From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FCC Public File Auto-FAQ Date: 01 Nov 1998 07:58:50 PST This "FAQ" is auto-posted once a month via cron triggered script, and may be triggered off by hand from time to time in between if the info is requested by someone, such as when the House recently voted down the AW Ban and the Media threw a hissy fit. The purpose of this FAQ is to inform people what they can do about Media generated lies and misinformation. While the FCC only handles Broadcast Media, (TV and Radio), some of these techniques will work for magazines and newspapers too. If I've missed something, or you find errors, let me know and I'll add/fix it. 1.a. Send letters of complaint to the Station Manager every time it happens with all the time, details, other info, and your complaint(s). 1.b. Send an additional copy for their FCC (Federal Communications Commission) Public file. 1.c. Send an additional copy to the FCC itself, in case they don't put it in their Public file. 2.a. Send a letter of complaint to their Station Owner as per above, with copies as per above (1.b and 1.c). 3. Send copies of their replies to you along with yours to them to their FCC Public file, so that it gets nice and fat, again, with copies to the FCC itself. 4. If you can afford it, send all corespondence by Certified Mail with Return Receipt Requested. Send a copy of the Return Receipt with everything that goes to the FCC itself, so that they will have additional evidence if the Station is cheating on their Public File. 5.a. Go to the Public Library and look up "Standard Rate and Data Services" (SRDS) "Directory of National Advertisers." It is found in many major Libraries (in the business/reference stacks), and lists EVERY current advertiser, who the players are at both the company and advertising agency(s), and the appropriate telephone and fax (and probably E-Mail by now) addresses. If your Library doesn't have it, it can be requested. Otherwise you can watch their commercials for a few days to a week, listing all their advertisers. There are other references that have the addresses for the nation's business headquarters too. look them all up and pass the addresses and phone/FAX numbers etc., around so that everyone can bitch to the sponsors. IF enough people do that, it'll get back to the Station. Tell them if the Station continues their nastiness you'll _consider_ changing to brand(X), (otherwise they'll just write you off as a loss). 5.b. The above, (5.a.), can be a lot easier and less time consuming if you're dealing with a newspaper's or a magazine's ads, as they are right in front of you for the listing. 6. If they put on something good or even just more reasonable, call and compliment them on it, but do _not_ send any kudos to their FCC file, or write to them about it. That way they have to keep it up and hope, as there is nothing good in the file or in writing that they can show the FCC to justify their Station's License. 7. Federal Communications Commission, Complaints and Compliance Division Room 6218, 2025 M Street NW Washington, D.C. 20554 FAX: 202-653-9659 FCC Attn: Edythe Wise -- An _EFFECTIVE_ | The _only_important_difference_ between Nazi-ism, Fascism, weapon in every | Communism, Communitarianism, Socialism and (Neo-)Liberalism hand = Freedom | is the _spelling_, and that the last group hasn't got the on every side! | Collective brains to figure it out. -- Bill Vance - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: Bill Clinton reminder (fwd) Date: 02 Nov 1998 00:57:03 PST Most of us probably don't need this reminder, but go ahead and pass it along to those who might..... On Nov 2, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Return-path: Let me share some thoughts with you about the next Tuesday's election. So much what we have heard and read about this election was designed to appeal how you feel rather than what you think. It's been distorted information at best, and often totally false. I'm not going to do that. I want to point out some facts and share some thoughts. I promise to call facts, only what are well documented as true, and to label my opinions as opinions or thoughts. I think the most important issue in this election is not any particular candidate. It's the behavior of the Clinton White House. I urge you to give lots of thought to whether or not you want this administration's behavior to become a precedent for future administrations. Bill Clinton will be impeached. If he survives, then he will set the standard for future presidencies. We have it in our power at this time to prevent that. We can elect senators and representatives who will vote according to the evidence, or we can elect those who will vote according to party lines. I think Bill Clinton has given this country the most dishonest, corrupt administration in history. He has totally corrupted the Democratic Party. I formed this opinion because of the following facts: In 1992 Clinton campaigned on a middle class tax cut. He expressed outrage over Bush giving in to congressional pressure for a tax increase because he said "Read my lips: no new taxes" during the 1988 campaign. As soon as Clinton took office, he gave us an even bigger tax increase. He promised us the most ethical administration in history. Over the past six years, a record number of Clinton cabinet and White House staff members have been convicted, indicted, or resigned after being exposed for criminal and unethical behavior. Upon assuming office, Clinton fired all U. S. attorneys who were not his political allies. This enabled him to suppress prosecutions of people like Craig Livingstone and Ira Magaziner. Livingstone is explained below. Magaziner escaped prosecution for perjury after he lied to Congress about the makeup of illegally secret meetings for Clinton's health care reform package, the proposed government takeover of health care. During the 1996 campaign, Bill Clinton's "director of White House security", Craig Livingstone was caught with a collection of over 900 secret FBI background investigation files about political opponents. Every excuse for this incident turned out to be false. Clinton claimed that it was just a bureaucratic SNAFU and he didn't know who hired Craig Livingstone. Craig Livingstone resigned and was never prosecuted. In my opinion, Livingstone was doing exactly what he was hired to do, Clinton himself hired him, and this incident alone, was sufficient to impeach Bill Clinton. The only reason that Livingstone was never prosecuted is because Clinton prevented it. In fact, during the Nixon administration, Charles Collsen went to jail for possession of just one FBI file (his own). In spite of administration publicity to characterize it a "just a few phone calls", there was massive illegal campaign finance work done at the White House. There is proof in Clinton's own handwriting that he directed the Lincoln Bedroom visits and the White House coffees, both of which are examples of illegal (because they're on government property) fund raising operations. There is substantial evidence that government policy was changed for cash payments. John Haung, a known agent of the People's Republic of China, was granted a top secret security clearance by short-circuiting the FBI background check process. Bill Clinton's reply to this: "I don't believe you can find any evidence of the fact that I changed government policy solely because of a contribution." According to bribery statues, it is not necessary for the policy change to have been solely because of the contribution. It is sufficient to have been partially influenced by the contribution. This is in itself, an impeachable offense. Loral Corporation CEO Bernard Schwartz was under investigation illegal transfer of secret military missile guidance technology to China. After donating over $1,000,000 in campaign contributions, the investigation was canceled and process for approving the technology transfer was moved out of the State Department and placed in the Commerce Department. This sure looks like bribery to me, which is in itself, an impeachable offense. Clinton's defense team has told us repeatedly that sex and sex-lies do not rise to the level of an impeachable offense. I think it's clever to combine sex and sex-lies in the same sentence. But it's as truthful as saying that being drunk and driving drunk are not illegal. There are, in the U. S. A. Today, over 100 people in jail because they were convicted for perjury for lying under oath about inappropriate sex. The "sex-lies do not rise to the level of an impeachable offense" is just another Clinton Lie. The Clinton administration had dismissed abuses of power such as using the FBI and IRS for political purposes as "previous administrations did the same thing." That is another Clinton lie. Richard Nixon was impeached for ATTEMPTING to initiate political IRS audits and interfere with FBI investigations. The only one ever actually audited as a result of Nixon's attempts was Richard Nixon. Clinton has made a standard practice of getting many people and organizations audited for political purposes. This has included Billy Dale, who Clinton fired from the White House Travel office to give his job to Hillary's friends, Paula Jones for suing Bill Clinton, Patricia Mendoza for telling Bill Clinton "You Suck!" instead of shaking his hand, the National Review, The American Spectator, the Christian Coalition, the Freedom Alliance, the Heritage Foundation, the NRA, etc. These are in themselves, impeachable offenses. In my opinion, may people dismiss Clinton abuses as affecting only politicians. Private citizens are not affected. Nothing can be further from the truth. During the Clinton years, there has been a massive increase of private property confiscated by the government without any trial, even though the Constitution says: "No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." And yet, government agencies all over the country have followed administration guidelines to write rules for Non-Judicial Civil Forfeiture. This means taking your property with no trial, often without even charging you with a crime. In my opinion, this one fact presents the greatest threat to you and me. Under laws enacted during the Clinton administration, the government can confiscate your home, your vehicle, and your bank account with unproven evidence that someone (doesn't even have to be you!) sold drugs in you home, transported drugs in your car, or deposited drug profits in your bank account. This is happening all over the country at a rate of over 30,000 people per year! It's going to get worse. Jennet Reno's Department of Justice wants the power to confiscate cash from anybody carrying more then $10,000. In my opinion, Bill Clinton has lied so often about so many things that there is reason to doubt everything he says. He must be impeached and removed from office for the future of this country. Please think about this before you vote. I know many of you are Democrats. Bill Clinton has been no friend to the Democratic Party. But he has corrupted the party so badly, that no candidate supporting the Clinton lies is worthy of your vote. The reasons for removing Clinton for office have nothing to do with political ideology and everything to do with the rule of law in the United States. Go vote! And vote your conscience, not your emotions. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: US Congress members of Socialist party (fwd) Date: 02 Nov 1998 20:29:53 PST On Nov 2, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] A useful voter guide. If you live in a district represented by one of the congressional Socialists listed at the website linked below, you *really* need to get to the polls! Kevin McGehee North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ "When you run out of things to say, it's usually wise to stop talking." -----Original Message----- >Check out the following web site: > >. > >This is the Democratic Socialist Alliance USA web site. This page contains >the names of current members of the US Congress who are quite proud to be >card carrying Socialists. Scary thought. > >It reminds me of the scene in the Wizard of Oz when Toto pulls back the >curtain and you hear the booming voice say "Pay no attention to that man >behind the curtain. I am Oz, the great and powerful wizard." > >Take a guess as to who's really pulling the levers behind the curtain! > >Stephen McGehee [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wbg Subject: Re: Fw: US Congress members of Socialist party (fwd) Date: 03 Nov 1998 09:24:23 -0800 (PST) Bill Vance forwarded to us: > > On Nov 2, Kevin McGehee wrote: > A useful voter guide. If you live in a district represented by one of the > congressional Socialists listed at the website linked below, you *really* > need to get to the polls! > > Kevin McGehee > > >Check out the following web site: > > > >. > > > >This is the Democratic Socialist Alliance USA web site. This page contains > >the names of current members of the US Congress who are quite proud to be > >card carrying Socialists. Scary thought. I think both you and Kevin need to be much, much more careful about how you characterize information. I am as opposed as either of you are to every single one of the disgusting leftist congresscritters on this list, but if you go to the site and look carefully, you will learn that if we characterize these people as card-carrying Socialists, or even as members of the DSA, we are essentially casting ourselves as as big a pack of liars as we already know they are. This sort of thing has the potential to really harm our side's credibility. What the DSA's site has done is link to something called the Progressive Caucus; an org within Congress containing most all of the most leftist members therein. It *is* accurate to characterize these tirebiters as members of the Progressive Caucus - it is *not* accurate to call them members of the DSA, or "Socialists", even though we all know that is exactly what they are. Imagine my shame when I noticed that one of my state's congressthugs, one Peter DeFazio, is on the Exec.Board of the Progressive Caucus. Retch! Please be careful how you fling words around - or we'll put ourselves in the position of being perceived as as big a gang of deceivers as they are. Brewster -- ************************************************************************* " The dirty little secret of liberal politics is that it is not about the poor or 'social justice' but is about the political careers and moral exaltation of liberals themselves. The actual consequences of liberal policies on the poor or others seldom receives anything like the amount of attention given to promoting these policies and demonizing the critics of these politics. Thomas Sowell ************************************************************************* W. Brewster Gillett wbg@hevanet.com Portland, Oregon USA *********************************************************************** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Re: Fw: US Congress members of Socialist party (fwd) Date: 03 Nov 1998 11:37:16 -0700 wbg wrote: [snip, snip] > > I think both you and Kevin need to be much, much more careful about how you > characterize information. I am as opposed as either of you are to every > single one of the disgusting leftist congresscritters on this list, but > if you go to the site and look carefully, you will learn that if we > characterize these people as card-carrying Socialists, or even as members > of the DSA, we are essentially casting ourselves as as big a pack of > liars as we already know they are. This sort of thing has the potential > to really harm our side's credibility. > [snip] > > Please be careful how you fling words around - or we'll put ourselves in > the position of being perceived as as big a gang of deceivers as they are. > > Brewster > -- To add my vote to Brewster's point, I checked out the web site as recommended, and found that I'd been lied to, as Brewster points out. The effect, on me at least, was to identify the sender as a "Carville class" hothead with no credibility - one of those "delete before reading" folks. FWIW. Skip. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Fw: US Congress members of Socialist party (fwd) Date: 03 Nov 1998 12:34:46 PST I made no characterizations whatsoever, I simply passed along the info I received. As to that though, it's the Left itself that does that with respect to the name of whatever rock they're hiding under _this_week_. The only real thing to do when you find them, is to drop the rock hard enough to squish them. On Nov 3, wbg wrote: >Bill Vance forwarded to us: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> On Nov 2, Kevin McGehee wrote: >> A useful voter guide. If you live in a district represented by one of the >> congressional Socialists listed at the website linked below, you *really* >> need to get to the polls! >> >> Kevin McGehee >> >> >Check out the following web site: >> > >> >. >> > >> >This is the Democratic Socialist Alliance USA web site. This page contains >> >the names of current members of the US Congress who are quite proud to be >> >card carrying Socialists. Scary thought. > >I think both you and Kevin need to be much, much more careful about how you >characterize information. I am as opposed as either of you are to every >single one of the disgusting leftist congresscritters on this list, but >if you go to the site and look carefully, you will learn that if we >characterize these people as card-carrying Socialists, or even as members >of the DSA, we are essentially casting ourselves as as big a pack of >liars as we already know they are. This sort of thing has the potential >to really harm our side's credibility. > >What the DSA's site has done is link to something called the Progressive >Caucus; an org within Congress containing most all of the most leftist >members therein. It *is* accurate to characterize these tirebiters >as members of the Progressive Caucus - it is *not* accurate to call them >members of the DSA, or "Socialists", even though we all know that is >exactly what they are. > >Imagine my shame when I noticed that one of my state's congressthugs, >one Peter DeFazio, is on the Exec.Board of the Progressive Caucus. Retch! > >Please be careful how you fling words around - or we'll put ourselves in >the position of being perceived as as big a gang of deceivers as they are. > >Brewster > -- >************************************************************************* > " The dirty little secret of liberal politics is that it is not about > the poor or 'social justice' but is about the political careers and > moral exaltation of liberals themselves. The actual consequences of > liberal policies on the poor or others seldom receives anything like > the amount of attention given to promoting these policies and > demonizing the critics of these politics. > > Thomas Sowell >************************************************************************* >W. Brewster Gillett wbg@hevanet.com Portland, Oregon USA >*********************************************************************** -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Boyd Kneeland Subject: Re: Fw: US Congress members of Socialist party (fwd) Date: 03 Nov 1998 13:04:35 -0800 Skip Leuschner wrote: > wbg wrote: > > [snip, snip] > > > > I think both you and Kevin need to be much, much more careful about how you > > characterize information. I am as opposed as either of you are to every > > single one of the disgusting leftist congresscritters on this list, but > > if you go to the site and look carefully, you will learn that if we > > characterize these people as card-carrying Socialists, or even as members > > of the DSA, we are essentially casting ourselves as as big a pack of > > liars as we already know they are. This sort of thing has the potential > > to really harm our side's credibility. > > > [snip] > > > > Please be careful how you fling words around - or we'll put ourselves in > > the position of being perceived as as big a gang of deceivers as they are. > > > > Brewster > > -- > > To add my vote to Brewster's point, I checked out the web site > as recommended, and found that I'd been lied to, as Brewster > points out. The effect, on me at least, was to identify the > sender as a "Carville class" hothead with no credibility - one > of those "delete before reading" folks. > > FWIW. Skip. We've all got to help each other here, work on "presentation" as they say. I think everyone on roc that I've communicated is on the same side so if we can work on issues like phrasing, sourcing and credibility here it will show results in the "real world". (I'd have to agree with Skip et al on the original post.) Just my .02. Everybody voted today? My polling place (in Washington states 41st Leg. district) was busy at 10am. -Boyd Kneeland - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Re: FCC Proposes Location Tracking for Wireless Phones Date: 03 Nov 1998 20:24:38 -0600 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings From Dixie: Well, it looks as if Gene Taylor (D-MS5) is going back to the HR. He has had no real competition since his election a few years back (this is his 3rd term). The so-called competitors this time around were pretty lame, and had virtually no support from the national level. We had a Libertarian, a Reformer, and a Natural Party candidate. The only televised debate I saw was pretty well a wash out. Oh well, Taylor is pretty pro-gun, and has spoken loudly against the Clintons recently. He tends to vote along party lines about 40% of the time, FWIW. As of 8:22 p.m. CDT, he has 81% of the vote. Looks like a lot of Governors' mansions will be stolen by commies --er, I mean, Democrats. <;^) The reason for this message is that the subject line has already come true. I recently recalled something I read in a computer trade rag (I think) a year or so ago about the Iridium satellite phone system. The article mentioned that users will be able to be located anywhere on the globe. I went to the Iridium web site today, and there it was, in black and white: "Iridium satellites also keep track of the users' telephone location anywhere on the globe...." See the full blurb at http://www.iridium.com/english/tech/call.html (although few details are given). Users concerned about privacy may want to consider alternative communications methods, or keep their Iridium phone/pager switched off most of the time. Looks like the FCC will have an easy time with Iridium users. FYI. Yours in the Struggle, Bob in Mississippi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use Comment: Get public key from iQA/AwUBNj+6xu0M/FuXc0xJEQL1/QCgul9c2rsNrZvqfjBtGEUnHRCSrl8AoJ24 XP1NWhvxBc5+Wehd+/xFZ+Vr =azVs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Too Much Monkey Business (fwd) Date: 03 Nov 1998 23:29:58 PST On Nov 4, Tom Walls wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits. Pass it on. Tom Walls Gainesville, Fla [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Re: Too Much Monkey Business (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 07:26:38 -0500 At least he is out of the Senate! Tom At 11:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >On Nov 4, Tom Walls wrote: > >[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] > >When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits. > >Pass it on. > >Tom Walls >Gainesville, Fla > >[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- >An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- > >- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: An ignorant army of uninformed voters (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 09:25:16 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- www.FreeRepublic.com Topic: White Water DAMN! REESE NAILS IT again! EVEN BEFORE THE ELECTION RESULTS! Orlando Sentinel 11-2-98 Charley Reese An ignorant army of uninformed voters By Charley Reese Published in The Orlando Sentinel, November 3, 1998 Unless they can pass the same test that immigrants must pass to become citizens, people shouldn't be allowed to vote. The idea that there is some public benefit in ignoramuses and morons pulling levers next to names on a ballot is one of the evil myths of post-modern America. The purpose of voting, in our country, is to select men and women with the competence and integrity to operate the mechanics of government fixed by our Constitution. For this process to have any public benefit requires that the choices be made on an intelligent, knowledgeable and reasoned basis. I'm not sure most Americans have faced up to just how corrupt our electoral process has become. I don't mean the obvious buying of votes, having dead people vote or rigging voting machines. It has become standard operating procedure for candidates to lie not only about themselves but about their opponents. If they have the money, candidates even hire people who are professional experts in lies and deceptions. Candidates base campaign positions not on beliefs or convictions but on polling data. This blatant deception has become so accepted as part of the process that television networks think nothing of hiring professional campaign deceivers as campaign commentators. At the same time, politicians, knowing that an ignorant voter is the best defense against accountability, have encouraged universal registration without regard for patriotism, interest or knowledge on the part of voters. These apathetic and ignorant voters, moved only by their self-interest, so outnumber the interested and informed voters that the demagogues always win. As a matter of fact, campaigns are directed at these apathetic and ignorant voters. Thus, the American people are effectively deprived of their right to self-government. Big-money contributors buy the ears of the politicians, and the ignorant army of uninformed voters overwhelms those Americans, either liberal or conservative, who have gone to the trouble of educating themselves about the candidates and the issues. These ignorant voters are the ``barbarians'' that Thomas Macaulay, the British historian, predicted would plunder the United States in the 20th century. ``American democracy must be a failure,'' Macaulay said, ``because it places the supreme authority in the hands of the poorest and most ignorant part of the society.'' Macaulay would have earned an A as a prophet if he could have foreseen that his own country would fall the same way, drowned in the same flood of egalitarianism unleashed by the French Revolution. Today, most politicians sound like social workers. If they are incumbents and feel called upon to defend their records, they talk about what they've done for the people. In the case of federal legislators, what they've done is almost always a list of things that the Constitution forbids them to legislate on. Of course, they neglect to say that all they do -- if anything, because they are great exaggerators -- is done at the expense of the people. But people who demand cash benefits and services from government are content with social-worker politicians. They have the mentality of beggars instead of the once-customary attitude of self-reliance. They are easy to buy off with pittances and promises. I'm not suggesting that some people be barred permanently from voting. I'm merely suggesting that all of us demonstrate some knowledge and some interest in public affairs before we get our voter-registration card. We should think of voting as a privilege of citizenship that is earned. I expect, however, that I will climb Mount Everest before there is any serious political reform in this country. _________________________________________________________________ www.FreeRepublic.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 09:27:43 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- www.FreeRepublic.com Who Dumped Saltpeter in the GOP Fountain ? OWK 11/4/98 One who knows... What happened yesterday..?? What went wrong..?? This isnt a difficult question to answer. Anyone willing to look at the situation with even the slightest hint of objectivity can tell you. The GOP has lost its manhood. This has not always been the case. The greatest successes ever enjoyed by the republican party, have come from the partys willingness to stand firm in the face of opposition. The Contract with America was roundly ridiculed by the press, and by the left. In the face of that ridicule, the GOP stuck to its guns, and enjoyed the greatest single election turnaround in the history of party politics. And then theres Ronald Reagan. He spent his entire political career being ridiculed, lambasted, and undermined by his opposition, and even by those in his own party. He stood against this opposition like a man, and drew well from both parties giving him landslide victory. Like any other human interactions, politics and elections are driven largely by psychological perceptions of the central players on the stage. We have created a two party system, whose power brokers are judged as icons for the party itself. The ability of these icons to project power, reliability, and confidence has as much to do with success or failure, as does policy. The republican party has lost the mid-term elections almost entirely because of its failure to stand and fight on issues of importance. The party leadership chose to capitulate on issue after issue, in an effort to avoid the appearance of controversy. In doing so, the have emasculated the party. I challenge each of you, and I challenge the GOP leadership, to review the product of the 105th congress. Review it, and count the number of times the GOP has stood firm on principle. Try it, you wont need many fingers I can assure you. When the party fails to stand for anything, it projects an image of weakness, and ineptitude. You have all seen it. You have all felt that sickening feeling in your gut. You have seen Trent Lott stare down at the ground, and kick at his shoes, and say, "We felt it was important to work to bring this to closure in a bi-partisan way", and you knew he was surrendering yet again. Well if the GOP wishes to prosper as a party, they need to shed this testosterone free image. They need to develop a real legislative agenda. Not some candy-ass "save Social Security", and "more teachers" garbage. They need to stand for the goals they swore to defend. They need to forward an agenda which is true to the smaller government, lower taxes, freer people, and stronger defense. They need to start now, and they need to stand firm against the opposition. If they do these things, and they show the stones to carry them out, they will win in ways they never imagined. People vote for men who can project power. They cannot bring themselves to vote for habitual cowering capitulators. Stand now and be counted, or be forever marginalized _________________________________________________________________ Posted by: One who knows... (owknows@yahoo.com) * 11/04/98 06:30:45 PST Reply _________________________________________________________________ To: One who knows... Actually, it happened a year ago this time in November when Janet Reno, sandbagged the Thompson committee. She waited until after Thompson declared he would end the hearings before trundling out all the damning information. The bull dyke at justice, effecitively told the republicans that they were not men. From: ckilmer (ckilmer@juniata.dgsys.com) * 11/04/98 06:39:07 PST Reply _________________________________________________________________ To: One who knows... There is a new element in the mix. The Democrats have perfected, with the direction of the LIAR, lying. And they are good at it. After 1994, the Democrats knew their ideas were lost so they turned to bald-face lying which is now perfected. The Contract with America could not have passed in this envoirnment(today) and Reagan would have been hard pressed to be elected - because of the professional liars. It's only going to get worse with the lying and it's only going to get worse for conservative priniples unless the GOP figures out how to combat the obtrusive lying. From: DEADROCK (emailname) * 11/04/98 06:45:38 PST Reply _________________________________________________________________ www.FreeRepublic.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Are We in Trouble? (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 09:28:09 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- www.FreeRepublic.com Topic: White Water Are We in Trouble? Vanity 11/04/98 rw4site This began as a reply for the "How the GOP miscalculated" article, but vanity got the best of me and my controlled response, displayed here, does not even begin to show the anger and despair I am experiencing this morning. Yes, we are in real trouble. Thanks to the control of information disseminated by the liberal media and the criminal enterprise of the liberal, socialist, Democrats. Our losses will not be measured, so much, by the number of lost seats in the U.S. House of Representatives. Our losses will be measured by the lost freedoms that the poor Congressional leadership will allow to occur during the next two years. We can look back at the inroads gained by (the Democrats) the gun control crowd, the abortion rights crowd, the anti Christian crowd and the campaign finance reform crowd. These inroads were gained while Newt and Trent led the Republican controlled Congress with a larger majority than they will now have. It requires 218 votes in the House for a bill to pass if all members are present (they usually are on important issues) and now that number is going to be hard to get, thanks to Moderate Republicans. Coming Attractions * More Gun Control A powerful gun control advocate will be leaving the House and going to the Senate. Schumer will now have six years and much more power to inject his un-Constitutional gun control mandates into law. * Campaign Finance Look for more limitations to be placed on the amount of money that can be raised and spent for conservatives and conservative causes, while Unions and liberals will be allowed unlimited amounts. * A new Fairness Doctrine This will end conservative talk radio. The old one did and you can bet that the new one will be more restrictive. * Unlimited Abortion Laws restricting the right to protest the act of infanticide will be strengthened. The one saving grace may be the Republican control of the state governments, although I feel that even this will be limited because most of those elected are moderate or liberal Republicans. _________________________________________________________________ My comments are above. What are yours? Posted by: rw4site (rw4site@netscape.net) * 11/04/98 06:08:44 PST Reply _________________________________________________________________ To: rw4site I can only agree with you. This is a victory for Immorality in politics. A vote that character does not matter(except for conservaties) . As far as I am concerned there is no longer a republican party. The republicans in Congress are a bunch of umprincipled,spineless,whimps who shake in their boots at the thought of upseting the pevert From: tsali1927 (tsali1927@yahoo.com) * 11/04/98 06:19:22 PST Reply _________________________________________________________________ To: rw4site From Nov/Dec issue of The American Rifleman..."Schumer has already promised that gun control will be one of his top two priorities if elected." Gee...what a surprise THAT is!!! I warned everyone via this website and others. Can anyone spell P...V...C..???? From: donozark (dclax@dialnet.net) * 11/04/98 06:28:21 PST Reply _________________________________________________________________ No, burying your gun and ammo is symbolic to burying you freedom!! From: rw4site (rw4site@netscape.net) * 11/04/98 06:33:52 PST Reply _________________________________________________________________ To: rw4site My God, my God, why have you forsaken us? I can barely hold my head up this a.m. What went wrong? Are we that bad? From: meandog () * 11/04/98 06:36:05 PST Reply _________________________________________________________________ To: rw4site Dear Fellow Conservatives, Ameirca is the last hold out against Socialism. The goal of all informed liberals is Global Socialism. They are willing to fight and fight hard to win over Americans because we are the worlds leader with huge redistributable resources. We are involved in a serious war. We have only a few more elections before changing the course of our nation will be nearly impossible. Don't give up. Don't stop pushing. But, realize that this is not a game. You're involved in a very serious battle for the control of, and the future of America. Now, we must work on local elections to stop the advancement, and place our people in power. DECLARE WAR AGAINST THE LEFT! From: tracey12 (tracey12@swbell.net) * 11/04/98 06:43:48 PST Reply _________________________________________________________________ To: rw4site Yeah. Here in the Peoples' Republic of California, we wisely returned Boxer to the Senate AND elected Gray Davis Governor. With a Dem Assembly, he will have carte blanche to gerrymander the districts and ensure a leftist lock on the legislature for years to come. What's more, we elected a leftist to Attorney General, so all the pieces are in place for a massive assault on the Second Amendment here at the state level. Excuse me, gotta go buy some more ammo. --Boris From: Boris (jfglass@mindspring.com) * 11/04/98 06:46:28 PST Reply _________________________________________________________________ www.FreeRepublic.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: FCC Proposes Location Tracking for Wireless Phones Date: 04 Nov 1998 10:46:06 -0500 (EST) > >"Iridium satellites also keep track of the users' telephone location > anywhere on the globe...." > Yup, that has been in the works for sometime. Ordinary cell phones also track their rough position within the radio cell (cell sizes vary according to location and reception position - smaller in cities, larger in areas with flat terrain and good antenna locations). This information is sufficient to get a reasonably accurate notion of the phone's position. Digital cell phone encryption uses an extremely weak method that is breakable without any knowledge of keys, etc. using a modest amount of cipher knowledge and a PC. See sci.crypt news group for a discussion of digital cell-phone encryption. Cell phones are pretty much equivalent to open radios - traffic analysis, signal interception, and location of transmitter are more-or-less trivial matters for anyone with sufficient resources deployed. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: An ignorant army of uninformed voters (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 09:14:27 -0800 On Wednesday, November 04, 1998 7:25 AM, Paul M Watson [SMTP:pwatson@utdallas.edu] wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:54:03 -0600 (CST) > www.FreeRepublic.com > > Topic: White Water > > DAMN! REESE NAILS IT again! EVEN BEFORE THE ELECTION RESULTS! And yet if I had simiply suggested denying the vote to all those on welfare....you would have been highly offended....but certainly it is a logical impossibility for a democracy ....or any other form of government to exist .....when the welfare slime can vote themselves more benefits without ever having to ponder the trauma of actually paying more taxes themselves. So, it is not so much a matter of being stupid....tho all people on welfare on utterly stupid....but simply that they are entitled and not responsible for their own actions. Jack > Orlando Sentinel > 11-2-98 Charley Reese > > An ignorant army of uninformed voters > > By Charley Reese > > Published in The Orlando Sentinel, November 3, 1998 > > Unless they can pass the same test that immigrants must pass to become > citizens, people shouldn't be allowed to vote. > > The idea that there is some public benefit in ignoramuses and morons > pulling levers next to names on a ballot is one of the evil myths of > post-modern America. > > The purpose of voting, in our country, is to select men and women with > the competence and integrity to operate the mechanics of government > fixed by our Constitution. For this process to have any public benefit > requires that the choices be made on an intelligent, knowledgeable and > reasoned basis. > > I'm not sure most Americans have faced up to just how corrupt our > electoral process has become. I don't mean the obvious buying of > votes, having dead people vote or rigging voting machines. > > It has become standard operating procedure for candidates to lie not > only about themselves but about their opponents. If they have the > money, candidates even hire people who are professional experts in > lies and deceptions. Candidates base campaign positions not on beliefs > or convictions but on polling data. This blatant deception has become > so accepted as part of the process that television networks think > nothing of hiring professional campaign deceivers as campaign > commentators. > > At the same time, politicians, knowing that an ignorant voter is the > best defense against accountability, have encouraged universal > registration without regard for patriotism, interest or knowledge on > the part of voters. These apathetic and ignorant voters, moved only by > their self-interest, so outnumber the interested and informed voters > that the demagogues always win. As a matter of fact, campaigns are > directed at these apathetic and ignorant voters. > > Thus, the American people are effectively deprived of their right to > self-government. Big-money contributors buy the ears of the > politicians, and the ignorant army of uninformed voters overwhelms > those Americans, either liberal or conservative, who have gone to the > trouble of educating themselves about the candidates and the issues. > > These ignorant voters are the ``barbarians'' that Thomas Macaulay, the > British historian, predicted would plunder the United States in the > 20th century. ``American democracy must be a failure,'' Macaulay said, > ``because it places the supreme authority in the hands of the poorest > and most ignorant part of the society.'' > > Macaulay would have earned an A as a prophet if he could have foreseen > that his own country would fall the same way, drowned in the same > flood of egalitarianism unleashed by the French Revolution. > > Today, most politicians sound like social workers. If they are > incumbents and feel called upon to defend their records, they talk > about what they've done for the people. In the case of federal > legislators, what they've done is almost always a list of things that > the Constitution forbids them to legislate on. Of course, they neglect > to say that all they do -- if anything, because they are great > exaggerators -- is done at the expense of the people. But people who > demand cash benefits and services from government are content with > social-worker politicians. They have the mentality of beggars instead > of the once-customary attitude of self-reliance. They are easy to buy > off with pittances and promises. > > I'm not suggesting that some people be barred permanently from voting. > I'm merely suggesting that all of us demonstrate some knowledge and > some interest in public affairs before we get our voter-registration > card. We should think of voting as a privilege of citizenship that is > earned. I expect, however, that I will climb Mount Everest before > there is any serious political reform in this country. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > www.FreeRepublic.com > > > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: RE: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 09:22:08 -0800 On Wednesday, November 04, 1998 7:28 AM, Paul M Watson [SMTP:pwatson@utdallas.edu] wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > www.FreeRepublic.com > > Who Dumped Saltpeter in the GOP Fountain ? > > OWK > 11/4/98 One who knows... > > What happened yesterday..?? What went wrong..?? This isnt a difficult > question to answer. Anyone willing to look at the situation with even > the slightest hint of objectivity can tell you. The GOP has lost its > manhood. > > > This has not always been the case. The greatest successes ever enjoyed > by the republican party, have come from the partys willingness to > stand firm in the face of opposition. The Contract with America was > roundly ridiculed by the press, and by the left. In the face of that > ridicule, the GOP stuck to its guns, and enjoyed the greatest single > election turnaround in the history of party politics. And then theres > Ronald Reagan. He spent his entire political career being ridiculed, > lambasted, and undermined by his opposition, and even by those in his > own party. He stood against this opposition like a man, and drew well > from both parties giving him landslide victory. I think this is pretty silly. The accursed GOP has stood on principle on virtually every vote: Unfortunately the principle has been to totally screw the white US citizen with respect to doing every possible for the third world alien filth / the principle has always been to be a traitor and do everthing to screw the US .....just as the hard working traitors the Republicans have become by destroying the US while building up and financing every possible international organization: UN / IMF / NATO / WORLD BANK / WTO. The have been devoted to the priciple of destroying our education system by maintaing the accursed department of educaition and the ultimate in FILTH ...the concept that all will be taught the same.....the disgusting leaning disabled which are forced into mainstream class rooms so none can learn / the brain dead third world trash ....as well as the few remaining Whites and Asians that pay all the taxes and support all these parasites....they are all going to be taught NOTHING so they can be taught the same. And not only that they gave up on their contract with America as soon as they got power and started to implement a socialist police state as directed by the ultimate socialist filth: NEWT > > Like any other human interactions, politics and elections are driven > largely by psychological perceptions of the central players on the > stage. We have created a two party system, whose power brokers are > judged as icons for the party itself. The ability of these icons to > project power, reliability, and confidence has as much to do with > success or failure, as does policy. The republican party has lost the > mid-term elections almost entirely because of its failure to stand and > fight on issues of importance. The party leadership chose to > capitulate on issue after issue, in an effort to avoid the appearance > of controversy. In doing so, the have emasculated the party. > > I challenge each of you, and I challenge the GOP leadership, to review > the product of the 105th congress. Review it, and count the number of > times the GOP has stood firm on principle. Try it, you wont need many > fingers I can assure you. When the party fails to stand for anything, > it projects an image of weakness, and ineptitude. You have all seen > it. You have all felt that sickening feeling in your gut. You have > seen Trent Lott stare down at the ground, and kick at his shoes, and > say, "We felt it was important to work to bring this to closure in a > bi-partisan way", and you knew he was surrendering yet again. > > Well if the GOP wishes to prosper as a party, they need to shed this > testosterone free image. They need to develop a real legislative > agenda. Not some candy-ass "save Social Security", and "more teachers" > garbage. They need to stand for the goals they swore to defend. They > need to forward an agenda which is true to the smaller government, > lower taxes, freer people, and stronger defense. They need to start > now, and they need to stand firm against the opposition. > > If they do these things, and they show the stones to carry them out, > they will win in ways they never imagined. People vote for men who can > project power. They cannot bring themselves to vote for habitual > cowering capitulators. Stand now and be counted, or be forever > marginalized > _________________________________________________________________ > > Posted by: One who knows... (owknows@yahoo.com) * > 11/04/98 06:30:45 PST Reply > _________________________________________________________________ > > To: One who knows... > Actually, it happened a year ago this time in November when Janet > Reno, sandbagged the Thompson committee. She waited until after > Thompson declared he would end the hearings before trundling out all > the damning information. The bull dyke at justice, effecitively told > the republicans that they were not men. > From: ckilmer (ckilmer@juniata.dgsys.com) * > 11/04/98 06:39:07 PST Reply > _________________________________________________________________ > > > To: One who knows... > There is a new element in the mix. The Democrats have perfected, with > the direction of the LIAR, lying. And they are good at it. After 1994, > the Democrats knew their ideas were lost so they turned to bald-face > lying which is now perfected. The Contract with America could not have > passed in this envoirnment(today) and Reagan would have been hard > pressed to be elected - because of the professional liars. > > It's only going to get worse with the lying and it's only going to get > worse for conservative priniples unless the GOP figures out how to > combat the obtrusive lying. > From: DEADROCK (emailname) * > 11/04/98 06:45:38 PST Reply > _________________________________________________________________ > > www.FreeRepublic.com > > > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: FCC Proposes Location Tracking for Wireless Phones Date: 04 Nov 1998 09:53:06 -0800 washington.general had a long thread in the early 90's about a DOT study that used cell data to analyze commute flows. It wasn't tracking individuals (in the analysis), there was debate about the accuracy of the data gathered and a lot of controversy on line about the privacy implications (saying to me that this isn't something big brother would have ease of use in). But as John says it certainly isnt anything new. Boyd John Curtis wrote: > > > > >"Iridium satellites also keep track of the users' telephone location > > anywhere on the globe...." > > > > Yup, that has been in the works for sometime. > > Ordinary cell phones also track their rough position > within the radio cell (cell sizes vary according to > location and reception position - smaller in cities, > larger in areas with flat terrain and good antenna > locations). This information is sufficient to > get a reasonably accurate notion of the phone's > position. > > Digital cell phone encryption uses an extremely > weak method that is breakable without any knowledge > of keys, etc. using a modest amount of cipher knowledge > and a PC. > > See sci.crypt news group for a discussion of > digital cell-phone encryption. > > Cell phones are pretty much equivalent to open radios - > traffic analysis, signal interception, and location of > transmitter are more-or-less trivial matters for anyone > with sufficient resources deployed. > > > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Are We in Trouble? (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 09:58:28 -0800 Lets not all fall so deep into sorrow here that we forget to do our civil duties. I'm not saying I think Paul would do that (I dont) but reading his words some will shrug their shoulders, throw up their hands and retreat to the workshop. Forget that noise! Complacency got us low turn out, complacency of thought got (the ignorant and therefore IMHO deserving voters of his district) Chuckie into office, but make no mistake further complacency can make everything -much-worse-. None of us are going to give up, none of us -can- give up. Use the political process as your outwordly courteous and civil -vent- of frustration. And more importantly get more of your friends to do the same thing. My .02 -Boyd Kneeland Paul M Watson wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:54:39 -0600 (CST) > www.FreeRepublic.com > > Topic: White Water > > Are We in Trouble? > > Vanity > 11/04/98 rw4site > > This began as a reply for the "How the GOP miscalculated" article, but > vanity got the best of me and my controlled response, displayed here, > does not even begin to show the anger and despair I am experiencing > this morning. > > Yes, we are in real trouble. Thanks to the control of information > disseminated by the liberal media and the criminal enterprise of the > liberal, socialist, Democrats. > > Our losses will not be measured, so much, by the number of lost seats > in the U.S. House of Representatives. Our losses will be measured by > the lost freedoms that the poor Congressional leadership will allow to > occur during the next two years. We can look back at the inroads > gained by (the Democrats) the gun control crowd, the abortion rights > crowd, the anti Christian crowd and the campaign finance reform crowd. > These inroads were gained while Newt and Trent led the Republican > controlled Congress with a larger majority than they will now have. It > requires 218 votes in the House for a bill to pass if all members are > present (they usually are on important issues) and now that number is > going to be hard to get, thanks to Moderate Republicans. > > Coming Attractions > > * More Gun Control > A powerful gun control advocate will be leaving the House and > going to the Senate. Schumer will now have six years and much more > power to inject his un-Constitutional gun control mandates into > law. > * Campaign Finance > Look for more limitations to be placed on the amount of money that > can be raised and spent for conservatives and conservative causes, > while Unions and liberals will be allowed unlimited amounts. > * A new Fairness Doctrine > This will end conservative talk radio. The old one did and you can > bet that the new one will be more restrictive. > * Unlimited Abortion > Laws restricting the right to protest the act of infanticide will > be strengthened. > > The one saving grace may be the Republican control of the state > governments, although I feel that even this will be limited because > most of those elected are moderate or liberal Republicans. > _________________________________________________________________ > > My comments are above. What are yours? > Posted by: rw4site (rw4site@netscape.net) * > 11/04/98 06:08:44 PST Reply > _________________________________________________________________ > > > To: rw4site > I can only agree with you. This is a victory for Immorality in > politics. A vote that character does not matter(except for > conservaties) . As far as I am concerned there is no longer a > republican party. The republicans in Congress are a bunch of > umprincipled,spineless,whimps who shake in their boots at the thought > of upseting the pevert > From: tsali1927 (tsali1927@yahoo.com) * > 11/04/98 06:19:22 PST Reply > _________________________________________________________________ > > To: rw4site > From Nov/Dec issue of The American Rifleman..."Schumer has already > promised that gun control will be one of his top two priorities if > elected." Gee...what a surprise THAT is!!! I warned everyone via this > website and others. Can anyone spell P...V...C..???? > From: donozark (dclax@dialnet.net) * > 11/04/98 06:28:21 PST Reply > _________________________________________________________________ > > No, burying your gun and ammo is symbolic to burying you freedom!! > From: rw4site (rw4site@netscape.net) * > 11/04/98 06:33:52 PST Reply > _________________________________________________________________ > > To: rw4site > My God, my God, why have you forsaken us? I can barely hold my head up > this a.m. What went wrong? Are we that bad? > From: meandog () * > 11/04/98 06:36:05 PST Reply > _________________________________________________________________ > > To: rw4site > Dear Fellow Conservatives, Ameirca is the last hold out against > Socialism. The goal of all informed liberals is Global Socialism. They > are willing to fight and fight hard to win over Americans because we > are the worlds leader with huge redistributable resources. > > We are involved in a serious war. We have only a few more elections > before changing the course of our nation will be nearly impossible. > > Don't give up. Don't stop pushing. But, realize that this is not a > game. You're involved in a very serious battle for the control of, and > the future of America. > > Now, we must work on local elections to stop the advancement, and > place our people in power. > > DECLARE WAR AGAINST THE LEFT! > From: tracey12 (tracey12@swbell.net) * > 11/04/98 06:43:48 PST Reply > _________________________________________________________________ > > To: rw4site > Yeah. Here in the Peoples' Republic of California, we wisely returned > Boxer to the Senate AND elected Gray Davis Governor. > > With a Dem Assembly, he will have carte blanche to gerrymander the > districts and ensure a leftist lock on the legislature for years to > come. > > What's more, we elected a leftist to Attorney General, so all the > pieces are in place for a massive assault on the Second Amendment here > at the state level. > > Excuse me, gotta go buy some more ammo. > > --Boris > From: Boris (jfglass@mindspring.com) * > 11/04/98 06:46:28 PST Reply > _________________________________________________________________ > > www.FreeRepublic.com > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 13:19:58 -0500 (EST) Jack@minerva.com wrote: >I think this is pretty silly. The accursed GOP has stood on principle on >virtually every vote: Unfortunately the principle has been to totally screw >the white US citizen with respect to doing every possible for the third world >alien filth / the principle has always been to be a traitor and do everthing >to screw the US .....just as the hard working traitors the Republicans have become Wait a minute here. "white US citizen" and "third world alien filth"? I think that you are letting a little too much of your mental interior leak out and its not pretty. What about black, hispanic, etc. U.S. citizens? I thought this group was Restore Our Constitution, not Rant and Rave about Alien Filth. If you don't like the WTO or the IMF or the UN that is one thing, but slamming the learning disabled as being brain dead is really reprehensible. I don't know if you've noticed, but the U.S. Constitution doesn't have a word to say about any racial group. Some of the people from the third world are struggling mightily to arrive here and prosper because this country still has a reputation for a free market system that works and a legal system that struggles to allow any race have a shot at succeeding. >by destroying the US while building up and financing every possible international >organization: UN / IMF / NATO / WORLD BANK / WTO. The have been devoted to the >priciple of destroying our education system by maintaing the accursed department >of educaition and the ultimate in FILTH ...the concept that all will be taught >the same.....the disgusting leaning disabled which are forced into mainstream >class rooms so none can learn / the brain dead third world trash ....as well >as the few remaining Whites and Asians that pay all the taxes and support all >these parasites....they are all going to be taught NOTHING so they can be taught >the same. > "brain dead third world trash"? "all these parasites"? I think you need to get a check up from the neck up. You've suddenly started spewing racist trash all over this mailing list. ciao, jcurtis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 12:25:40 -0700 > > www.FreeRepublic.com > > > > Who Dumped Saltpeter in the GOP Fountain ? > > Seems pretty simple to me in retrospect. Newt/Lott's "clever and sophisticated" tactical (vs principled) leadership assumed that this election would be a national referendum on Clinton. It might have been that if Newt/Lott were better politicians, but they assumed Clinton and the Democrats would take it lying down. They didn't. Being far better and less scrupulous than themselves, the Democrats bombarded the public with half-truths and lies and turned the election into a well-deserved referendum on Newt and his leadership. Most pundits said the Dems were going to run against Newt, but the Republicans among them said it didn't work in 96 and it wouldn't work in 98 either. They were wrong. When the voters were bombarded with all the lies that the Dems could dream up (whether plausible or not), it worked beautifully - a real idictment of the intelligence of the American electorate. Deserved or not, Newt has become more hazardous to the Repub party's future than Bill Clinton is to the Dem party's, all because Newt lacks the Clinton charm, charisma and teflon coating. It is far more urgent to the conservative cause in 2000 that Newt step down. Clinton won't be around to run against. If Newt is, the Repubs lose big time. Now what's the chances that Newt will step down? About the same as the chances Clinton will resign. Zip. Nada. Both are power-hungry and self-serving. So it's gonna take a grassroots "dump Newt" movement, and while we're at it, all of his familiar lieutenants. No one would be fooled by Newt stepping down and Armey or DeLay taking over. Newt would still be seen as the puppeteer. And also while we're at it, spineless Trent Lott needs to go, and Mitch McConnell too for sacrificing Linda Smith because she had the gaul to support campaign finance reform. Skip. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 15:25:16 -0500 (EST) >> > >> > Who Dumped Saltpeter in the GOP Fountain ? >> > > >Seems pretty simple to me in retrospect. > >Newt/Lott's "clever and sophisticated" tactical (vs principled) >leadership assumed that this election would be a national referendum >on Clinton. > Another take on this is that the polls were right, or the "people" were/are dumb enough to belive that it is "about time that we put these scandals behind us and got on with the people's business". The people's business being: "fix" Social Security and educate the children. Never mind that the Feds don't contribute squat to educating children. Never mind that ordinary middle-class Americans (like me) are paying 50% marginal tax rates. I think that the good times are rolling on, people want them to continue to roll on, and the same thing that is driving the stock market is driving the electorate. "things are good, don't rock the boat" "its just about sex" "the stock market is always going to go up" Here's a quote from a popular stock market analysis site: "Remember when the S&P was at 920 and everything we saw looked bad?" Altman said. "Well, now we have the opposite effect. People look around and want to buy everything. A 25% market rally in two weeks is insane. This is not a healthy environment. These markets are no longer driven by reality -- they're driven by supply and demand. The market will ultimately be okay but we're way overdone, we've gotten the riff-raff out." My bottom line: people don't care that Clinton has no morals, they don't care that the stock market is right back up to being suspended on air, they don't care that the media is blatently liberally biased. All they care about is: Let the good times roll. ciao, jcurtis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 15:33:06 -0700 John Curtis wrote: > My bottom line: people don't care that Clinton has no > morals, they don't care that the stock market is right back > up to being suspended on air, they don't care that the > media is blatently liberally biased. > > All they care about is: Let the good times roll. > > ciao, > > jcurtis Point well taken. Why should congress care about principles when the people don't? They are supposed to be a reflection of us, and too few ask or care where it leads us as a nation or society. However, it's just as tough to forgive conservative leadership for their ineptness and opportunities missed since 1994 as is is to forgive Clinton for the unforgivable. skip. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 17:09:49 -0500 (EST) > >However, it's just as tough to forgive conservative leadership >for their ineptness and opportunities missed since 1994 as is >is to forgive Clinton for the unforgivable. > >skip. > I agree. I'm very disapointed in the whole conservative leadership, they are basically self-destructing, they can't articulate the very solid and intellectually impeccable arguments for less government, lower taxes, less government generated dependency, etc. I'd just like to see a top Federal tax bracket like we had under Reagan - 28%. Its a compromise, it isn't perfect, but its a lot better than what we've got. ciao, jcurtis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 14:52:09 -0800 At 13:19 11/04/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Jack@minerva.com wrote: > >>I think this is pretty silly. The accursed GOP has stood on principle on >>virtually every vote: Unfortunately the principle has been to totally screw >>the white US citizen with respect to doing every possible for the third world >>alien filth / the principle has always been to be a traitor and do everthing >>to screw the US .....just as the hard working traitors the Republicans have become > Wait a minute here. "white US citizen" and > "third world alien filth"? > > I think that you are letting a little too much of your > mental interior leak out and its not pretty. > > What about black, hispanic, etc. U.S. citizens? > > I thought this group was Restore Our Constitution, not > Rant and Rave about Alien Filth. And where in the constitution does is say that White Tax payers have to be punished every time another bit of third world trash gets into the country. Since all that happens is that our taxes for ever go up and the third world trash gets all the benefits.... or can you think of a single benefit in exchange for being punished with higher taxes so all this alien filth can have all the children they want and everyone but the parents has to pay for them? Can you think of a single benefit to the tax payers of having to endure the insult of always having less spent per student for White and Asian students with smaller libraries / no drama / no art / no gymnastics / ETC while much more is spent per student on the alien parasites since they are simply too supid to try to educate in the first place ......and thus need all this expensive counseling / bilingual education /ECT. If we are going to have all this accursed equality the place to start is with school spending and if third world trash can not learn when given the same spending per student as intelligent Whites and Asians....just tell them the truth: They can study several extra hours a day or be total failures....and no one really cares one way or the other. Just where in the constitution is the authority to tax citizens to give benefits to a lot of foreign invaders? I thought the principle goal of prop 187 was to firmly state that Aliens were to have no benefits at all...and the Republicans instead of impeaching the accursed Supreme court judges who thought Aliens were entitled to everything a Citizen is had / are having this love affair with Latinos and all Whites and Asians get is ever higher taxes. But where in the constitution does it say that Citizens have to be punished by being taxed to provide an education for the children of illegal aliens.....one would think if they are here illegally the only right they should have is deportation ...and even that hopefully at their expense One would think the one right the constitution would protect would be to spend the money you earn without having it all taxed away / stolen to allow all this third world trash to exist. Where in the constitution is the authority to tax / destroy productive people so lazy / stupid / entitled filth can collect welfare. You sound much more like what you want to protect is the communist manifesto instead of the US constitution. Here all along I thought the US constitution was about freedom and not being forced into slavery as half your income is taxed away so all this minority filth can be entitled.....just like the English Nobility was entitled at the time of the first revolution And as long as they are so unproductive that they can not exist without welfare / medical services / education for their uneducatable brats paid for by others why should they exist at all > If you don't like the WTO or the IMF or the UN that is one > thing, but slamming the learning disabled as being brain dead > is really reprehensible. Why? It is a competitive world and if they can not be taught and heaven knows there is no evidence that any of them are ever taught anything then why do they rest of us have to earn far above a world competitive wage so vast amounts can be taxed away to be wasted on trying to teach the learning disabled. For the most part one might as well take stacks of hundred dollar bills and burn them and get just as much value as trying to teach the mentally retarded anything....and furthermore even if they can be taught at infinite expense it makes no difference if the amount of tax revenue they will return over their lifetimes is much less than what it cost to educate them. Would you advocate that people spend 100K with some education scam that promises good high paying jobs when all is said and done the total expected increase in lifetime earnings will be at best 20K....and if not how can you possibly defend this nonsense of spending 5K a year on intelligent kids and 25K a year on mentally defective trash. I am sorry you are so divorced from reality that you find the term trash so offensive....but since I only it use for people who are complete liabilities to all those around them why do you find it so offensive. If people are so incompetent / non-functional that they can only exist by stealing what others produce / earn.....why is not trash a perfectly good term. No one can look at people existing on welfare as assets. > > I don't know if you've noticed, but the U.S. Constitution doesn't > have a word to say about any racial group. Some of the people from > the third world are struggling mightily to arrive here and > prosper because this country still has a reputation for a > free market system that works and a legal system that struggles to > allow any race have a shot at succeeding. How anyone can talk about a free market system in a country that supports affirmative action is beyond me. If there was a free market economy each and every employer could give any type of test he wanted to find the best possible employees instead of having to always take the worst possible / most unqualified employees because they are third world trash or get fined out of existence. Just how does affirmative action bear any relationship to a free market system. In case you had NOT noticed this third world trash is very close to utterly destroying California. When they released the test scores for the same tests given all across California the average grade in LA county for reading was at the 32nd percentile and for math at the 26th percentile. And this was when all the high scores for the Whites and Asians had been put in the mix. So, all this stupid third world trash had achieved something something truly remarkable: Their test scores were so HORRIBLE that they managed to pull the entire average down to the 32nd percentile. In a competitive world one imagines that to get a job one needs to be at least at the 60th percentile and yet judging by school grades over half of LA county is so dumb they will have to be on welfare all their lives. But if over half of a group of people turning from brats to adults is so incompetent that only welfare will allow them to exist.....WHO IS LEFT TO BE TAXED TO SUPPORT ALL THIS ACCURSED WELFARE CONSUMING TRASH And we also have to remember that thanks to all this third world trash 25 percent of Los Angeles County is on Welfare....that is one in four. A couple of weeks ago the LA TIMES published an interview with lots of various firms that showed that one sixth of all employers in California were thinking of moving to other states due to the utter impossiblity of finding skilled workers....but how would anyone.....except perhaps for brain dead liberals ever expect to find skilled workers when over half the students have reading and math scores below the 32nd percentile. Another example of Gresham's law: THE BAD ALWAYS DRIVES OUT THE GOOD Why not wake up and smell the coffee and notice the horrible damage this third world trash is doing to this country with their never ending production of children that everyone but the parents has to support as well as the total destruction of the once marvelous California schools by filling them full of people who have IQs so low they do not even compete well with our cats and dogs > >>by destroying the US while building up and financing every possible international >>organization: UN / IMF / NATO / WORLD BANK / WTO. The have been devoted to the >>priciple of destroying our education system by maintaing the accursed department >>of educaition and the ultimate in FILTH ...the concept that all will be taught >>the same.....the disgusting leaning disabled which are forced into mainstream >>class rooms so none can learn / the brain dead third world trash ....as well >>as the few remaining Whites and Asians that pay all the taxes and support all >>these parasites....they are all going to be taught NOTHING so they can be taught >>the same. >> > > "brain dead third world trash"? > > "all these parasites"? > > I think you need to get a check up from the neck up. > > You've suddenly started spewing racist trash all over this > mailing list. > > ciao, > > jcurtis > > > > >- > > Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 -----------------| 1175 N Altadena Dr | -------------- Jack@Minerva.Com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Too Much Monkey Business (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 14:04:55 PST Not to mention an out of this world, "space case". Up here in Washatonia, they're calling it, "The Metamucil(sp?) Mission". Shades of Donovan's, "Intergalactic Laxative". If sh*ting is your problem, way out there in the stars, the Intergalactic Laxative will getcha from here to Mars!.....:-) On Nov 04, Tom Cloyes wrote: >At least he is out of the Senate! >Tom > >At 11:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >>On Nov 4, Tom Walls wrote: >> >>[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >> >>When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits. >> >>Pass it on. >> >>Tom Walls >>Gainesville, Fla >> >>[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 15:36:11 PST On Nov 04, Skip Leuschner wrote: >John Curtis wrote: > >> My bottom line: people don't care that Clinton has no >> morals, they don't care that the stock market is right back >> up to being suspended on air, they don't care that the >> media is blatently liberally biased. >> >> All they care about is: Let the good times roll. >> >> ciao, >> >> jcurtis > >Point well taken. Why should congress care about principles >when the people don't? They are supposed to be a reflection >of us, and too few ask or care where it leads us as a nation >or society. > >However, it's just as tough to forgive conservative leadership >for their ineptness and opportunities missed since 1994 as is >is to forgive Clinton for the unforgivable. > >skip. No, they aren't supposed to be a reflection of us, they're supposed to be the cream of the crop, i.e., the best of us. Obviously, in most cases, they aren't. -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: Re: Too Much Monkey Business (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 17:59:05 -0700 Yeah, when he was in the Senate, HE wore the ape suit. At 07:26 AM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >At least he is out of the Senate! >Tom > >At 11:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >>On Nov 4, Tom Walls wrote: >> >>[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >> >>When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits. >> >>Pass it on. >> >>Tom Walls >>Gainesville, Fla >> >>[------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] >> >>-- >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** >>----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- >>An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no >>weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his >>hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a >>on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ >>----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- >> >>- >> > >- > > S. Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 18:01:43 -0700 At 09:27 AM 11/4/98 -0600, you wrote: >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > www.FreeRepublic.com > > Who Dumped Saltpeter in the GOP Fountain ? > > OWK > 11/4/98 One who knows... > > What happened yesterday..?? What went wrong..?? This isnt a difficult > question to answer. Anyone willing to look at the situation with even > the slightest hint of objectivity can tell you. The GOP has lost its > manhood. The GOP has been clammoring to be more and more "moderate" and abandoning conservatives for years. (Try listing the world's great moderates.) This is just the beginning of what they will get for it. Bets on the Party Line being that they need to get FURTHER away from conservatives? > S. Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lew Glendenning" Subject: RE: Are We in Trouble? (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 21:04:49 -0800 When are you folks going to learn that depending on the "least of two evils" is a losing strategy. Lots of you wasted your vote this time. I sent a clear message with every vote: Libertarian. I voted against every increase in government power, against every dollar in taxes, for every rollback in power or taxes. We Libertarians will soon have the margin of victory in a lot of races. Then things will begin to turn around. There will NEVER a return to Freedom if we depend on the Republicans. Republicans - the second party of government. Lew - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Silver Subject: GunTruths adds Newsletter page Date: 04 Nov 1998 21:32:37 -0800 GunTruths.Com has added a "newsletter page" to its site. If your organization publishes a firearms-related or freedom-related newsletter, please send us the following information and we will gladly include a reference: 1) name, 2) name of organization 3) frequency of publication, 4) cost of subscription, 5) mailing address 6) telephone number, 7) URL. Also, if possible, send us a .gif or .gpg file depicting the front page of your newsletter. (Alternatively, you can mail a copy of the newsletter to me, care of the address shown in the signature block below). Please also remember to send us info re: any firearms-related events in your area, and check out our site. The URL is: http://www.guntruths.com/ Thank you, Steve Silver Vice President, The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society, Inc. 18034 Ventura Blvd., No. 329, Encino, CA 91316 * (818) 734-3066 For a complimentary copy of the LSAS's newsletter, "The Liberty Pole," e-mail your snail-mail address to: LSAS3@aol.com. The LSAS is a 501(c)(4) California non-profit corporation * * * GET THE TRUTH ABOUT GUNS. VISIT: http://www.guntruths.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Re: Are We in Trouble? (fwd) Date: 04 Nov 1998 23:22:30 -0700 Lew Glendenning wrote: > > When are you folks going to learn that depending on the "least of two evils" > is a losing strategy. > > Lots of you wasted your vote this time. > [etc] I could only vote for what was on my ballot, Lew, and there weren't any "Ls" there, only "Ds" and "Rs". Might have stayed home I guess, but then I'd forfeit the right to bitch. Skip - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wbg Subject: Re: Are We in Trouble? (fwd) Date: 05 Nov 1998 06:11:56 -0800 (PST) Lew Glendenning wrote: [snip] > Republicans - the second party of government. Too bloody right, mate. And now Hyde says they're dialing down the impeachment inquiry and will dispose of it by Thanksgiving. Could it be that there are too many Republicans who might be caught up in the China-donations net? Hmmmm....? WRT to elected federal officeholders, you are right - it's getting increasingly difficult, with just a few exceptions, to tell the difference between a D and an R. About the only real difference remaining is that overall, the Ds are more skillful at campaign lying and stealing elections. Once again I am completely revulsed by the malleability and complete, utter gullibility of the typical American voter. Brewster -- ************************************************************************* " Why is history important? Without history, many people have no idea how many of today's half-baked ideas have been tried, again and again - and have repeatedly led to disaster. Most of these ideas are not new. They are just being recycled with re-treaded rhetoric. " Thomas Sowell ************************************************************************* W. Brewster Gillett wbg@hevanet.com Portland, Oregon USA *********************************************************************** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) Date: 05 Nov 1998 10:05:43 -0500 (EST) Jack, I'm a conservative, a laissez-faire capitalist with strong libertarian leanings. You are taking legitimate political issues and couching them in the 2nd or 3rd most racist language I have ever heard on the net. > > >And we also have to remember that thanks to all this third world trash >25 percent of Los Angeles County is on Welfare....that is one in four. > Why don't you leave the "third world trash" out of it. The problem is that LA County has a welfare system so generous that it attracts a large population of people just seeking benefits. Thats a real problem. CA isn't any different than NY in some respects, its a state that has some very competitive industries and a lot of other industries that are being strangled by tax and governance policies. Your racist talk doesn't make you look good (or even very smart) from where I am sitting. ciao, jcurtis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: snippet from Drudge Date: 05 Nov 1998 10:36:46 -0500 (EST) My interpretation of this is: Hyde is going to schedule a vote, Starr is going to testify, vote is going to go 100% D's for no-impeach, enough R's vote "their conscience" to vote no-impeach. Peace with Honor. ciao, jcurtis FLASH: IMPEACHMENT VOTE BEFORE THANKSGIVING; HYDE PLANS TO CALL ONLY STARR House Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde is telling Republicans Wednesday that he's planning to call only Independent Counsel Ken Starr to testify during impeachment hearings -- hearings that will end with a vote by Thanksgiving! MORE X X X X Hyde, according to Thursday's WASHINGTON POST, assured GOP colleagues that Starr would be an impressive witness, comparing Democrats, who have been publicly saying they want a chance at Starr, "to a dog who chases a car without figuring out 'what happens when you catch it.'" The Hyde development hit Washington media circles late Wednesday and came after a day of impeachment confusion. Even tough guy Cal Thomas writes in an upcoming column: "Republicans should abandon their strategy to 'get' Bill Clinton. It hasn't worked and, barring some unlikely discovery by the House Judiciary Committee, Clinton is going to finish his second term." X X X X X - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Ferris Subject: OT: A Letter to My Father (fwd) Date: 05 Nov 1998 21:02:09 -0500 (EST) November 5, 1998 Dear Dad, Over five years have passed since you lost your year long battle with a virulent form of cancer which finally caused to you suffer a fatal cardiac arrest. Time is supposed to heal one's sense of loss when a loved one dies, but my heart still aches as much as it did on the day in late June of June 1993 when I helped to carefully fold the U.S. Flag which graced your casket. The simple granite stone which marks your resting place shows your last held U.S. Army rank of Lieutenant Colonel, your branch as Field Artillery (I know, I know: "King of Battle" ), your service in World War II, and your receipt of the Bronze Star Medal for valorous action during the Battle of the Bulge and during the First Army's final assault into Germany during early 1945. Dad, although I talk to you often in search of advice and counsel, it has been a while since I have dared to bring you up to date on the political state of affairs in this nation that you loved so much and for which your younger brother Geoffrey gave his life in combat on a remote hillside in Tunisia, North Africa on May 6, 1943. (Do not worry, I am still taking excellent care of Uncle Geoff's Distinguished Service Cross, Silver Star, and Purple Heart. They reside right next to your own Bronze Star Medal.) Back to the political scene, which you may not be able to make out through the thick cumulus clouds of media, White House, DNC and RNC spinning, dense clouds which often blot out the shining sun of truth and reality. What else can I tell you, Dad? It's bad. Probably worse than you could ever imagine. I need not go into the gory details of President Clinton's multiple scandals and recurring pattern of lying to his family, to his colleagues and to all other Americans, to remind you that a contemptible, dishonorable rogue who lacks a moral compass is dragging the greatest nation on Earth down a path towards political and cultural irrelevance. And, get this, Americans are buying into this power-crazed President's and his Democrat sycophants' balkanizing of the U.S.A.! Dad, you, who first taught me in my formative years to treat all people with equal respect and to be color-blind because it was morally correct (and not trendy), will be disgusted to learn of the scorched earth race-baiting campaign waged by President Clinton and his Democrats in a brazen effort to inflame racial division and to encourage separation by ethnic background. (Yes, I am referring to the U.S.A., and not to Yugoslavia!) Even more shocking is the state of paralysis and the clear ineptitude existent within the RNC to which you contributed funds so faithfully in the years before your death. Dad, "perfect hair Republicans" have come to stand for nothing when they should stand for principles! They have allowed the charlatan masquerading as the President of the United States to huddle with his freedom-fearing, amoral White House freshmen frat brother wonks and to smirk with glee as they strive to make a total mockery of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and as they use a cheap NAFTA tool set imported from Mexico to dismantle liberty and freedom, piece by piece. Newt Gingrich, Jim Nicholson and Trent Lott have wiffled and waffled and weebled and wobbled and smiled during the past year as the Democrats' "For The Children" crew have ridden circles around them on their Big Wheel tricycles. It has been Custer's Last Stand with the clueless Republicans watching with terror and disbelief as the hooting Democrats have circled the Republican 7th Cavalry and shot politically correct arrows into the rear ends of cowering RINO troopers. The posteriors of Messrs. Gingrich, Lott and Nicholson now resemble pin cushions, very well ventilated pin cushions. What a pathetic sight. What a Barnum & Bailey circus. What a sad time in the history of a truly great nation. Our Republican "leaders" have not acted with the courage that you and your fellow soldiers showed when you stormed across France and Belgium in 1944 to stall Hitler's war machine. Gingrich, Lott and Nicholson did not get their feet wet at a political Omaha Beach. Heck, they did not not even board a ship, figurative rifles in hand, to traverse a channel to confront the Democrat "enemy." And make no mistake about it, Dad, the Democrats have proven that they are the "enemy" and any fool knows that sipping tea with them, Neville Chamberlain-style, will slowly lead to the utter destruction of the precious legacy (our Republic) left to us by our wise Founding Fathers in the late 18th century. So, Dad, we're in a bit of a mess down here. I realize that Democrats in heaven probably control all movement of Republicans residing there and may be working hard to convince God to impose a speech code which would muzzle those of you who would dare to tell the truth about what you might see happening on terra firma, way down below. Please send me a message that a departed member of the professional wrestling circuit of the 1960's won an election in heaven and is about to gently twist any control freak deceased Democrats (who are annoying you and other deceased real Republicans) into the shape of angelic pretzels! Let me know that Democrats in heaven are on the ropes! Let me know that somewhere way up above, truth, honor and character still matter, and that God places a premium on honesty and integrity. Let me know that "Impeach Clinton" shirts are worn with pride by you and your pals as you play golf and talk of times when the U.S.A. was governed by men of integrity whose fitness to lead had been forged as they faced death during wartime while defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Alas, now we are governed by selfish, craven men and women molded by the likes of Messrs. James Carville and Dick Morris. As they say in the great state of Texas, "Yee haw", NOT! Well, Dad, that's the sitrep for now. We freedom lovers have formed a tight 360 and have placed our best political troops out on LP/OPs to warn of impending threats to our perimeter by advancing Democrat forces. At times, in the Press of the Crossfire, it's hard to tell any difference between Democrats and Republicans. They look and sound the same when they spin around in circles just outside our position. We are trying hard to remain hopeful in the wake of the recent election, and we are determined not to give way on any principles which America's brave veterans have died to protect over the past two hundred plus years. Know we will never surrender this hallowed ground on which we stand to the Clintonistas, even if Republican quislings beyond the wire urge us to engage in "bi-partisan compromise." No chance, Dad. We will never run up the white flag. Never. Never. Never. No matter what happens. We will defend the return of a moral center to our society and we will shelter sacred freedom from the shredding winds of the shrieking, whining Democrat hurricane until, some day soon, all Americans will once again be proud to differentiate between right and wrong and will point to an honorable President and say, "Now, there's the LEADER of our nation, and wherever he leads, we will follow, with pride!" Take care, Dad, and rest easily until we meet again. I have to go now, it's my turn "on watch", and the Democrats are reportedly crawling towards the wire with Corporal Cueball Carville urging them on. Hey, Dad, political war, i.e., protecting individual liberty from "pass another law" Democrats by means of peaceful, effective grassroots advocacy, is Hell. And if our political Hell ever freezes over, we will confront the Democrats on the ice. And we will win, in spite of the "perfect hair Republicans" who may soon be relegated to driving the Zamboni machine between periods to keep our political Hell's ice as smooth as spin doctor-created talking point papers. Love from your devoted son, Chris - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: NAFTA and MAI maybe scrapped by Canada (fwd) Date: 05 Nov 1998 22:00:03 PST On Nov 5, Greg Krawchuk wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] NAFTA and MAI maybe scrapped by Canada if David Orchard wins the Leadership race for a Federal political party in Canada. For the most part there is a BLACKOUT by the mainstream media BY not to reporting this significant development. BUT THE WORD IS GETTING OUT AND IT IS SCARING THE ESTABLISHMENT. PLEASE NOTIFY ALL MEDIA OUTLETS. IF YOU AMERICANS DO NOT LIKE THE NAFTA AND MAI DEAL, HERE IS A CHANCE TO THROW A WRENCH INTO THE NEW WORLD ORDER. NOW THINK ABOUT THIS, THE POPULATION OF CANADA COULD FIT INTO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. LETS SAY IF YOU COULD DESTROY THE FREE TRADE DEAL BY CONVINCING THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO OPPOSE IT. WELL THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU HAVE. DAVID ORCHARD IS IN A 2 WAY POLITICAL LEADERSHIP RACE WITH THE FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA, JOE CLARK. AND GET THIS, JOE CLARK IS REFUSING TO DEBATE WITH HIM. THIS IS HOW SCARED THE ESTABLISHMENT IS. FOLKS NEVER HAS ANYTHING BEEN SO OBVIOUS SINCE THE ASSANINATION OF JFK! PLEASE PEOPLE, PHONE THE MEDIA AND FORCE A DEBATE SO THAT THE CITIZENS OF CANADA CAN LEARN AT WHATS GOING ON HERE. THEY JUST DON'T KNOW. THE MEDIA IS NOT REPORTING THE PARTICULARS. WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO SETTING BACK THE NEW WORLD ORDER. IF YOU KNOW ANY CANADIANS OR MEDIA SHOWS LIKE ART BELL THAT IS BROADCAST INTO CANADA YOU WILL DO MUCH IN EDUCATING CANADIANS TO GET BEHIND DAVID ORCHARD. THROUGH WORD OF MOUTH THOUSANDS HAVE JOINED THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVITIVE PARTY BECAUSE OF DAVID ORCHARD. AS A SIDE NOTE IF HE WERE TO GROW A BEARD HE WOULD LOOK LIKE ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND HE TALKS LIKE HIM ALSO. FORCE THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE PARTY TO HAVE A LEADERSHIP DEBATE, THE VOTE IS TO HAPPEN ON NOVEMBER 14, 1998. CIRCULATE THIS WIDELY. HERE IS AN ARTICLE BY DAVID ORCHARD Son of NAFTA: the Multilateral Agreement on Investment by David Orchard Amid a deafening political silence, successor agreement to NAFTA, the Multilateral Agreement on Investment (MAI), is being negotiated in Paris by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). The leaked 140 page draft states that each nation must treat foreign corporations at least as favourably as domestic companies (national treatment). No country "may impose, enforce or maintain" any requirement on a foreign-owned corporation to purchase any domestic goods or services, to achieve any level of domestic content or ownership, to hire anyone locally or, indeed, to achieve any level of employment, investment, research or development in, or transfer any technology or knowledge to, the host country. Each country, however, "shall ensure" that all returns, capital, proceeds or profits may be freely transferred "in and out of any territory without delay ... in a freely convertible currency." Although citizens and their governments are prohibited from placing requirements on foreign corporations, taxpayers of each country are required to provide "full and constant protection and security" to foreign investors and their investments. Crown corporations, referred to as "government monopolies," must act "solely in accordance with commercial considerations." A section called "Investor - State Procedures" gives foreign corporations the right to sue national governments for any measure which "causes or is likely to cause loss or damage to an investor or his investment" or even for "a lost opportunity to profit from a planned investment." "Standstill" and "rollback" proposals would prohibit a country from passing any new laws which do not conform with the MAI, and require all existing non-conforming laws of each country to be listed in an annex. "Rollback" is described as -the liberalization process by which the reduction and eventual elimination of all non-conforming measures to the MAI will take place. It is a dynamic element linked with standstill which...would produce a 'ratchet effect' where any new liberalization processes would be 'locked in' so they could not be rescinded or nullified over time." Possible ways to achieve rollback include a phaseout or "sunset" clauses on all "non-conforming measures" and then "periodic examination of non-conforming measures" leading to "removal or limitation." Regulations limiting foreign ownership of Canada's banks, media, farmland, airlines, the existence of medicare, public education, the Canadian Wheat Board and the CBC are all "non-conforming measures," subject to "phaseout." This agreement grants foreign investors greater rights by law than Canadian citizens. It means elected governments in Canada agree in advance to place the interests of foreign investors first regardless of the will of the population, as expressed in elections or any other way. The implications for democracy, the environment, employment, human dignity and national sovereignty, are profound. Canada has already given these rights to U.S. corporations under (NA)FTA, triggering a drastic increase in American control of all aspects of our economy and society. MAI extends the investment chapter of NAFTA to give the same rights to corporations from all 29 OECD other countries. Under NAFTA Canada can at any time give six months' notice and withdraw from the agreement without penalty. The terms of the MAI, however, lock in for twenty years. In the 1993 election, the Liberals promised to renegotiate or cancel both the FTA and NAFTA, which they had opposed since 1988. They did neither. Today virtually all government and corporate decisions are being driven by, and made compatible with, (NA)FTA. The undermining of Canada's health care system is a direct result of FTA rights given to private U.S. health corporations. Likewise, (NA)FTA has led to the unprecedented stripping of our precious non-renewable resources, accelerated environmental destruction and an assault on our national infrastructure. Before the FTA, Canada's unemployment level was equal to that in the U.S. Now it is twice the U.S. rate, with no improvement in sight. Yet no major political party is calling for Canada's withdrawal from NAFTA. (Reform, the Conservatives and the Bloc support the Liberals on MAI, as they do on (NA)FTA. The NDP now accepts NAFTA but opposes MAI- thus condoning U.S. control of Canada but not corporate control from other countries.) Back in the 1980's, when the U.S. couldn't impose its will on GATT, the world trade body, it pursued bilateral agreements - with Israel first, then Canada, where in 1988, a compliant Brian Mulroney signed the Canada- U.S. FTA. The FTA, now expanded to NAFTA, is the precedent the U.S. is using as a sledge-hammer to obtain those rights for its corporations, first in the rich OECD countries and then worldwide. Third World countries are already being threatened with trade action for refusing to go along with the agreement which, in the words of Bhagirath Lal Das, India's former negotiator to GATT, "will give foreign investors total rights without responsibilities." By allowing itself to be used as a patsy in these so called free trade agreements, Canada gives U.S. corporate demands a legitimacy and force around the world they could not otherwise achieve. Instead of extending NAFTA, Canada must withdraw from it before the border below us is erased along with four centuries of our history - and build a domestically controlled economy as other successful nations have done. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: a forwarded plea (fwd) Date: 05 Nov 1998 22:18:15 PST On Nov 5, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] David L. Williams of Goldstream Valley, AK passes along something that those afflicted with a Democrat congressman or senator might use. Kevin McGehee North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ "When you run out of things to say, it's usually wise to stop talking." -----Original Message----- The following is a suggested letter / Phone calls template to be used for ALL communications with Democrat Party Officials & Congressmen: Dear Mr./Ms/Mrs. X, If the rule of Law is to have any meaning, and import at all in our future, the Impeachment hearings must go forward. The Rule of Law must be upheld consistently or it will fall. History teaches that this is not a Nation with two classes of citizenry, is this about to change? If perjury by any elected official is allowed to pass unpunished, what will be left of our legal system when lying under oath has become an accepted legal practice? Let's put aside all the politicizing and demagoguery for a moment and think only of this Great Nation instead. Perjury is a crime for a reason, it stands at the very basis of our Legal System. It is the foundation of that which Justice stands for and relies on in order that the whole truth may be known. To allow perjury, by whomever and for whatever reason, is to undermine that Foundation is such a manner as to bring about it's eventual fall. Does it matter the basis for the perjury? I, for one, think not. In the case of our President, now serving in the White House, would it matter any more or less had he lied about beating Mrs. Clinton? Any more or less had he lied about any other crime he was alleged to have committed or is it just because this matter dealt with his admitted adultery and sexual harassment that we should look the other way? I fear that if we as a Nation choose to abandon our hard-fought rule of law, our personal and National freedoms will soon follow. I therefore urge you to act upon your conscience, to vote as it dictates, regardless of party loyalty or the direction of the Leadership. We, as a Nation, either stand for the Rule of Law or we will surely be negating the sweat and tears of generations before us, as well as of those yet to come. We, as a Nation, either stand for the Rule of Law or we will have stolen the principles generations before us fought and died for. Respectfully, (your name, address, etc.) [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Trash?? Date: 06 Nov 1998 01:18:45 -0600 >From: Jack Perrine >Subject: Re: Who Dumped Saltpeter on the GOP (fwd) > >At 13:19 11/04/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >>Jack@minerva.com wrote: >> >>>I think this is pretty silly. The accursed GOP has stood on principle on >>>virtually every vote: Unfortunately the principle has been to totally screw >>>the white US citizen with respect to doing every possible for the third >world >>>alien filth / the principle has always been to be a traitor and do everthing >>>to screw the US .....just as the hard working traitors the Republicans >have become >> Wait a minute here. "white US citizen" and >> "third world alien filth"? >> >> I think that you are letting a little too much of your >> mental interior leak out and its not pretty. > >> >> What about black, hispanic, etc. U.S. citizens? > > > >> >> I thought this group was Restore Our Constitution, not >> Rant and Rave about Alien Filth. > >And where in the constitution does is say that White Tax payers >have to be punished every time another bit of third world trash >gets into the country. Since all that happens is that our taxes >for ever go up and the third world trash gets all the benefits.... >or can you think of a single benefit in exchange for being >punished with higher >taxes so all this alien filth can have all the children they want >and everyone but the parents has to pay for them? Can you think of a >single >benefit to the tax payers of having to endure the insult of always >having less spent per student for White and Asian students with smaller >libraries / no drama / no art / no gymnastics / ETC while much more >is spent per student on the alien parasites since they are simply >too supid to try to educate in the first place ......and thus >need all this expensive counseling / bilingual education /ECT. If we >are going to have all this accursed equality the place to start is >with school spending and if third world trash can not learn when >given the same spending per student as intelligent Whites and >Asians....just tell them the truth: They can study several extra >hours a day or be total failures....and no one really cares one >way or the other. > >Just where in the >constitution is the authority to tax citizens to give benefits to >a lot of foreign invaders? I thought the principle goal of prop 187 >was to firmly state that Aliens were to have no benefits at all...and >the Republicans instead of impeaching the accursed Supreme court judges >who thought Aliens were entitled to everything a Citizen is had / are >having this love affair with Latinos and all Whites and Asians get is >ever higher taxes. But where in the constitution does it say that >Citizens have to be punished by being taxed to provide an education for >the children of illegal aliens.....one would think if they are here >illegally the only right they should have is deportation ...and even >that hopefully at their expense > >One would think the one right the >constitution would protect would be to spend the money you earn >without having it all taxed away / stolen to allow all this third >world trash to exist. Where in the constitution is the authority >to tax / destroy productive people so lazy / stupid / entitled filth >can collect welfare. You sound much more like what you want to protect >is the communist manifesto instead of the US constitution. Here all >along I thought the US constitution was about freedom and not being >forced into slavery as half your income is taxed away so all this >minority filth can be entitled.....just like the English Nobility >was entitled at the time of the first revolution > >And as long as they are so unproductive that they can not exist without >welfare / medical services / education for their uneducatable brats >paid for by others why should they exist at all > >> If you don't like the WTO or the IMF or the UN that is one >> thing, but slamming the learning disabled as being brain dead >> is really reprehensible. > >Why? It is a competitive world and if they can not be taught and heaven >knows there is no evidence that any of them are ever taught anything >then why do they rest of us have to earn far above a world competitive >wage so vast amounts can be taxed away to be wasted on trying to teach >the learning disabled. For the most part one might as well take stacks >of hundred dollar bills and burn them and get just as much value as trying >to teach the mentally retarded anything....and furthermore even if they >can be taught at infinite expense it makes no difference if the amount >of tax revenue they will return over their lifetimes is much less than >what it cost to educate them. Would you advocate that people spend 100K >with some education scam that promises good high paying jobs when all is >said and done the total expected increase in lifetime earnings will be at >best 20K....and if not how can you possibly defend this nonsense of spending >5K a year on intelligent kids and 25K a year on mentally defective trash. > >I am sorry you are so divorced from reality that you find the term trash >so offensive....but since I only it use for people who are complete >liabilities >to all those around them why do you find it so offensive. If people are >so incompetent / non-functional that they can only exist by stealing what >others produce / earn.....why is not trash a perfectly good term. No one >can look at people existing on welfare as assets. > >> >> I don't know if you've noticed, but the U.S. Constitution doesn't >> have a word to say about any racial group. Some of the people from >> the third world are struggling mightily to arrive here and >> prosper because this country still has a reputation for a >> free market system that works and a legal system that struggles to >> allow any race have a shot at succeeding. > >How anyone can talk about a free market system in a country that supports >affirmative action is beyond me. If there was a free market economy >each and every >employer could give any type of test he wanted to find the best possible >employees instead of having to always take the worst possible / most >unqualified employees because they are third world trash or get fined out >of existence. Just how does affirmative action bear any relationship to >a free market system. > >In case you had NOT noticed this third world trash is very close to utterly >destroying California. When they released the test scores for the same >tests given all across California the average grade in LA county for >reading was at the 32nd percentile and for math at the 26th percentile. >And this was when all the high scores for the Whites and Asians had been >put in the mix. So, all this stupid third world trash had achieved something >something truly remarkable: Their test scores were so HORRIBLE that they >managed to pull the entire average down to the 32nd percentile. > >In a competitive world one imagines that to get a job one needs to be at >least at the 60th percentile and yet judging by school grades over half >of LA county is so dumb they will have to be on welfare all their lives. Look who's ranting about other people being dumb, doesn't even understand what a percentile score means. That is unless one believes that 60% of the population is unemployable and on welfare. Just what kind of name is Perrine anyway? Frog or Wop? To answer the obvious question, I haven't a clue what sort of name Sylvester is. Don't care and even if I did it wouldn't mean a thing. Granpa Sylvester was adopted. Came west on the "Orphan train", probably the get of some late 19th Century "third world trash" anyway. >But if over half of a group of people turning from brats to adults is so >incompetent that only welfare will allow them to exist.....WHO IS LEFT >TO BE TAXED TO SUPPORT ALL THIS ACCURSED WELFARE CONSUMING TRASH > >And we also have to remember that thanks to all this third world trash >25 percent of Los Angeles County is on Welfare....that is one in four. Strange, we in Texas. don't have near the problem with essentially the same mix of alien nationalities, or at least those referred to here. We also don't have nearly so generous welfare benefits. Hmm, maybe the problem is with the welfare system in California, rather than the "third world trash". > . . . >Why not wake up and smell the coffee and notice the horrible damage this >third world trash is doing to this country with their never ending production >of children that everyone but the parents has to support as well as the >total destruction of the once marvelous California schools by filling them >full of people who have IQs so low they do not even compete well with our >cats and dogs Again, shows that he doesn't understand what IQ *is* , or so racist and biased to belive that *no* individual that comes from "third world trash" has or ever can can be intelligent. Race in humans is flawed concept. All "races" are interfertile, and the genetic similarity between the most diverse in appearance is often more than between those that appear on the surface to be more similar. I know and have worked with people who came directly from several "third world" countries, and to a person they were more intelligent, hardworking, and just interesting to know, than some of the "White" citizens I could name. > > Jack Perrine | Athena Programming | 626-798-6574 > -----------------| 1175 N Altadena Dr | -------------- > Jack@Minerva.Com | Pasadena CA 91107 | FAX-398-8620 The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RAPTUS: Ransom531@aol.com: Fwd: 'March for Justice' in DC (fwd) Date: 06 Nov 1998 00:32:16 PST A little more coroboration..... On Nov 5, BaBette Z. Bechtold wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Message-ID: <8f386062.36423c9e@aol.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_910310561_boundary Content-ID: <0_910310561@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_910310561_boundary Content-ID: <0_910310561@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Prepared Text of L.D. Brown Speech at 'March for Justice' in DC October 31, 1998, L. D. Browne Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. I am a former Arkansas State Trooper and Clinton bodyguard whose name has rarely surfaced. That's because my close friendship with Bill Clinton caused me such grief I've struggled to stay in the background all these years. I wanted to put the memories of all the abuses of power I'd witnessed behind me; to make a new life for my family. So why speak now? Just when I've got a Ph.D. and am thinking of moving my family out of this country to Scotland? Yes, that's how much I want to put memories of Clinton behind me. Why speak now, indeed. Because for this moment my family and I still live in Little Rock. We are already outcasts in our own home town just because I once dared stand up and say the emperor has no clothes -- he can't even keep them on. Because I promise you after what I'm about to tell you, my family's treatment in Little Rock is going to plunge from bad to worse than you can imagine. So why make myself a marked man? Because I started lying awake last week, asking myself `what will I say when my children one day ask, "But daddy you knew so much, you could have spoken out, why didn't you?"' So it has come to this moment, on this Halloween day, to reveal skeletons -- just a few, we only have hours here! And I will not be telling you about abuses of power I've read about, but about crimes I've witnessed with my own two eyes. You see I wasn't just Bill's bodyguard, I was his close friend, and he mine. My future wife was Chelsea Clinton's nanny and a frequent baby-sitter for Vince and Lisa Foster. I see now that Bill and my close friendship was probably predestined. We were constantly together, we both came from similar traumatic childhood's, and we both tried to womanize away that pain and confusion. But if it were just about sex, I would not be risking my family's welfare to speak up now. I step forward because I was an eyewitness to the far darker path Bill turned down. It is a path so dark, so twisted that it is almost impossible for the average American to comprehend. The full horror of Bill Clinton's assault on truth and justice staggers the imagination. There is no precedent, no point of reference for understanding the corruption of this man. That's why we are now a nation paralyzed by disbelief. Indeed if I had not witnessed his crimes with my own eyes I could not fathom their magnitude either. But now is the moment we must find the steeliness to confront the terrible truth. America has allowed itself to be duped into placing a dangerously sick and immoral boy/man in the most powerful position in the free world. He is pitiable, yes. But he is also the sad case with his finger on the button. He is the shadow figure with dirty hands choking the future of our children, our country -- indeed life as we know it. Because, make no mistake -- there is no tooth fairy, we may be on the brink of a world meltdown, this may be our last chance to save ourselves. That is why I will now publicly go on the record with what I can. There is more I can say in time when current investigations I am involved in go public. For now let me make clear that I do not know how Bill Clinton's White House Counsel Vince Foster died. But I do know, for a fact, that both investigations, Robert Fiske's and Kenneth Starr's, were cover-ups. As a law enforcement agent for over 24 years, I will tell you that there has been no investigation capable of ruling Foster's death a suicide in Fort Marcy Park. Because there has been no investigation built around the most relevant fact about Vince Foster: the fact that he and Hillary Clinton were in the middle of a long torrid affair. I ought to know, I was there, I saw it. And Hillary and I talked about it often during late-night chats in the Governor's mansion. This affair started in Little Rock and drew Vince Foster to Washington - and to his death. Without putting the affair between these two people at its center, without interviewing Hillary, any investigation into the death of Vince Foster will be totally compromised. I speak of this now NOT to speak of sex, but to speak of the Clintons' frightening influence over the Park Police and the FBI. Since when in America do we not fully and impartially investigate the death of a citizen? Any citizen. But surely there should be no whisper of compromise when it is the investigation into one of the highest-ranking government officials in history to meet a violent end while in office. I gaze now on the White House and think of Vince walking its halls. And that leads me to a memory from the days when Bill was governor. Hillary and Chelsea and my wife and I were up in Washington together and driving in a cab past the White House. Little Chelsea, upon seeing this big White House, began begging her mother and nanny -- my wife -- to take her on a tour. The supposedly sweet, motherly Hillary launched into her usual sharp scolding of her daughter. Chelsea was quiet and Hillary looked out the window at the White House, then home to President Ronald and Nancy Reagan and told her child "Chelsea, I'll take you on a White House tour when someone decent lives there!" Boy, I wonder how many people are telling their children that same thing as they drive past the White House today. When I first worked for the Clinton's, I naively saw myself as a sort of patriot in my own small way, helping Bill to do great things for my beloved Arkansas. It wasn't all the procurement of girls I was obliged to do for him that brought on my moment of truth. It was finally the combined weight all those moments I witnessed him sell his soul in a heartbeat. Take just one time when he gave a law enforcement position to a man who everyone knew would be a disaster. I confronted him and asked, "Why, Bill?" He said "L. D. I know you're right, but he's contributing $5,000, and that's a lot of money right now. Sometimes we need to do bad things for the greater good." So it doesn't surprise me to hear the Clinton administration has allowed nuclear targeting technology to be given to Communist China in return for contributions to the Democratic Party. Bill Clinton has no principles. Everything he does is geared toward winning. In his mind it's all about how Bill Clinton must win -- whatever the cost to the country and the world. Of Bill, of Hillary, of the whole stinking sordid Billorygate, I say this: Betray us once and shame on you. Betray us twice and shame on us. Betray us three times, four times, five times, as you have, and I say, Lord, what is the matter with us? Please rouse us from our denial. This is the darkest of hours for our country and our constitution. I pray that we survive this most corrupt presidency in history. I pray that this country finds a way to go on. I pray that there is a tomorrow in which the history books will record this as the crisis that rocked us to our foundations. But as the crisis from which we learned, once and for all: Character Does Count - I end with a personal plea to my former buddy. Bill: The Truth Shall Set You Free. (Mr. Browne served as bodyguard to Governor Clinton in Arkansas) --part0_910310561_boundary-- --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Net Tax again Date: 07 Nov 1998 05:42:22 PST I just heard that the FCC is trying to implement a per minute charge on net usage, by next month some time. Anyone seen anything on this? -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Clinton: Ban private firearms sales! (fwd) Date: 07 Nov 1998 16:36:31 PST Seems to me that a Nation wide I-676 type effort might be needed..... On Nov 7, ataylor@NMSU.Edu wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Here we go again. Liberal Democrat Bill Clinton celebrates an election by going after gun owners once more, with the usual lies. The keyword to look for in this article is "unlicensed dealer". Having deliberately driven as many FFL's out of business as possible, we see the Clinton regime taking the next logical (or, in Bradyspeak, "reasonable") step: to ban all private sales of firearms in the US. This article is so chock full of lies that I have to comment. Comments are in [brackets]. Clinton Urges Gun Crackdown Associated Press Saturday, November 7, 1998; 10:15 a.m. EST By Robert Burns WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Clinton today ordered the Treasury and Justice departments to recommend ways to stop gun shows from exploiting a loophole in the Brady gun control law. He said gun shows have become ``illegal arms bazaars'' for criminals and gun runners. [No evidence of this, as usual, but the talking lapdogs in the press won't bother to question it.] ``We didn't fight as hard as we did to pass the Brady law only to let a handful of unscrupulous gun dealers disrespect the law, undermine our progress and put our families at risk,'' Clinton said in his weekly radio address. The president's message was echoed by Sarah Brady, wife of former White House press secretary James Brady, who was wounded in the 1981 assassination attempt on former President Reagan. The law, named in Brady's honor, established a five-day waiting period for hand gun purchases so that background checks could be performed on buyers. [Moderate Republican Sarah Brady, who was publicly embraced on the podium of the 1996 Democratic National Convention by Liberal Democrat Bill Clinton...thanks, moderates, for electing this dangerous amoral power-seeker to the Presidency.] ``In state after state, criminals can now walk into a weekend gun show and buy a gun with no questions asked from an unlicensed dealer that is selling from his or her `private collection,''' Mrs. Brady, chairwoman of the advocacy group Handgun Control Inc., said in a written statement. ``That's an open invitation to criminals. ["Unlicensed Dealer", there's the lie to look for in the weeks to come. It's as real a term as "assault weapon" is, but the facts don't matter to either the lapdog press or the gun-ban crowd. If there is a real problem with people dealing sans FFL, then all that is needed is enforcement of the *existing* laws under GCA-68.] ``The past five years have demonstrated the importance of observing waiting periods and doing background checks at gun stores,'' she added, ``but we now need to extend the Brady law to include all gun sales occurring at gun shows and flea markets.'' [As I predicted 5 years back. First the Brady on FFL's, then ban private sales. Registration is a feature of the "instant" background check. Confiscation then becomes rather easy...] The government estimates that 5 million people a year attend gun shows, typically held in convention centers, school gymnasiums or fairgrounds. The Brady law requirement for waiting periods and background checks does not apply to gun show sales. [This is, of course, another lie from the "unbiased" press. Brady requirements DO apply to any FFL that does business at a gun show, as i have seen with my own eyes. But the "unbiased" press is more than willing to lie about guns, as they have been for at least 25 years.] Clinton noted that gun shows are popular in his home state of Arkansas, which he visited Friday after taping his radio address at the White House. ``I have visited and enjoyed them over the years,'' he said. ``They're often the first place parents teach their children how to handle firearms safely.'' [Yeah, right, Clinton goes to gun shows. That's where he picks up his "rifle" to go _duck hunting_ with, now isn't it? Miserable lying bastard. How could anyone vote for this, this, this, "person"?] ``But at too many guns shows, a dif become illegal arms bazaars for criminals and gun traffickers to buy and sell guns on a cash-and-carry, no-questions-asked basis.'' [Something got garbled in the above passage in my source.] Clinton noted that Florida voters passed a measure Tuesday to enable communities to require background checks for the public sale of all guns. [Unless they amended the State Constitution, this could be overturned due to the State pre-emption law.] ``I believe this should be the law of the land: no background check, no gun, no exceptions.'' [Ban private sales, in other words, just as I predicted years ago.] Mrs. Brady said several Florida counties are expected to pass local ordinances regulating gun show sales. Mayor Alex Penelas of Miami-Dade County already has unveiled a draft ordinance, Mrs. Brady said. The president directed Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and Attorney General Janet Reno to present to him within two months a plan to close the Brady law loophole and prohibit any gun sale without a background check. [While I'd like to believe that this will require an amendment to the Gun Control Act of 1968, I'm afraid that some E.O. will be issued to do this early next year. Sure, it'll be illegal; since when does that deter the Clinton regime from anything?] Clinton said gun control efforts also will be strengthened on Nov. 30 when the Justice Department implements the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. This system will give law enforcement officials access to a wider array of records than is now available. Also as of Nov. 30, the background checks will apply not only to handguns but also to rifles and shotguns and firearms transfers at pawn shops. With that system in place, the number of background checks for gun purchases will increase from an estimated 4 million a year to 12 million, Clinton said. [Maybe NOW the shotgunners and hunters will wake up?] [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Re: Clinton: Ban private firearms sales! (fwd) Date: 07 Nov 1998 17:15:37 -0700 Bill Vance wrote: > > Seems to me that a Nation wide I-676 type effort might be needed..... > If only nationwide Initiatives and Referenda were possible, but alas, the founders didn't give us those direct democracy mechanisms. They thought they had already built in enough checks and balances to keep government from spinning out of control. They never imagined that future generations of elected representatives (now known as "liberals") would judge their constitutional masterpiece to be an obsolete impediment to social progress. Skip. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Harry Barnett" Subject: Re: Clinton: Ban private firearms sales! (fwd) Date: 08 Nov 1998 09:17:17 -0800 Skip Leuschner wrote: >Bill Vance wrote: >> >> Seems to me that a Nation wide I-676 type effort might be needed..... >> > >If only nationwide Initiatives and Referenda were possible, >but alas, the founders didn't give us those direct democracy >mechanisms. They thought they had already built in enough >checks and balances to keep government from spinning out of >control. They never imagined that future generations of elected >representatives (now known as "liberals") would judge their >constitutional masterpiece to be an obsolete impediment to >social progress. > >Skip. We just had the nationwide equivalent of "initiatives" and "referenda" last Tuesday. We're in the same fix we were two weeks ago, except for Newt throwing up his hands in disgust and quitting. And who can blame him. The American PEOPLE have given Slick Willie and his Host of Whores a second wind. The only way we even have half a chance to "Restore Our Constitution" is a Second American Civil War, I am afraid. And if past results of war in general are any testament, the odds of that resulting in an increase in individual liberty is very slim indeed. And what good are initiatives? For example, you are about to observe our racist Washington governor and his minions blithely ignore the results of I-200. You know, Governor Gary Locke, the guy who wrote the Voter's Pamphlet recommendation to KEEP RACIAL PREFERENCES in government employment, in opposition to I-200, which says such preferences are not to apply? "The End justifies the Means," in this case means "Ignore the Law and go ahead and do what WE Liberals want to do to achieve our Ends." Future generations are going to have a tough row to hoe, thanks to this one, and the last four or five. Go ahead and vote, but just remember that when you step into the voting booth, the guy on the right and the guy on your left are your enemy. Therefore, keep your powder dry, and never, never tell the government or anybody else how many guns you have, nor where they are. Regards, Harry - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Clinton: Ban private firearms sales! (fwd) Date: 08 Nov 1998 09:36:29 -0800 Haven't felt so agreeable in months : ) I think we're kinda missing BillV's point though, he called for a similar -effort-. And while I'm continually amazed at how fast gun owners forget politics (True, they're getting on with the lives they should be left alone to conduct. But the speed of the change is mind boggling.) I have been more amazed by the passion with wich they persue political goals when their choices are threatened. And 676 will be the symbol of that kind of passion for me, forever or at least until we supplant it fighting Clinton in his final days of office. This isn't pollyanna typing here. Yesterday at the Monroe Washington WAC gun show we were swamped with people ready to give NRA good advice at the NRA recruiting table. IMO that means folks are getting ready to kick butt politically (that's the way it happened for me with 676) and it says to me that they were watching for the Clintons speech and ready to react. In Washington, the racist in chief has moderated his anti 200 talk in the last few days. A darned shame because there are wealthy Libertarians -lining-up- to fix his wagon judicially. I know others were looking forward to suing Univ. of Washington given there pro quota rhetoric. This isn't the route we should have to take to remedy our civil rights but there are people ready and waiting to initiate that angle of defense should it be necessary. CLAW is ready for bills to be dropped attempting to erode state pre emption, require draconian "safe storage" (wich can be neither), and messing with CCW because Washington state took more of a change then Congress nationally. If any of you are reading this within Washington I hope you'll consider joining the group. If you don't do meetings we still need your help filling hearing rooms in Olympia during legislative session and you can stay connected via our member Email list. I also agree with Harry's point about maintenance of arms. I'm currently a "man of leisure" ("between positions" as t'were ; ) but my credit cards will see action at the local range before November 30th. I'll hum Tom Lehrers "Boy scout marching song" and I'll be prepared, hope you will too. Boyd Kneeland Pres. Council for Legislative Action Washington CLAW Harry Barnett wrote: > > Skip Leuschner wrote: > > >Bill Vance wrote: > >> > >> Seems to me that a Nation wide I-676 type effort might be needed..... snip > > > >If only nationwide Initiatives and Referenda were possible, > >but alas, the founders didn't give us those direct democracy > >Skip. > > We just had the nationwide equivalent of "initiatives" and "referenda" last > Tuesday. > > We're in the same fix we were two weeks ago, except for Newt throwing up his snip > Regards, > Harry > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: Re: Clinton: Ban private firearms sales! (fwd) Date: 08 Nov 1998 10:51:50 -0700 At 09:17 AM 11/8/98 -0800, you wrote: >Skip Leuschner wrote: > > >>Bill Vance wrote: >>> >>> Seems to me that a Nation wide I-676 type effort might be needed..... >>> >> >>If only nationwide Initiatives and Referenda were possible, >>but alas, the founders didn't give us those direct democracy >>mechanisms. They thought they had already built in enough >>checks and balances to keep government from spinning out of >>control. They never imagined that future generations of elected >>representatives (now known as "liberals") would judge their >>constitutional masterpiece to be an obsolete impediment to >>social progress. >> >>Skip. I wouldn't be so quick to think of referenda as a great idea. In Oregon, it has been a tool of the Left to further subvert the constitutions. When the right has used it, it has been a disaster. The U.S. Constitution provides for the federal government to guarentee a REPUBLICAN form of government. I think they have failed by not declaring referenda to be unconstitutional. There was a GOOD reason why "the People" (everyone's supposed Holy Grail) were not given direct lawmaking power. Think about it: Lawmaking by the same "People" who elected Bill Clinton -- twice? Not a very good idea. S. Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Laugh til you cry, or vice versa. Date: 09 Nov 1998 11:33:48 -0600 <> 06:45 PM ET 11/08/98 Republicans vie for U.S. House leadership jobs By Eddie Evans WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Bob Livingston, the top contender to replace Newt Gingrich as speaker of the House of , said Sunday that Republicans must compromise with President Clinton and other Democrats next year -- rather than try to dictate legislation to them. <> Livingston said Republicans must acknowledge that voters effectively rejected much of their conservative agenda in last Tuesday's election when they cut their House majority by giving Democrats a net gain of five seats. ``With a margin of only 6 votes in the coming Congress, I'm going to have to work with people who don't believe the same (as) I do,'' Livingston told ABC-TV's ``This Week.'' House Republicans are to meet Nov. 18 to elect their party leaders for the new 106th Congress, which convenes in January. Livingston is the front-runner to replace Gingrich, who last Friday, in response to a Republican revolt, announced he would not seek reelection as speaker, a post that is second in line, behind the vice presidency, to the presidency. Sunday TV talk shows took on the appearance of Republican rallies as candidates for the speakership and other House leadership posts campaigned for the jobs. ``When you have slim margins ... you can't do everything that you want,'' Livingston said. ``Our forefathers wrote a constitution that gave us the opportunity to settle our differences by compromise, not by dictate.'' <> Livingston reportedly has the backing of more than 100 Republicans. He would need 112 of the 223 Republicans in the new House to become speaker. <> Rep. James Talent of Missouri had considered running for the job, but on Sunday announced he had decided instead to throw his support behind Livingston. House Ways and Committee Chairman Bill Archer, a Texas Republican, withdrew from consideration as speaker on Saturday. At this point, Livingston's only challenger as speaker is Rep. Christopher Cox, 46, a California Republican. Cox insisted Sunday that the race was wide open, saying 90 members told him they would support him -- or at least consider supporting him. ``What is at stake here is not just the future of the House of Representatives but the future of Congress and the country,'' Cox told ``Face the Nation'' on CBS. <> Rep. John Boehner of Ohio, scrambling to keep his leadership job as head of the House Republican Conference, appealed for party peace. ``Most members of the conference believe that with Newt's decision to leave, it's enough change,'' Boehner said on ABC. Boehner is being challenged by Rep. J.C. Watts of Oklahoma, the only black Republican in the House. <> In another political battle, Rep. Steve Largent of Oklahoma said he had contacted more than 100 members to get support for his bid to challenge Texas Rep. Dick Armey for the post of House Republican leader, the number two position. ``We have strong commitments from over half of the people we called,'' Largent maintained. An ABC poll said 70 percent of Americans favored Gingrich's stepping down. And 90 percent said the Republicans should find a speaker who tries harder than Gingrich did to work with Democrats. <> The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: boyd@seanet.com Subject: Re: Laugh til you cry, or vice versa. Date: 09 Nov 1998 09:51:36 -0800 But if you're in danger of diluting your beer with salt water, check out these headlines I just saw at excite.com: Politics News (Nov 9 9:28AM) Clear Path Now For Livingston To Speaker's Job U.S. High Court Denies White House Appeal On Lindsey U.S. High Court Allows Testimony By Clinton's Guards U.S. High Court Allows Religious School Vouchers Gingrich Resignation Backed By Most Americans - Poll Not all bad news. -Boyd Kneeland, Washington state Joe Sylvester wrote: > > <> > > 06:45 PM ET 11/08/98 > > Republicans vie for U.S. House leadership jobs > > > > By Eddie Evans > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Bob Livingston, the top contender to > replace Newt Gingrich as speaker of the House of , said Sunday > that Republicans must compromise with President Clinton and > other Democrats next year -- rather than try to dictate > legislation to them. > > <> > > Livingston said Republicans must acknowledge that voters > effectively rejected much of their conservative agenda in last > Tuesday's election when they cut their House majority by giving > Democrats a net gain of five seats. > ``With a margin of only 6 votes in the coming Congress, I'm > going to have to work with people who don't believe the same > (as) I do,'' Livingston told ABC-TV's ``This Week.'' > House Republicans are to meet Nov. 18 to elect their party > leaders for the new 106th Congress, which convenes in January. > Livingston is the front-runner to replace Gingrich, who last > Friday, in response to a Republican revolt, announced he would > not seek reelection as speaker, a post that is second in line, > behind the vice presidency, to the presidency. > Sunday TV talk shows took on the appearance of Republican > rallies as candidates for the speakership and other House > leadership posts campaigned for the jobs. > ``When you have slim margins ... you can't do everything > that you want,'' Livingston said. ``Our forefathers wrote a > constitution that gave us the opportunity to settle our > differences by compromise, not by dictate.'' > > < "budget", which included much that wasn't stricktly "budgetary", including > the gutting of the Smith Amendment, which would have made use of the Brady > II instant check as a de facto gun registration scheme at least a little > more difficult? King William I, seems to be able to dictate just fine, and > that when he *should* be the weekest of any lame duck>> > > Livingston reportedly has the backing of more than 100 > Republicans. He would need 112 of the 223 Republicans in the new > House to become speaker. > > <> > > Rep. James Talent of Missouri had considered running for the > job, but on Sunday announced he had decided instead to throw his > support behind Livingston. > House Ways and Committee Chairman Bill Archer, a Texas > Republican, withdrew from consideration as speaker on Saturday. > At this point, Livingston's only challenger as speaker is > Rep. Christopher Cox, 46, a California Republican. Cox insisted > Sunday that the race was wide open, saying 90 members told him > they would support him -- or at least consider supporting him. > ``What is at stake here is not just the future of the House > of Representatives but the future of Congress and the country,'' > Cox told ``Face the Nation'' on CBS. > > <> > > Rep. John Boehner of Ohio, scrambling to keep his leadership > job as head of the House Republican Conference, appealed for > party peace. > ``Most members of the conference believe that with Newt's > decision to leave, it's enough change,'' Boehner said on ABC. > Boehner is being challenged by Rep. J.C. Watts of Oklahoma, the > only black Republican in the House. > > <> > > In another political battle, Rep. Steve Largent of Oklahoma > said he had contacted more than 100 members to get support for > his bid to challenge Texas Rep. Dick Armey for the post of House > Republican leader, the number two position. > ``We have strong commitments from over half of the people we > called,'' Largent maintained. > An ABC poll said 70 percent of Americans favored Gingrich's > stepping down. And 90 percent said the Republicans should find a > speaker who tries harder than Gingrich did to work with > Democrats. > > < shudder to think what horrors will come from working more closely with the > Demcrats (read King William I) than Gingrich did when it really counted. I > can't even write my Congresscritter and urge him not to vote for the > "moderate" (read: more leftist) Livingston, as Ralph (my congresscritter) > is a Democrat>> > > The Second Amendment is the RESET button > of the United States Constitution. > ---Doug McKay" > > Joe Sylvester > Don't Tread On Me ! > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Laugh til you cry, or vice versa. Date: 09 Nov 1998 13:19:30 -0500 (EST) > >But if you're in danger of diluting your beer with salt water, check out >these headlines I just saw at excite.com: > >Politics News (Nov 9 9:28AM) > Clear Path Now For Livingston To Speaker's Job > U.S. High Court Denies White House Appeal On Lindsey > U.S. High Court Allows Testimony By Clinton's Guards > U.S. High Court Allows Religious School Vouchers > Gingrich Resignation Backed By Most Americans - Poll > >Not all bad news. -Boyd Kneeland, Washington state > Well, my guess is that it is now time for the Republicans to decide who they are, what they stand for, and what sort of compromises they will and will not put up with. Are the Republicans: o a party of old-line aristocrats and would-be aristocrats? o a party of cultural conservatives who want to dictate what is taught in schools, stop people from having abortions, and generally see a lot more God and a lot less moral decay? o a party of economic conservatives who want a smaller government, with more laissez-faire capitalism and individual freedom to succeed or fail? o a party for status quo, country-club moderates? o a party that is representative of large corporations and business interests? Right now, the R's are a little bit of all five. So, what's it going to be? I think that the revolutionary laissez-faire capitalist faction made an uneasy peace with the social conservatives and has now suffered a major setback. ciao, jcurtis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Re: Laugh til you cry, or vice versa. Date: 09 Nov 1998 12:15:16 -0600 (CST) > Republicans vie for U.S. House leadership jobs > > Livingston said Republicans must acknowledge that voters > effectively rejected much of their conservative agenda in last > Tuesday's election when they cut their House majority by giving > Democrats a net gain of five seats. > ``With a margin of only 6 votes in the coming Congress, I'm > going to have to work with people who don't believe the same > (as) I do,'' Livingston told ABC-TV's ``This Week.'' He has a point, the Congress just became more "Liberal", Republicans got a kick for being such whimps. If you are in charge of a bunch of Moderates you might as well sound moderate, he still has to get elected you know. The Rockefeller Liberals under the leadership of Newt blew it. I hope all the Republican leaders get the pink slip even one of my favorite, Dick Armey. At least they will know what happens when you don't win. These guys are the coaches of congress, how many coaches make it 2 years of loosing the games by playing with the same plays, few if any.. These guys can sound like whimps all they want in public, its the bills and how they are written that counts. I like the sound bite Texas Gov. Bush is using "Compassionate Conservatism". So in Texas we reformed welfare, have strong basic testing of all grades in public schools "TAS", and we kill more death row slime than any other state, and have conceal carry laws. If Compassionate Moderate Conservativism wins elections then fine..I can't think of many "Liberal" laws Gov. Bush has pushed in Texas.. Winning is all that matters in politics and war. Regards, Paul Watson - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: Laugh til you cry, or vice versa. Date: 09 Nov 1998 12:40:32 -0600 At 09:51 AM 11/9/98 -0800, boyd@seanet.com wrote: >But if you're in danger of diluting your beer with salt water, check out >these headlines I just saw at excite.com: > >Politics News (Nov 9 9:28AM) > Clear Path Now For Livingston To Speaker's Job > U.S. High Court Denies White House Appeal On Lindsey > U.S. High Court Allows Testimony By Clinton's Guards > U.S. High Court Allows Religious School Vouchers > Gingrich Resignation Backed By Most Americans - Poll > >Not all bad news. -Boyd Kneeland, Washington state Looks like the time for a direct second amendment appeal to the Supreme Court is now. IMHO, the Brady II madness should be the vehicle. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: Laugh til you cry, or vice versa. Date: 09 Nov 1998 12:46:33 -0600 At 12:15 PM 11/9/98 -0600, Paul M Watson wrote: >Posted to texas-gun-owners by Paul M Watson > >He has a point, the Congress just became more "Liberal", Republicans got a >kick for being such whimps. If you are in charge of a bunch of Moderates But if they got kicked for being wimps, why annouce to the world that you are going to be even more wimpy? Doesn't sound like the way to rally the faithful, but rather the faithless. And given that is the "wining" strategy, it bodes ill for the future. For example, how is "working more closely with the Democrats, going to get the new version of the Smith amendment passed? The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Re: Laugh til you cry, or vice versa. Date: 09 Nov 1998 13:31:50 -0600 (CST) > But if they got kicked for being wimps, why annouce to the world that you > are going to be even more wimpy? Doesn't sound like the way to rally the > faithful, but rather the faithless. And given that is the "wining" > strategy, it bodes ill for the future. For example, how is "working more > closely with the Democrats, going to get the new version of the Smith > amendment passed? Because, to beat Clinton at his own game you have to say what ABC will report to the soccer Moms to sound good. Then you support what ever you like in the bills. Clinton is a master at this, what he says never matches what he does. We can say we are working with the Democrats and be nice and never support or pass a thing they support. I doubt thats what the current Republicans are doing but we will see.., If JC Watts is in there we have a chance.. This is not for the faithful its for the current moderates who just got control of Congress. The question is how have these new leaders voted and supported Liberty in the past? anyone know.. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Re: Laugh til you cry, or vice versa. Date: 09 Nov 1998 14:47:18 -0600 At 01:31 PM 11/9/98 -0600, Paul M Watson wrote: >Posted to texas-gun-owners by Paul M Watson >> strategy, it bodes ill for the future. For example, how is "working more >> closely with the Democrats, going to get the new version of the Smith >> amendment passed? > >Because, to beat Clinton at his own game you have to say what ABC will >report to the soccer Moms to sound good. Then you support what ever you >like in the bills. Clinton is a master at this, what he says never matches >what he does. We can say we are working with the Democrats and be nice and >never support or pass a thing they support. I doubt thats what the current >Republicans are doing but we will see.., Clinton gets away with this because, for the most part, the major media, and the Washington based reporters of the others, *agree* with Clinton's agenda. Remember "its about issues", not perjury, subornation of perjury, and obstruction of justice, not to mention doing the hired help, which would get any CEO, principal, etc fired faster than you can say "agenda". The republicans would never get away with it. There is no way for the Republicans to proceed except by out in the open, strait up the middle, advocacy of their core agenda. They must dare Billy to veto bills and make sure the American people understand who did it, when they don't get a tax cut, or the marriage tax is not repealed, or a particularly odious bit of previous law is not repealed. Sorry to be a such a negative mood, but I call them as I see them. >If JC Watts is in there we have a >chance.. This is not for the faithful its for the current moderates who >just got control of Congress. The question is how have these new leaders >voted and supported Liberty in the past? anyone know.. Did the moderates *really* get control of Congress? I've read that many of the new Democrats were run by the party *because* they were not "moderate" or even leftist, but rather stood with the Republicans on many hot button issues. Of those Republicans ousted, how many were so called "moderates" ? I think what we are seeing is media "spin" that is really over the line into advocacy. Newt, however immoderate his speach might have been at times, was essentially a moderate, a compromiser, as Livingston proclaims himself to be. All I see is more of the same, only worse. Forget about repealing the Ugly Gun Ban or the Instant Registration scheme, we'll be on the defensive trying to prevent registration of currently owned firearms before Clinton's term is up. Billy Boy seems to be intent on regulating private party sales, within a state, by executive fiat. After all, how can they be assured that all sales are being run through the instant registration system, if they don't know who owns the guns now. Of course we all know what follows registration. Can't happen here? It is happening here, now, and all the "moderate" Republicans in the country won't stop it. I don't know if anything can stop it at this point. Perhaps through the courts, since that is really the only branch of "the system" left to "work through", and the record there is only slightly encouraging. Actually at the Supreme Court level, when we can get a hearing, its quite encouraging, but at levels below that, very discouraging. Where is the injunction, or even the suit to obtain one, against the patently illegal implementation of the instant check system? Of course the failure to pass the Smith Amendment bodes ill for such a suit, as it seems the "will of Congress", is to accept the executive branches "interpretation" of phase II of Brady. Does anyone recall understanding 5 years ago that phase II, the instant check, would apply to long guns? I don't, but since terms are not redefined in the phase II language to mean what they meant in the phase I language, BATF, FBI, and of course King William I, have decided that they mean what *they* want them to mean, rather than what they were defined to mean in the phase I language. I hold out little hope for a party who can't make charges of perjury, etc, stick, and won't even inquire into 'treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdomeaners", as part of the impeachment inquiry. BTW, does anyone on the list know about how many people turned out in Dallas and/or Houston for the anti-Brady II rallies. The numbers in Austin, only a couple of hundred or so I think, were extremely disappointing, considering the fair amount of advance publicity the rally got, and especially so considering the high quality of the speakers, including those of local, statewide and national prominence. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: Re: Laugh til you cry, or vice versa. Date: 09 Nov 1998 15:22:52 -0600 (CST) > Did the moderates *really* get control of Congress? I've read that many of > the new Democrats were run by the party *because* they were not "moderate" > or even leftist, but rather stood with the Republicans on many hot button > issues. Of those Republicans ousted, how many were so called "moderates" ? By the fact that we have more Democrats who tend in general to vote with their party yes, moderates got more power, because there are more Democrats to now vote with the 30% Liberal Republicans to block more Conservative or Libertarian bills. I have to agree with the just of what you said but I still have a different view. If we had real Libertarian bills that were supported instead of killed by the whimp Moderate Newt Rockefeller Republicans we could have kicked the Socialist butts. But the Moderates by nature are whimps and never won a war or battle only reduce bad bills to not as bad bills. But, they lost the last 2 elections first with Bob Dole the Liberal dull old insider and now the do nothing scared whimps, thank God they are now gone. The FBI files Clinton stole obviously had enough blackmail ability on the Republicans that he shut them down. We need a clear agenda, less federal government not better run government. Until we get a clear agenda of more freedom from less government, gun owners have no chance because big government is on the rise not freedom. Regards, Paul Watson - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Marine officer probed for blasting Clinton Date: 11 Nov 1998 12:53:24 -0600 <> Marine officer probed for blasting Clinton ---- By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES ---- A reserve Marine Corps officer is under investigation for advocating the impeachment of President Clinton in an article in The Washington Times on Monday. Maj. Gen. David Mize, commander of Marine Forces Reserve in New Orleans, has appointed a colonel to conduct a preliminary inquiry into reserve Maj. Daniel J. Rabil. In a Times op-ed column, Maj. Rabil called for the president's removal. He labeled Mr. Clinton a "lying draft dodger" and "moral coward" who has "always had contempt for the American military." Maj. Paula Buckley, Gen. Mize's spokeswoman, said the investigating officer will determine whether Maj. Rabil violated Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). The code prohibits officers from making disparaging remarks about certain public officials, including their commander in chief. Maj. Rabil is the second Marine officer to come under investigation for criticizing Mr. Clinton's sexual misconduct. The Marines on Oct. 16 appointed an officer to investigate Maj. Shane Sellers, a 20-year veteran who referred to Mr. Clinton as an "adulterous liar" in a Navy Times article. Under the headline in The Washington Times, "Please Impeach My Commander in Chief," Maj. Rabil questioned whether officers should follow the orders of a president who had an affair with Monica Lewinsky and lied about it. "Should we be asked to follow a morally defective leader with a demonstrated disregard for his troops?" Maj. Rabil wrote. "The answer is no, for implicit in the voluntary oath that all servicemen take is the promise that they will receive honorable civilian leadership. Bill Clinton has violated that covenant. It is therefore Congress' duty to remove him from office." Maj. Rabil also accused Mr. Clinton of being "integrity impaired" and blamed his military social policies for the 1996 suicide of Adm. Jeremy Boorda, the chief of naval operations. "It is immoral to impose such untrustworthy leadership on a fighting force," said Maj. Rabil, who acknowledged his biting criticism could result in losing his commission. Maj. Buckley said that Maj. Rabil can only be punished under the UCMJ if he wrote the article while on a weekend drill, active duty or some other official Marine duty. However, even if Maj. Rabil penned the criticism while a civilian, he can be administratively punished, she said, with something as mild as counseling or as stiff as dismissal from the Corps. Maj. Rabil, who works for a Phoenix marketing firm, could not be reached for comment yesterday. Maj. Buckley said that Gen. Mize became aware of the article after someone faxed the command a copy of Monday's "Early Bird," a Pentagon reproduction of news stories that contained Maj. Rabil's commentary. "I don't know what the exact sequence of events were," she said. "The information was disseminated up to the general and he made the decision he needed to appoint an investigating officer." Mr. Clinton's sexual adventures have stirred intense debate inside the military. Adultery and fraternization -- the kind of behavior Mr. Clinton exhibited with Miss Lewinsky -- are not only frowned upon in the military, they are against the law. Officers and enlisted personnel can be imprisoned or dishonorably discharged for such misconduct. But the Pentagon and White House maintain that the strong opinions expressed by Maj. Sellers -- and now by Maj. Rabil -- are the exception. Lt. Col. Scott Campbell, a Marine spokesman at the Pentagon, said the Corps has an obligation to review such cases. "I can't speculate on how most Marines feel about their civilian leadership, nor why two Marines felt compelled to write publicly about their feelings," Col. Campbell said. "I believe most Marines understand the intent and implications of Article 88, that ours is a system based on civilian authority over the military and that we were sworn to an oath to support and defend the Constitution, underscored by the Uniform Code of Military Justice." Tod Lindberg, the Times editorial page editor who decided to publish the article, said: "I had no trouble reaching the conclusion that somebody with the determination to come forward and speak his mind about President Clinton, despite the known risks to career, certainly deserved to be heard. We expect to have robust debates in The Times on this subject." The House Judiciary Committee opened hearings this week into whether Mr. Clinton should be impeached for lying about his affair with Miss Lewinsky. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Ferris Subject: "Thanks, But No Thanks", Mr. President Date: 11 Nov 1998 10:09:53 -0500 (EST) November 11, 1998 The Honorable William J. Clinton The White House Washington, D.C. 20500 Dear Mr. President: It is my birthday today, Mr. President. That is no big deal. But, far more importantly, today is the hallowed day when our great nation remembers the noble sacrifice of many generations of American veterans who answered freedom's call, who donned military uniforms and who took up arms to defend our Constitution in times of peril. I was a peacetime soldier who served proudly on active duty during the late 1970s and early 1980s. Due to the grace of God, I never had to fire a shot to safeguard our liberty. However, Sir, I do not have enough fingers on both hands to count the number of my family members who served with valor during the War between the States, World War I, World War II, Korea and Vietnam. Duty, honor and love of Country run deep in my family, Mr. President. We always responded when our Country called us, and two of us, over the years, were returned to our native soil in flag-draped coffins. We remember well their courage, and we will celebrate forever their selfless devotion to the United States of America. Mr. President, you will understand why I have to say, "Thanks, but no thanks", as you skulk over to Arlington National Cemetery later today to open your mouth and let pour forth hollow words which have no meaning, as you attempt in vain to curry favor with a unique constituency, that Cemetery's Caucus of Honor, a special interest group of very special men and women who surely see through your emptiness and who know a dishonorable rogue, an amoral charlatan and an abject coward when they see one. So, "Thanks, but no thanks", Mr. President. I, as only one veteran, would prefer that you remain silent on this day of celebration and that you hide beneath your desk in the Oval Office. There is no need for you to sully the memory of veterans' service and sacrifice with your presence and your yellow-tinged shadow. Allow grateful American citizens of character and living veterans who realize that freedom isn't free to express sincere thanks to the hundreds of thousands of heroic veterans who have made the ultimate sacrifice to solidify the U.S.A.'s status as the land of the free and the home of the brave. Do veterans a favor, Mr. President, and just stay home today. Loathe America's veterans in private, while the rest of us in the U.S.A. honor and thank our veterans with unabashed pride, with wide smiles, with hearty waves, with rousing cheers, with silent prayers and with tears of remembrance. Respectfully, Christopher C. Ferris 186 Coburn Woods Nashua NH 03063-2860 ferriscc@mainstream.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sabutigo@teleport.com Subject: Re: "Thanks, But No Thanks", Mr. President Date: 11 Nov 1998 19:34:39 -0700 Thanks, Chris. Blessings to you and your family. I hope you are aware, though, that you have now been added to "the list" of our cowardly Liar-in-Chief. At 10:09 AM 11/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >November 11, 1998 > >The Honorable William J. Clinton >The White House >Washington, D.C. 20500 > >Dear Mr. President: > >It is my birthday today, Mr. President. That is no big deal. But, far more >importantly, today is the hallowed day when our great nation remembers the >noble sacrifice of many generations of American veterans who answered >freedom's call, who donned military uniforms and who took up arms to >defend our Constitution in times of peril. I was a peacetime soldier who >served proudly on active duty during the late 1970s and early 1980s. Due >to the grace of God, I never had to fire a shot to safeguard our liberty. > >However, Sir, I do not have enough fingers on both hands to count the >number of my family members who served with valor during the War between >the States, World War I, World War II, Korea and Vietnam. Duty, honor and >love of Country run deep in my family, Mr. President. We always responded >when our Country called us, and two of us, over the years, were returned >to our native soil in flag-draped coffins. We remember well their courage, >and we will celebrate forever their selfless devotion to the United States >of America. > >Mr. President, you will understand why I have to say, "Thanks, but no >thanks", as you skulk over to Arlington National Cemetery later today to >open your mouth and let pour forth hollow words which have no meaning, as >you attempt in vain to curry favor with a unique constituency, that >Cemetery's Caucus of Honor, a special interest group of very special men >and women who surely see through your emptiness and who know a >dishonorable rogue, an amoral charlatan and an abject coward when they see >one. > >So, "Thanks, but no thanks", Mr. President. I, as only one veteran, would >prefer that you remain silent on this day of celebration and that you hide >beneath your desk in the Oval Office. There is no need for you to sully >the memory of veterans' service and sacrifice with your presence and your >yellow-tinged shadow. Allow grateful American citizens of character and >living veterans who realize that freedom isn't free to express sincere >thanks to the hundreds of thousands of heroic veterans who have made the >ultimate sacrifice to solidify the U.S.A.'s status as the land of the free >and the home of the brave. Do veterans a favor, Mr. President, and just >stay home today. Loathe America's veterans in private, while the rest of >us in the U.S.A. honor and thank our veterans with unabashed pride, with >wide smiles, with hearty waves, with rousing cheers, with silent prayers >and with tears of remembrance. > >Respectfully, > >Christopher C. Ferris >186 Coburn Woods >Nashua NH 03063-2860 >ferriscc@mainstream.net > > > >- > > S. Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: linzellr@datastar.net (Robert Linzell) Subject: Term Limits & Republicans Date: 11 Nov 1998 22:33:45 -0600 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Excerpted from: Cato Online Update Vol. 3 No. 10 November 9, 1998 http://www.cato.org ====================================================================== Welcome to the latest issue of the Cato Online Update, your guide to what's new on the Cato Web site. For instructions on how to unsubscribe from the Update, see the end of this message. Under the description of each item you will find a URL address. To access that document, enter the address into your web browser, or visit the main site at http://www.cato.org and browse around. In this issue: - - Washington vs. Silicon Valley, Annual Cato Institute/Forbes ASAP Conference on Technology and Society - - The Moral Case for Social Security Privatization - - Dismal Science Fictions: Network Effects, Microsoft, and Antitrust Speculation - - Term Limits and the Republican Congress: The Case Strengthens - - The Government's War on Mergers: The Fatal Conceit of Antitrust Policy - - Common Cents, Common Dreams - - A Life of One's Own: Individual Rights and the Welfare State - - The Case for a Russian Currency Board System ====================================================================== [snip....] ====================================================================== October 28, 1998 STUDY OF CONGRESSIONAL VOTING CONFIRMS PUBLIC BELIEF ABOUT NEED FOR TERM LIMITS Longer-serving Republicans are reason for GOP's failure to honor campaign promises "One of the most significant reasons for the GOP's failure to tame the budget is that senior Republicans have not lived up to the party's campaign promises," according to a new Cato Institute study that examined voting behavior of members of Congress on 31 of the most significant budget, tax and regulatory issues since 1995. The findings "suggest that if the public wants Congress to reduce the size and scope of government, term limits may be imperative." In "Term Limits and the Republican Congress: The Case Strengthens," author Aaron Steelman notes that in nearly every one of the 31 votes, "junior Republicans (members who had served 6 years or less in the House and 12 years or less in the Senate) favored fiscal discipline in far greater numbers than did senior Republicans. Indeed, in some cases junior Republicans were more than twice as likely to vote for spending or tax cuts as were senior Republicans." Steelman notes that "many people on the right of the political spectrum who are skeptical about term limits have argued that, with Republicans in control of Congress, term limits are no longer necessary." But, he adds, "all lawmakers - Republicans, Democrats and Independents - are subject to the same pressures." And so it is not surprising that "the federal government, by almost every measure, is bigger today than it was on election day in 1994." Over time, Steelman points out, "lawmakers become more susceptible to the pro-spending arguments they are constantly exposed to and thus become more sympathetic to governmental activism. Typically, this shift in a pro-tax-and-spend direction is more dramatic for Republicans than for Democrats." Thus, "term limits may have a more profound impact on legislative outcomes when the GOP controls Congress." "Term limits are no panacea," the author concludes. "There always will be big spenders in Congress. But if Congress were term limited, there probably would be fewer big spenders -- particularly big-spending Republicans." Briefing Paper no. 41 http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-041es.html ====================================================================== [snip....] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Cato Institute welcomes ideas and feedback. Please send us E-mail at cato@cato.org. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use Comment: Get public key from iQA/AwUBNkplG+0M/FuXc0xJEQJ3ygCfZWlNNktX0kMHL5nroCpkypbF/awAn3Dz fjVeZu6jcsaksE1AHd7b99C+ =1MPE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Your tax dollars at work Date: 12 Nov 1998 00:41:22 -0600 Read it and weep http://www2.whitehouse.gov/WH/New/99Budget/index.html Blantent partismship posturing, with your tax dollars. The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: The 3ed way, Clinton Socialism (fwd) Date: 12 Nov 1998 12:30:19 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- E D I T O R I A L S Third Way A Hard Left Turn Buried beneath last week's elections headlines lurks a threat. It will be masked as a fresh approach to policy - a new ''Third Way'' to solve problems. But it's a tired system that's left too many Western economies in shackles. Among its top patrons is President Clinton. Emboldened by Democrats' good showing and a feeling that voters absolved him of his ''private'' failings, he's convinced they want more of his policies. It's a perfect chance for him to revive his campaign for a presidential legacy. His vehicle: the Third Way. The elections may have provided him with an ally. Poor GOP results chased Speaker Newt Gingrich from office, leaving Louisiana Rep. Bob Livingston to take his post. Livingston has pledged to work with Democrats, which might amount to being a partner to Clinton's agenda. While it's being pitched as ''The Big Idea'' by the left, the Third Way is nothing more than warmed-over European socialism. ''They have just found a new language for their old way, the way of high taxes and state control,'' said British Shadow Trade and Industry Secretary John Redwood, a Conservative. It won't work. The welfare states and social democracies of Europe - -especially Germany, France and Sweden - have shown clear examples of the potholes along the Third Way. In Germany, the cumulative effects of the welfare state have stifled the economy. It's been slumping for nearly six years. More than 4 million citizens - nearly 11% of the labor force - are unemployed. But that's not so bad for them. They get two-thirds of their salaries for 30 months in one of the world's most generous unemployment benefits schemes. After that, they get 57% - forever. Wealth transfers cut deeply. The top income tax rate of 53% begins at only $53,000 in annual earnings. Consumers are savaged by a 15% value- added tax. The corporate income tax rate is an investor-hostile 45%. ''At some point, this uber-Ponzi scheme will grind to a halt,'' writes Deroy Murdock, a fellow at the Atlas Economic Research Foundation. France is also famous for its problems. Unemployment is nearly 12%. Protests by students and farmers succeed in extorting more money from the endangered private sector. Government eats up almost 60% of the country's economy. High income and corporate tax rates and a 20.6% value-added tax are crippling enough. Add a business activity tax of 20% and a social contributions tax of up to 45%, and French citizens and businesses are in thrall to Paris' social planners. Sweden, long held up as the model for a successful social democracy, is a similar victim. Tax rates - to pay for the welfare state - were sharply hiked in the '70s. It was an economic bludgeon. Growth slowed by two-thirds. A doubling of the payroll tax at the same time - to 22% from 11% - -increased labor costs by 60% over three years. Closed plants and massive layoffs sent workers into the streets. ''Even the strongest companies ran losses,'' Nils-Eric Sandberg, an editorial writer at the Daily News in Stockholm and author of ''What Went Wrong in Sweden,'' told IBD. The unemployed were gathered into the rapidly expanding public sector. It became the country's largest employer. The trend was unsustainable. The public sector had to be trimmed. The result: unemployment, once as low as 2% before taxes were increased, ran at 10% in '90. By '97, what had been the third-richest nation in the world in '70 had fallen to 20th. All across Europe, governments have cut health-care benefits, hallmarks of their social democracies. A few years ago Britain, France and Germany had no choice but to limit access to health care because the system of free care was overwhelmed. For all its rhetoric about ''social justice,'' the Third Way offers nothing new. Socialist planning and authoritarian control will certainly temper the ''excesses'' of the free market. They will also leave citizens less free. Thankfully, Americans value their freedom more than do the people in the security-blanket countries of Europe. No matter how the Clintonites reads the results of elections here and abroad, there is no great call here for more government. More than 200 years of experience shows that the American way is the best way. (C) Copyright 1998 Investors Business Daily, Inc. ========================================================================== This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com. In the message body put: unsubscribe cas - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: TWA800: Stone Fires Back (fwd) Date: 13 Nov 1998 08:05:53 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Oliver Stone fires back at ABC after their sudden cancelation of his documentary on the TWA 800 Navy-missile theory, which will interview several of the eyewitnesses. Stone said that the major news organizations are "biased and slanted" and that they "can't get their facts right." Stone also notes how ABC was behind his project for six months, but then "all of a sudden, they shut it down" -- only a few days after Federal officials started insulting Oliver Stone. Reuters reports (11/12/98), with the perfect subtitle: STONE walled A day after issuing a statement decrying ABC's decision to ground ``Declassified,'' the special about TWA Flight 800 which he was preparing with journos Tom McMahon and Colby Atlas, director Oliver Stone denounced what he called a lack of guts by network news. ``The big issue for the news departments is profits, and I am always defending myself and being marginalized by major news organizations who, ironically, can't get their facts right,'' he said. ``Their news is always so biased and slanted, and they complain about alternate means of transmitting news, like the Internet. I was never the director, I was the producer and presenter, and I approved the scripts.'' Stone was bullish about setting up the project at TNT, which did his well-received documentary about the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy. ``The script is done, the show is ready to go, and there are a lot of witnesses not allowed to testify who saw the plane go down, and I think ABC just folded to pressure. I don't know where it came from, it could have been the FBI, or their response to a media furor. But it was so abrupt, considering they knew exactly what we were doing for six months. We weren't hiding anything, and then all of a sudden, they shut it down.'' _____________________________________________________________ REUTERS: DISH: Diaz hears 'Circus' roar. By Michael Fleming. Thursday November 12 8:16 AM ET http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/en/story.html?s=v/nm/19981112/en/film-d ish_21.html ___________________________________________ IAN GODDARD'S ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN JOURNAL ------------------------------------------- http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm - the critics are raving - "Shouldn't this be expunged?...[since] it is spreading fear and suspicion of the government." Lesley Stahl (CBS - 60 Minutes) Call the police! Newsday reports that "another site linked to Goddard's" is linked to another site that "pictures a woman's bare derrierre." BTW, I'm still (drool) looking for that site On CNN, a Federal official said Goddard's TWA 800 inquiry has caused "real damage." ergo: stopping Goddard = damage control GIVING THE BIG LIE A BLACK EYE WITH THE FIST OF ANALYTICAL INQUIRY ___________________________________________ IAN GODDARD'S ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN JOURNAL ------------------------------------------- http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Perrine Subject: For the Children Date: 15 Nov 1998 10:19:22 -0800 FOR THE CHILDREN By J. Peter Mulhern Last week's election setback for Republicans was far more modest than the triumphalist liberal press would have us believe. Nonetheless, it reminds us that the Democrats are armed to the teeth for the public relations wars. The big gun in their arsenal is compassion. Democrats never miss an opportunity to remind the electorate that theirs is the party dedicated to alleviating suffering through the magic of government intervention. Every Democrat campaign since the Great Depression has relied on some form of the following argument: "We want to relieve suffering, anyone who opposes us must want suffering to continue. Our opponents are therefore bad people. We care, they don't, so vote for us." If the electorate accepted this argument uncritically, Republicans couldn't hold their majority in both houses of Congress and among the nation's governors. Plainly many voters are skeptical of the Democrat claim to hold a monopoly on decency in American politics. Many others, however, fall for the compassion shtick every time. More than sixty years after Franklin Roosevelt first took that shtick on tour, Republicans are still fumbling around for some effective way to counter it. Their leaders mutter about lower taxes and keeping government at the local level while the troops wait in vain for a frontal assault on the liberal fortress. Why can't any Republican leader even try to make the powerful case that their Democrat opponents are power-hungry hypocrites who know as much about compassion as a pig knows about Sunday? Something in the GOP's institutional genes seems to make most Republicans congenitally apologetic. They should consider borrowing a page from the Democrat play book. Democrats typically enhance their compassion shtick by larding it with sentimental references to "our children." This nauseating sentimentality should be reversible. It turns out that, for all their rhetoric, liberals waste very little compassion on children who, after all, cannot vote. Republicans should present themselves as the only hope of saving our children from those inhuman Democrats. Consider the "womb-to-tomb" time-line of human existence. Liberals have their tentacles wrapped around the continuum from end to end. The results for most children are chilling. From conception until the point at which the child fully emerges from the birth canal, she is utterly without legal protection. The "compassionate" left has seen to it that the unborn child has the status of a used Q-Tip(TM). Good news for radical feminists, clearly a bad deal for the children. Liberals have done a great deal to make life harder for children fortunate enough to survive until birth. In their early years, thanks to the Hillary Clinton "It Takes A Village" crowd, they will see little of their parents. Government will use a combination of the stick and the carrot to keep parents away from home as much as possible. Taxes are the stick. The single largest item in most family budgets will be the taxes necessary to fund omnipresent government. If the tax burden doesn't drive a parent into full time work, the government will entice her away from home with the carrot of subsidized day care. Of course, our child may not have two parents. Many dedicated liberals have worked long and hard to make this more likely. Over the last twenty years relentless propaganda about the allure of "alternative" family structures has distorted our culture (remember Murphy Brown.) Decades of misguided welfare policy and even more misguided family law reforms have distorted it further. All these distortions came to us courtesy of our caring friends on the left who cheerfully sacrificed millions of children on the alter of social change. The liberal assault on our child rises to its peak when she reaches school age. If she is fortunate, she lives far away from a school district which has fallen victim to the supervision of the federal courts. If not, she may face a long bus ride to a school far from her home. Why? "Well, dear, the class looks so much prettier if there is a nice variety in the color of the students. So you see it really is much better for you to bear the burden of travel, don't you agree?" Thanks, Mom. The horrors of bad teaching, "outcome-based" education, political correctness, and debased curriculum which our child will face are too numerous to discuss here. All those horrors have a common theme. Liberals have perpetrated or perpetuated them for the purpose of protecting teachers, thus currying favor with the teachers unions. And so it goes. In college admissions and in her career, our child, if white, will labor under a civil disability, thanks to those caring Democrats and their compassionate affirmative action programs. If she marries she can't expect society to take her marriage seriously. Liberals are busily transforming what was once universally understood as a sacred covenant before man and God instituted for the procreation and raising of children into a mere "lifestyle option," no more significant than a homosexual partnership. Our child can expect to pay at least half of everything she ever earns in taxes, because Democrats can't possibly get by with less. She has every reason to fear that, after a life spent largely in servitude to the state, she may face state-sponsored euthanasia. Democrats are no more respectful of life as it draws to a close than they are of life before birth. It is astonishing what one can advocate in the name of compassion. Democrat compassion, like a Democrat tax cut, is targeted. It is reserved for likely Democrat voters. The left routinely ignores our children as it scrambles to reward its loyal supporters. Radical feminists get abortion on demand; members of certain minority groups get affirmative action, teachers get a quiet life unruffled by any demands for performance; homosexuals get "gay rights." Our children get the shaft. The left can be your friend if you want to be cared for and you are fortunate enough to belong to one of their pet groups. But most of the children will never be wards of the nanny state. The Democrats' compassionate concern for our children is as phony as a three dollar bill. Where is the Republican willing to say so? J. Peter Mulhern can be reached at jpmulh@aol.com Published in the Nov. 16, 1998 issue of The Washington Weekly Copyright 1998 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) Reposting permitted with this message intact - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fw: AK & HA received national press! Wash. Times Nov 9-15,1998, Election 98 pg. 13 (fwd) Date: 16 Nov 1998 01:33:23 PST On Nov 15, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The counteroffensive, on behalf of mainstream values, continues. Kevin McGehee North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Will somebody please tell Big Media to stop polluting the mainstream? -----Original Message----- Election 98 pg. 13 > Last Thursday evening I was listening to a homeschool parent who >was giving a presentation. During it, she mentioned that she had a >friend who teaches in the district. She said that the teacher told her >that they were required to attend two classes during the October >inservice. This was time that the public pays the teacher for inservice >training. These workshops were given by the NEA and GLSEN was the group >doing the presenting. The purpose of the classes is to prepare the >teachers for the Rainbow Curriculum which will be in use next year. The >Rainbow Curriculum is planned to be inserted into the Health Curriculum >from Kindergarten through 12th grade. It is to teach the students that >homosexuality is normal and just another family. > > A few of us who are aware of this began calling in on talk radio >and will call again on Monday. With the sentiments of the public >concerning traditional marriage as stated by the most recent election >this is going AGAINST the community and will cause confusion among our >youngest. > > The good news is that there is time to do something about it. >Perhaps taking out an ad would be good. We should use every possible >means at our disposal of preventing this curriculum from being placed in >this district. I doubt very much if the PTA is aware of this teacher >inservice program or that they would be in favor of it being used to >further the homosexual agenda AGAINST the will of the voters and >parents.... > >(Note: Some of you who read national news may remember a problem in New >York at the beginning of this decade in which a grandmother stood on the >back of a pick up truck and raised a protest against the use of the >Rainbow curriculum in New York City schools. She developed a large >following and was very successful in prevention.) > > Since this seems to be a National Education Association project, >perhaps the alternative concept of vouchers, tuition tax credits, or >school choice which they adamantly oppose will break their monopoly on >curriculum that is used in the public school. Also, their opposition to >private and homeschooling would indicate that those alternatives might >help break their influence over these young minds. > > Most importantly, however, is that we as parents do our job with >our children and hopefully they will model us in spite of the school >curriculum. > > One of many pieces of advice that ex-Sodomite Michael Johnston >brought out is that homosexuals need help and rather than get into >discussions on their terms, i.e. discrimination, civil rights, etc., >keep going back to the theme of how they need our help and there is help >and the success for those leaving the lifestyle. > > Also, I would add that it is important for readers to understand the >dangerous behavior, its affect on disease such as the bringing back >tuberculosis and other harm it does to those involved. One comment made >by someone who was not aware was that it is genetic. It is important to >make sure that people understand that it has not been proven to be >genetic and many people are turning away from it. See the next >article... > > OVERCOMING HOMOSEXUALITY SURFACES AS NATIONAL MOVEMENT > > (Washington D.C.)--Debate intensified this summer between activists >advocating acceptance of an active homosexual lifestyle and those >helping men and women overcome the same. The nation's Capitol became the >nation's "Town Square" as Anthony Falzarano, Director of DC-based >Transformation Christian Ministries, and other ex-homosexual leaders >publicly testified of their deliverance from homosexual activity and >offered to help others do the same. THE WASHINGTON POST , for the first >time on July 31, 1998, gave front-page notice to this growing national >movement. > >Information and helps are available from TCM at Tel >202-371-0800; Fax >202-371-0378; E-mail info@pfox.org; Web site or Exodus >International at Tel 206-784-7799; Fax: 206-784-7872; Web site >. > >[from NATIONAL REPORTS, "In America Today...) > > This would make a good letter to the editor!!! > >Sincerely, > > >Ruth 452-5538 > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: First National Impeachment Call-in Day (fwd) Date: 16 Nov 1998 01:30:13 PST On Nov 16, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] In a message dated 98-11-15 21:34:45 EST, gra@inetport.com writes: << From: gra@inetport.com Sender: owner-uwsa@uwsa.com To: gra@mail-gw2adm.rcsntx.swbell.net The first national call in day is being planned for Wednesday, Nov 18, 1998 by the Coalition for Equal Justice. A call-in day focuses calls on a few selected Members on each call-in day, thereby increasing effectiveness. The following have been tentatively selected to recieve calls on Wednesday: Rep. Mark Souder (R-Ind.) Rep. Billy Tauzin (R-La.) Rep. Tom Barrett (D-Wis.) Christofer Shays (R-CT) Robert Livingston(R-LA) American citizens have the Constitutional rights of equal justice and of impeachment. The Congress has a Constitutional duty to carry out a justified impeachment Impeachment protects citizens from someone who is unfit for office. A Congressional vote against a justified impeachment is a vote to destroy our system of equal justice. Congressmen have a Constitutional duty to protect our system of equal justice, not destroy it. >> =================================================================== uwsa@uwsa.com is an unmoderated mail list to discuss general government topics. 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Wade) > >On the 11th as usual, I marched in the Veterans Day Parade in >Indianapolis. The parade was so long that it started at 11:30 and we >didn't step off til 12:35 and we were not at the end of the line. > The wind was sharp, temp. about 48o and it was brisk. There was as >usual, a very poor turn out of spectators, but it did warm the heart >to see all the kids waving flags as we marched by. I will never >forget the wonderful woman standing at the curb on the west side of >Meridian St. who shouted "Thank You, thank you for serving our >nation". God Bless you who ever you are. > Who are these veterans?? >Some were dressed as Revolutionary War soldiers, carrying the flag of >Freedom, others in the uniform of the Civil War, WWI and WWII, Wake >Island Marine Defenders, Korea & Vietnam, Desert Storm; all hoping to >say to their fallen brothers, WE REMEMBER. > There was the ever present black flag of the POW/MIA, and all >of us saying inside our hearts, I WILL NOT FORGET. > I have read quite a lot about our founders but I can only imagine >the forging of this great nation. The road from there to here only >started as a path, just a few footsteps on unturned ground, without >much planning but filled with desire. > Our forefathers desired something, a dream that no-one had ever had >before, a rare jewel called Freedom. > President Clinton spoke on veterans day that we had all fought for >peace. That was never our intent. That is not the prize. Only a >socialist would say that. > Cuba has peace, China is at peace, North Korea is at peace, >Vietnam is at peace, but THEY DON'T HAVE FREEDOM. > After the Declaration of Independence was signed and George >Washington was made General over the Continental Army, just imagine >how he felt, when he looked upon his rag-tag un-disciplined group of >volunteers he had to use to keep this newly-formed nation from losing >to the greatest military leader of that time-Great Britain. > Washington's Army lost battle after battle and it seems that many >wondered how he would ever be able to hold the nation from total loss. >But time after time, when he would be missing, his closest aids and >companions would fine him on his knees for an hour or two at a time in >deep prayer, asking God Almighty for the strength to continue our >fight to establish FREEDOM. > As a final move, when pushed with only days remaining on the >enlistment of his poorly fed and clothed men, Washington made that >famous crossing of the Delaware to sack the Hesson camp, a most need >victory. His men could have quit at any time and secured peace. But >they knew that peace would been the price of chains and slavery, just >like what Patrick Henry said "is life so dear or peace so sweet as to >be purchased at the price of chains and slavery ? > Each and every veteran knows the price of Freedom. I pray each and >every day that time, and desire will bring to us a worthy, honest, >brave and reverent President like Washington. > Established as a uniting of sovereign states, this nation is like no >other on the face of this earth, totally unique in all of recorded >history. But , quoting from President Lincoln "it is the duty of >nations, as well as of men, to owe their dependence upon the >overruling power of God. We have been the recipients of the choicest >blessings of heaven. We have been preserved, these many years, in >peace and prosperity, We have grown in numbers, wealth and power as >no other nation has ever grown; but we have forgotten God ! We have >forgotten the gracious Hand which preserved us in peace and >multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly >imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings >were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own." > As our fighting veterans of WWII brought victory to the world with >the defeat of the Axis powers and Japan, we found our great nation in >a abundant position. As the 1940's ended, we hit a peak, possessing >over half the wealth of the world and about three times more gold >reserves than the rest of the world . > We produced 60 percent of the world's steel, 73 percent of the >worlds vehicles, 51 percent of all gasoline used around the globe. > As of 1995, we had fallen to be the biggest debtor nation, with >combined private and corporation, and government debt topping >over 30 trillion dollars. (Note From;WJB: - As of 1998, Government >Composite liquid investments funds, City, County, State and Federal >are equal to 60 trillion + ) > We can communicate perfectly with the space crafts on moon landings >but the average man on the street can't even communicate with his wife >or neighbor. To quote column writer James Reston " we are >overpopulated, undercivilized, divided, corrupted, and bewildered, >destitute of faith and terrified of skepticism. War, crime, >pollution, racial tention, political cynicism and pessimism are our >companions." > America has, in these few short years, fallen to a position of >virtual moral, financial and spiritual bankruptcy. > This past year alone, we have been startled by the school shootings >of kids killing kids, of small 14 year old kids killing 8 year old >kids, of 8 year olds raping 6 year olds. Is this the great society?? > Man has options, he always has had options. We either condemn or >condone every action we see or know about. We have choices. > One of my suggestions: read the book "Our Sacred Honor" by >William J. Bennett; a collection of inspiring stories, letters, poems >and speeches by our founders. > Read your Bible over and over , for within its pages is contained >the rules of life. Re-establish Honor, Virtue, Intregrity, Moral >values so necessary to preserve all life. > Most of all, on your knees, tell God that you love his and need him >every moment of every day. Decide to make a change, a difference to >live right and true to Christ. > >To all my veteran brothers and sisters, Happy Veterans Day. > >Respectfully > >Jim Wade, >USMC >-- >****************************************************************** > E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group > P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 > Grove City, OH 43123 > > Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse > 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.) > >http://www.infinet.com/~eplurib eplurib@infinet.com >****************************************************************** > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: The editor is right. (fwd) Date: 16 Nov 1998 17:07:02 PST On Nov 16, Doug Spittler wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] >Police shooting victim files lawsuit Children finally turned over to >grandmother in Sallisaw >By David M. Bresnahan >Copyright 1998 WorldNetDaily.com > >[Editors Note: Folks, the sooner we decriminalize drugs, >the better off we will be for many reasons.] > > > The victim of a police shooting in Sallisaw, Oklahoma, has filed a >federal lawsuit to recover damages, and officials still refuse to >provide information to the public. > >Press reports and talk-radio hosts across the nation have referred >to the actions of Sallisaw Police on Oct. 23 as "Gestapo tactics." >Police stormed into a trailer home and shot Patricia Eymer while >she was holding her 4-year-old daughter. An infant was only a few >feet away, and a 13-year-old daughter passed out in fear and >shock. > >Eymer was shot in the right shoulder, and is recovering. It is still >unknown whether doctors will be able to perform a shoulder >replacement, or if she will lose her arm, according to Eymer. > >"We filed a 1983 civil rights suit in federal court," said Daniel >George, Sallisaw attorney for Eymer. "The officer and city have >not yet been served, nor do they know of it. It's fairly obvious that >a .45 caliber slug in the shoulder will tend to violate your civil >rights." > >Despite the criticisms being raised, the Sallisaw mayor, the >Sallisaw Police Department, the Sequoyah County sheriff's office, >the district attorney, and the Oklahoma State Bureau of >Investigation have all refused to provide information to >WorldNetDaily. Repeated and frequent attempts to get information >have been met with silence. > >Mrs. Eymer has not been charged, however her husband, Steven >Eymer, and some guests in her home were arrested on drug >charges. The evidence listed in court records does not identify any >"controlled dangerous substance" or marijuana to support the >charges made. > >Detective Larry Blount led a team of Sallisaw officers on a drug >raid at the Eymer home. He was assisted by officers Dawn >Jerman, David Bethany, Freeman (first name unknown), and John >Owens. Travis Holman is mentioned in the evidence report, but >the police claim he is not an officer and they will not say who he >is. > >George has identified Owens as the shooter in his suit. > >Police refuse to explain what evidence they had to justify the need >for the search, nor will they explain why it was necessary to >conduct a no knock search in a pre-dawn raid. Neighbors say they >believe another neighbor falsely told police that the Eymers were >making methamphetamine and selling drugs. > >The warrant states that Detective Blount showed "probable cause" >that there was evidence at the Eymer home that would result in a >charge of "unlawful possession and/or distribution of controlled >dangerous substances." Specifically, the warrant authorized a >search for methamphetamine, and the items associated with its >manufacture and sale. > >No such items were listed in court records of evidence found by >police. > >The fact that they live in a very modest single-wide mobile home >with no telephone is evidence of their income level, according to >George. Both cars owned by the Eymers do not operate and are in >need of repair. The family's income is extremely low. The attorney >pointed out that there was no evidence the Eymers were making >money selling drugs. The evidence list provided by the court does >not list any drugs found in the home, although it does list some >marijuana pipes. > >Mr. Eymer said their behavior and the evidence obtained did not >warrant the dramatic entrance of the police into the home. He also >said there was no provocation to justify police firing at his wife. >Everyone in the home cooperated with police and offered no >resistance, he said. > >The Eymers' three children were taken by child protective services. >Grandparents arrived the day of the shooting and were not >permitted to take custody of the children, or even see them. They >said they were concerned about the needs of the children after >witnessing a traumatic event, and they could not find out if the >children were getting emotional help. > >Three days after the shooting, Mrs. Martha Smyrl, who is Mrs. >Eymer's mother, finally saw the children for a few minutes at a >court hearing. > >"The 5-year-old, when I seen her in court, she came running to me >and said, 'Grandma I want to come home with you.' She said, >'Grandma, Mama's been shot.' I told her, I said, 'Honey, Mama's >okay. She's doing fine. I had to keep her calm," explained Mrs. >Smyrl. > >"They won't tell us nothing about the kids," said Mrs. Smyrl -- >more than a week after the shooting. "They wouldn't tell me where >they were at. I couldn't see them. I'm their grandmother. I >practically helped raise these kids. This is what I don't understand." > >Mr. Smyrl said he was told that Oklahoma would not give custody >to relatives who live out of state. The Smyrls live in Texas. After >Mrs. Smyrl began looking for a place to rent, she was told the only >place acceptable for her to have the children would be in Sallisaw. > >Mr. Eymer says the traumatic experience the children went >through, and the lack of contact with family members is a form of >child abuse. > >The children were finally turned over to Mrs. Smyrl earlier this >week. She said a great deal of grief for the family and the children >could have been avoided if she was given custody earlier. > >There are still many unanswered questions about this case, and >police continue their silence. Mrs. Eymer said she and her family >are being followed by police wherever they go. The apparent >intimidation has made her more determined to proceed with her >federal lawsuit. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: U.S. couple loses suit against gun maker (fwd) Date: 17 Nov 1998 05:46:54 PST On Nov 17, Bob Mueller wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] 11:21 PM ET 11/16/98 Bereaved U.S. couple loses suit against gun maker OAKLAND, Calif. (Reuters) - The parents of a boy who died while playing with a gun lost their bid Monday to force handgun maker Beretta U.S.A. to pay damages for failing to include safety features on the pistol that killed him. In a case watched closely on both sides of the debate over gun control, a 12-member jury sided with Beretta in the wrongful-death lawsuit that Lynn and Griffin Dix of Berkeley filed against the company after their son, Kenzo, 15, was killed in 1994. The boy died as he and a schoolmate were playing with his father's Beretta 9 mm semiautomatic handgun. Apparently unaware that a bullet remained in the chamber, the friend fired the gun at Kenzo and killed him. Lawyers for Beretta, which is headquartered in Italy, had argued that responsibility for the death lay with Griffin Dix, for leaving a loaded gun in a camera bag, and Kenzo's friend, for ignoring basic rules of gun safety. The Dixes had claimed that the gun manufacturer should have designed the weapon with features to prevent unauthorized users from firing it. Gun control supporters had hoped the case would usher in a wave of product liability lawsuits against gun manufacturers. It was not immediately known whether the Dixes would appeal Monday's ruling. ^REUTERS@ Bob Mueller - Consultant Compuware Corporation THE UNITED STATES TROTTING ASSOCIATION 614-224-2291 Ext. 3234 bmueller@ustrotting.com Get into Harness Racing at http://www.ustrotting.com [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Twinks in D.C. Date: 19 Nov 1998 14:34:52 -0500 (EST) Here's some thoughts. I'm slowly changing my mind on some of this L'Affaire Lewinski stuff. 1. Bill Clinton is a morals free old goat from a white trash state who thinks nothing of getting his XXXX XXXXed by an intern just out of her teens. 2. Monica is a morals free young piece of trash who finds herself in the White House and the thing she most wants to do is XXXX the President's XXXX. She sounds extremely young, not at all naive. 3. Linda Tripp is a morals free woman who thinks nothing of taping, coercing, running to the prosecutor's office, taking down spreadsheets of when the President's XXXX got XXXXed, etc. Whatever compassion for either the Prez, Monica, or the Nation she ever had is long sense gone. Its really a toss-up as to which one of the above is crazier than any of the others. I'll leave Ken Starr off the list, cause he appears to be a semi-diligent prosecutor who couldn't get solid evidence in filegate, whitewater, or The Miracle of the Billings Records, so he has pursued this perjury case. In short, I have *no* faith that anykind of "just" outcome is going to come out of this. Let the regieme roll on. jcurtis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Re: Twinks in D.C. Date: 19 Nov 1998 12:15:57 -0800 John Curtis wrote: > > Here's some thoughts. I'm slowly changing my mind on some > of this L'Affaire Lewinski stuff. > > 1. Bill Clinton is a morals free old goat from a white trash > state who thinks nothing of getting his XXXX XXXXed > by an intern just out of her teens. There is ample evidence over the long term to draw this conclusion. > > 2. Monica is a morals free young piece of trash who finds herself > in the White House and the thing she most wants to do > is XXXX the President's XXXX. She sounds extremely > young, not at all naive. There is ample evidence to draw this conclusion also. > > 3. Linda Tripp is a morals free woman who thinks nothing of > taping, coercing, running to the prosecutor's office, > taking down spreadsheets of when the President's XXXX got > XXXXed, etc. Whatever compassion for either the Prez, > Monica, or the Nation she ever had is long sense gone. This conclusion lacks foundation. Except for the Carville attack allegations, which only the ignorant take at face value, and only those who wish to obstruct justice repeat, I know of no evidence to pin down Tripp's motives or morals. Do you? One could just as well conclude that she observed activities in the White House that revolted her (as they would most of us), and since the media obviously weren't disposed to exercise their 1st Amendment keep-government-honest responsibilities against a Democratic administration (even one known to be lying to them), Tripp may have decided to gather evidence and become a "whistle blower" (as I would have if I had the courage). That motive would put her in a patriot class with Woodward and Bernstein, along with a grossly abused professional named Ken Starr. It comes down to a choice between the Clinton-Carville version or finding the truth. Take your choice. FWIW. Skip. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Twinks in D.C. Date: 19 Nov 1998 17:12:41 -0500 (EST) > >This conclusion lacks foundation. Except for the Carville >attack allegations, which only the ignorant take at face value, and >only those who wish to obstruct justice repeat, I know of no >evidence to pin down Tripp's motives or morals. Do you? > >One could just as well conclude that she observed activities in >the White House that revolted her (as they would most of us), and >since the media obviously weren't disposed to exercise their 1st >Amendment keep-government-honest responsibilities against a >Democratic administration (even one known to be lying to them), >Tripp may have decided to gather evidence and become a "whistle >blower" (as I would have if I had the courage). That motive would >put her in a patriot class with Woodward and Bernstein, along with >a grossly abused professional named Ken Starr. > >It comes down to a choice between the Clinton-Carville version >or finding the truth. Take your choice. > > hmmm. Maybe. I don't believe that the truth is something that the R's have a monopoly on. Carville is an attack dog for hire. Listen to the tapes of Tripp telling Monica to put the dress in a ziplock bag and put it with her treasures. Tripp taped her, trip told her how to handle evidence, Tripp went to the OIC. The FBI pulled Monica in, the special prosecuters pressured her with threat of prosecution to tell everything she knew. This is all consistent with a setup: Clinton - powerful political figure with a well-known weakness for daliances with young women Starr - squeaky clean front man Tripp - acted like an agent, telling Monica what to do, gathering evidence, taping her, reporting back to OIC and who knows else. Monica - honey trap. witting or unwitting. She walked into that office knowing she wanted to have a sexual affair with the Prez. and virtually everybody in the office knew what was going on. I don't think that the R's are acting as some squeaky clean speakers for morality here. I think that Clinton is a disgrace, and he was set up. Linda Tripp didn't act in any normal, defensible manner. How the heck did she wind up at the Pentagon with Lewinsky, anyway? I'd like to listen to the tapes instead of just the snippets we are getting. Apply the France test to all this. If this had happened in some far off land, would you doubt that the Prez's opponents set him up? What does a sane person do who is disgusted by the personal morals of the people she works with/for? She finds another damn job. She doesn't start telling people to collect semen samples (effectively), tape them, then run to the FBI and the OIC. Don't tell me Tripp was upset about a perjerous affidavit in a civil suit. She was acting as a political dirty operator. ciao, jcurtis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skip Leuschner Subject: Re: Twinks in D.C. Date: 19 Nov 1998 15:21:33 -0800 John Curtis wrote: > hmmm. Maybe. I don't believe that the truth is something > that the R's have a monopoly on. Carville is an attack > dog for hire. Never said they did. Why must this be a partisan issue? It's about truth, facts and logic (vs propaganda). Neither party is famous for any of these (except the latter). > > Listen to the tapes of Tripp telling Monica to put the > dress in a ziplock bag and put it with her treasures. > > Tripp taped her, trip told her how to handle evidence, > Tripp went to the OIC. The FBI pulled Monica in, the > special prosecuters pressured her with threat of prosecution > to tell everything she knew. > > This is all consistent with a setup: > It's also consistent with an experienced Washingtonian (of which Tripp is one, as I am also), who knows that little people (media excluded) can and will be destroyed if they take on the power establishment. The gutless defense against destruction is to adope the see/hear/speak no evil principle. But if patriotism gets the better of someone, the other defense is to build an irrefutable case against the powerful that the media would kill to get their hands on. That means documentation. Ask Tripp. I'm sure she now wishes she had adopted the gutless see/hear/speak no evil strategy, but something prevented her from doing that, and God bless her for having the courage. Otherwise, we would never have learned the facts and truth. What we do with them is a separate question, but I believe we're better off, and in far less danger of out-of-control government, knowing the facts/truth than not knowing it. Whatever her motives, Tripp is responsible. skip. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Curtis Subject: Re: Twinks in D.C. Date: 20 Nov 1998 09:36:25 -0500 (EST) > >It's also consistent with an experienced Washingtonian (of which >Tripp is one, as I am also), who knows that little people (media >excluded) can and will be destroyed if they take on the power >establishment. The gutless defense against destruction is to >adope the see/hear/speak no evil principle. But if patriotism > Skip, You make some good points here. The whole affair is pretty bogus and Tripp might have just concern for herself. I'm just noting that a switch flipped in my brain when I heard part of the tapes. I don't think either side comes out looking good on this. It looks like plots within plots. Maybe seats of high power have always looked like this. The only thing that makes me cheery about this is that Clinton is revealed as a lying sleazebag, and 90% of the public believe that. Its nice to have public what I've believed in private for a long time. The bad thing about this is the sheer number of people who have a totally confused morality or no discernable morality at all. Best guess on outcome: voted out of committee with recomendation to impeach. Not passed on the House floor. ciao, jcurtis - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harry Barnett Subject: Re: Twinks in D.C. Date: 20 Nov 1998 08:01:51 -0800 (PST) On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, John Curtis wrote: > The only thing that makes me cheery about this is that > Clinton is revealed as a lying sleazebag, True enough. That Clinton is a liar, and a sleazebag, that is. I'll take your word for it that you are cheery. > and 90% of > the public believe that. Would that it were true. I don't think it is anywhere near 90%. I would put the number at around 35-40%, maybe less. > Its nice to have public what > I've believed in private for a long time. The bad thing > about this is the sheer number of people who have a totally > confused morality or no discernable morality at all. Scary, isn't it? It probably scares them, too. That's why they can't face the truth. Stay low, keep moving, watch your six. > > Best guess on outcome: voted out of committee with recomendation > to impeach. Not passed on the House floor. It's a charade. The 900 files says he walks, period. It makes you kind of wonder what was IN those files that he has all those people by the gonads, doesn't it? You think YOU got problems. What about the next judge that has to hammer some petty criminal for perjury? "Hmmmm, do I hypocritically give this guy five years, and make him irreconcilably bitter? Or do I let HIM walk, too?" Think about it: Anybody, ANYBODY who is punished for lying under oath will be embittered about it, and will do what embittered people always do: try to get even. "Getting even" will probably focus on weak, vulnerable targets. Women, children, the elderly. Or even the first unlucky schmuck who stumbles into his life script. What the Congress is about to do is start to turn our cities into replicas of Johannesburg, South Africa. Take a look at what is happening there to get a glimpse of the future. (Not the propaganda from the "Mandela walks on water!" bunch: make contact with and talk to citizens who LIVE there. There is at least one Web Page, whose URL I can't find at the moment, that has daily updates on "Crime in South Africa".) Regards, Harry - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul M Watson Subject: FW: Ford's response to e-mails (fwd) Date: 24 Nov 1998 08:15:37 -0600 (CST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- It was reported last week that Ford Motor Company was flying a Vietnamese flag at it's headquarters in Dearborn. Here is the reply from John W. Spelich, Global News Director, Ford Motor Company. Ken Grubb Miami, FL ********************************************** > "Nwatch, Test (T.)" on 11/20/98 05:55:33 PM > To: Ian A MacDonald/Military Car Sales > cc: > Subject: Here is Ford's statement > E-Mail Ref #: 01-WNY-4721112 > > The Ford Motor Company World Headquarters building in Dearborn, > Michigan, has two major flag displays. The first is a > 70-foot-tall single flagpole that holds the American flag. A > second display, which lines the circular office driveway, contains > 42 40-foot-tall flagpoles. Using various national flags, these > poles form a graphic display of the countries in which Ford either > has a manufacturing investment, or a significant sales presence. > The American flag is part of that display. In 1995, the United > States normalized relations with Vietnam and opened an embassy in > Hanoi. In late 1997, and consistent with U.S. policy toward > Vietnam, we opened a small assembly plant in Vietnam to produce > trucks for sale in that market. As a result, the flag of the > nation of Vietnam is part of Ford's World Headquarters display. > > Earlier this week, we received a fair amount of comments from > customers and others via telephone and e-mail inquiring about our > flag displays, wondering about the configuration of our flag > display and asking why the American and Vietnamese flags were > adjacent to one another. After reviewing flag etiquette rules, we > determined that we had made an error in placing the American flag > on poles at both ends of the horseshoe shaped drive. > > The intent was to place the American flag in a primary position, > and then have the flags of our other markets follow in > alphabetical order, ending with Venezuela and Vietnam. We elected > to end this display with another American flag, which is why the > American flag was adjacent to the Vietnamese flag -- not the Viet > Cong flag, as was suggested in several of the e-mail notes. > > According to the laws governing a display of this type, we should > have flown only one American flag instead of two. As such, we are > moving immediately to reconfigure our flag display to ensure it > conforms with flag etiquette. > > From now on, the American flag in our driveway display will be in > the proper location in the row, to the left as the building is > viewed from the street. Starting with the flag of Argentina, our > other markets will follow in alphabetical order in the row, ending > in Vietnam. > > We are leaving the American flag on the larger single flagpole in > place. We want to thank everyone who called this issue to our > attention. > > As a separate issue, Ford Motor Company has supported financially, > and plans to continue to support, many veteran-related causes, > including the Disabled American Veterans. In 1986, Ford paid to > inscribe the names of 108 Americans killed during the war onto the > wall of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C. These > names had been omitted when the wall was dedicated in 1982. > > Sincerely, > > John W. Spelich > Director, Global News > Ford Motor Company > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Re: FW: Ford's response to e-mails (fwd) Date: 24 Nov 1998 12:17:58 -0500 It would be a great jesture if Ford would put the Vietnamese flag below a "POW/MIA" flag! Tom At 08:15 AM 11/24/98 -0600, you wrote: > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:29:58 -0500 (EST) >From: "Grubb, Ken" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: FW: Ford's response to e-mails > >It was reported last week that Ford Motor Company was flying a Vietnamese >flag at it's headquarters in Dearborn. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Sylvester Subject: Col. Cooper's Latest Date: 24 Nov 1998 22:55:15 -0600 http://www.concentric.net/~mkeithr/jeff/jeff6_12.html A couple of snippets: -- If you visit the Jefferson Memorial in Washington you will note that it is your civic duty to be politically incorrect. In gold letters around the inside of the rotunda President Jefferson declares unalterable opposition to "every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Political correctness is neither political nor is it correct. It amounts to social censorship, and the sooner we spit it out, the better. ---- The behavior of our federal and state ninja in their conduct of firearms investigations is quite peculiar. They seem given to explosive speech and foul language. In every case we have heard about recently the people who break down the door on the possibility that there may be an improperly registered weapon in the house give forth with language which makes law enforcement look bad. There is a curious violence about this whole matter which is hard for me to understand. In the two most flagrant cases - Waco and Ruby Ridge - all they had to do was ask, but when it appears that there may be even passive resistance to these midnight riders, they seem to lose all sense of balance. They not only disgrace themselves by their speech, but they frequently resort to physical force with no cause at all. Family member John Schaefer was on the receiving end of such an action in New Jersey recently, and he gave us a clear description of it at the reunion. And just last month in Taft, California, an honest shopkeeper, with no previous record of any kind, wound up dead behind his counter. The ninja reported that he had killed himself and then they had shot him three times after he was dead. I cannot put much credence in that story, but that is what appeared in the papers. Apparently a certain kind of enforcement type in this country operates in deadly fear, warranted or not. Up till now I have not heard of a victim who shot back and killed the law enforcement officer. (An exception was the initiation of action by shooting a pet dog at Ruby Ridge.) These people seem terribly afraid. One wonders of what. ---- Can't add a thing to that! ---- The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution. ---Doug McKay" Joe Sylvester Don't Tread On Me ! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Fwd: Subject: USA TODAY media hoax Date: 25 Nov 1998 07:21:50 -0500 >Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:52:38 -0500 >From: root >To: Tom Cloyes > >From: jpfo@dbeatty.worldweb.net >Subject: USA TODAY media hoax > > > USA TODAY REFUSES TO PUBLISH JPFO REBUTTAL TO ONE-SIDED "DEBATE" ON NEW > FIREARMS REGULATIONS > > USA TODAY does not want you to read this letter, when you do, you > will be aware of the part > they play in the "media hoax". Please forward this to everyone you can > think of. > > Offering two articles that agree with one another, and calling it a > "debate," is a classic technique of propaganda. USA Today joined the > ranks of master disinformers on its November 6, 1998 editorial page when > it published two pieces calling for more firearms regulation. It was a > case of Tweedledum vs. Tweedledee, to which JPFO objected promptly and > clearly. > > To date, USA Today has not printed JPFO's letter, even though the > letter fell within the length limits of their op-ed section and was sent > almost immediately. We can surmise that the editors could not abide the > embarrassment of the truth. The text of JPFO's letter follows below in > its entirety. > > The latest assaults on the right to keep and bear arms focus on "gun > safety" as the key issue. Watch how glibly the anti-gun rights > lobbyists will mix rhetoric about criminal misuse of firearms with calls > for trigger locks and other "safety" devices designed to prevent > accidental discharge. The American public who are as increasingly > unfamiliar with firearms as they are with detecting propaganda, may be > fooled by this latest trick. > > Take action right now! Every person reading this alert must send an > e-mail now to the editor of USA Today. Use the online form at: > > http://survey.usatoday.com/cgi-bin/feedback.cgi > > or call USA Today at (703) 276-3400. > -- ask why they refuse to acknowledge JPFO's message and > publish JPFO's response to its editorials. Ask why USA Today is apparently > afraid to publish JPFO's views. Urge USA Today to call on JPFO for truly > opposing views on "guncontrol" issues. We need thousands of people > to respond, please post and repost this message! > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Cloyes Subject: Fwd: USA TODAY media hoax Date: 25 Nov 1998 07:24:45 -0500 The other message was truncated, here's the complete one. Sorry for the waste of bandwidth. Tom >From: jpfo@dbeatty.worldweb.net >Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:29:56 -0500 >To: Tom Cloyes >Subject: USA TODAY media hoax > > >Dear e-mail subscriber, > > Due to a memory allocation error (stupid programmer) this message >was previously truncated (cut off). Please accept the humble apologies of your >webmaster (flames to root@dbeatty.worldweb.net) and read the whole >message below: > > > USA TODAY REFUSES TO PUBLISH JPFO REBUTTAL TO ONE-SIDED "DEBATE" ON NEW > FIREARMS REGULATIONS > > USA TODAY does not want you to read this letter, when you do, you > will be aware of the part > they play in the "media hoax". Please forward this to everyone you can > think of. > > Offering two articles that agree with one another, and calling it a > "debate," is a classic technique of propaganda. USA Today joined the > ranks of master disinformers on its November 6, 1998 editorial page when > it published two pieces calling for more firearms regulation. It was a > case of Tweedledum vs. Tweedledee, to which JPFO objected promptly and > clearly. > > To date, USA Today has not printed JPFO's letter, even though the > letter fell within the length limits of their op-ed section and was sent > almost immediately. We can surmise that the editors could not abide the > embarrassment of the truth. The text of JPFO's letter follows below in > its entirety. > > The latest assaults on the right to keep and bear arms focus on "gun > safety" as the key issue. Watch how glibly the anti-gun rights > lobbyists will mix rhetoric about criminal misuse of firearms with calls > for trigger locks and other "safety" devices designed to prevent > accidental discharge. The American public who are as increasingly > unfamiliar with firearms as they are with detecting propaganda, may be > fooled by this latest trick. > > Take action right now! Every person reading this alert must send an > e-mail now to the editor of USA Today. Use the online form at: > > http://survey.usatoday.com/cgi-bin/feedback.cgi > > or call USA Today at (703) 276-3400. > -- ask why they refuse to acknowledge JPFO's message and > publish JPFO's response to its editorials. Ask why USA Today is apparently > afraid to publish JPFO's views. Urge USA Today to call on JPFO for truly > opposing views on "guncontrol" issues. We need thousands of people > to respond, please post and repost this message! > > The text of the JPFO letter, sent via email on November 9, follows: > > November 9, 1998 > > Letters to the Editor > USA Today > 1000 Wilson Blvd. > Arlington, VA 22229 > > Dear Editor, > > USA Today's November 6 "Today's Debate" column used an old propaganda > trick: put up two articles that take the same view and call it a > "debate." The USA Today editorial argued that the federal government > should require trigger locks on all firearms. The "opposing view" came > from New Orleans Mayor Morial who thinks suing firearms manufacturers, > dealers, and trade associations is a good idea. > > Both articles were united in saying that the firearms suppliers are > responsible for people's misuse of guns. Both articles twisted > statistics to make their points. USA Today said: "14 children under age > 19 are killed each day of the year." The stat is silly: "children > under 19" includes 18-year old adults, and most of the deaths are of > elderly teenagers, not toddlers. USA Today's editorial wanted federally > mandated trigger locks on guns -- but most of these deaths were > intentional killings. Trigger locks don't stop gangs and murderers. > > Mayor Morial pulled the same statistical stunt. He wrote: "we don't > want to ban guns; we want guns made safer." He cited a single case of a > child killed by another child who found a loaded gun. All of his other > data was about criminal use of firearms, but he mixed it with rhetoric > about airbags and car bumpers. His proposal, to sue the suppliers, > won't stop gangs and murderers. > > To help prevent future one-sided "debates," our organization hereby > volunteers to provide a truly "opposing" view when the "Today's Debate" > feature next visits the "gun control" debate. > > (signed) > > Richard Stevens > Firearms Sentinel Editor > Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, Inc. > 2874 So. Wentworth Ave. > Milwaukee, WI 53207 > > (414) 769-0760 > > JPFO is America's most aggressive defender of your second amendment > rights. If you are not a member, why not join right now? Call JPFO at > (414) 769-0760 or visit our website for details, just > click on http://www.jpfo.org You can even use our secure online > membership form at : > > https://ssl.worldweb.net/jpfo/membrssl.htm > > Won't you join us in the fight to destroy "gun control"? > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Natl Call-in Day. Plz call ASAP (fwd) Date: 25 Nov 1998 10:43:22 PST For those who missed it, this is an addition to the call-in list demanding Impeachment. On Nov 25, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The following have been selected to be added to calls beginning on Tuesday. Please call. John Edward Porter (R-Ill) 202 225-4835 Peter King (R-NY) 202 225-7896 James Traficant (D-OH) 202 225-5261 Please call all three Wed. It's important. Rich Martin Editor of Slick [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fwd: USA TODAY media hoax (fwd) Date: 25 Nov 1998 10:44:08 PST On Nov 25, Tom Cloyes wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] The other message was truncated, here's the complete one. Sorry for the waste of bandwidth. Tom >From: jpfo@dbeatty.worldweb.net >Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:29:56 -0500 >To: Tom Cloyes >Subject: USA TODAY media hoax > > >Dear e-mail subscriber, > > Due to a memory allocation error (stupid programmer) this message >was previously truncated (cut off). Please accept the humble apologies of your >webmaster (flames to root@dbeatty.worldweb.net) and read the whole >message below: > > > USA TODAY REFUSES TO PUBLISH JPFO REBUTTAL TO ONE-SIDED "DEBATE" ON NEW > FIREARMS REGULATIONS > > USA TODAY does not want you to read this letter, when you do, you > will be aware of the part > they play in the "media hoax". Please forward this to everyone you can > think of. > > Offering two articles that agree with one another, and calling it a > "debate," is a classic technique of propaganda. USA Today joined the > ranks of master disinformers on its November 6, 1998 editorial page when > it published two pieces calling for more firearms regulation. It was a > case of Tweedledum vs. Tweedledee, to which JPFO objected promptly and > clearly. > > To date, USA Today has not printed JPFO's letter, even though the > letter fell within the length limits of their op-ed section and was sent > almost immediately. We can surmise that the editors could not abide the > embarrassment of the truth. The text of JPFO's letter follows below in > its entirety. > > The latest assaults on the right to keep and bear arms focus on "gun > safety" as the key issue. Watch how glibly the anti-gun rights > lobbyists will mix rhetoric about criminal misuse of firearms with calls > for trigger locks and other "safety" devices designed to prevent > accidental discharge. The American public who are as increasingly > unfamiliar with firearms as they are with detecting propaganda, may be > fooled by this latest trick. > > Take action right now! Every person reading this alert must send an > e-mail now to the editor of USA Today. Use the online form at: > > http://survey.usatoday.com/cgi-bin/feedback.cgi > > or call USA Today at (703) 276-3400. > -- ask why they refuse to acknowledge JPFO's message and > publish JPFO's response to its editorials. Ask why USA Today is apparently > afraid to publish JPFO's views. Urge USA Today to call on JPFO for truly > opposing views on "guncontrol" issues. We need thousands of people > to respond, please post and repost this message! > > The text of the JPFO letter, sent via email on November 9, follows: > > November 9, 1998 > > Letters to the Editor > USA Today > 1000 Wilson Blvd. > Arlington, VA 22229 > > Dear Editor, > > USA Today's November 6 "Today's Debate" column used an old propaganda > trick: put up two articles that take the same view and call it a > "debate." The USA Today editorial argued that the federal government > should require trigger locks on all firearms. The "opposing view" came > from New Orleans Mayor Morial who thinks suing firearms manufacturers, > dealers, and trade associations is a good idea. > > Both articles were united in saying that the firearms suppliers are > responsible for people's misuse of guns. Both articles twisted > statistics to make their points. USA Today said: "14 children under age > 19 are killed each day of the year." The stat is silly: "children > under 19" includes 18-year old adults, and most of the deaths are of > elderly teenagers, not toddlers. USA Today's editorial wanted federally > mandated trigger locks on guns -- but most of these deaths were > intentional killings. Trigger locks don't stop gangs and murderers. > > Mayor Morial pulled the same statistical stunt. He wrote: "we don't > want to ban guns; we want guns made safer." He cited a single case of a > child killed by another child who found a loaded gun. All of his other > data was about criminal use of firearms, but he mixed it with rhetoric > about airbags and car bumpers. His proposal, to sue the suppliers, > won't stop gangs and murderers. > > To help prevent future one-sided "debates," our organization hereby > volunteers to provide a truly "opposing" view when the "Today's Debate" > feature next visits the "gun control" debate. > > (signed) > > Richard Stevens > Firearms Sentinel Editor > Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, Inc. > 2874 So. Wentworth Ave. > Milwaukee, WI 53207 > > (414) 769-0760 > > JPFO is America's most aggressive defender of your second amendment > rights. If you are not a member, why not join right now? Call JPFO at > (414) 769-0760 or visit our website for details, just > click on http://www.jpfo.org You can even use our secure online > membership form at : > > https://ssl.worldweb.net/jpfo/membrssl.htm > > Won't you join us in the fight to destroy "gun control"? [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: RAPTUS: [Fwd: CQOD -- 11/26/98 -- Baillie on giving thanks to God] (fwd) Date: 26 Nov 1998 11:33:18 PST Happy Thanks Giving folks! On Nov 26, Sandra wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Christian Quotation of the Day November 26, 1998 Thanksgiving (U.S.) I thank Thee, O Lord God, that though with liberal hand Thou hast at all times showered thy blessing upon our human kind, yet in Jesus Christ Thou hast done greater Things for us than Thou ever didst before: Making home sweeter and friends dearer: Turning sorrow into gladness and pain into the soul's victory: Robbing death of its sting: Robbing sin of its power: Making peace more peaceful and joy more joyful and faith and hope more secure. Amen. ... John Baillie (1886-1960), A Diary of Private Prayer _______________________________________________________________ CQOD Compilation Copyright 1998, Robert McAnally Adams, Curator CQOD Home Page: http://www.gospelcom.net/cqod Subscription info: http://www.gospelcom.net/cqod/cqodlist.htm Comments and problems: email to curator@gospelcom.net [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: [Fwd: ANNOUNCEMENT] UN WATCH (fwd) Date: 27 Nov 1998 23:48:20 PST On Nov 28, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] UN WATCH - UN WATCH - UN WATCH - UN WATCH - UN WATCH - UN WATCH While the local and State RKBA organizations fight regional anti-gun laws and ordinances, we have to be aware of what is going on - hidden from the scrutiny of network news and legal reporting services. Treaties... the Law of the Land on the same level as an Act of Congress, have been used by the Clinton administration to outflank a balky Congress. Remember a $50 billion loan made to Mexico -- against the will of the Congress? Remember Clinton's appointment of Bill Lan Lee -- against the will of Congress? Clinton's recent signing of the Tokyo Global Warming Treaty -- against the will of Congress -- even though no treaty is *supposed* to go into effect without the advice and consent of the Senate? Remember Clinton's Executive Order banning the import of foreign semi-autos -- against the ineffectual protests of the Republicans as a gross abuse of executive office? Ladies and Gentlemen of the RKBA, I urge you to pay attention to what is going on with the UN, as Clinton is using this route to outflank the normal checks and balances against presidential power. Donna Ferolie is our woman on the job on UN Watch. Here is her press release. In liberty, Jurist -- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA --------------26321F0A48F8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by mail.amdyne.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:06:49 -0500 Received: by mail.amdyne.net from smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:06:48 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp3844.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.218.4]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19220; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:05:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <365F93AA.7564@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-SYMPA (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: sentiger@ccsalpha2.nrl.navy.mil, afn62971@afn.org References: <3653027E.13FB@amdyne.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ANNOUNCEMENT I am scheduled to attend the next United Nations workshop in Vienna for this coming January 1999. I would like to extend my deepest appreciation to the NRA for allowing me to attend under their banner. Donna Ferolie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^'' [ the following is a condensed version of the Breitkreuz press release ] Dennis Young , Garry Breitkreuz's assistant sent over the most interesting news release last week - pertaining to " DEPART. DENIES EXISTENCE OF AXWORTHY'S OPEN LETTER ON GLOBAL GUN CONTROL ". He commented on the denials by officials in the Department of Foreign Affairs of the existence of an " Open Letter " which Foreign Affairs Minister Lloyd Axworthy delivered at " The Olso Meeting on Small Arms ". Reuters even quoted from Axworthy's " Open Letter " in a wire story titled " Small Arms reductions theme of new Olso talks " and now they say it doesn't exist ? asked the incredulous MP. Breitkreuz was forced to file an Access to Information Request in a last ditch attempt to get the Open Letter. The Reuters article said, " These are the weapons that cause the most death and injury. Small arms and light weapons designed and manufactured for defense or internal security purposes should be restricted to military and police organizations only, and then only in such quantities that can be justified for legitimate defense or security needs f those countries, " Axworthy wrote. Breitkreuz said, " The Liberal Government's gun control agenda was made clear last November by Deputy Herb Grey." Grey was in Washington signing an international arms control agreement when he said, " This could be the start of a global movement that would spur the development of an instrument to ban firearms worldwide similar to our land-mines initiative." Breitkreuz asks, " If they are so proud of their plans to ban firearms worldwide, why go to all the trouble of keeping it a secret from the Canadian people ? With the passage of C68, the Liberal Government gave themselves the absolute power to ban all guns in Canada. Now it seems they want the United Nations to have this same type of power over the rest of the world, " concluded Breitkreuz. [ Our many thanks to Dennis Young who continues to belt out this kind of material on a regular basis. ] [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: In the Wilderness: 29 Nov 98 (fwd) Date: 29 Nov 1998 04:36:43 PST On Nov 29, Kevin McGehee wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] IN THE WILDERNESS (c) 1998 KEVIN McGEHEE North Pole, Alaska mcgehee@mosquitonet.com http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/ Permission granted to anyone wishing to forward, redistribute, or broadcast this article WITH FULL ATTRIBUTION. ================================================================ CHEAP AT TWICE THE PRICE Family togetherness during holidays is, I suspect, a phenomenon of the modern world. It's hard to imagine the ancient Romans celebrating their winter-solstice festival of the Persian war-god Mithras at home, gathering around the idol and singing Mithras carols while little Julius, Jr. looks just *too* cute for words in his brand new jammies. Nor were the high holy days of the early Christian church likely much of a family event. Hanging with the homefolks was what people back then did every day, and when they needed an excuse for a reunion of the extended family, usually some elder obligingly kicked off, or one of the newly married-off daughters had a newborn that needed baptizing. Our use of holidays has evolved with our civilization. Family life is at a premium now, so the holidays give us the opportunity for some intensive "quality time." This is usually invested through mass excursions to the local mall, whereupon money is doled out to the various family members and they are admonished, "Remember, we all meet again back here by nine o'clock!" Then each scurries in a different direction to buy gifts for one another. In a thousand years, archeologists piecing together these vignettes of family life in the twilight of the 20th Century will either be utterly baffled, or nod sagely to one another and say, "This explains *everything!*" It used to be that when someone stood up to say, "Let's not forget what these holidays are about," there was some novelty to the idea that we needed to be reminded. It was a jolt that actually made us stop and think on ... what these holidays are about. Today it's just one more in a long list of holiday cliches that we're all supposed to appreciate with a kind of sardonic chuckle. Well *of course* we have to remember what these holidays are about, it's part of the tradition! Just like Dad slipping off the ladder while he's stringing the Christmas lights on the front of the house, or Aunt Mildred overindulging in the egg nog and getting sloppy under the mistletoe with everyone who passes within reach. Animated TV reindeer with incandescent noses, Jimmy Stewart contemplating suicide, and a solemn moment during a rerun of "A Charlie Brown Christmas" while Linus recites the second chapter of the Gospel according to St. Luke. It's all of a piece. Even when the Peanuts characters decry "commercialism," it's between commercials -- touting this or that "perfect holiday gift" -- that (ahem) are paying for the cartoon characters' anti-commercialism sermon. The ending of that Peanuts special was so effective that not only is something like it indispensable to every holiday TV special created since then, but it invaded non-holiday culture as well (part of the novelty of "Seinfeld" was that it NEVER resorted to such an ending), and even the presidency of Bill Clinton seems headed for such a "warm and fuzzy" denouement despite everything. All together now: "AWWWWWWWWWW!!!" Just a few days ago, America sat down to Thanksgiving dinner, which has become sort of a pre-game show for the Christmas get-together. And as with Christmas, our cultural guardians (the same ones who insisted that "Ellen" was a television event of high cultural significance, but I digress) remind us what it's really all about: that Thanksgiving "is about giving thanks." They don't say to whom, but they consider themselves so integral these days to the proper functioning of our civilization that perhaps they fear a possible violation of the separation of church and state. They don't go so far (yet) as to suggest that we're supposed to give thanks, as the Pilgrims are now supposed to have done, to the Indians who are supposed to have kept them from starving en masse during that first horrible winter. Well, of course most of us know that Thanksgiving is about giving thanks to God -- but there's more to it even than that. Those of us who attend church at least more often than twice a year get opportunities to give thanks to God more often than once a year. Thanksgiving isn't about giving just any old thanks. It's not just about counting your blessings and saying, "Hey, God, you done right by me after all! Good show!" The Pilgrims had been through an ordeal the likes of which only the rarest and most unfortunate 20th-Century American has ever endured. Most of them died during that first winter, not just because of foul weather and disease but because of a disastrous experiment in collectivism, *the abandonment of which* helped ensure, more than any help from the Indians, the bounty they celebrated the following autumn. What they had survived could easily be regarded as a morality play of straying, privation, repentance and reward, and so they did. Under the circumstances, they were right to do so. The thanks they gave at their harvest feast was a big one, for a gift that they had firsthand reason to appreciate more than ever. More than just about anyone alive today can do. Economically and culturally, our holidays have become cheap -- and each year the morals of our civilization become cheaper. Our president has actually set the price of redemption for one of the most fundamental forms of human betrayal, as a few crocodile tears shed in public and a few throwaway comments about private pain, supposedly to make up for all that "private" pleasure. Not that such pleasures have really been private these last few years; even broadcast primetime television has become as explicit as it can be without earning the "hardcore" label. All the more hypocritical then, when the Four Horsemen -- Peter, Dan, Tom and Bernie -- deplored the "salacious detail" included with Kenneth Starr's Lewinsky referral. Funny thing about cheapness. It always comes with all those hidden, unexpected, unwanted costs, the ones that don't hit until much, MUCH later. -30- November 29, 1998 ================================================================ **Visit the IN THE WILDERNESS archives** http://www.mosquitonet.com/~mcgehee/advance.htm The views expressed herein are entirely those of the author(s), and do not reflect those of any person or group with whom the author(s) may be affiliated, unless explicitly labelled as doing so. [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: rkba-list: Tuesday Next Impeachment Call-In Day Date: 29 Nov 1998 05:08:27 PST On Nov 23, RichSlick@aol.com wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] If you have time this Tuesday, or whenever, please keep calling for Impeachment: Mark Souder (R-Ind) 202-225-4436 Billy Tauzin (R-Ind) 202-225-4031 Bob Livingston (R-LA) 202-225-3015 Christopher Shay (R-CT) 202- 225-5541 John Edward Porter (R-Ill) 202 225-4835 Peter King (R-NY) 202 225-7896 James Traficant (D-OH) 202 225-5261 I will make these calls. I urge all your readers to refer to the reasons in the Judicial Watch Interim Report. Those who haven't read it should get it at www.judicialwatch.org. Bob Becker 13300 Outlook Dr. #515 Overland Park, KS 66209 913 685-4924 bbecker@sound.net, b_becker@dsionline.com Also, if you have time, as many congressmen as possible, should be called to demand a copy of the memo from Charles Labella, Asst Attorney General, to Janet Reno which laid out in a straight forward way the fact that the trail of Chinese Communist money paid to Hubbell leads directly to the office of the President. Reno has refused to give this memo to Congress. Remember, American citizens have the Constitutional rights of equal justice and of impeachment. The Congress has a Constitutional duty to carry out a justified impeachment Impeachment protects citizens from someone who is unfit for office. A Congressional vote against a justified impeachment is a vote to destroy our system of equal justice. Congressmen have a Constitutional duty to protect our system of equal justice, not destroy it. The rules of the House still allow citizens to file ethics complaints to House Ethics Committee. This Committee is still be chaired by a Republican. Ethics complaints could be filed by citizens against Congressman Conyers' conduct with Coulter and any congressman supporting an unconstitutional action such as censure. =================================================================== uwsa@uwsa.com is an unmoderated mail list to discuss general government topics. To join or leave this list send mail to majordomo@uwsa.com TO: majordomo@uwsa.com (un)subscribe uwsa Visit our world wide web site at http://www.uwsa.com Support UWSA.COM at http://www.uwsa.com/UWSAintro.html [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: In 1690, John Locke foretold of Clinton... he called it "Tyranny" (fwd) Date: 30 Nov 1998 03:09:42 PST On Nov 30, Jurist wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] In 1690, John Locke laid the philosophical foundation, along with the likes of Adam Smith, upon which the Framers would build our Constitution. How powerfully these men wrote! They recognized that human nature does not change with the ages and that Natural Law* is what governed Man in a free state, regardless of time or nation or People. > John Locke: An Essay concerning the true original, extent and end of civil Government (1690) >XVIII - Of Tyranny >"199. As usurpation is the exercise of power which another hath a right to, so tyranny is the exercise of power beyond right, which nobody can have a right to; and this is making use of the power any one has in his hands, not for the good of those who ar satisfaction of his own ambition, revenge, covetousness, or any other irregular passion." http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/D/1651-1700/locke/ECCG/governxx.htm Please call, write or fax your representative and urge them to vote for impeachment! In Liberty, Rick V. * >"Non erit alia lex Romae, alia Athenis, alia nunc, alia posthac; sed et omnes gentes et omni tempore, una lex, et sempiterna et immortalis, continebit." >* [There will be not different laws at Rome and at Athens, or different laws now and in the future, but one eternal and unchangeable law will be valid for all nations and all times.] 3 M. CICERO, 210 DE RE PUBLICA (C. Keyes trans., 1928). -- The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: It takes a village.... not! (fwd) Date: 30 Nov 1998 07:13:55 PST On Nov 30, Y2J wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] "It Takes A Village" by Glenn Conjurske It take a village (so we're told), to raise a child today It take a village (we reply), to steal his heart away To purge old-fashioned do's and don't's, from his enlightened mind To leave old fashioned Ma and Pa, a hundred years behind It takes a village, verily, to teach some mother's son To steal and gamble, smoke and swear, and vandalize for fun. His mother didn't teach him that! His father? No, not he. It takes a village to corrupt, a village, verily It takes a village, this we know, to teach the maidens sweet, To dress and act, to look and talk, like women of the street. It takes a village, not a doubt, to teach a maiden mild, To save the monkeys, owls, and whales, and kill her unborn child. It takes a village public school, some subtle classroom chats, To teach the little boys and girls to act like alley cats. To teach them of the birds and bees, without morality, To teach them what to do, and how, and tell them they are free. It takes a village, yes indeed, to brainwash all the youth, With notions and with fallacies, In place of sense and truth. Abortion rights! The right to die! The rights of animals! Creative spelling! Unisex! The rights of criminals! It takes a village, well we know, to turn their minds away, To stand for fancied "children rights", and parents rights deny. To honor human nature less, And trees and rivers more. To sacrifice to Mother Earth, and Father God ignore. "It takes a village," so they say, but something more they mean. United Nations. Washington. The liberal machine. Society. The "Brave New World." The socialistic scheme. The global ideology. The New World Order dream! --It takes a village idiot to believe that a family needs instruction from the government to raise a child. -- Sent to you by: JVS a/k/a Y2J's Prepardeness & Supply "It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark." "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened." --Sir Winston Churchill "It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it." --Thomas Jefferson to James Lewis, Jr., 1798. "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --George Orwell Failure to prepare is preparing to fail. --Benjamin Franklin [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: FAXALERT: Tucson Rod & Gun Club Decision Unacceptable (fwd) Date: 30 Nov 1998 16:04:02 PST [excerpted] On Nov 30, NRA Alerts wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] NRA-ILA FAX ALERT 11250 Waples Mill Road * Fairfax, VA 22030 Phone: 1-800-392-8683 * Fax: 703-267-318 * GROOTS@NRA.org Vol. 5, No. 47 11/27/98 BATF REQUESTS COMMENTS ON GUN SHOWS As we reported in a previous FAX Alert (Vol. 5, No. 45), the Clinton-Gore Administration has set its sights on gun shows, and they will use every means at their disposal to eliminate the rights of gun owners in America. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms (BATF) has recently issued an open letter requesting comments from "interested parties concerning gun shows." It reads as follows: "On November 7, 1998, the President expressed his concern about the numbers of firearms sold at gun shows and elsewhere (emphasis added) without Brady background checks being conducted or the ability to trace the firearms being sold....The President has asked that the Secretary and the Attorney General provide him with recommendations by January 6, 1999. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms would like your comments and suggestions concerning this matter. For your input to be considered please include your name and address. We request that your reply be returned to this office by December 7, 1998. We appreciate your time and input. Please mail your comments to: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Attn: Gun Shows 650 Massachusetts Avenue, NW., Suite 7400 Washington DC 20226" Of course, BATF's expansion of the President's statements to include regulating gun sales "elsewhere" raises more questions about the ultimate goals of the Administration, and NRA-ILA is currently researching the potential impact of this statement. Time is short, so please be sure to submit your comments as soon as possible if you would like to have them considered by the December 7 deadline. If you would like information from NRA-ILA regarding the truth about gun shows to help with your comments, please call the Grassroots Division at (800)392-8683. =+=+=+=+ This information is provided as a service of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA. This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is available at: http://WWW.NRA.Org [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] -- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- -