn, an aide to Mr. Reyes, and Ms. Maldonado to help secure council votes for a bid submitted by developer Wayne Duddlesten. The FBI team told Mr. Reyes and others that they represented minority businessmen who were interested in the Duddlesten proposal because it offered minority investors ownership interest in the hotel project. The hotel, to be built near the George R. Brown Convention Center, is a public-private effort. Construction has not begun. During a November 1995 meeting with the FBI duo, Mr. Reyes instructed them on the importance of making cash payments to elected officials, the indictment alleges. The indictment also says Mr. Reyes, Mr. Allyn and Ms. Maldonado went immediately to work to get the votes of Mr. Peavy, Mr. Castillo and Mr. Yarbrough. In mid-January 1996, Mr. Reyes gave $3,000 to Mr. Castillo, $1,500 to Mr. Yarbrough and $2,500 to Mr. Peavy, according to the charges. The council approved the Duddlesten contract in a 13-2 vote on Jan. 31, 1996. The undercover sting was revealed on May 9, 1996, when FBI agents descended on City Council members' doorsteps to ask what each knew about the Cayman Group. Since then, there has been rampant speculation about the sting and its targets as the U.S. Department of Justice and FBI - which directed the sting operation from Washington - kept tight lips. That speculation ended Wednesday as the 11-count indictment was revealed. All six were charged with conspiracy in the first count. Mr. Reyes faces four bribery counts, while Mr. Allyn faces three and Mr. Castillo and Ms. Maldonado two each. Mr. Yarbrough and Mr. Peavy each face one count of bribery. Conviction carries punishments and fines ranging from 15 years and $500,000 on the charges that Mr. Yarbrough and Mr. Peavy face to 50 years and $1.5 million on the charges against Mr. Reyes. "I'm confident that when this clears the legal process I'll be cleared of wrongdoing," said Mr. Castillo, who was in a City Council meeting when the indictment was announced. "It's been a very difficult and very tragic year for me," said Mr. Reyes, the first Hispanic elected to Houston's City Council. Last October, his son, Ben Reyes Jr., committed suicide. There was no telephone listing for Mr. Allyn, and Mr. Peavy could not be reached Wednesday. Top legal talent hired to defend several of the six defendants said Wednesday that their clients were targeted because of their race. They also contended that the case is a classic example of FBI entrapment. "This is going to be a most interesting trial, because what we have is our representatives of the federal government creating circumstances that they now allege to be a crime," said Mike DeGeurin, Mr. Yarbrough's attorney. Mr. DeGeurin declined to address the bribery and conspiracy charges against his client. But he alleged, as other defense attorneys have, that the FBI focused on minority officials. "The facts are clear that the targets were minorities," Mr. DeGeurin said. All the defendants but Mr. Allyn are minorities. Mr. Yarbrough and Mr. Peavy are black. Mr. Reyes, Mr. Castillo and Ms. Maldonado are Hispanic. FBI Agent-in-Charge Don Clark denied that race had anything to do with the investigation. "The FBI does not keep statistics on the ethnicity of its subjects in any investigations," he said. "The FBI acts on facts, receives information, acts on facts and conducts investigations accordingly." Mayor Bob Lanier said the City Hall scandal shouldn't affect public opinion of city government. "You try to hold in your mind that people are innocent until proved guilty," Mr. Lanier said. "I really try to and I say that a little bit because in public opinion that point is almost lost. The accuser has so much higher standing than the accused." © 1997 The Dallas Morning News ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Let's Take Back Our NRA! (fwd) Date: 31 Jul 1997 09:21:22 PST On Jul 31, wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] [From Joel Friedman. E-mail: mochi1@ix.netcom.com] Dear Fellow Firearms Activists As some of may you know, I have been trying to get 3 petitions circulated and signed to change the bylaws of the National Rifle Association. Many of you have asked me to post the petitions on the internet so that it would be easier for everyone immediately to read these petitions, as well as to send copies of them to fellow NRA members. While I acknowledge that I am somewhat stubborn, I am also educable. The realities of the scope of this project, and the needs of many of the activists, have shown me that doing this by regular mail is difficult, if not impossible. Therefore, in this letter, I am putting the 3 petitions in electronic form. After reading these petitions, if any of you would like to help gather signatures for the proposed bylaw changes, there are several things that you need to know. Each petition must be on a separate sheet of paper. Everything written--including the lines for signatures--must fit on one side of the sheet of paper. The size of type and font you use to print out each petition will probably affect the number of signature lines. Please make any necessary adjustments --but ONLY TO THE SIGNATURE LINES--so that each petition always fits on one side on a single sheet. Any changes made to the text portion of the petitions makes them a DIFFERENT petition, and therefore subject to the same rules that apply to all petitions: it will void them, making them worthless. All the petitions below that I have printed out on my own printer have required me to use legal size paper. This has given me the room necessary for the text and has also allowed the signature/information line to be only ONE line long (as opposed to several lines, like the signature / information liner appear in this post). Below is a copy of most of the original internet post (letter) I sent out previously, with a few minor changes. I have also included brief explanations of the necessity, in my opinion, of each petition. The final 3 sections of this letter are composed of the petitions themselves. If you choose to participate, please keep in mind and follow two critically important, logistical instructions. First, the membership number MUST be next to each member's signature, or the signature will be worthless; and, second, the petitions must be in the NRA Secretary's hands BEFORE OR ON September 1st--or they will not be counted. Thank you for your time and help. Joel Friedman Benefactor Member e-mail mochi1@ix.netcom.com --- ORIGINAL INTERNET POST (May 11, 1997) "ONE SIMPLE REQUEST" This post is about the NRA's bylaws and the changes that we, the members, must make to bring the association back into the hands of the membership. Like many of you, I have been an activist busy trying to protect our firearms rights. I have not given a lot of attention to the how's and why's of the internal workings of our association. I have complained when things did not go the way I thought they should, but I have been too busy with the ongoing "fight" to let my disappointments fester. Now, all this has changed for me. Recent events have caused me take a long, hard look at our association, and I have tried to look at it as impartially as possible. However, no matter how I look at our association, there is one basic fact that is inescapable. We the members have almost no say in what goes on. A prime example is the election of the Executive Vice President of our association. This is the single most important job at the NRA. Over the years, we the members have given away our rights to have a say in this area. A wise person asked me, "Would you let your Congress elect your President?" I answered no. The person then said, "So why would you let your Board of Directors elect your Executive Vice President?" This perspective really got me to thinking, and doing some research into our bylaws. We have the power to change the present setup, as well as other things we do not like. We have to want to change it because it requires a lot of us to do it. It takes 500 eligible-to-vote members to sign a petition and have it back at the NRA Secretary's desk by September 1st. I am distributing this post because I am looking for 500 voting members who want to do something to help bring the power in our organization back to the members where it belongs--and away from the few who presently have it. Let's show those who think we don't care enough about our association that they are mistaken. Lets make some changes that really matter. Now. Sincerely, Joel Friedman --- EXPLANATION FOR EACH PETITION: PETITION #1. The first petition is about electing the NRA Executive Vice President. In 1985, we the members gave up our power to elect the EVP. Now is the time to take this power back! I would not let my Congress choose my President, so why should we let the Board choose our leader? It is my understanding that the reason we lost the power was because there was a vague fear that some anti-gun group might come to the NRA annual meetings and put their own person in the EVP job, and then ruin the organization. For a number of reasons, the petition for this proposed bylaw change would not allow this scenario to happen First, the voting would be by ballot, and would therefore require any element wishing to destroy our organization to buy--at minimum--30,000 life memberships at $750 each (23 million dollars). Second, the anti-gun group would have to come up with many thousands of dollars to run an election campaign. Finally, the anti-gun group would have to fool the majority of the voting members into believing that all the other candidates were not the right ones for the betterment of the organization. Is this scenario POSSIBLE? Yes. Anything, of course, is possible. It is "possible" the sun might not come up tomorrow morning--but it is not "probable." In other words, the scenario of an election stolen by anti-gunners is extremely improbable. I personally do not think it will EVER happen. However, if you disagree, then it would be better for you NOT to sign this first petition. PETITION #2. The second petition is about changing the percentage of NRA Board members necessary to make a bylaw change. NRA bylaws are like a constitution. We all know how difficult it is to change the U.S. Constitution. But why is it presently so EASY to change the bylaws of the NRA? The bylaws are being changed at almost every Board meeting. Even "Roberts Rules of Order" say a bylaw change should require a super majority (2/3 of the Board). The time has arrived to change our NRA bylaws to say that it should take at least TWO-THIRDS (2/3) of the Board of Directors to approve any change in our bylaws. There is also a provision in this petition that allows for an emergency. If it becomes necessary to change a bylaw immediately, a 3/4 vote by the Board of Directors can change a bylaw AT ANY TIME (otherwise, bylaws can only be changed at a specified Board meeting, as noted in the petition). While a 3/4 vote is not an easy thing accomplish, it does allow our organization to function without interruption in the event something unusual might occur. Again, if you do not agree with this, then it would be better for you not to sign the second petition. PETITION #3. The third petition is derived from a discovery I recently made that truly shocked me. According to my understanding of current NRA Board policy, any and all resolutions that are passed at the Annual meeting of Members are NOT allowed to be discussed at the Board meetings! This is 180 degrees opposite of what I had previously believed. I erroneously thought that all the resolutions we pass at our Annual Meetings were first discussed by the Board, and then voted on. But this is NOT the case! I believe that we the members must mandate that resolutions must be discussed at Board meetings. (Again, if you do not agree with this, it would be better for you not to sign this petition.) In summary, if you agree with one, several, or all of the enclosed petitions, please make copies and try to get as many signatures as soon as possible. This project is truly a grassroots effort. I am NOT getting any help from anyone--except from you, and those who feel just as you do. I believe in WE THE MEMBERS. And I believe that WE THE MEMBERS must make these important changes. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Sincerely, Joel Friedman --- PETITION NUMBER # 1 PETITION OF NRA MEMBERS: PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE V OF THE BYLAWS OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA To change the way the National Rifle Associations' Executive Vice President is selected and elected Purpose: To give the membership control over the election of The Executive Vice President and also to create a means for others wishing to seek that position to run 1. Pursuant the provisions of Art. XV, section 4 (Amendments by Mail by the Membership), Subparagraphs (b) and (e) [pages 44 & 45 of the September 14, 1996 edition], regarding proposals for changes to the Bylaws submitted by Petition of Members: We, the undersigned eligible members of the National Rifle Association of America, do hereby petition for Amendments to the NRA Bylaws as follows: a. That the Secretary of the NRA prepare a ballot bylaw amendment(s) showing any and all the necessary changes required to amend the current bylaws from there current state to a condition whereby the election of the EVP shall be conducted by mail ballot at the time of the ballot elections of the Board of Directors for a three (3) year term. b. That this amendment(s) shall also include any and all modifications necessary to insure that all NRA members eligible to vote shall be the only ones to elect the EVP by a majority vote of the ballots submitted during that election cycle, and the members choice, without claim, shall be binding on the National Rifle Association of America. c. That the current EVP. as an incumbent, shall have his/her name automatically entered as a candidate for reelection. That The EVP position shall also be open to any and all person wishing to be elected to this office providing, that all said persons shall be lifetime members of the NRA and have accompanying their request to be entered on the ballot, signed petitions stating these intentions. Such petitions must bear the signatures, names, membership identification numbers and addresses of no less than 500 members eligible to vote and must be received by the Secretary no later than October 1st. of the year prior the mailing of the ballot. e. That this bylaw amendment, if accepted, can only be changed, modified, and/or amended by a majority vote of the NRA Members eligible to vote, by mail ballot,in the manner hereinabove described. f. That any and all changes to the bylaws as a result of any and all petitions submitted during the same period as this petition shall have no effect on the implementation of this bylaw change should it be adopted by a majority vote of the ballots submitted during this single election cycle. Signers must be Life Members or annual Members for 5 or more consecutive years. Those who sign must include their NRA Membership Identification Number, Name, and Address, date of signing and signature or the signer will be invalid MEMBERSHIP IDENTIFICATION NUMBER ______________ NRA MEMBERSHIP NAME AS LISTED IN NRA FILES _________________________ NRA MEMBERSHIP ADDRESS AS LISTED IN NRA FILES (STREET, CITY, STATE, ZIP CODE) _________________________________________________ SIGNATURE ____________________________ DATE _______________ RETURN TO: NRA Secretary, 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, Virginia 22030, by September 1, 1997 --- PETITION NUMBER # 2 PETITION OF NRA MEMBERS: PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE XV OF THE BYLAWS OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA TO LIMIT THE AUTHORITY OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO AMEND THE NRA BYLAWS Purpose: To stop the constant changing of the Bylaws by the Board of Directors, for political and unnecessary reasons. To eliminate the financial expense required to revise and reprint new editions of the Bylaws, as a result of the constant changes almost every Board meeting. 1. Pursuant the provisions of Art. XV, section 4 (Amendments by Mail by the Membership), Subparagraphs (b) and (e) [pages 44 & 45 of the September 14, 1996 edition], regarding proposals for changes to the Bylaws submitted by Petition of Members: We, the undersigned eligible members of the National Rifle Association of America, do hereby petition for Amendment to Section 1 of Article xv [page 43 of the officially printed Bylaws] by adding a new subparagraph 1(a) as follows: 2 (a) Any proposed changes to these Bylaws by the Board of Directors must be timely introduced and considered in accordance with all other provisions of this Article, but must be considered for adoption only at the Winter meeting of the Board of Directors, unless authorized by a three-fourths vote of the the entire Board of Directors for consideration at another meeting of the Board, the intent being to discourage constant change to the Bylaws and to limit amendments by the Board to only one time per year. 3. And pursuant to the usual requirements prescribed and recommended by Roberts Rules Of Order Newly Revised, we also hereby petition for Amendment of Section 1 and 2 of Article XV [page 43] to strike the words "a majority and insert "two thirds" (on line three of Sec. 1 line three of Sec. 2 (a) and line 4 of Sec. 2(b). 4. The above changes shall take effect immediately following the repairs to the NRA Bylaws which return them to the condition as existed on January 1, 1995. Signers must be Life Members or annual Members for 5 or more consecutive years. Those who sign must include their NRA Membership Identification Number, Name, and Address, date of signing and signature or the signer will be invalid MEMBERSHIP IDENTIFICATION NUMBER ______________ NRA MEMBERSHIP NAME AS LISTED IN NRA FILES _________________________ NRA MEMBERSHIP ADDRESS AS LISTED IN NRA FILES (STREET, CITY, STATE, ZIP CODE) _________________________________________________ SIGNATURE ____________________________ DATE _______________ RETURN TO: NRA Secretary, 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, Virginia 22030, by September 1, 1997 --- PETITION NUMBER # 3 PETITION OF NRA MEMBERS: PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE III OF THE BYLAWS OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA To change the way the National Rifle Associations' Board of Directors addresses members resolutions Purpose: To change the Board of Directors ruling on review of resolutions passed at the Annual meeting of the members 1. Pursuant the provisions of Art. XV, section 4 (Amendments by Mail by the Membership), Subparagraphs (b) and (e) [pages 44 & 45 of the September 14, 1996 edition], regarding proposals for changes to the Bylaws submitted by Petition of Members: We, the undersigned eligible members of the National Rifle Association of America, do hereby petition for Amendments to the NRA Bylaws as follows: a. That the Secretary of the NRA prepare a ballot bylaw amendment(s) that will create a subsection to Article III section 8 hereinafter known as (e) b. The Secretary shall also insure that subsection (e) shall be properly worded so as to insure that any and all resolutions that are passed by a majority vote of the members eligible to vote at any and all annual meetings of the members as described in Article III Section 8 (a) and/or any and all Special Meetings of Members as described in Article III Section 8 (b) shall be brought before the Board of Directors at their next meeting (as described in Article IV Section 3 (a), (b), (c), (d) inclusive) immediately after any of these said resolution(s) have passed, but in no way shall this time period be more than 150 days after these said resolutions have passed. c. The bylaw amendment shall also insure that these said resolutions shall be read by the President during the meeting under the agenda heading "new business", but in no way may the meeting be adjourned without these hereinabove stated motions being brought up. d. The bylaw shall also insure that after the resolution is read, it shall not require a second and debate shall begin. The resolutions must be voted on and the results of these votes shall be published in the official journal within 90 days of the vote. Each board members name and how they voted shall also be published in the official journal at the same time. e. That this bylaw amendment, if accepted, can only be changed, modified, and/or amended by a majority vote of the NRA Members eligible to vote, by mail ballot. f. That any and all changes to the bylaws as a result of any and all petitions submitted during the same period as this petition shall have no effect on the implementation of this bylaw change should it be adopted by a majority vote of the ballots submitted during this single election cycle. Signers must be Life Members or annual Members for 5 or more consecutive years. Those who sign must include their NRA Membership Identification Number, Name, and Address, date of signing and signature or the signer will be invalid. MEMBERSHIP IDENTIFICATION NUMBER ______________ NRA MEMBERSHIP NAME AS LISTED IN NRA FILES _________________________ NRA MEMBERSHIP ADDRESS AS LISTED IN NRA FILES (STREET, CITY, STATE, ZIP CODE) _________________________________________________ SIGNATURE ____________________________ DATE _______________ RETURN TO: NRA Secretary, 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, Virginia 22030, by September 1, 1997 [end.] [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ____________________________________________________________________________ An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | If Guns are | Let he who hath no | Keep weapon in every | by COLT; | outlawed, only | weapon sell his | Your hand = Freedom | DIAL | RIGHT WINGERS | garment and buy a | Powder on every side! | 1911-A1. | will have Guns. | sword. Jesus Christ | Dry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Dear Charlie, (Clinton and the Red Chinese) Date: 31 Jul 1997 16:47:15 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Organization: none I have gotten permission from Tom Fitton to spread this around the internet.If you belong to any other lists pleas zap this into its site. Thank you in advance. Alex Mulkern 'Dear Charlie' At the request of several Opinion, Inc. readers, we offer the complete text of the letters between Charlie Trie, fugitive Clinton fundraiser, and President Clinton about U.S. fleet movements in response to military pressure aimed at democratic Taiwan by the Chinese communist military. The nature, text, and context of these letters have been virtually ignored by the Big Media. The following letter to President Clinton from Charlie Trie was faxed by former White House aide Mark Middleton to the Oval Office on March 21, 1996 with a handwritten cover notation reminding the White House that "Charlie Trie is a personal friend of the President from LR (Little Rock). He is also a major supporter. The President sat beside Charlie at the big Asian fundraiser several weeks ago." Hours before this letter was faxed, Trie hand-delivered $460,000 in checks to the Clinton's legal defense trust fund. All these checks, plus an additional $122,000 in additional Trie-directed donations, were returned three months later because of evidence that they were forged and funneled to Clinton's slush fund by a Taiwan-based Buddhist cult. At the time these letters were sent, Trie was also receiving wire transfers from Macao resident Ng Lap Seng totaling $905,000. FBI analysis shows that at least $220,000 of this laundered foreign cash ended up in DNC coffers. A foreign national, Ng serves as an adviser to the Chinese Communist Party and government and was a frequent visitor to the White House (12 times). Ng attended an intimate dinner with President Clinton in the White House residence and received a private tour of the White House with his business partner Wang Jun (the Chinese communist arms merchant) on the same day Wang attended a coffee with the President of the United States (February 6, 1996). Trie, Ng's and Wang's associate/money launder, showed up with the $460,000 in laundered cash for Clinton's illegal legal defense trust fund a little over a month later. Federal law prohibits the solicitation and/or acceptance of cash gifts by federal employees, including Clinton. The text of Trie's letter (mistakes and all) to Clinton and Clinton's response to his moneyman Trie follows. Dear President, Regarding the current situation in the Taiwan Strait Crisis and also the U.S. aircraft carriers and cruisers involvement, I would like to propose some import points to you in order not to endanger the U.S. interest based on the followings: 1. Any negative outcomes of the U.S. decision in the China Issue will affect your administration position especially in this campaign year; 2. Why U.S. has to send the aircraft carriers and cruisers to give China a possible excuse of foreign intervention and hence launch a real war? And, if the U.S. recognizes "one China" policy, don't such conduct will cause a conflict for "intervening China's internal affairs?" Therefore, won't the recent inconsistent talks by the captains and some governmental officials in the mass media cause problems for the U.S. policy or not interference of China's internal affairs? 3. With the Chinese background and the recent six years business experiences in China and Taiwan, I think the U.S. senators and Congressman do not fully know that most Chinese don't expect the intervention of the U.S. 4. Before last June, there is no conflict beween the common goal of economic growth and cooperations of China and Taiwan, Li's visit is the direct cause of this crisis. 5. Has the U.S. government considered if China starts to occupy the two small outer islands (Wu Chiu and Ma Tzu), will the U.S. proclaim war against China? Or just withdraw its ships? Won't the second choice need some explanation of today's involvement? 6. The complication of China's internal problems of military challenges to the Jiang Tze-Ming administration, together with other possible independence movements from Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Xin-Jiang and the returning of Hong Kong issue, the bluff to Taiwan Independence issue, Will U.S. be involved in such complicated internal matter by showing up the military ships at present moment? 7. Once the hard parties of the Chinese military inclined to grasp U.S. involvement as foreign intervention, is U.S. ready to face such challenge? 8. It is highly possible for China to launch real war based on its past behavior in Sino-Vietnam war and Zhen Bao Tao war with Russia. I hope this president will carefully consider these issues and make the decisions that are beneficial to the U.S., China and Taiwan altogether. Yours sincerely, Charlie Y.L. Trie Trie's letter, along with Middleton's reminder of his fundraising relationship to Clinton, was sent along to the National Security Council (NSC). Five NSC staffers had a hand in drafting Clinton's response, including then-National Security Adviser Anthony Lake. Clinton's NSC-drafted response came on the two days after Trie tried to deliver another $179,000 in contributions to the Clintons' legal defense trust fund. At the time of Clinton signed letter, Bill, Hillary and other key White House staffers had been informed of Trie's laundered contributions to his legal defense trust fund on March 21, 1996. Documents also indicate Clinton saw Middleton's notes about the Trie-Clinton cash connection. The White House Washington April 24, 1996 Dear Charlie: Thank you for the letter you sent via Mark Middleton I hope that events since you wrote have clarified U.S. policy, but let me mention some additional points. U.S. policy at the time, particularly the redeployment of the Independence and the Nimitz, was intended as a signal to both Taiwan and the PRC that the United States was concerned about maintaining stability in the Taiwan Strait region. It was not intended as a threat to the PRC. Moreover, we made clear to both sides that U.S. interests were engaged in the region, and that we wished for PRC-Taiwan disputes to be resolved through peaceful means. We all are glad that tensions in the Strait have receded since that time, and the action we took played a part in that development. It was good to hear from you. Sincerely, Bill Clinton (signature) Mr. Charlie Y.L. Trie c/o CommerceCorp International 1455 Pennsylvania Avenue, Suite 560 Washington, DC 20004 ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas ========================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Ferris Subject: Re: Fwd: For Grins: Nazi Tattoo Catches Reporters Napping (fwd) Date: 31 Jul 1997 23:36:41 -0400 (EDT) NOTE: THIS SATIRE IS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO "NOBAN" OR "FIREARMSREG" !!! But reading it will sure as heck give you a good laugh and some "political lampooning" ammo to use against two powerful U.S. Senators (Rockefeller and Daschle) who have sided with Wee Willie J.C. in taking away Americans' gun-related rights and invaluable freedoms during the past few years. Enjoy. And ask yourselves what the media would have done had Mr. McCumbers, the wearer of the swastika tattoo, been described by any principled Republican conservative or libertarian on Capitol Hill as "a very close and personal friend" ... the media feeding frenzy would still be ongoing, and no scraps would be left for airborne vultures circling overhead. But, then again, our national media put the former Soviet Union's press organs to shame, making the former Soviet propaganda machine appear to have been run by rank amateurs. The "B" in ABC, CBS and CBS most certainly stands for "bias", does it not? Regards, Chris Ferris Litchfield NH ferriscc@mainstream.net ______________________________________________________________________________ THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE (Disassociated Press, July 30, 1997, Washington, D.C.) White House Supremacist spokesperson Mike McCurry, during a hastily called press conference held on a remote West Virginia hillside beneath the light of a burning cross fueled by EPA approved reformulated gasoline, urged a group of wife-beating, pick up truck-driving, beer-swilling, trailer park-residing Democrat U.S. Senators not to desert unmasked fellow Klinton Klucking Klansmen Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) and Senator Tom Daschle (D-SD) in the Klinton Klucking Klan's time of need. Having introduced the esteemed Mr. Rick McCumbers, a native citizen of West Virginia whose right wrist bears a tattoo of a Nazi swastika, as "a very close and personal friend", Klinton Klansman Rockefeller soon found himself under siege by NAACP President Kweisi Mfume, the Reverend Al Sharpton and Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr. Thundered Mfume, "Now that the evil called 'intolerance' has been uncovered in this klandestine Klinton klavern, all principled Americans must condemn these Democrats who, while pretending to be supporters of the downtrodden by day, consort with swastika-wearing hate mongers by night! When Rockefeller and Daschle, begging for our understanding, come over, we, yes, we shall overcome!" Added Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr., (m)fuming as he spoke, "When Jay Rockefeller and Tom Daschle call a swastika-wearing yahoo 'a close and personal friend', well, I am here to tell you that Rockefeller's and Daschle's idea of a Saturday night full of 'affirmative action' might be to convince some of their Klinton klavern kleagles to torch a house of worship! America, the mask has been pulled off of hatred's face, and behind that mask, you see the faces of elite 'Clinton supporters' whom we have called friends. During the early part of the 20th century, this, too, was the pattern of real Ku Klux Klan operations. Politicians who were respectable by day guided the operations of horse-borne, hate-filled criminals by night. In this case, we now know that Rockefeller and Daschle probably do the boot scoot boogie (to Brooks & Dunn) late at night way back in the woods and swamps next to rebel-flag waving, swastika-wearing racists, and we will expose to all caring Americans this 'dirty side' of the Democrat leadership in the U.S. Senate. Let me hear you say 'amen' to that, brothers and sisters!" Klinton Klucking Klan spokesperson McCurry, speaking in soft, slick tones beneath barely flickering flames as the once burning cross began to smolder and smoke, urged robed, hooded reporters present on the West Virginia hillside to seek "common White (House) ground" with Senators Rockefeller and Daschle. He reminded all persons present that the demonized swastika had been a native American symbol and that the Nazis had been well meaning socialists who might have been able to "re-order" Europe's future if, indeed, William J. Clinton had been their leader. He also reminded the reporters present of their secret oaths taken to defend "dirty white boys" such as Rockefeller and Daschle against attack on national news programs as well as on Sunday morning political talking head TV shows. The pro-KKK (Klinton Klucking Klan) rally ended as McCurry led all present as they sang, in sequence, the theme song from "Mister Roger's Neighborhood", the "Barney" theme song and then "Dixie", followed by some virulently racist heavy metal hits. Mr. McCumbers, Rockefeller's and Daschle's "good friend" whose wrist bears a swastika tattoo, was last seen being forced into the back seat of a black Ford Crown Victoria sedan by two "Men In Black" wearing mirror sunglasses. (Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones were nowhere to be seen.) Informed sources speculate that Mr. McCumbers will be "seen nowhere", and very, very soon, for a very, very long time. Some would call it "The Jimmy Hoffa Plan." THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE Chris Ferris Litchfield NH ferriscc@mainstream.net > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:36:06 -0400 (EDT) > From: XcongressX@aol.com > To: XcongressX@aol.com > Subject: Fwd: For Grins: Nazi Tattoo Catches Reporters Napping > > Nazi Tattoo Catches Reporters Napping > The Washington Post; Page C01 > Monday, July 28, 1997 > > By Howard Kurtz, Washington Post Staff Writer > > Two senators call a news conference to present an average, hard-working > American who -- to their embarrassment -- turns out to have a Nazi swastika > tattooed on his arm. Is that news? [if nothing else it would make a good > closer - what irony!] > > Several major media organizations didn't think so. The West Virginia truck > driver was trotted out by Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) and Minority Leader > Tom Daschle (D-SD) as someone who would be helped by the Clinton tax plan. > Rockefeller, clearly unaware of the tattoo, introduced the man as "a very > close and personal friend." > > "If it had been a Republican, this would have been a huge scandal that the > Republicans had brought out a Nazi sympathizer," said House GOP spokesman > Ari Fleischer. Instead, it was reported as a brief item only by the Hill, the > Capitol Hill weekly, and by Associated Press Radio. > > "According to what I was told, the guy was a teenager when he did it," said > Hill Editor Albert Eisele. "I didn't think it merited crucifying him. We > didn't think it should be blown into a major story. Maybe we made a mistake." > > Most of the reporters at Daschle's July 18th news briefing (including two > from The Washington Post) couldn't see that Rickey McCumbers, the $5-an-hour > worker there with his wife, had a small swastika near his right wrist. But > Roberta Hornig, an NBC reporter seated near McCumbers, said "my eyes popped" > when she saw it. > > Lacking videotape of the offending symbol, Hornig said, "I just thought it > would be unfair to make an issue of this couple who Rockefeller was using to > make a point. It would have blown it way out of proportion." > > A CNN producer phoned it in for "Inside Politics," but on a busy day, said > Washington Bureau Chief Frank Sesno, "like many other pieces of copy, it > didn't make it. . . . I think it's a story. Clearly if Newt Gingrich walked > out with a guy with a swastika on his arm, people would have jumped all over > it." Sesno said he would further examine the matter. Rockefeller spokesman > Jim Whitney said that "we didn't know about it" until questioned by > reporters. McCumbers "told me he had it done when he was `young and stupid' > and that he regretted it," Whitney said. The senator actually met McCumbers > for the first time after New York Times columnist Bob Herbert wrote about him > last month as a typical low-income American who needs tax relief. Did the > press fall down on the job? Reporters traffic in symbolism all the time -- > remember President Clinton's $200 tarmac haircut, or Dan Quayle's misspelling > "potato" -- and the news conference itself was an exercise in political > symbolism. The journalists who sat on the story clearly gave the Democrats a > pass. > > (c) Washington Post 1997 - Fair Use Only >