From: roc-owner@xmission.com To: roc-digest@xmission.com Subject: roc Digest V2 #32 Reply-To: roc@xmission.com Errors-To: roc-owner@xmission.com Precedence: roc Digest Wednesday, 24 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 032 In this issue: signatures needed in a hurry The Downing of TWA Flight 800 (fwd) Re: (fwd) Re: CN:Rumor Mill:Multiple Stingers/ Sales Effort Persists (fwd) [FWIW] Truth VS Perception Re: (fwd) Re: CN:Rumor Mill:Multiple Stingers/ Sales Effort Persists (fwd) Re: (fwd) Re: CN:Rumor Mill:Multiple Stingers/ Sales Effort Persists (fwd) Re: (fwd) Re: CN:Rumor Mill:Multiple Stingers/ Sales Effort Persists (fwd) Re: (fwd) Re: CN:Rumor Mill:Multiple Stingers/ Sales Effort Persists (fwd) Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 8 Num. 57 (fwd) [FWIW] "Fool you once"... See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the roc or roc-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Donald Silberger Date: Mon, 22 Jul 96 08:54:34 EDT Subject: signatures needed in a hurry ========================================================================= Return-Path: <@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:lpny-general-request@GREENLEAF.GFR.COM> Received: from CUNYVM (NJE origin SMTP3@CUNYVM) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8318; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:41:15 -0400 Received: from greenleaf.gfr.com by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Sun, 21 Jul 96 16:41:13 EDT Received: (from listserv@localhost) by greenleaf.gfr.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with TULP id QAA01048; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:39:54 -0400 Received: from greenleaf (wboyce@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenleaf.gfr.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA01044 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:39:44 -0400 Sender: wboyce@greenleaf.gfr.com Message-ID: <31F2958F.5FE3265A@greenleaf.gfr.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:39:43 -0400 From: "Willis B. Boyce" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.8 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lpny-general@greenleaf.gfr.com Subject: Begging for signatures. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: LPNY-GENERAL Distribution List X-Sequence: 21 All, I posted this letter today to the following newsgroups: ny.politics ny.general nyc.politics nyc.general talk.politics.libertarian talk.politics.misc talk.politics.drugs talk.politics.guns If you are on any mailing lists (Donald Silberger) to which you think the message should be posted, or if you can think of some more newsgroups on which it might be appropriate (try not to overdo it, though), please forward it. Feel free to put your name at the top or personalize it. - -- Dear New York State Voters, The Libertarian Party of New York is currently conducting a petition drive to put its presidential and vice presidential candidates, Harry Browne and Jo Jorgensen, on the New York ballot. We need to collect 15,000 signatures before mid-August. If you would like to help by signing the petition, or by collecting signatures from your friends and relatives, or both, please read the information on our Web site, . You don't have to be a member of the Libertarian Party to sign the petition or to collect signatures. Signing the petition or collecting signatures does not obligate you to vote for the Libertarian candidates. You don't even have to agree with the principles upon which the Libertarian Party is founded. The only requirements are that you be a registered voter in New York State, and that you believe that voters should be offered more than two choices in November. Thanks for your time! - -- Willis B. Boyce Cast a vote for FREEDOM in 1996! Harry Browne for President: http://www.harrybrowne96.org 800-314-8611 Libertarian Party: http://www.lp.org 800-682-1776 ------------------------------ From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:49:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: The Downing of TWA Flight 800 (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:01:06 -0500 (EST) From: KALLISTE@delphi.com To: pwatson@utdallas.edu Subject: The Downing of TWA Flight 800 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Downing of TWA Flight 800 by J. Orlin Grabbe Terrorists who want to arm themselves for operations in the U.S. do not need to search in foreign locales like Afghanistan. They can find all the material they need right here at home. According to military sources, over 200 Stinger missiles are missing from inventory in U.S. military bases--places like Ft. Campbell and Ft. Knox. That TWA Flight 800 was taken out by a ground-to- air missile was known from the beginning by U.S. official agencies. The flight path of the missile was captured both on radar and by satellite. The only question was the identity of the missile and the identity of the group responsible. You wouldn't know this, of course, if you watched the endless "press briefings" on television news. Since the U.S. government had no idea of how to handle the matter--both in the real sense and in the PR sense--official bodies like the White House and the FBI stalled for time. They talked about not all the evidence being in, occasionally mumbling something about a bomb. They even hinted darkly that Greece could be responsible--the plane had stopped there--even though the TWA aircraft had more recently spent three hours on the ground in Kennedy airport, being cleaned, refueled, and checked for mechanical problems. A Stinger missile does not require a lot in the way of logistics. It can be fired from a small boat. One doesn't need a cabin cruiser. A 16-foot craft and a missile launcher will do. After the job is over, one simply sinks the boat with the launcher some distance off shore. Standard operating procedure. Some experts involved in the TWA Flight 800 investigation have no doubt a Stinger or very similar missile was responsible for the takedown of the plane. Flight 800 had taken off from Long Island and entered the Boston air corridor in the process of "stacking out". It was only at around 7000 feet altitude when the apparent Stinger hit the 747 airplane skin underneath the fuel tank. That was the first explosion. Then the 11,000 gallons of on-board fuel ignited in a white heat--this in turn igniting the aluminum of the plane body in much the same way that the surrounding burning material ignites the magnesium chips in a holiday sparkler. The second explosion left few large aircraft parts to be later pinpointed by sonar. The group responsible, identified by intelligence sources as working on behalf of Syria, say there are five more planes to go. One assumes this means they have five more Stingers. (Some Sidewinders are also missing from military inventory). The group means serious business. We saw their handiwork even before TWA flight 800: the knock-out of the energy grid that left some fifteen western states with partial electrical blackouts on July 2. The reason for this blackout was quickly hushed up by government officials. The media obligingly turned their attention elsewhere, waiting to be awakened from their lethargy when the group strikes again. July 23, 1996 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMfWt2WX1Kn9BepeVAQGKBQP/W7DP7ain9p0Y7me5iTYVvQIADuUvusYS OTGK3nk/jp8NA+x6CNJi4yvs8Gax1OMThtEAaQi7tawi7ge4k2VCwL7pmCPy6p3H /ZmSZissgTx/omorAWmNZ6J1FzdjMFKFJideks97jd/Mrfsl+OPvXXlEzFGyqAMQ ogbSjYjJVQw= =PeiH - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ From: John Curtis Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:07:28 -0400 Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: CN:Rumor Mill:Multiple Stingers/ Sales Effort Persists (fwd) > >Radio don't work so good under water, and you shouldn't drop a Childrens >Band into the tub with you to find out why. :-) > >While ELF, (Extremely Low Frequency), with a lot of power and a shire >sized buried antenna array, can transmit through the earth, it's my >understanding that submarines have to bury an antenna wire in the mud to >pick it up. I could be wrong on the pick up wire there, but it takes hours >to receive a sentence or two that way. > My understanding of ELF is that extremely low frequency -> extremely long wavelength -> extremely long broadcast antennas. Some of the ELF transmitters use portions of the power transmission system as antennas. The Navy runs some 100khz stations on the East Coast. Harking back to E&M days (6.04?) the ELF reception on submarines works because of a bizarre physical effect. When an EM wave (radio) propogates over a lossy (i.e. conductive) media with a dielectric discontinuity (i.e. air/sea water boundary) there is a component of the wave that propogates below the surface, whose power decays exponentially with depth. The lower the freq. the higher the amount of EM power that is propagated this way. I believe this wave is called the e-wave (little e) as distinct from the E portion of the EM wave. I've forgotten most of the math, but I can still remember the nice diagram from the lecture %^). The physics above means that submarines can receive ELF radio transmissions by trailing a long wire antenna below the surface. The baud rates are extremely low, the power received is low, but the chances of sub detection are also extremely low (which is what they want). So, ELF doesn't go through the Earth, it goes (very inefficiently) into the sea water. Its hard to transmitt because the antennas are extremely long (like Norfolk to Montreal would be a good one). I think that one bit per second is a good guess at the baud rate. >Normal Radios just don't broadcast. You can as they say, _receive_ a Radio >transmission on a bedsprings, but for _transmitting_ a signal, the antenna >dimensions are an _extremely_ picky sort of thing. That's in air or vacuum. >In water, it just don't work at all. Hence SONAR, (sound waves), are used >there instead of RADAR or Radio waves. > Correct. Any radio transmitter in a little box at reasonable power is going to attenuate to near bupkus in a few meters. ciao, Jack Curtis - ------------------------------ From: Tom Cloyes Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 19:56:09 -0400 Subject: [FWIW] Truth VS Perception Another example of the upside-down thinking in this country. Tom >Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:07:05 -0500 (CDT) >From: James Fish >X-Sender: jfish@earth >To: fwiw@execpc.com >Subject: [FWIW] Truth VS Perception >Sender: owner-fwiw@earth.execpc.com >Reply-To: owner-fwiw@earth.execpc.com > >FWIW >[Excerpt] > > EXPLOITING ARSON AND RACISM > > ITEM: In its "World Wide" summary, the June 13th Wall > Street Journal reported that President Clinton had toured > "the ruins of a black church in Greeleyville, S.C., one > of more than 30 burned in arson fires in the past 18 months. > The president said that while much progress has been made > in improving race relations, 'our job is not done.' He > vowed additional federal investigative efforts." > > CORRECTION: According to statistics from the Bureau of > Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms' (ATF) own arson investi- > gations, there have been 123 church burnings in the last > five years. Thirty-eight have been at churches that are > black or predominantly black, while 85 have been at > white or predominantly white places of worship. According > to the Scripps Howard News Service, ATF files indicate > that fires that are manmade "often don't amount to more > than malicious mischief by teen-age vandals or lone > pyromaniacs, frequently targeting religious groups to > which they themselves belong." > > There is little doubt that racism motivated some of the > church burnings. But some in Congress are competing with > the White House in the arena of public perceptions - > pushing the Church Arson Prevention Act, which calls for > federal prosecution even if the damage involved is as > minor as the spray-painting of a derogatory comment or > symbol on religious property. > >Source: The New American > Correction, Please, p.37 > July 22, 1996 > >Subscriptions: 1-800-727-TRUE > > =================================================================== > The above text comes from The BIRCH BARK BBS / 414-242-5070 > (long distance callers require manual upgrade, usually within hours) > =================================================================== > To subscribe to FWIW simply send the following: > To: listserv@execpc.com > Subj: (leave blank) > Message: > subscribe fwiw > > That's it! The welcome letter will tell you more! > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe, simply send the above instructed message, > substituting "unsubscribe" where appropriate. > =================================================================== > Home page: http://www.execpc.com/~jfish > > > > > > "You exceed your rights when you urge that laws be made in the shape of your conscience to block the pleasures permitted by mine. When you people prevail, you commit a crime against freedom, and that is the greatest immorality I know." -Vance Bourjaily, Country Matters (no date avail). Thanks to:Mark Johnson (onethumb@why.net) .. To each of my Nephews, William Augustine Washington, George Lewis, George Steptoe Washington, Bushrod Washington, and Samuel Washington, I give one of the Swords or Cutteaux of which I may die possessed; and they are to chuse in the order they are named. --These Swords are accompanied with an injunction not to unsheath them for the purpose of shedding blood, except it be for defense, or in the defense of their Country and its rights; and in the latter case, to keep them unsheathed, and prefer falling with them in their hands, to the relinquishment thereof. (Will, July 9, 1799) >From "Maxims of George Washington," published by The Mount Vernon Ladies' Association, Mount Vernon, Virginia, 1989. Thanks to Bob2A@aol.com ------------------------------ From: boydk Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: CN:Rumor Mill:Multiple Stingers/ Sales Effort Persists (fwd) Thank you, I happily sit corrected. (Wish they'd a found 'em faster). Boyd On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Kenneth Mitchell wrote: snip > Yes. The Cockpit Voice Recorder and Flight Data Recorder _DO_ have active > sonar pingers that are activated by exposure to water. (I was in the Navy > for 21 years, and worked for Hawaiian Airlines for a year.) The pingers can > be heard for several miles, and last for a week or two in the ocean. snip ------------------------------ From: neil@geol.niu.edu (Neil Dickey) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 12:12:18 CDT Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: CN:Rumor Mill:Multiple Stingers/ Sales Effort Persists (fwd) Kenneth Mitchell wrote: >>> The "New York pleasure boaters" reported hearing pings. Exactly what those >>> pings meant, and their origin, remains to be discovered. There are a great >>> many things in the sea these days which emit pings, and the sound carries >>> for tremendous distances. [ ... Snip ... ] >I don't know what frequency the FDR/CVR pingers use. But it's possible that >some folks heard something else and misinterpreted. That, of course, was my point. These observations were made by civilians who presumably weren't equipped to locate the source of the sounds (or they would have done so?), nor were they necessarily skilled at identifying such sources. Misinterpretation is a very definite possibility. Someone else, in a position to know, has indicated that the black boxes do have sonar emitters on them which are activated when the outside of the box is wet. This means it is also possible that the pings heard were in fact from the boxes. We don't, however, know much more than that, and won't until more information becomes available. I understand that the boxes are strongly made and sealed, but the sonar emitter is likely powered by a battery, and if the box was sufficiently damaged in the explosion to admit sea water then that would explain why the pinging stopped prematurely. The opinions which I have expressed herein are entirely my own, unless other- wise noted. No-one else should be held responsible for what I think. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | D. N. Dickey | Virtuous motives, trammeled by inertia and | | Research Associate | timidity, are no match for armed and | | Northern Illinois Univ. | resolute wickedness. | | neil@earth.geol.niu.edu | - W. S. Churchill | | **Finger for public key** | | - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: neil@geol.niu.edu (Neil Dickey) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 12:17:55 CDT Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: CN:Rumor Mill:Multiple Stingers/ Sales Effort Persists (fwd) "Donna J. Logan" wrote in response to me: >On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Neil Dickey wrote: >> The "New York pleasure boaters" reported hearing pings. Exactly what those >> pings meant, and their origin, remains to be discovered. There are a great >> many things in the sea these days which emit pings, and the sound carries >> for tremendous distances. > >Keep in mind that were picking up a "ping" they had not picked up before, >and which suddenly stopped by Saturday morning, with no explanation as to >WHAT it was.... In my other post on this subject, I make the point that it is probable that those who made those observations were not particularly skilled in interpreting what they were hearing, nor were they able to locate the source of the pings. If the boxes were damaged, then seawater seeping in could cause the sonar emitters to fail and would explain the Saturday silence without recourse to some sort of coverup by the government or other interested parties. The opinions which I have expressed herein are entirely my own, unless other- wise noted. No-one else should be held responsible for what I think. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | D. N. Dickey | Virtuous motives, trammeled by inertia and | | Research Associate | timidity, are no match for armed and | | Northern Illinois Univ. | resolute wickedness. | | neil@earth.geol.niu.edu | - W. S. Churchill | | **Finger for public key** | | - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: neil@geol.niu.edu (Neil Dickey) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 12:27:13 CDT Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: CN:Rumor Mill:Multiple Stingers/ Sales Effort Persists (fwd) boydk wrote: [ ... Snip ... ] >Hmm, Could it be... >NAVY SEARCH VESSELS? Sorry for the sarcasm (particularly Neil, who is >calling for some reason here, doesnt deserve it) but he-llo! >Some of the Navy and Coast Guards biggest and bestest search vessels are >looking for those boxes with...-Sonar!-. Pings a plenty I'm positive, but >a paucity of pingage from flight data recorders. Pity the poor Orca who >might peregrinate to that party. I'm sure the sonar pressure levels >are approaching something like an Ozzy Osbourne heavy metal concert. > No offense taken at all, Boyd! My guess is that they are looking for the black boxes indirectly at this point. Someone else has said that they are mighty small targets for sonar, and they might be trying to find them by looking for larger pieces of wreckage in order to increase the probablility of success. I'm sure that anything which lives in the sea and can hear has long since gone hunting for a quieter neighborhood. >Boyd (Mr. Stick-in-the-mud:) Kneeland Being reasonable is just our cross to bear, Boyd, hard as it may be. ;-^) The opinions which I have expressed herein are entirely my own, unless other- wise noted. No-one else should be held responsible for what I think. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | D. N. Dickey | Virtuous motives, trammeled by inertia and | | Research Associate | timidity, are no match for armed and | | Northern Illinois Univ. | resolute wickedness. | | neil@earth.geol.niu.edu | - W. S. Churchill | | **Finger for public key** | | - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: pwatson@utdallas.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:12:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 8 Num. 57 (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:51:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian Redman To: Conspiracy Nation Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 8 Num. 57 The following is brought to you thanks, in part, to the kind assistance of CyberNews and the fine folks at Cornell University. Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 8 Num. 57 ====================================== ("Quid coniuratio est?") - ----------------------------------------------------------------- TWA FLIGHT 800 ============== By Sherman H. Skolnick - ---------------------- 800 is the beginning of a toll-free call. But TWA Flight 800 was not toll-free. The toll: 229 killed. Background is necessary to understand what happened. The American CIA fomented and financed the Afghanistan War, as a way of giving the Soviet-dominated regime there a taste of a civil war, Viet Nam-style, inconclusive in the field, unpopular back home. The local insurgents, more at home with dope smuggling, were supplied by CIA with hundreds and hundreds of portable ground-to-air missiles. Most were shoulder-mounted, bazooka-style -- at the business end, heat-seeking. Capable of going up several thousand feet, right up the hot exhaust-end of an airplane engine, and blowing it apart, and igniting the fuel tanks. By the way, CBS News' anchor face, Dan Rather, reportedly was the go-between in some instances between the American CIA and the insurgents. After the War, the CIA-trained terrorists, still having hundreds of such missiles and knowing how to use them -- like Frankenstein's Monster, turned against their maker. While under total, around-the-clock surveillance by the FBI and the CIA, they planned and carried out the bombing of the World Trade Center in New York. Maybe the American secret police thought they could make a dramatic arrest of their own terrorists at the last minute. Maybe what happened (like the Oklahoma bombings) was the result of massive bungling by the FBI and the CIA. The facts about the World Trade Center bombing have been suppressed. Incidentally, the former head of the Afghani CIA has been working as security for a university in Chicago. The Flight 800 disaster came shortly after a meeting in Toronto of the secret society, the Bilderberg Group. After all, the ultra-rich and their puppets, covered up by the presslords, have caused wars and depressions, and carried out political murders like that of JFK -- great bloodshed does not make them hesitate from their secret agenda of total rule, sometimes using orchestrated violence and disasters to divert attention. (The Flight 800 event occurred shortly after the one about to be named head of his family empire, Amschel Rothschild, was murdered in Paris. Part of a traditional war between the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds. In 1978, we did an exclusive story about the murder of banking family chief, John D. Rockefeller III. Traditionally, the Rockefellers dominated the major airlines in the U.S. such as United Air Lines.) In 1983, 250 were slaughtered when the U.S. Marine barracks was blown up in Lebanon by CIA-dominated terrorists who went against their bosses, using exclusive, CIA-supplied super explosives. The terrorists violated CIA instructions to use the CIA-developed explosives only against targets selected and approved by CIA. At the time, were all the true facts known, President Ronald Reagan and Vice President George Bush, formerly head of CIA, should have been tried for treason against the American people. Then and now, the White House and the press whores have lied to us. A few days after the TWA disaster, the federal secret police briefed a closed session of a U.S. Senate Committee. Terrorists, long dominated by CIA, had been spotted and surveilled along the oceanfront near JFK Airport, the Senators were told. Undercover human intelligence as well as photos and electronic means, according to the Senate briefing, showed the terrorists were equipped with updated portable missiles, supplied to them by the CIA to be used against sworn enemies of the U.S. The latest version of the portable missiles could down a plane as high as 30 thousand feet. Based on the on-going intelligence, and fearing an imminent missile attack against a U.S. airplane, the FBI and CIA, in a rare instance of co-operation, arranged for a military plane to drop white phosphorus flares nearby to what seemed to be the terrorist target, TWA Flight 800. In a speed boat, the missile launchers were, by portable radio, listening to the airport tower take-off instructions, according to the Senate briefing session. Called "Willie Peters," the flares are used for two purposes: to illuminate a battlefield, or to side-track a heat-seeking missile that had locked onto an airplane. With the flares, the FBI, the CIA, and the military thought they could neutralize the missile attack and become heroes by carrying out a dramatic arrest of the religious fanatics originally trained for terror missions by CIA, the Senators were told. For business reasons, the airline industry greatly opposes any talk of airplane sabotage. For example, in 1973, attorneys for United Air Lines (then dominated by the Rockefellers) caused the suppression of my book, "The Secret History of Airplane Sabotage." If forced to mention foul play, the air lines would rather say it was a bomb. They could cool off the public by announcing supposedly increased security checking of packages and baggage. It is almost impossible to stop someone from using a portable missile, from a car or van, or from a boat, at the end of an airport runway, against a plane just landing or taking off. The air lines feared missile publicity at the height of the vacation-travelling season. In large cities like Chicago, more than half of the FBI baby-sit local Arab-Americans, with the FBI looking through their back windows all night. Or FBI sitting all day watching an Arab-owned grocery store. It is wrong to suppose all Arabs are terrorists. Tell the FBI about it. The federal fakers fear telling the truth about CIA-dominated Islamic extremists would set off a hard-to-stop epidemic of attacks on Arab-Americans in general. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Views expressed do not necessarily reflect those of Conspiracy Nation, nor of its Editor in Chief. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- I encourage distribution of "Conspiracy Nation." - ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you would like "Conspiracy Nation" sent to your e-mail address, send a message in the form "subscribe cn-l My Name" to listproc@cornell.edu (Note: that is "CN-L" *not* "CN-1") - ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information on how to receive the improved Conspiracy Nation Newsletter, send an e-mail message to bigred@shout.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know more about Whitewater, Oklahoma City bombing, etc? (1) telnet prairienet.org (2) logon as "visitor" (3) go citcom - ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: http://www.europa.com/~johnlf/cn.html - ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: ftp.shout.net pub/users/bigred - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aperi os tuum muto, et causis omnium filiorum qui pertranseunt. Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9 ------------------------------ From: Tom Cloyes Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 19:56:05 -0400 Subject: [FWIW] "Fool you once"... This guy must be joking..........nah..... Enjoy Tom >Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:10:22 -0500 (CDT) >From: James Fish >X-Sender: jfish@earth >To: fwiw@execpc.com >Subject: [FWIW] "Fool you once"... >Sender: owner-fwiw@earth.execpc.com >Reply-To: owner-fwiw@earth.execpc.com > >FWIW >[Excerpt] > > Reporters had trouble admitting the obvious ideological shift > in the President's policies from his campaign speeches. The > Media Research Center conducted a study of news stories using > the words "Clinton" and "liberal" within 25 words of each > other (in Time, Newsweek, U.S. News & World Report, and USA > Today) from 1991 through 1994. The study found that in 1991, > no story identified Clinton as liberal, while 26 claimed > he was not liberal. > > In 1992 stories featuring the words "Clinton" and "liberal," > reporters vastly preferred the not-liberal claim to the > liberal label 84 to 11. In the February 10, 1992 Newsweek, > Eleanor Clift explained that Clinton's invulnerability to > charges of liberalism led him to popularity among reporters: > "Truth is, the press is willing to cut Clinton some slack > because they like him -- and what he has to say. He is a > policy wonk in tune with a younger generation of Democrats > eager to take the party beyond the liberal stereotype." > USA Today's Adam Nagourney and Bill Nichols wrote on March > 18: "This moderate Southerner benefited from the fact that > the Democrats seemed to have finally kicked their addiction > to nominating liberals doomed to failure against Republicans." > > In the first year of Clinton's presidency, the number of > labels in the sample dropped dramatically (19 not-liberal, > 20 liberal). In the February 8, 1993 U.S. News, Editor-at- > Large David Gergen described his future boss: "He has come > down decisively in favor of a new age of liberal rule, > picking up where Franklin Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson left > off." By 1994, reporters used only three not-liberal > protestations in the sample, compared to 19 liberal labels. > In total, not-liberal tags still outnumbered liberal > descriptions, 132 to 50. Instead of labeling Clinton a liberal > frequently, reporters mostly stopped using labels. > > By the autumn of 1994, a few reporters were admitting that > Clinton had promoted an unpopular liberal agenda. In October, > USA Today reporter Bill Nichols wrote: "Not only did the > Clinton health plan fail, but it was almost universally > perceived as a bureaucracy-laden liberal expansion of > government." Eight days later, Nichols explained: "Voters > really believed Clinton was much more conservative than > his Democratic predecessors and feel his agenda has been > a liberal ruse." Nichols, like his colleagues, did not > take any responsibility for forwarding this ruse of > Clinton's conservatism before the 1992 election. > >[end] > >Source: Pattern Of Deception: > The Media's Role in the Clinton Presidency, p.199 > By Tim Graham > Published by Media Research Center, March 1996 > 1-800-MRC-1423 > > =================================================================== > The above text comes from The BIRCH BARK BBS / 414-242-5070 > (long distance callers require manual upgrade, usually within hours) > =================================================================== > To subscribe to FWIW simply send the following: > To: listserv@execpc.com > Subj: (leave blank) > Message: > subscribe fwiw > > That's it! The welcome letter will tell you more! > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe, simply send the above instructed message, > substituting "unsubscribe" where appropriate. > =================================================================== > Home page: http://www.execpc.com/~jfish > > > > > > "You exceed your rights when you urge that laws be made in the shape of your conscience to block the pleasures permitted by mine. When you people prevail, you commit a crime against freedom, and that is the greatest immorality I know." -Vance Bourjaily, Country Matters (no date avail). Thanks to:Mark Johnson (onethumb@why.net) .. To each of my Nephews, William Augustine Washington, George Lewis, George Steptoe Washington, Bushrod Washington, and Samuel Washington, I give one of the Swords or Cutteaux of which I may die possessed; and they are to chuse in the order they are named. --These Swords are accompanied with an injunction not to unsheath them for the purpose of shedding blood, except it be for defense, or in the defense of their Country and its rights; and in the latter case, to keep them unsheathed, and prefer falling with them in their hands, to the relinquishment thereof. (Will, July 9, 1799) >From "Maxims of George Washington," published by The Mount Vernon Ladies' Association, Mount Vernon, Virginia, 1989. Thanks to Bob2A@aol.com ------------------------------ End of roc Digest V2 #32 ************************ To subscribe to roc Digest, send the command: subscribe roc-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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