From: Steve Silver Subject: GunTruths.Com: Please link Date: 01 Oct 1998 10:58:32 -0700 GunTruths.Com is a recently unveiled resource for pro-firearms activists. If you haven't already done so, please be sure to check it out. The URL is: www.guntruths.com. Be sure to check out The Resource Center (you will have to be willing to state you believe in self-defense to access this page!). The GunTruths.Com site is still being refined and expanded. At present, we need links to other organzations. Please check out our links page and send us an e-mail if you are not listed. The links URL is: www.guntruths.com/Resource/links_to_other_pro.htm. GunTruths.Com was funded by a special grant from The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society, Inc. Thank you, Steve Silver Vice President, The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society, Inc. 18034 Ventura Blvd., No. 329, Encino, CA 91316 * (818) 734-3066 For a complimentary copy of the LSAS's newsletter, "The Liberty Pole," e-mail your snail-mail address to: LSAS3@aol.com. The LSAS is a 501(c)(4) California non-profit corporation * * * GET THE TRUTH ABOUT GUNS. VISIT: www.guntruths.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ Date: 01 Oct 1998 13:26:47 PST This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Ferris Subject: "Partisans Are People" Sends Letter to The New White House Press Secretary (SATIRE) Date: 02 Oct 1998 17:52:48 -0400 (EDT) THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE October 2, 1998 Office of the Press Secretary The White House Washington, D.C. 20500 Dear Comrade Press Secretary: We, as co-chairmen of the respected Eastern European veterans' advocacy organization PARTISANS ARE PEOPLE (PAP), are writing to you to express our growing dismay over the U.S. Democratic Party's and your office's misuse of the adjective "partisan" to describe current actions of U.S. Republican politicians who, during World War II, neither fought with Russian partisan units against Hitler's invading forces nor fought with Marshal Joseph Broz-Tito's (not to be confused with keyboard wizard Tito Puente) partisan units against Nazi troops stationed in Yugoslavia during the same conflict. PAP has worked hard over the years to clarify the critical role played by real partisans in defeating Hitler's hordes, and we can assure you that we searched our archives and queried survivors of The Big One (not including Monica ... hers was a different big one) to determine if Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott or Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich had seen service as "pampers partisans" in irregular units composed entirely of newborns and of children under the age of five. We could find no evidence of Lott or Gingrich having had any wartime affiliation whatsoever with Russian or Yugoslav partisan units, nor are they dues paying members of PAP. Heck, Messrs. Lott and Gingrich don't even know the words to the PAP fight song! Therefore, we must insist that you and your fellow rabid Clintonista spin meisters cease this unauthorized use of the copyrighted word "partisan" to make reference to your fellow Americans who may merely be intent on seeing that the whole truth is uncovered about your so-called U.S. President whom geishas refer to as "Party-San" when he visits Tokyo with his White House entourage. Please be certain to spell out "Party-San" whenever that unique proper noun is used to describe the current occupant of The House That Is White, where "Party-San" probably guzzled mutiple White Russians while chasing Monica around his desk. We have enclosed some membership information about PAP for your reference files. Note that PAP is quite different from pap, which your press office generates in voluminous quantities. Do not hesitate to contact us if you should have any questions regarding this vital matter. Remember, partisans are people, too. Respectfully, Slowboatdan Gotmilktoomuch Villie Hegropedmadoddatoo Co-Chairmen PARTISANS ARE PEOPLE (PAP) 1600 Painsylserbia Avenue Notvoshintone, Yugoslavia 90210 THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE THIS IS A SATIRE - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: rkba-list: NEJM letter (fwd) Date: 02 Oct 1998 17:43:10 PST On Oct 2, Edgar Suter wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] 2 October, 1998 Letter to the Editor Jerome P. Kassirer, MD Editor-in-Chief, New England Journal of Medicine 1440 Main Street Waltham, MA 02154-1649 Re: Teret SP, Webster DW, Vernick JS et al. "Support for New Policies to Regulate Firearms." NEJM. 1998; 339(12):813-818. Dear Dr. Kassirer, Several familiar gun control advocates whose research groups are (or have been) members of a gun control pressure group[1] have conducted a poll that purportedly finds public support for gun control policies that they and the source of their funding advocate.[2] Leff, whose group also funds such radical gun ban groups as the innocently-named Violence Policy Center and Children's Defense Fund, is among the authors. Though vocal in libelously characterizing our independent group as "NRA surrogates,"[3] NEJM concealed these authors' compromising affiliations, a dishonest "double standard." So much for NEJM's objectivity, forthrightness, and self-lauded "peer review." This poll typifies NEJM's habitual and unscientific dishonesty in service of its politics as reviewed by Kleck.[4] To the enhancement of the public debate and thanks to the internet's multithousandsfold-wider readership, knowledge of the illegitimate practices of these "usual suspects" extends far beyond NEJM's censorious paper fiefdom, explaining Congressional restraint on CDC's use of tax money to play gun politics. Now the "usual suspects" must seek funding from private advocacy groups. Even if we were to ignore NEJM's outrageous concatenation of bias and gross conflict of interest, readers are properly skeptical of polls. Similar polls touted lopsided massive support for California's 1982 gun control initiative, Proposition 15,[5] and Washington's 1997 gun "safety" initiative, Initiative 676,[6] shortly before these measures were trounced by voters by almost 3-to-1 margins (the gun ban lobby's most craven and pandering "for the children" propaganda notwithstanding). I-676's recent and wide margin defeat is all the more portentous in this context because I-676 included virtually the entire licensing and gun design wish list for which this poll supposedly found wide support. An explanation from the Wall Street Journal regarding other simplistic polls is apropos: "I have often found that the responses to bottom-line questions were misleading. That's why political pollsters also test subsidiary arguments and try to pose questions that give clues about how people will react when they have fuller information and when they have focused on an issue."[7] Sincerely, Edgar A. Suter MD National Chair Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research Inc. 5201 Norris Canyon Road #220 San Ramon CA 94583 USA [1] Handgun Epidemic Lowering Plan Network. Membership and Statement of Purpose sections of the untitled announcement and registration form for the 1st annual meeting. 1994. [2] The Joyce Foundation. 1994 Annual Report. Chicago IL. 1994. p.53-59. [3] Kassirer J. "A Partisan Attack on Science - The Threat to the CDC." NEJM. 1995; 333(12):793-4. [4] Kleck G. "Illegitimate Practices in Summarizing Firearm Research." in Targeting Guns: Firearms and their Control. Hawthorne NY: 1997. Chapter 2. [5] Bordua DJ. "Adversary polling and the construction of social meaning: Implications in gun control elections in Massachusetts and California." Law & Policy Quarterly 1983(5):345-366. [6] According to Tom Wales, a federal prosecutor who chaired the campaign for I-676: "Six weeks before the election, support for Initiative 676 was 60%...." in "A Hit From the NRA" Washington Post February 24, 1998. p. A21 [7] Barone M. "Impeachment Unpopular? Look Deeper." Wall Street Journal. September 19,1998. p. A10. 1 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RAPTUS: Fwd: Educational trends (fwd) Date: 02 Oct 1998 20:04:36 PST On Oct 2, FrizBMG@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Hi everybody.This was forwarded to me and I am passing it on.Enjoy. Tony For all with an ability to keep their heads out of the sand and savour the detiorization of education, the coming of the Y2K crisis, etc. here is a greatreview of how we got here from there------ << In the spirit of the new school year: Teaching math in 1950: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit? Teaching math in 1960: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit? Teaching math in 1970: A logger exchanges a set "L" of lumber for a set "M" of money. The cardinality of set "M" is 100. Each element is worth one dollar. Make 100 dots representing the elements of the set "M". The set "C", the cost of production, contains 20 fewer points than the set "M". Represent the set "C" as a subset of set "M" and answer the following question: What is the cardinality of the set "P" for profits? Teaching match in 1980: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. Her cost of production is $80 and her profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20. Teaching math in 1990: By cutting down beautiful forest trees, the logger makes $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the forest birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down the trees? There are no wrong answers. Teaching math in 1996: By laying off 40% of its loggers, a company improves its stock price from $80 to $100. How much capital gain per share does the CEO make by exercising his stock options at $80? Assume capital gains are no longer taxed, because this encourages investment. Teaching math in 1997: A company out-sources all of its loggers. The firm saves on benefits, and when demand for its product is down, the logging workforce can easily be cut back. The average logger employed by the company earned $50,000, had three weeks vacation, a nice retirement plan and medical insurance. The contract logger costs $50 an hour. Was outsourcing a good move? Teaching math in 1998: A laid-off logger with four kids at home and a ridiculous alimony from his first failed marriage comes into the logging company corporate offices and goes postal, mowing down 16 executives and a couple of secretaries, and gets lucky when he nails a politician on the premises collecting his kickback. Was outsourcing the loggers a good move for the company? Teaching math in 1999: A laid-off logger serving time in Folsom for blowing away several people is being trained as a COBOL programmer in order to work on Y2K problems. What is the probability that the automatic cell doors will open on their own as of 00:01, 01/01/00? [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: A Possible opportunity here..... (fwd) Date: 04 Oct 1998 14:43:45 PST On Oct 4, RHill@MICKEY.GC.WHECN.EDU wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Fellow fappers, we might have been give one small round of ammo in the propaganda war. Dave Smith, who runs the "Texans Against Gun Violence" homepage, has sent me an email wherein he states he thinks that HCI twists the truth when it comes to including 19 year-olds in gun death stats....... His response is at the very top of the message below, and the previous exchange is below that response. I would like everyone of you to forward a copy of his statement, along with a little bit of text explaining what he is talking about, to every pro-gun publication, group, website, congress person, etc. you can think of. Since the gun control advocates make hay of any little disagreement they can find among pro-gun groups, why shouldn't we do the same? Roy Hill > ---------- > From: David Smith[SMTP:tagvhou@insync.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 1998 11:33 AM > To: Hill, Roy > Subject: Re: A realization > > RHill@MICKEY.GC.WHECN.EDU wrote: > > > > > ---------- > > > From: David Smith[SMTP:tagvhou@insync.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 7:05 PM > > > To: Hill, Roy > > > Subject: Re: A realization > > > > Roy, > > You'd lose that bet. I have already been trying to get them to be more > definitive in definitions and use "under 18" as children. > > Dave > > > > > > > We are not HCI. The report your source sent is theirs. > > > > > > Comments should be addressed to them. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > You are not HCI, but I'm willing to bet you won't exactly be leading any > > charge to get them to be a little less "Slick-Willy-ish" with their > stats. > > > > Roy Hill [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Fw: GAO Rips Clinton Super-Computer Export Scandal (fwd) Date: 05 Oct 1998 08:14:19 PST Looks like, "The Anti-Gun President" must be feeling like the center of a circle of shotguns. Maybe we should be refering to him that way, too. The, "Anti-Gun President", that is. Maybe he'll take a few Anti's down with him in the PR battle..... On Oct 4, Arlin H. Adams wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] -----Original Message----- >The latest GAO testimony on HPCS (High Performance Computers) is >now available on line. The GAO took a hard look at the Clinton >export policy surrounding the sale of super-computers for >military research, and found major flaws. > >The prime Clinton excuse for selling super-computers without >restriction is based on fiction and lies. Clinton claims that >similar high speed computers are freely available world wide. >The GAO blows that myth out of the water by actually doing a >global survey and then submitting real results. The GAO wrote >"Our analysis suggests that HPCS (High Performance Computers) >over 2,000 MTOPS are not readily available to tier 3 countries >(China and Russia) from foreign sources without restriction." > >According to Congressman Hyde, "The decision to loosen U.S. >controls on supercomputers was made in spite of the opposition >of a number of Defense Department staff experts, senior military >and intelligence officials, and Members of Congress. It was >justified by a report commissioned and paid for by the >Department of Commerce using outside consultants supplied by >political appointees at the Department of Defense. The contract >for the report was awarded noncompetitively to a well-known >opponent of export controls. Viewed in the context of recent >revelations about Chinese efforts to influence the U.S. >political scene, the significant policy changes that have been >pursued in this area bring into question the Administration's >motives for decontrol." > >The GAO reviewed the 1995 Clinton consultant report and >concluded it was not only flawed but incomplete. The GAO stated >"The study lacked empirical evidence or analysis to support its >conclusions" and "the study did not assess the capabilities of >countries of concern to use HPCS (High Performance Computers) >for military and other national security applications, as >required by its tasking." > >The extraordinary loosening of controls on military-sensitive >supercomputers by President Clinton resulted in the sale to >China of more than 46 supercomputers rated at 2,000 MTOPS and >above. The GAO found that China does not allow U.S. inspections >of previously sold super-computers to ensure that they are not >being used for military purposes. The post sale verification >(PSV) inspections are required by law - yet the administration >has ignored the law and continued to ship computers to China. > >In addition, the GAO found that American computer businesses >were on a honor export system. Clinton regulations provide that >the U.S. based computer company must determine if the computer >buyer is military. It is certain that U.S. businesses know >little about Chinese and Russian Army front companies. However, >no American computer maker has ever cancelled a multi-million >dollar computer sale - even if the end user was a soldier. IBM >even sold a computer directly to a Russian nuclear weapons lab >and then claimed in Court they did not known the end user was >military. > >Super-computers build better nukes but they also have many other >military uses. HPCS can crack cipher codes, build better >conventional weapons, help submarines hide in the ocean, and >control anti-missile defenses. According to the GAO testimony, >the Clinton administration continued to export computers while >laboring for two years on only the nuclear assessment of such >sales. The GAO wrote "Except for nuclear weapons, the executive >branch has not completed an assessment of the national security >risks of exporting HPCS (High Performance Computers)". > >The Clinton administration's assessment managed to identify some >"applications in such national defense areas as nuclear weapons >programs, cryptology, conventional weapons, and military >operations." However, according to the GAO, "the executive >branch has not identified how and at what performance levels >specific countries of concern may use." Thus, the >administration continued to export computers without knowing >what the national security impact would be. > >And where is the NSA? The agency charged with watching over the >computer systems of America should have objected loudly. Did >Ft. Meade stand idle while super-computers flowed out of the US >like water? Absolutely not. > >In November 1993, Commerce Secretary Ron Brown got the thumbs up >from NSA Director McConnell to export. McConnell wrote to Brown >"Our recent agreement to a relaxation of export controls on >telecommunications and supercomputers should enable U.S. >industry to expand markets for these goods and retain its >competitive edge in these critical technologies for the future." > >Within forty eight hours of McConnell's letter - President >Clinton approved China's long standing request to buy a super >high technology computer, supposedly for non military use. >Clearly, the U.S. intelligence community was either asleep at >the switch or muted by political watch-dogs. > >What was the Commerce Department's reaction to the GAO report? >Did Commerce take swift action to correct what appears to be a >big problem? Did they perform an accurate analysis or even try >to address the issue with a clearly written response. > >Not on your life. Commerce picked the "attack-the-critic" >offense that is the trade mark of the Clinton administration. >According to the GAO, "Commerce stated that our report focused >too much on how countries might use HPCS (High Performance >Computers) for proliferation or military purposes and on what it >called an outdated Cold War concept of 'FOREIGN AVAILABILITY.' >The Commerce said that our analysis of foreign availability was >too narrow and that foreign availability is not an adequate >measure of the problem." > >Of course, attacking the GAO is not a very smart thing to do >because accountants have long memories. According to the GAO, >the Commerce Department also preached the same "outdated Cold >War concept" as gospel in their March 1998 annual report to >Congress. The 1998 annual Commerce report states "the key to >effective export controls is setting control levels above >FOREIGN AVAILABILITY." > >President Clinton did not ship super-computers to China because >Japan or Europe could have supplied the same systems. The >President did not set policy limits based on military threats >from exported computers. Clinton allowed the sales long before >any national security threat assessment was completed. The >Clinton export policy was, and still is, based solely on the >financial and political support of Bill Clinton provided by the >same firms that sell digital death. > >=================================================================== > >Source Document index - > >1998 GAO testimony High Performance Computer Exports > >- http://www.softwar.net/gao250.html > >China Denies U.S. Inspection Of Super Computers > >- http://www.softwar.net/prcusa.html > >Friend of John Huang Works With China In 1998 > >- http://www.softwar.net/ziac.html > >NSA Letter To Ron Brown November 1993 > >- http://www.softwar.net/huangnsa.html > >Super Computers For Nuclear Weapons Research > >- http://www.softwar.net/cpu235.html > >================================================================ >1 if by land, 2 if by sea. Paul Revere - encryption 1775 >Charles R. Smith >SOFTWAR http://www.softwar.net softwar@softwar.net >Pcyphered SIGNATURE: >9E1AC4DCD119060925DD4DF319AF8688DF82B7394DE4B1D2ED0CB1168005518C >FAC59AA9CB191AD224A363F3EA597392489078B348A55AE48614D028C4E0354F >F6A7F9C707115C9C >================================================================ >SOFTWAR EMAIL NEWSLETTER 10/04/1998 >*** to unsubscribe reply with "unsubscribe" as subject *** >================================================================ [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: EIA Communique - 10/5 (fwd) Date: 06 Oct 1998 00:12:29 PST On Oct 5, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Apparently the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy(tm) is branching out. Why wasn't I informed!? Kevin McGehee North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ *** Choose Truth *** -----Original Message----- The Education Intelligence Agency COMMUNIQU=C9 =97 October 5, 1998 + The reaction to the release of NEA's right-wing report (now available = on the web at http://www.nea.org/publiced/paycheck) ranged from indifference= to ridicule. The mainstream newspapers failed to write anything at all. Robe= rt Greene of the Associated Press covered the report's release, remarking "B= ut if there is evidence, other than by association, that supporters of dues restrictions are motivated by a desire to dismantle public schools, it wa= s not clearly laid out in the NEA's new 144- page booklet." The conservative Washington Times and the Detroit News were less generou= s. The Times gave ample space to critics of the report. "This looks more lik= e a fund-raising attempt on their part than a substantive report on policy issues," said Mark Wilson of the Heritage Foundation. Heritage was named = as the "head" of The Conservative Network =97 NEA's name for the conspiracy.= The News pointed out that their own editorial page editor, Thomas J. Bray, wa= s mentioned in the report. Meanwhile, conservative organizations named in the report had a field da= y. The Michigan-based Mackinac Center noted that NEA released the report in = a "closed-door" news conference. Americans for Tax Reform released its own report, entitled "Unprotected Paychecks: The Truth Behind Big Labor's Campaign Against Proposition 226." The Institute for Justice released "Top Ten Conspiracies the NEA Report Missed," including "New Math invented by same scientist who invented New Coke" and "There is no AFT." The immediate reaction tends to support the idea that NEA produced the report to rally its own troops, not to persuade outsiders. + Expecting a $50-$90 million budget windfall from the state, United Teachers Los Angeles and six other bargaining units want to reopen their contracts= to add to their guaranteed raises. All the unions are in the second year of = a three-year contract. The Los Angeles Board of Education discussed the mat= ter in a seven-hour closed session, but delayed making a decision. The Los Angeles Times editors took the unusual step of coming out against the raise. "In exchange for bigger paychecks, what, if anything, would the union be will= ing to give?" the Times asked. "If failing schools do not improve, is the uni= on willing to give up some job protections so the superintendent can reconstitute those schools' staffs? Is it willing to change tenure rules that protect teachers who have no business being in a classroom? To allow principals t= o assign teachers based on student needs instead of allowing teachers to choose their assignments based on seniority?" + The Albuquerque Public Schools and the Albuquerque Teachers Federation agreed to a deal which would give teachers a 6.8 percent raise. The pay question received extra media attention due in part to a riot by high sch= ool students who were protesting for higher teacher pay. The raise will empty the district's emergency reserve and cut its supply budget by 20 percent. District officials are counting on the state to provide additional funds to replen= ish the reserve. + Speaking of contracts, the staff unions of both Education Minnesota an= d the Texas State Teachers Association reached contract agreements just prior t= o the start of the school year. The Texas staff received an undisclosed raise a= nd reduced steps on the salary scale. The Minnesota staff will receive money for staff development, release time of 900 hours during the three-year term o= f the contract, 401k contributions of 2.5%, 3% and 3.5%, and a $25,000 self- insurance pool to cover deductibles and copayments. The new contract cove= rs the former staffers of both the Minnesota Education Association and the Minnesota Federation of Teachers. + Some of you had difficulty accessing Rich Gibson's story on the NEA/AF= T merger. I had no trouble reaching the site directly through both AOL's we= b browser and Netscape Navigator 4.0. If you are still having trouble, try going to http://www.pipeline.com/~rgibson/ first, and then accessing the articl= e. If all else fails, contact EIA and I'll arrange to fax the story to you. + The next EIA Communiqu=E9 will appear on Tuesday, October 20. I will celebrate my ethnic heritage by following in the footsteps of Christopher Columbus =97 sailing to the Caribbean, exchanging trinkets with the nativ= es, and sampling the local beverages. + Quote of the Week: "Calisthenics are definitely out. They sound too mu= ch like the Army." =97 Charlene Burgeson, a public health adviser at the Cen= ters for Disease Control and Prevention, describing the "New Phys Ed" to the W= all Street Journal. Reporter Joseph Pereira tells us that the gym at Madison Junior High School in Napierville, Illinois, is now the "personal wellnes= s facility." At Wichita South High School in Kansas, gym class is now "Physical Dimensions." The class director, Bobbie Harris, says "New PE is for all those poor souls who were picked last on a team and hated every single minute waiting to be chosen." # # # The Education Intelligence Agency conducts public education research, analysis and investigations. Director: Mike Antonucci. Ph: 916-422-4373. Fax: 916-392-1482. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Judicial Watch report now part of Congress Impeachment Date: 06 Oct 1998 09:35:57 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Not for commercial use. For academic use in the virtual=20 classroom.=20 =20 House Committee Cites Judicial Watch Report In Impeachment Resolution Christopher Ruddy October 5, 1998 Washington--The House Judiciary Committee moved today to include Judicial Watch's report calling for the impeachment of Bill Clinton as part of its official resolution authorizing a broad inquiry into Presidential wrongdoing.=20 Late into Monday's marathon Congressional hearing that led to a historic vote in favor of impeachment hearings, Congressman Robert Barr(R-Georgia) had the committee officially endorse Judicial Watch's report as part of its official impeachment resolution. The report, published by the public interest legal group headed by Larry Klayman, a former Justice Department lawyer, was pivotal in the committee's decision for expanded hearings, a source close to the proceedings told NewsMax.com The source said Klayman's report "created the factual basis for the expanded House impeachment inquiry." The House Judiciary committee, over the objections of Democrats, has asked the full House to investigate any and all matters involving Presidential misconduct.=20 Just weeks ago, Judiciary Chairman Henry Hyde and other top leaders were content to limit the scope of the investigation to the Lewinsky case that Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr had reported on in early September.=20 Because Starr had not provided any final report on other matters under his jurisdiction, including the Travel Office scandal, the FBI file matter, and related Whitewater inquiries, Congress had little basis to expand impeachment hearings, the source said.=20 But Hyde and other top Republicans abruptly changed their position and decided to expand hearings after the release of the Judicial Watch report. A source said they were swayed because the mammoth 145 page report, entitled "Judicial Watch's Interim Report on Crimes and Other Offenses Committed by President Bill Clinton Warranting His Impeachment and Removal from Elected Office," contained more than 4000 pages of exhibits detailing dozens of impeachable offenses.=20 The report deals with several major areas of alleged illegal activity by the President and his subordinates: the Travel Office matter, misuse of FBI files; and misuse of the Internal Revenue Service, and improper fundraising activities relating to the 1996 Presidential campaign.=20 Klayman told NewsMax.com that the report includes numerous examples of "clear cut" examples directly implicating the President in wrong doing.=20 Klayman cited a pattern of abuse relating to misuse of personnel files by the White House, including the violation of the Privacy Act relating to FBI background files and the release of information from Linda Tripp's Pentagon file.=20 Clinton became directly implicated when he authorized the release of letters and documents from a White House file on Kathleen Willey, Klayman explained.=20 The White House released letters written by Tripp to the President to show their relationship was far more amicable than she had publicly claimed. James Carville, in a deposition to Judicial Watch, testified that Clinton had called him to discuss the release of Willey's file.=20 "It's an impeachable offense. The President conspired to violate the Privacy Act," Klayman said. see http://www.judicialwatch.org =A9 1998, NewsMax.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: URGENT!! TODAY, TELL YOUR SENATOR "NO MORE CLINTON (fwd) Date: 07 Oct 1998 13:26:38 PST On Oct 7, Douglas Davis wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Return-Path: >X-Sender: eagle@mail.accessus.net >Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:16:31 -0500 >To: Court_Watch@eagleforum.org >From: Eagle Forum >Subject: URGENT!! TODAY, TELL YOUR SENATOR "NO MORE CLINTON > JUDGES!!!!!" > > C O U R T W A T C H > > URGENT!! TODAY, TELL YOUR SENATOR > "NO MORE CLINTON JUDGES!!!!!" > > Oct. 6, 1998 > > On Friday, October 2, 1998, the Senate confirmed judicial activist > Sonia Sotomayor to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit. > The Wall Street Journal has called her a "liberal" and has touted her > as a strong but troubling candidate for the next Supreme Court > vacancy. Judge Sotomayor defends the school of legal thought > known as Legal Realism which accepts the premise that the "law is > not fixed and that change in the law is inevitable and to be > welcomed." In her most publicized case, Judge Sotomayor used > the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) to give the plaintiff more > time to take the New York bar exam because the plaintiff had > dyslexia. In her decision, Judge Sotomayor failed to analyze what > Congress intended the ADA to mean but instead used and twisted > the statutory words to achieve an absurd result. Here is how your > Senator voted: > > YES - 68: Bennett (UT), Chafee (RI), Coats (IN), Cochran (MS), > Collins (ME), D'Amato (NY), DeWine (OH), Domenici (NM), Frist > (TN), Grams (MN), Hatch (UT), Helms (NC), Jeffords (VT), Lugar > (IN), Mack (FL), Nickles (OK), Roth (DE), Santorum (PA), Smith > (OR), Snowe (ME), Specter (PA), Stevens (AK), Warner (VA) > . . . plus 42 Democrats. > > NO - 28: Abraham (MI), Allard (CO), Ashcroft (MO), Brownback > (KS), Coverdell (MS), Craig (ID), Enzi (WY), Faircloth (NC), Gorton > (WA), Gramm (TX), Grassley (IA), Hagel (NE), Hutchinson (AR), > Hutchison (TX), Inhofe (OK), Kempthorne (ID), Kyl (AZ), Lott (MS), > McCain (AZ), McConnell (KY), Roberts (KS), Sessions (AL), Shelby > (AL), Smith (NH), Thomas (WY), Thompson (TN), Thurmond (SC) > > NOT VOTING - 4: Bond (R-MO), Hollings (D-SC), Glenn (D-OH), > Moseley-Braun (D-IL) > > In this last week of the Senate's session, several more judges may > be confirmed. Call Majority Leader Lott, and your Senator and tell > them > > "NO MORE CLINTON JUDGES FOR THIS CONGRESS!!!" > > Call Majority Leader Lott's office at: 202-224-3135 or fax the > Majority Leader at 202-224-2262. Call your Senator [ask for the > Judiciary Staffer] at 202-224-3121. Also, call your Senator's home > office to voice your opinion. > > DO NOT EMAIL THEM. > > THEIR EMAIL IS VERY BACKED UP > DUE TO THE CLINTON SCANDAL. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >EAGLE FORUM >PO Box 618 >Alton, IL 62002 >Phone: 618-462-5415 >Fax: 618-462-8909 >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > URL: http://www.eagleforum.org > mailto:eagle@eagleforum.org >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ****************** Firearms, self-defense, and other information, with LINKS are available at: http://shell.rmi.net/~davisda Latest additions are found in the group NEW with GOA and other alerts under the heading ALERTS. For those without browser capabilities, send [request index.txt] to davisda@rmi.net and an index of the files at this site will be e-mailed to you. Then send [request ] and the requested file will be sent as a message. Various shareware programs are archived at: ftp://shell.rmi.net/pub2/davisda To receive the contents of the FTP site, send [request index.ftp] to davisda@rmi.net ******************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: [Fwd: [fpe] ABC news poll - Are parents qualified to home school?] (fwd) Date: 07 Oct 1998 22:09:24 PST On Oct 07, Ed Wolfe wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Reply-To: fpe@egroups.com Please take the time to vote in this. Here are the current results: In general, are parents qualified to home school their children? Yes 24.6% Yes, but school is a better option anyway 18.9% No 56.4% Total votes: 15,142 I think we may be able to change the percentages a little, what do you think? Mark ______________________________________________________________________ Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: Re: Fratrum: [Fwd: [fpe] ABC news poll - Are parents qualified Date: 08 Oct 1998 07:18:53 -0700 At 22:09 10/07/98 PST, you wrote: >On Oct 07, Ed Wolfe wrote: > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > >Reply-To: fpe@egroups.com >Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:35:22 -0500 >From: "Marko" >Subject: [fpe] ABC news poll - Are parents qualified to home school? > >Please take the time to vote in this. > >Here are the current results: > > >In general, are parents qualified to home school their children? > >Yes 24.6% >Yes, but school is a better option anyway 18.9% >No 56.4% > >Total votes: 15,142 > >I think we may be able to change the percentages a little, what do you >think? > >Mark Perhaps, a different question might be better.....in particular: Are teachers qualified to teach in schools Jack > >______________________________________________________________________ > >Subscribe, unsubscribe, opt for a daily digest, or start a new e-group >at http://www.eGroups.com -- Free Web-based e-mail groups. > >[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > >- > > Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 -----------------| 1175 N Altadena Dr | -------------- Jack@Minerva.Com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: News Item: U.S. lawmakers sneak through controversial wiretap law (fwd) Date: 08 Oct 1998 14:30:30 PST On Oct 8, Rich Zellich wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] *** U.S. lawmakers sneak through controversial wiretap law WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Without debate or notice, U.S. lawmakers were poised Thursday to approve a proposal long-sought by the FBI that would dramatically expand wiretapping authority - an idea Congress openly rejected years ago. The provision, allowing law enforcement agencies to tap more easily any telephone used by or near a target individual instead of getting authorization to tap specific phones, was added to the Intelligence Authorization Conference report during a closed door meeting and filed with the House and Senate Monday. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2556487563-9df [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Congress is Gutting the Smith Amendment (fwd) Date: 08 Oct 1998 22:32:05 PST On Oct 9, Douglas Davis wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Return-Path: >Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:43:58 -0400 >From: Gun Owners of America >Reply-To: Gun Owners of America >To: goamail@gunowners.org >Subject: Congress is Gutting the Smith Amendment > >Action Needed To Save Smith "Anti-Brady" Amendment >-- FBI stripped of taxing power; but Smith language made weaker > >Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert >8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 >Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 >http://www.gunowners.org > >(Thursday, October 8, 1998) -- In recent years, bookstores have >carried titles such as "The Dumbing Down of America" and "Why >Johnny Can't Read." Well, after the next few days, look forward >to reading "The Dumbing Down of Washington" and "Why Congress >Can't Legislate." > >In late July, Senator Bob Smith (R-NH) forced a vote on an >amendment to keep the FBI from registering and taxing gun owners. >The amendment passed OVERWHELMINGLY with 69 votes (out of a total >of 100). Support by the GOA grassroots was crucial to getting >both Democrats and Republicans to vote for Smith's amendment. It >was a tremendous victory for the country. > >So why is it that Congress couldn't just leave a good thing alone? > >High ranking sources on Capitol Hill have told GOA that >legislators on the appropriations conference committee are >whittling down the Smith amendment-- leaving important language on >the editing room floor. The good news is that there are remnants >of the Smith language-- namely, the prohibitions on registering >and taxing gun owners. > >Congress Opening Huge Loopholes In Smith Language > >Unfortunately, there is also some bad news to report. The Smith >language originally required the "immediate destruction of all >information [relating to background checks]." This language >passed the Senate by a veto-proof majority. But the Congressional >conferees think they know better than the will of the Senate. >That important language is gone! > >Rather than requiring the immediate destruction of gun owners' >names, the new language will allow the records to exist for 24 >hours! (Note the similarities to legislation introduced by Rep. >Bob Barr (R-GA)). > >Allowing names to be kept for 24 hours means (you guessed it) that >the FBI can "register" names for 24 hours. Make no mistake, a lot >can happen to those names in those 24 hours. If this new language >is enacted, it would represent the first time in federal history >that government officials would have explicit permission to retain >gun owners' names for a period of time-- albeit a brief period. > >New Committee Version Would Ask Janet Reno To Police The FBI > >Capitol Hill staffers warn that the new Smith language may not >include the very important "private cause of action." The >original Smith amendment allows aggrieved private citizens to sue >the FBI, and to collect monetary damages, including attorney's >fees. If this language is deleted from the bill, it means that >gun owners will have to rely upon Janet Reno to prosecute FBI >officials for illegally retaining gun owners' names. (Don't hold >your breath.) > >Here's What To Do (The Congress Could Vote As Early As Tomorrow): > > * Call/fax the key House and Senate leaders that will decide the > fate of the Smith amendment. Tell them that you want to see > the Smith amendment word-for-word as passed by the Senate. > (Sample text included below.) > > * Call your own Representative and Senators (202-224-3121). Ask > them to oppose the Commerce-Justice-State appropriations bill > (H.R. 4276) unless the 24-hour "registration" period is > deleted from the Smith amendment, and the "private cause of > action" (to police the FBI) is included. > > >House Speaker and Chairmen for the >Commerce-Justice-State Appropriations Subcommittee > > >Subcomm. Chairmen >Sen. J. Gregg (NH) ph: 202-224-3324 fx: 224-4952 >Rep. H. Rogers (KY) ph: 202-225-4601 fx: 225-0940 > >Rep. Newt Gingrich ph: 202-225-4501 fx: 225-4656 >Gingrich's leadership ofc. ph: 202-225-0600 fx: 225-7733 > > >-------- Pre-written text -------- > >Dear > >In July, the pro-gun Smith amendment passed the Senate >OVERWHELMINGLY by a veto-proof majority. Democrats joined >Republicans and thumbed their nose at the Administration. Is it >too much to ask then that this popular language be left alone? >Please leave it word-for-word as passed by the Senate. > >I understand that the House and Senate conferees (who are working >on H.R. 4276) have altered the Smith language to allow the FBI to >keep gun owner records for 24 hours. That is unacceptable-- these >records must be destroyed immediately! > >Moreover, the private cause of action is just as important-- if >not more important-- than any of the other provisions in the Smith >amendment. It is imperative that aggrieved private citizens be >allowed to sue the FBI, and to collect monetary damages, including >attorney's fees. Otherwise, Janet Reno will be the one who is left >to protect the privacy of gun owners-- an unrealistic option. > >As the Chairman of the Commerce-Justice-State Appropriations >Subcommittee, you are responsible for what happens under you. I >hope that you will restore the original Smith language. Thank you >very much. > >Sincerely, > >------------- > >Dear Rep. Gingrich, > >In July, the pro-gun Smith amendment passed the Senate >OVERWHELMINGLY by a veto-proof majority. Democrats joined >Republicans and thumbed their nose at the Administration. Is it >too much to ask then that this popular language be left alone? >Please leave it word-for-word as passed by the Senate. > >I understand that the House and Senate conferees (who are working >on H.R. 4276) have altered the Smith language to allow the FBI to >keep gun owner records for 24 hours. That is unacceptable-- these >records must be destroyed immediately! > >Moreover, the private cause of action is just as important-- if >not more important-- than any of the other provisions in the Smith >amendment. It is imperative that aggrieved private citizens be >allowed to sue the FBI, and to collect monetary damages, including >attorney's fees. Otherwise, Janet Reno will be the one who is left >to protect the privacy of gun owners-- an unrealistic option. > >As the House Speaker, you are responsible for what happens under >you. I hope that you will make sure the original Smith language is >restored. Thank you very much. > >Sincerely, > >**************************************************************** >Did someone else forward this to you? To be certain of getting >up to date information, please consider subscribing directly to >the GOA E-Mail Alert Network. The service is totally free and >carries no obligation. Your e-mail address remains confidential, >and the volume is quite low, usually one or two messages per >week. To subscribe, simply send a message (or forward this >notice) to goamail@gunowners.org and indicate your state of >residence in either the subject or the body. To unsubscribe, >reply to any alert and ask to be removed. > > ****************** Firearms, self-defense, and other information, with LINKS are available at: http://shell.rmi.net/~davisda Latest additions are found in the group NEW with GOA and other alerts under the heading ALERTS. For those without browser capabilities, send [request index.txt] to davisda@rmi.net and an index of the files at this site will be e-mailed to you. Then send [request ] and the requested file will be sent as a message. Various shareware programs are archived at: ftp://shell.rmi.net/pub2/davisda To receive the contents of the FTP site, send [request index.ftp] to davisda@rmi.net ******************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Fwd: Man shot to death at Taft, CA gun shop Date: 09 Oct 1998 06:59:09 -0400 The reward for being a law-abiding citizen. Tom >Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 17:49:55 -0400 >From: E Pluribus Unum >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) >To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network >Subject: Man shot to death at Taft, CA gun shop > >Source: The Bakersfield Californian >http://www.bakersfield.com/top/i--1304325052.asp > >Man shot to death at Taft gun shop=20 > > Filed: October 7, 1998 > > By FRED LUDWIG > Californian staff writer > e-mail: fludwig@bakersfield.com=20 > > Kern County sheriff's officials refused to release details about a >gun shop owner apparently killed Wednesday in Taft by police.=20 > > Taft residents contacted by The Californian identified the victim as >Darryl Howell, although that could not be confirmed. Law enforcement >officials refused to confirm the identification. > > The fatal shooting was connected with an attempt by U.S. Bureau of >Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents to serve a search warrant, said >Sheriff Carl Sparks. The Sheriff's Department is the lead agency >investigating the shooting, Sparks said.=20 > > Sparks said officials were withholding comment because details of the >incident were unclear. Police officials typically release preliminary >conclusions and available facts while investigations are ongoing.=20 > > "There will be enough suspicion about this incident without releasing >information that was not really correct," Sparks said. =20 > > A press conference will be held at 2 p.m. today to provide details of >the incident, Sparks said.=20 > > "ATF is bringing in some of (its) high-level people," Sparks said. >"They want to be there when the press conference is done." > > Eunice Howell, Howell's mother, said about 7:30 p.m. she was >disappointed because officials had given her no official notice of the >incident.=20 > > "I just know my son is dead," she said.=20 > > Taft resident Doug Benc said he has been a customer of Howell's >store, and has known him informally for about a year and a half. > > Benc said he didn't know what happened Wednesday, but Howell seemed >like a nice, law-abiding man.=20 > > Bakersfield resident Kerry Bulls teaches corrections and firearms >classes for Taft College and refers students to the gun shop. Bulls >said he has seen Howell check firearms regulations if not sure about >their provisions.=20 > > "He was the type of person that was very meticulous on regulations >regarding the sale of firearms," Bulls said.=20 > >Copyright=A9 1998, The Bakersfield Californian >--=20 >****************************************************************** > > E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group > > P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 > > Grove City, OH 43123 > > > >Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse > > 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.) > > > >http://www.infinet.com/~eplurib eplurib@infinet.com > >****************************************************************** >=20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Leuschner Subject: [Fwd: [UWSA] It's time to make it all a Joke!] Date: 09 Oct 1998 10:14:05 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------26D63CBB302A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For your enjoyment, or dismay, or whatever. Regards, Skip. --------------26D63CBB302A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from right-net.com (majordom@right-net.com [209.249.10.62]) by mailhub.pacifier.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17648; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by right-net.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA07672 for uwsa.com.uwsa-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:34:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-uwsa@uwsa.com Precedence: bulk This both is and is not a joke! I have a teenage son, a great kid, but could I start getting this kind of logic from him. I don't think so, but some of his friends would find the discussion below acceptable: Problems raising a teenager given the "truth" nowadays.... Somewhere in America, next week: Dad - Son, come in here, we need to talk. Son - What's up, Dad? D- There's a scratch down the side of the car. Did you do it? S- I don't believe, if I understand the definition of "scratch the car", that I can say, truthfully, that I scratched the car. D- Well, it wasn't there yesterday, and you drove the car last night, and no one else has driven it since. How can you explain the scratch? S- Well, as I've said before, I have no recollection of scratching the car. While it is true that I did take the car out last night, I did not scratch it. D- But your sister, Monica, has told me she saw you back the car against the mailbox at the end of the driveway, heard a loud scraping sound, saw you get out to examine the car, and then drive away. So again I'll ask you, yes or no, did you scratch the car? S- Oh, you mean you think you have evidence to prove I scratched it. Well, you see, I understood you to mean did "I" scratch the car. I stand by my earlier statement, that I did not scratch the car. D- Are you trying to tell me you didn't drive the car into the mailbox? S- Well, you see sir, I was trying to drive the car into the street. I mishandled the steering of the car, and it resulted in direct contact with the mailbox, though that was clearly not my intent. D- So you are then saying that you did hit the mailbox? S- No sir, that's not my statement. I'll refer you back to my original statement that I did not scratch the car. D- But the car did hit the mailbox, and the car did get scratched as a result of this contact? S- Well, yes, I suppose you could look at it that way. D- So you lied to me when you said you did not scratch the car? S- No. No, that's not correct. Your question was "Did I scratch the car?". From a strict legal definition, as I understood the meaning of that sentence, I did not scratch the car... the mailbox did... I was merely present when the scratching occurred. So my answer of "No" when you asked "Did I scratch the car" was legally correct, although I did not volunteer information. D- Where did you learn to talk like a complete idiot? S- From The President of the United States. =================================================================== uwsa@uwsa.com is an unmoderated mail list to discuss general government topics. To join or leave this list send mail to majordomo@uwsa.com TO: majordomo@uwsa.com (un)subscribe uwsa Visit our world wide web site at http://www.uwsa.com Support UWSA.COM at http://www.uwsa.com/UWSAintro.html --------------26D63CBB302A-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: Another Suicide......Really..... Date: 09 Oct 1998 12:36:54 -0700 [03] Officials: Gun dealer a suicide Filed: October 8, 1998 By FRED LUDWIG Californian staff writer e-mail: fludwig@bakersfield.com A Taft gun shop owner killed himself during a federal weapons raid, officials said Thursday, but the news appeared unlikely to immediately quiet the strong emotions over the death in the small community. Darryl Howell broke loose from authorities trying to handcuff him Wednesday morning and grabbed a handgun behind the counter, officials said. After a struggle with a U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent, Howell put the gun in his mouth and fired, officials said. Taft police Sgt. Ed Whiting, who had turned away and didn't realize what had happened, then fired three shots into Howell's body, they said. But preliminary results from an overnight autopsy showed Howell died from the self-inflicted shot. "It was a tragic incident - the type of incident law enforcement always prepares for but certainly hopes never occurs," said Kern County Sheriff Carl Sparks. After getting about 40 calls from upset people, sheriff's officials took the unusual step Thursday of following up a news conference with a public question-and-answer session with people from Taft and elsewhere. Officials had refused to release details Wednesday, and rumors and questions ran rampant through Taft. Some on hand Thursday expressed doubts that Howell would have sold illegal guns or killed himself. "None of us believe that for a minute," said Yolanda Snyder, a friend of Howell. "That's not Darryl." The raid accompanied other searches of homes, businesses and vehicles that led to the arrest of two Bakersfield residents Wednesday, said John Malone, an ATF special agent. Officials filed several charges of weapons possession and trafficking against Richard Speilman and Mark Reed. The suspects knew each other but were not necessarily cooperating in a gun-running scheme, Malone said. ATF has been investigating Howell about three years, Malone said. He said undercover agents twice bought illegal machine guns from him - once two years ago and again 18 months ago. They waited with a raid while the investigation moved forward on other fronts, Malone said. Wednesday, two ATF agents entered Howell's shop, Alpha Omega Surplus and Supplies, with Whiting and one sheriff's deputy about 10 a.m., when the shop was just opening and no customers had yet arrived. A pat-down search indicated Howell was unarmed, but Howell grabbed the .45-caliber handgun. Whiting, who did not see all of the ensuing struggle, fired after hearing Howell's suicidal shot, said sheriff's Sgt. Glenn Johnson. Howell offered no reason for the suicide, Johnson said. Officials would not describe what, if any, illegal weapons were found at the store, saying federal law requires a report to be sent first to a federal magistrate. The department's investigation into the shooting will continue for another two or three weeks, Johnson said. Taft police officials were not on hand for the announcement. Whiting has been placed on administrative assignment, Johnson said. Johnson said he did not know whether Whiting has shot anyone before. Whiting was named in an April lawsuit by Santa Barbara couple who accused Whiting of detaining them without probable cause, an allegation he has denied. Some people who knew Howell said at the announcement that there was bad blood between Whiting and Howell. "They did not have a good relationship at all," said Bakersfield resident Jim Koob. Walt Parham said he came to the event out of concern over whether officials were overstepping their bounds with all the recent drug raids, but had an open mind. "They (officials) made a good case, and I tend to believe it," Parham said. Sparks said ATF involvement in the incident raises eyebrows of those who distrust the agency. Sparks said he wanted to meet with residents in an effort to ease any concerns. "We can't just ignore it," Sparks said. "That's the kind of stuff that tears a community apart - or it can." Friends skeptical of official account Filed: October 8, 1998 By CHRISTINE L. PETERSON Californian staff writer e-mail: cpeterson@bakersfield.com Disbelief permeated the tight-knit communities of Taft and Ford City Thursday as residents and friends of Darryl Howell questioned law enforcement's account of his death in his gun shop. The Kern County Sheriff Department's version of the events - that the gun shop owner grabbed a loaded .45-caliber handgun Wednesday, struggled with officers and then placed the barrel in his mouth and pulled the trigger - just didn't fit with what they knew of the father of two. Sheriff's officials said a Taft police officer, not knowing where the expended round went, immediately fired three rounds that struck Howell, 45, on the right side of his body. He died at the scene. "Everyone in Taft knows this is stupid," said Shannon Ong, 34, Howell's niece. "They think the police officers are trying to make it seem like he was a criminal." Ong believes there could be nothing further from the truth - that the man who grew up in Taft and graduated from Taft Union High School where yearbooks say he played football and was in the band was a wonderful man who ran an upstanding business. While at least one family member and friends said Howell was vocal in support of gun rights, they did not believe he would condone any illegal behavior or sell illegal firearms. "The way that press release makes him sound, well, he just would have never done anything like that," Ong said after reading a copy of a sheriff's news release on the incident. ATF agents went to Alpha Omega Surplus and Supplies Store as part of a four-year firearms trafficking investigation, said ATF special agent Tracy Hite. She said ATF was assisted in serving a warrant by the Taft Police Department and Kern County Sheriff's Department. "This was a lengthy investigation that led us to several locations," Hite said, explaining that there were search warrants for five locations and arrest warrants for three people in Kern County. Ong estimated her uncle had the business for 15 to 20 years, first within Taft city limits and then in the county. At the business Thursday, some family members and friends gathered at the shop. A bumper sticker on a window bore the message: "Only tyrants and criminals fear honest armed citizens." Recorded programs blared from speakers outside the shop. "I just don't understand it," said friend Jamie Walchock. She said that while she didn't share Howell's support of guns, she respected him because he looked on the bright side of life, listened to and worked with people on their problems and was satisfied with making ends meet. She said Howell talked about moving. "In the 12 years I have known him, I have never seen him upset," Walchock said. To her, Howell was a law-abiding citizen; she said he didn't like helmets so he stopped riding his motorcycle when the helmet law went into effect. "I know in a million years he wouldn't ever shoot himself or lunge at a police officer," Walchock said. Ken Bishop, who would sometimes visit Howell at his shop, said Howell was "somewhat of a patriot" and would share his opinions about guns. He said that law enforcement's statement that Howell had illegal firearms seems "off the wall." Mike Hodges, the publisher of Golden Empire Review, said Howell asked to have a column printed in the paper titled, "Notes from Moron." Taft was called Moron in 1908, according to "Kern County Place Names." The city changed its name to Taft in 1909. In the column, Howell quotes several passages from the Bible. The column Hodges attributed to Howell states, "It is not an hone to be in the Militia! It is our God-given duty! We are commanded to be his soldiers. It is time to lay aside our 'daily' jobs and return to duty! R&R is over! To arms, to arms! Where are His soldiers? "Right now, where is your squad members? Right now can you honestly state that you are aware of their location and their ability to respond to duty?" Hodges said after Howell died, he reread the column. "It gave me an eerie, shaky feeling," Hodges said. He said he didn't believe Howell would ever resist arrest. While Howell didn't agree with some gun legislation, he abided by it, Hodges said. "I know Darryl wouldn't kill himself and he wouldn't hurt someone else," Hodges said. "My personal experience is he was a real giving person." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RAPTUS: DRUDGE: New Breaking Clinton Scandal (fwd) Date: 11 Oct 1998 21:23:09 PST And the circle closes tighter..... On Oct 11, Rose Bowen wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] DRUDGE REPORT SUN OCT 11 1998 17:28:41 ET x x x x x WHITE HOUSE LAWYER CHERYL MILLS REFERRED TO JUSTICE DEPT ON OBSTRUCTION CHARGE; HILL REPORT HITS PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY WITH 'THEFT OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY' **EXCLUSIVE DETAILS** DRUDGE REPORT SUN OCT 11 1998 17:28:41 ET x x x x x WHITE HOUSE LAWYER CHERYL MILLS REFERRED TO JUSTICE DEPT ON OBSTRUCTION CHARGE; HILL REPORT HITS PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY WITH 'THEFT OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY' **EXCLUSIVE DETAILS** A congressional subcommittee has written a blistering report that will level new charges against the president and first lady, accusing them of taking part in the 'theft of government property.' The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained the report, soon to be released on, where else, the Internet [http://www.house.gov/reform/neg/reports/whodb/whodb.htm ] -- and the more than 500 pages of back up material outlining the committee's findings in the White House Database project. The subcommittee's findings become the obsession of key players on The Hill over the weekend and was moving under the media radar in scandal-fatigued Washington. "No one here wants another scandal," one lawmaker told the DRUDGE REPORT in Washington. It was not known late Sunday if the Database findings will be incorporated into the House Judiciary Committee's impeachment investigation. The story involves a White House computer database allegedly used as a political fundraising tool. The report charges that "White House personnel took government data and transferred it to the Democratic National Committee to assist in campaign fundraising." The database, which cost 1.7 million in tax dollars, included records of people who attended White House social events, meetings and other functions as well as the White House Christmas card list. An investigative subcommittee of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee has gathered hundreds of documents and conducted dozens of depositions that it says shows a trail of unlawful activity -- a trail that leads to the president and his wife! "The pattern of evidence obtained by the committee implicates the president and the First Lady in the possible theft of government property," the report states in its opening summary. Concluding its two year investigation into the White House Database, the subcommittee charges that "the president's involvement in the plan to convert government property to the DNC and the ultimate accomplishment of that plan motivated the White House to mount an extraordinary effort to delay and impede the investigation." Deputy Counsel to the President Cheryl Mills [a Harold Ickes recruit] has been hit with a charge of "lying to the committee and obstructing the investigation by withholding documents." The Mills matter has been referred to the Department of Justice for investigation. The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained a confidential secret memo from the woman who was co-ordinating the computer project, Marsha Scott, the memo was given to the First Lady and White House big shots Bruce Lindsey and Harold Ickes. The First Lady, in her own handwriting, notes on the memo outlining the computer database and sharing its information with the DNC: "This sounds promising, please advise." Another Scott memo states: "This is the president's idea and it's a good one." [The committee report states that Hillary Clinton "actually received a demonstration of the Database."] It has been learned that White House staffer Scott walked out of a deposition exploring the matter. One Scott memo sent to Hillary Clinton and Bruce Lindsey on January 26, 1994 -- marked "confidential" -- reveals that Scott was concerned about the loyalty of those who would work on the Database project. Scott wrote: "Another unanticipated obstacle has been the recent downsizing efforts throughout the EOP [Executive Office of the President] which resulted in the removal of... the young, computer enthusiasts who kept up with the cutting edge technologies. When they were let go we were left for the most part with an older, certainly less enthusiastic groups whose allegiance is, in my opinion, highly questionable." A deputy White House lawyer had warned all involved in the project that data from the computer may be provided to sources outside of the federal government "only for authorized purposes." David Watkins, then assistant to the president, said in an eyes only "privileged and confidential" memo: "The White House Database will be government property and can not be used by a campaign entity." The report accuses the White House of sharing files from the database with the DNC and the Clinton/Gore reelection campaign -- even using White House staffers to transfer the information. The trail from White House to DNC is detailed in hundreds of pages of documents and testimony. The report's summary concludes: "The committee has obtained evidence that Deputy Counsel to the President Cheryl Mills perjured herself and obstructed the investigation to prevent Congress and the American public from finding out that the president and the First Lady were involved in the unlawful conversion of government property; the president and the first lady were involved in the unlawful conversion of governments property to the use of the DNC and the Clinton/Gore campaign; and numerous other individuals, including Erskine Bowles and Marsha Scott were also involved in the unlawful conversion of government property to the use of the DNC and the campaign through the diversion of data and resources." The WASHINGTON POST and the NEW YORK TIMES have taken a pass on the report, it has been learned. Developing... Rose Bowen mailto:bowenten@swva.net Need a web presence at an affordable cost? We specialize in small businesses and groups http://www.sayhello.com/global/ Custom site design and web hosting. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Feds are rigging the stock market. (fwd) Date: 12 Oct 1998 13:48:44 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- New York Post-October 12, 1998 MARKET-RIGGING: SHORT-TERM FIX, LONG-TERM DISASTER By JOHN CRUDELE THANK goodness someone has finally decided to rig the stock market. With the impeachment process in motion and Ken Starr confirming my exclusive of a few weeks ago that there are more impeachable offenses being looked into, someone had better take action to rig the market before the political crisis turns into an economic one. My bet on the rigger is Washington, probably through something that the Washington Post last year called the Plunge Protection Team. That's a group of financial big shots from the Treasury, the Fed and Wall Street whose stated job is to keep the financial markets from collapsing - as evidenced by Thursday's dramatic turnaround and Friday's 167-point gain. But the prop under the stock market could just as easily be coming from Wall Street firms, with the blessing and assistance of the Federal Reserve. That's not so preposterous, considering these very firms - with the Fed's blessing - had to step in a few weeks ago to protect the financial system from the mess created by the Long-Term Capital hedge fund. But there are right ways to rig the market and there are wrong ways. There are also legal and illegal ways. As it turns out, the right ways, or the effective ways, at the present moment also happen to be the illegal ways. The wrongheaded and ineffective way would be to continue to try to correct the current stock market downturn through things like interest rate cuts. First, I'll tell you how the stock market is being rigged. Then I'll tell you what's even more important - what's going to happen in Washington and why you should get out of stocks before this rigging adventure leads to disaster. Here's some history: Back in 1989 a Fed governor named Robert Heller proposed rigging the stock market. Heller had just left the Fed when he gave a speech suggesting that the central bank should step in and take direct action to keep the stock market from collapsing. The Fed had taken action before. It made sure there was enough liquidity during the crash of '87 to keep the system going. It may have even strong-armed a few banks into propping up the market. And it has often lowered interest rates at opportune times. But Heller's idea was different. He wanted a more direct approach, especially when the bond and currency markets were becoming uncontrollable (like they are these days). Heller believed that in an emergency, the Fed should start buying stock index futures contracts until it managed to pull stocks out of their nosedive. Essentially, whenever there is heavy buying of these futures contracts it causes the underlying stock market to rise. The futures contracts can be bought cheaply; they are highly leveraged so you get more bang for each buck, and they eliminate the need for a rigger to purchase, say, all 30 stocks that make up the Dow. Heller explained that the process was simple. And it is. The trouble is, the government never has had authority to rig the stock market. But there are indications that this sort of rigging works, at least for awhile. Hong Kong authorities rigged their stock market last month when selling pressure became too great. That government did it openly and proudly. How do I know the market is being rigged? I really don't. But I am very suspicious. Take last Thursday, when the Dow was down more than 200 points and the House was passing a resolution to investigate the President of the United States. Exactly when the debate was going on in Congress, the S&P 500 futures contracts shot up in price like someone needed a market rally awfully bad. A noble effort. Maybe even a necessary one. But let's keep this to ourselves. If the rest of the world found out what was going on they might want to find some other place to invest. The U.S. is likely to need a lot more market riggings in the months ahead as more of Starr's findings come to light. The bottom line? Washington is going to have to perfect its market rigging technique. Make it a little more subtle. Perhaps start at 2:35 p.m. in the trading day rather than always at 3 p.m. And do it in a hurry - the next big explosion in the Starr investigation of the President will probably come soon after the elections. But if you're an investor who doesn't trust the government to pave your street much less protect your portfolio, it's time to skedaddle. ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: Disarm the BATF Date: 13 Oct 1998 08:05:33 -0700 [01] Disarm the BATF Joseph Farah Another day, another debacle for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. This time, the scene is not Waco, Texas, or Ruby Ridge, Idaho, but Taft, California -- another hotbed of "anti-government activity." According to the federal government's own account, the BATF began an investigation into illegal firearms sales by people espousing anti-government rhetoric three or four years ago with an undercover agent allegedly making an illegal purchase of a .22-caliber pistol. It ended last week with one of the three targets of the federal government probe dead in a highly unusual -- and, yes, improbable - - incident. The official story goes something like this: Two BATF agents, a Kern County sheriff's deputy and Sgt. Ed Whiting of the Taft Police Department attempted to take into custody on illegal firearms trafficking charges, Darryl Howell, a 45-year-old grandfather and owner of a surplus store that sold, among other things, guns and ammunition. A struggle between the BATF agents and Howell ensued. The cops say he broke away from them, lunged for a .45-caliber handgun, put it into his mouth and fired a single shot. Whiting, the story goes, had become temporarily distracted during the scuffle. When he heard the single shot, he instinctively aimed his gun at Howell and fired three more shots into his already, presumably, lifeless body. Now, if you believe that, I have an intercontinental ballistic missile I'd like to sell you. I'm not a cop, and I've never played one on TV. But I have reported on enough crime stories in my day to know when one stinks to high heaven. And this one smells like a cattle ranch on a windless, summer day in California's Central Valley. Let me see if I have this straight. Four cops, one "suspect." This wanted outlaw -- so dangerous he's been under scrutiny of federal law enforcement for nearly four years -- is confronted not in his home, not on his lunch break, not on his way to work or after he locks up, but during the workday in a store loaded with firearms. Even though he's not accused of being on PCP or any other drugs, he cannot be physically subdued by four officers. They are unable to persuade him to come along peacefully or handcuff him involuntarily. Instead, he is permitted by these highly trained law enforcement professionals to grab one of his guns. But they don't shoot him right away. Oh no. They allow him to pick up the handgun, bring it all the way up to his mouth and pull the trigger. Only then, we are told, does one of the officers, who wasn't paying attention, pump the desperado full of lead. Do these BATF clowns ever learn? Either these guys are Washington's answer to the Keystone Kops, or we have on the loose a cold, calculating, professional, Gestapo-like killing machine designed to root out dissidents exercising their Second Amendment rights and blow them away without the messiness of trials and due process. How many times does America need to see such tragedies before it wakes up and disarms these dangerous, out-of-control, gun-slinging hitmen? The inmates are running the asylum, folks. Beam me up. There is no allegation made by any of these cowboys that Howell or any others charged in a series of raids in the town of Taft last week had provided weapons to criminals or represented a threat to law- abiding citizens anywhere. In fact, I personally would have felt a lot safer in Taft last week, before Mr. Howell was "suicided" than I would today. I think most Americans would. Let's suspend our own cognitive skills and good judgment for a moment and pretend the cops' story is 100 percent accurate. Was the four-year investigation worth it? Was it a prudent investment of taxpayer dollars? Why aren't these law-enforcement heroes out investigating real crimes of violence against innocent victims, instead of conducting secretive sting operations designed to entrap people into violating inherently unconstitutional laws? But, you know what? Such talk can get you in trouble these days. One of the BATF agents responsible for this tragedy said one of Howell's friends had (gasp!) complained about a ban on "assault weapons" and the actions of President Clinton, Attorney General Janet Reno and U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein. At the risk of inviting a similar assault on my home or business, let me pick up that cry: These are, indeed, some of the people who represent a real threat to our lives and liberty in America today. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Outrageous case of political persecution (Not!) Date: 13 Oct 1998 14:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Here is a view into the politics and personal beliefs of Maxine Waters. Political tidbits and other shenanigans from around the nation's capital By John McCaslin THE WASHINGTON TIMES Political persecution Putting the political persecution of President Clinton on the back burner for a moment, Rep. Maxine Waters, California Democrat and a key member of the House panel considering the impeachment of Mr. Clinton, got out her pen and wrote a two-page apology to Cuban President Fidel Castro. A copy was obtained by Inside the Beltway. First, though, some background. On May 2, 1973, Joanne Chesimard, a member of the Black Liberation Army, and two of her friends were stopped in their vehicle on the New Jersey Turnpike by state troopers James Harper and Werner Foerster. While being questioned, Chesimard and the driver opened fire with automatic pistols, striking Trooper Foerster twice in the chest and Trooper Harper in the shoulder. Then, grabbing Trooper Foerster's own weapon, an additional two bullets were fired execution style into the officer's head, killing him. Trooper Foerster left behind a wife and family. After a six-week trial, Chesimard was found guilty of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in a New Jersey maximum-security prison. Until 1979, when she broke free after taking a guard and prison van driver hostage. She fled to Cuba and was granted "political asylum." Recently, residents of New Jersey expressed shock and outrage after seeing television interviews of Chesimard living freely in Cuba and portraying herself as a victim. Immediately, New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman requested federal assistance from Attorney General Janet Reno for her return. Congress, meanwhile, called on Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright to do everything in her power to have the convicted murderer returned to the United States. Finally, on Sept. 14, Congress passed a resolution calling on the government of Cuba to extradite Chesimard so she can complete her life sentence. That said, Mrs. Waters, who also is chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, just sent a letter to Mr. Castro saying she and other members of the caucus were "deceived" by Republicans and therefore "mistakenly" voted in favor of the resolution. Grounds for the deception? "Joanne Chesimard was the birth name of a political activist known to most members of the Congressional Black Caucus as Assata Shakur," Mrs. Waters says. "As evidence of their deceptive intent, the resolution did not mention Assata Shakur, but chose to only call her Joanne Chesimard." As for Mrs. Waters opposing the measure? "I support the right of all nations to grant political asylum to individuals fleeing political persecution," the congresswoman writes to the communist leader. "The United States grants political asylum to individuals from all over the world who successfully prove they are fleeing political persecution. Other sovereign nations have the same right, including the sovereign nation of Cuba." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: Re: Disarm the BATF Date: 13 Oct 1998 13:52:43 -0600 Sounds like another case of police-assisted suicide to me. At 08:05 AM 10/13/98 -0700, you wrote: >[01] >Disarm the BATF >Joseph Farah > > > Another day, another debacle for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco >and Firearms. > >This time, the scene is not Waco, Texas, or Ruby Ridge, Idaho, but >Taft, California -- another hotbed of "anti-government activity." > >According to the federal government's own account, the BATF >began an investigation into illegal firearms sales by people espousing >anti-government rhetoric three or four years ago with an undercover >agent allegedly making an illegal purchase of a .22-caliber pistol. > >It ended last week with one of the three targets of the federal >government probe dead in a highly unusual -- and, yes, improbable - >- incident. > >The official story goes something like this: Two BATF agents, a >Kern County sheriff's deputy and Sgt. Ed Whiting of the Taft Police >Department attempted to take into custody on illegal firearms >trafficking charges, Darryl Howell, a 45-year-old grandfather and >owner of a surplus store that sold, among other things, guns and >ammunition. > >A struggle between the BATF agents and Howell ensued. The cops >say he broke away from them, lunged for a .45-caliber handgun, put >it into his mouth and fired a single shot. Whiting, the story goes, had >become temporarily distracted during the scuffle. When he heard >the single shot, he instinctively aimed his gun at Howell and fired >three more shots into his already, presumably, lifeless body. > >Now, if you believe that, I have an intercontinental ballistic missile >I'd like to sell you. > >I'm not a cop, and I've never played one on TV. But I have reported >on enough crime stories in my day to know when one stinks to high >heaven. And this one smells like a cattle ranch on a windless, >summer day in California's Central Valley. > >Let me see if I have this straight. Four cops, one "suspect." This >wanted outlaw -- so dangerous he's been under scrutiny of federal >law enforcement for nearly four years -- is confronted not in his >home, not on his lunch break, not on his way to work or after he >locks up, but during the workday in a store loaded with firearms. >Even though he's not accused of being on PCP or any other drugs, >he cannot be physically subdued by four officers. They are unable >to persuade him to come along peacefully or handcuff him >involuntarily. Instead, he is permitted by these highly trained law >enforcement professionals to grab one of his guns. But they don't >shoot him right away. Oh no. They allow him to pick up the >handgun, bring it all the way up to his mouth and pull the trigger. >Only then, we are told, does one of the officers, who wasn't paying >attention, pump the desperado full of lead. > >Do these BATF clowns ever learn? Either these guys are >Washington's answer to the Keystone Kops, or we have on the loose >a cold, calculating, professional, Gestapo-like killing machine >designed to root out dissidents exercising their Second Amendment >rights and blow them away without the messiness of trials and due >process. > >How many times does America need to see such tragedies before it >wakes up and disarms these dangerous, out-of-control, gun-slinging >hitmen? The inmates are running the asylum, folks. Beam me up. > >There is no allegation made by any of these cowboys that Howell or >any others charged in a series of raids in the town of Taft last week >had provided weapons to criminals or represented a threat to law- >abiding citizens anywhere. In fact, I personally would have felt a lot >safer in Taft last week, before Mr. Howell was "suicided" than I >would today. I think most Americans would. > >Let's suspend our own cognitive skills and good judgment for a >moment and pretend the cops' story is 100 percent accurate. Was >the four-year investigation worth it? Was it a prudent investment of >taxpayer dollars? Why aren't these law-enforcement heroes out >investigating real crimes of violence against innocent victims, instead >of conducting secretive sting operations designed to entrap people >into violating inherently unconstitutional laws? > >But, you know what? Such talk can get you in trouble these days. >One of the BATF agents responsible for this tragedy said one of >Howell's friends had (gasp!) complained about a ban on "assault >weapons" and the actions of President Clinton, Attorney General >Janet Reno and U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein. > >At the risk of inviting a similar assault on my home or business, let >me pick up that cry: These are, indeed, some of the people who >represent a real threat to our lives and liberty in America today. > >- > > S. Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Boyd Subject: Re: Disarm the BATF Date: 13 Oct 1998 13:23:51 -0700 As I understand it, "suicide by cop" is a frequent happening where the suicidee purposefully does things to get the police to shoot them because they can't go through with it on their own. The suspicious thing about all of this, to me, (and I'd surely like URLs for local papers there and any confirming sources) is that the guy -did- alledgedly shoot himself. If in fact he did, then what were his reasons? What might he have been afraid of? If he didn't (assuming the worst) what was the BATFs motivation? Given that it is not uncommon for truly depressed people afraid to do this to themselves to engage the local constabulary, how did he (alledgedly) end up shot through the mouth? Boyd "more data" Kneeland sabutigo@teleport.com wrote: > > Sounds like another case of police-assisted suicide to me. > > At 08:05 AM 10/13/98 -0700, you wrote: > >[01] > >Disarm the BATF > >Joseph Farah > > > > > > Another day, another debacle for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco > >and Firearms. > > > >This time, the scene is not Waco, Texas, or Ruby Ridge, Idaho, but > >Taft, California -- another hotbed of "anti-government activity." > > > >According to the federal government's own account, the BATF > >began an investigation into illegal firearms sales by people espousing > >anti-government rhetoric three or four years ago with an undercover > >agent allegedly making an illegal purchase of a .22-caliber pistol. > > > >It ended last week with one of the three targets of the federal > >government probe dead in a highly unusual -- and, yes, improbable - > >- incident. > > > >The official story goes something like this: Two BATF agents, a > >Kern County sheriff's deputy and Sgt. Ed Whiting of the Taft Police > >Department attempted to take into custody on illegal firearms > >trafficking charges, Darryl Howell, a 45-year-old grandfather and > >owner of a surplus store that sold, among other things, guns and > >ammunition. > > > >A struggle between the BATF agents and Howell ensued. The cops > >say he broke away from them, lunged for a .45-caliber handgun, put > >it into his mouth and fired a single shot. Whiting, the story goes, had > >become temporarily distracted during the scuffle. When he heard > >the single shot, he instinctively aimed his gun at Howell and fired > >three more shots into his already, presumably, lifeless body. > > > >Now, if you believe that, I have an intercontinental ballistic missile > >I'd like to sell you. > > > >I'm not a cop, and I've never played one on TV. But I have reported > >on enough crime stories in my day to know when one stinks to high > >heaven. And this one smells like a cattle ranch on a windless, > >summer day in California's Central Valley. > > > >Let me see if I have this straight. Four cops, one "suspect." This > >wanted outlaw -- so dangerous he's been under scrutiny of federal > >law enforcement for nearly four years -- is confronted not in his > >home, not on his lunch break, not on his way to work or after he > >locks up, but during the workday in a store loaded with firearms. > >Even though he's not accused of being on PCP or any other drugs, > >he cannot be physically subdued by four officers. They are unable > >to persuade him to come along peacefully or handcuff him > >involuntarily. Instead, he is permitted by these highly trained law > >enforcement professionals to grab one of his guns. But they don't > >shoot him right away. Oh no. They allow him to pick up the > >handgun, bring it all the way up to his mouth and pull the trigger. > >Only then, we are told, does one of the officers, who wasn't paying > >attention, pump the desperado full of lead. > > > >Do these BATF clowns ever learn? Either these guys are > >Washington's answer to the Keystone Kops, or we have on the loose > >a cold, calculating, professional, Gestapo-like killing machine > >designed to root out dissidents exercising their Second Amendment > >rights and blow them away without the messiness of trials and due > >process. > > > >How many times does America need to see such tragedies before it > >wakes up and disarms these dangerous, out-of-control, gun-slinging > >hitmen? The inmates are running the asylum, folks. Beam me up. > > > >There is no allegation made by any of these cowboys that Howell or > >any others charged in a series of raids in the town of Taft last week > >had provided weapons to criminals or represented a threat to law- > >abiding citizens anywhere. In fact, I personally would have felt a lot > >safer in Taft last week, before Mr. Howell was "suicided" than I > >would today. I think most Americans would. > > > >Let's suspend our own cognitive skills and good judgment for a > >moment and pretend the cops' story is 100 percent accurate. Was > >the four-year investigation worth it? Was it a prudent investment of > >taxpayer dollars? Why aren't these law-enforcement heroes out > >investigating real crimes of violence against innocent victims, instead > >of conducting secretive sting operations designed to entrap people > >into violating inherently unconstitutional laws? > > > >But, you know what? Such talk can get you in trouble these days. > >One of the BATF agents responsible for this tragedy said one of > >Howell's friends had (gasp!) complained about a ban on "assault > >weapons" and the actions of President Clinton, Attorney General > >Janet Reno and U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein. > > > >At the risk of inviting a similar assault on my home or business, let > >me pick up that cry: These are, indeed, some of the people who > >represent a real threat to our lives and liberty in America today. > > > >- > > > > > S. > > Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Re: Disarm the BATF Date: 13 Oct 1998 17:09:45 -0400 At 08:05 AM 10/13/98 -0700, you wrote: >[01] >Disarm the BATF >Joseph Farah > > > Another day, another debacle for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco >and Firearms. > snip > >Do these BATF clowns ever learn? Either these guys are >Washington's answer to the Keystone Kops, or we have on the loose >a cold, calculating, professional, Gestapo-like killing machine >designed to root out dissidents exercising their Second Amendment >rights and blow them away without the messiness of trials and due >process. > The latter is, in my mind, exactly what they have become; and our rights and lives are absolutely nothing to them. If you ask them we are merely chattle to be treated as so much fecal material. Tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Leuschner Subject: [Fwd: Important Debate News!!! Get the Latest...] Date: 13 Oct 1998 14:40:27 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------146D55CB181C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The attached is from Linda Smith's campaign manager, and is forwarded for info of any Seattle area folks who might prefer conservatism vs. liberalism, and may wish to have a veto proof conservative senate majority next year, or want to show support for such constitutional "details" as the Bill of Rights. Regards, Skip. --------------146D55CB181C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mx.seanet.com (dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2]) by mailhub.pacifier.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14046; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from political (c16.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.129.48]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20716; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000101bdf6e3$c4f15000$0300a8c0@political> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp.pacifier.com id OAA14099 Linda will be debating Patty Murray in Patty's own back yard Friday afternoon at 1:00 PM. We need you to turn out for a rally by 11:30 AM before the debate in orde= r to pump up Linda and deflate Patty Murray. We already know that Patty Murray's campaign is desperately trying to turn people out for a rally to counter us. We want Linda's people to dominate the pre-debate atmosphere! To do so we must turn out hundreds of people. Please call every Linda Sm= ith supporter you know and ask them join you at the pre-debate rally to let t= he press, the political pundits, and everyone else know that Linda's Army is for real. If we show up en masse it will capture the media spotlight and may force Patty Murray to debate Linda Smith several more times (see press release below). And that's the last thing Patty Murray's campaign wants. It is glaringly obvious that Patty's worst spokesperson is herself. We've been given the perfect opportunity to show the world who we want -- and who should be -- our next U.S. Senator. Bring everyone you know to Seattle U. this Friday to support Linda Smith! This event is so importan= t that, if possible, taking off work for three hours to help build the crow= d may make the difference. It could devastate Patty's campaign! I add this press release to keep you in the loop. For Immediate Release For More Information October 12, 1998 Erik Lokkesmoe, 425-957-7676 Pager, 206-918-5768 Murray Makes It Clear: Debates Not A Priority Senator rejects offer to sit down and discuss future debates Bellevue, WA - Senator Patty Murray has made it clear: she will not even = sit down and discuss future debates with Congresswoman Linda Smith. In a faxed letter received today at Smith=92s campaign headquarters in Bellevue, Murray responded to Smith=92s request to sit down and agree to = more than one debate by stating, =93At this very late date, due to my commitme= nts and obligations, I cannot accommodate your proposal.=94 Last Friday afternoon, a letter from Smith was hand delivered to Murray=92= s Senate office receptionist who confirmed that Murray was in still around = and the letter would reach the Senator. The assistant apparently put Smith=92= s letter underneath Murray=92s office door after work hours. Smith=92s letter stated, =93Patty, since there have been some challenges = in settling a schedule for debates at this point, I have a proposal. Let=92= s agree to a panel of media around the state who will sit on an advisory pa= nel to help determine the location and terms of the debates.=94 =93Senator Murray=92s response proves what many in the public have assume= d all along,=94 Jack St. Martin, Smith=92s campaign manager said. =93The Murra= y campaign never intended to accept more than one debate.=94 According to Murray=92s letter, the October 16 debate will be the only ti= me the two candidates will face the public. In her 1992 campaign for U.S. Senate, Murray accepted four debates with challenger Ron Chandler. Smith, on the other hand, continues to press for more debates. On Primar= y Election night Smith proposed eight debates with Murray in the largest population centers of the state. With no response from the Murray campaig= n, Smith again asked Murray to accept a series of debates around the state. ### Gratefully, Michael Corwin Political Director Linda Smith for US Senate 425-957-7676 Bellevue Office 425-957-7886 FAX Check out our web page at: http://www.lindasmith.com If you desire to contribute, please send donations to: Committee to Elect Linda Smith PO Box 65117 Vancouver, WA 98665-9903 --------------146D55CB181C-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Silver Subject: Election info: Vote "no" on App. Justice Zebrowski Date: 13 Oct 1998 16:17:31 -0700 As many of you know, the 2nd Calif. Appellate District upheld the city of West Hollywood's "Saturday Night Special" ban in a decision about two weeks ago (California Rifle & Pistol Assn v. City of West Hollywood, Case No. B108910). The issue in the case was whether the state legislature had "preempted" the matter, which means: did the state government leave room for local cities to enact ordinances regulating firearms? The trial court, and now the 2nd Appellate District, ruled local cities may enact such ordinances. This means cities and towns are essentially free to enact a patchwork of contradictory local laws which will trap erstwhile law-abiding gun owners whose only "crime" may be driving through town. There can be little doubt that had the issue arisen in a case not involving firearms, the Appellate Court would have struck down West Hollywood's ordinance since it clearly conflicts with state law. The case is being appealled to the Supreme Court. However, there is something we can do in the interim: the justice who wrote the opinion is up for re-election this November. That's right, Associate Justrice John Zebrowski is on the ballot in Appellate District 2, Division 2, in the Los Angeles area. Be sure to vote NO on John Zebrowski. Let him know that gun owners will not stand idly by while their rights are stripped away from them. If the race for Appellate District 2 does not appear on your ballot, then please notify everyone you know in the Los Angeles area to VOTE NO ON JOHN ZEBROWSKI. -- Steve Silver Vice President, The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society, Inc. 18034 Ventura Blvd., No. 329, Encino, CA 91316 * (818) 734-3066 For a complimentary copy of the LSAS's newsletter, "The Liberty Pole," e-mail your snail-mail address to: LSAS3@aol.com. The LSAS is a 501(c)(4) California non-profit corporation * * * GET THE TRUTH ABOUT GUNS. VISIT: www.guntruths.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: Investigating The Pollsters (fwd) Date: 13 Oct 1998 22:38:40 PST On Oct 13, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] -----Original Message----- Arrianna Huffington called the pollsters to find out what their methods are, and she discovered that they are getting a 67% hang-up rate. Only 32% willingly staying on the phone with them to participate in the poll. What do you want to bet that the 67% hang-ups are conservative voters. ARIANNA ONLINE 1158 26th Street, Suite #428 Santa Monica, CA 90403 email: info@ariannaonline.com Investigating The Pollsters Filed October 12, 1998 When the history books are written, the Clinton crisis will be the first political crisis to be so entirely driven and shaped by polls. It was, according to Dick Morris' grand jury testimony, a poll that he secretly conducted for the president when the Lewinsky scandal broke that set him on his 8-month-long course of deceiving the public. ``You can't tell them about it, they'll kill you,'' Morris told the president. ``They're just not ready for it.'' And the man who has lived by polls throughout his political career concluded, ``Well, we just have to win, then.'' So the few hundred people who answered Morris' poll determined a critical presidential decision. And now, nine months later, the president's high approval ratings remain his only protection. If the polls are going to be the instrument by which we will judge the fate of this president, it becomes all the more important to answer the key question: Who is talking to pollsters and who isn't? In the 20 months before Richard Nixon resigned in August 1974, 128 polls were conducted asking people whether the president should leave office. In the nine months of the Lewinsky scandal, 325 polls asked that question. It's no wonder that the mushrooming number of opinion polls coupled with the outrageous growth of telemarketing calls have led to a soaring refuse-to-answer rate among people polled. This is not good news for pollsters. The key to polling's accuracy is the principle of ``equal probability of selection.'' But if larger and larger numbers among those randomly selected refuse to participate, this principle no longer applies. It turns out that polling companies will talk about anything except the response and refusal rates of their last poll. Here's a sampling of a nonscientific poll of pollsters that my office conducted between Oct. 1 and Oct. 9, and that illustrated the nonscientific nature of polling. Ours was a short poll: Can you please give us the response and refusal rates for your most recent national poll? ABC News pollster Jeff Alderman's first response was to say that he didn't understand the question. When it was repeated to him, with minor refinements, he growled: ``That's proprietary information. ... I've got another call. Goodbye.'' In polling lingo, that was a refusal -- but a very revealing one. After all, we were not asking if the pollster wanted to change telephone services or presidents. And we were not calling at home during dinner time. Tom Riehle of Peter Hart Associates also used the ``proprietary information'' defense. He called their methods ``our secret recipe'' and explained usefully: ``That's not your business.'' Our little poll was batting 0 for 2 a 100 percent refusal rate. CBS' Kathy Frankovic was reluctant to release CBS response and refusal data without knowing the information her competitors were giving out. She added that it was a complicated issue. But then hiding behind complexity has been a staple of the polling profession. Mike Kagay of the New York Times, Frankovic's partner in the CBS/New York Times polls, did release a response rate for an actual poll, though not the most recent one: 43 percent for the Sept. 12-15 poll. At Gallup, senior methodologist Rajesh Srinivasan promised to fax us response rate data right away. And indeed, we did receive reams of data right away -- on everything except response rates. A representative for Roper-Starch-Worldwide, who did not want his name used, explained that ``that information is not available." [continuity break -- apparent omission from web-posted original] Caddell, who conducted the first major presidential polls for the Carter campaign, is now appalled by the monster he helped unleash. ``The dodging of such basic questions is alarming. When the polling industry is talking to itself, they express their worries about the progressive decline in response rates. But when they talk to the public, they clam up. It's ludicrous to suggest that response and refusal rates are any more proprietary than the size of the sample or the date of the interviews.'' It's time to ask polling companies to make their response rates public for every poll. And if they refuse, perhaps it's time for the media to stop just quoting and start investigating the polling industry to get to the truth behind all the smoke it's been blowing. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Fwd: DON'T TAMPER WITH THIS JURY Date: 14 Oct 1998 07:11:59 -0400 >Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:17:57 -0400 >From: E Pluribus Unum >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) >To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network >Subject: DON'T TAMPER WITH THIS JURY > >DON'T TAMPER WITH THIS JURY > Senator Byrd (D-WV), Senate, October 7, 1998 > > >Mr. President, I have recently read several articles in the press >which are cause for concern. One such article appeared in the >Sunday, October 4, edition of the Washington Post, titled 'Bid to >Trump Inquiry Shelved.' > >The piece discussed White House efforts to produce a letter >signed by at least 34 Democratic Senators declaring that they >would not vote to convict the President, should the House decide >to write articles of impeachment. According to the report, >Minority Leader Tom Daschle has discouraged such an attempt. > >I commend the Democratic leader, Mr. Daschle, for his wise and >judicious counsel on this matter. He has done the White House, >he has done the President, he has done all Senators, and, indeed, >the entire nation a great, great service. > >I am concerned about the ugly and very partisan tone that has >enveloped many discussions of this matter, and about the extreme >polarization which has already occurred. The House Judiciary >Committee has voted to begin an impeachment inquiry. I have had >nothing to say about that. I don't intend to have anything to say >about that. This is the House's business. There is a >constitutional process in place. That process has begun. The ball >is in the field of the House of Representatives at this point. We >here in the Senate should await the decision of the House of >Representatives as to whether or not articles of impeachment >will, indeed, be formulated. > >Senators may at some point have to sit as jurors. Let me say that >again. Senators may at some point have to sit as jurors in this >matter and will be required to take an oath before they do. I >read this oath into the Record a few days ago. I want to read it >again, because the Senate will shortly be going out, not to >return at least until after the elections, and perhaps not until >the new Congress convenes in January. > >To repeat this oath at this point, might be well advised. The >Bible says, 'a word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in >pictures of silver,' and so I think it is a good time to repeat >this oath, which will be incumbent upon every Senator, should >articles of impeachment come to this Chamber. Here it is: > >I solemnly swear that in all things appertaining to the trial of >the impeachment now pending, I will do impartial justice >according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God. > >Note the word 'impartial.' We all need to remember the solemn >responsibility we may be required to shoulder. > >I would suggest by way of friendly advice to the White House, >don't tamper with this jury. Don't tamper with this jury. I have >been in Congress 46 years. I have been in this Senate 40 years. >There are some people here who take their constitutional >responsibilities very seriously. This will not be politics as >usual if articles of impeachment come to this body. > >My friendly words of advice to my colleagues are these: We may >have to sit as jurors. Don't let it be said that we allowed >ourselves to be tampered with, no matter who attempts the >tampering, no matter how subtle the attempt. How can we commit >ourselves to vote for or against articles of impeachment without >having seen them, without having heard the managers on the part >of the House prosecute the articles, without having heard the >impeached person's lawyers and representatives or even the >impeached person himself make the defense? > >How can we as Senators, who will be prospective jurors, commit >ourselves at this point, or at any point, as to how we will vote >on such articles? We cannot do it and live up to the oath that we >will be required to take. It is a solemn matter, it is not >politics as usual, and I personally will resent--and I hope every >other Senator will personally resent--any effort on the part of >anybody in these United States to tamper with Senators as >prospective jurors. I will personally resent it on behalf of the >Senate and on behalf of the Constitution. I urge all Senators to >be on their guard. > >There has been a great deal of gratuitous advice given by people >on the outside, and some on the inside, who know very little, >probably, about the history of impeachment, about the history of >the Senate, about responsibilities of Senators under the >Constitution in such an event. We don't know what the House may >decide to include in articles of impeachment when and if they >ever come to the Senate. There can be an inquiry by the House, >yet never be any articles formulated. That is up to the House. >But if the House decides to formulate articles of impeachment, we >have no choice here in the Senate but to vote up or down. We >can't amend such articles. We have no way of knowing what the >House may consider to be an impeachable offense. An impeachable >offense does not have to be an indictable offense at law. > >So I warn Senators, and I warn those at the other end of the >avenue, to exercise the utmost care lest somebody be unjustly >prejudiced because of tongues that wag too easily and too early. > >I also condemn the circus atmosphere which has overtaken this >city. There are attack dogs on both sides, on the talk shows and >in the press, and their wild and rabid rhetoric is hardly >contributing to an atmosphere of reason or respect. I believe >that everyone must stop playing for advantage. And by that, I >mean Republicans and Democrats alike; I mean people at both ends >of the avenue and in between. > >If the Senate votes on impeachment articles, that will be the >most solemn, the most sobering, and the most far-reaching vote >that Senators in this body will ever cast. Voting for a >declaration of war does not compete with voting to convict or not >to convict a President. We won't be voting to convict a Federal >judge and to remove that judge from office. In this case, it >would be the ultimate vote on the ultimate question that could >ever face this Senate. So I say to my colleagues: Be careful. > >Mr. President, just to illustrate how close we are to making a >total farce of the situation, I note that Larry Flynt, publisher >of a magazine called Hustler, has offered $1 million to anyone >who will come forward with evidence of a sexual liaison with a >Member of Congress or other high-ranking official. How much lower >can we go? Now, that makes a farce of the Constitution. > >Such tactics and countertactics only serve to convince the people >of this Nation that whatever course we eventually take will >amount to nothing more than partisan politics at its very worst. >Now, we all play partisan politics, but this is one thing that >won't bear touching with partisan politics on either side, >Republican or Democrat. This is the Constitution which we have >sworn that we will support and defend. One may say, well, there >is no impeachable offense. This is something we don't know. If >Senators commit themselves prematurely and then find, in reading >the articles, that there is one article that is very, very >difficult to vote against, it may be your own seat that you are >imperiling. > >I urge all Senators, many of whom are going home to stand for >reelection, to avoid making commitments on this matter and to >resist lobbying attempts, no matter how subtle, and no matter who >attempts to lobby them. We must resist pressure from all sides. > >The people are watching. This should not, this cannot, this must >not, become bad, boring, beltway 'politics as usual.' This is a >matter in which partisan politics should play no role. I say this >to my Republican friends as well. There is far, far too much at >stake for the President, for the Presidency, for the system of >separation of powers, for Members of Congress, and for our >country as well. > >Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the >Record the article from the October 4, 1998 Washington Post. > >There being no objection, the article was ordered to be printed >in the Record. > > > > > Published in the Oct. 12, 1998 issue of The Washington Weekly > Copyright 1998 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) > Reposting permitted with this message intact >-- >****************************************************************** > > E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group > > P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 > > Grove City, OH 43123 > > > >Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse > > 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.) > > > >http://www.infinet.com/~eplurib eplurib@infinet.com > >****************************************************************** > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Clinton NYC protester and gun law stuff (fwd) Date: 14 Oct 1998 10:50:15 -0500 (CDT) AT THE BARRICADES (in NYC 10/12) ================================ I made my first foray into the being of "demonstrator" yesterday when I went into NYC with two double-sided handmade signs to the vicinity where Our President was shilling for bucks (yet again.) And "vicinity" it was. I was moved three times from places I had previously been told to stand. I wondered if this happened in the 60's when people heckled Johnson. (I didn't like LBJ, but I wasn't against the war in Vietnam per se, so I spent my time at the racetrack in that era.) I was on the streets for about four and a half hours during which time Our President was "moved" three times. I caught a glimpse of one of those moves when his northbound limo turned west and I was on the NE corner at least 50 feet away. The only other "demonstrators" I encountered were a pair of immigrants for D'Amato; a non-English speaking couple with a humongous fabric banner mounted at opposite ends on two large poles, reminiscent of the sort one would see in a May Day parade, supporting Clinton; and a brief appearance by homosexual activists suggesting that we needed stronger laws against murdering homosexuals than against murdering normal people. My signs didn't use poles because I thought the police considered these dangerous objects in the "vicinity" of Our President. My two signs had four messages (one per side): CLINTON SCOREBOARD FUNDRAISERS 100 CABINET MEETINGS 2 INAPPROPRIATE CONTACTS 350 * *wag W H O K I L L E D V I N C E ? HOW DID MONICA GET HER PENTAGON SECURITY CLEARANCE ??? CLINTON & SCHUMER HEROES OF WACO PERFECT TOGETHER (unemployed) Reaction, especially to the first, was fantastic! The police loved the signs. I had one Captain come over to me and ask me if I was a NYer. After I explained that I lived in NJ, but that I had almost always lived in the NY Metro area, he said he wished there were more like me around. Some brought their friends. One suggested that I would have to update my "scoreboard" tomorrow. Another apparently hadn't thought about Monica's security clearance, suggesting that she couldn't be trusted with the evening garbage. I spoke at length to several including one who probably told me more than he should have about security arrangements, and NYPD interaction with the SS. (There were zillions of NYPD uniformed officers. I wondered what happens when the President visits Toledo. I also wondered if he acutally raises more money than one of these visits costs.) The best reaction of the night came from three uniformed Secret Service guys who walked past me. They each started to laugh, and one of them nearly doubled over from g'fawing. I watched them after they passed by and they launched into animated conversation. The SS must spend a lot of time talking about the Slick One. Other passers by were largely divided into the rush hour crowd, and the evening crowd. The rush hour crowd was =extremely= supportive. I got lots of thumbs-up signals, approving smiles, and "I'm with you"s. 20-35 year-old females in their smart NYC work attire were very supportive. There were virtually no negative comments. Later, when there were fewer people, things were more balanced. I had a number of nice conversations with like-minded people. Interestingly two couples, about a half hour apart were each from the NW suburbs of Chicago. Some asked who Vince was, in contrast with rush hour folks who asked if I had seen "The List." There were more thumbs-up. Tourists took pictures of me and my signs, or them and me and my signs. But there were a number of people who did object to my signs with brief polite comment, or disapproving glares. (The NYC 60+ matrons especially!) One drunk wasn't so polite; my new-found NYPD buddies descended upon him en mass and essentially escorted him from the jurisdiction. It was a fun evening. I was only sorry that I was by myself, and that I wasn't allowed to be near the President's path which is where the TV crews were. ML/NJ ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas For educational purposes only: Suspend 'Instant Check' System, Or Suspend the Constitution By Lisa S. Dean "Endangered Liberties" Commentary Monday, August 10, 1998 Back when Congress passed the McClure/Volkmer Act, it was viewed as a triumph for advocates of the second amendment. McClure/Volkmer, among other things, absolutely prohibited any recording of gun sales and gun owner information in any government facility. But then Congress passed the Brady Bill, the first part of which permitted the creation of a database for anyone who didn't meet the background check requirements, but that collected data had to be destroyed within 20 days. The second part of Brady indicates that all records collected must be destroyed instantly, thereby upholding the provisions passed by Congress in McClure/Volkmer. However, Alan Korwin of the Bloomfield Press reported in today's USA Journal that the Federal Bureau of Investigation is about to ignore both McClure/Volkmer and the Brady Bill in order to push its new regulations for the National Instant Check system. Through this new system, gun buyers will have their names and personal information recorded at least three times by independent government agencies, and these records will be kept for an undisclosed period of time, to be determined solely by the FBI. The National Rifle Association has now come out against this regulation, because it is the first real step toward gun confiscation in this country. While some federal authorities have long sought some form of gun registration, they have been frustrated by congressional opposition. But a little opposition never stops the Clinton Administration, however. What they fail to achieve their goal, through congressional action directly, they turn to federal orders and regulations, which seldom get challenged in the Congress. While there has been substantial resistance in various states to this gun registration database, the FBI has that problem solved, it seems. According to Korwin, in order to get the co-operation of the states in this venture, the FBI is offering them a deal. If states co-operate in the national database, then their gun dealers will avoid being taxed by the FBI. However, if states fail to co-operate, then the FBI will tax gun dealers directly. First the Federal Communications Commission imposed its universal service tax on every citizens' phone bill without authorization from Congress. Now the FBI wants to tax gun dealers! Forgive me for asking such an obvious question but since when do federal agencies have the constitutional right to tax anyone? I thought the Constitution gave Congress the power to tax, so where is Congress while all this is taking place? The level of unconstitutional behavior engendered by this Administration is breathtaking. Our form of government is literally being changed right before our eyes and Congress has done little about this. When they have, Clinton simply threatens a veto and Congress runs scared. Incidentally, the new gun regulations are such that no gun sales will be permitted when the national computer databases are not working. With the Y2K problem looming large in just a few months, what a perfect time for the Administration to be able to stop all gun sales in this country. Perhaps they will never be resumed. I don't own a gun and never thought I would want to own one. But maybe the time has come for all good citizens to acquire firearms before it becomes illegal to do so. Personally I never paid a lot of attention to issues like this because I thought we had a Constitution which would protect us against the desires of government to control everything we do. If the FBI gets away with these new regulations, it will be clear that our Constitution will have come one step closer to being suspended altogether. Until that day comes, we, as citizens, had better take action on the assumption that we have no Constitution to protect us. Contact: Lisa Dean @ 202.546.3000 See the latest Endangered Liberties program on the Free Congress Foundation's Website: http://www.freecongress.org ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas -- For help with Majordomo commands, send a message to majordomo@mailing-list.net with the word help in the message body. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Silver Subject: Prof. Volokh to speak at ATF Night Date: 14 Oct 1998 12:34:20 -0700 The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society, Inc., is very pleased to announce that UCLA School of Law Professor Eugene Volokh will speak at "ATF Night" Thursday evening, October 15. Prof. Volokh will offer some brief thoughts about the state of recent Second Amendment scholarship and the debate regarding the right to keep and bear arms in judicial circles. A question/answer period will follow. "ATF Night" is a semi-monthly (third Thursday of every even-numbered month), informal meeting of Southern California firearms rights activists. "ATF Nights" feature politics, gun talk, great food and (for those who wish to partake) adult beverages. 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VISIT: www.guntruths.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Clinton polls hold steady in wake of chinese nuclear attack Date: 15 Oct 1998 12:54:27 -0500 (CDT) --------- Forwarded message ---------- Clinton Polls Hold Steady In Wake of Chinese Nuclear Attack 13 October, 1998 By David Burge CNS Satire Washington, DC - In the first comprehensive measure of public opinion since the nuclear obliteration of Los Angeles by the People's Liberation Army of China, a newly released New York Times/CNN poll revealed relatively steady job approval ratings for President Bill Clinton. The president's overall job approval rating was 62%, a slight drop from last month's level of 64%. Pollster Stan Greenberg cautioned that the drop might reflect simple geographical sampling differences. "For instance," said Greenberg, "Los Angeles is a traditional stronghold of Clinton support. We weren't able to poll many LA residents in this latest study because the city was basically, well, wiped out." "If you factor in the millions of dead Clinton supporters," said Greenberg, "the approval rating is more like 66%." Clinton fared better among women, especially in crucial suburban swing districts. These so-called "soccer moms" threw their support behind the president by a margin of 69% - 28%, with 3% undecided. The approval rate rose to a stunning 91% among insecure, wealthy, low-IQ women who drive Lexus SUVs, read "People" and "Mirabella", and sit on their fat asses all day watching weepy made-for-TV movies on the "Lifetime" cable TV network. The results buoyed the spirits of Clinton political advisors, who feared some female electoral fallout after Clinton admitted last week to keeping a harem of teenage sex slaves chained in the White House basement. The poll also found strong Clinton support among recipients of public aide, personal injury lawyers, illegal aliens, convicted sex offenders, and the Psychic Friends Network. Together, these demographic segments account for 56% of U.S. population, and 94% of Democratic Party registration. Poll respondents cited the president's handling of the economy as a principle factor in their support. Debbie Mayer, 37, of Albany, NY noted, "I won $3 in Pick Five last Tuesday. I credit Bill Clinton." So does Dorothy Evans, 62, of Spearfish, SD. "I save money with the many valuable coupons I get in my Sunday newspaper. These would be eliminated if Bill Clinton, God forbid, loses office." In the lone weak spot for the president, poll respondents expressed disappointment regarding Clinton's handling of the Chinese nuclear attacks, by a 51% - 39% margin. Many in Washington felt that the president made a strategic political mistake last week when he admitted personally selling the nuclear weapons to the PLA during a state visit last year, in order to raise money for his legal defense fund. The disapproval rose to 56% among those who had a close relative or loved one vaporized in the attack. The president's political team was able to somewhat deflect his culpability, however. In the poll, 76% of respondents agreed with the statement, "All politicians sell nuclear weapons to hostile nations to raise money for their legal defense fund." Surprisingly, Clinton received high marks (71% approval) from the invading Chinese army, which is expected to storm eastward across the Rocky Mountains by Wednesday. "While the PLA is not a traditional voting bloc, their support will be crucial in keeping Democrats in the White House after the revolution of the proletariat," said Greenberg. Storming across the Great Basin of Nevada, PLA Artillery Officer Guang Xiapang expresses a typical opinion. "Comrade Mao has declared the principles by which our glorious revolution will be implemented. Comrade Clinton has endorsed our struggle, and has provided us the rope with which we will hang decadent capitalist society." Added Guang, "Just get off the poor guy's back." Editor's Note: This piece originally ran on Free Republic in August and is reprinted by permission of the author. Courtesy of Free Republic Copyright 1998, David Burge, the IowaHawk at IowaHawk_98@yahoo.com ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: BRUSSELS CONFERENCE (fwd) Date: 15 Oct 1998 14:36:44 PST On Oct 15, Tom Walls wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Thomas D. Walls International Firearms Directory http://www.afn.org/~afn18566 INTERNATINAL CONFERENCE SUSTAINABLE DISARMAMENT FOR SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT BRUSSELS, 12-13 OCTOBER 1998 THE BRUSSELS CALL FOR ACTION The NRA will be sending over a brief synposis shortly on this convention. The Conference welcomes recent initiatives by international, regional, national and local actors, both governmental and non-governmental from all regions of the industrialized and developing world, to control and reduce the flow and availability of small arms and light weapons. The conference served to promote an international programme of action on practical disarmament and peacebuilding. The conference welcomes recent initiatives by the United Nations to operationalise and intergrate the approach to disarmament, security and development. It encourages the Secreatry General to provide assistance to member states seeking the UN's help in weapons collection, demobilisation and reintergration. Weapons collection programmes should be an intergal part of peace agreements, demobilisation programmes and post-conflict reconstruction. Mechanisms should be established to identify and promote best practice and ensure adequate resources for such programmes. The conference urges the rapid and transparent destruction or safe disposal of such collected arms. In close partnership, the donor community should support government weapons collection and development programmes involving communities striving to remove weapons from circulation. The schemes needed to be developedwould offer aid and debt relief ( eg: debt/arms destruction swaps, or weapons collection linked with development projects )- to facilitate and increase incentives for the collection, destruction or secure disposal of " ALL " weapons stocks that are surplus to legitimate requirements. A CALL FOR MEASURES TO ADDRESS THE WIDESPREAD AVAILABILITY, TRANSFER AND USE OF LIGHT WEAPONS AND SMALL ARMS. National, regional and international regulations, policies with respect to the possession and transfer of arms should be strengthened where appropriate to enhance international cooperation in combating the illicit arms manufcturing and trafficking. More to follow on the Brussels convention .......................... Thank you NRA for being there for all of us ! Donna Ferolie [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Ten Free Citizens (fwd) Date: 16 Oct 1998 01:01:05 PST On Oct 15, Stephen B Clayton wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] My late wife's Grandfather, had he lived longer, would have enjoyed talking with everyone on Fratrum (and Raptus and Garden, too!). As a Constitutionalist and as a hard-working American citizen, he died in 1967, still championing the rights of the common man and buttonholing his neighbors about freedom. I was sorting through some of his effects today and I came across the following. It was published by "Americans for the Competitive Enterprise System". I'm not sure about the date, but the rhetoric seems to place it somewhere in the early 50's. The picture it paints may seem mild in comparison with PDD's and Executive Orders. Take it as a historic snapshot of the times. And remember the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Steve Clayton - Tampa Bay Area, Florida, USA Megilah Bereshith 12:2-3 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Story Of Ten Free Citizens, And What Happened To Them Ten free citizens, prosperous and content, Scoffed at socialistic trends, price controls and rent. Coal profits disappeared, miners wouldn't mine; Bureaucrats took over Coal - then there were nine. Nine free citizens - Farmers saw too late Dangerous threats in crop controls, then there were eight. Eight free citizens, each in his heaven; Medicine was socialized - that left seven. Seven free citizens swallowed socialist tricks; Planners took Utilities - leaving only six. Six free citizens - Railroads couldn't thrive; Federal operation came, reducing them to five. Five free citizens restricted more and more; Steel has been collectivized - that leaves four. Four free citizens taxed unmercifully: Government absorbed the Banks, then there were three. Three free citizens - profits are taboo; Socialized insurance came, removing all but two. Two free citizens - Rations have begun; Price controls plague housewives - that leaves one. One free citizen, the last remaining one, Cannot carry on alone, so now there are none. Ten free citizens (but they're no longer free) Do as they are ordered in a Planned Economy. Socialism got them all, one by one you see. Each little sucker thought: "It can never happen to me!" ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Republican Leadership Caves (fwd) Date: 19 Oct 1998 10:13:40 PST On Oct 19, by way of John Wells wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Tell Your Congressmen to Vote "NO" on the Omnibus Spending Bill --Republicans gut the Smith amendment; leave little for gun owners to cheer Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org ACTION: The final version of the omnibus spending bill still contains the gutted version of the Smith amendment. So please contact your Representative and Senators and urge them to vote NO on the "omnibus spending bill" (202-224-3121). A vote has been scheduled for Tuesday. Already, some of the more pro-gun members of Congress have told GOA that they plan to oppose this legislative sellout by the Republican leadership. But other legislators need to hear from the folks back home. In the following statement-- delivered to congressional offices today-- GOA explains what the gutting of the Smith amendment will mean for law-abiding gun owners. (GOA letter delivered to Congressional offices today) Vote AGAINST the Omnibus bill! -- Please don't "insult" gun owners (October 16, 1998) As we reported last week, the budget conference committee has severely gutted the Smith Anti-Tax and Registration language. This is a major victory for President Clinton and Sarah Brady of Handgun Control, Inc. Ms. Brady's web page states that the full Smith amendment would have been "an early Christmas present to criminals." Imagine that! Prohibiting the FBI from registering law-abiding Americans is-- in Sarah Brady's view-- a gift to criminals! What an insult to the millions of honest gun owners nationwide. [ see http://www.handguncontrol.org/press/oct9-98facts.htm ] Unfortunately, the conference committee has placated Ms. Brady and the President. The Smith provision requiring the "immediate destruction" of all gun owners' names has been deleted. Allowing the FBI to keep gun buyers' names for 24 hours represents the first time in federal history that government officials would have explicit permission to retain gun owners' names for a period of time-- albeit a brief period. The conference version has also dropped an extremely important part of the Smith amendment which would include a private cause of action for citizens whose privacy is violated by the FBI. The Smith language allowed aggrieved private citizens to sue the FBI and to collect monetary damages, including attorney's fees. Now that this language has been deleted from the bill, it means that gun owners may have to rely upon Janet Reno to rein in FBI officials who illegally retain gun owners' names-- an outrageous scenario. Thus, GOA will rate a vote against the omnibus bill as a pro-gun vote. Is there any good news for gun owners? * What about the Smith prohibition on the FBI tax? This part of the Smith amendment did survive in the omnibus spending bill and that is good news. But gun owners should know that they're still going to have to pay. Because the gun owners' tax was deleted, Republican leaders increased funding for the FBI instant background check to $42 million dollars. So you're still going to pay for it-- you just won't see the "tax" until April 15. * What about efforts to extend the waiting period? Sarah Brady and President Clinton both lobbied hard to extend the waiting period beyond the November 30 deadline. They failed. While this is welcome news, people should not forget this simply means that the status quo will remain in force. Current law dictates that the waiting period must expire on November 30. But the government is still going to screen all gun buyers before they exercise their constitutionally protected rights. Gun buyers are still going to face the threat of government bureaucrats registering their names, now that the "teeth" of the Smith amendment has been deleted. Some on Capitol Hill are touting all of this as a tremendous victory for gun owners. Well, with more victories like these, there won't be much of a Second Amendment left. **************************************************************** Did someone else forward this to you? To be certain of getting up to date information, please consider subscribing directly to the GOA E-Mail Alert Network. The service is totally free and carries no obligation. Your e-mail address remains confidential, and the volume is quite low, usually one or two messages per week. To subscribe, simply send a message (or forward this notice) to goamail@gunowners.org and indicate your state of residence in either the subject or the body. To unsubscribe, reply to any alert and ask to be removed. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Phone Scam Date: 20 Oct 1998 09:23:49 -0700 Forwarded FYI folks. Regards, Skip. >This is a scam that is being run around the country, and it is a real >thing that could happen to you and your phone number.. >Beware, your local telephone guy. >JOHN > >--------------------------------- >I received the following call today and called AT&T to check >it out, just to make sure it was "for real." It is, and it >has been going on for over 6 months. > >I received a telephone call from an individual identifying >himself as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a >test on our telephone lines. He stated that to complete the >test we should touch nine (9), zero (0), the pound sign (#) >and then hang up. Luckily, we were suspicious and refused. >Upon contacting the telephone company, we were informed that >by pushing 90#, you give the requesting individual full >access to your telephone line, which allows them to place >long distance telephone calls billed to your home phone >number. We were further informed that this scam has been >originating from many of the local jails and prisons. > >I have also verified this information with UCB Telecomm. >Please be aware. This sounds like an Urban Legend - IT IS >NOT! I further called GTE Security this morning and >verified >that this is definitely possible. DO NOT press 90# for >ANYONE. >The GTE Security department requested that I share this >information with EVERYONE I KNOW!!! > >Could you PLEASE pass this on. If you have mailing lists >and or newsletters from organizations you are connected >with, I encourage you to pass on this information. I also >called my local provider, USWEST, and they said the same >thing. >90# is a phone scam...do not push those buttons for anyone. >It does allow them full access to your phone. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Boyd Subject: Re: Phone Scam Date: 20 Oct 1998 09:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Makes all kinds of sense on a PBX: Press 9 for an outside line (very common) zero for an operator (keeps the line active when you hang up) and pound on some systems is "executive" meaning it tells the switch to hurry up. So how does this work on my single line residential phone? -Boyd PS Another scam to be aware of (in a -business- environment) is folks who redirect calls through puerto rico. Because of it's political status most phone companies bill calls there in a trusting way, they assume you'll pay and no one breaks in to warn you your'e spending 5 dollars a minute. Because it is not a state it's possible for people there to run 900 number setups with other numbers. If you get email telling you to call a number for the business opportunity of a life (believable patter follows) skip it. Particularly if the number includes 011 (overseas trunk) or 9 (see above). Ya want a business opportunity, check the classifieds. If your company has a PBX the administrator can probably rattle off half a dozen little scams like this, you might encourage them to send summaries with warnings in email. Local sources are better. At 9:23 AM -0700 10/20/98, Skip Leuschner wrote: >Forwarded FYI folks. > >Regards, Skip. > >>This is a scam that is being run around the country, and it is a real >>thing that could happen to you and your phone number.. >>Beware, your local telephone guy. >>JOHN >> >>--------------------------------- >>I received the following call today and called AT&T to check >>it out, just to make sure it was "for real." It is, and it >>has been going on for over 6 months. >> >>I received a telephone call from an individual identifying >>himself as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a >>test on our telephone lines. He stated that to complete the >>test we should touch nine (9), zero (0), the pound sign (#) >>and then hang up. Luckily, we were suspicious and refused. >>Upon contacting the telephone company, we were informed that >>by pushing 90#, you give the requesting individual full >>access to your telephone line, which allows them to place >>long distance telephone calls billed to your home phone >>number. We were further informed that this scam has been >>originating from many of the local jails and prisons. >> >>I have also verified this information with UCB Telecomm. >>Please be aware. This sounds like an Urban Legend - IT IS >>NOT! I further called GTE Security this morning and >>verified >>that this is definitely possible. DO NOT press 90# for >>ANYONE. >>The GTE Security department requested that I share this >>information with EVERYONE I KNOW!!! >> >>Could you PLEASE pass this on. If you have mailing lists >>and or newsletters from organizations you are connected >>with, I encourage you to pass on this information. I also >>called my local provider, USWEST, and they said the same >>thing. >>90# is a phone scam...do not push those buttons for anyone. >>It does allow them full access to your phone. >> >> > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Boyd Subject: Re: Phone Scam Date: 20 Oct 1998 09:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Makes all kinds of sense on a PBX: Press 9 for an outside line (very common) zero for an operator (keeps the line active when you hang up) and pound on some systems is "executive" meaning it tells the switch to hurry up. So how does this work on my single line residential phone? -Boyd PS Another scam to be aware of (in a -business- environment) is folks who redirect calls through puerto rico. Because of it's political status most phone companies bill calls there in a trusting way, they assume you'll pay and no one breaks in to warn you your'e spending 5 dollars a minute. Because it is not a state it's possible for people there to run 900 number setups with other numbers. If you get email telling you to call a number for the business opportunity of a life (believable patter follows) skip it. Particularly if the number includes 011 (overseas trunk) or 9 (see above). Ya want a business opportunity, check the classifieds. If your company has a PBX the administrator can probably rattle off half a dozen little scams like this, you might encourage them to send summaries with warnings in email. Local sources are better. At 9:23 AM -0700 10/20/98, Skip Leuschner wrote: >Forwarded FYI folks. > >Regards, Skip. > >>This is a scam that is being run around the country, and it is a real >>thing that could happen to you and your phone number.. >>Beware, your local telephone guy. >>JOHN >> >>--------------------------------- >>I received the following call today and called AT&T to check >>it out, just to make sure it was "for real." It is, and it >>has been going on for over 6 months. >> >>I received a telephone call from an individual identifying >>himself as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a >>test on our telephone lines. He stated that to complete the >>test we should touch nine (9), zero (0), the pound sign (#) >>and then hang up. Luckily, we were suspicious and refused. >>Upon contacting the telephone company, we were informed that >>by pushing 90#, you give the requesting individual full >>access to your telephone line, which allows them to place >>long distance telephone calls billed to your home phone >>number. We were further informed that this scam has been >>originating from many of the local jails and prisons. >> >>I have also verified this information with UCB Telecomm. >>Please be aware. This sounds like an Urban Legend - IT IS >>NOT! I further called GTE Security this morning and >>verified >>that this is definitely possible. DO NOT press 90# for >>ANYONE. >>The GTE Security department requested that I share this >>information with EVERYONE I KNOW!!! >> >>Could you PLEASE pass this on. If you have mailing lists >>and or newsletters from organizations you are connected >>with, I encourage you to pass on this information. I also >>called my local provider, USWEST, and they said the same >>thing. >>90# is a phone scam...do not push those buttons for anyone. >>It does allow them full access to your phone. >> >> > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RAPTUS: GOVT SHOULD INVESTIGATE BAILOUT (fwd) Date: 20 Oct 1998 14:52:52 PST On Oct 20, Rose Bowen wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] October 14, 1998 by: Phyllis Schlafly At the same time that Bill Clinton and his economic aides are demanding billions more for the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the Federal Reserve arranged for a $3.65 billion bailout of its friends in an investment group running a "hedge fund" in Connecticut. The Republican Congress should demand the details about this bailout and get the answers to some tough questions. The failed investments were managed under the name Long-Term Capital Management (LTCM) even though its most of its investments were extremely short term. It has operated in near total secrecy since its founding a few years ago, and the bailout has been shrouded in secrecy. Its most prominent partner is the former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, David W. Mullins Jr. Its investors include top executives at the leading investment banks, including Merrill Lynch, as well as powerful foreign banks. Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin's former employer, Goldman Sachs, has a significant ownership stake. At its peak, LTCM controlled contracts involving $160 billion. It placed large short-term bets on securities issued by foreign governments. Unless Congress investigates what this fund was really doing, the public may never learn the full extent of the scandal. The Hong Kong government has blamed hedge funds like LTCM for disrupting its capital markets, and is currently trying to trace the money flows into and out of its markets. What is known is that the Federal Reserve inexplicably arranged a multi-billion (that's billion) dollar bailout of LTCM without any public scrutiny. The softball questions asked of Alan Greenspan at the recent Congressional hearing revealed almost nothing about the reasons for LCTM's collapse or details about the bailout. Greenspan cryptically testified that "substantial damage could have been inflicted on many market participants, including some not directly involved with the firm, and could have potentially impaired the economies of many nations, including our own." He compared the LTCM bailout to the intervention by J.P. Morgan in the Panic of 1907, a disturbing comparison since most economists now admit that bad monetary policies were the leading cause of the Great Depression. Since Greenspan asserted that LTCM was so-o-o important to the U.S. economy, the public has a right to know what is going on. The Fed can't have it both ways by arguing that LTCM is so vital that the Fed had to intervene, but that the public can be kept in the dark. Greenspan's testimony was self-contradictory, which is an additional reason why Congress should investigate further. Greenspan testified that LTCM pursued "a strategy that was destined to fail," and yet the bailout perpetuates that same strategy. Greenspan also testified that it was regrettable that the LTCM partners were allowed to retain a small stake in the reorganized fund. Yet the bailout was designed to achieve precisely that result. The same day that the Federal Reserve intervened, there was a pending private offer made by a group led by Warren Buffett, which would have provided $3.75 billion to fund LTCM, and another $250 million to buy out the interests of the current LTCM investors. This exceeded the funds provided in the Fed-arranged bailout, but the current investors would have lost 95 percent of their investments. Instead, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York intervened and presented an offer that was far more advantageous to the LCTM management, but less good for the American public. LTCM's personal investors received $405 million for their interests, which was $155 million more than the private offer, plus a guarantee that an additional $3.65 billion would remain in LTCM for three years. That's not all. Under the private Buffett offer, the LTCM investors would have been cut off from future recoupment of their investment. Under the Fed plan, the failed management will be kept in place indefinitely and the LTCM investors will likely be able o recoup an additional hundreds of millions of dollars. So far, the Federal Reserve is saying that no taxpayer funds are involved in this enormous bailout. But how can we be sure when the details of the deal remain secret? At a minimum, the involvement by Federal Reserve fficials used > government power, and taxpayers bear the risk of large losses at the > banks used by the Fed to finance the bailout. The principal cost to the taxpayer may turn out to be in the form of guarantees, which can be just as costly as actual dollars, as the S&L collapse proved. The real risk to the American public is this secret ambling by the Federal Reserve with our economy. The Fed's derailing of a private purchase of LTCM in order to advantage its politically well- connected friends is both an outrage and an endangerment of our country's economic well-being. At a recent high-dollar fundraiser, Bill Clinton eclared that more taxpayer funds for the IMF are essential to American prosperity. "That's a big issue" in the upcoming elections, he warned. A big issue, indeed. If the Republican Congress would do its job and uncover why LTCM collapsed and why the Federal Reserve arranged its bailout, then the voters can make sure that powerful men behind closed doors don't gamble with our prosperity. Phyllis Schlafly column 10-14-98 ------------------ Eagle Forum http://www.eagleforum.org PO Box 618 eagle@eagleforum.org Alton, IL 62002 Phone: 618-462-5415 Fax: 618-462-8909 -------------- To subscribe to Eagle E-mail please e-mail eagle@eagleforum.org with SUBSCRIBE in the subject line ---- Rose Bowen bowenten@swva.net Need a web presence at an affordable cost? Custom Sites and Web Hosting! http://www.sayhello.com/global/ Fax: 212-652-5092 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Re: Phone Scam Date: 20 Oct 1998 17:28:08 -0700 At 09:23 AM 10/20/98 -0700, Skip Leuschner wrote: >Forwarded FYI folks. Sorry; this IS NOT a problem for most of us. This is ONLY a problem for lage companies where you need to dial a "9" to obtain an outside line, and then could make unlimited phone calls from your office. It's NOT a problem for people at home. >>This is a scam that is being run around the country, and it is a real >>thing that could happen to you and your phone number.. >>Beware, your local telephone guy. >>JOHN >> >>--------------------------------- >>I received the following call today and called AT&T to check >>it out, just to make sure it was "for real." It is, and it >>has been going on for over 6 months. >> >>I received a telephone call from an individual identifying >>himself as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a >>test on our telephone lines. He stated that to complete the >>test we should touch nine (9), zero (0), the pound sign (#) >>and then hang up. Luckily, we were suspicious and refused. >>Upon contacting the telephone company, we were informed that >>by pushing 90#, you give the requesting individual full >>access to your telephone line, which allows them to place >>long distance telephone calls billed to your home phone >>number. We were further informed that this scam has been >>originating from many of the local jails and prisons. >> >>I have also verified this information with UCB Telecomm. >>Please be aware. This sounds like an Urban Legend - IT IS >>NOT! I further called GTE Security this morning and >>verified >>that this is definitely possible. DO NOT press 90# for >>ANYONE. >>The GTE Security department requested that I share this >>information with EVERYONE I KNOW!!! >> >>Could you PLEASE pass this on. If you have mailing lists >>and or newsletters from organizations you are connected >>with, I encourage you to pass on this information. I also >>called my local provider, USWEST, and they said the same >>thing. >>90# is a phone scam...do not push those buttons for anyone. >>It does allow them full access to your phone. >> >> > >- > > > Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (voicemail) http://www.gvn.net/~creative/ "Roaming the world as a foreign correspondent for more than a decade, I was able to observe how a variety of vastly different nations organized themselves economically. The inescapable conclusion was that no politician anywhere on the planet has ever actually created a rupee's worth of prosperity." Louis Rukeyser, "Louis Rukeyser's Wall Street" newsletter, Nov 96 Founding Member of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Re: Phone Scam Date: 20 Oct 1998 17:28:08 -0700 At 09:23 AM 10/20/98 -0700, Skip Leuschner wrote: >Forwarded FYI folks. Sorry; this IS NOT a problem for most of us. This is ONLY a problem for lage companies where you need to dial a "9" to obtain an outside line, and then could make unlimited phone calls from your office. It's NOT a problem for people at home. >>This is a scam that is being run around the country, and it is a real >>thing that could happen to you and your phone number.. >>Beware, your local telephone guy. >>JOHN >> >>--------------------------------- >>I received the following call today and called AT&T to check >>it out, just to make sure it was "for real." It is, and it >>has been going on for over 6 months. >> >>I received a telephone call from an individual identifying >>himself as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a >>test on our telephone lines. He stated that to complete the >>test we should touch nine (9), zero (0), the pound sign (#) >>and then hang up. Luckily, we were suspicious and refused. >>Upon contacting the telephone company, we were informed that >>by pushing 90#, you give the requesting individual full >>access to your telephone line, which allows them to place >>long distance telephone calls billed to your home phone >>number. We were further informed that this scam has been >>originating from many of the local jails and prisons. >> >>I have also verified this information with UCB Telecomm. >>Please be aware. This sounds like an Urban Legend - IT IS >>NOT! I further called GTE Security this morning and >>verified >>that this is definitely possible. DO NOT press 90# for >>ANYONE. >>The GTE Security department requested that I share this >>information with EVERYONE I KNOW!!! >> >>Could you PLEASE pass this on. If you have mailing lists >>and or newsletters from organizations you are connected >>with, I encourage you to pass on this information. I also >>called my local provider, USWEST, and they said the same >>thing. >>90# is a phone scam...do not push those buttons for anyone. >>It does allow them full access to your phone. >> >> > >- > > > Ken Mitchell Citrus Heights, CA kmitchel@gvn.net 916-955-9152 (voicemail) http://www.gvn.net/~creative/ "Roaming the world as a foreign correspondent for more than a decade, I was able to observe how a variety of vastly different nations organized themselves economically. The inescapable conclusion was that no politician anywhere on the planet has ever actually created a rupee's worth of prosperity." Louis Rukeyser, "Louis Rukeyser's Wall Street" newsletter, Nov 96 Founding Member of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Dutch carry cards that say: Don't kill me, doctor (fwd) Date: 21 Oct 1998 07:24:49 PST On Oct 21, Douglas E. Renz wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Dutch carry cards that say: Don't kill me, doctor The Netherlands -- More than 10,000 people in Holland have started carrying anti-euthanasia "passports" because they are frightened of being killed prematurely by over-enthusiastic doctors if they fall ill. The move comes as the newly-elected Dutch government presses ahead with a proposal to legalise "assisted suicide" by doctors, the first of its kind in Europe. The Bill is being pushed through despite the government's own surveys showing that Dutch doctors are increasingly practising non-voluntary euthanasia and are ending patients lives without their approval. It is estimated that every year up to 25,000 people die when their treatment is terminated on medical grounds. According to the most recent survey into euthanasia - carried out in 1995 and sponsored by the Dutch government - 23 percent of doctors said that they had ended a patient's life without his or her explicit request. Although euthanasia is technically illegal in Holland, doctors who assist with voluntary euthanasia rarely face prosecution. As a consequence an estimated 3,000 patients die each year after they have specifically requested that their lives be terminated. The "declaration of life" cards, which are being distributed by pro-life groups throughout Holland, carry the words: "I request that no medical treatment be withheld on the grounds that the future quality of my life will be diminished, because I believe that this is not something that human beings can judge. I request that under no circumstances a life-ending treatment be administered because I am of the opinion that people do not have the right to end life." Opponents are concerned that enshrining voluntary euthanasia into law will turn assisted suicide into a fully accepted medical practice. In particular they fear that it will encourage doctors to carry out euthanasia without prior consultation. Under current guidelines, a doctor is required to report all cases of euthanasia to the public prosecutor. But many do not comply, partly because of the stigma of reporting to the public prosecutor's office, but also because they run the risk of prosecution if they are judged to have wrongly applied the euthanasia process. >From next month, however, doctors will report to an advisory committee, comprising medical, ethical and legal experts. Only if the committee is dissatisfied will a case be referred to the public prosecutor. Dr Peggy Norris, the chairman of the World Federation of Doctors Who Respect Human Life, said: "This is awful. It is the most vulnerable who will be affected. There will be added pressure on patients to think that they are a nuisance to their family and that perhaps it is better to ask the doctor for something and die now rather than later." Helen Watt, a research fellow at the Roman Catholic church-backed Linacre Centre of Healthcare Ethics in London, said: "If something is legally tolerated then people tend to assume it is right. It becomes part of the medical culture." The Dutch Physicians Association said that doctors who oppose voluntary euthanasia are frightened to speak out for fear of losing their jobs. The association, whose predominately Christian membership is against the practice of voluntary euthanasia, has begun telling its 500 members not to mention their views when applying for a job. Dr Krijn Haasnood, the association's spokesman, said: "There is much pressure on doctors to practise euthanasia. Up to now a doctor who did not want to carry out euthanasia could say that it was against the law, but now it will be the right of the patient to request it. It will be part of the job of the doctor. We are going into a new area and we don't know where it will end. It is a total change in the role of the doctor if killing patients becomes part of the job." Anneke Verhoeven, a spokesman for the Lifewish Declaration Foundation, part of the Dutch Patients Association, which produces one of the anti-euthanasia passports, said: "When you are ill, euthanasia seems to be a solution but it is not. There is so much that can be done to ease pain and suffering. Sometimes people too quickly think that the pain is unbearable and that life is no longer worth living." -- The Pro-Life Infonet is a daily compilation of pro-life news and educational information. To subscribe, send the message "subscribe" to: infonet-list-request@lists.prolife.org. 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For more pro-life info visit the Ultimate Pro-Life Resource List at http://www.prolife.org/ultimate and for questions or additional information email ertelt@prolife.org [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: TIME TO SEND CLINTON TO THE SHOWERS (fwd) Date: 22 Oct 1998 11:00:39 -0500 (CDT) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- The following commentary published this week in _Navy Times_ (a commercial newspaper published primarily for Navy and Marine audiences but not officially connected with the Department of Defense) has become a Major Media Event, being featured, inter alia, on the Wednesday _Today_ show. This is from www.navytimes.com. Just follow the links. [*]NAVY TIMES [*]MARINE CORPS EDITION Published: 10-19-98 Category: BACK TALK Page: 70 TIME TO SEND CLINTON TO THE SHOWERS BY SHANE SELLERS A cold, drizzly morning greeted me when I shuffled outside to fetch the Sunday paper. The autumn wind shoved a half-dozen dried leaves across my path. Ten feet away, a squirrel gnawed on an acorn. The gloomy October morning matched the murky headlines in the day's paper. I sighed heavily, beaten once more over the head with the story that has dominated media attention since January--the Clinton sex scandal. I secretly wished that baseball commissioner Bud Selig had, in the best interest of the country, extended the major-league season indefinitely. A week earlier, Mark McGwire's pursuit and capture of baseball's single-season home run title had the country mesmerized. It was like an elixir. With every swing of the bat, McGwire carried us past the denials, half-truths and counter-accusations spewing out of Washington. But no more. The magic ended when Big Mac planted his 70th home run over the fence and Sammy Sosa of the Chicago Cubs finished a few behind him. There is no joy in Mudville; mighty Clinton is still at bat. The most sickening aspect of this scandal is not the president's alleged crimes. What's deplorable are the machinations of the political leaders who want to short-circuit the constitutional process and cut some sort of deal--all in the name of "getting the issue behind us." Reading the U.S. Constitution leads one to think that President Clinton's conduct would warrant impeachment hearings. After all, isn't impeachment the mechanism our founding fathers devised for these circumstances? But our lawmakers seem more preoccupied with interpreting statutes than invoking them. Those favoring a deal believe that the president's conduct deserves punishment, but his offenses against the American people do not amount to "high crimes and misdemeanors." I wonder how this selective interpretation of severity would play out in our military judicial system. Imagine it. An officer makes three false official statements. In effect, the officer lies. His supervisor calls him on it. By way of explanation, the officer makes these comments: "Mistakes were made." "I always intended to make it right." "I did not want my conduct to embarrass my family or the Marine Corps." Sound familiar? Though they are the words of a Marine in trouble for lying, they are remarkably similar to Clinton's explanation for his "inappropriate relationship" with Monica Lewinsky. The Marine was an otherwise stellar performer, but he was found guilty at non-judicial punishment. The damning verdict was upheld by a review board convened to determine the Marine officer's suitability for continued service. He was retained, but never again held a position of special trust and confidence. He was forced to retire as soon as he was eligible to do so. I always thought that the law was the law, fair and equal to all constituents. So, why should the president of the United States receive any less verdict and sentence for lying under oath? After due process, one of his constituents--read subordinates - - was cut down and denied further service to the nation as a Marine, after all. Is there a more suitable punishment for disgracing the honor of your title than having it taken from you in shame? I think not. The distinct lack of moral outrage at Bill Clinton appears to be his salvation. He'll avoid justice because we'll just yawn and let him go. Yet in the meantime, we are repulsed by the wealth of coverage given to the scandal. We can't have it both ways. Wrong is wrong, regardless of the identity or position of the perpetrator. The only way to push this scandal off of the front pages is to assert some moral courage. First, let's be specific. It's not about sex. It's tawdry and titillating, to be sure. But for all its soap-opera quality, what Clinton and Monica did as consenting adults boils down to adultery. And one should call an adulterous liar exactly what he is--a criminal. Next, Congress should take quick action based on facts. Don't sugar- coat the issue at hand. Don't stretch the truth or detract from it. Hold Clinton accountable to the law he swore to uphold and defend -- then swiftly punish him if the charges against him are corroborated. If only Congress could act that decisively. But I'm not holding my breath. I see a squirrel gnawing on an acorn, and I fear we are in for a long, hard winter. How many days until spring training? Shane Sellers is a mustang major with 20 years in the Marine Corps. These are his opinions. Copyright 1998 Army Times Publishing Company. All Rights Reserved. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: FW: Like a thief in the night ----- (fwd) Date: 22 Oct 1998 12:14:01 PST On Oct 22, Douglas E. Renz wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I'm a parent, I don't need Government to tell me how to be one and take care of my children for me. Keep out of our childrens lives!! Also, Kids are born fools and when they are around other fools, they will still be fools. When you roll around in mud with a pig do you get clean, no you get dirty. The idea of children being reformed around their peers does not work. Just look at the problems in public schools. Children need to be around adults, ie. their PARENTS! -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 8:54 PM VERY URGENT * VERY URGENT * VERY URGENT Dear Friends: Like a thief in the night, while we all were sleeping, through the "back door" it came ---- Hillary Clinton's "VILLAGE" While the following addresses a specific problem in Texas, the problem is a NATIONAL problem and the particular program noted below is being implemented in ALL STATES. A few days ago my seven (7) year old granddaughter, who is in the second grade at the Bill Brown Elementary School in Comal County Texas, brought home the following "Parent Consent Form" for her parents to sign and return to the local public school she attends. Please note that the school had my granddaughter participating in the CIS program at least "one month before" informing her parents about the existence of the program or asking for their permission for the child to participate in the program. Please read the following consent form VERY CAREFULLY and you will note that when a parent signs the form, that parent in effect sign a "blank check" allowing a non-educational entity to engage their child in a myriad of psychological activities AND they also release Communities In Schools (CIS) and it's employees, volunteers, or agents from liability for accidents, injuries or [ mental? ] illnesses that may occur to my child form his/her participation in the program. After you have read the consent form, we will give you a list of the psychological based programs that the student will be sucked into if the parent signs the form. You will also please note that the complete list of specific programs IS NOT INCLUDED as part of the consent form. The consent form was deliberately designed to be very broad and non-specific, for a very special reason. The following consent form was reformatted for transmission via email. ****************************************************** COMMUNITIES IN SCHOOLS Helping kids to help themselves COMMUNITIES IN SCHOOLS OF TEXAS PARENT CONSENT FORM I give permission for my son/daughter,______________________ to participate in Communities in Schools at ________________________________________________school I understand that my permission is being given so that: * My child can receive services provided by Communities In Schools, which may include but are not limited to supportive guidance/counseling, tutoring, enrichment activities, testing and referrals to other agencies as needed. * Communities In Schools may obtain confidential information which may include information form the Texas Education Agency (TEA), school records, financial information, public assistance status, test scores, medical information and questionnaires. I understand that the Release of Information form must be signed in order to obtain some of the information above. * My child can participate In field trips and other activities sponsored by Communities In Schools. Private transportation may be used in these and other activities * Routine or emergency medical or dental treatment by any licensed medical doctor may be provided in the event of illness or accident if I am unable to be reached. Emergency Contact number ______________________________ Preferred Hospital ______________________________________ Insurance provider name and number or Medicaid number ______________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ * My child and I understand that we are voluntarily participating in the Communities In Schools program. May we use your child's photograph / video pictures in publicity about Communities In Schools? YES ______NO______ I release Communities In Schools and it's employees, volunteers, or agents from liability for accidents, injuries or illnesses that may occur to my child form his/her participation in the program. DATE: _______________________ Parent/Guardian Name (Please print): ______________________________________________________ Parent/Guardian Signature: ______________________________________________________ Address: _____________ City: ________________ Zip: ________ Telephone Numbers: (Home)___________________________ (Work)___________________________ ******************************************************** The above "CIS" Parent Consent Form allows the public school to engage your child in the following programs, most of which are psychological based programs. Umbrella Of Services provided: Case Management Crisis Intervention Dropout Prevention Substance Abuse Prevention Crime Prevention Life-Skills Training Home Visits Counseling Referrals Tutoring Grief Counseling Teen Parenting Education Early Childhood Education Violence Prevention Entrepreneurial Skills Gang Alternatives Peer Counseling Community Service Child Abuse Prevention Parent Training Mental Health ******************************************************* Of special note is the fact that the Communities In School (CIS) program is Hillary Clinton's "VILLAGE" and like a thief in the night, while we were all sleeping, the state slipped it in through the "back door" via the Texas Workforce Commission. The reason CIS is subservient to the TWC is very simple. ALL TWC Officers are APPOINTED by the Governor and therefore the CIS program is not subject to the voice of the people through elected representatives like it would have been had it been implemented through the Texas Education Agency. The Christian Alert Network has formally petitioned the Texas Workforce Commission state office in Austin for a considerable amount of detailed information relating to the CIS program. The information petitioned includes a copy of the complete contract. As soon as that specific information arrives we will present a detailed analysis of the various services noted above and other important information, on the TCAN Web Site. I plan to establish that chapter on the TCAN web site before the first of next week and as soon as it is established I will advise you of it's ID and location. In the mean time we strongly URGE all Texas parents to copy the NOTICE AND DECLARATION OF PARENTAL RIGHTS at [ http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin/a55.htm ] complete a copy for each student and deliver that form to your local public school officials as quickly as possible. Additionally, you need to insure that your child does not get sucked into "ANY" public school program that is not directly related to the basic academic subjects such as reading, writing, math, science etc.etc. ALL PASTORS: Please make the above information available to the members of your congregation. We depend on you to help us keep God's children informed. TEXAS PASTORS: Please contact me, the undersigned, as soon as possible and lets talk about starting a Christian School in your church or community. If you already have a school in your church we still need to talk about starting other Christian Schools in your area. We will help you get your people interested in and started in home schooling. Rev. "Curt" Tomlin, President The Christian Alert Network (TCAN) Inc. POB 11746 Killeen, Tx 76547-1746 Web site: http://www.vvm.com/~ctomlin Email: "TCAN" Fax: 254-628-7894 Phone: 254-628-7043 ***** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RAPTUS: FW: Compulsory Medical Treatment Is Un-American (fwd) Date: 22 Oct 1998 12:13:06 PST On Oct 22, Douglas E. Renz wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 12:42 PM Compulsory Medical Treatment Is Un-American Oct. 21, 1998 by: Phyllis Schlafly Why are American infants and schoolchildren being forced to submit to hepatitis B vaccinations even though the French Health Ministry has stopped giving them because of evidence they can cause neurological disorders and multiple sclerosis? Has America become a nation where bureaucrats can force controversial medical procedures on children without informed choice by parent or child? If you think such things only happen in Communist China, think again. Big Brother is on the march and his weapon is a hypodermic needle carrying the vaccine for hepatitis B. ""Force'' is not too strong a word. Across the country, newborn babies are being injected with hepatitis B vaccine only hours after birth (even when their mothers test negative for hepatitis B), and children are told they must present proof of having received three hepatitis B shots before they can be admitted to daycare, kindergarten, fifth grade, high school, or college. I first became interested in the hepatitis B vaccine when, in connection with the birth of two new grandchildren, I learned that hospitals are routinely injecting newborns with the vaccine during their first 24 hours of life. A series of inquiries produced no convincing medical reason or scientific evidence for this procedure. My new grandchildren were not at risk for hepatitis B, which is primarily an adult disease transmitted through bodily fluids. Those most at risk are the highly promiscuous (heterosexual or homosexual), needle-sharing drug addicts, health care and custodial workers exposed to blood, and babies born to already-infected mothers. According to a Centers for Disease Control (CDC) report, there were only 10,637 cases of hepatitis B in the United States in 1996, including only 279 cases in children under the age of 14. Hepatitis B is not fatal for most who contract it, is not epidemic except among those high-risk groups, and bears no relation to hepatitis A (the disease sometimes picked up in restaurants when food-handlers don't wash their hands). For the problem of 279 children who have hepatitis B, millions of U.S. children are being forced to submit to vaccination consisting of three hepatitis B shots! Where does such an intrusive and expensive rule originate, and how can it be enforced nationally since immunizations are a state, not a federal, matter? The federal medical police have figured out how to override state authority (and even pediatricians who might otherwise act in the interest of their patients), and develop an intricate system outside of the spotlight of public scrutiny and without accountability. CDC endorses a given vaccine, the state legislatures delegate the decision-making power to state public health departments, the unaccountable bureaucrats make regulations that conform to CDC instructions and have the impact of law, and the drug manufacturers spend millions to advertise their products. The CDC uses carrot and stick to force states to obey federal mandates. The CDC has doled out hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to reward state health departments for promoting mass vaccinations, and has the power to withhold money grants if state health officials don't show proof of designated vaccination rates. The 1993 Comprehensive Childhood Immunization Act, signed by President Clinton, gave the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) $400 million to award to states to set up state vaccine registries to tag and track children so that Big Brother can hunt them down and compel vaccinations. States receive either $50, $75 or $100 per child who is fully vaccinated with all federally recommended vaccines, including hepatitis B. When I entered public school, the only vaccination required was for smallpox, and that's the only immunization I ever had. Most states now require children to be injected with about 33 doses of 9 or 10 different viral and bacterial vaccines in order to enter public school, including three doses of hepatitis B vaccine. In 1995, HHS Secretary Donna Shalala gave the states the power to appropriate newborn babies' social security numbers in order to set up vaccine tracking registries. The CDC plans to network all the state vaccine tracking registries in order to create a de facto centralized electronic database containing every child's, and ultimately every American's, medical records. More than 22,000 reports of hospitalizations and injuries, including 300 deaths, following hepatitis B vaccination have been reported since 1990 to the U.S. government's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. There have been no controlled studies to evaluate these reports, there is no adequate proof of the vaccine's long-term safety, little is known about its effect on a newborn baby's immune system, and the disclaimers that the drug manufacturers put on the hepatitis B vaccine package are downright disturbing. The hepatitis B vaccine may give only a temporary immunity, and it is not clear when booster shots will be required. Some of those who receive the hepatitis B vaccine may thereafter test positive for hepatitis B because many routine blood tests are not sophisticated enough to differentiate between prior vaccination and the disease. Freedom in America should include allowing parents to make their own informed choice about injecting their babies with a potentially dangerous vaccine. More information is available from the National Vaccine Information Center (1-800-909-SHOT and http://www.909shot.com). Phyllis Schlafly column 10-21-98 Eagle Forum http://www.eagleforum.org PO Box 618 eagle@eagleforum.org Alton, IL 62002 Phone: 618-462-5415 Fax: 618-462-8909 To subscribe to Eagle E-mail please e-mail eagle@eagleforum.org with SUBSCRIBE in the subject line [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: AdvAM: Mainstream Values Under Attack (fwd) Date: 22 Oct 1998 12:19:14 PST Kevin mentions a sign someone carried, and if anyone sees one, please suggest to them that the following alteration would be more appropriate for a proper Christian attitude: "Let Jesus not AIDS cure gays!" On Oct 21, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The ADVANCE AMERICA Network (c) 1998 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ MAINSTREAM VALUES UNDER ATTACK Probably you saw the lines of questioning on morning shows like NBC's Today, trying to pin responsibility for Matthew Shepard's monstrous torture-murder on Christian groups that claim homosexuality can be cured. Or maybe you're unfortunate enough to live in a town like Billings, Montana whose newspaper has editorialized that widespread bias in favor of heterosexuality contributed to the atrocity. Despite the fact that Shepard's own father has pleaded that his son's death not be exploited to advance a political agenda, the lifestyle ghouls know no decency. Mainstream moral values are as always the greatest enemy in their world, and any opportunity to attack them must be seized, even at the expense of causing pain to a gay murder victim's family. Here in Alaska, where a constitutional amendment is before voters that will specifically define marriage as a union between one man and one woman, the danger that Shepard's cruel murder would be exploited to argue against the amendment is high. So far the *Fairbanks Daily News-Miner* has stated no opinion of its own on the issue, but it did print an editorial from an Illinois paper opposing such exploitation. Letters to the editor in the *News-Miner* against Ballot Measure 2 have nevertheless been venomous in attacking mainstream Alaskans who may support it. I usually avoid USENET newsgroups, but recently out of curiosity I visited one devoted to the question of impeaching President Clinton. A common thread in the statements by Clinton defenders, usually stated in tones of outright glee, was that the President's critics are vainly trying to defend a long-dead concept of sexual morality that frowns on such things as adultery. Geraldo Rivera, one of the President's staunchest defenders on network television, admitted in his autobiography to having bedded, even while married or otherwise involved, nearly every woman he ever worked with; Rivera's tack on Clinton is that he's being persecuted over a "sex lie." Clearly more than just our Constitution and the Rule of Law are at issue in the Lewinsky matter. Every aspect of mainstream sexual morality is regarded with hostility, every victory over mainstream values serves as another rung up the ladder to the ultimate destruction of that hated morality. Hate and homophobia are not imaginary hobgoblins -- the Shepard murder and such protest signs as "AIDS Cures Gays" are proof enough of that. The question is whether such phenomena justify the concerted and consistent effort by lifestyle ghouls across America to dismantle every single, solitary element of mainstream values. Nor can the Shepard murder necessarily be laid exclusively at the doorstep of homophobia; given their drunkenness at the time of the killing, and their obvious disregard for life, the two petty monsters in Wyoming might very well have chosen some other prospective victim, for some other "reason," had Matthew Shepard not crossed their path first. But for Shepard's misfortune, it might even have been a racial killing, or a rape-murder -- or they might have killed someone for having attended a different school; those two men were time-bombs of hate looking for an excuse to go off, as such monsters usually are. Those who blame mainstream values for Matthew Shepard's murder, or for abortion clinic bombings or anything else, overlook the fact that hate and murder are NOT mainstream values (much though they would like to make them out to be, in order to indict the whole concept of morality), and that laws against murder -- such as the ones in Wyoming that define the Shepard killing as a capital offense inviting the death penalty -- are there BECAUSE of mainstream values. Mainstream America isn't gloating over the fact that Matthew Shepard is dead. Far from it. The only ones coming close to gloating are hateful monsters -- including those who try to exploit the murder for political benefit. -30- October 21, 1998 ================================================================ **Visit the AdvAM/AdvAK archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/advance.htm The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Silver Subject: Fw: Liberal fill-in-the-blank test Date: 22 Oct 1998 12:50:30 -0700 The politically correct answer(s) follow each question. 1. Evidence exists that a Democratic administration: o uses the IRS to harass political opponents o sells missile technology to China for campaign contributions o illegally obtains hundreds of Republican FBI files o conspires to commit perjury and obstruct justice o systematically engages in blackmail, bribes and threats of violence These allegations should be thoroughly __________. -- denounced. 2. Thousands of media reports falsely claim that racists are burning black churches in the South. This is a good example of __________. -- consciousness-raising. 3. In a mid-term election, Republicans increase their representation in the House by 52 seats, and in the Senate by 7 seats. No Republican congressmen are defeated. This result can best be characterized as __________. -- anti-incumbent. 4. A Republican Speaker of the House suggests changes to Social Security. He is motivated by a desire to __________. -- impoverish and starve old people. 5. Two thugs rob and murder a gay man, and rob and beat two other men the same night. One of the murderers reportedly has several gay friends. This is a clear-cut example of __________. -- a hate crime. 6. After saying he wanted to kill some white people, a black man murders six whites and Asians on a train in New York. This is a clear-cut example of __________. -- the need for stricter gun-control laws. 7. A Republican Supreme Court nominee is accused by a former employee of having made sexually suggestive remarks ten years ago. The proper response is to __________. -- march in the streets. 8. A Democratic President lies under oath about an affair with a 21-year old employee to avoid liability in a sexual harassment case. He is also accused of sexually assaulting several other women. The proper response is to __________. -- forget it and move on. 9. An economic expansion occurs during a Republican administration. This period is known as __________. -- a decade of greed. 10. An economic expansion occurs during a Democratic administration. This period is known as __________. -- a booming economy. 11. Some people blow up a Federal Building. Responsibility for this heinous act rests with __________. --the Republican party, the National Rifle Association, all gun owners and all other conservatives. 12. An extremist environmental group destroys a $12 million ski resort in Colorado purportedly to protect the lynx population. Responsibility for this heinous act does not rest with Al Gore and other radical environmentalists, but with ______________. --the ski resort and its patrons for not immediately shutting down its operation in the interests of "protecting the environment." If you correctly answered all the above questions and weren't bothered for a second, here are two bonus questions: 13. All liberal initiatives of any kind are done __________. -- For the children. 14. Pointing out contradictions in liberal thinking is called __________. -- Hate speech. Scoring: All 14 -- Liberal 0 - 13 -- Fascist -- Steve Silver Vice President, The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society, Inc. 18034 Ventura Blvd., No. 329, Encino, CA 91316 * (818) 734-3066 For a complimentary copy of the LSAS's newsletter, "The Liberty Pole," e-mail your snail-mail address to: LSAS3@aol.com. The LSAS is a 501(c)(4) California non-profit corporation * * * GET THE TRUTH ABOUT GUNS. VISIT: www.guntruths.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Lohr headquarters? (fwd) Date: 23 Oct 1998 23:36:33 PST Looks like the Loony Left is throwing a Temper Tantrum. We probably shouldn't let this one go; As in hound the Media or details..... On Oct 23, David W Shuee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] I understand that Indiana State House district 46 candidate David Lohr's (R) campaign headquarters burned this week. Dave has take some very principled stands, including support for the patriotic movement's view of gun rights. Does anybody have details? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Open sesason on citizens goes on unreported (fwd) Date: 24 Oct 1998 15:40:16 PST And the beat(ing) goes on..... On Oct 24, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Subj: Re: police shooting To Whom it May Concern: On 10-23-98 in Sallisaw, OK the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, N.E. Region, with Senior agent V.M. Lyons in charge, swarmed a mobile home to "serve" a drug related arrest warrant. Inside this residence was a 13 year old teenage girl, a 5 year old little girl, a 4 month old infant, their Mother, Dad and another couple that had stopped for a cup of coffee on their way to a fishing trip. In typical terrorist fashion, the glass (screen door), (main door was open) came crashing in and armed agents poured in screaming and waving guns at people. The mother reached for her 5 year old to keep her from running in terror and as she did her shoulder was blown off by one of the trained terrorist robots! NO FIREARMS were in the house and the mother was in the kitchen several feet away from the goons which were still in the living room. The 13 year old passed out at the sight of seeing her mother shot down in her own kitchen and the 5 year old went into total hysteria (remind you of Ruby Ridge?). One of the agents was reported to have asked "who fired?" at which time there was a period of silence while they looked at one another. The mother, Pat Eymer, is at this time in the Sparks hospital in Ft Smith, AR. The dad, Steve Eymer is in jail, the children are in the care of the state while the grandmother who came in from out of state to get the children is not allowed to even see them until there is a court hearing on 10-26-98. Now, whether Mr Eymer is guilty or not is not an issue with me, what bothers me are the goofy, stupid, dangerous, cruel, idiotic, irresponsible, unamerican, and cowardly tactics used by these agencies to "serve" arrest/search warrants. If these so called "men" are so scared of being hurt, they need to get out of the business and let people with common sense and decency tend to these matters. If this was an isolated incident, a huge law suit and public apology may serve for justice but this is becoming a regular pattern in this country for the past several years now. Talk about CHILD ABUSE! How about a law that no firearms can be allowed to make any arrest wherever children are present! Our government is evidentyly not mature or responsible enough to be allowed anywhere near the same physical location as our children and grandchildren with firearms! NO outlaw is worth killing innocent children for. Where are their priorities??? I don't know how many inches away from the head of this 5 year old little girl that bullet passed in order to blow the shoulder off of this dangerous unarmed mother, but if it was in the same house, it was too close as well as the act of a coward robot. By the way, the local news media has been hush hush about this which is the reason I'm typing this! I hope it is accurate, it is to the best of my knowledge and ability, it may be the only side of this story you'll ever hear. kdsmyrl@lcc.net [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: JPFO alert (fwd) Date: 27 Oct 1998 15:53:10 PST On Oct 27, Douglas Davis wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Return-Path: >From: jpfo@dbeatty.worldweb.net >Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:26:22 -0500 >To: Douglas Davis > >From: jpfo@dbeatty.worldweb.net >Subject: E mail alert > > >Help Stop the Gun Prohibitionists' >Seduction of Our Children >http://www.jpfo.org/brasco.htm > >Dear JPFO Member: > > To reverse the damage caused by media lies and public school >disinformation about firearms ownership, we absolutely must protect the >hearts and minds of children. > Did you know that a poll sponsored by the Panasonic Corporation >showed most kids believe "gun control" laws should be more >restrictive?1 These kids don't understand that it will be their job to >preserve >the precious legacy of the Second Amendment. How can we help them >accomplish this critical task? > > To instill in children a positive impression of firearms is step number >one. If children had a healthy, moral, and positive view toward firearms, >then >the gun prohibitionists would not get away with lying to our kids. We >wouldn't have schoolyard shootings, either. All of those despicable efforts >to >promote "gun control" would fail utterly. > >A Totally New Educational Tool ! > > JPFO has launched a new program to accomplish this goal. Please >read our new Brasco (tm) story & coloring book. Brasco (tm) the Liberty >Bear makes learning firearms safety fun. He creates a positive image of >firearms. He teaches kids important lessons about liberty. > > Sit down right now and read your enclosed premier copy! > > Brasco (tm) will make kids proud that their parents own firearms. >Brasco (tm) also "inoculates" our kids against the racist anti-gun and anti- >Bill >of Rights rhetoric which they will hear in school, in the media, and from >other >brainwashed kids. > > The Brasco (tm) story and coloring book not only creates a desire to >own and properly use firearms, but also provides a family-oriented program >to teach about the proud American birthright: private firearms ownership. > > Every member of the family can read the Brasco (tm) book to younger >kids. Imagine the funs kids would have at a Brasco (tm) the Liberty Bear >party. Cake, ice cream, and prizes for each kid who reads one of the 26 brief >messages or colors one of the Brasco (tm) figures. Think of all of the young >hearts and minds you could influence and win. > > The Brasco (tm) book also helps kids learn the alphabet, how to count, >read numbers, even recognize Roman numerals. The cartoon figures are large >and easy for young artists to color. The big bright bear figures reveal a >range >of emotions and discuss subjects that will vitally interest both boys and >MORE (you've seen 69%): >girls. > > What if you don't have children of your own? You can do your part >to save the Second Amendment by sharing this first Brasco (tm) with >nephews & nieces, or with friends who do have kids. > > The Brasco (tm) educational program makes it possible for kids to be >buddies with a solidly pro-firearms, no compromise character. This kind of >program does exactly what we need: it develops a positive image of firearms >ownership at this crucial time in American history. > >Your Help Is Needed Today ! > > Here is how you can help Brasco (tm) stop the efforts of rights >destroyers everywhere: buy and start using the Brasco (tm) book today! >Don't delay ... order a generous supply of Brasco(tm) books and make sure >they get to all of the children in your life (and their pro-liberty teachers). > > When you help Brasco(tm), you become part of the vital solution to >stopping gun prohibitionists from subverting the hearts and minds of >American children. > >Yours for Liberty, > >Aaron Zelman > >___ > > Those that care more for their money than their Liberty will end up with >neither - Aaron Zelman >P.S.: Buy 50 Brasco (tm) booklets and JPFO will send you a dozen free >Brasco (tm) greeting cards. You'll save $11.95 ! > ****************** Firearms, self-defense, and other information, with LINKS are available at: http://shell.rmi.net/~davisda Latest additions are found in the group NEW with GOA and other alerts under the heading ALERTS. For those without browser capabilities, send [request index.txt] to davisda@rmi.net and an index of the files at this site will be e-mailed to you. Then send [request ] and the requested file will be sent as a message. Various shareware programs are archived at: ftp://shell.rmi.net/pub2/davisda To receive the contents of the FTP site, send [request index.ftp] to davisda@rmi.net ******************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Navy-Ship Witnesses, 2 more (fwd) Date: 28 Oct 1998 08:14:17 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Two witnesses, Alice Rowe and Lisa Perry, of Long Island, report having seen a large Navy ship close to shore, near the area TWA 800 crashed, about two hours before the crash. They join a list witnesses, including Navy veterans, who also reported seeing a Navy ship or ships off shore on the day of the TWA 800 crash. About a month ago came the earth-shattering, mass-media ignored admission by the head of the FBI's TWA-800 investigation that 3 ships in the crash area where "Navy ships on classified maneuvers" [*] in the very same close-to-shore area that triangulated-witness accounts indicate to be the launch site of the rocket that killed TWA 800. Here then is the account of two Navy-ship eyewitnesses (thanks to Cmdr. Bill Donaldson (USN ret) for making them avail- able (full account: http://members.aol.com/FL800/perry.html)): "On July 17, 1996 we saw a United States military vessel travelling from the west towards the east, just outside the sandbar along the shore of Davis Park, Fire Island. It was about 6 or 6:30. We had returned to the beach with our children after a quick dinner so that they could play in the tidal pools on the beach. While they were playing, we noticed a boat just outside the sandbar towards the west. Initially each of us thought it must be some type of fishing boat... Once it was in front of us we saw that is was quite obviously a military fight- ing ship. It was battleship gray, with the char- acteristic I.D. numbers on the front; there was a lot of equipment on board such as the big globe which we assumed must be radar, and military gunnery. We discussed how neither of us had ever seen such a ship so close to shore, even though we have each spent many years at Long Island beaches. ... We are 100% sure the ship was a military fighting ship. In an effort to be of assistance, we separately looked at pictures of military boats from the book Jane's Fighting Ships, ('96-'97). Independently we each matched our recollections to the pictures of a destroyer. Attached are copies of the pictures. Sincerely, Alice Rowe and Lisa Perry" ___________________________________________________ [*] Admission of Navy ships in same area as the TWA 800 crash: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/coverup4.htm ___________________________________________ IAN GODDARD'S ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN JOURNAL ------------------------------------------- http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm - the critics are raving - "Shouldn't this be expunged?...[since] it is spreading fear and suspicion of the government." Lesley Stahl (CBS - 60 Minutes) Call the police! Newsday reports that "another site linked to Goddard's" is linked to another site that "pictures a woman's bare derrierre." BTW, I'm still (drool) looking for that site On CNN, a Federal official said Goddard's TWA 800 inquiry has caused "real damage." ergo: stopping Goddard = damage control GIVING THE BIG LIE A BLACK EYE WITH THE FIST OF ANALYTICAL INQUIRY ___________________________________________ IAN GODDARD'S ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN JOURNAL ------------------------------------------- http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Alpert" <1911a1@gte.net> Subject: Election night IRC channel for gunners Date: 28 Oct 1998 17:00:34 -0600 I'm an election night junkie and in '94 when our freedoms were on the line I established an IRC channel for people like me. The idea is that, gunners interested in election night returns from around the country come into the channel using their state's 2-letter abbreviation and report early returns from their local news outlets. I'll be MO and will be reporting on the Bond-Nixon campaign and the hot congressional races from here and look forward to your company. Come join me at 7pm CST Tuesday on #Guns&Liberty on the undernet. Folks who can cover Illinois, Washington, and California are especially welcome. Thanks, Brad *** I will fight until Hell freezes over and then I will fight on the ice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: [Fwd: IP: Electronic March] (fwd) Date: 28 Oct 1998 18:59:36 PST On Oct 27, Y2J wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Sent to you by: JVS a/k/a Y2J's Prepardeness & Supply "It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark." "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened." - Sir Winston Churchill "It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it." --Thomas Jefferson to James Lewis, Jr., 1798. "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --George Orwell ELECTRONIC MARCH A US grass-roots group has kicked off the Billion Byte March, calling itself the first Internet march on Washington. The aim is to send a million emails to Congress in January, on the day of the State of the Union Address. Why? To reform America's social security system. See http://www.march.org **************************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address **************************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **************************************************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: GSL> History Channel Tonight (fwd) Date: 29 Oct 1998 10:49:53 PST On Oct 29, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Please pass this message on. Thanks. Kevin McGehee North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ "When you run out of things to say, it's usually wise to stop talking." -----Original Message----- >forwarded from GSL > >Ken Grubb >Miami, FL > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Melinda Gierisch [SMTP:gieriscm@hotmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 1998 10:26 AM >> To: gsl@listbox.com >> Subject: GSL> History Channel Tonight >> >> http://thePentagon.com/FullBookJacket ------------ >> http://GunsSaveLives.com >> >> The History Channel will air tonight, Thursday, October 29th, at 7:00PM >> EST, a program entitled, "Gun Control: The Right To Bear Arms." Please >> pass this message on to friends. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Fw: [FP] FW: FCC Proposes Location Tracking for Wireless Phones (fwd) Date: 29 Oct 1998 11:48:12 PST On Oct 29, Arlin H. Adams wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] -----Original Message----- >====================================================================== >SCAN THIS NEWS >10/30/98 > >Forwarded: >---------------- > >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:12:21 -0500 (EST) >From: Ari Schwartz >Subject: FCC Proposes Location Tracking for Wireless Phones > > > The Center for Democracy and Technology /____/ Volume 4, Number 27 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > A briefing on public policy issues affecting civil liberties online >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > CDT POLICY POST Volume 4, Number 27 October 28, 1998 > > CONTENTS: >(1) FCC Proposes Location Tracking for Wireless Phones >(2) Public Comment Sought - CDT Launches Citizen Action Site >(3) FCC Opens Inquiry into Wiretapping in Packet Networks >(4) Other Surveillance Features >(5) Subscription Information >(6) About CDT > > ** This document may be redistributed freely with this banner intact ** > Excerpts may be re-posted with permission of > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >_ > >(1) FCC PROPOSES LOCATION TRACKING FOR WIRELESS PHONES > >Rejecting privacy arguments, the Federal Communications Commission on >October 22 proposed turning wireless phones into location tracking devices. > >Ruling under the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act of 1994 >(CALEA), the Commission proposed requiring cellular and other wireless phone >companies to track the location of their customers, identifying the cell >site at the beginning and end of every call. This decision, if finalized, >would allow the FBI to get out of the privacy deal it struck in 1994 when >CALEA was adopted. At the time, the FBI said that location information was >not required by CALEA, and the Congressional intent is 100% clear on the >point. > >For background on CALEA and the FCC's proceeding, see CDT's digital >telephony page: http://www.cdt.org/digi_tele/ > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >_ > >(2) PUBLIC COMMENT SOUGHT - A CHANCE TO TELL THE FCC THAT CELL PHONE >TRACKING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE! > >The FCC decision on cell phone tracking is only a tentative decision, known >as a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking. The Commission is seeking public >comment on its proposal. The public comment period has not been set, but >could be between 30 and 60 days. Until now, the discussion on this issue >has been held by policy-makers in Washington, but this decision will affect >the entire nation. Since this will likely be the only chance for those >outside the beltway to weigh in with a comment, CDT urges citizens to let >their voice be heard. > >CDT has established a special "Action" page to make it easy for citizens to >contact the FCC and file comments opposing the location tracking proposal: >http://www.cdt.org/action/filing.html > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >_ > >(3) FCC LAUNCHES INQUIRY INTO WIRETAPPING IN PACKET NETWORKS > >On a separate issue in the same CALEA proceeding, the Commission agreed >with CDT and other privacy advocates. The FCC said that industry's initial >plan for conducting surveillance in so-called "packet" networks was >insufficient, and the Commission asked for further technical and legal >comment. Packet networks break communications up into many small packets, >each one consisting of a segment of content with addressing information >attached to rout it to its intended destination. Under the industry's >proposal, carriers could have provided to the government a person's entire >packet stream, including both routing information and content, even when >the government did not have the authority to intercept the content of the >communications. CDT argued that the carriers should be required to >separate addressing information from the content of communications and only >give the government what it was authorized to intercept. > >The Commission decided that it needed to launch a technical inquiry. This >could determine the future of surveillance. The question is whether >carriers have an obligation to protect the privacy of communications the >government is not authorized to intercept. > >For CDT's discussion of the packet issue, see: >http://www.cdt.org/digi_tele/980426_fcc_calea.html#ivc >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >_ > >(4) OTHER SURVEILLANCE FEATURES PROPOSED > >On other items sought by the FBI, the Commission tentatively decided that >carriers should be required to continue tapping parties on a conference >call after the subject of the court order has dropped off the call, and to >extract dialed number information from the content stream and provide it to >the government under a minimal standard. In all, the Commission >tentatively accepted five out of nine new surveillance capabilities sought >by the FBI. > >As of today, only a sumamry of the Commission's decision, not the full >NPRM, was not publicly available. CDT will make the full text of the NPRM >available on-line as soon as it becomes public. > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >____ >(5) SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION > >Be sure you are up to date on the latest public policy issues affecting >civil liberties online and how they will affect you! Subscribe to the CDT >Policy Post news distribution list. CDT Policy Posts, the regular news >publication of the Center For Democracy and Technology, are received by >Internet users, industry leaders, policymakers and activists, and have >become the leading source for information about critical free speech and >privacy issues affecting the Internet and other interactive communications >media. > >To subscribe to CDT's Policy Post list, send mail to > >majordomo@cdt.org > >In the BODY of the message (leave the SUBJECT LINE BLANK), type > > subscribe policy-posts > >If you ever wish to remove yourself from the list, send mail to the above >address with NOTHING IN THE SUBJECT LINE AND a BODY TEXT of: > > unsubscribe policy-posts >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >____ >(6) ABOUT THE CENTER FOR DEMOCRACY AND TECHNOLOGY/CONTACTING US > >The Center for Democracy and Technology is a non-profit public interest >organization based in Washington, DC. The Center's mission is to develop >and advocate public policies that advance democratic values and >constitutional civil liberties in new computer and communications >technologies. > >Contacting us: > >General information: info@cdt.org >World Wide Web: http://www.cdt.org/ > > >Snail Mail: The Center for Democracy and Technology > 1634 Eye Street NW * Suite 1100 * Washington, DC 20006 > (v) +1.202.637.9800 * (f) +1.202.637.0968 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >End Policy Post 4.27 10/28/98 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >------------------------------------ >Ari Schwartz >Policy Analyst >Center for Democracy and Technology >1634 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100 >Washington, DC 20006 >202 637 9800 >fax 202 637 0968 >ari@cdt.org >http://www.cdt.org >------------------------------------ > >-----Original Message----- >From: believer@telepath.com [mailto:believer@telepath.com] >Sent: Thursday, October 29, 1998 6:05 AM >To: believer@telepath.com >Subject: FCC Proposes Location Tracking for Wireless Phones > >======================================================================= >Don't believe anything you read on the Net unless: >1) you can confirm it with another source, and/or >2) it is consistent with what you already know to be true. >======================================================================= >Reply to: >======================================================================= > To subscribe to the free Scan This News newsletter, send a message to > and type "subscribe scan" in the BODY. > Or, to be removed type "unsubscribe scan" in the message BODY. > For additional instructions see www.efga.org/about/maillist.html >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Scan This News" is Sponsored by S.C.A.N. > Host of the "FIGHT THE FINGERPRINT!" web page: > www.networkusa.org/fingerprint.shtml >======================================================================= [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RAPTUS: (Fwd) CAS: WND: Medical mayhem: The Jim McDougal story (fwd) Date: 29 Oct 1998 11:49:38 PST On Oct 29, Rose Bowen wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Medical mayhem: The Jim McDougal story By David T. Nash M.D. Copyright 1998, WorldNetDaily.com Jim McDougal was an interesting man. He was the friend, financial adviser and confidant of some very bright and very powerful people. He enjoyed more than his 15 minutes of fame that most of us are entitled to according to Andy Warhol. Yet there are a number of loose threads in his story that most have never heard of, and many don't seem to want to know about. From a purely medical aspect his final illness points out that even celebrities can have really poor care, if we are to believe the limited amount of data that has been grudgingly released. Some background might be helpful to the uninitiated. Long ago Jim and his wife were partners with another couple, Bill and Hilary Clinton. They participated in a land development scheme that to put it as charitably as possible did not do well and resulted in real and maybe not so valid losses, at least for tax purposes. But the fact was that he was tried, and after a period of several years was found guilty and sent to jail. The role of others in the failure and financial hanky panky is a matter of some debate, and it sort of depends on whether you are a member of one or another political party. What has not really been discussed or even really investigated is the most interesting part -- the medical aspects. Let's start with the facts -- we do have an autopsy which shows (I quote from official records): Severe hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease (This means that he had heart disease from high blood pressure, and hardening of the arteries) Cardiomegaly (his heart was enlarged to 546 grams, a normal male would be 350-400 grams, so he had a big heart, and it was not from being a wonderful giving gentleman, it was because his high blood pressure had not been treated adequately enough) Left ventricular hypertrophy (this means that the wall of his heart was thickened, again this would mean that he could have a severe heart problem because not enough oxygen would be available to meet the extra demands on his heart in case of stress or strain, or cold) Occlusive coronary atherosclerotic disease (hardening of the arteries of his heart which would cause chest pain if he were under stress or frightened or cold (more on this later) Scars of carotid endarterectomy ( He had hardening of the arteries of his neck and an operation was done to clear away the cholesterol filled plaque or narrowing, like rust in an old pipe) Status post aorto-femoral bypass grafts ( This means that he had hardening of the arteries of his legs bad enough to require surgery, and, I believe he used a cane) Once in jail he was given Prozac, an antidepressant, but evidently not other drugs according to some witnesses. (There was Prozac in his blood at autopsy. There is no evidence that he received high blood pressure medicine.) He was asked to give a urine specimen, and did not, saying he could not (an effect of antidepressants). The jail people gave him Lasix ( a diuretic) to force his urine (a drug he did not require otherwise). He was placed in a cold (60-degree) cell in isolation. He complained of chest pain but he was not under observation when he collapsed and died after transfer to the hospital. Now the fascinating part is that here is a man in a nationally discussed case, under supervision in a jail, who is known to have high-blood pressure, known to have high cholesterol, and has had not one but two surgical operations directed at the effects of his cholesterol, and they are not treating his cholesterol. He gets a drug he does not need, when they simply could have given him several glasses of water or tea and waited and he would have given them their requested urine sample. Just think about it, a famous witness dies a needless death with clearly less than adequate medical care. If this is the case with this celebrity, what would you guess is the care of the average Joe/Jane who does not meet the radar of a close examination because they are only important to their loved ones. It seems to me that a closer look at this McDougal Medical Mayhem might be instructive. Maybe he really received excellent care that was not documented. Maybe? David Nash is a medical doctor and clinical professor of medicine. ================================================= Rose Bowen bowenten@swva.net Need a web presence at an affordable cost? Custom Sites and Web Hosting! http://www.sayhello.com/global/ Fax: 212-652-5092 [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Warning: this post contains material not suitable for children! (fwd) Date: 29 Oct 1998 11:51:20 PST Some of these are good, but I'd like to see one that says, "IMPEACH!", with the word X'd out in red, followed by, "GUILLOTINE!!!". On Oct 29, Arlin H. Adams wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] New Clinton Bumper Stickers If his private life doesn't matter, let him date your daughter. The Clinton Creed: Take Credit - Not Responsibility Today kids no longer play doctor, they play President Jail to the Chief My President Slept with Your Honor Student Bill Clinton: Commander in Heat America needs a President Not a Predator Does character matter YET? Adultery is not a family value Al Gore: One heartthrob from the Presidency Clinton: We forgive you. . .Now Resign! Kennedy = Camelot Clinton = Lie-a-lot HONK! If you had sex with the President One More Whore And We Get Gore It's Perjury Stupid [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Leuschner Subject: [Fwd: Washington Deserves Better] Date: 29 Oct 1998 18:15:06 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------18361C3923D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI, the main reason Linda Smith needs to win. It has nothing to do with partisan politics. Regards, Skip. --------------18361C3923D3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mx.seanet.com (dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2]) by mailhub.pacifier.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20720; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from political (i11.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.128.11]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27268; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:00:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005301be0387$22795d80$0300a8c0@political> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lewiston Morning Tribune October 24, 1998 Washington voters gave Clinton a good lapdog By Michael Costello BODY: I have a question for the breathtakingly mediocre Patty Murray. Patty, how will the recently passed "balanced budget" affect the national debt? Patty Murray arrogantly dismissed Linda Smith, her opponent in the November election, for getting the answer to that question right. Linda Smith correctly stated that to "balance the budget" the federal government was actually manipulating the books. To claim a budget surplus, the federal government has had to borrow from Social Security, technically an "off budget" item. In fact, even if all the revenue and spending predictions come true, the national debt will rise. But according to Ms. Murray, her opponent's evaluation is "a confession she doesn't understand the budget process." Patty Murray either sincerely believes that there is a budget surplus or she is just another of those frauds from both parties who have been spreading this nonsense to political gain. It's probably equal parts of both. There is no evidence that, since at least 1992, Patty Murray has formulated an original thought or uttered a word not placed in her mouth by her party's leadership. She merely parrots what she is told by Hillary Clinton or Tom Daschle and doesn't trouble herself with discovering the truth. And even if she did learn the truth on her own, there is no reason to believe that she would Patty Murray's intellect has never been commensurate with her self-estimation. As a school teacher, she undoubtedly dispensed at least her fair share of self-esteem training. According to this school of educational thinking, convincing a student that he or she is smart is the equivalent of actually educating that student. Patty seems to have convinced herself that she knows what she is talking about even though it can be conclusively proven that she doesn't. But according to one Democratic strategist sent to hold Murray's hand during this campaign, "Patty seemed out of her league. She jumped straight from the state Senate to the Senate. Her office wasn't very well organized and no one could tell you what she had accomplished." I remind you, this evaluation was from a consultant on Patty Murray's own campaign staff. Well I can help out here. Just the other day, I was adding up Patty Murray's accomplishments during her nearly six years in the U.S. Senate. I could only come up with one. She has risen from being the dumbest senator to the second dumbest senator. Oregon's election of inimitable Ron Wyden elevated her to second place. Ron Wyden will always be remembered, and deserves to be remembered, as the senator who could not find Bosnia on a globe during a television interview which touched on the topic of U.S. policy in that tortured country. He'll vote to send your sons to die there, wherever it is. The first, last and probably only splash creditable to Washington's dreary junior senator came during the Robert Packwood debate. The Senate was considering whether or not it should subpoena Sen. Packwood's diary. The debate swirled about the propriety and constitutionality of such an endeavor. Was it proper to read anyone's personal diary? Was this a violation of the Constitution's prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure? All that impenetrable talk of law and etiquette sailed far above Patty's head. And so, the "mom in tennis shoes" decided to interject some down-home logic of the common man (woman?) When her turn came, she marched up to the lectern and shouted, "You still don't get it!" In Patty Murray's view, what that august body failed to grasp was that legal protocols, constitutional obligations and good manners matter not a bit when it came down to dropping the hammer on powerful men who prey sexually on subordinate women. She has not yet made this case in defense of Ken Starr's investigation. The irony is probably beyond her. Whatever irony means. The truth is that, other than that one display of mental mediocrity, Patty Murray has done absolutely nothing to distinguish herself as anything but a predictable vote for whatever Bill Clinton wants. She has even shifted with the unquestioning obedience of a well-trained dog, as when Clinton kept changing his mind on welfare reform. When Clinton was against welfare reform, she was against it. When he changed his mind, she was for it. When he vetoed the bill he had just endorsed and she had just voted for, she supported him. Good dogs don't ponder why they should roll over. Good dogs will do just about anything for a pat on the head. Doesn't the state of Washington deserve better? --------------18361C3923D3-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Silver Subject: GunTruths 2nd Amendment Events Page Date: 29 Oct 1998 18:54:17 -0800 Please e-mail me re: any upcoming Second Amendment related activities you are aware of. We are developing the "Muster Call" page on GunTruths.Com. We are interested in including everything from rallies, to shooting events, to gun shows, meetings, etc. Please also check out GunTruths if you haven't done so lately. The URL is: http://www.guntruths.com/ When you get to the first page, push the "I Believe in Self-Defense" button to get to The Resource Center. You can by-pass the first page by going directly to URL: http://www.guntruths.com/GunTruths/guntruthscom_home_page.htm Thank you, Steve Silver Vice President, The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society, Inc. 18034 Ventura Blvd., No. 329, Encino, CA 91316 * (818) 734-3066 For a complimentary copy of the LSAS's newsletter, "The Liberty Pole," e-mail your snail-mail address to: LSAS3@aol.com. The LSAS is a 501(c)(4) California non-profit corporation * * * GET THE TRUTH ABOUT GUNS. VISIT: www.guntruths.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: Re: GunTruths 2nd Amendment Events Page Date: 30 Oct 1998 00:20:35 -0700 Gun Control: The idea that Black people will be safer when only Mark Fuhrman has a gun. At 06:54 PM 10/29/98 -0800, you wrote: >Please e-mail me re: any upcoming Second Amendment related activities >you are aware of. We are developing the "Muster Call" page on >GunTruths.Com. We are interested in including everything from rallies, >to shooting events, to gun shows, meetings, etc. > >Please also check out GunTruths if you haven't done so lately. The URL >is: >http://www.guntruths.com/ > >When you get to the first page, push the "I Believe in Self-Defense" >button to get to The Resource Center. You can by-pass the first page by >going directly to URL: >http://www.guntruths.com/GunTruths/guntruthscom_home_page.htm > >Thank you, >Steve Silver >Vice President, The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society, Inc. >18034 Ventura Blvd., No. 329, Encino, CA 91316 * (818) 734-3066 >For a complimentary copy of the LSAS's newsletter, "The Liberty >Pole," e-mail your snail-mail address to: LSAS3@aol.com. >The LSAS is a 501(c)(4) California non-profit corporation >* * * >GET THE TRUTH ABOUT GUNS. VISIT: www.guntruths.com > > > >- > > S. Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Packing A Gun (fwd) Date: 30 Oct 1998 11:20:16 PST On Oct 29, Y2J wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Published in The Orlando Sentinel, Oct 29 1998 A new book out should dispel any doubts about using firearms for self-defense. It's The Best Defense by Robert A. Waters, and it is published by Cumberland House in Nashville. Waters, who is a former director of adult programs for an association of retarded adults and a former counselor in vocational rehabilitation, interviewed extensively people who were forced to defend their lives with a firearm. The 14 stories are well-told. Some read like a suspense story, and they put the reader into the shoes of people whose normal, peaceful lives suffered the sudden, horrifying shock of a criminal attack. You also will see clearly that neither police nor the courts offer much protection. One story is about the Stanton family in Ohio. A man with a grudge against the world set out on a killing spree. His first three victims included a small child. Then he tried to kill a former supervisor, but the supervisor, though wounded, managed to retrieve a rifle from under his bed, and the killer fled. Doug Stanton's family got a call, informing them that the man, who once, long ago, had stalked Mrs. Stanton, could be on the way. Stanton immediately gathered his four children and wife to flee. He kept them in the kitchen and went outside to make sure it was safe. There was the killer in the driveway, holding a pistol and wearing a bullet-proof vest. Stanton hustled his family back into the kitchen, instructing the children to lie flat. The killer came to back door, fired through it and then kicked it open, spraying bullets into the kitchen. Stanton took careful aim with his .45 automatic and fired. The first shot missed, but the second one struck the killer, and, despite his vest, he staggered backward, fell off the porch and fled. Later, bruised and bleeding beneath the vest, he was arrested by the police. Convicted of four murders, he was sentenced to death. Doug Stanton said it best in an interview after the incident: "People are quick to espouse the virtues of gun restrictions. They say if it saves one life, it will be worth it. Because the Stanton family had a gun, six lives were saved. Had there been restrictions on gun ownership, the Stantons would be dead. This is a fact, not a hypothetical situation." The story of a 100-pound divorcee who had to fight for her life against a 200-pound home invader in broad daylight inside her own home in an upper-middle-income neighborhood will raise the hairs on your neck. He slashed her face with a box cutter, knocked out four teeth and shattered her face so that one eye was knocked out of its socket. The only thing that saved her was a .25-caliber pistol. She managed to pump four bullets into the guy, and he finally bled to death before he could kill her. Her assailant had been arrested 30 times, sent to prison and released three times. So much for the protection of the law. Perhaps the scariest of the stories is that of a family whose members found themselves at the mercy of a serial killer who tied up the husband in the garage and bound the wife to a bed. He alternated between the two, torturing them with a knife. He had bashed the husband in the head and stabbed him in the chest. The assailant -- who, the family would later learn, had already killed 10 people -- worked in the same store that the wife did. The husband, though severely wounded, managed to free himself and shoot the guy with one bullet from an antique rifle. Then he beat the guy with the barrel and the stock, finally killing him. Trust me: This book is an exciting read, and the 14 stories are true. It'll make a believer in the Second Amendment out of any sensible person. - Sent to you by: JVS a/k/a Y2J's Prepardeness & Supply "It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark." "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened." - Sir Winston Churchill "It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it." --Thomas Jefferson to James Lewis, Jr., 1798. "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --George Orwell [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FW: [FP] FW: 18-year-old wins right to vote w/o SocSec Date: 31 Oct 1998 19:37:01 PST Three Cheers! Another Suis Juris Sovereign Citizen is born..... On Oct 31, Grubb, Ken wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] forwarded from GSL Perhaps hope remains. Ken Grubb Miami, FL ******************************************************* > SCAN THIS NEWS > 10/30/98 > > Source: WorldNetDaily > http://www.WorldNetDaily.com/exclusiv/981030_18-year-old_rebels.shtml > > 18-year-old rebels against being numbered > Wins right to vote without Social Security registration > > By David M. Bresnahan > Copyright 1998, WorldNetDaily.com > > LAS VEGAS, NV -- Even though government > agencies tried their best to stop him, an 18-year-old > will vote for the first time in the Nov. 3 election. > > Last July, Joshua Hansen, 18, went to register to vote. > A few days later he received a letter in the mail from > Kathryn Ferguson, registrar of voters of Clark County, > Nevada, rejecting his application. > > Hansen had refused to supply a Social Security > number on his application and Ferguson rejected him > as a voter. > > Hansen says he does not have a Social Security > number, driver's license, or government issued ID > card. He says that he never will. He also refuses to pay > income tax. > > He defends his stands on these issues based on his > study of the U.S. Constitution and his religious beliefs. > He says he is willing to pay any price and will not give > in to government pressure. > > Hansen takes his right to vote seriously. So seriously > that he took Ferguson to court to prove his point. With > the help of his uncle, attorney Joel F. Hansen, he got > the court to order Ferguson to permit him to vote. > > He belongs to the First Christian Fellowship of Eternal > Sovereignty, which he says is a political religion based > on Christianity and the Constitution which people of all > denominations may join. > > "It's a fellowship of anybody who's Christian who > really exercises their Christian beliefs within politics," > explained Hansen in a phone interview with > WorldNetDaily. > > "The Social Security number was much like the mark > of the beast talked about in the "Book of Revelations." > One of the main reasons is that it, I mean you can't buy > or sell without it, it's hard to do a lot of business > without it. Have you ever tried to get a job without > one, or voting or anything? A lot of the stuff talked > about in the prophecy had come to life and I said, 'I > don't want one of those.' > > "Everything around Social Security is a lie. I don't want > any of the benefits from it and I don't want to pay for > it. The system's going bankrupt. Anything I pay for I'll > never see anyway. It's blatantly unlawful and > unconstitutional," explained Hansen. > > Living without a Social Security number is a challenge, > but not a major problem for Hansen. He has no bank > account, works only for family members who will pay > him "under the table," refuses to get a driver's license, > and won't pay taxes. Recently he started his own > Internet consulting business. > > He just finished high school this year and says he has > very few friends who believe as he does. He belongs > to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. > > "Because of my political beliefs," says Hansen, "I have > a lot of trouble getting along at church with a lot of my > fellow members." The members of his church believe in > "The Articles of Faith," a portion of it reads "We > believe in . . . obeying, honoring, and sustaining the > law." > > "They told me that the law said I had to have a > number," explains Hansen. "I said, 'This is kind of > stupid because all these numbers are obtained through > the identification I already have.' When you get a > driver's license or an ID card here, basically you show > them your birth certificate, and to prove residency you > write down on a little paper what your address is and > sign something that says you're not lying, which is all > you do on a voter registration thing." > > Ferguson didn't like Hansen's logic. She rejected his > application to vote. Hansen contacted many elected > officials for help. Some responded and some didn't, > but none were of much help so he decided to take it to > court. > > "The Constitution of Nevada establishes who can > vote," explained Hansen. "If you're an idiot, you're > insane, and if you don't have residency you can't vote. > That's it." > > Hansen filed a Writ of Mandamus in the Clark County > District Court. The purpose was to have the court > order Ferguson to register Hansen so he can vote. > > Nevada law states that the "County Clerk shall require > a person to submit official identification as proof of > residence and identity, such as a driver's license or > other official document before registering him." > > Hansen presented a diploma from high school and a > birth certificate, but Ferguson demanded a Social > Security card, driver's license, or a state ID card. > > Hansen does not have those items and in his petition to > the court his attorney stated, "therefore, he presented > alternative identification to the Registrar of Voters, but > his right to register to vote was refused and denied by > the county registrar of voters." > > Hansen was more surprised than anyone when his > petition was granted by the court. "I didn't think I'd > win," he said. On Oct. 19, the court ordered Ferguson > to register Hansen to vote, and he now plans to cast > his first ballot on Nov. 3. > > This may be just the first of many battles ahead for > Hansen. He does drive a car, and does not plan to get > a license. > > "The government has no right to regulate who can and > cannot drive unless they have proven themselves to be > a danger to the community and have been convicted > by 12 informed jurors," wrote Hansen in an e-mail > message to WorldNetDaily. > > "Assuming that everyone is already a danger and by > telling us we must have a license to drive is known > better as 'prior restraint' and according to the U.S. > Supreme Court is unconstitutional." > > Hansen also objects to the current law which will > implement a national ID card on Oct. 1, 2000. He > says that Congress passed the law using illegal > immigration control as the excuse. > > "The even more ironic twist is that most of the illegal > immigrants coming here are filtering from Mexico trying > to reap the socialist benefits offered by the federal > government. Welfare, government schools, health care, > social security, etc. If you want to stop illegal > immigration bring back the American way of work > hard and succeed as opposed to show up and leech > off the tax payers," wrote Hansen. > > He concluded his e-mail by saying, "There is nothing > they can ever do to make me surrender my personal > freedom, nothing. I don't know a lot of people who > exercise freedom to the point of fanaticism I do. I will > not pay federal income tax, I will not be marked my > their unconstitutional anti-Christ numbers. I will not > take any of their socialist benefits. I will not bow > before any bureaucracy. I will not surrender my > God-given freedom to those bastards for any reason." > > David Bresnahan is a contributing editor of > WorldNetDaily.com, and is the author of "Cover > Up: The Art and Science of Political Deception." > You may e-mail him at David@talkusa.com > > © 1998 Western Journalism Center > ----------------------- > David M. Bresnahan - Investigative Journalist > P.O. 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