From: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com (roc-digest) To: roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roc-digest V2 #52 Reply-To: roc-digest Sender: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roc-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roc-digest Sunday, January 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 052 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:22:06 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: name that namegate Here are the names so far: Zippergate Tailgate Peckergate Wonkergate Oralgate Willygate Willy Wonkergate Paulagate Monicagate Bimbogate Fornigate Headgate - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 23:22:38 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: PPT Garment Ok, for the record folks, the garment bearing the Presidential Pecker Tracks is a Navy Blue Dress. Whether that's a dress or undress, "uniform", is not known at this time.....:-) - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:08:09 -0500 (EST) From: Brad Subject: misc funny zippergate ties The Conspiracy Shoe is on the Other Foot: Current Scandal Has a Watergate-CIA Connection by Daniel Brandt Although so far I still believe all of the following to be merely coincidental, and I feel that it has little or no bearing on the central issue (the fact that people with serious character flaws are currently working out of the White House and should have been exposed and expelled long ago), I nevertheless take some delight in pointing out something that might give pause to certain Democrats. These same Democrats have spent the last six years ridiculing any suggestion that covert activities continue to play a role in domestic politics. I am referring here to the last five years of official response, buttressed by mainstream journalism, on matters involving: a) Vince Foster b) Clinton's probable CIA connections while at Oxford (see sidebar in NameBase NewsLine No. 15, October 1996) c) Clinton's connection to CIA activities at Mena, Arkansas (the book "Partners in Power" by Roger Morris has a good chapter on this) d) the media reaction to the Contra-cocaine story in general over the last year (see NameBase NewsLine No. 16, January 1997) e) the story of wheeler-dealer Roger Tamraz and his CIA lobbyists, and the connection of both to the White House -- a story that never quite got off the ground So here is a circumstantial chain of connections, available for desperate Clintonistas to seize on, in their anticipated efforts to suggest that their wonderful leader was set up: 1. From the New York Times, January 23, 1998, "Big Campaign Contributor Recommended Lewinsky for White House Job," by Jill Abramson: ... "New details also emerged about Tripp, particularly her connections to some conservatives who have voiced opposition to the president. "For example, she gave copies of tapes of her conversations with Lewinsky to Lucianne Goldberg, a literary agent with ties to a conservative publishing house. "The FBI has twice attempted to serve Goldberg with a subpoena, Wednesday and Thursday, said the manager of her apartment building, but she was not at home. Goldberg did not return phone calls." ... 2. From Reuters, January 23, 1998, "Sex Scandal Figure Had Role in Nixon Campaign," by Gene Gibbons: "A Manhattan book agent helping to fan the flames of the sex scandal that threatens to engulf Bill Clinton's presidency spied on Democrat George McGovern for the Nixon re-election campaign in 1972. Lucianne Goldberg's involvement surfaced Thursday after she said she had recordings of former White House intern Monica Lewinsky telling of an illicit affair with Clinton and of him urging her to cover it up by lying under oath to lawyers in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case. The tapes were surreptitiously recorded by Lewinsky co-worker Linda Tripp, whom Goldberg said has been a friend since 1993. Reached by telephone at her home in New York, Goldberg told Reuters Tripp made the tapes "at my suggestion because she needed to be protected." "I'm a friend of Linda's. My only subjectiveness is that I like Linda, and Linda asked me to help her," Goldberg said. ... Ironically, Goldberg played a bit part in the impeachment drama that ultimately drove Richard Nixon from the presidency in 1974. In 1972, a Nixon campaign strategist tapped Goldberg to work as a spy on George McGovern's campaign plane, where she posed as a magazine writer covering the Democratic presidential candidate. Her role in the Nixon campaign came to light a year later during the Watergate investigation, which revealed that Nixon's re-election campaign conducted an extensive political dirty tricks operation to damage Nixon's Democratic rivals and derail McGovern's bid for the White House. "I was working for Murray Chotiner," Goldberg told Reuters, referring to a Nixon political operative known for his slashing campaign tactics. Asked if she was part of the Nixon dirty tricks operation, Goldberg said: "Well, they called it dirty tricks at the time, but I was not part of any dirty tricks thing." ... 3. From NameBase: GOLDBERG LUCY Petrusenko,V. A Dangerous Game: CIA and the Mass Media. 1977 (53) Weissman,S. Big Brother and the Holding Company. 1974 (42) From Petrusenko: In August, 1973, it was learned that a free-lance writer, Lucy Goldberg was paid $1,000 a week by the Republican Party during the 1972 presidential election campaign to keep tabs on the Democratic Party's candidates. Miss Goldberg is said to have received a total of more than $10,000 plus expenses. Another free-lance journalist, Seymour Freidin was paid over $10,000 by the Republicans for similar services. Then Jack Anderson wrote in his column that Seymour Freidin was a CIA agent. Freidin apparently realized that Anderson had the proof, so, when other wire service corespondents asked him whether this was true or not, he did not deny it. "I gave my word to Dick Helms," he said, meaning Richard Helms, CIA director 1966-1973. From Weissman: It was a remarkable operation, and it ran on information. According to Strachan, it was common knowledge in the Nixon camp that they were getting information from Senator Muskie's driver. "Fat Jack" (John Buckley) covered Muskie's Washington headquarters. "Chapman's Friends" (Seymour Freidin and Lucy Goldberg) posed as reporters on the campaign planes, and "Sedan Chair II" (Michael W. McMinoway) posed as a volunteer security guard at the Democratic convention. It was "Sedan Chair II" who reportedly overheard Mankiewicz discuss the health problems of Senator Thomas Eagleton. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Public Information Research, Inc., PO Box 680635, San Antonio TX 78268 Tel:210-509-3160 Fax:210-509-3161 Nonprofit publisher of NameBase http://www.pir.org/ dbrandt@crl.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A question at Friday's afternoon press briefing: Q Mike, one of the people who has emerged in this whole Lewinsky affair is this Linda Tripp, who had a GS-15 Army Intelligence, came out as an operative of the Bush White House, was very much involved in the Delta Force operations. Doesn't her credentials and her own political activity indicate that this is really a very clearly targeted operation to discredit the President and the presidency, and that Mr. Starr, with his own connections to the -- people, is playing the role of the grand inquisitor? MR. MCCURRY: I didn't pay this guy, by the way. (Laughter.) Look, I don't know enough about her. I don't know enough about the circumstances of her involvement in this issue to address that, nor do I know that anyone at the White House does, so I think it would be highly improper for us to speculate as to motive. - ------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:14:39 -0500 From: Tom Cloyes Subject: The current Question of the Day >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:06:23 -0500 >From: netline@mylink.net >To: foolery@bright.net >Subject: The current Question of the Day > >Dear Netline-To-Congress Participant: > >Thank you for your participation in the Netline-To-Congress program. > >The current events with respect to allegations that President Clinton had an affair with a >24-year-old female White House intern dominates the news. The Netline-To-Congress >Question of the Day concerns this issue. 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Stark's registered AK-Mail 3.0b [eng] > > ****JPFO e-mail Alert!**** > > Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership, Inc. > Aaron Zelman - Executive Director > 2872 So. Wentworth Ave. > Milwaukee, WI 53207 > Ph. (414) 769-0760 Fax (414) 483-8435 > http://www.JPFO.org > email: Against-Genocide@JPFO.org > > 01/24/98 > -------- > > >....if you do not MAKE the time to read this, you will have walked >by the answer that has eluded us for many years. -Chris > > >NEW PARADIGMS IN THE CIVIL-RIGHTS MOVEMENT: Yes, Virginia, We Can >Win; but First We Must Define the Question, and Then, We must Hold >Hands and Work Together. > > >By Robert G. Heinritz, Jr., J.D. > > >Speech to Gun Rights Conference, Denver, Colorado, >September 28, 1997 > > >There is story about Sol, the Jewish tailor-haberdasher, who won >a trip to Italy. Included in the trip was a tour of Rome and an >audience with the Pope. Sol was a religious man, so he considered >it an honor to meet with the leader of another great religion. When >he returned home Sol s partner, Al, asked him, So what about the >Pope? Sol s reply, About a 38-portly. > >The lesson, of course, is that we all tend to see things in ways >that relate to what we know. > >So what do I know, and what does that have to do with the Second > Amendment movement? I m an attorney and have worked for a >big-deal law firm trying big-deal lawsuits, but my first love is >management. For the last dozen years, far more of my work has been >as a management consultant; specializing in strategic planning, >productivity, and business turnarounds. > >In plain English, that means helping CEO s and their companies >define who they are, where they want to be in 5 or 10 years; >and then helping them develop clear, written plans with specific >measurable goals for getting there. I also help them implement - >by training them in team-building and productivity. This allows >companies to achieve Win-Win-Win results; a win for the customers, >a win for the employees, and a win for the companies who put their >wealth at risk to create value for the economy. Sometimes this >includes what businessmen call turnarounds; starting with a >company that is in trouble - sometimes near bank-ruptcy - and >helping it become efficient and productive. > >While this can require the use of sophisticated tools, most of >it isn t rocket science. It s pretty fundamental stuff. What is >required includes the ability to: > >a. Face reality as it is, not as we wish it to be, > >b. Admit our mistakes, and learn from them, > >c. Step back to question the fundamental assumptions that had >been taken for granted, and > >d. Make and implement hard decisions. > >In short, I know leadership when I see it. I know good strategy >when I see it. > >For members of the Second Amendment movement I recommend Al >Dunlap s book, MEAN BUSINESS: How I Save Bad Companies, and >Made Good Companies Great, as an example of good strategy. You >will find many parallels - both good and bad. The bad news >includes some of the same self-defeating practices we are >commonly guilty of. (You may be reminded of Pogo s, We have >met the enemy, and they is us. ) But there is also good news. >You'll see Dunlap execute business, organizational, marketing, >and financial strategies - in a manner that any competent >manager could adapt to Second Amendment goals. > >So what is meant by "New Paradigms in the Civil-Rights Movement? > >A paradigm is how one defines the question, or more accurately, >the unstated assumptions in a question. For example, early >astrologers struggled to create a calendar which could accurately >predict the movement of the heavenly bodies around the Earth. Notice >how the question was defined. Until Copernicus with his theory, >and Galilao, with the data gathered from his telescope, taught >us that heavenly bodies do not move around the earth, it was >impossible to create an accurate calendar because of how the >question was asked. The answer was in finding a better way >to state the question. > >In business, new paradigms - new ways of defining the question - >or new ways of thinking out of the box include: > >1. Sam Walton - rather than competing head-to-head against larger, >more powerful retailers in high-priced malls - opened his first >warehouse-discount store in the giant megalopolis of Bentonville, >Arkansas - where the leading occupation had been jury duty. > >2. Domino s Pizza - rather than competing against strong, >established chains and restaurants to fill their stores with >customers - instead took their stores to the customer - with >a revolutionary delivery system. > >3. Hospitals - in an industry with 50% of their beds empty, and >an industry-average-net-profit of $0 - reversed the question of >how to fill their beds with sick people, and developed the concept >of wellness centers, which have succeeded in generating much >higher occupancy with much higher profit-margins. > >It is very likely that the United States wouldn t exist in the form >we know it if the Founders hadn t re-defined the question. They >began petitioning for rights of Englishmen. Ultimately, they >fought for and won rights of Americans - rooted in English rights >- but taking several steps beyond; not the least of which is - >Englishmen were (and still are) subjects of the sovereign - while >Americans are citizens who own the sovereign. That s pretty >fundamental. > > Reality as it is, not as we wish it? We in the Second Amendment >movement are losing because (a) we confuse symptoms with problems >and fail to accurately define the real problem, and (b) we fail to >develop a real long-term strategy to take the initiative and win. > >1. For example, do you think we have a PR problem? Or that >the media aren t fair? Or that politicians who claim to support >the Second Amendment turn on us by voting for anti-gun bills? >Those aren't problems. Those are symptoms of a (much) larger >problem. > >2. Do you think we are winning because there are now 31 states >with concealed-carry laws? If you think so, you may wish to >reconsider. As Dan Polsby said in the March 24th issue of the >National Review, we are kidding ourselves, because in the >national debate we are losing, and losing badly. > >How can this be when the scholarly data is on our side? > > Perception is reality. - All politicians can count. Polsby >didn't provide answers, but he correctly stated the problem. >In a democracy, public policy is tailored to what the people >believe, no matter what the facts might be. For weapons policy >the point is not the connection between guns and violence - but >how people see the connection. In the current atmosphere, >cheerleading for gun rights will look mighty like cheering for >murder and suicide and opposing common decency. > >The larger message - if people don t believe in each of the >specifics in the Bill of Rights, sooner or later all those >rights will be footnotes in history - by popular vote. The >anti-civil rights forces have their own long-term strategic >plans to whittle-down the Bill of Rights to nothing.(Some argue >that 8 of 10 of the Bill of Rights are already gutted.) Henry >Kissinger said, You re not paranoid if they are really out >to get you. We are in a war of information, and they are out >to get us. Their Marxis-styled war of deceit is well-documented >- most recently in Radical Son, by David Horowitz. Until we face >these realities, and adequately define the question" - the real >question - we have little hope of success. > >What are the New Paradigms? Our battle is not for the Second >Amendment - it is for the Bill of Rights. Our targets are not >shooters or politicians - but opinion leaders and the voting >public. Our goal - is to win over the hearts and minds of the >American public. This is our new paradigm. This is our >turnaround. > >Sound grandiose? Maybe not. > >David Kopel has said the Bill of Rights isn t for conservatives >to protect their property or guns, or for liberals to protect >filthy speech or rights of accused. Those rights were meant to >hang together. To the extent any of the rights are abridged, >all are at risk. Or as Dr. Martin Luther King said, Injustice >anywhere, is a threat to justice everywhere. > >Our priority may be the Second Amendment, but our perspective >must be civil rights. > >Charlton Heston s 3-year campaign to save the Second Amendment >is wonderful, and very much needed. But that campaign is to our >long-term goals as the original 13 Colonies were to the United >States. > >But first we must define who we are, and where we are going. As >Lewis Carroll said in Alice in Wonderland, If you don t know where >you are going, any road will get you there. > >So who are we? There is nothing inherently wrong with being, say, >a small group of target or bird shooters - anymore than being a >membership-organization of 20-million. But given the political >and societal realities, unless we figure out a way to make allies >of people who have no interest in picking up a gun we could end >up in the same fix as in Great Britain or Australia. As my friend, >Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp said, The Second Amendment ain t about >duck hunting. > >We need allies. Alone, we can't win hearts and minds here - any >more than we could in Vietnam. We need conservatives, liberals, >and agnostics - who may or may not have an interest in guns - but >with whom we can forge common bonds in the Bill of Rights and the >values that made this country. > >1. Do you really want to face reality as it is, and not as we >wish it to be? Politicians don t turn on us. Politicians vote >anti-Second Amendment, anti-Civil rights, because it gives them >power. If it had been necessary for him to gain the Presidency, >even Bill Clinton would have been pro-gun. Perception is reality. >All politicians can count. > >2. So we need the people from A.C.L.U. - as they need us. We >need the environmentalists. We need the libertarians, the >churches, the unions, the doctors, the sociologists, and the >teachers. We need the children. Most of all we need the voting >public. If we have them, the media and politicians will follow. > >(So how do we do this?) > >Action Plans > > Like a well-run business with competitors trying to put it our >of business, we must have clear, written, long-term strategic >plans. This can help us with many things, including: > >First: A clear definition who we are and what we stand for - >not against. > >Second: Clearly-defined and measurable goals, enabling us to take >the initiative. Politics is almost inherently short-term oriented, >so in the absence of clear, long-term plans it is almost impossible >not to get pulled into defensiveness by reacting to the opposition's >initiatives. With long-term goals, it is easier to make incremental, >short-term gains toward our objectives. By taking and maintaining >the initiative, it is easier to manage the public debate, frame >the issues and get good press. Our tests have proven that. > >Third: Finding a Ronald Reagan leader - or several of them - who >are good T.V. communicators, friendly, welcoming, inclusive, bringing >more people into the efforts; but absolutely reliable and unwavering >on principles and fundamental values. There can be more than one, and >they should include women. Rebecca John Wyatt and Dr. Suzanna Gratia >Hupp are good examples. Both are warm, articulate, and effective >communicators. Rebecca is as good with the data as anyone. Suzanna >is the only person I know who successfully got Representative >Charles Schumer to shut up! Fourth: No compromising on principles! >We can pick our battles, and it can be appropriate to compromise to >achieve an advance-ment toward our goals. We should never compromise >our principles. We should never compromise with the people who are out >to get us. Compromising with the devil is a losing strategy! Winston >Churchill strongly condemned Neville Chamberlain s treaty with Hitler >as appeasement. An appeaser, according to Churchill, is someone >who throws his children to the crocodile, in hopes the Crocodile >will eat him last! > >Examples? > >1. How often have we been maneuvered into campaigning for our >gun control bills (and it s not the gun that is being controlled >- it s the civil-rights of the law-abiding) because our anti-rights >bill curbs rights of the law-abiding less than their anti-rights >bill? Often, both are bad bills, exhibiting our failure to have >taken the initiative to frame the issues correctly. > >2. To that end, how could we support any but Representative >Helen Chenoweth s bill to totally repeal the Lautenberg >amendment? The Lautenberg law is totally bad, of questionable >Constitutionality, and questionable ancestry. ( Question-able >ancestry is lawyer-talk for S.O.B.) We screwed up when we >allowed it to be passed in the first place. It needs to be >totally repealed! > >In the real world, compromise happens. But compromise on >principle should never be tolerated. In facing reality as it >is - not as we wish it to be - we should recall Churchill's >promise, > > I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, sweat, and tears. >We are facing exciting opportunities - if we know how to manage >them. Like the Soviet Union in its final years, the anti-civil >rights forces in the United States are big, scary, dangerous - >and from outward appearances - well-funded and nearly invulnerable. >But behind the facade is little depth and staying-power. > >It was Ronald Reagan who was willing to stand firm on principles, >develop the plan, and expend the resources to deter aggression. >He knew where he was going, and he never wavered. In the face >of such resolve, an already weakened Soviet Union folded. Arming >to deter aggression ultimately served non-violence. > >History can repeat itself, but it will take our leadership, effort, >and resolve: > >The anti-civil rights forces in this country will continue to >advance if we let them. But their flaws are more apparent. It's >not for nothing that Rush Limbaugh became a millionaire. The >absurdity of the opposition is their Achilles heel. The >credible scholarly data is on our side, and they know it. > >Much like the N.A.A.C.P. during the first half of this century, >we are many people, with many different interests, doing many >different things, but all for common civil rights goals. It is >in our interest to pull as many people into the effort as we can. > >Our plan must be long-term in orientation, large-scale in >perspective, and inclusive in its execution. We must bring as >many allies as possible into the effort. Most important, it must >clearly state what we are for - not against - to help us gain >the initiative. Then we must implement - with an ongoing policy >of always seeking the initiative. The job isn t easy - but it >is simple if we keep our heads and work together. > >If we do, there is reason for optimism. Despite the day-to-day >media trash, there is an underlying wisdom, goodness, and strength >among the people of this country. They are ready to hear our message. >It is our job - our responsibility - to manage and deliver it >effectively. > > Civil rights, at a minimum, includes the right to defend your life >- and the lives of your babies. If it saves one life, it s worth it! >- so - Let s do it for the children-! > >----- >Bob Heinritz is an honors graduate in management and law, and a >member of the Bar of the states of Arizona, Illinois, and Missouri. >He is a former trial lawyer, and now a business attorney and >management consultant, specializing in strategic planning, >productivity, and business turnarounds. > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >JPFO would like to thank its membership for their loyal >support. For without our membership, alerts as this would >not be possible. Please consider joining JPFO today. >Membership information is available on our web site. >---------------------------------------------------------- > > >************************************************************** >Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership >Chris W. Stark - JPFO Director of Electronic Communications >2874 So. Wentworth Ave. >Milwaukee, WI 53207 >Ph. (414) 769-0760 >Fax (414) 483-8435 >e-mail: Against-Genocide@JPFO.org > >Visit our Web Page at: http://www.JPFO.org > >"America's Most Aggressive Defender of Firearms Ownership." >************************************************************** > TO SUBSCRIBE TO OUR E-MAIL ALERTS, send an e-mail to: > > subscribe@JPFO.org > >...and in the body of the message, type the word "subscribe". >************************************************************** > > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 07:45:24 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Rock You? Ok, I give up, I just can't resist twisting Clinton's tool over this. Being as our resident, "Simon Jester", is temporarily AWOL, we'll just have to do the best we can without him, perhaps even a cooperative effort. Therefore, for those of us who also have nothing better to do, here's a possible start; modify as needed of course.....:-) Ya got cum on her dress, Great Distress; The whole Presidency's in a big mess! We will, we will, "Thwop You!" We will, we will, Swap You! :-) - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:26:06 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Ferris Subject: Clinton-Resignation Bumper Sticker Slogan Ideas (fwd) ROC and NOBAN list readers: Here are some ideas for some "Bye Bye, Bill!" bumper stickers ... Feel free to snip and to repost any possible bumper sticker slogan ideas you deem worthy to readers of other clinton-scandal lists for review and consideration ... Both of my daughters (age 10 and 19) asked me if # 24 would ever really happen (the grounding, not the resignation!) ... they were not amused by my attempt at humor ... Best regards, Chris Ferris P.S. How pathetic that I have had to explain to my 10 year old daughter that the President of the U.S.A. is an amoral *** sexual predator *** who cannot be trusted to respect women and their bodies. I used gentle language to deliver that message. How utterly pathetic. President Clinton cannot resign (in disgrace) too soon. Yes, I would rather be stuck with Gore until the Year 2000. P.P.S. When will Carville The Jackal/Hyena begin his "Destroy Lewinsky and Tripp" fifth column campaign? Just wondering ... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:48:01 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Ferris To:
Cc: Subject: Clinton-Resignation Bumper Sticker Slogan Ideas 1. RESPECT WOMEN (think of the wide-ranging appeal to men, women and IMPEACH CLINTON even "soccer moms" who mistakenly voted for WJC!) 2. PROTECT THE PRESIDENCY (focusing on restoring dignity to the office!) IMPEACH CLINTON NOW! 3. HONOR WOMEN (another simple slogan?) IMPEACH CLINTON 4. PROTECT WOMEN (implying that WJC is "dangerous" to all women?) IMPEACH CLINTON 5. SAVE AMERICA'S WOMEN (implying duty of people to save women from WJC!) IMPEACH CLINTON NOW! 6. RESTORE HONOR TO THE PRESIDENCY (a bit too sarcastic?) REMOVE "ON HER" FROM OFFICE 7. RESIGN NOW, PRESIDENT CLINTON! (a bit too direct?) KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF INNOCENT WOMEN 8. I RESPECT AMERICAN WOMEN (hard hitting!) PRESIDENT CLINTON ABUSES THEM 9. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, MR. PRESIDENT! RESIGN NOW FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY 10. RESTORE HONOR TO THE WHITE HOUSE (too sarcastic?) FORCE "ON HER" TO RESIGN FROM OFFICE 11. CLINTON "DAMAGE CONTROL" MEANS (anti-Carville hit team!) DESTROYING HIS FEMALE VICTIMS! 12. PRESIDENT CLINTON PRACTICES (key buzz word these days!) VIOLENCE AT THE WORKPLACE 13. I DON'T WANT A SEXUAL PREDATOR (the truth hurts!) EMPLOYED AS OUR PRESIDENT 14. BILL CLINTON IS COMING (funny ha ha?) RUN FOR YOUR WIVES 15. THE FBI WIRE MAY FIRE THE LIAR (too cute?) 16. BILL CLINTON STUMBLED OVER THE FBI'S "TRIPP WIRE" 17. SEX SCANDALS IN THE MILITARY? HEY, CLINTON SERVED AFTER ALL 18. PRESERVE THE PRESIDENCY (again, focusing on the office!) RESIGN NOW, MR. CLINTON 19. OUR COUNTRY ABOVE CLINTON (country above clinton, key theme?) IMPEACH HIM NOW! 20. IN A VERY DANGEROUS WORLD THE U.S.A. NEEDS A REAL PRESIDENT 21. REAL LEADERS DON'T ABUSE WOMEN IMPEACH PRESIDENT CLINTON NOW! 22. CLINTON WANTS PIECE (funny ha ha?) AMERICA WANTS PEACE 23. I DON'T WANT A SEXUAL PREDATOR PERMITTED TO LAUNCH NUKES 24. MY DAUGHTER IS GROUNDED (funny ha ha?) UNTIL BILL CLINTON RESIGNS Some of these slogans may have potential ... the simpler, the better ... feel free to forward to any connected people who can mass-produce whatever will work best ... "resign now" bumper stickers need to start appearing everywhere, and muy pronto! Timing is everything. Fast movement is imperative! Best regards, Chris - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:02:57 -0600 From: jim bohan Subject: Re: Clinton-Resignation Bumper Sticker Slogan Ideas (fwd) Chris Ferris wrote: > ROC and NOBAN list readers: > > Here are some ideas for some "Bye Bye, Bill!" bumper stickers ... The day Spiro Agnew resigned I was on the pasadena freeway.Heard on the radio that Agnew had resigned. No sooner than the words left the speakers a hippie in a VW bus passed me sporting a bumper sticker that said: "One Down, One to Go!" We need to have that one ready for the day it happens. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 19:46:35 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Fratrum: Vote for or against Impeachment (fwd) On Jan 24, Ed Wolfe wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:19:11 -0500 From: Mike Moxley Subject: pdml] Netline-to-Congress Cast your Vote! Cast your vote: To impeach or not to impeach....that is the question. MM Dear Netline-To-Congress Participant: Thank you for your participation in the Netline-To-Congress program. The current events with respect to allegations that President Clinton had an affair with a 24-year-old female White House intern dominates the news. The Netline-To-Congress Question of the Day concerns this issue. The matter has such serious possible consequences for the President that the Question of the Day will be continued untill at least 12:00 noon on Monday, 1-26-98. 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Netline-To-Congress ****************************************************************** Michael Moxley The Patriot Web Site: mmoxley@foto.infi.net http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ ***************************Live Free or Die!*************************** [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 22:58:44 PST From: roc@xpresso.seaslug.org (Bill Vance) Subject: Heads Up #69 (fwd) Some recap, some updates, and some interesting details..... On Jan 24, Doug Fiedor wrote: [-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------] Heads Up A Weekly View from the Foothills of Appalachia January 25, 1998 #69 by: Doug Fiedor fiedor19@eos.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Previous Editions at: http://mmc.cns.net/headsup.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------ THE FAILED PRESIDENCY As we listen to Clinton lay out his wish list in his State of the Union show next week, perhaps we should all keep a copy of our Constitution nearby. Because, if the Constitution is the "job description" of the federal government, we have a few employees needing reprimand. Below is a short list of unconstitutional acts by the Clinton administration in the last five years: Aircraft passenger restrictions, even more affirmative action laws, the biosphere reserve land grab, church arson laws, more education regulations, the family leave act, a failed child immunization program, the Heritage River private land control scheme, more subsidized HUD homes, oppressive gun laws, internet censorship, television censorship, stricter search and seizure laws, the militarization of federal police, strict controls on our personal money, increasingly oppressive environmental regulations, strict restraints on state and local governments, socialized medicine, more taxes, unnecessary terrorist laws, violations of personal privacy, giving approximately $100-billion of our tax dollars to Asian governments, the disaster at Waco, unilateral legislation through executive orders; and, of course, Hillary interfering in matters of government. Bill Clinton brags that he once taught Constitutional law. If so, he should know better. You will not find one of these activities authorized to the federal government in our Constitution. In fact, some are expressly forbidden by the Constitution and others by the Supreme Court. Yet, the Clinton administration feels free to regulate these areas (and many others) anyway. While we watch the Clinton show, we should also remember the sleaze factor in the White House. Each item in the short list below has been well documented in credible books and publications. The list is offered here only as a refresher so you will remember where this administration is coming from. For instance, there's Hillary's adult sex toys used for White House Christmas tree decorations, the Babbitt investigation, a never ending string of bimbos for Bill, the Ron Brown investigation, the Cisneros investigation, Hillary's commodities scam, the reported drug abusers in the White House, the Espy investigation, the hundreds of instances of failed memories under oath, the filegate scandal, Hubbell's conviction and imprisonment, the Jim Guy Tucker conviction, the Foster "suicide," a long list of illegal fund-raising scandals, the Lincolin Bedroom rentals, the selling of laws and regulations for campaign donations, innumerable instances of obstruction of justice, using the IRS, FBI and Secret Service against political dissenters, repeated perjury by the Clintons and their White House staff, the travelgate fiasco, and the Whitewater scam. The above are just some of the moral deficits that point to the lack of honor in the Clinton presidency. Taken together, these two short lists give us a rather good idea of what we can expect from the Clinton, Clinton & Gore team, and it does not look good for the country. Simply put, the acts of this administration can be outlined in two broad categories: Unconstitutional acts and sleaze. That the Clinton, Clinton & Gore team brings dishonor to the Office of the President, and hence to the United States as a whole, is self evident. Because even this administration's Constitutional acts put the people of the United States in peril. For instance, this administration has pussyfooted around with Iraq so much that the government of Iraq has all but thrown American arms investigators out of their country. Iraq lost the war. But Clinton has mismanaged the situation so badly that today Iraq is actually giving orders to the American government, and the American government is obeying. Already, many factions in Iraq are preparing for a jihad against the American people. Furthermore, the Clinton Administration is giving the communist Chinese government nearly everything it wants. The communists have stated publicly that they are arming against the United States. Still, Clinton provides them with high-tech electronic equipment, super computers, strong encryption devices, and even sophisticated military arms. Simultaneous with helping communist China to arm itself against us, the Clinton administration has been downsizing the American military. Many of today's military units do not even have the necessary funds for equipment maintenance and training. Conversely, other "special" units seem to be training to go to war with the American public. Clearly, something is wrong with this picture. And lately, we hear that the administration intends to permanently federalize the National Guard. To say that this is a failed presidency is an understatement. Generally, the administration has strong socialist -- and hence, anti-Constitutional -- tendencies. The qualifications of the personnel making up the Clinton and Gore administration seem to run from totally incompetent to crooked -- with a few strong authoritarian types mixed in for flavor. The actions of those making up the Clinton administration seem to follow two broad categories. The first is of self indulgence. The second is to initiate complete federal control over the American people. Bill Clinton may put on a good show for the State of the Union Address Tuesday night. But those listening closely will notice that not more than two of the subjects he addresses will be within the bounds set down by our Constitution for the federal government. ANOTHER PRESIDENTIAL TRYST Bill Clinton was caught fishing in the intern pool. But that's not much of a surprise to anyone. Even that he was playing with Monica Lewinsky, a girl not much older than his daughter, while his wife and daughter were upstairs, is not much of a surprise. That he got away with it in the White House for about 18 months is somewhat interesting, though. Still, Lewinsky is just one out of one-hundred of his conquests. Early reports of the Clinton Presidency said that he brought a couple of his favorite squeezes with him to the White House. In fact, rumors on the street were that Hillary did too. Apparently, that is their lifestyle. Lying, cheating, obstruction of justice, and perjury also seem to be a big part of the lifestyle of this couple. Congress gave Hillary a pass on all of the lies she told to Congressional investigating committees. It looked like Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr was giving both of the Clintons a free pass on perjury too. It looked that way till last week, that is. Then something changed. Last week, Starr deposed and/or questioned Hillary under oath again. Why the second or third time, and why so late in the game? It could be that Starr is starting to play for keeps. That is, he gave Hillary another chance to correct her story about certain things before charging her with perjury. Bill Clinton was deposed too. He got his six hour inquisition from the Paula Jones legal team. Then, suddenly Ken Starr also became interested in Slick's civil case testimony. Which means, something is up. Then came Matt Drudge, breaking the Monica Lewinsky story on the Internet. It seems that the Lewinsky story is a big break for everyone concerned, except Michael Isikoff, the Newsweek reporter who originally did all the legwork. It's a really good story, too. It has all the elements of a good movie: young girl & older man, national secrets, high level politics, illicit sex, sneaking around, and more than one element of suspense. Better yet, the young woman in question reportedly has tapes of conversations between her and Clinton. And Starr has tapes of her relating the sordid story to Linda Tripp, Lewinsky's friend and coworker. As the Washington Post reported Tuesday: "On the tape recordings . . . Lewinsky described her sexual relationship with Clinton and said the President advised her not to worry about the Jones case because Jones's lawyers would not find out about the relationship. Lewinsky said that when she was notified by Jones's lawyers in mid-December that they wanted her testimony, she called the President and he advised her to deny the affair." At first glance it looks like Starr's involvement in this is little more than chasing bimbo eruptions. But actually there's much more to it than that. Monica Lewinsky was subpoenaed to give a deposition in the Jones sexual harassment case. She planned to do as she was told and lie, saying she had no personal contact with Clinton. In fact, on Jan 7, she actually denied the affair in a sworn affidavit for the Paula Jones case. But, there are those tapes -- 21 of them, at least one of which is an hour and a half long. The tapes are said to imply that Clinton told her to lie while under oath during her scheduled Paula Jones case deposition. Her instructions are to say that she and Clinton never had a relationship. Better yet, when Jones' attorneys questioned him under oath, Clinton denied ever having had a sexual relationship with Lewinsky. Clinton did admit, however, to sending Lewinsky "personal gifts." Both Clinton and Lewinsky lied. Under oath. Enter Kenneth Starr: Lewinsky had signed an affidavit swearing that she had never had a sexual relationship with the president. But, Starr had the tapes wherein she admitted it repeatedly. So, Starr was suddenly investigating her for perjury and obstruction of justice in the Paula Jones case. Well, that's what they told her, anyway. Starr's people gave her an inconvenient choice. She could either cooperate with prosecutors, and testify against the president, or face criminal charges. You see, she was working in the White House when many of the "other" scandals happened. She was there to see Hillary's computer system used, she saw a steady stream of fundraiser coffees, and a she was around for a few of the other things Starr is still investigating. Plus, she had a little pillow talk with Clinton himself. So, if Starr can turn her, things might happen in a hurry. Besides, Bill Clinton asked her to commit perjury to protect him. And folks, that is a federal felony seeking an indictment. That the only way a president can be indicted is through articles of impeachment filed in the House of Representatives is another interesting story. FEDERALLY PLANNED DISASTER One need only take an hour's walk around an inner city neighborhood on a warm Friday evening to see the devastation brought on by the failed policies of the Democratic Party. An observer will not need a Ph.D. in sociology or anthropology to see a lack of social structure that borders on chaos in these neighborhoods. Inner city neighborhoods are no longer safe places to live or visit. Anyone with a lick of sense would want to get the hell out of there as fast as possible. And that is exactly why such a walk should be required of every elected and appointed official in the federal government at least once a month. They should be required to experience, first hand, what they have caused. Inner cities were not always this way. Before the Johnson Administration initiated the "Great Society" programs as an attempt to "lock in the Negro vote," before welfare programs began paying young girls to have babies out of wedlock, and before the federal government started experimenting on children in public schools, rather than teaching them, things were different. Years ago, folks had to work for what they received. Therefore, even the poor took care and pride in what little they had. Today, the poor have more than they ever had in our history. But the pride of ownership is gone, and the lack of care for possessions is obvious. That is because they no longer need work for anything. Everything is provided free by the federal government. Undereducated single mothers raising children on government subsistence soon begot less educated children raising their children on government subsistence. And these even less educated children started raising feral boys and girls who looked back to three or more generations of single parent households on welfare as their only role model. The girls only needed to get pregnant to "get paid" by welfare. The boys were left totally behind. Uneducated, unsupervised, lacking anything resembling social skills, the only role models for the boys became the older punks on the street. Booze and drugs are the means to an end for most of these boys, the drugs becoming both their release and often the only available profit center. The gun became the standard symbol of manlyhood and power for many. These boys understand that their mothers "get paid" from government, a government which takes the money from others to give to their mothers. Men and boys, however, cannot qualify for welfare. They cannot "get paid." So one should not feel too surprised when many of these feral boys decide to "take" the money and goods they want from others. In their minds, all they have done is to eliminate government from the process. Before federal government intervention there were poor people. Just not so many. And there were single parent families. But not many. Back then, strangers could walk through poor neighborhoods. And, although a stranger might be chided for one reason or another, they seldom needed to fear for their life. Before federal government intervention, all boys and girls of all colors and nationalities acted exactly the same to all adults: polite. No child back then swore at a teacher. No child threatened a teacher. And every child was expected to learn to read, write and do mathematics. Back then, children were not asked if they were having a problem. They were told to do the work. Most of them did. And many of them prospered. Many of the poor children who grew up before federal government intervention are now starting to retire. Ninety percent have never robbed anyone, never had reason to shoot or stab anyone and have lived productive lives. And because they were productive members of society, they will retire as middle class citizens of society, in relative comfort. The numbers are nearly opposite for the inner city children of the Great Society programs. Many of these inner city children will never be able to retire. That is because one must first be able to speak, read and write properly before acquiring a decent job, and the new system of education robbed them of that. Few of this group will return to school to learn the necessary skills, because they lack the discipline necessary to plan ahead. The welfare culture of the Great Society has robbed them of all role models. They cannot be expected to plan a course for acceptance into the mainstream of society for which they know absolutely nothing about. Clearly, changes are needed. But, they shall not come. Not yet, anyway. This week, Clinton is expected to propose even more additions to the "Great Society" social programs. And again, millions of Americans will be awaiting more free goods and services from the federal government. The unexpected consequences will continue to be devastating. NO RESIGNATION IMMINENT A piece of interesting news was offered to Heads Up Friday. And, because it is verified from two separate people "really" in the know, and another who should be, we'll use it. It seems that some Democrats in Washington feel that Clinton may resign within 48 hours of Monica Lewinsky giving her deposition in the Jones case. But, only "if" she tells the truth. If she sticks to her story, all bets are off. She may get charged with something later, but if she sticks to her story, Clinton will be safe for a while. Then there's the problem of the craven national press. The press, as we were told (and knew anyway), are covering their own backsides in selectively breaking this story. First, they have been totally negligent in reporting the Clintons' misdeeds. And second, there are certain members of the White House press corps who themselves have had an affair with Bill Clinton. The national press corps most certainly does not want that information to come out. And, for the moment, neither does the Clinton White House. Anyway, so the story goes from the Democrats I spoke with Friday, the Jones legal team found a number of women who Clinton has sexually abused in the White House. At least three were, like Monica Lewinsky, young interns at the time. Linda Tripp is cooperating with Starr's investigators. If Monica Lewinsky also cooperates, and they verify each others stories, at least a few high ranking Washington Democrats think the Clinton presidency is over. Few fear that the looming perjury charge against Lewinsky will get very far. Still, the threat of a charge is useful as a trick and device by the prosecutors. However, a charge of the suborning of perjury by the President of the United States is another matter altogether. If that is proven, sparks will fly; immediately. Worse (to the Democrats), these two women have quite a lot of first-hand knowledge of the inner workings of the White House -- information that Kenneth Starr desperately wants. Therefore, if Lewinsky accepts total immunity, which Starr is expected to offer, she will be expected to tell all. So will Linda Tripp. If that happens, it is feared that Gore will be in trouble too. However, it will take Starr months to do anything, and his investigation will be completely masked by a cloak of secrecy. That means that Bill and Hillary stay in Washington for a few more months. Some Democrats want that to happen. They want Clinton out, but not until next year, after the election. That gives Gore the Presidency for two years, and enables him to run for two terms on his own. Rep. Bob Barr's impeachment resolution is not a problem with the Democrats. Henry Hyde, House Judiciary Committee Chairman, will probably never let it come up for discussion. The problem lies in the House Rules Committee. Rules Committee Chairman Gerald Soloman could allow the impeachment bill/resolution to come out for open discussion on the floor of the House just about any time he wishes. We would bet that he's considering it. . . . So, it seems, the Clintons have few friends left in Washington (except for a few in the press). But, there are quite a number of people within the Beltway who have a vested interest in making sure he stays in office at least one more year. The oppressive, Fascist (Hillary) side of the White House is putting an attack team together to publicly discredit Starr, Tripp and Lewinsky this weekend. Hillary's protecting her power-base, so look for them to be brutal. The few Hillary will be able to line up to help will probably be the most vicious in the corrupt pack of pit-bull disinformation artists. So, look for more lies. Our opinion is that we should wait (and hope) for Starr. That investigation can nail Gore too. Because, if Clinton goes, so too goes the Starr investigation. Then we go from the totally dishonorable to the totally stupid for president. Either way, it's bad for the country. STATE OF THE UNION REPORT POSTED "The State of the Union, 1998 -- A view from the foothills of Appalachia" is available on the Internet. The text may be found at two sites: http://www.netcom.com/~feustel and, http://www.jollytax.org/state98.htm Anyone interested in a no-holds-barred report on how the federal government was able to usurp our unalienable and Constitutional rights may want to take the time to read this report. Consider the State of the Union report as a companion piece to the Heads Up newsletter. The report is also available in Word for Windows format for those who wish to make copies. All we ask is that you respect the copyright. -- End -- [------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------] - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel! ***** - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- An _EFFECTIVE_ | Insured | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no weapon in every | by COLT; | -- Max Plank | weapon sell his hand = Freedom | DIAL | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a on every side! | 1911-A1. | word. -- The Bible | sword.--Jesus Christ - ----------------+----------+--------------------------+--------------------- - - ------------------------------ End of roc-digest V2 #52 ************************